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00:00<paq>jordanm, hmm, well, on my desktop and laptop it doesn't
00:00<justin__>paq, yes, Debian is the most stable
00:00<jordanm>i put it on the same level of stability as CentOS/RHEL, but RHEL lacks 28k packages and the debian community
00:00<paq>jordanm, did you have to do some tweaking
00:00<sahko>paq: which video card?
00:00<jordanm>paq: no, no tweaking
00:00<sahko>i mean driver not card
00:00<jordanm>intel i945
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00:01<justin__>Are you on testing or stable?
00:01<paq>sahko, does that make a difference for sleep and hibernate, it is ati on my laptop and nvidia on my desktop
00:01<justin__>paq: What laptop do you have?
00:01<justin__>IBM Thinkpad?
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00:01<paq>justin__, yep
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00:01<sahko>paq: i dont know if thats to blame for the situation, but of course it does in general
00:01<justin__>I have a 42
00:02<justin__>And there's a 43 without a screen in one of my laptop bags.
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00:02<justin__>I may try out the T43 for standby and hibernate modes.
00:02<sahko>but there should be logs telling you why it fails
00:02<sney>T42/43 always behaved better with apm support than acpi, in my experience
00:03<sney>apm suspend, that is.
00:03<paq>there are some scripts that fix it, I had done it once, basically I had to copy a script from the internet, but it wasn't working for my thinkpad for some reason, finally I just gave up and put Ubuntu on it, cause you need to sleep with laptops on the go. If you only use it at home, you can just leave it on, but not with these pentium d's they get hot, or well in my case, the hdd is making bad noises so I let it sleep a lot
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00:04<justin__>Get a new HDD
00:04<justin__>Heck, can you put SSD drives in a T42?
00:04<paq>justin__, yeah, I would buy a winter coat too, cause its minus 15 out there
00:04<sney>T42 uses a PATA hard drive
00:05<sney>I don't think they switched to SATA until the t60
00:05<justin__>Thanks for the info.
00:05<sney>but there might be pata ssds, they'd just be uncommon
00:05<justin__>Now, back to debian installing topic
00:05<justin__>Ok, so my Debian ISO is almost done downloading.
00:05<justin__>I do a cat then sync?
00:05<justin__>After that, I just boot into the usb drive?
00:05<sney>then sync again to be sure
00:05<paq>I bought a webcam, and would use streamer to take picture of my apartment all day, I did that for week and now its making noises. But who know, maybe the person who had it before me got some windows virus and ruined it
00:06<justin__>And, it should detect the installer files
00:06<sney>paq: hard drives just wear out eventually. T42 isn't a new laptop, if that's the original drive it's 5 years old
00:06<justin__>I got a new, 100gb drive
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00:06<prem>is makedev pacakge necessary for a normal working of a system..?
00:06<paq>I don't think I am gonna install the xfce next time. I will give lxde another try though
00:07<paq>sney, I think harddrives last way longer on linux than windows
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00:07<justin__>And, a question reasked before
00:07<justin__>CD1 includes the gnome-desktop package?
00:07<paq>actually, I don't think hdd get ruined at all with linux
00:07<justin__>Because, I have about 42 megabytes left to go until it's done
00:08<sney>paq: the wear and tear on hard drives is due to thermal stress and moving parts. linux vs. windows vs. osx vs. solaris vs. irix etc makes no difference.
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00:08<justin__>And I want to know this.
00:08<prem>i was trying to install isdnvboxserver package and found it needs makedev under /sbin to create some links and it is missing by default in squeeze
00:08<justin__>sudo aptitude install makedev maybe?
00:08<sahko>both suspend and hibernate work here too
00:08<sney>prem: udev typically makes makedev obsolete
00:08<paq>sney, yeah, but windows with virus' vs windows clean makes a difference, and windows computers always have virus' and linux never does
00:08<justin__>I still need to know if Debian CD image 1 has GNOME
00:08<syndicate>try fluxbox
00:09<sney>none of my windows computers have viruses.
00:09<sney>justin__: yep
00:09<prem>sney, yeah i read so.,but in that case why isdnvboxserver should search for /sbin/makedev
00:09<paq>None of my Linux computers hdd make funny noises
00:09<justin__>Once, my hdd did
00:09<justin__>It made a few clicking noises
00:09<prem>either makedev should be marked dependency of that package or it has to search for something else
00:09<justin__>I'm lucky it's still alive
00:09<jordanm>I have had drives click away for years before dieing
00:09<justin__>I thought it was the click of death
00:10<paq>Windows breaks hardware
00:10<justin__>We are getting off topic, lol
00:10<sney>I had a linux workstation that made constant FWEEEEEEEE and TICKTICKTICKTICKTICK noises because they were big scsi drives that did not care about noise levels
00:10<paq>hardware breakage was the straw that broke the camels back for me to make the switch from using Linux over Windows
00:10<sney>indeed we are.
00:10<justin__>Hey, does anyone want to go to #debian-offtopic?
00:10<paq>I love scsi drives, they are so fast
00:10<justin__>We can talk about this over there
00:11<jordanm>I am always idle there
00:11<sney>paq: well, I hope your grasp of causation vs. correlation continues to support your decision.
00:11<justin__>Well, my debian cd1 image is almost done
00:11<prem>any suggestions on my makedev / udev issue..!?
00:11<justin__>I'm going to move from LMDE to Debian Squeeze
00:11<sney>prem: check for your vbox package, odds are somene else has noticed; and if not, then you can be the hero
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00:11<justin__>And i'll see you later after I install.
00:11<paq>sney, wierd, you are pretty defensive about windows
00:12<paq>usually this channel people always boast linux and shoot down windows
00:12<prem>sney, okey i will check there
00:12<sney>I am platform agnostic and I've been a sysadmin for too long to think one OS is going to destroy more hardware
00:12<justin__>Yeah, I used to have a windows partiton
00:12<justin__>Removed it.
00:12<sney>I just try to be good at everything
00:12<sney>the worst hardware destroyer is users
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00:13<sney>they'll break shit even if it's running VMS.
00:13<paq>sney, must be just getting jobs because of you daddy, cause windows breaks hardware, and if you didnt notice, then what you do as sys admin, just eat chips and talk about politics
00:13<sney>y u so mad tho?
00:13<paq>I hate windows, and the windows clans men
00:13<sney>!ops paq is a frothy zealot
00:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: paq is a frothy zealot
00:14<justin__>I'm in the terminal right now
00:14<justin__>Doing a cat to my debian ISO
00:14<justin__>To /media/PENDRIVE
00:14<jordanm>I don't think zeoltry is grounds for a kick... off-topic discussion perhaps
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00:14<paq>windows sucks, they all agree
00:14<justin__>So, it won't work mostly
00:14<jordanm>justin__: no, you do it on the device, which creates the filesystem
00:14<syndicate>the squeeze .iso is a hybrid?
00:14<justin__>No, the USB is in /media/PENDRIVE
00:15<justin__>I'm serious.
00:15<tash>I used the .iso to make a install from a pendrive
00:15<tash>but it was tricky
00:15<paq>these virus keeps you hdd working, constantly writing and reading, and they ignore system's rules, so they ruin the formatting, and then the harddrive breaks eventually
00:15<tash>not much but... tricky
00:16<justin__>It's 9:16 PM here, and I need to go to sleep.
00:16<justin__>I seriously need help right now
00:16<sney>syndicate: yes
00:16<Hydroxide>paq: this isn't the place to be insulting other people's abilities as sysadmins and urging them toward other careers. nor, really, is it the place to have extended conversations about windows, positive or negative.
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00:16<justin__>god damn it
00:17<justin__>justin@justin-thinkpad-t42-lmde ~ $ cd Downloads/
00:17<justin__>justin@justin-thinkpad-t42-lmde ~/Downloads $ cat debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso > /media/PENDRIVE
00:17<justin__>bash: /media/PENDRIVE: Is a directory
00:17<Hydroxide>justin__: try cp or mv? :)
00:17<Hydroxide>justin__: ...oh
00:17<jordanm>!usb install
00:17<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
00:17<Hydroxide>justin__: try unmounting the pendrive first and going to the device behind it
00:18<Hydroxide>justin__: if you want to put the iso on a usb stick for a usb install, you shouldn't have the usb stick mounted
00:18<syndicate>mount|grep PENDRIVE
00:18<Hydroxide>justin__: and you should be writing it to the usb stick device name, either via cat like you're doing or with usb
00:18<syndicate>then umount /dev/whatever
00:18<jordanm>justin__: all exiting data will be lost
00:18<Hydroxide>justin__: err, "either via cat like you're doing or with dd"
00:18<Hydroxide>but, yes, listen to what jordanm just said :)
00:18<justin__>I know.
00:18<justin__>There's only a LMDE install there.
00:19<Hydroxide>just worth realizing :)
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00:19<justin__>Can't umount the drive
00:19<sahko>he means on the usb, not the hard drive
00:19<sahko>all data will be lost on the usb
00:19<justin__>I KNOW THAT ALREADY
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00:20<justin__>There's only a LMDE install there
00:20<Hydroxide>justin__: sure you can. honestly, the simplest way is to eject it via your gui
00:20<justin__>I did
00:20<Hydroxide>sahko: people can have OSes installed on USB sticks :)
00:20<Hydroxide>justin__: so then /media/PENDRIVE is probably gone, yes?
00:20<justin__>I have ten minutes.
00:20<Hydroxide>justin__: ok. so then just cat the file to the device node in /dev corresponding to the usb stick
00:21<syndicate>to see if any process open any file(s): lsof +D /media/PENDRIVE/
00:21<Hydroxide>justin__: it should be something like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc - but be sure you're not overwriting your hard drive!
00:21<Hydroxide>sahko: he said /media/PENDRIVE vanished
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00:21<justin__>I tried umounting /dev/sdb
00:21<Hydroxide>err, syndicate: ^^
00:21<justin__>umount: /dev/sdb is not mounted (according to mtab)
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00:21<justin__>Now let me try sdc
00:21<sahko>welcome to gnome. if you unmount device nodes go poof
00:21<Hydroxide>sahko: no, not true
00:21<jordanm>you mount a partition, not the drive
00:22<justin__>8 minutes.
00:22<sahko>Hydroxide: thats my experience
00:22<syndicate>the data is gonna be wiped out anyway, why don't just unplug the usb drive and plug it back?
00:22<Hydroxide>justin__: if /media/PENDRIVE vanished when you ejected it, you probably already unmounted it.
00:22<justin__>Yes, it did
00:22<Hydroxide>justin__: so just cat it to the right device node. there's nothing left to unmount
00:22<justin__>justin@justin-thinkpad-t42-lmde /dev $ umount /dev/sdb1
00:22<justin__>umount: /dev/sdb1 is not mounted (according to mtab)
00:22<justin__>justin@justin-thinkpad-t42-lmde /dev $ umount /dev/sdb
00:22<justin__>umount: /dev/sdb is not mounted (according to mtab)
00:22<justin__>justin@justin-thinkpad-t42-lmde /dev $ umount /dev/sdc
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00:23<jordanm>!tell justin__ about paste
00:23<Hydroxide>justin__: that was automated because of the large paste.
00:23<Hydroxide>justin__: there's nothing left to unmount
00:23<justin__>I know.
00:23<paq>this free driver included in debian 6 kernel is much better than the proprietary driver for my nvidia card
00:23<Hydroxide>justin__: just cat it to the correct device node. what's the remaining quesiton then?
00:24<justin__>Not letting me do it.
00:24<syndicate>paq, i have a geforce mx 440 and squeeze with noveau works nicely
00:24<Hydroxide>justin__: you need to do it as root
00:24<justin__>bash: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied
00:24<syndicate>though i use vanilla 2.6.37
00:24<Hydroxide>justin__: also, for that you should go to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 since it's an image of a whole disk
00:25<sney>justin__: gotta be root (or sudo)
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00:25<justin__>I did s.. ok then.
00:25<sney>can't wait for nouveau to support 3d
00:25<Hydroxide>sney: yes, though doing it with sudo is tricky since he's using shell redirection - the syntax is hard to get right
00:25<justin__>Permission denied
00:25<sney>word, should probably just sudo -s then
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00:25<paq>with windows, the picture was shit, but this free linux driver is awesome
00:25<Hydroxide>yeah, to get root. or use a root password, etc.
00:25<justin__>Permission denied
00:26<justin__>5 minutes.
00:26<Hydroxide>justin__: what command are you typing, and are you root before you type it or not?
00:26<sney>does ubuntu even provide a root password? I thought it was scrambled
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00:26<justin__>sudo -s cat debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb
00:26<syndicate>my geforce is really really old, i don't expect any support at all but wow... when noveau works, i'm really amazed and thankful
00:26<justin__>Oh, let me try a root terminal
00:26<Hydroxide>justin__: also, the number of minutes you have left is not highly relevant to us - we're already trying to help you as fast as we can, and we're doing this in our spare time
00:26<Hydroxide>justin__: yes, that will be better. that's what I was referring to about the tricky syntax with sudo and shell redirection (lines involving ">")
00:26<paq>syndicate, I bought mine for $5 out of a junk bin at the computer store
00:27<syndicate>paq, nice deal
00:27<justin__>FINALLT IT WORKS
00:27<Hydroxide>great! glad to hear it.
00:27<paq>but the intel driver is broken in debian 6, it used to work with debian 5, but with 6 it freezes, and then when it comes back, the most only moves in a square in the middle of the screen
00:28<syndicate>i see. what's the model of the intel chip?
00:28<paq>It so stupid that I can't use the intel card, these hardware vendors are loyal to windows or something. I have my desktop open cause my card doesn't fit in the case
00:28<syndicate>i have an i845 and i3 working
00:29<Hydroxide>paq: it's not a matter of loyalty, it's a matter of market share, plus they bother to write the drivers for windows while they usually don't for linux. it would be nice if these things were more standardized, but *sigh*
00:29<paq>syndicate, 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE
00:29<syndicate>well, they are loyal to the money since they are a business after all
00:29<paq>Hydroxide, I thin it is loyalty
00:29<Hydroxide>paq: intel is somewhat of the exception there in terms of working on the linux drivers, but it's still different
00:30<paq>Hydroxide, isn't it just a matter of compiling, wrt to release for respective platforms
00:30<Hydroxide>paq: btw, my father has a similar issue on a similar chip.
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00:30<syndicate>paq, that's the same model as mine. 845, mine is onboard intel d845xx (where xx is something i can't recall)
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00:30<Hydroxide>paq: no. lots of testing, porting, API/ABI stuff, integration, etc is needed
00:31<justin__>Now i'p.
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00:32<paq>Hydroxide, hmm, I think the amount of work put and the amount required to port to another platform is about 1%
00:32<Hydroxide>justin__: sorry, I don't understand what you're saying or asking
00:32<syndicate>kms is working, not sure about X
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00:32<paq>syndicate, your is 845, mine is 82845
00:32<Hydroxide>paq: believe me when I say that's not true :) X and windows are quite different
00:33<paq>Hydroxide, I am sure the developers at Intel are quite capable, and it is very feasible for intel
00:33<Hydroxide>paq: also, intel might not own all the copyright or patents involved in their windows driver, and might not have permission to release them under a free software license.
00:33<paq>Hydroxide, exactly, a pact with MS
00:34<Hydroxide>paq: or they may have had to license some patents from NVidia or ATI/AMD
00:34<Hydroxide>paq: to provide software support for certain graphics features
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00:34<jordanm>I recall nvidia saying they could never open source their drivers for that reason, because they themselves do not own all the copyrights
00:34<sney>show me on the doll where bill gates touched you
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00:34<syndicate>from lspci: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
00:34<Hydroxide>paq: or they might have contracted out some of the software writing and not obtained all the rights. I think there's some similar issue regarding intel's poulsbo chipset, which has horrible linux support for a reason like that
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00:35<paq>Hydroxide, MS company is well know for illegal and unfair business practices in an effort to secure a monopoly. They were convicted by the supreme court. Plus, I am well aquanted with the community. They are bad people
00:35<paq>Hydroxide, maybe we should continue this in off-topic
00:35<jordanm>they are not all "bad". some are just lazy
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00:35<syndicate>or greed
00:36<paq>jordanm, they are bad, and hard working at being bad
00:36<paq>syndicate, servants of satan
00:36<paq>evil evil evil
00:36<Hydroxide>paq: if you want to turn it into a rant against MS, that would be more appropriate. I don't :) also, you're wrong about which court convicted them, and generalizing to a whole company which is way too large to have a single set of morals
00:36<Hydroxide>paq: "that would be more appropriate" == the off-topic channel
00:37<sney>he's writing his own version of timecube here
00:37<Hydroxide>paq: anyway, this channel should stay on-topic about Debian, which we were until a few lines ago, in terms of driver support
00:37<Hydroxide>sney: I'm beginning to see that :)
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00:37<justin__>Ok, i'm back because my computer froze
00:37<justin__>Now, this is what I get when I cat to sdb1
00:37<justin__>cat: write error: No space left on device
00:38<syndicate>you should have cat to sdb
00:38<Hydroxide>justin__: right, we were saying to cat to /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1
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00:38<justin__>bash: /dev/sdb: No medium found
00:38<Hydroxide>justin__: also, you should confirm that the usb stick is large enough to hold whatever iso you downloaded
00:38<justin__>It is.
00:38<Hydroxide>justin__: ok. it might not be /dev/sdb after your reboot
00:38<justin__>What should it bew
00:39<justin__>how weird
00:39<justin__>I tried sdc
00:39<Hydroxide>justin__: see which ones exist and aren't your hard drive. might be /dev/sda or /dev/sdc or similar. it shouldn't have any partitions (no /dev/sdX1, /dev/sdX2, etc)
00:39<justin__>It also tells me that there is no space
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00:40<Hydroxide>justin__: try this: cat /sys/block/sdc/device/{vendor,model}
00:40<Hydroxide>justin__: that should let you know if it's your usb or not
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00:41<justin__>Damn it
00:41<justin__>Should I just cp
00:41<justin__>Or will that lead to my previous stated problem
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00:41<Hydroxide>no, that won't work - that would create a file on the usb stick
00:43<Hydroxide>if you want to figure out which device node is your usb, there are several ways - one is to do ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ and see which one is your usb stick and doesn't end in a digit
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00:43<Hydroxide>justin__: once you do that, you can try catting to the correct device node as root. assuming you're correct about having enough space for the image you downloaded, that should work.
00:43<justin__>I have
00:44<justin__>And sda 2, 5, and 6
00:44<Hydroxide>so that sounds like sda is probably your hard drive
00:44<justin__>And sdb is in a USB port
00:45<Hydroxide>so then catting the iso as root to sdb should work. if it doesn't, that suggests a mistake in matching the size of the disk and the size of the iso
00:45<justin__>But it still tells me
00:45<Hydroxide>specifically, to /dev/sdb
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00:46<justin__>"debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso" 642.4 MB
00:46<syndicate>does it matter using dd or cat?
00:46<justin__>"PENDRIVE" 912.3 mb
00:47<Hydroxide>syndicate: I can't see why, though he can certainly try dd
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00:48<syndicate>i've used dd all this time. i'll look for spare usb drive and try using cat, brb
00:48<justin__>So, how would I do that?
00:49<Hydroxide>justin__: dd if=your-iso-file-name of=/dev/sdb
00:49<justin__>And that will work too?
00:49<Hydroxide>it should.
00:50<justin__>Well, it's working.
00:50<justin__>If it doesn't, i'm just going to sleep
00:50<Hydroxide>okay :)
00:50<Hydroxide>I should do that too :)
00:51<syndicate>well, squeeze netinst iso to an 8GB drive using cat
00:51<syndicate>it's working
00:51<Hydroxide>syndicate: cool
00:51<justin__>So, how long will DD take?
00:51<syndicate>so it doesn't matter whether i use dd or cat
00:52<syndicate>depending on the write speed of your usb drive
00:52<Hydroxide>justin__: a few minutes. probably similar to how long cat would have taken. they transfer different-sized chunks at once, probably, and I don't know what each of their defaults are
00:53<syndicate>now that you said "different-sized chunks"
00:54<Hydroxide>syndicate: did I just asplode the world? :-)
00:54<syndicate>just my head
00:54<syndicate>when we write to /dev/sdb
00:55<syndicate>the kernel doesn't do any caching right?
