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---Logopened Mon Feb 07 00:00:48 2011
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00:24<bartm>i'm trying to setup apache with php enabled. Installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5. Tried a2enmod php5 and restarted apache2. But still when I open a page with php the browser suggests to download the file. How to solve this?
00:25<gsimmons>dpkg: tell bartm -about php wants me to download still
00:25<bartm>as far as I remember, this worked fine on lenny and now not on squeeze. I hope I'm just overlooking something silly.
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00:26<bartm>gsimmons, thanks for that, I'll study that now step by step
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00:30<sombra>hola una consulta como uedo a un usuario x asignarle por ejemplo 100 megas de disco y 100 megas de ram?
00:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
00:31<sombra>ok gracias
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00:41<bartm>gsimmons, no luck so far :(
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00:47<hmmm>which debian version should I download for vmware?
00:48<hmmm>if you have debian 5 I would appreciate it
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00:49<hmmm>anyone here to help?
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00:51<bartm>hmmm, patience :)
00:53<bartm>gsimmons, the problem seems limited to php files in userdirs
00:54<hmmm>bartm what debian should I download for vmware?
00:55<hmmm>I have already downloaded a debian 6 version which is not supported by vmware, and I need debian 5
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00:59<bartm>solved. Apparently this is a difference between lenny and squeeze. For php in userdirs the file php5.conf is to be edited to comment-out a few lines disabling php in userdirs. gsimmons, maybe the dpkg factoid needs updating for this?
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01:06<gsimmons>bartm: It is intentionally disabled since php5 5.3.1-3, see php5-common's NEWS.Debian. But this is worth mentioning in the factoid, will amend.
01:06<bartm>cool thanks
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02:01<Technicus>Hello . . . I recognize this as the official Debian IRC channel, however there are far more Debian users on the Freenode server. I would like to participate in both channels, but I do not want to be cited for cross posting. Do I have to choose one or the other?
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02:05<chealer>Technicus: do you want help or just to help others?
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02:18<indecipherable>That is all.
02:19<indecipherable>I've never been so excited in my entire life.
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02:21<GreatLord|home>Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me how to setup tightvncserver so it start at boot ?
02:21<indecipherable>This is interesting I wasn'
02:22<indecipherable>This is interesting I wasn't aware Debian had an IRC server. I've been using the channel on freenode.
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02:23<indecipherable>The debhelper but has the same address so it must be in association :D
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02:24<GreatLord|home>I am bit new doing auto startup stuff in debian
02:25<GreatLord|home>any help should be nice
02:27<dpkg>/etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>.
02:27<GreatLord|home>ompaul_ thx
02:28<GreatLord|home>how to write a vncsver startup script ?
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02:28<ompaul_>GreatLord|home: vncserver wants to run as a specific user?
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02:29<GreatLord|home>if that is most easy way todo it I can live with that
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02:30<ompaul_>GreatLord|home: it is the best because it turns it on and off and you can use programs like sysv-rc-conf to turn the script off
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02:31<ompaul_>GreatLord|home: else it becomes an ugly hack and you don't want that, now I have to go ready to work
02:32<GreatLord|home>me too
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02:32<GreatLord|home>I will be back later at the eving
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02:38<Technicus>chealer: I want to help if possible, but I also want help.
02:38<Technicus>Not right now though.
02:38*Technicus is going to go examine Video Lan Client source code.
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02:43<chealer>Technicus: just avoid asking questions in both channels at the same time.
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03:05<alonza>how to i use the desktop cube it says i need a plug in?
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03:07<devil>alonza: what DE?
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03:16<nikolasoddfellow>When I create a web launcher on my desktop it will not launch. Using Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04
03:16<nikolasoddfellow>Please help if you can
03:16<nikolasoddfellow>Thank you
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03:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:18<nikolasoddfellow>Am I in the wrong chat room? SOrry, I am new here.
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03:20<devil>nikolasoddfellow: yes, this is debian support only
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03:51<tuxcrafter>where are the stable/squeeze backports?
03:51<tuxcrafter> does not work
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03:54<tuxcrafter>deb squeeze-backports main contrib non-free seem to work
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04:04<tobi_>Hi, anyone knows if i can use parted with the new Debian 6 installer? i want to create a LVM about 4 TB and want to put some system pathes on this
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04:13<tuxcrafter> < could somebody please help me with this debian to squeeze result
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04:16<tuxcrafter>update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
04:16*tuxcrafter is looking at
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04:19<Torsten_W>i would remove rsyslog, since the initscript rsyslog seems broken
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04:24<tobi> Hi, anyone knows if i can use parted with the new Debian 6 installer? i want to create a LVM about 4 TB (on a Hardwareraid) and want to put some system pathes on this.
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04:25<phrosty>hmm they couldn't have removed lvm creation stuff from the installer...
04:25<Oublieuse>Is it only in english here?
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04:27<tobi>Yes, thats not the Problem. I need parted or something like that to make partitions with GPD. fdisk and sfdisc cant do that
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04:35<fsdqtrcbn>to install that flash-plugin-nonfree backport do I just replace lenny for squeeze?
04:36<mjt>there are no backports for squeeze yet - i mean, the backport repository is empty
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04:39<fsdqtrcbn>what do I do to install the flash-plugin-nonfree then?
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04:41<fsdqtrcbn>oh, apparently with this new fresh install my wireless is not the same. it disconnects if the signal is less than 80%!
04:41<themill>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
04:41<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3
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04:45<fsdqtrcbn>I need use a lenny-backport?
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04:50<rokku>..uh hi..
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04:51<rokku>anyone wanna explain wut this is? lol am new
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04:59<snowrichard>i've just installed debian 6.0 on this laptop. I need the b43 wireless firmware. What's the reccommended way to install it?
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05:00<fsdqtrcbn_>I am on the desktop now.
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05:01<fsdqtrcbn_>So. My wireless in the netbook is weird. I am using wicd and it appears like it doesn't tolerates a signal less than 80%.
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05:01<snowrichard>b43-fwcutter package does not exist
05:01<fsdqtrcbn_>But previously on lenny it worked like a charm.
05:01<fsdqtrcbn_>Any ideas?
05:03<gsimmons>dpkg: tell snowrichard -about b43-fwcutter
05:05<snowrichard>thanks gsimmons
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05:16<snowrichard>i get a dns error on
05:17<snowrichard>never mind tried it again and got the 2 packages
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05:21<snowrichard_>thanks gsimmons i am on the wireless now
05:21<gsimmons>snowrichard_: np
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05:55<leemaster>already had squeeze testing now that its stable... What to do
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07:19<ayaka>have config a nfs server,but I don't know how to mount it,in host,nfs home is /srv/nfs4/home
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07:24<gnutered2>folks, I'm struggling with an upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Short story is that I can no longer boot into squeeze nor lenny kernels. System uses LVM over LUKS over RAID, and is no longer recognised.
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07:25<gnutered2>Am currently booted into a 5.0 live CD, and can get the RAID + LUKS working, but I am stumped as to how to get my PV recognised by LVM, so at least I can see my data
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07:46<gnutered2>so now I've booted with the 6.0.0 live cd and am finding the same - can't seem to convince LVM that there is now a PV available once the crypt is setup
07:46<gnutered2>clues welcome
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07:52<gernot>Hi. I installed Ubuntu alongside Debian. After booting into Debian and running update-grub it detected both Debian and Ubuntu. I then changed a simple option (the Grub timeout) and ran update-grub again. This time it didn't detect and include Ubuntu. Can somebody explain what that is about?
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07:55<mof_>which grub did you installed in mbr ... debian or ubuntu
07:57<arand>poppler has not been updated in debian for a long while it seems, is there any particular way one would ask nicely for it? There is but is there more?
07:57<gernot>mof_, Debian's.
07:58<mof_>and in debian you make an update-grub ?
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07:58<gernot>mof_, yes exactly.
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07:59<mof_>did you an update in ubuntu meanwhile ?
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07:59<mof_>maybe with a new kernel ?
08:00<gernot>mof_, hm. Maybe. Assuming that I did, how would i proceed?
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08:00<mof_>and there is no ubuntu listed in grub´s menu ?
08:01<gernot>mof_, no, not anymore.
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08:02<mof_>hmm... try it again: os-prober && update-grub
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08:03<gernot>mof_, still nothing. It does find my OS X partition though, by the way. Always has.
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08:05<mof_>a notebook whith efi ?
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08:07<gernot>mof_, yes, it's a Macbook Pro with that GPT/MBR thing. But even though this is kind of a funky setup, the OS detection in Grub did work before.
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08:08<mof_>no more ideas. i installed squeeze and aptosid and grub works fine
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08:09<gernot>mof_, alright. Thanks for your help.
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08:10<Seuli>anyone else having probs upgrading from 5.0.8/stable to 6.0? I get a segfault when 'apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev' is updating libc6
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08:11<Seuli>only happened thus far on old vmware gsx
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08:11<gernot>Ha, brilliant. I just mounted the Ubuntu partition in Debian and then ran os-prober. That did the trick.
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08:15<classical>i need to write some easy bash script to find folders/files chmoded to 777 and print out the username of files owner can someone provide easy doc tut etc . . . ?
08:15<classical>or is it possible by command ?
08:16<ayaka>need help for NFS server
08:16<mof_>gernot: i think grub looks for other boot-managers. if mounted or not
08:16<petemc>classical: find -perm
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08:17<i5noc>So anyone got a rundown on the kbsd kernel(s)?
08:17<i5noc>any reason a user who doesn't care about licensing would use em?
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08:17<gernot>mof_, that's what I thought; however, mounting made the difference. Oh well. :)
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08:19<mof_>essentially it works
08:19<Seuli>from what I can see, 'my' update bug is mentioned here:
08:19<Seuli>bug closed, no fix though
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08:36<gnutered2>OK so now I can boot back into my old kernel. It appears my initramfs does not want to do things in the right order. I attempts to load my LVs before asking for the crypt password. Any initram expers lurking?
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08:39<rpetre>gnutered2: do you have a crypttab file?
08:41<gnutered2>rpetre: yes
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08:44<gnutered2>I wonder if renaming the (apparently) broken initramfs file and letting update-initramfs rebuild it from scratch, might sort it out
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08:46<me>Hello again its mee
08:46<me>I need some help
08:46<me>anyone in here that can help me?
08:47<themill>!just ask
08:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
08:47<rpetre>gnutered2: as far as i can tell, all the magic is in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
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08:47<me>Ok so I want to install debian on vmware, the last supported version of debian by vmware says is 5
08:47<me>anyone know where I can download it?
08:48<me>so that it can be installed succesfully on vmware without giving me errors?
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08:48<gnutered2>rpetre: thanks, your crypttab question got me grepping and I found that file too
08:48<rpetre>for now, try to "update-initramfs -u -k [all|your_uname_here]" and see if it works. otherwise try and debug that somehow, i am not sure what is failing on your machine
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08:49<me>Anyone know where I can download a vmware working version of debian 5
08:49<rpetre>could be udev not discovering all the devices in time or could be something more
08:50<gnutered2>rpetre: yeah, now I wonder if it's RAID that's the problem. The RAID1 comes up, but I see no corresponding line for the RAID6, which contains the crypt volume
08:50<gnutered2>rpetre: ahhhh, that rings a bell
08:50<me>can anyone help me?
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08:50<rpetre>me: why don't you install it from a cd image? it's much easier and at least you can trust the machine you obtain
08:51<gnutered2>ISTR now some kernel option that slowed something down in order for something something something
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08:51<rpetre>gnutered2: so maybe your mdadm.conf needs a little attitude adjustment ;)
08:51<me>rpetre what do you mean?
08:51<me>rpetre install it on my main computeR?
08:51<rpetre>me: get an iso and run an installation on a vmware guest
08:52<rpetre>vmware vms can boot from iso images
08:52<me>rpetre well that is what I am trying to do but I have downloaded 3 different debian versions and none worked
08:52<me>a couple gave me a kernel error
08:52<me>and some others a blank screen after instalitation
08:52<me>I am trying 2 days now to install debian, why is it so hard?
08:53<rpetre>me: get one for i386
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08:53<me>I did get one for i386
08:53<me>the one with i386 gave me a kernel error
08:53<gnutered2>me: also you could try using virtualbox or kvm rather than vmware
08:53<flaccid>its working in vbox for me
08:53<fsdqtrcbn>oh you own the me nick
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08:54<gnutered2>rpetre: thanks for help so far. Now I've dropped to the initramfs shell, and it appears my /dev/md1 doesn't want to start
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08:54<rpetre>gnutered2: mdadm.conf has an option for "what mds to start at boot"
08:55<me>ok after I install vbox what am I going to download?
08:55<rpetre>iirc you can put "all" there
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08:56<gnutered2>rpetre: hmm investigating why the num-devices seems wrong in the mdadm.conf
08:56<me>hmm can anyone give me a link to download debian which is 1000000% that will work on vbox?
08:56<rpetre>gnutered2: well, glad to have helped you narrow the issue ;)
08:57<arand>poppler has not been updated in debian for a long while it seems, is there any particular way one would ask nicely for it? There is but is there more?
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08:59<me>any debian vbox-working download links?
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09:00<gnutered2>me: no, nothing other than the recommendation to try it
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09:00<gnutered2>me: try the latest, squeeze (6.0) - if no joy, then try 5.0.8, and consider reporting a bug about 6.0
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09:01<koollman>Hi. is there some kind of documentation on how to make a distribution based on debian ? (or at least roll our own packages/archives, the goal being to deploy maintain more recent/unpackaged software)
09:02<gnutered2>rpetre: I'd like to buy you a virtual beer
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09:03<gnutered2>I'm making progress - my mdadm.conf had the wrong number of devices (because some time in the past I added another drive). This threw out the boot process now on squeeze. Didn't seem to bother lenny though
09:03<zem>me: i just installed 6.0 in vbox... seems to work
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09:04<gnutered2>rpetre: make that two virtual beers
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09:04<rpetre>i'm going to get virtually drunk, then ;)
09:04<cthuluh>dpkg: tell koollman about nmg
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09:05<gnutered2>now, to figure out why kvm does not appear to want to work after the upgrade
09:05<cthuluh>koollman: about making a distro based on debian, no idea, but documentation should be out there
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09:06<koollman>well, I suppose as long as I can package my own stuff and maintain it without breaking too much stuff, it's good enough :)
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09:06<Nemoder_>koollman: might be a place to start
09:07<koollman>(oh, I could also whine about all that stuff being outdated the day squeeze was released. but that won't help ;) )
09:07<gnutered2>koollman: the quickest and dirtiest way to roll your own packages is using checkinstall
09:07<gnutered2>... that I've found
09:07<koollman>I know about it, but it feels... a bit wrong :)
09:07<cthuluh>it is indeed the quickest and dirtiest ;)
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09:08<gnutered2>good for ones-off, and with care might be good enough for a deployment
09:08<cjhmdm>hello, could anyone tell me if it's possible to completely disable a network interface? My motherboard, Asus Z8NA-D6C, has 2 onboard NIC's, one of which I do not use. And although I removed all settings in /etc/network/interfaces and in the network manager, ifconfig still shows an entry for it. And I believe this is causing the severe delay in all connection attempts over the internet. It would seem all requests attempt to go through eth0 first (un-config
09:08<cjhmdm>ured), time out and then go through eth1. This causes a 10+ second delay in everything I do whether it's browsing the web or installing packages via apt, etc etc
09:08<koollman>it won't be one-off, I will need to upgrade and maintain security patches/releases
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09:09<gnutered2>cjhmdm: if there's no IP address, it seems unlikely that it would be delaying while attempting to use the interface
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09:10<gnutered2>try and figure out if it's DNS that's causing the problem
09:10<me>Anyone got a link for the vbox version of debian?
09:10<cjhmdm>gnutered2: That's what I thought as well, but it's the only thing I can think of that would cause these delays ><
09:10<koollman>two of the big problems I can see with my packages would be breaking whatever else run on the box (like installing python3 without destroying python tools, or packaging postgresql9.something without breaking potential existing installs), and managing to make the box upgradeable for the next release (ok, that one is 'sometime in the far far future' :) )
09:10<Nemoder_>cjhmdm: no way to disable one of them in the bios?
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09:10<gnutered2>what's the result of: "time host"
09:11<cjhmdm>it's not DNS.. my other machines use the same settings (manually configured) and share the same DNS settings but this machine is the only one with this problem
09:11<gnutered2>but it could be your system's attempt to use DNS
09:11<gnutered2>e.g. I've had problems in the past with boxes wanting to use IPv6 first, and when that times out, falling back to IPv4
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09:12<me>Anyone got a link for the vbox version of debian?
