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---Logopened Fri Feb 11 00:00:00 2011
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00:00<jthill>and root:staff, too
00:01<jthill>and the install user isn't in that group. heh.
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00:01<meebey>bgat: have you checked /usr/local/sbin? anyone could have rooted
00:02<bgat>my /usr/local/sbin is empty, drwxrwsr-x root:staff
00:02<meebey>and bin? your root shell also runs commands from there
00:03<bgat>my /usr/local/bin looks just like /usr/local/sbin permissions-wise, and it's empty
00:03<jthill>c'mon, nobody's going to put /usr/local/bin in root's path
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00:04<jthill>he says, all trusting-like.
00:04<meebey>so you need to hope there was nothing nasty in there, could be gone by now of course
00:05<bgat>well, these aren't multi-user machines, and they don't have routable IPs; so the most likely threats would be compromised debs--- and we don't have to worry about those, right? :)
00:06<meebey>most likely threat would be user then the debs
00:07<bgat>if I have just discovered a security issue, then someone with a better understanding of security will have to address it... I'm just a luser at best :)
00:08<jthill>well, the staff group has no members by default
00:08<meebey>he said he had 777 recursively on /usr/local
00:08<jthill>yah, but that didn't show on checking
00:08*bgat waves hand as the guilty 777'er
00:10<jthill>root:staff drwxrwsr-x is safe with an empty staff group
00:10<bgat>what's the point of having an empty group, tho?
00:11<meebey>"Insecure directory in $ENV{PATH}" that sounds like it was writeable, no?
00:11<jthill>I think debian's just setting up skeleton perms for you to flesh out,
00:11<jthill>but I'm speculating
00:11<jthill>group-write will alarm paranoid code
00:11<bgat>so if I add a user to 'staff', then they are basically root at least as far as /usr/local goes?
00:11<meebey>group-write? ic
00:11<meebey>so it was 775 not 777
00:12<jthill>that's what I got from the one example ... true everywhere bgat?
00:12<bgat>it was a very late night long, long ago... and it was very dark; I just can't remember, officer
00:13<meebey>he only pasted the permission after he modified the perms I think
00:13*bgat can't even remember THAT
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00:13<jthill>what chmods have you done in the last half hour?
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00:13<jthill>did you do a -R o-w?
00:14<bgat>I seem to recall doing a 644 at some point, and then deciding that wasn't really what I wanted
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00:14<bgat>I always get the numbers mixed up, I should stick with the letters instead
00:14<jthill>'cause if not it looks like you didn't do the 777
00:14<jthill>my /usr/local is 775
00:14<jthill>with the sticky
00:15<bgat>my /usr/local is now drwxr-sr-x 10 root staff 4096 Dec 29 20:44 /usr/local
00:15<bgat>... and I have no idea if that is correct, or now
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00:16<meebey>its better than 777 for sure ;)
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00:16<Some_Person>In ubuntu, if I just open a samba share in Nautilus, it gets a mountpoint in ~/.gvfs. It doesn't seem to get one at all in Debian
00:16<jthill>it'll shut up the paranoid code and it doesn't change actual access, what's left to worry about?
00:16<Some_Person>Is there any way to fix this?
00:16<bgat>bummer, I'm late for a meeting. going to have to sort this out later, which probably means it won't get fixed until someday when I wipe the machine and start over
00:17<bgat>sounds like the current state of things is probably ok for a personal workstation with a non-routeable IP
00:17<jthill>you're running apache on what userid?
00:17<meebey>non-routable IP doesnt matter if the machine has reachable services from the internet, say via port forwarding
00:18<bgat>it used to have openvpn, but I shut it down during an upgrade and haven't put it back up yet
00:18<bgat>my apache2 is running as www-data
00:19<bgat>... except for one process, which is running as root
00:19<meebey>remember kids: non-routable != non-rootable
00:19<bgat>yea, I know that openvpn potentially opens up a huge hole
00:20<bgat>I don't do port-forwarding, fwiw
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00:20<meebey>no other users, no public access, should be ok then
00:20<jthill>corporate box then? not just the vpn
00:20<bgat>jthill: not sure what you are asking
00:20<jthill>anybody ssh-tunnels out
00:20<bgat>yes, the machine is a corporate box--- but I'm self-employed :)
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00:21<meebey>I knew it! the user has access, panic now!
00:21<jthill>gotta trust someone. I thiink I'll trust my kid, I know myself too well.
00:22<bgat>Some_Person: sorry, I don't use Samba. And as you've just seen, I'm not too intelligent about some matters, either :)
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00:23<meebey>Some_Person: I have never seen gvfs mounting stuff somewhere, sounds more like an ubuntu bug to me
00:23<bgat>thanks for the help, all! The only thing better than the Debian OS is its user community!!
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00:24<meebey>it needs root for that, so probably some setuid stuff somewhere
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00:27<Some_Person>meebey: I don't think it's an ubuntu bug that it automounts things -- if it is, it's a damn useful bug
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00:29<jthill>no, ubuntu does the automounter thing, it's nice.
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00:29<jthill>but an ibmer just gave a talk on that
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00:30<Some_Person>Is there any way I can get the same behavior in debian?
00:30<jthill>seems it also kicks off the thumbnailer, which ... umm ... launches code to parse every file format known to man
00:31<jthill>I actually booted gnome off my system 'cause I was so sick of it playing hide-and-seek with config
00:32<Some_Person>Also, I know this is an upstream thing, but is there any way to get the location bar/button toggle button back in nautilus?
00:33<jthill>see? stuff like that. And how to add an xterm-here option. and and and.
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00:35<jthill>Some_Person: looks like autofs is what you want on debian
00:35<Some_Person>jthill: Will it just automount whatever I mount with nautilus or do I need to preconfigure all my crap?
00:36<jthill>try it
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00:38<Some_Person>Well, I installed it, but I guess I need to configure it because nothing new is happening
00:38*Some_Person rtfms
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00:41*Some_Person is confused
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00:43<meebey>do you have ubuntu somewhere to check someething?
00:43<Some_Person>Not anymore
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00:44<Some_Person>Wait, I have a backed up filesystem with an ubuntu install
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00:44<Some_Person>What do you want me to check?
00:44<meebey>check the permission of usr/bin/gvfs-mount
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00:45<Some_Person>doesn't exist
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00:46<meebey>hm, no idea what does the mount then
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00:48<dotcoder>Hi all, just mentioned it: why a word "password" in a login prompt is written capitalized ("Password")? Shouldn't it be in lowercase? "login" is lowercase
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00:48<dotcoder>now it is "login: " and "Password: ", no beauty here
00:49*jthill wonders if typing your userid all caps still sets that translate-to-lc mode
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00:50<dotcoder>I mean not my own username or password
00:50<dotcoder>I mean a prompt
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00:51<syndicate>perhaps because "login" is preceded by the hostname
00:51<jthill>well, "login" isn't the start of the prompt. your userid is
00:51<jthill>sorry, hostname
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00:52<jthill>it's your fault for not capitalizing a proper noun.
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00:54<qbo>hi all, how to integration a CD iso image in debian
00:55<syndicate>i'm not sure what you mean by integration
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00:55<qbo>i want to construction a cd iso image
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00:56<syndicate>as jthill said, you can do that using genisoimage
00:56<syndicate>install genisoimage package
00:56<syndicate>to create an .iso file
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00:57<bones_was_here>qbo: if you want a nice GUI for dealing with CD/DVD media and images, K3B is a good option (especially if you use KDE)
00:57<syndicate>try: genisoimage -o filename.iso directory-which-will-be-the-content-of-the-iso
00:58<qbo>not, it haven reach that step, just at create a custom debian cd iso image
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00:58<jthill>ah. you want to make your own install cd?
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00:59<qbo>i am don't know, how debian official to make the install cd out
00:59<gsimmons>dpkg: tell qbo -about custom netinst
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00:59<Some_Person>Got it! All I needed to do was install gvfs-fuse
01:00<Some_Person>Now it's behaving like ubuntu
01:00<jthill>Some_Person: kewl. I don't run gnome but I might bung that in
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01:03<qbo>dpkg, netinst
01:03<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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01:05<qbo>dpkg help
01:06<jthill>qbo: please msg dpkg and do that in pm conv
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01:07<qbo>jthill, how can i know what command does dpkg have ?
01:07<jthill>ask it or google, I don't know
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01:08<jthill>I know it's got a site on with links
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01:09<jm_>qbo: do you mean commands or factoids?
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01:10<qbo>jm_, commands dpkg in irc
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01:11<jm_>qbo: dpkg told you its commands after you said "dpkg help"
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01:13<qbo>jm_, thanks
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01:15<orko>Does anyone use a Realtek wireless LAN controller?
01:15<prem>dpkg help
01:15<thietanen>orko: I do
01:16<thietanen>orko: wait, not wireless
01:16<orko>thietanen: then?
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01:17<gsimmons>orko: Try asking a better question. Do you need support for a particular device?
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01:20<orko>Yes, I have RTL8191SEvB, the wireless is not working.
01:21<orko>Please give me some links to doc that you have found useful in setting up wireless LAN.
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01:23<nevyn>orko: does the card work at all?
01:23<nevyn>like does the kernel "see" it as an interface?
01:23<jthill>sudo lshw -c network
01:23<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from . See also <rtl8192se>.
01:24*nevyn hugs his intel card even if the firmware is non-free and a pain
01:24<jm_>but didn't ralink just release some new drivers for upstream? so there is hope
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01:29<orko>If I were to buy a wireless LAN controller that has free firmware and supported is in Linux, what would it be?
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01:30<jthill>!dpkg tell orko about wireless
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01:33<jm_>best to visit the wiki page and see which ones suit you
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01:34<orko>jthill: lshw is not installed by default, I am installing it now.
01:35<jthill>useful tool, but for this it'll just tell you that interface is unclaimed
01:36<jthill>which means you don't have a driver for that installed, which you know.
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01:39<orko>jhtill: thanks.
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01:41<gsimmons>jm_: The rtl8192se mac80211 driver (providing RTL8191SE support) is still in the pipeline AFAIK.
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01:48<jm_>gsimmons: yes, as usual I misremember things that don't interest me, it's about 2x00 drivers, not 8xxx
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03:20<Gambit>Hello everyone
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03:30<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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03:49<dwep>if i install a program from stable, do i need to uninstall it if i later install a newer version from backports when it is available there, or will it be overwritten by the backports version?
03:50<jm_>dwep: it will be replaced by a newer version if it's the same package
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03:51<dwep>jm_: great, ty! :>
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03:54<dwep>oh, one more thing, is there a way to get a terminal print out of a program's version differences between the one in stable and the one in backports?
03:55<dwep>as for now i type "aptitude show [package]" and "aptitude -t squeeze-backports show [package]" and compare the version number
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03:55<jm_>dwep: add backports to sources.list, apt* update; apt-cache policy pkg1 or apt-show-versions or ...
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03:58<dwep>apt-cache policy was a nice one!
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04:32<MeglaW>sorry for yet another offtopic link, but this guy just sharew our views so nice (even we did not start like him perhaps)
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04:37<jez9999>hi guys, i have a (probably noob) question
04:37<jez9999>why do 'dependency packages' exist, like the python package?
04:38<SynrG>if someone wants python, you don't want to tell them "ok, install python-foo, python-bar, libbaz-python, etc."
04:38<SynrG>for large metapackages, you'd be all day telling them what to install
04:39<SynrG>(take 'gnome' for instance)
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04:39<jez9999>take the python example, though
04:39<jez9999>it grabs (currently) a 'pythin2.6' package
04:39<jez9999>why cant that package just be called 'python'?
04:39<jez9999>and have the dependencies to python-foo, python-bar?
04:40<SynrG>because multiple pythons may exist
04:40<jez9999>of course, multiple versions right?
04:40<SynrG>we move the 'pointer' python from one to the next
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04:40<SynrG>it always points at the one that is 'current'
04:40<jez9999>but why not use the .deb version number for that?
04:40<jez9999>instead of putting the ver number in the package name
04:40<SynrG>because multiple versions are not allowed to exist in the archive simultaneously
04:41<jez9999>so why keep the multiple versions around?