00:55<Hydroxide>it might
00:55<Hydroxide>I don't know
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00:55<Hydroxide>and I also don't know whether dd flushes the cache :) it's certainly more likely to than cat
00:55<syndicate>i've read somewhere that flash memory can only be written in blocks
00:56<syndicate>so is it important to use dd with the right bs= parameter?
00:56<Hydroxide>well, if there is any such requirement, the kernel would handle that at a lower, probably device-specific layer
00:56<syndicate>i see
00:56<Hydroxide>it will work either way; there probably is a most efficient set of parameters for a given situation
00:57<syndicate>i should be thankful to those heroic kernel developer
00:57<Hydroxide>and you don't have that kind of flexibility with cat, but it is simpler to use
00:58<syndicate>perhaps i'll spend some time later to compare the write speed with different block sizes
00:59<syndicate>just curious
00:59<Hydroxide>syndicate: sounds like you have a bit of a computer engineer in you :)
01:00<Hydroxide>syndicate: or a storage administrator, etc
01:00<syndicate>hehe, just a debian user
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01:00<Hydroxide>syndicate: and some modesty, too :)
01:02<syndicate>=) thanks
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01:03<justin__>This is taking a long time...
01:03<kcin>How come debian can play mp3s out of the box? I thought there were some restrictions on that? I installed a default gnome net installation. Not complaining but wondering.
01:04<Hydroxide>justin__: so go ahead and go to sleep - it'll be done long before you wake up :)
01:04<justin__>But, i'm on battery power
01:04<Hydroxide>justin__: and you won't have to sit there waiting
01:04<justin__>Not AC
01:05<Hydroxide>justin__: and not able to plug in? ...ah
01:05<justin__>In my bed...
01:05<jordanm>kcin: my wild guess would be the restrictions are placed on the encoding of mp3's not the decoding/playing
01:05<Hydroxide>justin__: yeah, it can't be guaranteed to finish quite that quickly, depenidng on the speed of everything involved. I'd suggest just putting it on a table near the power cord, plugging in, letting it go, and enjoy sleeping instead of being anxious :)
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01:06<Hydroxide>kcin: debian seems to have gotten a bit less concerned about the mp3 patents particularly, at least to the extent that mp3 stuff is now in debian by default
01:07<Hydroxide>kcin: I'm not sure what the reasoning was - it could have been due to expiration of patents, re-evaluation of the situation, decrease in enforcement, change in evaluation principles, etc
01:07<kcin>I see, well its good for me one less thing to install.
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01:08<kcin>quick question, is there a way to get rid of ALL the default space fun artwork. I really hate it.
01:09<kcin>just curious if anyone devised a quick command to get rid of it, so I don't have to manually uninstall and replace each part like gdm and grub themes
01:09<Hydroxide>kcin: sure, that's controlled by the desktop-base package. check what it includes as far as changing to other themes, or just get rid of it if dependencies will allow.
01:09<Hydroxide>kcin: I think some other themese are still included. check README.Debian or list the included files, etc
01:09<kcin>alright, i can't believe it was included it's so poorly designed
01:10<Hydroxide>there are those who like it :)
01:10<Hydroxide>(and, yes, many who don't)
01:10<jordanm>kcin: it was voted on the list
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01:11<jordanm>I voted for ciel which didn't make it
01:11<kcin>yeah looking at it now, it's so much better
01:11<Hydroxide>I honestly like the grub part of it but don't use the kde desktop part of it
01:11<syndicate>are there screenshots of the candidates?
01:11<Hydroxide>and no, I didn't vote :)
01:12<syndicate>oh, found it:
01:12<kcin>try this:
01:12<jordanm>hehe, aparently, I am still the host of ciel
01:13<jordanm>the author kept trying to upload to megaupload :\
01:13<kcin>I think i'll make some artwork for debian, because I think it's kind of lacking.
01:13<Hydroxide>sure, I'm sure the team can always use more people doing that
01:14<jordanm>feel free to post to debian-desktop and propose for wheezy
01:14<kcin>yeah i will since I'm using it atm
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01:14<syndicate>ciel looks great. i like ciel more than space fun
01:14<kcin>here is something i made a billion years ago for ubuntu -
01:15<jordanm>that logo isn't non-free?
01:15<kcin>the ubuntu logo?
01:16<Hydroxide>jordanm: the debian swirl used to be non-free. the version without the word "debian" has since been relicensed to be MIT-licensed, basically. the version wth the word "debian" retains the restriction that it has to be used to refer to debian so as not to give up the trademark on the word debian.
01:16<kcin>here is a retheme of assaultcube I made:
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01:17<jordanm>Hydroxide: yeah, I am aware of the discussion on that. I followed the RC bug related to it, as well as the thread brought up on debian-legal about that company using the swirl
01:17<syndicate>trying to load kcin's on devianart....
01:17<jordanm>Hydroxide: aparently they found that photoshop can easily reproduce/generate the debian logo....
01:17<Hydroxide>jordanm: that's actually based on legal advice. due to unfortunate historical reasons, the font used in the official debian logo is non-free, but I think the squeeze grub artwork didn't use that font
01:17<jordanm>the swirl I mean
01:18<Hydroxide>jordanm: well, yeah, there is that :) anyway, the word debian itself is still a valid trademark, which is enforced in (as I see it) an appropriate but not obnoxious way
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01:19<heffay>can someone help me with an issue in fluxbox i cant solve? it refuses to set a particular wallpaper as the background.
01:19<jordanm>I would never expect debian to be obnoxious about any type of copyright enforcement
01:19<Hydroxide>jordanm: it's trademark enforcement, but... yeah
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01:19<kcin>debian should be obnoxious about logos if they are not used correctly
01:19*jordanm sighs --- legal terms
01:19<kcin>imagine some company takes the logo and makes common on some obscure product
01:20<kcin>you know how you see Tux on chinese goods or ubuntu logo on other corporate websites
01:20<Hydroxide>kcin: right ... that's actually one of the tricky things to do with a freely licensed logo since that means no use restriction :)
01:20<jm_>heffay: you can always set it with one of the external tools
01:20<kcin>but debian should never attempt to enforce that against community art
01:21<heffay>ive tried fbsetbg and just modifying the theme .cfg so far
01:21<heffay>same results
01:21<kcin>Here are some desktop mockups I made:
01:21<kcin>This one is more recent:
01:21<jaceleon1>um...excuse me, I just installed the nvidia driver from on squeeze and the logo of nvidia always appear every time i log on. is there a way i can remove from squeeze?
01:22<Hydroxide>kcin: well, I don't think debian is trying to prevent people from using the word "debian" in community artwork, no. it's more things where various tech companies that don't even use debian or a debian derivative have a corporate or product or domain name based on "debian"
01:22<kcin>yeah thats what I mean :)
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01:22<jordanm>jaceleon1: the driver from is not supported here. see #nvidia on, or remove the driver and install debian packages
01:23<Hydroxide>kcin: which actually makes sense, and is actually what most of the enforcement so far has been. (none of it with lots of publicity, since we didn't make a big deal of it and the community didn't overreact)
01:23<kcin>its funny the logo is very unique and you can see how blatantly it was taken
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01:24<kcin>What kind of color schemes would you guys like to see, I'm going to make a bunch of wallpapers for debian tomorow
01:25<jm_>jaceleon1: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz explains how to disable the logo, if you are using debian packages that is
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01:25<jaceleon1>wow kcin love the futuristic file manager. i hope it is available soon though....
01:26<kcin>which one of the two?
01:26<jaceleon1>this one
01:27<kcin>yeah I had that idea a while ago i think i posted about it here:
01:30<jaceleon1>i just hope someone can make that mock-up a reality and i'm pretty sure it will be a hit to most linux users kcin
01:30<kcin>would be cool
01:31<jaceleon1>have you tried building the source code of that, or just the concept?
01:31<kcin>I have no real coding experince, I can only make graphics
01:31<kcin>That was made in photoshop 7.0 in 2007 using layers and such
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01:32<jaceleon1>currently posting it on the forums to see if somone can actually build it.
01:33<kcin>good luck
01:33<kcin>I'm sure it's not that difficult
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01:35<sahko>is there any package that contains the documentation that comes with the linux kernel?
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01:38<jm_>sahko: yes
01:38<sahko>any chance you know its name? :)
01:39<jm_>well best to not ask yes/no questions -- it's called linux-doc-foo
01:40<sahko>yeah found it, thanks
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01:42<justin__>I now have ANOTHER problem.
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01:42<dpkg><alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha
01:42<justin__>When I get to the "network hardware" thing
01:42<justin__>The installer freezes
01:42<justin__>And does not do anything else
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01:44<justin__>Does anyone know why?
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02:18<engine64>hi all, anyone of you here uses Sysmaster brand of VOIP gateways and billing server?
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02:21<fanto666>hello, I've received a security notice about cgiirc vulnerability that has been fixed... but I don't see it updated on the web, FTP etc...
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02:22<fanto666>hmmm, it's on FTP, but apparently not in packages list
02:22<jordanm>,versions cgiirc
02:22<judd>Package cgiirc on i386 -- lenny: 0.5.9-3; sid: 0.5.9-3; squeeze: 0.5.9-3; wheezy: 0.5.9-3
02:22<engine64>you mean it's not yet in the repository?
02:23<jordanm>fanto666: doesn't look like there has been a security update for that
02:23<fanto666>Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA-2158-1] cgiirc security update
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02:23<fanto666>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:32:48 +0000
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02:24<jm_>,versions cgiirc
02:24<judd>Package cgiirc on i386 -- lenny: 0.5.9-3; sid: 0.5.9-3; squeeze: 0.5.9-3; wheezy: 0.5.9-3
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02:25<fanto666>not on the security web, but in the list archive
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02:26<jordanm>fanto666: less than 12 hours ago, give it some more time
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02:26<fanto666>I'd expect mail to be sent after it's possible to install...
02:26<jm_>it is here
02:27<mercutio22>Dudes. I can ssh into a remote machine from inside gnome, but not from tty1 -- Permission denied (public key). Any clues?
02:27<jordanm>mercutio22: not the same user?
02:27<fanto666>mercutio22 try ls ~/.ssh
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02:28<fanto666>apparently in gnome the ssh-agent has a key loaded that ssh client does not see
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02:28<fanto666>in gnome try ssh-add -l
02:28<mercutio22>jordanm: same user
02:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 479] by debhelper
02:29<Arrowmaster>gnome uses seahorse as an ssh agent
02:29<mercutio22>fanto666: everything seems to be there
02:29<Arrowmaster>just ssh-add the key in tty1
02:30<mercutio22>Arrowmaster: ok.. just a sec lemme see
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02:30<fanto666>sell, if ssh-add finds key without parameters, ssh should too
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02:31<fanto666>seahorse may look in other directories etc
02:31<mercutio22>Arrowmaster: could not open a connection to your authentication agent
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02:32<fanto666>ssh agent's aren't running in tty[0-9]+
02:32<fanto666>but as I say, ssh client would load and use it if it was there
02:33<fanto666>the question is, where does seahorse find the key
02:33<mercutio22>fanto666: I don't get it. How come I can authenticate from gnome-terminal?
02:33<mercutio22>seahorse does it
02:34<mercutio22>and the keys are in ~./ssh
02:34<Arrowmaster>seahorse remembers keys when you add them and loads them back up on login
02:34<Arrowmaster>from gnome-terminal, all the env vars for locating the ssh agent are present still from gnome
02:34<fanto666>I wonder that seahorse finds a key that ssh doesn't load
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02:35<fanto666>maybe it's un other key than ~/.ssh/id_rsa{.pub}
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02:36<mercutio22>fanto666: yep
02:36<mercutio22>fanto666: it has a different name
02:36<fanto666>thus ssh-add nor ssh will use it by default
02:36<fanto666>unless you set the filename in ~/.ssh/config
02:37<mercutio22>fanto666: ok... I will just rename the files
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02:37<fanto666>can you rename it? or use ssh -i ~/.ssh/{file}
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02:39<mercutio22>fanto666: I renamed it but now ssh complains permission 0644 is too open
02:39<mercutio22>what should it be?
02:39<fanto666>id_rsa should be 0600, the .pub may be 0644
02:40<mercutio22>fanto666: yeah! thanks
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02:48<fanto666>after re-login to gnome, it may happen that it will not know the key, (not sure how seahorse works).
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02:48<fanto666>but you should be able to fix that...
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03:03<mercutio22>I have established an ssh connection with X-forwarding enabled. How can I start X on my remote terminal?
03:04<mercutio22>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
03:04<jm_>you can't start X server that way, only X apps
03:04<jordanm>need VNC for a full-blown X environment
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03:05<mercutio22>jm_: I really wish I could... =}. I have found this:
03:06<mercutio22>sounds really interesting
03:06<mercutio22>WOuldnt need vnc
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03:07<jm_>mercutio22: that one relies on X already being started by gdm
03:09<mercutio22>jm_: it seems to me X would be started on the remote machine and waiting at the gdm greeter screen.
03:10<mercutio22>jm_: which is the case
03:10<jm_>mercutio22: not by default no, you need to allow it
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03:11<mercutio22>jm_: all I'd have to do is install that script at the client machine right?
03:11<mercutio22>the ssh-session script
03:12<mercutio22>and the ssh.desktop link at that /etc.. path
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03:13<mercutio22>And I'd be able to login at the remote machine in a native Xsession relayed via ssh with no vnc
03:13<jm_>mercutio22: not if you want to start X server remotely
03:15<mercutio22>jm_: ok, the Xserver would have to be already waiting at the gdm greeter.
03:15<mercutio22>but that'd be all
03:15<jm_>mercutio22: right, in that case I guess his method works
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03:15*ukleinek used to use: failsafe login, ssh -X $remotemachine $windowmanagerofmychoice
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03:19<mercutio22>jm_: weird.. this is from 2005 and he submitted the scripts to the gnome project... I wonder why we don't have this feature by default yet
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03:23<marcinek>hi :)
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03:36<jahhz>hello, could anyone be kind and write me a small script please ?
03:37<jahhz>2 commands: ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0
03:37<dcraig>how small?
03:37<jahhz>i have no idea how to run them from a file on double click
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03:37<jahhz>no scripting knowledge
03:37<jahhz>but i'm guessing it's easy
03:38<jahhz>i mean if i double click first time it runs only the first command, if i double click it again, it goes straight to the second command
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03:42<paq>I am thinking I will use Giver for file transfer between my linux computers?
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03:45<dcraig>jahhz, so some sort of mystic toggle switch?
03:45<jahhz>oh yea :D
03:45<dcraig>maybe the script should determine if eth0 is up and then execute the appropriate command
03:46<jahhz>i have no clue, i need it to reset my pppoe connection
03:46<jahhz>i mean network adapter maybe, so i can get a new ip
03:47<jahhz>if it's complicated don't bother please
03:48<dcraig>every bash script I write accomplishes its goal in the most convoluted way possible, so I'm not comfortable recommending any of my "solutions" to your problem
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03:50<jahhz>heh :) it's ok
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03:53<ffws>jahhz: why not just type "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" in a root shell (without the quotes)?
03:53<jahhz>i'm lazy lol
03:53<paq>yep, I just installed and am transferring. Giver is fantastic.
03:53<jahhz>i forget commands
03:53<ffws>jahhz: ah, instead others should work for you?
03:53<dcraig>I think he might want to only do one of those things depending on its current state
03:53<dcraig>if it's up, make it down... if it's down, make it up
03:54<ffws>jahhz: you can put this statement in a file and make it executable
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03:54<paq>jahhz, what command are you trying to remember? Your shell remembers for you, if you didn't already knopw
03:54<dcraig>ta dah :p
03:54<jm_>or create a shell alias: alias iamalazyass='ifdown eth0; sleep 3; ifup eth0'
03:54<jahhz>i know, but i write too many stuff in there to keep track
03:55<ffws>jahhz: buy a post-it
03:55<paq>dcraig, thanks for the link
03:55<dcraig>paq, it wasn't for you, give it back.
03:56<paq>dcraig, too late, I already visited it
03:56<dcraig>pls clear ur cache
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03:56<paq>did you dudes try Giver for file transfer, so awesome
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03:56<dcraig>is this like microsoft's "homegroup" thing?
03:57<dcraig>I can't help but think of "the giver" when I hear its name
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03:58<paq>dcraig, not sure, it has a msn messenger style look
03:59<dcraig>oh ok
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04:47<sean>can someone help me get my wireless card working? I know its an Intel Pro wireless 2100 802.11g
04:48<jm_>no doubt someone can
04:48<dpkg>ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. #ipw2100 on
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05:10<dmitry>hi, all :)
05:11<dmitry>i have a trouble with sqeeze
05:11<dmitry>when i install packages with apt-get or aptitude
05:11<dmitry>then it's ok, but files don't save in /var/cache/apt/archive
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05:11<dmitry>what wrong?
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05:12<dmitry>this feature is worked perfectly in lenny
05:12<dmitry>what wrong in sqeeze?
05:13<dmitry>any body know about this ?
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05:15<jm_>dmitry: did you perhaps configure a different cache dir?
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05:17<dmitry>all by defaults
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05:17<dmitry>is cache dir /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
05:18<dmitry>i have no idea
05:19<dmitry>when i install packages with Synaptic, files save!
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05:20<dmitry>I try to install sqeeze with no gnome, only minimal packages
05:20<dmitry>and have this trouble again
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05:21<dmitry>then synaptic have no role with this bug
05:21<dmitry>i only have apt-get and aptitude
05:21<dmitry>with defaults config files
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05:27<jm_>well I was going to suggest to enable apt debugging, but whatever
05:27<devil>synaptic is just a frontend, so its strange that synaptic is ok when apt is not
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05:27<Talon_>how do you edit your menus in gnome on squeeze? i right click it, goto edit menus, and i have no options to add/delete/etc..
05:27<devil>uh, $user ran off
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05:32<Liquid>hi all, anyone can help me in grub rescue with encrypted LVM problem?:)
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05:32<serverhamster>Hello, I'm coming from Ubuntu and am intalling Debian (6.0) for the first time. The (expert) installed asked me if I wanted to enable 'volatile', and I did. Meanwhile I'm reading the release notes and they say that 'volatile' is replaced by squeeze-updates? Wy did debian-installer asked about it?
05:33<serverhamster>(ok, weird last sentence...)
05:33<serverhamster>squeeze-updates is in /etc/apt/sources.conf, so the configuration is probably OK.
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05:36<AgentC>Liquid: grub-startup ? can you enter the grub-rescue console ?
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05:43<Liquid>please PM me if anyone can help me with #567582 bug on a disk containing encrypted LVM
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05:49<devil>serverhamster: yes.
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05:50<SynrG>a question here from a developer to the support people regarding typical user support questions ... do you often handle users who have problems getting wireless working immediately after a debian install using wireless? at a recent LUG demo i hit a snag that netcfg puts wireless details in /etc/network/interfaces ...
05:51<SynrG>for typical desktop users i think this is broken, as then NetworkManager doesn't want to manage wireless.
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05:51<Liquid>agentc: the server instantly enters the grub-rescue, I've got the prompt: grub rescue>_
05:51<LotR>don't you mean laptop instead of desktop?
05:52<SynrG>ahh. here we have some confusion ...
05:52<SynrG>because "desktop" means one things in terms of software
05:52<SynrG>another in terms of hardware
05:52<SynrG>i mean a "desktop install" on a laptop, of course
05:52<LotR>ah, ok
05:52<SynrG>which is increasingly becoming the norm for new installs
05:53<SynrG>ultimately i think i want to file a bug on netcfg, but not without a clear plan of action
05:54<SynrG>and whatever i suggest should be based on reality, not my perceptions of a *possible* support issue :)
05:54<SynrG>hence my little straw poll here
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05:55<LotR>maybe things like network-manager and wicd should check /etc/network/interfaces on install?
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05:56<SynrG>hmm. there's an idea.
05:56<LotR>though that would probably require it to be managed completely instead of user-generated
05:56<LotR>note I am not one of these support people you were asking :)
05:57<SynrG>if network configuration selections at install time could be completely decoupled from the actual desired network configuration method ...
05:57<SynrG>yet some reasonable defaults preseeded for various possible network managers ...
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05:58<SynrG>the trick would be for one of those to assert itself and say "i have the network" and have that be what the user wanted
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05:58<SynrG>with no user interaction
05:58<SynrG>(based on typical user needs)
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06:00<devil>SynrG: it happens a lot, here and at a derivate that i am part of. as the derivate bases on unstable, we have had the situation with missing firmware for a while and users got used to it mostly. here a lot of users are new to the concept of free kernel and find it a bit of a hen/egg problem sometimes
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06:06<LotR>when does netcfg create the /etc/network/interfaces config? if it's late enough, maybe it could check if there's a network manager installed, and do less if so?