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09:12<gnutered2>me: nothing new to report in the last two minutes, sorry
09:12<cjhmdm>Hmm, I'll try disabling ipv6 and see if that helps at all. I've really never encountered this problem before so kind of short on ideas ><
09:13<me>ipv6 its like ipv4 the only difference is in numbers
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09:13<cjhmdm>btw, "time host" gives these results: real 0m0.071s -- user 0m0.008s -- sys 0m0.000s
09:14<gnutered2>cjhmdm: OK, please repeat for some domain unlikely to be in your DNS cache
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09:14<me>if, even parking lots have ip, what do you expect? We will run out of ips shortly
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09:14<gnutered2>time host
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09:15<me>get ready for ipv7
09:15<Seuli>anyone else having probs upgrading from lenny/stable to squeeze? my debian is running as virtual host on vmware gsx. when upgrading, apt-get segfaults after trying to install new libc6. I followed the steps provided by the help bot here
09:15<troulouliou>hi ; i ve set my poinning from testing to stable . But now when i m doing apt-show-version i have a lot of packages ( 680 ) that says No version available in Archive
09:15<me>anybody here running debian on a virtual box??????
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09:16<me>anybody here running debian at all?
09:16<troulouliou>me: have on debian guest on debian host ....
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09:16<troulouliou>on = one
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09:17<me>so I am now setting up partitions on a crappy devian edition I picked
09:17<me>and it askes me if I want to write the data on the disk and finish it
09:17<cjhmdm>gnutered2: time host real 0m0.806s --- user 0m0.004s --- sys 0m0.004s
09:17<me>the defualt answer is no
09:17<me>I press yes?
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09:18<troulouliou>me : first time user ?
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09:19<gnutered2>cjhmdm: what about ping responses, then? do they show delays
09:19<cjhmdm>me: the default selection is no because deleting partitions (and/or writing new ones) == all data lost, so it's just making you confirm that that's what you want to do
09:19<arand>me: if you are sure, yes. It's basically to make sure you don't accidentaly double tap on enter and go ahead with something you didn't intend
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09:20<gnutered2>Seuli: I recall seeing this:
09:20<cjhmdm>gnutered2: pings are normal based on my geographic location (most pings have roughly a 250ms delay, which is absolutely normal for where I am)
09:20<gnutered2>Seuli: no further info though
09:21<Seuli>gnutered2: yes, found this one as well, there is no workaround in there that actually works for me
09:21<gnutered2>cjhmdm: so it's only web stuff that's delaying?
09:21<Seuli>gnutered2: that's why I came here :-)
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09:22<cjhmdm>gnutered2: well, it's any site I browse in iceweasel, every time I run apt-get/aptitude, connecting to this irc host, et al
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09:22<lancelot_of>hi all
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09:22<Seuli>gnutered2: but thanks for the link anyway. I keep on trying (and googling)
09:23<cjhmdm>gnutered2: let me try ftp real quick
09:23<lancelot_of>is there any text based p2p file sharing (aMule-like) software for debian?
09:23<gnutered2>cjhmdm: IRC using web client, or native?
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09:24<cjhmdm>gnutered2: I'm using xchat.. also, same delay for ftp as well
09:24<cjhmdm>gnutered2: using filezilla for ftp
09:25<cjhmdm>now, once I connect initially, everything is fine and operates how it should.. it's the initial "resolving host" or "looking up..." that has the delay
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09:25<gnutered2>but doesn't affect your first ping?
09:26<gnutered2>again, try pinging a previously unused destination
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09:26<gsimmons>lancelot_of: You might be interested in the amule-daemon package, along with amulecmd in the amule-utils package.
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09:27<gnutered2>cjhmdm: again, the "resolving host" thing speaks more of DNS probs than anythign else I can think of
09:28<cjhmdm>gnutered2: well, "resolving host ..." is where it delays in ftp, "looking up ..." in iceweasel and "connecting to..." via apt-get
09:28<lancelot_of>gsimmons, thanks for your suggestion
09:29<lancelot_of>have a nice day, bye
09:29<cjhmdm>gnutered2: there is also a delay in the first ping on hosts that I haven't visited, but it doesn't reflect in the ttl or time
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09:29<cjhmdm>gnutered2: so I think you're right regarding it being a DNS issue.. any ideaso n how I can resolve it?
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09:30<gnutered2>cjhmdm: concur still, smells like DNS. you could try pointing to opendns's servers for a while, see if that helps
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09:30<Seuli>cjhmdm: try 'dig', it should tell you, which resolver was used and how long it took to answer. then try again and compare how long it took the secnod time
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09:31<gnutered2>but that doesn't explain why it's the only box on your network suffering from thus
09:31<Seuli>cjhmdm: if there is a big difference, it is most probably the resolver that is having probs
09:31<gnutered2>I'd try disabling IPv6
09:31<gnutered2>going potentially offline for a bit, due to routing change
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09:35<troulouliou>error version string ..virtualbox .. invalid charachter in revision number , does anybody face that problem on debian/stable
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09:36<cjhmdm>disabling ipv6 doesn't help ><
09:36<cjhmdm>I'm going to try switchign DNS servers and see if that helps
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09:38<me>I am bored
09:38<me>lets chat
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09:38<me>How was your day?
09:38<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
09:38<troulouliou>cjhmdm: what your problem ? ping is ok but after a while iceweasel respond with timeout exceeded ...
09:39<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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09:39<me>fuck yeah I control the zombies
09:39<me>!kill dpkg
09:39*dpkg rips off dpkg's balls with a free AOL CD
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09:39<me>Zombies kill themselves!
09:41<cjhmdm>troulouliou: no, there's a delay in all initial connection attempts. When browsing to a website I haven't visited yet, or for some time, I sit on "looking up ...." for about 10 seconds before it connects... when running apt-get I sit on "connecting to ...." for about 10 seconds before it proceeds, et al for everything i've tried thus far (ftp and irc)
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09:41<cjhmdm>now, once I connect initially, then I have no problem with that specific host
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09:42<troulouliou>cjhmdm: yeah just change your dns then i think also check that your mtu is correct but with your sylptoms it looks ok
09:42<me>!kill troulouliou
09:42*dpkg subjects troulouliou to excruciating pain with a large lead pipe
09:42<troulouliou>echo nameserver > /etc/resolv.conf
09:42<troulouliou>for google
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09:43<me>!welcome bodia
09:43<jmm_>I got dns resolution problem after upgrading to squeeze, can somebody help me please ?
09:44<me>Yes me
09:44<jlj>why is the new debian release so huge? I tried doing a dist upgrade on the server and the packages had grown to twice the size. is this normal?
09:44<me>No, its debian
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09:44<jmm_>so me, heard anything about such problem after upgrade ?
09:44<jmm_>seems like it's a libc6 problem .
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09:45<troulouliou>jmm_: better to put your pinning on stable for now as squeeze got stable this week-end
09:45<nono>i read somewhere that apt-get should be used instead of aptitude since squeeze release. what do you think
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09:45<jmm_>troulouliou: umm infortunatly I already upgraded ;)
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09:46<troulouliou>troulouliou: then wait :) ; testing after new release is mor like 'unstable'
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09:46<troulouliou>for 3 months met say
09:46<troulouliou>let say
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09:48<nono_>i read somewhere that apt-get should be used instead of aptitude since squeeze release. what do you think?
09:48<jmm_>troulouliou: I'm not here asking questions on how I should upgrade distros.I asked about how to solve a problem.
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09:54<cjhmdm>well, it indeed appears that it was a DNS issue.. which is really very strange since my other machines use the same settings with no problems ><
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09:54<cjhmdm>thanks for all the help and input guys ^^
09:54<Nemoder_>cjhmdm: did you get a chance to check if it was ipv6?
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09:55<cjhmdm>Nemoder_: yes, I disabled ipv6 first, rebooted, same problem
09:55<cjhmdm>then switched DNS servers, rebooted, issues resolved
09:55<Nemoder_>strange, at least it's solved :)
09:55<cjhmdm>yeah, strange indeed ><
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09:58<cjhmdm>now for my next 2 questions hehe.. 1. how can I increase my mouses' scroll wheel speed? and 2. how would I go about reassigning specific keys on my keyboard? (I have an apple aluminum keyboard w/numpad and namely need to swap the F keys to function without using the Fn key, assign the Insert key to F13, and move my Ctrl key to the "Command" key)
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09:58<ookhoi>hello all
09:59<ookhoi>I have a question regarding debian unattended install, and can't seem to find an answer in the documentation or on the Internet
10:00<ookhoi>is it possible to tell the debian installer to use the entire disk, and not use a partition?
10:00<ookhoi>eg, just /dev/sda
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10:06<cjhmdm>ookhoi: you're using preseed yes? I found this, which might help:
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10:08<kef>following the upgrade howto ( it states that I should install the new kernel and udev before running the dist-upgrade. however when trying to install udev, it complains about udev having unmet dependencies.
10:08<ookhoi>thanks cjhmdm> ookhoi: you're using preseed yes? I found this, which might help: http://lists.debian.
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10:08<kef>quote: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-i386: Breaks: ia32-libs (< 20090804) but 2.7+lenny2 is to be installed | Breaks: lib32asound2 (< 1.0.20-3) but 1.0.16-2 is to be installed | E: Broken packages"
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10:08<ookhoi>thanks cjhmdm
10:08<kef>what should i do now?
10:08<kef>(running amd64 btw)
10:11<ookhoi>cjhmdm, helps a bit, have to experiment a bit it seems, thanks again for your response
10:11<cjhmdm>ookhoi: no problem, sorry I couldn't be of more help ><
10:12<ookhoi>kef, I would do an apt-get --reinstall install $package, but you'll have to pay attention to the output to determine if that does the right thing
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10:13<kef>ookhoi: that gives the same output as above
10:14<kef>oh you meant the ia* packages
10:15<ookhoi>both ia32-libs and lib32asound2 I guess
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10:15<kef>I'll try that
10:16<swo>ookhoi: what?
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10:16<ookhoi>sorry swo, that was for kef
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10:18<kef>ookhoi: seems to be working. thanks1
10:18<kef>-1 +!
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10:18<ookhoi>welcome kef :-)
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10:35<me>ey there
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10:46<edbian>I suddenly am un-able to edit contacts in evolution. I can't add new ones, delete old ones, or edit them. Anyone else experiencing this?
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10:52<sparky4>Hello I am haveing major issuses with the nvidia legacy module and the upgrade to squeeze
10:52<me>dont call me
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10:53<me>sparky4 I know the solution to ur problem
10:53<me>Get a new graphic card which is more reliable than nvidia
10:53<bartm>sparky4, can you describe the issues you're having?
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10:54<sparky4>bartm: moduele nvidia is not found
10:54<sparky4>even though i did install it ><
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10:55<me>ey bartm now that I installed vbox how do I transfer files from main computer to virtual computer
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10:57<sparky4>wait a minute
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10:58<me>Why am I convinced that debian are not so good?
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10:59<pipe>I don't know, why are you?
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10:59<me>Well ever since I tried to install them and compile my router's firmware on debian which is there where it is supposed to be compiled, I come up with problems
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11:00<me>Not just with the debian, but generally any linux
11:01<ulrask>Use another kind of OS then
11:01<me>Linux is good to run to a machine that has no GUI and is never supposed to have like web servers, but why the fuck on a PC
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11:01<me>In order to run a program you have to do 1000 things
11:01<me>while with windows its just 2 clicks
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11:01<me>make your life easier, install windwos
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11:02<pipe>In linux it's only one click
11:02<ulrask>Well me, the best OS is the one you know and like
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11:02<mbentley>in linux, it is zero clicks :D
11:02<ulrask>so windows is probably the best OS for you then
11:02<me>how so?
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11:02<pipe>mbentley: I have a clicky keyboard, so that's many clicks
11:02<mbentley>i don't use a mouse on the command line
11:02<me>its not the best of for me... its the best OS for anyone that isn't a machine
11:02<mbentley>model m?
11:02<pipe>Das Keyboard, but yeah
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11:02<me>you have to open the terminal somehow
11:03<pipe>me: I start 4 terminals automagically when my laptop boots
11:03<me>so that you can spend the next 15 mins doing that windows automatically do when they start
11:03<ulrask>me: do ctrl+alt+F1
11:03<pipe>me: what does windows automatically do?
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11:04<me>run all the programs you want to automatically on start up
11:04<me>drivers etc...
11:04<me>ULRASK how can I go back to GUI?
11:04<pipe>maybe I should install windows now
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11:05<ulrask>me: why do you care ? Just install windows
11:05<me>How can I leave ctrl+alt+f1 mode?
11:05<me>coz I need to compile the firmware first
11:05<bartm>me: ctrl+alt+f7
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11:06<me>how to install .rpm files?
11:06<ulrask>google alien
11:07<bartm>me: are you sure you want to install .rpm files on debian? normally that's for fedora/redhat
11:07<pipe>nice development environment if it's supposed to use debian but installs rpms
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11:07<me>so what redhat can I get
11:07<me>that will work fine for a compile in C++
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11:08<jaldhar>Hello. Whats the deal with aptitude and squeeze? The missing dependencies were the only problem I encountered when upgrading.
11:08<me>Do I have to buy redhat?
11:08<mbentley>i upgraded using this >>
11:09<ulrask>me: centos or fedora are essentially free versions of red hat entreprise linux
11:09<ulrask>(red hat doesnt exist any more)
11:09<mbentley>first tried with "aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude" but that didn't seem to want to work
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11:10<ulrask>mbentley: why do you make your life complicated ? What's wrong with a good old aptitude dist-upgrade ?
11:11<me>hmm I just want to compile a firmware... 2 weeks now I am trying, first I tried in ubuntu, than debian, now fedora... I guess by the 2018 I will successfully compile it..
11:11<mbentley>wanted to upgrade in stages
11:11<ulrask>Let aptitude bother about dependency problems, it's its job
11:11<ulrask>Just go get a nice cup of coffee meanwhile
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11:11<ulrask>while aptitude figure out the best way to upgrade
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11:12<me>linux sucks get windows ffs bb from me! Now that you can, before its too late! Your not machines your humans, the easiest way to go is windows! You don't eat bytes! You eat hamburgers! Change now!
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11:12<pipe>ulrask: aptitude is not recommended for upgrading lenny->squeeze
11:13<mbentley>^^ i read that as well
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11:13<mbentley>'The upgrade process for other releases recommended the use of aptitude for the upgrade. This tool is not recommended for upgrades from lenny to squeeze.'
11:13<pipe>mbentley: And you're clearly not following the link you pasted
11:13<ulrask>pipe: gendema ? it did work flowlessly for me on several boxes
11:14<mbentley>what pipe?
11:14<pipe>ulrask: That still doesn't change that the official documentation doesn't recommend it
11:14<ulrask>Sure, I am just saying I didnt know that
11:14<mbentley>don't get how you say i didn't follow that guide when i did and upgraded just fine ;)
11:15<ulrask>(and flawlessly)
11:15<pipe>mbentley: Ah, maybe I misunderstood your line about "first tried with "aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude""
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11:15<pipe>mbentley: Because that's not in the instructions
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11:15<mbentley>pipe: right, i was reading a blog post i found on google
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11:15<mbentley>then i went to the official instrutions :)
11:15<pipe>an authorative source ;)
11:16<ulrask>Then I don't understand... why aptitude have an argument named "dist-upgrade" if you shouldn't upgrade to the n+1 version with it ?
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11:16<mbentley>well it may work but i'd guess it isn't tested as thoroughly
11:17<jhutchins_lt>Some people feel that apt-get works better.
11:17<daemonkeeper>Actually it is called dist-upgrade only for people too lazy to accomodate with changes.
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11:17<ulrask>? What do you mean daemonkeeper ?
11:17<daemonkeeper>aptitude's dist-upgrade is only accepted for backward compatibility, actually the command is called "full-upgrade"
11:17<daemonkeeper>Since it does not upgrade to new distributions only.
11:18<ulrask>Why doesn't it warn that the command is transitional or deprecated when you use it then ?
11:18<daemonkeeper>It is not deprecated, it is just an older alias
11:18<ulrask>Anyhow, thanks for the tip
11:19<daemonkeeper>Read the man page. It clearly tells you
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11:19<daemonkeeper>This command was originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons, and aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade.
