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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-11

---Logopened Tue Jan 11 00:00:21 2011
00:00<techlow>go to home/usr/.config/pcmanfm
00:01<sneakers>i see a config file there
00:01<techlow>huh, there's not much in pcmanfm.conf
00:03<techlow>take your pick config volume desktop or ui?
00:03<techlow>i still don't see any bookmarks or anything
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00:05<techlow>sneakers, what version do you have?
00:06<techlow>maybe the volumes arent' mounted yet?
00:07<sneakers>I'm gonna re-test
00:08<techlow>sneakers, you got a tutorial on apt-get on you?
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00:09<techlow>sneakers, ?
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00:16<prozac>is there an easier way as in the wiki to install nvidia graphics card driver?
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00:22<twb>!tell prozac about nvidia
00:22<kop>!why aptitude
00:22<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
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00:33<prozac>ehm i tried to install the nvidia drivers.. so i downloaded nvidia-glx-legacy-172xx nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig. and ran nvidia-xconfig now i just get a black screen on my monitor and a: _ which is blinking
00:34<prozac>is there a way how i can undo that?
00:34<chealer>prozac: what do you mean by "an easier way as in the wiki"?
00:34<prozac>i am quiet new to linux and i didnt understand the way in the wiki
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00:35<prozac>so i looked in the debianforum and found the way to install the driver like i tried
00:36<chealer>prozac: are you talking about the wiki page ?
00:36<sneakers>prozac, You must have made an error.
00:38<prozac>i didnt understand so i googled and found: download nvidia-glx-legacy-xx nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig. run nvidia-xconfig in the german debian forum.
00:38<sneakers>prozac, You should follow the wiki.
00:38<prozac>yes i should had
00:39<sneakers>isn't there a german debian support channel?
00:39<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
00:40<prozac>yes but it is 6.40 am here. i think everybody is sleeping :)
00:40<chealer>prozac: the wiki pretty much documents all of the ways you can do it "the Debian way", it doesn't get easier. what part can you not understand?
00:40<sneakers>prozac, the steps you made from the google search are not the right way.
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00:47<chealer>sneakers: hum, it seems the link could be replaced with
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00:48<prozac>i got a little bit confused. i wanted the drivers which supports 3d do i need to do the 4 steps under overview or everything after that? which is for the not opensource drivers?
00:49<sneakers>prozac, First thing is to make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources
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00:49<kop>prozac: Being new to debian you may wish to type "/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client.
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00:50<prozac>ah ok. i did that already
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00:51<sneakers>prozac, Your APT has non-free and contrib sources?
00:51<chealer>prozac: about everything in that page is about the proprietary drivers (except the "free drivers" section)
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00:53<prozac>yes i added that after i installed debian
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00:54<ml|>I find that wiki page easy to follow for the most part
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00:55<ml|>chealer: know why xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is default over xserver-xorg-video-nv now on squeeze?
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00:57<ml|>I think it should default to nv and not nouveau, since the latter is still not complete
00:57<jm_>because it supports newer chips which nv doesn't
00:57<prozac> is that what i need for the nonfree 3d driver? and everything after that for the open-source drivers? am i right?
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00:57<sneakers>I think nouveau covers everything that nv does, and more.
00:57<ml|>jm_: yes, but it is still not ready, IMHO; does not work well here
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00:59<jm_>ml|: I only tested it once before with Fedora 13 or 14 beta live CD and everything worked great, I will soon install new grml and test with that
00:59<ml|>< sney> the default for a fresh install should be 'nv' like it has been in the past
00:59<ml|>I agree with sney
00:59<jm_>nv doesn't even support suspend AFAIK
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01:00<ml|>I know nv does not support newer stuff, but atleast works better for now
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01:02<ml|>I'm using nvidia the debian way; wish I could use nouveau here, will need to wait a while more I'd guess
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01:02<jm_>which card do you have?
01:03<ml|>04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G98 [Quadro NVS 295] [10de:06fd] (rev a1)
01:04<ml|>it works for the most part, but certain things do not get rendered correctly
01:05<chealer>prozac: you need that for the 3D driver. everything after is also for the 3D driver.
01:06<chealer>ml|: no, I didn't even know that was the case. so it's default in the sense that if nv and nouveau are both installed and no driver is specified, nouveau is used?
01:07<ml|>chealer: yes
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01:07<ml|>happened a while back IIRC
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01:08<chealer>ml|: I don't think I have an NVIDIA card anymore and I never tried nouveau, I can only speculate, but this kind of "default" is not necessarily intentional AFAIK. nouveau is before nv in the alphabetical order...
01:09<chealer>from what I see it does seem early to prefer nouveau over nv, but I don't know
01:09<sney>that sounds plausible, I can't imagine debian-devel putting something like nouveau as the standard for a stable release
01:09<ml|>ok, I thought you might know
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01:11<chealer>on the other hand nv is [also] far from being bug-free
01:12<Arrowmaster>i thought i heard nv was being discontinued
01:12<Arrowmaster>which would be a good reason for nouveau being the default in a stable release
01:12<ml|>nv always worked well for me, when I used a nvs285; I know use a nvs295 but nv does not support display port
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01:13<sney>maybe the detection should be smarter, so it'd use nv for anything older than $model, and try nouveau for anything newer... or just vesa
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01:15<ml|>after reading the thoughts of others here, I can understand why nouveau is default now; even tho it is not complete
01:16<sney>I guess #debian will just keep busy after squeeze drops
01:17<Arrowmaster>ok looking around i cant find why i thought nv was being discontinued so i might be wrong
01:17<prozac>ok. now i followed the wiki but i get a black screen again
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01:18<ml|>IIRC nv has not been updated in a while
01:18<ml|>like years I think
01:19<sney>it's just a base X driver, it's not meant to be feature-rich
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01:20<ml|>but nvidia should add support for newer stuff IMHO
01:20<Arrowmaster>well makes it seem that its not completely abandoned, but yeah it doesnt look like development is active at all
01:20<ml|>nv was/is written by nvidia, right?
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01:21<Arrowmaster>not sure but thats what i thought
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01:21<ml|>me too
01:21<Arrowmaster>which is why i thought it was being discontinued, combined with the fact everything is moving towards kms
01:22<ml|>oh, well nvidia the debian way works well here
01:22<Arrowmaster>yeah COPYING file from xf86-video-nv shows it being from nvidia
01:23<ml|>nvidia wants use to use their other drivers I guess
01:23<chealer>ml|: yes (see )
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01:24<chron>i'm looking for a program that creates /mnt/directories for me when i plug in a device or any device it finds (disk devices and no X on this computer)
01:24<ml|>thanks chealer
01:25<chealer>prozac: what video card do you have and what does $ dpkg -l nvidia*; output?
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01:26<prozac>got it :)
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01:26<prozac>installed it with the nvidia script
01:26<jm_>!auto mount
01:26<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
01:28<ml|>usbmount works well for usb sticks and the like
01:28<chron>have you guys tried any of the command line ones?
01:29<chron>i want somthing just like knoppix does
01:29<chron>when i run knoppix in non-gui mode, it will create fstab entry + /mnt directories but won't automount, which is good
01:29<ml|>I only use usbmount, I mount the rest manually
01:29<chron>manual is fine, but i want /mnt directories created and the fstab entry
01:30<chron>i guess i should just try all those
01:30<jm_>I use autofs
01:30<chron>but i'm asking to save time
01:30<chron>does autofs do what i want?
01:30<jm_>no, autofs is different, it mounts on demand
01:31<chron>demand meaning automatically?
01:31<jm_>like so: you tell it which directory is a mount point and when something tries to access files there it mounts
01:31<jm_>that is all done automatically yes
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01:32<chron>can it just create /mnt directoires + fstab entry?
01:32<chron>that's all i want
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01:33<dpkg>halevt is, like, a clean-room rewrite of <ivman> which is a generic handler for <hal> events. Amongst other things, it mount devices when they are attached to the system.
01:33<dpkg>[ivman] an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when devices are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts.
01:33<ml|>btw, grml does the samething as knoppix
01:34<ml|>chron: /msg dpkg selftell
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01:35<chron>well i need the program not the livecd
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01:36<ml|>was just a comment/hint to try grml sometime
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01:47<jm_>plus seeing how grml does it might help you do the same
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01:55<prozac>after i installed the graphics driver i wanted to configure sound over hdmi. lspci shows my nvidia hdmi audio device. but when i run aplay -l it isnt listed
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01:59<jm_>prozac: is it mentioned in /proc/asound/cards?
02:00<prozac>no it isnt
02:01<jm_>no wonder it doesn't list it then
02:02<prozac>shouldnt it be listed? i installed the nvidia drivers before
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02:08<jm_>I guess, if your driver supports it
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02:09<prozac>its so late. i think i will go to bed and try it later.
02:09<prozac>good night
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02:39<twb>What's the difference between RSYSLOG_FileFormat and RSYSLOG_SyslogProtocol23Format ?
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02:39<twb>I tried both and I can't see a difference
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06:10<ribng>hi all, i am trying to install .deb package, and i end up having the following error.
06:10<ribng> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
06:11<ribng>Could someone kindly provide me the pointer how to resolve it ?
06:11<Torsten_W>paste the complete error on a pastebin
06:11<ribng>i am new to this debian .
06:11<Arrowmaster>the post install script in the package is erroring
06:11<Torsten_W>this single-line sayes nothing!
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06:15<Arrowmaster>where did this .deb come from?
06:15<ansgar>ribng: Looks like a bug in the package's postinst script. Ask the person that provides that package to you.
06:16<ribng>Arrowmaster, my developer used to give me. :)
06:17<ribng>ansgar, is there any way that i can dig into more on this package ??
06:18<prem>ribng, install as a super user.,it looks like only a permission problem
06:18<ribng>prem i tried, but the same issue.
06:19<jm_>you can simply add "set -x" in the script and re-run it
06:20<Arrowmaster>i doubt he can edit the script
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06:20<ribng>jm_, which script?
06:20<prem>yeah even i think he cant edit the script
06:20<ansgar>ribng: Is /etc/xtra/.ssh supposed to be present anyway? Having home directories with .ssh in /etc looks wrong... And you can find the postinst scripts in debian/ of the source package (if you have it). Or look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.postinst.
06:20<jm_>ribng: heh see above
06:22<tarzeau>where's the font irc channel again?
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06:25<gis>i am having a problem can anyone please help me
06:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
06:26<gis>ok sorry 1st time here i am go to my question
06:28<aragilar>ribng: Do you know how to look inside the file?
06:28<ribng>aragilar, yes i know.
06:30<gis>for some reason my debian squeeze is getting hang when i am doing something like opening programs or doing other things , a red light pops on my cpu and the disk keep spining for like 20-30s then everythings gets frozen that time , after that it goes back to normals --- its happening after i recoved my system from non bootable state after repairing root file systems(ext4)-- (sry for my bad
06:33<gis>i checked my file systems they are clean -- but i have no idea why or what process taking so much of the cpu as to hang my whole system for quite sometime on regualr basis
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06:39<gis>any tips for my problem would be great :)
06:41<slush>gis: did you check your logs?
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06:43<gis>i am pasting my log
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06:46<ras>hej, is there anybody out there
06:47<cthuluh>nice pink floyd song
06:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
06:48<ras>i need to install a driver for acx111 on my squeeze
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06:49<ras>but i dont understand everything there : (found thanks to dpkg)
06:49<ras>do i really just need to git blabla, cd, make ?
06:49<ras>sounds too easy...
06:50<gsimmons>ras: You also need to manually install the driver and supply device firmware for its use ; /msg dpkg acx firmware
06:53<ras>so the difference is that instead of m-a a-i acx100 the driver, i use git ?
06:53<ras>or do I have to follow that part of the tutorial also ?
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06:55<gsimmons>ras: With the exception of the firmware section, the acx Debian wiki page is to be ignored WRT acx-mac80211.
06:55<ras>okay :)
06:56<MeglaW>binary date
06:56<ras>hume : WARNING: modpost: Found 3 section mismatch(es).
06:56<ras>(during the make)
06:58<gsimmons>ras: That can currently be ignored.
06:59<ras>i did followed the firmware part of the acx wiki page
06:59<ras>and i did git ****, cd, then make
06:59<ras>(with that error)
06:59<ras>and then ?
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07:00<gsimmons>ras: Consider using your enter key less often. The driver sources contain README and INSTALL files which you may want to consult at this point.
07:00<ras>sorry gsimmons :$ I'll check that
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07:02<gis>1st part of my syslog --- (SYSTEM FREEZE)
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07:03<jm_>looks like it's flooding your syslog
07:03<ras>w00t, thanks a lot gsimmons :)
07:03<ras>I'll try a reboot to check if it's still ok :)
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07:06<gis>any Ideas?
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07:08<gis>2nd part --
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07:09<gis>any ideas what getting me to these hang state
07:09<ras>worked well :)
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07:10<ras>does someone use nvidia-settings to configure its graphic card ?
07:10<gis>i do
07:10<ras>i don't understand why i have the messge : Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
07:11<jm_>I only use it for GPU temperature monitoring
07:11<ras>on the menu : xserver display configuration
07:11<ras>I installed my nvidia driver ( 96xx) yesterday, maybe it didn't worked as well as i thought
07:11<gis>install driver+xconfig+nvida config
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07:12<gis>its getting error when try to scan xconfig config file
07:13<ras>i already have nvidia-xconfig
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07:16<gis>did you installed it right the driver ?
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07:17<ras>hum, yeah, i think the driver is correctly installed
07:17<ras>or i wouldn't be here ^^
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07:17<ras>root@debian:/home/ras# glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: Yes
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07:18<gis>and restart your pc
07:18<gis>type that command
07:19<ras>is that just information ? VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
07:19<ras> Undefined Device "Device0" referenced by Screen "Screen0".
