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00:25<nutterpc>anyone know of a good cpuburn type program/
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00:32<devil>how about cpuburn?
00:34<nutterpc>installin it now, then when i get back home from work, can start runnin it so i can find this processors l;imits
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02:32<Silicium01>How can I boot into debian without X/Gnome once?
02:33<Silicium01>Is single user mode during grub menu that what I'm looking for?
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04:22<sweet>how to open webcam in linux
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04:23<sweet>how to open webcam
04:23<cahoot>in principle: by loading the needed module
04:24<sweet>toshiba webcam
04:24<cahoot>usb cam? run lsusb to find its usbid
04:24<sweet>no inbuilt in laptop
04:25<sweet>laptop cam
04:25<cahoot>run lsusb anyway
04:25<sweet>than what
04:26<cahoot>see any line that seems to correspond to the cam?
04:27<sweet>saw 8 option and one with some value like :64e:d104 Suyin Corp
04:27<sweet>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 064e:d104 Suyin Corp.
04:27<cahoot>the exact value can be used for googling
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04:28<sweet>how to use cam...plz expalin in simplle way
04:30<sweet>ok leave it
04:30<cahoot>the thing is - you have to figure out what chipset the camera has
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04:30<cahoot>so you need its identity
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04:31<sweet>i wil try and say after some time
04:32<sweet>which is the best line in computer to earn more money
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04:32<sweet>i m student
04:33<sweet>what is concept of free it is profitable to owner
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04:36<sweet>hey frnd
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04:38<sweet>i m leaving
04:38<sweet>bye..good day
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04:39<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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04:56<sweet>how to crack window os
04:56<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
04:56<sweet>i want to know how window is encrpted by microsoft
04:57<cahoot>sweet: you're totally out of line here - stop it
04:57<sweet>thanks i want someone rply
04:58<sweet>i saw window exe file running using wine so what concept it exe runnable in linux?
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04:59<sweet>i run one game..arasan.exe of chess
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05:01<sweet>what is the use of x-server
05:03<mjr>the X server provides basic windowed input and output (drawing operations and such) to applications
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05:03<sweet>is any misleading than sorry to all..
05:03<mjr>and you might be able to run windows exes through wine - it's imperfect, but pretty good these days
05:03<sweet>but it's true .exe can run on linux platform
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05:04<mjr>shouldn't rely on being able to run any given windows exe though
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05:06<sweet>what is digital forensics
05:07<cahoot>tried wikipedia?
05:07<sweet>ok i try
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05:12<hide>Good morning everyone. Is it possible to redirect boot progress output to both, the monitor and serial (RS232) console?
05:13<sweet>ok i will's too long to understand for software air 1.2.8 in digital forensic category
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05:22<sweet>is there any software available that show my network connection graphically..means show router and path and also layer
05:25<sweet>is i againg go out of track?
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05:28<tweek>sweet: just googled, maybe this:
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05:30<sweet>tweek: thanks
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05:32<hide>Any ideas about the double console thing?
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05:36<tweek>hey, um, question to all debian laptop users: integrated intel graphics or dedicated nvidia/ati graphics? i don't game at all, but i want compositing (kwin) to work and intel seem to be nothin but trouble (on my current laptop i can't even smooth-scroll in iceweasel, and dual monitor does not work with compositing enabled). of course i would prefer intel because they are free, but will i also be able to smooth scroll in firefox and such
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05:38<cahoot>tweek: I've got a t61 sporting intel, never had any problems with scrolling - no kwin though
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05:39<tweek>yeah, compositing makes a big difference
05:40<tweek>and i wouldn't wanna miss it, although kwin can also work without it
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05:44<devil>tweek: my GM965 does all the kde desktop effects fine.
05:45<hide>tweek: ONLY integrated Intel graphics for a laptop. Nothing else
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06:05<sweet>what is the main use of debian ..?is it good for server compare to fedora?
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06:06<ompaul>sweet: I use it as a desktop and I use it as a server in many cases for both purposes so it is great at both (I wouldn't accept less)
06:06<babilen>sweet: Debian is most commonly used as an operating system for computers.
06:07<devil>...and smartphones, embedded devices …
06:07<babilen>sweet: And yes, it is good for servers. No idea how it compares to Fedora though.
06:07<tweek>smartphones? is there any truly free smartphone os?
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06:08<devil>well, if it is compared as a server system, it should be compared to RHEL, not fedora
06:08<devil>tweek: android?
06:09<tweek>there aren't any meego smartphones yet, are there?
06:10<tweek>and i heard that android is too heavily integrated with google that it really wouldn't work without a google account
06:10<devil>tweek: some parts dont work without a google account.
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06:14<faheem>hi, does anyone know what the debian installer uses to copy data between partitions?
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06:45<Guest2961>get password to youtube
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06:46<Guest2961>hi iam hacker
06:48<babilen>no, you are Guest2961
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06:49<Leda>anyone can help me with a network issue?
06:49<locklace>!hack Guest2961
06:49*dpkg 0WnZ Guest2961 and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive.
06:49<babilen>Leda: Just ask
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06:51<babilen>Leda: Please do not /msg people -- Just ask you question here. There are a bunch of people apart from me in this channel.
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06:52<babilen>s/you/your :-\
06:52<Leda>babilen:did you get my pm?
06:54<babilen>yes, but please repeat it in here. I'll be back later and there are a bunch of other people in here that are willing/able to help. If not, you can try #debian or ##networking over at
06:55<Leda>I've got Squeeze and since yesterday, suddenly, am not able to connect to the Internet. I've had Linux for 2 years but still am at a loss what to do now. What commands should I try?
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06:56<Walex>Leda: always 'ping', 'sudo traceroute'
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06:57<Walex>Leda: those are the very basic *Internet* connectivity tests
06:58<Leda>Walex: 'ping' output is uknown host
06:59<Leda>Walex: 'sudo traceroute' output service not known
06:59<Walex>Leda: try '' (BBC web site)
06:59<Walex>Leda: this is not a Debian issue, it is likely to be a ##networking one.
