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00:05<Lillymon>Problem: ALSA is playing a VERY loud, repeating static noise. How the hell do I shut it up?
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00:06<Lillymon>Don't ask me how, but /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop does NOT work.
00:07<Lillymon>ALSA does this sometimes and I recall a command to unload and reload all ALSA-related kernel modules kills it, but the last time it happened was so long ago I don't remember what command I used.
00:09<nevyn>Lillymon: rmmod snd-*
00:10<Lillymon>Nice timing, the proble just stopped all by itself for some bizarre reason.
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00:13<prem>is there any plugin in debian to import .mdb files in openoffice..
00:14<prem>mdbtools allows only to view the database..not to edit or change the queries
00:14<prem>any such plugin is there for openoffice in debian
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00:51<glow_wolf>What happened to the squeeze beta1 download?
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01:27<jahanzaib>hi to all
01:28<jahanzaib>i m facing a problem regarding meta sploit
01:28<jahanzaib>any one can help mee
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01:28<sney>jahanzaib: are you using backtrack
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01:29<sney>jahanzaib: either way, ubuntu, backtrack, and metasploit are not supported here. find your appropriate support channel and they will actually be useful to you.
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01:34<jahanzaib>any one knows the channel for backtrack
01:34<jahanzaib>or metasploit
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01:43<OsirisX>I installed sun-java6-jdk - how do I know what to set my JAVA_HOME environment variable to?
01:44<jm_>OsirisX: you shouldn't need to
01:44<alvaradogunner>update--alternatives ?
01:45<OsirisX>jm_ ok but the environment variable is blank now and I need to pass it in the java package I am building
01:45<OsirisX>it is from a source external to debian
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01:45<jm_>OsirisX: are you sure you need to pass it? java doesn't need this for several years now
01:46<OsirisX>jm_ hmm I see, ok then the references in the current source must be superfluous
01:46<jm_>OsirisX: otherwise try /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
01:47<jm_>OsirisX: heh /usr/share/doc/sun-java6-jre/JAVA_HOME
01:48<jm_>the same recommendation I gave you
01:48<OsirisX>thanks jm_ : I was looking in /usr/share/doc/sun-java6-jdk/ and there was nothing
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01:49<jm_>OsirisX: yeah, it would be better if both packages included this file
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01:51<OsirisX>why when I use dh_make, are many of the files in the debian folder suffixed with 'ex'? do I have to remove this before building the package?
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01:56<OsirisX>nevermind I understand now they are templates to be modified
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02:38<mbruins>is it possible to get a invite to #debian-devel?
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02:49<prem>will lenny install and work in i3 processors..?one of my friend is plannign to get it.,
02:50<prem>just need to confirm that anyone is successfully using it with lenny/squeeze
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02:50<dondelelcaro>prem: yes, people are using it
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02:51<prem>dondelelcaro, what about lenny.,will it give full support..
02:51<dondelelcaro>prem: depends on your chipset. Worst case you'll have to use a newer kenrrel
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02:52<prem>dondelelcaro, hmm i thought so.,but as far as the installation.,it wont throw any error right.,
02:52<RobbieThe1st>Aargh. I've got a pair of 'md' soft-raids, and I can't figure out a way to make any changes persistant after a reboot - I add a new drive, let it resync, and after a reboot it's gone.
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02:53<dondelelcaro>prem: depends on your chipset. We have installation disks around with newer kernels
02:54<dondelelcaro>RobbieThe1st: have you checked your mdadm.conf?
02:54<RobbieThe1st>It just has UUIDs of the raids in it, along with autodetecting devices (/proc/partitions). I tried adding specific devices to the array, but that didn't help
02:55<dondelelcaro>RobbieThe1st: and it has DEVICES partitions or similar, right?
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02:56<RobbieThe1st>Note however that one of my two raids is a boot-raid; the system boots off it. I set it up during my Debian install.
02:56<dondelelcaro>RobbieThe1st: hrm... and the number of devices is right too, right?
02:57<RobbieThe1st>I can give you an output of fdisk-l, or any other command you want
02:58<dondelelcaro>RobbieThe1st: cool, can you also show the output of mdadm --query --detail /dev/md0; mdadm --query --detail /dev/md1; ?
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03:00<RobbieThe1st>Note that /dev/sdc was my old third drive, and it's gone/not connected. /dev/sdd is what -should- be replacing it
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03:00<RobbieThe1st>Why the third harddisk, at /dev/sdd isn't taking the (unused) /dev/sdc I do not know.
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03:01<dondelelcaro>RobbieThe1st: so it's just /dev/md1 which is having the problem, right?
03:02<RobbieThe1st>Actually both, but I'll deal with /dev/md1 first
03:03<navis>hello, anyone here familiar with the spam reporting system for the mailing lists ?
03:03<navis>I mean I currently bounce messages to, but I have no way to know if it actually works...
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03:05<RobbieThe1st>dondelelcaro: Could there be a pre-defined list of devices somewhere else, or it be inside the initramfs?
03:05<navis>dondelelcaro: yep that's what I followed
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03:06<navis>but I have no feedback
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03:06<dondelelcaro>navis: it doesn't give feedback
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03:06<navis>and no way to know if everything is well configured
03:06<dondelelcaro>navis: it just feeds the message-ids into a script so they can be reviewed
03:06<navis>dondelelcaro: ok, and do you happen to know if it will work wiss messages read through gmane ?
03:06<dondelelcaro>navis: we have nothing to do with gmane's archive
03:07<dondelelcaro>navis: the spam reviewing process only cleans up Debian's listarchives. [And in theory, we should use it to generate new rules, but that's not done currently]
03:07<navis>dondelelcaro: I know, but I read mailing lists through gmane, and would like to report the spam to debian
03:07<navis>so that the debian archive can be cleaned too
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03:07<dondelelcaro>navis: oh; assuming gmane keeps the message-id: intact, it'll work
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03:09<navis>dondelelcaro: ok thanks, I'll ask there
03:10<dondelelcaro>navis: you should be able to find out yourself, since you're forwarding it...
03:10<navis>dondelelcaro: yep but I don't know the original message-id
03:10<dondelelcaro>navis: it should be shown by gmane, and it's in Debian's archive
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03:11<navis>dondelelcaro: wait, I do, I receive debian-announce via mail, and can compare it to gmane
03:11<dondelelcaro>navis: or you could just check, where we report the message-id...
03:12<navis>dondelelcaro: check what on ldo ?
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03:14<navis>dondelelcaro: oh right, the message-id is displayed, thanks
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03:23<RobbieThe1st>dondelelcaro: Are you still around?
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03:51<twb>Because it normally shouldn't be messed with, I have /boot mounted -oro by default.
03:52<twb>This always trips me up when applying an update for grub or the kernel... is there a way to instrument apt runs such that it'll make /boot writable for the duration, iff it's installing one of those two packages?
