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---Logopened Mon Dec 13 00:00:23 2010
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00:01<prem>hi all.,how to share my calendar in evolution..googled but didnt get anything much useful
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00:08<k-man>sneakers: huh?
00:08<k-man>sneakers: which file?
00:09<k-man>you mean i should delete it?
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00:18<sneakers>k-man, do you have squeeze or lenny?
00:20<sneakers>find / -name 'menu.1st' -print
00:21<k-man>sneakers: thats a 1 (one)
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00:23<sneakers>no an l
00:24<k-man>lower case L
00:24<sneakers>my newly installed squeeze system has no menu.lst
00:24<k-man>which is what I pastebinned
00:25<sneakers>I do not have that file
00:25<k-man>ah... this is an upgrade from an old system, that went via a fairly tortuous route to squeeze
00:25<k-man>hmm.. but i have not run the upgrade-from-grub-legacy command yet, which i presume would remove it?
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00:27<kenyon>sneakers: you said l but wrote 1 (one) in your find command
00:27<kenyon>the file has an l, as in list
00:28<sneakers>kenoby, That was a typo
00:28<sneakers>I have no menu.lst on my newly installed squeeze
00:28<kenyon>as it should be
00:28<sneakers>great. which brings me to my original question. where do I edit my grub config?
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00:30<kenyon>also, /etc/grub.d. then update-grub will process all those and create /boot/grub/grub.cfg
00:30<kenyon>!grub2 config
00:30<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and (GRUB wiki)
00:31<sneakers>no that's not what I was after
00:31<kenyon>well, you said "grub config"
00:31<sneakers>I don't want to dual boot
00:32<kenyon>what I and dpkg said still apply
00:32<sneakers>I'm fine now thank you I did what I wanted
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00:39<Philosoraptor>i've been lookin for some help about a long time... now i'm tryn to find it on IRC...
00:40<Philosoraptor>it's about my Debian Lenny
00:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:42<Philosoraptor>I have an Acer Aspire 5517, i looked for its drivers for debian linux everywhere and didn't found it. I can't even use apt-get because my ethernet is not confugured too. I'm looking for some drivers that can help me to configure my hardware, any sugestion?
00:43<k-man>Philosoraptor: so you have managed to install debian?
00:43<k-man>Philosoraptor: what ethernet card does it have?
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00:44<Philosoraptor>can ya wait a minute? i'll give you the information
00:45<Philosoraptor>broadcom 802 11g #2
00:45<k-man>oh, it's wireless?
00:45<k-man>what kernel version are you running?
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00:45<kenyon>!tell Philosoraptor about b43
00:46<k-man>!tell k-man about b43
00:47<sneakers>I am trying to launch X according to the following method but the system still boots to a console. How can I make this work? Thanks.
00:47<Philosoraptor>it's a Debian 5.0 Lenny
00:48<k-man>Philosoraptor: any reason not to go with a newer version of debian? (other than no network connection)
00:48<k-man>thanks for the info kenyo
00:48<k-man>kenyon i mean
00:48<kenyon>sneakers: I think what you want is a display manager. you don't want to do startx like that
00:49<kenyon>!tell sneakers about dm
00:49<Philosoraptor>nop, no reason
00:49<sneakers>kenyon: No I do not want a dm
00:49<sneakers>kenyon, Yes I want to do startx like that
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00:50<kenyon>sneakers: so you want to run an X session as root?
00:50<sneakers>kenyon, Can you help me figure out why this method is not making X start?
00:50<k-man>sneakers: if you want to start X for a particular user, i think its better to auto login, and have your .bashrc run startx for you
00:50<sneakers>kenoby, Yep. Sure do. This is for a special purpose build, read-only and not networked.
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00:51<sneakers>k-man, No I need X to start under root immediately.
00:51<k-man>sneakers: why?
00:51<k-man>and why as root?
00:51<sneakers>k-man, I have my reasons. This is a special purpose.
00:51<kenyon>sneakers: I might still use a display manager, like gdm with its autologin feature
00:51<k-man>sneakers: i still think thats the wrong way to do it
00:51<sneakers>No I don't want that. I simply want X to start immediately under root.
00:52<kenyon>sneakers: that's what would happen
00:52<k-man>then auto login root, and startx from .bashrc
00:52<k-man>sneakers: check this out for some ideas
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00:52<sneakers>why doesn't my method work? look
00:52<k-man>i am looking at it
00:53<k-man>do you get any errors to indicat why its not working?
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00:53<kenyon>I'd say because startx is meant to be run by a logged-in user. maybe there is error output in .xsession-errors or Xorg.0.log
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00:54<kenyon>just guessing though, without looking at the scripts
00:54<sneakers>k-man, No indications. The system just boots to the console prompt.
00:55<kenyon>sneakers: add set -x to startx
00:55<sneakers>but, if I login as root, and type 'startx' of course X loads just fine.
00:55<kenyon>if you look at it, you'll see it uses user variables like $HOME. how do you suppose those are set when nobody is logged on?
00:56<sneakers>kenyon, how do you mean set -x ?
00:56<k-man>sneakers: i really have to say i think that is a difficult approach you are taking, why not try the auto login aproach?
00:56<kenyon>I agree with k-man
00:57<sneakers>k-man, because i do not want the console to be logged in
00:57<k-man>not to say your method is not possible, it might be, but i suspect it will be difficult to get going
00:57<kenyon>you will have to probably hack up the startx and related scripts significantly
00:57<sneakers>it worked fine with this method on lenny.
00:57<sneakers>now with squeeze it does not work.
00:58<k-man>i wonder if you could, in .bashrc, startx &; logout hmm... might be nasty
00:58<sneakers>no I do not want to do that
00:58<kenyon>so, debug it. compare the scripts between lenny and squeeze. use set -x.
00:58<sneakers>the system should be reading the symbolic link in /etc/rc2.d/
01:00<jm_>are you trying to start x automatically?
01:00<sneakers>jm_ yes sir
01:01<jm_>sneakers: why not use package nodm?
01:01<jm_>I use that
01:01<k-man>jm_: awesome!
01:01<k-man>i never knew about nodm, but it looks great
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01:02<sneakers>jm_, well because I think this should be possible without adding another package to my system. I had this working with lenny. Now with squeeze it won't work. Did you look at my method?
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01:03<jm_>sneakers: hard to say why it fails, but start by checking X logfile like already suggested
01:03<k-man>sneakers: sometimes one has to admit that it might be better to find a new way rather than sticking with the old way
01:04<sneakers>jm_, it fails as in X never even starts. The system just comes up to the console.
01:04<sneakers>But this doesn't make sense. The system should be executing files in "/etc/rc2.d/" that start with S
01:04<k-man>i'm going to try nodm for starting mythtv
01:04<jm_>sneakers: one issue I can think of is "allowed_users" in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
01:05<k-man>i currently use mingetty's auto login facility
01:05<jm_>(if that still applies that is)
01:05<sneakers>jm_, allowedusers=console
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01:06<rpgdude>hey everyone
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01:06<jm_>sneakers: that's the default yes, try setting it to "anyone"
01:06<rpgdude>i have a RAID1 array with only one disk
01:06<rpgdude>i have an empty disk that i want to add to the array
01:06<rpgdude>how do i do this?
01:06<jm_>sneakers: it's "anybody", not "anyone"
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01:06<rpgdude>i just want to make sure i dont loose my data
01:07<k-man>rpgdude: 1st be careful, i was in your position once and screwed it up
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01:10<rpgdude>yeah thats why i am asking in the channel
01:10<gsimmons>Philosoraptor: Do you have a wired connection available? If your Aspire 5517 model has a AR8132 Ethernet controller (PCI-ID 1969:1062) within, this is supported by the backported atl1c driver (since Debian 5.0.5).
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01:10<sneakers>jm_, I made that change. The system still boots to the console.
