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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-01-12

---Logopened Wed Jan 12 00:00:11 2011
---Daychanged Wed Jan 12 2011
00:00<cathy>almost had it right...forgot the quotes
00:00<gpm>lol no quotes
00:00<dpkg>/quit you fool!
00:00<cathy> i mean i use "`" instead of the hyphen before the "r"
00:01<gpm>you can copy/paste what i typed directly into the terminal
00:01<Minttoann>sweeet! it works (so far) :D
00:01<gpm>Minttoann: wired works you mean?
00:02<gpm>Minttoann: oh yeah. be sure to check out after install to get yer wifi goin
00:03<gpm>i've never ever had a problem with a wired install
00:03<gpm>or at least, not with internet
00:03<Minttoann>mm ok
00:03<gpm>but wireless is still a little wonky
00:03<gpm>especially for installation
00:03<gpm>some day...
00:03<dvs>a little?
00:03<cathy>and how do I get a readout of my vga controller? lspci...??
00:04<gpm>you want to view attached displays?
00:05<cathy>no, i want to get the right driver working, as I know the driver for this intel video chip is capable of higher than 800x600 resolution
00:05<cathy>until i can get a higher resolution I won't be able to finish configuring this new debian installation
00:05<gpm>right right
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00:07<cathy>so the lspci command line to determine the correct vga controller is...?
00:07<gpm>i can tell you googling for xorg.conf resolution is helpful
00:08<sney>lspci |grep -i vga
00:08<gpm>lspci lists things attached to pci...i dunno if your graphics card is pci, pci express, onboard
00:08<gpm>does onboard video show up in lspci?
00:08<sney>gpm: pretty much every graphics adapter in existence is on the pci bus one way or another
00:09<gpm>sney: good to know.
00:09<cathy>Intel Corporation 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC) (rev 04)
00:09<gpm>anyway, to change the resolution you need to add/update the modes line in your display section
00:09<sney>some of the newer intel graphics chips aren't working properly in squeeze... but the 815G should be fine
00:10<cathy>this is a very old, very treasured pIII i have in my living room 'cuz it's so quiet...usually just watch movies through it and the projector, but I've recently ditched ubuntu, and my past use of this pc means that I know it goes higher than 800x600
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00:11<gpm>it's weird that it didn't autodetect...i've not had to use xorg.conf in a long time.
00:11<sney>what happens if you put "intel" in xorg.conf instead of "vesa"?
00:12<cathy>gpm: well, it didn't, so how do I add/update the modes line in my display section?...oh, perhaps the "intel" will be a faster route
00:12<cathy>and by "display section" do you mean the monitor section or the screen section?
00:12<sney>whichever one is at the bottom
00:13<gpm>i'll paste my screen section
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00:14<cathy>screen is at the bottom of the xorg.conf
00:14<gpm>oh sorry
00:14<gpm>display is a subsection of screen
00:15<cathy>sney: just "intel" and not "intel ???"
00:15<sney>cathy: the driver is called "intel"
00:15<cathy>well, that's probably the fastest solution, instead of fussing with modelines, so brb
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00:16<gpm>lol speed queen
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01:06<Guest4114>I am looking for a grub2 menu entry example to edit in to grub.cfg to boot debian live from a usb stick. Where should I look?
01:08<kop>Guest4114: I'd think the debian-live docs would have that. But then they probably are expecting you to set the bios to boot off the stick. Still, the config on the stick should have that line.
01:08<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on A preview of the squeeze live image is at
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01:12<trisquel>holas chicos/as alguien me podria sacar de una duda es que tengo algunas preguntitas acerca de como instalar linux
01:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:22<john>hey, can somebody give me a hand? I'm trying to set up a samba share to allow guest access
01:23<gpm>john: go on...
01:23<gpm>Minttoann: all done with installation?
01:23<john>but the "guest access (for people without user accounts)" option is greyed out
01:24<john>I'm using a debian install built up from the netinst cd
01:25<Minttoann>ah, its still going
01:25<john>I'm not sure why I can't check "Guest account (...)"
01:26<Minttoann>my internet connection isn't too great, 3 MB down at best
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01:26<john>in the nautilus "Sharing Options" dialog
01:26<twb>3MB/s down is great.
01:27<gpm>john: have you tried connecting to the server from a windows machine?
01:27<twb>In .au we get 1MB/s down from the ISP, and maybe 0.2MB/s down from the internet at large.
01:27<gpm>if it poops out after 3mb though, that sucks
01:27<john>I'm trying to connect to it from my original xbox with xbmc
01:27<john>I get an "enter password" prompt
01:28<john>I've tried my login user/pass, but that doesn't work
01:28<gpm>john: you need to set a username/pass with smbpassword
01:28<john>how would I go about setting up a share with guest access, though?
01:28<gpm>i've always had trouble.
01:29<gpm>but it's possible
01:29<john>so that I don't need a user/pass for read-only access from the xbox
01:29<gpm>i haven't figured it out yet sorry.
01:29<gpm>i've tried starting with fresh smb.conf even
01:29<gpm>but no luck.
01:29<gpm>and i find the documentation slightly bewildering.
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01:30<john>I remember before I switched from lenny to sid it worked, then I hadn't had a use for it in a while, so I didn't notice it was missing after I moved to sid
01:31<john>but when I tried to get everything set back up, I had to go through hoops just getting access to users and groups and other tools
01:31<gpm>yeah samba can definitely be a major pain
01:32<john>I had to reinstall gnome-system-tools and system-tools-backend, and went ahead and reinstalled samba for good measure
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01:36<john>well, if nothing else, I should be able to set the password now at least
01:36<john>thanks for the help =)
01:37<john>if I don't get it all sorted out, I'm sure I'll be back =P
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03:30<quiritius>people, please check this on squeeze: trying to install another kernel results in a /boot/vmlinuz-(name) containing only the following text: "export CC=4.3 as recommended..." the kernel, naturally, does not load
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03:37<Minttoann>o.o how can an OS function without a kernel?
03:38<zem>you rename it to something else... so you don't have kernel
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03:51<quiritius>Minttoann: if you read with some attention, you notice, it is another kernel, installed along side the working kernel. actually, it means that something is seriously broken. i try to find out, it is squeeze or my system alone.
03:52<zem>you should be a bit more precise, what kernel, how do you install it...
03:53<Minttoann>ah, i was a windows noob until last night, all i did outside was install different ubuntu's for my sister (it likes me)
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03:57<quiritius>zem: the main kernel is 2.6.32-5-686, the second kernel is 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem.
03:57<zem>i'll try
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04:00<zem>quiritius: i can install bigmem kernel without any problems
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04:02<quiritius>zem: please check the file /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-686-bigmem. is it 'big' binary or a small text file with only one line?