04:41<SynrG>we have packages in the archive that simultaneously *depend on* specific versions
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04:41<SynrG>because changes to the language may break older code until it is upgraded
04:41<SynrG>it is a matter of managing our workload. it is easier to keep two versions around than to fix all that (upstream) code
04:42<jez9999>so basically the version number on the 'python2.6' package is meaningless
04:42<jez9999>there'll only ever be one version of that package
04:42<SynrG>meaningless? no
04:42<bones_was_here>jez9999: there are situations where you might want python 2.5, 2.6 and 3.x installed all at once - which you can do when the packages are named this way
04:42<SynrG>because the packaging may change
04:42<SynrG>we might decide that -minimal was a bad idea
04:42<SynrG>or that some other aspect of the packaging was wrong
04:43<SynrG>then the version# is incremented and a new package uploaded to fix the problem
04:43<jez9999>but having a 'version number' of 2.5.* for the python2.5 package seems a bit redundant
04:44<bones_was_here>the python2.5 package doesn't need to be changed for switching from version 2.5.1 to 2.5.2, or for other minor fixes
04:44<bones_was_here>*the name doesnt need to be changed
04:45<bones_was_here>the name usually only changes for versions that are significantly different, eg 2.5 => 2.6
04:45<jez9999>so you're not giving yourself the flexibility to be able to install 2.5.1 and 2.5.5 side-by-side
04:45<jez9999>just major version number changes
04:45<jez9999>might have some code that only works in 2.5.1 but not 2.5.5
04:46<SynrG>take a good look at the package 'python' anyway
04:46<SynrG>it is not *purely* a metapackage
04:46<SynrG>it contains some common things used by all pythongs
04:46<SynrG>dpkg -L
04:46<dpkg>SynrG: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
04:46<bones_was_here>jez9999: correct - but since the difference between 2.5.5 and 2.5.1 is fixes, why would you want both of those versions?
04:46<jez9999>bones_was_here: well they may have inadvertabtly broken something in a minor upgrade
04:47<SynrG>in that case the package that broke should be fixed
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04:47<SynrG>as i said, it is about managing workload
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04:47<SynrG>in an ideal world we force One True Version on everyone
04:47<SynrG>to have two is a compromise
04:47<bones_was_here>jez9999: in that case roll back to the previous version so your code works again, while you wait for a fixed package to be released - why would you want the broken version as well as the old but working version?
04:48<SynrG>it's a good enough solution to keep things manageable
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04:48<jez9999>bones_was_here: that sounds like a simular question to 'why would you want 2.5 and 2.6 at the same time?'
04:48<SynrG>jez9999: you're not listening
04:48<bones_was_here>jez9999: not really, since 2.5 and 2.6 have significant differences other than bug fixes
04:49<SynrG>it's all about striking a compromise we can live with
04:49<bones_was_here>code written for 2.5 doesn't necessarily work on 2.6 - without there being a bug
04:49<SynrG>also, the policy is not uniform wrt major vs. minor versions because upstreams vary
04:49<SynrG>take ruby, for example
04:50<jez9999>so was the .deb system originally designed with this in mind?
04:50<SynrG>currently there is a 'ruby1.9.1' and a 'ruby1.8'
04:50<jez9999>it seems to have been designed such that the 'python' package actually contains the core files for python, version number represents its version
04:50<SynrG>because 'ruby1.9.2' has significant changes over 'ruby1.9.1'
04:50<jez9999>basically, that 'python' is actually what you have as 'python2.6'
04:50<bones_was_here>jez9999: different major version python packages install different binaries into /usr/bin
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04:51<SynrG>again, you're not listening. it's not about the design of the deb system. it's about making compromises we can live with. the deb system doesn't work against us here. in fact, it perfectly suits handling this situation.
04:51<jez9999>i know, im just interested as to whether this was originally envisaged
04:52<jez9999>or whether the original idea was that you'd not have 'dependency packages'
04:52<SynrG>reread what i said above ...
04:52<SynrG>'python' is not a pure metapackage anyway
04:52<SynrG>it contains stuff common to python2.5 and python2.6
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04:53<jez9999>yeah i see that
04:53<bones_was_here>jez9999: on my system i have, each required by different scripts -
04:53<bones_was_here>/usr/bin/python2.5 /usr/bin/python2.6 /usr/bin/python3.1
04:53<kralor>hey I am trying to compile an application that requires /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/build , how can I get this file for my current kernel without having to rebuild it ?
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04:53<SynrG>so was the package system designed so that multiple packages could share things via a third package that contains common elements for both?
04:53<SynrG>of course it was.
04:53<bones_was_here>/usr/bin/python is a symlink to 2.6 - that will change when debian switches from 2.6 to 3.x (or i can do it manually if i have reason, but i might break some programs by doing so)
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04:54<jez9999>and presumably the 'default' python may be different in the squeeze and sid repos
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04:56<themill>bones_was_here: the plan is that /usr/bin/python will always by python2.x in debian; python is still 2.6 in squeeze/wheezy/sid/experimental although it is likely to change to 2.7 in sid this weekend
04:56<fladi>kralor, if you used the packaged kernel that comes with Debian you should install linux-headers-`uname -r`. this package will give you the appropriate files.
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04:57<bones_was_here>themill: surely python 2.x will eventually become obsolete and not be depended on by any packages, and so the default would get changed to a 3.x or newer version?
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04:57<bones_was_here>of course that might be 10 years away :)
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04:59<themill>bones_was_here: maybe... but python2 still has a lot of life left in it yet... and if it's so incompatible with python3, there's no real benefit in updating that symlink to point to python3 ever
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05:01<jez9999>is this like perl5 and perl6? :-)
05:01<kralor>fladi: yep thanks
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05:26<AgentC>on squeeze i missing normal mounted devicepathes in left-site of file browser, on lenny there where also the normal mounted devs. is there a way to re-enable that feature ?
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05:48<sahko>when someone's using the stable release, dont updates released under "point releases" go to stable *before* the point release is.. released? for example in the lenny 5.0.8 point release there was a git-core bugfix. users already running lenny, got the git-core update the day 5.0.8 was released or earlier?
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05:54<rudi_s>sahko: The day 5.0.8 was released, why should they get it earlier?
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05:55<sahko>i dont know, i always considered those point releases mostly related to the isos
05:55<vtts>isos were generated at least a day later
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05:56<themill>security updates usually get into the point release via so were available prior to the point release; there are other non-security updates that go into the point release, however.
05:56<themill>(you can get them from stable-proposed-updates, but few people do)
05:56<sahko>yeah thats why im asking
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05:59<themill>sahko: so at point release time, packages are moved from security.d.o and from stable-proposed-updates over into the stable archive and then the isos are remade. (Same goes for oldstable point releases)
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06:20<cyrus_nk>hello! i had a problem with X but solved it by reinstalling the NVIDIA drivers and now i get the login screen, enter the user and the pass and nothing happen, only a blue screen and the mouse cursor. anyone please help me
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06:21<Pr370r1an1n>Hello Guys
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06:23<Pr370r1an1n>got some question about Debian have big problem and dont know what to do wana have 2 systems on my Disc Windows 7 and Debian On one partition got windows on sec Debian but all time when I install Debian he dont see in Grub Windows 7 :/ dont know what to do any sugestion ?
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06:24<devil>Pr370r1an1n: is os-prober installed?
06:25<jm_>that only counts if you're using grub 2
06:26<devil>sure. i live in the hope, people have uptodate systems :)
06:26<hstrutz>yo! i've got a ati radeon x600 card - and have followed the instructions for squueze here: -- but when I try to modprobe fglrx from the console I get this message: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): No such device. whats wrong?
06:26<jm_>hstrutz: try reading kernel messages (dmesg)
06:27<hstrutz>jm_: ok, wait, hold on.
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06:27<gsimmons>hstrutz: Squeeze's fglrx driver does not support the R300 series.
06:27<hstrutz>jm_, "464030] fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel", what does that mean?
06:28<Pr370r1an1n>well I'm new in Linux I start :) before I got windows XP and Red Had I dont have problem with grub he see bots systems now when I got Windows 7 and Debian have problem when I instal Debian on the end he tell me on my disc I got sec system Windows Vista but its not VIsta only Windows 7 ..
06:28<Vermyndax>hstrutz: It means that code "taints" the licensing of the kernel
06:28<Vermyndax>hstrutz: the fglrx code is proprietary and not open
06:29<jm_>hstrutz: that it's nto GPL licensed module
06:29<Pr370r1an1n>any guy from PL here ?
06:29<hstrutz>Vermyndax, ah,. I see. but hm,. I've got an ati radeon x600 card so it should work with squuze too?
06:29<cyrus_nk> i had a problem with X but solved it by reinstalling the NVIDIA drivers and now i get the login screen, enter the user and the pass and nothing happen, only a blue screen and the mouse cursor. don't know what to do
06:30<Vermyndax>hstrutz: that warning isn't about an actual technical issue
06:30<Vermyndax>hstrutz: Sorry, it's been a long time since I've tried to use fglrx in debian, so I don't know what the problem might be
06:30<Vermyndax>hstrutz: I always used nvidia cards
06:30<hstrutz>Vermyndax, I understand. But should I apt-get remove fglrx* and download the .tar.gz from the
06:30<Vermyndax>hstrutz: I
06:31<Vermyndax>hstrutz: I'll have to let someone else comment on that, sorry
06:31<hstrutz>Vermyndax, alright. Ok, anybody else? :-)
06:31<Torsten_W>hstrutz, you cant use fglrx on squeeze with this card
06:31<gsimmons>hstrutz: The X600 (RV380) is not supported by upstream anymore. Use the open-source radeon driver.
06:32<sahko>Pr370r1an1n: see the errata scroll down in the part it says about "Windows is not added to the grub list"
06:32<hstrutz>gsimmons: damn, so I can't get 3d acceleration, etc?
06:32<gsimmons>hstrutz: I did not say that ; /msg dpkg radeon
06:33<hstrutz>gsimmons, aight, thanks.
06:33<Pr370r1an1n>thz for help sahko :)
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06:34<hstrutz>gsimmons. dkpg is sleeping. but its just to apt-get xserver-xorg-video-radeon?
06:34<hstrutz>gsimmons, oh, sorry, it was me sleeping...
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06:39<Paytam> I install the kubuntu 10.10 and want to add persian keyboard layout.I installed the language but I could not write in that language. The language indicator show just EN
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06:40<sahko>Pr370r1an1n: ask your question here. i am new to debian as well. i dont think you got a beta version though
06:41<sahko>its just a bug of the stable version
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06:43<Pr370r1an1n>so what to do with this bug ? Sahko someone fix that or know how to do
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06:45<sahko>it says what to do : run update-grub
06:45<lamah>how can i view my partitions like 'cfdisk /dev/sdb' but i cant with cfdisk, i mean like - fdisk -l but i want to see it in GB's ?
06:45<Pr370r1an1n>well how I can do this ?
06:45<sahko>probably as root, but im not an expert on grub2 issues
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06:48<Pr370r1an1n>ok I find some Information on the google step by step how to do this :P
06:49<Pr370r1an1n>I hope this will be working if not I shoot my self:)
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06:50<cyrus_nk>why after login squeeze doesn't start? i only got a blank screen and the cursor. what should i do to fix the problem?
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06:50<SynrG>Pr370r1an1n: perhaps not the optimal solution
06:50<lamah>who knows?!
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06:51<Pr370r1an1n>SynrG: well who knows who knows :D
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06:52<SynrG>i mean shooting yourself. not ... optimal :)
06:52<mercutio22>Hi. I am experiencing a very long gnome login time. Can anyone think of a way to find out whats causing the holdup?
06:52<Pr370r1an1n>first time I use IRC and same linux so I feel like some 12 years ago when I see first time Windows but I got good teacher :) so now Windows its not problem for me Hope will be same with Linux
06:53<cyrus_nk>mercutio22, i have a probme like that. does it load in the end or just hangs?
06:53<mercutio22>cyrus_nk: it loads alright, but takes an unacceptable long time. Something must be wrong.
06:54<cyrus_nk>mercutio22, how long?
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06:54<mercutio22>cyrus_nk: more than a minute
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06:55<cyrus_nk>mercutio22, mine it doesn't even load, after login i have only a blank screen and the cursor
06:55<mercutio22>cyrus_nk: I did time it once but I didn't record it
06:55<cyrus_nk>i don't know what to do
06:55<bluenemo>can i make ssh-keygen not ask for a passphrase? i read the man and some google but couldnt find anything.