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11:22<ulrask>I feel so old... I still remember when apt-get was a new sid bleeding egde feature and the main crowd had to use dselect...
11:22<daemonkeeper>Oh, this happened one or two days ago, didn't it?
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11:27<ulrask>Back in those days, Duke Nukem 3D wasn't even released yet !
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11:28<daemonkeeper>You ruined my euphemism :o)
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11:28<daemonkeeper>And what now? Duke Nukem Forever comes out.
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11:29<daemonkeeper>I mean Duke Nukem Forever!
11:29<Gathond>daemonkeeper: I'm confident it will be cancelled yet:)
11:29<ulrask>I meant Duke Nukem Forever sorry
11:29<Gathond>if nothing else just for good old times:)
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11:30<daemonkeeper>Maybe they decide to switch engine again or so
11:30<ulrask>DN3D was indeed the last canonical DN released
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11:34<ulrask>Do you think wine could run DN Forever on a HURD OS ?
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11:35<zem_>only if it comes out... there is still time to cancel it
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11:36<ulrask>Yes, there is still a lot lot lot of time to cancel HURD
11:36<andreiberceanu>hi, im followin this tutorial on setting up fetchmail and maildrop. the problem is when i try touch /var/spool/mail/USER debian complains about permissions
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11:38<andreiberceanu>does anyone know how to fix this?
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11:40<bartm>andreiberceanu, that file should be created automatically when receiving an e-mail
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11:41<andreiberceanu>bartm: thats what i thought, but when i run fetchmail, maildrop complains maildrop: Unable to create a dot-lock at /var/spool/mail
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11:45<andreiberceanu>bartm: oh and before that it says dirmake: var/spool/name/USER no such file or dir
11:47<n4mu>question: I have scripts using #!/bin/bash that do not work anymore because dash etc etc.
11:47<n4mu>If I reconfigure dash and "just say no" it works.
11:47<bartm>andreiberceanu, I see that this tutorial is also about mutt. Well, with mutt you can send yourself an e-mail, thereby creating that file.
11:47<n4mu>but, according to: I should simply be able to use /bin/bash in the "old scripts" and learn to use /bin/dash in the new ones
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11:48<bartm>n4mu, scripts with #!/bin/bash still work if you have bash installed
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11:48<n4mu>bartm: I have checked and do have bash installed :/
11:49<bartm>n4mu, install it :)
11:49<n4mu>which is why I'm wondering WTF : ]
11:49<andreiberceanu>bartm: cool :) and how can i do that?
11:49<n4mu>mkay, i'll try "again"
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11:49<bartm>andreiberceanu, read the tutorial :)
11:49<n4mu>bartm: bash is already the newest version.
11:49<n4mu>this is my whole issue
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11:49<Guest609>o have a problem with installation mysql 5.5.8
11:49<n4mu>even "echo $SHELL" says /bin/bash
11:50<n4mu>thanks bartm , I think I found my issue.. (as usual, talking about things like this make me realise some of my pebkacish behaviour, let me confirm)
11:51<andreiberceanu>bartm: but it goes on talking about encryption with pgp, where did you see that?
11:51<bartm>andreiberceanu, I don't understand your question/point. Can you rephrase?
11:51<n4mu>yes, I found it. .. I was calling those scripts using "bin/sh" so this is, as usual, my fault.
11:52<n4mu>bartm: thanks for your eartime though.
11:52<sakrayaami>Hi there, im using Debian Lenny withe Xfce 4.6.2 and i want to upgrade my system up to Debian Squeeze , can you help me?
11:52<bartm>n4mu, no problem
11:52<bartm>sakrayaami, what is the problem?
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11:52<sakrayaami>I want to upgrade lenny to squeeze
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11:53<bartm>sakrayaami, so?
11:53<adb>!lenny -> squeeze
11:53<sakrayaami>! lenny -> squeeze
11:53<bartm>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
11:53<andreiberceanu>bartm: well you said to use mutt to send an email to myself. and when i asked how to do it, you said its in the tutorial. i assume you mean the tutorial link i posted above. and i didnt find this there
11:54<sakrayaami>!lenny -> squeeze
11:54<bartm>andreiberceanu, basic use of mutt, just send yourself an e-mail. I'm afraid that I can't explain all that via irc.
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11:55<bartm>andreiberceanu, another approach is to use "touch" logged in as "root" and then use "chown" and "chmod" to set the ownership and permissions right, but that's slightly more complicated than just using mutt.
11:56<adb>dpkg> Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>.
11:56<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, adb
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11:57<andreiberceanu>bartm: well that would be 2 lines of code. so i guess the mutt thing is a one liner then. couldn't u just paste it?
11:57<bartm>andreiberceanu, try this : echo test | mail username
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11:58<andreiberceanu>bartm: well this didnt return any errors but it didnt create the file either
12:00<bartm>did you use the correct username ? obviously "username" is to be replaced by the username you're using :)
12:00<andreiberceanu>bartm: :) duh
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12:02<andreiberceanu>bartm: no, it was just duh i used the right username. i dunno, its still not working
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12:03<bartm>andreiberceanu, type this : mutt
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12:03<bartm>andreiberceanu, hit "m", enter the username, enter
12:03<andreiberceanu>bartm: yes, now im in mutt
12:04<bartm>enter the subject "test", type a message "test", save and exit the editor, hit "y"
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12:17<moo_>i'm a bit of a newb, and i was wondering if someone could help me out with a question?
12:18<bartm>moo_, no need to ask for help, just ask the real question
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12:18<babilen>moo_: Sure, here have a question: "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
12:18<bartm>babilen, slightly off topic here :)
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12:19<SuperMiguel>so if i was running squeeze before the final release, do i have to do anything on my sources.list? or just run dist-upgrade ?
12:19<babilen>*sniff* .. ok, back to debian support. What can we help you with, moo_ ?
12:19<moo_>k... i just installed a security update, per this advisory Debian Security Advisory DSA-2153-1... i have a custom built kernel. do i need to rebuild the kernel or is it somehow automagically patched by the update?
12:19<bartm>SuperMiguel, should already be ok, but to be sure, pastebin your sources.list
12:21<babilen>SuperMiguel: maybe
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12:21<moo_>babilen, 42
12:21<bartm>cdebootstrap says "E: Couldn't download Release!" when trying to download wheezy. What now?
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12:21<bartm>SuperMiguel, looks good
12:22<babilen>moo_: How did you install the update and could you give me a link to the DSA? How is the DSA related to your kernel?
12:22<adb>bartm, try testing ..
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12:22<bartm>adb, same message "E: Couldn't download Release!"
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12:23<bartm>owww my fault I think, bad url :)
12:23<babilen>bartm: not on your mirror yet?
12:23<moo_>i installed the update using apt-get upgrade, here is the link
12:23<babilen>or that :)
12:23<bartm>retrieving... *blush*
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12:25<babilen>moo_: Ah, ok. How did you built *your* kernel? I would say the easiest solution is to install a Debian kernel (and use it) and don't bother about it again.
12:26<MrMaxKnight>Anybody able to help me out switching a WHS into a Debian build?
12:26<bartm>MrMaxKnight, WHS ?
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12:27<MrMaxKnight>Windows home server, factory installed
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12:27<moo_>i used make menuconfig to configure, and built using make, installed with dpkg
12:27<daemonkeeper>You want to migrate from Windows to Debian (Linux)?
12:28<MrMaxKnight>Basically yes, I was told by a friend that the reason my over lan connection was so slow was due to the WHS being too large for what I was using it for
12:28<moo_>hopefully i don't have to rebuild, but if i do can i do a make oldconfig?
12:28<babilen>moo_: From which sources? And why don't you just use a Debian kernel?
12:28<daemonkeeper>I don't say its not possible, but did you check, all your services are available (or at least exchangeable) for Linux? Think of IIS/ASP, Exchange and so on
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12:29<MrMaxKnight>I was under the impression that I would have to exhange everything in it and break it down as if a new box build
12:29<daemonkeeper>You can unless you use some propietary Windows features.
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12:30<G16>hi every one
12:30<daemonkeeper>What services do you run on your Windows?
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12:30<moo_>debian lenny linux-source-2.6.26 was where i built from back in december. the reason i wanted to use only the modules and compile stuff into the kernel that i actually use and my hardware supports
12:30<dusthillguy>Whoa.... Squeeze is released and is now stable!?
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12:30<daemonkeeper>Two days ago
12:30<dusthillguy>I hadn't even heard the news
12:30<MrMaxKnight>Only the windows page server, but I would rather go with a FTP background server for no local use
12:31<triology>Cheers everybody! Is this the resort for utterly stranded lenny to squeeze upgrades? I have an issues with loop-aes :-(
12:31<daemonkeeper>Would you mind explain me, ignorant Linux ass hole, what Windows Page Server is?
12:31<dusthillguy>Hah hah... aaaaah yeah man. PENIS. I'll probably update my system tomorrow
12:31<G16>whats is the problem ?
12:32<dusthillguy>PENIS FOREVER
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12:32<bartm>mature... pfff
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12:32<triology>g16: I have a _root_ encrypted loop-aes lenny system. And now I'm stuck: The loop-aes-kernel module somehow has disappeared in squeeze and I'm failing to build y new one using the remainder loop-aes-source module
12:32<MrMaxKnight>Apologies, I meant windows domain name service, the HTTP version of my Server outside my network
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12:33<daemonkeeper>Windows Domain Name Service is a HTTP server?
12:33<triology>So: yet i can't reboot my system still running under 2.6.26 asI'm unable to build the loop-aes-module for 2.6.32
12:33<G16>anyone know how to hack web site by metasploit
12:33<MrMaxKnight>it is what it is using for it, yes
12:33<daemonkeeper>Haha, I'd have bet on a DNS server
12:33<daemonkeeper>Anyway, you should be safe to go with Debian. Should be straightforward - make a backup of your data and go by reinstalling your system.
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12:34<daemonkeeper>err wait, do you use ASP/.NET or so?
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12:34<daemonkeeper>On your HTTP server
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12:34<dusthillguy>I was banned from #debian-offtopic for absolutely no reason
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12:35<cahoot>strayed into on-topic perhaps?
12:35<dusthillguy>I tried to ask how people were feeling about the new release of Debian
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12:35<MrMaxKnight>yes, but obviously I want to start from scratch fon my entire system. My main concern would be interconnectability to the computers still running windows or my Xbox360
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12:36<daemonkeeper>You are aware only a subset of .NET features are available on Linux through Mono? If you are, go on. Interconnectivity is no problem, obviously you connect everyday to Linux hosts in the Internet most likely :)
12:37<daemonkeeper>Likewise for your LAN
12:38<MrMaxKnight>Obviously I am not a very knowledgable in the software or networking side, I have only just recently started, I have only worked with hardware before and just thought I would find help with what would be needed prior to destroying my box and having to build a new one
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12:39<MrMaxKnight>and the main problem I have is that it is a remote connection only, I have no video connection or anything so if I go through installing it over my network and make a mistake it will make it where I can't use it anymore
12:39<daemonkeeper>How do you plan to install?
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12:39<DMBoyCloud>Pleas help me, some friend changed his repositories from lenny to squeeze then he did aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade, but when he does lsb_release -a it tells him that It is Lenny.
12:39<daemonkeeper>Generally speaking you should be safe to run Linux and Debian in particular without problems.
12:40<DMBoyCloud>Pleas help me, some friend changed his repositories from lenny to squeeze then he did aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade aptitude full-upgrade, but when he does lsb_release -a it tells him that It is Lenny.
12:40<daemonkeeper>We hear you DMBoyCloud
12:41<MrMaxKnight>Over the network was my plan, but that is why I came here first, but I know with the windows currently running on it I would be safer with a dirct connection and wasn't sure if I should load it on a thumb drive and use a console for install?
12:41<bartm>DMBoyCloud, do you have access to that machine right now?
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12:41<bartm>DMBoyCloud, come back when you do :)
12:41<v1nc3>I've just installed the new debian squeeze release and i can't get wifi to work
12:41<v1nc3>it seems my card is recognized
12:41<bartm>v1nc3, did it work before, with lenny ?
12:42<v1nc3>i don't know
12:42<v1nc3>i was using gentoo
12:42<v1nc3>dual boot now
12:42<daemonkeeper>MrMaxKnight: You can install over the network. Indeed this is the most common way (boot a netinst image and go on). You need physical access obviously (or access to a KVM for remote access)
12:42<DMBoyCloud>My friend dosnt know much about linux and I am not expert, please any help.
12:42<adb> Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>.
12:42<v1nc3>phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware.
12:43<adb>DMBoyCloud, ^^
12:43<MrMaxKnight>How would I do that if I don't have a video card on the server machine
12:43<v1nc3>i have modprobed rt73usb rt2x00usb rt2x00lib
12:43<gsimmons>dpkg: tell v1nc3 -about ralink firmware
12:43<MrMaxKnight>or should i just install one temporarilly for the install?
12:43<daemonkeeper>MrMaxKnight: How did you install Windows? Likewise :)
12:44<MrMaxKnight>Windows was installed on one of the drives when I got it from a friend and I just left it on there when I built the machine around it
12:44<babilen>moo_: Sorry, was afk. Yes, you need to recompile. Are you using some kind of embedded system?
12:44<v1nc3>but still get this message and network-manager does not see wifi networks
12:44<babilen>moo_: I would just use a Debian kernel, or at least use make-kpkg
12:45<daemonkeeper>Well, you can do that for Debian as well. You would need physical access to the drive. Also you can install fully automated using PXE, but that might not be worth the effort for a single system (and you need at least one other host in the subnet)
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12:46<MrMaxKnight>thank you for all your help DaemonKeeper, I think with all you have told me I am a little more confident going forward, I'll install it later and hopefully when finished will let you know how it went.
12:47<daemonkeeper>MrMaxKnight: If you install Squeeze (you probably will) check first if you need a non-free Image
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12:47<v1nc3>wat did you say gsimmons ?
12:47<MrMaxKnight>"non-free image"?
12:48<v1nc3>about dpkg ?
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12:49<gsimmons>v1nc3: Firmware from userspace is required by the rt73usb driver. See the private message from dpkg or for a installation procedure.
12:49<daemonkeeper>Yes, the most recent edition of Debian features only free drivers and firmware. By chance you run on your server a NIC which requires a non-free firmware to establish network connectivity.
12:49<daemonkeeper>This prevents to be installed through the network obviously, unless you use an image which ships those propietary firmwares.
12:49<daemonkeeper>Well, or you provide them through an USB pen drive
12:50<v1nc3>it works
12:50<MrMaxKnight>so check for firmware for all my individual components in the server prior to install, and if I just install it on the hard drive and install it to the server, I will still need the firmware for it afterward?
12:50<v1nc3>thx very muchos gracias
12:51<bartm>another happy debian user
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12:51<daemonkeeper>You can install the required firmware any time, I just warn you since you will require network access to install it (which excludes itself)
12:51<daemonkeeper>This only applies for your network interface card.
12:51<v1nc3>thx gsimmons
12:52<kop>daemonkeeper: I got some sort of "install firmware" warning when I upgraded, I think to a new kernel. I went to another vt and installed it before proceeding.
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12:52<MrMaxKnight>thanks for the heads up, if necessary I have a few network cards lying around hopefully at least one of them can be used with this OS
12:52<kop>daemonkeeper: (As part of the upgrade procedure.)
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12:52<daemonkeeper>MrMaxKnight: If unsure, you can use anyway
12:52<kop>MrMaxKnight: So, after updating your sources.list you can get the new firmware.
12:52<daemonkeeper>kop: He has no Debian yet
12:52<kop>daemonkeeper: Oops. I was upgrading.
12:53<daemonkeeper>kop: Yes, update-initramfs warns you if you do
12:53<retrospectacus>my friend has a laptop that needs ath5k for the wireless. I tried to install Lenny on it a couple months ago and you could see the wlan card during install but couldn not connect to his WPA. Will the Squeeze installer work?
12:53<daemonkeeper>If you install the package /before/ you reboot you are safe
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12:53<kop>MrMaxKnight: Well, then. If you're new to Debian you might find a useful overview of how to get the Debian software that's not enabled by default.
12:54<moo_>no... not using an embedded system. dell server. it's probably a billion times easier to maintain if i just use the "pre-made" debian kernel, but i was trying to keep the kernel and modules as small as possible. in what cases should one build there own kernel? embedded systems definitely makes sense, but what about modern hardware
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12:54<gsimmons>retrospectacus: No, Debian Installer currently does not support installation via WPA.