01:12<k-man>sneakers: in the time you have been grumbling about how it does not work, i installed nodm and switched from auto-login to nodm
01:12<sneakers>I am entering run level 2. My init script should be executed. The script says to startx &
01:12<rpgdude>i think i want to use manage mode of mdadm
01:12<jm_>sneakers: then you should debug how far it actually gets (i.e. "set -x" etc.)
01:13<sneakers>jm_, It doesn't get anywhere. X never even tries to start. The system just boots to a console. I even removed my X logs and rebooted. There are no X logs created.
01:14<k-man>sneakers: does dmesg or /var/log/syslog have any interesting clues?
01:14<jm_>sneakers: yes, that;s the point if using "set -x" to see how far it gets when executing the startx script
01:14<k-man>sneakers: put some echo messages in your scripts to see if they every get called
01:14<sneakers>jm_, If I login to the console and startx, X starts just fine.
01:15<jm_>sneakers: right - you'll either need to test things that we tell you or debug it on your own if you don't think our advices are worth your time
01:15<k-man>i'm off, bye guys
01:17<sneakers>nothing interesting in dmesg and syslog I'm going to try the echo thing first and then set -x
01:18<jm_>I would copy startx to /var/tmp, edit it there and execute it from there
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01:21<sneakers>jm_, does it make sense to put "echo TESTING" on the line right below /usr/bin/startx &
01:21<kenyon>sneakers: no, set -x makes more sense
01:22<sneakers>kenyon, On the line right below?
01:22<kenyon>sneakers: in startx
01:22<jm_>sneakers: I would just use "set -x" instead
01:23<rpgdude>ok i think its working
01:23<sneakers>sorry, a bit confuzzled. I have "/etc/init.d/startupX" with the contents: /usr/bin/startx &
01:24<jm_>sneakers: you need to put this in the startx script, not in your init script
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01:25<sneakers>jm_, at the top at the bottom of the startx script?
01:25<jm_>sneakers: 2nd line
01:25<sneakers>And why does the content of the startx script matter if the init script isn't even launching?
01:26<jm_>sneakers: how do you know it isn't?
01:26<sneakers>jm_, Because I deleted the X logs and rebooted and no X logs were created.
01:26<sneakers>jm_, in any case, I just put set -x on the 2nd line of startx. now what?
01:26<jm_>sneakers: X log is created by the X server starting - if it doesn't get that far in the startx script it will look that way
01:26<jm_>sneakers: reboot?
01:27<sneakers>alright, rebooting...
01:27<sneakers>entering runlevel 2
01:28<sneakers>sitting at a text console login prompt
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01:28<sneakers>logged in as root.
01:28<sneakers>now what?
01:28<jm_>so no sign of it starting?
01:28<sneakers>nope. it just booted up straight to the console login prompt.
01:29<sneakers>no X logs either
01:29<sneakers>but if I type startx after logging in, X starts just fine.
01:29<jm_>are you sure you are using debian and sysv init? :(
01:29<jm_>ehm :)
01:29<sneakers>debian squeeze
01:29<sneakers>yes sir
01:30<jm_>ok so it's a matter of figuring out why the init script doesn;t get started instead of focusing on X part of it
01:30<sneakers>I have /etc/rc2.d/S99startupX -> ../init.d/startupX
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01:30<sneakers>the contents of startupX contain the /usr/bin/startx &
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01:30<sneakers>the files are all chmod 777
01:31<sneakers>chowned by root
01:32<retrospectacus>put some logging in your startupX
01:32<sneakers>maybe update-rc.d
01:32<jm_>let me check something
01:34<sneakers>man update-rc.d says there is required header for the script files...
01:34<jm_>sneakers: rename it to 'startx'
01:35<jm_>sneakers: that is for dependency boot
01:35<sneakers>jm_, which? the symbolic link or the target file?
01:35<jm_>sneakers: well I would rename both
01:36<sneakers>the file in /etc/rc2.d/ has to start with an S
01:36<sneakers>and be followed by a 2 digit number
01:36<sneakers>like S99startx
01:36<jm_>yes the startX part
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01:38<sneakers>ok rebooting. the symlink is "/etc/rc2.d/S99startx --> /etc/init.d/startx" with the content of the startx file being /usr/bin/startx &
01:38<sneakers>still didn't work
01:39<jm_>try uncommenting the debug line in /etc/init.d/rc
01:39<sneakers>funny though, if I "cd /etc/rc2.d" and then "./S99startx" then X starts up fine.
01:40<sneakers>debug=echo ?
01:41<sneakers>ok rebooting again
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01:41<Nemoder>Is it possible to use dkms packages with a custom kernel? I tried to install oss4-dkms but it just returns "Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel"
01:41<sneakers>are you sure there aren't any special headers required in the init script files?
01:42<jm_>Nemoder: I use nvidia and virtualbox this way
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01:42<jm_>sneakers: to be honest, no - that would be my next suggestion if this doesn't produce anything
01:42<sneakers>jm_, alright I uncommented and rebooted. how do I view the results?
01:42<Nemoder>there are no errors in the make.log though it just gives the date
01:42<jm_>sneakers: aren't they on console?
01:43<sneakers>jm_, I saw nothing on console other than the ordinary bootup messages
01:43<retrospectacus>crazy man
01:44<Nemoder>jm_: did you have to do anything to make dkms aware of the custom kernel?
01:44<jm_>sneakers: huh, I thought it echo-s each script as it's executed
01:45<jm_>Nemoder: nope
01:45<sneakers>jm_, No it did not do that :(
01:45<retrospectacus>sneakers, if you put "echo trying to start x" at the top of your file does it print that when booting?
01:47<sneakers>retrospectacus, rebooting....we'll see
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01:47<sneakers>retrospectacus, nope
01:47<sneakers>no echo message
01:49<sneakers>I think the init system is not executing my init script file because it doesn't like the formatting
01:49<sneakers>I think maybe it requires some special header formatting or something of that sort
01:49<sneakers>just a guess.
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01:49<sneakers>either that or I need to run an update-rc.d or something like that
01:49<jm_>sneakers: I think it should just fallback to regular executuion if it can't use dependency based booting
01:50<jm_>execution method
01:50<retrospectacus>sneakers, I think there is a skeleton file in init.d you are supposed to start with to make these
01:51<sneakers>cat /etc/init.d/README
01:51<jm_>Nemoder: hmm I was looking if dkms creates a ogfile like m-a, but it doesn't look like it
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01:52<Nemoder>I've never worked with it before so I'm at a bit of a loss as how to find the problem
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01:53<jm_>Nemoder: hah /var/lib/dkms/<pkg>/<ver1>/<ver2>/<arch>/log has make.log here
01:54<Nemoder>DKMS make.log for oss4-4.2-build2003 for kernel (x86_64)
01:54<Nemoder>Sun Dec 12 22:53:46 PST 2010
01:54<Nemoder>that's my entire log.
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01:56<jm_>sneakers: try adding a header and then run dpkg-reconfigure sysc-rc
01:56<sneakers>jm_, okay, working on that
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02:03<Nemoder>looks like oss4 for 2.6.36 is fixed upstream, i'll just skip dkms i guess
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02:05<leocade>im havign trouble getting gnome to stop mirroring both of my monitors
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02:08<leocade>i use gnome control center to uncheck show same image on all screens and it lets me configure them as if they were seperate and when i hit apply nothing happens
02:08<leocade>then i hit close and open it again and it says its mirroring it again
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02:19<sneakers>wow, the things you learn when you are stubborn
02:19<sneakers>now i know the proper way to disable services
02:19<jm_>you mean the text in the man page? :)
02:19<sneakers>lol yup
02:20<sneakers>i'm still reading all about it
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02:26<twb>debmirror's doing sh -c gzip -d < ".temp/dists/sid/Contents-amd64.diff/2010-12-12-0805.45.gz" | patch --ed ".temp/dists/sid/Contents-amd64"
02:26<twb>This is creating an ed script that's using, like, 130MB resident memory, just to patch about four lines in that huge file
02:26<twb>Other than "don't mirror Contents", is there anything I can do about that?
02:28<tsccof>Nemoder: are you running 2.6.36?