06:56<mercutio22>bluenemo: maybe you can just enter an empty one
06:56<mercutio22>I think that would be alright
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06:56<bluenemo>i need it for a script, which should run automaticly. as i will leave it blank anyway, i want to skip the asking for the passphrase
06:57<SynrG>lamah: maybe 'parted -l'? but i'm not entirely happy with it (in particular, i would like it to skip optical drives, as that seems to be giving it problems)
06:57<mercutio22>bluenemo: try leaving it blank then
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06:58<bluenemo>cyrus_nk, blank screen and cursor sounds to me like you only have xdm started, try starting by /etc/init.d/gdm start or sth
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06:58<stuarta>did anyone else notice the inconsistency in the new archive signing key email?
06:58<gsimmons>bluenemo: -N '' should be sufficient.
06:59<bluenemo>mercutio22, leaving the -P option blank doesnt work. i dont want him to even ask for a passphrase (ask the script shoud run by itself
06:59<stuarta>"archive signing keys regularly expire after 3 years" expiry date of new key "2018-03-05"
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06:59<stuarta>it aint 2015
06:59<bluenemo>gsimmons, -N is for changing the old passphrase to a new one, already tried..
06:59<cyrus_nk>bluenemo, i did /etc/init.d/gdm start and it says GDM already running
06:59<bluenemo>do /etc/init.d/gdm stop, or restart
07:00<hstrutz>hiya again. I installed the radeon module, added it to /etc/modules, etc. but when i hit glxinfo I only get this: "name of display: :0.0 / Segmentation default"
07:01<AgentC>any1 have experience in compiling v4l dvb tv driver ?
07:02<gsimmons>bluenemo: It can be used during key creation to supply an empty passphrase, see openssh-server's postinst.
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07:02<cyrus_nk>bluenemo, i get a message "There already appears to be an X server running on display :0"
07:03<mercutio22>bluenemo: I am sure it is possible. I had my ssh keys unprotected once.. I can't recall how to though
07:03<bluenemo>ah mercutio22 i oversought your ''
07:03<bluenemo>cyrus_nk, /etc/init.d/xdm stop
07:04<bluenemo>yes it works mercutio22 cool thank you :D
07:04<cyrus_nk>bluenemo, /etc/init.d/xdm no such file or directory
07:05<SynrG>hm. lamah is gone, but 'parted /dev/sda print' looks good to me (to display partitions sizes in human-readable format)
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07:05<SynrG>(had to answer that one for myself, since i was curious :)
07:05<mercutio22>bluenemo: welcome =] Glad it worked
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07:05<bluenemo>cyrus_nk, change to init 1, then change back. init 1 kills all graphical stuff. change there with: init 1 then do init 2
07:06<cyrus_nk>bluenemo, don't know how to change to init 1 :(
07:07<bluenemo>cyrus_nk, just type: init 1
07:07<bluenemo>then type: init 2 to get back into runlevel 2
07:07<bluenemo>runlevel 1 (or init 1) is the single user runlevel. no networking, no graphics stuff, no other users. root only mode :)
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07:08<cyrus_nk>i did init 1 and then init 2 and again the login screen space fun and stuff, enter my user and pass and then the same thing, nothing happens, the blank screen and the cursor
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07:09<cyrus_nk>bluenemo, i did init 1 and then init 2 and again the login screen space fun and stuff, enter my user and pass and then the same thing, nothing happens, the blank screen and the cursor
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07:10<bluenemo>hm have what kind of window manager - graphical system have you got installed?
07:11<bluenemo>or did you just click desktop system on installation? (then its gnome)
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07:12<cyrus_nk>bluenemo, i had gnome installed on lenny
07:12<hstrutz>does anyone have any idea why glxinfo makes a segmentation fault after I've removed from fglrx and installed the radeon module on squeeze?
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07:12<mercutio22>It seems I only have a working wireless connection after network-manager starts in gnome
07:13<mercutio22>Would it be possible to configure it to be established before loading x?
07:13<bluenemo>cyrus_nk, hm strange.. try adding a new user (adduser foo) and copy his gnome config files to your user (dont forget to chown them to your user). i think its ~/.gconf or sth
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07:15<bluenemo>mercutio22, try writing dhclient wlan0 or sth in your rc.local.. not shure if rc.local starts before X but i think so..
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07:18<AgentC>where can i get the source of squeeze kernel 2.6.32-5 ? it's not installed on me but needed to compile a driver. on i only find 2.6.32-3 source. is there a dev-package somewhere to download?
07:19<SynrG>generally to build drivers you don't need the source, but just the headers.
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07:21<AgentC>SynrG: headers i have, but on "make" it says it cant find /lib/modules/2.6-32-5-686/build/scripts/basic/Makefile in that path only 2 files are present: docproc and fixdep. do you know what to do ?
07:21<jm_>AgentC: apt-get source pkgname
07:21<SynrG>if you really want to build official debian kernels from source (and i think you probably don't) then read
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07:23<SynrG>see also for additional HOWTOs
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07:23<AgentC>jm_: do i have to add something to the apt/sources.list ?
07:24<jm_>AgentC: deb-src entries
07:24<SynrG>oh and you should also have kbuild
07:24<mercutio22>bluenemo: It seems I need to use wpasupplicant
07:24<SynrG>generally, building kernel modules out of tree only requires: kernel headers for your kernel and kbuild. then 'make' should 'just work' for a kbuild-compliant module
07:24<bluenemo>mercutio22, ah yes exactly. now i remember too :) long time ago since i set up my T60p :)
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07:26<jez>hi again
07:26<SynrG>AgentC: i'm not sure what has set you down this path. have you decided the module included in 2.6.32-5-686 doesn't work? i looked at bugs for linux-2.6 and found someone complaining it didn't work on a 'xen' flavour kernel ... they were instructed to try non-xen and then they reported that it worked for them.
07:26<AgentC>jm_: ah, i got the source :) thanks!
07:26<jm_>AgentC: no worries
07:26<SynrG>AgentC: i couldn't find any other outstanding bug reports for the module for your card
07:27<jez>there are a few bootup messages that flash past on the screen between my grub prompt, and the first message that gets logged to /var/log/boot (which in my case is 'Setting parameters of disc'). How can I see these messages or log them?
07:27<AgentC>SynrG: that card is technisat, they provide a non-free patch for that dvb v4l package
07:27<AgentC>SynrG: i think, it is required to get it going.
07:28<mercutio22>bluenemo: it never associates with the ap though. Crap.
07:28<SynrG>AgentC: oh? so you mean the module works in general, but may not work with your particular hardware?
07:28<SynrG>that, i could believe
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07:28<bluenemo>mercutio22, if you mean network manager, screw that. i use wicd
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07:29<AgentC>SynrG: i have a inst-readme by technisat, shall i paste ?
07:29<mercutio22>bluenemo: no. I mean wpasupplicant. network-manager works alright here
07:29<AgentC>SynrG: normally that instructions are clear,
07:29<AgentC>SynrG: but dont know, something is different on my sys then in that description. all requirements are installed
07:30<SynrG>AgentC: i am only half following today. actually, should be focusing on work right now. :) keep that url handy for later if-and-when you have problems, though.
07:30<SynrG>and good luck
07:30<bluenemo>mercutio22, hm ok :/
07:31<AgentC>SynrG: yes, thank you anyway, i'll try again when kernel source is installed. :-) thanks , and happy work! :)
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07:31<SynrG>AgentC: oh, and do read that HOWTO i pasted the link to. building official kernels from source is a bit more involved than other packages.
07:32<SynrG>and keep in mind what i said about not needing to rebuild the whole kernel
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07:33<SynrG>typically whole kernel recompiles are *only* needed for changing something fundamental (like preempt, as the HOWTO gives as an example)
07:33<SynrG>if you're rebuilding the whole kernel just to build a driver module, you're usually doing something wrong
07:33<mercutio22>Somehow a long time ago I changed my netbook's console font to a very cool one. How could I find out which one it is so I can do the same on my desktop?
07:34<SynrG>also, you no longer benefit from the efforts of the kernel team to keep your kernel patched and working with debian (i.e. every time they come out with a new release with fixes, you need to rebuild the kernel yourself to take advantage of those fixes)
07:34<SynrG>and finally, you can't file bugs against self-built kernels
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07:35<SynrG>for all these reasons, it's something you should carefully consider if you really want before you go down that road.
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07:36<jez>hey guys
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07:36<jez>need some help on the boot process with grub
07:37<AgentC>SynrG: i see, could be a little bit more difficult to get it work. docu of dvb says there are only headers needed, but that specific file is used in makeprocess isnt present. :-? i try to ssearch another docu, thanx
07:37<jez>there are warning messages that briefly appear between grub's menu, and what gets logged to var/log/boot
07:37<jez>why dont they get logged to /var/log/boot and how can i capture them?
07:37<SynrG>AgentC: do you have kbuild too?
07:37<hstrutz>My open radeon module is now working. no problem at all, only thing is that its nothing compared to the fglrx module that worked with Lenny. Is it really no way that the my ati x600 can use the fglrx module under Squeeze?
07:38<SynrG>AgentC: linux-kbuild-2.6.32
07:38<devil>jez: they happen too early, nothing is mounted at that point
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07:38<AgentC>SynrG: what is it? shall i check it is installed ?
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07:38<jez>devil: well they flash by before the screen goes into another mode
07:38<AgentC>SynrG: is installed
07:38<devil>jez: do they have to do with udev?
07:39<jez>and SYSFS
07:39<SynrG>AgentC: and linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 too? (assuming 686 is your kernel flavour)
07:39<devil>jez: then you may ignore them. to get rid of them you need to read, for wjhat app they are. if not needed, delete the app
07:39<gsimmons>hstrutz: No. Again, support for these devices was discontinued by AMD/ATI.
07:39<jez>i cant read them, they flash by in half a second
07:39<jez>i need to pause that damn screen :-)
07:39<devil>jez: your pc is too fast :)
07:39<dpkg>somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
07:40<jez>it's not in bootlog.
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07:40<jez>they happen before bootlog
07:40<devil>adb: bootloggd is a good idea but will not help here
07:40<SynrG>AgentC: examine the Makefile for your kernel module. it may not be an ordinary kbuildable module. and there may be variables in there to point at the bits you are missing.
07:40<AgentC>SynrG: headers are on installed also other versions of kernel-headers, 2.6.32-686 is installed
07:40<devil>jez: enabling bootlogd is a good idea, but not for here...too early
07:41<jez>cant grub somehow capture them or offer a screen that pauses after they are displayed, giving you a chance to read them?
07:41<devil>jez: grub is not active anymore
07:41<SynrG>AgentC: as for more detailed help ... i can't offer any more. gotta work ... but you really ought to be able to get it to go with just the headers, so don't give up on it :)
07:41<jm_>jez: no
07:41<jez>why are those warnings even output if you dont have time to read them?
07:41<devil>jm_: anywa they mean no harm.
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07:41*devil hits md with an udev rule.
07:42<bluenemo>do ssh public keys HAVE to be created on the machine that later wants to log in? or can i send another machine a id_rsa(and .pub) file that stands in the auth_keys in a third machine?
07:42<AgentC>SynrG: time and learning brings the answer and the solution i think so :=)
07:42<hstrutz>bah, everything is much worse with squeeze; amarok looks like a mess, the radeon module is a mess. I miss lenny.
07:42<bluenemo>i'm actually quite happy with squeeze :) i think the lenny stuff is just to old
07:42<SynrG>yes, we worked hard on making squeeze worse than lenny. glad you enjoy the results.
07:42<devil>jez: they are not for you. they are for maintainers of the packages. complaints please to md (Marco D'itri)
07:42<bluenemo>SynrG, :D
07:43<mercutio22>where should wpa_supplicant.conf be placed in Debian?
07:43<jez>devil: yeah but i need to be able to see them to know what packages they pertain to
07:43<AgentC>hstrutz: yep, that part of amarok i also find stupid, the lennyversion i like more.
07:43<jez>so how is anyone meant to see them?