04:03<zem>less /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem
04:03<zem>"/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem" may be a binary file. See it anyway?
04:03<zem>and yes, it's a binary
04:04<quiritius>then, it is ok. i wonder what is wrong on my system? here the file contains only this line "export CC=4.3 as recommended..."
04:05<zem>try a differen repository?
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04:06<zem>or try diferent methor, apt, aptitude, synaptic (not that i know how different the realy are)
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04:06<quiritius>it is all the way apt-get. aptitude and synaptics are shells.
04:12<Arrowmaster>not entirely true
04:13<twb>They're UIs over the underlying apt libraries.
04:13<Arrowmaster>but no there shouldnt be a difference in the results from which one you use
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04:19<Minttoann>thank you guys for all your help! installation was a success :D
04:19<Minttoann>good night :)
04:19<twb>Arrowmaster: SHOULDN'T being the operative word :P
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04:21<Arrowmaster>well yes i can think of a few minor behavior quirks but yeah they shouldnt ever have different results from installing a package
04:22<Arrowmaster>the same package, all the behavior quirks are mostly about selecting which package to install
04:23<twb>Like aptitude throwing away markauto marks randomly on stupid lucid systems :-/
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04:31<Arrowmaster>well ive got no clue on that one since i dont touch ubuntu
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04:34<twb>Oh, it's an issue that was fixed since, in Debian
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04:41<ivan>algun/a español/a?
04:42<ivan>alguien que hable español?
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04:46<home-alone>hi . VLC does not play flv format videos . how to fix that
04:46<Torsten_W>we don't know
04:47<Torsten_W>here™ it doesa
04:47<twb>VLC is a container; you probably need a decoder for the audio or video stream WITHIN a particular foo.flv
04:47<twb>Sorry, s/^VLC/flv/
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04:49<home-alone>no vlc is playing all other files well only the problem is with flv . how can I update it . I think I am using some old versions
04:51<Arrowmaster>aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
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04:55<home-alone>how stable is "software center" for Debian
04:56<Arrowmaster>dont even know what that is
04:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:57<Arrowmaster>was going to say it sounded like a ubuntu thing
04:57<ichdasich>Arrowmaster: installable in debian, too, afaik. but... well... better go and ask in ##ubuntu
04:58<home-alone>no as far as I know there is software center for Debian too
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04:59<ichdasich>home-alone: steps to get an awnser: install, test, know. Sorry, but i honestly doubt that a lot of people in here use that software. i'd rather reconment using apt(itude) directly. If a gui is strictly neccesarry, have a glimpse at synaptic.
05:00<Arrowmaster>oh hey looks like the gnome metapackage depends on it, yet another reason im happy i dont have that metapackage installed
05:00<ichdasich>if this is about 'ewww, but my $user can't use that stuff' have a serious look at ubuntu again. using ubuntu is not a bad thing. (waiting for stones)
05:00<ichdasich>anyway. gone.
05:00*Arrowmaster throws stones at ichdasich
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05:01<home-alone>I am fine with CLI . but how can I search apps with CLI
05:02<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>.
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05:04<home-alone>thank you . I am using Debian because I like this super stable OS . and I like this learning curve as well . thank you and take care
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05:10<hever>How can I determine if a cdrom is open/ejected? At least I'm going to handle a cd insert event from the shell somehow and the cd tray will always be opened before this event, so I could check if its still open. The eject status codes doesn't help here...
05:12<twb>hever: udisks?
05:12<hever>dpkg, udisks
05:12<dpkg>hever: are you smoking crack?
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05:15<hever>twb, Sorry I don't get it. Is it perhaps udev?
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05:17<hever>twb, in what debian package is it ?
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05:43<hever>twb ?
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06:13<faheem>hello. my system is on a lvm on top of software raid. i renamed my (test) installation's volume group, and grub promptly broke. it says no such disk, entering rescue mode
06:14<faheem>is the install in the mbr pointing to the boot device? shouldn't it be using a uuid?
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06:16<ompaul>faheem: uuid f
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06:17<ompaul>faheem: uuid changes it is a random number, so a reinstall won't use the same one
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06:21<faheem>ompaul: hmm? i thought the uuid was uniquely assocated with a block device?
06:22<faheem>just to be clear, an install of grub in the mbr has the boot device hardwired, yes?
06:23<ompaul>ah, I'll have to join you in looking that up
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06:23<ompaul>faheem: grub1 or 2
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06:25<faheem>ompaul: grub 2
06:25<faheem>but i think legacy is the same
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06:26<faheem>at least as far as hardwiring the boot device goes
06:26<faheem>ok, back later. take care
06:27<munga>how can I query apt-get to get the list of all package managers in debian ? I'm sure I can do this kind of query using tags, but I'm a bit lost atm ...
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06:33<nadir>munga, you can have a short look here :
06:33<nadir>but, to be honest, i don't get anywhere with axi-cache (axi-cache search --tags)
06:34<nadir>not what you are asking for, but goplay, as a gui-way, is not bad.
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06:39<ompaul>set root=(hd0,2)
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06:43<ompaul>faheem: work with lvscan and a live cd may help you get it back, changing volume names is not something I have ever done
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06:45<munga>thx nadir. I'll play with it ...
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06:50<nadir>if you get it sorted, please post it (like said: i don't understand it)
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06:54<ompaul>faheem: I found what you want in this - -- strongly suggest you read the doc but if not search for Where does the MBR point to? that will give you all the info you want.
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07:11<noe>i am speak spanish
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07:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:13<noe>hello please speak with me
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07:16<padski>I'm trying to run X11 apps from a chroot and failing. I have /dev /proc and /tmp mounted. I even did something bad with xhost. What have I forgotten ?
07:16<vicky> k pasa nenas ???
07:16<lourdes>na akiii
07:16<noe>naaa aki
07:17<locklace>habla ingles o salir, perras
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07:17<noe>tu putaa madreee gilipollasss y sultale a tu madreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
07:18<canaria>no hablo ingles pk no me sale dl puto coño
07:18<noelia_l>jajajajajajja le salee a toass
07:18<locklace>spain is so lame
07:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:18<noe>ke te calles feooo
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07:20<noelia>nos metemos con el ingles
07:20<locklace>!lart spain
07:20*dpkg --purges spain
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07:21<rpetre>omg, they're multiplying
07:21<padski>!ops el trolls
07:21<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: padski complains about: el trolls
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07:21<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:21<mentor>Stop it
07:21<noelia_l>pero k os pasa con el jejjeje y jajajajja?