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03:54<jm_>twb: look in apt.conf for Pre-Invoke and Post-Invoke where it can be set for read-only /usr
03:56<twb>Hmm, can't see that in apt.conf(5)
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03:58<twb>ah, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
03:58<twb>But that does it for *all* apt runs, which is a bit more liberal than I was thinking of
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03:58<jm_>that's where the concrete examples is yes, the former only says it exists :()
03:59<jm_>no it's under Dpkg section
03:59<jm_>DPkg even
03:59<twb>*it does it for all dpkg runs, then
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04:14<disposable>i've created 3 md (raid1) devices in squeeze's installer. i formatted 2 and left one alone. after the installation, md0 and md1 work fine, but for some reason i have md2p1, md2p2 and md2p3. what are they?
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04:15<RobbieThe1st>Partition 1, 2 and 3 on that raid
04:15<disposable>isn't md2 a partition?
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04:16<disposable>RobbieThe1st: stupid question, ignore
04:16<RobbieThe1st>md2 is going to be raid #3, which itself appears as a device and can take either a partition table and multiple partitions, or a single partition
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04:16<RobbieThe1st>Well, it does make things interesting, I'll say that
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04:17<disposable>so 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md2' should clear the problem
04:18<RobbieThe1st>It should
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04:19<RobbieThe1st>Or, just use mke2fs /dev/md2
04:19<RobbieThe1st>considering you've got to make a filesystem anyway; no need to write it twice
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04:20<RobbieThe1st>Speaking of md raids, anyone know about why changes via mdadm(specifially, adding a new drive and removing an old missing one) might not persist after a reboot?
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04:21<twb>Recent kernels allow you to have partitions WITHIN the md array
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04:21<twb>I've had problems where partitioning disks and md RAID1'ing them, will cause the kernel (or mdadm?) to autodetect a single, whole-disk RAID1 array, containing several partitions.
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04:23<twb>And it fails to assemble the second and third arrays, because it can only find one node for each (md0p2 instead of /dev/sd[ab]2, etc.)
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04:26<disposable>twb: thank you, that explains why no matter what i type, i get a) segfault or b) cannot execute binary file.
04:26<twb>disposable: well, I dunno about that
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04:26<twb>In the scenario I describe you should be dumped into a busybox rescue shell, with a motd-ish notice about rootdelay and bootdegraded
04:26<disposable>twb: i have wiped the disk, not just md2. for some reason md0 == md2p1
04:27<twb>disposable: did you make a new initrd?
04:27<twb>disposable: mdadm.conf is copied into the ramdisk
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04:28<disposable>twb: that's ok, i'll set it up differently this time.
04:28<twb>I had that problem on 10.04, and I just gave up and installed 8.04 (both Ubuntu)
04:29<twb>I haven't set up a RAID1 on debian in a while
04:29<twb>(10.04 uses 2.6.32, 8.04 uses 2.6.24, fwiw)
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04:51<twb>Flipping python is breaking dpkg-reconfigure --all for me :-/
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04:52<twb>If I manually iterate over each installed package, it works as long as I dpkg --configure -a after each python package
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05:07<hide>Hello everyone. Is there a place where I can get high quality images for printing debian stickers?
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05:08<jm_>hide: you mean debian logos?
05:08<hide>jm_: exactly
05:08<hide>I'd like to make the stickies like 'Windows inside' or sth like that but for debian
05:08<jm_>you can find PS files etc.
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05:09<twb>hide: note that some logos are protected by (trademark?) restrictions
05:09<twb>You're not supposed to use the one with the bottle at the bottom, IIRC
05:10<hide>I don't like it anyway.. ;-)
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05:16<RobbieThe1st>Ok, guys, got a bit of a problem here. I've been following a guide on how to deal with bad blocks. So, I used badblocks in read-only mode on /dev/sda1. It found 6275072 is bad. I checked it with debugfs and it's not in use
05:16<RobbieThe1st>I then used DD to overwrite it: sudo dd if=/dev/zero bs=4096 count=1 seek=6275072 of=/dev/sda1
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05:17<twb>RobbieThe1st: the best way to deal with it is to go buy a new HDD :-)
05:17<RobbieThe1st>However, it's not getting reallocated by the disk - and it keeps showing up as bad. I tried overwriting it with random data, too, then back to zeros... No change
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05:17<twb>AFAIK you have no control over how the HDD's controller handles bad blocks.
05:18<twb>The badblock program is a way of telling the filesystem layer (esp. ext[234]) to never allocate those blocks to useful data.
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05:19<RobbieThe1st>Well, I'm not sure what I can do. Problem is, I've got a md raid layer between the FS and the actual disk, and I'm trying to convince md to mirror it onto my good spare
05:20<RobbieThe1st>It mirrors it, then sees differences and fails it. Sure, I could just copy files off and start from scratch, but there's got to be a "right" way of doing this
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05:21<kvirdi>Hi, ive been having issues installing debian (lenny, squeeze beta, squeeze weekly netinsts, same error): Debootstrap warning: warning <package name> is corrupt
05:21<kvirdi>anybody have an idea what this means?
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05:46<screenn>I have hardware with 4 GB ram, and run xen hipervizor on squeeze with 2.6.32-5-xen-686 kernel, but it seem's doesn't support 4+ gb ram, how to run xen at debian with more that 4 gb ram hardware?
05:47<mjt>use 64bit kernel
05:47<mjt>and hypervisor
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05:47<screenn>but I have intel cpu
05:47<screenn>model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G6950 @ 2.80GHz
05:48<nadir>apt-cache search bigmem, try that. never did.
05:48<mjt>well, some of us have amd cpus but run i386 code on it...
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05:48<jm_>screenn: it will work
05:48<mjt>amd64, just like intel386, is just architecture name
05:48<screenn>ok, thanks folks, try do it
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05:49<mjt>bigmem should work too, but it's better to go with 64bit kernel
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05:49<mjt>in my opinion anyway
05:49<mjt>bigmem are a bunch of ugly hacks
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05:52<nadir>ok, thanks. i will keep it in mind. I heard of it, thats all.
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05:54<twb>screenn: is your crappy x86 kernel compiled with PAE?
05:55<twb>If not, getting a PAE one might help -- although the RIGHT solution is to install debian/amd64.
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05:55<twb>( the other guys already said.)
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05:56<mlundblad>how come the space fun backdrop is not available in squeeze (gnome) from the apperance capplet?
05:57<mlundblad>the desktop-base package was updated
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05:59<screenn>twb it's a standart xen kernel from squeeze repository
05:59<twb>screenn: yeah, well, I don't pay attention to x86
05:59<twb>Even celerons have been x86-64 capable for, like, five years
06:00<mjt>64bit kernel has its own issues
06:00<mjt>so if not for large memory, choosing 32bit is a good idea
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06:01<mjt>and for the "crappy" part, this is just loud word. In that sense, whole x86 architecture is crap
06:01<mjt>(which is true but it's a different story, and the world is dominated by it)
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06:02<_wa>Hello everyone.
06:03<_wa>I have a question about iceweasel. My browser crash, and i absolutely don't know why and don't know where to find a log file or something.
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06:04<twb>mjt: within my market segment, it's dominated by x86-64
06:04<mjt>it's the same thing
06:05<twb>I install amd64 simply so binary packages can assume a higher lowest-common-denominator than i386
06:05<jm_>_wa: did you try starting it from a terminal?
06:05<_wa>jm_ type: iceweasel in a terminal and wait until it crash again??
