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---Logopened Sat Dec 25 00:00:05 2010
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00:00<mib_nd3si0>I'm experiencing some serious misconception with the installer
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00:00<mib_nd3si0>It mounts the wrong hard drive which it can't detect any iso image installer, which I downloaded.
00:00<mib_nd3si0>Not only that, it won't detect my ethernet card.
00:01<mib_nd3si0>So basically, the installer prove obsolete on installing debian.
00:01<mib_nd3si0>Could someone explain to me, why is this happening?
00:02<mib_nd3si0>I used Unetbootin to download Debian HDmedial install.
00:02<mib_nd3si0>I downloaded it twice to ensure that the files are not corrupted.
00:03<mib_nd3si0>The reason I'm not using the CD installation because my computer have issues reading discs.
00:05<Arrowmaster>are you running unetbootin from windows? i recently heard somebody mention something about it not always working correctly on windows
00:05<mib_nd3si0>Yes. I'm running windows Xp
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00:05<mib_nd3si0>Is that so?
00:06<Arrowmaster>!usb install
00:06<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
00:06<mib_nd3si0>I'm not sure that the advancement of my laptop could boot from a USB
00:07<mib_nd3si0>My laptop capability is quite old, it can boot from discs and floppy disc.
00:08<mib_nd3si0>Not a USB, that's modern feature that wasn't presented.
00:08<Arrowmaster>what are you using to install from then?
00:08<mib_nd3si0>I'm installing on the hard drive
00:09<mib_nd3si0>Using Unetbootin to download the files and restart to begin the installation.
00:10<Arrowmaster>i dont really know much about unetbootin
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00:10<jhutchins_lt>Not much to know, download, run.
00:11<jhutchins_lt>mib_nd3si0: If you can't boot from usb, just download and burn a netinst iso.
00:12<jhutchins_lt>!intstall guide
00:12<jhutchins_lt>mib_nd3si0: You're really going about this wrong, unetbootin is for building usb installers.
00:12<jhutchins_lt>Crud, dead bots on christmas eve.
00:13<mib_nd3si0>And for hard drives.
00:13<mib_nd3si0>Not only for usb.
00:13<jhutchins_lt>dmz: READ the appropriate version here:
00:14<jhutchins_lt>Erk. mib_nd3si0 URL above.
00:14<jhutchins_lt>mib_nd3si0: You will be MUCH happier following a good guide.
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00:21<mib_nd3si0>I still don't know what I should be doing here
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00:22<mib_nd3si0>The guide only tells you the options.
00:22<mib_nd3si0>Not the steps.
00:24<Efreak>idk what you should be doing, but I know lots of things you SHOULDNT be doing
00:25<mib_nd3si0>You mean what I shouldn't do is using Unetbootin?
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00:34<mib_nd3si0>I can't install Debian without some kind of outside source
00:35<mib_nd3si0>I can't boot from discs or USB. Then it leaves me to the choice that it could only be installed on the hard drive.
00:37<mib_nd3si0>Which there are ways but it won't work.
00:38<mib_nd3si0>Any ideas?
00:38<r0ger>is there an os on the drive that can boot?
00:39<mib_nd3si0>Only Windows.
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00:41<r0ger>this might not work, but check WUBI for ubuntu and see whether you can install to a partition instead of inside of windows.. if so i *think* you could shrink your windows partition and install ubuntu on a small partition, then wipe windows and install debian on the large partition
00:41<r0ger>don't quote me though
00:41<r0ger>i'd do a lot of research before doing that
00:42<mib_nd3si0>Well, I won't go through this much trouble to install Debian
00:43<mib_nd3si0>I suppose that I should be looking for another distribution then.
00:43<mib_nd3si0>Thanks for the help.
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00:44<r0ger>:P that page is what he needed too
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00:53<jester45>why not just shrink the windows partition from inside windows...
00:56<r0ger>that's what i was suggesting at first
00:56<r0ger>but then i found that thread to bypass the WUBI installer
00:56<r0ger>which you could still shrink windows and install debian along side in case something goes wrong
00:57<r0ger>actually you might have to do it that way unless the installer loads everything into ram and then does netinstall
00:57<r0ger>i've never tried that method and didn't really read the site so i'm unsure
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01:01<jester45>the wubi installer? it downloads an iso before starting the install i dont think it will download anything
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03:14<patrickh>merry christmas to all!!!
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04:33<ting-tang>feliz natal
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04:36<alien1it>Buon Natale.
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04:42<gil-galad>yeah merry christmas, joyeux noël !!
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05:03<alfred>Hi guys, any help with command line to update my debian ? update manager seems not working properly ?
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05:04<Araneidae>aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade -- does that do what you want?
05:04<ompaul>alfred: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade unless you are changing versions in which case the latter becomes "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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05:05<alfred>Araneidae, Yes something like that
05:05<alfred>I just intalled Debian 2 days ago, and when I go to update manager never found new update
05:05<alfred>which is strange
05:05<alfred>let me try these command line
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05:05<ompaul>alfred: which debian did you install?
05:05<devil>alfred: what version did you install?
05:06<alfred>Araneidae, got this message : 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
05:06<alfred>is it normal ?
05:06<devil>if its squeeze, you will not see many upgrades
05:07<devil>just security fixes, as you are updated to soon-to-be-stable already
05:08<Araneidae>alfred, yes, that's perfectly normal
05:08<devil>you should probably read up on debian infrastructure and branches
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05:09<alfred>got some problem with my graphic card, how can I know what are my hardwares built in my laptop ?`
05:09<devil>alfred: lspci will tell you
05:10<alfred>thx devil
05:10<alfred>this is my VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
05:11<devil>and the problem is?