07:19<lupine_85>no, that's an error
07:19<gis>its not getting the cofig file to load data from it during ini
07:20<gis>your configuration file is corrupted
07:20<ras>he still rewrote my xorg.conf
07:20<ras>so, what should i do ?
07:21<gis>it will not
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07:21<gis>just add a line in your x-org to load driver from
07:21<ras>i think he did, it doest look like the xorg.conf i had yesterday, but i may be wrong
07:22<ras>what line should i add ? and where ?
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07:23<gis>installation process = install driver restart log into shell goto root type "nvidia-xconfig" restart
07:23<gis>i suggest u uninstall it 1st competly
07:23<gis>then install it again if you dont know what you are doing
07:24<gis>like the way i told you before
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07:24<ras>hum :\
07:24<ras>i thought if i managed to install it yesterday, and to startx then , it meant that it was ok
07:24<gis>and install nvidia config and x config during installation too with driver they are not selected by default
07:25<gis>you some how corropted the xconfig file .. so it cant load the ifo its needs
07:26<ras>and i don't have any other way to have a fresh xconfig file ?
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07:26<gis>yes , but you have to know you devices for that .. to give exact info about it in their
07:27<gis>any wrong infomation will corrupt it again
07:28<ras>there must be a way to get these informations, and since it's already corrupt ;)
07:28<gis>your pc your know it better than anyone ;p
07:29<ras>actually i've been given this one
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07:30<ras>so i don't know it better than anyone, but there must be commande line (like lspci or so) to get information i need, right ?
07:30<gis>try searching xconfig
07:30<gis>on net
07:32<prem>ras , stop gdm and run "X -configure" to generate a new xorg file
07:32<ras>have to go, i'll check that later
07:32<ras>thanks prem
07:32<ras>see you guys, and thanks a lot
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07:35<gis>guys i need some help on these please
07:35<gis>any ideas would matter a lot
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07:39<devil_>gis: this is standard kernel error output for apta:
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07:52<noe>ay alguien
07:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:54<noe>i am noe
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07:54<tommytwo>All changes made to kde system settings are not accepted, any ideas?
07:55<noe>soy españolaa
07:55<noe>alguien abla español
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08:16<jacks_lt>how does that work with permissions. When I mount a usb stick on mnt/usb, why can't I write on it as user?
08:16<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
08:17<jacks_lt>it's a ext drive
08:18<jacks_lt>no fat afaik
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08:28<twb>Then it's simple POSIX DAC, I imagine
08:28<twb>Pastebin "find /media/foo/ -ls", where /media/foo/ is the mountpoint
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08:42<Nach>Is Debian safe to run if the defaults commands (cp, rm, mkdir, etc...) are replaced with BusyBox symlinks? Or are many scripts relying on GNU extensions?
08:45<twb>Nach: no, definitely not
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08:45<Nach>twb: okay, thanks
08:45<twb>Nach: for your .bashrc
08:46<Nach>twb: I don't use BASH, but I get the idea, thanks
08:46<twb>jacks_lt: that is not the complete paste
08:46<jacks_lt>twb: to much for konsole...
08:46<twb>jacks_lt: I assume you're logged in as "derick"?
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08:47<jacks_lt>twb: jep
08:47<twb>jacks_lt: find /mnt/usbstick2/ -type d -ls, then.
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08:47<twb>jacks_lt: I mainly care about the topmost dirs
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08:51<twb>jacks_lt: then you should have permission to do anything WITHIN NDK subdirs
08:51<twb>But not to NDK itself, not to /mnt/usbstick2
08:51<twb>That's what those permissions say
08:52<jacks_lt>twb: hmm I should have permissions for /mnt/usbstick2
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08:53<jacks_lt>twb: those backup folders is not the problem
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08:54<twb>jacks_lt: you do not
08:54<jacks_lt>twb: hmm how to change it?
08:55<twb>sudo chmod
08:55<twb>or sudo chown
08:56<jacks_lt>twb: set right to user or root?
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08:56<twb>Sorry, I've stopped caring about you
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09:02<twb>Goddammit. I hate when I find a bug has been fixed upstream... AFTER the ditsro release I'm working with.
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09:06<sret>im installing debian the first time, is it ok to install via graphical?
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09:06<sret>or the normal Install option is better
09:06<babilen>The graphical install is fine ...
09:07<babilen>There is also an "expert" installation, but I am not sure that you want/need that. But this would give you much more control of the installation process.
09:07<NICOLAS>helloou comant sav
09:08<sret>thanks babilen
09:08<sret>babilen: btw it asks for a domain name
09:09<sret>is that my isp?
09:09<sret>its verizon
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09:09<babilen>sret: No, you don't have one. I typically use "local"
09:09<xun>Im having some problems removing scratchbox, i have installed it with aptitude from their repository, but now when i try to remove it complains about the package not existing
09:09<sret>this is for a home network so i assume local is fine
09:09<xun>notworthy is that the repo gives 404 when i try to do an update
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09:11<sret>i read about the guided partitioning, kinda forgot on the details, should i go with guided or manual
09:11<sret>i go on windows on this box
09:12<babilen>xun: If everyhting else fails: "dpkg -P PKG" (replace PKG with e.g. scratchbox) should work. I don't know their packages and repository, so can't really assist you with that.
09:12<xun>-P is purge, right?
09:12<babilen>xun: yes
09:12<xun>that didnt work, because of alot of dependencies
09:12<babilen>sret: It is basically up to you. I would see what guided partitioning is proposing and change the layout if you are unhappy with it.
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09:13<sret>well it just says with guided you cn still customise your results
09:14<babilen>dpkg -l *scratchbox* gives you what? What about "aptitude purge ~nscratchbox" ? "apt-cache policy scratchbox" ? (all assuming that "scratchbox" is the name of the package)
09:14<dpkg>No packages found matching *scratchbox* gives you what? What about "aptitude purge ~nscratchbox" ? "apt-cache policy scratchbox" ? (all assuming that "scratchbox" is the name of the package)
09:14<babilen>dpkg: thank you
09:14<dpkg>bitte, babilen
09:14<sret>ok guided for whole disk it is
09:14<xun>wow, that was confusing :D
09:14<xun>babilen, give me a sec
09:14<xun>xun@njord:~$ dpkg -l *scratchbox*
09:14<xun>No packages found matching scratchbox.
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09:15<babilen>xun: Sure -- But I'll have to work now, so I, well, shouldn't spend too much time on your problem :-þ
09:15<xun>babilen, aight, thx anyway :)
09:15<sret>btw for partitioning from the docs i read its advisable to partition for each
09:15<babilen>xun: argh, should have been: dpkg -l "*scratchbox*"
09:15<sret>such as /var/ boot. /tmp etc
09:16<sret>but im kinda new, if i go with that its not going to get overly complicated is it
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09:16<babilen>sret: I would actually use LVM and one big partition for all of them + one for swap + one for boot ... But the best way to partition your drive is the subject of numerous heated debates.
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09:17<NICOLAS>hola hello
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09:17<sret>but for swap i got only 2GB of ram
09:17<sret>for swap you need that more memory dont you
09:18<sret>are you referring to gided partitioning with LVM?
09:18<xun>I dont think there are any restrictions on the size of the swap
09:18<babilen>sret: I guess you are fine if you just use one partition (or logical volume if you use lvm) for /home and one for / (root i.e. everything else) and one for swap (make it roughly 1-2 times the amount of RAM you have .. e.g. 512MB RAM → 1024 swap, ... 8GB RAM → 8GB swap)
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09:18<babilen>sret: Yes, that is what I am referring to. Do you know what LVM is?
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09:19<sret>logicalvolume manager
09:19<sret>yeah i read about it
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09:19<sret>so i partition it as /home /var/ tmp?
09:19<sret>thee's on 3 optins here, either all in one or /home or the above
09:20<babilen>sret: Ok, it is great because you can later add drives to volume groups and thereby expanding "partitions" and it is quite easy to expand or shrink them later on without the need to fiddle with the partition table
09:20<sret>ok so basically i need to go back and do a guided partitioning with LVM
09:20<sret>not encrypted LVM
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09:20<babilen>sret: I would make sure that you have a seperate /home (for your personal data) -- the rest is, well, not that important
09:21<babilen>sret: I don't know -- do you want it to be encrypted?
09:21<babilen>well, there is your answer :)
09:21<sret>so just guided + LVM
09:21<babilen>yeah, that's my suggestion ..
09:21<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
09:22<sret>ok interesting
09:22<xun>babilen, can I remove/purge stuff with dpkg the same way you list them (with asterixes and stuff)?
09:22<sret>debian says i already have logical volumes here
09:22<babilen>sret: You might want to ask dpkg about the other referenced factoids, e.g. : /msg dpkg install using lvm
09:22<sret>i suspect thats because i had an old fedora install here
09:22<babilen>sret: probably
09:22<sret>should i keep these logical volumes or erase and start afresh LVM?
09:22<sret>there's no data that's important on the box
09:23<prozac>hi. i wanted to get sound through hdmi. but my device isnt listet in aplay -l. but in /proc/asound/cards. does anyboy have an idea why that is so? /proc/asound/cards: aplay -l by the way it is in nvidia graphics card
09:23<babilen>xun: I am, uhm, not sure. Try it. So, you can't remove it with the aptitude command I gave you? (~nscratchbox == all packages with "scratchbox" in their NAME)
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09:23<babilen>sret: Start fresh then
09:23<xun>babilen, nope, because it cannot find them
09:23<xun>probably because the packages isnt in cache (as i get a 404 when i try to do aptitude update)
09:24<babilen>So, I'm off ... Good luck all of you. If this channel is dead, there is also a #debian channel on Have fun
09:24<xun>thx babilen
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09:24<xun>have a good day
09:24<sret>ok this part i dont understand
09:24<sret>debian has given me a partitioning scheme
09:25<sret>which is SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)
09:25<sret>is that alright?
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09:25<xun>prozac, I have also had serious troubles with sound through hdmi
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09:25<xun>prozac, I have no idea how to solve your issue, but I kinda solved mine (I have a intel HD graphics) by adding some lines to /etc/asound.conf
09:26<babilen>sret: Just one last thing ... I would actually install Squeeze and not Lenny. Squeeze is the next release and you don't have to do all the upgrade work in 1-2 months and you get newer software now. +
09:26<sret>babilen: i suppose i will try squeeze then
09:26<sret>but squeeze is still unstable now so
09:26<babilen>sret: It has not been released, but you shouldn't run into big problems. And if you do, make sure to let us know so we can fix it.
09:26<prozac>wherent ur card in aplay -l listed too?
09:27<sret>maybe i'll try squeeze on another box
09:27<xun>prozac, thats what I wrote after managing to fix it
09:27<sret>i ned to get used to linux first before i can report bugs
09:27<xun>prozac, however it is listed with aplay -l
09:27<babilen>sret: Squeeze is "testing" and in deep freeze (no changes except bug fixes) .. It is expected to be released soonish (0-2 months)
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09:27<sret>babilen: btw its partitioned for me
09:27<sret>2.7GB for swap
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09:27<sret>root 7gb
09:27<sret>and 240 for home
09:28<sret>sounds good?
09:28<babilen>hmm, how big is your drive?
09:28<sret>sda1 255
09:28<sret>sda2 249.9
09:28<imganquan>babilen: Squeeze will be released in 0-2 months? It's the best news I heard today.
09:28<sret>babilen: yeah 250
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09:29<sret>btw is there a way to use xfs here
09:29<sret>instead of ext3
09:29<babilen>imganquan: don't kill me if it is not -- you might want to look at for the list of the last 25 bugs that need to be fixed
09:29<sret>its all using ext3 and ext2
09:29<imganquan>babilen: OK! Thank you babilen .
09:29<babilen>sret: Use ext3 ..
09:29<sret>i'd liketo use xfs
09:29<sret>babilen: ok but later i could switch?
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09:30<babilen>sret: I would suggest to use ext3 now, use ext4 later and switch to btrfs once it is released.
09:30<sret>is the switching part difficult
09:30<babilen>err, stable enough to be used
09:30<sret>i mean do i have to go through partioning and all that ?
09:30<babilen>sret: ext3 → ext4 is really easy, not quite sure for btrfs, but shouldn't be that hard
09:31<prozac>i had the same problem with ubuntu before too. i also know how to manage it after it is listed in aplay -l. but i dont know why it is not shown there
09:31<catsup>you can 'upgrade' a filesystem from ext3 to ext4
09:31<catsup>but not to btrfs; that will require copying data from the old fs to the new fs
09:31<babilen>hence quite easy
09:31<catsup>avoiding ext4 at this point is, uh, very conservative
09:31<babilen>catsup: Ok, thanks for the clarification. But I wouldn't use btrfs in the near future anyway. That was more a "In 3-7 years" suggestion
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09:32<mjr>what catsup said, I'd just start with ext4 nowadays unless you're _really_ mission critical
09:32<babilen>catsup: I am conservative -- but well, yay! Use ext4 :)
09:32<sret>ok the partitioning bit has me lost babilen
09:32<sret>i accepeted the way debian partitioned them
09:32<sret>now i have to modify these?
09:32<sret>or it wont let me continue
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09:33<sret>ok its done
09:33<xun>prozac, sry, I cant really help you, I havent gotten my current setup to work properly either
09:34<sret>from what i';ve read
09:34<sret>xfs does best of them all
09:34<sret>from the benchmarks
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09:34<sret>followed by reiser for very small files
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09:34<prozac>ok thank you
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09:38<sret>im in NY
09:38<sret>whats the ideal mirror?
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09:39<sret>columbia edu?
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09:40<babilen>sounds good
09:40<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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09:40<catsup>sret: apt-spy will tell you
09:41<babilen>sret: There are tools to find the fastest mirror -- Just use, e.g. apt-spy or netselect-apt ...
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09:41<babilen>sret: But I would think that columbia is a good choice, although the speed depends on your ISP's routing ... And who knows what BGP does anyway?