07:00<Walex>Leda: do you have any access to the other computers on your local network?
07:00<Leda>walex: try '' (BBC web site) output 'destination host unreachable'
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07:02<Walex>Leda: try 'route' and see if you have a default route. Anyhow there are very many pages describing basic network troubleshooting and given that you have *some* network access you should follow one. It could be a simple as a loose cable.
07:02<Leda>Walex: there are no other computers on my local network
07:03<Leda>ok, I'll try ##networking as well. It's the first time I use irc to seek help.
07:03<Walex>Leda: if there were no other computers that you would never be able to access the internet. There must be at least another computer to route between your LAN and your ISP.
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07:03<Walex>Leda: that computer might look like a box with a few lights, but must be there...
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07:04<Leda>Walex: lol, sorry for my ignorance. Mayber it's the cable, cause only the green light is on. Usually the orange one is blinking as well...
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07:05<Leda>Walex: but the same cable works on the Windows computer that I'm using now to get help.
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07:05<Walex>Leda: usually the steady light means "connected to something" and the blinking light means "some data transmitted or received"
07:05<sweet>leda:orange for dls..may be your servise provide has no servise to u..check that
07:06<Leda>Walex: I'm even thinking whether it's not the internal socket that is faulty...
07:06<Walex>Leda: the first check is to make sure that you can ping the LAN/ISP router/bridge, usually has an address like 192.168.x.y
07:06<Leda>sweet: as I wrote, the connection is fine as I tried the cable on a different computer and it works
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07:07<Leda>Walex: I got you. Just a sec, I ll check that.
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07:08<sweet>like ..192.168.x.y.. r u able to see the setting of your modem with any kind of url..than try to reboot from last well config setting..
07:09<Leda>Walex: the address of our router is I can't access the page from Debian, but I CAN access it from my windows computer that I use only now to seek help.
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07:10<Leda>Walex: that means that the cable is fine and the router is working ok.
07:10<Walex>Leda: then the cable is bad or poorly put in or the network configuration has been "lost"
07:10<Leda>Walex: I don't think the cable is bad as it works on my other PC
07:10<Walex>Leda: if you do 'sudo ifconfig' you should see two paragraphs
07:10<Leda>Walex: it's most probably is the lost conf...
07:11<Leda>Walex: just a sec
07:11<Leda>Walex: yes, I see them.
07:12<Leda>Walex: eth0 and lo
07:12<sweet>leda:r u able to view your modem setting from any url?
07:12<Leda>sweet: the connection is fine, the cable works ok if inserted into my other PC.
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07:13<babilen>Leda: Try "ip route" you should get output like "default via dev eth0" -- What is the result of "ping" (replace with the actual value) ?
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07:14<babilen>Leda: How do you configure your interfaces?
07:15<locklace>real men configure their interfaces with dd and /dev/kmem
07:15<babilen>locklace: what about real woman?
07:15<Leda>babilen: 'ip route' result is: dev eth0 ...
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07:16<babilen>Leda: And the "default ..." line?
07:16<locklace>real women can get real men to do all their dirty work
07:16<babilen>I'll guess "default via dev eth0" -- correct?
07:17<Leda>babilen: the result of 'ping'is destination host unreachable
07:17<babilen>why do you think you have to ping ?
07:17<babilen>What about "ping" ?
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07:18<Leda>babilen: And the default line: default dev eth0 scope link metric 1002
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07:19<Leda>babilen: quote 'why do you think you have to ping ?`: it's the address that I put into my webbrowser to view my modem configuration
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07:20<babilen>Leda: Sorry, but I'm leaving now.
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07:20<ansgar>Leda: Where does the route come from?
07:20<Leda>babilen: tnx anyway!
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07:21<Leda>ansgar: do you mean where did I get the address from?
07:22<babilen>Leda: You should try: 1. Bring your interface down and up again (ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0) and check if you get a new address+dns ... configuration (this assumes that your wired interface is indeed configured in /etc/network/interfaces and that you are not using something like network-manager or wicd
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07:23<ansgar>Leda: No, the route you mentioned above.
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07:24<Leda>ansgar: I don't know
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07:26<babilen>Leda: That might be all you need -- if that still does not work: Bring down the interface (ifdown eth0) and bring it up again (ifconfig eth0 up) -- try to get an address manually (dhclient3 eth0) and check the results ... Also try to ping your nameservers (the IP addresses listed in /etc/resolv.conf) -- try to figure out what is wrong. Are you actually connected to your router? Is your DSL modem connected to your ISP? Does ICMP (ping) traffic work ...
07:26<babilen>... (ping -- does nameresolution work (nslookup ....
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07:27<babilen>good luck .. and please explain how you configure your interfaces as that is crucial information for the debugging
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08:29<scratchy>morning all
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08:55<e-mode>Hi! I am translating a page.... I am trying to understand if this channel and the one on Freenode are the same so that I can change the (not-working) link on the page to Freenode with one that points to the IRC oFTC page
08:56<cahoot>two different
08:56<e-mode>ah, OK
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09:48<e-mode>I have to make a complete backup/restore image of a WinXP used laptop with OS preinstalled (licence/serialNo stickers) with the tools I am familiar with (Linux/Debian). I thought - Debian Gnome Live CD with ntfsprogs, using dd to backup MBR, partition table, bootloader, ntfsclone for the HD content. Since if the need arise I won't have a second chance, I'd like hints, suggestions or to know if there are faults in my reasoning. thanks.
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09:49<valdyn>e-mode: why dont you dd the whole disk?
09:49<valdyn>e-mode: space constraints?
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09:50<e-mode>no, HD is little 40GB and I have an external huge USB one,
09:50<valdyn>e-mode: i would prefer to dd the whole disk, less chance of error
09:50<e-mode>like dd if=/dev/hda .... and that's it?
09:50<valdyn>e-mode: thats it
09:50<e-mode>but also have to dd the MBR and partition table, right?
