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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-12-01

---Logopened Wed Dec 01 00:00:06 2010
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01:01<k-man>do i want web server ssl/tls certificates from startssl for postfix?
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01:05<dondelelcaro>k-man: you can use them, sure.
01:07<k-man>how do i make a private key certificate request?
01:10<jm_>you can find shitloads of how-to solutions for that on the net, i.e.
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01:25<huasen>i can search a package in, but, i have to download the deb file and installed it on another pc without a network, where can i find the deb file?
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01:28<huasen>oh. i got it, from the architecture link.
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02:43<pabs>anyone know how to get rsync to print the files that it will delete instead of deleting them?
02:44<chealer>pabs: no, but do you know grsync?
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02:45<the-dude>grsync <3
02:46<zy>pabs: option -n ?
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04:36<mjt>is there an application that's able to run N "jobs" in parallel from a set of jobs to do, and spawn next job from the set when next job completes?
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04:37<mjt>like, lots of files to compress, run as many compressors (each for a single file) as there are CPU cores available for example.
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04:52<themill>mjt: xargs has a -P option.
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04:53<mjt>aha. I remember seeing something like that.
04:54<mjt>thanks themill !
04:54<themill>no worries
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04:55<mjt>find dir-to-compress -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 -P8 gzip
04:55<mjt>for 8 cores
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04:56<themill>,info pigz --release sid
04:56<judd>Package pigz (utils, extra) in sid/i386: Parallel Implementation of GZip. Version: 2.1.6-1; Size: 27.8k; Installed: 108k; Homepage:
04:56<mjt>i know pigz
04:56<themill>ok. just checking
04:56<mjt>for some reason it's quite alot slower than parallel gzips
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04:57<mjt>and not all the world is gzip, too :)
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04:57<mjt>right now i'm pushing a file to a lot of remote destinaitons - want to start not more than 10 parallel transfers, and each destination differs in bandwidth
04:58<mjt>(when doing more local link is saturated)
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05:53<EmleyMoor>Is t38modem for squeeze compiled against OPAL for SIP support? If not, can it be rebuilt so fairly easily?
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06:54<buffoon_work>hi! I want to route 2 subnets (without nat) through a debian machine... shouldn't it be enough to just do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"?
06:57<cthuluh>how would the clients know where to send the packets?
06:58<cthuluh>static configuration, dhcp?
06:58<cthuluh>the clients need a route to the other subnets
06:58<buffoon_work>cthuluh, well, at the moment they are configured manually and the debian box is the default gateway
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07:00<cthuluh>but it "doesn't work", right?
07:00<buffoon_work>but I'm able to ping the gateway's other interface but it seems blocking packets to the hosts in the other network
07:00<cthuluh>see your iptables settings (the FORWARD chain)
07:01<buffoon_work>oh, i think the problem is the route back...
07:01<cthuluh>one problem could also be that you didn't actually give the right netmask to your machines
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07:02<buffoon_work>no, that should be no problem... but i have to add the gateway to both networks so that the other hosts can access them too...
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07:09<buffoon_work>cthuluh, yes, my fault... the route back was the problem... routing on the debian box worked great... thx
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07:36<mjt>i'm about to read glibc source.. anyone know offhand if it's possible to split /etc/fstab line to multiple lines, ie if line continuation is supported there in one or another way?
07:37<eagles0513875>hey guys any mysql devs in here
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07:43<petemc>mjt: ive had some fairly long lines in fstab without issues
07:43<mjt>i know i can use long lines there
07:44<mjt>i wanted to split them for readability
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07:44<mjt>browsing getmntent(3) source now... ;)
07:44<petemc>i havent tried it, but \ would probably work
07:45<petemc>you're obviously not looking for speculation tho..
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07:46<@Ganneff>i dont think it can go multiline
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07:50<mjt>so.. it just does fgets()
07:51<mjt>and searches for \n
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07:51<mjt>ie, no multiline.
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07:52<truth>hi guys
07:52<mjt>misc/mntent_r.c, __getmntent_r()
07:52<truth>Are someone here, that have a short time for me?
07:52<truth>i need urgent some help, because im standing on a problem
07:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:53<truth>i make a script, that writes to a file ( echo $1 >> /x/y/file.txt)
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07:53<truth>now i have make an xinetd listener that run this script
07:53<truth>but how can i pass the data?
07:54*Numb3r GOALLLL
07:54<truth>with server_args = $1 it writes $1 to my file.txt
07:54<mjt>it's hardly an emergency :)
07:54*Numb3r indonesian 1 VS malaysia 1 ... GOALLLLLL
07:54<bremner>homework emergency?
07:54<truth>no, GPRS Tracking for Scooldrivers
07:54<truth>must run this evening for showing the presentation
07:54<themill>Numb3r: wrong channel. Perhaps you wanted #moocows.
07:55<mjt>truth: you have quite a lot of stuff to read about shell first ;)
07:55<truth>you are funny, all is working but not passing the argument from my GPS Tracker over Port 2710 ...
07:56<truth>i have make it before with netcat it works, but netcat cant be run in the background
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08:00<truth>thanks anyway for your answers, even if it was not what i want ...
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08:01<classical>#1 SMP Thu Sep 16 22:16:19 UTC 2010 what does SMP means ?
08:01<mjt>symmetric multi processor
08:01<mettao87>hi guys, I just installed debian testing. Now I want to install alsa driver. I am trying to follow this procedure: but after ./configure there is a problem: What can I do? thank you.
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08:02<mjt>mettao87: but _why_ are you installing it this way?
08:03<mettao87>mjt: because I found this way and I don't know any other way. Can you suggest me another one?
08:03<mjt>mettao87: what sound device do you have which isn't supported by debian out of the box?
08:03<zy>truth: why did you mean when you said nc can not run in bg? As I understand everything can.
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08:04<mettao87>mjt: I have a problem whit my microphone in laptop asus a6va
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08:05<cahoot>and you know that problem is fixed in a 'newer' alsa?
08:05*Numb3r Goalll indonesian
08:05<mettao87>cahoot: I'm not sure.
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08:06*Numb3r indonesian 2 VS malaysia 1
08:06<mjt>.ignore Numb3r
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08:06<cahoot>mettao87: what's the pciid of the device? lspci -nn would tell
08:06<zy>truth: maybe you want option -k of netcat
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08:09<mjt>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 04)
08:09<mjt>that's supported in stock kernel for a veeeeeeery long time
08:09<mettao87>so, it should function?
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08:09<mjt>unless its broken somehow
08:11<cahoot>mettao87: runa alsamixer and enaböe capture
08:12<mettao87>cahoot: in the mixer there are 3 capture devices and 1 digital. which on do I have to enable?
08:13<cahoot>mettao87: trial-and-error I'd say
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08:14<mettao87>cahoot: ok.. I tried the first one and it function. I think that the new Testing installation solved the problem. Maybe I broke something in the old installation.
08:15<mettao87>Thanks a lot.