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09:42<sret>how do i use apt-spy
09:43<sret>seems like i can use that only after the installation
09:43<sret>ok columbia it is
09:43<babilen>sret: yes
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09:45<sret>gees this is a bit easier than i thought, i remember trying to install redhat 6 yrs ago
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09:45<sret>redhat 6, yrs ago*
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09:46<sret>so let me get this right, debian needs to be connected to the net to do an installation?
09:46<gruetzkopf>if you do 'netinst', yes
09:46<sret>i suspect its downloading some kinda file, the package manager or some such, got 3 mins left
09:47<gruetzkopf>if you have a full cd, it only loads updates AFAIK
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09:49<sret> mkes sense why its called netinstall
09:49<sret>lol i htink i signed up for the popularity contest
09:51<sret>what are the recommended software install options
09:51<sret>should i go with everything, dont see the need for sql though
09:51<sret>check aall of the rest?
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09:54<babilen>sret: No, don't do that. I would install the "laptop" task if you install on a laptop and nothing else. Once you are booted you can easily install other packages such as "xorg" and "gnome-core" (for X and a minimal Gnome installation)
09:54<babilen>But it is up to you ... I just dislike the "desktop" task because it installs way to many useless (for me) packages
09:55<sret>na this is a desktop
09:55<babilen>I typically start with a fairly minimal system and built up ...
09:55<sret>ok done
09:55<sret>so at this moment apache wont be installed i take it
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09:56<sret>holy mackerel, 1 hr 22 mins
09:56<sret>gee i should've just downloaded a dvd iso
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09:57<babilen>Just an "aptitude install apache2-mpm-worker" away ... (or prefork if you want to do anything PHPish ..)
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09:57<sret>holy shit
09:57<babilen>sret: Hehe, or get a better downlink. I typically install @ university and enjoy endless bandwidth
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09:57<sret>if it was going to take 3hrkins kinda pointless to do a netinstall
09:57<sret>might as well download a dvd iso
09:58<petemc>why would downloading 3gig+ of unwanted packages be quicker?
09:58<sret>thought netinstall would let me install and do all the update crap later
09:58<babilen>You'll just download a couple of packages you won't need. But a DVD and CD has its merits
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09:58<sret>dvd certainly has
09:59<sret>i was told netinst would just do the basic stuf and i could get on with my system
09:59<sret>but with 3 hrs,m i could've easily done a dvd iso download
09:59<babilen>sret: It does -- did you select any task?
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09:59<sret>ok its gone down, 1hr now
09:59<sret>na just standard and desktop
10:00<sret>if thts what you mean
10:00<babilen>well, those are pretty huge tasks ... I suggested not to install them.
10:00<sret>yeah but i was reading that if i dont, then i have to manually install them from the terminal later on
10:00<babilen>The desktop task includes open office for example
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10:00<babilen>sret: Yes, that is true.
10:01<sret>didnt wanna go thrugh that, got only 52 mins left, i can live with that
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10:01<babilen>ok -- have fun
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10:01<sret>the desktop has only openoffice?
10:01<babilen>no, it is one package among a plethora of others
10:01<sret>oh ok
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10:03<sret>gonna have a smoke, thanks for your help:P
10:03<babilen>enjoy! :-Q
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10:18<sret>heh 803 files
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10:35<babilen>欢迎! -- Please note that this is an English channel.
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10:37<prock>The testing build made on Jan 10 2011, has anyone installed from it, is there any errors on the cd like the netinstall of testing
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10:43<sret>547 files done of 803
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10:50<saha>Hi, I'm configuring bind on my debian box, I am newbie to all these things
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10:51<saha>if my ip is A.B.C.D what should be the reverse record?
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10:53<saha>in the manual I found it starts from something like C.B.A.IN-ADDR.ARPA. But shouldn't there be D?
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10:54<slush>no, 'D' is defined in the zone C.B.A.IN-ADDR.ARPA
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10:56<ani>i am using Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 (squeeze) i686 and in sources.list deb experimental main contrib non-free restricted
10:56<ani>but when i do apt-get update its give me this
10:57<ani>Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry restricted/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
10:57<Torsten_W>there is no restricted in debian
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10:57<Torsten_W>and if you can't handle experiemental, don't use it
10:57<ani>ok my bad
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11:00<ani>ya Torsten_W look like its have some issue :D, can't install gone meta issue
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11:02<ani>install gnome*
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11:04<sret>install almost done
11:04<sret>9 mins
11:04<ani>while i try to install gnome its giving me unmeet deps error for gnome-dektop-envrionments
11:05<ani>that np for me , coz i like openbox
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11:11<grummund>Hi, can anyone tell me the correct partition type to create a partition for use by dual boot Windows XP ?
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11:11<cahoot>partiton for xp?
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11:11<grummund>fdisk and cfdisk both have "NTFS volume set" with partition types 86 & 87.
11:12<cahoot>for linux it doesn't matter
11:12<sret>grub will do that for you at install
11:12<sret>or lilo
11:12<sret>its there in the installation guides
11:12<sret>did you check the docs?
11:12<grummund>the machine is already dual boot. I have some spare partitions that are formatted for linux and I want to give these over to windows
11:12<sret>if you hav a windows partition it clearly tells you what to do
11:13<sret>oh ok in that sense
11:13<sret>no idea, still new
11:14<grummund>windows currently ignores the partitions because they are type linux (83)
11:14<cahoot>grummund: you want to use the space for data - not windows per se?
11:14<grummund>cahoot: have run out of space on the existing windows partitions
11:15<grummund>cahoot: and i have 40GB currently sitting idle as a linux partition
11:16<grummund>fdisk and cfdisk both have "NTFS volume set" with partition types 86 & 87.
11:16<cahoot>so create som filessystem on the partition(s) that xp understand?
11:16<grummund>cahoot: yes. but 86, or 87, or something else...
11:16<grummund>paerhaps i should just try it ;)
11:17<grummund>since there are existing Win partitions i think perhaps it should be possible to inspect the type on those... but cfdisk does not seem to show that
11:18<grummund>aha. but fdisk does :) type 7, go figure...
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11:23<sret>in netinstall is perl installed ?
11:23<sret>or i'll have to fetch it after installation
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11:25<sret>my installaiton nis done
11:25*sret warms his hands
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11:26<smv>grummund, type 7 for sure.
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11:27<grummund>smv: thanks for that
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11:29<sret>im on debian hehehehhehehehe
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11:30<sret>ok let me get this straight
11:30<sret>with netinstall i have iceweasel too
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11:31<sret>are there other things i'll need in iceweasel now?
11:31<sret>i'd much prefer the standard/default config
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11:43<kop>sret: netinstall will install it if you choose "desktop" or install it later yourself.
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11:44<kop>sret: You seem to be new to debian, so see the factoid below.
11:44<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
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11:45<sret>kop: yeah just playing with it now
11:46<sret>if i want to remove a package how do i do that
11:46<kop>sret: aptitude remove foo
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11:46<kop>sret: If other packages will be removed as a result it'll ask before continuing.
11:46<sret>so through netinstall its gnome as desktop
11:46<sret>how do i change the desktop
11:46<kop>sret: But you must be root.
11:46<sret>yeah im root
11:47<sret>rather how do i check what desktops i have
11:47<sret>from the termninal
11:47<kop>sret: You can "aptitude install kde". Then the gdm login screen will allow you to change the "session" to kde.
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11:47<kop>sret: There's an "update-alternatives" that sets the default. (See the man page.)
11:47<kop>sret: Humm....
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11:48<sret>but i susppect ive installed kde and gnome and xfce
11:48<kop>sret: I know there's a way to do it if debtags is installed. Lemmie look.
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11:48<sret>thats what it said during installation for desktop software i believe
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11:49<sneakers>How do I make it so that drives are automatically seen by my system? Right now when I open pcmanfm I don't see any of my drives. Thanks.
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11:52<kop>sneakers: You don't have "drives", it's all in one big filesystem starting with /. They are mounted as directories. You could type "mount" to see what partitions are mounted where. (See /msg dpkg grounding)
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11:53<kop>sret: This works: aptitude search ~i~Gwindow-manager
11:53<kop>sret: But you need to install debtags and "aptitude update" first.
11:54<kop>sret: There's also a file....
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11:54<ansgar>Oh, d-i now detects that it is installing in VirtualBox and automatically installs the guest additions? Nice :-)
11:54<sneakers>kop, Okay but when I open pcmanfm I want to see the devices available. They should be listed on the left side of pcmanfm. But they aren't.
11:55<kop>sneakers: What do you mean devices?
11:55<sneakers>kop, like all my internal SATA hard disk drives, any external hard drives, thumb sticks, etc
11:56<sneakers>kop, Just like in GNOME when you open "Computer" with nautilus it shows you the top level view of all available devices (including 'File System' which is mounted at / obviously)
11:58<kop>sneakers: If you look in /media all your mounted file systems on removable media will be in there.
11:58<kop>sneakers: What version of debian?
11:58<sneakers>kop, squeeze
11:59<kop>sneakers: Is that what you're looking for?
12:01<sneakers>kop, no. With pcmanfm there is a sidebar. All of my devices should show up in the sidebar. The problem is that they are not showing up. All I see in the sidebar is my home folder, an icon for trash, and an icon for applications.
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12:03<sret>for doing upgrades on any package, is there something i need
12:03<sret>or it depends on the app in question
12:03<kop>sret: No. aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade;
12:04<sret>ok in the terminal i do a apt upgrade?
12:04<kop>sret: That gives you security updates. Otherwise, the packages in debian stable don't change. If you want newer stuff you need to use backports or volatile. (See: /msg dpkg overview)
12:04<kop>sret: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade
12:05<sret>ok so the update and safe upgrade gives me all security stuff?
12:05<kop>sneakers: You could look for a bug report. There are several issues here. First, what is a device? Surely you don't want to see your serial ports there, and all your USB plugs?
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12:06<sneakers>kop, this is how nautilus works (on a fedora install) when you open up "Computer" it shows all devices on your system.
12:06<kop>sneakers: One problem might be that lxde is stricly lsb compliant, and debian is not and may never be. For example, i don't think that /media is in the lsb.
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12:06<kop>sneakers: You could run nautilus. (But if you're running lxde because of resource restrictions that will completely plug up your box.)
12:07<kop>sret: Right.
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12:07<kop>sret: If you run gnome I think there's a button on some bar somewhere too. ??
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12:07<sneakers>kop, I have a feeling if I run nautilus the same problem will happen. I think something else is wrong on my debian install. Like my fstab maybe, or something else "under the hood"
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12:07<kop>sneakers: No. I don't think so.
12:07<sret>im runnin gnome
12:07<sret>what button
12:08<kop>sret: Dunno. I'm not. I've seen it toward the upper right corner. Or maybe it only shows up when there's updates pending?
12:08<sret>oh yeah
12:08<sret>ive seen it in fedora
12:08<sret>not sure of debian
12:09<kop>sneakers: You could type "mount" and see what's mounted if you're worried about what partitions on your drives are used.
12:09<sret>in fedora it comes on the upper right corner
12:09<sret>in debian i dont see that icon
12:09<sneakers>kop, well I installed debian squeeze minimal install inside of a virtual machine. And I just installed xorg openbox fbpanel and a few other apps. So there might be something missing.
12:09<babilen>kop: I think that is done by the "update-notifier" applet or synaptics
12:09<sneakers>kop, I don't care about what is mounted or not mounted. I just want to see my devices shown on pcmanfm sidebar.
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12:10<sret>ok when i do an aptitude update
12:10<sret>it gives me alist of mirrors and ends at that
12:10<sret>does this mean it updated or..
12:10<kop>sneakers: Sorry can't help. If nobody here can then try later. File a bug report. There's still time to get it fixed before release. (possibly)
12:10<sret>towards the end it reads package lists... done
12:10<kop>sret: Yes. It's getting stuff it wants from the mirrors.
12:10<babilen>sret: Probably, are the mirrors prefixed with something like "Get:" or "Ign:" ?
12:10<sret>ok so it updated then
12:11<sret>babilen: yeah
12:11<sret>Hit, Ign
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12:11<pynonoir>Hi. I'm trying to make a new debian package (.deb) with dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage. I need to change the owner of a set of files (www-data instead of root). What file should I modify for that ?
12:11<babilen>sret: Yes, that is the expected output. "Err:" marks errors
12:11<kop>sret: It gets what's on the mirrors. Then safe-upgrade will install new stuff.
12:11<sret>no errors
12:11<babilen>pynonoir: Probably postinst
12:12*kop hates how aptitude is so chatty. It should shut up unless there's an error.
12:12<sret>ok i guess aptis upgraded
12:12<sret>now how do i upgrade pidgin
12:12<ansgar>pynonoir: For www-data, you can just use chown in debian/rules. For users without a static uid, you would have to change permissions in postinst.
12:12<babilen>pynonoir: There is a #debian-mentors channel to discuss packaging related problems
12:12<kop>sret: It's got new info, but nothing new installed.
12:12<sret>the one that came with netinstall is kinda old, like 2.4.3
12:13<sret>oh kop
12:13<babilen>sret: So you installed Lenny and not Squeeze?
12:13<babilen>,versions pidgin
12:13<sret>yeah lenny
12:13<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.9-1
12:13<kop>sret: What version of debian again?
12:13<sret>i386 lenny
12:13<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
12:13<babilen>sret: You can install it from backports -- See for instructions
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12:14<sret>but just a sec, if apt update read the files then its not updated yet?
12:14<kop>sret: You are not reading the overview docs.
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12:14<kop>sret: It gets the list of new packages, but does not install.
12:14<babilen>sret: No, you have to run "aptitude safe-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade" for that. Have a look at "man aptitude" to understand the difference
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12:15<ras>I'm back again :)
12:15<sret>yeah after aptitude update
12:15<pynonoir>babilen, ansgar: thanks!
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12:15<sret>i did a aptitude safe-upgrade
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12:15<kop>sret: Then you've got the latest software in stable.