02:28<Nemoder>tsccof: yes
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02:28<tsccof>Nemoder: did you compile it yourself?
02:29<Nemoder>sources from built with kernelpackage tools
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02:29<tsccof>Nemoder: no patches?
02:30<Nemoder>not at the moment no
02:30<twb>Fuck it, I can live without Contents
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02:39<sneakers>jm_, guess what?
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02:40<sneakers>jm_, it works now :D
02:41<sneakers>and kenyon and k-man, to you both I say neener neener!
02:41<jm_>sneakers: after editing the headers?
02:42<sneakers>jm_, I edited the header, using the provided skeleton. Then I ran update-rc.d defaults
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02:43<sneakers>and that populates the /etc/rc#.d/ with the symlinks automatically
02:43<sneakers>And as a result, I now know a lot more about how the init system works!
02:44<jm_>sneakers: right, so I guess it does insist on having the headers set - so far I thought it can fall back, but apparently not; good work
02:44<sneakers>jm_, thanks :D
02:46<jm_>sneakers: no worries
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02:46<leocade>hey guys im having problems with dual screens and gnome
02:46<leocade>when i uncheck same image in all monitors it doesnt apply when i hit apply
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03:04<Keessince1988>who else here runs debian testing with kde?
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03:04<Keessince1988>i have a question, boot time related
03:04<jm_>!tell Keessince1988 -about ask
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03:07<pixa>ese manu
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03:19<sneakers>How do I find a package that contains a certain file
03:19<netgod>sneakers: dpkg -S /certain/file, if the package is installed
03:20<sneakers>netgod, the package most certainly is not installed
03:20<sneakers>I'm looking for the package that contains "sol"
03:22<netgod>seems to be FreeCell Solitare, try the kpat package
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03:22<netgod>i dont remember how to search the debian website for the file
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03:23<jm_>sneakers: /msg dpkg search
03:24<jm_>for solitaire I recommend pysol :)
03:24<jm_>but that one is gnome-games
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03:25<sneakers>I have a hidden easter egg and I'm trying to find a good fun little game to launch
03:26<sneakers>i think installed the entire gnome-games is a bit much
03:27<twb>In SSL land (e.g. postfix), where does one configure the list of allowed crypto algorithms?
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03:27<twb>In particular, is it done on a per-service basis, or host-wide for all libssl users?
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03:31<jspiros>Are there any issues with running a 32-bit fuse daemon on a 64-bit kernel?
03:31<jspiros>and, if there are, would I be alterted to the issue when trying to run it, or would it maybe work fine and then die someday?
03:31<jspiros>I ask because it seems to be running fine but I don't want to be corrupting my filesystem (I use zfs-fuse)
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03:32<twb>jspiros: why can't you just recompile the binary?
03:32<twb>Personally I wouldn't bother running ZFS on a non-Solaris kernel
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03:33<twb>I just deployed an osol box and am waiting for btrfs to migrate it to Debian
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03:34<jspiros>twb: I'm running debian i386 with an amd64 kernel, i.e., 32-bit userland
03:34<jspiros>I didn't compile the binary in a first place, that's why I use debian? :)
03:35<sander_m>Hi. I am trying to intergrate a Squeeze workstation into an existing Windows network. I am making good progress, but I am having trouble mounting remote shares. I login using samba/winbind and creating home directories on the fly. After I have logged in with an Active Directory user I have a valid kerberos ticket (according to klist). But I cannot mount remote shares using mount.cifs.
03:35<twb>jspiros: uh... why?
03:35<sander_m>mount.cifs is installed suid in Sqeeze, but when I try to mount a network share I get an error that the mount point isn't found in fstab
03:36<twb>jspiros: why not just run Debian/amd64?
03:36<jspiros>twb: uh, because I've had this system for years and I only just upgraded the processor to an amd64-capable one?
03:36<sander_m>It appears that this is due to a recent change in mount.cifs for extra security. But, how can I then let users mount network shares?
03:36<twb>jspiros: grmph
03:37<jspiros>twb: in fact, I'm running a 64-bit kernel now because I want the chroot into a debian/amd64 installation so I can migrate my configuration online
03:37<jspiros>and eventually be switched over
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03:37<jspiros>but there is no easy switch from i386->amd64 as I'm sure you know
03:37<twb>I've never tried that, so I don't know how flaky it is
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03:37<twb>I migrate from i386 to amd64 by attrition
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03:38<twb>That is, old servers continue to run i386 until they're retired
03:38<jspiros>I need to keep this machine and its services up and running for as long as possible with minimal downtime
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03:38<jm_>dependeing on packages installed, it can be tricky - I went through ti twice
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03:40<jspiros>Anyway, it's no big deal, I don't need my ZFS running, it's just that it IS running, and seems to be running fine
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03:45<OsirisX>is it possible to assign different resolutions to different monitors in xorg.conf (in a multiple monitor set-up)?
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03:46<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
03:48<jspiros>twb: although that's MacFUSE, it'd suggest that this is probably not a problem
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04:05<mansi>Hello friends,Internet connection in my network is slightly slow after enabling Squid3 proxy. How can I accelerate the performance of squid?
04:05<mansi>What are the steps to be taken to increase the effectiveness of caches etc ?
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04:10<twb>mansi: that sounds like a question for #squid
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04:12<mansi>twb: I think I am the only person in that irc ;)
04:12<twb>mansi: on Freenode
04:14<mansi>ohhkay, Thanks. Let me try there :)
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04:28<mansi>twb: No response from # squid. I think they are busy. anyways I am following this :)
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04:29<twb>Ha, I first read that as ""
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04:33*twb increases font size
04:33<mansi>twp: :)
04:34<mansi>This also seems good one
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05:05<bluenemo_>does anyone here has experience with siemens futro thin clients? i am thinking about buying one.. are they ok or is there a better brand i should by from?
05:05<bluenemo_>meant buy (by) sorry
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05:09<twb>bluenemo_: thin client as in it runs an X server, or what?
05:12<bluenemo_>aeh well how to exactly configure it then i dont have a plan yet. but i think it'll only have a x client and get the stuff from my home server.. thought about 800mhz & 512mb ram or so..
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05:13<bluenemo_>the basic trick about thin clients is to have a really small and less ressourcefull machine and have all the computing ressources (usually for several thin clients) in one big server machine
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05:16<jm_>is there some command line tool that can delete mails from IMAP server based on age? I was using mutt so far but it stopped working
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05:20<twb>jm_: I'd be fixing mutt
05:20<twb>But I have had good success doing simple things with python's raw IMAP library
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05:23<jm_>twb: it's weird, I can see it send a request to fetch all mails, but then it simply stops with "IMAP queue drained" or somesuch and timeouts 60 messages before the end - it would probably take me too long to figure out how it works etc. (archivemail seems to do the job)
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05:23<twb>jm_: what imapd?
05:23<jm_>twb: exchange :)
05:23<twb>Ah, well
05:23<twb>I wash my hands
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05:24<jm_>I was at first thinking it was exchange, but claws-mail works fine, as does archivemail
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05:32<joel>hi.. i have a debian server running some services (OpenVPN among them) and suddenly i see that in my /etc/rc5.d i have a "S20openvpn" file that is marked as red and has "?" signs in all its attributes, i can't delete it, anyone have ideas how can i delete it?
05:33<murf_>joel, smells like filesystem corruption perhaps? try a fsck first.
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05:34<miki>I've just found sth about secure-testing sources:
05:35<miki>is the guy correct and why should I change my sources.list?
05:35<joel>murf_, when i rebooted the server it didn't mention anything about fs corruption, it has a XFS filesystem
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05:36<murf_>joel, hmm, never used XFS, so that's new to me.
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05:37<murf_>joel, if you ls -l it, does it point to anything? (the S20openvpn symlink)
05:37<xecuter>where is german support?
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05:37<joel>murf_, it says "No such file or directory"
05:38<joel>but if i type "ls /etc/rc5.d/S20open" and then press TAB it completes the filename as it were there!