06:07<jm_>it's before that - it might need networking to be able to install packages
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06:08<LotR>it sets up the networking in the target when it is configuring the network for the install?
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06:12<devil>SynrG: sry, didnt read the whole backlog, so little bit off topic
06:12<ayaka>My OS is Debian squeeze amd64,because libgsm don't have 32 bit package,I try to compile it,but only output .a file,wine also need .so file,how to solve this?
06:13<gsimmons>LotR: network-manager does check /etc/network/interfaces at postinst (since 0.8.1-4), disabling interfaces using the dhcp method.
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06:16<adb>ayaka, libgsm1 is 32 bit on my sysytem
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06:16<ayaka>adb, I try to install debain package,file show it a 64bit ELF
06:17<jm_>adb: on amd64 release?
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06:17<adb>no , on 32
06:17<jm_>well he is doing it on amd64
06:17<ayaka>adb, my os is amd64!
06:17<adb> ..."because libgsm don't have 32 bit "
06:18<jm_>yes, it's needed in order to run 32bit apps, see ia32-libs etc.
06:18<ayaka>adb, but wine need 32bit libgsm
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06:19<Talon_>do I have to download nvidias linux drivers to use compiz?
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06:19<ayaka>jm_, this is no use,I installed all ia32-libs-*
06:19<jm_>ayaka: I know - it doesn't include libgsm
06:20<ayaka>jm_, well,without this,I know a game need it,so I need it
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06:22<twb>On sid I use "mplayer `youtube-dl <URL>`" to follow youtube links that idiots send me.
06:22<twb>youtube-dl is not available in sid; what is a (near) analogue?
06:22<twb>*is not available in squeeze
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06:23<jm_>twb: is simply put youtube-dl in ~/bin
06:23<ayaka>adb, have anyway to solve this
06:23<twb>jm_: hum; I'm rolling live images, so that's not as trivial as normal. But I'll make that my plan B :-)
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06:24<jm_>twb: and the current version from sid won't work on squeeze?
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06:24<twb>jm_: cherry-picking would also make my script more fiddly :-)
06:25<adb>ayaka, yes install 32 bit in virtualbox
06:25<twb>I had the impression there were, like, twenty implementations of a "give me a youtube video" script
06:25<jm_>there's also clive
06:25<ayaka>adb, then cp it so is it
06:25<gsimmons>twb: There's clive, cclive and quvi in squeeze, at least.
06:25<twb>Every time I use it I realize that watching the video wasn't worth my time, so it's a pretty minor issue
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06:26<adb>ayaka, nah, use virtualbox for all games, wine etc
06:26<jm_>for me just grabbing newer youtube is less hassle than going *clive way
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06:26<twb>"grabbing newer"?
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06:26<twb>Oh right
06:26<jm_>sorry, newer youtube-dl
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06:27<ayaka>adb, well,in that case,I prefer schroot
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06:27<ayaka>adb, thank you
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06:28<adb>your choose
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06:32<twb>Hmm... is acpid ignoring my policy-rc.d?
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06:33<twb>Nope, it's just the transition from cdebootstrap to debootstrap removed it :-/
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06:34<Liquid>any idea here: grub rescue>insmod linux.mod --> error: symbol not found: 'grub_mm_base' ?
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06:38<jm_>maybe it needs some other module first
06:38<twb>This is why I stick to syslinux
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06:43<ayaka>I want to know about NFS,because samba is different to use
06:46<nevyn>ayaka: different or difficult?
06:46<nevyn>and if you think samba is hard nfsv4 awaits you.
06:47<ayaka>nevyn, difficult
06:47<nevyn>nfsv4 is as hard as samba
06:47<nevyn>nfsv3 is easier but sucks.
06:47<nevyn>but it really depends what the problem your trying to solve is.
06:48<ayaka>nevyn, awaits?yes I try nfs4,but with a lot of problem,even I can't mount it in local,I add 127.0.1 in exports
06:48<twb>nevyn: gee whiz, security vs. convenience
06:48<nevyn>twb: shock ay...
06:49<nevyn>twb: right security is a big part of my selection criteria these days. I realise this isn't true for everyone but sometimes my bias shows.
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06:50<twb>nevyn: FYI, I am migrating to LDAP, forcibly wrapped in SSL and ppolicy
06:50<twb>I lost the fight for krb, mainly because the only management UI that doesn't suck donkey balls is... AD
06:50<nevyn>I suspected that might be a problem
06:51<twb>And #kerberos has a huge hard on for it, too, which makes support difficult.
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06:51<nevyn>stanford et al who are using krb have inhouse baroque stuff they've built over years to manage it
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06:51<nevyn>but it's all bespoke stuff that isn't a general solution to the problem.
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06:52<twb>But with ppolicy, the only time a password goes over the wire is when you run "passwd", and then hopefully forcing SSL will prevent it being sniffed
06:53<nevyn>hrm so you're doing the hash on the client then sending the hash?
06:53<ayaka>nevyn, I have problem with share file with OS in vmware,OS are M$,debian,freebsd.fedora.ubuntu,when host is ubuntu time,samba is normal,but now host is debian
06:53<nevyn>cause that's still vulnerable to replay...
06:53<nevyn>you have an os called M$? cool ...
06:53<twb>nevyn: hey, if I can at least stop "ypcat shadow", I'm winning :-/
06:54<nevyn>twb: soo I think doing the hash on the ldap server is acceptable as long as you're using LDAP/TLS
06:54<nevyn>ayaka: nfs won't cut it... use samba
06:55<twb>nevyn: and instead of NFS I'm forcing most stuff to use sshfs
06:55<nevyn>twb: yeah that and webdav seem sensible
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06:55<nevyn>twb: cool
06:56<nevyn>twb: did you see dpittman is now working for puppetlabs?
06:56<ayaka>nevyn, why,samba have a little problem,and M$ can use nfs
06:56<twb>I didn't realize that's where he went
06:57<nevyn>twb: he just moved to the states last month and is now a dev for them.
06:57<twb>Wait, was he the one who had a hard-on for puppet, or was that you?
06:57<nevyn>twb: that would be me ;)
06:57<nevyn>I introduced him to it.
06:57<ayaka>nevyn, both in debian and ubuntu it will show can't mount m$ networking,in debian worse,I type password,but can't log
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06:58<nevyn>ayaka: this is non-trivial network configuration stuff. you'll need to readup to get it working
06:59<nevyn>I'd suggest the samba howto but if you're not worried about single sign on or making it secure
06:59<cwickert1>how can I install 32bit build-essential on a amd64 machine?
06:59<bluenemo>would ssh -i identity_file also work with ssh -i $identity_variable ?
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06:59<nevyn>use security=sharee
06:59<nevyn>bluenemo: yes
06:59<bluenemo>nevyn, cool :D then my day is rescued :D
06:59<ayaka>Nemoder, use security=sharee?in where?ssh can work
06:59<twb>bluenemo: if you're typing that into a sh shell
06:59<nevyn>bluenemo: assuming that's a shell variable it'll be expanded before ssh sees it
07:00<bluenemo>i'm writing a bash script, would be defined before script starts @ twb nevyn
07:00<SynrG>devil, LotR, jm_: sorry, my inquiry was interrupted by my morning commute to work. ok, so i think perhaps i have a real issue to report, but will have to clearly define the problem before jumping into a potential implementation or else it may be rejected before it is given a chance
07:01<nevyn>bluenemo: but.. if you're writing a wrapper for matching particular keys to hosts don't do that.
07:01<SynrG>something like: "Ensure network works after install when user installs on non-home network."
07:01<nevyn>bluenemo: use .ssh/config with host stanza's
07:02<bluenemo>nevyn, sorry i'm afraid i cant follow. i'm not that experienced i think.. what are stanza's?
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07:02<twb>bluenemo: blocks of text
07:02<Liquid>anyone knows (google doesn't) what kind of other mods "linux.mod" needs to load?
07:02<nevyn>bluenemo: it's jsut a fancy word for paragraph but with a more specific meaning
07:03<twb>Liquid: would it be easier to just boot a live CD?
07:03<bluenemo>ah ok i c nevyn
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07:03<nevyn>bluenemo: are you writing a script to match hosta to keya and hostb to keyb etc
07:04<nevyn>cause ssh can do this in it's config.
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07:05<bluenemo>hm i'm not shure i understand.. i want to write sth like teamview for windows, and i thought about giving the customer a sh script where a working key is already defined in a variable (would create a new one for each case i need to use it). the thing is i want to send him only one file (the script), which he then executes without typing pw's and stuff. (only one to decrypt the gpg crypted sh script)
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07:06<bluenemo>the target is like: customeruser@customerpc$ ssh -R 10000:localhost:22 middleuser@middlehost -N | admin@adminpc$ ssh customeruser@middlehost -p 10000
07:06<nevyn>bluenemo: you can't sore the key in a variable.. only the name of he file containing the key
07:07<bluenemo>ah ok. yes i can define the file of the key with the -i identity_file option..
07:08<jm_>Liquid: try to check other modules for the missing symbol
07:08<bluenemo>i thought i'll just define ssh_key=4564lkj45j5 ; ssh -i $ssh_key.. but that wont work?
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07:10<bluenemo>but i could define the key as a variable, echo $ssh_key > /tmp/key ; ssh -i /tmp/key :)
07:12<Liquid>twb: it would be easier if I could phisycally reach the server in a short time
07:12<Liquid>jm_: any hint how to do that?
07:12<twb>Liquid: fair enough
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07:13<cwickert>sorry to be so impatient, but does nobody have an idea how to install 32bit build-essential on amd64? On Fedora/RHEL I'd just run 'yum install build-essential.i686' and that's it
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07:13<twb>cwickert: dpkg2 doesn't do biarch
07:13<twb>cwickert: either set up a chroot (e.g. pbuilder, sbuild) or wait (years) for dpkg3
07:13<cwickert>twb: this means I have to go with a chroot?
07:14<twb>cwickert: however there are also cross-compilation bits in gcc, which might be what you ACTUALLY want
07:15<cwickert>twb: I don't want to compile anything, I just need to bootstrap 32bit openpkg
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07:15<ayaka>I want to know the package name of gstreamer dev
07:16<twb>Hm, apparently it's an RPM derivative.
07:16<jm_>Liquid: well you won't be able to do it from grub prompt
07:16<twb>It's probably best to steer clear of such things.
07:17<cwickert>twb: thanks for the hint, we are working hard on native debian packages, but right now I have no other option than to use openpkg
07:17<cwickert>any ideas on this one?
07:17<Liquid>jm_: that thats it, I need to go check her :(
07:18<Liquid>for all: do not install SID Grub and restart for gods sake :)
07:18<twb>cwickert: you should LC_ALL=C before generating error messages
07:19<twb>cwickert: I think that's saying that ia32-libs failed to install because python didn't configure properly, the error for which will be further up your screen
07:19<nevyn>twb: alienable maybe?
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07:19<twb>nevyn: meh
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07:25*Zhad is trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze but is having an odd problem
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07:25<Zhad>It said it needed to download 725 packacges, it's got to number 724 and now it just says 99% [Working] (which it's been saying for about three quarters of an hour.
07:25<Zhad>it's not using a lot of disk io or runtime.
07:25<Zhad>so it's not working very hard.
07:26<jm_>Zhad: you can sfely interrupt it during download phase
07:27<Zhad>okay, will do
07:28<Zhad>supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 5.0.3
07:28<Zhad>Yay :-)
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07:31<twb>Grr. cdebootstrap, why are you stuck in "[pid 11268] poll([{fd=5, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 ([{fd=5, revents=POLLNVAL}])" forever?
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07:39<Gurka>krayn: hej hej
07:39<twb>Looks like a bug in lucid that cdebootstrap fixed in 0.5.6
07:39<krayn>I have a question about debian 6 with freebsd kernel
07:39<krayn>i'm tring to install it with zfs as a root fs
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07:39<krayn>is this supported at the moment?
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07:40<Gurka>krayn: I don't think so
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07:40<twb>Dunno. You might want to ask the kfreebsd channel.
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07:40<krayn>uhm ok :)
07:41<krayn>no1 have installed it?
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07:44<twb>I have a hard enough time making just GNU/Linux work
07:44<twb>Plus I prefer btrfs to zfs
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07:46<krayn>well, i dont know btrfs :(
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07:47<krayn>it can be installed using the official debian installer as a root fs?
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07:48<babilen>krayn: You don't have to. It is not quite ready for production use. But yes, ask the #debian-kbsd channel, they are likely to know. ZFS is a fine choice.
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07:48<krayn>thx :)
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07:48<krayn>is not rdy for production what? zfs or crtfs?
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07:49<twb>btrfs is not production-ready.
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07:49<twb>You cannot make it your root filesystem using d-i, but you can do the dance yourself.
07:50<krayn>what you mean?
07:50<douglas>Hello! I'm facing a small issue with the nmcli (aparently a command line application to control the NetworkManager). Can someone point out here I can find help, or provide help?
07:50<babilen>krayn: You could setup btrfs for / manually (as opposed to using the installer)
07:51<twb>krayn: mkfs.btrfs target.btrfs; mount -oloop target.btrfs target; debootstrap target
07:51<babilen>krayn: But don't do this. You will regret it the first time you need fsck and realise that it is not yet available.
07:52<krayn>ok :)
07:52*twb restains himself from commenting
07:52<krayn>but with zfs i can do that? i mean using it asa a root fs
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07:53<cthuluh>btrfsck is in squeeze, though. unusable, probably but in squeeze 8)
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07:54<twb>In theory btrfsck is pointless because if you reach the point where btrfs can't heal itself, nor can any fsck
07:54<momine>I'm new
07:54<cthuluh>fine, momine
07:55<cthuluh>twb: right
07:55<krayn>but no1 have tryied zfs?
07:55<cthuluh>no one*
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07:55<momine>I'm fromm UK
07:55<twb>krayn: the CDDL/GPL fight makes it... nontrivial for GNU/Linux users, which is most of us
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07:57<twb>And I wouldn't bet money on Oracle not running ZFS into the ground
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08:00<serverhamster> I'd like to set the default umask to 002, but how? Changing the value in /etc/login.defs doesn't seem to do anything.
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08:01<jm_>serverhamster: did you notice how login.defs mentions pam_umask?
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08:02<serverhamster>Yes, it does. I tried man 8 pam_umask, but the method isn't in there either.
08:02<sahko>is changing the umask globally sane?
08:02<jm_>you'll need to edit relevant PAM files and add it next to other modules already in it
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08:03<jm_>if it's only for your user you can use shell startup files too
08:03<serverhamster>Ah, adding session optional umask=0002 to /etc/pam.d/login
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08:03<twb>WOOOO. I've nearly tricked it into working
08:03<serverhamster>jm_: It's meant for every user (User Private Groups).
08:04<jm_>serverhamster: right, also keep in min /etc/pam.d/login is not used for everything
08:04<serverhamster>Just writing stuff to NFS shares should be enough
08:05<serverhamster>Oh, there's even something better: session optional usergroups (let's try)
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08:06<sahko>if i replace exim with something like msmtp-mta, when prompting about the replacement, will the exim configuration files be purged?
08:06<petemc>unless you purge
08:07<sahko>so i should remove it manually beforehand? and install msmtp?
08:07<sahko>since i want them to be purged
08:08<themill>sahko: "aptitude install msmtp ~nexim_" should do it
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08:08<Liquid>anyone knows, if I reinstall grub from a Live CD, my linux still bott with my encrypted LVM?
08:08<Liquid>without any problem?
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08:09<sahko>themill: thanks, im not familiar with such advanced operations yet
08:10<themill>sahko: it's a combination of two things ~nexim searches for packages containing the word exim (/msg dpkg aptitude search); the _ purges them (/msg dpkg aptitude ops)
08:13<cwickert>I ran an 'aptitude update' from 5.0.7 to 5.0.8, now /dev/initctl is missing and I cannot reboot or shutdown. I ran 'mknod -m 600 /dev/initctl p' but now I get 'shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl'. what is going on here?
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08:14<jm_>cwickert: so init is not running?
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08:15<cwickert>jm_: it is, it's PID 1
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08:16<jm_>cwickert: but it doesn't have /dev/initctl FIFO opened?
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08:17<cwickert>jm_: how would I check that?
08:18<jm_>cwickert: lsof -p 1
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08:19<cwickert>jm_: in the meantime I ran
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08:20<jm_>cwickert: that permission denied is a bit odd
08:21<cwickert>jm_: I got other denials, some things say I am not superuser although I'm root
08:21<cwickert>I might just trash the whole machine
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08:22<jm_>cwickert: something tells me there's another problem, did you check dmesg output?
08:22<cwickert>jm_: there is none :)
08:23<sKeith>Hi, I'm looking for a debian live cd with ext4 support in kernel. ( i've tried 508 but it only has ext4_dev )
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08:24<sahko>debian 6.0 has live cds as well
08:24<Zhad>feggin thing broke upgrading libc
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08:26<jm_>cwickert: I find it hard to believe that permission denied for root runing lsof is normal
08:26<sKeith>thanks sahko.
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08:29<Leevi>is there anyway to use older version of Kaffeine on Squeeze?
08:29<Leevi>just upgraded Lenny to Squeeze and it uses the new Kaffeine, which is not ready in my opinion
08:29<twb>Leevi: not liking KDE4 ? ;-)
08:30<Leevi>well, haven't tried KDE
08:31<twb>kaffeine isn't some KDE UI?
08:31<twb>Yeah, it is
08:31<twb>"Kaffeine is a media player for Unix-like operating systems running KDE.^[1] By default it uses xine-lib media framework but also supports GStreamer."
08:31<Leevi>Kaffeine is video viewer type of thingie (KDE based I think, but that doesn't matter)
08:32<themill>twb: you're right only if you crudely term a dependency on kdelibs as a "KDE UI"
08:32<Leevi>I would just like to user older version of Kaffeine
08:32<twb>I don't even run X, it's all a big blob of bloat as far as I'm concerned
08:32<sahko>already switched to wayland?
08:32<twb>no, fbcon
08:33*Zhad is still trying to upgrade lenny to squeeze, it broke installing libc6
08:33<twb>Like I want to run a windowing system that isn't even NETWORK TRANSPARENT
08:33<twb>That's right, "Display PDF", I'm looking at you.
08:33<Zhad> /bin/sh: relocation error: /bin/sh: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file with link time reference
08:33<twb>Goddamn Sun licensing killed NeWS
08:33<themill>Leevi: you're more likely to be able to back an easy backport of the newer package in experimental if you feel like some fun... /msg dpkg ssb
08:34<twb>Now I have to watch google reinvent it on top of bloody HTTP
08:34*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
08:35<twb>I have these fits sometimes
08:36<Leevi>themill: thanks
08:37<jm_>glibc 2.2.5? that's ancient
08:37<spodref>is setting up the framebuffer likely to cause fits?
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08:39<twb>spodref: are you running an intel GPU?
08:41<spodref>i have a ati radeon
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08:42*Zhad doesn't know how to fix this.
08:42<Zhad>It's a bit worrying.
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08:42<twb>spodref: don't bother then
08:43<twb>intel GPUs Just Work, everything else is a headache
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08:43<twb>e.g. the nvidia fb driver doesn't work with the evil proprietary X driver, I hear
08:44*bones_was_here is so tempted to rant about GPU drivers
08:44<twb>bones_was_here: and GPU manufacturers! :-/
08:44<maitrey>Hi guys, I have an cunning question. My wi-fi shows full signal, but I cant browse or download. I am living in a hotel and I think they have blocked me somehow. Is it possible to be blocked from router and how can I find out? Or better how can I prevent it? Can I change some information so that the router wouldn't be able to recognize my computer??? thanks a lot
08:44*twb jumps on every vendor's head
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08:45*bones_was_here offers a bounty to someone who can produce a card and driver thats both fast and works properly - proprietary OR free :(
08:45<spodref>so yous implying it would be too much hassle to get a working image viewer in the console?
08:45<twb>apt-get install fbi
08:45<twb>You're probably done
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08:46<twb>I mean, worst case, you can probably run vesafb in a 4:3 resolution
08:46<spodref>thought there was more to it than that, i'll try it out. cheers
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08:47<spodref>are pdfs going to be a bigger problem?
08:47<themill>Zhad: is absolutely everything broken at the moment? (e.g. running /bin/ls or dpkg -l libc\* ?)
