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---Logopened Mon Dec 20 00:00:18 2010
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00:21<Bigboy>arrgh :/
00:21<Bigboy>I am still lost on to why my pc keeps crashing
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00:31<Bigboy>anyone L.
00:31<Bigboy>I need to ask some questions on support for tablets in linux
00:31<Bigboy>especially wacom tablets
00:31<Bigboy>I am plkanning on buying a wacom wireless or medium tablet
00:32<Bigboy>for production purposes
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00:34<Bigboy>I am an inpatient little... something -.-
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01:07<deconvolution>Hello, my internal server networking suddenly become extremely slow. it response like a 56K connection but it is a 100M ethernet. Anyone can give me this hints where to debug? Thanks
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01:08<deconvolution>ssh, http, nfs are pretty slow
01:09<sney>install a net traffic monitor and see if anything is sucking up your bandwidth
01:09<deconvolution>sney, which tools ?
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01:09<sney>there's a lot of them, they tend to have a web interface
01:09<sney>I dunno, I think I used vnstat for a while
01:09<sney>they are all basically the same
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01:12<twb>sney: I'd also check the line negotiation with ethertool
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01:12<xayon>Did you make any fisical change to that network?
01:12<sney>twb: yeah, that too
01:13<deconvolution>really, something like the sever runs very well yesterday
01:13<deconvolution>and sucks today without changing things
01:13<xayon>Then traffic monitors are the thing, check cpu and memory usage too, it might not be network problem.
01:13<deconvolution>this is an internal server so I dont think it is due to virus
01:14<deconvolution>ok, let me try one-by-one
01:14<xayon>Who's talking about viruses?
01:15<jm_>start by checking link status on both sides
01:15<jm_>like already suggested
01:15<deconvolution>the cpu/meomry are fine, 99% CPU idle with 700M mem free
01:16<deconvolution>jm_, how to check the link status ?
01:16<deconvolution>ifup say 100M full duplex printing on the console
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01:19<jm_>deconvolution: ethtool
01:24<cargile>how can i get the info off an pod thats connected to my network?
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01:43<prahal_>deconvolution, iftop -I eth0 will tell you the traffic
01:43<prahal_>and where it comes from/where it goes
01:44<prahal_>sorry iftop -i eth0
01:44<deconvolution>i am still trying to figure out the problem... is it possible due to the network cables?
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01:45<xayon>deconvolution: that's the reason I asked you if you've made fisical changes to the network
01:45<prahal_>is there an old ethernet card on one side ?
01:45<deconvolution>xayon, not really, but I just move the case a bit since it is too close to the wall
01:45<prahal_>around 2004 there were card that had bugs and reset themselves in bad state
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01:46<xayon>prahal_: It's supposed to have the right link, 10mb full duplex
01:46<prahal_>unplugging/plugging the cable fixed the issue usually . Checking this could help
01:46<xayon>mii-tool says the same thing?
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01:46<deconvolution>it is an integrated asusrock card
01:47<deconvolution>i did, now it becomes even more slow, will do something about hardware
01:47<prahal_>xayon, ?
01:48<deconvolution>ping to another computer is OK with time < 0.17ms, but ssh/nfs are extremely slow
01:49<prahal_>try ping flood
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01:49<deconvolution>prahal_, type "ping flood" command ?
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01:50<prahal_>sudo ping -f <other box ip> -I eth0
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01:51<mjt>10mb full duplex? It's so 1990s... ;)
01:51<xayon>I meant 100mb full duplex
01:51<deconvolution>i think it is about hardware issue
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01:52<deconvolution>will go out to get new cable to see what will happen
01:52<deconvolution>thanks mates
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02:15<tempakul>hi all
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02:17<tempakul>Howto grant a user root privilage on specific file?
02:19<kenyon>!tell tempakul about sudo
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02:22<tempakul>I know sudo, but when a file execute automatically, how can I run it as root?
02:24<kenyon>!tell tempakul about setuid
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02:32<OsirisX>my awk, sed skills are poor can someone help extract the "Iface" value from the output of the 'route' command
02:33<twb>OsirisX: no.
02:33<twb>OsirisX: use "ip route"
02:34<twb>In particular, something like "ip --oneline route show"
02:34<OsirisX>twb: thanks! what is the reason it can't be done from the route command?
02:34<twb>OsirisX: because route(8) is for humans to read, not machines.
02:35<twb>And it's an icky legacy syntax that isn't reflexive
02:35<OsirisX>twb: aaaahhh ok cheers
02:35<tempakul>thank's kenyon, I get it :)
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02:36<jm_>OsirisX: in general, | awk '{print $NF}' to get the last field, but with route you'll want to do this for iface lines only
02:38<OsirisX>thanks jm_ : it works even with the human-readable output from route
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03:39<dominick>Hi. I installed Debian on mynew tablet PC. When I rotate my display, the touchscreendoesn't seem to rotate. please help!
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03:42<dpkg>hello, dominick
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03:44<twb>dominick: I think Dave Moon said something about that...
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03:45<dominick>twb, no idea. anyways, now I'm installing the xserver-xorg-input-evtouch package. Hope it works.
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03:46<twb>No, it was Knight:
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03:52<Xeross>Is there a way to see what is currently causing a device to be busy, as I need to modify the partition table on a disk that is apparently busy
03:53<dominick>twb, did that mean I had to restart my tablet?
03:53<twb>dominick: no, it means just putting Debian on something and hoping for the best is unlikely to yield optimal results
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03:53<dominick>twb, thanks. but can you help me solve the problem?
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03:54<twb>I don't know.
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03:55<dpkg>[lspci] a utility to display information about PCI buses in the system and their connected devices, provided by the pciutils package. Ask me about <lspci -k>, <pciids>, <pciid> or <hcl>. Use to match pciids to devices for the latest kernel.
03:55<twb>Probing the hardware and then looking up support status in the release you're running would probably be the next step.