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08:16<mjt>it were supported in lenny the same way
08:16<mettao87>now, I have another question: I'd like to use my computer for audio recording with a firewire card. My laptot has a 4pin firewire input. How can I check the firewire card/port is installed and function properly? thank you.
08:17<mjt>and i guess in etch too ;)
08:17<cahoot>connect the device and check dmesg for aknowledgement?
08:21<mettao87>I don't have the card now. I just ask if I can check the laptop's firewire card before using the recording device.
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08:23<cahoot>maybe this can be of some use then
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08:26<mettao87>ok, I know ffado. I think I'll wait the firewire device and than start to configure it. Thank you. Bye
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08:41<themill>!ubuntu-es VIVELAVIDAWAPAA
08:41<dpkg>VIVELAVIDAWAPAA: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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08:46<eagles0513875>themill: any mysql devs around in here the debian-mysql channel is dead and i never get a response on the mailing list
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08:47<tnks>so anyone gotten a Kindle to USB mount to a debian system?
08:47<tnks>udev isn't showing a new device.
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08:48<tnks>I figured if it was possible someone on this channel knew the trick.
08:48<tnks>Google doesn't have many answers, as far as I could tell.
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08:59<jm_>tnks: hmm I don't think I have tried it yet, but it worked OK in windows
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08:59<tnks>jm_: yeah, but that's no good.
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09:00<jm_>tnks: i'll try it
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09:00<tnks>I installed calibre, and it's dialog box has some crap about sending PDFs over email.
09:00<tnks>that's pretty ghetto.
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09:29<stinkyfax>!pl sword
09:29<stinkyfax>wrong chat :D
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10:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:46<saintfollower>hi all
10:47<saintfollower>im using ubuntu and i want to try debian. But im not sure how to go about it, I see sooo many cds and i dont know if i have to down load them all
10:47<bremner>saintfollower: you almost certainly want netinstall
10:47<AMD1212>if you have fast internet access use the netinstall
10:48<saintfollower>whats that?
10:48<bremner>one of the CDs
10:48<bremner>a small one
10:48<saintfollower>so all i need is to download one cd?
10:48<dpkg>hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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10:49<AMD1212>this bot rocks (-;
10:49<saintfollower>and i have an intel computer, which link i download?
10:50<AMD1212>what cpu?
10:50<AMD1212>is it 64bit compatible?
10:50<AMD1212>and how much memory do you want to use?
10:50<saintfollower>it is, but i dont like 64 bit stuff
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10:50<babilen>use i386 then (amd64 for 64bit)
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10:51<saintfollower>amd64 is for 64 amd or intel based?
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10:51<AMD1212>for both
10:51<themill>saintfollower: both (if you paid less than $10k for it)
10:51<AMD1212>never seen a private person with a itanium^^
10:52<saintfollower>so if i was to download all the cds that would include all of the software, is that it?
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10:53<saintfollower>ok, now i have a second question, can i install this next to ubuntu? dualboot?
10:54<saintfollower>how do i install software in debian, sameway as ubuntu?
10:55<babilen>hmm, recommend squeeze or lenny?
10:56*babilen favours lenny in this case :)
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10:56<AMD1212>i would take squeeze (-;
10:56<f0rk>1 more vote for squeeze
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10:57<AMD1212>will be stable very soon
10:57<AMD1212>soo, why not install it now
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10:59<bremner>well, the installer is still in beta. so, the tradeoff is an old installer versus a too new one.
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11:00<saintfollower>question, in harddisk question:
11:00<bremner>you can always upgrade a lenny installation to squeeze
11:00<saintfollower>set up LVM?
11:00<grummund>Is "cloc" (count lines of code) available as a package for lenny?
11:00<babilen>!tell grummund about apt-file
11:01<bremner>grummund: apt-cache search cloc
11:01<AMD1212>do you plan to extend the volumes saintfollower?
11:01<saintfollower>im installing in VM for now
11:01<babilen>grummund: apt-file search -x "bin/cloc$"
11:01*grummund already searched... the name 'cloc' doesn't help much
11:01<babilen>,versions cloc
11:02<judd>Package cloc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.09-1; sid: 1.53-1
11:02<bremner>grummund: that is the name of the package
11:02<bremner>so, not in lenny
11:02<grummund>hmm, ok. thanks
11:02<babilen>!tell grummund about ssb
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11:31<Ninj>Good evening guys
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11:31<F3RR1S>Ninj good morning!
11:32<Ninj>hum, we're far i guess :) France here
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11:32<F3RR1S>USA here... west coast
11:32<Ninj>Im running into a big trouble with a hosted Debian, and would really need help
11:32<Ninj>so, good morning indeed :)
11:32<babilen>Ninj: What is the problem?
11:34<Ninj>I explain, in short, my problem: I wanted to install ncftp, but the DPKG version did not support Breaks. I found a solution: forcing the installation of new DPKG. But it got incompatible with my libc6 version. I tried some install tip from a forum's user, and i ended up with a really messed up install running.
11:34<Ninj>This is a server, hosted by OVH (famous in France)
11:34<Ninj>it's on Debian etch
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11:34<Ninj>I'm not the one who installed it, I took the hand on it bac 2 months ago
11:35<troulouliou>Ninj: did you remove the package ?
11:35<troulouliou>Ninj: what install tips ?
11:35<babilen>Ninj: I would suggest upgrading your server to lenny first. But please tell us what you have done ...
11:35<Ninj>it's worst than that, after trying to reinstall my good libc6 (which was corrupted), i now have nothing working
11:35<babilen>Ninj: I refer to "some install tips from a forum's user"
11:36<troulouliou>Ninj: and pastebin your preferences / source.list
11:36<babilen>Ninj: Can you access the system?
11:36<Ninj>ok, you can already take a look at this forum thread, it's in french but you have many quotes of what i did :
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11:37<Ninj>i can't access the system anymore, but it's running (the website on it is running)
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11:37<Ninj>ftp and ssh are down
11:37<@Ganneff>then ask your hoster to reinstall your system and then go restore your backup
11:37<babilen>Ninj: And I guess that you do not have physical access to it?
11:37<Ninj>OVH provides an access to emergency console
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11:39<babilen>Ninj: I would follow Ganneff's advise and upgrade your system to *lenny* afterwards. You can find details on the procedure in Lenny's release notes.
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11:39<Ninj>i will, for sure
11:40<Ninj>but when i gain back access to the server :)
11:40<babilen>Ninj: /etc/debian_version → lenny / sid is not a great idea
11:40<Ninj>there was no backup in place, i made somes, but not recently enough
11:40<Ninj>i count on the emergency console to at least backup everything
11:40<Ninj>but all i need for the moment is to restore the right libc6 version
11:41<@Ganneff>have them reboot it in a rescue system
11:41<@Ganneff>backup from there, dont need the system working then
11:41<Ninj>if you refer to the forum thread i paste here, you can see that the last command i did was to try to restore the libc6
11:41<Ninj>wrong idea i guess, since i got everything down at that moment
11:42<@Ganneff>dpkg-deb -x libc6_2.11.2-7_i386.deb .