12:55<MrMaxKnight>KOP: Unfortunately I am not just new to debain but to most all server software and am just trying to play catch up to get my files to start moving faster
12:55<kop>moo_: If there's nothing at then you might consider your own kernel if you don't have the hardware support you need. Otherwise, embedded systems.
12:55<MrMaxKnight><---Dumb Microsoft Lackey
12:55<cthuluh>retrospectacus: wouldn't deactivating WPA be an acceptable solution?
12:56<kop>MrMaxKnight: No worries. You probably want to read the overview just to make a note of your options.
12:56<daemonkeeper>MrMaxKnight: Don't worry. You will be enlightened soon then.
12:56<retrospectacus>not particularly as his room mates and his PS3 and whatnot are already configged to use the WPA
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12:56<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: I guess cthuluh meant as temprorary solution
12:56<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: You need to disable for 15 minutes or so
12:56<daemonkeeper>Just during installation
12:57<retrospectacus>oh, I suppose, or might be able to plug into the router
12:57<kop>moo_: (And use make-kpkg or <ssb> to package your kernel.)
12:57<kop>MrMaxKnight: Just keep asking here.
12:57<MrMaxKnight>daemonkeeper: I can only hope that doing this change over will make the network function as it was supposed to when I initially put the server together and started this mess 3 years ago
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12:58<MrMaxKnight>afk caffeine nicotine break
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13:03<datacrusher>hello, im setting up a debian web server, iv managed to proftpd to use an specific user and lock it up to var/www. Considering i want to use this server as a normal ftp server, wich i would share a /home/myuser/public folder, how do i add new users / groups to proftpd confs?
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13:04<MrMaxKnight>Daemonkeeper: I was going to use utorrent to d/l the Iso what would be the link be for that in comparison to the one you already sent me?
13:05<moo_>thanks for all the info!
13:05<Mark-13>I seem to made my server very cranky... a number of packages seem to have gotten broken/half installed. Its tells me to run apt-get -f install that gets me the "Yes, so as I say!" message
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13:05<Mark-13>if i do contine i get E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100)
13:05<Mark-13>E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
13:05<retrospectacus>I'm updating my sources.list from squeeze to wheezy and not sure what to do with this line: deb squeeze-updates main contrib non-free
13:05<daemonkeeper>MrMaxKnight: It is the same as the official netinst image, it just contains non-free firmware images (in case you would need them)
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13:06<babilen>moo_: Well, I wouldn't bother with a "optimised" (in terms of space (few MBs anyway) on anything that is not an embedded device ..
13:06<MrMaxKnight>so I would only need the firmware-6.0.0 file out of the entire image?
13:06<andreiberceanu>bartm: k, fixed it by hand by creating the file and changing permissions
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13:06<retrospectacus>Mark-13: can you make a pastebin with your sources.list file, the command you run and the entire output
13:06<andreiberceanu>bartm: im off now, tnx
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13:07<daemonkeeper>Yes. But if you want the image *only* there are tarballs around containing those files. Nonetheless you can do a fully featured Debian installation by using this 170 MB ISO
13:07<bartm>andreiberceanu, bye
13:07<daemonkeeper>Just burn it to a CD and go on
13:07<babilen>moo_: optimised self-compiled kernel ... just use the stock one and work on something else. Really not worth the hassle.
13:07<daemonkeeper>You can install from a full blown CD/DVD as well, but there is no need to do.
13:07<Mark-13>never used pastebin (.com i assume) but sure
13:08<bartm>Mark-13, /msg dpkg pastebin
13:08<MrMaxKnight>thank you for the help, I am off now and will probably start going through the guides tonight and get started porting it over tomorrow. will be back if any issues arise...
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13:08<dusthillguy>Is it acceptable to ask how people are getting on with the new release of Debian?
13:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 525] by debhelper
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13:09<dusthillguy>i ask because I'm using lenny
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13:09<bartm>dusthillguy, go ahead, but don't get yourself kicked again :)
13:09<dusthillguy>And am wondering whether I should update now or later
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13:09<dusthillguy>bartm: I have no idea why I was kicked. I can't see how what I said before was grounds for being kicked
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13:10<bartm>dusthillguy, let's not debate that here shall we
13:10<daemonkeeper>dusthillguy: now or later is exactly the same, unless you use a point release which is expected in a month or so.
13:10<retrospectacus>Mark-13: I would recommend you remove (disable) the last 5 lines of that. What are they there for?
13:11<dusthillguy>bartm: Do you mind if I talk to you via PM for a moment?
13:11<Mark-13>not sure myself on most of them
13:11<Mark-13>virtual I know but hte rest no clue when they got added in
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13:12<retrospectacus>just keep the first 4 lines and update and try again Mark-13 but you may be kind of stuck..
13:12<themill>dusthillguy: wiki vandalism isn't appreciated either, btw.
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13:12<Mark-13>still getting the same results
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13:13<Mark-13>can I rip out most verything and reinstall A M P?
13:14<TheFox>what must i do to run losetup with aes256 support under squeeze?
13:15<jthomas_sb>How can I force my history to save? When I log in from MachineA to MachineB and run a few commands and log out, and then sit at that MachineB later, none of the remote commands are in my history
13:16<dusthillguy>Now I understand. Sorry for any trouble caused. I thought you banned me because of my question relating to Squeeze.
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13:17<retrospectacus>Mark-13, you still haven't shown me your apt command and output. Retry it after updating, pastebin the entire thing
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13:20<Mark-13>sorry retrospectacus, E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100)
13:20<Mark-13>E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
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13:21<Mark-13>thats all there is
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13:23<Mark-13>oops I see what you wanted here it is
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13:25<sney>isn't the default shell 'dash' ?
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13:26<bartm>sney, sh is linked to dash yes
13:26<sney>so in theory, if bash were removed, it might not even be a problem
13:26<bartm>sney, but the default shell for users is bash
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13:28<TheFox>what must i do to run losetup with aes256 support under squeeze?
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13:30<javentis>no wheezy packages out as yet ...hmm
13:30<zibi>just a question
13:30<zibi>c i install ubuntu package in debian?
13:30<bartm>zibi, shouldn't do that
13:30<sney>it's not recommended
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13:30<zibi>ok, thnx :)
13:30<zibi>other question :)
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13:30<sney>if you do it, and it works, hooray! if you do it, and it breaks, you're on your own
13:31<javentis>no bartm , apt-get update shows no updates
13:31<babilen>zibi: and it will most likely break -- which package are we talking about?
13:31<sret>hi babilen o/
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13:31<bartm>javentis, that is, for the package you have installed :)
13:31<zibi>alternate solution instead of skype
13:31<johnfg>hi guys
13:31<zibi>babilen: skype
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13:31<babilen>zibi: skype is OK AFAIK
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13:32<babilen>zibi: do you need the 64bit version?
13:32<babilen>should be fine
13:32<johnfg>Right now, the line for NetworkManager in interfaces is commented out. Does that need to be uncommented for the network to come up automatically?
13:32<javentis>im sure sid is already thriving now :)
13:32<johnfg>This is in squeeze.
13:32<babilen>they don't do anything crazy -- just don't add random PPAs, or ubuntu packages :)
13:33<devil>javentis: its kicking left and right ;)
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13:33<javentis>devil, sounds exciting :)
13:33<zibi>johnfg: do you try from command prompt?
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13:34<devil>javentis: not if you are supporting users.
13:34<johnfg>Yes, as it didn't change when I selected network from the System/Network.
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13:34<javentis>i know devil , and i have seen this on aptosid`s channel
13:35<devil>javentis: :)
13:35<johnfg>zibi, You have an idea about it?
13:35<zibi>i have same issue today, but i tired from gnome
13:35<zibi>tired=tried, sorry :)
13:35<javentis>everybody is talking about aptosid today on DW :)
13:36<devil>javentis: some prefer to fix things afterwards instead of reading before taking action
13:36<johnfg>zibi, OK, gonna do a reboot and see what happens...
13:36<sney>johnfg: if you have interfaces set up in /etc/network/interfaces, they will come up automatically regardless of network manager
13:36<devil>javentis: are they?
13:36<gsimmons>johnfg: The interfaces are commented in /etc/network/interfaces in order for NetworkManager to manage them ; /msg dpkg networkmanager squeeze
13:36<javentis>yes devil , lots of comments because both squeeze and aptosid release came on almost same day
13:37<johnfg>sney, They didn't. The gnome desktop gave a popup that said a wireless network was available. I have to click on that to get the network to start.
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13:37<devil>javentis: well, we could either release with debian or wait for some weeks/months until sid stops going bonkers
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13:38<jhutchins_lt>johnfg: Not familiar with gnome, but that should save the configuration for next session.
13:38<sney>it should, yeah
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13:38<sney>didn't realize he was on about wifi, interfaces doesn't handle ap negotiation iirc
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13:39<javentis>i guess it was right time to release devil , those who want stable can use squeeze and the daring ones can use aptosid
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13:43<johnfg>So, can I not use the line for networkmanager in interfaces to give it the information I want it to use?
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13:44<johnfg>Or should I just remove it?
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13:45<sney>johnfg: do you have your wireless options set in interfaces or just the iface wlan0 inet dhcp bit?
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13:46<reklipz>aptosid -- interesting
13:47<sney>hey as long as they don't ask for support in here :P
13:47<reklipz>Why would I chose to switch my laptop from testing/unstable (squeeze, currently) to aptosid over sid?
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13:48<devil>javentis: thxx for the pointer, great reading. i like: "Aptosid: waste of space. No autoDHCP, no installed Flash, can't even listen to Radio1 on the iPlayer. Things have moved on - give up guys and let the pro's do the job." the best.
13:48<sney>reklipz: if you're on squeeze currently, you're using stable.
13:49<reklipz>Did I miss something...
13:49<sney>apparently ^^
13:49<javentis>devil, you are welcome, with every new release users do like to complain for few days :)
13:49<reklipz>Stupid superbowl...
13:49<jhutchins_lt>What's the file or command that tells the name of the version installed?
13:50<reklipz>version of what?
13:50<sney>apt-cache policy packagename
13:50<sney>something he's got installed, presumably
13:50<devil>javentis: or for a few years, in the case of kde4 ;)
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13:50<reklipz>I was thinking: cat /etc/debian_version
13:50<sney>oh yeah that's probably what he meant
13:51<sney>though it just says 6.0
13:51<reklipz>Has sid been branched to wheezy/unstable yet then?
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13:51<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: Debian release name.
13:51<javentis>devil, well, i think they will like kde4 on squeeze now
13:51<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: THat gives the numeric.
13:52<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: Yes, wheezy is testing.
13:52<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: then the rest is for using your brain. 5.0 == lenny, 6.0 == squeeze
13:52<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: unstable still sid.
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13:52<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: yeah, sorry, my mistake there
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13:52<sney>but no, you can't yet install wheezy, afaik
13:52<ira>hello all, I'm trying to boot from live usb but I get a grub error: error file not found, entering rescue mode, grub>rescue
13:52<ira>can you please lep me
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13:52<ira>help me
13:53<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: I know I have squeeze, what I wonder is if the version name has changes from squeeze/sid.
13:53<sney>ira: what live usb?
13:53<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: the name isn't synonymous yet then
13:53<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: I don't recall seeing base-packages update.
13:53<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: I don't know that.
13:54<ira>sney: i have downloaded the hybris i386 kde image and use the instruction ( cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb1)
13:54<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: ah, I'm not sure. you could determine which package provides /etc/debian_version and look at it's src in sid
13:54<sney>ira: did you check the integrity of the iso file?
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: There is a method/file that has the name in it.
13:54<sret>when do i need to do a kernel update next?
13:54<sret>when is it advisable to do so
13:54<ira>sney: the iso has been downloaded just fine
13:55<amphi>/etc/debian_version is from base-files
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13:55<jhutchins_lt>lsb-release -c says squeeze
13:55<sney>ira: did you check the md5sum
13:55<ira>no :(
13:56<sney>do it, grub error on a live image sounds like a corrupt download
13:56<javentis>mmm pathological is a nice game :)
13:56<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: you're saying that /etc/debian_version may or may not be definitive, right? and that checking it may not be correct.
13:57<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: No, it's definitive, but it was 6.0 when squeeze was testing, so it doesn't tell me if I'm fully upgraded to stable yet.
13:57<reklipz>sudo aptitude dist-upgrade ought to do that...
13:57<sney>change your apt mirror to ftp.* and do a full upgrade
13:57<reklipz>unless you have some odd package pinning going on
13:57<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: Yeah, especially if I'm running Ubuntu and use sudo.
13:57<ira>sney: I've cheked it and its ok :( i'm affraid is a grub issue...
13:58<sney>ira: hmm, ok. how long did it take to write the iso to your usb stick?
13:58<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: wait.. what? you're trying to dist-upgrade to a debian release from an unbuntu release?
13:58<ira>not very much, less than a minute i think....
13:58<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: I'm pretty sure the mirrors have achieved sync by now though, so I should be fine. It's just that this system is going out of town without me for a week.
13:58<sney>reklipz: he's just making fun of your
13:58<ira>sney : not very much, less than a minute i think....
13:59<sney>ira: it probably didn't finish, try it again and this time run 'sync' a bunch of times afterwards
13:59<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: Real Debian men use su -.
13:59<ira>sney: ok
13:59<sney>and aptitude complains if you use dist-upgrade, the proper command is full-upgrade
13:59<reklipz>who says I'm a man?
13:59<sney>vague internet majorities
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14:00<jhutchins_lt>reklipz: Who says I'm real?
14:00<reklipz>jhutchins_lt: ah, a figment of my imagination I see.
14:00<reklipz>I must have a pretty powerful imagination.
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14:01<toad>how do i tell grub what the root is? it is detecting a backup rather than the actual root
14:01<ira>sney: should i use mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 and then mount it?
14:01<toad>and there seems to be almost zero documentation
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14:01<sney>ira: huh? why would you mkfs?
14:01<fossiiil>the source should be self-documentating
14:01<reklipz>so now that squeeze has been released, the only updates to packages are security updates, right?
14:01<toad>fossiiil hey this is not gentoo :)
14:01<ira>sney: to format my usb stick
14:01<sney>security and whatever they're calling volatile now
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14:02<sney>ira: writing the iso image to it formats it, you don't need to format twice
14:02<reklipz>so my wacom is eternally broken. :/
14:02<ira>sney: ok, thanks
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14:02<toad>if i install grub2 and then run update-grub it detects the wrong LV for root
14:03<toad>also it's not asking me about chain loading, even when i reconfigure it
14:03<javentis>reboot time, brb
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14:03<toad>i think it broke on install
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14:03<dpkg>Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
14:03<toad>aha, reconfigure grub-pc
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14:04<sret>just wondering, why is it ddebian mostly has pkgs a step backwards, its not always the latest ?
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14:04<sret>though most distros have the latest, meaning they ignore certain bugs or whatever?
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14:05<reklipz>sret: because.... it makes sense?
14:05<reklipz>sret: aptosid
14:05<sret>in what way though
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14:05<sney>don't answer sret's questions, you'll be here all day
14:05<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
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14:05<sret>sney: lol
14:05<reklipz> has a good outline of the topic
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14:05<jhutchins_lt>sret: Yes, I would say that's a good assesment, other distros ignore bugs.
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14:06<reklipz>What does everyone think of this space theme?
14:06<toad>hmmm, now it finds the wrong root in two different places, and still cannot find the right root
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14:06<sret>sney: the only time i kept guys here all day was when i had that gdm issue and alsa:P
14:06<toad>how do i just TELL GRUB WHERE THE ROOT IS?
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14:07<sret>jhutchins_lt: ok thakns, reklipz
14:07<reklipz>I would really like to be able to install my gdm themes (shiki-colors, arc-colors, gnome-colors, whatever the gdm package is named), for gdm3.
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14:07<sney>should be able to just edit the relevant options in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
14:07<babilen>reklipz: everybody loves it and eagerly waits for the t-shirt to arrive in a web-store ...
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14:07<reklipz>babilen: I know those are my feelings exactly.
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14:08<babilen>reklipz: (no irony btw)
14:08<toad>hmmm, it looks like it did in fact find it, it's just confusing me
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14:08<reklipz>irony, or sarcasm?
14:08<sney>I do want that t-shirt
14:08<babilen>reklipz: both
14:08<reklipz>I fail to see the irony, but okies.