09:51<valdyn>e-mode: you already did with if=/dev/hda
09:51<e-mode>oh, much easier than I thought, then
09:51<valdyn>e-mode: the first 512 byte block of that image contains the partition table and the mbr
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09:52<e-mode>good, I'll do that then, seems simpler and less error prone. thanks
09:52<valdyn>e-mode: and the first partition should start at the 513th byte or after the first block, same thing
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10:14<gabrieluk>hello! Happy new year Debian community!!!
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10:43<gabrieluk>has anyone using tight vnc to remote desktop connection?
10:43<amitz>don't ask to ask, just ask?
10:44<cahoot>!anyone use
10:44<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
10:45<amitz>gabrieluk: what's your question?
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10:46<gabrieluk>i think this is a theme that just shocks.maybe i should shoot my mouth and keep it for me the results of my research.
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10:47<gabrieluk>nothing particular,just new to all this ,trying to gatter opinions...feellings...etc
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10:49<gabrieluk>direct question.whats better.gnome or kde?
10:49<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
10:49<gabrieluk>ahhhhh...don't hurt me pls! :D
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10:50<gabrieluk>wich "main" features kde would have,that gnome doesn't?
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10:51<ompaul>gabrieluk: same answer - polls - you try them you use them you decide
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10:52<gabrieluk>try them is the best.i alwaysssss do that.this is just a trial random questioning i like doing(might get some good tips time savers some times :) )
10:52<amitz>gabrieluk: we're nice :-) but we like to keep or noise minimal so that important question can be answered quickly. Gnome and KDE are too complex to be compared abstractly (which one is better, etc)
10:53<gabrieluk>i heard gnome a bit lame
10:54<gabrieluk>not sure way,the article was removed
10:54<gabrieluk>not sure why*
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10:55<gabrieluk>but i dont know it well,so again,try,test,try,test,test,test,test, :D
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10:59<tweek_>gabrieluk: to make it shorter than one should: gnome = fewer features, fewer bugs, kde = more features, more bugs. personally i use kde, because it looks cool, which is as good a reason as any i suppose
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11:00<tweek_>why do i have an underscore trailing my name
11:00<tweek_>all of a sudden
11:00<tweek_>im a bit new to irc
11:00<gabrieluk>ty, answer my question,as an anti bug guy,i prefer to stay with the non featured one.+ to Gnome :D ty again
11:00<cahoot>got a ghost
11:01<tweek_>what does that mean?
11:01<cahoot>logged in twice
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11:01<babilen>tweek_: try "/nick tweek" or "/msg nickserv help regain"
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11:02<babilen>there you go
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11:02<TrueNhero>hi, how could i execute 2 intances of mplayer from a 1 command line, i want to play 2 videos at the same time to see diferences
11:02<tweek>hey, since we're already on this: how can i have 2 channels on 1 server open in 2 terminal windows without logging in twice?
11:03<tweek>whith irssi
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11:04<babilen>tweek: "/window new" + "/j #the_channel_you_want_to_join" ?
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11:05<tweek>no, i meant, like another physical terminal window
11:05<cahoot>TrueNhero: (guess) mplayer video1 && mplayer video2 - no go?
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12:01<ribatejoluso>how do I enable a menu on the pdf printer to select page size?
12:02<riconaldo>i do'nt know
12:02<ribatejoluso>it's selected for A4 if i go to cups I can select manually before printing but i wanted to do it from the print dialog, which uses the value selected under cups
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12:03<ompaul>ribatejoluso: if the printer in cups does not have the facility to use A3 then you usually can't add it to an application
12:04<ompaul>ribatejoluso: then there are times when a printer has facilities and applications need to be told about them too (the world is not always a kind place ;-))
12:04<ribatejoluso>ompaul, I know that, believe me ;)
12:05<ribatejoluso>my point is that under cups there are many options available for page size
12:05<ribatejoluso>I mean, for the same printer
12:05<ribatejoluso>but whn i choose print from firefox,aH!!!! found it
12:07<ribatejoluso>ok, so when i choose print from firefox (using XFCE), I can't change the page size
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12:08<ribatejoluso>but if i chose print preview, I can change the size under page setup button
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12:10<mauro>ubuntu es
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12:12<ribatejoluso>is someone hacking me again? :)
12:12<ribatejoluso>/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
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12:23<tash>is there already any free driver for bradcoms wifi? I read that they freed they code
12:24<jhutchins_lt>tash: Which chipset?
12:25<tash>am asking in general, the bmc43 series
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12:28<devil>tash: there is for some.
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12:29<tash>I read on the wiki and still is required to activate the non-free
12:30<tash>anyway, I guess they just freed them
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12:30<devil>tash: OpenFWWF 5.2 supports BCM4306, BCM4311 revision 1, BCM4318, BCM4320
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12:31<tash>mine is a bmc4313, too bad
12:32<tash>hopefully it will be sopported soon
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12:36<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (all 802.11n) are not supported, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
12:37<dpkg>brcm80211 is an open source mac80211 driver released by Broadcom, supporting the <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included as a staging driver in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images for x86. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide.
12:38<tash>awww :(
12:38<tash>it seems like I have a big blob
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12:43<jhutchins_lt>tash: Good news they mostly work fine.
12:44<tash>jhutchins_lt, the blob ?
12:44<kbx__>On a system with an encrypted LVM (dm-crypt), I would like to install another Debian Squeeze, but the installer does not recognize or open the LVM. What can I do?
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13:02<tash>it seems like I'll have to buy an usb wifi adapter
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13:03<otzi>hello. when I type ctrl+j on a terminal it seems to be interpreted as a return, who is responsible for that? What program? The terminal emulator? X? The kernel?
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13:03<otzi>where can I read about that?
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13:08<ro>hi all, when is libreoffice going to be moved to the testing from experimental??