11:42<@Ganneff>whoever thinks of this as a valid command DESERVES great pain.
11:43<@Ganneff>now, go and have them reboot it into a rescue system with temporary access for you and backup from there, then reinstall
11:43<@Ganneff>thats the least painful way out
11:43<@Ganneff>from the set of commands you seem to have issued anything else will just be worse
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11:45<Ninj>it hurts to face the truth :)
11:45<Ninj>there's nothing i can do to revert the evil libc6 command ?
11:46<Ninj>ill try to see how to reboot in backup mode
11:46<Ninj>rescue* i meant
11:47<Ninj>the only real problem is this last command, the rest was just making it or better, or changed nothing
11:48<OsirisX>god of debian - how do I get my samba server to be discovered by windows 7 and shown in network devices (not network map - I installed lltd protocol and this now works)
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11:54<troulouliou>OsirisX : try wins support = yes ; name resolve order = bcast host lmhosts wins
11:54<troulouliou>at least it should be a good start
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11:56<OsirisX>troulouliou - ok I was hoping to disable netbios all together, but I will try that
11:57<troulouliou>OsiriX: to be discovered you need to enable the broadcast in Samba ; and enable it in your firewall too
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12:01<Ninj>im back guys, sorry, Wifi sucks
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12:03<Ninj>sorry to insist, but is it really impossible to repair the libc6 problem? form there i would get dpkg woring again i guess
12:04<troulouliou>Ninj: is apt-get working ?
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12:05<troulouliou>if yes , apt-get remove ncftp ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
12:05<Ninj>since the dpkg-deb -i libc6 commande, everything is down, nothing's working at all, i can't even connect in SSH, but i will have a rescue access
12:05<troulouliou>rescue access through a java console with a recue dedicated card ?
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12:07<jhutchins_lt>Ninj: Do you have something besides etch in your sources?
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12:09<Ninj>yes unfortunately it was "unstable"
12:09<Ninj>i didnt set that, i got the server like that :)
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12:10<troulouliou>Ninj: start by rebooting the server through your rescue card
12:10<Ninj>im trying to find this option :)
12:11<Ninj>im calling at their service for that
12:11<jhutchins_lt>Ninj: I think a reinstall is probably your only choice at this point. Trying anything else is just going to waste time.
12:11<troulouliou>Ovh do provide a java console AFAIK with an embeded Terminal server that do even show the bios boot messages
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12:12<Ninj>im afraid you're right jhutchins_lt
12:12<Ninj>yes troulouliou but can't find it so i call
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12:17<Ninj>ok, i got access to the rescue mode, thank you guys, i stay here because i may have some questions ;)
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12:18<babilen>!things to backup
12:18<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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12:20<Ninj>thanks, that's a good start
12:20<Ninj>the question is... where will i backup all that? :) 10GB
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12:22<jhutchins_lt>Ninj: I would say skip the system files - you're going to re-install those anyway. /home and /etc.
12:22<Ninj>i'm going to install a fresh new Debian, reconfigure the httpd, mysqld, ftpd... so do i really need to backup all this stuff? it's basically just a web server, with no special mutant powers
12:23<babilen>Ninj: And take care you have a backup of important data in /var. Databases come to mind for example …
12:23<Ninj>not skippig /home because the previous sysadmin has put a lot of stuff there, but /etc for sure
12:23<Ninj>DB is still available through PMA, ill back it up
12:23<babilen>Ninj: /etc would contain configuration of all services that were/are running on the server. You might want to backup the database files as well.
12:24<babilen>pma = positive mental attitude?
12:24<babilen>or persistent migraine aura?
12:26<Ninj>PhpMyAdmin sorry ;)
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12:28<Ninj>i thing im going to backup the whole /, and i'll sort it later when ill need it :)
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12:31<babilen>Ninj: You definitely don't want to backup /dev , /proc , /sys and probably don't want to backup /usr /lib /bin /sbin and /mnt
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12:32<Ninj>indeed :)
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12:34<Ninj>im wondering, is it possible to make a very selective backup so that after my fresh Debian install, i can quickly get the server back as it was, by loading the whole backup? or is it just a dream?
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12:50<Ninj>to go on with my problem, where are the mysql files stored, and can i just save/restore them lie that on a fresh install?
12:52<koollman>Ninj: so... let's accept that you will backup everything you need. How will you restore it ? over a fresh debian install ? on an empty disk (perhaps from a rescue system, like a livecd or netboot image) ?
12:52<koollman>Ninj: the second option is a bit easier if you can do it. backup everything, and restore everything :)
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12:53<koollman>Ninj: the first option means you will have to choose carefully how you restore everything on top of a running system without breaking anything
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12:54<Ninj>so, here is the plan (but it may not be the best). since i definitely need to reinstall linux (broken libc6), i need to : 1. bacup everything needed; 2. reinstall linux automaticcaly (the server hosting company has an option for that); 3. restore as much as posisble from the backup to avoid reinstalling everthing
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12:56<retrospectacus>Ninj: re: mysql, it's ~mysql aka /var/lib/mysql and snapshotting it is an OK way to backup mysql, but you have to stop the mysql service first
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12:57<Ninj>dont worry, everything will be stopped, since my server is down and i access it through a rescue console :)
12:57<retrospectacus>the alternative is to use mysqldump which is better because you don't have to stop the service, and it will import into a different mysql version more reliably
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12:58<babilen>Ninj: Which version of MySQL is currently running on your frankenserver?
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13:00<babilen>Ninj: I would strongly recommend to let them install *Lenny* and not Etch. Etch comes with MySQL 5.0.32 and Lenny with 5.0.51 -- I am not absolutely sure that a snapshot of /var/lib/mysql type of backup will work with these versions, but I would think that it is quite likely.
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13:02<Ninj>but i have an etch currently
13:03<Ninj>ill tell you about the mysql version wait
13:04<Ninj>something is odd, i have to choices for reinstalling the system: "simple system" or "ready out-of-the-box system". in the first one there are Debian dists, in the second one there are Ubuntu dists
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13:05<babilen>Ninj: Ok, what services are running and configured on your server?
13:05<MeglaW>wrong window
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13:06<Ninj>mostly apache 2, ftp but i don't know which one, mysql, openssh...
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13:06<Ninj>i have no more access to it so it's hard to remember, since i don't know this server well
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13:09<Ninj>babilen : do i forget anything obvious?
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13:18<debugdotcom>you there
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13:18<Ninj>i am
13:18<debugdotcom>good to know
13:18<debugdotcom>this is for Debian
13:19<Ninj>this channel ?
13:19<debugdotcom>this channel
13:19<Ninj>it is :)
13:19<debugdotcom>good to know
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13:19<debugdotcom>you use Debian
13:19<Ninj>feel free to ask anything, someone will probably be able to help you
13:19<Ninj>i do use Debian, but im not a specialist
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13:20<debugdotcom>I started with Etch
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13:21<debugdotcom>hello and1bm
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13:22<babilen>debugdotcom: Do you actually have a Debian related question?
