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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-12-19

---Logopened Sun Dec 19 00:00:05 2010
00:15<dieselnut>So what command am I running to update the loader?
00:16<dieselnut>(I got the box booted with a squeeze install CD)
00:16<dieselnut>(got my / mounted)
00:17<dieselnut>Holy crap I think that worked!
00:17<dieselnut>Dudes! My box is back :-D
00:18<dieselnut>Granted, I had backups, but still
00:18<dieselnut>Takes for ever to customize everything if I had to do a reinstall
00:18<dieselnut>At least now I have a Squeeze CD :)
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00:18<dieselnut>Interestingly, I think the ext3 -> ext4 Wiki ( is missing a step
00:19<dieselnut>It doesn't talk about updating the ramfs
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01:31<mansi>Hi friends, I just need to control the memory usage of dansguardian, any idea please?
01:32<mansi>Lot of empty RAM, but dg alsways sticking to 70 MB, hence performance is slow
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01:43<rootJohnnyboyxd>ke pedo
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01:45<OsirisX>do kernel parameters get passed to modules?
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01:45<OsirisX>i.e. those specified in grub
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02:18<MeglaW>nice nick. :)
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02:19<mitnick>you know a good tool for benchmark?
02:19<mitnick>i wanna test my hardware
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02:23<mitnick>for 64 bits is not free :/
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02:54<dominick>Hi! How do I add an iso repository in sources.list?
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03:20<LR>Hi, I have a Monitor and a TV on my lenny connected to my ATI X1650, I tried to configure clone o dual monitor from not proprietary driver but I see desync images on TV, must I install proprietary driver to do that???
03:21<LR>tv is connected from Svideo plug and I use an rca adapter to connetct to TV
03:21<stitch>LR: what resolution is the TV set at?
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03:22<LR>since boot video clone works, after xorg gnome login loads gone wrong
03:22<stitch>LR: and is the TV HD or not?
03:22<LR>TV is 800*600 50 hz max
03:22<stitch>PAL doesn't go to a resolution that high
03:22<LR>monitor 1600*1400 I think
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03:23<LR>pal standard is 640x400
03:23<stitch>lower the resolution before you do anything
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03:23<stitch>but I've connected TV's to SVideo without ATI's drivers just fine before
03:23<LR>If i remember but under windows it work since 800*600
03:23<Kib>Sorry ... I know nothing
03:23<stitch>LR: well if there's flicker you might need ATI's drivers :/
03:23<LR>I tried to scale resolution using xranrd
03:24<LR>I tried to scale resolution and frequency rate
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03:24<LR>but xconf and xranrd command seems don't work
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03:25<LR>must I install ATI proprietary driver?
03:25<LR>I would not do that because ati driver are designed for fedora
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03:25<Kib>Hello, my name is Kiba, though some call me Kib, but also Wolf
03:26<LR>and ati catalyst software seems not gnome compatible (I can't modify settings it mantains max resolution)
03:28<LR>stitch, can you write a right string to connect TV?
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03:29<Kib>Goodbye ¬¬
03:30<LR>is standard old TV
03:30<LR>no HD
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03:30<LR>scart and rca connector
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03:33<LR>What can I do?
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03:33<LR>to solve the inconvenience?
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03:38<LR>ok, I understood... I think I must install proprietary driver :\
03:38<LR>thanks for help
03:38<LR>I install it again
03:38<LR>C U ltr
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03:38<LR>thanks stitch for information
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03:42<hagen>apps doesn't autostart when i start them with gksu. after i enter the password, nothing starts. how can i solve the problem?
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04:32<axon>hello you, i need some quick help. i changed my system from ubuntu to debian 5.0.7. now i want to now how i can quickly add my printer ?
04:33<axon>becuse there's no "printer" tag under system>einstellungen>
04:34<axon>first time he asked me for user and passwort i gave him as usual, now he says : "unable to add printer: forbidden"
04:34<cahoot>axon: tried http://localhost:631?
04:35<axon>what else can i do?
04:35<axon>the printers under localhost:631 seems to be them of my neightbours
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04:36<gil-galad>what printer is that ?
04:37<gil-galad>there is good support for hp ones
04:37<gil-galad>with an utility called hplip
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04:41<cahoot>the printer is connected and recognised according to dmesg?
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07:37<bjakillodeai_hiper>¿como me puedo volver a meter el menu en la barra de arriva?
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08:16<zxd>how do I see the postinstal preinstall - control scripts of an installed package
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08:20<devil>zxd: they live in /var/lib/dpkg/info
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08:34<Kib>... hELLO
08:34<raboof>Hello ...
08:35<Kib>I love Owl City, and you?
08:35<raboof>never heard of it - whatever it is it's probably off-topic here :)
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08:36<Kib>How old are you? =D
08:37<devil>Kib: this is a debian support channel
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08:38<devil>Kib: no chit chat channel
08:38<raboof>Kib: for general chatter, #offtopic might be a more suitable channel
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08:40<Kib>What did I do wrong?
08:41<devil>nothing, if you were in the right channel. this is tech support
08:43<Kib>I do not understand anything, can you explain me please?
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08:46<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
08:47<Kib>I hate you ¬¬ Bye
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08:51<smv>Let's get on topic. Haha. Beside acct and aide, that it's normal to log alot, shorewall is also killing me, because it's loging all the things that are being droped. This makes syslog and kern.log grow alot. What would be a proper way to limit the things that are being writen in syslog and kern.log?
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08:55<vinny>(dual core) with debian squeeze : i have system monitor running, it shows that 1 cpu is running at 100% , the other is OK but none of the applications is using the cpu... anyone as an idea ?