07:43<devil>jez: i know the prob :)
07:43<bluenemo>mercutio22, updatedb && locate wpa_supplicant.conf . find would be an option as well
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07:43<SynrG>hstrutz: please don't fault squeeze for including latest versions of software. go complain upstream :P
07:44<SynrG>(re amarok)
07:44<jez>short of pointing a video camera at the screen
07:44<jez>and pausing the recording
07:44<SynrG>and regarding radeon ... you mean you were happy with the old non-free mess? i hated it. at least the free drivers are a step forward.
07:44<devil>jez: good plan.
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07:44<devil>jez: the adress for complaints is still md
07:44<gsimmons>mercutio22: Wherever you want, it's a user-supplied file which you reference via the wpa-conf iface option.
07:44<jez>but isnt it a fundamental bug if you have warning messages you cant read, and cant capture into a file?
07:44<bluenemo>SynrG, i didnt mean the latest version. but some stuff on lenny is just waaay to old
07:45<jez>complaints about the lack of ability to see these warnings, you mean?
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07:45<devil>jez: there was a way to hold the boot process somehow (i forgot)
07:45<hstrutz>SynrG, but my screen resolutions isnt what it was with fglrx, now with radeon. of course i also favoure open source.....
07:45<devil>jez: no, complaints why users see them at all!
07:45<mercutio22>gsimmons: in /etc/network/interfaces?
07:46<mercutio22>gsimmons: care to share an example?
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07:46<SynrG>hstrutz: it's a matter of trading one set of problems for another, i'm afraid. at least with the open source drivers we have a hope of actually making things continuously better ... with non-free we were facing a dead end
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07:47<SynrG>sorry though. i feel your pain
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07:47<SynrG>and have a look through any bugs filed on the driver. there may yet be a solution to your particular problem
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07:48<hstrutz>SynrG, haha, I will survive... when I put my "pain" in relations to the real pain of the world, its of course a joke.
07:48<gsimmons>mercutio22: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa_supplicant.conf.gz
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07:48<devil>hstrutz: just compare it to the pain other $OS puts upon you.
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07:49<bluenemo>SynrG, i am definitly on your site on throwing the properitary stuff out. to be ecact, i f$#ing love it :D
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07:50<devil>radeon driver will impeovwe further. so will nouveau.
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07:52<jez>ok so no-one here knows how to pause the boot process between the grub menu and bootlogd starting. where's the best place for me to post the question?
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07:56<witte>jez: maybe in #debian-boot (although that is more for the installer i think)
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07:59*w3asel is away: Estoy en alguna parte del universo conocido, pero te garantizo que no esoy sentado frente a mi pc en este momento!!!!
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08:00<devil>(really away) :)
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08:03<bluenemo>whats really away?
08:04<ayaka>I'd like know about Sony PS emulator
08:05<bluenemo>ayaka, that may be sth for #ubuntu on freenode. there are more user stuff geeks :) here mostly are admin geeks :D
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08:06<ayaka>bluenemo, ?so about game emulator in debian should ask ubuntu?
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08:08<tjader>ayaka: ubuntu has mostly the same packages as debian, and people in #ubuntu are more likely to use console emulators than people in #debian
08:08<ayaka>tjader, bluenemo thank you I see
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08:09<mp>i want to repot a bug in the installer (doesn't boot at all) - what is the package name?
08:09<petemc>mp: which arch?
08:09<mp>petemc: 386
08:09<petemc>it boots for lots of people, have you verified cd burnt correctly etc?
08:10<ayaka>Hello,friends,I want to know some about ACL in ext4
08:10<tjader>ayaka: now that's more likely someone here will know about :)
08:10<mp>petemc: yes, i burned two, one for netinstall, one of iso CD1 - both fail after choosing either normal or expert, gui or not gui
08:10<petemc>fail how?
08:11<tjader>mp, I'd run md5sum -c md5sums.txt on them before reporting a bug
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08:11<bluenemo>ayaka, if you have extended questions about fs, you might want to take a look at #digital-forensics @ freenode :D
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08:12<bluenemo>sorry #digital-forensic its a great channel
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08:12<ayaka>bluenemo, I don't know what is fs?like ext4 or xfs?
08:12<bluenemo>fs = filesystem
08:15<ayaka>bluenemo, I see,I will go there,ACL is fs problem?
08:15<bluenemo>well i dont know if its a problem ayaka :) as far as i know its an ext4 attribute or sth. but ask there if no one here knows the answer. ppl there are very skilled with fs stuff
08:16<ayaka>bluenemo, thank you
08:16<mp>petemc - it once gave this error msg: "EDD: Error 2000 reading sector 222" - otherwise it just stalls after pressing enter. Unfortunately several keys are dead on this laptop, so cannot use boot params
08:16<bluenemo>ayaka, you're welcome
08:17<tjader>mp: that sounds like faulty disks or drive to me.
08:17<devil>mp: does any other live cd boot?
08:17<tjader>can you test the cds on another computer?
08:17<tjader>or with another drive
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08:20<ayaka>bluenemo, are you sure it in freenode?I can't join it?I don't know much about IRC,In china,IRC is a little people using
08:20<mp>metemc / tjader - CDs were both burned with that drive and it mounts fine and i can browse the files in Nautilus (this is the machine in question)
08:20<tjader>mp, perhaps one critical file got corrupted
08:20<mp>of course possible
08:20<LeBreton>Bonjour, y a-t-il quelqu'un qui est français, ici ?
08:20<petemc>mp: you cant try booting with edd=off ?
08:21<bluenemo>ayaka, you already are on the right channel. i wrote you sth on #digital-forensic on freenode
08:21<Esteban>can you md5sum a whole CD in a reasonable timeframe?
08:21<LeBreton>J'ai un problème avec wine
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08:21<tjader>$ cd /media/cdrom (or watever the mountpoint is), $md5sum -c md5sums.txt
08:21<mp>petemc - some keys are dead, so cannot do that
08:21<tjader>Esteban: define reasonable?
08:21<Esteban>before I fall asleep in the next 5 mins :-)
08:21<tjader>Don't think so.
08:21<petemc>mp: you dont have another keyboard? you're not in a great position to submit a bug report if you're trying to use a broken laptop
08:22<LeBreton>Who's french, here ?
08:22<Esteban>(-: suggestion was for mp
08:22<tjader>Perhaps a netinst CD is doable in that time
08:22<SynrG>!fr LeBreton
08:22<ayaka>bluenemo, I see,the server is slowly
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08:22<LeBreton>ok, sylar
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08:22<bluenemo>ayaka, cant you write sth there?
08:23<ayaka>bluenemo, yes,I see you
08:23<ayaka>bluenemo, then I will wait answer
08:23<bluenemo>jup :)
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08:24<mp>petemc - yes, true... it is a laptop and usb keyboard not working at that stage...
08:25<mp>tjader - oops... CD seems to be buggered...
08:25*mp blushes
08:25<tjader>There we go.
08:25<mp>tow of them!
08:25<mp>two of them
08:25<tjader>Perhaps your CD recorder is not working properly
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08:25<tjader>You could try a usb drive
08:25<mp>it used to - like most things :)
08:26<mp>this laptop dont do usb boot
08:26<tjader>That sucks
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08:27<Esteban>i love #debian
08:27<Esteban>good night all
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08:29<cjhmdm>hello, could someone provide a url that has download links for debian lenny? It seems they are no longer publicly available (or very hidden) on
08:29<tjader>cjhmdm: cd images?
08:29<cjhmdm>tjader: yes
08:29<cjhmdm>namely, the netinstall
08:30<crc>although I now see lenny is not there yet
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08:31<cjhmdm>@ the debian project team: please provide a url on the "getting Debian" page for older versions. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that, for production server environments, I'd prefer to stick with lenny for at least the next year ><
08:31<gsimmons>dpkg: install lenny
08:31<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>.
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08:32<cjhmdm>gsimmons: thanks
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08:32<mp>tjader - yea, it sucks - have hooked up an ext. burner, will have a go with that now.. thx for the obvious solution! :)
08:32<tjader>cjhmdm: tell that to the #debian-www people
08:33<tjader>mp: you're welcome
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08:34<cjhmdm>now, would someone happen to have a link that explains how to install from a local hard disk? (via booting the linux image/initrd.gz from grub)
08:34<gsimmons>dpkg: tell cjhmdm -about hd-media
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08:34<cjhmdm>It's been a while since I've done it so I kinda need a refresher and google is becoming useless
08:35<cjhmdm>gsimmons tjader: thanks to both of ya
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08:39<mercutio22>crap. I was following this Change my /etc/interfaces file permission to 0600. Now ifup says "could not read file /etc/network/interfaces"
08:39<mercutio22>my fingers are sloppy
08:39<mercutio22>I am sloppy
08:40<mercutio22>What should the permissions be?
08:40<tjader>644, probably
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08:46<loukiluk>There is a special chan for wine ?
08:47<tjader>loukiluk: #wine at freenode, I guess
08:47<loukiluk>ok, thx
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08:53<rah>I have a load of files named with now-unused hosts under /var/lib/apt/...
08:54<rah>however, I'm not sure which files I can safely remove
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08:54<rah>is there some automated method of cleaning old package lists?
08:55<tjader>aptitude clean
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08:58<jm_>rah: the most you'll have to do is apt* update, so why worry?
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08:59<rah>jm_: because my /var is running out of space
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08:59<rah>myrtle:~# du -sh /var/lib/apt
08:59<rah>172M /var/lib/apt
08:59<jm_>rah: yeah but I am saying it's easy to get those files back
08:59<rah>jm_: back from what?
08:59<jm_>anyway have to go now
08:59<jm_>rah: from mirrors
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09:03<witte>rah: i believe "apt-get autoclean" is more appropriate
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09:05<rah>witte: done that; the files are still there
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09:05<rah>"aptitude clean" doesn't clean them either
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09:06<witte>rah: ah, sorry, I read it to quickly, the files you have there are the list of package files from the server
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09:07<witte>each time you'll do an update, you'll re-download them
09:08<rah>witte: there are files whose names contain hostnames that I no longer update from
09:08<witte>what you can do to make that directory smaller is removing all unneeded lists in your /etc/apt/sources.list (you don't need 5 the same mirrors)
09:08<rah>witte: ie, that will never be re-downloaded
09:08<witte>ah, you can remove them (i think) without any problem
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09:08<rah>witte: which files, though?
09:08<rah>witte: can I just rm -rf /var/lib/apt/*?
09:09<witte>the ones you don't use for sure
09:09<rah>witte: or do I have to manually compare my sources.list to the hostnames in each file name?
09:09<witte>but only within lists
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09:10<witte>and you could better mv /var/lib/apt/lists /var/lib/apt/list_old
09:10<witte>if an update then works, you can remove it
09:11<rah>lists isn't the problem
09:11<rah>there are directories named foreign/ and native/
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09:11<witte>ah, I don't have those, my biggest one is lists, that is why i assumed it was the cause of the problems
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09:16<padski>Earlier, I just typed 'apt-get build-dep dbus', and had a party! The programs I invited, well they invited their friends, and those friends invited there friends. Pretty soon I had a lisp compiler and luatex. I particularly like "FeynMF is a LaTeX package for easy drawing of professional-quality Feynman diagrams". Unfortunately I was in a pub on a 5KB/s link and had to say no. How do I revisit the "recommends" question lat
09:16<padski>er ?
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09:18<padski>Is there a simple command I can issue to ask what I would have installed if I took all outstanding recommendations ?
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09:21<syndicate>apt-get --install-recommends perhaps?
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09:22<jana>hey there!
09:24<jana>i have got a question installing tor on squeeze using the tor repository
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09:25<tjader>jana: I think you're more likely to get help on that on a tor channel
09:25<dpkg>The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. Lenny's 0.2.0.x version is end-of-life'd by upstream, ask me about <volatile> for 0.2.1.x packages. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (, ask me about <tor-sasl>. #tor on
09:25<jana>how can i force apt to use the tor repository in the sources list instead the main one???
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09:25<tjader>what do you mean force?
09:26<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
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09:27<jana>thx to you ! i will try it!
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10:00<balin>Installer (testing): is it possible to setup a lvm inside a physical encryption volume with a random key? Will volume group and volumes be recrated upon remount with a new key)?
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10:02<troulouliou>hi could anybody tell me how to generate an initrd that take care of root crypted partition
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10:13<azunyaa-roku>I want to install all of the packages with "ttf-", how to do that in console ?