12:16<ras>I don't have any sound on my fresh squeeze install, does someone know what can be wrong ?
12:16<babilen>!tell ras about alsa checklist
12:16<ras>card ( nvidia nForce2 ) seems correctly installed
12:16<babilen>ras: Is your card seen in /proc/asound/cards ?
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12:16<ras>it's seen in the sound controler of gnome
12:17<sret>intereting but pidgin is old
12:17<sret>its at 2.4.3
12:17<sret>to update it
12:17<sret>i do an apt-get upgrade pidgin?
12:17<fralle>somebody installed codesourcery arm cross compiler stuff on debian amd?
12:17<fralle>debian amd64
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12:17<babilen>sret: You have to install it from backports -- see the information given above by me and kop
12:17<kop>sret: The bot seems broken. Short answer. Once stable is released it does not change. Get newer stuff from backports.
12:17<ras>root@debian:/home/ras# cat /proc/asound/cards
12:17<ras> 0 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
12:17<ras> NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at irq 22
12:18<cahoot>ras: alsa-utils installed?
12:18<kop>sret: For pidgin you may need to get it from volatile. Dunno
12:18<kop>!tell sret about stable
12:18<ras>sure ;)
12:18<sney>usually the problem with sound is that it's muted by default
12:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 463] by debhelper
12:19<babilen>ras: Follow the alsa checklist PMed you by dpkg
12:19<cahoot>ras: so how do you test sound?
12:19<ras>i checked alsamixer
12:19<sret>ok let me add backportsto the source list
12:19<sret>let me do that stuff babilen mentioned from the backports site
12:19<babilen>sret: We will not stop you :)
12:19<sney>did you unmute *everything* ras? sometimes the correct channel is named incorrectly
12:19<ras>with headphones
12:19<sney>like on mine, which is also a nforce board, the audio channel that controls the speakers is called "front"
12:19<cahoot>ras: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2
12:19<kop>ras: It never hurts to see that all the wires are plugged in.
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12:20<ras>kop everytjhing is plugged, and cahoot it does nothing on my ears
12:21<cahoot>ras: let speaker-test run in one terminal and run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 in another
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12:22<ras>didn't work cahoot
12:23<sret>it says add that line to the sources list
12:23<sret>which is in etc/apt/sources
12:23<cahoot>ras: 'didn't work' isn't easily parsed
12:23<sret>if i go into sources, it gives me a popup called Software sources
12:23<sret>where do i add the line there
12:23<babilen>sret: popup? how do you "go" into sources?
12:23<ras>cahoot, it returned : Resetting ALSA card 0...done., but i still have no sound ;)
12:24<sret>babilen: system> etc> apt>
12:24<kop>sret: BTW, they'll be a new stable "real soon now" (which probably means counting in weeks) and all the software will upgrade to something newer. You just need to follow the release notes found at to upgrade.
12:24<babilen>sret: The instructions refer to editing /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor (e.g. nano, vim, emacs, gedit, ..)
12:24<sret>and it opens up something called software sources
12:24<cahoot>ras ok - alsa thinks all is as should be
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12:24<sret>if you click "add" under third party software it lets you add the apt line
12:25<cahoot>ras: no real speakers at hand?
12:25<sret>is this where i should add the bvackports sources list?
12:25<babilen>sret: You mean you try to open that file from within the "file manager" (nautilus) with a single left click or with a right click and "open" ?
12:25<ras>i think it's okay too, since it's an old card and it's recognized by the sound controler right after installation
12:25<ras>why is headphones wrong cahoot ? they work...
12:25<kop>sret: We don't do well supporting gui interaction. It's a lot harder to tell people what icon to find/where to click/etc. than it is to tell them to put a line in a file.
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12:26<sret>babilen: yeah
12:26<kop>sret: Sounds likely. You could also use the synaptic package manager if you're afraid of typing into a text editor in a terminal window.
12:26<babilen>sret: I have no idea which program you just started :-\ -- Probably synaptics (a graphical package manager) which I know nothing about. Could you put a screenshot online?
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12:26<cahoot>ras: didn't say they are wrong, just hinting on a possible way to troubleshoot
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12:27<sret>found synaptics
12:27<ml|>any ideas why I don't have pcspkr working? this my card.. Multimedia audio controller [0401]: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] [13f6:8788]
12:27<ras>but no, i have nothing else
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12:28<babilen>sret: Users in this channel typically do all this from the command line and just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor. But the "third party" add sounds reasonable. Just add it and paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" after you've done that, so we can check if it is correct. (to
12:28<kop>sret: You should be able to stumble through it yourself. If something breaks badly we can tell you how to show us the file.
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12:28<cahoot>ml|: snd-pcsp loaded/interfering?
12:28<kop>!tell sret about paste
12:28<kop>sret: pastebinit is also handy.
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12:29<septiq>Hi, since squeez upgrade initramfs won't assemble my 2 scsi disks raid1 array, in initramfs console though i can do so manually and mount md0 ; i tried raising rootdelay but it won't solve even if it seems a delay issue (my ultra2wide scsi drives are slow to come up), something like ? should i manually patch local-top/mdadm script ? any idea ? thanks
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12:29<ml|>cahoot: nope that is not listed as loaded
12:30<sret>ok babilen kop
12:30<sret>this synaptics thing is handy
12:30<sret>basiclaly it lets me mark all upgrades
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12:30<sret>all the pkgs are mentioned in there
12:30<kop>septiq: First, report a bug so that it can get fixed before release. Does update-initramfs help?
12:30<ras>anything else cahoot ?
12:30<kop>sret: It'll also be handy-er if you install debtags.
12:31<sret>how do i install debtags
12:31<sret>apt get install debtags?
12:31<cahoot>ras: you've doublechecked cable/connector?
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12:31<kop>sret: aptitude install debtags (or do something gui-esque in synaptics.)
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12:31<kop>cahoot: he said so.
12:31<babilen>sret: either "aptitude install debtags" or use your newly discovered synaptics for that :)
12:31<kop>!tell sret about why aptitude
12:31<ras>and, also, i found another headphone, which didn't have better results
12:32<sret>isnt it apt-get install debtags?
12:32<sret>do i need to type the whole thing?
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12:32<kop>sret: aptitude is preferred.
12:32<septiq>kop: of course no
12:32<babilen>sret: Tab completion works, try: "apti<TAB> ins<TAB> deb<TAB><TAB>ta<TAB>"
12:32<sret>i got my first debian canot do it msg
12:32<kop>sret: You can use tab completion. Type "apti" and then tab will fill out the rest, or pressing tab twice will give you choices -- type more and press tab again.
12:33<kop>septiq: ?
12:33<sret>i did an apt install debtags
12:33<sret>and i got this
12:33<kop>sret: Don't paste into this channel.
12:33<cahoot>ras: let speaker-test run in one terminal and run alsamixer in another - see if toggling IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output makes a difference
12:33<septiq>kop: update-initramfs won't help
12:34<sret>hold on using pastebin
12:34<ras>nope cahoot
12:34<kop>septiq: I'm out of options. And I don't know that much. You could try again later, or maybe someone here now will step up.
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12:35<septiq>thanks kop
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12:35<sret>just so you know synpatics is open on the side
12:35<sret>not sure if thats why it triggered that
12:35<ml|>hmm, blacklist snd-pcsp is the reason why I have no pcspkr?
12:35<kop>sret: You are not root. :)
12:35<kop>sret: Ah. Yes, snaptics has the database locked.
12:36<sret>i am
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12:36<babilen>sret: And yes, close synaptics
12:36<sret>i see the #
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12:36<sret>ah closed synp and it works
12:36<babilen>sret: The lock is meant to prevent tools from making concurrent changes to the package database that might cause a corrupted state
12:36<sret>thanks kop for the dpkg msgs
12:37<sret>ok debtags installed
12:37<babilen>!tell sret about grounding
12:37<sret>now back to the sources thing
12:37<babilen>!tell sret about reference
12:37<cahoot>ml|: speaking of the module or the function pcspekaer?
12:38<babilen>sret: You might want to read some documentation ... The reference is great and you'll be more than able to handle most of what you'll encounter on your own once you've read it.
12:38<kop>sret: Do you see the factoids we have dpkg tell you about?
12:38<sret>let me check
12:38<ml|>cahoot: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf
12:39<cahoot>ml|: I meant - when you say pcspkr - do you mean the module pcspkr?
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12:39<babilen>sret: The other things like <fundamentals> , <refcard> and <newbiedoc> might also be interesting. Just ask dpkg about it.
12:39<kop>!tell sret about msg the bot
12:40<ml|>cahoot: I the function of actual pcspeaker; it is not listed in alsamixer for me to adjust
12:40<ras>cahoot, anything else i didn't check ?
12:40<cahoot>ml|: so modprobe snd-pcsp (alternatively modprobe pcspkr)
12:41<babilen>sret: And don't feel buried now, you'll have plenty of time. But spending some time with the reference really pays off. :)
12:41<ml|>cahoot: that is what I was thinking just wanted to make sure; will try now thanks
12:41<cahoot>ras: no - I'd try to have speaker-test running and sytematically try out the options in alsamixer
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12:41<sret>for the sources.list
12:42<ras>cahoot, are we sure everything is okay with alsa ?
12:42<sret>there is another folder inside apt called sources.list.d
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12:42<cahoot>ras: you haven't reported any complaints
12:42<babilen>ras: Still no sound? Could you run;a=blob_plain;f=utils/ and paste the result? #alsa on might also be a place to ask if we run out of ideas.
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12:43<cahoot>ras: you haven't reported any complaints indicating any error with alsa per se
12:43<babilen>sret: So?
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12:44<ras>cahoot, I didn't have any...
12:44<cahoot>ras hence I and alsa think all is as should be wrt alsa
12:45<sret>ok from the reference manual
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12:45<sret>it says for newbies its best to leave pkgs as it is
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12:45<sret>and not go mucking around backports or whatever from the looks of it
12:45<babilen>sret: Read "SOURCES.LIST.D" in "man sources.list" if you want to understand what that is, but I don't think that you should make that a priority. In general *.d directories in /etc/ contain single files that are also taken into account as configuration (if the files therein follow certain conventions)
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12:46<ras>cahoot, wrt alsa ?
12:46<cahoot>with regard to
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12:47<babilen>sret: Linux lets you do a lot of "stupid" things, but adding backports is certainly not one of them. Please note that you wouldn't have to deal with this if you had installed Squeeze. Backports are the officially supported way of adding newer software to stable releases, you should be fine.
12:47<sret>ok let me get this right
12:47<sret>under automatic download and upgrade
12:47<sret>it says its all under unattended-upgrades
12:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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12:48<ras>babilen :
12:48<sret>if i open the unattended upgrades
12:48<sret>it takes me to gedit, some editor i guess
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12:49<ml|>cahoot: pcspkr is loaded, anything else I need to do? still not showing in alsamixer; I did stop and start alsa-utils
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12:49<sret>in there all i have is unattended-upgrade: Allowed origins
12:49<sret>debian stable
12:49<cahoot>snd-pcsp is the alsamodule
12:49<sret>debian testing
12:49<sret>and under that unattended upgrade package backlist
12:50<babilen>ras: Versions mismatch driver vs library vs utilities might be worth checking out.
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12:50<cahoot>ml|: so modprobe snd-pcsp (alternatively modprobe pcspkr)
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12:50<ras>how do i do that babilen ?
12:51<cahoot>ras: you have 2 sound cards - which one is the headset connected to?
12:51<ml|>cahoot: forgot to tell you... FATAL: Module snd_pcsp not found.
12:52<bja>Small detail :D
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12:52<cahoot>ml|: well pcspkr won't be accessible via alsa
12:53<ras>i'm pretty sure it's the nvidia nForce cahoot , but i tried both
12:53<cahoot>ras: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D hw:2 just for kicks
12:53<ml|>ok, so no beeps for me then?
12:53<dpkg>i guess beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see
12:54<babilen>who wants beeps anyway?
12:54<sret>this is going over my heard
12:54<sret>all i want to do is update a package
12:54<sret>how do i setup /etc/apt/apt/conf
12:54<sret>how do i setup /etc/apt/apt.conf
12:55<ml|>babilen: like for irssi when I get a pm or I'm highlighted a beep would come in handy
12:55<babilen>sret: Why would you want to do that?
12:55<sret>so it does automatic security updates
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12:55<sret>checks for updates everyday and will install them
12:56<babilen>ml|: Agreed, but still "pcspkr" urgh. But pray continue, I did not meant to interrupt.
12:56<ras>oh dear lord, i'm so sorry cahoot, but it seems that the nvidia is the chipset integrated to the motherboard (that doesn't work) and so the sound card is the other ><'
12:56<cahoot>so ?
12:56<babilen>sret: You have to edit /etc/apt/preferences for that. And add the three lines (the pinning ones from the instructions) to it.
12:56<ras>so i'll try to play with alsamixer with the other card
12:57<ml|>babilen: anything besides using a beep, like for my irssi example?
12:57<cahoot>ras: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 2
12:57<babilen>ml|: I'm not doing anything fancy.
12:57<sret>but i have no apt/preferences
12:57<babilen>sret: You can create that file.
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12:58<ras>cahoot, :D
12:58<ras>but i still don't understand something
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12:58<babilen>sret: Can you handle an editor like vim, nano or gedit?
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12:58<cahoot>ras got sound now?
12:58<sret>i can handle gedit
12:58<sret>i wanted to add backports to the sources list
12:58<sret>i still havent done that
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12:59<ras>not everywhere
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12:59<ras>but the speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D hw:2 works ;)
12:59<ml|>babilen: ok, I can live without it; I just need to keep my eye on urgency I'm using in xmonad
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13:01<cahoot>ras: you probably want the present card2 to be card0 i e default?