08:56<vinny>application: processes
08:57<Nemoder>perhaps it is a problem with the system monitor, try running htop and see if that shows the same
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09:00<vinny>i found something doing : ps aux
09:00<vinny>root 31996 99.8 0.0 5708 2004 ? RN 07:59 59:36 apt-get -qq -y update
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09:00<vinny>but it doesnt appear on my desktop
09:00<vinny>99.8 is the cpu row
09:00<Nemoder>do you have the update manager running?
09:01<vinny>well its not.. on the desktop
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09:01<vinny>no signs of it
09:01<vinny>no icons..
09:01<Nemoder>I believe it only has a tray icon
09:02<vinny>but its not theree...
09:03<Nemoder>try ps -A | grep update-manager
09:03<vinny>it does that everytime i use my pc
09:03<vinny>since installing squeeze
09:04<vinny>shows nothing
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09:04<vinny> ps -A | grep apt-get did: 31996 ? 01:04:18 apt-get
09:05<Nemoder>vinny: maybe it is something else then, pastebin your entire process list
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09:06<vinny>to dpkg ?
09:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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09:09<Nemoder>vinny: update-notifier is running that might be it
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09:11<vinny>its running for hours... ?
09:11<Nemoder>sounds like a bug
09:11<Nemoder>or a really slow connection
09:11<vinny>only on 1 cpu
09:11<vinny>is it gonna blow up something ?
09:11<Nemoder>hm but a slow connection wouldn't use up cpu
09:12<vinny>800KB/s dsl
09:12<Nemoder>I believe the notifier is only there to let you know of new releases, it doesn't change anything
09:12<Nemoder>vinny: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
09:12<vinny>how do i do that?
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09:13<raboof>vinny: cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | pastebinit -
09:13<Nemoder>it is just a text file
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09:14<vinny>the cat was misssing :)
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09:16<Kib>Hola ¿quien está en línea?
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09:17<Nemoder>vinny: I suppose it's possible something is wrong with the mirror you are using
09:17<Nemoder>usually such things are fixed pretty quickly though, I have no idea why it would freeze up apt-get though
09:18<Nemoder>vinny: I would just kill that apt-get process and run apt-get update manually to make sure it's ok
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09:21<vinny>ok cpu speed is OK .. thank you
09:22<Nemoder>vinny: did the update complete successfully?
09:22<vinny>i will verify my sources list
09:22<vinny>well ive been doing updates a lot...
09:23<vinny>update-manager wasnt open
09:23<vinny>i dont know
09:23<Nemoder>perhaps update-notifier didn't notice you had an active update going
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09:24<Nemoder>it's supposed to lock to prevent that being a problem, you might browse through your /var/log files and see if there was any mention of it
09:24<vinny>i opened update-manager and there is updates to do now...
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09:35<vinny>can you tell me what is happens when i boot :
09:35<vinny>seems related with my printer
09:39<cahoot>just informational
09:39<vinny>i added something
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09:46<yaro>sorry, can anyone help me with microphone setting? i have installed all libs and i can hear my voice with Analog Mixer (alsamixer), but i can't get it worked in different programms, so what shall i do? I use Debian lenny
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09:57<yaro>ALSA version is 1.0.16
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10:01<Nemoder>yaro: test with arecord first, turn up the volume in the mixer, toggle any boost options and try changing the recording device since it is sometimes misslabeled
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10:14<yaro>record -d 10 -f cd -t wav -D copy foobar.wav
10:14<yaro>oh, sry
10:14<yaro>Nemoder, still nothing...
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10:16<Nemoder>yaro: what sound chipset is it?
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10:17<yaro>Nemoder, but i can hear myself by using the Analog Mixer... so maybe i should change the default device, or something like that...
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10:17<yaro>ADI® AD1988 in Asus M3a32 mvp
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10:24<Nemoder>hm dont know what to tell ya there maybe try a newer kernel. also you might find gnome-alsamixer easier to use
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10:27<Alyosha>hi i have a quick question about apache on my debian
10:27<Alyosha>is here right place or should i go somewhere else?
10:27<Alyosha>sorry on my bad einglish
10:28<Alyosha>and allso i'm very new in linux
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10:31<devil>this is the right place
10:31<Alyosha>anyhow i installed apache and configured it
10:31<Alyosha>when i go on 127.... it works ok
10:31<Alyosha>when i go on my IP it's not working
10:31<Alyosha>it opens some login
10:31<Alyosha>i think for modem
10:32<Alyosha>i tried to add IP in
10:32<Tiff>sounds like you need to port forward 80 to your box, or disable your moden from listening on external port 80 (which it shouldn't anyway) or a combination of both.
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10:33<Alyosha>aham so i have to call my provider or what?
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10:34<Tiff>your ISP could also be redirecting the port to prevent ppl running web servers on it, sure. you kinda need to identify exactly what login screen you're being prompted with and its origin.
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10:36<Alyosha>aaaa it's not modem its router:D
10:36<Alyosha>i forgot i connected thro router not direct to modem
10:36<Alyosha>so i have to foward port :80 on router
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10:37<Tiff>well... yes
10:37<Tiff>the router needs to be configured to forward TCP 80 -> [our local IP]
10:37<Tiff>* your
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10:38<Tiff>but i find it quite strange that instead of dropping the packet its deciding to serve its own login page.
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10:39<Alyosha>router disconected:D
10:39<Alyosha>tnx 4help
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10:50<Alyosha>it's working
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10:52<zem>hi, a question, you put a network card in debian pc, and it's called eth0, you take it out and put another one in, he calls it eth1, so how do you tell debian to forget about eth0?