10:14<buffoon_work>azunyaa-roku, apt-get install ttf-* should do the trick
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10:15<buffoon_work>but better if you do that in a directory that doesn't have any files beginning with ttf- so that apt-get gets the wildcard instead of bash
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10:17<AgentC>hm, i added simply b2c2_flexcop_pci and stv0299 to /etc/modules, driver is loading at startup and tv-config tool tells about a found card. is it correctly that the setup-process cant finish correctly without antenna ?
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10:19<azunyaa-roku>buffoon_work, how to not install two packages with : "apt-get install ttf-*"
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10:19<azunyaa-roku>I know the names of the packages I don't want to install but not the command
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10:22<buffoon_work>azunyaa-roku, hmm, that's a little bit trickier. I don't know if it works but you can try to add the packeges to the lines with a minus. for example: apt-get install ttf-* ttf-donotinstall1- ttf-donotinstall2-
10:22<buffoon_work>if the names of the packages are ttf-donotinstall1 and ttf-donotinstall2
10:23<buffoon_work>but i'm not sure if that works
10:23<buffoon_work>otherwise simply let the install them and after they got installed do a apt-get --purge remove ttf-donotinstall1 ttf-donotinstall2
10:23<azunyaa-roku>I'll try thx
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10:26<azunyaa-roku>It's not working, I can't install all the ttf- two packages are in conflicts :(
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10:27<cthuluh>azunyaa-roku: cross-posting is considered as a bad practice, btw
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10:45<cjhmdm>what would be a good "regular" calculator app to install? LXDE doesn't seem to come with one installed (at least, I can't find it)
10:46<cjhmdm>lxde doesn't seem to install on by default I guess I should say
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10:46<SynrG>depends on what you mean by "regular". i tend to just use 'bc' in a terminal
10:46<SynrG>that's about as minimal as you can get
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10:47<thewanderer1>hi. Freenode once again seems to not be letting me in...
10:48<balin>Any comments on my question, reagrding random-key encryted lvm setup for swap and tmp?
10:48<cjhmdm>SynrG: that'll work, thanks
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10:48<SynrG>balin: silence usually indicates "no" (most people won't bother responding if they've read your question and don't know the answer ... it's not that nobody's listening)
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10:49<SynrG>you might have better luck on the debian-user mailing list?
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10:49<balin>SynrG: Ok. I'll ake it in the list. Is there an installer-dedicated one?
10:50<balin>SynrG: Thanks. ... and I guess cross-posting will get me killed ...
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10:51<balin>SynrG: Good bye beautiful world ;)
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10:58<Berliner>hello gys do u know some about magnifiers ,german LUPE , for kanotix linux
10:58<ottoshmidt>Berliner, do you run compiz?
10:58<thewanderer1>Berliner: this is a Debian channel, very few people know Kanotix... however try `xzoom`
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10:59<Berliner>is it possible to instal on debian? thx
10:59<thewanderer1>on Debian? yes, it's in the repos
11:00<thewanderer1>,info xzoom
11:00<judd>Package xzoom (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: magnify part of X display, with real-time updates. Version: 0.3-23; Size: 14.1k; Installed: 44k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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11:00<Berliner>xtoom wpks on debian?
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11:01<Berliner>xzoo works on debian ?
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11:02<f8l>Berliner: Install and try yourself. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be in repositories.
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11:03<Berliner>thx very much cu
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11:09<cjhmdm>hmm, I'm a bit confused.. I'm setting up a new server using the 5.08 amd business card iso that I've recently used for all of my other machines.. same iso, but on this server, it's prompting me to install lilo instead of grub. Any thoughts as to why?
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11:10<petemc>cjhmdm: using lvm ?
11:10<petemc>cjhmdm: also, you're aware that squeeze is now stable and lenny is old-stable?
11:11<thewanderer1>perhaps you used EFI+GPT? in this case it installs ELILO
11:11<cjhmdm>petemc: yes and yes.. but squeeze was just released and I've learned that's it's best to not use a brand new release in a production environment ><
11:11<petemc>cjhmdm: where did you learn that? debian is well tested
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11:12<cjhmdm>well, the differences between my servers are this one is on a 3ware raid 1 and using lvm.. so perhaps that's why.. I'm just not used to seeing that pop up ><
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11:12<cjhmdm>petemc: years of experience >< I'm not knocking the stability one bit but I like to play it as safe as possible ><
11:12<petemc>fair enough
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11:43<darklight>I have Debian 6.0 installed. Whenever I try to install an application, apt-get asks me to insert the Debian 6.0 CD. Why is this. How can I solve it?
11:44<bartm>darklight, do you use gnome?
11:44<darklight>bartm: yes.
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11:44<Stereo>darklight: you have the cdrom sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:44<bartm>darklight, System/Administration/Software Sources
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11:45<Stereo>what bartm said, or try apt-spy to find the official source that's best for you
11:45<darklight>There are 2 entries for cdrom in software sources, one is ticked.
11:46<Stereo>the other is probably for the source code
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11:47<darklight>Thanks, bartm, Stereo.
11:48<Stereo>darklight: if you want to edit them manually, since you seem to be in india, is probably ok
11:48<Stereo>so the line should be deb squeeze main contrib non-free
11:48<Stereo>then a line for security and another one for volatile, and you'll be fine
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11:49<bartm>Stereo, no more "volatile" in squeeze
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11:50<adb>!squeeze volatile
11:50<dpkg>The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>.
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11:52<kop>darklight: New to debian? You may find a helpful overview of the software available the may not be available by default.
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11:57<darklight>kop: Yes, new.
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11:59<darklight>I have one suggestion to the debian-boot team, Whenever there are more than one Debian mirrors, It should suggest the best depending on the speed.
12:00<darklight>I actually had a 0.8Mbps difference in speed between the 2 Debian mirrors that were listed.
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12:02<LotR>I always wondered why you can't download from more than one mirror simultaneously
12:02<bartm>LotR, in fact you can
12:03<LotR>oh, nice. where do I read up on that?
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12:04<bartm>LotR, I mean, you can manually start multiple downloads simultaneously from different mirrors (but I don't think that apt-get supports it)
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12:04<jhutchins>darklight: 1) That is irrelevant, 2) There are tools to do that - mirrorselect, apt-select, etc.
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12:05<darklight>jhutchins: What I mean is during installation.
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12:07<lamah>how can i remove that: numid=31,iface=MIXER,name='Software Master' from amixer?
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12:14<cjhmdm>is there an app for kvmoip client on squeeze? or is my best (only) option to use the java plugin for it?
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12:15<SynrG>i have no idea what kvmoip is, but if it's what it sounds like, i use synergy (no, nothing at all to do with my nick :)
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12:19<cjhmdm>(basically, it enables you to control a, in my case, server that's sitting in a datacenter as if it's right here in front of me.. so to speak
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12:20<cjhmdm>but, it's extremely slow, not sure if it's the particular brand my ISP uses, if it's java, or simply if it's my internet connection.. though I'd say it's not my internet ><
12:21<cjhmdm>and as it were, petemc: I don't seem to be able to install squeeze anyhow since trying to load the iso continues to reset my kvmoip console ><
12:21<SynrG>ah. well, synergy allows me to control the keyboard and display of another system over IP. sounds like the same sort of beast.
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12:22<cjhmdm>not at all
12:22<cjhmdm>with synergy, if you reboot the other pc, you can't access, the bios, for instance
12:22<SynrG>hence "same sort of" (same category :)
12:22<cjhmdm>you can't access and control the boot menu
12:23<SynrG>yeah. so not suitable for you
12:23<cjhmdm>et al.. nah, they're compeltely different :P
12:23<cjhmdm>kvmoip is more in line with being similar to some functions of IPMMI
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12:56<bartm>I get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.0" when trying to start xterm from within a chroot. Using "xhost +" doesn't help. Suggestions?
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12:58<AgentC>how can i install the kde cube-move effect for 3d-moving desktop screens?
12:59<Torsten_W>there is nothing to be installed
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12:59<Torsten_W>it's a internal function of kde
12:59<Torsten_W>it needs composite and 3d activated
12:59<AgentC>Torsten_W: i get message that is not possible to load the required effects.
12:59<Torsten_W>and what should i do?
13:00<retrospectacus>bartm, sounds normal, shouldn't the chroot *not* be able to access your system's X?
13:00<Torsten_W>i don't know your hardware, nor the used graphics driver
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13:02<bartm>retrospectacus, using "xhost +" solves the problem but I'd like to limit access to only processes from localhost
13:02<AgentC>Torsten_W: gfx is an intel chipset on board. dunno much about that gfx-hw-sys, for playstation 3D emu it's fast enough.
13:02<Torsten_W>glxinfo | grep -i render
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13:05<retrospectacus>bartm, don't know
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13:07<AgentC>Torsten_W: Xlib: extension GLX missing on display ":0.0" , couldnt find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig .... misconfiguration ?
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13:07<Torsten_W>AgentC, paste /var/log/X0rg-0.log on an pastebin
13:07<Torsten_W>AgentC, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log on an pastebin
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13:10<Torsten_W>AgentC, (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 195.36.31
13:10<Torsten_W>this is not intel
13:11<cahoot>bartm: missing .Xauthority?
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13:12<AgentC>Torsten_W: i think i installed a nvidia pack was needed for compiling something, what correct package it should be ? depends on the chipset hm?
13:13<Torsten_W>there is nothing, what depend on the nvidia
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13:13<Torsten_W>and i don't know, what nvidia crap you have installed
13:14<Torsten_W>it does not make many sense, installing nvidia driver, if there is no nvidia hardware
13:15<AgentC>Torsten_W: i deselected them in aptitude
13:15<bartm>cahoot, retrospectacus, found it: xhost +si:localuser:bartm
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13:22<retrospectacus>Antonela, please pound your keyboard elsewhere
13:22<retrospectacus>!es-social Antonela
13:22<dpkg>Antonela: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:24<retrospectacus>por favor tecleado /join #debian-es-cachondeo en la linea de chat
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13:26<Antonela>habla pareces mudo
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13:31<cjhmdm>I have a predominantly dumb question.. first, up until now I've stuck with netinstall images and downloaded necessary packages. I'd like to have a "full" copy though as my net is shaky at times. If I download the large dvd image, do I actually need to download all 8 of them?
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13:32<retrospectacus>cjhmdm: no, one is ok
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13:32<retrospectacus>but if you need some certain package that is on disc 2 then you need that or you won't have it
13:32<retrospectacus>everything essential will be on disk 1
13:32<cjhmdm>I see.. basically what I'm looking for is the minimum I'd neet for a standard desktop install
13:33<retrospectacus>haven't verified or anything but I think disk 1 will do it
13:33<cjhmdm>nothing extra.. just a base install with a desktop environment
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13:34<cjhmdm>also, would I actually need the dvd, or could I use the ~600mb cd instead?
13:34<cjhmdm>ahh, ok.. thanks for the info ^^
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13:35<retrospectacus>cjhmdm, not sure if CD1 would provide a desktop by itself. Probably!
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13:36<cjhmdm>retrospectacus: I'll try with the ~600mb kde disk and see what happens ><
13:36<retrospectacus>oh well if it's the "KDE disk" then it probably has KDE on it ;)
13:36<cjhmdm>maybe it's just a matter of not configuring apt mirrors during install (like I need to do when using netinstall)
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13:36<AgentC>is there something to add to default xorg.conf to have glx extension support ?
13:37<Torsten_W>you don't need a xorg.conf
13:37<cjhmdm>I'm torn though.. I like KDE 4... but I hate the menu lol
13:37<devil>AgentC: there is a default xorg.conf in squeeze?
13:37<retrospectacus>cjhmdm, well if you add network mirrors the installer will probably want to upgrade some things from 'net, which were shipped on the CD
13:38<cjhmdm>Torsten_W: that's not always the case.. for some reason, when I install non-free nvidia drivers on my workstation, I have to configure an xorg.conf
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13:38<Torsten_W>cjhmdm, and?
13:38<AgentC>devil: in my /etc/X11 there is! ;)
13:38<Torsten_W>cjhmdm, he has a intel graphic
13:38<devil>cjhmdm: just 1 stanza in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
13:38<devil>AgentC: in squeeze?
