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---Logopened Tue Feb 15 00:00:05 2011
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00:05<kop>heinzes: Did you check the bug tracking system? If not you might file one and get an answer.
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00:16<heinzes>kop: haven't thought about that. will check, thanks!
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00:17<theocrite>Ok, so now, it boots slowly (it still takes a while before starting md1). But when I plug a new disk, it won't boot anymore. It just displays the bios and then a blinking underscore with no further informations.
00:18<theocrite>What can I do? How is that possible that I can't add disks safetly? This souldn't even be able to confuse my system.
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00:20<bones_was_here>sounds like your bios is trying to boot from the new disk, which being new won't have a bootloader (or even a partition table) instead of the ones you already have
00:20<bones_was_here>some bios's put newly added disks at the top of the boot priority, just to be annoying
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00:20<theocrite>I didn't see this last time. I'll check again. Thanks
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00:22<bones_was_here>if your system can hotplug (anything with sata 3gb/s or better should be able to) maybe add disks while the system is running and partition, install boot loader before the next reboot to avoid hassle
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00:24<theocrite>bones_was_here: you were right. What I thought was just a display was actually an ordered list. Thanks a lot.
00:25<theocrite>Now if anyone had a hint to share on where/what I should investigate to prevent waiting a long time before starting the RAID (is there something timeouting?), I would be really gratefull.
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00:30<bones_was_here>theocrite: not sure about the slow start, my systems all reliably start their arrays pretty much immediately. Are there any complaint/warning messages that look relevant? is the delay always about the same length?
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00:33<theocrite>bones_was_here: unfortunately, no warning or error messages whatsoever. That's why I'm clueless.
00:34<theocrite>And yes pretty much the same length. (I didn't check with a timer though)
00:34<bones_was_here>if you have the 'quiet' flag in your kernel parameters, maybe try taking it out to see if anything useful is displayed
00:34<bones_was_here>you can do one-off changes like that directly from the grub prompt, without editing the config
00:35<theocrite>Sure I'll try this.
00:35<theocrite>Not sure if I should let fsck finish checking the fs first.
00:35<theocrite>It could take hours.
00:35<bones_was_here>ah... i'd let it finish :p
00:36<theocrite>Ok, I'll follow your advice.
00:36<bones_was_here>does the array perform decently once the system has started?
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00:36<theocrite>But that's hard, letting this check do it's job for hours while being uncertain of the result. That's a nice suspens.
00:37<theocrite>bones_was_here: as far as I can tell yes. I can access some of my datas, send mails etc.
00:38<bones_was_here>why's it doing an fsck?
00:38<theocrite>"home was not cleanly unmounted, check forced."
00:38<bones_was_here>ah unclean shutdown
00:39<bones_was_here>definately let it finish :p
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00:42<bones_was_here>theocrite: maybe also check that the settings in /etc/mdadm.conf are correct for your array - if you need to fix your "ARRAY" line, run update-initramfs afterward
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00:42<bones_was_here>err i mean /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
00:45<theocrite>bones_was_here: Yes, that sound wise. Thank again!
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00:53<bones_was_here>theocrite: also check that your SATA controller is in AHCI mode (bios setting), other modes are slower (note that changing this setting can cause windows to blue screen at startup, if you have a dual boot or some such)
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01:32<vr_>I did a dist-upgrade earlier today and was asked if I wanted to use the package maintainers apache2.conf and I said no. How do I get their version after the fact?
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01:36<pgs>look for apache2.conf.dpkg-dist
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01:43<doubledutch>harkaran: hjallo!
01:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
01:44<harkaran>how can i install software in this operating system
01:45<harkaran>please suggest me
01:45<harkaran>how can i install software in this operating system
01:45<harkaran>please suggest me
01:46<MeglaW>!ask install software
01:46<harkaran>or just send me a pdf to view
01:46<MeglaW>depends on what you start with
01:46<MeglaW>nothing? want to get stuff from internet?
01:46<MeglaW>run aptitude
01:47<harkaran>i want to install sage math. software
01:48<harkaran>more over from where i can check my internet connectivity
01:48<harkaran>please suggest me
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01:49<harkaran>hi D-fence
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01:50<harkaran>what you both are doing
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01:55<harkaran>what you both are doing
01:55<harkaran>some one has knowledge about how to install software in linux
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01:56<sweetpi>debian does not have an official package for it. follow those directions
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01:56<harkaran>is this web link contain all information about how to install
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01:58<harkaran>i also want to know where i get browser in linux
01:58<MeglaW>install one
01:59<sweetpi>harkaran: what browser?