13:09<tweek>kbx__: i also have the dm-crypt + lvm setup. i thought i'd deal with that question when it comes to it, especially since i vowed not to reinstall yet again, but i bookmarked one thread about that issue in ubuntu:
13:09<otzi>ro: probably sometime after squeeze release
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13:10<petemc>otzi: your shell controls that, bind -P will print current key bindings
13:10<tweek>hey when will squeeze be released anyway? the homepage is not very verbose.
13:10<otzi>tweek: I don't think the date is set yet
13:10<ompaul>tweek: when it's ready
13:11<otzi>petemc: cool. I'll take a look
13:11<tweek>ompaul: i know :-) let me rephrase: is there an estimate on when it will be ready?
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13:12<valdyn>tweek: extrapolate from
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13:12<ompaul>tweek: which translates to, there are some bugs, some of them stop the release, when they are fixed or the packages associated with them are dropped, so when the bugs are decided not to be release critical then it will be released
13:12<ompaul>tweek: or like valdyn says :)
13:13<otzi>!tell tweek squeeze pool
13:13<kbx__>tweek: I just found a solution but it is not very nice: Go to the console, load the kernel modules and open the encrypted parition manually. You can find details at (in german).
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13:21<tweek>kbx__: thanks for the link, that looks about as straightforward as i had hoped it would be.
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13:22<tweek>although, on a more general note, this should be included in the installer, so people know about the option.
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13:25<jordanm>tweek: those requests are usually submitted to the maintainer in the form of "wishlist" serverity bugs
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13:29<tweek>jordanm: someone did:
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13:31<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... See and . See also <guess the release date>.
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13:35<chealer>dpkg: no, when will squeeze release is <reply>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See and . See also <guess the release date>.
13:35<dpkg>chealer: okay
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13:42<Dominus>Ok. What's the easiest way to transfer files between server and laptop/local machine? I tried using sftp, but don't know how to copy entire directories with it :/
13:42<Dominus>CLI only btw.
13:43<kbx__>tweek: But in fact it is a missing functionality in the Debian installer. Where can we report this or is it already well-known?
13:43<devil>Dominus: scp?
13:43<ompaul>Dominus you could use tar czf - /path/files-to-copy | ssh user@remotehost "cat > /path/data.tgz"
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13:43<jordanm>Dominus: scp /path/to/directory user@foo:/destination
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13:44<Dominus>many replies.
13:44<jordanm>ompaul: why the need to eat CPU on both nodes?
13:44<Dominus>Okay, I'll try out scp first
13:44<ompaul>Dominus: or you use use rsync -ave ssh /local/path/* user@farbox:/other/path/.
13:45<ompaul>jordanm: cpu is generally cheap
13:45<Dominus>scp seams .. somehow easier :)
13:45<jordanm>ompaul: not in my field :)
13:45<Gathond>Dominus: depends
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13:46<devil>spc -r in this case (whole dir)
13:46<Gathond>Dominus: only if bandwidth is irrelevant
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13:46<ompaul>Dominus: bookmark this:
13:46<ompaul>jordanm: fair point and well made :)
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13:47<Dominus>ompaul: I do know how to copy files directories recursively
13:47<jordanm>Dominus: -r. see "man scp"
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14:33<Dominus>jordanm: thanks. I made it work a little time ago ;)
14:33<Dominus>Just wanted to say thanks for your help, once again :)
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14:52<Slydder1>I am trying to find out which process is creating a file. normally I would use lsof to find out which process is accessing it currently. however, the process creates the file and then doesn't access it afterwards. does anyone know of a util that will monitor for such an event and report the process that created it? something like dirwatch that actually works.
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14:56<Dominus>Do you know anything to LAMP?
14:56<valdyn>!tell Dominus -about ask
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14:57<Dominus>Fair enough :)
14:58<Dominus>well, I've never used the LAMP package bundle, and I've been used to using phpMyAdmin and just receive an email with my database host, username and password. But now I've bought a server, on which I could choose to get LAMP installed, which I chose. And I got no info about how to use it.. So what would I write in a database-connect script at host, username, etc.
14:59<Dominus>I consider above explanation quite bad. I'll try to see if I can rephrase it
15:00<Dominus>Actually.. never mind :o
15:00<Dominus>I will go play around, and come back when I have a more specific problem
15:00<Dominus>Sorry for wasting your time :/
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15:07<Dominus>Ok. I'm using the mysql cli tool. I've created a DB and when I try to run CREATE TABLE, it'll say "No database selected". Where would I write which DB to use?
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15:10<e-mode>Dominus: USE <name-of-database> maybe?
15:10<babilen>USE your_database;
15:11<babilen>i would recommend using postgresql though
15:12<Dominus>ty :)
15:12<Dominus>what is postgresql? :S
15:13<babilen>Another database.
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15:14<Dominus>But I know MySQL and have never had any problems with it
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15:15<Dominus>It is still SQL I guess. But how would it work with PHP? I am using commands like mysql_connect and stuff like that. Would that be postgresql_connect ? :P
15:15<babilen>ok, have fun then. I was under the impression that you just decided to go with MySQL and wanted to suggest using one of the alternatives. But please, continue and have a good life :)
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15:16<babilen>Dominus: I am not the best person to ask about that. The languages I program in typically define some database agnostic API for accessing different database backends, so it does not really matter which one you use.
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15:17<babilen>And I have absolutely no knowledge of PHP, except that I disliked the experience of programming in it for 2 weeks.
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15:18<Dominus>Hmm. Okay. I'll try to give it a search around some places, to see if it's usable :)
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15:18<Dominus>Ok, there are functions in PHP to use with postgresql
15:18<NightMonkey>Slydder1: It is a hack, but you could do something like "watch -n .5 --difference=cumulative fuser -vm /dir/file/is/in/"
15:21<Gathond>postgresql is a lot less forgiving regarding the SQL syntax and the schema (in my experience though)
15:21<Gathond>although that is based on MySQL 4.x not 5.x (I think strict mode was introduced there which should be something akin to the same9
15:22<weasel>being strict is a feature
15:22<Dominus>Ok. I have another question. Stuff located in /usr/share/ - is that supposed to be viewable from the net (aka. browser)?