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10:53<gsimmons>dpkg: tell zem -about 70
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11:08<TIBS01>can someone help me
11:08<TIBS01>whats the command to enable public html folders
11:08<TIBS01>via apache
11:08<TIBS01>in user dirs
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11:10<bahamat>TIBS01: the cryptically named UserDir <dir> directive
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11:11<TIBS01>yeah there is a command tho just to enable them
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11:15<bahamat>TIBS01: it's called vi
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11:17<bahamat>dpkg -l | awk '/apache2-mpm/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg -L | grep mod
11:17<dpkg>No packages found matching | awk '/apache2-mpm/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg -L | grep mod
11:17<bahamat>dpkg: sorry, not you
11:17<dpkg>wish i knew, bahamat
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11:18<yaro>I can't solve my problem... I CAN hear sound when I turn Analog Mix on (in alsamixer), but when i record something, i can't hear nothing (even if i use test recording in System->Settings), Can anyone help me?
11:19<yaro>ALSA 1.0.16
11:19<Ne0WizArd>what software can i use or need to enable the 3g integrated modem on my laptop
11:19<yaro>kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64
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11:23<dvs>yaro: have you unmuted the mic/aux inputs?
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11:25<yaro>dvs: yes sure...
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11:27<yaro>dvs: even if i connect input and output channels in jackd control - it has the same result
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11:30<OsirisX>what's the easiest way to find the active network interface in a script (in my case it could be eth0, wlan0 or hs0 depending on connection method)
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11:39<TIBS01>sudo a2enmod
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12:14<ompaul>OsirisX: can you add in some additional information, all three could be active, you could do a /sbin/ifconfig -a and grep for inet addr where you start with 192 if it is that kind of network, etc
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12:16<OsirisX>ompaul; but only one can be the UG gate way right?
12:16<OsirisX>ompaul: so I guess I could use the output from the route command
12:17<ompaul>OsirisX: yes and that would be useful to do that, I point to your question as lacking enough information for anyone here to work out that you wanted the gateway, it could have been a box on many networks acting as a router ;-)
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12:19<ompaul>OsirisX: the question I have for you is what is the function of the script?
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12:23<OsirisX>ompaul: link layer discovery script - to allow windows 7 machines to detect my linux machine
12:23<OsirisX>ompaul: but it has to be attached to and responding to the right interface to work
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12:27<ompaul>OsirisX: em, I'd be inclined to do this, give the box a static IP on the network you could do it by connection method, or you could give three IPs to the box and allow the windows boxes to test and attach when present to a single IP if it goes away they revert to testing, however windows is not my forte so I won't guess how easy or hard that kind of thing would be
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12:30<Alyosha>hi i have one question
12:30<OsirisX>ompaul: I wouldn't know how to script that in windows either. I am thinking of putting a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and pass the $IFACE variable (populated on connection up) to the script
12:30<Alyosha>can i somehow restore my debian to what it was original?
12:30<Alyosha>i hope you understand what i want:D
12:30<OsirisX>Alyosha: do you have a backup?
12:31<mjt>rm -rf /; reinstall ? :)
12:31<Alyosha>wouldn't say so
12:31<OsirisX>lmao @ mt
12:31<abrotman>mjt: DO NOT SAY THAT
12:31<abrotman>Alyosha: be more specific
12:31<OsirisX>Alyosha: what exactly do you want to restore?
12:31<Alyosha>today i installed apache2 php and some stuff
12:31<Alyosha>i'm new to this
12:31<Alyosha>so i messed up some configs
12:32<Alyosha>it's workign but i would like to start ove
12:32<dpkg>[confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
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12:32<mjt>abrotman: why not?
12:32<OsirisX>Alyosha - glad you mention a specific package - otherwise we could have wiped your entire machine!
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12:32<OsirisX>Alyosha: just purge the package and reinstall it
12:33<Alyosha>it's now a problem if i reinstall cuz there is nothing on it
12:33<OsirisX>Alyosha: you use aptitude?
12:33<abrotman>mjt: because he might actually do it .. don't say that, it's destructive and people have been banned for suggseting it
12:33<Alyosha>i installed today
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12:33<mjt>abrotman: it depends on how badly the install is damaged and how much local data is there.
12:33<Alyosha>OsirisX purge the package?
12:34<abrotman>mjt: do not do it again
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12:34<OsirisX>Alyosha: what did you use to install packages?
12:34<OsirisX>Alyosha: then man apt-get and look for purge
12:34<ompaul>Alyosha: you can do the confnew from dpkg, apt-get remove --purge packagename
12:35<OsirisX>Alyosha: see ompaul's response
12:35<abrotman>i think confnew is not in lenny, but i can't recall
12:36<Alyosha>tnx all:D
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12:36<mjt>abrotman: you're wrong
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12:36<abrotman>mjt: do not do it again .. i'm not going to say it again
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12:37<abrotman>mjt: you don't know who else is reading it and who migh actually try it .. don't say that again
12:37<mjt>that's a perfect way to learn what'll happen
12:37<ompaul>abrotman: old timers disease
12:37<abrotman>mjt: don't do it .. you will be silenced next time
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12:37<locklace>mjt: whoops, you ran afoul of the shriveled husk of abrotman's sense of humour
12:38<abrotman>that's not a sense of humor .. that's a dangerous command, and even in jest, it's not useful in a support channel
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12:39<mjt>abrotman: better ban me right now then. And let's declare #debian now have a dictator. Seriously, this is beyong the usual common sense.
12:39<ompaul>mjt: supposing you were new on a job and saw that on the screen and did it on a production box, you think the person would want to say thanks to you?