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04:01<dominick>twb, thanks. I was trying to rotate the display because some windows, like Preferences in Nautilus do not display fully on ther screen. (height: 600px). Is there any way to fix this? I could increase the resolution, but the display settings has 1280x600 as its maximum resolution.
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04:01<twb>dominick: you can do it manually using xrandr(1), assuming you're in X
04:01<OsirisX>is start-stop-daemon supposed to create PID file if --pidfile is specified?
04:01<twb>OsirisX: no.
04:02<twb>OsirisX: that's a matcher option
04:02<jm_>dominick: try relying on xrandr extension to rotate it
04:02<OsirisX>twb: so the daemon or starter script should do it
04:02<twb>jm_: I think he's expecting it to rotate *automatically* based on some kind of gravitational sensor
04:02<twb>OsirisX: the daemon should, yes
04:02<jm_>twb: ohh
04:02<OsirisX>twb: thanks
04:03<twb>OsirisX: ah, --make-pidfile
04:03<twb>OsirisX: but it is much better if the daemon creates it, I think
04:04<dominick>jm_, twb i'll get back if I have trouble. twb, there is an accelerometer in the tablet, but that'd be the next challenge I guess.
04:04<OsirisX>twb: ok my daemon doesnot appear to do it (given it is build of MS code for lltd)
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04:10<twb>Suppose I have preseeded and installed slapd. Now I wish to *change* a preseeded value and dpkg-reconfigure it -- noninteractively.
04:10<twb>How do I do this? This didn't work:
04:10<twb>debconf-set-selections <<<'ldap-auth-config ldap-auth-config/ldapns/ldap-server string ldapi://'; DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical ldap-auth-config
04:13<twb>Hm, actually I suppose that's an Ubuntuism, so offtopic.
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04:19<OsirisX>can I use full regex in a shell script test function - i.e. if [ "$IFACE" ....... ]; then ?
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04:20<twb>OsirisX: that's a question for #bash on Freenode
04:20<OsirisX>twb: ok
04:20<twb>And no: [(1) does not have regex(7) support; expr(1) does, as does the bash builtin(7) [[.
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04:21<sahko>does anyone know if there are any newer than 2.6.32 kernels in the debian repos?
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04:21<sahko>as far as i can see thats the one squeeze will have
04:21<twb>sahko: squeeze WILL have .32
04:21<sahko>so testing probably has that one at the moment
04:21<twb>sahko: there are newer kernels in experimental
04:22<twb>sahko: testing *is* squeeze :-)
04:22<jm_>judd kernels
04:22<dominick>My installation doesn't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf . Google said it is not created by default. So if I write my own configuration, will it work?
04:22<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc5-686 (2.6.37~rc5-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
04:22<sahko>twb: semantics :p
04:22<jm_>dominick: if you write it properly then yes
04:22<twb>dominick: Xorg autodetects most things now; do you *need* an xorg.conf?
04:22<sahko>damn. only rc kernels? no 2.6.36 for example?
04:23<dominick>twb, I think Xrandr needs an xorg.conf. I'm following
04:23<twb>IIRC there was a .36 a while back. Obviously experimental is not big on stability
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04:23<twb>dominick: I use xrandr; I have no xorg.conf.
04:24<jm_>dominick: you can use xrandr when X server is running
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04:24<twb>Indeed; that is the *point* of RANDR / xrandr(1)
04:24<twb>!tell sahko about debian-snapshot
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04:25<twb>!tell sahko about snapshot
04:25<twb>sahko: .36 might be in there somewhere
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04:29<OsirisX>can anyone recommend a non-compositing window manager (or show me how to have multiple entries for metacity in wm lists - e.g. one compositing and one not)
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04:32<dominick>jm_, twb, I used grandr to rotate my display, but the touchscreen is still not calibrated.
04:32<twb>OsirisX: I use ratpoison.
04:32<twb>OsirisX: it does not implement a compositing manager.
04:32<jm_>OsirisX: what features do you want from it?
04:33<twb>(The compositing and window managing roles are totally orthogonal; I do not understand this recent trend towards munging them together.)
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04:34<twb>Incidentally, if you need to invert the display's colourspace (the most useful feature in compiz, IMO) --
04:35<jm_>dominick: right, not sure how to go about that, synaptics driver has some options, but I have no idea if one can have change the orientation
04:35<OsirisX>jm_: basically some programs like iceweasel and google-gadgets don't see to work well on compositing managers - so basically I want metacity without compositing (I will be running gnome although I will have to forgoe Cairo dock in a non-compositing environment)
04:35<sahko>is there ANY wireless driver free? seems if i want to use Debian i'd have to use backports, at least according to the wiki
04:35<twb>sahko: ath9k is a FOSS driver.
04:35<sahko>any free*
04:36<twb>sahko: the hardware itself probably contains non-free firmware; I don't know
04:36<sahko>yeah i dont have one of those yet
04:36<twb>Just like your HDD controller and BIOS are non-Free
04:36<OsirisX>sahko: what wireles card do you have?>
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04:36<jm_>twb: what effect does that gamma change have?
04:36<sahko>an intel 4965 and an RT2860
04:36<twb>jm_: it turns blac into white, yellow into cyan, etc.
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04:36<jm_>twb: but why would you do that?
04:37<sahko>non of them should work with the debian kernels out of the box afaict
04:37<twb>jm_: mainly when I'm reading a PDF or web page that's mostly black-on-white
04:37<OsirisX>sahko: sorry I'm not familiar with those models
04:37<jm_>sahko: there are some that work even in the installer, but there are very very few
04:37<twb>jm_: user CSS isn't very good at achieving white-on-black IME
04:37<jm_>twb: ahh, I use zap colors bookmarklet in browser
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04:38<twb>jm_: but the colours can be useful still
04:38<jm_>twb: sure
04:38<twb>jm_: like on
04:38<zem>"Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI" works out of the box (not in the installer AFAIK)
04:38<twb>But also because I prefer to solve it once, for the entire display, rather than trying to solve it for each app separately
04:39<sahko>i think thats very old
04:39<twb>sahko: old is a prism2 :P
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04:40<sahko>oh the backports thing seems to be only for lenny
04:40<twb>sahko: probably when squeeze ships there will be a backports repo created for it
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04:40<sahko>i dont mean to use stable anyway
04:41<OsirisX>twb: no mouse capability in ratpoison?