13:01<ras>cahoot, the thing i don't understand is that alsamixer is still positioned on the nvidia nForce, instead of the other one
13:01<ras>yep ;)
13:01<sret>ok i managed to add the backports to
13:01<cahoot>try this (as root) echo -e "Options snd-cmipci- index=0 \nOptions snd-hda-intel index=-2" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf - the alsa force-reload
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13:02<babilen>sret: Great
13:02<cahoot>ras: err: echo -e "options snd-cmipci- index=0 \noptions snd-hda-intel index=-2" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf - the alsa force-reload
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13:02<cahoot>ras skip the trailin - on snd-cmipci
13:03<ras>skip the what ?
13:03<babilen>sret: Now edit /etc/apt/preferences and add the three lines mentioned on the instructions page (the pinning ones) to that (empty) file. Save it and run "aptitude update" -- You can then install pidgin with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin" and it will be updated once a new version is backported
13:03<cahoot>its smd-cmipci, not snd-cmipci-
13:03<sret>how do i add a file
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13:03<cahoot>meh snd
13:04<sret>i dont know if the sources list dded backports
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13:04<sret>but i see under third party software : http: blalbal volatile and is mentioned
13:04<babilen>sret: Just edit a file named /etc/apt/preferences (it will be created when you save) -- or run "touch /etc/apt/preferences" as root and edit the resulting empty file
13:05<babilen>sret: Let us have a look and paste "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to
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13:06<ras>cahoot, i did that, but i don't have anysound if i do for example aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
13:06<cahoot>speaker-test is what you use
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13:07<sret>sorry did it on nomore already, next time
13:07<cahoot>ras: put cat /proc/asound/cards on a pastebin
13:07<ras>cahoot, speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D hw:2 works fine; )
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13:08<cahoot>ras: did you run alsa force-reload?
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13:08<babilen>ras: Looks fine. You should be able to activate that by running "aptitude update"
13:09<babilen>sret: ^^^^
13:09<babilen>ras: ENICK - sorry
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13:09<ras>i forgot alsa force-reload ^^ sorry
13:09<sret>ok babilen
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13:09<ras>that works babilen
13:10<sret>ok sweet
13:10<ras>you've been saving my life a lot this past 2 days :)
13:10<sret>now how do i upgrade pidgin?
13:10<sret>ctually i dont wish to pugrade it
13:10<babilen>sret: Note that the changes to /etc/apt/preferences are necessary in order to receive automatic updates from backports. You have to give packages from backports a higher priority so they are considered for installation, which is why you "pin" them to a different (than the default) priority.
13:10<sret>but i like it to get working atleast
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13:11<sret>babilen: speaking of preferences, i tried creating it, says no permission
13:11<sret>how do i get root access to do that
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13:11<sret>do i have to logoff and login as root?
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13:12<sret>is there no way to be root inside of /apt?
13:12<babilen>sret: no, you could for example install "gksu" (aptitude install gksu) and run "gksu gedit /etc/apt/preferences"
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13:13<babilen>sret: You have to type your root password into the dialogue box
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13:13<sret>i tried apt install gksu
13:13<ras>so, i can move my computer to my room
13:13<babilen>sret: After you've done that (paste /etc/apt/preferences if unsure) you can run "aptitude update" and upgrade pidgin with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin"
13:14<sret>it says no packages will be installed or upgraded. or removed
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13:14<ras>thanks again babilen
13:14<sret>which means i have glksu already..
13:14<babilen>sret: It was probably installed already
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13:14<babilen>ras: huh? what have I done that fixed it? wasn't cahoot working with you?
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13:14<ras>oh, sorry ^^
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13:14<ras>thanks again cahoot
13:15<sret>ok now how do i get into as root in /apt
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13:15<babilen>no problem, i always like to be thanked for, but I just think that it was unearned in this case :)
13:15<sret>i did a gksu gedit in the terminal and i got GTK warning
13:15<sret>cannot open display
13:15<ras>you helped me with other issues, so you deserve it ^^
13:16<ras>have to go
13:16<sret>forgot the path
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13:16<babilen>sret: I don't understand your question. "gksu" lets you run programs (gedit in my example) in the graphical environment as root. "gksu gedit /etc/apt/preferences" edits the preferences file with gedit as root (which is necessary in order to make changes)
13:16<sret>im on root
13:17<babilen>sret: Ah, run it as your user ...
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13:17<babilen>sret: Just open another terminal and run it with your normal user
13:17<sret>as user it opened gedit
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13:18<sret>yeah i ran it as user
13:18<sret>and got an error
13:18<babilen>sret: All the "su" "sudo" "gksu" "sux" programs let you become root (or other users) in different ways. "sux" and "gksu" also let you run graphical programs as root in a graphical environment that belongs to your user
13:18<babilen>sret: Please consider using interpunctation and, well, what is the error?
13:18<sret>unknown mime type for /etc/apt/preferences" -- using "application/octet-stream
13:19<babilen>that shouldn't be a problem
13:19<sret>i mispelt
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13:19<sret>heh works now
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13:19<sret>ok preferences is open
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13:20<babilen>sret: Paste the three lines in the "Get packages upgraded from (Recommended!)" (the highlighted ones starting with Package: *) into the gedit and save the file
13:20<sret>Package: *
13:20<sret>Pin: release a=lenny-backports
13:20<sret>Pin-Priority: 200
13:20<sret>these 3 lines right?
13:20<babilen>yes, those :-\
13:20<sret>right rigt
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13:20<sret>ok done
13:21<mrnice85>Hi, hab ein Problem bei Lenny. Fehlerhafter Dateideskriptor beim kopieren im Netzwerk. kann mir jemand helfen???
13:21<sret>ok what next
13:21<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:21<sret>how do i upgrade now
13:21<sret>aptitude upgrade pidgin?
13:22<sret>and it sohuld work?
13:22<babilen>sret: no, i told you already: "aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin"
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13:23<babilen>sret: It will "install" pidgin from backports (realising that the version is a new one, remove the old one and install the new one)
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13:23<sret>so it will automatically remove the old and install a new?
13:23<sret>basically an upgrade
13:24<florian_>Hi, habe ein Problem mit Lenny. Fehlerhafter Dateideskriptor // beim kopieren. Kann mir jemand helfen??
13:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:24<sret>just another thing
13:24<sret>when i did a gksu gedit etc/...
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13:24<sret>it opened up gedit, which was fine
13:24<babilen>florian_: Dies ist ein englischsprachiger Channel -- Entweder Du sprichst Englisch oder fragst in
13:24<sret>but in the terminal it uses a new line and doesnt go back to a prompt
13:25<sret>how do i get back to the prompt
13:25<babilen>sret: Just close gedit
13:25<sret>gedit is closed
13:25<babilen>sret: CTRL-C ?
13:25*sret takes note
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13:26<babilen>np -- and *please* use a subset of the following characters more often: , ; . " ' ? -
13:26<babilen>(and less ENTER)
13:27<mrnice85>@babilen: Danke für den "freundlichen" Hinweis. Ist mein erstes mal im IRC. Wird nicht mehr passieren.
13:27<babilen>sret: CTRL-C terminates running commands. gedit was probably still running somewhere, you just terminated that.
13:27<sret>my package manager does the automatic updates now
13:27<sret>and i get an icon on the upper right hand corner
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13:27<babilen>mrnice85: Verzeihung, passiert mir dauern, dass mein Deutsch sehr foermlich rueberkommt. War nicht boese gemeint :)
13:27<sret>babilen: noted
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13:28<sret>so when you do aptitude lenny... backports upgrade for pidgin
13:28<sret>its done it now i believe
13:29<sret>thanks babilen
13:29<babilen>sret: "apt-cache policy pidgin" should give you more information about the installed version. Or just run it and enjoy the awesome pidgin experience ;)
13:29<sret>btw the part about upgrading is in the reference manual
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13:29<babilen>sret: hehe, sure :)
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13:29<devil>mrnice85: du willst betimmt nach
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13:30<sret>lolthe pidgin experience is just so i can login and tell my wife i have it installed and her lil fedora box sucked:P
13:30<sret>i think she'll like debian
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13:30<sret>ok now to learn editors
13:31<babilen>sret: Please note that you'll have to upgrade it to Squeeze soonish (once it is released) -- The process is detailed in the "Release Notes" --
13:31<babilen>sret: "vimtutor"
13:31<sret>yeah but
13:31<sret>even if squeeze is released
13:31<mrnice85>ja, kam auch schon an. ist aber wenig los.
13:31<sret>there will be support for lenny for a yr
13:31<sret>thats what i last heard from somneone
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13:32<babilen>sret: Sure, no need to rush it. (If you don't want to)
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13:32<sret>say i was swtching to squeeze from lenny
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13:32<sret>i'd have to backup and do an installation all over again, iso, etc?
13:33<babilen>No, no no ... You can (easily) upgrade a running system. The whole process is detailed in the release notes.
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13:33<babilen>sret: Err, switching from Squeeze to Lenny is best done with a reinstall though. Sorry, my autocorrect filter corrected your question.
13:33<sneakers>If I run nautilus as a stand alone program like this: nautilus --no-desktop
13:33<sneakers>Will nautilus still be able to show all internal hard drives and removable media on the sidebar? With the ability to double-click and mount?
13:34<sret>babilen: yeha so an iso and everything all over again?
13:34<retrospectacus>sneakers: did you try it?
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13:34<babilen>sneakers: yes (probably), just try it
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13:35<sret>im in the debian release notes link for i386
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13:35<babilen>sret: You have Lenny installed right now and you can upgrade your system to Squeeze (the next release) without a new installation and without the need to download any ISO.
13:35<sret>but it sayts its for lenny 5.0
13:35<sret>which one am i supposed to read
13:35<retrospectacus>sret: pleeeeease finish your thoughts *before* hitting enter!
13:35<sret>babilen: oh nice
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13:36<babilen>sret: It is, on the other hand, quite hard to impossible to *downgrade* a system (e.g. Squeeze to Lenny) and the best way to do that is a reinstall.
13:36<sret>dont think i'll be downgrading
13:37<sret>btw is there a way to change my terminal background color?
13:37<babilen>No, you will not (but you asked that, hence my correction "say i was swtching to squeeze from lenny")
13:37<babilen>sret: Sure, right click, edit profile preferences
13:37<sret>oh right i meant lenny to squeeze
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13:39<babilen>sret: The release notes I was referring to are: (there are other languages as well)
13:39<sret>there already, thanks
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13:40<babilen>sret: But honestly: If you consider doing that right now (lenny->squeeze) it would be *much easier* to just reinstall using Squeeze ISOs.
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13:41<babilen>Be that as it may, I'm off. Have a nice evening sret and enjoy Debian. Same for you, #d :)
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13:41<sret>na i wont be doing for some time
13:41<sret>babilen: thakns for all the help dude, good evening:D
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13:47<metrem0>bonjour, j'ai un soucis avec ma clef wifi usb, le driver est bien chargé mais je ne vois toujours pas d'interface wlan, quelqu'un aurai une idée?
13:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:48<oskie>what's a good way to set up partitions larger than 2 TB?
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 462] by debhelper
13:49<oskie>ah GPT
13:49<oskie>i'll just skip partitions entirely
13:50<gruetzkopf>>2 TB superfloppy :-)
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13:51<oskie>yeah 3TB WD USB disk (will be used for backup only)
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13:54<gruetzkopf>hi ras
13:54<ras>hi gruetzkopf
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13:55<ras>i have a problem with gnome / gnome-desktop-environment
13:55<gruetzkopf>so, whats your problem
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13:56<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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13:57<ras>reinstall the metapackage didn't work
13:57<ras>but if i unmarkauto the metapackage, will it work correctly ?
13:57<jordanm>ras: no, you need to unmarkauto all those packages it wants to remove
13:57<jordanm>you can easily unmarkauto all currently installed packages with aptitude unmarkauto ~i
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13:58<jordanm>that can have negative side effect of apt keeping unneeded packages though
13:58<ras>i'll do it correctly
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13:59*jordanm considers that a bug
13:59*dvs considers it an "undocumented feature"
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14:00*ras consider that a bug too
14:00<ras>since i just install squeeze and chose "desktop environment" during installation
14:00<jordanm>most of the devs agreed that it was a problem, but most also did not agree with the proposed solution
14:01<ras>yep, maybe
14:01<jordanm>I bet we will see a fix in wheezy
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14:01<dvs>so in 10 years? ;-)
14:01<ras>it's not really a problem if you use apt-get since you have the choice to autoremove or not
14:01<ras>but aptitude does autoremove automatically
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14:02<jordanm>ras: I have not used apt-get in a long time but IIRC, in squeeze apt-get shares the same behavior
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14:04*dvs thinks "unmarkauto" should be run at the end of the install
14:06<ras>time to eat (in france)
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14:07<dvs>that's late!
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14:12<sret>just wondering
14:12<sret>a noob question
14:12<sret>i was trying to install epic4, which i did using synaptic
14:12<retrospectacus>sret: pleeeeease finish your thoughts *before* hitting enter!
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14:12<sret>i see the epic4 folder and all, but is there something else left to run this thing?
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14:13<sret>because if i typed epic in the terminnal, just keeps saying bad command
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14:14<jordanm>,versions epic4
14:14<judd>Package epic4 on i386 -- etch: 1:2.6-1; lenny: 1:2.6-1.2; sid: 1:2.10.1-1; squeeze: 1:2.10.1-1
14:14<jordanm>sret: try /usr/share/doc/epic4/README.Debian
14:14<jordanm>,info epic4
14:14<judd>Package epic4 (net, optional) in lenny/i386: epic irc client, version 4. Version: 1:2.6-1.2; Size: 430.5k; Installed: 1400k; Homepage:
14:14<retrospectacus>sret: try typing epic<TAB>
14:15<jordanm>sret: and also dpkg -L epic4 (look for /usr/bin files)
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14:16<sret>the readme file doesnt say much
14:16<sret>thanks retrospectacus
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14:17<retrospectacus>sret: tab completion will help you an astounding amount. Press tab ALL THE TIME
14:18<cahoot>and enter less
14:18<sret>i thought you were a bot lol:P
14:18<jordanm>and make sure to disable the pcspkr, or tab all the time will annoy your neighbors :)
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14:20<retrospectacus>!fruitsmite sret
14:20*dpkg smites sret with a truckload of apples
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14:34<god>openssl req -new -x509 -extensions v3_ca -keyout private/cakey.pem \
14:34<god>-out cacert.pem -days 3650 -config ./openssl.cnf
14:34<god>seems to be invalid
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14:34<Guest4055>returning openssl's help
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14:34<fgets>Any help?