06:05<jm_>_wa: yes
06:06<_wa>non i will try :) thank you.
06:06<mjt>heh. jm_ _wa
06:06<twb>Granted I'd prefer everybody to be using POWER64 or something, but I've come to accept x86-64 as a step in the right direction
06:06<jm_>_wa: and don't close the terminal
06:06<_wa>ok i will try it (=
06:06<twb>Unlike flipping EFI...
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06:07<screenn>I've upgraded my desktop lenny to squeeze yesterday, and that's what I had unresolved dependencies, after examine and apply in aptitude, it has removed almost all system! :-)
06:07<_wa>jm_ i receive messages in the terminal like : ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
06:07<_wa>or : (firefox-bin:16939): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
06:07<jm_>_wa: yes, wait till it crashes and then check what it says
06:07<_wa>ok ok
06:08<screenn>maybe couse some packages were installed from backports,
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06:08<mjt>backports usually gets upgraded correctly
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06:11<screenn>I've upgraded from lenny to sid on my laptop lately, everithing was safe, but yesterday I was really wonder, it happens in first with my dist-upgrade
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06:17<mjt>it tells you what it is about to do before starting
06:18<_wa>jm_ i received a message in terminal after it froze, it said: "Erreur de segmentation"
06:18<screenn>but I've at first installed by aptitude: Tasks>EndUser->Gnome desktop environment at my desktop, yesterday I was upgrading yet one server with optional installation, everything was safe at this case
06:18<jm_>_wa: that means application crashed (segmentation fault) I guess
06:18<_wa>yes. what's his problem?
06:19<jm_>_wa: you can enable core dumping and you'll get a core file, but no idea how useful that would be to whoever can figure it out
06:19<jm_>_wa: are you using version 3.5 with flash?
06:19<mjt>what's up with that version?
06:19<_wa>3.0.6, and i have flash. which flash i don't know.
06:20<screenn>anyway, advice to be careful to upgrade full gnome-desktop environment from lenny to squeeze
06:20<jm_>it doesn't have flash pluginwrapper like 3.6 :)
06:20<_wa>any advice? what i should do/try?
06:21<jm_>try disabling flash and see if it still happens, otherwise try 3.5 fom backports
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06:21*twb kicks adobe
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06:23<_wa>how to disable flash? in Tools>Addon ? i have shockwave flash this is what i have to disable?
06:23<jm_>yeah tools->add ons->plugins has a disable button, doesn't it?
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06:24<_wa>yes i'll disable and brows internet without flash to see how it will react.
06:25<AopicieR>hi; are the cd isos from the weekly builds section digitally signed in any way? I can only find files containing various hashes
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06:28<sylar>I tried to restart dbus, and it hanged
06:28<sylar>lsusb hangs too
06:28<sylar>there is some kernel OOPs in dmesg
06:28<sylar>is it possible to fix it without a restart?
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06:31<jm_>sylar: depends on where it oopsed, sometimes it's safe to continue working, sometimes not
06:32<sylar>last sysfs file: /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.3/temp1_input
06:33<sylar> Pid: 179, comm: khubd Not tainted 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 #1 System Product Name
06:34<sylar> Call Trace:
06:34<sylar>[<ffffffffa01141c5>] ? sd_remove+0x1b/0x63 [sd_mod]
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06:36<sylar>jm_, The USBs don't work, and I want them
06:37<jm_>sylar: well then you'll have to reboot (sd_mod -> sd_remove mgiht have happened when you unplugged something)
06:37<sylar>jm_, did I do something wrong?
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06:37<jm_>sylar: I have no idea ;)
06:38<sylar>jm_, should unplugging cause a kernel problem?
06:38<jm_>sylar: not normally no
06:39<sylar>can the dbus restart I tried hang more things?
06:40<sylar>it stopped system-tools-backends, and hald, and got stuch on rfcomm hid_devices
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06:51<OsirisX>oh gods of debian - does start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile </path/to/pid> --name <daemon name> only stop daemon based on process number in pid file or does it check for named process?
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06:56<twb>OsirisX: it checks that /proc/<pid>/exe has the same inode (or so) as the --exec argument
06:56<OsirisX>For some context - my issue is that my init script calls a wrapper than runs a .jar with a JVM. so the wrapper terminates after running java thus there is no daemon running with the wrapper name only java - and I want to terminate the java process cleanly when invoke.rc-d stop
06:56<twb>OsirisX: broadly, start-stop-daemon's --stop command SHOULD take the set intersection of all args (pidfile, exec, name) you give it
06:57<twb>Oh, and --uid
06:57<OsirisX>twb: so if my exec argument was a wrapper that terminated after leaving a java process running - s-s-d -- stop will not terminate my process even if pid is correct
06:57<twb>OsirisX: correct
06:58<twb>start-stop-daemon WILL be very picky about double/single/no fork dancing
06:58<twb>RTFM to work out exactly what it wants
06:58<twb>(I'm only going from memory here.)
07:00<OsirisX>twb: the man page was unclear - but I guess my only hope is to not specifiy --exec or --name and hope if goes only by pid
07:00<twb>OsirisX: it would be better to fix your wrapper IMO
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07:02<OsirisX>twb: it runs a .jar in a JVM - once it has done it, there is no need for it to exist. I'm not sure what "fixing" would really mean
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07:02<twb>OsirisX: telling start-stop-daemon to call java with the .jar as an argument, I guess
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07:02<twb>i.e. don't use a wrapper at all
07:03<twb>wrappers are for commies
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07:03<OsirisX>twb: hmmmmm ok, I'll give it a shot
07:03<twb>Ah, the double-forking options I was remembering are from upstart, not start-stop-daemon. So you can't use them
07:04<OsirisX>twb: when did you mention a double-forking option?
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07:07<twb>22:58 <twb> start-stop-daemon WILL be very picky about double/single/no fork dancing
07:07<twb>Maybe I mentioned it mainly in my head
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07:08<mansi>Hi friends, I need to detect IP spoofing, I mean multiple clients with same IP in the network, what is the method ?
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07:09<twb>mansi: are they on your l2 segment?
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07:10<mansi>For example two hosts are configured with in my network. One is my genuine gateway and the other is spoofed one.
07:10<jm_>what happens if you ping the IP?
07:10<mansi>With arping -bI eth1 I do get response from both the systems
07:10<@weasel>install arpwatch?
07:11<twb>All of that assumes it's the same segment, right?
07:11<mansi>But i need to make the detection automatic, wihtout manual presense, ie using some scripts
07:11<twb>mansi: you can probably instrument or hook arpwatch such that on detection, it adds that IP to a netfilter blacklist.
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07:12<mansi>Okay thanks alot friends, I think arpwatch is what I was looking for :)
07:13<twb>I ain't no steenking friend
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07:14<mansi>Thanks agin friends :)
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07:50<eagles0513875>hi guys
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07:59<PoPnow>i'm trying to config an exim4 on my debian to be my mailgateway/relay server, all mail that is sent should be sent out to internet but thru the exim4 and all incoming should be sent to my mailserver on the lan. I can only get one of that to work at the time. i can send mail but then I can not recieve mail or i got it to work to recieve but then i can't send
07:59<PoPnow>dc_eximconfig_configtype='internet' then I can send, dc_eximconfig_configtype='satellite' then I can receive anyone who knows what I should put here to both be able to send and receive?