04:41<twb>That's the POINT
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04:42<sahko>ratpoison is the best window manager indeed.
04:42<sahko>if you need the rat id use fluxbox or pekwm
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04:43<jm_>OsirisX: I use icewm
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04:44<OsirisX>I think I'll try awesome, since you've put an exclamation mark after it LOL
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04:44<jm_>tried that for a day and went back to icewm :)
04:46<twb>I used icewm when I first migrated from windows. It has Alt+Esc -- nothing else does.
04:46<twb>I switched to RP because I was basically trying to use icewm like rp -- one-pixel borders, using "tile horizontally" all the time, that sort of thing
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04:47<twb>I'd still give icewm to anyone coming from an NT4 or NT5 background
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04:48<xayon>twb: I'm trying icewm to make a lightweight debian-live based livecd
04:48<xayon>And it really rocks
04:48<xayon>But awesome is fair supperior in terms of usability
04:49<twb>xayon: <-- mine
04:50<mercutio22>I think I found an error which might explain why gnome takes so long to start after boot:
04:50<jm_>ahh a live cd, for a while I stared at that and wondering what the hell does it have to do with window managers :))
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04:51<twb>mercutio22: the first one is pretty normal
04:51<Arrowmaster>mercutio22: did you have compiz installed then remove it?
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04:52<mercutio22>Arrowmaster: no.. I am still using it.
04:52<xayon>jm_: What? what do you mean about what it has to do with wm? Depending on the wm you provide with the livecd it'll be lighter or heavyer
04:53<OsirisX>xayon what superior usability features does awesome have over icewm?
04:53<xayon>OsirisX: It's a tiling window manager, it's completly different.
04:54<twb>It's yellow
04:55<mercutio22>Arrowmaster: did you see that space character on the path to compiz on that gnome-session error?
04:56<twb>xayon: awesome is the one with a yellow border around the active window by default, right?
04:56<twb>There are so many little knock-off tiling WMs now I can't track them all
04:56<xayon>twb: I don't have a yellow border anywhere, nor windows, they're tabs ;)
04:56<twb>xayon: awesome might call them windows, but the X11R6 specification calls them Windows.
04:57<sahko>its the bloated dwm with insane dependencies
04:57<twb>I'm pretty sure dwm upsteam claims running pre-rolled binaries defeats the purpose of dwm
04:57<twb>Unless they've mellowed in the last five years...?
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04:58<twb>sahko: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 8), libx11-dev, libxinerama-dev
04:58<twb>sahko: Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}
04:58<twb>looks pretty minimal to me
04:58<jm_>xayon: it was a comment related to twb's script
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04:59<twb>Technically it's for a live USB key
04:59<twb>The goal being to get my 2GB of root filesystem down into 256MB, so I can fit an i386, amd64, and one old version of each, on a 1GB USB key
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04:59<sahko>build depends include iperf, imagemagick, cmake, some docbook stuff to build manpages. it also depends on libxdg-basedir or something and of course the experimental xcb cairo backend
05:00<twb>Come to think of it, it SHOULD be possible to create both squashfses with shared /var and /usr/share and similar arch-independent areas...
05:01<sahko>also forgot the lua stuff
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05:02<twb>sahko: not for dwm
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05:02<twb>sahko: maybe you're thinking of suckless-tools ?
05:02<sahko>no, thats awesome
05:02<sahko>(the wm)
05:04<sahko>argh the debian repositories never made sense here
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05:04<sahko>i mean it makes sense having free and non-free, stable and testing etc, but i never got into the idea
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05:30<twb>Why does python2.6 (note: not a -dev package) provide pyconfig.h?
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06:04<Odin>anyone have a link to an easy to follow tut on setting up an email server?
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06:38<twb>"mimic" resolves correctly on both my client and proxy servers, but when I go via my new squid proxy, squid says there's no domain, so it won't serve http://mimic/. Why? How do I tell squid to honour /etc/resolv.conf's domain option?
06:39<twb>It *does* work if I supply the FQDN
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06:42<jm_>twb: heh I simply used "append_domain" setting to get arround it
06:43*twb tries
06:45<twb>Good enough
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06:49<twb>curl/w3m to fails, but passing -1 or -3 to curl works.
06:49<twb>Can I set a system-wide preference for SSLv3 over SSLv2?
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06:53<databeestje>Hi there
06:54<databeestje>Are there any sendmail gurus here?
06:54<twb>databeestje: don't use sendmail
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06:54<twb>postfix or exim4
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06:55<databeestje>that wasn't the answer I was looking for
06:55<databeestje>and thanks for running away ...
06:56<databeestje>Oh well
06:56<Zaba>sendmail gurus are all getting psychological treatment at the moment. Being one is brain-damaging.
06:56<databeestje>I know, not really in the mood to rebuild a mail relay
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06:57<dpkg>Sendmail is one of the older Mail Transfer Agents, configurable using m4 and its own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information. #sendmail on
06:58<jm_>maybe that channel can help then
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06:58<databeestje>I have an issue where email received on ipv6 gets stuck in the queue, it then tries to lookup the hostname from the mailertable file eventhough it is between [] to denote that it is not resolvable.
06:59<databeestje>This results in ~1mbit of DNS queries to the NS per email stuck in the queue
06:59<databeestje>There doesn't appear to be a hold down timer in the process either which results in back to back DNS queries
07:00<databeestje>The process list will list them as "user open" but no actual tcp sessions exist.