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14:36<fgets>I understand this isn't directly a debian question, but i suppose you would know?
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14:37<faheem>fgets: what's the question?
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14:37<fgets>openssl req -new -x509 -extensions v3_ca -keyout private/cakey.pem \
14:37<ballison>I have a cvs tree that developers use here locally. And when they check out the top of the tree they get everything underneath copied over to their local home directory -including all the images-. is there a way i can prevent images from being copied over?
14:37<fgets>-out cacert.pem -days 3650 -config ./openssl.cnf
14:37<fgets>is not a real command
14:37<acu>I want to add user acu to group sudo - is adduser acu sudo ?
14:37<dvs>acu: addgroup
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14:38<fgets>'nick' ALL=(ALL) ALL
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14:38<acu>dvs: still confused I am adding an user to a group
14:38<fgets>acu: add this line to visudo 'god ALL=(ALL) ALL'
14:38<fgets>it is a command
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14:39<trmanovo>any plans to package joomla for debian?, do we have anything better/similar?
14:39<sret>how do i check what shell im using
14:39<fgets>trmanovo: make your own
14:39<sret>from the terminal
14:39<trench>anyone using debian testing here?
14:39<fgets>sret: bash?
14:39<nadir>echo $SHELL
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14:39<retrospectacus>trench, of course, lots
14:39<fgets>god ALL=(ALL) ALL
14:40<trench>retrospectacus: you?
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14:40<fgets>according to this page,
14:40<sret>ah thanks nadir
14:40<trench>tried the icedove packages?
14:40<sret>im on bash
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14:40<trench>it starts iceweasel if i try to start it
14:40<sret>so nadir
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14:41<acu>fgets god scares me
14:41<trench>retrospectacus: so was just wonderring if anyone else got that error
14:41<sret>if i want to add a line to my .bash_profile
14:41<fgets>i am no god
14:41<sret>how do i do that
14:41<fgets>i am buddhist
14:41<acu>fgets: I am sure you are not :) - I was thinking of real god :)
14:41<retrospectacus>trench. yes I have squeeze here. What error?
14:41<fgets>i have over 900 hells
14:42<fgets>scares me daily
14:42<trench>retrospectacus: if i start icedove & in the console i get iceweasel
14:42<trench>not icedove
14:42<sret>rther how do i edit my .bash_profile
14:42<fgets>vi, nano
14:42<nadir>sret: with a text-editor, or not
14:42<nadir>yes, vi nano, whatever.
14:42<acu>fgets: you are not a buddist either - you are a human being - a 100% recyclable - to be reduced to nothing - temporary hold together matter - but this is offtopic :)
14:43<fgets>acu: i will be reborn
14:43<fgets>acu: and if not, i live life content
14:43<sneakers>Hi, I have tried pcmanfm, thunar, and nautilus, and in each case the file browser does not show my internal drives (in the side panel for example). I think there is something wrong with my system but I need help figuring this out. Here is a paste of /proc/partitions /etc/mtab /etc/fstab fdisk -l and mount:
14:43<fgets>i really careless, i cannot change that face. I can however change right now
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14:43<fgets>SO my openssl QUESTION
14:44<fgets>i need to make an https certificate, and the bloody page lies about it
14:44<retrospectacus>sneakers: you need to add the sdb partitions to the fstab
14:44<retrospectacus>trench: icedove is not a valid command for me
14:44<sret>how do i open gedit
14:44<fgets>doesn't exist
14:45<fgets>gksudo gedit /file
14:45<sneakers>retrospectacus, But this is debian squeeze running live on a thumb stick. It will run on different machines, some with sdb and some without. How do I make the file browser automatically list the volumes?
14:45<retrospectacus>fgets: apache2 supports SSL with no addons
14:45<trench>icedove -v Icedove 3.0.11, Copyright (c) 1998-2010
14:45<trench>is what i have
14:45<retrospectacus>fgets: that thing you said is for old apache1
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14:46<fgets>if i am correct my apache2 DOES HAS https
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14:47<retrospectacus>sneakers: you do what I said. I don't know another way, there may exist one though :)
14:47<sneakers>retrospectacus, Why do I need to add it to the fstab? I don't want to mount the drive necessarily.
14:47<fgets>am i a sinner for useing it
14:47<sneakers>retrospectacus, I just want the file browser to show the device on the side panel. Then the user can double-click to mount.
14:47<retrospectacus>fgets: grep -ri 443 /etc/apache2
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14:48<sret>this is weird
14:48<retrospectacus>sneakers: I know what you mean, but this does not happen on internal drives for some reason
14:48<sret>fgets: i did that but gedit opens just telling me about permission rights and if you close that
14:48<ompaul>fgets: you might like openssl req $@ -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/apache.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/apache.pem
14:48<sret>notihng happens
14:48<sret>where did gedit go?
14:49<retrospectacus>sret: for the 3rd time, please finish your thoughts *before* hitting enter!
14:49<sneakers>retrospectacus, I think this does happen on internal drives but I am just missing some configuration.
14:49<sret>ok think i got it, gksu gedit did the trick and works from the user account.
14:49<ompaul>sret: put all your thoughts on one line and then press the enter key, commas have a use ;-) feel free to use them :)
14:50<sret>ok ok:P
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14:52<ballison>does anyone know how to set up cvs so that when a developer checks out a high level branch that they don't get all the images underneath?
14:52<fgets>sret: visudo
14:52<fgets>sret: add the line i told you
14:53<fgets>sret: next to the root line
14:53<trench>ballison: use git or subversion instead much better
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14:55<sret>fgets: are you talking about gksu gedit
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14:55<fgets>sret: type visudo in a console as ROOT
14:56<fgets>sret: imposing you have root
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14:56<fgets>sret: add the line under # User privilege specification
14:56<fgets>You get it?
14:56*babilen smiles
14:57<fgets>SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
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14:57<jthill>ballison: all scm's have some 'module' idea for keeping things separate.
14:57<babilen>ballison: #cvs on freenode -- but do you *really* want to use CVS these days?
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14:57<fgets>Ok i think i screwed up apache2
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14:57<jthill>+ what trench and babilen said
14:57<sret>yeah i got it
14:58<fgets>i want to have a password prompt, and use that
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14:58<fgets>and the command above succeeded
14:58<fgets>but now this
14:58<sret>where is the .bash_profile file located?
14:58<babilen>sret: In your home directory ~/.bash_profile -- what do you need it for?
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14:59<sret>wb babilen
14:59<sret>im installing epic
14:59<babilen>sounds ... epic
14:59<ballison>trench: I don't have that as an option. I've walked into a shop that uses CVS, and the boss wants it so when someone checks out the high level branch they don't get all the images copied over as well.
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14:59<babilen>sret: /me recommends irssi
14:59<sret>installed but epic4 is kinda ancient and doesnt use a normal setenv variable, i have to edit it in my bash profile
14:59<jthill>one thing you can do is to serve your media from an interface that's outside scm, maintain links to the correct version into scm, add a make rule that fetches the file when you really need it
15:00<ballison>is there a way i can just tell cvs to not copy over all the images as well ?
15:00<sret>so wanted to add a line or two, such as default nicks, etc, to the bash profile so i dont have to do it all the time
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15:00<sret>babilen: im using irssi but i'd like to try epic
15:00<babilen>have fun
15:00<jthill>don't check out those files
15:00<sret>hehe so far not a lot, epic is tricky, epic4 is tricky, epic5 is easier
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15:01<jthill>*s/into scm/in scm/
15:01<fgets>i fixed it
15:01<trench>real people use telnet at an irc client :)
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15:02<fgets>ln -sfn /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-ssl
15:02<jthill>and bare ip's for http links
15:02<sret>babilen: my home director is kinda empty, aall it has is desktop and "lost+found
15:02<fgets>How do i enable a password prompt now?
15:02<fgets>better, if i could do it through php
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15:02<retrospectacus>fgets: that ln command should be done like this: a2ensite default-ssl
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15:03<babilen>sret: files that start with a . are typically hidden -- either right click → show hidden files, or use "$EDITOR .bash_profile" (replace $EDITOR with your favourite editor or use the default)
15:03<fgets>i did that, and it said it was already enabled
15:03<fgets>and i restarted apache2
15:03<fgets>and still, so i did that command, and it succeeded
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15:04<sret>ok babilen thanks
15:04<fgets>BUT the name, and orginization are not identified, and i specified them using that command given
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15:04<sret>i tried showing hidden files, nothing showed up, maye i need to be in root?
15:04<fgets>i also want to password protect the https connection
15:04<fgets>sret: gksudo nautilus
15:05<babilen>sret: no, it has nothing to do with root
15:05<sret>babilen: then i see no hidden files, i checked properties and access files is greyed out and says root
15:05<fgets>sret: ls -A
15:05<babilen>sret: "ls -la ~" should show you all files in your home directory
15:05<sret>ohh got it, sorry
15:06<fgets>ls -A is less complicated to look at
15:06<babilen>sret: Why do you think this has anything to do with root (assuming you mean the user)
15:06<sret>is .profile .bash_profile?
15:06<fgets>retro: any help?
15:07<babilen>sret: No, you don't necessarily have a .bash_profile
15:07<sret>well then i dont have one at this moment
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15:08<sret>so if i created one is that ok?
15:09<fgets>if you can
15:09<sret>well im on gedit, [paste the few lines i want, save as .bash_profile and im set, right?
15:10<fgets>ctrl -s
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15:11<alexx7777>Hello, I am a novice user. Faced here with such a problem - debian lxde installation was successful, but during the boot process as a result of the monitor Samsung 765 mb appears "frequency is exceeded (the actual image from your computer is lost). Tell me please what to do in this case, fix the problem? desired resolution - 1024x768 alexx7777 Post
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15:14<retrospectacus>alexx7777: ssh into the machine after it's booted, then run "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1024x768"
15:14<bartm>retrospectacus, (s)he's already away
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15:15<bartm>no patience :)
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15:16<ompaul>2 minutes fix me or whatever
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15:16<sret>how do i check if i have a .bash_profile file
15:16<sret>from the terminal
15:16<ompaul>ls .bash_profile -l
15:17<bartm>sret, ls ~/.bash_profile
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15:17<ompaul>sret: mostly you will have a .profile and .bashrc
15:18<sret>yeha i have a .profile and a bashrc but i thought .profile wasnt .bash_profile
15:19<sret>says cannot access /home/lycan/.bash_profile: no such file or directory
15:19<ompaul>sret: cat .profile << and be enlightened
15:19<ompaul>sret: cos it does not exist
15:20<duri>hi, i wonder how can i completely disable gnome-keyring so it wouldn't prompting for a password everytime i log in. i tried deleting login.keyring file and setting an empty password, but it always requires me to set new password
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15:20<ompaul>sret: the << was to indicate what I wanted you to run
15:20<sret>yeah i ran it
15:20<bartm>duri, maybe remove the package containing the software
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15:20<sret>says this file which is .profile is not read if .bash_profile or /bash_login exists
15:21<bartm>duri, do you mean the gnome login?
15:21<sret>so if i have to make a .bash_profile file, i just edit .profile?
15:22<ompaul>sret: no if you want that kind of a file you will have to set your own options in it
15:22<sret>how do i do that? i needed to add a few lines to the .bash_profile file
15:22<bartm>sret, I guess you're not yet familiar with vi, right?
15:23<ompaul>sret: you could add them to .profile if you wanted - what are you trying to do?
15:23<sret>im using gedit for now
15:23<sret>ompaul: few lines of setenvs for epic4
15:23<bartm>sret, well, just type "gedit ~/.bash_profile" in a terminal
15:25<duri>bartm: no, the login is ok, but i don't like the prompt which wants me to unlock the keyring. it shows when i e.g.want to connect to wlan
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15:26<bartm>duri, there's a keyring named "login" that is unlocked when the user logs in
15:26<ompaul>sret: grep -v \# .profile > .bash_profile and then edit the file
15:26<babilen>sret: setenv? And I would actually do something like: to set environment variables
15:26<babilen>sret: If that just confuses you, sorry.
15:27<sret>kinda ocnfused me
15:27<sret>yeah i have a .bash_profile now in /home
15:27<babilen>sret: And sorry if you get slightly conflicting information here, there are a lot of different ways to solve the same problem.
15:27<ompaul>sret: the thing is it does not matter if it is in .bashrc or .bash_profile
15:28<sret>but it looks totally weird when i do a cat .bash_profile
15:28<sret>basically the epic stuff i have to add is
15:28<ompaul>dont paset it here
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15:28<sret>its like 2 -3 lines
15:28<ompaul>sret: paste it in
15:29<babilen>sret: I will shut up now as I see that this is a bit too much to stomach. I just like to keep my configuration files seperate which if why I create a bunch of different files for, e.g. functions, environment variables, aliases and source each of them from a central file (i.e. .bashrc) if they exist
15:29<sret>babilen: yeah i need to get a hang of this too
15:29<babilen>sret: You have to "export" them and linebreaks wouldn't hurt either :)
15:29<babilen>sret: Good luck. Trust ompaul :)
15:30<ompaul>sret: the file won't be important, what is imporant is that the env has those values when the irc client starts <start troll> btw you should have started with irssi </end troll>
15:30<ballison>if i run "cvs checkout app1" do I make a lock on ALL subdirs under app1?
15:30<ballison>i don't want to lock all the directories. I think i just locked them... which "cvs checkout app1" how do i undo that? cvs ci app1 ?