13:39<AgentC>devil: yea, was an upgrade lenny->squeeze
13:39<cjhmdm>Torsten_W devil: I stand corrected ><
13:39<devil>ah, ok. get rid i´of it :)
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13:40<AgentC>i added two lines to that xorg.conf and installed another package i dont know what it does, but when i now glxinfo typ, the the "missing errors" are away, only the message displayname 0.0 and the segmentation fault was also before
13:40<Torsten_W>remove the xorg.conf
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13:40<cjhmdm>retrospectacus: yeah, I thought as much.. I'll give the cd a try w/out configuring apt mirrors and see how it goes.. it's namely just a matter of being able to do other things while the packages download as opposed to watching the screen tell me "downloading file xx of x,xxx" for 2+ hours :P
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13:42<Torsten_W>AgentC, apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core to be sure is from x, not nvidia
13:42<AgentC>Torsten_W: no activity of mine, windowmanager crashed
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13:43<AgentC>Torsten_W: ok
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13:45<AgentC>Torsten_W: done, just a moment
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13:46<AgentC>Torsten_W: same result on glxinfo
13:46<Torsten_W>let's see
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13:47<Torsten_W>AgentC, dmesg | grep -i drm also helpfull
13:48<AgentC>Torsten_W: moment
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13:50<AgentC>Torsten_W: i renamed xorg.cong like you sad to someelse, result is :
13:50<AgentC>Torsten_W: dmesg :
13:51<Torsten_W>AgentC, dpkg -l | grep mesa
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13:52<danilao>buona seraaa ^^
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13:53<AgentC>Torsten_W: libgl1-mesa (-dev) (-dri) (-glx) libglu1-mesa libglu1-mesa-dev mesa-common-dev mesa-utils
13:53<AgentC>Torsten_W: 7.7.1-4
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13:54<Torsten_W>AgentC, libdrm-intel1 is installed?
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13:55<AgentC>Torsten_W: yep
13:55<AgentC>Torsten_W: but also libdrm-radeon1 , maybe a conflict ?
13:56<Torsten_W>the problem is EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
13:56<Torsten_W>never seen this on intel
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13:57<thewanderer1>this would fit the case of "something replaced your library"
13:57<AgentC>Torsten_W: with that xorg.conf the log is a little bit different, but in conf-file only all sections are setted to "default selection", so only including other configurations from somewhere else.
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13:59<AgentC>thewanderer1: dunno, i try a reinstall libdrm-intel1
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13:59<Torsten_W>thewanderer1, that wouls i say too
13:59<Torsten_W>but i don't know, which
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14:00<thewanderer1>yeah, those messages are anti-informative :P
14:00<Torsten_W>AgentC, i would even reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
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14:01<AgentC>Torsten_W: how do i do with aptitude for all depencies libgl1 requires are reinstalled?
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14:01<Torsten_W>AgentC, i don't use aptitude
14:01<AgentC>i mean apt-get
14:01<Torsten_W>AgentC, in apt. it would be apt-get --reinstall install foo
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14:03<AgentC>ok, i did, kde saying me alle the time there are 18 updates avail
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14:05<AgentC>same prob after xorg restart
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14:06<zmullin>hello everyone
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14:07<zmullin>where is everyone?
14:07<AgentC>Torsten_W: i mean, kde as so far is running, but the wanted effect for desktop switching is missing : ; when i try to use cube for deskselecting then i only get a screen with 1/4 sized screenshots
14:07<jhutchins2>AgentC: You might try aptitude, it resolves dependencies better.
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14:10<AgentC>jhutchins2: i can tell you how to code multiple frambuffer layer scaled with transparency on 2D graphic boards using assembler and ANSI-C with direct access to the VGA card, but i didnt noticed how 3D accels really work inside i was dreaming/sleeping too much in life.
14:11<AgentC>jhutchins2: so cannot know where's the prob is and so cames on that i cannot fixit without help.
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14:12<AgentC>jhutchins2: in my lib i did a simple 2d multilayer gfx-engine with sprite-support, ( but that's as old tech so nobody could use that anymore in case of hardware changed to something better :)
14:13<AgentC>jhutchins2: in other words, a simple giana sisters is codes within 1 week by me, but how get this 3D stuff to run, i have to learn much much....
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14:15*AgentC was infineon coder in 2001 - security engineering center
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14:15*AgentC 's life crashed in 2002
14:16<AgentC>sorry, uninteressting what was, more intressting whats going on
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14:19<jthill>in bash, will someone please try
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14:19<jthill>$ sandbox () { true; }
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14:20<tjader>jthill: and?
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14:20<jthill>it seems to me sandbox is some kind of bash keyword
14:20<AgentC>Torsten_W: after reinstall that libs, same prob at glxinfo, log seems to be identical :
14:20<jthill>try it
14:20<tjader>jthill: worked fine here
14:20<jthill>it took it, no complaints?
14:20<Torsten_W>AgentC, i can't help you, as i sayed before, i have never seen this with intel
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14:21<jthill>k, something that isn't showing in -x mode ... erm. alias.
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14:22<amakusa>I've a question, isn't wheezy supposed to be labeled as 7.0 now?
14:22<AgentC>jthill: <wiki> In computer security, a sandbox is a security mechanism for separating running programs. It is often used to execute untested code, or untrusted programs from unverified third-parties, suppliers and untrusted users.
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14:22<jthill>AgentC: thanks.
14:23<AgentC>Torsten_W: do you really think, it depends on glx that this 3d effekt of kde does not work?
14:23<Torsten_W>no glx, no 3d effects
14:23<AgentC>hm. :-/
14:24<jthill>oh. not a bot. sorry.
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14:26<AgentC>jthill: me a bot ? I don't think so ;) my DNA-programmer gaves me a soul 33 years ago ;)
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14:27<devil>amakusa: why should it be 7?
14:28<amakusa>devil, since it's predecessor squeeze is 6.0
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14:29<devil>amakusa: oh, sry, i misread. yeah, will be 7
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14:30<witte>devil: are you sure, they did not always follow that counting system...
14:30<AgentC>jthill: if you want to understand encryption, it might be a good idea to read first specifications of DES, RSA, AES and PKCS, these algo's can be transfered to mostly any application. there are some algo's out which are not as far known by the public. maybe U know about elyptic curves, thats really cruel to understand, some less public known algos are much harder.
14:30<devil>witte: i think, in the very beginning not always
14:30<dpkg>Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>.
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14:31<devil>witte: ok, it is to be expected that wheezy will turn into debian 7.0 :)
14:32<devil>amakusa: why are you asking?
14:32<witte>yeah, probably, I believe sarge was also a 3.1 release, but the latest versions have been counting normally :-)
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14:34<robjo>wnat is the package cgroup-bin?
14:34<amakusa>devil, because when I go to, I expect to see installers for wheezy wich is testing, but instead I find 6.0 and the supposed wheezy installers are actually squeeze once I install them
14:35<devil>amakusa: erm, i cant answer that, i run a derivate.
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14:36<witte>amakusa: i think the installer for wheezy is not ready (usually one of the last things to be finalized), however, using the installer for squeeze, you can install also other versions of debian...
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14:37<witte>amakusa: if you want to know more on the installer, ask #debian-boot
14:37<Bloodrinker>hi all. it's chat?
14:37<amakusa>witte, that's what I did, but I still need to ask because it's misleading
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14:38<robjo>Bloodrinker: yep
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14:38<Bloodrinker> but, why
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14:40<Bloodrinker>òóò ðóññêèå åñòü?)) âîïðîñ ïî äåáèàíó åñòü
14:40<amphi>Bloodrinker: is that meant to be cyrillic? ;)
14:41<kop>Bloodrinker: It's debian _support_. And it's in english here. You can speak other languages in other debian channels.
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14:42<Bloodrinker>yes, my english very bed))) i'm russian...
14:42<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
14:43<Bloodrinker>oh, thx.)
14:43<ompaul>Bloodrinker: because restriction you don't an infinite space - and please keep it in english
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14:44<Bloodrinker>ok, thx...
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14:59<jthill>robjo: were you the "robbjo" who clued me in to gallium being part of mesa a while ago? if so, thanks!
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15:07<AgentC>Torsten_W: i found out that a package named frglrx (ATI kernel driver) was installed. now glxinfo shows exact API information and some effects working better, but the 3D cube design does not work anymore, instead the winmanager hangs on some actions.
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15:07<Torsten_W>why, to hell, you install fglrx on a intel system?
15:08<Torsten_W>i would put this system to waste
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15:10<AgentC>Torsten_W: dont know why, i deinstalled that, as i sad i wanted to compile a ps2 emu in past, some of that libs was required, and i think i didnt known what i am doing there. i am learning :) since yesterday i used gnome, never had probs, now it seems to work but crashes sometimes in case of using effects (when trying to call the settings-dialog)
15:11<AgentC>Torsten_W: thats my first time i try to setup kde. last version of kde I saw was in 1998
15:11<Torsten_W>never ever are there depends on non-free binary blob libs
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15:11<AgentC>Torsten_W: and in 1998 there was not kde - kde ... ;)
15:12<AgentC>Torsten_W: effects like wobbling windows, trancparancy works, but it isnt stable
15:13<Torsten_W>there is nothing, i can do
15:13<AgentC>Torsten_W: but ok, the 3d accel works
15:13<Torsten_W>i don't use kde, and also will not
15:14<devil>in kde 4.5.x all effects are stable (intel and nvidia)
15:14<AgentC>hm, i think ... malconfiguration out of my mistakes.
15:15<AgentC>but i dont know want went wrong, most is installed as standard debian squeeze upgrade
15:15<devil>that is 4.4.x, right?
15:16<devil>i heard that there is quite a few flaky plasmoids out there though
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15:19<AgentC>that version of the new squeeze upgrade pack , 4.4 may be, when i press the (i) info button on an effect, it crashes and returns to the login prompt
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15:20<devil>AgentC: you will probably have better chances in #debian-kde
15:20<AgentC>devil: :) ok i'll try
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15:21<ShockDoc>hello everybody
15:22<ShockDoc>anyone here? :
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15:23<ShockDoc>awfully quiet in here
15:23<ShockDoc>I'm having an issue with debian 6.0
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15:23<ShockDoc>I want to remove stuff via the software center, but when I click remove, nothing happens :/
15:24<ShockDoc>anyone experienced something similar?
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15:24<paolo>I need absolutely know how to correctly install mysql 5.5 on DEBIAN 6.0
15:24<devil>ShockDoc: software center?
15:24<paolo>can one know help me?
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15:25<ShockDoc>yes devil, software center
15:25<devil>ShockDoc: is that the ubuntu thingie?
15:25<ShockDoc>no, it's included in debian 6.0
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15:25<paolo>oh... I think ShockDoc is talking about ubuntu... i'm not sure
15:25<ShockDoc>under system - administration
15:25<ShockDoc>no.. Debian :p
15:26<paolo>uhm... boh!
15:26<devil>paolo: apt-cach search mysql, then apt-get install <package1 packkage2...> what you need
15:26<devil>ShockDoc: never seen it in debian
15:26<ShockDoc>do you have 6.0 installed?
15:26<devil>ShockDoc: apt-get purge <package>
15:26<sahko>devil: its there in squeeze, dont ask me why
15:27<devil>ShockDoc: no, i run sid since ages
15:27<paolo>no... It's for job... a test job to enter inside...
15:27<devil>sahko: argh
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15:27<paolo>but mysql 5.5 isn't ok for debian, i think
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15:28<devil>paolo: i have 5.1.55-1
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15:28<paolo>I havent't find nothing about mysql 5.5 in debian
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15:29<ShockDoc>I want to remove gnome-games
15:29<devil>paolo: as i said, unstable has 5.1.55-1, so tghats latest in debian
15:29<ShockDoc>debian wants to remove gnome
15:29<dpkg>i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
15:30<sahko>ShockDoc: i was wondering about such stuff my self earlier. basically gnome is a metapackage
15:30<devil>ShockDoc: because gnome-gaes is probably a metapackage
15:30<sahko>i wonder if its safe to remove
15:30<sahko>it depends on virtually everything on the menus
15:30<ShockDoc>I think I must have one something wrong with my repositories
15:31<ShockDoc>where is that file that contains the repo information again?