07:00<databeestje>jm_: thanks, I'll try that channel
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07:24<soro>am new
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07:56<sander_m>Hi. I need some help with GDM3. Can someone tell me what happens when I login through GDM3? Short background: I am using samba/winbind and pam_mount to authenticate Active Directory users and mount their remote home directories after logging in. But *something* is starting gconf before pam_mount has mounted the home directories, causing mayor mayhem. It's not pam_gnome_keyring. I already disabled that to test.
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08:16<cmot>Hmm. Will tcpdump expand hostnames that have multiple A records?
08:17<cmot>("tcpdump ... host" or similar)
08:17<patopanamenho>hi guys! I have a feel n00b questions... im trying to move from Ubuntu to Debian, but i dont know wich should i download. I went but I dont know my architecture! I have an Intel Celeron 3.20ghz...
08:17<jm_>patopanamenho: i386/x86 for 32bit, amd64 for 64bit - make your choice
08:18<cmot>patopanamenho: I feel you can safely try squeeze and not install lenny anymore. squeeze is very stable already, and much more up to date
08:18<cmot>squeeze beta 2
08:18<cmot>(beta 2 of the installer, to be exact)
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08:23<JesperCheetah>cmot: According to tcpdump(8): "If host is a name with multiple IP addresses, each address will be checked for a match."
08:23<cmot>JesperCheetah: thanks
08:24<cmot>JesperCheetah: (the manpage is quite long, so I started hunting around, but for "nameserver" and "A record" I couldn't find sensible hits, and looking for "host" gave too many hits.....)
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08:25<JesperCheetah>cmot: Heh, yeah that's pretty much what I started with as well. Then I figured it would probably be near the description of the "host" filter :)
08:26<adema>what should i do to be able to mount fat32 fs without being root ?
08:26<jm_>adema: add it to fstab
08:26<EmleyMoor>I've got a network card on one of my systems that is listed in dmesg but can't be brought up: SIOCDELRT: No such process appears when I try
08:26<mjt>many UIs nowadays include ability to mount fat32 as non-root
08:26<mjt>using poicykit helpers
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08:27<adema>jm_, no i don't want that
08:27<patopanamenho>thanks guys!
08:27<adema>it's an usb key
08:27<JesperCheetah>adema: autofs might be the answer
08:27<cmot>adema: policykit + udev + a modern desktop should really take care of that.
08:27<adema>should i add my username into some strange group ?
08:27<JesperCheetah>That's how I handle my usb disks
08:27<mjt>EmleyMoor: when you try _what_? SIOCDELRT is an ioctl to _delete_ a route
08:27<cmot>adema: make sure you're in the plugdev group
08:27<adema>cmot, it's a clean newly installed squeeze+xfce
08:28<adema>i'm in the plugdev group
08:28*cmot don't know xfce but I *guess* it should have some sensible support
08:28<EmleyMoor>mjt: ifup eth1 - and there is a post-up deletion of default route for that card
08:28<cmot>cmdline: install pmount
08:28<cmot>that should work
08:29<adema>cmn, i don't mount ntfs media
08:29<adema>but not fat32 :o
08:29<xayon>EmleyMoor: post-up deletion of default route... seems like it's making it to a route that doesn't exist. May-be?
08:29<mjt>adema: and how it's relevant to pmount?
08:29<EmleyMoor>xayon: The route won't exist because eth1 won't come up
08:29<adema>"i CAN mount ntfs drive"
08:30<mjt>EmleyMoor: so why are you putting `delete route' command into a post-up script?
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08:30<EmleyMoor>mjt: Because without it I get two default routes and it breaks things
08:30<JesperCheetah>EmleyMoor: Are you sure it's not the other way around? That the interface won't come up because the "delete route" fails?
08:30<rpetre>use "ip route replace"
08:31<EmleyMoor>JesperCheetah: It is not the other way round
08:31<rpetre>or add it with a lower metric
08:32<mjt>either way, since post-up script is being executed, the interface is here and is running.
08:32<EmleyMoor>rpetre: Any definite pointers to this? Anyway, it works this way on another system
08:32<EmleyMoor>The interface is not here and not running
08:32<rpetre>or add 0/1 and 128/1 routes instead of 0/0 ;)
08:32<mjt>EmleyMoor: post-up script is run only AFTER it is up-n-running
08:32<EmleyMoor>I am not adding any routes at present...
08:32<JesperCheetah>Maybe there's a way to prevent that extra route from being added in the first place. I assume you're using dhcp, so maybe the question is really: Can dhcpcd be configured to not add a default route?
08:33<JesperCheetah>dhclient* :)
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08:34<EmleyMoor>Without the post-up bit, no error when I ifup eth1 but not being brought up either
08:34<EmleyMoor>ifconfig does not show i
08:35<mjt>ifconfig -a
08:35<mjt>or ip link
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08:36<jm_>you can also use ifup -v to show the commands it executes
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08:36<mjt>cmot: i'm not sure plugdev group is ever used nowadays. It's done using consolekit who lets to mount stuff to anyone logged from the system console.
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08:36<EmleyMoor>ifconfig -a shows it but it's got no IP
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08:39<EmleyMoor>Sorted - so, what's the right way to remove or depreference the default route on that interface, favouring the one on eth0?
08:39<JesperCheetah>EmleyMoor: I guess we need to see your /etc/network/interfaces then. And is there anything interesting in /var/log/syslog? Maybe your dhcp client is failing to get an address from the dhcp server
08:40<cmot>mjt: Hmm. Isn't one of the consolekit options to grant permission to "whoever is in group plugdev"?
08:40<EmleyMoor>For some odd reason the DHCP client was missing
08:40<cmot>Or was that a compatibility option at some time that's now long gone?
08:41<JesperCheetah>EmleyMoor: I tend to use ifmetric for that, like this in /etc/network/interfaces: up ifmetric $IFACE 1234
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08:42<JesperCheetah>EmleyMoor: But it depends on your needs. I like the failover it gives. But then, I'm on a laptop that can be connected and disconnected from wifi, ethernet and mobile broadband at any time
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08:43<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... interesting
08:44<EmleyMoor>That might be useful, actually, as I am thinking of adding a backup connection
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08:46<JesperCheetah>Though of course all tcp connections on the downed link hang or reset when I switch :)
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08:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to set the metric only for the default route, to leave the local network at a metric of 0?