05:38<murf_>joel, ok, that's odd!
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05:39<murf_>joel, does /etc/init.d/openvpn exist?
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05:39<kenyon>miki: did you read
05:40<joel>murf_, yes
05:41<kenyon>miki: the linuxquestions post you linked to is 5 years old
05:42<joel>murf_: Actually i realized that by some reason when the server starts up it isn't starting the openvpn process, then i check if there were a boot script under my /etc/rc2.d directory and by some reason it isn't! so when i did "update-rc.d openvpn defaults" it says me that the openvpn startup links are "already present" and i was like WTF? then realized that there is this "weird thing" in /etc/rc5.d
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05:46<jm_>joel: red means it's a symlink pointing at non-existing file
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05:47<joel>jm_: usually yes, but in that case i should be able to remove it by doing rm <non-existing link>
05:47<joel>and i'm not
05:47<jm_>joel: absolutely, try fsck
05:48<joel>jm_: is it dangerous?
05:48<murf_>joel, fsck ?
05:48<jm_>joel: not normally - it's used to fix file system after unclean shutdown etc.
05:49<murf_>joel, alternatively, you can manually add a symlink in /etc/rc2.d for openvpn start, and add a kill somewhere too. doesn't fix your filesystem, but gets you around it. :)
05:50<murf_>joel, update-rc.d does nothing if it finds any existing symlinks in the /etc/rc?.d dirs.
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05:51<joel>murf_, exactly, actually when i tried to remove "this thing" it complains because there is "something" under /etc/rc5.d
05:51<murf_>joel, heh. circular dependency.
05:52<joel>oh damn it... i have to use xfs_check since it's a xfs filesystem and it says that it has to be "unmounted" first
05:52<murf_>joel, yeah, you can't check a mounted partition.
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05:53<murf_>joel, try backing up important stuff first, just in case it discovers a hidden world of pain. how long since last reboot?
05:53<joel>like 1 hour or something like that, and everything looks to be fine
05:55<murf_>joel, ah ok. if it was a long time up, you could have issues with the drive that were 'hidden' as it were, once a machine is booted, lots of things never get actually touched on the disk.
05:55<miki>kenyon: ok, I've read testing-security
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05:56<joel>murf_, yes that's why i find this very strange, i mean i think that if there is some kind of filesystem corruption it should at least give me some warnings and it didn't!
05:56<petemc>did you check logs?
05:56<murf_>joel, well, yes and no :) i think it kinda depends on what the corruption is.
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06:02<joel>murf_: Hmm.. and if i do a "re mount" of the partition?
06:02<joel>(it's the root partition)
06:02<joel>as read-only?
06:03<murf_>joel, eh, yeah, that could work, but it won't fsck properly as it can't write any fixes, and it might cause you trouble while running read-only, but depends on the usage
06:05<joel>murf_: i see.. so i should restart the server with a live-cd or something like that and then run xfs_check
06:05<locklace>joel: when you have root fs problems, safest thing is to boot from a livecd and check it from there
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06:08<joel>ok i will have to do that, many thanks
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06:16<murf_>joel, yep, good luck!
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08:24<Keessince1988>hi, who else runs here kde on debian testing? my boot up has a hickup just right after the kdm login authentication
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08:26<jm_>define hickup
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08:28<Keessince1988>i cant start the kde kickoff menu for about 10 sec. only after the kde boot music starts
08:29<Keessince1988>i'm typing slow because i'm online on my phone, my english isn't superb either hehe
08:31<Keessince1988>i have this issue on my desktop and laptop, but not in my vbox machines...
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08:32<jm_>did you check if disk is thrashing at that time?
08:32<gladioacuto>hi all
08:33<gladioacuto>how to set human icon theme for gtk apps?
08:34<Keessince1988>no it's idle, i have a feeling it might have to do with pulseaudio, i'll start a new installation soon in vbox with pa installed, that might narrow the causes
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08:35<Keessince1988>select the theme package within the apperance window as i recall, dont unzip the file, its automatic
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08:37<Keessince1988>whhst is the best way to integrate PA in kde? i only added a conf file to make PA the default
08:37<Keessince1988>*what is.... sorry typo, again im typing on my phone ;-)
08:38<jm_>doesn't it have a choice for it in the control center?
08:40<Keessince1988>@jm_ are you commenting towords me?
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08:41<gladioacuto>i'm not using gnome
08:41<gladioacuto>but fluxbox...i was thinking of some config file
08:41<Keessince1988>i only know gnome and kde, sorry ;-)
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08:43<Keessince1988>okay, one final question from me :-)
08:44<jm_>Keessince1988: yup
08:44<jm_>gladioacuto: you want to change a gtk theme or what?
08:45<gladioacuto>i've and
08:45<Keessince1988>who else has problems with numlock in kde debian testing? in the settings its enabled, but the num led is off, while the numpad is enabled...
08:45<gladioacuto>jm_, i want to change the icon theme in iceweasel, icedove, pcmanfm etc...
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08:47<jm_>gladioacuto: isn't this done per application?
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08:50<gladioacuto>jm_, it's not. Did you take a look at my pastes?
08:50<jm_>gladioacuto: yes
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08:52<Stemby>why is not available for i386 and amd64?
08:52<gladioacuto>jm_, so why they don't work?
08:52<jm_>gladioacuto: like I said, I thought this doesn't work for icons - better talk to someone who knows more, but don't ask me who they are
08:53<gladioacuto>jm_, ok thanks anyway
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08:56<jm_>maybe it's worth finding out what that gnome icon changing tool does
08:57<sneakers>gladioacuto, jm_ , gtk-chtheme
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09:00<jm_>sneakers: does that also work for icons?
09:00<jm_>he did use it to change general gtk theme
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09:01<sneakers>jm_, it just writes your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 files
09:01<gladioacuto>sneakers, it's something like doesn't work only icons
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09:01<jm_>sneakers: yes, but one can't select anything about icons in it
09:02<jm_>anyway, have to run
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09:13<Txt-file>I changed my kernel today and since then I can't boot anymore. I have my system encrypted with LUKS and a LVM in it. When I try to boot I get:
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09:15<Txt-file>looks like it just forgot that it has to aks for the key to encrypt first
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09:34<jspiros>I am trying to install packages in a chroot, and I am running into issues with dpkg whereby it doesn't consider packages "configured" since the postinst fails for them
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09:34<jspiros>as an example, bind's postinst will try to invoke-rc.d to restart, which tries a stop, which tries to kill all bind instances running, and I have a bind instance running outside of the chroot
09:34<jspiros>I am doing this to set up a bootable installation, so I'd like to get around this
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09:44<diego__>Hi, I have this stupid problem with vnc ... sometimes it stops accepting my keyboard ... I can still access with ssh and restart X if I want but it will close all my programs
09:44<diego__>I can get the keyboard back by going to the computer (in person) and pressing ctrl + alt + f1 / ctrl + alt + f7
09:45<diego__>but not remotely :( , any way to restart the keyboard from my ssh
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09:47<lancelot_of>i'm still in trouble...i can't change icon thems in my gtk apps. I changed .gtkrc-2.0 and .gtkrc-2.0.mine but nohing happens...what i'm missing?
09:48<lancelot_of> and
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09:52<koollman>I need someone to explain me the (short) answer to a reported whois bug ... ... (ok, not really explain, but tell me what else I could do to get this fixed)
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09:55<diego__>Hi, I have this stupid problem with vnc ... sometimes it stops accepting my keyboard ... I can still access with ssh and restart X if I want but it will close all my programs (I can get the keyboard back by going to the computer (in person) and pressing ctrl + alt + f1 / ctrl + alt + f7... but not remotely :( , any way to restart the keyboard from my ssh)
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09:59<rafaelc>hello; how do I switch /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver to the package maintainer's default?
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10:00<lancelot_of>no asnwers for me?
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10:19<babilen>rafaelc: You mean you want the original configuration file back and you changed the file?