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14:08<sney>neither, I think he meant
14:09<reklipz>oh, ...
14:09<reklipz>I guess that could make sense then
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14:09<babilen>reklipz: It could have been understood as "everybody hates it, and they even have t-shirts doh!" which is not the way i meant it.
14:09<reklipz>I still wouldn't mind being able to use my old gdm theme
14:09<babilen>sney: yeah, neither
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14:10<babilen>reklipz: gdm works just fine on squeeze -- use it until gdm3 is a sane login manager
14:10<reklipz>update-alternatives ?
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14:11<reklipz>how do I install gdm without removing gnome-desktop-environment? or will it just remove the meta package and not all of the depends?
14:12<sney>it will most likely just remove the metapackage
14:12<babilen>"aptitude install gdm gdm3-"
14:12<reklipz>nope, gonna remove all of it
14:12<DMBoyCloud>man aptitude
14:13<acu>what is the difference between gdm and gdm3 (except that there are no choices on logins skins etc for gdm3 )
14:13<babilen>reklipz: Oh, I don't know. I am not using these meta-packages. You might want to install "gnome-session" (the smallest of the metapackages) and aptitude unmarkauto from there
14:13<dpkg>GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/ #gnome-debian on GNOME-related IRC channels:
14:13<DMBoyCloud>GDM3 let you in to your desktop without wellcome screen.
14:13<babilen>acu: huh?
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14:14<dpkg>somebody said gdm was the <GNOME> Display Manager, a <display manager> based on <xdm>, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. #gdm on Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>.
14:14<babilen>acu: /msg dpkg <factoid.
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14:15<reklipz>installing gdm marks gdm3 for removal, which marks gnome and gnome-desktop-environment for removal
14:15<babilen>reklipz: Is that a problem?
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14:16<reklipz>yeah, I want to keep gnome and gnome-desktop-environment
14:16<babilen>You don't need those metapackages.
14:16<reklipz>well, accepting that solution removes all of the meta's dependencies
14:16<reklipz>how to auto mark them as manually installed
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14:16<babilen>well, that is the problem ..
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14:17<babilen>I would install "gnome-session" (small metapackage) and "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" other packages. (strategically chosen)
14:18<babilen>reklipz: I was (positively) surprised that only the metapackages were marked for removal and not their dependencies.
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14:19<reklipz>babilen: I may, it's not worth my time right now for just getting a gdm theme
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14:20<acu>reklipz, of course it does - the design is half of the drive - utility is the other half
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14:26<ziller>debian releases always catch me by surprise
14:27<sney>it's a once in a lifetime event
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14:28<cjhmdm>hello, what would be the simplest method of getting sound to work with a usb sound card? The one I have works with everything but debian squeeze (including mac os x 10.5 and 10.6)
14:28<cahoot_>cjhmdm: see what card# it has - cat /proc/asound/cards
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14:30<cjhmdm>cahoot: ~# cat /proc/asound/cards --- 1 [default]: USB-Audio - USB PnP Sound Device --- C-Media Electronics Inc. USB PnP Sound Device --- at usb-0000:00:1d
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14:31<cjhmdm>cahoot: the card is also listed in the volume mixer as "USB PnP Sound Device (Alsa mixer)" but I get no sound at all aside from motherboard beeps ><
14:31<cahoot_>cjhmdm: try alsa force-reload (as root) see if gets to be card0
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14:32<cjhmdm>cahoot: nope, still the same output for cat /proc/asound/cards
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14:34<cahoot_>cjhmdm: try this: (as root) echo -e "options snd-usb-audio index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf, then alsa force-reload again
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14:36<abdulelah>i'm trying to install Realtek HD Audio driver using the Alternative Method here : , but what it's did is deleting my old driver and not install the new one
14:36<cjhmdm>cahoot: nope, nothing :(
14:36<cahoot_>cjhmdm: still card1 in cat /proc/asound/cards ?
14:37<cjhmdm>cahoot: yep, still same output
14:37<cahoot_>cjhmdm: see if unplug/replug the device does any change
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14:38<cjhmdm>cahoot: still the same output, still no sound ><
14:39<Aleric>While upgrading a debian/stable box to the latest stable, I'm being flooded with: manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct
14:39<cahoot_>cjhmdm: try speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D plughw:1
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14:39<jordanm>Aleric: thats normal for release upgrades, safe to ignore unless you continue to have the problem after
14:40<cjhmdm>cahoot: I get sound for that
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14:40<cahoot_>cjhmdm: the cards works but for some reason it gets to be the 2:nd sounddevice (i e not default) from alsa's POV
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14:42<cjhmdm>cahoot_: when I run lspci, I get an output for: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller --- but I am 100% positive this motherboard has no onboard sound whatsoever
14:42<cahoot_>seems there is one anyway
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14:43<cahoot_>possibly disabled in BIOS but still found by the kernel and gets to be card0
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14:44<cahoot_>you could try to give snd-hda-intel index -1 in alsaoptions.conf and reload alsa again
14:44<cjhmdm>no, I mean there isn't onboard sound on this one at all ><
14:45<cahoot_>your system disagrees
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14:45<sney>cjhmdm: I guess since the audio controller is part of ICH now, the circuitry could be there without any output jacks.
14:45<cjhmdm>this is my board:
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14:46<cjhmdm>it has an MIO slot to add a card, but the MIO card it does not have ><
14:46<sney>or it's on a video card, some of them have audio along with hdmi output
14:46<cahoot_>cjhmdm: lsmod | grep hda
14:46<sney>ah, yeah, there you go.
14:46<cahoot_>cjhmdm: snd-hda-intel shows up?
14:46<sney>the mio card would just have some realtek dummy chip and the audio jacks, the actual controller is in your southbridge and thus detected by the kernel
14:46<cjhmdm>snd_hda_intel 16895 0
14:46<cahoot_>you could try to give snd-hda-intel index -1 in alsaoptions.conf and reload alsa again
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14:47<abdulelah_>i'm trying to install Realtek HD Audio driver using the Alternative Method here : , but what it's did is deleting my old driver and not install the new one, means there's no Audio Card now
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14:47<javentis>how safe it is to use deborphan?
14:47<cahoot_>cjhmdm: echo -e "options snd-hda-intel index=-1" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf, then alsa force-reload again
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14:48<ziller>javentis: I've never hd a problem with it
14:48<cjhmdm>still nothing ><
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14:48<cahoot_>cat /proc/asound/cards
14:48<cjhmdm>same output
14:49<cjhmdm>lsmod | grep hda has the same output as well
14:49<javentis>ziller, so do you use it frequently?
14:49<cahoot_>modprobe -r snd-hda-intel
14:49<sney>cjhmdm: I bet if you go into the bios and disable any option for integrated sound controller, and try again, it'll work
14:49<cjhmdm>snd_hda_intel 16895 0
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14:49<cahoot_>modprobe -r snd-usb-audio, reload alsa yet again
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14:51<ziller>javentis: no, not really. usually only for post install cleanup stuff
14:51<cjhmdm>FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio is in use.
14:52<javentis>ziller, i guess its ok to use it if one knows what is being removed
14:52<cahoot_>kill speaker-test, unplug/replug
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14:53<cjhmdm>still get the same FATAL message
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14:53<cahoot_>cjhmdm: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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14:54<cjhmdm>Specified filename /dev/dsp* does not exist.
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14:54<cahoot_>that's ok
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14:54<cjhmdm>still the same fatal
14:54<cahoot_>cjhmdm: fuser -v /dev/snd/* (as root)
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14:55<cjhmdm>I did that as well
14:55<cjhmdm>I also get the fatal with my usb sound device unplugged ><
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15:01<dduncan>question - I am wanting to obtain the just-became-unsupported etch, so to match the production system of a client - where is the best place to get netinstalls of unsupported releases - this would be for i386
15:01<cjhmdm>cahoot_ sney: I'm going to look through my bios and see if I have any configurable settings for hd audio
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15:01<dduncan>I just started with the client, and they will be upgraded later, but for now I wanted to match what they have
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15:02<dduncan>I would be installing it in a VirtualBox 4.0.2 VM
15:02<dduncan>thank you
15:02<gass>hello there
15:02<dduncan>plain didn't provide an obvious-to-me link to older versions ... will look at archive
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15:03<ansgar>dduncan: The netinst images still seem to be present. You then have to use instead of during the installation.
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15:04<dduncan>okay, good to know
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15:05<mc68040>dduncan: installers are on too
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15:05<gass>hey ... i got a problem when upgrading a samba server from lenny to squeeze. Users can't access some folder, saying permition denied
15:05<dduncan>I'm having a look
15:05<gass>or cant see their files
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15:06<gass>do you know anything about it? i see in debian news some notes about auth, but they access it
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15:09<abdulelah_>i'm trying to install Realtek HD Audio driver using the Alternative Method here : , but what it's did is deleting my old driver and not install the new one, means there's no Audio Card now
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15:18<abdulelah_>i'm trying to install Realtek HD Audio driver using the Alternative Method here : , but what it's did is deleting my old driver and not install the new one, means there's no Audio Card now
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15:20<cahoot_>abdulelah_: reinstalling you kernel would resurrect you original alsa
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15:23<abdulelah_>cahoot : how ?
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15:27<Aleric>Upgrading 'stable' SHOULD be painless no?
15:27<cahoot_>abdulelah_: maybe using module-assistant is more elegant
15:27<Aleric>What a horrible mess.
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15:28<cahoot_>Aleric: even though you followed upgrade instructions?
15:29<Aleric>Um, what upgrade instructions? I just did apt-get dist-upgrade
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15:29<cahoot_> /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
15:29<DMBoyCloud>Hey take a luck at this.
15:30<cahoot_>reading release notes might been an idea
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15:30<DMBoyCloud>It's my personal web.
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15:30<abdulelah_>cahoot : didn't fix it
15:31<cahoot_>abdulelah_: how do you know?
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15:31<abdulelah_>there's no audio card
15:31<cahoot_>abdulelah_: try alsa force-reload
15:32<gass>anyone here knows why mt gives error: mt: invalid count value
15:32<abdulelah_>Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).
15:32<abdulelah_>Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload).
15:32<gass>in a tape drive?
15:32<cahoot_>abdulelah_: modprobe snd-hda-intel
15:33<abdulelah_>WARNING: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko': No such file or directory
15:33<abdulelah_>FATAL: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko': No such file or directory
15:33<abdulelah_>WARNING: Error running install command for snd
15:33<abdulelah_>WARNING: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko': No such file or directory
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15:34<Aleric>cahoot_: Ok, I didn't do that :/ ... The problem now is that when I boot the installed 2.6.32, my video card stops giving a signal and I can't login remotely either (somewhere while it's printing stuff related to udev I think)... I managed to get back here by booting 2.6.26. Is there a way to recover from the current state it is in?
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15:35<abdulelah>cahoot : what now ?
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15:37<cahoot_>Aleric: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze - maybe that helps
15:37<Aleric>I just did that...
15:37<Aleric>But I can't boot into 2.6.32
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15:38<Aleric>This is an old PC
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15:38<Aleric>The kernel that I have installed is: i A linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs
15:39<Aleric>The kernel that DOES work is: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
15:39<osubuckeye>is it normal for flash videos to be laggy when in full screen?
15:39<Aleric>I can imagine that this "modern PC" kernel is the problem.
15:40<Aleric>I think this is an AMD K7 box
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15:43<Habstinat>Any reason I should be getting this, and is there anything I can do to fix it? (Lenny) . Here is the relevant syslog text: . Thanks ahead of time for help.
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15:44<Habstinat>(Ignore the sudo: unable to resolve host bit, that doesn't have to do with the server not restarting)
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15:45<Aleric>Well, I guess I just won't use 2.6.32 then :/
15:45<amphi>Aleric: /proc/cpuinfo would tell you what cpu it is
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15:46<Aleric>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
15:47<Aleric>But apparently k7 was dropped and I should use a 686 kernel... but that doesn't work :/
15:47<amphi>perhaps you must try linux-image-2.6-486
15:48<Aleric>nah, not for an athlon
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15:48<Aleric>>uname -r
15:49<amphi>*shrug* - I would try the 486 one
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15:50<Aleric>I think there's nothing wrong with the kernel anyway, but with the initrd.img :/
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15:51<Aleric>How can I recreate /initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 ?
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16:14<And1>Hey folks, how to disable automount-stuff in nautilus/gconf-editor, please? Not using gnome, just nautilus...
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16:15<jose__>hola, esta es la comunidad de debian en español ?
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16:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:16<amphi>jjsalazar: ^^
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16:16<jjsalazar>gracias Xd
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16:22<ziller>are there any manufacturers that still make linux netbooks?
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16:25<brotozoan> ziller
16:25<ziller>i've looked there
16:26<ziller>that's a desktop btw
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16:26<brotozoan>Ah, netbook.
16:27<jhutchins_lt>ziller: I just got an Acer one and nuked Vista.
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16:28<ziller>jhutchins_lt: everything's good? drivers and all?
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16:34<amphi>ziller: ISTR reading about a sony ARM netbook that comes with android on it, that you could replace
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16:35<amphi>ziller: toshiba, actually
16:36<ziller>actually I wouldn't mind having android as long as it wasn't a bad piece of tech
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16:36<ziller>like those earlier tablets
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16:37<amphi>"The beautifully designed and executed hardware is very close to my ideal netbook, and it's hardly an exaggeration to say that I'm heart-broken by Toshiba's cocked-up Android implementation. The best one can hope for is a firmware rescue from the open source community"
16:37<Aleric>Seems my videocard shuts down during boot due to something called 'drm' or 'nouveau' .. is there is a way to turn those off with a kernel parameter?
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16:38<amphi>Aleric: that is X stuff - can you get to a text VT with alt-ctrl-F1 ?
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16:38<Aleric>amphi: no
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16:39<amphi>not even if you do alt-sysrq-r before?
16:39<planet8>I have noticed some new processes running in squeeze. "sync_supers", "scsi_eh_3" and "async/mgr" what are those? Where can I locate them and possible disable them? I hate when unknown processes are running in the back.
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16:39<Aleric>amphi: I press those all three at the same time?
16:39<amphi>Aleric: yes
16:40<amphi>and then try alt-ctrl-F1
16:40<Aleric>I have no video signal...
16:40<Aleric>I'll try
16:40<amphi>planet8: those are kernel threads/processes, I believe
16:42<amphi>!blame nvidia
16:42*dpkg blames stoffepojken and nvidia for the end of life as we know it
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16:43<Aleric>This is a (normally) headless box, without X11 installed.
16:43<Aleric>I should just keep a normal console
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16:43<planet8>amphi, is it possible to locate information specific to those processes, I can't find anything other than patches.
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16:44<amphi>no idea
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16:47<ety> /server
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16:47<Aleric>[22:47] <Aleric> Ah!
16:47<Aleric>[22:47] <dpkg> I'm glad you understand, aleric
16:47<Aleric>I said that in the wrong window ;)
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16:48<Aleric>So.. Ah! ;) ..I just rmmod nouveau and drm.. and now I have video signal! :)
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16:48<amphi>Aleric: heh
16:48<Aleric>So, I just have to blacklist those modules... how to do that again...
16:48<amphi>Aleric: oops, I hadn't realised there was a kernel nouveau module, sorry
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16:48<dpkg>In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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16:49<amphi>Aleric: you may want blacklist-initramfs
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16:57<diego>how are you_
16:57<daemonkeeper>Hi diego, do you have a question?
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16:58<diego>what is ssh?
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16:59<dpkg>[ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty>, <cygwin>, <niftytelnet> and MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>, <ssh-copy-id>.
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17:00<andreiberceanu>hi, how can i check the logs of ssh? i connected to a machine and forgot the ip, and cant find it in my bash history either..
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17:01<daemonkeeper>What are you looking for in particular?
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17:03<diego>how can you installer ssh?
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17:03<daemonkeeper>diego: dpkg told you
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17:08<amphi>diego: there is also #debian-es for support in spanish, if you prefer
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17:08<planet8>andreiberceanu, did you delete your bash history?
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17:09<andreiberceanu>planet8: nope. but i trie the command history|grep ssh and found nothing
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17:10<daemonkeeper>bash has a limit to store the last 100 (or so) commands in history.
17:10<daemonkeeper>Unless you change HISTSIZE
17:10<daemonkeeper>No HISTSIZE was zsh
17:11<daemonkeeper>What's the env for bash called? Maybe someone knows
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17:11<planet8>andreiberceanu, perhaps you logged in from a different console.