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05:12<alfred>I can t change the screen settings, nor I can adjust if I plug in my second monitor
05:13<devil>for adjusting, you can install grandr
05:14<alfred>aptitude grandr ? :)
05:14<devil>aptitude install grandr
05:14<devil>or apt, whatever you prefer
05:15<alfred>it was apt-get install grandr :)
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05:15<devil>as i said, up to you
05:15<devil>apt might be easier for beginners
05:16<alfred>Devil, I got the grandr running, but all the settings are deactivated,
05:16<alfred>like it is missing something
05:16<alfred>so I can only change Auto / off
05:16<alfred>that s all
05:16<devil>let me install it
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05:18<devil>hm, works ok here
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05:18<alfred>not for me :(
05:18<alfred>means the Graphic card is not installed ?
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05:18<devil>in basic, can you choose resolutions?
05:18<alfred>or missing something
05:18<alfred>no I can t
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05:19<alfred>it is deactivated
05:19<devil>can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log to
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05:22<devil>thats the wrong log :)
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05:24<antgel>hi all, i'm trying to build mythtv 0.24, and i get lots of segfaults and "double free or corruption"
05:24<antgel>but then i can do make again, it stumbles on a bit, then segfaults on another file
05:24<antgel>is this looking like a memory problem? should i run memtest86 as a first step?
05:25<alfred>devil what command I need ?
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05:25<devil>alfred: you need to open the log i mentioned and copy the contents to the pastebin
05:26<devil>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log opens it
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05:30<devil>alfred: what does: 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel | grep ii' tell you
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05:31<alfred>devil: ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
05:31<devil>hm, even though your paste is not complete, it looks like the driver is not used
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05:32<alfred>I "feel" that :D
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05:34<alfred>do I reinstall my debian?
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05:35<devil>no, no need, but i cant resolve that now, gotta run, christmas deeds…
05:35<alfred>:D Devil happy x-mas
05:35<alfred>thank you for the help
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05:38<ompaul>alfred: can you do this please >> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
05:38<alfred>ompaul sure, moment
05:39<ompaul>this christmas stuff is inteferring with my ability to IRC biam
05:39<alfred> Installed: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8
05:39<alfred> Candidate: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8
05:39<alfred> Version table:
05:39<alfred> *** 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8 0
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05:42<alfred_Fed>ompaul, I got kicked :)
05:43<alfred_Fed>because I pasted the code here
05:43<ompaul>alfred_Fed: when you have more than a line you should use :)
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05:43<alfred_Fed>now I know :)
05:44<ompaul>alfred_Fed: you know the file xorg.conf ?
05:45<alfred_Fed>I have pasted the output
05:45<ompaul>that was a log file
05:45<alfred_Fed>I think there
05:45<ompaul>ok in /etc/x11/
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05:46<ompaul>there is a file called xorg.conf it might be one more layer down (can't remember where it lived on lenny
05:46*ompaul does not want to log into work today to find out
05:46<ompaul>hang on
05:46<babilen>It is: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
05:46<ompaul>alfred_Fed: ok there are two things you can do with that file first one you can try to edit
05:47<ompaul>yes but first back it up cp xorg.conf Original.xorg.conf then check this
05:48<ompaul>alfred_Fed: there is another thing not sure if it was there for lenny you can in later machines for certain remove the xorg.conf file ~(only after you back it up) restart X and see how you go
05:49<ompaul>dpkg-recofigure xserver-xorg is another thing you can do
05:49<ompaul>woops - that should be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
05:49<alfred_Fed>I run this last command
05:49<ompaul>you need to restart your xsession after you do that
05:50<alfred_Fed>Use kernel framebuffer device interface?
05:51<alfred_Fed>XKB rule set to use: xorg ?
05:52<ompaul>alfred_Fed: note that I assume you have installed the correct keyboard mapping in initial install
05:52<alfred_Fed>Yes finnish language
05:53<ompaul>so that was a reasonable assumption :)
05:53<alfred_Fed>done , now how to restart the xserver?
05:53<ompaul>log out and back in
05:53<alfred_Fed>ok brb
05:53<alfred_Fed>thx ompaul, in case I am lost :)
05:53<ompaul>you won't be
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06:03<alfred_lost>ompaul, I am lost :)
06:03<ompaul>you are not lost
06:03<ompaul>ok do you have X
06:03<alfred_lost>I am connected via another laptop
06:04<ompaul>do you have X?
06:04<alfred_lost>the other one do not want to write some letter to login,
06:04<alfred_lost>like A, Q I can t type them
06:04<alfred_lost>this is another laptop
06:04<alfred_lost>now I am logged in my other laptop using command line only, no graphical mode
06:04<alfred_lost>how to swtich to graphical mode or how to go back to the last config
06:05<ompaul>hold on a sec
06:05<ompaul>did you backup?
06:05<ompaul>so we can only go forward ;-)
06:05<alfred_lost>that s better solution
06:05<ompaul>do this cd /etc/X11/
06:06<alfred_lost>I am there
06:06<ompaul>mv xorg.conf Faulty.xorg.conf
06:07<ompaul>was it gnome or KDE?
06:07<ompaul> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
06:07<alfred_lost>works man !
06:07<alfred_lost>great !
06:07*ompaul is evil
06:08<ompaul>told you, you were not lost, you were just on the road a little away from your destination
06:08<alfred_lost>offff, thanks I am back now :)
06:09<alfred_lost>thank you ompaul
06:09<ompaul>alfred_lost: never "go back to" remember life is like a one way street you can only go one way :)
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06:09<alfred_lost>well, I am just beginner and decided no more windows !