13:22<bremner>debugdotcom, Ninj: this is not really a chat channel. Feel free to chat in #debian-offtopic
13:22<debugdotcom>not really babilen
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13:23<Ninj>bremner : soory do i look like chating? :)
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13:23<babilen>Ninj: Ok, I would suggest to backup your configuration (i.e. /etc) and important data. Let them install Lenny and take it from there. Don't just dump your old configuration to /etc though, but migrate important pieces until it is running again. Do you also have a lot of user accounts
13:23<debugdotcom>what is bremner?
13:24<babilen>Ninj: Probably ENICK
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13:24<bremner>it takes two to tango, as they say.
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13:25<debugdotcom>bremner: three is one real dance
13:25<DemiGodTod>hey guys. I have a samba share and was wondering if there was a way for people to knowingly change permissions from read to write when they need to put files in a directory but read access at all other times?
13:26<babilen>DemiGodTod: #samba over at FreeNode might know much more about samba than we do.
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13:27<Ninj>babilen: i have at least 5 user accounts created by hand yes
13:28<babilen>Ninj: Make sure to backup their data as well and recreate the accounts on the new system.
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13:28<Ninj>you mean /home?
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13:29<Ninj>ill pray one hour now, then start the process...
13:29<Ninj>thank you for help so far, ill be back :)
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13:29<babilen>no point in praying -- rather read rsyncs / tar manpages
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13:34<debugdotcom>what, no conversing
13:34<debugdotcom>no talk of Ubunto
13:34<debugdotcom>or Mint
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13:35<Edo_>one question pls
13:35<Edo_>i have problem with debian net install
13:35<Edo_>i downloaded all packages with my net install cd
13:36<Edo_>retrieving file 803 of 803
13:36<Edo_>and stoped
13:36<Edo_>everything stoped
13:37<Edo_>i tried another mirrror but is stil the same thing
13:38<debugdotcom>Edo_ : I use the minimal net install disk
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13:38<debugdotcom>it is good
13:38<Edo_>i used
13:38<Edo_>minimall cd
13:38<debugdotcom>just intall minimum, and the play on the command line
13:38<Edo_>i cannt install
13:39<Edo_>because stoped after downloaded all packages
13:39<Edo_>803 of 803
13:39<debugdotcom>re-install and go for basic
13:39<babilen>Edo_: Do you have some error on one of the other consoles?
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13:41<debugdotcom>Edo_ just install the standard, say "no" to desktop or any other installation
13:41<babilen>No logs at all?
13:41<Edo_>i install every thime desktop
13:41<Edo_>and workes
13:42<Edo_>why not now ?
13:42<debugdotcom>just install standard
13:42<debugdotcom>no desktop
13:42<debugdotcom>trust me
13:42<Edo_>are you sure
13:42<debugdotcom>then from the command line.....go for it
13:42<Edo_>i i will try
13:42<debugdotcom>apt-get this
13:42<babilen>Edo_: You might indeed want to consider a minimal system as it is very easy to install X and Gnome later on. (And you can choose from much saner meta-packages) which Debian version is this?
13:43<debugdotcom>apt-get that
13:43<Edo_>lenny 5.907
13:43<babilen>Edo_: What kind of machine do you install this on? What is the purpose of that machine?
13:43<Edo_>machine is ok
13:44<Edo_>pentium 4
13:44<Edo_>512 mb ram
13:44<Edo_>grafic card ati radeon 9550
13:44<Edo_>2.8 ghz
13:44<Edo_>workes everythime
13:44<babilen>I don't mean that -- rather: laptop/desktop for personal use versus database server
13:44<Edo_>for personal use
13:45<debugdotcom>install minimum
13:45<babilen>In that case you could also try to install Squeeze which is the next major version of Debian that is going to be released. The installer is currently beta, but Debian asks users to try it and provide feedback.
13:46<babilen>!install squeeze
13:46<dpkg>Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high, ask me about <today>. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>.
13:46<debugdotcom>then apt-get install gnome-core xorg
13:46<babilen>Edo_: And you have no logs at all? Nothing that indicates an error?
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13:46<Edo_>i dont like squeze
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13:47<babilen>What don't you like about it?
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13:47<Edo_>beacuse i have wti 9550 old card
13:47<Edo_>and i cannt run in squeze my ati card
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13:47<babilen>Is it not supported by radeon?
13:48<Torsten_W>it is supportet
13:48<Edo_>no beacuse is old
13:48<Torsten_W>it's not supportet by fglrx
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13:48<Torsten_W>radeon is nice on this card
13:48<Edo_>i am sure
13:48<Torsten_W>you are wrong!
13:48<Edo_>ati 9550
13:49<Edo_>passt to old kernel of debian lenny
13:49<Torsten_W>it's supportet by radeon since ages
13:49<babilen>Edo_: It looks as if that card is supported by the "radeon" driver. Support has been dropped from the proprietary fglrx driver though
13:49<Torsten_W>for squeeze, you need firmware-linux-nonfree
13:50<babilen>Edo_: Just make sure you install xserver-xorg-video-radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree for it to work.
13:50<Edo_>yes but i need 3d with my card
13:50<babilen>And libgl1-mesa-dri if you want 3D acceleration
13:51<Edo_>ok i will tried
13:52<Edo_>thanks i wil try that
13:52<Edo_>i tried but the driver for ati web site
13:52<Edo_>from ato web site
13:53<Edo_>and this driver dont workes
13:53<babilen>You don't need that. Just install xserver-xorg-video-radeon, firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri
13:53<babilen>It would be quite a mistake to rely on an out-of-date and unsupported driver
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13:54<babilen>You are welcome. Good luck. I would still recommend to follow debugdotcom's advice and start with a minimal system.
13:55<Edo_>thanks friends !:)
13:55<babilen>!tell Edo_ about install x
13:55<babilen>!tell Edo_ about xorg config squeeze
13:55<babilen>!tell Edo_ about install gnome
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13:56<babilen>Edo_: That should summarise the most important steps after the initial install. You might also want to install a command line irc client like irssi and come here if you run into problems.
13:57<babilen>Edo_: I would try an empty xorg.conf first though, because Xorg is quite good in figuring out its configuration these days.
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13:58<babilen>Edo_: My approach is to install a very minimal system and subsequently add packages/program as the need arises. One corollary of that is that I only install the "gnome-core" meta-package and add other packages one by one later on.
14:01<debugdotcom>thank you babilen
14:02<debugdotcom>Edo_ : go minimum
14:02<debugdotcom>Debian is awesome from the command line
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14:23<Ninj>babilen: im in rescue mode in SSH (netboot) there's a FTP client available, and i have a FTP server adress for backup, how would you advise me to proceed simply to backup now?
14:24<debugdotcom>Ninj : babilen left
14:24<Ninj>ahhhh yes
14:24<Ninj>i was checing it :)
14:24<Ninj>but didn't see
14:24<debugdotcom>and I cannot help you
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14:25<Ninj>ok, so, anyone, how to simply backup the FS? i've mounted / and /home
14:25<Ninj>np debugdotcom
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14:35<retrospectacus>Ninj: rsync
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14:37<debugdotcom>retrospectacus : is not rsync to do more with Gentoo?