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08:49<Zhad>them> not yet
08:50<Zhad>the new libcbin installed
08:50<Zhad>but libc6 itself hasn't
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08:50<Zhad>presumably the old libc6 is still okay. (as in, I can still use the machine).
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08:51<Zhad>If fails with version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file with link time reference
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08:54<maitrey>guys how to find out what is my server name??
08:54<maitrey>server name means computer name??
08:55<cwickert>maitrey: 'hostname -f'
08:55<cwickert>(if you want your computer's name)
08:55<Zhad>also in /etc/hostname normally
08:55<maitrey>is server name the same as computer name??
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08:56<cwickert>maitrey: depends on the context. what exactly is the question of where do you need to enter it?
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08:57<maitrey> I got this answer to solve my problem of not beeing able to browse internet although i have the wifi showing full signal- i suppose they cut me somehow. ok the 365ms shows it is replying. If you run: cat "nameserver" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf then retry the web, does it work?
08:57<maitrey>does it make sense?
08:57<xinkill>nameserver is your dns-server which does the resolving
08:57<xinkill>Mostly that's your router
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08:58<cthuluh>maitrey: echo "nameserver" | tee ...
08:58<maitrey>ok but there is no dns server which i have setuped in the connection setup
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08:59<cwickert>maitrey: use dhcp to automatically get an IP and DNS servers
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08:59<maitrey>I am using automaticall dhcp
09:00<maitrey>now it is even not trying to download
09:00<maitrey>the page
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09:00<maitrey>means after the cthuluh suggestion it showed my computer name and and thats it
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09:01<xinkill>Maitrey: you dhcp enabled?
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09:06<___j>please, how can I run partman from a debian installed system?
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09:07<Zhad>hmm, I just spotted that the version that's coming from the mirror, isn't listed as the current version on debians website
09:08*Zhad thinks the mirror may be stale
09:08<kop>___j: I don't think you do, but you can run parted, or gparted.
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09:08<justin__>I have a problem.
09:09<kop>!tell justin__ about ask
09:09<justin__>When installing debian 6.0.0 from USB
09:09<___j>kop: I'm unable to create a partition using partman
09:09<___j>using parted***
09:09<justin__>It won't get past the "Detecting Network Hardware" point
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09:09<justin__>The hard disk light just flashes
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09:09<kop>!tell ___j about errors
09:09<justin__>But my usb drive light doesn't
09:10<Greya>Hello. Whom can I address to resolve my problem - ACPI or DSDT problem apparently - "Critical temperature reached (110C), shutting down" - I have my DELL computer running very slow, ACPI temperature is now showing 110C - the computer does not shut down but every single program runs very slow and I get this message every time I shut down or boot up or reboot my computer. Thank you!
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09:10<Greya>And I have a fresh Debian Squeeze install
09:11<kop>justin__: Do you need non-free firmware? See the install guide for a solution. Also, you could tell us what the log says. Press alt-f3 (I think) to see it.
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09:11<justin__>Kay, be right back.
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09:11<kop>Greya: Is is a hardware problem? Have you blown the dust out of the case?
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09:12<Zhad>okay. in future, I'll learn not to trust my ISPs debian mirror
09:12<___j>kop: can you take a look, please? I don't know what its happening
09:13<Zhad>of course now that it's the right version, it still fails :-)
09:14<Greya>kop: Yes, of course, my laptop is quite new, less than a year and I regularly blow the dust off)) and I have a permanently working (fans) metal laptop stand
09:14<___j>can anybody help me, please?
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09:19*Zhad really doesn't want to do an install from scratch, does anybody have any idea what I can do next?
09:20<Greya>I have googled lots of bug reports and many people have this problem on different laptops. in many cases their laptops shut down themselves at this critical temperature - mine doesn't - but it prevents me from working normally! and I had the same bug on ubuntu 10.10 - Tha'ts why I reinstalled my system into a new Debian. But the bug is still here(((So, aparently, it its the hardware problem
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09:21<Greya>I found that maybe BIOS update or custom DSDT file may help... but I don't know.. Maybe you guys have a patch or something? :)
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09:35<Greya>hello, anybody here? :)
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09:35<Gromitt>Greya: no
09:36<SynrG>Zhad: so in summary, you have a failed lenny -> squeeze upgrade due to mirror out of date, you've changed mirrors now, and ... ? (can't proceed?)
09:37<Greya>Gromitt: :) are from support team? Can you help me with my question?
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09:37<SynrG>Greya: your problem is sufficiently *not* general so that your chance of someone with lots of general debian knowledge knowing the answer is very slight.
09:38<Zhad>SynrG> still can't proceed, now I've made things worse trying to roll back
09:38<SynrG>lots of people here. just nobody with the answer, apparently
09:38<sKeith>hi, in 5.08 live cd i was able to add a line horizsync 31.5 - 80 into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I could access higher than 1024x768 screen resolutions. now, in squeeze 6.0 live cd i cannot find /etc/X11/xorg.conf to add such line and i dont have access to any res above 1024x768
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09:38<Greya>SynrG: okay, thanks for a reply at least : )
09:39<Gromitt>Greya: ask your question.
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09:41<Zhad>something removed ldconfig
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09:41<Greya>Gromitt: I read this at every boot-reboot-shut down "Critical temperature reached (110C), shutting down" and my DELL computer runs very slow, ACPI temperature is now showing 110C - the computer does not shut down but every single program is laggy. According to many pages I googled, it might be a ACPI or DSDT problem
09:42*Zhad strips it out of libc-bin
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09:43<SynrG>sKeith: normally xorg.conf is not needed now. sounds like your video card is not supported so it falls back to a generic driver.
09:43<Greya>Gromitt: I was running Ubuntu 10.10 and started to have this bug, everything running very slooow. So, some day ago I reinstalled to the new Debian squeeze - but thebug appeared again - ACPI 110C and everything slow
09:43<Zhad>now I've killed it completely
09:44<SynrG>sKeith: either that or your display is sending back crappy edid info
09:44<Zhad>mind you, I thought doing what I did would kill it
09:44<Gromitt>hm ...
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09:44<Gromitt>does deinstalling acpi help you?
09:44<SynrG>Zhad: i hope you have a good backup
09:45<Zhad>I take it that there's no suck thing as a reapir install where is just grabs your package lists and make a clean install
09:45<sKeith>SynrG: do I have any options, if I create a xorg.conf identical to old one, will it be read.
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09:45<SynrG>Zhad: you could boot from some live image, then save as much stuff as you can from there
09:46<Greya>Gromitt: I didn't try it... I only searched a lot before trying this and that - I don't want to break the systme down by trying thing I don;t know
09:46*Zhad is mostly worried about his postgrfesql shema
09:46<SynrG>Zhad: do a fresh install, then apply manually the things worth saving. (in my experience, a lot of stuff is "cruft" so just restoring everything is a bad idea)
09:47<SynrG>so, tar up home, etc, var ...
09:47<Gromitt>Greya: Correct me, if I am wrong; I think, that deinstalling acpi for testing should not break your system at all.
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09:47<Zhad> /home is more than 1.5TB
09:47<SynrG>and check if you have other local stuff in /usr/local, /opt, etc.
09:47<Greya>Gromitt: I can give you the links I found where people say they managed to fix this bug. And also I found there's a new BIOS update for my laptop on DELL website
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09:47<SynrG>Zhad: presumably the install did nothing to that, so leave it where it is.
09:47<Gromitt>Greya: I am at work and have no time to read this links...
09:47<SynrG>you'll need, however, to have a fresh partition separate from home to install into
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09:48<Zhad>can;t I just move everything into a different folder and put a fresh install on / ?
09:49<themill>Zhad: if you can manually extract libc-bin and the appropriate libc6 (with dpkg -x) and then run the maintainer scripts, this is salvageable still
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09:49<SynrG>sKeith: you can create an xorg.conf, yes. it's not like Xorg doesn't read it. it just doesn't need one now because autodetection does a good enough job.
09:49<Zhad>themill> I'll need to reboot into a recovery system first, libc-bin is broken
09:49<SynrG>sKeith: the real question is "what is the real problem here?"
09:50<Greya>Gromitt: Sorry, I'm just not a pro, I'm just an advanced user (but don't undestand much in hardware, bios details...).. I'll try to deinstall acpi
09:50<SynrG>sKeith: but you haven't given enough info for anyone to help (e.g. output of lspci, xrandr, etc.)
09:50<themill>Zhad: there's a chance of being able to do that just by messing about with LD_PRELOAD too, but if you have physical access and can boot off some sort of recovery disk then it will be easier
09:51*Zhad has a knoppix build on a stick in his wallet
09:51*Zhad will bbiab
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09:54<sKeith>SynrG: thanks, as this is just for a live cd and not a pernament install I dont need anybody to spend much effort on this, i'll try the xorg.conf idea then give up on it. I can get the job done in 1024x768, i was only be a bonus to have the higher resolution. thanks for your time.
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09:55<Greya>Gromitt: should I deinstall "acpi" or "acpid" package?
09:55<Gromitt>Greya: good question.
09:55<Gromitt>perhaps both.
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09:57<SynrG>sKeith: i have an interest in making the live CDs better, since i'm on the debian-live team, so i was just curious.
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09:57<SynrG>sKeith: though it is likely not a live-specific issue.
09:57<sKeith>okay, i'll get the info you require.
09:58<sKeith>how do i get output from xrandr?
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09:58<SynrG>also, "lspci -v"
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09:59<SynrG>actually, that's too wordy
09:59<SynrG>just "lspci -nn" is fine
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10:01<justin__>Ok, so I need to put custom firmware on the USB drive I have
10:01<justin__>That I will install from
10:01<justin__>How do I do that?
10:01<SynrG>the installation manual has details
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10:01<justin__>Only thing
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10:01<justin__>I can't put it in
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10:02<justin__>Because the disk is unreadable
10:02<justin__>But bootable
10:02<justin__>I used dd
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10:03<SynrG>use the unofficial netinst image with non-free firmware included?
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10:03<justin__>Doesn't help for me
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10:03<justin__>Because I have a wireless connection passworded with WPA
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10:03<Greya>Gromitt: deinstalled, rebooted, it didn't help(
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10:04<Gromitt>Greya: Ok, I have no clue then, sorry...
10:05<Greya>Gromitt: Anyway, thanks for your time)
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10:06<SynrG>justin__: if i had the answer at my fingertips i'd give it to you. i haven't had to solve your particular problem yet.
10:07<SynrG>all i know is that the installer makes provision for getting firmware at install time from somewhere and the manual explains how. beyond that ... i'm useless :/
10:07<justin__>But, I still have a problem
10:08<justin__>Should it freeze at "Detect Network Hardware"?
10:08<sKeith>xrandr output is probably not what you expect.
10:08<SynrG>justin__: did you provide any error messages as someone indicated earlier?
10:08<SynrG>haven't been following the whole time
10:08<justin__>That's why i'm asking about the firmware stuff
10:09<justin__>It gave me an error that it could not detect the firmware
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10:09<justin__>In the logs
10:09<cjhmdm>hello, how can I force my usb sound card to be primary? I've disabled my onboard hda controller, rebooted, etc but when I "cat /proc/asound/cards" it shows my usb card as 1 instead of 0 --- 1 [default]: USB-Audio - USB PnP Sound Device
10:09<justin__>there were also some dev i/o errors or something
10:09<cjhmdm>I should note that there's nothing returning for 0
10:09<Zhad>themill> I've got a bit back :-)
10:09<SynrG>sKeith: why did you do that as root? neither command needs to be run as root
10:10<sKeith>i didn't know
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10:11*Zhad wonders how long this would have taken back in the days when you couldn't download packages quite so quickly
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10:12<justin__>So, you guys can't help me?
10:12<a931bw>How do i install virtual box on bigmem kernel?
10:12<justin__>I just need to copy my firmware to the USB drive - but it doesn't work
10:12<justin__>And it freezes on "Detecting Network Hardware"
10:12<babilen>Are you aware of anything I could do if my mails don't make it to debian-user? I am subscribed to the whitelist, but they are just not coming through. I suspect that they are filtered somewhere.
10:13<sKeith>xrandr new output as user now added to the pastebin
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10:13<Zhad>Damn linbc6 still doesn't install
10:14<a931bw>How do i install virtual box on bigmem kernel?
10:15<Zhad>dammit, segfault on everything again
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10:15<themill>Zhad: you probably need to manually put back a few symlinks in /lib (the ones the maintainer script would have made)
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10:16<a931bw>How do i install virtual box on bigmem kernel?
10:17<Alam_Squeeze>the VirtualBox modules?
10:17<a931bw>kernel module
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10:18<Alam_Squeeze>install the dkms package, VirtualBox comes with DKMS packages that will compile the kernel modules for every kernel installed on your system
10:18<SynrG>sKeith: will take a look
10:19<SynrG>sKeith: which paste? i'm not seeing it
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10:19<sKeith>line 28
10:20<SynrG>ah, new paste
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10:20<a931bw>virtualbox-ose-dkms is already the newest version.
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10:20<sKeith>oh, didnt notice. oops
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10:22<SynrG>hm. lspci -v might tell you something after all (at least, which video driver is used)
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10:22<home-alone>hi . why cant i paste anything into terminal
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10:23<a931bw>Alam_Squeeze its installed
10:23<a931bw>but still
10:23<gsimmons>dpkg: tell a931bw -about vbox-install squeeze
10:23<a931bw>WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist.
10:23<a931bw> Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and the appropriate
10:23<a931bw> headers, most likely linux-headers-686.
10:23<Alam_Squeeze>a931bw: but the modules is not... did you just updated to squeeze?
10:23<SynrG>sKeith: ah. out of my area of expertise. maybe fiddling with kms setting may help
10:24<SynrG>sKeith: not sure whether kms is enabled by default or not
10:24<a931bw>Alam, i'm at wheezy
10:24<SynrG>sKeith: something like nouveau.modeset=0 to disable or =1 to enable
10:24<SynrG>(boot parameter)
10:25<sKeith>maybe i just get a new videocard!
10:25<Zhad>themill: how do I know what they are?
10:25<a931bw>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6-bigmem"
10:25<themill>Zhad: do you have another squeeze box you can compare to?
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10:25<Zhad>I have several lennys, but no squeeze
10:26<SynrG>sKeith: seems drastic to do that before trying the alternatives :)
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10:26<Zhad>I don't think it's happy having libc6 and libc6-bin as different versions :-)
10:26<Alam_Squeeze>a931bw: try /usr/sbin/dkm -m virtualbox-ose -a
10:26<Alam_Squeeze>I forget the install
10:26<sKeith>not drastic at all, i have loads lying around here.
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10:26<a931bw>/usr/sbin/dkm no suck file or directory
10:26<themill>Zhad: indeed it won't be
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10:27<a931bw>fixed to dkms
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10:28<SynrG>sKeith: which particular live image? (any of the desktop images should have nouveau drivers on them)
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10:28<themill>a931bw: you need to install "linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem" and then follow the rest of what gsimmons said.
10:29<home-alone>is there something like "software center" for squeeze
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10:29<themill>gsimmons: we need to fix all those uname -r|sed bits so that they work with bigmem kernels, btw. I've fixed a few already (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze for example) but there are plenty more
10:29<jeremiah_>home-alone: You might want to look at something called "synaptic"
10:29<sKeith>currently running debian-live-6.0.0-i386-kde-desktop.iso, have debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso downloaded as well, just not burnt yet
10:30<jeremiah_>home-alone: It allows you to install nearly any of the 30,000 Debian packages.
10:30<jeremiah_>And you can sort by type, name, etc.
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10:30<SynrG>sKeith: both will yield similar results i'm sure.
10:31<gsimmons>themill: Right, I'll start adjusting. Thanks for the pointer.
10:31<home-alone>synapetic is good . but SC is good GI installer . I will go for apt-get install then
10:32<themill>gsimmons: it has to be said that «uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'» looks like some kind of horrific smiley though
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10:32<SynrG>sKeith: these may help:
10:33<SynrG>live-config.xorg-driver=XORG_DRIVER xorg-driver=XORG_DRIVER
10:33<SynrG> Allows to set xorg driver instead of autodetecting it.
10:33<SynrG>live-config.xorg-resolution=XORG_RESOLUTION xorg-resolution=XORG_RESOLUTION
10:33<SynrG> Allows to set xorg resolution instead of autodetecting it.
10:33<SynrG>sKeith: specified as boot parameters
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10:33*themill introduces SynrG to
10:33<Alam_Squeeze>a931bw: I got it, ls /usr/src, there should be a virtualbox folder there
10:33<SynrG>sKeith: don't know, though. if xorg misdetects horizsync/vertrefresh ...
10:34<a931bw>installing headers helped
10:34<SynrG>themill: oh, does 4 lines exceed policy here? sorry
10:34<Alam_Squeeze>ahh, I see
10:34<a931bw>these uname -r one's didn't work
10:34<a931bw>had to manualy enter
10:34<themill>SynrG: well with the lines you typed before and after you got 6 and you were lucky debhelper didn't kick you. (your client throttled you which is probably why you didn't get kicked, actually)
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10:35<themill>a931bw: yep, dpkg's instructions are being tinkered with as we speak so that it works better with bigmem kernels
10:36<sKeith>SynrG: i'll let you know how if either of those boot parms work
10:36<SynrG>themill: i'm well acquainted with pastebins in any case, and always use it for anything exceeding 4 lines ... but if 4 lines is still too much here, i'll pastebin from now on. what *is* the accepted minimum?
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10:37<SynrG>er, maximum
10:37<petemc>anything over 2 is a bit rude
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10:37<sKeith>SynrG: as I said, if I added "horizsync 31.5 - 80" to conf file in older release it would work.
10:37<themill>SynrG: three lines gets you a dirty look, four lines will usually get you kicked by debhelper, as a general rule.
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10:37<SynrG>sKeith: comparing with the older release is not a fair comparison as it lacked nouveau
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10:38<a931bw>windows takes so long to instal
10:38<a931bw>in vbox
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10:38<a931bw>and even longer in actual pc: (
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10:39<Zhad>I can't find lenny libc-bin
10:39<Zhad>is it part of another package?
10:39<Belier2002>Hello! I want backup all my data of my debian's server in a ftp (i have the details of one), and reinstall it
10:40<Belier2002>do you know how can I do? =)
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10:40<Belier2002>there is some for to do a TAR file of all the disk?
10:40<Belier2002>or upload all the files
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10:41<Belier2002>it will be more nice, because in this form I can copy all the files that I will re-use =)
10:41<nightwalker_zen>hi, everyone! I'm using debian 5 Lenny, i have no idea that the transparent proxy couldn't work as well
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10:41<themill>Zhad: libc-bin is a new package as of squeeze; all its binaries used to be in libc6
10:42<nightwalker_zen>i think it should be right with this : http_port 3128 transparent
10:42<Belier2002>anyone knows? =)
10:42<nightwalker_zen>but it doesn't work
10:43<orko>Somebody please point me to the Debian installar website, I mean which installer does Debian use, it's website address.
10:43<SynrG>sKeith: at this point pastebinning /var/log/Xorg.0.log is probably most instructive, though i wouldn't necessarily be able to help debug after that :) i'm just interested in the general class of problems: how do i work around xorg misdetection issues in a live environment? if those two parameters are insufficient we might be able to help with something new in future versions
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10:44<SynrG>sKeith: and back to your original query, yes, you can create your own xorg.conf on the live media and restart X, starting with a copy of the xorg.conf from the old image, but i wouldn't necessarily expect it to work straight off because there have been many changes between releases (notably, the addition of the nouveau driver) so some hand tweaking may be needed.
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10:46<cjhmdm>hello, how can I enable font anti-aliasing in lxde (squeeze)?
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10:47*Zhad crosses fingers
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10:47<Zhad>trying to replace libc6 with the versin that's already installed produces the same error as upgrading it.
10:47<Zhad> /bin/sh: relocation error: /bin/sh: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file with link time reference
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10:48<sKeith>how do i add boot parms? at boot menu?
10:48<sKeith>^squeeze live cd 6.0
10:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 531] by debhelper
10:49<babilen>sKeith: Edit /etc/default/grub -- GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX(_DEFAULT) and run "update-grub"
10:50<Zhad>bab> on a liveCD?
10:52<dvs>hit F2 on the boot screen?
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10:52<babilen>Zhad: No, not on a live CD. Sorry sKeith :)
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10:53<sKeith>dvs - nothing
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10:55<SynrG>sKeith: doesn't it say on the bottom line or so?