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08:33<OsirisX>oh gods of debian - building a java package with debhelper and ant - but it seems to try to process the .pc directory that holds quilt patching information - leading to compilation failure due to duplicate classes - how do I solve this
08:34<twb>OsirisX: first, #debian-mentors
08:34<OsirisX>twb: ok thanks
08:34<OsirisX>twb: what's is 2nd, 3rd ...
08:35<twb>OsirisX: you'll find out when you join that channel.
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09:33<PoPnow>is there any debian-exim channel?
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09:46<benja>does anyone with a squeeze can tell me what `nm /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko' gives ?
09:47<benja>I get an error :/ -> makes depmod segfault
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09:48<benja>ls -l xfs.ko -> 512744 Nov 26 00:32
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09:49<mark__>no error, a lot of: 00000164 r xstats.32652
09:49<benja>btw mkinitramfs should check that depmod ran correctly
09:49<benja>wierd, same binary (date size) ?
09:49<PoPnow>anyone here knows how to setup Exim in Debian to act as a mailgate/relay server? all incoming mails should go thru the Exim4 and then to the mailserver on the LAN and all outgoing mail from the mailserver should be sent thru Exim4 and out on the internet
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09:50<mark__>mmm..only with postfix
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09:51<Max13>Hello all
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09:52<PoPnow>mark_ I can change to postfix, I don't care what smtp I'm using, :-)
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09:52<benja>PoPnow: you need to tweak the router section of exim for #1, #2 should be standard configuration if i'm not mistaken
09:53<benja>mark__: md5sum xfs.ko -> eae984f879ebaaa53132d4ac4222669d, same for you ?
09:54<PoPnow>mark_ can postfix listen to multiple tcp ports, let's say port 2525 and port 25?
09:54<benja>PoPnow: yes
09:54<Max13>I've bought a machine which doesn't have it's Wireless card supported by Lenny. I wan't to install Lenny with a netinstall. To make my wireless card supported, I have to do this:, can someone tell me if I can do something to integrate a backport kernel and auto "modprobe" at the installation to be able to netinstall with me Wireless card... :s ?
09:55<benja>mark__: ok thanks
09:56<benja>PoPnow: for that you only need to duplicate the line starting with smtp in postfix's change smtp to the port you want
09:57<PoPnow>ok, hmm maybe a stupide question, but how do I remove all exim packages from Debian?
09:57<mark__>benja (postfix) thats right
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09:57<mark__>aptitude install postfix will remove exim4
09:58<gsimmons>Max13: You could try using a backported installer with a later kernel (/msg dpkg kmuto). Note that WPA is not supported.
09:59<walter_>Friends, I installed flashplayer-mozilla via aptitude but it does not work. I'm using iceweasel. Any tips please?
10:00<PoPnow>when installing postfix and be able to do what I wrote above what should I choose, Internet Site or?
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10:03<Max13>§msg dpkg kmuto
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10:05<Max13>gsimmons: Yea thanks. I'll try.
10:06<filo_negro>hi, where can i download kqemu?
10:06<mjt>basically it's gone
10:06<mjt>there's no such thing anymore
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10:08<Max13>gsimmons: On my current installation, I have to "# modprobe rtl8187se" after installing the backported kernel. Will it be done automatically ?
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10:10<filo_negro>mark_: thanks
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10:14<gsimmons>Max13: With the backported installer, Linux 2.6.32 is used during installation and installed to your new system, so it should not be required.
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10:17<Max13>gsimmons: Ooookay... Thanks a lot =) / Is it hard to integrate myself a backported kernel for a "businesscard" netinstall (50Mo) ?
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10:18<onclebob>Hi, am using lenny and last time i used apt-upgrade I get this message E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
10:18<@Ganneff>then do so
10:18<onclebob>when i do as it asks it gives meSetting up initramfs-tools (0.98.5) ...
10:18<onclebob>update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
10:18<onclebob>Setting up docbook-xml (4.5-7) ...
10:18<onclebob>update-xmlcatalog: cannot close catalog /etc/xml/docbook-xml.xml: No space left on device at /usr/sbin/update-xmlcatalog line 572.
10:18<onclebob>dpkg: error processing docbook-xml (--configure):
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10:18<dpkg>onclebob: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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10:19<@Ganneff>cleever bot, but you might want to get yourself some free space.
10:19<@Ganneff>the error is pretty simple "No space left on device"
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10:20<onclebob>i get this
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10:21<onclebob>any ideas?
10:21<@Ganneff>onclebob: yes. you have to open your eyes and actually read whats written there
10:21<@Ganneff>the error is pretty clearly visible
10:22<onclebob>cant install libc-bin only get use dpkg --confiuger -a
10:22<onclebob>over and over
10:22<@Ganneff>thats not an error
10:22<@Ganneff>try reading the whole thing. not just one line
10:22<@Ganneff>"no space left"
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10:24<diederik>Hi, I've made a little script to copy and then verify the copied file with sha1sum
10:24<diederik>But in the comparison part, apparently I've made a mistake, since it reaches the wrong conclusion
10:24<diederik>script is here:
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10:25<diederik>Can someone pinpoint me to my mistake?
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10:26<@Ganneff>diederik: line 4, 5, 8 and 10.
10:26<@Ganneff>diederik: that is, run sha1sum with the full $1 / $2 by hand and look at its output
10:27<@Ganneff>diederik: you want to employ either awk or cut to only get the shasum, not also the name/path into the variables
10:27<diederik>Ganneff: but that's exactly what I want to automate, or I'm not understanding you correctly
10:27<@Ganneff>or run the script with bash -x and you see the difference in the output thats biting you.
10:28<diederik>I think I get you now ..
10:28<@Ganneff>you dont cmopare the shasums
10:29<diederik>it's failing because the paths fail, not the checksum value itself
10:29<@Ganneff>its failing cos you take to much into the comparison
10:29<diederik>indeed, thanks
10:29<@Ganneff>next time: bash -x on the script and see :)
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10:30<diederik>as the first line of the script?
10:31<@Ganneff>test it
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10:32<diederik>ok, that's pretty cool :)
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10:34<user01>how does the final release get set? Is there a vote? I see the number of bugs concerning the next release is 231, but i dont know if they are really severe ones . . .
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10:35<@Ganneff>there is no vote
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10:36<user01>Ganneff: ok, so . . . i know its ready when its ready . . . who determines when it is ready if there is no vote?
10:36<@Ganneff>the release managers
10:36<@Ganneff>as its their job
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10:37<user01>Ganneff: so they collectively vote, or they all have to say ok?
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10:37<@Ganneff>they do whatever they like, and the last one standing asks me to move testing to stable, and then suddenly its there.
10:38<petemc>bingo bango bongo
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10:42<user01>Ganneff: "they do whatever they like" . . . so basically, it is a closed process with no set criteria, though i imagine they take into consideration bugs and how severe they are
10:43<@Ganneff>they have lots of criteria.
10:44<user01>Ganneff: ok, but . . . are they objective things in a list, or are some subjective?