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14:37<retrospectacus>actually I think rsync doesn't do ftp. Never mind
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14:38<retrospectacus>debugdotcom, not that I know of. I use it all the time on debian
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14:38<debugdotcom>retrospectacus : really
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14:39<retrospectacus>debugdotcom: truly
14:39<debugdotcom>retrospectacus : I have just tried.......command not found
14:40<retrospectacus>that should help
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14:42<debugdotcom>retrospectacus :ah...apt-get install rsync ........what do ya know!
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14:45<retrospectacus>anyways, Ninj is trying to backup a system to FTP - rsync won't help.
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14:47<debugdotcom>I never had a need for backups ......... in Dos, Windows, Mac OS .......or anything
14:47<debugdotcom>to me, a backup is sticking in a floppy disk
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14:49<retrospectacus>they're kind of necessary if you have servers handling thousands of peoples' email and websites
14:49<cahoot>nice to have no valuable data
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14:49<amphi>it would be great
14:50<amphi>the paperless and dataless office
14:50<cahoot>...when I think about it I think the earth wouldn't stop if I lost mine though
14:51<amphi>cahoot: you are too modest
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14:51<cahoot>my only fault
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14:52<debugdotcom>amphi : perhaps his other fault is that he has a secret Windows box in the basement
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14:54<retrospectacus>is there a way to send a message to the dmesg thing?
14:54<retrospectacus>or, a way to get useful timestamp from dmesg
14:54<retrospectacus>[9122352.132613] means nothing to me
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14:56<retrospectacus>if it was a unix timestamp I wouldn't have a problem
14:56<f0rk>it is time since boot, no?
14:57<retrospectacus>9122352 is only April 16 1970
14:57<retrospectacus>f0rk: i believe it is, but this is still not useful
14:57<f0rk>retrospectacus: cat /proc/uptime
14:58<f0rk>the dmesg time
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15:00<retrospectacus>f0rk: still no good.
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15:00<retrospectacus>the dmesg time is much larger than the /proc/uptime number
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15:01<f0rk>retrospectacus: hrm. I don't have that problem. the last entries in my dmesg are before
15:02<f0rk>the /proc/uptime time
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15:06<hpvincent>hi all, I find that when I have swap enabled, kswapd takes lot of CPU , and the system almost halt to a crawl, altough I have still plenty of free memory
15:06<hpvincent>with this kernel vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-openvz-686
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15:08<hpvincent>also swapoff takes all the CPU despite being very slow (like 0.5MB / s)
15:08<retrospectacus>f0rk: little continuation here: still confused :(
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15:13<f0rk>sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
15:13<f0rk>sudo sh -c 'echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger'
15:13<f0rk>| tail
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15:14<f0rk>what is the time stamp on that'
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15:16<Ninj>retrospectacus: i will use ftp indeed, im not sure what rsync does :) but my question was a bit different: now that all this stuff is set, how do i backup, let's say "/home"? i don't want to have tar files on my backup since i will need file-by-file handling for restoration
15:16<retrospectacus>f0rk: appears to have crashed the machine
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15:18<f0rk>I did that on like 5 machines here, no ill affects
15:18<f0rk>also, all of them had timestamps that were fine
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15:19<retrospectacus>I echoed blah > /proc/sysrq-trigger and lost connection. can't ping
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15:20<Ninj>anyone here: how to backup a whole tree of my filesystem through FTP without taring? :)
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15:21<streuner__>Ninj: using backuppc?
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15:21<Ninj>dunno that thing
15:21<Ninj>looking for it :)
15:21<streuner>dpkg, info backuppc
15:22<dpkg>backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 587 kB, Installed size: 2311 kB
15:22<retrospectacus>f0rk: perhaps blah was not the correct word?
15:23<Ninj>hum, seems to highend for me since im logged into my machine as a rescue mode
15:23<cahoot>he's in a rescue system with minimal env
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15:23<Ninj>exactly cahoot :)
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15:23<Ninj>i know i can tar the trees i need to bacup and put them by FTP
15:23<Ninj>but i hav no access to the FTP machine then so i cannot untar it there
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15:24<streuner>and what is on that machine what's that important? pron? ;-)
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15:28<streuner>if its that important, i have root-access...
15:28<f0rk>retrospectacus: no, it would send a message to dmesg about how to use /proc/sysrq-trigger
15:28<babilen>Ninj: What is stopping you from using rsync?
15:28<Ninj>on that machine, there's 7 websites + 2 web apps of a rather big company doing half of their sells on the net :) ;)
15:29<Ninj>i just arrived recently
15:29<Ninj>i saw there is no backup, nothing in fact
15:29<Ninj>a complete mess
15:29<streuner>Ninj: strange
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15:29<Ninj>and packages from two distribs were mixed
15:29<Ninj>not that strange, the previous admin was useless
15:29<Ninj>im not a pro either, but at least i need to try to get things back
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15:30<Ninj>babilen : the backup server only has ftp server
15:30<streuner>sounds like a production machine and you dont have root, its strange, IMO
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15:30<babilen>Ninj: You can't log into it with ssh?
15:31<Ninj>everythging's down, completely, i cant even start on the HDD (speaking about my server, not the bacup server)
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15:31<Ninj>the backup server is provided by OVH, my hosting provider
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15:31<Ninj>and it's ftp only (they say, but i should try)
15:32<babilen>Ninj: And you can't access the backup server via SSH?
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15:32<Ninj>i should try :)
15:32<Ninj>in 2 minutes
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15:40<retrospectacus>f0rk: did I mention this server is 6800 km drive from me? :P
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15:42<retrospectacus>luckily it's a secondary backup server and I have remote support at the datacenter
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15:44<f0rk>retrospectacus: no, you didn't. I don't know how this happened
15:45<f0rk>retrospectacus: kernel bug? I'm just clutching at straws here
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15:47<retrospectacus>f0rk: the only thing I did differently from what you said was echo blah instead of echo t, I assumed this was the message to appear in dmesg
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15:50<f0rk>retrospectacus: ah. I think the character b causes an immediate reboot
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15:51<babilen>f0rk: sysrq? if so, than yes, it does. see
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15:53<babilen>f0rk: You see that 't' and 'b' have quite a different effect ;)
15:53<f0rk>yes, I've seen that just before
15:53<f0rk>I wasn't familiar with all the commands you could send
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15:55<retrospectacus>dang. Should have read up on it I guess
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15:56<f0rk>I think we've learned a valuable lesson
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16:04<debugdotcom>f0rk :excuse me but I was away from the keyboard... I just got back .........what does RTFM mean..... like
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16:05<babilen>debugdotcom: read the {fucking,fine} manual
16:05<debugdotcom>Right This F$$$$ Minute
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16:06<debugdotcom>was not talking to you babilen
16:06<debugdotcom>was talking to f0rk
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16:08<debugdotcom> hey babilen , have you yet to read the manual on manners, or social etiquette
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16:11<babilen>debugdotcom: I am not sure what you are referring to. You might want to consider that you are talking in a public channel and that the main objective of this channel is to answer questions in the fastest way possible. Do not worry though, I will oblige and ignore future remarks from you.