01:59<harkaran>means i have to install 3 party browser
01:59<harkaran>browser means from where i can surf internet
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02:00<sweetpi>.. what is the name of the browser you want to install?
02:00<sweetpi>it should already be installed, it is called iceweasel in debian
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02:02<harkaran>thanks for telling me browser
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02:03<harkaran>do one favour for me
02:03<harkaran>now i open the sage site
02:04<harkaran>firstly i need to download the software from it
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02:06<harkaran>i did not get any option for downloading
02:09<sweetpi>you'll need to try the ubuntu version of the tarball
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02:09<sweetpi>or build from source
02:09<powerson>Hi everyone~!^^
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02:11<harkaran>means in this operating system software will not work / install
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02:12<sweetpi>if the ubuntu version won't work, then building from source will
02:13<harkaran>what is building source
02:14<harkaran>i am just confuse from the word source exactally what is source
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02:14<MeglaW>harkaran: read sweetpi´s link
02:14<sweetpi>the sagemath website explains everything you would need to do
02:15<MeglaW>or do that yeah. :)
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02:16<harkaran>the site will give me the option "#
02:16<harkaran>Go to , select a mirror, and download the file sage-*.tar.
02:16<harkaran>This tarfile contains the source code for Sage and the source for all programs on which Sage depends. Download it into a subdirectory of your home directory into which you want to install Sage. Note that this file is not compressed; it’s just a plain tarball (which happens to be full of compressed files).
02:16-!-harkaran was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use or /msg dpkg paste]
02:16*sweetpi collects a nickel
02:18<powerson>Why did debhelper have kicked him?
02:18<sweetpi>paste flood
02:18<powerson>just 3 times?
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02:19<sweetpi>I saw 4 in a row
02:19<powerson>ok.. 4 times..^^
02:19<harkaran_>sorry the text is to long so i cannot sent you whole
02:19<powerson>haha He comes again with another nickname..
02:20<MeglaW>harkaran_: use pastebin and send the link.
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02:20<harkaran_>ok sweetpi suggest me how to install
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02:20<sweetpi>harkaran_: I know what the site says. Just follow the instructions for either installing the binary or from source
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02:21<harkaran_>but i dont know what is the meaning of binary and source
02:21<sweetpi>harkaran_: if the ubuntu binary doesnt work, see:
02:23<sweetpi>in simple terms, binary=ready to use, source=.. not ready to use :)
02:23<harkaran_>but my question is what is binary or source please elubrate it
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02:24<harkaran_>sorry but i am new user
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02:25<bones_was_here>harald: source code is designed for editing by humans, but computers can't execute it directly - it has to be compiled
02:25<bones_was_here>erf bad highlight
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02:25<bones_was_here>harkaran_: compiling source code produces a binary file, which can be executed by the system, but is pretty much unreadable to humans
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02:29<harkaran_>ok sweetpi now i am downloading the source files
02:29<sweetpi>harkaran_: did you try the ubuntu binary?
02:31<harkaran_>now again you are confusing me , now tell me what is ubuntu binary ? ubuntu is operating system and binary means ready to use
02:32<sweetpi>sagemath has multiple binaries on their site, none of which is for debian. the closest you could come would be for ubuntu
02:33<sweetpi>I would suggest trying that version first
02:34<harkaran_>means i have install ubuntu operating system
02:34<sweetpi>no it doesnt, just try to install the ubuntu version on debian
02:35<harkaran_>means upgrade
02:36<sweetpi>upgrade what?
02:36<harkaran_>opearting system
02:36<sweetpi>how so?
02:36<sweetpi>what version of debian are you using?
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02:37<harkaran_>ohh. you mean i need to install ubuntu version supported sage software
02:37<harkaran_>sorry for this inconvienve
02:38<harkaran_>but now i get your point
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02:39<harkaran_>do one faith for me please send ge link of ubuntu supported s
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02:39<sweetpi>32bit or 64bit?
02:41<MeglaW>hehe, thats not gonna put up a huge question mark hehe
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02:45<sweetpi>harkaran_: are you running the amd64 version of debian or i386?
02:46<harkaran_>not its i 3 processor
02:46<harkaran_>and its 32 bit
02:49<sweetpi>i3 is 64bit, but what version of debian are you running?
02:50<harkaran_>ok i will again meet you after 1 or 2 hour after downloading of it ok .. bye andthanks
02:51<harkaran_>then let me check
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02:52<sweetpi>harkaran_: I cant give you a link to download unless you tell me what architecture
02:53<harkaran_>gnome is 2.14
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03:06<twb>I don't believe the dpkg bot is really running on hurd.