15:31<sahko> /etc/apt/sources.list ?
15:31<ShockDoc>thank you :)
15:31<ShockDoc>I'll have a look at that
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15:34<ShockDoc>[ XOFF ignored, mumble mumble ]
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15:34<ShockDoc>what the hell nano? :p
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15:37<bartm>I used ffmpeg and v4lctl on lenny for tv recording. Now on squeeze I have no more sound. Ideas?
15:37<bartm>tvtime works fine
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15:40<MrFrood>bartm: have you opened up alsamixer to check the audio settings?
15:41<bartm>MrFrood, doing that now...
15:43<jthomas>My CUPS web GUI is hanging when I try to add a printer, any ideas anyone? CUPS 1.4.4 on Squeeze
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15:46<bartm>MrFrood, no luck
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15:47<MrFrood>you have checked that you are still in the audio group
15:47<witte>jthomas: have a look in /var/log/cups for errors
15:48<MrFrood>(my group permissions were changed when i upgraded to wheezy)
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15:48<bartm>MrFrood, in audio group ok
15:48<MrFrood>other than that I have not a clue
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15:49<sahko>i have an issue with sound as well. changing the pcm volume has absolutely no affect on the sound volume. very weird
15:50<jthomas>witte i have and the error_log is referencing a printer that isn't in printers/conf but otherwise, i don't see anything. lemme dig more for that printer
15:51*jthomas hates the whole PCM thing and how its like a hidden volume control
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15:54<sahko>hmm it only seems to happen with mpd
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15:55<sahko>maybe cause i havent edited the config file yet
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15:57<sahko>though config file seems fine, wonder if its cause it uses alsa instead of pulseaudio. the latter is known to take over everything having to do with sound if present
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16:02<ErRandir>trying to do a dist-upgrade I've hit apt-get bug#177952. Just installing apt looks too scary (53 packages removed, some important ones). Is locally rebuilding apt-get an option?
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16:04*MrFrood is so happy that he uses aptitude
16:04<devil>ErRandir: you are aware, that bug is 8 years old?
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16:05<devil>ErRandir: and installing apt should not remove anything important
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16:05<devil>ErRandir: is that squeeze?
16:05<devil>or sid?
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16:08<ompaul>ErRandir: what version are you dist-upgrading from?
16:08<Revan199>does somebody know what happend with ?
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16:08<ompaul>ErRandir: also a dist-upgrade has to upgrade things that means getting rid of old stuff
16:10<devil>ErRandir: please pastebin the complete output of apt when dist-upgrading
16:11<ErRandir>my current apt version is Yes going to sqeeze
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16:13<devil>well, please paste the output and tell us how it is related to an 8 year old wishlist bug
16:13<spridarn>hello! I installed debian yesterday and make my raid for my storagedrive today and made a reboot 1 hour ago but the system not start up, got this
16:14<spridarn>anyone who knows the problem?
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16:15<ErRandir>this debian install is only 13 years old folks. Debian rules, right? :)
16:15<Revan199>spridarn: do you try to do e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/md2 ?
16:16<spridarn>Revan199: yes same problem
16:17<Revan199>spridarn: maybe e2fsck -fD /dev/md2 ?
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16:17<devil>ErRandir: 13 years is awesome. the output is quite ok imho. what removed packages are important to you?
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16:18<Revan199>ErRandir: what tells aptitude?
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16:18<ompaul>Revan199: see the pastebin
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16:18<devil>well, thats apt
16:18<Revan199>ompaul: there is apt-get
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16:19<ompaul>there is that
16:20<Revan199>aptitude will tell some depencity problems
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16:26<jthomas>witte and anyone else who may be interested: CUPS 1.4.4 web interface doesn't work well with Webkit and IE browsers:
16:26<ErRandir>On the rmoval it's mostly xulrunner (use by iceweasel) and libxaw (used by my window manager).
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16:26<ErRandir>For the new stuff it tries to add udev, which is a no no for me
16:26<dreamer000>xulrunner will be replacred by 1.9.1, so 1.9 will be removed
16:27<jthomas>ErRandir can't you remove that later?
16:28<ompaul>ErRandir: why are you so against udev?
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16:33<bluenemo>guys i want to build those blue menu things via bash script, but i dont get the word those things are called :) what should i google for?
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16:33<ompaul>bluenemo: you mean dialog ?
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16:33<ompaul>bluenemo: you might want to install dialog
16:34<ompaul>by name and nature
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16:34<bluenemo>something like the debian installer in cli.. is that dialog?
16:34<sahko>yes, dialog
16:34<ErRandir>if udev is considered essential, presumably a lot will depend on it. Which means downgrade it all somehow. I'd rather not install it in the first place. Fixing a broken system is not that easy
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16:35<daemonkeeper>Or debconf in particular, when related to packaging works.
16:35<bluenemo>ompaul, sahko ah cool thank you ! :)
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16:35<ompaul>ErRandir: eh, udev works, you may have to change the way you work a little, but it works well
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16:36<devil>ErRandir: udev is one of the parts of my system that gives the least headaches.
16:36<ErRandir>ahh yes I missed xulrunner-1.9.1. that should be ok then
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16:44<AgentC>since squeeze i cant shutdown xwin with ctrl-alt-backspace. is it possible to reconfig for that purpose?
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16:45<sahko>AgentC: yes, look at the keyboard preferences
16:46<sahko>if you dont have a desktop environment loaded its trickier
16:46<ompaul>Section "ServerFlags"
16:46<ompaul> Option "DontZap" "No"
16:46<sahko>that only works for a without hal config iirc
16:47<sahko>you have to edit xml otherwise
16:47<sahko>without hal == without input hotplugging
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16:49<devil>AgentC: you can also edit .bashrc and add setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp to the end of the file.
16:49<devil>AgentC: or dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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16:53<AgentC>devil: thanx
16:54<sahko>does the xorg-server in squeeze actually use hal? the 1.7.7 version indicates it does but im not so sure
16:54<Arrowmaster>it shouldnt
16:55<Arrowmaster>i dont think hal should even be installed by default in squeeze
16:55<sahko>xserver-xorg-core doesnt depend on hal, so theres probably backported stuff from the 1.8 series and later
16:55<sahko>Arrowmaster: its not, just libhal1
16:55<thewanderer1>I think it can use hal but does not by default...
16:56<Arrowmaster>well hal is deprecated
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16:56<thewanderer1>but doesn't Squeeze install it by default?
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16:57<sahko>nope, at least not with gnome, kde version in should still make full use of it
16:57<sahko>and xfce as well
16:57<thewanderer1>oh, ok. I always remove hal, perhaps that's why I don't get my devices automounted...
16:58<thewanderer1>cause it breaks detecting some pendrives :P
16:58<devil>thewanderer1: kde still wants hal (iirc 4.6 does not)
16:58<sahko>thats correct
16:58<thewanderer1>ok... right now I taught my sister to use pmount so it's not that bad :P
16:59<devil>pmount is nice.
16:59<sahko>pmount depends on hal too :P
16:59<thewanderer1>oh does it?
16:59<sahko>for the pmount-hal wrapper only though:)
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17:00<devil>depends on libhal1
17:00<devil>recommends hal
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17:01<scotd>were there any changes to /etc/network/interfaces in squeeze? my virtual nic isn't working
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17:01<thewanderer1>no changes
17:01<thewanderer1>what kind of "virtual nic"?
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17:02<retrospectacus>the networking script in /etc/init.d was deprecated I belive, you are supposed to use ifup and ifdown now
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17:02<thewanderer1>or ip :)
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17:07<Habstinat>Just successfully booted Squeeze from my PS3, but I think I need a driver to get Ethernet working. Can anyone help me troubleshoot?
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17:09<adb>Habstinat, it's a FAT , <=3.15 firmware ?
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17:10<Habstinat>adb: FAT, 3.55 firmware. I used AsbestOS to get it working.
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17:11<adb>Habstinat, ah, try #asbestos on
17:11<Habstinat>adb: Thanks.
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17:16<scotd>trying to setup eth3:1
17:16<scotd>retrospectacus: thanks
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17:35<julinux>Good Evening Hacker's
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17:35<retrospectacus>buenos noches ju
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17:36<sahko>does anyone use fcron instead of anacron?
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17:38<AgentC>in bash to exec two commands automatic how to do ? : cmd1 & cmd2 ???
17:38<devil>or ;
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17:39<AgentC>devil: is apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown -r now enough ?
17:39<sahko>thewanderer1: is it safe to replace? i mean will fcron work out of the box like anacron does?
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17:39<devil>AgentC: rather not in this case
17:39<thewanderer1>sahko: yes
17:40<devil>AgentC: apt-get dist-upgrade -y && shutdown -r now should do
17:40<thewanderer1>actually, doesn't anacron use the regular cron daemon on the backend?
17:40<sahko>great, now that grub is gone, i shall start replacing other stuff as wll
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17:40<AgentC>devil: i'll do, and i think about using normal user instead of root-account ;)
17:40<sahko>hmm i dont know tbh, im quite new into debian and debian based systems in general
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17:41<devil>AgentC: dont think about it, just STOP logging into X as root!
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17:41<thewanderer1>or deprive root of all capabilities when starting X
17:41<thewanderer1>you still run as root but you are safe - you have just multiplied the cookie!
17:42<AgentC>devil could you check my sources.list shortly to be sure that's ok ?
17:42<devil>AgentC: better ask someone that uses squeeze
17:42<scotd>I'm seeing "SIOCADDRT: File exists \n Failed to bring up eth2" when restarting the network. If I remove the "gateway" line from /etc/network/interfaces, then the error message goes away, but I can't reach the internet. Anyone know the right way to do this?
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17:43<thewanderer1>scotd: bring the network down, add the entry, bring it up again
17:43<AgentC>devil: dist-upgrade initialized.
17:43<thewanderer1>also, you may have only 1 gateway address
17:44*AgentC feels so sad that all running so shit as it was wanted as good. :-((((
17:44<scotd>thewanderer1: it will be colocated... i guess i could do a script with sed
17:45<devil>AgentC: i woulod not want an automatik shutdown after a dist-upgrade. i always make sure the dist-upgrade succeeded. if it did not, reboot might be fatal.
17:45<scotd>oh wow, i'm slow... if i do "sudo ifdown eth2; sudo ifup eth2" with the gateway line included, it works!!!
17:45<thewanderer1>heh :P
17:46<sahko>damn, theres no noclobber in the default profile
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17:47<AgentC>devil: yea, i didnt add the shutdown behind that. - reboot takes only 20 sec. and so i can see later what went wrong if so. as long as i dont reboot with an error, apache2 cont. too run, if not server is away.
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17:47<AgentC>devil: hey, download phase is over on distupgrade. it's unpacking/preparing. faster then i thinked about
17:48<AgentC>devil: finished. that was it ? (no error message)
17:48<devil>AgentC: apt-get -f install
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17:48<AgentC>devil: 0/0/0
17:49<devil>fine then
17:49<AgentC>devil: is apt-get checking md5 sums for comparing changed packages ?
17:50<AgentC>reboot ?
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17:51<sahko>trying to remove anacron says that update-notifier recommends anacron. is it safe to remove it then?
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17:54<jhutchins2>sahko: Recommends are optional.
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17:55<sahko>i think aptitude install fcron '~nanacron' didnt purge the anacron configuration files
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17:55<sahko>got a nasty message about it
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17:56<ccg->hi, after upgrade from lenny to squeeze cant change resolution in youtube, tried different versions of flashplugin-nonfree, any ideas ?
17:58<jhutchins2>ccg-: What graphics? Which driver is it using?
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18:04<sahko>hmm weird, fcron has a /usr/sbin/anacron file
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18:11<sahko>hmmm i deleted files purge wouldnt have deleted, like /etc/init.d/anacron
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18:29<sahko>at least judging by the postrm file in the deb
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18:33<AgentC>is there any kde chat forum on a some irc server where to get real help in that problem ?
18:34<bja>AgentC: kde's web site should have link to it
18:36<jhutchins2>sahko: Sometimes alternative programs drop files where the standard program would have them so that other programs won't freak out.
18:36<jhutchins2>sahko: For instance just about every mailer has a way to emulate sendmail for all the utilities that expect it.