16:11<debugdotcom><babilen> debugdotcom: read the {fucking,fine} manual
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16:13<hpvincent>hello, I have moved grub to a new partition, so /boot is now mounted from somwhere else. I updated my /etc/fstab, but after update-grub , it still boots the old grub
16:13<hpvincent>I also toggled the executable flag on the correct partition, so I don't understand why the bios still loads the old grub
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16:14<babilen>hpvincent: You might have to run "grub-install /dev/whatever" with whatever == sda for example
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16:16<hpvincent>babilen, yes ! exactly what I forgot
16:16<hpvincent>I thought update-grub was taking care of that, but it only update the config file apparently
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16:17<hpvincent>ok letùs reboot and see if it fixed the problem
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16:20<hpvincent>babilen, thanks, it works now
16:20<babilen>hpvincent: You are welcome. I am glad that it turned out to be so easy. :)
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16:24<hpvincent>are there any tunderbird 2 build against the newer libc available ?
16:25<babilen>hpvincent: Sounds if using tb3 is not an option, true?
16:25<hpvincent>I am having troubles with the official binary release, which uses the old libc, so I wonder if that 's caused by the old libc usage (thunderbird locks up when it fails to contact an imap server, which happen a lot for me since I am over WIFI)
16:25<hpvincent>babilen, is not :)
16:25<hpvincent>totally unusable on this small laptop with the huge imap accounts I uses
16:27<babilen>hpvincent: I am not sure about that. It might be a good idea to ask in a tb/mozilla channel or consider alternative MUAs like mutt or claws
16:27<hpvincent>I don't know claws
16:28<hpvincent>I am looking for alternative too, but was not sure where to look
16:28<cthuluh>mutt isn't much better when dealing with connections problems. at least it unlocks (after a while, though)
16:28<hpvincent>I wouldn't use a text based client,at least as main client
16:28<jhutchins_lt2>hpvincent: Might be smart to restructure your mail storage so that clients can handle it. Once they start having trouble with the size you start to loose that option.
16:28<babilen>hpvincent: claws-mail is quite fast -- and I would consider a good choice. I am happily using mutt though, but your preferences might differ.
16:29<hpvincent>jhutchins_lt2, not an option, I need these emails
16:29<jhutchins_lt2>hpvincent: I'm not saying delete them, I'm saying organize them intelligently into smaller sets.
16:29<hpvincent>and never had any problem with these big mailboxes for years, so I don"t see why it should regress
16:29*babilen strongly agrees with jhutchins_lt2
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16:30<hpvincent>sorry but it's a case of regression, it was working just fine for years
16:30<hpvincent>on much slower system, to boot
16:30<babilen>hpvincent: Try claws and see if you are happy with it. There are plenty of other MUAs to try as well ...
16:30<jhutchins_lt2>hpvincent: Take it from someone who knows, it's better to do it now than to wait until something crashes and you loose a bunch of it.
16:31<hpvincent>I have many folders already jhutchins_lt2
16:31<hpvincent>like 20
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16:32<hpvincent>beside, it's not possible to search for mails (by subject for example) without activating indexing
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16:32<hpvincent>whereas it was just working out of the box with tb2
16:32<hpvincent>to me tb3 is just a complete failure
16:33<yoshio>whomever wanted the dmesg log time converted, the human readable time is also in /var/log/kern.log . also see
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16:35<retrospectacus>yoshio: that's me! Thanks, me love you long time
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16:36<retrospectacus>yeah this is the exact logic I was doing that told me it happened next january
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16:39<yoshio>retrospectacus, do you have multiple processors - says there is no way to convert in that case
16:39<hpvincent>babilen, I see claws has vcalendar plugin to
16:39<retrospectacus>yeah dual dual-cores
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16:42<rotiluan>! list
16:42<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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16:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:44<linda>ten alguem
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16:45<hpvincent>babilen, is there an equivalent to the "search" text entry in the upper right of tb2 in claws ?
16:45<linda>nao entedi
16:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:46<linda>eu nao sei falar em ingel
16:46<linda>oi gente
16:46<linda>oi gatpo
16:46<linda>oi cat
16:47<retrospectacus>linda: habla Ingles o salte
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16:48<babilen>hpvincent: haven't used it in a long time, sorry
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16:49<hpvincent>it looks pretty nice so far babilen
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16:52<Ninj>is it possible, with my rescue mode, to boot the server normally and see what happen?
16:52<Ninj>i want to know where it stucks
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16:53<jordan___>lionel, qual a duvida?
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16:53<jordan___>linda qual a duvida
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16:54<retrospectacus>jordan___: bad timing. Ganneff's on the warpath
16:54<jordan___>retrospectacus, omg
16:55<retrospectacus>jordan___: you may be able to save yourself by asking a Debian question in English
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16:56<jordan___>I was going to help, linda
16:56<retrospectacus>maybe she went to #debian-br
16:57<jordan___>i don't doubt, I know speak Spanish and Portuguese i would help she
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16:58<jordan___>retrospectacus, no, I'm there. But okay I'll go back to work
16:58<tash>but not here pls
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17:03<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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17:17*f0rk waves
17:18<XakeR>русские есть?
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17:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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17:18<XakeR>ok sanks
17:19<mjt>does debian-russian still use koi8?
17:19<mjt>..oh yes.
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17:41<debugdotcom><Ninj> hi
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17:42<debugdotcom><debugdotcom> hello
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17:42<Ninj>do you know what that mean at my server start: "VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or uknown-block(8,1)"
17:43<Ninj>does anyone else know? :)
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17:43<debugdotcom>excuse me, but should I have said "no,dude" or " no, sis"?
17:44<debugdotcom>I am dude
17:44<Ninj>so, hum, than you dude to have answered me you cannot help
17:44<debugdotcom><Ninj> do you know what that mean at my server start: "VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or uknown-block(8,1)"
17:44<debugdotcom><debugdotcom> no
17:44<debugdotcom>just no
17:44<Ninj>no pb
17:44<Ninj>that's why im asking someone else
17:45<debugdotcom>I think Debian is personal
17:45<ompaul>debugdotcom: stop that, no will do, and in fact it would be better if you had said nothing.
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17:45<debugdotcom>ompaul : eat it
17:46<ompaul>debugdotcom: thank you kindly, no.
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17:46<debugdotcom>then shut the fuck up
17:46<debugdotcom>or is it stfu
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17:47<debugdotcom>just shut your mouth $$$$
17:47<debugdotcom>that is to say jsymc
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17:47<retrospectacus>debugdotcom, this is a SUPPORT channel. Unless you are helping someone with their Debian problem, you STFU.
17:49<debugdotcom>then ompaul , retrospectacus , needs to seek SUPPORT in some health clinic
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17:52<mjt>how does +q look like for the one who has that flag?