10:19<babilen>!tell rafaelc about confmiss
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10:20<babilen>rafaelc: Just reinstall "gnome-screensaver" with "--force-confmiss" as explained in the factoid
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10:21<babilen>koollman: Marco is encouraging the reporter to submit a patch for whois that fixes this problem.
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10:22<babilen>koollman: Or he suggests to install a newer version of whois ... not sure which one it is. The latter assumes that whois has already been patched, but that the version the bug reporter is using does not yet use that patch
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10:33<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>.
10:34<koollman>babilen: well, it has not been patched afaik. (or not in stable, at least). So I suppose I should submit a patch... or submit a request to get a more recent version (I suppose upstream works fine)
10:34<koollman>babilen: (and 'the reporter' is ... me ;) )
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10:37<babilen>koollman: Ah, that explains your need for further explanations :)
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10:38<babilen>koollman: A patched version will never be in Lenny. If it is indeed fixed in a newer version available in Squeeze, the bug should be closed.
10:38<babilen>Give me a second, I'll try to reproduce it here.
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10:40<babilen>koollman: Well, it works perfectly here. (whois 5.0.10)
10:40<babilen>koollman: You should probably close the bug as it only applies to the Lenny version.
10:41<koollman>well, it's not my fault that lenny is the stable release :)
10:41<koollman>but, ok, I can understand that
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10:41<babilen>The world will be a better place once Squeeze is released!
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10:42<koollman>I'm sure it will be. for a while.
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10:42<jspiros>How can I see the release that my installed packages are from?
10:42<jspiros>I have some from lenny, some from squeeze, some from sid... and I'd like to know which is which
10:43<tosted>How can i mount SD cards on debian?
10:43<babilen>koollman: It is just that only security and critical bugs are fixed in stable. New features go into the development version.
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10:43<koollman>babilen: right. but it always hurts to have to backport packets just because something is obviously broken (but not broken enough to tag it critical)
10:43<babilen>jspiros: I use for that. Use it like (e.g.) "listrepositories | grep sid"
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10:44<babilen>koollman: yes, i can understand that.
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10:45<sun>hi i made an ecrypted swap using the installer (however i didn't use all the defaults for the guided partitinoing since i had to keep a vista partition and coudln't use the whole disk). but now when it boots up, it prompts for the pw for the swap partition. id like to have it just use some random encryption insted of asking for the pw. how can i get rid of the pw but keep the swap encrypted?
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10:51<jspiros>babilen: thanks!
10:52<tosted>anyone know how to install mmc/sd driver cards
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10:54<MAXmark>What to do? An internal error has occured and the operation has been aborted.
10:54<MAXmark>Fetch failed: W:Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
10:54<MAXmark>, E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
10:55<jspiros>babilen: Just so I understand, are things that have no repository, and just /var/lib/dpkg/status, things that aren't in the archive anymore?
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10:57<Txt-file1>I changed my kernel today and since then I can't boot anymore. I have my system encrypted with LUKS and a LVM in it. When I try to boot I get:
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11:03<MAXmark>I don t know
11:04<babilen>jspiros: Mos likely, yes
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11:07<babilen>Txt-file1: Probably related to -- I would suggest to use uuids or labels
11:07<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
11:07<dpkg>Labels can be set on some filesystems, enabling referencing via LABEL=foo in <fstab>. To set: Ext{2,3,4}: e2label /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (16 char limit); XFS: xfs_admin -L foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (12 char limit); FAT{16,32}: dosfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (11 char limit); NTFS: ntfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (128 char limit); ReiserFS: reiserfstune -l foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (16 char limit). To mount: mount -L foo dir. See also <uuid>.
11:07<pachu>any good PDF editors and viewers
11:08<babilen>evince, pdftk, okular, xpdf, ...
11:08<babilen>!pdf edit
11:08<dpkg>Editing PDFs isn't that easy as they were more-or-less designed to be a read-only document format. The <pdftk> package allows you to split and merge PDFs, as does the "pdfsam" package. The pdfedit package provides a powerful but quirky PDF editor. OpenOffice draw is also able to import PDFs as text/drawing objects which can allow some editing/commenting to be done. Also ask me about <fill pdf forms>, <pdf>.
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11:11<Txt-file1>babilen: I will try with UUID as soon my backup finished
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11:13<babilen>Txt-file1: That will most probably get rid of your problems. I have the same setup and it works perfectly with UUIDs
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11:14<MAXmark>I have saved only the main repo and deleted others.Now update works perfectly.When will be the final realase Debian 6.0Squeeze?
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11:16<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... See and . See also <guess the release date>.
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11:16<mjt>is there a way to use external (separate) audio file when playing a movie in xine or vlc? similar to mplayer's -audiofile option?
11:17<babilen>MAXmark: Same behaviour with, e.g. or
11:17<pachu>wat does this error mean
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11:17<babilen>mjt: I would try #vlc and #xine over at freenode
11:17<pachu>are you root?
11:18<babilen>pachu: What?
11:18<MAXmark>Thanks for all.Hello from Croatia
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11:18<babilen>MAXmark: You are welcome. Greetings to Croatia!
11:18<pachu>could not lock list directory
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11:18<mjt>babilen: thanks, asking there :)
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11:19<pachu>resource is temporarily unavailable
11:20<pachu>was trying install xpdf then it shows this error could not get lock
11:20<pachu>are you a root?
11:20<pachu>any one help
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11:23<babilen>Why are people so impatient? *sigh*
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11:41<ylmson>anybody here used dvtm?
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11:41<kop>Humm. I tried: /msg dpkg root =~ s/It has been said that root/'root'/ and it says I 'cannot alter locked factoids'. :-P
11:41<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:42<ylmson>thx dpkg, I can't seem to get mouse to work with dvtm, using gpm under plain console.
11:42<kop>ylmson: dpkg is a bot.
11:43<ylmson>kop: nice bot then =P
11:43<kop>dpkg: nice bot
11:43<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, kop
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11:43<ylmson>dpkg: hi =)
11:43<dpkg>ylmson: are you smoking crack?
11:43<kop>!msg the bot
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11:44<ylmson>wow, the bot really chats
11:44<kop>ylmson: gpm is for a console, not a window mangager. Or so I recall.
11:45<ylmson>kop: I know, dvtm is the window manager
11:45<ylmson>kop: actually it's a 'window manager' for the console
11:45<kop>ylmson: And it does not do mouse itself?
11:45<ylmson>just tried it and seems pretty sweet, except no mouse support while it claims to have it :(
11:45<kop>ylmson: See also "screen".
11:46<ylmson>kop: I tried stopping gpm and running again, still no use
11:46<fossiiil>ylmson: does it support a VR helmet?
11:46<ylmson>fossiiil: good question :D
11:46<kop>ylmson: I would think that as a "window manager" it would do it's own mouse thing. Maybe try having gpm uninstalled and then start it.
11:47<ylmson>btw, does screen support any sort of tiling?
11:47<ylmson>like having two windows on the same screen
11:47<ylmson>that's the feature I liked in dvtm
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11:47<jhutchins_lt>ylmson: So gpm works in the console but not in dvtm?
11:48<vedbmak>äîáðûé âå÷åð
11:48<babilen>ylmson: Is it better than tmux? (Just curious)
11:48<ylmson>jhutchins_lt: mouse moves and everything in dvtm, but I can't click windows to focus
11:48<fossiiil>tyranosaurus mux
11:48<ylmson>babilen: hmm, I didn't know tmux before
11:48<jhutchins_lt>You might try stopping gpm before starting dvtm.
11:49<ylmson>jhutchins_lt: that's what I tried, it just makes the mouse totally disappear
11:49<jhutchins_lt>Looks like you'll need to dig into the dvtm docs then.
11:50<ylmson>actually reading /usr/shar/doc now..