12:39<OsirisX>mjt: seriously - you would be reponsible for destroying someones data and effort, just to prove a point
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12:40<mjt>that was a clear joke, with proper smile, a best reply to a badly worded question -- best because it is the ONLY way to get the _original_ state.
12:41<abrotman>no, it's not
12:41<abrotman>Don't suggest it again, end of discussion
12:42<OsirisX>mjt: like it or not the possibility of it not being interpreted as a joke by someone new these forums is quite high
12:43*ompaul sees the word forum and shudders I do IRC cos it ain't ;-)
12:43<mjt>well, i'd say it's a very good thing too: learn to _think_ before running random commands suggested on irc.
12:43<Alyosha>it's me againg
12:43<Alyosha>your sugestion worked
12:43<locklace>mjt: unix wisdom is as dead as unix humour is dying
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12:43<Alyosha>but i still can not remove apache2
12:44<Alyosha>phpmyadmin php5 and some stuff worked
12:44<ompaul>Alyosha: did you stop it?
12:44<OsirisX>mjt: jesus you really miss the point - I am all for teaching lessons through examples - but it is a high price for someone to pay
12:44<abrotman>Alyosha: you want apache2.2-common most likely or php5-common .. those -common packages usually have the config files
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12:45<Alyosha>Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed
12:45<Alyosha>i stoped it now
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12:45<mjt>OsirisX: it's a _small_ price to pay for a very good lesson - it will last and will be useful forever. (And no, I'm not arguing for giving people wrong suggestions.)
12:46<abrotman>Don't suggest it again, end of discussion
12:46<mjt>locklace: i see
12:47<OsirisX>mjt: well If that's how you see it. But seriously if someone in IRC did that to me and I had a way to track them down , I would exact retribution upon them
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12:48<OsirisX>mjt: if you were not able to hide behind anonymity, I doubt you would do it
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12:49<ompaul>mjt: you are free to disagree with others, I would ask you to take this on board, too many new users don't have any of the Unix lore or for that matter GNU/Linux lore, these are no longer the days of measuring larts in ada's on ASR, and as much as I miss those days I would not suggest some of the things they used to back then. Think BOFH v0.99 and what was your username again, great if you understand the gag, but most people would spend effort working it
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12:51<OsirisX>ompaul: you lost me on the BOFH v.0.99
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12:52<ompaul>OsirisX: it was the original bofh papers back about 88 or so, very, very funny, very. very evil. Back when there were few administrators and mostly SYS-OPS and novell.
12:52<r0ger>how is he hiding behind anonymity? unless he's using fake info, enough info for anyone with any skill is in his whois
12:52<ompaul>OsirisX: evil in an engineering sense
12:53<mjt>r0ger: it's trivial to hide on the modern 'net
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12:53<mjt>yes, this is getting offtopic
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12:54<OsirisX>r0ger: it would take more than just skill, to obtain his address, phone number, SS # and things like that
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12:55<ompaul>OsirisX: if you are interested in the history join #debian-offtopic
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14:14<raboof>I can't view the video at with iceweasel. The video is embedded with a SilverLight player - I do have moonlight-plugin-mozilla installed
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14:14<raboof>is this a problem with my machine or with the site? any workaround?
14:15<raboof>(it shows 'Click here to download plugin', but doesn't find any plugin when I do)
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14:33<ebrahim>Hi murmurs
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14:34<murmurs>earlier today, i installed debian (lenny) on my machine. everything went well except it wouldn't recognise my native resolution (1080p) nor gime me audio. my motherboard is an Asus P5Q-EM and I have a perfectly working Ubuntu 10.10 on the same system (triple-booting with Vista/Debian/Ubuntu)
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14:34<murmurs>hi ebrahim
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14:35<ebrahim>murmurs, what's you video card? did you install any video drivers?
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14:37<murmurs>ebrahim I have on-board video and audio (Asus P5Q-EM)
14:37<murmurs>I'll google the audio and video chipset, one mo.
14:37<murmurs>Intel G45 for the video
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14:40<ebrahim>murmurs, well, intel has their video drivers in mainline kernel. It means it should word out of the box AFAIK.
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14:41<murmurs>I can't seem to find any solutions onlinr, just more people experiencing the same issue as me
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14:42<murmurs>I thought Ubuntu and Debian shared much of the same foundations, so I'm puzzled as to why Ubuntu works "out of the box" but Debian not only fails but fails to provide any work-a-round
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14:44<jhutchins_lt>murmurs: Ubuntu is derived from debian, but then they mess with it.
14:45<ebrahim>murmurs, please give me output of "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-* | grep ^i" though some pastebin
14:45<petemc>murmurs: lenny is now nearly 2 years old whereas ubuntu 10.10 is about 2 months old
14:45<jhutchins_lt>murmurs: In particular, the ubuntu standards for software quality and freedom of license are much lower.
14:46<jhutchins_lt>petemc: Which is to say that lenny has had more than 2 years of testing, bug fixes, and refinement.
14:46<murmurs>petemc 2yrs old? hmm, I must have an old cd.
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14:46<petemc>jhutchins_lt: thats not what i meant
14:46<jhutchins_lt>Whereas ubuntu 10.10 is unstable and often breaks.
14:46<jhutchins_lt>petemc: newer != better.
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14:47<murmurs>would I be able to install over the Debian partition without having to re-do Grub (and without breaking either Ubuntu or Vista)??
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14:48<jhutchins_lt>murmurs: Was grub installed from the debian partition?
14:48<murmurs>to be honest, I've messed about a lot with Ubuntu and I have found it more robust and dynamic than vista!
14:48<mjt>what's "dynamic" ?