17:12<andreiberceanu>planet8: not, but for sure i typed more than 100 commands in the past 2 days, since i last used ssh
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17:12<planet8>andreiberceanu, must be busy at the console then :)
17:12<daemonkeeper>Well, not really.
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17:12<daemonkeeper>If you are used to the shell that is not so much
17:13<andreiberceanu>planet8: oh yea. i just installed debian squeeze in fact. ive been using gentoo and ubuntu until now
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17:13<planet8>I use the shell daily using git, perhaps 100 commands daily isn't that much.. haven't counted
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17:13<andreiberceanu>anyway, guys, is there any way i can recover that ip
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17:14<daemonkeeper>No, not out of a log
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17:14<planet8>andreiberceanu, so it's another installation all together?
17:14<daemonkeeper>You could look in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts but that one uses crypted hosts on Debian by default.
17:14<daemonkeeper>So this won't help you
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17:15<kwazar>hello all
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17:15<kwazar>how can I install `multimedia` meta package from squeeze? it's unclear for me
17:16<daemonkeeper>You mean the multimedia repository by chance?
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17:17<planet8>kwazar, linux standard base?
17:17<andreiberceanu>planet8: no, i used ssh after installing squeeze
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17:17<planet8>andreiberceanu, nothing is kept in the logs
17:18<amphi>!tell kwazar -about dmm
17:18<kwazar>I mean, one of the 'Pure Blends' which are new in 6.0; I'm interested in groups of software in it
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17:19<planet8>kwazar, "aptitude search multimedia" will show you what are available.
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17:24<andreiberceanu>ok tnx
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17:25<kwazar>assume I want all software groups listed here:
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17:25<kwazar>can I install them all at once?
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17:26<hsa2>i am trying to install debian 6.0.0, i downloaded cd image but i have dvd as media
17:27<nevyn>hsa2: you only really need the netinst cd
17:27<hsa2>nevyn, no, i want to do a offline installation
17:27<nevyn>if your system is going to be vaguely online during the install.
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17:27<nevyn>then the dvd image will be more convienient than 12? cd's
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17:28<hsa2>nevyn, can't i install with 1 cd image?
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17:28<ml|_>hsa2: that's fine burn the cd iso on that dvd media you have
17:28<nevyn>hsa2: not if you want an offline install.
17:28<nevyn>well it depends what you want to install offline
17:29<hsa2>i will install base and gnome offline and do rest online
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17:30<hsa2>the thing is, i get an error while installing
17:30<hsa2>installer says it detects media but after choosing additional installation options (in expert mode) it says content can't be copied
17:30<hsa2>it does the same thing when i try to install from usb
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17:32<devil>nice nick
17:33<hsa2>oh god
17:33<hsa2>sha1 doesn't match
17:33<hsa2>at least now i know my problem :)
17:34<ml|_>before you burn again make sure they match thiss time and after burning ;)
17:34<Dunkelzahn>Situation: debian on a laptop, boot seperate partition, /, /usr, /var normal on lvm, /home, swap on dm-crypt, debian is booting and prompting for password for crypted partitions. Problem: Seems like keyboard not responding. Anyone an idea?
17:35<hsa2>i am re-downloading now, but meanwhile i have a question
17:35<hsa2>i can install from usb stich with unetbootin right?
17:36<Tiff>Dunkelzahn: you won't see any visual cues when typing the password at those prompts. You're aware of this, right?
17:37<devilman>i removing kde4 and installing gnome in squeeze in one laptop toshiba tecra t9100
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17:37<Dunkelzahn>Tiff: right, i'm aware of this, even when i hit enter and not typed anything, it should report a bad password, but nothing further happens, stays at the prompt
17:37<Dunkelzahn>and oh sorry forgotten to mention it is running on a macbook pro 5,5
17:37<ml|_>hsa2: that should work, but there is also a debian way.. /msg dpkg usb install
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17:43<huntingbears_>hi, has anyone succeeded in the process of modifying the aspect of gnome-panel through gconf-defaults?
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17:51<Talon^>how do I get synaptic into debian 6.0 squeeze?
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17:51<ml|_>install it
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17:51<Talon^>aptitude install synaptic says no candidate
17:52<Talon^>what magical name is it under lol
17:52<amphi>'synaptic' it would seem
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17:52<Talon^>i don't even have network manager
17:52<amphi>why not use aptitude?
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17:52<amphi>what do you mean 'even'?
17:53<hsa2>yay sha1sum correct this time!
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17:53<ml|_>!congratulate hsa2
17:53<dpkg>Yay hsa2, you did it!
17:53<Talon^>im missing stuff i use regularly and i have no clue the "proper" name to get them with aptitude, and just using aptitude to browse around sucks
17:53<jsubl2>aptitude search synap <- got several hits with that phrase Talon^
17:53<amphi>Talon^: wicd works well for me and others, whereas n-m seems to give rise to much wailing and rending of garments
17:53<Talon^>i did not jsubl2
17:54<Talon^>I have NO hits for synaptic
17:54<jsubl2>i did
17:54<amphi>Talon^: aptitude search whatever
17:54<ziller>when in doubt: "aptitude search"
17:54<Talon^>my "results" are touchpad mice drivers
17:55<Talon^>xfree86 and xorg
17:55<retrospectacus>those are "synaptics"
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17:55<amphi>no 'synaptic - Graphical package manager' entry?
17:55<Talon^>its not there
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17:55<ziller>i've had this problem in the past
17:55<devilman>change the repo
17:56<ziller>i just don't remember what the problem was
17:56<amphi>judd: versions synaptic
17:56<judd>Package synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; sid: 0.70; wheezy: 0.70
17:56<ziller>err; the solution
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18:02<Talon^>what do i need to add to my sources.list?
18:02<retrospectacus>let's see it
18:02<Talon^>i currently have the cd, and
18:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
18:02<ml|_>and maybe try a different mirror also
18:03<Talon^>this is crazy, my "testing" unstable install of squeeze/sid was fine, i had all this stuff, but "stable" can't find jack
18:03<devilman>apt-get update???
18:03<Talon^>done that
18:04<ziller>unless for some reason you have to install offline, I'd suggest trying netinstall
18:05<ziller>I remember the offline install having issues that the net install didn't
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18:05<Talon^>I don't have the internet speeds to net-install
18:05<ziller>for whatever reason I have no idea
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18:06<ziller>(my top dl speed is 79kbps. you should be fine if you're getting more than that)
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18:07<amphi>Talon^: unless you bought CDs/DVDs, netinstall is better, because you don't d/l anything but what you want
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18:08<Talon^>my install isn't the issue
18:08<Talon^>i just want a graphical package manager and gnomes networkmanager to be able to configure my sharing with other computers here in this room
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18:09<amphi>why can't you install gnome's network manager?
18:09<Talon^>same reason i cant install synaptic
18:09<Talon^>aptitude or apt-get can't find it
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18:11<amphi>Talon^: can you pastebin your sources.list ?
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18:12<Talon^>yea thats right
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18:13<Talon^>i just commented the CD one so it quit asking on apt-get update to insert the cd
18:13<ompaul>Talon^: apt-cache search synaptic returns what exactly?
18:13<ompaul>Talon^: you did an apt-get update after you commented out those lines didn't you?
18:14<Talon^>synaptics touchpad driver for X.Org server
18:14<Talon^>yes ompaul
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18:14<devilman>gnomenu in squeeze??
18:14<ompaul>synaptic - Graphical package manager
18:15<ompaul>gsynaptics - configuration tool for pointing devices (transitional package)
18:15<ml|_>'squeeze-updates main' is the right? shouldn't it be just 'squeeze'
18:15<Talon^>i didn't make the sources.list
18:15<Talon^>the CD did for me
18:15<amphi>Talon^: line 8 should be, I think, 'deb squeeze main'
18:15<Talon^>I just comented out the cd thing, during the install it asked about net-update stuff and asked if i wanted to use a mirror, i chose a mirror
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18:16<Talon^>then its the cd's fault it messed up, i'll try it
18:16<amphi>Talon^: try changing it, and updating
18:16<ml|_>Talon^: try what amphi said and aptitude update and try again
18:16<amphi>Talon^: if it is useless, you can easily revert the change
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18:17<Talon^>apt-get and aptitude use the same sources.list ?
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18:17<Talon^>well update seems to be taking a VERY long time so it must be catagorizing some stuff
18:17<ml|_>just wait ;)
18:18<Talon^>that fixed it, installin synaptic now
18:18<ml|_>!congratulate Talon^
18:18<dpkg>Yay Talon^, you did it!
18:18<Talon^>note to self: manually enter your own sources
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18:18<ml|_>Talon^: do the same for line 9, if you did not already do it
18:18<ziller>learn something new everyday
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18:19<Talon^>oh i did both at the same time :)
18:19<ml|_>great, enjoy :)
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18:20<amphi>Talon^: that would seem to be a bug - what generated your sources.list?
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18:20<ml|_>he said the cd did
18:20<babilen>amphi, ml|_, Talon^: I haven't read the complete backlog, but line 8 is perfectly fine. Talon^ just didn't add *any* mirror. See
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18:21<babilen>And read the release notes :)
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18:21<marcin>hi all :)
18:21<Talon^>during my install, it said it found my network and that i can add mirrors to update my installed software and warned it could take a long while, i went ok with it, it gave me a menu with a buncha mirror choices, i chose and that was it, it finished installin, installed grub, booted, and I came in askin for help about synaptic
18:21<retrospectacus>hi marcin
18:21<marcin>please help. i need apach and apache-common i386 from etch
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18:22<marcin>where i can download this files ? is any archive repository ?
18:22<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
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18:22<amphi>babilen: are you sure about that? why does it now work, with 'deb squeeze main' rather than 'deb squeeze/upodates main' ?
18:22<daemonkeeper>Actually I think, archive is better
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18:23<babilen>Talon^: yeah, I don't blame you. I just wanted to prevent you all from removing the "stable-updates" lines because they are perfectly fine. If you paste your sources.list I can edit them.
18:23<marcin>dpkg: thank you :)
18:23<dpkg>marcin: sure thing
18:23<ml|_>babilen: < Talon^>
18:24<retrospectacus>marcin: what daemonkeeper said, also
18:24<babilen>amphi: stable-updates (and squeeze-updates for squeeze) is volatile in squeeze
18:24<babilen>ml|_: those are not the actual ones, but well, they'll do :)
18:24<amphi>babilen: right; you still need a 'squeeze main' line also, no?
18:24<themill>amphi: correct; but there's no point in removing volatile
18:25<ml|_>I'm confused, is this something new
18:25<babilen>amphi: Yes, that line was missing and should be added. I just wanted to say that squeeze-updates is perfectly fine and shouldn't be removed
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18:25<amphi>babilen: ah, ok
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18:25<babilen>ml|_: Yes, it is new. volatile is now "stable-updates" in general and "squeeze-updates" in particular
18:26<mib_kvbcm8>hi, i have installed debian lenny and how can i upgrade it to debian squeeze?
18:26<Talon^>yay! I got network manager and synaptic now
18:26<amphi>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
18:26<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>.
18:26<Talon^>now i'll have an easier time installin the rest of the stuff i want/need
18:27<mib_kvbcm8>amphi: i am really really new to debian, can you please show me how?
18:27<amphi>mib_kvbcm8: READ THE <squeeze release notes>
18:27<ml|_>Talon^: all you need to do is now is re-add line 8 and 9 from you previous pastebin like babilen suggests
18:27<babilen>Talon^: Do you need contrib and non-free? Or rather: do you plan to install non-free software like flash?
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18:28<mib_kvbcm8>ok, let me google it.
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18:28<mib_kvbcm8>ok amphi.
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18:28<ml|_>and yes non-free and contrib are helpful ;)
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18:28<amphi>ml|_: 'evil' shurely ;)
18:28<Talon^>umm, prolly cause i know i need some proprietary stuff like nvidia drivers for my gfx card, broadcom drivers for my wireless card, practically can't surf the web without flash, everythings flash.
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18:29<ml|_>amphi: please ;)
18:29<Talon^>so just add contrib and non-free along with main ?
18:29<babilen>themill: Do you know if squeeze-updates has non-free too?
18:29<babilen>Talon^: One second please
18:29<themill>I presume so
18:29<themill>there's no reason why it would not
18:30<Talon^>eh, i'll be back later if i run into more problems, right now im happy i got synaptic n stuff, dinner time anyways, afk for a while :)
18:30<babilen>themill: The release notes just lists "main contrib"
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18:31<babilen>themill: ah, wonderful. thanks
18:31<babilen>Talon^: ← use this and "aptitude update" afterwards
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18:32<mib_kvbcm8>squeeze is stable now, right?
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18:38<subdeuxed>Hi all
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18:39<subdeuxed>I have some questions about installing Squeeze, I was wondering if I might get some help from this crowd
18:39<retrospectacus>good chance. Just ask
18:40<subdeuxed>OK, I downloaded the installer CD and was able to make it to the language select screen. Unfortunately, my keyboard doesn't work at that point
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18:40<ziller>i9s it plugged in?
18:41<subdeuxed>the kbd works up to the initrd running I guess, because I am able to select what I want at the initial CD boot menu
18:41<subdeuxed>yes, kbd is def plugged in and I've even tried unplugging it and plugging it back in
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18:42<subdeuxed>So i investigated online and found something with what seems like an identical issue, although on a different sys architecture
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18:42<subdeuxed>^ That's the thread I found
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18:42<subdeuxed>It seems he was able to get his kbd working in the debian-installer by booting off a custom installer CD with all the USB modules loaded
18:43<subdeuxed>So I'm in the process of making my own installer CD...
18:43<subdeuxed>using this guide:
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18:44<subdeuxed>But, while I'm at it, I figured I would try and add the kernel module I need for my wifi adapter to the install
18:44<sarvad>I have squeeze with Gnome. If I switch to xfce/lxde/openbox, would they be considerably faster? Any #s to prove this theory?
18:45<ichdasich>sarvad: try. does not cost you anything
18:45<ichdasich>use what you like the most.
18:45<ziller>sarvad: on lesser hardware; probably. on newer hardware; maybe not very noticeable.
18:46<subdeuxed>So I'm wondering if it's as easy as putting the source for my driver in /usr/src/modules and running make-kpkg modules_image from the kernel source directory
18:47<sarvad>yeah..I am willing to try..but would the results be same, if I just install xfce-desktop/lxde-desktop on top of the gnome I currently have? Or do I have do a clean install of squeeze with these different desktops?
18:47<subdeuxed>Well, basically, I'm wonder if in the info in that debian guide is what I need to do in order to add a custom package to my debian install CD
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18:47<hsa2>ml|, i installed debian YAY! :)
18:47<hsa2>but i can't connect to internet :P
18:48<hsa2>during installation installer said i can install closed drivers for my wifi adapter, but when i choose install, it waited for sometime and then asked again :)
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18:49<ziller>sarvad: no. the only difference is the harddrive space it takes up
18:50<sarvad>ziller : so no gnome stuff gets loaded, when I load say LXDE ?
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18:50<ziller>I don't know about LXDE, but xfce shares a few things with gnome iirc
18:50<sarvad>some time ago I remember when I had xfce and gnome together, when I loaded xfce I did see some gnome stuff
18:51<sarvad> gdm/gnome-shell etc.
18:51<ziller>it's not the same as running a complete gnome desktop
18:51<sarvad>that's why I was asking if the results be apples-apples, if I install lxde on top of gnome, as opposed to clean lxde install
18:51<ml|_>!congratulate hsa2
18:51<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies hsa2, you did it!
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18:51<hsa2>ml|, now i expect further help
18:52<daemonkeeper>You /expect/?
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18:52<hsa2>how can i configure dns?
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18:52<ziller>give it a shot, but if you're really looking for speed I can suggest openbox with LXPanel
18:52<hsa2>i am surprised there is no networkmanager by default
18:52<daemonkeeper> /etc/resolv.conf in general /etc/network/interfaces if you use resolvconf
18:53<Dark0n3>Hi guys, any ideas on howto install make 3.80 on debian lenny instead of make 3.81 ?