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07:21<noelia_l>y estood ingless k essssssss
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07:21<padski>thanks Ganneff
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07:21<mentor>One IP
07:22<mentor>Poor effort
07:22<rpetre>classmates, probably
07:22<rositaa> eiiii kmo os vaa la vidaaa??
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07:25<LifeGuard>help for debian?
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07:25<LifeGuard>I do not load boot lorder stands (initramfs)
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07:26<LifeGuard>how to fix problem
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07:27<padski>LifeGuard, the initramfs fails to load ? so you get no enviroment at all ? boot from something else, a CD or a USB Flash
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07:36<padski>I'm trying to run X11 apps from a chroot and failing. I have /dev /proc and /tmp mounted. I even did something bad with xhost (which works outside chroot). What have I missed ? strace of xclock at
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07:38<padski>ah! got it. wrong screen notation. sorry!
07:38<locklace>padski: "0" isn't a valid x display
07:39<padski>yeah, took me ages to get there. next time I'll include an error message sooner!
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08:20<jacks_lt>my cdrom doesn't get mounted in debian, on ubuntu is does without a problem
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08:22<padski> jacks_lt, are you trying to mount it by hand, or wanting an automounter to do it ?
08:22<jacks_lt>padski: automounter, but by hand is an option to
08:23<jacks_lt>padski: but dunno how to to it by hand
08:23<dpkg>To mount a cdrom from console, do mount /media/cdrom; also ask me about <automount>. Tell apt about your CD sources using <apt-cdrom>.
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08:26<sret>!seen babilen
08:26<dpkg>babilen <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 46m 8s ago, saying: 'jaimesilva: Make sure they are not a member of the "powerdev" group, don't give them sudo or tell them the root password. Also prevent them from accessing the machine physically ...'.
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08:28<sret>how do i leave a msg for babilen and ompaul?
08:28<sret>thorugh dpkg
08:28<sret>is there a way
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08:54<sret>anyone awake
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08:56<sakrayaami>hey everybody
08:57<sakrayaami>i have one question about debian and mozilla products
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08:57<sakrayaami>do you know why debian isn't using mozilla software
08:57<sakrayaami>instead it's using alternatives like iceweasel
08:57<sakrayaami>iceowl (sunbird)
08:58<xav>sakrayaami: it's the same software
08:58<xav>name is different
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08:59<xav>it's because "firefox", "thunderbird" etc. has some right to these names, so they are not completely free
08:59<sakrayaami>i have tried to install some plugins for mozilla
08:59<sakrayaami>on iceweasel
08:59<xav>iceweasel = firefox
08:59<padski>!why iceweasel
08:59<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
08:59<xav>wow, this bot is genius :)
08:59<padski>sakrayaami, which plugins ?
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09:00<sakrayaami>this was a bot :) ?
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09:00<padski>it mainly just repeats factoids
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09:03<sret>iceweasel is nice, didnt know about it till i read it on debian
09:03<sret>friggin genius
09:03<padski>sakrayaami, which plugins ?
09:03<sakrayaami>Fire gestures
09:03<sakrayaami>for example
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09:03<sakrayaami>and i just want to state that Debian is a great OS especially with XFCE
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09:04<sakrayaami>because of this missing plugin im using firefox
09:04<sakrayaami>its not a problem
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09:13<sakrayaami>can you help me with the upgrade?
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09:15<sakrayaami>sorry in reading how to this on my own
09:15<sakrayaami>if i have problems i will ask again here
09:16<kickmule>sakrayaami: Tell your question, maybe someone can help you.
09:16<padski>sakrayaami, are you just a desktop user ? maybe simpler for you to upgrade to squeeze than to start using backports.
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09:18<padski>the bot has instructions, try /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
09:18<sakrayaami>yes im just a desktop user
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09:26<padski>sakrayaami, the main reason for asking that question is that some things are unavoidably broken in the upgrade from version to version (suprisingly little actually), but it is more of a worry for a server, because the impact may be higher! (a server upgrade is better planned and executed by someone who is already familiar with all this :-)
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09:27<tuxcrafter>why is there no amd64 package for
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09:28<sakrayaami>the upgrade is not a problem for me because im using debian on virtual machine and i can turn back to the previous state at any time
09:29<sakrayaami>thank you for the help i will consider an upgrade to squeeze :)
09:31<padski>sakrayaami, you are welcome :-)
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09:32<padski>tuxcrafter, I found this
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09:33<Silicium01>How much RAM will a 32 bit debian use?
09:33<tuxcrafter>padski: found the same
09:33<tuxcrafter>padski: i sent a mail to the backport list for a explenation
09:33<Silicium01>I have 2 GB ram now, want to increase to 4 or 8, but I am running an 32 bit version and dont want to reinstall
09:34<tuxcrafter>padski: i am kind of screwed now :) i want the new slapd version with the new config system
09:34<alejandrito_>i have Lubuntu with 256mb of ram :8
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09:34<alejandrito_>thats my Lubuntu server
09:35<padski>tuxcrafter, there is a built on amd64 in squeeze, so you could try backporting that by hand, if only to see if it works.
09:35<tuxcrafter>padski: the squeeze version is an other version :(
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09:36<padski>tuxcrafter, yes, but a later version. or you could try building the backports source
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09:38<padski>Silicium01, I think there are PAE extensions
09:38<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x. It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. Ask me about <bigmem>.
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09:39<padski>Silicium01, but I've never had to use them, so I can't tell you any more
09:39<Silicium01>padski, thanks
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09:40<Silicium01>it saiys it ahs cpu overhead, I would not want that, unless its unnoticeable
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09:43<padski>Silicium01, I suspect there also are several other considerations in choosing between i386 and amd64 architectures, but I am not well versed in what they are. #debian-amd64 might be a good place to ask. I doubt whether the pae overhead is very great, but I guess, like all things, it depends :-)
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09:50<sakrayaami>hey its me again
09:50<sakrayaami>just to tell you
09:50<sakrayaami>ive made sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install iceweasel
09:51<sakrayaami>and Iceweasel was upgraded to the latest version
09:51<sakrayaami>and the problem extension is now working
09:51<sakrayaami>i think i will skip to upgrade to squeeze
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09:52<Silicium01>How can I determine what kind of memory I currently have? Like speed, type, brand etc...
09:52<lupine_85>lshw gives you plenty of information
09:52<petemc>dmidecode will show some of that info
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09:55<lupine_85> <- lshw's output
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09:55<lupine_85>this machine is ridiculous
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10:10<developer>somebody used eclipse?
10:10<developer>howto create projects from cmdline?
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10:13<developer>eclipse expert?