03:06<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture
03:07<jm_>seems to be random
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03:40<gio>hey can som1 help me ?
03:41<gsimmons>gio: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
03:41<gio>well when i type airodump-ng mon0
03:41<gio>it says that theres no such device
03:42<gio>what should i do ?
03:43<gio>im trying to crack WPA2 protected wifi router
03:44<gsimmons>gio: Are you using the BackTrack distribution?
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04:00<gio>idk im using shell knosole
04:01<gio>yes i am
04:01<gio>i got i from the officail website
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04:01<jm_>!tell gio about bt4
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05:12<michal>yesterday i installed debian 6.0. today i dont have sound, why?
05:12<michal>how to fix it
05:12<timon>michal: I'm off to school in a few minutes but I'll ask some questions that will help others here understand your issue
05:13<timon>1) Did you have sound yesterday, after installing Debian 6? i.e. did it work in Debian 6 before?
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05:14<michal>yesterday i watch some films on youtube and it works
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05:14<timon>2) Did you set up/install anything between last time you had sound and now?
05:14<michal>java, flash
05:15<timon>3) Did you accidentally hit the mute button?
05:15<michal>i think thats' all
05:15<michal>no ;]
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05:16<timon>alright, that will leave some additional information for everyone else here ... I've got to get to school now - good luck with getting your sound back :)
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05:16<SynrG>michal: alsa has lots of channels, any of which could be muted or turned down. not all apps agree on which channel to consider the main one to control volume.
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05:19<michal>Execution of child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory) has failed
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05:19<michal>am i delete it?
05:20<michal>am i deleted it?
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05:21<SynrG>try in a terminal: alsamixer
05:21<SynrG>m toggles mute, left/right-arrow switch channels. up/down-arrow change volume. esc quits
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05:23<michal>how to save changes?
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05:25<michal>thank you
05:32<gnuday>Hi, something is driving me mad with a semi-automated pre-seeded Debian installation CD I am working on. I want to automate everything except IP, DNS, Gateway hostname and domain name, (the user will enter these). No matter what options I choose, I can't get the installer to ask for the hostname or domain name, everything else works. Has anybody got any experience of this?
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06:03<bcwatch>where to look for help when gdm3 won't display?
06:03<bcwatch>or just displays a blank screen
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06:09<cedric>I have just upgraded a lenny to squeeze, and I try to install partman, but the package is not found. partman is supposed to be in squeeze main/, exact ?
06:10<cedric>mmh, sorrry for noise :)
06:10<cedric>just realize the partman stuff
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06:25<tjader>Anyone knows about a bug in squeeze that makes all tooltips become black boxes?
06:27<tjader>I couldn't find anything searching on google groups, and don't know what package is to blame
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06:27<tjader>It happens with both nouveau and the proprietary nvidia driver
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06:29<EagleRock>tjader: I can't think of anything offhand. Is this a fresh install or a lenny upgrade?
06:29<tjader>EagleRock: fresh.
06:30<EagleRock>tjader: you're using GNOME as your desktop environment?
06:31<EagleRock>tjader: what tooltips does this affect? the ones from GNOME itself?
06:31<tjader>All of them.
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06:32<tjader>Gnome menus, inside chromium, etc
06:33<klando>I failled to create a partitoin of 2.4 TB, is ther some limitaitn in fdisk about that ?
06:33<klando>limitation, sorry
06:35<klando>ah I need parted ?
06:35<tjader>klando: you could try it.
06:35<EagleRock>tjader: I can't think of anything, sorry. If it's a known bug, I haven't found anything in the bug tracker.
06:35<tjader>wouldn't hurt :)
06:35<cthuluh>klando: you need something different from dos partition format
06:35<klando>ho cthuluh !
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06:36<klando>weel I don't really care to have one big or 2 under 2TB
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06:36<tjader>EagleRock: any idea what package I could file a bug against?
06:37<klando>probably better to cut the partition in 2 ...
06:37<klando>thank you
06:38<EagleRock>tjader: that's probably tied to gnome-core
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06:39<tjader>EagleRock: I'll test with another DE first to make sure
06:41<EagleRock>tjader: #debian-gnome would probably be a good place to check
06:41<tjader>okay, thanks
06:41<EagleRock>tjader: sorry I couldn't help more
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06:41<tjader>Anyone knows a small DE/WM that supports tooltips?
06:41<cthuluh>klando: as long as you're not putting ext3 on it, a 2.4TB partition won't hurt
06:42<klando>even for perf or something like that ?
06:42<klando>well mutliple partition offer the option to put some at the beginning (fastest) ...