14:48<jhutchins_lt>Means you can never be sure where it's going to go
14:49<mjt>i'm not sure it's good or bad :)
14:49<murmurs>mjt by that I mean that as I decided to try out LAN webservers and such ... it just met my needs better than Windows
14:50<mjt>well ok ;)
14:50<murmurs>I wanted to see what Debian was like, since I haven't installed it years...
14:50<murmurs>was thinking I'd setup a little webserver in it too
14:50<petemc> murmurs if you have relatively new hardware squeeze may be a better bet
14:51<murmurs>ok, but can I just "install over" the previous Debian / partition?
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14:51<mjt>you can upgrade the previous debian install
14:52<murmurs>how would I do that from the command prompt? (I can't get video to work since I tried an online "fix")
14:53<petemc>murmurs: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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14:54<smv>Anyone knows what might be wrong with the default settings of horde3 in squeeze? I got all the packages required, all services are configured and running, but I can't login and I have no idea where exactly I should look for errors.
14:54<mjt>assuming it was lenny. If it was some earlier version, direct upgrade may work or may not, and there most likely will be problems in kernel and udev areas.
14:54<murmurs>petemc I enter "dpkg->squeeze"?
14:54<jhutchins_lt>Note that squeeze is currently in testing and is regularly broken.
14:55<petemc>murmurs: i was telling you to msg the bot in this channel
14:55<murmurs>mjt I checked the version info, it was lenny
14:55<jhutchins_lt>murmurs: In particular, if you have Intel graphics, you should install it as a boot option, NOT as your main system,
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14:55<jhutchins_lt>Up-to-date lenny is pretty good stuff.
14:56<jhutchins_lt>murmurs: It/s 5.0.7 now, might be worth upgrading.
14:56<smv>petemc, that doesn't seem to be working as expected in squeeze...
14:56<jhutchins_lt>Heh. Squeeze install on a business class line that's at least 5M says 14hrs remaining.
14:56<petemc>smv: what authentication are you using?
14:57<murmurs>jhutchins but lenny doesn't seem to support my Intel g45 graphics chipset
14:58<mjt>jhutchins_lt: have the bug# handy? I remember something was broken wrt some intel graphics cards, does it affect bpo kernel too?
14:58<mjt>hmm. how "bpo" should be named nowadays? bdo?
14:59<jhutchins_lt>mjt: No, and no it doesn't affect bpo. It has to do with kms, but it's the new xorg drivers, particularly for laptops like the 855 and 915.
14:59<jhutchins_lt>bdo, but everybody knows what you mean by bpo.
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14:59<jhutchins_lt>I think it's still bpo in the kernels.
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15:01<no_9>morning debian channel :)
15:01<murmurs>ok, I'm going to download Squeeze and burn it to disc, see if it works.
15:01<smv>petemc, I'm trying to make it work over a kolab install. I got kolab itself and all services related runing, and I can login with any mail client, imap/pop3/smtp. I tought it should have used the LDAP, but I'm sure it's just a PEBKAC. Any hints would be greatly apreciated.
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15:01<jhutchins_lt>Now we are down to 14 min remaining.
15:02<murmurs>btw should I go for ia64 or stick with AMD64 for the distro?
15:02<mjt>ia64 is not your architecture most likely
15:02<mjt>it's itanium
15:02<no_9>i have a problem with runlevels in lenny--when i start in single user mode--then login in and try to switch to runlevel 2 by typing init 2 <enter> , i go to runlevel 5--anyone know what would make that happen?
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15:03<rik_>no_9: what does the 'runlevel' command say about the runlevel you're in?
15:04<no_9>i dunno as i would have to restart the puter to find that out
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15:04<petemc>smv: i havent used hord in a few years and always using imap auth so i wouldnt be much help
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15:04<rik_>in debian,runlevel 2 starts X (if kdm/gdm/xdm is configured/installed). Maybe you're confused as in other distributions X is started in runlevel 5?
15:05<murmurs>mjt thanks, I cancelled out of that. will go with AMD4
15:05<no_9>oh---that is it then--so youre saying--thats normal for x to start in runlevel 2?
15:05<smv>petemc, wat was needed to make the imap auth work?
15:05<rik_>yes, if xdm/gdm/kdm is installed
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15:05<petemc>smv: tell it where the imap server was
15:05<no_9>yes kdm is installed
15:06<rik_>no_9: that explains it
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15:06<no_9>ok well thats good--so things arent as bad as i thought--now tell me why i cant get bluetooth working in runlevel1 :P
15:07<murmurs>thanks all
15:07<murmurs>gonna go install now
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15:11<smv>petemc, might be the fact that everything in horde3/hooks.php is commented?
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15:14<petemc>smv: i dont recall having to edit that, but as i say its been a while , doesnt kolab have its own web interface?
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15:16<smv>petemc, it has, but nothing for configuring horde.
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15:37<bognu>Hello, I know some might get angry but the question is also concerning Debian. I look for some hints to compile my c++ code on Debian for Windows exe. Any hints? Is mingw the right word to search infos?
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15:39<raboof>bognu: yes, mingw is the usual way to cross-compile iirc
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15:40<raboof>bognu: 'i386-mingw32-gcc winhello.c -o winhello.exe' - something like that
15:42<bognu>raboof, thx... this really helps cause I'm still a n00b in compiling in general
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16:57<intelivizion> -- free south america underground electronics
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17:16<netbeast>hello all
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17:16<netbeast>what would cause libgphoto2.2 to cause my camera to stop working with the system
17:17<Lethalman>netbeast, the fact that only one application at once can access the camera
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17:17<netbeast>no this application causes the system period to use i cant even use cheese the system wont even see the camera anymore
17:18<netbeast>took me along time to find this problem i couldnt even ubuntu because it comes preinstalled linux-mintdebian was the only version that the camera works on till they sent me a update with that program
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17:20<netbeast>its fine now i just ignore that update but wow was i pissed i had to reinsstall and spend 40 hrs going one by one on the updates i have 597 updates to find out what was causing it
17:22<netbeast>forums are down again
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17:40<prahal_>netbeast, the camera and gphoto ?