06:09<alfred_lost>I want to start new year with new OS :)
06:09<ompaul>alfred_lost: that is the best way forward
06:09<ompaul>alfred_lost: why did you choose lenny?
06:09<alfred_lost>and now my screen resolution also works fine
06:09*ompaul is just curious
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06:11<alfred_lost>I think I have lenny
06:11<alfred_lost>that s what I "believe"
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06:12<alfred_lost>how can I know is it lenny or not?
06:12<ompaul>alfred_lost: cat /etc/debian_version
06:12<alfred_lost>went to Debian and downloaded the CD
06:12<ompaul>it most likely is
06:13<ompaul>alfred_lost: if the first number is lower than six and greater than four then it is five and 5.* is lenny
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06:13<alfred_lost>well , need first to switch to Finnish keyboard :)
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06:13<alfred_lost>I can t get the /
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06:14<alfred_lost>my version is 5.0.7
06:15<ompaul>so there you go, that is lenny
06:15<alfred_lost>I need to change the keyboard layout :)
06:15<alfred_lost>stuck to US:)
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06:16<ompaul>in X?
06:16<ompaul>or console?
06:16<alfred_lost>in terminal
06:16<alfred_lost>yes console
06:17<ompaul>export LANG=fi
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06:17<ompaul>does that help in your situation
06:18<ompaul>you can't type that everytime you want but if it gets you started we'll move you on from there
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06:19<ompaul>alfred_lost: you can do this: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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06:19<alfred_lost>nothing happen
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06:21<ompaul>alfred_lost: did the keyboard layout allow you /
06:21<alfred_lost>not yet
06:21<alfred_lost>still US
06:22<ompaul>did you do dpkg-reconfigure locales #
06:22<ompaul>with no #
06:24<alfred_lost>command not found
06:27<alfred_lost>found it :)
06:27<ompaul>it is there ;-) it has to be
06:27<ompaul>either that or you aren't on debian
06:28<alfred_lost>:) I got it
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06:29<alfred_lost>changed to only FI but still the keyboard is US
06:29<babilen>alfred_lost: You probably want "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to set the keymap for the console and the best way to set your X keymap depends on your Desktop Environment/Window Manager. One way is to set it in xorg.conf
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06:30<babilen>Others involve using DE specific mechanisms (e.g. system->keyboard (or so) in Gnome)
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06:31<alfred_lost>babilen, very simple :)
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06:32<alfred_lost>things works very fine now :)
06:32<ompaul>alfred_lost: after you change an environmental setting you need to restart your logged in session for things to take effect
06:32<alfred_lost>thank you all
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06:32<babilen>All that assumes that you are running Lenny -- the method changed in Squeeze. You might want to consider upgrading, but that is absolutely not necessary to fix your problem.
06:32<alfred_lost>I close this computer
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06:33<alfred_lost>this alfred go to sleep :)
06:33<alfred_Back>I am here now
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06:33<alfred_Back>I think ubuntu is the most beginner friendly
06:34<alfred_Back>I had ubuntu for 2 months, everything works fine
06:34<alfred_Back>maybe I go back to ubuntu ?
06:34<ompaul>alfred_Back: however it has it's own ways of doing things, it is most certainly not debian.
06:35<alfred_Back>what is the meaning of an OS, isn't to make things easy ?
06:35<alfred_Back>so if someone can manage with a specific OS, why not to use only that?
06:35<ompaul>debian is easy when you know a little, should everything be hidden from the user (this is offtopic for here)
06:35<alfred_Back>okay :)
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06:36<alfred_Back>well nothing to do in Xmas, playing with Debian, better going out when it is -26
06:36<ompaul>alfred_Back: if you want to talk about what should or should not happen there is always #debian-offtopic :)
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06:36<alfred_Back>I have no voice about what should happen :D
06:37<ompaul>alfred_Back: I have to go
06:38<alfred_Back>thank you ompaul , have a nice day
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07:14<AnAnt>Hello, is it possible to install Debian on a machine that does not have a display ? The machine already has Ubuntu installed, and I can access it via local network
07:16<petemc>you can use serial console or network console
07:16<AnAnt>network console ?
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07:16<mjr>also should be fairly easy to do it from ubuntu with debootstrap on a separate partition
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07:22<AnAnt>mjr: so MIRROR can be a mounted ISO image ?
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07:25<zlatan>hello :)
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07:26<zlatan>can anyone tell me how many packages are there in debian 6
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07:38<cahoot>approx 15000?
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07:41<alfred__>ompaul, are you there?
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07:47<Kev1>hi, I'd like to know what is the gnome evolution channel
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08:10<ompaul>Kev1: #evolution and I think you will find the gnome people but then think of the day it is - they may or may not be near computers
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08:11<Kev1>thank you so much ompaul
08:11<Kev1>merry christmas
08:11<ompaul>you too
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09:17<the_hydra>sorry, might be OOT, but if I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), does that means, I use Debian testing, literally?
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09:19<devil>afaik, its based on testing, yes
09:22<the_hydra>devil, I see.... I also read LMDE's repo is 100% compat with debian...unlike the mainline Mint which is toward Ubuntu's
09:23<devil>thats what i read.
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09:23<the_hydra>devil, thanks
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09:33<alfred_>getting crazy with Debian,
09:33<alfred_>how to upgrade my Lenny to the testing version ?