06:43<cthuluh>you'd have to choose carefully your filesystem, though...
06:43<klando>parted is not suggested in the debian documentation about squeeze install/parittionning
06:43<klando>only patrman, fdisk and cfdisk
06:43<klando>cthuluh, ext4 here (usually xfs)
06:44<cthuluh>I'd stay with xfs, though I haven't tried ext4 on more than 1TB
06:45<cthuluh>you need parted for GPT support, btw
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06:46<klando>the point is that it is not 'for me', and I prefer keep the fS for which IT have knowledge
06:46<klando>ext series here,
06:47<klando>ext4 should work up to 14TB or something like that ...
06:48<klando>anyway I have cut to 2*1.2TB and it should rocks
06:48<klando>postgresql doesn't care to have more than one tablespace
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06:49<cthuluh>though it could add overhead
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06:49<cthuluh>well ok, not if postgresql is really that smart
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06:54<klando>postgresql is smart
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06:56<meepmeep>Hi :)
06:57<dpkg>hello, eaglerock
06:58<meepmeep>I just update to 6.0, upgrade was fine but I mess with grub2 .. It installed well, but I launch "upgrade-from-grub-legacy" before rebooting .. So now my system should be booting with grub2 directly. BUT, I want to fall back to a chainloading between grub legacy and grub2 ... (at least for the 1st boot). Is that possible ?
06:58<meepmeep>('cause i'm not sure that grub2 works well)
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07:01<EagleRock>meepmeep: I don't think it's possible. That's why they had chainloading for testing purposes
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07:01<EagleRock>meepmeep: you can probably get back legacy grub using a rescue CD
07:02<meepmeep>i can't use a rescue cd ):
07:02<meepmeep>if i apt-get remove grub-pc and reinstall grub-legacy ?
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07:03<bcwatch>good day!
07:03<bcwatch>is there a chat for SID
07:03<EagleRock>meepmeep: that's should work, but you should also move out the grub files from /boot and back them up
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07:04<meepmeep>EagleRock: it won't automatically fall back to menu.lst which already exist ?
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07:05<EagleRock>meepmeep: it should, but I think it'd be safer to clean up all grub2 files, especially if you don't have access to a rescuecd
07:06<meepmeep>thank's EagleRock
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07:07<EagleRock>meepmeep: good luck!
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07:07<meepmeep>yep, i'll need that too :)
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07:14<rigved>hi everyone...can anyone tell me where i can get the pxeboot image for debian squeeze? i already have the dvd 1 image. i have asked this in the debian freenode channel but no reply
07:14<jm_>rigved: doesn't installation manual cover this?
07:14<rigved>i'm going over to it now
07:15<rigved>will check it. thanks for your help
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07:47<DreX>is there any1 here ?
07:47<DreX>i need help
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07:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:47<DreX>can any1 help me ?
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07:48<DreX>ok, so im using bt4 and i want to knw how to hack a WPA2 protected wif
07:49<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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07:52<Torsten_W>DreX, if you don't know, how to hack, don't hack
07:52<bones_was_here>'how cans i be h4xx0r pl0x'
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07:56<Aleric>Ok... after 20 years I'm going to give in ... What would be a good replacement for a mutt die-hard in order to deal with all those html emails?
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07:57<petemc>mutt can deal with html emails
07:58<Aleric>I'm piping those to w3m now, but the layout just sucks.. I want to see the real html page :/. But I'd prefer not to start my browser for that, if there is a single window application that just displays it for me (with clickable links etc).
07:58<amphi>Aleric: netsurf?
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07:59<sahko>Aleric: if you want gui, id say claws
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08:00<amphi>Aleric: or there's webkit's GtkLauncher test program
08:00<jm_>Aleric: i switched from mutt to claws-mail
08:01<SynrG>i used claws for quite a long time, but eventually switched to icedove in spite of the bloat because claws just wasn't cutting it for accurate rendering (lots of HTML mails via the office) and other office-specific needs.
08:02<SynrG>also, icedove 3.x greatly improved over 2.x
08:02<fnmueller>SynrG: but... there are at least two different htmls render plugins for claws-mail. How can it _not_ work?
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08:02<amphi>can claws use different html rendering libs? could it use webkit, for example?
08:02<fnmueller>amphi: yes
08:03<SynrG>fnmueller: i was using claws for feeds as well. it made a mess of them
08:03<SynrG>got tired of waiting for it to improve
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08:03<amphi>fnmueller: thanks
08:03<fnmueller>SynrG: well, I never did that, I use liferea for feeds
08:03<SynrG>plus subtle little breakages of formatting of mails as well. icedove just seemed to do a better job all around
08:04<SynrG>another reason is somewhat political. i would love to be able to build a case at work to wean my officemates (all on windows workstations) off Outlook
08:04<SynrG>Outlook -> Claws is not an option for them. Outlook -> Thunderbird is.