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11:50<ylmson>the man page says something about mouse toggling, but that hotkey doesn't do anything for me
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11:51<ylmson>seems like there are undocumented stuff, too. Like Mod-? opens a window with the man page. o.o
11:53<ylmson>I think it might be possible that the mouse support is referring to when you are running an X terminal? :/
11:54<petemc>or gpm
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11:55<vedbmak>Excuse for my English, please, help me. i have some debian server with postfix+dovecot. today it has broken. My mail client has ceased to take away and send letters from the server. But I see that they are on the server in Maildir
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11:56<ylmson>well, at least the gpm copy-paste seems to work, that's pretty much the only thing I can't live without
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11:56<ylmson>I guess I'll stick with keyboard shortcuts for others
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11:58<kop>vedbmak: What do the logs say? (Type '/msg dpkg pastebin' to see how to post logs for us to examine.)
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11:59<vedbmak>ok, one second
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12:17<And1>Hi folks. Got a problem with my sound since the last boot. When playing a song or watching a video or something, I just get a beep out of my speakers. Debian sid here, SB!Live with EMU10K1. Any ideas what I could do?
12:17<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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12:20<And1>Nemoder: 7 doesn't work. Also just a beep.
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12:21<Nemoder>so was it working before and an update killed it?
12:21<jimy>j'ai un modem je veux le faire fonctionné sur ubuntu
12:21<And1>Nemoder: Could be the case, yeah.
12:21<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:22<jimy>please help me!!!
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12:22<Nemoder>And1: are you using a custom kernel? are you sure you have the right driver for your card?
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12:23<And1>Nemoder: I don't use a custom kernel and I think I'm sure I'm using the right driver, at least it worked now for about at least 1 1/2 years.
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12:24<Nemoder>And1: you could try unloading and reloading the driver, see if any errors show up in dmesg
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12:25<Nemoder>And1: do you have any sound servers running? arts/esd/pulse etc
12:26<And1>Nemoder: No, just using alsa here. No pulseaudio or something else.
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12:27<Nemoder>And1: what kernel version are you running?
12:27<And1>Nemoder: 2.6.32-5-amd64
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12:28<And1>Nemoder: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-29
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12:29<Nemoder>you could try a different kernel and see if that helps, or do what I did yesterday and give up on ALSA and install oss4 :)
12:29<And1>Nemoder: Strange, that linux-image-2.6-amd is 2.6.32+28
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12:29<Torsten_W>And1, cat /proc/asound/cards sayes what?
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12:30<And1> 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live! 5.1 [SB0060]
12:30<And1> SB Live! 5.1 [SB0060] (rev.7, serial:0x80611102) at 0x1000, irq 21
12:30<And1> 1 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
12:30<And1> HDA Intel at 0xe2220000 irq 22
12:30<And1>Uh shouldn't paste here, right. Sorry guys.
12:32<And1>Torsten_W: ^
12:32<Torsten_W>you need 2 soundcards?
12:33<And1>No I just need the first.
12:33<Torsten_W>then deactivate your onboard sound in bios, boot and test again
12:34<And1>The second one is on board. - It's ever been activated before, so that should'n be the problem, should it?
12:34<And1>Also to be honest no idea how to deactivate it in the bios, already looked for that about two weeks ago.
12:34<Nemoder>it shouldn't be a problem as long as the cable is plugged into the right card :)
12:35<Torsten_W>it can be a problem
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12:35<Torsten_W>normaly it should not, yes
12:35<Torsten_W>but if there are problems, $user should eliminate all possible side-problems
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12:36<Torsten_W>deactivating the onboard sound would be my first try
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12:36<And1>Didn't find the option in the bios. :/ I'm having an Intel DQ35JO mainboard.
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12:40<cahoot>And1: might try toggle Analog/Digital output in alsamixer
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12:42<And1>cahoot: How?
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12:42<And1>cahoot: Help / manpage doesn't help me.
12:43<And1>Mhh, in alsamixer there's "Chip: SigmaTel STAC9708,11"
12:43<And1>Shouldn't it be EMU10k1?
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12:44<Torsten_W>And1, SigmaTel STAC9708,11 is your onboard
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12:44<Torsten_W>and btw, it's the crappyest codec-chip for hda-intel
12:45<And1>alsamixer: "Card: SB Live! 5.1 [SB0060] \\ Chip: SigmaTel STAC9708,11"? :-o
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12:45<And1>When changing to the second card in alsamixer, I see the chip is Realtek ALC268.
12:46<Torsten_W>then the sigmatel is on the sb live
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12:49<And1>But shouldn't that be Emu10k1? Also thought, that was the case in alsamixer. 'hwinfo | grep Sigma' e.g. doesn't find anything.
12:49<Torsten_W>why should it?
12:49<Torsten_W>it's showing the chip on the card
12:49<Torsten_W>even alc268
12:50<Torsten_W>it's the chip for the onboard sound
12:50<And1>Mhm. So how can I find out, why it doesn't work anymore? Maybe an update which came with aptitude?
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12:55<And1>Nemoder, cahoot, Torsten_W:
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12:55<vedbmak>, please, help me. i have some debian server with postfix+dovecot. today it has broken. My mail client has ceased to take away and send letters from the server. But I see that they are on the server in Maildir
12:56<Nemoder>And1: i would think only the kernel upgrade would affect it
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13:00<And1>And when could I expect another update? Or isn't it propably bug or something...
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13:02<Nemoder>And1: could be
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13:05<kd123>what's the difference between squeeze beta1 and squeeze beta2?
13:06<And1>Nemoder: Taking a look, thanks.
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13:12<Darth_Revan>How can I create a sectet key for open key?
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13:19<retrospectacus>Darth_Revan: you mean secret? What is "open key"?
13:20<Darth_Revan>sign I mean =)
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13:21<retrospectacus>you should start over. Don't be afraid to explain as much as possible
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13:23<jordanm>Darth_Revan: gpg --edit-key foo; sign?
13:23<mercutio22>Hi. Gnome is taking forever to start after I input my username and password. I get this in .xsession-errors: gnome-session[3242]: WARNING: Unable to find provider '/usr/bin/compiz' of required component 'windowmanager'
13:23<mercutio22>google reveals this is a bug in gentoo:
13:23<jordanm>mercutio22: what version of debian?
13:24<mercutio22>Debian testing
13:24<jordanm>mercutio22: are you trying to configure gnome to use compiz?
13:24<mercutio22>jordanm: I use compiz with gnome yes. It works, but login takes a long time to finish
13:25<jordanm>mercutio22: does /usr/bin/compiz exist?
13:25<jordanm>,file /usr/bin/compiz --release squeeze
13:25<judd>/usr/bin/compiz in squeeze/i386: compiz-core: usr/bin/compiz
13:26<mercutio22>jordanm: yes. Its a binary file
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13:27<jordanm>not sure then
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13:27<jordanm>compiz will always increase gnome's load time though, as it first loads metacity and then replaces it with compiz
13:28<retrospectacus>mercutio22: does it eventually load up with compiz or metacity? If metacity, can you start compiz?
13:31<mercutio22>retrospectacus: it loads up with compiz
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13:32<retrospectacus>strange. I'm out of ideas :)
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13:37<jordanm>mercutio22: there is always the debian-user mailing list for when IRC resources are exauhsted
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13:39<Darth_Revan>gpg --edit-key foo; sign
13:39<Darth_Revan>gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10; Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
13:39<Darth_Revan>This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
13:39<Darth_Revan>There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
13:39<Darth_Revan>sign: Command not found.
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13:41<jordanm>Darth_Revan: gpg --edit-key brings up an interactive mode. type "sign" from there
13:41<mercutio22>jordanm yeah, I will look into it. Thnx
13:42<xayon>Darth_Revan: That ";" is telling it to stop the gpg command and start the "sign" command, drop that ";" from there
13:42<xayon>It's like echo foo; bar
13:42<xayon>Will tell you "bar: command not found"
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13:55<diego___>ping (ignore)
13:55<dpkg>Yes, retrospectacus, you are online.
13:55<diego___>hi, I need a command to reset the keyboard driver, damn X wont take my keys but console will
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13:56<diego___>(no, I would rather not reboot)
13:56<diego___>(or restart X)
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14:00<retrospectacus>diego___: you could rmmod and insmod the driver?