18:53<daemonkeeper>Don't at all if you use dhcp
18:53<daemonkeeper>and there is a network manager
18:53<daemonkeeper>apt-get install wicd (or so)
18:53<sarvad>yeah..probably I'll install all of them and try...and purge the ones i don't like later
18:53<sarvad>needs time..just was wondering if anyone has experience in doing such a thing
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18:53<sarvad>ziller : yeah...speed is what I am after...on the 10+ year old COmpaq pc
18:54<hsa2>daemonkeeper, i don't know what i am using
18:54<sarvad>currently running squeeze with's acceptable when I am not running much..but with iceweasel couple of tabs open, it's as slow as snail
18:54<hsa2>i installed by default options
18:54<ziller>sarvad: in that case i'd suggest going with a minimal install
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18:54<ziller>then adding lightweight DE components as you see fit
18:55<daemonkeeper>hsa2: Maybe install wicd, if you feel comfortable with a graphical network manager. Otherwise try to edit /etc/resolv.conf
18:55<hsa2>i edited resolv.conf (which wasn't there, so i created) then started networking
18:55<ziller>(probably starting with OB and LXpanel)
18:55<Dark0n3>Anyone, its maybe not so easy ?
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18:55<hsa2>daemonkeeper, when i try 'ifconfig wlan0 up' i get SC*FLAG: No such file
18:56<daemonkeeper>Uhm, how? :)
18:56<hsa2>may i be needing drivers?
18:56<hsa2>for my wifi adapter?
18:56<daemonkeeper>Maybe you miss a driver, yes. But I am curious about your message
18:57<daemonkeeper>What do you have?
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18:57<hsa2>daemonkeeper, Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
18:57<hsa2>is this what i need :)
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18:58<daemonkeeper>You may need firmware-iwlwifi
18:58<hsa2>iwlagn is a module for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN and 6250AGN series of devices. This driver is included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27 and present in Debian kernel images since 2.6.28
18:58<hsa2>daemonkeeper, it says it's already included :S
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18:59<Dark0n3>Ok not possible i guess.
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18:59<daemonkeeper>hsa2: But not the firmware
18:59<ml|_>hsa2: lspci -nn | grep -i network
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18:59<hsa2>ml|, what i paste was it's output
19:00<hsa2>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [8086:0083]
19:00<ml|_>judd: pciid 8086:0083
19:00<judd>[8086:0083] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also
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19:00<Onryo>looks like Ill be back to Debian. 100% blob free! Good going. OK now for the kicker... is there ANY 100% blob free drivers for a GTX460 card???
19:00<daemonkeeper>As said ... :)
19:01<themill>!pal Onryo
19:01*dpkg points at Onryo and laughs hysterically
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19:01<Onryo>If not Ill just use an other card
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19:02<nevyn>it might work with neuvue or however it's spelt.
19:02<nevyn>that one.
19:02<ml|_>worth a try ;)
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19:03<Onryo>Yeah I was looking a bit at them. They said on their IRC they did not not think that they would work with Debian. I just buy a new card if that is the case.
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19:03<babilen>wouldn't nouveau also need firmware (if firmware is needed for the proprietary ones) ?
19:03<nevyn>so you require a card with firmware on rom of the card?
19:03<nevyn>or a card with actual open firmware or nofirmware?
19:04*nevyn thinks the firmware thing is a problem for free software.
19:04<ml|_>babilen: it either works or it does not, is my understanding
19:04<retrospectacus>!blame the hardware manufacturers
19:04*dpkg blames jpon and the hardware manufacturers for the end of culture as we know it
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19:05<Onryo>I will only use a card that is using open firware. I am from the world of OpenBSD but think it is a pain as a desktop OS.
19:05<nevyn>but I dunno that forcing us back to the bad days of buggy firmware that you can't upgrade makes things better.
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19:05<nevyn>it's also more expensive.
19:05<daemonkeeper>nevyn: Or change things at all. Just because the firmware is in a ROM it does not make things free or different.
19:05<nevyn>Onryo: I think your best bet is intel.
19:06<nevyn>daemonkeeper: right but there seems to be this.. if you don't touch it then it's ok exception.
19:06<nevyn>but if you have to upload it it's "more" non-free somehow
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19:06<daemonkeeper>nevyn: A bit ridiculous, but I don't want to discuss this in #debian, since I appreciate Debian's choice for Squeeze.
19:07<ml|_>Onryo: if you just need a 2d card and older/cheap nvidia card should do; as they should work with nv or nouveau
19:07<Onryo>I know Intel is helping out with Sandy Bridge and is helping out with but I thought that you needed their compiler for some things.
19:07<nevyn>daemonkeeper: sure. I think applying pressure is the right thing to do.
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19:07<daemonkeeper>nevyn: That's my point. Do you apply pressure or just make it a pain to users? I mean come on, netinst images without a working NIC driver?
19:08<daemonkeeper>(Yes I know about non-free ones)
19:09<Onryo>Sadly I use CUDA a lot with pryrit ... I am more then willing to move to ATI stuff if they are available as open code.
19:09<nevyn>daemonkeeper: and vendors trying to do the right thing. but constrained by legaslative regulation etc.. are treated worse than those with completely closed in rom firmware that don't help with drivers.
19:09<daemonkeeper>Onryo: OpenCL?
19:10<Onryo>sure why not. OpenCL works fine with pyrit
19:10<Onryo>Maybe you can recommend a card for Debian?
19:10<daemonkeeper>Onryo: I think ATI or AMD now supports OpenCL as well for their $CUDAclone
19:11<Onryo><3 so ATI does have blob free code?
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19:12<daemonkeeper>I don't know about ATI drivers, don't get me wrong. I just mentioned ATI has something equivalent to CUDA (forgot its name) that might be accessed through OpenCL
19:12<Onryo>It is assessed though OpenCL =)
19:12<Onryo>Well can be at least
19:12<debugger>daemonkeeper:i just joined can you please explain me what you are talking so i can join the conversation?thanks in advance
19:12<hsa2>debugger, SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
19:13<daemonkeeper>hsa2: Did you install the firmware I mentioned?
19:13<hsa2>daemonkeeper, isn't it installed by default :S
19:13<hsa2>daemonkeeper, sorry, i should have missed
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19:13<babilen>debugger: Is there anything we can help you with?
19:14<daemonkeeper>debugger: Onryo is about to find a video graphics adapter that runs without non-free binary firmware
19:14<hsa2>firmware-iwlwifi right?
19:14<debugger>the best ideea is to make one
19:14<daemonkeeper>hsa2: <daemonkeeper> You may need firmware-iwlwifi
19:14<debugger>if he has enough motivation
19:14<ml|_>hsa2: also read what judd said above
19:14<daemonkeeper>Or the Wiki Link ...
19:14<babilen>yeah, lets all work on our own fab!
19:15<debugger>making a fab for linux hardware
19:15<debugger>might be crazy enough
19:15<debugger>to work
19:15<babilen>but people ... isn't this rather suited for -offtopic?
19:15<debugger>but we are rebel kids
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19:15<Onryo>lol, I would love too but after 30h decompiling the code in SofeIce I had to give up.
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19:16<debugger>im about to write a yast spin-off
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19:16<debugger>for debian
19:16<ziller>learning so many things today
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19:16<hsa2>i installed firmware-iwlwifi and going for reboot, wish me luck
19:16<daemonkeeper>Uhm, isn't there a "package yast for Debian" project?
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19:16<babilen>debugger: yast the suse horror?
19:16<debugger>i will just write it for myself
19:16<ziller>if there wasn
19:16<ziller>there is now
19:17<csotelo>Hi, I have a problem with my xorg
19:17<csotelo>I have updated my pc and now I dont have sort, and when I do apt-get install, apt sayme that xorg is broken, any help plz
19:17<daemonkeeper>Seems orphaned though
19:17<babilen>daemonkeeper: *phew*
19:17<Onryo>any way I got my wife nagging at me. I got to go. Just wanted to say that I love you all for sticking to your guns and riding GNU/Linux of the blobs! Peace out guys/gals!
19:17<debugger>apt-get install -f xorg-server
19:17<debugger>this is the problem with white people
19:17<debugger>isnt life good enough to live it without a wife?
19:18<babilen>debugger: What are you talking about? Do you actually have a Debian question?
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19:18<Onryo>... good question debugger =P
19:18<babilen>!tell csotelo -about bat
19:18<debugger>but actually there are no people asking something
19:18<babilen>csotelo: Please paste the information dpkg just asked you about
19:18<debugger>so talking will make us look busy
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19:19<ziller>i have a question
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19:19<babilen>debugger: Please, this is not a social channel. We have #debian-offtopic for that. And there *are* people asking, they just drown in the blabber-flood
19:19<ml|_>debugger: please talk all you want in #debian-offtopic
19:19<ziller>what are your thoughts on Debian/FreeBSD
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19:19<debugger>actually debian freebsd is pretty good
19:20<debugger>a fast and robust kernel
19:20<debugger>with an awesome os
19:20<debugger>but imma personally be loyal to linux
19:20<debugger>i have good memories with this kernel
19:20<daemonkeeper>ziller: Feel free to follow babilen's suggestion for debugger
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19:20<babilen>ziller: yay! another kernel! debian truly is the universal operating system. mmmh, zfs and pf. not quite ready for the desktop AFAIK ... (want more thoughts?)
19:21<babilen>ziller: If yes → -offtopic or ask the kfreebsd people in #debian-kbsd
19:21<debugger>babilen,be an alpha a man.say your toughts.dont ask to tell them
19:21<debugger>set yourself free bud
19:21<csotelo>I have tried apt-get install -f xserver-xorg, but dpkg told me that packages has dependences uns....
19:21<csotelo>packages broken
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19:21<debugger>maybe you just upgraded with crappy repositories?
19:22<debugger>it happened me twice
19:22<csotelo>I am working with sid
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19:22<babilen>csotelo: yes, I need to see the output and the respective package versions. dpkg just told you what to paste. is there anything that you need help with? or that should be explained in more detail?
19:22<hsa2>i am now connection from debian :P
19:22<babilen>debugger: stop it please
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19:22<debugger>csotelo,try apt-get install -f
19:22<daemonkeeper>csotelo: For Sid you can expect to have unmet dependencies from time to time
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19:22<ml|_>csotelo: yes, that is broken in sid atm; ride it out or fix it ;)
19:23<csotelo>I usuallly help with package mantaining.. just a begine.. I have sid on my pc
19:23<csotelo>I cant copy and paste, because I am on text mode
19:23<babilen>csotelo: I wouldn't recommend using sid to beginners.
19:23<debugger>i think ubuntu is better than debian when it comes to new users
19:23<babilen>csotelo: You can user "pastebinit"
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19:23<hsa2>when i aptitude update i get error >
19:23<babilen>debugger: Not necessarily.
19:24<csotelo>babilen: i am begoiner on package mantaining but older on debian... :D but it is the first time on this problem
19:24<ziller>babilen: it's probably a better leaning experience, but if that's a reason then there's no reason not to jump into LFS i suppose
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19:24<debugger>ok guys gotta go
19:24<debugger>thanks for the awesome talk
19:24<debugger>keep being awesome
19:24<ziller>bye debugger
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19:25<retrospectacus>don't you worry
19:25<csotelo>babilen: It is the first time on this problem on 6 years :S
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19:26<ml|_>csotelo: been using sid for six years?
19:26<hsa2>any idea for me ?
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19:26<csotelo>I have tried apt-get install -f, but dpkg tell me anything
19:26<babilen>hsa2: second, just opened the link. :)
19:26<csotelo>4 years using sid with out problem
19:26<csotelo>6 on debian
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19:27<devil>csotelo: still looking for a solution?
19:27<csotelo>well... I have tried all taht you recomend me ..
19:27<babilen>hsa2: wtf? can you give more information? (release, package version, what the hell you've been doing prior to this, ...) :)
19:27<csotelo>devil: right.... loking for the solution
19:27<hsa2>babilen: i have just made a clean debian installation, and that's all :)
19:28<devil>csotelo: the only working one for now is:
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19:28<devil>csotelo: the squeeze bit on page 2
19:29<csotelo>dpkg told me that xserver-xorg depends on xserver-driver-video xserver-driver-input but that packages wont be installed
19:29<dpkg>csotelo: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
19:29<csotelo>devil I am on sid
19:29<hsa2>babilen: may it because of sources.list?
19:29<devil>csotelo: aptosid, as the name might hint, is sid
19:29<csotelo>wel... I am on text mode...
19:29<babilen>hsa2: Which image was that? Still, give more information please. What changes have you made? This is really a pristine install without *any* changes?
19:30<devil>csotelo: and?
19:30<babilen>hsa2: What is so special about your sources.list?
19:30<devil>csotelo: where is the problem?
19:30<csotelo>devil, let me look for it... hey.. I am getting lost on teh chat :s
19:30<hsa2>babilen: i used first cd image for installation and only change i made is commenting cd source on sources.list and uncommenting network sources and installing wifi driver
19:31<babilen>csotelo: You might have to downgrade some of those packages and put them on hold for the while being. Or just put them on hold.
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19:31<babilen>hsa2: And aptitude was never working?
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19:31<hsa2>babilen: no, i downloaded driver manually and installed with dpkg -i
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19:32<csotelo>devil.. you get on troubles... I feel like a dumb ( how to get downgrade )
19:32<babilen>hsa2: May I see your sources.list -- and where did you download a driver and which one?
19:32<devil>csotelo: after 4 years of sid, this is easy
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19:32<babilen>hsa2: aptitude wasn't working right from the start?
19:32<devil>csotelo: all you have to do is follow what the thread says
19:33<csotelo>devil, is something that I have never donde before
19:33*csotelo is feeling like a dumb
19:33<devil>csotelo: first time for everything
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19:33<hsa2>babilen: and
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19:34<hsa2>babilen: i didn't try aptitude before, because this is first time i have an internet connection
19:34<csotelo>give a 5 minutes for do that
19:34<babilen>hsa2: you couldn't install that with aptitude because it was broken right from the start?
19:34<babilen>ah, ok
19:35<babilen>hsa2: Ah, easy .. your sources.list are broken ..
19:35<devil>csotelo: i will walk the dogs and come back to you in ~ 15 mins before i crash out
19:36<hsa2>babilen: i see missing protocols now, but how? it's default?
19:36<csotelo>devil: nice
19:36<hsa2>i added 'http's and now aptitude seems to work
19:37<babilen>hsa2: No, shouldn't be missing. where do you live and do you plan to install non-free software?
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19:38<daemonkeeper>babilen: He does, he needs firmware-iwlwifi
19:38<babilen>ah, ok ...
19:38<ml|_>hmm, second person with sources.list problems
19:38<hsa2>babilen: I am from Turkey and yes, i plan to do so
19:38<ml|_>hsa2: this should do ...
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19:39<babilen>hsa2: ah, merhaba
19:39<hsa2>:) merhaba
19:39<hsa2>Are you from Turkey as well? Or is it just a warm welcoming word :)
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19:41<babilen>the latter
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19:41<hsa2>ml|_: i replaces 'us's with 'tr' and it's faster :P
19:41<babilen>hsa2: And you might want to use the sources.list ml|_ gave you but replace the "us" with "tr"
19:42<hsa2>babilen: we're thinking the same way :)
19:42<babilen>it's not that far fetched
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19:42<hsa2>huh, i installed xchat, brb, web client is not nice :)
19:42<ml|_>yes, that was before we knew you where from Turkey; congrats anyways! :)
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19:43<hsa2>heh, that's better :)
19:43<babilen>welcome back
19:43<hsa2>thanks :)
19:44<hsa2>now, i need networkmanager and networkmanager-applet
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19:44<hsa2>are they included in sources i added?
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19:44*ml|_ mumbles wicd ;)
19:44<babilen>don't you want to use wicd?
19:45<babilen>ml|_: ;-þ
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19:51<ziller>later doods
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19:51<hsa2_>i installed network-manager and it did blow my existing connection :P
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19:52<amphi>hsa2: ml|_'s mumbling was to no avail, I see
19:53<hsa2>i don't like wicd
19:53<hsa2>network-manager or netcfg, i prefer
19:53<devil>csotelo: did it work?
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19:54<hsa2>now, another question, how can i install nvidia's closed driver?
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19:55<amphi>!nvidia dkms
19:55<dpkg>[nvidia dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. See also <nvidia>.
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19:57<hsa2>amphi, what about google-chrome? :)
19:57<amphi>dunno - I use midori
19:57<csotelo>nice---- I have again xorg..... :D
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19:58<devil>csotelo: good
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19:59<devil>csotelo: please read what apt wants to do before hitting enter. sid will be stormy for weeks
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20:09<hsa2>hello again
20:10<hsa2>i installed compiz but can't find ccsm package
20:10<devil>hsa2: you want chromium-browser
20:10<hsa2>compizconfig-settings-manager is its name, damn
20:10<hsa2>devil, actually no, i want google chrome but can't find it and installed chromium
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20:10<devil>well, good for you :)
20:11<csotelo>devil, are you there...