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09:36<devil>add a line for it in your sources.list
09:37<alfred_>vtts, thx
09:41<blarson>dpkg lenny->squeeze
09:41<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list and change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
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09:59<alfred_>I am moving back to Ubuntu :)
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09:59<alfred_>see you guys and thank you for the support
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10:11<vidkun>i tried creating a bootable usb for debian netinstall iso following the instructions on -- when booting from the USB i only get the message BOOT ERROR however, suggestions?
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12:15<Rovanion>Is there any backport of Firefox 3.6 for Squeeze?
12:15<sney>judd: versions iceweasel
12:15<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch:; etch-security:; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.15-1; sid: 3.5.16-2; experimental: 3.6.13-1
12:15<sney>doesn't seem like it
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12:16<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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12:39<jhutchins_lt>I hear 3.6 is not terribly stable yet.
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12:39<sney>the 4.0 beta is also quite broken apparently
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12:50<Rovanion>Can you recommend any good and simple FTP client?
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12:50<the_hydra>the "ftp" command? have you tried it?
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12:51<the_hydra>Rovanion, not sure which package include that
12:52<LordBelial>Hi people, I need some help with something I don't know how to realize... The thing is that I had to restart my remote machine and I can reach it via ssh. But I don't know how to open a session on that machine in order to open teamviewer...
12:52<the_hydra>LordBelial, simply execute "teamviewer"?
12:53<LordBelial>I did it... but so far I can't reach that machine with the teamviewer
12:54<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: Most web browsers will handle ftp.
12:54<jhutchins_lt>,versions teamviewer
12:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'teamviewer' was found in i386.
12:55<LordBelial>It's teamviewer 6
12:55<jhutchins_lt>LordBelial: So this is not a debian package.
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>LordBelial: Does teamviewer have an IRC channel?
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12:56<Rovanion>jhutchins, I want to connect to a webserver via SFTP, to both read and write on the server.
12:56<the_hydra>Rovanion, in fedora the package is simply named "ftp"..try to search for the same package name using apt-get
12:56<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: I use command line clients or sshfs for that.
12:56<Rovanion>the_hydra, My connection is refused with ftp.
12:57<LordBelial>I see. But is there any option to open a remote session using the debian tools?
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12:57<the_hydra>Rovanion, ah sftp? then install ssh
12:57<Rovanion>There must be something bogus on the server. It closes my ssh connections after logging in correctly
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12:58<the_hydra>Rovanion, could it be that you login into user that don't have valid shell?
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12:59<jhutchins_lt>filezilla is available.
12:59<Rovanion>the_hydra, I loose the connection once I try to tell the server something. So I suppose it could be that.
12:59<Rovanion>Dinners ready, talk to you later
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13:00<the_hydra>Rovanion, ok
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13:37<LordBelial>Hi people, I need some help to establish a connection to a remote host using a graphical environment, but I don't know how to do it
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13:39<the_hydra>LordBelial, that teamviewer problem?
13:39<the_hydra>LordBelial, could you explain briefly, what is teamviewer?
13:41<LordBelial>Yes, hehe... the teamviewer is a software I installed to get connected to my remote machine passing through the firewall... but the fact is that I can reach that machine using the ssh, the thing is that I don't know how to establish a session on that machine graphically
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13:42<the_hydra>LordBelial, something like ssh -X I think?
13:42<the_hydra>LordBelial, aka ssh X tunneling
13:42<LordBelial>I'll try
13:43<the_hydra>LordBelial, I hardly understand your excuse me if the hint isn't correct
13:43<LordBelial>No problem... I appreciate it
13:44<the_hydra>LordBelial, thanks :)
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13:45<the_hydra>LordBelial, I was assuming, you wanna invoke X window manager which reflect the situation of the remote server
13:45<the_hydra>LordBelial, in that case, vnc+ssh tunneling could be the answer
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13:46<LordBelial>I'll try that also because I'm still having some problems using the X command
13:47<the_hydra>LordBelial, good luck...
13:48<LordBelial>Thanks :)
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13:49<the_hydra>LordBelial, I guess teamviewer is GUI only program?
13:49<pipeep>Good news! I got a netbook, and so I'm trying out debian right now!
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13:49<samantha->so i'm creating a raid 5 array ... 4x2tb disks, total space 6tb. does 50-60 hours to "rebuild" the new array sound right?
13:49<LordBelial>the_hydra: Yes, actually it is
13:50<the_hydra>LordBelial, and..uhm, it's a client server program?
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13:50<the_hydra>LordBelial, i.e there's teamviewer server listening and client connect to it?
13:51<LordBelial>I guess so. I just have to keep it open... and it will listen for a request from anywhere
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13:53<the_hydra>LordBelial, hm ok
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13:58<samantha->is ext4 considered ready for production use?
13:59<rik_>samantha-: I would say yes
14:00<samantha->rik_, is an in-place upgrade from ext3 possible? or is a reformat required?
14:00<rik_>in-place upgrade is possible, but it's best to reformat to make sure all files are stored in extents. Otherwise only new files use the new features
14:02<gord>Hello, I'm having an issue unmuting my microphone. Under the gnome volume control I can select to unmute, but upon reopening the volume control the microphone is still muted. alsamixer also reports no controls are available for the microphone.
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14:05<the_hydra>gord, sure alsamixer showed no mic?
14:05<gord>the_hydra, I was in the playback settings, It has a level bar for recording, shows it is umuted, but I still have no sound capture
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14:07<the_hydra>gord, sure you have set it to higher level? try to use arrow key and raise it
14:08<pipeep>I have a bcm4313, which doesn't seem to want to work on resuming from suspend. However, if I run "modprobe -r brcm80211 ; modprobe brcm80211", it works again. How can I run this upon resuming from a suspend?