10:44<@Ganneff>(google helps)
10:44<user01>Ganneff: ok ill check out lmgtfy
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10:46<diederik>mastering awk will take some time, but I've accomplished my goal, thanks
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10:53<PoPnow>how can I config postfix so that all mails for will be sent to server1 and domain2 will be sent to server2?
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10:54<@Ganneff>1man 5 postconf -> transport_maps
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10:57<stuckey>hi all
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11:02<PoPnow>in /etc/postfix/transport smtp:exchange1.mydomain.local does smtp stand for that it use port 25, if I want it to send on port 1027 it should be 1027:exchange1.mydomain.local?
11:02<rpetre>PoPnow: smtp means the smtp transport as defined in
11:03<rpetre>you can set up a different transport and use that one
11:03<mark__> PoPnow : you should edit master.conf for that
11:03<mjt>or better yet add the port number after the destination
11:03<mjt>it's not master.conf
11:03<mark__>oyes typo
11:03<rpetre>oh, just for the port it's smtp:host:port
11:03<rpetre>man 5 transport
11:04<PoPnow>cool, will try that
11:04<rpetre>remember to postmap the transport file ;)
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11:05<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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11:06<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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11:13<diederik>does the CPU do anything with the data when you copy it with 'cp'?
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11:14<diederik>When I copy files and verify it with sha1sum, it fails sometimes (mostly with big files)
11:14<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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11:15<rpetre>diederik: what filesystems do you use?
11:15<diederik>rpetre: ext4
11:15<diederik>could that be the cause of my issues?
11:15<rpetre>it shouldn't
11:16<diederik>that's very true ;)
11:16<rpetre>do you see any disk related mssages in dmesg?
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11:17<diederik>yesterday I checked my drive with smartct and it found no errors
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11:17<rpetre>is it just cp src_dir/file dst_dir ; sha1sum dst_dir/file or do you do anything else?
11:18<diederik>script is here:
11:18<diederik>although I now do an awk on the checksum to only get the checksum value
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11:19<petemc>diederik: have you tried to replicate the issue with non downloaded files? create a file with dd if=/dev/urandom of=file bs=1000 count=10 , then copy that around
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11:20<diederik>petemc: no I haven't. Will try 'your' method. Why could that make a difference?
11:20<sney>enry: just keep trying, maybe it will magically turn into a warez channel. Oh, but you probably don't speak english, so you have no idea what's going on
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11:20<petemc>diederik: it would rule out the problem being with the downloaded file
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11:21<petemc>(assuming you're still having issues with par2/rar files()
11:21<diederik>I am trying it with both rar files. but also a .mov file and and iso file
11:21<rpetre>diederik: are you sure that the file is copied? maybe you have a partial target file and cp fails silently or something
11:22<rpetre>so you check the old file
11:22<diederik>The problem I had yesterday, was 'solved' by performing it on my server
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11:23<diederik>rpetre: I think so, before starting the copy operation I delete the files from the target area
11:24<rpetre>also, is $2 the target filename or the target dir?
11:24<diederik>just checked with the file created through dd and checksum match
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11:24<diederik>target filename
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11:25<rpetre>other than $source being still written in at cp time, i don't have any idea
11:25<diederik>it looks like it (almost) consistantly succeeds when the files are 'small'
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11:26<diederik>I tried copying 10 files of 33MB each and that consistantly succeeded
11:26<diederik>then with 20, same results. with 30 files I got 1 mismatch
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11:28<PoPnow>if I add these 2 lines but can't recieve relayhost = myserver:1027 relay_domains = into my /etc/postfix/ then I can't relay any mail thru the postfix and if I remove them then I can send but can't recieve, what could be wrog?
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11:30<valadares>how to configure a pppoe connection in Debian?
11:32<diederik>does the CPU do anything with the data when using cp other then passing it along?
11:32<diederik>I'm trying to rule out the CPU as the cause of my issue
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11:37<diederik>ok, thanks
11:37<rpetre>other than handling the i/o, interrupts and stuff
11:37<rpetre>and i'm pretty certain data doesn't even touch the cpu, it should be passed through DMA all the time
11:38<diederik>hmm, you just alerted me to another test, fully stress my pc and see if it fails more often ...
11:38<diederik>that's what I expected, but not that familiar with the 'real' internals
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11:49<valadares>how do I set up a pppoe connection in Debian? is the same way that you set up in ubuntu?
11:50<diederik>stressing the cpu doesn't seem to have an effect
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12:04<cthuluh>diederik: you generally start with your web browser, your favorite search engine, and you look for "debian pppoe"
12:05<cthuluh>diederik: then, if you still have no idea, you ask on a mailing list or an irc channel
12:05<diederik>cthuluh: you're probably referring to valadares
12:07<cthuluh>diederik: indeed. sorry ;-)
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12:47<swim>hey, i'm trying to find an OS that will work with an old Intel Pentium MMX, does anybody know of the good debian distros that will install with that???
12:48<mjt>debian is just one distro
12:48<sun>hi i was wondering about comparative advantages of kde vs gnome... which one is lighter weight on debian? any other pros or cons i should keep in mind (im installing for my wife, i personally use ion3/command line)
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12:52<retrospectacus>I would stick with Gnome but it's just preference - you could install both and see which she prefers
12:52<swim>yeah, but i read someting about using etch with those processors, I was just wondering if anybody in here knew what would word best for this kind of processor..
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13:31<stuckey>I have a binary that I would like to run when I login -- how can I do this?
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13:35<yoshio>on Squeeze, I went to , and pressed on a channel, the player window comes up, but no audio plays - how do I solve this?
13:37<yoshio>alsa works fine, flash audio is fine, I'm in iceweasel
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>yoshio: I'm getting sound from their player - I don't see any external process.
13:47<jla>What happened to the "must reboot" message I use to see when updating the same-version kernel as the running kernel?
13:47<jhutchins_lt>Hang on, I'm gonna kill all my firefox windows so I can see if it's calling anything.
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13:49<yoshio>jhutchins_lt: can you do a netstat, and see if it is using a port other than say 80
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13:50<jhutchins_lt>wow, um, not sure I can sort that out. Lots of busies on this box.
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>yoshio: Looks like it's opened ten different connections.
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13:56<jhutchins_lt>yoshio: 80 would be the remote port, the local port would be arbitrary.
13:57<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, looks like it opens about seven different connections for the player.
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14:01<yoshio>jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks. I grabbed a nightly build of FF also, and it has no add-ons like noscript, but still I get no audio - it used to work
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14:04<rs>Hi! I have just installed Debian testing and have a sound problem. External USB device shows only playback and no recording in the mixer. Any hints where to look?
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14:08<retrospectacus>rs: you need a new driver for your device
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14:09<rs>Where do I get that? UCA202 from Behringer.
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14:10<rs>It worked out of the box in Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS. Trying Debian now,after being fed up with Ubuntu.
14:10<jhutchins_lt>rs: Get rid of pulseaudio.
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14:16<yoshio>rs: arecord -l does that list input devices (aplay -l lists output devices)
14:16<rs>can't be pulseaudio, because alsamixer in a terminal claims that there is no capture device
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14:17<rs>yes, arecord does list it.