10:13<developer>somebody? :)
10:15<cthuluh>developer: ask on #eclipse@freenode
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10:22<testuser>hello i just intalled 2.6.26-2-vserver-686 but now if i enter to the vserver using the command i cant do a apt-get it stuck at 0% even a ping to a host wont work
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10:52<slush>testuser: can you ping an ip?
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10:54<testuser>no it works sorry
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10:55<testuser>just how can i give a root password for it ?
10:55<spinningsheep>hi there... I have a squeeze/amd64 xen host and 32 bits lenny guest. I upgraded the guest to squeeze and switched the guest kernel to use the host's 64bit kernel... now how am I supposed to install the xen-amd64 kernel modules on this 32bits userland vm?
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10:57<NickUK`>Anyone here?
10:57<testuser>slush how i can login in it ?
10:57<testuser>because i got worng password using ssh
10:58<NickUK`>Can anyone tell me the command that tells me the top10 most things that are using my hard drive spac.e
10:58<slush>testuser: vserver enter
10:58<testuser>yes but if i whant to connect using ssh now
10:58<testuser>it now work
10:58<testuser>not work
10:58<testuser>i whant now to connect using ssh like putty
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10:59<petemc>NickUK`: du -h | sort -h | tail 10
10:59<petemc>NickUK`: du -h | sort -h | tail -n 10 , rather
10:59<slush>first see if you can enter from the host, using the cli
10:59<NickUK`>tail: cannot open `10' for readingTry `sort --help' for more information.
10:59<NickUK`>: No such file or directory
11:00<testuser>slush yes i am in
11:00<testuser>using the enter command
11:00<NickUK`>du -h | sort -h | tail -n 10
11:00<NickUK`>sort: invalid option -- 'h'
11:00<NickUK`>Try `sort --help' for more information.
11:00<petemc>older version of sort
11:00<NickUK`>I'm running the latest Debian
11:01<slush>testuser: good, see if the network is up and running
11:01<NickUK`>petemc - Any other ideas.
11:01<rpetre>petemc: du -m | sort -n would do similarly well and not require the bleeding edge sort :)
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11:02<testuser>slush how
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11:02<testuser>i install ssh allready
11:02<testuser>i can connect to my root using ssh but not the the vserver
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11:05<NickUK`>rpetre - Can I pm you a sec.
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11:06<rpetre>NickUK`: i'm leaving soon so better keep it in the channel (unless it's personal), but whatever :)
11:06<NickUK`>Well the thing is my Server has a 200GB Drive
11:06<NickUK`> 49G 30G 0 100% /
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11:07<catsup>oh shit
11:07<catsup>sort has a -h
11:07<catsup>that obsoletes
11:07<rpetre>catsup: yeah, but only very recent versions do
11:08<spinningsheep>squeeze has, not lenny
11:08<rpetre>NickUK`: the server might have a separate partition on that disk, so / is smaller
11:08<slush>testuser: in the guest, do you have ssh installed? Does running 'ifconfig' looks like it has the correct settings?
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11:09<spinningsheep>nickuk : is this filesystem ext2/3 ? you might want to check reserved space with tune2fs
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11:09<testuser>slush yes ssh is installed
11:10<NickUK`>Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
11:10<NickUK`> reiserfs 49G 29G 0 100% /
11:10<NickUK`>tmpfs tmpfs 1.0G 0 1.0G 0% /lib/init/rw
11:10<NickUK`>tmpfs tmpfs 1.0G 0 1.0G 0% /dev/shm
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11:10<NickUK`>Did you get that though?
11:10<rpetre>first for lines
11:10<NickUK`>Two sesc
11:11<rpetre>and it's very suspicious that it's used 30G out of 50 and considered full
11:11<rpetre>you may want to check the sizes for /root and /var
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11:11<NickUK`>But it should show a 200GB
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11:12<rpetre>pastebin the output of "fdisk -l" , if you can
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11:12<NickUK`>cannot open /proc/partitions
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11:12<catsup>NickUK`: that shows the size of filesystems, not the size of the disk
11:13<spinningsheep>nick : what architecture is it ?
11:13<NickUK`>What do you mean spinningsheep
11:13<catsup>interesting why isn't the partition listed in that df output
11:13<spinningsheep>is it a kind of pc... or something more exotic?
11:14<NickUK`>This one is a VPS.
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11:14<NickUK`>I've another Linux VPS running on one of my Windows Dedis but that has no issues :S
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11:16<rpetre>oh, it's a vps, nevermind
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11:17<rpetre>anyway, apparently you knew wrong, they give you a 50G filesystem, not a 200G one
11:17<NickUK`>I will drop a support ticket in.
11:17<NickUK`>But still it shouldn't show 100% full out of that though?
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11:18<rpetre>in any case, you most likely have some process that filled the disk
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11:19<rpetre>unless you have an idea what might have produced so much data (downloaded some stuff, for instance), the usual suspects are log files in /var/log, or mail spool files in /var/spool/mail or homedirs
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11:20<NickUK`>Can I just rm -r the /var/spool/mail?
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11:20<rpetre>you can try to go to the top level directory, and do a bunch of du -hx on directories and find which one is the unusually large one
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11:20<rpetre>NickUK`: usually it's not a good idea
11:21<NickUK`>Nope that's not large the /var/spool/mail
11:21<NickUK`>Will check the logs
11:21<NickUK`>Nothing large in that either
11:21<NickUK`>10MB in log
11:21<NickUK`>And 31MB in mail
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11:22<testuser>slush ?
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11:22<NickUK`>Giving the server another reboot to see if it's an error or something.
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11:22<NickUK`>Nothing too serious if I loose anything server provider does monthly backups
11:23<NickUK`>Seems it's an issue with the node :S
11:23<NickUK`>Another one of my VPS from that company on the same node has got a cPanel error.
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11:23<NickUK`>Sorry for the inconvenience!
11:23<NickUK`>The filesystem mounted at / on this server is running out of disk space. cPanel operations have been temporarily suspended to prevent something bad from happening. Please ask your system admin to remove any files not in use on that partition.
11:24<spinningsheep>from what I understand... it may be due to disk oversubscription on the host level...
11:24<NickUK`>Yeh, I don't think it would be oversubscription but I wouldn't put it past them forgetting that it is backing up.
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11:24<NickUK`>And if you're backing up several servers with over 100GB space every month then it will get large.
11:24<NickUK`>10x VPS with 100GB of stuff well that's a lot of space:D
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11:34<spinningsheep>nickuk : have a look at openVZ's wiki, 'disk quota, df and stat weird behaviour'
11:34<testuser>i just started my vserver using my root but i cant login to vserver using ssh why ?