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14:01<retrospectacus>or type reset in the terminal, what exact problem is occuring?
14:02<diego___>so, I access a computer via ssh (and my gnome using vnc)
14:03<diego___>so I leave some stuff running there (in my gnome) and then connect via ssh, redirect the port over it and use it
14:03<diego___>from time to time
14:03<diego___>the keyboard stops workings
14:03<diego___>and I have to go to my computer (at home) and press ctrl + alt + f1 and then ctrl + alt + f7
14:03<diego___>or keyboard will not work (not over vnc or there)
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14:04<diego___>it seems like a gnome problem more than vnc
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14:05<diego___>yeah , but its happening more usually, its really annoying
14:05<diego___>I can still do whatever I want over ssh
14:05<diego___>but if I restart X then my programs will die
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14:07<retrospectacus>diego___: you may try running things over ssh -X
14:08<retrospectacus>what vnc server using?
14:08<diego___>so, the thing is really that I dont trust the network I'm using here ... so I just leave some stuff logged in at home
14:08<retrospectacus>s/using/are you using/
14:08<diego___>and log in to my home via ssh using one time passwords
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14:09<diego___>if I run things from here, then I should login here ...
14:09<diego___>I dont trust this computer (dont know if there is a keylogger)
14:09<diego___>I just do it to avoid typing passwords (except one time pass)
14:10<diego___>I'm trying to find a way to use my firefox at home already logged in for me
14:10<diego___>without typing a fixed password hehe
14:11<diego___>it works so nice until the keyboard stops working :(
14:12<diego___>but if you have another idea for not typing my gmail password and still login from here , let me know :)
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14:13<retrospectacus>you are still typing it on that local machine :\ it just goes to putty or whatever instead of FF
14:14<retrospectacus>err vnc viewer I guess
14:14<diego___>not typing any fixed password that I care about
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14:14<diego___>I'm using a one time password for ssh
14:14<diego___>and a stupid password for vnc (as the only way is to redirect the port first from ssh)
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14:15<diego___>so I never really type any important password from this computer
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14:16<retrospectacus>and your browser at home is already loggd into gmail so you don't have to type that
14:16<leocade>hello all. is it possible to use nvidia twinview with an ati card?
14:16<diego___>nvidia drivers are for nvidia cards usually ...
14:16<diego___>are you trying to mix nvidia with ati
14:16<leocade>so i would have to use eyefinity?
14:16<diego___>(two cards) ?
14:17<leocade>no i was just reading on some forums i guess they had two different cards. they didnt make it really clear
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14:18<sney>ati's version of twinview is called hydravision in windows, but I'm not sure if it exists on the linux side
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14:19<sney>(haven't ever used multi-monitor with ati on debian)
14:20<leocade>when i installed hydravision on windows it was just a multitasking screen dividing tool
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14:46<retrospectacus>!confuse avinash
14:46<dpkg>Yes, who is their pineapple yesterday, avinash? Wellies of the Monarchy of Tibet with extra herring.
14:47<avinash>any buddy free for chat?
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14:47<dpkg>methinks chat is what we do in #debian-offtopic
14:47<sney>this is not a social channel
14:47<avinash>oh actual i'm new with linux
14:48<avinash>sney are you m or f?
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14:48<retrospectacus>avinash: please carefully read again what has been said
14:49<sney>men men men men I'm a man just like all these men. if you're a lost and confused foreigner looking for girls to chat with, this is not where you will find any, I don't think
14:49<avinash>oh sry buddy
14:49<avinash>r u from sney?
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14:50<gruetzkopf>come on, social chat on offtopic chans
14:50<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
14:51<sney>he's probably on ubuntu as well if he came in here by accident
14:51<avinash>hello sney
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14:51<gruetzkopf>x-chat in debian autojoins here, if you just click next...
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14:53<sney>ubuntu users are the ones who are paying less attention, though, and their xchat install has the same behaviour
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15:40<amoe>Are "me too" messages generally discouraged in the debian BTS?
15:41<MeglaW>me too
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15:43<amoe>I am guessing so. It would be cool to have some feature like launchpad has: "this bug affects N people"
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16:00<Isabella>tem alguem ai ??
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16:22*jspiros just converted his i386 installation to amd64
16:22<jspiros>I never want to do that again :(
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16:24<devil>conveted? i'd ust reinstall :)
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16:27<chomwitt>debian lenny mounts automatically an external ext4 hard drive with root permissions. how can i change that?
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16:40<jspiros>devil: I needed to minimize downtime so I bootstrapped and migrated settings and data over in a chroot
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16:43<Torsten_W>chomwitt, set new permissions with chown/chmod
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16:45<Xeross>Hmm I keep getting Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check.
16:45<Xeross>I can fix it by chowning /dev/pts/0 but it pops up every time I try to reattach screen
16:45<Xeross>through sudo
16:46<Xeross>sudo -u USER screen -r generates the error
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16:48<chomwitt>Torsten_W: to what? i want the external's drive ext4 partition to be mounted as the current user every time automaticaly.
16:48<Torsten_W>chomwitt, linux-fs == linux-rights
16:49<Torsten_W>chomwitt, so there is no mountoption for your wish
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16:49<Torsten_W>chomwitt, so set as root your user as owner with chown
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16:56<chomwitt>Torsten_W: thanks it worked.
16:56<atporter>so... how can I tell if a system is lenny or squeeze? lsb_release seems... confused
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16:58<netgod>cat /etc/debian_version?
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17:00<Aleric>Is this a problem:
17:00<Aleric>[ 0.396213] pci 0000:04:01.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xfeae0000-0xfeae7fff]
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17:01<Aleric>[ 10.636965] ACPI: I/O resource 0000:00:1f.3 [0x400-0x41f] conflicts with ACPI region SMRG [0x400-0x40f]
17:01<chomwitt>Torsten_W: but why a usb flash (with fat) would mount automatically under current user but my external harddrive ext4 partition under root ?
17:01<Aleric>[ 12.635205] ACPI: I/O resource w83627ehf [0x295-0x296] conflicts with ACPI region HWRE [0x290-0x299]
17:02<Torsten_W>chomwitt, vfat isn't a linux-fs
17:02<Aleric>My system is unstable :/ .. Trying to find out what might cause it.
17:02<Torsten_W>chomwitt, rights are given by mountoptions
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17:02<Torsten_W>Aleric, you use lm-sensors?
17:03<Torsten_W>purge it, the message will gone ;)
17:03<chomwitt>Torsten_W: so the defaults options in my case are responsible for mounting under root ?
17:03<Aleric>But I like it :/
17:03<Torsten_W>chomwitt, what?
17:03<Torsten_W>chomwitt, the ext4 was created by root
17:04<Torsten_W>chomwitt, so the owner is root
17:04<Aleric>Is the conflict really a problem? Everything seems to work, except that sometimes the 3D part of my video card locks up and I have to hard reset to get it working again
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17:06<chomwitt>Torsten_W: I get it. gparted did that formating under root , so know root owns that partition. So now that i made the change you said (with chown chgrp )it'll be permantly. right?
17:06<Torsten_W>yes, it's permanent
17:06<Torsten_W>and this is the problem
17:07<Torsten_W>on another computer, where the user not exists, the partition is inaccessable to
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17:07<chomwitt>Torsten_W: So in general is there a solution to that?
17:07<Torsten_W>not realy
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17:08<Torsten_W>maybe give the group users all rights and be sure, ownership of the partition is username:users
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17:14<chomwitt>Torsten_W: What about give other users rw permissions?
17:14<Torsten_W>your data, your risk
17:14<Torsten_W>do, whatever you want
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17:16*chomwitt thanks Torsten_W for helping understand some basic mounting filesystem facts that had become entangled and messed up in my mind! :-)
17:16<Aleric>Torsten_W: I can't seem to confirm that I'm using lm_sensors ... is there a way to check with commandline commands what is causing my error?
17:17<Aleric>I am using gkrellm though which displays the cpu core temperatures (and the GPU temp).