15:30<babilen>ompaul: He wants to try epic and uses irssi now. He will be enlightened soon :)
15:30<sret>babilen: if you see the line there it says export?
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15:31<babilen>sret: Ah, right. I overlooked that. The "epic" in the end looks wrong.
15:31<ompaul>sret: do it this way close your current editor
15:31<sret>yeah i removed epic
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15:32<ompaul>sret: grep -v \# .profile > .bash_profile << then gedit or whatever you want .bash_profile save finish
15:32*ompaul gone
15:32*sret scrtches his head
15:33<sret>whats that supposed todo? the first line with grep?
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15:34<bartm>sret, it's supposed to extract (copy) lines from .profile and write them to .bash_profile
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15:35<babilen>sret: -- and take a look at the bash_profile I've pasted earlier. You should include it at the top to make sure that your .bashrc is actually loaded
15:35<sret>why would we copy them to .bash_profile?
15:36<sret>ohhh babilen its gotta be like that? i just pasted the exact thing and changed server, nick
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15:38<sneakers>On this page for example: what do the contents of the brackets [...] indicate? Which bracket stands for i386 or just regular 32-bit x86?
15:38<sret>babilen: the one you pasted earlier was .profile
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15:39<ballison>is anyone here good with cvs? i'm still working on this cvs checkout problem where everything (all the images and crap) get copied over to your home directory when you do a "chvs checkout app1"
15:39<ballison>"cvs checkout app1"
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15:40<ballison>and I want to exclude that directory but don't know how.
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15:43<sneakers> what do the contents of the brackets mean?
15:43<sneakers>[m68k] etc
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15:44<bartm>sneakers, dependencies are only for the listed archs
15:44<ompaul>sret: basically put the export stuff in your .bashrc and stop wondering about how to decapitate your machine ;-)
15:44<sneakers>bartm, so which one is i386? I don't see that.
15:44<babilen>sret: no, i pasted both. See sret, this is a bit more involved and also a matter of style. You have to learn a bit about startup files (read "man bash") and bash scripting (to understand the conditional inclusion of additional files). I don't have enough time right now to explain all this. I would actually do the following: Use in your .bashrc, create ~/.bash_env, paste the "export" things in there (my last page) ...
15:45<babilen>... leave it at that. If you want a ~/.bash_profile use the one from
15:45<babilen>ompaul: Or listen to ompaul which is a simpler (and in *my* opinion less elegant solution)
15:45<ompaul>babilen: correct :)
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15:46<sret>i used 104343
15:46<babilen>sret: ^^^^
15:46<sret>i have a .bash_profile with all that like yours 104343
15:47<sret>what i dont get is the other post
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15:47<ompaul>Guest4066: stop
15:48<sret>ompaul: so basically just put the stuff i intended to put in .bash_profile. put it in .bashrc?
15:48<Guest4066>ompaul I am a member, please check
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15:48<bartm>sret, for the difference between .bash_profile and .bashrc see "man bash"
15:48<ompaul>sret: what bartm said
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15:50<sret>i see the difference
15:50<sret>but ompaul said put the export stuff in it
15:50<sneakers>bartm, But why is it that none of the listed dependencies are i386?
15:50<sret>totally friggin lost now
15:50<ompaul>sret: no I said put export stuff in .bashrc
15:50<ompaul>sret: do the first thing I said and you will be fine
15:51<ompaul>sret: you do know what you really should have is a client who looks in its own .$clientrc
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15:51<ompaul>sret: an irc client should be self sufficent ime, not request all sorts of system changes
15:52<sneakers>bartm, like the dependency gamin for example shows [hurd-i386, m68k] what does that mean?
15:52<ompaul>sret: and given you are in gnome (we think we know this from gedit) you might consider getting xchat and working with that else irssi
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15:52<ballison>i created a .cvsignore in my home directory and put in it the patterns I want cvs to ignore when i'm checking out. BUT when i did a cvs co it still pulled all the files (example: *.pdf).
15:53<ballison>how do i get cvs to acknowledge the .cvsignore file?
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15:53<zamolxes_>hello. I use debian squeeze on a few production servers because some of my special needs, but they were all upgraded from lenny. Question: is the debian squeeze installer (from ) safe to use for a production server right now?
15:53<zamolxes_>so I dont' install lenny then full-upgrade to squeeze
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15:55<bartm>zamolxes_, the debian squeeze installer is still in testing, not stable
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15:56<zamolxes_>bartm: i know, of course. Just needed some subjective oppinion, based on your experience with it :)
15:56<ompaul>ballison: As cvsnt traverses through your directories, the contents of any .cvsignore will be appended to the list. The patterns found in .cvsignore are only valid for the directory that contains them, not for any sub-directories. (or so one of the faqs says)
15:56<bartm>zamolxes_, for production servers I suggest to stick with stable
15:57<zamolxes_>bartm: well yes, but the thing I run consists mostly of perl stuff available in squeeze (that I would just backport/repackage) and postrgresql 9 ..
15:57<zamolxes_>bartm: I don't know if it's worth all the effort just to have the base system lenny
15:58<ompaul>zamolxes_: ehh, if they are squeeze why would the installer be of interest, you can't downgrade if that is what you are asking.
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15:59<zamolxes_>ompaul: oh, because I needed to setup a few servers tomorrow, and just wondered if I shuold use my lenny cd or download the squeeze installer right now :)
15:59<ompaul>zamolxes_: and mixing and matching like that is a nice way to break everything
15:59<ompaul>zamolxes_: ahh, I've squeeze running, as long as you check before you du you should be find
15:59<ompaul>there is always the chance etc ...
16:00<zamolxes_>cool, thanks. don't know what alternatives I have (re: the mix/match remark)
16:00<ompaul>zamolxes_: none :)
16:00<zamolxes_>I mean I don't use Pg 9 just because it's fashionable, i really use the replication features
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16:02<ompaul>zamolxes_: if you have "funny hardware" which requires non free firmware (perhaps network drivers) you could download and have on a stick or cd or whatever the firmware-linux-nonfree and have it on media in case a box say Meh!
16:03<sret>why is it i get a duplicate .bashrc~ and .bashrc
16:03<bartm>sret, result of editing
16:03<ompaul>sret: ask your editor :)
16:03<zamolxes_>i shuold be fine, I have lenny running on this with the default kernel
16:03<zamolxes_>s/this/hardware like this/
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16:03<ompaul>zamolxes_: debian has changed the firmware layout and firmware is now in non-free
16:04<sret>.bashrc is the one i edited
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16:04<sret>.bashrc~ is the one that looks not to be edited
16:04<zamolxes_>oh. good to know. thanks. okay
16:04<ballison>i ran cvs under an strace to see if it was reading my .cvsignore and I see it is reading the file, but i don't see it APPLYING the ignore to the file names.
16:04<bartm>sret, once you're done editing you can safely delete .bashrc~
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16:04<ompaul>sret: gedit is creating backup files of the file you edit first
16:05<ompaul>sret: you need to learn some vi if only so you can actually deal with system configs
16:05<sret>ok the stuff still doesnt work
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16:05<ompaul>sret: did you restart the client?
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16:06<sret>disconnected it, exited, logged back on and its not picking up the set env value
16:06<ballison>i'm giving up. .cvsignore in your home directory does NOTHING.
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16:07<sret>in bashrc at the very last line after "fi" i pasted
16:07<sret>babilien helped me with that file
16:07<ompaul>ballison: it has to be in every directory and sub directory
16:07<sret>pasted it exactly as it is and saved the file, unles there's something else i need to add there?
16:08<ompaul>sret: put those lines in your .profile
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16:08<sret>so it has to be in .profile and .bashrc?
16:09*ompaul head slaps
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16:09<ompaul>only bashrc
16:09<sret>it is in .bashrc only now
16:09<sret>you said to put it in .profile..
16:10<bartm>sret, the difference between those files (.profile, .bashrc, ...) is explained in "man bash"
16:10*ompaul walks away
16:10<ompaul>sret: sorry I have gotten confused with what I told you
16:11<sret>i have the export file in bashrc now
16:11<sret>and just that and it doesnt work though
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16:11<ompaul>sret: hang on a minute
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16:15<ompaul>sret: what do you get epic4 -v
16:15<sret>ah i had to do source ~/.bashrc
16:15<sret>and then it picked it up
16:16<ompaul>you can also source .profile
16:16<sret>yeah thanks ompaul
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16:16<ompaul>I should have copped that
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16:16<sret>yeah thanks
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16:18<sret>getting a port error though
16:18<ballison>anyone here know why cvs would READ the ~/.cvsignore file but then not APPLY the cvs ignore contents?
16:18<sret>could be an epic issue
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16:20<ompaul>sret: I could install epic4 by typing apt-get install epic4
16:20<sret>thats what i did
16:20<sret>i used synaptic
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16:20<babilen>ompaul: (we taught sret to use aptitude)
16:20<sret>hehe babilen
16:20<ompaul>babilen: woops
16:20<sneakers>How do I start gvfs on debian squeeze?
16:20<sret>yeah aptotide works better
16:20<sret>says dpkg
16:20<sret>sometimes apt-get wont
16:20<ompaul>sret: you should use the command line
16:21<sret>ompaul: yeah trying to
16:21<adeyeye>sorry everyone
16:21<babilen>why do you apologise?
16:22<bartm>sign of weakness, says Gibbs :)
16:22<adeyeye>i am considering taking a certification exam, but i am having problem with one to go for
16:22<adeyeye>i like to take cwna
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16:22<adeyeye>but a friend said ccna is better
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16:23<ballison>still not working. i followed the examples i found online for setting up a .cvsignore in my home directory. Add the "*.pdf" to the file and then did a cvs co app1 and I STILL see all the .pdf files inside the app1 modules.
16:23<ballison>what gives?
16:23<adeyeye>Please which is better
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16:24<ompaul>adeyeye: obviously LPI
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16:25<ballison>does anyone here know how to make cvsignore work?
16:26<ompaul>ballison: have you seen what I typed twice?
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16:27<sret>got it working
16:27<sret>thanks ompaul , babilen
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16:27<ompaul>sret: now to add to that
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16:28<bartm>ompaul, isn't that ?
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16:28<sret>yeah added
16:28<sret>well modifying bashrc
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16:28<ompaul>bartm: just testing and woops sret see the mistake up there
16:29<sret>yeah i ignored the mistake, i have it as .org here
16:30<sret>whats the big difference though
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16:30<sret>epic is pretty much like irssi in the appearance and stuff
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16:31<sret>i take that back, it isnt exactly great
16:32<sneakers>What is the proper way to start gvfs on debian squeeze? Thanks.
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16:39<ompaul>sneakers: I think your question has something to do with your understanding
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16:42<ballison>ompaul: .cvsignore in the directories is NOT the same at !~/.cvsignore
16:42<ballison>ompaul: I'm talking about ~/.cvsignore
16:42<sneakers>ompaul, gnomeVFS = gvfs?
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16:42<ballison>which cvs reads, but does NOT apply for some reason.
16:42<ompaul>sneakers: in my mind at least
16:43<sneakers>ompaul, They are different packages though.
16:43<bluenemo>when i do: "ssh bluenemo@ -L 2000: -N" on .1.69 and then "ssh -p 25 localhost" on .1.60 i get connection refused. what am i doing wrong?
16:43<babilen>sneakers: No it is not. GnomeVFS has been obsoleted by gvfs
16:44<sneakers>babilen, What is the proper way to get gvfs running on my Debian Squeeze system? Thank you.
16:44<ompaul>bluenemo: you have sshd installed on both?
16:44<retrospectacus>bluenemo: should be ssh -p2000
16:45<retrospectacus>bluenemo: however port 25 is smtp, you usually can't ssh to it
16:45<bluenemo>ah ok i'm testing
16:45<jthill>ballison: there are books on administering CVS. You can google cvs .cvsignore. I'm betting there's (a) something hinky in yours or (b) an overriding .cvsignore in the repo.
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16:46<bluenemo>hm doesnt works with 25 as well not with 3000.. openssh-server is installed on both machines
16:46<sneakers>babilen, I am expecting something like this:
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16:47<retrospectacus>bluenemo: 25 is incorrect. what are you trying to do?
16:47<babilen>sneakers: I would start by installing "gvfs" and reading documentation on "gvfsd" and the README.gz and/or README.Debian.gz and whatever
16:47<sneakers>babilen, it is already installed.
16:47<sneakers>babilen, There is no man gvfsd
16:48<bluenemo>retrospectacus, i exchanged port 25 for 3000 and get the same error. i try to tunnel ssh, opening a tunnel on .1.69 to .1.60 and then ssh -p 3000 localhost back on 60 to get back to 69..
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16:48<retrospectacus>bluenemo: ssh works on port 22 not 25 and you have 2000 but are saying 3000
16:49<babilen>sneakers: "man gvfs-mount" ? What are you trying to accomplish?
16:49<babilen>sneakers: uh, undocumented :-þ
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16:50<retrospectacus>bluenemo: "ssh -L2000:localhost:22 user@host" then "ssh -p2000 localhost user@host" but that is really pointless.
16:50<bluenemo>ah you are right sorry.. ok agian, i do on 69: "ssh bluenemo@ -L 2000: -N" and this works so far, on both machines ps aux shows the connection.. however, when i "ssh -p 3000 localhost" on 60 i get connection refused..
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16:50<retrospectacus>bluenemo: why the hell would 3000 work?? You put 2000
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16:50<sneakers>babilen, I will give you the answer. I have a simple openbox window manager with fbpanel. I launch pcmafm as a stand-alone file manager (no LXDE environment). I want pcmanfm to show partitions from internal disks on the side bar (currently it does not). I am guessing that I need gvfs to be properly started on my system.
16:51<retrospectacus>bluenemo: in any case the excercise is pointless as you can just ssh to 60 regardless
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16:51<babilen>sneakers: Ok, thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately I don't have the answer right now and would have to start digging as well.