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08:48<mjt>cmot: as i said, i'm not sure - never looked that way so far. I know only that on my systems plugdev is empty and (auto)mounting works for active X session.
08:49<JesperCheetah>EmleyMoor: Something like this maybe: up ip route show dev $IFACE|grep ^default|while read ROUTE; do ip route add dev $IFACE $ROUTE metric 1234 && ip route del dev $IFACE $ROUTE; done
08:49<JesperCheetah>Might be better to use ip route replace, but I never could figure that one out
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08:53<JesperCheetah>Pull out the grep and it does pretty much the same as ifmetric. I made it when ifmetric for some reason refused to work on a usb0 interface
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08:59<EmleyMoor>ifmetric, certainly, is no good on my other box
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09:56<Swat->Anyone here using tc (traffic control) on a linux router/gateway?
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09:57<lancelot_of>hi all
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09:58<cmot>Yodel! Does KDE or KDE in Debian provide an easy way to have the client hostname on the background image? I guess more or less any large-ish office deployment likes to have this...
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10:02<kmap>cmot: I'd find out which package the background image is in, rebuild the package with your new image (and a bumped version number), and put that on ypur local mirror
10:02<kmap>cmot: There might be a better way, though.
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10:03<lancelot_of>video rendering on my thinkpad t42 is really slow. youtube videos, for example, are played in slow motion such as any web content in iceweasel. What's wrong in my xorg.conf ?
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10:05<cmot>kmap: you realize that "client hostname" is different for each computer? I wouldn't want to maintain 1000 background images...
10:05<cmot>(And I want the users to be able to change the background, too. Just always display the hostname, so client support can ask for it.)
10:06<muep>AFAIK at least KDE 4 allows the creation of new background plugins
10:06<cmot>I guess it's not really hard to script, I just wonder if anybody already packaged a solution since I've seen it in many places (for windows deployments mostly, though.)
10:07<cmot>muep: the plugin/widget/... wouldn't be hard. The hard part: users must not be able to remove it
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10:09<jony_>acu are on
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10:16<lancelot_of> answers for me?
10:16<kmap>cmot: I see. I didn't realize that.
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10:17<kmap>cmot: One strategy is to generate the image using a post-install script, which takes the client name as argument
10:17<kmap>cmot: But I don't lmow how to do it
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10:18<zy>cmot: I once used a dirty hack for gnome: install a cronjob in /etc/cron.d that compose the image with text notices from a file. You may consider this.
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10:28<bluenemo>cat i use a if in a while loop?
10:28<bluenemo>(bash script)
10:28<cmot>bluenemo: yes
10:28<bluenemo>cmot, thx
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10:30<bluenemo>cmot, how do i close the if, with done? i always get syntax error near unexpected token `done'
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10:30<cmot>bluenemo: with "fi"
10:30<cmot>if condition; then command; command; command; fi ....
10:30<bluenemo>ah lol of course :) i am stupid, thank you
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10:38<lancelot_of>video rendering on my thinkpad t42 is really slow. youtube videos, for example, are played in slow motion such as any web content in iceweasel. What's wrong in my xorg.conf ?
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10:41<gil-galad>mm i had to install non free drivers in squeeze to get acceleration on my old radeon 9700
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10:41<lancelot_of>gil-galad, i've radeon 7500 on which fglrx does not work
10:42<gil-galad>lancelot_of, mm it was something like firmware-linux-nonfree
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10:43<muep>gil-galad: firmware != drivers
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10:44<lancelot_of>so your suggestion is to ude fglrx after installing firmware-linux-nonfree?
10:44<muep>the GPU on a t42 is probably so old that fglrx will not support it
10:45<muep>use the free drivers, but make sure to get the non-free firmware if the GPU needs it
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10:46<gil-galad>muep, still it says "Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel"
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10:46<muep>gil-galad: yeah, it is firmware, not drivers
10:47<gil-galad>and it worked after i installed it
10:47<lancelot_of>muep, which is the non-free firmware package name i shoud install?
10:47<gil-galad>but i don't know really, i'm surely wrong, just tried to help, sorry if i added to the confusion :/
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10:48<muep>gil-galad: no intention to offend, but it is good to make a distinction between firmware and drivers
10:48<gsimmons>dpkg: tell lancelot_of -about radeon firmware
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10:49<muep>gil-galad: firmware runs on the device and provides parts of the device functionality, while the driver runs as part of the operating system
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10:49<OsirisX>how do I find out which package generates /var/log/boot ?
10:50<gsimmons>OsirisX: initscripts ; /msg dpkg bootlogd
10:50<gil-galad>muep : thanx for the ifo dude, i'll try to get some more info when i get some time.
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12:31<Moulinex>hello boy
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13:38<agony>maybe is lenny?
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13:39<agony>and squeeze is debian-508? where I can download squeeze ? thanks
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13:39<weasel>squeeze will be debian 6
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13:42<Xeross>Can anyone explain what this spares=1 thing is, this it the output of mdadm --examine --scan
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13:44<Xeross>Hmm seems it goes away once the drive is recovered
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14:20<agony>I put on xorg.conf Modes "1024x600" and it does not work why?
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14:20<cahoot>maybe need a corresponding modeline
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14:22<agony>I am new and I don't know so much what do you mean corresponding modeline?
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14:26<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
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14:33<evaristo>como estas
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14:34<theodore>hi, need your opinion, do u think that the noatime function is useful or not?
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14:36<theodore>so it really speeds the system?
14:36<retrospectacus>atime is a waste unless you have a good reason to use it
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14:37<theodore>what does it do?
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14:37<retrospectacus>atime is a timestamp on a file of the most recent *read* of the file
14:38<cahoot>Linux records information about when files were created and last modified as well as when it was last accessed.