17:17<Aleric>I'd strongly prefer to keep a monitor of those temps.
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17:18<newbie|2>someone there
17:18<newbie|2>i try to install debian from usb
17:19<newbie|2>it booted normally but when i clicked load component from cd
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17:19<newbie|2>it givres error no common cd rom was detected
17:19<newbie|2>what does that measn
17:19<jhutchins_lt>newbie|2: What guide are you following?
17:20<newbie|2>i just use un
17:20<jhutchins_lt>!usb install
17:20<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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17:22<Aleric>Torsten_W: I already Googled and was reading stuff.. but nothing is clear to me :/
17:22<newbie|3>i just use universal usb installer
17:22<Ne0WizArd>installed compiz on debian but cant see the effects tab on appearance preferences
17:22<newbie|3>i didnt follow any gfuide
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17:26<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: dpkg -l | grep sensors ; ps ax | grep sensor
17:27<jhutchins_lt>newbie|3: That is why you have not succeeded. Follow the guides and all will be well. The Debian USB installer images require that you mount the drive after you copy the imaegt to it, and copy an iso for the business card or netinstall CD to the drive.
17:28<jhutchins_lt>(You can do the full install if the USB drive is big enough)
17:28<jhutchins_lt>newbie|3: unetbootin also works
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17:28<jhutchins_lt>newbie|3: It creates a working installer.
17:28<jhutchins_lt>!tell newbie|3 about install guide
17:29<newbie|3>in creates workin g instasller hmm
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17:30<ylmson>is there any support for code page CP437 in console-setup?
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19:57<rodrigo>SPEAK portuguese?
19:57<cesurasean>Can someone please tell me when i run the top command, i get this: 'xterm': unknown terminal type.
19:57<rodrigo>or spanish
19:57<rodrigo>I want to install My web cam
19:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:58<retrospectacus>rodrigo: english only here. What webcam?
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19:59<rodrigo>of creaty
20:00<rodrigo>you know how install it
20:00<retrospectacus>rodrigo: What webcam?
20:00<cesurasean>Can someone help me out with my question?
20:00<rodrigo>i don't know
20:01<rodrigo>is creaty
20:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:02<retrospectacus>rodrigo: after you plug it in (USB?) what does it say in "dmesg|tail" (run that in a terminal)? Please make a paste on
20:03<cesurasean>I can't run the top command on squeeze! Can someone please help me out? i get this: 'xterm': unknown terminal type.
20:04<yoshio>cesurasean, when I type "echo $TERM", it gives me xterm, and top runs fine for me
20:05<retrospectacus>cesurasean, same here (what yoshio said)
20:05<cesurasean>how do i fix my problem?
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20:05<retrospectacus>cesurasean: try TERM='' top
20:06<retrospectacus>rodrigo, yes?
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20:06<cesurasean>TERM='' top?
20:06<rodrigo>already installed the cheese and I could not install my web cam.
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20:06<yoshio>cesurasean, type TERM=vt100 top
20:06<retrospectacus>cesurasean, well I ran that myself and it said: TERM environment variable not set.
20:06<retrospectacus>yeah try that
20:07<retrospectacus>rodrigo: read what I already said to you.
20:07<cesurasean>how do i set TERM=vt100 permanently?
20:08<yoshio>don't think you want that permanently, 'xterm' should be fine as a value for TERM
20:08<cesurasean>why am i having to do this command to run top?
20:08<retrospectacus>that is the question
20:09<rodrigo>has another way to install the cam?
20:10<rodrigo>sem ser pelo cheese
20:10<rodrigo>without the cheese
20:10<yoshio>cesurasean, type "ls /lib/terminfo/x", do you see xterm files in there? (I read /etc/terminfo/README)
20:10<retrospectacus>rodrigo, if you can't answer the simple questions I already asked you, I can't help you
20:11<rodrigo>but what's the question?
20:11<rodrigo>i'm sorry.
20:11<yoshio>cesurasean, do you have the package ncurses-base installed?
20:11<yoshio>on squeeze
20:12<rodrigo>retro help me please!
20:13<cesurasean>already newest version
20:13<rodrigo>I installed the new version today
20:13<cesurasean>just reinstalled it, no success
20:14<rodrigo>any difference?
20:16<yoshio>rodrigo, does 'lsusb' show you your camera?
20:17<rodrigo>now i understand
20:18<rodrigo>Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1c4f:0003 SiGma Micro HID controller
20:18<rodrigo>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
20:18<rodrigo>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
20:18<rodrigo>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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20:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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20:27<retrospectacus>rodrigo: after you plug it in (USB?) what does it say in "dmesg|tail" (run that in a terminal)? Please make a paste on
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20:41<yoshio>cesurasean, you are using X, right? are you using a shell other than bash?
20:43<cesurasean>well, putty
20:43<cesurasean>my other boxes work fine, just not this one
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20:50<yoshio>cesurasean, try TERM=putty top
20:51<cesurasean>vt100 works fine
20:51<cesurasean>just doesnt stay perm
20:52<cesurasean>when i close the ssh session, i have to retype that
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20:53<yoshio>no, try TERM=putty top -- does that work? if it does, then maybe you should export TERM=putty at the beginning of your putty session
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21:56<leocade>is anyone familiar with fbmerge? i can't seem to find how to use it
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22:14<leocade>how do i enable gnome control center and disable xfce's settings manager?
22:14<leocade>for display
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22:27<mark000091>is anybody here ?
22:28<abrotman>lots of people
22:29<mark000091>it is my first time
22:29<mark000091>i have backtrack onli 2 days
22:29<mark000091>and i want help about ecrithing :P
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22:30<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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22:31<mark000091>from where are you ?
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22:32<mark000091>hi jamuraa
22:32<mark000091>where are you from ?
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22:33<mark000091>hi alvarezp
22:34<alvarezp>hi mark000091
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22:34<mark000091>where are you from
22:34<mark000091>hi :)
22:34<leocade>dont talk about that. youll get yelled at :P talk about debian problems
22:35<mark000091>me ?
22:35<mark000091>i have not debian :(
22:35<leocade>speaking of which. i can't get gnome display-properties to work with xfce
22:35<abrotman>mark000091: this is not a social channel
22:36<mark000091>oh sorry
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22:36<mark000091>here is only for debian ?
22:37<leocade>when you enter the channel it tells you the topic of discussion
22:38<mark000091>ok sorry maybe i did see it
22:38<abrotman>it's not "where are you from" and it's *definitely* not backtrack
22:38<mark000091>do you know where i can go for back track ?
22:39<leocade>xchat at the top left and network list
22:39<leocade>youll remain in this channel though unless you manually disconnect from it
22:40<mark000091>and i have 3 green
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22:41<mark000091>and weasel
22:41<abrotman>mark000091: please be quiet
22:42<mark000091>ok ok sorry i quit
22:42<abrotman>mark000091: /server .. then /join #backtrack-linux
22:42<mark000091>thank you very mats
22:43<leocade>im having trouble using gnome-display-properties with xfce. since xfce doesnt detect my other monitor in its desplay proprties, i downloaded gnome control center and tried changing it from there (because when i use gnome by itself my dual monitor works) howver when i try to configure the monitors and i uncheck "same image on all monitors" and adjust the resolution, it does not "apply" and save changes
22:44<leocade>see ya
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22:53<mark00091>hi again
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22:54<mark00091>there where you send , i am alone :'(
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22:55<mark00091>look we can do samething ealse
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22:55<mark00091>what softwear have you ?
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23:00<xayon>mark00091: did you already solve your problem with backtrack? Also, do you know something about irc? I mean, you seem to just look for some unformal chat, then this is not the channel
23:01<mark00091>and ehere i must to go ?
23:02<Hydroxide>mark00091: for social chat on OFTC, you can go to #moocows
23:03<xayon>Oh! I forgot about moocow channel long time ago, lets go there
23:03<mark00091>and i will not be alone there e?
23:04<mark00091>aaa #moocows is channel or server ?
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23:46<ubuntu>hi all
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23:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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