15:23<Gathond>ohh I changed to postgresql for that exact feature
15:23<Gathond>Dominus: perhaps, a lot of it may be as the default, it should just be documentation I think
15:23<Gathond>/usr/share/doc right?
15:24<Dominus>Yeah, probably. Nonetheless I can't access http://myip/phpmyadmin
15:24<Dominus>There's a folder (containing PHP files) in both /usr/share and /usr/share/doc
15:24<Dominus>me shutup now
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15:33<Dominus>I can't get access to //localhost/phpmyadmin
15:33<Dominus>localhost = my ip address
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15:35<jhutchins_lt>Dominus: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian
15:36<Dominus>Yeah, I found it. But it says you have to run a script which will open for writing into a config file.. and then it says you have to go to //myip/phpmyadmin/setup/index.php
15:37<Dominus>and then it'll say "404 not found"
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15:42<iBook>hello from Sweden
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15:43<jhutchins_lt>Dominus: Have you restarted apache?
15:43<dmpjk>hello again
15:43<zem>anyone knows if it's safe to install google earth from sid? (squeeze here)
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15:44<jhutchins_lt>zem: sid is never safe.
15:44<devil>well, the GE package works
15:45<devil>the latest one
15:45<chealer>Dominus: which Debian suite do you use?
15:45<zem>by safe i mean, won't break anything if you install it, at least this moment
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15:47<devil>zem: it does not destroy anything in sid. no idea how it behaves in squeeze
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15:49<dmpjk>hi im a mac user, im considering debian for my ppc g4 laptop. should i?
15:55<dmpjk>ty helix
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15:55<dmpjk>boot rom version is 4.9.3f0
15:56<dmpjk>helix: are you a ppc-mac owner?
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15:56<dmpjk>i used to own an x86 dell running ubuntu
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15:57<XayOn>dmpjk: I'm one, but my mac has been unused for a year or two :(
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15:58<dmpjk>XayOn: is it a debianmac?
15:58<dmpjk>is it true that apple is using openfirmware?
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16:00<XayOn>no idea
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16:04<dmpjk>XayOn: what kind of mac do you have?
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16:14<Dominus>jhutchins_lt: I don't know how to do that =)
16:14<Dominus>chealer: I use Debian 5.0 - LAMP
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16:15<chealer>Dominus: can you show the message? is the server accessible from the Internet?
16:16<Dominus>Not Found
16:16<Dominus>The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server.
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16:16<Dominus>the folder phpmyadmin is in /usr/share/
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16:16<babilen>dmpjk: yes, they use openfirmware.
16:16<dmpjk>babilen: ty
16:17<Dominus>All the files I want to show on the web I usually put in /var/www/ :S
16:17<chealer>Dominus: can you show the message that says you have to run a script which will open for writing into a config file?
16:17<dmpjk>im reading as much as possible
16:17<dmpjk>irc being the best search engine
16:17<Dominus>chealer: ok. It's from the README file, hold on.
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16:20<chealer>Dominus: README.Debian says you have to run that script?
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16:20<Dominus>1. as root, run /usr/sbin/pma-configure
16:21<Dominus>2. Go to setup script URL with a browser (e.g. http://localhost/phpmyadmin/setup/index.php)
16:21<Dominus>And that's the part where I can't go any further. Because it'll return 404
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16:22<bittin>somone wants a Diaspora invite?
16:22<chealer>Dominus: yes but my version of README.Debian doesn't say you need to follow that procedure.
16:23<Dominus>hmm. okay, well mine does :o
16:23<chealer>Dominus: if yours does it must have been a bug.
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16:24<Dominus>a bug that you have to run that script?
16:24<chealer>Dominus: could you paste the whole README.Debian?
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16:24<Dominus>Ok, sure. Hold on
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16:29<chealer>Dominus: I don't know why the URL would be a 404, but note that README.Debian doesn't say you need to follow that procedure.
16:29<Dominus>I wouldn't if I could connect to /phpmyadmin/..
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16:36<jhutchins>Mine is on lenny and just works after an apache restart.
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16:48<Dominus>how do you restart apache?
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16:49<cthuluh>invoke-rc.d apache restart
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16:49<Dominus>"Web server to reconfigure automatically: apache2, apache, apache-ssl, apache-perl, lightpttd" <-- what to choose?
16:49<Dominus>cthuluh: ty
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16:50<Osiris_X>anyone know where I can download debian packages for eclipse helios (3.6.x) ?
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16:52<hamush>i never want another apt related tool to use or ask about autoremove in any capacity... does anybody know how i can arrange that?
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16:53<babilen>hamush: Always make sure that you either remove that packages or unmarkauto them?
16:54<hamush>i was kinda hoping there was a setting somewhere i could flip and never have to worry about it again
16:54<Dominus>It still doesn't work after restarting apache :(
16:54<babilen>hamush: What do you mean by "worry" -- What behaviour do you actually want?
16:55<babilen>hamush: I am not sure how you can turn off the notifications in apt-get, because I don't use it.
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16:57<devil>hamush: if you want to disable autoremove, you do it in /etc/apt
16:57<hamush>the goal immediately in front of me is to run "aptitude hold" without having to uninstall a bunch of packages (aptitude wants to autoremove first before doing anything else). i think i can use dpkg directly somehow to "hold" a package, but i figured i'd use the opportunity to figure out how to completely disable autoremove since i don't use it and my misconceptions of how it works have caused me issues in the past
16:58<hamush>i read about putting "APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "0";" in apt.conf, but it didn't work for me, for some reason
16:58<babilen>I wouldn't recommend disabling autoremove as you will end up with a lot of unused packages
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16:58<Dominus>I made a symbolic link pointing /usr/share/phpmyadmin to /var/www
16:59<Dominus>It's now working
16:59<Dominus>Thank you Google
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16:59<ml|_>what babilen said x2 and just take care of that on a case by case basis
17:00<babilen>hamush: You might want to read about "markauto" and "unmarkauto" in aptitude's manpage
17:00<ml|_>!congratulate Dominus
17:00<dpkg>Yay Dominus, you did it!