10:55<sKeith>okay, I've found a hidden option / offscreen option, kept pressing down , so it'll be the last option, this brings up another screen with an f5 option to add boot parms.
10:56<SynrG>that's a bug. sorry about that
10:56<SynrG>wil be fixed in
10:56<zlatan>hi...I installed supertux kart...and performance is very low...even on 800*640
10:56<SynrG>6.0.1 obviously (sorry, was lagged and didn't see other keystrokes)
10:56<zlatan>I have nVidia GeForce 8400GS graphic but no proprietary driver
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10:56<zlatan>is there maybe a need for it or I must just apply on sistem>
10:57<SynrG>zlatan: i'm not sure of the status of nouveau in squeeze, but i think 3d is not quite ready for prime time
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10:57<gsimmons>zlatan: The nouveau driver packaged in Squeeze has no 3D support whatsoever.
10:57<orko>Debian 6 is awesome, I congratulate the Debian community for the great work. Debian wheezy here I come!!!
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10:58<zlatan>gsimmons, okay,thanks
10:58<SynrG>zlatan: on my 8400GS i'm using the non-free driver. works fine.
10:58<zlatan>SynrG, yes,but would like it free driver ;)
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10:58<SynrG>so would i!
10:59<SynrG>but i take what i can get
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11:01<jrchamp>Is anyone else having a strange issue where the mouse acts as though you are still holding down the mouse button?
11:01<jrchamp>I only started seeing it this week. Debian sid.
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11:03<themill>jrchamp: synergy?
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11:04<jrchamp>themill: How would I check that?
11:04*Zhad would probably appreciate Debian 6 if the bloody thing would install
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11:04<themill>jrchamp: don't worry, you'd know if you were using synergy; that's the only time I've seen that problem.
11:05*Zhad is getting the feeling that every time something does an ldconfig, the machine dies
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11:05<themill>Zhad: yeah, probably.
11:06<SynrG>jrchamp: i've seen it happen in two other contexts: button failure and VNC
11:07*Zhad doesn't know what to do next
11:07<jrchamp>themill: I tried downgrading xorg and evdev, but no luck.
11:07<SynrG>in the case of button failure it was a 1st generation eeepc. the touchpad buttons are fragile and prone to stick
11:07<jrchamp>SynrG: As in, replace the physical mouse and see if that helps?
11:07<SynrG>in the case of VNC, key events easily become "stuck" if you start them and then switch windows before releasing the key
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11:07<SynrG>jrchamp: yes
11:07<SynrG>in the case of the eeepc i had to physically detach the touchpad cable inside the netbook
11:08<SynrG>oh, and i've seen it happen on an old thinkpad too. same procedure to fix it.
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11:11<SynrG>note that if you're on a laptop with a touchpad, even if you're using an external mouse the touchpad button may seem to "spontaneously" stick in place (probably a case where the button is already very close to sticking and just needs the gentlest nudge to really stick, due to vibrations transmitted through the keyboard :P)
11:11<SynrG>at least, that's how it was on the thinkpad
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11:14<ichbin>help me to hack site ?
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11:15<bmhatfield>ichbin: what?
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11:17<jrchamp>Thanks SynrG, themill. I'll try a second mouse and see if that helps.
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11:18<a931bw>Debian + compiz expo plugin + full screen virtualbox does magic
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11:19<ram>hello, i try to boot from my usb, but debian says the usb is not a bootable one. but i booted from the usb before. how come? how can I fix it? or is there any other way?
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11:32<fnmueller>I accidentally said "no" to the question if to migrate the old drive mappings to new ones during a lenny to squeeze upgrade. How do I trigger this wizard again, so I can have this done automatically?
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11:33<themill>fnmueller: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-base" should do it for you
11:33<fnmueller>themill: ty
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11:34<fnmueller>worked like a charm
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11:49<Kosmonavt>Do SSH and bridging interoperate? I'm having 2 ethernet cards connected through a bridge with address. Traffic between plugged machines goes ok, but neither bridge pings nor SSH accessible. What can be a reason? Are special routes to be set?
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11:50<SynrG>afaik a properly implemented bridge is entirely transparent, but maybe that's naive.
11:50<SynrG>if you suspect protocol-specific wierdness, go simpler with your tests, like netcat
11:50<ckk>Kosmonavt: works for me
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11:51<Kosmonavt>hm, quite strange
11:51<Kosmonavt>I'm getting "Unreachable" errors
11:51<SynrG>so it seems your bridge is broken
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11:52<Kosmonavt>maybe. If it can help, using Debian 5.0 recently updated
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11:52<SynrG>you mean you had a bridge that worked, upgraded, and it broke? or you've newly implemented bridging on the updated system?
11:52<ckk>Kosmonavt: how are you configuring the bridge? view /etc/network/interfaces, or custom stuff?
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11:53<Kosmonavt>I haven't used the bridge before, so dunno if some upgrades broke it
11:53<Kosmonavt>I'm configuring bridge with brctl
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11:54<SynrG>it's more likely that you've just misconfigured it, then.
11:54<Kosmonavt>setting addresses to both interfaces, then raising a bridge via "brctl addbr" "brctl addif", then assigning address to it via ifconfig, then "ifconfig br0 up"
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11:55<ckk>Kosmonavt: IIRC, there was a specific sequence of steps to follow, something like interface ethX up, brctl brX addif ethX, ifconfig brX
11:55<ckk>Kosmonavt: you could spare yourself a lot of trouble by going via bridge-utils-interfaces(5)
11:55<Kosmonavt>manual says that network cards go in promiscious mode. do I have to set it by myself, or is it setting automatically?
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11:57<Kosmonavt>I'm followed steps at in "Sample setup" section
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11:59<Kosmonavt>ckk: yes, looks like writing to /etc/network/interfaces would be less error-prone
11:59<Kosmonavt>will try it after some time
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12:00<Kosmonavt>ckk: thanks for tips!
12:00<ckk>no problem
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12:02<ckk>Kosmonavt:the most trivial working example:
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12:04<Kosmonavt>ckk: does bridge-utils package contain bridge-utils-interfaces?
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12:05<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:05<ckk>Kosmonavt: yes, it should provide that manpage
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12:06<Kosmonavt>ckk: it's very good, since the machine isn't connected to inet
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12:09<humberto>ALGIEN ESPAÑOL
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12:10<humberto>ME ODIANNN
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12:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:11<themill>!es-social humberto
12:11<dpkg>humberto: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:10<Talon_>I just noticed something in my recent install of debian squeeze. I have a volume applet on one of my panels which was there since the initial install (I didnt add it) anyways it has a slider that works and a button for volume control, when i click it, it says gnome-volume-control no such file, what package is that in?
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13:13<Talon_>thx, installing that package now
13:14<Talon_>worked :)
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13:15<stderr_dk>Talon_: Next time you want to know what package a file belongs to, apt-file might be your friend.
13:16<stderr_dk>aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search gnome-volume-control
13:16<stderr_dk>That should do the trick...
13:16<Talon_>rock on, that will come in handy with more pesky things i find missing :)
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13:19<sahko>doesnt dpkg -S <filename> do the same?
13:20<sahko>oh, that way you have to use the actual file name
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13:20<petemc>dpkg -S only works for installed packages
13:20<dpkg>You Fool! only works for installed packages is installed!
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13:21<sahko>right, didnt read all apt-file's description. it says that
13:23<Talon_>also, is there something else that dictates when a computer goes into sleep mode? I used power management and set everything to never but somehow if i walk away for like 30 mins this laptops suspended and I gotta turn it on, most the time when i turn it back on i just have a black screen and my mouse so I haveto hard-reset it.. gets kinda annoying... only happens when i walk away for a while
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13:35<monkey0606>hi can anyone in help me with trouble shooting the problem of commands keep on hanging problem?
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13:36<monkey0606>so I have a server running lenny
13:36<convidado>Hello! I've installed StatSVN, but I'm unable to run
13:37<monkey0606>and for some reason after a while commands keeps on hanging
13:37<convidado>Somebody could help me?
13:37<retrospectacus>monkey0606, like what commands
13:37<monkey0606>so where should I start wit trouble shooting
13:37<SynrG>monkey0606: all commands or just some commands?
13:37<retrospectacus>monkey0606, run "top" and see if anything is taking all the cpu
13:38<monkey0606>can't do top
13:38<monkey0606>it hands
13:38<bartm>monkey0606, does the entire system freeze?
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13:39<monkey0606>the system is not freezing, I can log in through ssh, I can look at files with less
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13:39<bartm>then you can run "top" :)
13:39<monkey0606>the problem is that I can't run top
13:40<retrospectacus>how about "ps faux|less -S" and see if anything's taken all the CPU
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13:41<monkey0606>nothing takes up the cpu
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13:41<monkey0606>I think one of the nfs share hangs
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13:42<SynrG>monkey0606: that was my first suspicion, which is why i asked 'all commands or just some commands?'
13:42<SynrG>if you type 'df' and it hangs, particularly at the point where it would show you the nfs share ...
13:42<SynrG>that's pretty damning evidence
13:42<monkey0606>yes that's exactly what I see
13:43<monkey0606>is there anyway to see why the nfs hangs?
13:43<ayaka>well,mates,I have problem with alsa pulseaudio,jack,wine said it don't work proboly,be lack of pulseaudio to alsa
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13:46<SynrG>monkey0606: i know enough to know that it can happen, but not to solve it myself.
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13:46<cahoot>ayaka: a rahter complex setup
13:47<ayaka>cahoot, ?
13:47<cahoot>alsa pulseaudio,jack,wine
13:47<sret>when i do a # freshclam i get a warning saying its outodate, upgrade to 0.97, though im using 0.96 on squeeze, is this ok?
13:47<monkey0606>thanks SynrG, anyone?
13:48<sret>or do i need to upgrade clamav?
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13:49<sret>i thought freshclama was supposed to update the virus database, but if its telling me to update to 0.97 then?
13:50<sret>is it necessary or i can ignore these warnings?
13:50<SynrG>don't know. check the freshclam doc?
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13:51<ayaka>cahoot, ok,but this a problem,some program need pulse,some don't support jack
13:51<sret>SynrG: the freshclam docs dont say much, it just talks about updating for 0.97
13:52<ayaka>cahoot, and pulse work not normal before I config asound.conf
13:52<SynrG>if it's telling you to upgrade for no good reason, that's annoying enough to file a bug
13:52<SynrG>read the release notes for 0.97?
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13:52<cahoot>ayaka: what app presumes pulseaudio?
13:52<sret>well i using 0.96 on squeeze, so im not sure why it would ask me to upgrade to 0.97 just so i can update the virus database
13:53<sret>i dont run windows on this debian box, so is it necessary?
13:53<ayaka>cahoot, you said need pulse?mplayer and audacious
13:54<cahoot>Idoubt that
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13:54<sret>i would avoid pulseradio, isnt that like supposed to mess up sound all together?
13:54<SynrG>sret: if you've already decided you can ignore it, why ask here? :) or else do as i said and read the release notes. if it looks compelling to upgrade, then upgrade, otherwise ignore it.
13:54<cahoot>in my experience mplayer works fine without any pulseaudio
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13:55<SynrG>(example compelling reason "the server no longer works with 0.96 so you must upgrade")
13:55<sret>SynrG: no im saying i dont have a windows install on this box therefore is it necessary
13:55<ayaka>cahoot, mplayer have output to alsa and jack,but jack don't output angthing
13:55<SynrG>that's for you to decide.
13:55<SynrG>you installed it
13:55<SynrG>what was your reason for installing it?
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13:56<sret>i had it in lenny and updated it in squeeze, thats about it
13:56<doubledutch>Hallo! What is the best package to apt-get for configuring which daemons start at boot?
13:56<SynrG>sret: does this box serve other boxes that run windows?
13:56<sret>though some folks here said if i dont have a windows install in this machine, i wont need to run an av kit
13:56<SynrG>if so, it may serve a useful purpose to not forward on viruses
13:56<sret>SynrG: nope
13:56<SynrG>do you run wine apps on it?
13:56<SynrG>then you probably don't need it
13:57<sret>although the debian box controls the network traffic
13:57<sret>the traffic is routed via the debian box
13:57<sret>to all other laptops which run windows
13:58<SynrG>if you're talking about routing in the normal sense of the word, clamav doesn't come into the picture (you're not doing any content-based filtering of network traffic are you?)
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13:59<SynrG>clamav would typically be used to filter email
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13:59<SynrG>if your box doesn't perform that service for the windows boxes, then it's probably not needed.
13:59<sret>i use eovlution on the deb box thats about it
13:59<sret>on the laptops running windows, there's no outlook or anything running
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14:00<SynrG>(clamav *can* be plugged in other ways ... e.g. proxying http)
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14:00<sret>whats that for?
14:01<SynrG>apt-cache show havp
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14:02<SynrG>also clamfs for another way it could be used
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14:02<sret>whats http proxy for via clamav?
14:03<SynrG>15:01 < SynrG> apt-cache show havp
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14:03<SynrG>^^ that was intended to answer your question
14:03<sret>E: invalid operation show
14:03<SynrG>you're doing it wrong
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14:04<SynrG>apt-cache, not apt-get
14:04<LotR>N: Unable to locate package havp
14:04<sret>unable to locatepkg havp
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14:05<sret>E: no pks found
14:05<ayaka>Can edit PDF in linux?
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14:05<SynrG>aw, nuts. they removed it from squeeze :)
14:05<bartm>ayaka, create .pdf files, yes
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14:06<LotR>googling for it works too :)
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14:07<ayaka>bartm, but some file is pdf,I can't edit it?
14:08<SynrG>hmm, flpsed
14:08<SynrG>allows editing ... sort of :)
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14:11<sret>ok i odnt think i'll need havp
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14:12<sret>thanks though
14:13<SynrG>yes, i'm the king of irrelevant trivia :p
14:14<sret>i assumed it was some kinda proxy as in it spoofs your real ip or osmething if you use http
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14:16<SynrG>well, the fact that it can be used as a transparent proxy and the fact that you say you route traffic for windows boxes ... made me think it had a potential application here.
14:16<sret>ah ok
14:17<SynrG>but that may be more hassle than you want to deal with :)
14:17<sret>naa i mean iptables just controls the traffic
14:17<SynrG>mhm. wrong OSI level
14:18<sret>i know what OSI is but whats bad about this ?
14:18<john>hi anybody using the new aptosid
14:19<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
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14:20<SynrG>sret: routers are at layer 3. clamav can be plugged in to do filtering at layer 7
14:20<SynrG>sret: if you're not already involved in layer 7 filtering, you probably don't want the hassle
14:20<sret>whats layer7 filtering though?
14:20<john>sorry seems something gone wrong on my aptosid box did not joing aptosid irc and joined here
14:20<SynrG>read the article? :)
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14:21<sret>as of now the debian box allows traffic for http, etc
14:22<sret>it just blocks certain UDP traffic and does per ip rating, those apply for all the local machines as debian directs traffic, that's bad?
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14:23<SynrG>no, not bad, just primitive. fortunately, that's good enough for most cases.
14:24<sret>why primitive?
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14:25<SynrG>when i said "wrong OSI level" i meant only that it can only operate on the stuff it handles at that layer, and that doesn't include tearing apart http packets, grokking the contents, and mediating traffic based on what it finds.
14:25<SynrG>not that it was wrong for your case
14:26<SynrG>this is a much more sophisticated (and costly!) means of traffic control, mostly not needed by small networks.
14:26<sret>ah ok
14:26<SynrG>as i said, king of irrelevant trivia :)
14:26<SynrG>i'll shut up now
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14:26<sret>lol no im still learning, thanks for the pointers:P
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14:39<AgentC>have anyone experience with pulseaudio? can i setup a radiostation on my local network with this util ? is there a manual out for simple setup ?
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14:41<florian_>cd ~/mail/
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14:44<Dominus>How do you check debian version and kernel version?
14:44<AgentC>is there a driver and gui tool for use with skystar2 tv digital sat receiver card (pci) for debian ?
14:44<Dominus>I don't remember -.-
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14:46<retrospectacus>Dominus: cat /etc/debian_version and uname -a
14:46<mc68040>Dominus: cat /etc/debian_version; cat /proc/version
14:46<Dominus>Thanks ^__^
14:47<AgentC>Dominus: uname -r
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14:47<AgentC>Dominus: or uname -a
14:47<AgentC>Dominus: or cat /etc/debian_version
14:47<Dominus>I got it :)
14:48<AgentC>Dominus: 8=) i changed to squeeze too last days. pretty nice!!
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14:49<Dominus>What is squeeze? :b
14:49<AgentC>Dominus: may be something what you need when nobody have time for you :)
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14:50<Dominus>Debian 6.0!
14:51<retrospectacus>Debian 6 is squeeze
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14:51<AgentC>Dominus: 5.0 is lenny
14:51<Dominus>I get it now :D
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14:52<Kosmonavt>i've recently asked a question about network bridges. still no luck. tried bridge-utils-interfaces, much more handy, but doesn't solve problem. from unbridged port bridge is seen and pingable. from bridged ones it pings with timeout and nmap shows only machine itself. any ideas about config?
14:52<AgentC>Kosmonavt: me not
14:53<mc68040>Kosmonavt: what you mean with unbridged port?
14:53<AgentC>is there a way to use a sat-receiver pci card on linux ?
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14:54<Kosmonavt>mc68040: I have 3 ethernet cards. 2 of them are connected with bridge, and 3rd is supposed to be connected to WAN in future.
14:54<mc68040>Kosmonavt: you have to enable ip_forwarding
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14:55<mc68040>Kosmonavt: you know you cant bridge to a WLAN interface just so?
14:55<Kosmonavt>mc68040: do you mean setting "1" in /proc/[somepath]/ip_forwarding? it is set now
14:55<Kosmonavt>mc68040: i have no WLAN cards here, only wired
14:56<mc68040>Kosmonavt: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should be 1
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14:57<Kosmonavt>mc68040: it is set now. i'll be offline for some time, will check iptables settings again
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14:58<mc68040>Kosmonavt: my way to set it: enable it in /etc/sysctl.conf and run sysctl -p
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15:02<Kosmonavt>mc68040: i'm back. having the following iptables settings applied on startup:
15:04<AgentC>mc68040: i got uae running on linux, ... sounds like 1985 :-) really nice.
15:04*AgentC ears are happy about the sound ;-) nostalic ;)
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15:05<AgentC>what does it mean when i get the startup-error on xwin "error loading theme blueswirl" ?
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15:07<mc68040>AgentC: :)
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15:12<mc68040>Kosmonavt: AFAIK you need the conntrack modules loaded when using NAT
15:13<mc68040>Kosmonavt: whats the output of lsmod?
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15:15<AgentC>does any1 knows about to install a skystar2 technisat card pci on linux ?
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15:15<na>first of all, it's 'the linux'
15:15<Kosmonavt>mc68040: ok, will check now
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15:18<Kosmonavt>mc68040: here's the output of lsmod
15:19<Kosmonavt>mc68040: if it matters, using Debian 5.0 here
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15:23<mc68040>Kosmonavt: looks ok, can you show me the output from: brctl show; ifconfig -a; iptables -L -v -n; iptables -t nat -L -v -n
15:23<Kosmonavt>mc68040: in several minutes
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15:28<Kosmonavt>mc68040: here it is
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15:29<mc68040>Kosmonavt: why are eth2 and br0 in same subnet? thats wrong
15:30<Kosmonavt>mc68040: frankly, haven't noticed that as a flaw. will now try to correct it
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15:34<engywucz>is there a "new" testing already?
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15:35<engywucz>or will there be a consolidation phase with "just" stable, oldstable and sid for a short while?
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15:35<Zhad>doesn't unstable become testing?
15:36<engywucz>nope, unstable stays unstable :D
15:36<Hydroxide>engywucz, Zhad: there's already a new testing
15:36<Hydroxide>and there was basically as soon as the release is done
15:36<ompaul>engywucz: traffic goes SID -> testing -> when stable wheezy so yes, no and of course all exist all the time.
15:36<Hydroxide>it's called wheezy
15:36<engywucz>ah, k
15:36<Hydroxide>and wheezy started as a copy of squeeze, not unstable, but of course things have already migrated in the usual way from unstable to wheezy
15:36<engywucz>any large disruptions when upgrading to new testing?