14:09<pipeep>(I'm running squeeze by the way)
14:09<gord>the_hydra, The level is at 100, I'm not sure how to check if this device is the active capture device, or is that not how alsa works?
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14:12<the_hydra>gord, I assume you correctly saw the capture level in "capture window" (by pressing F4)
14:12<gord>the_hydra, yes, it is at 100. The microphone is a Logitech USB device (AK5370)
14:14<the_hydra>gord, have you tested with certain app (to record)?
14:14<gord>I have tested with Mangler, a voip client, is there another program or command I could use?
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14:19<gord>the_hydra, It seems the microphone is producing output and can be captured in audacity, but my voip program wont take output from the microphone, is there a way to enable this?
14:19<gord>the_hydra, I have selected the proper device in the voip program
14:20<the_hydra>gord, are you 100% using ALSA, or other "wrapper" like JACK or pulseaudio?
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14:22<gord>the_hydra, No, I'm just using alsa, would pulseaudio solve the issue?
14:22<ompaul>gord: voip problems are 92.1% of the time RTP packet transfer problems
14:23<gord>ompaul, The voip program has an indication bar for sound strength. This remains at zero for the duration of speech.
14:23<ompaul>(usual standard of 83.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot)
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14:23<the_hydra>gord, not sure
14:24<the_hydra>gord, depends on what libs your voip program uses
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14:24<ompaul>gord: voip establishes connection using one protocol, and then uses another for voice, the RTP aspect of nat tends to be the long shoelace that trips people up (side note alsa is your friend)
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14:25<patopanamenho>(sorry about the terrible english, but the #debian-br is empty...!) hi people! I moved from Ubuntu to Debian using the dvds images, but i had a feel little problems. He have not found my wireless and my sound hardwares. I havent discovered how to update my mplayer codecs to, or how to install programs like cinelerria... Im not so sure that he is searching in the internet to find updates... i think thats the problem... any ideas?
14:25<gord>the_hydra, ompaul, if pulseaudio is a wrapper it provides an interface between applications and the alsa drivers, could this solve the issue or offer a way to trick my voip program into thinking it is another device?
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14:27<ompaul>gord: pulseaudio is a red herring, does not apply should not be involved and you obviously read what I said already so your problem is now solved ;-) (hint go back and read it slowly)
14:27*pipeep solved his own problem
14:28<ompaul>pipeep: how
14:28<jhutchins_lt>patopanamenho: Do you have network repositories set up in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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14:28*pipeep put script into /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d
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14:29<patopanamenho>how do i do that?
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14:29<patopanamenho>(yes, im extremely n00b...)
14:29<ompaul>pipeep: that works as I don't use sleep (ever) I'll try to keep that in mind for others who do :)
14:29<jhutchins_lt>!tell patopanamenho about sources
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14:30<jhutchins_lt>!tell patopanamenho about dmm
14:31<jhutchins_lt>!tell patopanamenho about non-free sources
14:31<jhutchins_lt>patopanamenho: Read the stuff that dpkg sent you, then we'll need to figure out your audio and wireless chipsets with lspci.
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14:32<samantha->so i'm creating a raid 5 array ... 4x2tb disks, total space 6tb. does 50-60 hours to "rebuild" the new array sound right, when i'm not doing anything else to it (like formatting it)?
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14:34<pipeep>ompaul, a slight gotcha to remember, if you aren't running anything inside of a sleep or resume function, you still need to say "return 0"
14:34<ompaul>pipeep: thanks
14:35<pipeep>Otherwise you'll have a computer that doesn't want to sleep :-P
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14:42<gord>installed pulseaudio, switched mic to pulse monitor, everything hears my microphone, everything went better than expected
14:43<gord>the_hydra, thanks for the help
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14:50<patopanamenho>jhutchins_lt in my sources.list i have only the DVDs, can I only copy the sources that dpkg told me in the bottom of the archive using gedit? it will work?
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15:02<ompaul>patopanamenho: it will work, and you can put a # in front of the dvd's and then when you install from the internet it will be nice and fast, if you are on a slow connection and can afford to copy the ".deb" files from the DVDs into /var/cache/apt/ then if the package has not been upgraded it will install without downloading :)
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15:04<ompaul>patopanamenho: let me be more specific, into /var/cache/apt/archives/ (implied but I should never imply that :-/ sorry )
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15:06<patopanamenho>thanks, ompaul! gedit complains that i dont have the permissions to save the file. what do i do?
15:06<ompaul>patopanamenho: you need to edit it as root
15:07<patopanamenho>where do i find shell for debian? (right now my conection sucks)
15:10<ompaul>from your menu you may have an accessories tab and in there or else search in a utilities menu (that covers gnome and kde)
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>Look for terminal or console
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15:21<peunguenne>hi, i need transparency client gadu-gadu (communicator)
15:21<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: sorry about that, being sloppy to need a -v setting in there to get it across the line
15:22<devil>peunguenne: its not in debian
15:22<peunguenne>i see that in apple
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15:22<peunguenne>but i dont know what is the name of this app
15:23<peunguenne>is any communicator transparency on linux ?
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15:24<peunguenne>did u know what;s name is in Apple
15:24<devil>what is communicator transparency?
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15:25<ompaul>devil: compiz on apple irc client afik
15:25<ompaul>or whatever it is called on apple
15:25<peunguenne>communicator with skin is transparency, or is visible only the contacts
15:25<ompaul>peunguenne: are you using debian?