17:01<Dominus>Now how do I change the password? :o Username is just root but there's no password
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17:02<hamush>babilen: i read about that, but i'd rather just disable the feature altogether than reissue commands periodically to get me out of trouble.... i was hoping for something that does what apt.conf's APT::Get::AutomaticRemove setting looks like it should do
17:03<babilen>I am curious. Why do you actually want that behaviour?
17:04<devil>hamush: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "0"; works for me.
17:05<babilen>and it should work -- may we have a look at your file, hamush? You might also be interested in: APT::Get::HideAutoRemove "1";
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17:06<hamush>babilen: my autoremove marks are already screwed up from apt-get's behavior/my poor habits (running apt-get install pacakge to verify that a package is installed, before i realized that resulted in a mark), the feature always wants to remove packages i need for reasons it doesn't know about, i don't want any packages to be removed ever unless i am explicitly asking for package removal (personal safety preference)
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17:07<hamush>devil: hmm... maybe that setting is just for apt-get? aptitude definitely won't let me hold a package without going through autoremove first
17:07<hamush>i'll pastebin my conf, 1 sec
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17:08<devil>hamush: i do not use aptitude, so i dont know.
17:08<ml|_>why aptitude ;)
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17:09<hamush> is my conf
17:10<hamush>ml|: heh, good question... usually i just use apt-get, but in this case, i'm wanting to "hold" a package, something apt-get does not support
17:10<ml|_>you guys might want to /msg dpkg why aptitude and why not aptitude _if_ you haven;t already
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17:10<hamush>i could issue some commands to dpkg to accomplish the same thing, but i was hoping i could just get aptitude to not want to autoremove so i could not have to bother with learning dpkg :)
17:11<ml|_>hamush: I was j/k; I use aptitude 99.999% of the time, there a few things aptitude still can't tho
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17:11<ml|_>s/can't/can't do/
17:12<devil>hamush: dpkg supports hold just fine
17:13<devil>like: echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections
17:13<devil>apt-get install package will override that any time
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17:14<hamush>devil: yeah, that's what i hear, i just haven't cracked open the manpage to learn how to use it, yet.... i might end up doing that and letting autoremove live to fight another day :)
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17:14<hamush>devil: i think that dpkg syntax you just typed will work, i'm gonna give it a shot
17:15<devil>hamush: echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections, revert it with 'echo package install|dpkg --set-selections', list packages on hold with 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold'
17:15<devil>hamush: i know it works :)
17:17<hamush>devil: heh, works for me, too! thanks for your help!
17:17<devil>np :)
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17:27<raph_ael>hi, i was wondering if there was a way to have a colorful boot like in archlinux or gentoo
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17:32<devil>raph_ael: you mean with grub2?
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17:33<jhutchins_lt>raph_ael: There's splashy, but it didn't work for me.
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17:34<devil>splashy does not work properly. for ages.
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17:35<raph_ael>devil: i mean like seeing if init scripts worked of failed
17:35<raph_ael>jhutchins_lt: i tried without much success
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17:35<raph_ael>like this
17:35<devil>it does not need splashy to have 'failed' in red :)
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17:36<raph_ael>devil: it would be cool to have it natively, it's easier to see what's going on
17:37<devil>raph_ael: we have it in the derivate i come from, but i never wondered why.
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17:38<raph_ael>devil: which derivate ?
17:39<devil>formerly known as sidux
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17:39<raph_ael>oh, i saw this name recently, is it worth a try ? what are the benefits ?
17:40<devil>raph_ael: this is the wrong vhannel for that. ask us in #aptosid please
17:40<ompaul>raph_ael: well if you ask in #aptosid .. hehe beaten to it again
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17:40<devil>and mind you, its based on unstable
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17:40<raph_ael>ok i join :)
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17:40<ml|_>there is way to that, by editing one file; but I forget atm
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17:41<ml|_>and does not look the same iirc; was a while back
17:42<ml|_>I like grml's way/look for this myself
17:43<braccobaldo>hi everybody, i would like to use a *.iso image as a dvd disk and watch itwithout burning, how can i do? i'm using debian squeeze
17:43<raph_ael>ml|_: i tried grml long time ago, but can't remember, also i found some howtos but they were quite old, and i'm not sure i want to try something too risky :)
17:45<ml|_>I would not change to another distro just for this ;)
17:45<qq->braccobaldo, boot that .iso in virtualbox
17:45<devil>ml|_: ack
17:45<devil>should be in lsb-base
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17:46<ml|_>devil: ack?
17:46<raph_ael>ml|_: i tried some others but went back to debian
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17:46<braccobaldo>qq-: at the moment i don't have virtualbox...are there any other ways to do ?
17:46<ml|_>raph_ael: wise move :)
17:46<devil>ml|_: ack to coloured bootprocess is no reason to change distros
17:46<kingsley>Is there a simple way to automatically render a sample text string with all fonts in a given directory?
17:47<kingsley>It seems to me this would speed up the process of choosing which font to use.
17:47<ml|_>devil: right, that is what I said
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17:47<devil>ml|_: and i [ack]nowledged it
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17:48<raph_ael>ml|_: i had no choice in fact, each time was a pain
17:48<ml|_>devil: ah, got it; never seem that before today, now I know better :)
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17:48<devil>ml|_: there is acck and full ack :)
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17:49<ml|_>devil: thanks btw
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17:52<ml|_>braccobaldo: have you look into debian live?
17:52<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on A preview of the squeeze live image is at
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17:54<braccobaldo>ml|: sorry my fault is a iso of a movie
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17:54<ml|_>if you have the iso mplayer and others can play it
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17:55<dpkg>[dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <xine>, <vlc> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>.