15:36<ompaul>only the wheezy gets changed to protect the guilty
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15:37<ompaul>engywucz: testing is testing is testing, it is not for production, but should in the main be ok, but it can be very "interesting" at times as can SID
15:37<Hydroxide>well, again, wheezy started as the same thing as squeeze, but there are lots of transitions that either are happening, have already happened, or will happen in the next month or two
15:38<Hydroxide>wait a few months if you want testing to be as stable as testing usually is - which of course is less stable than stable
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15:38<engywucz>sure, as always. On servers testing is no-no, of course
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15:38<ompaul>already today a squeeze box I use for beta testing things got over 300 megs moving up to SID
15:38<engywucz>but I'm willing to accept the unstableness of testing.
15:38<engywucz>relative unstable
15:38<engywucz>more stable than other stable distributions :)
15:38<ompaul>engywucz: you mean relative stability :)
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15:39<engywucz>nope, relative unstable to stable
15:39<engywucz>relative stable to some other distributions, of course :D
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15:39<cahoot>half full or half empty
15:39<Hydroxide>engywucz: well, then the answer depends on your risk tolerance :) I have a laptop that's been running sid both before and after the squeeze release, other machines running squeeze, and one machine that I still need to upgrade from lenny to squeeze at some point
15:39<ompaul>engywucz: then just do it, and remember you should read what the upgrade says, if it is removing something so core that it breaks your machine
15:39<Hydroxide>(though the motherboard on that one won't power on so it's mostly moot)
15:40<engywucz>ok, then
15:40*engywucz adds wheezy to sources-list
15:40<Hydroxide>engywucz: so I haven't actually used wheezy yet
15:40<Hydroxide>good luck!
15:40<themill>you'll need it
15:40<engywucz>I have an mage of the machine from some days ago, so....
15:41<Hydroxide>a "mage of the machine" would be even more interesting :-)
15:41<Tiff>take a druid of the machine instead
15:41<ompaul>warlocks in case you need magical restores
15:41<kop>engywucz: You could instead just run newer software on squeeze. There's and other options at
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15:44<Kosmonavt>mc68040: oh yeah, it was my epic fault! at last, it works. thanks for assistance!
15:45<mc68040>Kosmonavt: no problem
15:45<engywucz>where's the fun in backports? :D
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15:48<ompaul>Kosmonavt: why not write up the unfailure as a clue sheet for your local lug or on some blog page that shows how to do it right ;-)
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16:22<AgentC>any1 awake? my squeeze crashed after triing to setup b2c2-flexcop-pci driver. dunno what went wrong
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16:24<SynrG>AgentC: anything in the logs?
16:24<SynrG>AgentC: when you say "crashed" you mean what, exactly?
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16:26<AgentC>SynrG: i inserted b2c2-flexcop-pci to etc/modprobe.d/aliases like in a docu, on reboot i get errors unreadable (too fast to read) before fs is mounted.
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16:26<AgentC>SynrG: i started up with a rescue lenny version, but the entry in modprobe.d/aliases was removed automaticly
16:27<AgentC>SynrG: the squeeze is unable to bootup
16:27<SynrG>rather than automatically loading it, try manually loading it and capture the output somewhere, i guess. what is the driver for, anyway? i'm not familiar with it.
16:28<AgentC>SynrG: that driver is for dvb technisat pci cards.
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16:29<AgentC>SynrG: is my first time i have to do with that kind of receivers, so i didnt know i am doing
16:29<SynrG>AgentC: so what i'd say is to remove the /etc/modprobe.d/aliases entry, as that would only be to bring up the driver automatically when the device is accessed, i think ...
16:30<konrad127123>I'm trying reproduce my bug (#612557) on another machine. I've copied over the /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/apr/extended_states file and am doing a "apt-get -o APT::Architecture=amd64 -o Dir::State::status=/tmp/status -o Dir::State::extended_states=/tmp/extended_states -s install python-uno". But then apt-get claims there is nothing to upgrade.
16:30<ThibG>what's the best way to send a patch to the BTS for a bug which is closed (it already has a patch that partially fixes the issue)?
16:30<konrad127123>Are there any apt developers around who I can talk to?
16:30<AgentC>SynrG: that entry is not existing any more, was removed by the system automa.
16:30<SynrG>instead, modprobe it after booting, and be ready to capture any error output somewhere that will persist even if the system crashes
16:31<AgentC>SynrG: when triing to boot, much erros comes on screen, then a message that system reboots now.
16:31<AgentC>SynrG: dont know what i did :-(
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16:33<SynrG>btw, all files in /etc/modprobe.d/ should end in '.conf' now
16:34<SynrG>and 'aliases.conf' says at the top that it shouldn't be edited.
16:34<SynrG>"No new aliases should be added to this file, please file a bug against the kernel for any aliases which are still not built-in."
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16:36<SynrG>where is the doc that says that file should be edited? clearly it's not for debian ...
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16:36<AgentC>SynrG: moment
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16:37<SynrG>are you still getting errors even after removal of what you did?
16:38<SynrG>be certain it really is gone and not just renamed
16:38<AgentC>SynrG: i saw i mounted the wrong lin on rescue os for recovery (out of device-name diffs), i removed the lines, now i try to restart again
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16:40<AgentC>SynrG: same error, udevd sysfs{} will be removed in a future udev version please use ATTR{} to match the event device ..........
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16:40<SynrG>related to this card or something else?
16:41<SynrG>that's a warning only, btw
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16:41<SynrG>i've found in some cases on my systems such errors were due to residual configs leftover from packages i had removed but not purged
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16:42<AgentC>SynrG: dunno, that error is direct on startup and repeats a couple of hundret times, but in this case with removed entry in aliases, system is coming up, but something is even wrong with that, dunno what i have done with that install-try.
16:42<Ethan>hey guys anyone good with apt-get in terminal?
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16:42<AgentC>!tell Ethan about apt-get
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16:43<Ethan>no i know about it i need some help with a specific thing
16:43<AgentC>Ethan: what exactly?
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16:44<Ethan>well... i am running debian a a server and i need to get a TCP client right?
16:44<georges>je voudrais utiser skype sur squeeze 64 bits,est-ce que c'est normal que l'installation ne fonctionne pas ?
16:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
16:45<Ethan>and i got one called protcpd
16:45<AgentC>english please
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16:45<Ethan>problem is I need to uninstall it and install it with different settings,but the uninstall file is missiung
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16:46<AgentC>georges: i've no experience with 64bit systems
16:46<mc68040>AgentC: you can grep for SYSFS/sysfs in /etc/udev/rules.d/* to get a hint
16:46*AgentC 's triing
16:46<Ethan>what do you mean?
16:46<georges>i'm sorry but my english is too bad
16:47<Ethan>so can anyone help?
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16:49<georges>I can't install skype on squeeze 64 bits, normal or not
16:49<AgentC>georges: german ? then query me
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16:49<AgentC>georges: tu parle l'amange?
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16:52<AgentC>mc68040: da werd ich nicht draus schlau, nur dass in 60-libsane.rules alle moeglichen scanner aktiviert sind, muss das so sein ?
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16:52<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:52<AgentC>dpkg: agentc is a german lamer ;-)
16:52<dpkg>okay, AgentC
16:52<georges>Danke Agent C, aber ich bin franzose und mein Deutsch ist so schlecht mein english
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16:53<SynrG>AgentC: those messages result from leftover junk under /etc/udev/rules.d/ i think
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16:54<SynrG>find the offending files and see if they actually belong to packages you care about ... if they are residual configs, purge them. there shouldn't be any of those left from current debian packages.
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16:56<AgentC>SynrG: where i should start to search !? dont know, all i did was that 2 "alias" lines to the modprobe.d/aliases and a modprobe <modname> , then the reboot. dont know why that error is coming up now
16:56<AgentC>SynrG: seems to have to do with that action, it boots up since i removed these 2 lines from the cfgfile
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16:57<AgentC>SynrG: before it gots to reboot before starting the kernal
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17:01<AgentC>SynrG: I scanned all the /etc/udev for string: "flexcop-pci" but didnt found an entry. something else went wrong, i think though the driver-activity on first startup of flexcop-pci.ko
17:01<mc68040>AgentC: that are the rules for scanner detection, but my 60-libsane.rules lives under /lib/udev/rules.d
17:02<AgentC>mc68040: on my sys too, but i see all SYSFS entries are uncommented (active) is that normal ?
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17:04<AgentC>i don't know much about the technisat skystar2 pci card, i tried to install like described on googling, but i do not understand what that libs/modules are doing. also the kernelmod didnt found the hardware correctly even that the card is installed (see lspci)
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17:06<AgentC>since i need a sat-antenna to use the card, i dont have to hurry ;) but would like to get that hardware works correctly until i'll by the receiver-antenna
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17:06<mc68040>AgentC: mine doesnt have sysfs entries at all
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17:07<AgentC>mc68040: should i removed all unneccary entries temponaery ?
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17:08<Ethan>Hey anyone got CGI experience?
17:08<AgentC>Ethan: cgi not on me, but a little bit php
17:08<mc68040>AgentC: what debian release you use?
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17:09<AgentC>mc68040: 6.0 fresh upgraded from lenny
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17:10<Ethan>So no one?
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17:10<mc68040>AgentC: then you could try to move 60-libsane.rules away and reinstall libsane to get rid of the sysfs messages
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17:10<jhutchins>Ethan: If you have a question just ask.
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17:11<AgentC>mc68040: i'll try
17:11<retrospectacus>!tell Ethan about ask
17:11<Ethan>You know what never mind.
17:11<AgentC>Ethan: google for "cgi learn"
17:12<AgentC>Ethan: ;)
17:12<Tiff>CGI implies many things.
17:12<Ethan>i did. and i have a script im trying to use but it wont work quite right.
17:12<Tiff>Perl? Python? What?
17:12<Ethan>CGI in apache
17:12<Ethan>And its perl
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17:13<Ethan>thinking of rewrighting it in python
17:13<AgentC>webprogramming is difficult out of the reason, that many prog-languages are possible and used in a mixure.
17:13<Ethan>thats not the issue
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17:13<Tiff>Formulate your question and post code snippets and maybe you'll find someone more willing to help. It's no fun trying to prise the problem out of someone.
17:13<amphi>c for speed ;)
17:13*AgentC is known as ccccccc-peed ;-)
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17:14<Ethan>problem is its a hit counter and it wont count hits.
17:14<SynrG>AgentC: no, i don't think the udev stuff has anything to do with flexcop
17:14<SynrG>that's just ordinary upgrading stuff
17:14<SynrG>and as i said ... warnings only
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17:15<AgentC>SynrG: in any case kernal tries to load/init something what failes.
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17:15<Ethan>Tiff: Do you want code snippets?
17:15<mc68040>SynrG: but maybe he sees more relevant things then
17:15<SynrG>AgentC: did you try modprobing the module and capturing the error output as i suggested?
17:15<AgentC>SynrG: i woulndt know what libsane have to do with a dvb-receiver card.
17:16<SynrG>mc68040: once he cleans the junk up, yeah, it might help :)
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17:16<SynrG>AgentC: it doesn't. i think you're just noticing it at the same time by coincidence
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17:17*mc68040 wonders what went wrong on upgrade lenny->squeeze at agentc
17:17<SynrG>AgentC: is your system fully up-to-date? is it a pure squeeze system?
17:17<SynrG>all debian packages providing stuff under /etc/udev should not have such messages ...
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17:17<SynrG>that would typically be for leftover junk, like i said
17:17<SynrG>(or custom / non-debian stuff)
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17:18<AgentC>sylar: the error-msg's comes up before starting the global kernel-initialisation, so no log-files
17:18*AgentC means not sylar , SynrG
17:18<mc68040>AgentC: did you the upgrade as recommended: first ugrade kernel and udev, reboot, dist-upgrade?
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17:19<mc68040>AgentC: and use apt-get instead of aptitude?
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17:19<SynrG>yes. i wonder now if you have a half-upgraded system :.
17:19<AgentC>mc68040: i modified the apt/sources.list, then an update , then dist-update, then reboot. everything worked fine until my try to install the receiver-card.
17:19<Ethan>just curious... does anyone know if it's possible to close gnome and just have a full scren terminal?
17:19<SynrG>AgentC: surely you mean dist-upgrade ...
17:20<devil>AgentC: those are reminders from udev maintainer to maintainers of dependent packages to update their config.
17:20<AgentC>SynrG: dist-upgrade, yes
17:20<mc68040>AgentC: aehm... - wrong order as described in the release notes!
17:20<SynrG>devil: squeeze release with some of those not fixed yet?
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17:20<devil>SynrG: i am not sure. in unstable we have these messages from tinme to time spamming the boot process
17:21<SynrG>ah. well, like i said, most of the offending ones i've found to be from residual confs
17:21<devil>and they are exactly what AgentC posted above
17:21<SynrG>oh, exactly the libsane ones?
17:21<SynrG>i guess there would be a bug filed already then ... ?
17:21<Ethan>Another curiosity: anyone know of a good program for handling network connections for servers?
17:21<devil>well, not for that package
17:21<devil>but same wording
17:22<Ethan>atleast debian running as a server?
17:22<devil>the last ones i remember in unstable were for hplip
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17:22<SynrG>which it turned out i didn't actually use ...
17:22<SynrG>so i purged it. problem fixed :)
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17:23<devil>on a fast box its hard to read though what package this is for
17:23<Ethan>why does apache HAVE to have a favicon.ico?
17:23<AgentC>devil: is it possible some trash is left from my previous lenny version ?
17:23<devil>AgentC: i dont think so
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17:25<AgentC>hehe, 52 GB used for main-system / .... excluding home and fileserver ; 52GB only for systemfiles.... ;-)
17:26<AgentC>dont know what there is as big on it ;)
17:26<Ethan>i have debian 6 running on 5gb partitian
17:26<stderr_dk>Ethan: It does?
17:26<SynrG>Julien BLACHE <>; Filed 1 year and 27
17:26<SynrG>#568507 [n| |:-)] [libsane] libsane: uses SYSFS in ude
17:26<SynrG>argh, sorry
17:26<SynrG>mouse slipped
17:26<Ethan>yeah. runs all i need for my apache server.
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17:27<stderr_dk>Ethan: Are you sure it isn't the browser that wants a favicon.ico?
17:27<SynrG>devil: anyway, #568507 (which is all i meant to paste) ...
17:27<SynrG>is fixed
17:27<Ethan>no apache wont run if it does not have favicon.ico in www
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17:28<AgentC>hey, as i saw on doing a "df" i see, there is from HAL mounted /media/TechniSat_DVB ... what does it means ?
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17:28<stderr_dk>Ethan: Odd, haven't seen that before.
17:28<devil>SynrG: :)
17:29<AgentC>is that normal that a receiver-network-card is mounted as drive !??
17:29<SynrG>the interesting thing is, the person reporting had a strange apt policy
17:29<SynrG>so he ended up with no upgrades :/
17:29<AgentC>oh, sorry, that was the cdrom ;)
17:29<Ethan>stderr_dk: Neither have I. It showed up in my error logs for apache after editing httpd.conf and adding "ScriptAlias..." for CGI
17:29<jhutchins>Ethan: Yes, you can run console only. You don't have to install Gnome or even X. If you want to turn it off temporarily, just stop gdm (or kdm|xdm).
17:30<SynrG>AgentC: what version of libsane do you have? it could be indicative of a bigger problem (like this guy's screwed up apt policy)
17:30*AgentC see's , it's very late in the evening ;)
17:30<jhutchins>Ethan: You might want to create a runlevel that does not start X and use that to switch back and forth.
17:30<stderr_dk>Ethan: How does it show up? As a 404?
17:30<AgentC>SynrG: mom
17:30<Ethan>SynrG: tried that and there was no console
17:30<jhutchins>Ethan: Apache does not need a favicon.ico, many sites lack one.
17:31<SynrG>Ethan: s/SynrG/someone else?/ :)
17:31<Ethan>stderr_dk: no apache just WILL NOT run
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17:31<jhutchins>Ethan: Yes, it runs just fine.
17:32<jig>what key is used to sign the *SUMS files in the iso download page?
17:32<AgentC>SynrG: libsane-hpaio 3.10.6-2 / libsane-dev 1.0.21-9/ libsane 1.0.21-9 / libsane-extras
17:32<Ethan>no i used runlevel three and put it to K01gdm3 and it shuts down gdm fine but it has no console
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17:32<jhutchins>Is there even a favicon.ico in the debian package?
17:33<SynrG>AgentC: huh. ok. i don't know why you'd have complaints about SYSFS then ..
17:33<Ethan>no. but i told you it wouldnt start without one. then i put one in /var/www and it started
17:33<jhutchins>Ethan: Something else is wrong with your system if you don't get tty1-6 by default. You should be able to switch to them from X as well.
17:33<Ethan>switch to what?
17:34<AgentC>SynrG: im not sure the prob is libsane, something says on boot that libname, but all began after triing to install that technisat card.
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17:34<SynrG>look at #568507 ... libsane was fixed long ago, so i wonder what kind of mess your system is in to show that error, that's all.
17:35<AgentC>SynrG: and i really only tried to install that kernel-module b2c2-flexcop-pci and stv0299
17:35<SynrG>*install*? oh ...
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17:35<SynrG>i previously thought it was a module from a standard debian kernel
17:35<AgentC>SynrG: >modprobe.d/aliases
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17:35<jhutchins>Ethan: Apache running witout a favicon.ico:
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17:36<Ethan>Oh real quick. What is the Lilo bootloader? better than grub?
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17:36<jhutchins>Ethan: You are running linux, right? Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] should switch to the consoles started by inittab,
17:36<Ethan>Whatever Jhutchins it doesnt matter anymore
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17:37<SynrG>AgentC: i'm confused about why you'd need to install a module that's already in the kernel
17:37<jhutchins>lilo is an alternative (older) bootloader with some advantages and some disadvantages. Preference for grub is largely due to a problem that was solved decades ago.
17:37<Ethan>And yes i am runing squeeze. it changes runlevel fine. what have been doing is using no gdm3 and no concole and using console in SSH from my mac
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17:38<abdulelah>when i try to install realtek Audio card i get this at the end " ./install: 101: alsaconf: not found "
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17:39<Stereo>Ethan: unless you have a special configuration, you should be fine running grub2 like the rest of us
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17:40<mc68040>Ethan: from history: lilo->grub->grub-pc (ala grub2)
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17:41<nadav>Intel released OpenCL 1.1 . No Linux support ... but they support Vista!
17:41<AgentC>SynrG: hm!? maybe that documentation had errors, was made for federa-users, lspci did an output with another stream of the documentation, even that is a original skystar2 card, as i sad , i dunno what i done there. :-/
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17:41<justin__>I need help.
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17:41<justin__>My installer freezes up.
17:41<justin__>I check the logs in ALT+F4, and I get this
17:41<SynrG>AgentC: not errors necessarily, just not appropriate for you distro+kernel
17:41<justin__>end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
17:42<justin__>FAT: unable to read boot sector
17:42<justin__>attempt to access beyond end of device
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17:42<justin__>fd0: rw=0, want=66, limit=8
17:42<justin__>iso fs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=fd0, iso_blknum = 16, block = 32
17:43<justin__>Any help?
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17:43<justin__>What I just said keeps repeating
17:43<justin__>MD5 sums are good
17:43<justin__>They match
17:44<justin__>I've used dd, cat, and unetbootin
17:44<AgentC>justin__: disk physically workable ?
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17:45<AgentC>justin__: check controller, cable, clean magnet-heads of drive with ear-sticks/ethanol softly, then try again.
17:46<justin__>I'm on a laptop.
17:47<AgentC>justin__: also drive-mechanisms like motor/stepper movement should be checked, sometimes a little dust-particle may block the stepper-movement of the magnet-heads.
17:47<justin__>So mostly, you're telling me to clean the magnet heads on the drive
17:47<AgentC>justin__: you can clean it in any case with ethanol and prepare it with a little drop of motor oil on the spinal.
17:48<justin__>And also check the inside of my hdd for dust?
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17:48<AgentC>justin__: i got that error on floppies and cdroms as often, i dont like to talk about
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17:49<AgentC>justin__: and i dont think, that's an error of the fs-software, that's 99,9% clean programmed
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17:49<justin__>And the other 00.1 percent?
17:50<jig>what key is used to sign the *SUMS files in the iso download page?
17:50<AgentC>justin__: rest-risk ;)
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17:50<justin__>Wait a minute
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17:50<justin__>If my harddrive is working
17:51<SynrG>AgentC: i would expect such hardware to be detected and ready to work in debian without adding aliases. as the comment in aliases.conf says, these things are supposed to be set up already.