14:18<rs>card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
14:18<rs>Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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14:21<yoshio>rs: in alsamixer, hit F2, then select /proc/asound/devices - you don't see capture stuff there?
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14:23<rs>I see " 5: [ 1- 0]: digital audio capture" - seems to be there
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14:24<yoshio>rs: alsamixer --view capture -- is this what you wanted to see?
14:25<acu>how can I reconfigure xserver in squeeze
14:26<rs>This sound device does not have any capture controls. FACEPALM!
14:26<rs>This thing has no controls. It just pumps audio in.
14:26<rs>Sorry to have bothered you........
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14:28<rs>audacity can record, soundrecorder complaind about the config. Thanks!
14:29<yoshio>rs: did alsamixer actually say "does not have any capture controls"??? I don't understand how a input device wouldn't have that kind of control.
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14:32<yoshio>acu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (squeeze no longer has xorg.conf though)
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14:32<rs>yoshio: it does. There is no control, there is only line in and that is set fixed at 0dB
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14:34<acu>howto enable ssh server
14:36<Torsten_W>/etc/init.d/ssh start
14:36<Torsten_W>for start at boot, update-rc.d ssh defaults
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14:45<alvaradogunner>any developer in here?
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14:51<acu>Torsten_W: thanks for the tip update-rc is an application? I need to install it ?
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14:53<retrospectacus>acu: update-rc.d should already be installed
14:54<retrospectacus>alvaradogunner: please don't ask questions like that. just ask your real question
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14:55<acu>Torsten_W: I updated an old squeeze 386 and the GUI got screwed - some lines seen only - the system is remote and the only way to access it is through ssh
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14:55<acu>the update-rc command not found
14:56<acu>so I updated a very old squeeze to newer squeeze and it tells me command not found
14:56<retrospectacus>acu, it needs to be run as root as well
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14:56<Torsten_W>acu, update-rc != update-rc.d
14:57<Torsten_W>acu, open your eyes
14:57<Torsten_W>acu, and if the command is not there, your system is fucked up and not complete updated to squeeze
14:57<retrospectacus>acu: lrn2tab
14:57<acu>is there :)
14:58<diederik>how can I create a new partition (with ext3) online, ie without a livecd or sth?
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14:58<retrospectacus>diederik, fdisk and then mkfs
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14:59<acu>is there :) it gives me update-rc.d: warning: ssh stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)
14:59<retrospectacus>diederik, this is well-documented, ask here if you have a specific question
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15:00<diederik>retrospectacus: thanks, reading through the fdisk man page now
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15:02<retrospectacus>diederik, you can also use gparted if you have a DM running
15:03<retrospectacus>or other partition manager
15:03<diederik>ok. will go for the rescuecd option, it's easier.
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15:19<shiznatix>Hi. I am having a very silly problem after installing debian lenny. Basically, the fonts are too small which is breaking some websites and whatnot. A screenshot of the problem can be found here: I also would like to say that I have had this problem before on this computer but I can't remember how I fixed it (same debian lenny minimum install)
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15:27<MikeQ>Humm, which would be the most efficient WM/FM/Browser combo?
15:27<MikeQ>I was thinking Fluxbox/Xfe/Midori
15:27<MikeQ>Either that, or I just slap Xfce in and add Midori.
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15:27<stuckey>How do I set the system time?
15:28<retrospectacus>stuckey: with the date command
15:28<stuckey>retrospectacus: Can I set my timezone with that or just the time?
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15:32<Arrowmaster>shiznatix: from that menu in that screenshot click details and adjust the resolution
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15:32<Arrowmaster>shiznatix: from that menu in that screenshot click details and adjust the resolution
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15:33<shiznatix>Arrowmaster, thanks! it works! Why can't it be default something rational?
15:33<Arrowmaster>it defaults to the dpi that your monitor says it uses
15:33<Arrowmaster>so blame your monitor for not reporting the correct data
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15:36<retrospectacus>stuckey, I believe you set your timezone with this command: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
15:37<retrospectacus>that is probably not the only way to do it
15:37<shiznatix>Arrowmaster, I did blame it, now it feels bad and I think I hurt it's feelings. I best go apologize
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15:40<stuckey>retrospectacus: thanks
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15:41<yoshio>stuckey, I do sudo ntpdate
15:42<yoshio>stuckey, and I have "UTC=yes" in /etc/default/rcS, and the UTC time in bios
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15:44<Arrowmaster>i just have ntp installed and it kepts it synced for me automatically
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15:45<stuckey>Doesn't the chrome browser come with adobe flash built in?
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15:46<stuckey>retrospectacus: What does it do? Doesn't it do something special with flash?
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15:46<retrospectacus>it will try to use HTML5 if available (it often is on youtube)
15:47<retrospectacus>failing that it just says missing plugin or sth
15:47<stuckey>yoshio: UTC time in bios?
15:48<stuckey>yoshio: Can you explain what you mean by havint utc=yes, etc.?
15:48<stuckey>retrospectacus: that's webm?
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15:50<retrospectacus>stuckey: yeah something like that... I don't keep up on all those details
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15:54<padski>I'm looking for alternatives to dpkg-www
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16:06<stuckey>yoshio: can you explain to me please what setting stuff in /etc/default/rcS does? And why you changed to UTC in bios?
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16:11<yoshio>stuckey, I changed the time in bios to UTC (Greenwich mean time) so I don't have to worry about daylight savings time (in the USA), it changes by one hour twice a year
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16:11<stuckey>yoshio: But where do you live?
16:11<yoshio>stuckey, California
16:12<stuckey>yoshio: so you wake up at 8am UTC?
16:12<dondelelcaro>stuckey: you almost always want the clock in UTC.
16:12<yoshio>no, UTC is seven hours ahead of my local time
16:13<dondelelcaro>stuckey: local time is just an offset from UTC, which never changes.
16:13<stuckey>So why isn't that default?
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16:13<dondelelcaro>stuckey: it is if you're running a sensible OS.
16:13<dondelelcaro>stuckey: we support having it be something else, because windows uses it as an insane default.
16:14<themill>padski: ?
16:14<MikeQ>*cough* And so does most others *cough*
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16:15<MikeQ>But that's MS' fault. ;)
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16:15<dondelelcaro>well, no unix os does
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16:16<stuckey>So you set system time to UTC, and then the time you display is an offset of that.
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16:17<yoshio>stuckey, date shows Wed Dec 8 13:15:19 PST 2010 , date -u shows Wed Dec 8 21:15:24 UTC 2010, so there is an 8 hour difference in the winter, 7 hour difference in summer (daylight savings time)
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16:18<stuckey>yoshio: here it shows the same thing. And I don't understand what the advantage of this is.
16:18<padski>themill, ??
16:18<padski>themill, did I miss something ?
16:18<themill>padski: I'm not sure what your question is actually asking.
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16:19<dondelelcaro>stuckey: advantage of what?
16:19<stuckey>using utc
16:19<themill>[20:54] <padski> I'm looking for alternatives to dpkg-www ← and since you've not got an answer, I'm guessing no-one else does either.