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18:37<sahko>jhutchins2: indeed
18:38<sahko>btw in unless im mistaking it says that you should be able to choose fcron from installation. isnt tasksel the dialogue you choose to install a desktop environment, laptop, servers etc, or i have to use the more advanced options?
18:38<sahko> do that?
18:39<sahko>also does the same thing apply to mta's?
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18:41<jhutchins2>sahko: That would probably be an advanced/expert install, and I don't remember if the D-I has a "select individual packages", but I would expect to need that too.
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18:42<sahko>ok thanks:)
18:42<AgentC>- /freenode -> 2 users ... ;-)
18:42<bja>jhutchins2: i remember on sarge there was something where you could select individual packages i have never seen it after that
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18:49<bja>!tell Lando about es
18:50<Lando>no hay nadieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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19:01<mallards>any ideas on this one "Temporary failure resolving ''"
19:02<dpkg>Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
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19:02<mallards>noticed that "host" is returning some ipv6 addresses ---- which is odd since i have ipv6 disabled
19:03<bja>mallards: dig
19:04<mallards>this is for lenny btw
19:04<FCdll>in order to install/use BitlBee i checked this document
19:04<FCdll>But i faced a problem n the third part of the document; 3"Connect to BitlBee"
19:04<FCdll>this is what i get
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19:05<mallards>bja: that dig command just returns the same thing as host minus the ipv6 addresses and the mail address
19:06<bja>mallards: pick some public dns server and dig through it it might be something with your current dns servers
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19:07<bja>on this end i get
19:07<mallards>bja: its been happening for a couple of weeks - googles dns returns the same
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19:07<mallards> 243 IN A
19:07<mallards> 243 IN A
19:07<mallards> 243 IN A
19:07<mallards> 243 IN A - same here
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19:08<mallards>sorry about that
19:08<mallards>didnt realize i had so much in my clipboard
19:08<bja>mallards: it might be your current dns that is fubar
19:08<amphi>mallards: that's one of the addresses I get
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19:12<jhutchins2>No such results here.
19:13<jhutchins2>I get three A records including the
19:13<ErRandir>progress. Now have the updated apt. dist-upgrade now wants to remove the X windows server. How can I figure out why?
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19:14<jhutchins2>mallards: Do you have ipv6 set up?
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19:14<mallards>jhutchins2: no, i have it disabled
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19:15<ErRandir>when is that ipv6 trial taking place?
19:16<mallards>hmm its also taking a while to resolve on my mac
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19:16<mallards>maybe the router is having trouble
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19:16<ErRandir>try the -4 option on dig
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19:17<mallards>thx for the help, i dont think its related to debian
19:17<mallards>i think there is a problem at a higher level
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19:18<bja>mallards: :08 < bja> mallards: it might be your current dns that is fubar
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19:19<FCdll>in order to install/use BitlBee i checked this document
19:19<FCdll>But i faced a problem n the third part of the document; 3"Connect to BitlBee"
19:19<FCdll> i get Hi
19:19<FCdll>in order to install/use BitlBee i checked this document
19:19<FCdll>But i faced a problem n the third part of the document; 3"Connect to BitlBee"
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19:22<bja>!tell FCdll about paste
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19:25<ErRandir>dist-upgrade to sqeeze wants to remove the X windows server. How can I figure out why?
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19:28<devil>ErRandir: that should not happen anymore. did you do a apt-get update up front?
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19:29<devil>we had this in unstable right after the freeze was lifted on sunday
19:29<themill>FCdll: (a) stop pasting here (b) #ubuntu is on
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19:37<zmullin>um, where could I find a fun IRC chat
19:37<zmullin>this is all tech stuff
19:37<zmullin>i need cheering up
19:37<dondelelcaro>zmullin: there are other irc servers that do that; try efnet.
19:37<themill>zmullin: #moocows
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19:46<ErRandir>devil: yes did that. It updated a bunch of packages, held back all the X ones
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19:47<ErRandir>hmm I did the update yesterday. Should have those updates then. Maybe I'll run it again just in case my mirror is out of date
19:49<devil>gotta run.
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19:57<FCdll> /msg dpkg Hi
19:57<FCdll>in order to install/use BitlBee i checked this document
19:57<FCdll>But i faced a problem n the third part of the document; 3"Connect to BitlBee"
19:57<FCdll>this is what i get
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19:58<retrospectacus>wtf is wrong with people
19:58<sahko>too much free time
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19:58<retrospectacus>who uses facebook as a pastebin
19:59*retrospectacus need to pack a bowl
20:05<Martian67>ope, now with 100% more lockdown and signed bootloaders!
20:05<Martian67>curtosey of google
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20:11<reklipz>My PC doesn't wake from suspend via USB. I remember looking into this once a while ago, and it involved changing some attribute on a PCI bus (I don't think I went all the way to the device on the bus, i.e. the USB controller, or even further to a USB device, but it's possible), but it wasn't a persistent solution. Does anyone know how I can achieve this?
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20:19<ErRandir>some PCI cards use MSI for interrupts. That wont wake up the PC I guess, not sure.
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21:05<global_>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ac8:3450 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp.
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21:06<global_>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ac8:3450 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp.
21:08<global_>Webcam drivers?
21:08<amphi>judd: pciid 0ac8:3450
21:08<judd>[0ac8:3450] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
21:09<amphi>oh, it's usb
21:09<global_>Also, cheese gives a seg falu
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21:10<global_>'Segmentation fault
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21:14*amphi has never had a webcam
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21:16<global_>I need it to take pictures of rabbits and monkeys
21:16<global_>in india
21:16<daemonkeeper>This is what porn-production is called today?
21:17<global_>I work with mc. donalds
21:17<global_>No, i just like monkeys. Especially living with them in trpical rain forrests.
21:17<global_>I also like to stream this in 1080p for other tropical weed smokers.
21:18<global_>Regardless, why does cheese seg fault?
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21:24<global_>I cannot believe this
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21:24<global_>the monkeys are building a tree house, after smoking a large amount of weed banana joints
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21:31<AgentC>when an openGL-screensaver works, but KDE 3D-effects dont, sounds that like a driver/hardware problem ?
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21:35<global_>What kind of effects?
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21:36<AgentC>global_: kde crashs in case of its plasma effects (may also other reasons), but openGL screensavers running perfect in testmode
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21:37<global_>Well, many things could go wrong. Today we will talk about the indica-hybrid specifically though.
21:37<AgentC>global_: i mean the cube-effect of kde, which i really like (sawed in video) but all the kde system is as unstable that is unusable.
21:37<global_>sawed ?
21:37<AgentC>global_: saw'...
21:37<global_>I saw it in a video.
21:38<global_>What video card my brother?
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21:38<AgentC>intel i915 chipset onboard in HP compaq
21:38<AgentC>i mean this 3d desktop effect like in this video :
21:39<global_>Not gonna watch it.
21:39<global_>Is xorg, and everything all good?
21:39<AgentC>do you have that running on sys ?
21:40<AgentC>xorg is running, before with gnome perfectly as i know, but kde have probs
21:40<global_>No, i use compiz and a very special desktop called 'wakeUP'
21:40<global_>you press the up key, and it gives you a shell
21:40<global_>that is all
21:41<global_>Ok, so what does it give you? Does it crash, or explode? throw any errors?
21:42<AgentC>when i select something have to do with these effects, let it be a config or app which made use of it, it crashes and xorg gets to start at loginprompt again.
21:42<AgentC>dont know kde winmanager or xorg crashs, there are no messages i can see
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21:43<global_>For example, if i press up and type 'mkpc firefox' i get firefox with a really cool genie effect.
21:43<global_>If you were to do this, would it crash at the effect?
21:43<global_>Replace 'genie' with whatever effect you use.
21:44<AgentC>shall i type in a term? : mkpc firefox ?
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21:44<global_>Replace 'mkpc firefox' with 'clicking on menu'
21:44<global_>or whatever
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21:45<AgentC>global_: there is no mkpc installed on mysys.
21:45<global_>type 'cat ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinr'
21:45*global_ gives humanity another chance
21:45<global_>and copy the output into
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21:46<AgentC>can you tell me a choice to check GL and (glx) for its functionally in case of drivers and API ? so i could check out where the error is located. take a look to the video , so you will know what i like to do :-)
21:47<AgentC>there is no .kde4 config dir in my root directory (dont talk me about root~~user ;) i know)
21:48<global_>That i don't care about
21:48<global_>kde should be logged in via a normal user
21:48<global_>if it is not, than i will not help you.
21:48<AgentC>ok, access from outside is closed, cause NAT/firewall
21:49<global_>This matters how?
21:49<AgentC>and i like to have complete access to my fileserver
21:49<AgentC>thats why root, but that should not be the prob
21:49<AgentC>glxinfo gives an normal output
21:49*global_ goes to a bridhe
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21:49<AgentC>moment, wait
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21:50<global_>we are communicating on a level about glx, and 3d graphic support
21:50<global_>not iptables, routers, networking
21:50<global_>when did i ask for this?
21:50*global_ looks into the nonexistence of this
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21:51<dandersson>If one has done a package for a non-maintainer upload, is the correct procedure to contact the package maintainer via email and send the .debian.tar.gz file?
21:52<global_>glxinfo | grep direct
21:52<global_>you are enabled
21:52<global_>i asked you for 'glxgears'
21:52<global_>please let it run, and post the output
21:53<AgentC>hm, when i start it, there are three wheels rotating. red green blue
21:53<global_>rather 'glxgears -info' sorry
21:53<dandersson>Ah, the concept of NMU:s are probably not really what I mean. I'll just contact the maintainer with my work. Don't mind me :-)
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21:53<global_>Can you do that...
21:54<global_>Press ctrl-c to cancel or click the x
21:54<AgentC>just a sec
21:54<global_>GL_VENDOR = ATI Technologies Inc
21:55<global_>I don't use my webcam much anyway
21:55<global_>i was gonna use it to watch my cat
21:55<AgentC>the piped output is not that what saved in the outputfile, sorry, there was a couple of libs on screen, but this is the output :
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21:55<AgentC>dandersson: who are you? what telling you about?
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21:56<global_>You have 3d support
21:56<global_>however, i am unsure of kde
21:56<global_>type 'cat ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinr'
21:57<global_>type 'cat /home/YOURUSERNAMEFORx/.kde4/share/config/kwinr'
21:57<global_>if you do not have kde4, replace that part
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21:58<AgentC>no such file, not a dir .kde4 only .kde, and in share/config is nor kwinr only a kwin
21:58<AgentC>(+ .eventsrc and rc)
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22:12<Jou>Quick question after dist-upgrade to squeeze about "dash" instead of "bash" - echo -e "blah\nblah\n" is different in bash and dash, dash echoes the "-e" to the output instead of interpreting it - by design or a dash bug?
22:13<daemonkeeper>Its a feature
22:13<Jou>another difference is if.. In bash: if [ "" == "whatever" ] is handled differently too, OK in bash, not OK in dash..
22:14<daemonkeeper>dash interprets escapes even without -e. To make sure, use GNU echo
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22:16<Jou>daemonkeeper: so the echo behaviour is by design.... You can guess my opinion about that : ). Thanks for the info.
22:16<daemonkeeper>Jou: Well, you are not the first one to run into this problem. Feel free to change sh back to bash if you want
22:16<daemonkeeper>(or whatever you prefer)
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22:17<Jou>daemonkeeper: I did change it back..
22:18<Jou>As soon as I knew why my scripts fail mysteriousely, but it took me about 30 minutes to remember the dash/bash thing.
22:18<Jou> is still alive too *g* had to delete manually .. again..
22:19<daemonkeeper>On the other hand its good, this blames you for your bashisms, you try to sell as "sh"
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22:20<Jou>daemonkeeper: it simply tells me: "do #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh if you rely on that syntax"..
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22:20<daemonkeeper>You are surely glad to hear, this changes in sid again.
22:22<Jou>daemonkeeper: : I already know *g*, maybe the script should check all known possible places
22:23<Jou>daemonkeeper: : Thanks for the quick echo answer. Time to go to sleep,, GMT +1 timezone...
22:23<daemonkeeper>I am as well
22:23<daemonkeeper>Thank you for reminding me :p
22:23<Jou>bye !
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23:36<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
23:37<sney>flubox: when you want a factoid for your own personal use, you can also /msg dpkg keyword
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