17:51<justin__>I can install other distros perfectly on my current hard drive
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17:51<Golf>Hi all
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17:51<SynrG>AgentC: by 'install' did you just mean the modprobe.d stuff or did you install driver files?
17:51<mc68040>jig: no key, just hash values, generated with either md5sum or sha1sum
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17:53<AgentC>SynrG: i added that 2 alias lines to the modprobe.d/aliases then i made modprobe modname for each of the modules. after reboot i got that error. ; ok also between that i installed kaffeine, but i dont think thats the problem
17:53<mc68040>jig: sorry, you meant the *.sign files, no clue
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17:54<justin__>I still need help
17:55<AgentC>justin__: is that disk really readable on another drive?
17:55<justin__>IT IS
17:55<jhutchins>justin__: There may be a problem with the usb drive.
17:55<justin__>No, there is not.
17:55<justin__>I've installed at least 3 different distros from it
17:55<jhutchins>justin__: Yes, there may be a problem with it.
17:55<justin__>Well, what is the problem?
17:56<jhutchins>justin__: Your system can't read the boot sector on it, and the drive appears to have the wrong geometry to your system.
17:56<jhutchins>justin__: Have you checked for a BIOS update?
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17:57<SynrG>AgentC: oh, ok. so without any of that stuff, these modules are not automatically loaded?
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17:58<AgentC>justin__: i saw that prob many times and it can have more then 1 reason. 1st problem is often present is a hardware-failure, 2nd problem may be data-carrier-error, unusally but possible it is a driver, config problem. ... fazit: check your harware/hardwaredrivers
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17:59<justin__>config problem - let me try that first
17:59<AgentC>SynrG: i removed the both lines from aliases-cfg , so i removed my own changes from config.
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17:59<Lillymon>Well Wheezy's off to a brilliant start on my computer. </sarcasm> I'm using a completely fucked-up resolution (that is the correct term) and I've lost hardware acceleration. It seems XOrg has suddenly decided to use nouveau rather than nvidia-glx despite this breaking my display.
17:59<Lillymon>I need nvidia-glx back. NOW.
17:59<engywucz>just for the record: I just updated to wheezy. No problems during the update.
18:00<AgentC>SynrG: dont know what was changed there automaticly. shall i try to purge kaffeine? could the problem be there?
18:00<Lillymon>Good for you.
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18:00<Golfgeo>Back again :-)
18:00<engywucz>so thanks for your help earlier
18:00<Golfgeo>Got a small problem people, repartitioned a drive with a primary NTFS partition, a logical NTFS partition and a ReiserFS partition... Installed Vista and while Debian works perfectly the diskmanager of Vista shows the reiserfs partition as a primary partition and I believe this is the source of complete system lockups...
18:00<engywucz>it worked :D
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18:00<SynrG>AgentC: no. kaffeine has nothing to do with it
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18:01<justin__>I still need help D:
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18:01<Golfgeo>oh yea, the reiserfs partition is logical too, but shows in the diskmanager of Vista as a primary... argh!
18:01<Lillymon>I'm actually using 800x600 on a 1680x1050 LCD monitor. Words cannot describe how utterly shit this looks and how completely unacceptable this is under any circumstances.
18:02<Lillymon>I've a good mind to just uninstall Debian right now after this. I cannot believe this could even happen.
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18:03<Golfgeo>Lillymon, coming late tot the party... but are you using the console or a windows manager?
18:03<jhutchins>Lillymon: Go ahead. Won't bother us at all.
18:03<Lillymon>Window manager, KWin.
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18:03<Lillymon>jhutchins: I wish you were here right now, I wish you could see how badly fucked this all is.
18:03<Golfgeo>hmm... And does you grapisch card need any propriatary drivers?
18:04<jhutchins>Lillymon: Many LCD's look terrible at anything but their native resolution.
18:04<Lillymon>jhutchins: NO FUCKING SHIT
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18:04<AgentC>justin__: check the hardware, if the stepper-motor of the drives head is only a 1/10 mm between it's position to read from, the data is corrupted which will be transfered to the main-drive-controller. clean up the spinal of the motor, with tools it takes just 10 minutes.
18:05<Lillymon>Golfgeo: Given it's an Nvidia GeForce 8800GT, not exactly. But whatever I'm using now, I need to switch. I have nvidia-glx, I want to use that.
18:05<dondelelcaro>Lillymon: so install nvidia-glx
18:05<Golfgeo>lillymon, kubuntu live cd is Debian dirived and might work right out of the box and is installable... easier to install... so perhaps a beter option...
18:05<Lillymon>I HAVE. X isn't use it!
18:05<Lillymon>Golfgeo: So basically you can't help. Thanks.
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18:06<dondelelcaro>Lillymon: it won't use it unless you specify it in your configuration file, or rmeove noveau
18:06<Lillymon>I've been using Debian for over a year now, this is the first time I've seen something like this happen. It must be related to the new Xorg in Wheezy, since I just rebooted to make it take effect.
18:06<Golfgeo>lillymon, I can, but by advising you to use the wiki and use the howto in regards to nvidia-glx
18:06<dondelelcaro>Lillymon: alternatively, you could specify the proper resolution using xrandr or similar
18:06<Lillymon>Golfgeo: I can barely even read anything at this resolution.
18:07<Lillymon>Everything is configured for 1680x1050.
18:07<Golfgeo>lillymon, and can I help that right away from where I am?
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18:07<Golfgeo>I wish I would, but I do not have a button called "Help Lillymon" on my taskbar eh
18:07<sret>is vin-serv basically x11vnc?
18:08<Golfgeo>*I wish I could...
18:08<AgentC>SynrG: in lenny there wasnt a rules.d/60-libsane as my backup says.
18:08<Lillymon>Golfgeo: I don't even care, this has just fucked my entire day up and I'm just angry at Debian screwing up to such monstrous proportions. I've never seen anything like this before, ever. 15 years of computing, this is the worst screw-up I've seen yet.
18:08<dondelelcaro>Lillymon: if you could stop complaining and work the problem, that would help. Otherwise, we can't help you.
18:08<Golfgeo>lillymon, than you are fortunate
18:08<amphi>Lillymon: using testing straight after a release is not overly wise
18:08<dondelelcaro>Lillymon: follow the instructions I've given, and it will resolve the situtation
18:08<Lillymon>dondelelcaro: How about both instead?
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18:09<Golfgeo>I've just replaced my mainboard, cpu and ddrII memory because of an error I thing I just figured out has nothing to do with those components
18:09<AgentC>SynrG: i remove kaffeine, to see what happens
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18:11<sret>is vino-serv basically x11vnc on squeeze?
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18:12<AgentC>SynrG: message still: "udevd[] SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version , please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to mh a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules:xxx
18:12<AgentC>SynrG: i wonder cause i didnt changed that file
18:12<SynrG>as i said, i think it's coincidence you're just noticing this now
18:12<dondelelcaro>AgentC: it may not have been changed; lots of things use SYSFS instead of ATTRS. Fix it if you want, or just ignore it
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18:13<AgentC>dondelelcaro: ok but this message didnt comes up before i wanted to setup b2c2-flexcop-pci ?
18:13<dondelelcaro>AgentC: doesn't matter; it's a standard warning from udev.
18:14<[Megaf]>fucking non-free firmware removal
18:14<[Megaf]>how will I do a netinstall withount network?
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18:15<ompaul>[Megaf]: you get the deb on a disk or stick and copy it in
18:15<dondelelcaro>[Megaf]: use a full cd, or use one of the netinst disks with firmware, or actually read the documentation which explains how to deal with needing the firmware.
18:15<[Megaf]>dondelelcaro: I got the CD1.iso
18:15<dondelelcaro>[Megaf]: then you don't need the network to install
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18:16<[Megaf]>but a lot of software will be downloaded from internet
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18:16<Lillymon>I hate everything.
18:16<dondelelcaro>[Megaf]: not if you don't have network it won't.
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18:16<AgentC>have any1 experience with technisat skystar2 pci cards ? how do i install that correctly!? i didnt made that before, so no idea how to do that correctly.
18:16<Lillymon>I especially hate you. Whoever's reading this. Yes, YOU.
18:17<devil>AgentC: vdr wiki has perfect info on that
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18:17<AgentC>devil: vdr? do you have an url?
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18:18<justin__>I still have a problem.
18:18<justin__>My BIOS is up-to-date
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18:18<AgentC>also since the squeeze upgrade, on xwin startup there is a message that it cant find a theme named bluewirl. what package is missing ?
18:19<justin__>The errors as said before are still coming
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18:19<justin__>I've cleaned my hdd
18:19<[Megaf]>where can I get the firmware from?
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18:19<sret>ok so vin-serv is the same as x11vnc
18:20<dondelelcaro>[Megaf]: the wiki page that I pointed you at links to it
18:20<[Megaf]>are you sure?
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18:20<justin__> Nothing works?
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18:20<AgentC>justin__: ups, sorry, i was thinking you are talking about a magnetic drive.
18:20<dondelelcaro>Megaf: "The link to the firmware download for your Debian version is "
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18:21<AgentC>justin__: cleanup is in any case ok, but that info changes the situation. (you sad fd0 ~= floppydrive)
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18:21<AgentC>devil: thanks
18:21<justin__>Then ignore floppy drive - I don't have one
18:21<Megaf>I dont want a CD with the firmware, The installer says I can load it from a floppy or from a USB stick
18:21<justin__>Megaf - yes, you can
18:21<Megaf>so I gues I could put a .deb package on a usb stick and all done
18:21<dondelelcaro>Megaf: did you even bother to click through the link that I sent to you?
18:21<justin__>No, put it in /firmware
18:22<Megaf>dondelelcaro: yeo
18:22<dondelelcaro>Megaf: it has the tarball. stick it on anything. the installer will find it.
18:22<justin__>On your installation medium
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18:22<justin__>Put the firmware package into /firmware
18:22<dondelelcaro>justin__: you don't need to put it into /firmware
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18:23<dondelelcaro>Megaf: the installation manual covers all of this. Read it:
18:23<dondelelcaro>Megaf: uh... that's not what I pointed you at, at all.
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18:24<Megaf>dondelelcaro: thats a link on the wiki you pointed me
18:24<dpkg>[vpn] Virtual Private Network, a network constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications. This provides the ability to connect to a LAN from remote locations. Ask me about <openvpn>, <openswan>, <openssh> (see -w option), <vpnc>, <pptp>.
18:24<Megaf>dondelelcaro: I just need this file, rtl8168d-2.fw
18:24<dondelelcaro>Megaf: it's actually not, and it's not the one that I pointed you at explicitely, either.
18:24<Megaf>where can I find it?
18:25<dondelelcaro>Megaf: /lastlog dondelelcaro 20
18:25<dondelelcaro>best of luck
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18:28<Megaf>I give up
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18:31<sret>what's the difference between ssh to VPN?
18:31<sret>both are basically letting you to connect to your LAN from remote locations, why would i need a VPN here if ssh can do this?
18:32<ompaul>RichiH: you about if so some pm pleads ;-)
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18:33<ompaul>RichiH: timestamp this
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18:34<sret>can some tell me the difference
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18:34<retrospectacus>sret: that's not the kind of question we can answer here... they are very different, but may be used to do the same thing perhaps... google can tell you about it I'm sure
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18:38<ompaul>sret: join #debian-offtopic and I'll share some ideas around that with you
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18:43<AgentC>SynrG: how can i check a k.module is installed on the system ?
18:43<Golfgeo>oke, I'm getting wierd out wby this... To solve my vista crashing problem with dual boot I tried to first use the Vista installer to creat three partitions... What I am seeing is that it creates them all as primary partitions... wtf! Does Vista support them as primary partitions with out wierding out on my like XP did?
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18:43<retrospectacus>Golfgeo, this is #debian
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18:44<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: I know mate
18:44<amphi>AgentC: modprobe -l | grep module_name (if I I understand you correctly)
18:44<retrospectacus>so... how does your question relate to debian?
18:45<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: this however is a windows/linux problem in regards to the partition table interpretation...
18:46<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: the partition table I created in Debian (one ntfs primary, one ntfs logical, one reiserfs logical) was interprited as having the reiserfs partition in the primary part...
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18:46<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: Well, by Vista, that is...
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18:47<AgentC>ok, in that case the module seems to be loaded. how can i check the sat-tv-card is working, is that possible without antenna ?
18:47<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: so I tried working around the by using the Vista installer to create the partition, but all where primary...
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18:47<Golfgeo>*to create the partition table
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18:47<retrospectacus>what's the problem?
18:47<Tiff>A disk can have 4 primary partitions.
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18:49<Golfgeo>Tiff I know, but before Vista one needed at most one primary table (with a windows OS) so one wouldn't run into warnings in regards to speed while running that OS...
18:49<Golfgeo>So, all other partitions had to be of the logical type...
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18:50<Golfgeo>*one primary partition...
18:50<retrospectacus>Vista has a problem with having more than 1 primary partition on a disk? That's messed up
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18:50<Tiff>I have never seen such warnings.
18:51<amphi>AgentC: the command I gave you just shows whether the module exists on the system; lsmod | grep module_name will tell you whether it's loaded
18:51<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: no, all Miscrosoft OSes before Vista...
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18:51<amphi>Golfgeo: nonsense
18:51<retrospectacus>I have a triple boot XP/7/Debian at home and have never seen that
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18:51<Golfgeo>retrospectacus: It would give a compatibility warning and set a speed limit on the drive from the driver
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18:51<SynrG>AgentC: no, that doesn't indicate the module is loaded
18:52<SynrG>19:43 < AgentC> SynrG: how can i check a k.module is installed on the system ?
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18:52<SynrG>19:44 < amphi> AgentC: modprobe -l | grep module_name (if I I understand you correctly)
18:52<Tiff>As I said, I've never seen such warnings and I rarely use logical partitions.
18:52<SynrG>AgentC: amphi did not understand what you meant, it seems
18:52<SynrG>but the mistake is understandable
18:52<SynrG>it is what it sounded like you were asking
18:52<amphi>SynrG: 'how can i check a k.module is installed on the system ?" is pretty clear
18:53<Tiff>Even if you're seeing such warnings, this is an issue with Windows and nothing to do with Debian or Linux.
18:53<amphi>SynrG: says nothing about a module being loaded into the running kernel
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18:53<SynrG>amphi: followed by ...
18:53<SynrG>19:47 < AgentC> ok, in that case the module seems to be loaded. how can i check the sat-tv-card is working, is
18:53<SynrG> that possible without antenna ?
18:53<SynrG>amphi: ^^ clearly he asked the wrong question
18:53<amphi>SynrG: yes, thus my response
18:54<SynrG>right. thus my qualification :)
18:54<SynrG>it was the correct response to the wrong question :p
18:54<amphi>SynrG: you saw < amphi> AgentC: the command I gave you just shows whether the module exists on the system; lsmod | grep module_name will tell you whether it's loaded
18:55<SynrG>ahhh, missed that. crap. and i thought i got them all :/
18:55<SynrG>ignore me, then
18:55<amphi>no worries
18:55<amphi>we seem to be taking rather more interest than AgentC…
18:55<AgentC>ok, i agree, i mispelled my question. ;) it should mean: how to find out a module is loaded/active in kernel. :)
18:55<SynrG>AgentC: so you tried lsmod?
18:55<amphi>AgentC: and I told you - did you try the command?
18:55<Golfgeo>My goal was to install Debian on the third partition and also use it to backup the first two partitions (with partimage) so this system can be recoverd to the origional install very quickly (since it is the machine of my girlfriend)... But I'm running into the problem that the reiserfs partition is seens as a primary from Vista, while linux sees it as logical
18:56<Tiff>Golfgeo: As has been said, your issue is with Windows. Go and find a Windows support group and tell them about it.
18:56<ompaul>why would you install debian on reiserfs ?
18:57<Golfgeo>ompaul I love reiserfs :-)
18:57<Golfgeo>Tiff, and dual booting isn't a Linux thing?
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18:57<Tiff>You are complaining about a Windows issue which just so happens to have a Linux distro installed on it.
18:57<ompaul>Golfgeo: you should have stuck with standard and people might have known what happened there - however if you want windows advise let me point you at ##windows on
18:57<AgentC>i saw b2c2-flexcop... are loaded, used by none processes.
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18:58<AgentC>is it neccessary to config that, to connect the k.module with the pci-hardware for usage ?
18:58<Tiff>Is development even still continuing on ReiserFS after the conviction?
18:58<Golfgeo>ompaul, and what do you think they will say?
18:58<Golfgeo>Tiff, nope
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18:58<Golfgeo>well, not really
18:58<ompaul>Golfgeo: so you use an unsupported fs
18:59<Golfgeo>ompaul, yes, but a sweet one at that
18:59<ompaul>Golfgeo: you should be deving it or abandon it either way
18:59<ompaul>Golfgeo: I don't buy that ever since reiserfs didn't fsck right for me in the early 00s I abandoned it
18:59<amphi>Golfgeo: you should read up about reiserfsck ;)
18:59<Golfgeo>well, I guess peeps here arn't in the helping mood today... Thats oke though
19:00<Tiff>You've received plenty of help, you just don't like the answers you're receiving.
19:00<ompaul>Golfgeo: not on that topic ever - I hate that fs
19:00<Golfgeo>well if help is no awnser but a referal to a windows help channel...
19:00<Golfgeo>Like I sad, it's oke though
19:01<Golfgeo>will muddle thourgh :-)
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19:01<ompaul>Golfgeo: good luck with that
19:01<amphi>Golfgeo: if you have a logical partition, and windows thinks it's a primary, what are we to do?
19:01<Tiff>You're asking us about Debian on an unsupported FS and why Vista sees it as something it is not. How is this not purely a Windows problem?
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19:02<Golfgeo>amphi, well, I would say: I don't believe I am the only one experiancing this problem, let allone the first one to ask about it... So one would suspect others have asked before and tech peeps like we are might have an awnser
19:02<ompaul>Golfgeo: I think it is called use ext3 or 4 ;-)
19:02<zlatan> squeeze is not mounting CD's but he does DVD's. What's the problem?
19:03<amphi>assuming it really is a logical partition, windows is just barking
19:03<Tiff>Solution: mkfs.ext4 on the entire drive and install Debian. That's my answer. :P
19:03<Golfgeo>Tiff, rofl, it's a partition maked in the partition table as type ?87? AKA linux... So, it isn't a fs issue
19:03<ompaul>zlatan: CDs are not block devices that can be read, unlike DVDs
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19:04<zlatan>ompaul, so I can't now burn any CD but only DVD???
19:04<RichiH>does anyone know what the hybrid isos for lenny are doing? can they boot from usb & cd or what?
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19:04<Golfgeo>amphi, I know it is a Windows issue of interpretation of the partition table, yet... why? and is there a work arround so the system doesn't crash???
19:05<ompaul>zlatan: you can but you have to do dd and burn as an iso
19:05<amphi>Golfgeo: I couldn't say, I haven't used windows in a long time
19:06<zlatan>ompaul, to do dd?? and yes I want ot burn isos
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19:06<ompaul>zlatan: dd the image to mycd.iso
19:06<ompaul>and then burm that
19:06<Golfgeo>I know, my gf should use Debian... She's a bad and naughty girl! :D hahaha
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19:07<Golfgeo>oh well
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19:11<acu>did anyone use dvswitch ? - I installed it with synaptic - but there is no button to start - if I do it at the proopt dvswitch it givmes me the mixer hostnam and port not defined - but I cannot find where it was installed -can anyone help >
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19:12<justin__>I now have a problem.
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19:13<justin__>When i'm on configuring the network
19:13<justin__>It can't scan anything
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19:15<justin__>It tries to find a wireless network
19:15<justin__>But it fails.
19:15<acu>how can I see where a package was installed >
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19:16<Kvant>do you mean where the files in a package are?
19:16<justin__>iwconfig and ifconfig do not work
19:16<acu>Kvant: yes
19:16<justin__>I tried them - they don't have commands with them.
19:16<mothermcfucker>You have to do both as root
19:16<Kvant>acu, dpkg -L package-name
19:16<mothermcfucker>ifconfig -a
19:17<justin__>So it should work?
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19:17<mothermcfucker>su to root
19:17<mothermcfucker>Do you have the firmware installed and the drivers?
19:17<justin__>Firmware, yes
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19:18<mothermcfucker>Has the wireless been activated with the function keys?