17:55<ml|_>no need to burn
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17:56<braccobaldo>ml|: ok thanks...will it work also if the iso is from a dvd5 with menu?
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17:57<ml|_>braccobaldo: what do you use to view .avi for example?
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17:58<braccobaldo>usually dragon
17:58<braccobaldo>ml|: usually dragon, sorry
17:59<ml|_>never heard or used dragon, try playing it with that
17:59<ml|_>also smplayer, gmplayer, vlc should play that just fine
18:00<braccobaldo>ml|: dragon is the default player for kde....
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18:01<ml|_>why I never heard of that, also need some other stuff /msg dpkg dvd playback
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18:02<ml|_>since you are using kde that should play it
18:02<braccobaldo>ml|: with vlc: open file=>hair.iso, no video only the minutes of the movie
18:02<ml|_>braccobaldo: let me know, now I'm curious
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18:03<ml|_>I don't use vlc sorry and don't have an iso handy to walk you through it correctly
18:04<braccobaldo>ml|: sorry but" ome other stuff /msg dpkg dvd playback" i' dont understand what i should do...
18:04<braccobaldo>ml|: i've tried with mplayer but it is not working too
18:05<ml|_>in your irc client type that /msg dpkg .... where you normally type and then look for a window or tab named dpkg
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18:08<braccobaldo>ml|: ok done...trying to "talk" )
18:08<braccobaldo>ml|: ok done...trying to "talk" :)
18:08<ml|_>read what dpkg said ;)
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18:12<braccobaldo>ml|: the only thing that may be usefull is to set the region, all the other things i've done or are unusefull for me
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18:13<ml|_>braccobaldo: so you have the libs installed and still does not play?
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18:13<ml|_>how big is the iso btw?
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18:15<braccobaldo>no, i've noticed now that i cannot play dvds
18:15<braccobaldo>the iso is abount 4,4GB
18:17<braccobaldo>ml|: but i have the libraries
18:17<ompaul>!dvd playback
18:17<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need the libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 packages installed, some of which are in <> (see <libdvdcss>). You will also need to set a region on your DVD player - if you have never done so before - using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
18:17<ml|_>and a real dvd does not play?
18:18<ml|_>might be the region like you said, is the dvd in your region; dvd drive set too?
18:20<ml|_>you should be able to play dvd's that in your region; dvd drive is set too; at least it fine here after installing the lib's and using mplayer for example
18:21<ml|_>braccobaldo: also /msg dpkg dvd playback troubleshooting should help
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18:25<braccobaldo>ml|: L'ingresso non può essere aperto:
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18:25<braccobaldo>VLC non è in grado di aprire il MRL 'dvd:///dev/cdrom'. Controlla il registro per i dettagli.
18:25<braccobaldo>L'ingresso non può essere aperto:
18:25<braccobaldo>VLC non è in grado di aprire il MRL 'dvd:///dev/scd0'. Controlla il registro per i dettagli.
18:25<braccobaldo>L'ingresso non può essere aperto:
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18:29<ml|_>braccobaldo: LANG=C ... to see that in english
18:29<ml|_>... = command
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18:31<braccobaldo>the messages means thant vlc cannot open the mrl.....
18:32<ml|_>mplayer dvd://1 should do; also try ... mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/dvd2
18:32<braccobaldo>and input cannot be opened
18:32<ml|_>with the above also?
18:33<braccobaldo>ml|: i'm on a laptop, are you sure it is dvd://1
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18:33<braccobaldo>ml|: ?
18:33<ml|_>did it play?
18:34<ml|_>or try to?
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18:36<ml|_>braccobaldo: did you try with -dvd-device ?
18:36<braccobaldo>ml|: i'm trying with a dvd i've ripped and unlocked and that worked before
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18:37<ml|_>ok, without having the file to try not much I can help with sorry
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18:38<braccobaldo>the dvd that i'm trying to play is a burned one
18:38<ml|_>ok, but change the /dev to yours; sorry should have been clear
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18:39<ml|_>that you burned? and plays fine on a regular dvd player?
18:39<braccobaldo>ml|: how can i see wich one is mine? from /media?
18:39<ompaul>braccobaldo: get one you know works with your TV and then you stand a moderate chance, as it is, it could be any number of features
18:39<ml|_>ls -la /dev/dvd*
18:40<ml|_>right, first you need to make sure that it plays fine
18:40<braccobaldo>ls -la /dev/dvd*
18:40<braccobaldo>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 3 gen 00.17 /dev/dvd -> sr0
18:40<braccobaldo>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 3 gen 00.17 /dev/dvdrw -> sr0
18:40<ml|_>there you go
18:41<ompaul>braccobaldo: still I strongly suggest you go and get one you know works with your TV
18:41<braccobaldo>ompaul: ok i'll take a new and original one that ubuntu plays
18:41<smv>so is there anything in /media related to sr0? mount should say so
18:42<ml|_>smv: ot?
18:43<ml|_>braccobaldo: are using debian or ubuntu?
18:43<smv>ml|_, i thought so, in case you meant on topic :)
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18:43<braccobaldo>ml|: debian, but i've another computer with ubuntu
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18:44<ml|_>smv: I mean #d-ot
18:45<braccobaldo>ml|: ok the original one works
18:45<ompaul>so now try the disk you were frustrated with
18:45<ml|_>great, so burned one is crap?
18:45<braccobaldo>ml|: but why cannot i play non original?
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18:46<ml|_>burned wrong?; who knows
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18:46<ompaul>braccobaldo: it may be a bad burn, it may be a bad anything, it could be missing or badly encoded or something, ditch it
18:46<ml|_>does it play anywhere else?
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18:46<braccobaldo>ompaul: the disk i was frustrated does not exist, is an iso, the other that didn't worked too before worked
18:47<ml|_>so all is fine know then?
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18:49<ompaul>no... it sits there on the couch drinking your coffee and eating your cake?