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14:38<retrospectacus>so if you have enabled it, every time a file is *read*, it *writes* the timestamp
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14:38<theodore>i am just a desktop user, i don't think i need this, right?
14:38<retrospectacus>which (not really but basically) doubles HDD access
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14:40<theodore>but i must b really carefull when editing my fstab...
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14:41<retrospectacus>always a good policy
14:41<theodore>thank u very much
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14:46<retrospectacus>atime should be disabled by default IMO, I don't think it's really good for much
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14:47<jordanm>retrospectacus: its good for making a write to disk everytime we read from disk :P
14:47<weasel>relatime is the way to go, probably
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15:06<theodore>did all this ( ) article suggested but i see no dramatic change
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15:07<theodore>maybe if a change to a lighter desktop environment... which one would u suggest?
15:08<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. #xfce on
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15:09<theodore>what about lxde?
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15:10<jordanm>don't know, I use xfce
15:10<theodore>coll, thanX
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15:16<Xeross>For some reason when trying to attach to the screen of 1 user I get Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check.
15:16<Xeross>I can chown the /dev/pts/0 to that user but it somehow resets again
15:17<jordanm>IIRC last time I had done that you either a) need to be root b) setuid the screen binary (not recommended)
15:18<Xeross>Well I just find it weird the owner of /dev/pts/0 changes
15:18<Xeross>Kind of annoying to chown /dev/pts/0 every time I want to start screen as that use
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15:43<jamaine>this is amazing
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16:05<IngCre>Hi, I have a problem with postfix.
16:06<IngCre>I have 3 virtual domains and 2 of them work regularly. One instead can only receive but not send e-mails.
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16:07<IngCre>Is there anybody who can help?
16:08<mjt>postfix has its own channel
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16:08<IngCre>I didn't know
16:08<mjt>it's on freenode
16:09<IngCre>Thank yoy mjt.
16:09<Gathond>not having set $relay_domains?
16:09<Gathond>or whatever it is called
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16:18<IngCre>This is my postfix conf file:
16:21<rpetre>IngCre: not really postfix related, but you should make sure all the RBLs you use are current, maintained and their listing policies conform to yours, that list seems copy-pasted from some old howto
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16:52<mjt>heck. Why vlc window is now with the Santa Claus's cap ?? :)
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16:53<retrospectacus>he knows when you are sleeping, he knows what you watch, etc
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17:19<pkrzywicki>hi hello
17:20<pkrzywicki>guys just want to split my shell screen
17:20<pkrzywicki>I know there is a tool whihc does that
17:20<pkrzywicki>in linux
17:20<OsirisX>is there a way to only change directory permission with chmod?
17:20<pkrzywicki>so in one console I have a few consoles
17:20<Lethalman>OsirisX, yes, chmod
17:20<pkrzywicki>any ideas what is it I fogot name of it
17:20<Lethalman>pkrzywicki, screen
17:21<pkrzywicki>no no
17:21<OsirisX>Lethalman: thanks
17:21<pkrzywicki>I know screen
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17:21<pkrzywicki>i.e. you can have three files opne at the same yime
17:21<pkrzywicki>i.e. you can have three files opne at the same time
17:22<pkrzywicki>with screen you have to run screen -r to restore a specific shell
17:22<pkrzywicki>with this one it is much easier because you can see all of it on one screen
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17:23<pkrzywicki>somethng like splitvt
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17:39<pkrzywicki>dvtm for your information
17:39<jordanb>upgrading in testing broke my wifi. D:
17:39<pkrzywicki>this is what I was asking about
17:39<pkrzywicki>very useful
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17:40<jordanb>there's no way to go back to the old kernel is there?
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17:41<jordanb>looks like it put me on 2.6.32-5
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17:41<mjt>that's the current kernel which will be in squeeze
17:41<jordanb>well it broke wifi on a new thinkpad
17:42<f8l>jordanb: The old one should not be removed. Check if it is selectable in the bootloader.
17:42<jordanb>yeah I see it. I'm trying it now
17:42<jordanb>I also got an oops out of the kernel
17:42<mjt>what a wifi card it is?
17:43<jordanb>one of the intel ones that's supposed to be awesome with linux
17:43<mjt>which one?
17:44<jordanb>I'm looking
17:44<jordanb>Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200
17:44<mjt>fwiw, squeeze kernel needs separate firmware package for lots of hw pieces
17:45<jordanb>hm, it's not working with the old kernel either
17:45<jordanb>which was 2.6.32-trunk
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17:46<dpkg>iwlwifi is the driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
17:46<mjt>jordanb: ^^
17:47<dvs>wrong one
17:47<dpkg>iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide.
17:47<mjt>aha :)
17:48<jordanb>hm, iwlagn is loaded into the kernel properly
17:48<mjt>jordanb: dmesg | grep firmware
17:48<jordanb>is it possible that it's not the kernel, but network_maanger?
17:48<dvs>but is the firmware there?
17:48<jordanb>"iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: loaded firmware version
17:49<jhutchins_lt>jordanb: What was iwconfig show?
17:50<jordanb>I'm rebooting back into the new kernel
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17:51<jordanb>wlan0 is avaliable in iwconfig
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17:53<jhutchins_lt>jordanb: So it's not a question of kernel and driver and firmware, but configuration.
17:53<jhutchins_lt>iwlist wlan0 scanning show anything?
17:53<jordanb>I suppose so
17:53<jordanb>yeah, it finds all the access points it aught to find
17:53<jordanb>so the problem is networkmanager?
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17:54<jhutchins_lt>Yes. Undoubtably the problem that is so daft that you can't believe someone actually coded it that way and after two days and twenty three pages, while you're double-checking the final details for the bugreport you discover that it's suddenly working just as expected and appears to have been all along.
17:55<dvs>I hate when that happens!
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>jordanb: What DE?