16:19<dondelelcaro>stuckey: UTC doesn't do dalight savings time, and it's easier to compare times in and calculate everything from
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16:20<dondelelcaro>stuckey: read about the unix epoch if you want to know more
16:20*themill decides not to mention leap seconds at this point
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16:21<padski>shame, leap seconds are highly relevant
16:21<yoshio>stuckey: -- in the US, we have to change our clocks twice a year - I used to have to manually change my computer clock, setting UTC=yes allows the computer to change it for me. not sure if Debian does this automatically now, but it was easier for me a few years ago to keep UTC time in bios
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16:22<dondelelcaro>it's pretty much always easier to have the bios in utc; but it doesn't really matter
16:22<Cover2k>hi, you have russian chanell in this server ?
16:22<dondelelcaro>(this becomes much more obvious when you're maintaining machines with admins who are in different timezones and the machine is in a third)
16:23<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
16:23<retrospectacus>computers should all live on UTC - local time is for the users' convenience and should be set in their environment, IMHO
16:23<stuckey>Cover2k: No, but Russia has server in this channel.
16:23<dondelelcaro>Cover2k: I don't think there's one here. [Normally it'd be listed there if there was]
16:24<padski>themill, I came to the conclusion that noone else did during the silence that followed. I have started looking at web hosting control panels.
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16:24<dondelelcaro>retrospectacus: yeah, that's pretty much what everyone who works with lots of them do... desktops are a bit weird, though
16:24<stuckey>yoshio: Anyway to know if debian does this automatically now?
16:24<stuckey>yoshio: And, what does your cron script look like?
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16:25<Cover2k>who make portable app for debian
16:25<themill>padski: "/msg dpkg whcp" is perhaps useful for you
16:25<Cover2k>who have script for make portable app ?=)
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16:25<Cover2k>or technology
16:26<padski>themill, yes, its been a while. I had forgotten the entertaining webmin hate thing.
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16:27<yoshio>stuckey: it's a preference thing, for a desktop, you can go either way. don't know if debian automatically switches the time, I changed the time to UTC when I was using RedHat years ago. what cron script?
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16:28<stuckey>yoshio: Wait, nevermind. Don't pepole use cron scripts to constantly run ntpdate so that the time is always accurate?
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16:30<yoshio>stuckey: -- I guess debian will change the time automatically
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16:33<yoshio>stuckey, they can run a ntp daemon to sync automatically, I use ntpdate manually as a client, since I'm not up 24x7
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16:35<stuckey>yoshio: so you just run it yourself when your time looks wrong?
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16:46<Arrowmaster>stuckey: ntpdate is deprecated so no people dont run it in cron scripts, ntpd runs as a daemon and updates the time at certain intervals
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16:52<stuckey>Arrowmaster: this happens automatically?
16:53<Arrowmaster>when running the ntpd from the ntp package yes
16:53<yoshio>stuckey: I hibernate my laptop, so after restarting, I connect online. once in a while, my time is off by a few seconds, but usually no more than a fraction of a second.
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17:35<slayerboy>Hey I have a quick question about squeeze and the console. I have a new Acer Aspre 7745g laptop that boots fine, but when I try to switch to console mode with CTRL+ALT+F1 the screen dims and I cannot get to the console. I can see console messages when booting, but that is it.
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17:46<diederik>I added an entry to fstab to mount a partition to my ~/ directory, but it failed.
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17:46<diederik>That entry is listed after /home gets mounted. So why does it fail?
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17:49<_wa>I need help about permissions on a file on an extern hdd. i try: chmod 777 nameOfFile
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17:49<_wa>And nothing happen file permission is rwx r-x r-x ...
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17:52<_wa>-rwxr-xr-x 1 wappinger root 1445079 déc. 8 22:49 diapo_08122010i.odp
17:52<_wa>i type: chmod 777 diapo_08122010i.odp
17:54<retrospectacus>what fs type is it?
17:54<bighornram>I have squeeze installed on a dell xps m1330. wine 1.1.42 installed, after upgrading squeeze dvdfab in wine won't recognize my dvd. I've tried reinstalling dvdfab and wine but still no joy.
17:54<retrospectacus>_wa: can you paste the line in "mount" of the drive
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17:55<_wa>/dev/sda4 on /media/save type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=0)
17:55<_wa>retrospectacus this is what you wanted?
17:55<retrospectacus>bighornram: still stuck on those windows apps eh...
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17:56<bighornram>retrospectacus: only for ripping dvd's.
17:56<retrospectacus>_wa: exactly, thank you. I think vfat will just say 755. Are you not able to write?
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17:58<_wa>I'm able to write, but when i send the file to someone they are not able to write. and tomorow i'll need to write on this file from school. so it scares me
17:59<retrospectacus>_wa: what do you mean, "send"
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17:59<bighornram>retrospectacus: thanks for the help, by the way it is a driver issue in squeeze, lenny drivers work fine.
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17:59<retrospectacus>bighornram: I use mencoder for that but it's a little advanced
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17:59<_wa>i send using file sharing. And the friend download it and try to write it but he can't.
18:00<retrospectacus>_wa: if he can create the file and not edit it that's some problem on his end
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18:01<retrospectacus>bighornram: is the drive set up in winecfg properly?
18:01<_wa>what you mean "if he can create" ? he don't create it, he just download it from the file share website.
18:01<retrospectacus>thus creating a file on his computer
18:03<_wa>so you think the problem is not file permission? it don't matte if file is rwx r-x r-x ?
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18:04<retrospectacus>_wa: I don't believe you are having a problem. Your friend is having a problem that he cannot edit a file he downloaded
18:05<retrospectacus>this could be for many reasons, what kind of file is it?
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18:06<_wa>it's Openoffice Impress file.
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18:07<retrospectacus>_wa: file permissions are not transferred when you share files.
18:07<retrospectacus>_wa: does your friend have openoffice?
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18:08<_wa>i think yes, i know she's able to write on .odt file which is openoffice writer filetype.
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18:11<_wa>I think she has a problem with his unix. I download the same file from mediafire and i can edit it.
18:11<retrospectacus>she may be opening it read-only, due to the way her downloading works. E.g. when I open an email attachment, it's read-only and you have to use "save as" to save changes
18:12<_wa>Aaaa maybe. the friend is a girl, so maybe this is why it don't work. i hope it will work tomorow at school.
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18:12<_wa>retrospectacus thank you for help very much.
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18:13<retrospectacus>_wa: yw
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18:18<prahal_>libreoffice failure to upgrade are common (experimental version) or is it just my local setup ?
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18:21<retrospectacus>"failure to upgrade are common (experimental" ...yep
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18:24<prahal_>ok this is just libreoffice-evolution and libreoffice-filter-binfilter -> error (CannotRegisterImplementationException): loading component library failed: file:///usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.3/program/
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18:25<prahal_>same for filter-binfilter . Before I purge those two it broke libreoffice-core upgrade too
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18:28<retrospectacus>prahal_: that's experimental for ya.. if you can isolate a dependency problem or anything file a bug report
18:29<prahal_>I was asking because my setup is not common (ie I hack on gnome3 so glib and alike are not the default ones but upstream master)
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18:30<retrospectacus>I see. I don't know but someone here might have some input
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18:31<cockroach>hey. i'm tryin to watch a video file in parole but it keeps saying "don't know how to handle video/x-xvid" - any idea what i can do about that?