18:49<braccobaldo>ml|: dvds plays but i would like to play the iso
18:49<ompaul>braccobaldo: it appears to be faulty, or you are missing a codec
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18:50<ompaul>braccobaldo: and without physical access to the machine I would be pulling my hair out trying to work it out
18:50<ml|_>yes, my thoughts exactly
18:50<braccobaldo>ompaul: what could i do by myself? :)
18:52<ompaul>braccobaldo: I'll tell you what I would do, but I won't help you any more than this one bit of advice. If and only if it ran on the ubuntu box I would run the program from the command line you watched it with before, it should tell you lots in the scrolling maybe you pick something up, however there is also the chance that you burnt the disk on one machine and a bit like many many years ago if you wrote a floppy on another machine it would not be read by
18:53<ompaul>one model of IBM box but IBM written floppys could be read anywhere - thats it
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18:54<braccobaldo>ompaul: ok thank you very much
18:55<ompaul>braccobaldo: frankly I would not be too worried if it does play on the ubuntu box and not on the debian it may be a codec issue and you might want to apply yourself to learning more about them
18:56<ml|_>braccobaldo: which do you use more debian or ubuntu; just wondering
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18:58<braccobaldo>ml|: on my laptop i have debiai don't know if the iso works on ubuntu, i only tried on debiann, the other computers is my parents's and run ubuntu,
18:59<ml|_>ok, was just going to suggest you use debian more and learn more, ya know
18:59<ml|_>anyways good luck
19:00<braccobaldo>thank you again, i like learning ;)
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20:03<Aleric>I'm using gdm .. where I can I make it start X such that X is listening on port 6000 (or what was it)? I need to open an application on this display that runs on a different PC.
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20:09<pop>i'm trying to install virtualbox guest additions in lenny and have found many suggestions on how to do it... has anyone successfully gotten it installed on the OSE version? can i install it from a repository?
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20:23<gsimmons>pop: Pre-built guest addition modules for VirtualBox OSE 1.6.6 are packaged for Lenny. "aptitude install virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` virtualbox-ose-guest-utils" should install the necessary components.
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20:24<kkerby>Can anyone help with Samba setup
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20:29<pop>gsimmons: i have those packages installed but it doesn't seem to be installed... the devices tab still says 'install guest additions'
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20:29<pop>and this is after installing the packages and starting virtualbox again
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20:34<gsimmons>pop: IME, that option will always be presented even when guest additions are installed/active.
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20:46<Osiris_X>I have autofs automounting external usb drives when I enter their directory. When I cd from a terminal, it works well and autofs doesn't timeout and unmount. But when I use nautilus/gnome it doesn't work so well
20:46<Osiris_X>as soon as I finish clicking the directory the timeout starts and quickly autofs unmounts the drive
20:47<Osiris_X>autofs immediately then remounts the drive
20:47<Osiris_X>and my log fills with mount, unmounts in 5-10 second intervals
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20:47<Osiris_X>any ideas on how I can solve this problem?
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20:59<Skooz2010>is this working
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21:03<Skooz2010>how do I get videos to work in Epiphany says i need to update flash player down loaded debian about 5 hrs ago reading all this time
21:03<Skooz2010>or another browser?
21:04<Aleric>You need non-free packages
21:05<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
21:05<Aleric>You can /msg dpkg keyword
21:06<Aleric>ii flashplayer-mozilla 2: Macromedia Flash Player
21:06<Aleric>That's what I have installed
21:07<Skooz2010>can you explain on how to do this
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21:40<Skooz2010>Aleric you still here
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21:42<Skooz2010>i am having problems viewing video's on you tube and others update flash player
21:42<Skooz2010>it says
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21:44<smv>Skooz2010, have you read what dpkg told you a moment ago?
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21:46<Skooz2010>little confused here
21:46<Skooz2010>click on the link
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21:55<jester45>Skooz2010, unless you have a reason not to get adobe's flash i would install flashplugin-nonfree . or optionally gnash
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22:11<Skooz2010>so can you view youtube video on Debian
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22:16<sney>Skooz2010: yes
22:16<sney>I just use google chrome, but you can also do it in iceweasel if you install flashplugin-nonfree
22:16<sney>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
22:16<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3
22:17<sney>we'd all love if gnash was good, but it just isn't yet
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22:25<Skooz2010>ok thanks very much
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22:32<jerryclunsford>In iceweasel version 3.0.6 on debian lenny where can I remove the stored websites in the address bar.
22:33<sney>the history?
22:33<sney>it's in ~/.mozilla somewhere
22:33<sney>I believe it's held as an xml database. but there should also be a 'clear history' button in the options
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22:34<jerryclunsford>I have cleared the history but drop0 down list under the address bar doesn't clear
22:35<jerryclunsford>I'll see what I can find under mozilla
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22:47<munto>alguien habla español
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22:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:53<munto>ok gracias
22:53<Skooz2010>sney google chrome worked thank you thank you
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23:52<Jimmy89>hey guys
23:53<Jimmy89>For some reason my debian computer won't boot.
23:53<Jimmy89>It will get past all the text based booting, then seems to display a black screen instead of launching xserver
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23:54<Jimmy89>any ideas?
23:54<kveroneau>sounds like the xserver is having issues starting, but switched the vt.
23:55<kveroneau>try switching back to vt1(ctrl-alt-f1) and see if you gain access on tty1.
23:55<Jimmy89>tried that, dosn't work :(
23:56<kveroneau>Did you happen to install an SSH server on the machine? You could use it to login.
23:56<Jimmy89>yes there is ssh
23:56<kveroneau>Other than that, you can start in recovery mode and remove the rc entry that starts X.
23:57<Jimmy89>well I should be able to ssh
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23:57<kveroneau>From there, you can troubleshoot the xorg.conf file. Look at the log files in /var/log and see what X is doing.
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23:58<kveroneau>It would be Xorg.0.log
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23:58<Jimmy89>k give me a min
23:58<kveroneau>from ssh, you can run /etc/init.d/gdm stop to stop X remotely for example.
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