20:11<csotelo>thanks for your help
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20:11<csotelo>I am really gratefull
20:11<devil>csotelo: no prob
20:11<csotelo>I am on gnome again :D
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20:12<devil>well, thats a hard fate, but is coloured ;)
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20:12<csotelo>devil, yeah.... easier for work too, at leat for me
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20:14<devil>i call it a night, its getting really late.
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20:28<piffey>anyone having key errors when running apt-get update on lenny?
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20:29<daemonkeeper>Can you show us your apt-cache policy?
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20:29<daemonkeeper>Key errors occur when using external/third party repositories
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20:31<piffey>I just added backports the other day.
20:32<daemonkeeper>I see
20:33<daemonkeeper>You get "'W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: EA8E8B2116BA136C'"?
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20:33<piffey>No, I get: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny)
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20:34<piffey>I noticed a trusted.gpg and a trusted.gpg~ file in /etc/apt
20:34<piffey>the one with the tilde is larger, didn't know if something didn't mv there or what
20:34<Tiff>hmm, I'm getting key errors from myself also... just checked.
20:35<daemonkeeper>That's interesting. Did you drop debian-archive-keyring?
20:35<Tiff>something's up
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20:35<piffey>Tiff: ahhh, maybe a mirror issue then?
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20:35<Tiff>deb squeeze-backports main contrib non-free
20:35<daemonkeeper>No, I guess your problem is different to Tiffs
20:35<Tiff>that in my sources
20:36<Tiff>daemonkeeper: the problem is the same, that's why I'm mentioning it.
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20:36<piffey>same error?
20:36<Tiff>this isn't a settings issue, it's something else
20:36<daemonkeeper>Tiff: Do you get the warning that's mentioned in the wiki, or actually the same as piffey?
20:36<showtime>full-upgrade bad idea ?
20:36<Tiff>I literally just refreshed my sources based on this conversation and am getting invalid key errors.
20:37<daemonkeeper>showtime: No*
20:37<daemonkeeper>* most times
20:37<piffey>phew, cool, glad it's not me. haha. thought i'd finally ironed out this server.
20:37<Tiff>W: GPG error: squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <>
20:38<Tiff>its mirror issue
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20:39<showtime>I full-upgraded my unstable debian and it uninstalled all my xorg packages, because apparently they depend on some virtual package something-video-abi :( help
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20:40<amphi>you have to learn to say 'no' to aptitude ;)
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20:41<Tiff>"unstable" is the clue.
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20:41<Tiff>Don't run it if you don't know how to manage packages.
20:42<daemonkeeper>xorg is broken right now, I heard before.
20:42<daemonkeeper>(As general advise: It is no good to do unstable upgrades shortly after a stable release)
20:43<amphi>or testing ;)
20:44<babilen>daemonkeeper: The reason for the x breakage in sid
20:44<daemonkeeper>Thank you
20:45<daemonkeeper>So showtime, this is for you :)
20:45<showtime>ty !!
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20:50<showtime>So all I can do now is wait for like a week and then aptitude full-upgrade again and hope there's a fix?
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20:51<daemonkeeper>showtime: You could install the last version that worked, that might be messy to downgrade.
20:51<showtime>Dang.. I need to use the X server now to get my GUI program for tomorrow's assignment done ;_;
20:52<showtime>daemonkeeper: How do I go about that_
20:52<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
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20:52<daemonkeeper>Maybe you have a complete working set for X in your cache
20:53<showtime>So what kind of command would I have to enter to install the previous version of xserver-xorg-core?
20:53<daemonkeeper>Its not a "command" is a whole bunch of tasks
20:53<babilen> /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
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20:53<daemonkeeper>Yes, that one.
20:54<daemonkeeper>Check first whether you have there an older version for everything needed to bring X in a consistent state. Otherwise go on with snapshots.
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20:55<daemonkeeper>If you have some newer packages already that depend on the newer version of X, you might indeed need to downgrade.
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21:02<chealer>showtime: you would better reinstall stable or testing
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21:05<babilen>not testing
21:06<micove>he could also DL the packages xserver-xorg-video/input packages from experimental that got removed .... and reinstall from unstable the rest that got removed
21:06<showtime>chealer: Can i change my sources.list and downgrade without loosing too many settings and keeping my home folder? or is that a bad idea?
21:06<showtime>or what is the ETA on xorg breakage fix in sid?
21:07<daemonkeeper>It is a bad idea to downgrade. Reinstalling by keeping /home works easily if you have /home on its own partition
21:07<daemonkeeper>Regarding the fix: No ETA, but should not last to long
21:08<showtime>how long
21:08<chealer>showtime: you could probably, but you would need to know how to deal with that. you can reinstall and keep your home folder
21:08<daemonkeeper>Well, most like within the order of few days. Please note sid is not supported in any way.
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21:08<babilen>micove: are you sure theynwere uploade to experimental first with the broken lintian checks?
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21:09<showtime>and my friend keeps recommending I install a few packages from experimental like gcc 4.6 and so on... :s
21:10<babilen>showtime: bad advice
21:10<daemonkeeper>Probably don't trust everyone
21:10<babilen>not even yourself!
21:10<Tiff>especially not yourself. :P
21:11<babilen>.oO( man, i removed xorg again! why do I keep doing that? )
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21:15<babilen>Ok, but this doesn't help. Given that sid's xorg is in an inconsistent state there is not much showtime can do with the install candidates. the only two options (AFAICT) are downgrade or waiting until the situation is resolved
21:16<micove>I did tested the experimental packages earlier the only changes was installed the new libdrm-nouveu1a package and uninstalled libdrm-nouveu1 and xserver-xorg-video-nv .... it was in a non production system
21:17<micove>I should not type and eat at the same time. Those typos and grammar errors. heh.
21:17<babilen>micove: so those packages have been uploaded to experimental, but were rejected from sid when uploaded there again?
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21:21<babilen>Guest657: VATTENE VIA ALTERNATIVA!
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21:24<micove>I'm not sure which packages got rejected so I can't comment on that. But some of the packages (xserver-xorg-video-radeon for example) in experimental are from 3-4 months ago.
21:26<daemonkeeper>micove: According to babilen xserver-xorg-input-acecad_1.4.0-4
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21:27<daemonkeeper>Well actually
21:27<daemonkeeper>Pretty much everyone :)
21:27<babilen>A bunch of packages actualy. That mail was just the reply from Cyril -- Check
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21:34<micove>Oh saw the list now. The one in experimental are at least one debian revision lower (most are one revision lower but did not check them all) so they should get upgraded when those get accepted.
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21:43<babilen>packages do not transition from exp to sid
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21:50<hpepevod>hi guys
21:51<hpepevod>so testing - > wheezy stable -> squeeze right?
21:53<dondelelcaro>hpepevod: now, yes
21:53<daemonkeeper>lenny -> oldstable
21:54<hpepevod>great, during the freeze of squeeze, prior the major release did the "testing" release receive any updates
21:55<hpepevod>or just critical fixes and bug fixes
21:55<daemonkeeper>Not since its freeze (except RC fixes)
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21:55<hpepevod>so prior the major release there was no difference between squeeze/testing and testing
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21:56<daemonkeeper>Depends on the state you compare. :)
21:56<babilen>squeeze was testing until the release
21:56<babilen>or testing was squeeze
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21:57<hpepevod>my collage says that during the freeze new software was pushed in testing but not in squeeze, which doesn't make any sense to me
21:57<daemonkeeper>He's wrong
21:57<babilen>it does not
21:57<hpepevod>*he is reading all of this ;)
21:57<babilen>get a free beer :)
21:57<hpepevod>thank you all :)
21:58<daemonkeeper>testing is no more than a symlink to the codename for the distribution being that a given point in time
21:58<babilen>it is quite literally a symlink :)
21:58<hpepevod>yeah that's what I tought
21:58<hpepevod>ln -s FTW :)
22:00<hpepevod>so from his machine:
22:00<hpepevod>the sources are set to wheezy but lsb_release says squeeze
22:01<hpepevod>it's because of the mirrors right?
22:01<babilen>don't upgrade to wheezy (or sid fwiw) *right now*
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22:02<hpepevod>thanks a lot
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22:03<hpepevod>just for fun does anyone here work for HP?
22:03<daemonkeeper>(Maybe put a hint in the topic until this is fixed, since this will affect a vast majority of unstable users, even if this is not supported here)
22:04<flaccid>there is nothing fun about that.
22:04<hpepevod>maybe to you
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22:04<flaccid>no, to anyone.
22:04<flaccid>you must have a mental health problem if not
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22:05<hpepevod>let's leave it at that
22:05<daemonkeeper>Since it is off-topic here anyway.
22:06<hpepevod>good night to everyone and thanks again
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22:07<flaccid>anyone here work for IBM? j/k
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22:08<daemonkeeper>Why don't you ask something funny, like "anyone working for Oracle" if your kidding :o)
22:08<flaccid>hehe thats a bigger doozy!
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22:10<babilen>uh, oracle my arch-enemy. (/me worked for SAP for a while) </OT>
22:11<Habstinat>Any reason my Ethernet cable wouldn't be recognized in Squeeze but would work fine in Lenny?
22:11<flaccid>we got ex oracle engineers, a lot of the good ones
22:11<flaccid>Habstinat: driver change
22:11<babilen>or missing firmware
22:11<babilen>Habstinat: "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" please :)
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22:12<acu>howto show line number in nano ?
22:12<acu>nano -c filename does not work
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22:12<daemonkeeper>oh babilen, I guess this is why you speak German.
22:13<babilen>daemonkeeper: → -ot :)
22:13<Habstinat>babilen: Invalid arguments. What are the repository URLs for nonfree drivers?
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22:14<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
22:14<babilen>!non-free sources
22:14<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
22:14<babilen>Habstinat: Invalid arguments?
22:14<acu>!nano line option ?
22:15<babilen>acu: no idea "set number" in vim
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22:15<acu>vim requires to many neurons :)
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22:17<SuperMiguel>sup sup
22:17<Habstinat>babilen: Never mind. 03:08.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller [8086:1064] (rev 04)
22:18<micove>nano -c , works fine with version 2.2.6-1 and no ~/.nanorc
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22:19<babilen>Habstinat: "modprobe -r e100 ; modprobe e100 ; dmesg|tail -10" to please
22:19<acu>micove: indeed nano shows line - but I wanted an option whereby the number of each is shown on the right column
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22:20<Habstinat>babilen: Hopefully they won't be too long as I have to type this all into my phone (which I am chatting from now).
22:20<babilen>why don't you tell me
22:20<babilen>no need to type all this :)
22:21<babilen>Just check if it looks OK or if you get errors .. but i'm off now ... other fine people in here will take over. good luck!
22:22<daemonkeeper>judd: pciid 8086:1064
22:22<judd>[8086:1064] is '82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e100' in squeeze. See also
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22:22<Habstinat>Alright. So I get a command not found for modprobe, which is a problem because I don't have Internet and can't download it, and I get no errors on the dmesg bit. Anyone willing to help from here?
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22:22<daemonkeeper>You must be root
22:23<babilen>nite all
22:23<daemonkeeper>Gute Nacht, babilen
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22:25<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Thanks. How would I install / apply that driver if I can't connect to the internet on this machine?
22:25<daemonkeeper>Well, what happens on modprobe?
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22:26<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: I don't have modprobe installed. Would I have to transfer the .deb via USB?
22:26<daemonkeeper>You surely have. Make sure you are root
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22:27<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Yup, I wasn't root, sorry. Trying those again now.
22:28<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: No output for either of those.
22:28<daemonkeeper>Well, thats good.
22:28<daemonkeeper>what tells you dmesg?
22:29<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: I can't copy paste, so what would be the important bit that I should retype on my phone :P?
22:30<daemonkeeper>Nothing in particular. The last 4-5 entries should indicate whether the driver was loaded successfully
22:30<micove>kernel module e100 should be in firmware-linux-nonfree
22:30<acu>is there a way to print only one window instead of entire screen in gnome ?
22:31<daemonkeeper>Oh, here you are Habstinat. You need to download that package and install it
22:31<micove>or at least I remember something about it when compiled and kept a local version of that package
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22:32<daemonkeeper>mhm Habstinat NIC isn't listed there
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22:32<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: Ok. Where can I find a .deb or other easily transferrable to USB file of the driver?
22:32<breadtk>Anybody use IRSSI here?
22:33<daemonkeeper>Habstinat: follow my link, you will be pointed to a download location
22:33<breadtk>Does anybody know if there is a "grep" equivalent for /list in IRSSI?
22:33<jello>!tell Habstinat about firmware images
22:33<daemonkeeper>But we are discussing yet, whether this one actually helps you.
22:33<breadtk>think /list | grep deb
22:33<jsubl2>!tell jsubl2 about firmware images
22:34<daemonkeeper>jsubl2: You can use /msg
22:34<daemonkeeper> /msg to dpkg I mean
22:35<micove>mmm it mentions Intel 82559 D101M microcode (e100/d101m_ucode.bin) and three other e100 related things ... maybe that is what I actually remember heh
22:35<daemonkeeper>judd said it would be a [8086:1064] is '82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ. dunno if that matches
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22:36<daemonkeeper>Anyway, won't hurt to give it a try. There is nothing better matching.
22:36<jsubl2>daemonkeeper: got it thanks.
22:37<babilen>no! dmesg would contain something about the missing firmware + filename. </comment>
22:38<daemonkeeper>We don't have dmesg output yet :)
22:38<daemonkeeper>Since it is a pain to Habstinat to type.
22:39<daemonkeeper>I did
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22:48<Habstinat>daemonkeeper: babilen: Thanks for all your help, but I should be getting to sleep now. Looking forward to discussing this further tomorrow.
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22:49<johnfg>hi guys
22:49<jello>!greet johnfg
22:49<dpkg>Hi there, johnfg
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22:49<johnfg>just got back from driving out in the Gallatin valley, Montana blizzard.
22:49<johnfg>I'm still not getting the network right in squeeze.
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22:52<johnfg>Here's what I have in interfaces for lenny:
22:52<jello>johnfg: care to elaborate?
22:52<johnfg>Of course I'm not running network manager in lenny.
22:52<jello>johnfg: looks reasonable, what's the problem?
22:52<johnfg>What I need to do is get the network straight so I can get kerberos, openldap and openafs working in squeeze.
22:53<jello>what do you mean "get the network straight"?
22:53<johnfg>jello, Are you running network manager or did you uninstall it, per the suggestion from dpkg?
22:53<jello>that config should work fine under squeeze?
22:53<jello>johnfg: i don't run network manager
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22:55<johnfg>jello, Yeah, I think that's my problem. I'll try uninstalling it.
22:55<jello>johnfg: i use wicd
22:55<SuperMiguel>whats the replacement of unrar?
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22:55<jello>SuperMiguel: why is it being replaced?
22:56<SuperMiguel>is not on the repo
22:56<jello>SuperMiguel: non-free
22:56<jello>make sure you have non-free in your sources.list
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22:56<jello>!rmadison unrar
22:57<johnfg>jello, Is all I need to install network-manager-gnome?
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22:58<jello>johnfg: network-manager too, i think
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23:01<johnfg>Gonna reboot. Chat in a sec.
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23:04<SuperMiguel>good program to read chm??
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23:08<johnfg>jello, Yup, that did it. I guess network manager's just too buggy, yet.
23:09<jello>SuperMiguel: xchm perhaps?
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23:10<jello>or chmsee
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23:17<anarchos>if i wanted to set zfs_enable="YES" on each boot, where would i stick that?
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23:18<sney>probably in /etc/grub.d somewhere
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23:19<jmarsden>or /etc/default/grub
23:22<anarchos>me confused :P. trying to get zfs working on kbsd using a freebsd tutorial :P
23:22<jello>anarchos: is that a kernel boot option or an environment variable?
23:23<anarchos>enviroment i think! the bsd tut says put that in /etc/rc.conf
23:23<jello>anarchos: environment goes into /etc/environment
23:23<anarchos>so im thinking /etc/init.d somewhere?
23:24<anarchos>i have no /etc/enviroment.../etc/innittab ?:P
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23:30<nevyn>!start a language war
23:30<dpkg>Logo is more efficient than Ruby
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23:32<jello>anarchos: no, not inittab
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