08:04<SynrG>so it made sense to get familiar with it myself.
08:05<sahko>yeah if you need that then icedove is pretty much the only choice
08:05<jm_>amphi: fancy html viewer plugin is webkit
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08:05<SynrG>i was rather impressed by TB3's new search facility
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08:06<oberheim>is there any general guide to what a new user should configure in debian?
08:06<SynrG>and its ability to mesh more readily into an office environment via import of .ics files into lightning, etc.
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08:08<jm_>ics as in reminders etc? claws has a plugin for that
08:08<jm_>oberheim: whatever they want to
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08:10<SynrG>jm_: sure. it's not that claws is not entirely suitable. but i found many of the plugins i needed either weren't there at the time or were there but not finished (e.g. rendering HTML feeds correctly)
08:10<SynrG>i never tried the ics plugin though
08:10<SynrG>(for claws)
08:11<SynrG>i found jobs like adding a filter in claws *quite* clunky
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08:12<jm_>heh I use perl filter plugin for that, but the GUI config for its built-in filters is rather simple
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08:13<Aleric>jm_: claws-mail asks me for a "SMTP server address" :/ ... But imho I always sent mails directly. Can't I tell it to use sendmail or exim4 to send mails the way that works now?
08:13<jm_>Aleric: just use localhost
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08:14<jm_>Aleric: it also has the option: Use mail command rather than SMTP server and /usr/sbin/sendmail -t
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08:14<Aleric>jm_: I just started it and get a wizard without those options...
08:14<Aleric>Where did you find that option?
08:15<jm_>Aleric: ahh I don't remember the wizard, it will be in Config -> Edit accoutns later on (Basic settings)
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08:15<jm_>just specify localhost there now to skip over it and you can change it later
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08:29<Aleric>jm_: I have like 40,000 emails in my Inbox (don't ask)... but I can't find a way to mark them all as "read"... Moreover, I have 40 email boxes (I use procmail to sort mails), but claws-mail only asks for a single mailbox, and when I give it one - I still have to manually click "read email" before I can see the mails and even then it thinks that every mail is unread (while the original mailbox says they are mostly all read) :/
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08:31<Aleric>I found a way to mark a mail 'as read' in the menu: Message --> Mark --> Mark this message as read, but that doesn't have a keyboard short cut, there is also not "Mark thread as read" but ok... There is a "Mark all as read".. at least that solved the 40,000 mails problem.
08:31<jm_>Aleric: hmm something like ctrl-a shift-r
08:32<jm_>Aleric: simply open the menu, move the moves over one menu item and pres the desired key
08:32<Aleric>Is there a way to "import" my 40 mbox files somehow?
08:32<jm_>File -> Import mbox file
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08:34<jm_>there's also claws-mail-mailmbox-plugin if you want to use mbox files
08:36<Aleric>Yes... I want to see *existing* mbox files... the import just wants to read it and dump it into my Inbox :/ .. When I specify a different Destination folder it says "Can't find destination folder" ... hmm.. does it store every email in a separate file now?
08:37<jm_>yes, it uses MH folders
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08:38<Aleric>Should download plugins using the the claws-mail interface (from, or are those available as debian packages?
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08:38<jm_>debian has them
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08:49<mercutio22>I am searching a package with aptitude and the output shows the package with status "v". What does it stand for?
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08:49<themill>!virtual package
08:49<dpkg>i guess virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo;
08:50<fnmueller>btw: icedove using mbox format is like the biggest downside to icedove
08:50<fnmueller>mbox format just sucks big time
08:50<SynrG>i don't do that
08:51<SynrG>using IMAP to talk to the office mailsystem (Exchange server, with IMAP enabled at my request)
08:51<SynrG>and to Gmail, and to my own IMAP server at home
08:52<fnmueller>SynrG: that's nice for you, but icedove using mbix _really_ is a problem. And most users don't use imap
08:52<fnmueller>me neither, btw, as laws in my country would allow different ppl to access my mail if I didn't store it at my very own PC
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08:56<SynrG>i guess i don't understand the legal argument (nobody has access to my imap server at home but me)
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08:56<SynrG>i fully sync my imap folders between my netbook and home
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08:56<SynrG>makes it convenient for answering email offline and having the same view from my desktop at home.