17:56<jhutchins_lt>Desktop Environment
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17:56<jordanb>except i'm using fluxbox instead of the window manager gnome comes with
17:56<jhutchins_lt>Ah, all I can offer is general armwaving then, I barely got squeeze's kde working (with reference to the above).
17:57<jordanb>NetworkManager[2458]: <warn> bluez error getting default adapter: No such adapter
17:57<jordanb>I wonder what that' means
17:59<jhutchins_lt>Does the network manager see the wifi card?
17:59<jordanb>yeah, according to syslog
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>jordanb: Ah, but what about the applet?
18:03<jordanb>the applet says "Wireless Networks: device not managed"
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18:03<dvs>jordanb: so you have something in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
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18:04<jordanb>Oh, is that my problem? :<
18:04<jordanb>did that change recently?
18:04<dvs>for some time.
18:04<jhutchins_lt>jordanb: Not recently, but it did change.
18:04<jordanb>Well I'm commenting it out
18:05<jordanb>let's see
18:05<dvs>Once you mention an interface in that file, it won't be managed by network manager
18:05<jordanb>I should leave the stuff pertaning to lo in there, right?
18:05<mjt>don't comment out the loopback iface
18:05<jhutchins_lt>Annoyingly, the wired tab is still the default even if it's unmanaged.
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18:06<jordanb>awesome, thanks!
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18:07<rpetre>is there a n-m replacement that just does what guessnet does? (detect networks and suggest ifupdown profile)
18:07<jordanb>FWIU there's a gtk one that's not packaged in debian
18:08<jordanb>gtk-only, without gnome-desktop and all that
18:08<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: There are ones that do it very badly.
18:08<rpetre>at som point n-m started to recognize my ntwork profiles, but annoyingly it greps just the address/network part out and insists of stting them itself
18:08<rpetre>skipping my othr hooks
18:08<jordanb>network manager is what made me bite the bullet and finally start using gnome
18:09<jordanb>especially dealing with stuff like wpa keys
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18:10<rpetre>unfortunately as far as i can tell it's the only thing that autodetects wireless networks in a hassle-free (if you have simple networking setup) fashion
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18:11<rpetre>and i hate the concept that networking starts after i login
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18:11<zem>iwlist <iface> scan detects wirelles networks
18:12<rpetre>zem: yeah, but when i'm visiting, i don't want to do much cli-wrestling with iw* tools
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18:13<rpetre>especially since owners usually know just their essid and password, not what kind of wpa it is
18:13<jordanb>and wpa-supplicant is a bitch to figure out
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18:14<zem>that's why i trust only cables... can't miss with those
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18:15<mjt>rpetre: how about wicd?
18:15<rpetre>tried it at some point, but i don't remember what it did wrong
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18:16<rpetre>having gnome strongly depend on n-m stuff doesn't help either
18:16<mjt>i always used it once tried nm and discovered it does everything by its own
18:16<mjt>(it = wicd)
18:16<rpetre>mjt: does it play nicely with ifupdown?
18:16<mjt>and i run gnome too, and don't have nm installed.
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18:17<mjt>i don't remember really (my laptop isn't with me now)
18:17<rpetre>hm, it's a recommends, i see
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18:51<mjt>jordanb: so... does it work now?
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19:03<jordanb>mjt: Yeah it works great now
19:04<jordanb>the interfaces configuration was my problem
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19:41<struhevol>how can i make wicd start automatically when i login
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19:43<cthuluh>struhevol: it depends on your desktop environment
19:44<struhevol>hu ??
19:44<struhevol>ok in order for me to get wicd to work
19:44<cthuluh>to launch it automatically, yes
19:45<cthuluh>so tell what your desktop environment is
19:45<struhevol>i have to type etc/init.d/wcid start
19:45<struhevol>so instead of typing this in terminal everytime
19:45<cthuluh>I thought you were talking about the graphical app
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19:46<cthuluh>but /etc/init.d/wicd start should be executed automatically
19:47<struhevol>and do everything all over again
19:47<struhevol>is there a way for me to make it start up when i login
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19:47<struhevol>yea it dont i have to type that in terminal for it to start
19:47<vincent_c>Perhaps put it in /etc/rc.local?
19:47<struhevol>humm i did not think of that
19:47<vincent_c>That's what I have to do to get Wicd and Privoxy to start on bootup.
19:48<struhevol>o ok vincent thanks
19:48<struhevol>now i have to figure out how to do just that
19:48<vincent_c>gksudo gedit /etc/rc.local
19:48<cthuluh>that's... weird. when I used wicd it was launched automatically on boot. I only had to use the graphical app to control it
19:49<dpkg>wicd is probably Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bdo>. See also <netdev>. #wicd on
19:49<vincent_c>For me, the wicd daemon never starts automatically on boot by itself.
19:49<vincent_c>(privoxy as well, but that's another story)
19:49<vincent_c>So I had to put it in /etc/rc.local, and it works just fine now...
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19:52<struhevol>wait i put gksudo gedit /etc/rc.local in terminal
19:52<cthuluh>neither did I have problems with privoxy...
19:52<cthuluh>struhevol: could you paste the output of ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ ?
19:53*vincent_c shrugs.
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19:53<vincent_c>Everything in /etc/rc2.d is marked as executable and owned by root.
19:53<struhevol>i am so sorry guys i am so confused
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19:54<struhevol>i know i have to ad wicd to rc2.d
19:54<struhevol>how do i go about that
19:54<vincent_c>Wicd should already be there...
19:54<struhevol>be where
19:54<vincent_c>in the rc2.d directory
19:54<Ne0WizArd>how can i set a video as wallpaper ?
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20:12<i1ronx> i need support, about kdelibs5-dev package dependences...
20:12<i1ronx>ins't upgraded in this repository?
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20:13<i1ronx>i'm using debian sid and kde-qt repo...
20:14<sney>if sid things are broken, you need to check the bug tracker
20:14<sney>sid breaks and fixes itself too fast for #debian to keep up, so it's officially unsupported here
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20:27<siskulous>Can oldstable run fglrx 9.3?