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17:54<ompaul>mjt: you type and it echos back: can't sent to channel
17:54<ompaul>mjt: or words to that effect
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17:54<ompaul>mjt: and you can get can't join channel and so on, all the way to server, and network
17:54<mjt>can't send to channel, right.
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17:55<cthuluh>then the person usually tries to get in touch with the op with /query, finally the op uses /ignore. always the same story 8)
17:56<ompaul>cthuluh: depends on the attitude of the person, if they start off with I have a right to abuse your channel, then they should remember IRC is not and never will be a democracy
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18:01<just-me>it never will be a dictatorship either
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18:12<k-man>if i want to do a make; sudo make install but i want to enter the password for sudo now, rather than after the first make has finished, is there some way to do that?
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18:16<jordanm>k-man: sudo -i; sudo -u $user make; make install
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18:18<retrospectacus>should probably be make && make install ..incase make failed
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18:19<k-man>sudo -i just drops me into a root shell
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18:20<k-man>but its a good approach
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18:22<k-man>how about sudo sudo -u mythtv make && make install instead
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18:27<jhutchins_lt2>k-man: If you're running debian you have to configure sudo first.
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18:28<k-man>jhutchins_lt2: further than it is already configured? sudo currently works ok for me for this user
18:28<jordanm>k-man: sudo -i; sudo -u $user make; make install; exit ?
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18:29<k-man>jordanm: as far as i can tell, "sudo -i;" drops you unto a root shell, and does not continue executing the command line
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18:30<jordanm>k-man: just drop the shell first and then run the rest of the command
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18:31<k-man>actually, you can't chain commands wih ; to be run under sudo, ie, sudo command1 ; command2 will execute command1 as root, but command2 as the normal user
18:32<k-man>sudo sh -c "command1 ; command2" is the way to chain commands for execution under sudo
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18:33<jordanm>k-man: after you have dropped the shell, you are root. sudo -u $user make; will run make as your user then "make install" will run as root as expected.
18:34<k-man>jordanm: yeah
18:34<k-man>ill try that
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18:37<jhutchins_lt>You just repeat the sudo command to chain them.
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18:37<norbert_>hi, I'm trying to record the line-in audio with recordmydesktop
18:37<norbert_>a list of all the capture devices available is
18:38<norbert_>1 and 2 say MIC and MIC2, but 0 and 3 record from my microphone
18:38<norbert_>the others give errors
18:38<norbert_>what I would like is record audio from the line-in or - even better - the system sounds
18:39<norbert_>is there any hw:x,x device that will allow me to do this?
18:39<jhutchins_lt>norbert_: You may be able to use pulseaudio for this.
18:41<norbert_>thanks, I'll try
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19:10<Sorinan>My driver chipset (ALC892) only have support beggining on 2.6.33, but Squeeze is on 2.6.32. What's the best approach to solve that? Compile manually a new kernel? Or there's a backport?
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19:16<babilen>Sorinan: Compile 2.6.36 yourself (/msg dpkg make-kpkg) or install it from experimental -- Which version of Debian are you using?
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19:38<abrotman>Sorinan: you might want to check the squeeze kernel anyway, it may have been backported
19:39<Sorinan>abrotman, I already did (I'm on squeeze right now), it wasn't
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19:40<Ninj>do you know which version of Debian was built around the kernel 2.6.21?
19:40<Sorinan>as babilen said, I will compile a vanilla kernel, importing the 2.6.32 debian's config
19:41<abrotman>Ninj: etch has a .18, lenny a .26
19:41<Ninj>so, 21 is between those two?
19:41<abrotman>Ninj: FWIW, etch is no longer supported
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19:42<Ninj>i know, but just trying to save my life and need to know exactly what is the Debian here (reports are wrong)
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19:43<retrospectacus>2.6.21 would be an upgraded etch
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19:46<Ninj>alright, then, unfortunately, i already tried solutions for etch :(
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19:46<Ninj>thank you anyway ;)
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19:54<tempakul>Hallo everybody!
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19:57<tempakul>I have error messages with apt-get
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20:06<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
20:06<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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20:07<tempakul>Hallo everybody!
20:08<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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20:09<retrospectacus>!tell tempakul -about ask
20:10<tempakul>Hallo everybody!
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20:11<Ninj>anyone: when i have a backup of a server, how to extract cron config from it?
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20:20<k-man>Ninj: how did you make the backup?
20:20<k-man>Ninj: or what format is the backup in?
20:20<Ninj>still making it :) from a rescue console
20:20<Ninj>i've tar-ed main directories
20:20<Ninj>and im sending them on FTP
20:20<k-man>oh, so if its in a tar file, you can extract it using tar man tar for details
20:21<Ninj>when ill restore all that, in some hours, i need to get back everything, along with the cron list
20:21<k-man>Ninj: it's a debian machine?
20:21<Ninj>hum, yes sure, but i was wondering where the files are :)
20:21<Ninj>yes it is
20:21<Ninj>it was a etch
20:21<k-man>are the cron jobs you need run from root's cron or from a user's cron?
20:22<k-man>all the root cron jobs are in the /etc/cron.* directories plus /etc/crontab
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20:24<k-man>user cron jobs are stored somewhere else, not sure where
20:26<k-man>user cron files are stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
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20:38<Rainhard>is anyone there?
20:38<abrotman>lots of people
20:39<Rainhard>xD, okay, there's anyone in the hispano network
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20:39<Rainhard>can i make a question?
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20:39<Rainhard>about the upgrade to squeeze
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20:40<Rainhard>maybe not u.u
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20:42<abrotman>what about it ?
20:42<abrotman>please don't ask to ask, just ask
20:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:42<abrotman>or ask here in english
20:43<Rainhard>i prefer to ask here in english, i'm spanish, but the channel is empty, or it seems
20:44<Rainhard>the question is about the conflict of dependencies
20:44<abrotman>okay ..
20:44<Rainhard>when i try to upgrade aptitude, apt and dpkg, there's a lot of errors, about gnome
20:44<abrotman>you can use to show us the errors
20:45<Rainhard>basicly, aptitude says "you must uninstall gnome"
20:45<Rainhard>then, my question is for... is better to make a clean installation of squeeze when it will be ready?
20:45<Rainhard>or make an upgrade by the apt way?
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20:47<Ninj>k-man: thank you, that's all i needed to know :)
20:47<abrotman>Rainhard: either would be fine, you can reinstall gnome when it's done
20:47<codygman>How can I upgrade my 2.6.26 kernel to 2.6.30 on debian lenny?
20:48<Rainhard>oh... then i make the safe-upgrade without make sense of the errors, and after make a full-upgrade and all will be ready like now, in lenny?
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20:50<codygman>My problem is that wicd can't find any wireless networks. I also tried 'iwlist wlan0 scan' and it shows the same. My physical wifi switch is on. The /etc/network/interfaces has not been changed at all. My wifi card is atheros ar242x. I'm using the ath5k drivers.
20:52<tempakul>Can I ask here now?
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20:53<abrotman>here now ?