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08:59<fnmueller>SynrG: well, it's much easier to get a company to hand over data, than with a private person. Companys often even respond to mere questions (not court orders) as they are threatened to loose the entire server. Further, I would not be informed if there was a search as the emails would not be my property, but the companys. It's fairly simple and pretty much the same for any country in the western world
09:00<SynrG>ah, right.
09:00<SynrG>hence my strict separation between work emails and non-work
09:00<ecilop>don't services like gmail/yahoo/hotmail keep copies once mail hits their server anyway?
09:00<SynrG>i wouldn't use my work email for anything i didn't want everyone in the world to be able to read, should the company decide it suited them
09:01<SynrG>how it's actually stored makes not one whit of difference
09:01<SynrG>as they potentially have access to every piece of mail anyway
09:01<DreX>srsly ive just started using bt4 and i relly must know how to crack WPA2 wifi
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09:02<SynrG>DreX: this is not a bt4 support channel. please see #backtrack-linux @
09:02<ecilop>drex: wpa2 wifi hack bt4 how to is explained by doing alt+f4
09:02<DreX>so wut do i add ?
09:02<DreX>im not dum -_-
09:02<SynrG>DreX: seriously, this is *not* a bt4 support channel.
09:02<ecilop>alt+f4 on linux is not same as windows
09:03<DreX>ya it is
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09:05<SynrG>ah, !bt4 would have saved me some typing (mental note made for future reference)
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09:07<Aleric>jm_: I'm sorry :( .. I installed the mbox plugin but I still can't figure out who to get claws-mail to read my mbox files :/
09:07<Aleric>jm_: It contains to have seperated files for each mail... and importing still asks for a Destination folder
09:07<SynrG>you would be better off converting them and leaving them behind
09:07<SynrG>there are cmdline utils for this
09:07<themill>SynrG: "/msg dpkg bt4 magic" ;)
09:08<Aleric>SynrG: Then how would I read new mail? New mail ends up in those mbox files :/
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09:08<SynrG>themill: funny, but a bit rude and doesn't suit my style.
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09:09<SynrG>Aleric: dropmail them into maildir
09:10<SynrG>maildrop, even
09:10<Aleric>I'm currently using procmail to drop the mails in the mbox files.. if I can use procmail to drop them into the format that claws-mail uses then I can consider that...
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09:12<SynrG>Aleric: i have maildrop set up with postfix. it wasn't hard.
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09:12<themill>SynrG: ack. there's usually more than an ounce of frustration involved in the usage of that one... (and often a +q heading in someone's direction by then too)
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09:14<SynrG>themill: nodnod
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09:16<Aleric>#%@$#$ this plugin should DO *something* shouldn't it? What does it do??
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09:17<ermac>hello guys, would you please help me... how can I make a bridge between a wireless hostapd interface and a wireless interface connected to another access point with wpa supplicant?
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09:18<Aleric>It seems to add a single menu entry under: File --> Add mailbox --> mbox (etPan!)..
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09:18<Aleric>But when I click that and give it an existing mbox file, it complains it can't write to it cause it already exists :(
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09:23<sahko>how do people keep track of testing? is there some resource that notifies you of uploads? like a mailing list or something?
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09:24<sahko>oh, i should mention i have no auto notification gui available at this point
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09:27<SynrG>Aleric: at which point you give up banging your head against this particular wall and try one of my suggestions? :)
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09:28<sahko>ah, its under misc debian mailing lists
09:28<SynrG>Aleric: you really don't want to write mail to mbox. it is unsafe.
09:28<Aleric>I've been doing that for decades without problems.
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09:28<Aleric>procmail uses file locking
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09:29<sahko>awesome, nice output, 1 mail/day
09:29<Aleric>Anyway, this plugin seems completely broken...
09:29<SynrG>file a bug
09:29<petemc>SynrG: where do you get the idea mbox is unsafe?
09:29<sahko>errm 2 actually. 1 for additions and 1 for removals
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09:29<Aleric>SynrG: So, how can I create 40 "folders" like the "Inbox" that I currently have?
09:30<overflow>Hi, is there a how-to install the PTS ?
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09:30<Aleric>SynrG: Is there a menu hidden somewhere for that?
09:30<SynrG>petemc: am i wrong about that? hmm. will have to look into it. thanks
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09:31<Aleric>SynrG: Are you using claws-mail?
09:31<SynrG>i made the switch so long ago i no longer remember what sold me on it.