19:19<mothermcfucker>post the output of ifconfig -a here
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19:19<mothermcfucker>and then of iwconfig
19:19<abrotman>not here
19:19<justin__>How do I connect?
19:19<justin__>to the internet
19:19<justin__>But seriously
19:19<justin__>No nm-applet
19:20<mothermcfucker>What desktop?
19:20<retrospectacus>I can haz internets?
19:20<themill>(less with the enter key, guys! please!)
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19:20<justin__>Desktop - gnome
19:20<mothermcfucker>what is the output of ifconfig -a as root?
19:20<justin__>OH WAIT A MINUTE I COULD JUST DOWNLOAD THE PACKAGES FROM the computer i'm using
19:20<justin__>I can paste that - but it's going to be a bit long
19:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
19:21<justin__>I know that.
19:21<justin__>I will use pastebin
19:21<mothermcfucker> is faster
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19:26<justin__>Now, try to help me with it.
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19:27<amphi>justin__: you seem to have a wireless card, and it is not associated
19:27<amphi>justin__: what card is it?
19:27<justin__>Intel 2915ABG or something
19:28<justin__>How do I check?
19:28<amphi>lspci | grep Wireless
19:28<amphi>might tell you
19:29<justin__>Yes, Intel 2915ABG
19:29<dpkg>ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. #ipw2100 on
19:30<amphi>justin__: have you installed the firmware?
19:31<justin__>As in...
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19:32<amphi>justin__: did you read dpkg's factoid above
19:32<mothermcfucker>Open your network manager
19:32<amphi>mothermcfucker: I don't think he has the firmware installed
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19:33<mothermcfucker>Then it just requires for him to install it
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19:33<amphi>mothermcfucker: 'just'…
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19:34<abrotman>you don't even know if he has non-free sources enabled
19:34<AgentC>ok channel, i am going for biological standby ;) wish you a good night, see you later!
19:34<justin__>Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is working for my eth1 card
19:34<AgentC>in any case, thanks!
19:34<justin__>My firmware is installed
19:34<amphi>abrotman: I am confident he doesn't
19:35<amphi>justin__: did you read what dpkg said above?
19:35<amphi>justin__: about your card?
19:35<abrotman>justin__: can you put /var/log/dmesg in a pastebin ?
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19:57<justin__>I have a question
19:57<justin__>How do I emulate a usb drive to be a cd rom drive
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19:59<cthuluh>justin__: why would you need this?
20:00<justin__>I'm updating my archives
20:00<justin__>And it needs my usb-installation in cdrom
20:00<cthuluh>which archives?
20:00<justin__>Also, in the debian installer, I also have a problem
20:00<justin__>ETH1 can't find any networks
20:01<cthuluh>so far you didn't provide any useful detail
20:01<cthuluh>please do so
20:01<justin__>First, debian installer problem for me
20:01<justin__>Ok, so when I was configuring the network in the installer
20:02<justin__>At the point where it was scanning for networks
20:02<justin__>ETH1 could not find any
20:02<justin__>And if I tried to type in the essid
20:02<justin__>It won't work
20:02<cthuluh>ok, so what is your network card? :)
20:02<justin__>Intel 2915ABG
20:02<justin__>Firmware = YES
20:02<ml|_>cthuluh: save sometime and read the backlog ;)
20:03<cthuluh>grrr, thanks ml|_
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20:04<cthuluh>justin__: so, you have *no* way to install without firmware?
20:04<cthuluh>I mean, try an ethernet cable
20:04<justin__>Ok, later
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20:14<t>i'm gay
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20:14<t>; }
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20:14<abrotman>t: Do you have a Debian question?
20:15<t>yes, but not for you
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20:15<cthuluh>for me, perhaps?
20:15<t>no, i'm just going to leech knowledge by reading
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20:16<cthuluh>t: then play with dpkg (/msg dpkg <subject>) and don't bother us with your sexual preferences
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20:18<twb>Many years ago, there was a script called "make-vmpkg" which took a vmware-server tarball and emitted a reasonably sane .deb
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20:18<abrotman>oh .. even worse
20:18<twb>What happened to it?
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20:22<twb>HMm, vmware-package | 0.22 | karmic/multiverse | source, amd64, i386
20:22<twb>doesn't seem to exist anywhere else anymore
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20:22<retrospectacus>,versions vmware-package
20:22<judd>Sorry, no package named 'vmware-package' was found in i386.
20:22<twb> (From Debian) RoM: Unmaintained
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20:23<twb>Probably because it never supported vmware-server 2.
20:24<twb>Oh well, I guess that host just gets to be a clusterfsck.
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20:24<benjamin>Hi, can someone help me ? I'm trying to use boost::read_graphviz() function but I got a problem, I use dynamic properties like : typedef property<edge_weight_t, any> EdgeProperty; when I try to read_graphiz the any type bug .... Any idea ?
20:24<twb>I'm only using vmware because apparently SCO4 as a guest OS relies on some particular hardware bug that only vmware emulates.
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20:25<cthuluh>benjamin: seems like you want a c++ oriented channel, try #c++ on freenode
20:25<twb>Or possibly the graphviz channel, if there is one
20:26<cthuluh>there is one too
20:27<benjamin>thanks :)
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21:27<danilo_>alguien me puede ayudar?
21:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
21:29<danilo_>I have a problem to login
21:29<danilo_>when I finish my session
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21:29<danilo_>debian don't launch kdm
21:30<danilo_>I can fix it?
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21:32<acu>danilo_, are you here ?
21:32<cthuluh>no, I have no idea, danilo_, that's why I didn't answer
21:33<cthuluh>maybe if you describe a bit more your problem, then someone may be able to help
21:33<acu>your problem might be that you filled your hardisk with junk - your /home might be filled - you should see if you can login gnome - if you can - than it is not that /home
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21:33<amphi>or df -h
21:34<acu>if you go as a single user and go as root - you can to startx
21:34<danilo_>but when i log out
21:34<acu>of course you can look what aphi told you df h
21:34<danilo_>I can't login again
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21:35<acu>danilo_ you have to explain everything more clearly - can you login GNOME ?
21:35<danilo_>I don't use gnome
21:35<danilo_>I can't login in debian
21:36<syndicate> /nam
21:36<acu>danilo_ what debian do you have installed >
21:36<weedeater64>danilo_, minimal installation?
21:36<acu>and you have only kde ?
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21:36<danilo_>I have kde and fluxbox
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21:37<syndicate>BlueG, i've tried running X with squeeze on my 845 with linux 2.6.37
21:37<acu>anyhow - read what I said - when you fill your /home you cannot login anymore as a normal user - only as root
21:37<amphi>danilo_: if you do alt-ctrl-f1, can you log in at a text terminal?
21:38<syndicate>i don't run anything fancy, just fluxbox with some simple program
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21:38<BlueG>syndicate, how did it work? Which chipset revision do you have?
21:39<syndicate>looks normal. wait a sec, i'll get the lspci line
21:39<BlueG>Mine ran for a while, but crashed at some point when trying to watch video in Firefox 4 beta.
21:39<danilo_>amphi i can login
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21:39<danilo_> I can't login
21:39<danilo_>amphi I can't login
21:40<amphi>danilo_: do you see a login prompt when you do alt-ctrl-f1?
21:40<syndicate>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
21:40<danilo_>amphi yes
21:41<danilo_>I wrote my username and my pass
21:41<amphi>so why can't you log in to it?
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21:41<syndicate>haven't tried that far
21:41<danilo_>but doesn't work
21:42<syndicate>my board is intel d845gebv2
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21:43<danilo_>amphi console message telling me login incorrect
21:44<danilo_>but I have logged with this account
21:44<amphi>is capslock on? ;)
21:44<syndicate>there are 2 lines of error msg from the kernel when starting X: [drm:i915_report_and_clear_eir] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking and [1175540.845842] render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010
21:44<syndicate>but it proceeds anyway to the desktop running fluxbox
21:45<danilo_>but if i can change user, i can't login again
21:45<BlueG>syndicate, mine is a rev 01, so it might be different.
21:46<danilo_>my /home disk have 91% used
21:47<syndicate>i see
21:47<danilo_>amphi no
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21:47<BlueG>syndicate, I'm thinking there must still be a bug with the intel driver, because I a 2.6.30 kernel from backports on lenny is stable, but the 2.6.30 kernel I compiled on squeeze crashes. But it doesn't crash right away, it may run for a while.
21:48<syndicate>you mean the intel driver in X?
21:48<vrkalak>hey, guys
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21:49<BlueG>syndicate: Yes. Are you using Xorg et al, from Squeeze?
21:50<syndicate>xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.13.0-5
21:50<syndicate>yes, it's from squeeze
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22:00<BlueG>syndicate: That is what I was using. I wonder if using the 2.6.37 kernel might help... but then the 2.6.30 was stable on Lenny, but crashed on Squeeze, so I also wonder if the problem is in the intel driver for X.
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22:02<syndicate>hopefully linux 2.6.37 works for you
22:03<warlock_>I have a question about disabling on board video
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22:08<BlueG>syndicate: well, I suppose it can't hurt to try
22:08<BlueG>syndicate: did you say you used vanilla sources?
22:12<edbian>Is this the proper line for the sid repo: unstable ?
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22:13<abrotman>BlueG: .30 was never stable on lenny
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22:14<BlueG>abrotmon: No, I installed it from backports, but I mean that it was stable in that it didn't freeze.
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22:14<abrotman>that's a new one
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22:19<syndicate>yes, vanilla, straight from
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22:31<edbian>I have a 'small' problem. synaptic thinks that a huge chunk of my packages are 'local or obsolete' what gives?
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22:31<edbian>sorry, read that wrong
22:31<edbian>It lists a huge portion of them as 'manual
22:32<twb>edbian: they fell out of your sources.list
22:32<edbian>twb, I'll pastebin it
22:32<twb>edbian: try an apt-get update
22:32<edbian>twb, just did a second ago
22:32<vrkalak>edbian, which version of Deb are you using and which branch?
22:32<edbian>Debian Squeeze :)
22:33<edbian>my sources.list:
22:33<vrkalak>many of the 'old stable' packages from Lenny are obsolete ... did you upgrade or install squeeze?
22:33<twb>edbian: and "apt-get update" doesn't report any errors?
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22:34<edbian>twb, nope
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22:34<edbian>just gets hits and ignores
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22:36<edbian>I'm fiddling with the gui hoping it will realize the error in it's ways. I'll keep you posted on the changes to /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:40<edbian>I can't fix it with the gui. Now my sources.list is all messed up
22:41<edbian>Suggestions anyone? I noticed by the way that many of the packages listed in manual in synaptic are duplicate packages in the normal installed section
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22:42<edbian>What is the difference between squeeze-updates and squeeze-proposed-updates ?
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22:43<dcraig>the latter are updates that have been proposed
22:43<edbian>dcraig, and the former? updates that have not been proposed?
22:43<jordanm>edbian: squeeze updates are security patches pushed as soon as they are ready proposed-updates will not be pushed to the release until there is a point upgrade. eg. 6.0.1
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22:43<dcraig>no, they're done being proposed :p
22:44<justin__>I can't connect to the internet on my Debian install.
22:44<dcraig>and are now updates!
22:44<justin__>I've tried firmware
22:44<twb>justin__: did you plug it in?
22:44<justin__>I've tried my wireless usb adapter
22:44<justin__>Nothing works.
22:44<jordanm>dcraig: but they are pused to the release as a whole through the default repos, no the security update repos
22:44<twb>It probably isn't supported
22:44<justin__>It's a Inter 2915ABG wireless adapter
22:44<edbian>jordanm, I see.
22:45<sney>there's always ndiswrapper
22:45<justin__>I can't connect to anything
22:45<edbian>I'm just gonna put my sources.list how it was orginally and see what happens when I remove those duplicate packages
22:45<abrotman>justin__: i asked you for a log like three hours ago
22:45<twb>Well, if you know better than me, obviously there is no need for me to provide support.
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22:46<justin__>abrotman: I seriously don't know how to make a log
22:47<justin__>I'm in a headache right now trying to get the internet up - i'm doing this from another computer
22:47<dpkg>NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows XP drivers for use in Linux (x86 and x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> or see to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. #ndiswrapper on
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22:48<edbian>You guys said that squeeze-updates are updates that are no longer proposed, they're updates that have been pushed into the main repo but why is there a squeeze-updates repo then? What is in it?
22:48<abrotman>he doesn't need ndiswrapper .. he has a well supproted card, he just needs firmware
22:48<abrotman>justin__: do you have it using the wired network ?
22:48<ml|_>19:27:57 < justin__> Intel 2915ABG or something
22:48<justin__>Urgh, I do not have a wired connection
22:49<abrotman>and it's squeezE?
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22:49<justin__>Yes, it's squeeze
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22:49<dpkg>ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. #ipw2100 on
22:49<ml|_>justin__: ^
22:49<justin__>I ALREADY HAVE THAT
22:50<abrotman> .. you installed that package? and then rebooted?
22:50<justin__>I.. .oh kay then
22:50<justin__>I'll try that first.
22:50<sney>I only offered ndiswrapper as an interim solution so he doesn't have to keep jumping back and forth
22:50<sney>but maybe that will work too ^
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22:52<edbian>What should a default sources.list look for squeeze? Please help me out here guys
22:52<edbian>There are way to many repos!
22:53<justin__>It's ALREADY installed.
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22:53<gsimmons>dpkg: tell edbian -about squeeze sources.list
22:53<edbian>Thank you :)
22:54<justin__>The firmware is ALREADY installed, abrot
22:54<justin__>How do I find a log
22:54<abrotman>justin__: settle down .. we're trying to help
22:54<justin__>I know
22:54<justin__>I did
22:55<abrotman>justin__: dmesg | grep ipw .. does it show anyhting ?
22:55<justin__>Yes, why
22:55<abrotman>anything informative ?
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22:55<justin__>First, let me try turning it on
22:58<justin__>Just some stuff
22:58<edbian>thanks for the help
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22:58<justin__>You know, nothing is working
22:59<abrotman>you probably want it on when the system boots
22:59<justin__>No, network-manager doesn't install
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23:07<justin__>One last question
23:07<justin__>Then i'm possibly done
23:07<justin__>HOw do I get a graphical interface for connecting to the internet
23:07<justin__>Through network-manager or something
23:07<justin__>Should I restart my computer?
23:08<justin__>Because i've got network-manager and network-manager gnome installed
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23:09<sney>justin__: you'll typically need to right click your panel and add the applet, I don't remember what to click exactly but it should be in the list
23:09<justin__>THANK YOU
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23:10<justin__>Damn it
23:10<justin__>So after installing network-manager
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23:10<justin__>When trying to choose a network
23:10<justin__>It tells me 'device not managed"
23:10<justin__>Through nm-applet
23:11<justin__>Any help?
23:11<sney>network-manager doesn't like to coexist with /etc/network/interfaces
23:11<justin__>Should I down eth1 from console>
23:11<sney>no, that shouldn't make a difference
23:11<justin__>So, what do I do?
23:12<sney>just comment out any crap that you have in /etc/network/interfaces and let n-m take over
23:12<justin__>HOw do I do that?
23:12<sney>typically you comment a line by putting a # in front of it
23:12<justin__>Like in python, right?
23:12<twb>Wow, someone actually LIKES NM?
23:13<sney>like in a great number of languages and most config files
23:13<sney>twb: suppose so
23:13<twb>You're the first I've seen
23:13<sney>seems he hasn't really used it yet
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23:15<jthill>I'm stuck trying to build ia32 .so on x86_64.
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23:15<jthill>I say -oformat=elf32-i386, but it seems ld's not honoring it
23:15<justin__>I commented out everything in network
23:15<justin__>I restart, huh
23:16<twb>jthill: -m32?
23:16<jthill>twb: tried it from gcc, no joy, it's not a ld param
23:16<twb>Ask ##workingset on Freenode
23:16<jthill>will do, thanks twb
23:17<justin__>Thank you.
23:17<justin__>I'll see you on my debian system.
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23:18<lilybet>I'm back on debian
23:18<lilybet>DAMN IT, i'm justin__
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23:20<lilybet>Damn it, i'm stuck with lilybet.
23:20<lilybet>But anyways
23:20<lilybet>Ok, so after restarting
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23:22<meebey>.oO( god bless dpkg... )
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23:26<jthill>twb: for reference, converting manpages to pdf isn't always a good idea
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23:27<sney>I can't really think of a situation where that *would* be a good idea
23:27<jthill>twb double-hyphen options look a lot like single-hyphen options ... sometimes
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23:27<twb>jthill: what are you talknig about?
23:27<jthill>the ld problem. it's not -oformat=foo, it's --oformat=foo
23:28<twb>That's a bug in the manpage
23:28<twb>Or in your printer's kerning
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23:28<jthill>no, the manpage itself is right, it's probably groff -Tps
23:29<twb>By "right" you mean that it uses \- instead of - -- both of which render as "-" in a tty?
23:29<jthill>or the viewer, either way, the doubledashes are there, they just _sometimes_ get all squished
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23:30<jthill>on the tty it's --oformat
23:30<twb>Yeah, it uses \-, so there's something wrong with your kerning
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23:30<jthill>right. either groff or ps2pdf
23:31<jthill>not a printer, evince
23:31<jthill>could be evince too I suppose, but I thought ps/pdf are supposed to be pixel-perfect?
23:31<justin__>So, another problem.
23:31<justin__>When trying to update my sources
23:31<justin__>I get this error
23:31<justin__>Or, reminder
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23:32<justin__>I keep getting this reminder :
23:33<justin__>Any help?
23:33<jthill>that message pops up in your editor?
23:34<justin__>No, my terminal
23:34<twb>justin__: fix your sources.list
23:34<gsimmons>justin__: You would want to comment your 'deb cdrom' lines, if these are no longer needed.
23:34<jthill>yah, he said he's trying to fix it
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23:35<jthill>oh. justin__ you're using some gui thingy?
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23:35<justin__>When i'm doing "apt-get update" or "aptitude update"
23:35<justin__>Thanks then :D
23:35<jthill>not update sources.list, just update. I get it. duh.
23:35<justin__>Should work now then.
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23:36<sney>hmm, security update to vlc. I wonder what the hole was
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23:44<bgat>anyone here having trouble with the current lxr-cvs printing blank screens where code should be?
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23:45<taranto_>good night
23:45<bgat>I see this in my var/log/apache2/error.log:
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23:45<bgat>[Thu Feb 10 22:42:50 2011] fatal: LXR::Lang::Generic, line 82: Insecure directory in $ENV{PATH} while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/LXR/Lang/ line 82.
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23:48<jthill>maybe it's something specific with apache, but generally that message means you've got group-write or worse permissions open somewhere
23:49<bgat>aah, looks like I did a chmod 777 on my /usr/local at some point.
23:49*bgat blushes
23:49<bgat>is this what it should be?
23:49<bgat>drw-r-sr-x 10 root staff 4096 Dec 29 20:44 /usr/local
23:50<bgat>I don't get the 's' there...
23:50<jthill>that says ownership on created entries are for creating owner
23:51<jthill>used no /tmp, so anybody can create stuff there but only the creator has access
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23:51<bgat>hmm... is that what I want for /usr/local? I'd just like to put it back to what it is 'supposed' to...
23:52<bgat>grrr, looks like I must have done a sudo chmod -R 777 /usr/local at some point...
23:52<jthill>your call, but I don't see why its needed
23:52<jthill>yah, that's gonna alarm the paranoid
23:53<bgat>sudo chmod -R g-s /usr/local
23:53<bgat>nuke the whole site from space, just to be sure? :)
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23:54<bgat>well, maybe I just dorked up my /usr/local, but at least lxr-cvs is working again :)
23:54<jthill>I dunno, I know sometimes games want write perms ... if you were a good person unlike me and kept a full-rebuild script handy I'd say go for it
23:55<bgat>bummer there isn't a usr-local.deb that's responsible for setting up that dir. Could just reinstall it...
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23:55<jthill>or you could just chmod -R 744, then 755 on the bins
23:56<jthill>debs don't manage local
23:56<jthill>you do
23:56<jthill>everything in there was built
23:56<bgat>aah, now I remember why I was futzing around in /usr/local anyway--- ptxdist
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23:58*bgat puts chmod -R g+s back on /usr/local
23:59<bgat>I just looked at a "clean" debian install on another machine, and all of /usr/local is g+s
23:59<bgat>works for me
23:59<sney>huh, indeed it is
23:59<jthill>whoah. really?
23:59<bgat>thanks for the help! I'm happy to have my lxr-cvs back now
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