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20:30<tsuyoshi>hi, I am running stable, and after a recent exim4 security update, my configuration is hosed.. anyone know how to fix this?
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20:31<sney>tsuyoshi: hmm, check your directory structure in /etc. it may have moved the default config location
20:31<tsuyoshi>it isn't recognizing my domain as valid.. people try to deliver to and it's rejected
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20:34<tsuyoshi>this seems to be a bug in exim4-config
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20:34<tsuyoshi>exim4 is reading the right config file, exim4-config is not updating the config file.. wtf is it doing
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20:35<tsuyoshi>ok.. I have an extremely simple setup.. I am just going to purge everything and reinstall
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20:38<sney>tsuyoshi: for the future, you may want to install apt-listchanges, as it can warn you about these things when you upgrade
20:38<tsuyoshi>nope.. still broken
20:38<tsuyoshi>exim4 config isn't actually doing anything
20:39<tsuyoshi>sney: except.. I didn't upgrade
20:39<tsuyoshi>all I did was security updates
20:40<sney>sometimes these things sneak in
20:40<tsuyoshi>this doesn't make any sense..
20:40<sney>security updates are still through apt, so if there are any changes noted for the package it'll show them to you when the updates come in
20:41<sney>I wish I could help you but I know next to nothing about exim4
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20:46<iPittytheFoo>is it 'sudo install-grub' ?
20:47<tsuyoshi>sney: so what mailer do you use then?
20:47<tsuyoshi>I might as well ditch exim if it's not working
20:48<sney>I don't actually administer a mail system
20:48<tsuyoshi>I have the simplest mail configuration imaginable... anything should work
20:48<sney>it's one of those things I've never really messed with
20:48<sney>that said, I knew a wise old unixbeard who always swore by postfix
20:49<vincent_c>tsuyoshi, consider filing a bug report against exim4-config?
20:50<vincent_c>I know practically nothing about exim4 either, but I'm sure there's somebody knowledgable enough to help you...
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20:51<vincent_c>iPittytheFoo, it's actually "grub-install".
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20:51<tsuyoshi>ok.. exim4-config is working as advertised
20:51<tsuyoshi>exim4 is not reading the config file
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20:52<tsuyoshi>someone must have screwed up the security update.. but I would have figured that I wouldn't be the first one to complain... there are no bug reports on this at all
20:52<vincent_c>Then file a bug report against the exim4 package; use "reportbug".
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20:53<vincent_c>Then it might just simply be user error. :P I can't help you with that though.
20:54<tsuyoshi>ok.. so I deleted this exim4.conf file... it wasn't even supposed to be there
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20:55<tsuyoshi>I must have changed something a long time ago and forgot about it.. and then that didn't screw up until this update
20:56<tsuyoshi>I think it's working now
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21:07<Roofus901>hi everyone
21:08<Roofus901>does anyone know if there's a way to round off the corners in the start menu?
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21:10<Roofus901>does anyone know if there is a way to round off the corners in the start menu in squeeze?
21:13<nevyn>"start" menu.. which desktop?
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21:13<abrotman>tried changing the theme?
21:13<abrotman>and which corners?
21:14<Roofus901>ya know when you click the debian icon in squeeze, that drop down menu
21:14<Roofus901>actually the applications/places/system drop-down menus
21:17<Roofus901>oh nvm, i got it, switching themes works
21:17<Roofus901>thx m8
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22:27<twb>Is there a way to have LDAP/SSL that allows me to connect *regardless* of the hostname I'm connecting as?
22:27<twb>By default I can only connect with the server's certificate cn:
22:27<twb>TLS: hostname ( does not match common name in certificate (
22:32<abrotman>what is the client you're using ?
22:32<abrotman>eh .. ignore that :)
22:32<twb>openldap slapd and ldap-utils
22:32<abrotman>sometimes there is a --no-certificate-check or similar
22:32<twb>I tried tls_checkpeer no, which didn't appear to do anything
22:33<twb>Upstream are unhelpful because "debian links against gnutls, which is stupid. openssl is PERFECTLY legal"... so I am not endeared to them just now...
22:34<twb>abrotman: I was thinking I could add additional names to the cert in the same way I add CNAMEs to DNS
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22:35<abrotman>that's not a helpful answer from #openldap
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22:35<twb>abrotman: (most) of the people there don't really understand why distros exist
22:35<abrotman>yay NIS!
22:35<twb>They advocate compiling everything from VCS snapshots into /opt
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22:36<twb>abrotman: actually, #kerberos semiseriously suggested I continue using NIS for the passwd and group databases :-P
22:36<twb>After all, you only really need to protect shadow
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22:38<abrotman>did you try asking the #openldap or #ldap (whichever it is) on freenode?
22:38<abrotman>the optoin you tried makes sense
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22:39<twb>abrotman: that's the #openldap I was talking about
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22:40<twb>Oh -- no, I didn't ask them about tls_checkpeer yet
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22:42<abrotman>!why gnutls
22:42<dpkg> and
22:42<abrotman>just in case .. they uh .. want to read
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22:44<twb>I think it's just the ldap.conf comments are out of date; the ldap.conf manpage mentions "TLS_REQCERT [never|allow|try|hard]". Adding "never" worked, which I *think* means that I'm using SSL for encryption without any OOB trusted third-party
22:44<twb>Which is a bit like using SSH without a known_hosts file
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23:38<pain-bt>anyone know any channel backtrack?
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23:38<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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23:52<OsirisX>something on my system is forcing compiz and fusion-icon to run with --indirect-rendering - any ideas on how I can stop this?
23:53<nevyn>OsirisX: does glxinfo have Direct Rendering: Yes in the output?
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23:53<OsirisX>yes nevyn
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23:54<nevyn>hrm that's odd then
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23:55<OsirisX>nevyn: yes - even if I manually edit ~/,config/compiz/fusion-icon - as soon as fusion-icon starts it changes it's configuration file back
23:55<nevyn>dunno then.
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