15:27<peunguenne>i ask u, did know that commnicator
15:27<ompaul>peunguenne: on the top bar of the application you will find it's name
15:27<peunguenne>i havn't this
15:27<ompaul>peunguenne: there are many many
15:27<peunguenne>i loooking for this app
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15:27<ompaul>peunguenne: are you running gnome or kde?
15:27<peunguenne>give me an example
15:28<ompaul>peunguenne: konversation in the internet menu
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15:38<ompaul>peunguenne: you are welcome
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15:42<Muhammad> h r u
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15:42<Muhammad>i am
15:43<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:43<Muhammad>pls help me
15:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:44<Muhammad>i want dictionary file
15:45<Muhammad>for wpa crack
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15:46<Muhammad>when i crack any thing messege is coming no have passphrass in dictionary
15:47<devil>Muhammad: you atre defenitely in the wrong channel
15:48<Muhammad>no realy good channel
15:48<devil>not for your inquiry
15:48<Muhammad>wep key is cracking
15:48<devil>please stop
15:49<Muhammad>but wpa is not cracking
15:49<devil>take it someplace else. thanks
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15:52<Class>where can i find out if hdd set on pio or dma mode ? :)
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15:53<devil>Class: hdparm
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15:55<busty>Where will i find xbins?
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16:04<Class>devil, thanks :)
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16:07<acu>is anything wrong with squeeze repository - I am trying to download daily AMD 64 daily and it does not work - but I used a few das old netinstall - and it freezes when I try ti install
16:08<barth>i have a problem with a squeeze update
16:08<barth>no python update
16:08<barth>the exaxct error is : "OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/reportlab/extensions/'
16:08<barth>I don't find this file in the archive
16:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 422] by debhelper
16:09<barth>with apt-file
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16:09<jhutchins_lt>,versions python
16:09<judd>Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.6.6-3+squeeze4; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze4; experimental: 2.6.6-9
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16:10<barth>I have the problem with the squeeze version
16:10<barth>it does not upgrade propoerly
16:10<Class>is this normal ?
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16:12<ompaul>barth: you have done apt-get dist-upgrade I take it
16:12<barth>aptitude full-upgrade
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16:12<barth>22:16 < ompaul> barth: you have done apt-get dist-upgrade I take it
16:13<ompaul>barth: I saw
16:13<Class>is thous request normal ? can this be a reason of high cpu wait or i/o ?
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16:15<ompaul>barth: apt-get update && apt-get install python && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (not that it will work but it might give more errors)
16:15<barth>ok i try this
16:16<ompaul>barth: actually try to install this python2.6
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16:17<barth>ompaul: doesn't work :
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16:20<ompaul>barth: apt-get is not aptitude :)
16:21<ompaul>similar but not the same
16:21<barth>ok I try with apt-get
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16:22<ompaul>barth: where is your sources.list
16:23<ompaul>pointing to
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16:25<ompaul>barth: # out unstable
16:26<barth>ompaul: ok but i have pinning :
16:26<ompaul>barth: SID = squeeze atm
16:26<barth>so it shouldn't interfere
16:28<Class>someone change hostname of server and i want to find you what was old hostname how can i do this ?
16:28<barth>ompaul: no change
16:28<ompaul>barth: you could wait for the next mirror sync
16:29<ompaul>barth: you could try another mirror
16:29<barth>what is the most uptodate mirror?
16:29<f8l>ompaul: sid = Squeeze? Squeeze is going to be stable soon. How come it's like sid now?
16:30<ompaul>am I wrong in thinking that sid is currently squeeze and when squeeze goes stable sid is going to be very interesting
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16:31<ompaul>barth: if you want to try one try as a temp change
16:31<devil>well, sid and testing are quite close atm
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16:31<ompaul>ah I'm wrong
16:31<ompaul>got my stick upside down :-(
16:31<barth>ok but could you explain me what exactly is the problem?
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16:32<ompaul>you aren't downloading a package that is good - ime
16:32<barth>ah ok
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16:33<ompaul>barth: I'd almost clear out /var/cache/apt/archive
16:33<ompaul>of python packages
16:33<barth>aptitude autoclean?
16:34<devil>barth: from what i see, the path to /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/reportlab/extensions/ is wrong. broken package
16:34<ompaul>you need an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ... this is not autoclean anything this is brute force changing
16:34<devil>at least it would be for python 2.6.6-8
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16:34*ompaul points at more clue (devil)
16:35<barth>so the package is broken?
16:35<ompaul>on that mirror
16:35<devil>barth: you can work around it in this case
16:36<devil>bit of a nasty hack though
16:37<barth>what's the procedure :) ?
16:37<devil>you need to edit the postinst file
16:37<devil>in /var/lib/dpkg/lists
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16:38<devil>sorry, ../dpkg/info
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16:39<barth>i'm trying what with
16:39<barth>if it doesn't work, i'll go for the nasty hack ;)
16:41<ompaul>barth: it is slightly important to do apt-get update && because you need to update the package list :)
16:42<barth>I did apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade after changing the sources.list
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16:42<barth>but i always have the problem with the python package
16:43<ompaul>did you kill off the python packges
16:43<ompaul>rm them
16:43<barth>idem when i apt-get install python2.6
16:43<devil> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/reportlab/extensions/ <== at least in sid, extensions does not exist
16:43<barth>in var yes
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16:43<devil>in reportlab i have: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 21. Sep 15:33 -> ../../../../share/pyshared/reportlab/
16:44<barth>e5200:/var/cache/apt/archives# rm python*
16:44<ompaul>then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade or some such
16:45<barth>i tried that but with no success
16:45<ompaul>apt-cache policy python2.6
16:47<ompaul>barth: aye
16:47<barth>devil : i have an absolute path instead of a relative one : -> /usr/share/pyshared/reportlab/extensions/
16:48<barth>ompaul: is this the sid version?