20:53<abrotman>!tell codygman about bpo
20:54<tempakul>in this channel now
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20:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:01<tempakul>I have an error after add dvdrom with add-cdrom command
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21:02<abrotman>apt-cdrom you mean ?
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21:02<tempakul>yes, apt-cdrom add
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21:04<abrotman>and that error is ?
21:09<tempakul>Reading package lists... Error!
21:09<tempakul>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
21:09<tempakul>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
21:09<tempakul>E: Error occurred while processing libnet-hotline-perl (NewVersion1)
21:09<tempakul>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r3%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20CD%20Binary-18%2020080217-11:50_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages
21:09<tempakul>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
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21:11<tempakul>Hallo abrotman
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21:12<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need.
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21:44<haney>i need help
21:46<bremner>magic 8-ball says: future unclear. ask a real question.
21:46<haney>excuse me
21:46<haney>i have a problem with my debian 6
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21:47<haney>installed in laptop amd64
21:47<haney>in the screen show:
21:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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21:51<complicated>!seen nostmith
21:51<dpkg>complicated: i haven't seen 'nostmith'
21:52<haney>my problem is that in my screen show:checking root....from fsck util_linux_ng 2.17.......waiting for dev /..........=====[97.3%].....fsck failed non contiguous...exit status 3......will reboot _ i am have debian 6 installed in amd 64 (notebook)
21:52<haney>please help, my computer only reboot
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21:54<haney>i dont start my debian6 amd 64bits
21:55<haney>help me!
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21:56<haney>anything idea...
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22:01<haney>helpme! problem is that in my screen show:checking root....from fsck util_linux_ng 2.17.......waiting for dev /..........=====[97.3%].....fsck failed non contiguous...exit status 3......will reboot _ i am have debian 6 installed in amd 64 (notebook)
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22:08<bremner>haney: did you consider reinstalling?
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22:11<haney>no bremner because have full information
22:11<bremner>haney: sorry, I don't understand your last statement
22:11<cthuluh>haney: boot with a live CD, mount readonly your partitions, then perform backups.
22:11<haney>check this
22:11<kop>haney: a) does your drive work? run badblocks on it and check what smartmon says. b) Drop into single user mode and fsck manually.
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22:12<haney>no,the so debian6 (version amd64) its already installed
22:12<cthuluh>haney: stop repeating yourself. think properly. you need to access data, not to make your system boot again
22:12<bremner>if it really is a new install, nothing to lose really.
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22:13<haney>rescue normal boot without reinstallation
22:13<kop>And if it's not and you're getting hardware failure best to make a backup quick!
22:14<haney>the problem is that i not access to teminal or command line
22:14<haney>only grub in the window initial
22:14<cthuluh>that's why we're telling you to boot from an _other_ media such as a live CD or an install CD
22:15<cthuluh>to mount your partitions, backup your information, then do whatever you want with your computer
22:15<haney>how to run fsck for ext4?
22:15<kop>haney: What do you mean "not access"? You don't know how? What language do you speak? There is debian support in other languages.
22:16<haney>i have installed debian6 in my notebook amd64...ok
22:17<haney>i have full information and configurations
22:17<cthuluh>which information?
22:17<cthuluh>which configuration?
22:17<haney>i wich a normal starting
22:18<cthuluh>I can't parse your answer
22:18<haney>attempting with FSCK
22:18<kop>haney: We're not understanding each other. What language do you speak?
22:18<haney>HOW TO RUN FSCK if in the my screen show=
22:19<cthuluh>must be a fscking bot. *plonk* again
22:19<haney>check this image
22:19<kop>haney: Are you running ubuntu?
22:20<haney>is very similar
22:20<kop>!based on debian
22:20<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
22:21<abrotman>haney: are you running Debian or not?
22:22<haney>don't start
22:22<kop>Yah. Because debian would not automatically re-boot. Anyhow, haney needs to go to his distro for support.
22:23<haney>it's not debian channel?
22:24<abrotman>haney: which distro are you asking about ?
22:24<cthuluh>being a debian user or not I don't think he deserves any help
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22:25<haney>my problem is that not start debian how this view...
22:25<abrotman>haney: which distro are you asking about ?
22:25<haney>debian 6 squeeze amd64
22:25<abrotman>then why did you say you weren't running Debian ?
22:26<haney>only white text in background black
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22:28<haney>previously make a check fsck but not complete
22:28<kop>haney: No one can understand you. If you won't let us help you get support in your native language this is likely to end in all of us ignoring you.
22:28<kop>haney: (Or maybe you don't understand us. If you don't answer our questions we can't help.)
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22:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:30<haney>try begin
22:31<chrispluns>I'm using urxvtc and can't copy/paste to gnote or nautilus. Is there a fix for my problem?
22:32<haney>my debian6 run normaly,make a fsck for check errors but is completed.
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22:33<haney>appears 157004/2940521 files (0.3% non-contiguous)
22:34<haney>then appears THE SYSTEM WILL BE RESTARTED IN 5 seconds
22:34<haney>i need a normal start
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22:36<haney>my debian6 tun normaly,make a fsck for check error but is NOT complete, appears (0.3% non-contiguous) and EXIT ERROR 3, i wich a normal starting
22:36<haney>in the final show WILL BE RESTART IN 5 SECONDS
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22:37<mattcen>haney: Repeating yourself isn't helpful.
22:37<haney>i have problems with my debian6 already configurated with full information
22:38<mattcen>haney: Where are you from?
22:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:39<abrotman>already did that!
22:41<haney>my debian6 RUN normaly,make a FSCK but not is complete,..appears(in black &white) "(0.3% non-contiguous)" ..."exit status 3"..and "system will be restart in 5 seconds".....i need a normal boot
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22:48<haney>see you soon!
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23:01<rijo>hi @ll
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23:01<rijo>having wireless issues
23:02<rijo>i can scan for networks but can't connect
23:02<jawnsy>I dunno how I did this, but I managed to brick my Debian install... it's complaining that it can't find /dev/disk/by-uuid/... -- I googled it and checked that the UUID is correct, and it is
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23:02<jawnsy>not sure how else to proceed with diagnosing the issue
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23:03<nvahalik>How do I find out if my hard drive just corrupted itself
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23:03<rijo>nvahalik: use fsck
23:04<nvahalik>rifo: fsck takes me to fdisk
23:04<rijo>thats wierd
23:04<nvahalik>sorry, my bad
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23:05<nvahalik>Thank God
23:05<nvahalik>false alarm -- for some reason JFS was uninstalled
23:05<nvahalik>which is just strange
23:05<rijo>yes it is
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23:06<nvahalik>My windows admin tried to be funny and DDoS my web server. Succeeded fairly easily :(
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23:06<rijo>anyone good with troubleshooting wireless, wpa_supplicant etc. ?
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23:08<CompWizrd>nvahalik: install the BSOD screensaver on his server
23:08<rijo>where can i get this?
23:09<CompWizrd>first hit on google for bsod screensaver!
23:09<CompWizrd>and yes, is the proper hostname
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