09:31<SynrG>i thought that was among the objections
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09:31<SynrG>take, for instance, abrupt power loss while writing the mbox
09:31<Aleric>SynrG: If so, how do you deal with mailing lists? I can't be the first that wants mail sorted in many input folders :/
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09:32<sahko>damn, its not available in nntp
09:32<SynrG>or running out of disk space
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09:33<overflow>Is there any way to use PTS tool for a debian-based distro ?
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09:33<SynrG>Aleric: i am no longer using claws-mail. at the time, i did client-side filtering via claws. i'm still looking for an end-user friendly solution (hand writing procmail rules isn't something my family or coworkers would ever put up with)
09:34<SynrG>that is server-side (maybe seive?)
09:35<SynrG>dunno if there's a manageseive plugin for claws ... i think there is one for TB3 tho
09:35<Aleric>I think I'll stick with mutt ... this thing just sucks.. They call this a GUI? There isn't even a clear way to understand IF it supports more one folder.. let alone an easy way to add a new mailinglist.
09:35<sahko>Aleric: maybe try #claws-mail @ freenode
09:35<Aleric>That doesn't exist
09:36<SynrG>Aleric: i believe there's a "make a filter from this message"
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09:36<sahko>might be #claws
09:37<ecilop>?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0
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09:38<overflow>Hello? anybody? is there any guide to install the PTS tool?
09:38<SynrG>the what?
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09:41<overflow>SynrG: Package tracking system
09:41<@Ganneff>err, thats a website, not to install
09:41<SynrG>hence my confusion :)
09:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pts is the Debian "Package Tracking System": a place where you can find the current status and some of the history of a given source package. for information on a specific package
09:42<overflow>Ganneff: svn co svn:// there is where I got the source code .. I want to use it for a debian-based distro project Canaima ( )
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09:44<SynrG>in general, bits of debian infrastructure tend to depend heavily on other bits of debian infrastructure, so good luck with that :/
09:45<SynrG>(is there a single instance of a Debian deriv that uses its own modified copy of the Debian BTS, for example?)
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09:51<ansgar>SynrG: The GNU project uses Debian's BTS software for some projects (including emacs).
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09:52<sahko>i think he meant cloning it, not using it as their own BTS
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09:53<TCW>does one have an internet-host at hand, which ignores ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification)? I had once a website collecting networks / hosts which don't handle ECN correctly, but I don't find it anymore...
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10:35<adrafe>anyone here
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10:36<adrafe>i am new tooo this world of chatting
10:36<userrr>hi. next month i will get an new imac as a gift. is it possible to run debian on it?
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10:36<adrafe>u can do it with vmware
10:36<mercutio22>Ok... I accidentaly choose the grub entry "windows 7" recovery and later I canceled the proccess. Upon rebook I've got "error: no such partition" and a shell line showing "grub rescue>"
10:36<mercutio22>I assume I only lost grub
10:37<mercutio22>can I recover from here somehow?
10:37<adrafe>wat is grub???????????
10:37<userrr>ok thanks alot
10:37<mercutio22>adrafe: the boot loader
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10:37<adrafe>linux boot loader??
10:37<weechat3>Hi all
10:37<adrafe>is there any hacker over here??
10:38<mercutio22>adrafe: its a boot loader. Can load windows also
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10:38<adrafe>anyone expert in exploit writing??
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10:40<adrafe>does anyone knw about exploits??
10:40<petemc>adrafe: this channel is for debian support
10:40<adrafe>i am new to irc
10:40<adrafe>where can i go for exploits??
10:40<sney>adrafe: let me guess, you just downloaded backtrack
10:40<SynrG>adrafe: and please don't misdirect users with answers to questions you really have no clue about :/
10:40<doubledutch>Calm down and wait. Form an actual question and wait for the answer.
10:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:41<SynrG>vmware? good grief
10:41<adrafe>synrg ....u knw it
10:41<SynrG>i would start with, i guess
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10:42<SynrG>(though this info may be a bit dated)
10:42<sney>SynrG: you can learn h4xx0ring from the imac intel wiki page? :O
10:42<adrafe>how do u knw that i jus downloaded backtrack @sney
10:42<SynrG>sney: see the question he answered.
10:42<doubledutch>because he is hacker
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10:43<SynrG>11:36 < userrr> hi. next month i will get an new imac as a gift. is it possible to run debian on it?
10:43<sney>adrafe: because you're acting like an idiot who thinks he's magically become a hacker just because his operating system has dragons on it
10:43<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
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10:43<amphi>sney: heh
10:43<SynrG>themill: wow
10:44<SynrG>themill: ok, i can see the usefulness now :)
10:44<adrafe>guys i am new to this world of linux and please help me out..i want to learn
10:44<adrafe>ok thanks dpkg
10:44<amphi>adrafe: learn assembler
10:44<sney>adrafe: go to, read everything. don't come back until you're done.