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11:35<testuser>ssh is installed
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11:35<NickUK`>ty spinningsheep
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11:56<sret>anyone awake
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11:56<sret>yday i accidentally made a .bash_profile in the fileserver/home dir
11:56<sret>which i cant seem to delete now
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11:56<sret>how would i do that from root at the terminal
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11:58<retrospectacus>you don't need to, but you can delete it with the rm command
11:58<retrospectacus>or you could move it to where it is supposed to be with the mv command
11:59<sret>na na i just want it removed
11:59<sret>whats the rm command
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11:59<dpkg>well, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm foo), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper around unlink(2). To prevent accidental deletions, ask me about <safe-rm>. --preserve-root is a default option since GNU coreutils 6.4. Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. RealMedia (container format for RealVideo/RealAudio), ask me about <real codecs>.
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11:59<sret>foo being the file?
11:59<sret>so rm .bash_profile?
11:59<sret>ok thanks
11:59<retrospectacus>if it is in the current location
12:00<retrospectacus>or rm /home/.bash_profile
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12:00<retrospectacus>cd /home ; rm .bash_profile
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12:01<sret>its in filesystem/home
12:01<sret>not my home dir
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12:01<retrospectacus>you should maybe read some basic linux tutorials...
12:01<retrospectacus>"filesystem/home" is "/home" I believe
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12:02<retrospectacus>whereas your home directory is "/home/sret"
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12:04<sret>yeah doing that today
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12:07<retrospectacus>when you open "filesystem" in the "Computer" browser that opens the location "/" - where it all begins
12:07<sret>yeah i know that part
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12:09<sret>another thing
12:09<sret>if i had to download a script thats not part of the deb pkgs
12:09<sret>how would i do that
12:09<sret>the link is
12:09<sret>do a wget and then how do i execute the script
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12:11<cahoot>sret: back to the recommendation about basic linux tutorials
12:11<sret>yeah what should i be looking for though
12:12<retrospectacus>nothing. just read them from the beginning
12:14<retrospectacus>you'll need to learn about cat, grep, find, chmod and chown commands, input/output redirection, pipes, then you will be ready to begin :)
12:15<sret>yeah but as of now i understand wget, but the execution part i dont
12:15<sret>and besides if i use wget where does it download it to/.
12:15<sret>my home/sret?
12:15<retrospectacus>to .
12:15<retrospectacus>just read
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12:17<zy>Hi everyone, in squeeze bigmem, my box do not resume (boot normally, except recovering journal when fsck-ing) after pm-hibernate. What is wrong?
12:18<sret>. im not sure what i have to look for to execute a script
12:18<cahoot>sret it will dwan upon you with time
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12:19<retrospectacus>sret: let me be clear. You should not attempt to follow any instructions until you have learned about those things: pwd, cat, grep, find, chmod, chown, input/output redirection, pipes, and whatever else the tutorials talk about along the way.
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12:20<retrospectacus>else you will be in here every day for weeks asking about random things you are trying to do until eventually we have regurgitated all the tutorials to you
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12:26<rovanion>My Debian seems to have lost my ethernet device: $sudo ifconfig eth0 up / eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: The device does not exist. What can I do?
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12:26<spinningsheep>rovanion : ifconfig -a
12:27<retrospectacus>the name probably changed to eth1 or something....
12:27<spinningsheep>rovanion : by any chance, is there a "new" eth1 ?
12:27<rovanion>spinningsheep, Something named eth1 there is.
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12:28<spinningsheep>rovanion : have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/ , the persistent-net-something file
12:28<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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12:32<spinningsheep>cahoot : do you know the answer number for the question 'how to install 64-bits kernel modules on a 32-bits userland system' ?
12:32<cahoot>42 obviously
12:33<spinningsheep>i knew I shouldn't have asked...
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12:33<rovanion>Switched the names of eth0 and eth1 and ran udevadm trigger, but ifconfig eth0 up still errors. Is there anything I've missed?
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12:33<retrospectacus>rovanion: what's ifconfig -a say now?
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12:33<cahoot>rovanion: remove the 70-persistent-net..., then run udevadm trigger
12:34<rovanion>retrospectacus, Still the same, will do as cahoot says
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12:35<rovanion>cahoot, Tried it, still no cigar
12:35<cahoot>still eth1?
12:36<rovanion>cahoot, Yup
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12:37<rovanion>Should I just change in some other config-file so to make eth1 use DHCP and act as if this isn't an issue?
12:37<angelrachet>poqqe se os vais
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12:38<nadir>removing 70-net and rebooting always works for me. Perhaps check /etc/network/interfaces too
12:38<spinningsheep>rovanion : it would work but you won't learn how to fix it for next time... :) did you try to unload/reload modules for the eth device ?
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12:39<rovanion>spinningsheep, Rebooting as nadir suggested, should reload the modules :P
12:40<nadir>ah, so the reboot loads the modules again (will try to remember...)
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12:42<rovanion>That made it all work out just fine
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12:46<rovanion>Thank you for your help!
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13:23<tuxcrafter>what does the status Built mean:
13:23<tuxcrafter>when can i expect the amd64 package to be availiable
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13:26<tuxcrafter> hmm
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13:27<tuxcrafter> < ldap team seem to need help
13:28<themill>tuxcrafter: built→uploaded requires manual intervention and so can sometimes block on someone.
13:28<themill>tuxcrafter: (most teams need help -- look at the wnpp-alert command from the devscripts package)
13:29<tuxcrafter>maybe there needs te be a special presentation on fosdem
13:29<tuxcrafter>for getting more maintainers
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13:41<thobbs>Could anybody give me some pointers on building architecture specific packages? In this case, I have two full directory structures starting with /usr, one for i386 and one for amd64. I'm not sure about what combination of control/rules/package.install would be the best way to do this.
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13:45<jordanm>thobbs: why do they have seperate paths?
13:47<thobbs>jordanm: I had supposed that was a good start, but they could be combined if needed.
13:48<thobbs>There are just a few different binaries for each architecture
13:48<jordanm>thobbs: only i386 should be built and included on i386. seperate directories only makes sense if you would need both installed on the same system
13:48<jordanm>thobbs: most of the time you do Arch: all and let the dev tools do the rest
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13:51<thobbs>jordanm: well, I guess I mispoke -- the directories do contain different versions of the same binaries in /usr/bin
13:52<thobbs>is there a way to say "when building for this arch, include these files"?
13:52<jordanm>thobbs: why different versions? why should they be co-installable?
13:52<thobbs>jordanm: they don't both need to be installed on the same machine
13:53<thobbs>it's entirely possible that I'm Doing This Wrong
13:53<jordanm>sounds that way
13:54<jordanm>thobbs: you probably just need Arch: any in your control file, with no further modifications of the upstream package. what is the build system?