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16:48<ompaul> Installed: 2.6.6-8
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16:49<barth>it's nearly experimental ... how so?
16:49<ompaul>yours is older
16:50<barth>ok but I shouldn't have this version should I?
16:50<devil>barth: nope
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16:51<ompaul>barth: one question was that box etch at any stage?
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16:51<barth>quite a while ago (few months maybe)
16:52<ompaul>when does not matter
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16:52<ompaul>it was just a wondering
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16:55<ompaul>barth: em, can you paste your current sources.list please
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16:56<ompaul>thanks brb
16:59<devil>that looks sane
16:59<barth>ompaul: I mixed lenny and etch when I answered your question : this box was a lenny but not a etch
17:00<devil>pastebin 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -s' please
17:00<barth>I did a bunch of squeeze upgrades with no problem
17:00<devil>s just simulates
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17:02<devil>oh well… it hangs with the py package
17:02<ompaul>devil: kill the python package with a dpkg db hack?
17:02*ompaul is really loath to suggest that
17:03<barth>I think I need to get rid of this before going on
17:03<ompaul>barth: don't just yet - there are things that can be done
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17:03<devil>barth: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.6.postinst
17:04<barth>i'm in it
17:04<devil>add a: exit 0 right under the shebang, save, apt-get update && apt-get -f install
17:04<devil>after yozu are done, remove the exit 0
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17:07<devil>hm, thats strange
17:08<barth>maybe it's not in the postinst?
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17:10<devil>thats what the error says
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17:10<barth>you are right sorry
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17:11<devil>can we see what: 'dpkg --purge python' would do?
17:11<barth>ok I get it
17:12<barth>i added an exit 0 in the python.postinst and then no error
17:12<devil>well, that was the plan
17:13<devil>so you didnt do it right in the first run?
17:13<barth>no you stated python2.6.postinst
17:13<barth>the file that had to be edited was python.postinst
17:14<barth>but anyway
17:14<devil>oh, right. now i see
17:14<devil>py-crap :)
17:14<barth>so now i don't have errors anymore what could I do?
17:15<devil>remove the exit 0
17:15<devil>[23:00:11] <devil> pastebin 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -s' again please
17:15<barth>an other aptitude full-upgrade to check?
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17:17<devil>you are fully upgrade to squeeze :)
17:18<barth>i'm going to try an another full-upgrade to see if it is working
17:18<devil>we just did
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17:19<barth>i'm going to reinstall python-reportlab
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17:20<barth>ok many thanks to you ompaul and devil
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17:20<barth>the exit 0 in the postinst file was very smart :) !
17:20<ompaul>barth: blame devil :) enjoy and don't be mixin them crazy repos :)
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17:21<barth>I will stay with
17:22<barth>my ISP won't be happy but anyway ;-)
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17:55<asdasd>odpisze ktoś??
17:55<asdasd>pierwszy raz na irc'u
17:56<dpkg>it has been said that pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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19:29<keep>alguem me indica um site com o manual do debian para iniciantes
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20:12<lapfrog>sup dawgs
20:12<lapfrog>lookin to activate my wifi
20:12<lapfrog>i installed the firmware with b43-cutter
20:13<lapfrog>and iwconfig says:
20:13<samantha->connecting to samba on squeeze. on w7, all i get is an endless authentication dialog. i enabled fallback to ntlm1 ... so ... where do i go now?
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20:16<lapfrog>ty, checking
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20:19<lapfrog>network manager shows wireless disabled
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20:33<NightMonkey>samantha-: :)
20:34<NightMonkey>samantha-: I dunno how Samba is configured in Debian, but you'll likely see logs in /var/log/samba/ .
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20:37<vook>lapfrog - you may need
20:38<vook>lapfrog - you need to install the kernel headers
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20:45<ro>is anybody here?
20:45<ro>i am not able to install libreoffece from experimental to squeeze. does anybody know, what is the problem?
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20:47<NightMonkey>ro: Can't see it from here. :) Tell us what you tried, and what you see (use a pastebin for large amounts of text).
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20:49<Khaatio>hi people!
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20:52<Khaatio>has squeeze been released already?
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20:53<Khaatio>nobody here?
20:54<rudi_s>Khaatio: No, no.
20:54<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
20:54<Khaatio>three eyed space alien?
20:55<rudi_s>!release history
20:55<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. And Wheezy after that. See also .
20:55<rudi_s>Khaatio: ^
20:58<Khaatio>i heard that squeeze would be released at christmas
20:59<rudi_s>Sounds like you heard wrong.
20:59<Khaatio>sorry my english may be wrong
21:00<Khaatio>i'm a begenner of english
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21:05<ro>what about libreoffice?
21:07<Khaatio>another name of
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21:07<NightMonkey>Khaatio: Well, it is a fork, not just a rename. :)
21:08<ro>but how to install it from exprimental branch on my squeeze?)
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21:10<NightMonkey>ro: You tried all the steps here?
21:10<lapfrog>hi guys can anyone recommend a nice wireless router? with 4 LAN ports. i'm picking between serioux, canyon, rpc, linksys, asus, edimax and trendnet
21:10<lapfrog>and zyxel
21:12<ro>NightMonkey: i do not want open, i want libre!
21:12<NightMonkey>ro: Cool.
21:13<ro>so this page is not for me)
21:13<lapfrog>vook, what is this?