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17:41<prahal_>ie gphoto is for photo not video camera
17:41<netbeast>libgphoto2-2 messed my webcam up
17:42<netbeast>i looked under it says my camera is expirmental but the files that it installs on the os makes it so the camera wouldnt work it make your camera like a storage device
17:42<netbeast>the problem is ubuntu it comes preinstalled
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17:43<prahal_>is it a simple webcam ? only does video ?
17:43<prahal_>on ubuntu only ?
17:43<netbeast>its a old webcam
17:43<netbeast>ya ubuntu camera didnt work at all
17:43<netbeast>and linux-mint ubuntu it didnt work
17:43<netbeast>then i installed linux-mint debian it worked
17:43<prahal_>ok and it works somewhat with debian
17:44<netbeast>ya till i got that file libgphoto
17:44<netbeast>so i think that the other os have it preinstalled
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17:44<prahal_>then it is udev rules , ie the thing that help the programs binding to devices
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17:45<prahal_>yes though the issue we could track here is why it fails on debian when libgphoto2-2 is installed
17:46<netbeast>ya well im using that somehow that program interacts or builds it self into the way the os operates
17:47<netbeast>maybe it makes the camera busy so nothing else can use it
17:47<prahal_>yes but it is not supposed to break anything (and it gives the ability to work with photo devices
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17:48<prahal_>what I am wondering is if your webcam also does photo and that maybe it could be switched one way or the other (ie photo or video
17:48<netbeast>maybe its not the program maybe its a update file that updates a system file
17:48<netbeast>it has composite video ya
17:48<netbeast>well in windows i get composite and video and still images
17:49<netbeast>its a creative pc cam 300
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17:49<prahal_>ok it is one of those you can bring with you to take shots
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17:50<netbeast>the thing is the os still sees the camera under lsusb but no app can use it
17:50<prahal_>ok so very likely either there is a bug in the system to switch from one state to the other or there is no way yet to do so automagically
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17:51<prahal_>a lot of 3G dongle have the same issue . We use usb-modeswitch to handle such issues for those
17:52<netbeast>i just upgraded that today
17:52<prahal_>ie they do usb disk or 3G device .
17:52<prahal_>yes but if you did not had gphoto installed the issue was hidden
17:52<netbeast>well i did 596 upgrades the 7th being the bad one
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17:52<prahal_>ie the device was in video mode and never switched to photo
17:52<netbeast>ya that could be whats its doing
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17:53<netbeast>i know what your saying now
17:53<prahal_>you should report a bug to libgphoto2-2 . It will be reassigned if it is not the root cause
17:53<netbeast>ya im going to do that
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17:54<netbeast>that software put my camera in pic mode and not into video mode so when cheese trys to access it its in the wrong mode
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17:54<netbeast>did i get that right?
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17:54<prahal_>because it will require a lot of attention and currently I miss such a device and dedicate my time to gnome3 stuff :-/
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17:55<netbeast>ya because my came is expirmental under there project
17:57<prahal_>you could try usb-modeswitch package ("zless /usr/share/doc/usb-modeswitch/README.gz" section "Contribute")
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17:58<prahal_>well you could just note the vendor and product id when gphoto is installed and when it is not
17:59<prahal_>because I just saw that their contribute notes requires windows
17:59<prahal_>and as gphoto already flip the device into the pic state , the usb product id (available via lsusb) should change
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18:00<prahal_>then it would just be a matter of adding the id to usb-modeswitch and adding telling libgphoto2-2 to at least recommand it
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18:03<netbeast>ya i wrote them and told them
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18:04<TIBS01>anyone know how i get a secondry hard drive
18:04<TIBS01>tobe shared on the /home dir
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18:06<nevyn_>TIBS01: read the disk-upgrade howto
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18:06<tANk3R>what is the relationship of Linux to MINIX?
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18:14<TIBS01>if i edit /etc/fstab
18:15<TIBS01>and add hdb into the config
18:15<TIBS01>would that work
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18:30<bahamat>TIBS01: shutdown, attach your drive and boot to single user mode
18:31<bahamat>TIBS01: rename /home to /home2
18:31<bahamat>TIBS01: add the new disk to /etc/fstab mounted on /home
18:31<bahamat>rsync -av --partial --progress /home2 /home
18:31<TIBS01>ok sorted
18:32<TIBS01>only one more thing
18:32<TIBS01>what packages does eggdrops need to run
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18:33<bahamat>apt-cache show eggdrop | grep -i depends
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18:47<dpkg>hello, zumbi
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18:51<netbeast>does anyone use linux-mint
18:51<YourNick>alguem pode me ajudar formatei um pendrive e instalei uma partiçao debian nele agora ele nao funciona e nao consigo reverter
18:51<f8l>!tell netbeast about mint
18:51<netbeast>im trying to download the mintdesktop but it gives me a aerror
18:54<YourNick>Can someone help me format a thumb drive and installed a partition debian on it now it does not work and I can not understand anything and not revert d debian and not have it installed, I want the process by xp
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19:22<TaZeR>i just wanted to tell u guys that there is this cool linux its called ubuntu
19:22<TaZeR>and it takes debian and puts it in its ass
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19:23<soloflyer>i see
19:23<ptr>said the blind man
19:23<TaZeR>its true man im not a hater
19:23<ptr>as he picked up the hammer and saw
19:23<TaZeR>no im not mjigsaw
19:23<TaZeR>i am a visionaree\
19:23<TaZeR>a great one that sees linux distros for what they really are
19:23<ptr>which is?