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13:56<thobbs>jordanm: I'm building on amd64, and I'm basically using an unpacked version of already existing packages. I only need the binaries and configuration files from the packages, not maint scripts. It's sort of a hacky situation.
13:56<thobbs>For local use only
13:57<jordanm>thobbs: why is that? what package? what is the goal?
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13:58<thobbs>jordanm: I need to have specific versions of a package available without touching the existing packages. They will be installed with dpkg --root=/opt/whatever
13:58<thobbs>mostly twisted packages
13:59<jordanm>thobbs: don't use packages for installing things to opt. just use a tar.gz or something
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13:59<jordanm>thobbs: the point of the packages is integration with the system. you seem to be going to the opposite
13:59<jordanm>thobbs: but that doesn't explain your goal at all, you simply provided you implementation detail
14:00<thobbs>jordanm: yes, you're correct regarding integration
14:00<thobbs>I'm not sure what you mean by the goal
14:01<jordanm>thobbs: why do you think you should install twisted packages to /opt?
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14:01<dpkg>somebody said xy was a boy
14:01<jordanm>!xy problem
14:01<dpkg>[xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See or
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14:03<thobbs>jordanm: Well, I need a version of twisted available, but need to be hands-off on the existing packages. There won't necessarily be a repo available to work with, just some scripts
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14:04<jordanm>thobbs: see python virtualenv
14:04<thobbs>jordanm: thanks, I'll look over that a bit more closely
14:05<thobbs>I appreciate your time and help
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14:05<jordanm>thobbs: no problem. the only ownside to virtualenv is it a per-user basis.
14:06<thobbs>jordanm: I think creating a new user specifically for this would be okay
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14:06<jordanm>thobbs: also, twisted should not be arch specific at all, should be arch: any
14:07<jordanm>thobbs: byte compiling (if it does byte compile) occurs at install time, instead of build time
14:07<thobbs>python-twisted-bin is only arch-specific, I believe
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14:09<jordanm>thobbs: yep, it is
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14:26<sneakers>How do I compile from git and then package the result as a .deb?
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15:23<s4br3>Hi, I found which is a very up-to-date version of wine. Has anyone tried this?
15:24<catsup>someone must have
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15:25<s4br3>Well, :)
15:26<timon>are you about to ask whether to give it a try or not?
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15:27<timon>good evening everyone, by the way (just thought I forgot something ;))
15:28<s4br3>timon: yes, I have downloaded all the deb from that site, but wanted to hear if someone here knew of any backlashes
15:28<timon>thought so ;)
15:28<timon>the backlash will be that you will have to support yourself using it
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15:29<s4br3>The issue, as also described at, is that the current unstable version is very old
15:30<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
15:30<kop>s4br3: It'll get better when squeeze is released.
15:30<s4br3>Which may take weeks/months
15:31<kop>s4br3: Sure.
15:31<timon>s4br3: go ahead and install something you think you need
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15:34<s4br3>Hmmm, some amd64 versions were missing...
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15:45<gggggg>am i talking to my self
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15:48<periapt>gggggg: Well for what it's worth I (and four hundred other people are here). I rather doubt that they are all staring at you. ;-)
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16:05<intelivizion>chek out venezuelan underground music
16:06<intelivizion>its free download
16:06<intelivizion>glitch n noise hak sounds
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16:08<kop>!ops spam by intelivizion
16:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kop complains about: spam by intelivizion
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16:59<SnickersKitten>hello all. I built a server to host virtual machines with Virtual box when i searched for virtual box with apt I see a virtual box vserver. I am curious as to what the difference is. I have googled and looked around and found no real data on this package
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17:04<kop>SnickersKitten: I do aptitude search virtualbox and got a lot of hits (all related to the virtualbox-ose package) ut this is lenny.
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17:06<SnickersKitten>kop: 2.6.26 is the kernel version.
17:07<kop>SnickersKitten: Lenny.
17:07<dpkg>VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bdo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. #vbox on See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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17:08<kop>!tell SnickersKitten about vbox-ose vs vbox
17:08<spinningsheep>is there a way to list a package dependencies "recursively", that is with dependencies'dependencies and so on?
17:08<kop>spinningsheep: apt-cache
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17:10<spinningsheep>thanks kop
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17:15<Xeross>For some reason my software RAID (mirror) is causing grub not to boot
17:15<Xeross>if root=/dev/md0 then it says softreset failed and then just has a blinking cursor
17:16<Xeross>if root=/dev/sda1 it just says softreset failed and then continues to boot
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17:17<Xeross>It worked fine before I accidentally made it boot from /dev/sda1
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17:20<Xeross>Any idea what might cause this?
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17:27<SnickersKitten>kop: my question pertained directly to the vserver version of it. the kernel version i'm running is the vserver version
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17:29<kop>Xeross: You did not install grub into the mbr on the other half of the mirror. (Be sure to tell grub to use the "other half" to boot from as well.)
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17:31<kop>Xeross: On the other hand, my brain is full and I could be wrong because now I see you're messing with root= stuff.
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18:50<Sp0t>Anyone here use I cant get in to the forum, it says my username og password are wrong, and i know for a fact its not
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18:57<smv>!tell Sp0t -about ubuntu
18:57<newbie_hot>somebody help me please!
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18:58<newbie_hot>i can't connect pidgin with my yahoo
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18:59<abrotman>newbie_hot: which version of pidgin ?
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19:00<abrotman>newbie_hot: dpkg -l pidgin .. what is the version string?
19:00<abrotman>or use a pastebin to show us 'apt-cache policy pidgin'
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19:01<newbie_hot>actually i have a pidgin source
19:01<newbie_hot>but i can't compile it
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19:02<newbie_hot>when i type "make"
19:02<newbie_hot>its stop
19:02<abrotman>which Debian pidgin do you have?
19:02<abrotman>newbie_hot: do not msg me
19:02<abrotman>i asked you which *Debian* package of pidgin you have
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19:02<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
19:03<abrotman>newbie_hot: please go ask the backtrack people, you're offtopic in this channel, and you will not get any support here
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19:04<newbie_hot>backtrack 4 is dervated from debian
19:04<mwalling>but it still isnt debian
19:05<newbie_hot>but not for prev version
19:05<mwalling>just like it wasnt slackware
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19:05<abrotman>newbie_hot: this channel does not support Backtrack .. please go to #backtrack-linux on
19:05<newbie_hot>when installingsoftware, its need "apt-get"
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19:07<ta2>Hi, I install Debian without a GUI, but now I want one so I install xorg and xfce4... then I ran startx and I get signal out of range?
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19:13<jester45>your resolution or refresh rate is too high. have you edited your xorg.conf?
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19:14<ta2>I had a look and it looks pretty empty but I don't know what to put in it
19:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
19:16<jester45>paste your xorg.conf at one of those sites and paste the url here.