21:13<vook>I have a macbook pro - broadcom chipset
21:13<vook>you'll need to install kernel headers
21:13<lapfrog>no, im looking for a wireless router, nothing to do with laptop
21:14<lapfrog>this is a hardware question
21:14<NightMonkey>ro: Good luck. It doesn't appear to be in Debian atm.
21:14<vook>ok, 60 minutes ago answer
21:14<lapfrog>you answered to my question from 60 minutes ago?
21:15<lapfrog>i already fixed that, seems the wifi only works if the LAN cable is pulled out lol
21:15<NightMonkey>ro: It does appear that there is a deb:
21:15<vook>lapfrog: not if you use the sta driver - you can shut down the eth0
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21:16<lapfrog>i can disable that from BIOS too, allowing them to run simultaneously
21:16<ro>NightMonkey: i want to install from debian experimental repo branch) it is placed there
21:17<vook>or any driver for that matter, just shut down eth0
21:17<vook>shutdown eth0 by rmmod the eth module
21:18<lapfrog>id rather unplug it
21:18<lapfrog>anyway, is there a hardware channel?
21:19<vook>probably neglibible
21:19<lapfrog>you mean if i shut it down it will save power?
21:19<lapfrog>it's ok im on AC power anyway
21:19<vook>essentially, yes.
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21:19<lapfrog>but now i need a wireless router so i have something to connect to
21:19<lapfrog>the neighbor's wifi is passworded
21:19<vook>Droid has taught me...
21:19<lapfrog>so im looking for a good brand
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21:20<vook>Linksys, based on cisco
21:20<lapfrog>let's see
21:20<lapfrog>they have a linksys WRT54GH
21:21<NightMonkey>ro: Sorry, someone else will have to help you with that. :)
21:21<vook>go for N, they're cheap now
21:21<vook>wireless N not, step beyond G
21:21<ro>NightMonkey: yep ))) but thanks a lot)
21:22<lapfrog>they only have this WRT54GH on the website im shopping on
21:22<lapfrog>it's sufficiently cheap
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21:24<lapfrog>oh i found WRT 120N
21:24<lapfrog>u think is good?
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21:25<vook>lapfrog: newegg
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21:25<lapfrog>too late i already filled the shopping cart :P
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21:26<lapfrog>i have free delivery
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21:27<lapfrog>is there a hardware channel i can ask? or a networking chan
21:27<lapfrog>s/ask/ask on/
21:28<vook>lapfrog: This will end - it is offtopic
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21:33<lin21>when is the release of 6.0?
21:33<guilherme>i want to exec "java -cp /usr/share/java/weka.jar weka.clusterers.SimpleKMeans -N 2 -t ./"$file" -c last | grep Inc " for all files in a dir
21:33<guilherme>i tryed this:
21:34<guilherme>for file in *.arff; do $(echo "java -cp /usr/share/java/weka.jar weka.clusterers.SimpleKMeans -N 2 -t ./"$file" -c last"); done;
21:34<guilherme>but i cant use the "| grep "Inc", how caon i put it?
21:35<lin21>hi guiltherme do you know when the release of debian 6.0 squezze is?
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21:36<guilherme>no, why?
21:37<lin21>i was looking to download it and on wikipedia it showed a release date of December 25
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21:39<lin21>or is it still frozen?
21:39<guilherme>squeeze is a testing one, right?
21:40<lin21>ya i think so
21:40<NightMonkey>lin21: You don't have to wait. You can download it now.
21:41<guilherme>there are a new one every day, no?
21:41<lapfrog>im trying to turn on the laptop fan, any ideas?
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21:41<lin21>i though those are beta?
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21:42<NightMonkey>lin21: (BTW, wikipedia does not show that squeeze was released, just that Christmas was the goal)
21:43<vook>lapfrog, what make, model?
21:43<lin21>i shouldnt have any problems with the testing version?
21:43<lapfrog>compaq tc4400
21:43<lapfrog>nvm i turned it on
21:44<lapfrog>i echoed '0' to /proc/acpi/fan/something/state
21:44<NightMonkey>lin21: Perhaps they meant Orthodox Christmas. ;)
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21:44<lin21>thanks :)
21:46<NightMonkey>lin21: No guarantees. I'm running an ARM version, and it's been working fine.
21:46<lapfrog>ok i have another problem
21:46<lapfrog>i can't click on the trackpad
21:46<lapfrog>it tracks the cursor ok, but i can't tap my finger on it to generate a click
21:47<lapfrog>i suspect it's being treated as a regular mouse
21:47<guilherme>i use squeeze too, itś working fine to me
21:47<lapfrog>ok nvm i found gnome settings for that
21:48<lapfrog>but now i want to enable pointstick tap clicking
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22:12<glc>Hello all, newbie question, after installing debian im having trouble connecting to the internet through wifi, can anyone suggest a guide to help me
22:13<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>.
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22:15<glc>lapfrog: thanks
22:17<lapfrog>domo arigato mister roboto
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22:21<jhutchins>glc: Daytime in Europe and the US is a bit more helpful.
22:23<glc>jhutchins: ok, ill try tomorrow if i cant figure it out alone, thanks
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22:54<B00l34n>can you teach me about xss reflected
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23:09<banjo597>what is debian about?
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23:40<BlueG>I am working with Apache on a Debian server where a link to /foo returns a 404 error while the same link on my personal server (also Apache on Debian) returns the output of /foo.php. However, on the remote server /foo will give the contents of /foo.html (if it exists), but never foo.php. Any ideas?
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23:49<cesarh>help me, how install Epson Stylus TX110 Debian Lenny
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23:59<amitz>cesarh: google ppd and printer name
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