19:24<soloflyer>a colaboration of effort?
19:24<TaZeR>ubuntu has all the fight right now
19:24<TaZeR>im not saying it will last forever
19:24<TaZeR>but u cant fight it now
19:24<ptr>they've made some questionable decisions though
19:24<ptr>which may bite them in the end
19:24<TaZeR>they are the most user friendly, user friendly = humans
19:25<TaZeR>u want humans to use the os right?
19:25<soloflyer>debian and ubuntu are differnt
19:25<ptr>absolutely so
19:25<TaZeR>debian and ubuntu the problem is they are the same
19:25<ptr>and my guess is that debian is not planning to move away from x11
19:25<ptr>among other things
19:25<TaZeR>debian cant live because ubuntu has copied everything good debian had
19:25<TaZeR>and now its evolved
19:26<aflag>TaZeR: you're a visionare, right?
19:26<ptr>ubuntu is based on the work of the debian project. They couldn't function without it. I doubt debian is going anywhere.
19:26<TaZeR>some might call me that yes
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19:26<aflag>can you, like, see the future?
19:26<TaZeR>yes i can see the future one possible future anyway
19:26<aflag>that's totally awesome, dude
19:27<aflag>I saw this movie with nicolas cage the other day, can you do that?
19:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
19:27<TaZeR>next lol? im a nich cage fan but its more than that it brings a heavy burden to the soul
19:28<TaZeR>nicholas cage is hot and i wanna suck his cock
19:28<TaZeR>i didnt mean to type that
19:29<TaZeR>hey dpkg
19:29<ptr>.... is a bot.
19:29<TaZeR>i know it
19:29<TaZeR>fuckin bastard
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19:30<TaZeR>dpkg suck my std fuckin cock
19:30*dpkg sucks my std fuckin cock's forehead
19:30<kyle6513>uh huh.
19:30<TaZeR>lol wat a dumb bot
19:30<dpkg>it has been said that language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
19:30<TaZeR>its all for me
19:31<TaZeR>i am god here!
19:31<TaZeR>i can rape 11 year old girls
19:31<qq->!ops TaZeR troll
19:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: TaZeR troll
19:31<TaZeR>cuz its just sexy
19:31<ptr>thanks, qq-
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19:31<TaZeR> /ban ptr just so
19:31<TaZeR>oh ok
19:32<TaZeR>i thought they made me op
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19:32<kyle6513>why would they do that?
19:32<TaZeR>he said some very bad things about my character
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19:33<TaZeR>wtf u say?
19:33<TaZeR>u wanna get banned boy
19:33<TaZeR>im not an op am i?
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19:33<TaZeR>this is getting very bad for me real quick
19:34<TaZeR>anytime casss
19:34<TaZeR>zap me with ur angel mogo
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19:35<TaZeR>see im important i talk to angels
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19:35<TaZeR>about the apocalypse u fuckin tards
19:35<TaZeR>im the one whos gonna stop it
19:36<TaZeR>ubuntu >>>> debian
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19:39<kyle6513>i must say, fail troll is fail.
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19:44<ptr>thanks, Hydroxide :)
19:44<keret>Hi all, I use Epiphany-browser 2.22.3 in Debian Lenny 5.0.7, daily updated. Sometimes the download pause button works, often not. It is a bug?
19:44<Hydroxide>np :)
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19:47<Roofus901>hi hi
19:47<Roofus901>anyone here?
19:48<Hydroxide>Roofus901: people are here.
19:48<Roofus901>hi Hudro
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19:49<Roofus901>got a quick question actually m8, does squeeze support the burg bootloader? and if not, is there an alternative to a graphical bootloader?
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19:49<Hydroxide>Roofus901: I have no idea about burg. is that some variation of grub? anyway, you can certainly disable the flashy space scene
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19:50<Roofus901>ya, it's a mod to grub, it basically just makes it "pretty". kind of like the chameleon bootloader for the osx86 project
19:51<Hydroxide>Roofus901: debian doesn't provide that as far as I know, though if you installed it separately it might work and wouldn't prevent debian from supporting the rest of your system. (unless it does way more than I'd expect for a grub mod)
19:51<Hydroxide>Roofus901: Debian's grub (grub2, not 0.97 legacy grub) also supports nice graphical themes though
19:52<Roofus901>nice, does lenny have support for grub2 or should i updat to squeeze? and while on that note, how stable is squeeze at this present time, because i've been looking forward to it's release :D
19:53<Hydroxide>Roofus901: lenny offers grub2 as well. it's in the grub-pc package, as opposed to the 'grub' package which is the legacy version. it has some logic assist you in doing a (reversible) conversion
19:53<mu3en>awesome stable (and using kde4.5 too...)
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19:54<Hydroxide>Roofus901: and it's quite stable - it's already in deep freeze, and will release as soon as a few more bugs are fixed and things like security team support are in place
19:54<Roofus901>oh awesome
19:54<Hydroxide>Roofus901: if you upgrade, follow the directions in the release notes to avoid problems:
19:54<Hydroxide>(always a good bit of advice for any release)
19:55<Hydroxide>good luck!
19:55<Roofus901>true, is it nessicary to add the security repos from lenny still?