19:16<ta2>ok 1 sec
19:16*jester45 doesnt know what the default config looks like
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19:17<abrotman>it should be empty
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19:18<abrotman>you really should be looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:18<jester45>also if you know your monitor's resolution & refresh rate that would be helpful
19:19<jester45>abrotman: why would xorg log that its using too high of a resolution/refresh? wouldnt it just lower the settings
19:19<ta2>It should take up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz but I'd prefer just to give it 640x480 and run it picture-in-picture
19:19<abrotman>jester45: just taking a guess .. it's a newer nvidia or ati card
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19:20<abrotman>ta2: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.abrotman .. try to startx again
19:20<ta2>already tried that
19:20<abrotman>your xorg.conf generally should be empty .. or not there at all
19:20<abrotman>ta2: your Xorg.0.log will be more helpful probably
19:21<retrospectacus>ta2: try go to tty1 and run "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600" and then flip back to tty7
19:22<ta2>sorry, what's tty1 ?
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19:22<abrotman>ta2: the first console
19:22<gor>i have installed a web server on ubuntu 10.10. It works with htmls but with php the Firefox tell me how i want to open the phtml file
19:22<retrospectacus>press Ctrl-Alt-F1
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19:22<smv>!tell gor -about ubuntu
19:22<abrotman>again ?
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19:24<ta2>retrospectacus: tty1 doesn't have a console, it has a bunch of stuff and the last line is "SetKbdSettings - type: 0 rate: 30 delay: 500 snumlk: 0" so I add what you said and it does the same
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19:25*abrotman waits for the log ...
19:25<smv>ta2, perhaps you ran startx while in tty1. use tty2 instead?
19:26<ta2>abrotman: sorry, I'm using Putty to get this and it truncated it at the top
19:27<ta2>smv: Just did that and out of range signal again
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19:28<abrotman>ta2: is this lenny? squeeze?
19:28*abrotman notes the top part is helpful
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19:29<abrotman>not nearly enough info there
19:29<ta2>abrotman: lenny
19:29<jester45>wgetpaste can be helpful to paste without X
19:29<abrotman>ta2: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. what is the complete line ?
19:29<abrotman>oh wait .. nevermind
19:29<abrotman>wide screen card, lenny, trying to use VESA ..
19:30<abrotman>ta2: is this a workstation or server?
19:30<ta2>abrotman: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9712]
19:30<abrotman>judd: xorg 1002:9712
19:30<judd>Device 1002:9712 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid.
19:30<abrotman>judd: pciid 1002:9712
19:30<judd>[1002:9712] is 'M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module.
19:30<abrotman>!tell ta2 about fglrx
19:30<ta2>abrotman: It's a 'HP ProLiant Microserver'
19:31<abrotman>whatever that is
19:31<abrotman>sounds like an oxymoron :)
19:31<Chill-k>you must install fglrx
19:31<abrotman>we just covered that ...
19:31<ta2>ok, thanks guys I'll try that back in a sec
19:32*dvs doesnt need fglrx
19:33<abrotman>not in squeeze you don't
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19:39<ta2>Ok I followed that exactly and now I just get "Fatal server error: no screens found" from startx
19:40<abrotman>i believe you have to reboot ?
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19:45<ta2>Ok I get: Using conf file ... then (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found
19:46<abrotman>mv the conf file aside .. try again, paste your entire Xorg.0.log
19:46<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
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19:49<ta2>abrotman: sorry 1 sec, doing that
19:52<abrotman>ta2: while you're sitting around .. update-pciids
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19:53<ta2>abrotman: Ok it just said "Downloaded daily snapshot...
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19:53<abrotman>that's fine
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19:54<abrotman>it's sitll not using fglrx ...
19:55<abrotman>try X -configure .. create a new xorg.conf .. see if it let's you choose fglrx ?
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19:55<ta2>you said move the xorg.conf, which is what had the fglrx stuff that I pasted from that link?
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19:57<ta2>abrotman: after "X -configure" it says "to test run ....." and when I do that I get out of range
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19:57<abrotman>you might have to go to squeeze
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19:58<Chill-k>in xorg.conf Section Device, for Driver "fglrx" or "radeonhd" try it? create xorg.conf #Xorg -configure
19:58<abrotman>did it even let you choose fglrx ?
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19:59<ta2>abrotman: is it supposed to prompt me for something?
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20:00<ta2>sorry yes it has fglrx in the list it prints
20:01<ta2>Chill-k should I copy the file that X -configure creates to /etc/X11 ?
20:02<ta2>Ah nvm, surely this would have worked though: To test the server, run 'X -config /root/'
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20:03<Chill-k>run 'X -config /root/ /then copy if all right
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20:04<ta2>I edited /root/ and changed Device driver from vesa ro fglrx and I get the same, no screens...
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20:05<Chill-k>no screen/ why? what a error?
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20:08<Chill-k>go to
20:08<ta2>I followed that exactly
20:09<ta2>I'll do it again then
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20:11<ta2>It didn't need to install anything cause it had it already, then I made the new xorg.conf and I get no screens found
20:13<ta2>shall I just install squeeze instead?
20:13<kop>ta2: What's the xorg.conf looklike? Is there a screen section in there? If not you need one to reference the device section you made.
20:14<ta2>kop: I am using the xorg.conf shown here under the lenny section. Just that, nothing extra.
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20:16<kop>ta2: Ok. Maybe paste your X log and there's clues in there?
20:16<ta2>ok 1 sec
20:17<ta2>At least I'm learning. :)
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20:20<Chill-k>may indicate he busID in xorg.conf ?
20:21<kop>ta2: is PCI 01:05:0 your video card?
20:21<kop>ta2: (type lspci -nn)
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20:22<ta2>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] [1002:9712]
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20:23<kop>ta2: And that's the video you want to use, right?
20:23<Chill-k>BusID 01:05.0
20:23<kop>,pciid 1002:9712
20:23<judd>[1002:9712] is 'M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module.
20:24<ta2>there's only one video device, it's on the motherboard
20:25<smv>i wonder if you indeed have everything that's neded instaled
20:25<kop>ta2: Dunno. You could use the free module, especially if you got a newer kernel from backports. Otherwise I don't really know what's wrong. Somebody surely should be able to look at your x log and figure it out but that body is not me.
20:26<kop>!tell ta2 about backports
20:26<kop>!tell ta2 about bdo
20:26<ta2>smv: I did a normal install without GUI, then I installed xorg and xfce4 and that's it. So probably yes there's something missing?
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20:27<ta2>kop: so I should get the latest kernel from backports?
20:28<kop>ta2: That might help. But only if you use the ati-agp driver.