18:31<cockroach>(works just fine in vlc and mplayer)
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18:43<prahal_>gee I forgot to force the upgrade of uno libs . I bet I got my clue . checking
18:44<prahal_>cockroach, debian multimedia packages ?
18:44<cockroach>prahal_: afaik i got rid of them (last time i had some of them installed not even vlc worked anymore)
18:44<prahal_>could be a parole bug . letmme check what it use to decode video
18:45<cockroach>it uses gstreamer
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18:45<prahal_>gee libreoffice components successful registration . great :) better not forget uno libs upgrade next time
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18:46<cockroach>prahal_: is there an easy way to check whether i have any debian-multimedia leftovers? i reinstalled the obvious stuff, but well, you never know.. :)
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18:47<prahal_>cockroach, I wonder , xvid use mp3 for audio ?
18:47<prahal_>been a long time
18:48<prahal_>ie no mp3 without debian multimedia (or you could get the codec pack from fluendo
18:48<cockroach>prahal_: uuh, no idea :) - i've always been a little scared of the whole video container business :)
18:48<cockroach>prahal_: but wouldn't that mean that it wouldn't play in mplayer and vlc either?
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18:49<prahal_>well if you still have mplayer from multimedia packages yes
18:49<cockroach>nope, mplayer is from debian
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18:50<cockroach>prahal_: ah, also, audio actually works :)
18:50<prahal_>ok so it could be a matter of missing the -bad -ugly or alike codec set from gstreamer
18:51<prahal_>checking to see which one ship xvid support
18:51<cockroach>nope, -bad and -ugly are installed
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18:52<prahal_>hum xvid gstreamer support is only in the really-bad (ie the one from multimedia
18:52<cockroach>oh. sucks.
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18:54<prahal_> i see no xvid :(
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18:54<cockroach>prahal_: :(
18:54<prahal_>I wonder why . Maybe there was a licence issue with xvid ?
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18:55<prahal_>ie not in debian nor fluendo .
18:55<cockroach>hrm. strange.
18:55<cockroach>but thanks for your help
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18:56<retrospectacus>if it works in vlc and mplayer but not thing, it's probably just that thing doesn't support that format
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18:56<prahal_>it is a royalties issue
18:56<prahal_>from wikipedia
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18:58<prahal_>the gstreamer framework works by plugin. There is an xvid gstreamer plugin . Only it is not shipped because of the above issue I guess
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18:59<prahal_>but if you read xvid you are probably not concerned about this issue in your country . So the multimedia package should be good to go too
18:59<cockroach>prahal_: i'm scared of the dependencies it will bring ;) - but i'll have a look at it!
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19:00<prahal_>cockroach, you should look after apt pinning to only bring in what you want
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19:01<cockroach>prahal_: or maybe i'll just keep using vlc with its hideous interface :)
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19:05<diederik>Hi, I have an entry in /etc/fstab with a user option and a script that is run at (KDE) login
19:05<diederik>Details at
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19:06<diederik>When I do an "du -h", that entry is not shown. Why not?
19:06<cthuluh>you mean "df -h", right?
19:06<cthuluh>what does mount say?
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19:07<diederik>how can I see that? It's run from a script, so I never see any output
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19:07<diederik>hmm, when doing mount ~/downloads I do get an error msg ...
19:08<cthuluh>right now, what does "mount" say?
19:08<cthuluh>(assuming kde has been started)
19:09<diederik>it's not listing ~/downloads
19:09<diederik>EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
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19:10<diederik>from dmesg
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19:11<diederik>looks like uid and gid are not appropriate for an ext3 partition
19:11<cthuluh>diederik: if you read the mount manpage, you'll see that ext3 has no uid option
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19:12<cthuluh>diederik: just get rid of them
19:12<cthuluh>(uid/gid options)
19:12<cthuluh>hi orlei
19:12<diederik>got that from a post at which tried to mount a fat32 partition
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19:13<diederik>cthuluh: thanks, just did that. Now going to try it ...
19:13<cthuluh>diederik: see if libpam-mount can't solve your problem
19:13<diederik>btw: is this an appropriate way to do it?
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19:16<diederik>cthuluh: libpam-mount looks interesting, will look into that. Should also work for console logins I guess
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19:33<diederik>I have the 'user' option in /etc/fstab (also noauto) and a script mounts it in my home dir
19:34<diederik>How come that root is the owner of that mount and is the only one allowed to write to it (instead of me, the user)?
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19:35<diederik>maybe relevant: sabnzbd is started from /etc/init.d/ and is running under my user, and wants to write into my home dir
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19:42<diederik>mount says nosuid/nodev/noexec. Could that be the problem?
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19:43<diederik>how can I 'apply' changes in /etc/fstab without rebooting?
19:44<mgm>use the new invention
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19:45<mgm>it's called "google" without the quotes
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19:45<diederik>sorry, you're right
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19:47<diederik>reboot is it, mount -a and noauto are mutually exclusive
19:47<diederik>then again, it seems impossible what I want to do
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20:06<kd123>how would I go about using debootstrap to do an install on a hard drive for a different machine?
20:08<kd123>wouldn't the install be configured for the machine doing the install? both machines are the same arch
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20:14<kd123>could I run debootstrap from a live CD without a network connection?
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20:16<kd123>Is there a live cd for squeeze beta?
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20:20<abrotman>kd123: configured how? .. /msg dpkg debootstrap
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20:47<kd123>abrotman: won't a debootstrap install reflect the machine doing the install... such as being setup for the device and the hostname
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20:49<abrotman>try it and see
20:52<kd123>abrotman: ok :) thanks
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21:39<Chase>IS ANY body here???? im kinda newww
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21:40<Chase>BLAHH D:
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21:58<Chase>HEY i have jolicloud but i wanna install debian can anybody help
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22:03<helix>what the hizzle is jolicloud
22:04<sney>let's ask the bot
22:04<dpkg>Jolicloud is a distribution based on <Ubuntu> targeted at netbooks. It is not supported in #debian. #jolicloud on See also <based on debian>.
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22:20<BlueG>After following the directions at, I realized that my email is still being signed using SHA1. Would it be prudent to also add "digest-algo SHA256" to gpg.conf?
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22:53<kd123>if I run lvm commands: pvcreate, vgcreate, and lvcreate.... do they make changes only to the disk I run them on... or do they alter my whole system?
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23:48<detly>was there a recent change to the behaviour of sudo? I've noticed that I suddenly have to run things with "sudo -E" where I used to just run them with "sudo" (mainly pbuilder and some personal scripts)
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23:54<kd123>detly: what sudo version are you using?
23:56<yoshio>detly, /usr/share/doc/sudo/{README.Debian, NEWS.Debian.gz}
23:56<detly>ah, I looked at the changelog but not the README
23:57<prem>is online resizing of a partition possible in debian ?resize2fs claims it is possible if the kernel supports
23:57<prem>is that option enabled in debian kernels.,just want to give a try on this
23:58<kd123>yoshio: have you ever used debootstrap?
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23:59<kd123>yoshio: does the system I'm debootstrapping from carry any settings over into the new install?
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