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19:56<Roofus901>i can read that part, nvm lol, here's my big question though, i've got a 64-bit capable system, if you where me would you run the 32-bit install or the 64-bit install, both work just fine. the ones more specifically available for me are the i386 insall and the amd64 install
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19:57<Hydroxide>Roofus901: if you're upgrading, you need to stick with whichever one you have installed. if you're reinstalling, they both work fine, though there are some gotchas with a few proprietary things like flash. (still available with some workarounds until adobe gets their act together, or you can use free flash players or none)
19:57<mu3en>4gb+ RAM needs 64bit?
19:58<Hydroxide>mu3en: you need 64bit to have over 4 GB RAM (really the threshhold is a bit lower) in a single process, not total
19:58<Hydroxide>mu3en: but, yes, that limitation goes away in 64bit
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19:59<mu3en>oh. with 32bit my 4gb always showed 3.2. now shows full 4gb with 64bit. could be otherwise related.
20:00<Hydroxide>mu3en: it depends on the kernel you have installed, actually, but what I said is true for squeeze, and for lenny's -bigmem kernel
20:00<Hydroxide>or maybe etch's -bigmem kernel; I forget when that got switched over
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20:01<qq->Hydroxide, ^C0-KerjaJKT will spam .. soon , done that already on #d
20:01<mu3en>just stock 64bit squeeze here works just great
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20:01<Roofus901>alright, i'm going to fresh install, brb
20:02<Roofus901>thx for the help Hydro and input mu3en
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20:02<mu3en>no issues over 32bit anymore it seems compared to three four years back.
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20:06<Hydroxide>mu3en: yeah, flash is the only one I can see
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20:11<XmarineX>flash is easy to get working these days however ;)
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21:35<yimer>hey yall
21:35<yimer>i need some help with crunchbang
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21:35<yimer>anyone there?
21:36<gsimmons>yimer: CruchBang Linux is not supported here, use #crunchbang on for support.
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21:58<hilow>how would i mount sda1 or 2
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22:00<hilow>sudo /dev/sda1 ?
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22:44<Roofus901>hi everyone
22:45<iDos>fuck this im off
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22:46<Roofus901>hi nadir
22:46<Roofus901>what irc client does everyone use? i'm used to mirc on winblows, but on here i don' thave a clue
22:46<nadir>what do you mean: here?
22:46<nadir>you can use the same like always. no?
22:47<Roofus901>i'm on debian man
22:47<Roofus901>and i'm using xchat
22:47<nadir>me too.
22:47<Roofus901>nice, how do you add the user list to the main window?
22:47<nadir>irssi is a cli-client. much more i don'T know.
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22:48<nadir>menu-bar-> view -> user-list. that?
22:48<Roofus901>i see the button for it, but no scroll list unless i click on it, but then it just blows up waaaasy to big
22:48<Roofus901>ya, but it won't stay locked to the window
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22:48<nadir>there is a thread at forums.debian about irc. you got the link?
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22:49<Roofus901>na but i think i might be able to find it
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22:49<nadir>(i for one am sure not the right person to ask about irc-clients)
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22:49<nadir>in the "how-to section" search for craigevil.
22:50<nadir>no problem. in case you can'T find it: i will find it quick. good luck.
22:53<Roofus901>oh nvm, i think they made it like this, it's the xchat-gnome version
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22:53<Roofus901>i have a "number" Users button in the bottom left hand corner
22:53<Roofus901>and when i click on it i can see the actual list
22:53<Roofus901>i suppose that's good enough for me
22:53<Roofus901>no need to see 398 ppl constantly anyway lol
22:53<nadir>good. ha, yes. no need for that.
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22:54<Roofus901>i'm really happy though about this update i just made, i just went from lenny to squeeze and wow m8, what a different
22:55<nadir>the new background and grub theme is a bit strange... no?
22:55<nadir>but i am glad you like it.
22:55<nadir>(squeeze, not the theme...)
22:55<Roofus901>a bit, but i think it fits, do you know if there will be a login theme chooser as in lenny?
22:55<nadir>i don't know, sorry.
22:55<Roofus901>it's ok :D either way i'm impressed
22:56<nadir>no one here besides us?
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22:59<Roofus901>guess not lol
22:59<nadir>you are often here?
22:59<nadir>here -> #debian channel
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23:00<k-man>how does one install the ms core web fonts in squeeze?
23:00<Roofus901>will be from now on i think lol
23:02<Roofus901>i dunno, but here's the package info for lenny, maybe it'll work the same?
23:03<Roofus901>here u are
23:03<Roofus901>that should do it
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23:05<k-man>thanks Roofus901
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23:13<k-man>what about the droid sans font? any idea how to install that in debian?
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23:15<Roofus901>i would check out and search for a linux package
23:15<Roofus901>or dafont or w/e it's called
23:15<Roofus901>you may get lucky and find a nix port someone already made
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23:21<twb>Grr, cdebootstrap is hanging (with 100% CPU usage) inside my LXC container -- but debootstrap Just Works
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23:24<Roofus901>brb, i gotta reboot
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23:28<xud477>aptget install mouse-freeze
23:28<twb>Hmm, debootstrap exits with status 2
23:30<twb>Aha, debootstrap is failing to mknod inside the container, because I've denied root that ability
23:31<xud477>can't realy help fofr that
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23:36<twb>It's OK, I know what to do
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23:45<twb>Using debmirror with the rsync method, it's chowning all the files to 2000:2000 and setgid'ing the dirs.
23:45<twb>I want this to Not Happen, anybody remember offhand how to say that?
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23:48<mattcen>Pass the --no-perms option to rsync? I think you can add extra arbitrary rsync options in debmirror....
23:48<twb>I had a better idea
23:48<twb>sudo -u nobody
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23:49<twb>Hm, but that runs into GPG sadness.
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