20:29<ta2>what would you guys do in this situation?
20:29<ta2>it's a new box, I don't mind nuking it
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20:29<smv>ta2, aptitude install -s ~t^desktop$ ~t^xfce-desktop$
20:29<smv>that shoudl tell you if there are any missing packages without installing them
20:30<kop>ta2: Hard to say. You might be happier installing squeeze, just because you won't have to upgrade. On the other hand, it does not hurt to read the release notes and do an upgrade. (It's mostly reading with very few commands.)
20:30<ta2>smv: that's gonna give me all the packages for the entire desktop environment... openoffice etc included
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20:31<kop>ta2: I like stable, because of security support and because it just works. Others have other tastes.
20:31<Chill-k>if new try new kernel or debian squeeze
20:31<ta2>kop: this is supposed to be a file server, so yeah I chose stable because I don't really need many features
20:32<smv>ta2, then perhaps have a look at the entire list and decide if you don't want some packages and modify that line
20:32<kop>ta2: It does not hurt to try a backports kernel.
20:32<kop>ta2: Why did you want the proprietary driver? Why not just use what's in lenny?
20:33<ta2>fglrx is the proprietary driver?
20:33<abrotman>but in squeeze, you shouldn't need it
20:33<ta2>I don't care what driver, I just want X to run properly. I was getting "signal out of range"
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20:34<ta2>shall I try the backports kernel then? What's the package name for that?
20:36<kop>ta2: That usually means it can't detect your monitor (maybe). And you need a monitor section with the horz and vert sync ranges. And a minimal device section (in my experience) with only the driver, and a screen section to tie the two together.
20:36<kop>ta2: Crt or lcd?
20:36<ta2>it's a Dell U2410 and it's plugged in via VGA
20:37<ta2>I'm pretty sure it'll accept any valid VGA resolution
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20:37<kop>ta2: Yah. No way for X to tell what's allowed and it does not want to fry the monitor.
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20:37<kop>ta2: (I recall the original IBM PCs. The monitor would catch on fire if you drove it wrong.)
20:38<ta2>:S so what do I need to add to the xorg.conf; how would I find out the vert/hor sync ranges?
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20:38<kop>ta2: Lemme paste something I did. You'll want to use the ati-agp driver. And the right horz/vert sync numbers.
20:39<ta2>kop: ok, thanks
20:39<kop>ta2: You need the manual. They are often on-line.
20:39<kop>ta2: Or you downgrade the resolution and, especially, the refresh rate until it works. But that's eyestrain territory.
20:40<Chill-k>Xorg wrong in busid !
20:40<kop>Chill-k: No kidding?
20:42<kop>Chill-k: The difference is in the period?
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20:42<kop>ta2: If that does not work, try a kernel from backports. Follow the instructions at
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20:44<ta2>kop: nope, out of range again. I'll try the backports kernel. Thanks
20:44<Chill-k>this is a mistake in identifying the video card itself. need new kernel. imho. sorry for english
20:45<kop>Chill-k: No worries. Glad to have your brain.
20:45*abrotman is still voting for squeeze
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20:46*kop won't argue
20:48<ta2>should I install a full squeeze distro or just the backports kernel?
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20:48<ta2>also what's the kernel package name, I searched for 'kernel' here ( and it says keyword too generic
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20:48<kop>ta2: Really that's up to you. I'd do the kernel, but that could be wrong and abrotman would do squeeze.
20:49<abrotman>!do squeeze
20:49*dpkg wonders why those smelly goats should do squeeze
20:49<kop>ta2: linux-image?
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20:49<ta2>kop: thanks, got it
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20:50<ta2>might install squeeze anyway even if this works. I'll at least know the problem
20:50<kop>ta2: Once you update your sources.list and do "aptitude update" you can use aptitude (or any apt) to search.
20:50*abrotman blames this "Microserver" ...
20:51<kop>abrotman: On smelly goats?
20:51<ta2> aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64 // 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:51<kop>ta2: Did you "aptitude update" firs?
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20:52<ta2>kop: yup
20:52<kop>ta2: Did you update your sources.list?
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20:53<kop>ta2: You should just be able to say linux-image-2.6 and let it figure out the arch.
20:53<ta2>ariel:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat backports // deb lenny-backports main is that correct?
20:54<kop>ta2: That initial // does not look right. (Gotta go.)
20:54<ta2>kop: that's just my syntax to show newline :p
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21:03<ta2>ok well thanks everyone for the help. I'm going to give squeeze a try. Cya!
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21:10<kcynice>my GNome's Application menu disappeared accidently, why and how to find it back?
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21:12<Chill-k>:kcynice remove /home/~~~/.config/menus/
21:13<abrotman>kcynice: right click and add back to panel
21:13<kcynice>remove it, and restart x?
21:15<Chill-k>you have menu but aplication disappeared?
21:16<Chill-k>or abortman right. just add applet (right click)
21:16<kcynice>no any menu at the left top
21:17<Chill-k>right click and add back to panel
21:17<kcynice>i means, the gnome system menu
21:18<abrotman>kcynice: it's the Main Menu IIRC
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21:21<kcynice>after i installed my debian, there is a main system menu at the top of my desktop. i remember, there are three entries, Application,.. er, i forgot the next two
21:21<kcynice>they all gone
21:23<Chill-k>right click and add back to panel Menu bar
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21:24<abrotman>it's not the same one .. i see what he's saying
21:24<kcynice>no such choice
21:25<kcynice>im sorry for my poor english.
21:26<abrotman>it's okay .. but google wasn't much help
21:28<kcynice>oh, im sorry, i googled, but use some wrong option. thanks. I will re-read them
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21:39<spinningsheep>with the new dependency-based init, how should dependencies be specified in init files when the effective dependencies are based upon config files ? like a mysql client application that may depend on a local mysql service or not (if remote) ?
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21:53<littlegirl>Hey there, I'm not sure if this channel is where I should be asking this, but I use Debian and I have a DVD that's backward. I would like to flip the video in it horizontally. Does anybody know what software I could use to do that?
21:55<sney>mplayer probably can, but you'll have to ask their channel
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21:55<littlegirl>Thanks. Will do.
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22:01<abrotman>sounds like a bad encoding/rip :)
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22:02<zac1256>what linux os r u running
22:02<abrotman>this is #debian, assume Debian
22:02<zac1256>back track 4
22:03<abrotman>this is #debian, assume Debian
22:04<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
22:05<zac1256>i use back track ubuntu debian or mac
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23:08<child>jI installed debian lenny without setting up the internet with dhcp .. how do I set up the internet? the modem is in bridge and not have the pppoeconf package in instalation?
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23:51<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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