16:52<bluenemo>retrospectacus, yeah i know i just want to play with the tunnel as i'll need it later to get to a machine behind a router.
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16:52<retrospectacus>bluenemo: you could do what you said and then ssh -p2000 localhost but you will probably still get refused as nothing is listening on port 3000 on 60
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16:53<bluenemo>retrospectacus, hm ok i'm a little confused.. how then do i open a tunnel from 69 to 60, and get back through that tunnel vom 60 to 69 the right way?
16:53<bluenemo>sorry for being a noob.. :(
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16:54<retrospectacus>bluenemo: there is no "right way" to do that - what you described is pointless, you're already on 69
16:54<ompaul>sneakers: I still don't have an answer for you but you could mess about with aptitude search gvfs will tell you the likely suspects
16:54<retrospectacus>bluenemo: I will explain an example
16:55<bluenemo>i know its pointless in my lan, but i want to try it out to know how to get it to work to later reach a machine behind a router over the inet.
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16:55<retrospectacus>bluenemo: I'm at work. I do: ssh user@myhomeIP -L2000:
16:55<retrospectacus>I just ssh'd onto my router at home.
16:55<ompaul>bluenemo: after retrospectacus is finished I suggest you have a read of this
16:55<retrospectacus>now, I do: ssh -p2000 user@localhost
16:56<retrospectacus>bluenemo: now I have just ssh'd onto my home workstation, which is at on my home network. Ta-da!
16:57<bluenemo>ah ok i c.. i'll try out this and read what ompaul has linked. thank you both!
16:57<ballison>ompaul: did you read what i said about .cvsignore having nothing to do with the ~/.cvsignore (which is what I'm talkig about ) ?
16:57<sneakers>ompaul, Do I need gvfs-bin ?
16:57<ballison>seems cvs does not do anything with the contents of ~/.cvsignore even though it does read it in.
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16:58<ompaul>ballison: I saw it, I have no comment to make I found that note in a faq, I'd say that jthill had the answer there
16:59<retrospectacus>bluenemo: so the -L A:B:C syntax means to ssh "once connected, listen on A on localhost, passing all data received there through this ssh connection to port C on machine B, relative to the remote host".
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17:00<retrospectacus>not sure if that is the greatest explanation... read what ompaul put ;)
17:00<bluenemo>retrospectacus, ok thats a good explaination, thank you
17:00<bluenemo>i'm just there :)
17:00<ompaul>now I'll be afk for a while
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17:37<ompaul>sneakers: I don't know, did you check this:
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17:37<ompaul>sneakers: I use scp and nfs so I don't need anything else
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17:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, e.g. rsync -avz --partial /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per , see also <rsnapshot>. #rsync on
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17:51<retrospectacus>who puts home/ in /usr/local ??
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17:53<ompaul>retrospectacus: that is a factoid in need of an edit -- but I wouldn't if someone does that command at least they can either fix / debug the problem, if you make it "sane" someone could break a very specific kernel ;-)
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17:53<jthill>only thing I can think of is that's put it on a particular system's local disk not your network-mounted home
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18:45<sneakers>I'm trying to build libfm and I get this error: warning: macro `AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT' not found in library
18:46<sneakers> error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT
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18:46<sneakers>Am I missing a package? I have gettext and gettext-base installed. How do I fix the above error?
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18:50<retrospectacus>,versions libfm0
18:50<judd>Package libfm0 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.12-1; sid: 0.1.14-2
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18:57<sneakers>nevermind I found it. It was the glib-dev package.
18:57<babilen>sneakers: Why don't you backports libfm0? -- /msg dpkg ssb
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19:25<lukasoft>Hello, I have a few ntfs partitions I put in etc\fstab and I had them mounted as read only. Now I would like to be able to write to them, but only if I am myself or su. I'm assuming thats not too difficult?
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19:26<retrospectacus>!user accessible ntfs
19:26<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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19:28<retrospectacus>lukasoft: pretty sure that is still "the way"
19:28<lukasoft>Thank you. So it's the same with fat32. :( oh well.
19:30<bengarrr>do any of you know of a primer i can look at for mono 2.4
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19:32<bengarrr>um so anyone know how to use mono 2.4
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19:33<dpkg>[mono] infectious mononucleosis ("glandular fever", "kissing disease"), or a community initiative to develop an open source, cross-platform version of the Microsoft .NET development framework. #debian-mono on
19:33<retrospectacus>never tried the glandular fever myself
19:34<bengarrr>thanx alot
19:34<retrospectacus>that helped? 0.O
19:35<bengarrr>umm yah
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19:35<bengarrr>i sort of
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19:36<jaimesilva>hello everyone
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19:38<jaimesilva>I got a question: How can I avoid regular users to shutdown the system
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19:39<jaimesilva>I also need to disable the sleep keyboard key and the shutdown when the power key is pressed
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19:40<babilen>jaimesilva: Make sure they are not a member of the "powerdev" group, don't give them sudo or tell them the root password. Also prevent them from accessing the machine physically ...
19:41<jaimesilva>thanks babilen, altough the avoid physical access is an issue around here therefore I need to disable the sleep key and the power key
19:41<retrospectacus>the keys you should be able to disable in power management
19:41<retrospectacus>hmm nope
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19:42<jaimesilva>my kid just pressed the sleep key while in gdm and the machine went to sleep
19:42<retrospectacus>there is options but no "disable" :(
19:42<retrospectacus>I think removing the user from the powerdev group might do it all :)
19:43<retrospectacus>or my personal favourite solution, remove the key from the keyboard physically
19:45*dvs removes the Enter key from retrospectacus' computer
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19:46*retrospectacus craftily removes the "Windows" key and puts it where Enter was
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19:47<timon>retrospectacus: there should be no trace eft of it then, though. Had a keyboard with missing "k" once and it was awful typing "k" with it ;)
19:47<jaimesilva>and how can I disable power management in gdm?
19:48<timon>what about removing the sleep/shutdown keys from the x(keyboard).config? If it is not translated to the 'right' code, there should not be much happening?
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19:49<timon>just thinking out loud, I should have gone to bed right after coming home from work 3 hours ago
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19:51<jaimesilva>how can I configure gdm from lxde? what should I install?
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19:52<jaimesilva>oh, just run gdmsetup, my bad
19:53<timon>alright, I really am leaving now
19:53<timon>good luck getting your machine set up :)
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20:19<jaimesilva>how do I disable the sleep key globally
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20:21<mib_zr56k1>Hi, I'm installing Debian with encrypted LVM, it now says "Erasing data on IDE slave, partition #2" and it's taking ages. Is it scrambling the disk to prevent attacks? Does this normally take ages?
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21:21<jaimesilva>ok, in case someone is following: to disable the sleep key and every change for the system to go into sleep mode uninstall all the power management packages, especially acpi*
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21:24<abrotman>why not just alter the script to not do anytihnkg?
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21:26<jaimesilva>abrotman: if you r talking to me, I don't want the system to go into sleep or hibernation so to remove every change of it I just removed all the power management packages
21:26<abrotman>that affects stuff besides sleep ..
21:26<abrotman>but hey .. why not use a jackhammer on a nail
21:27<jaimesilva>but to be more helpfull I found that in /etc/default/acpi-support you can disable the actions you want
21:27*jester45 was going to say the same thing
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21:34<jaimesilva>btw, up there what I meant was chance not change :P
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21:50<OddTod>hello all I am running debian as my server. I am connecting to it iwth vnc and am initiating the window with vncserver :# . when i connect to this window session i get only a terminal window. I have tried installing LDXE and it's site says it doesn't require setup for GDM(my prefered window manager) but when I connect it still is just the terminal window
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21:52<jordanm>OddTod: doesn't sound like a server
21:53<OddTod>jordanm: what do you mean?
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21:59<jester45>servers can have X on them... OddTod is this server a virtual machine?
22:02<OddTod>jester45: yeah I have X on the machine but no monitor. If I log into the machine locally I can access VNC that way and have a windows manager. If i just initiate a VNC session using ssh with vncserver :0 then connect to the machine via VNC on display :0 I only get a terminal window.
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22:03<jaimesilva>OddTod: configure your vncserver to startup the session you want
22:04<OddTod>jaimesilva: so i don't need a window manager like LXDE?
22:04<jaimesilva>OddTod: if you want lxde then make it run lxsession
22:04<jaimesilva>OddTod: of course, you must install the desktop you want
22:05<jaimesilva>OddTod: then, configure vncserver to run the session, I know it can be done, have done it but I don't remember which file in your user home is where you put the commands you want when it starts
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22:07<jaimesilva>also I seem to remember that vncserver runs the system's default session, so if you install lxde then it will become the default session manager
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22:08<jordanm>the x-session-manager alternative
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22:09<OddTod>jaimesila: yeah I belive vnc does run the default session in this case there is no default session because no one has logged into that window.
22:10<jordanm>OddTod: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
22:11<jaimesilva>actually the default session, if you haven't installed any desktop environment, is just an xterm. That's what you're getting
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22:23<twb>Is there a de facto convention for fastcgi port assignment?
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22:40<glow_wolf>How do i recover my root password?
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22:41<twb>glow_wolf: passwords can't be recovered; they CAN be reset.
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22:41<mattcen>OddTod: Try creating a ~/.vnc/xstartup that contains something like "#!/bin/sh\nlxsession" (with a proper newline of course)
22:42<dvs>,forgot root password
22:42<dvs>!forgot root password
22:42<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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22:43<glow_wolf>Ok thanks
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22:55<ttick>! evms_activate
22:56<ttick>Looking for advice on how to proceed. After last apt-get update I'm getting "cryptsetup: evms_activate is not available" on boot. Suggestion on where to start fixing this?
22:57<twb>Isn't EVMS the boring alternative to LVM that IBM had?
22:57<twb>The one that lost?
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22:57<ttick>I have LVM volumes, I think.
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22:57<ttick>other than whole-disk encryption from the debian setup (etch upgraded to testing), I don't have anything special.
22:58<ttick>first I've heard of EVMS is thsi error message.
22:58<twb>dunno man
22:59<ttick>Right now I've been dropped to a BusyBox shell.
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23:02<twb>Yes, because your root filesystem can't be found
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23:14<ttick>unfortunately, lvmscan/pvscan doesn't return anything either.
23:14<ttick>I'm not really familiar with this part of linux.
23:16<jordanm>I don't think they normally output
23:16<jordanm>vgscan; vgdisplay
23:17<ttick>I do get a ". . . ALERT! /dev/dis/by-uuid/[long guid] does not exist.
23:17<ttick>the idea of my root partition vanishing is unsettling. It can't have gone too far since /boot is on the same disk.
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23:18<ttick>vgscan/display yield: "No volume groups found"
23:19<jordanm>then you don't have lvm
23:19<ttick>I'm pretty sure I have lvm(2) -- though maybe it's after the crypto phase?
23:20<jordanm>oh, ecryption
23:20<ttick>yeah :/
23:20<ttick>everything except /boot is encrypted.
23:20<jordanm>too much hassle and too easy to end up with non-booting system for little gain. I never mess with it
23:21<ttick>unfortunately, it's necessary for my work.
23:22<jordanm>I bet a booting machine is also necessary and aruably more important :)
23:22<ttick>what's the command to unlock the crypto fs?
23:22<jordanm>no clue
23:22<twb>ttick: maybe you should've thought of that before crypting your rootfs
23:22<jordanm>yeah, likely only /home needed encryption
23:23<twb>jordanm: arguably swap and /tmp, for example, should also be encrypted
23:23<twb>But doing so without understanding how to recover the system is Bad Juju
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23:25<ttick>THat's all very nice advice. However, it hardly helps my current situation. Got anything for that?
23:26<twb>I'm not familiar with it, either
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23:27<jordanm>ttick: that would probably leave you to google and the debian-user list
23:28<twb>Or wait patiently
23:29<ttick>I've been trolling google. Just haven't found a good approach vector yet. Was hoping for a hint on where to start. I'll check back here tomorrow. Maybe fire-up the debian-user list.
23:29<ttick>thanks guys.
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23:35<twb>ttick: trawling
23:36<psycho>anyone know a good site or ebook on installing tar.gz
23:36<ttick>twb: lol, yes. It's late.
23:36<twb>Or "grovelling"
23:36<Minttoann>i have a question: i'm in the middle of installing debian using a archive mirror. how can i tell if i'm even accessing the internet?
23:36<twb>psycho: yes: "DON'T."
23:36<twb>Minttoann: unplug its network cable
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23:37<twb>Minttoann: if you unplug it and it stops, then it must be accessing the internet
23:37<gpm>psycho: there's tons if you google
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23:39<Minttoann>ah, i've tried a couple mirrors already, it just says unavailable or no valid release file
23:40<dvs>Minttoann: wireless installs rarely work.
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23:42<twb>Oh, right. d-i wifi works fine (if you have a supported NIC), but it doesn't contain wpasupplicant -- so no WPA
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23:51<gpm>Minttoann: why not try wired?
23:53<Minttoann>no desktop
23:53<Minttoann>(yay me)
23:53<gpm>most laptops have an ethernet port
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23:55<Minttoann>mm true
23:55<cathy>k , I need some help fixing the resolution in my xorg.conf, as it's showing the max as 800x600 using the vesa driver and I know this intel video chip on this computer is capable of higher resolutions
23:56<cathy>it's driving me up the wall at the moment, as I can't see the function buttons to restore my evolution backup file
23:57<gpm>cathy: most of the time X autodetects, have you tried with an empty xorg?
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23:58<cathy>no, i haven't, and this new debian installation didn't do the autodetect properly, cuz x wouldn't load at all until I put in the vesa driver was a last ditch effort
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23:58<prem>cathy, which kernel you are using
23:59<cathy>gpm: oh, hold on, i did put the vesa driver in, and then commented it out
23:59<cathy>prem: how do i detect that again?
23:59<gpm>uname -r
23:59<prem>cathy, "uname -r" interminal
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