10:44<adrafe>thanks all you guys bye
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10:46<overflow>There's missing file in PTS source code web/incoming/
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10:46<sney>sometimes I forget guys like that are real
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10:48<fnmueller>sney: well, it probably takes a certain IQ and age combination to be like that
10:49<sney>IQ doesn't enter into it, I think. age, yes, and a bit of ego and excessive willingness to suspend disbelief
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10:50<sney>they go to, they see the trogdor, they read "purely native environment dedicated to hacking" without scrolling down and from that point on they're living in a fantasy world.
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10:50<sney>what's grub, and how do you write exploits. good grief.
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10:51<fnmueller>SynrG: I really don't know. I started using linux in 1996, I was young and was also interested in hacking, in fact, I still am, but I can't remember being like that.... Sure, I also did stupid things, but not like this
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10:52<fnmueller>ohh, and now I "hack" at my university and get paid for it :D
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10:53<sney>me too, I think the reason was probably that we were on dialup and internet resources were much fewer and farther between. it wasn't trivial in those days to download a few hundred MB iso just to goof around
10:53<sney>so we installed debian off our floppies and actually learned the system
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10:53<fnmueller>yes /me remembers.
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11:02<sahko>funny that the installation notes refer to grub as "flexible and robust" and lilo as "old complex"
11:03<sahko>but i dont remember seeing an option for lilo in squeeze
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11:04<sney>sahko: it's not offered in the install anymore, but it's still in apt for people who want/need it
11:04<sahko>oh it says to go back when prompted for grub and select
11:05<sahko>sney: then thats outdated?: If you do not want to install grub, use the Go Back button to get to the main menu, and from there select whatever bootloader you would like to use.
11:05<sney>oh, maybe it is offered in the install. but no more "select bootloader!"
11:05<sahko>hope weezy has syslinux
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11:06<sahko>which uses the lilo syntax, which is far from complexity
11:06<sney>aptitude search says yes
11:06<sney>judd: versions syslinux
11:06<judd>Package syslinux on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.71+dfsg-5; squeeze: 2:4.02+dfsg-7; wheezy: 2:4.02+dfsg-7; sid: 2:4.03+dfsg-11
11:06<overflow>anyone knows waht "" file is?
11:07<sahko>the bootloader used is actually extlinux
11:07<sahko>but it only supports ext* and btrfs today
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11:15<b3figa>Hello! Canšanyonešexplain the difference betweenšKeepalivedšandšHeartbeat?
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11:17<SynrG>fnmueller: s/SynrG/sney/ ?
11:17<sney>seems that way
11:18<SynrG>overflow: your inquiry is so very specific i doubt if the generalists here will be able to help you.
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11:18<SynrG>overflow: you probably should find some contact info for PTS and try there
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11:21<overflow>SynrG: ok thanks..
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11:34<sahko>judd: versions wget
11:34<judd>Package wget on i386 -- lenny: 1.11.4-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.11.4-2+lenny2; sid: 1.12-2.1; squeeze: 1.12-2.1; wheezy: 1.12-2.1
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11:38<sahko>hmm theres something wrong with my environment or something. i noticed that in the xterm man page earlier. when i wget something it looks like this: Saving to: “install.txt.en” . Notice the n$FILENAMEn. any ideas?
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11:39<sahko>despite what it says, it saves as install.txt.en
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11:45<Zaba>sahko, that looks like fancy quotes to me
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11:46<Zaba>your locale is set to something unicodeish but your terminal doesn't handle it correctly, I guess.
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11:48<sahko>thats definitely the case, known issue:)
11:48<sahko>xterm man page visualBell resource: "Specifies whether or not a visible bell (i.e., flashing) should be used instead of an audible bell when Con‐ trol-G is received. The default is “false.”
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11:50<sahko>i usually use urxvt cause i want greek support without having an el_GR locale
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11:54<Kieran_>Hi, I have some trouble with apt
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11:55<webmind_org>Hi, does anyone know how to disable the gnome-keyring ?
11:55<Kieran_>I tried searching around, but I didn't find anything that solved the problem
11:56<acu>hi guys- I run qemu-kvm in amd64 (phenomX4) and virtual machines freezes very often - I am trying to troubleshoot this - until then I have some messages that the bridge did not find ipv6 routers - so I try to get them off
11:56<acu>can anyone help ?
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12:04<lmvc>Does anyone know a high performance pdf reader? My current pdf reader (installed by default from the installation CD) slow down my computer. Please help
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12:04<kop>lmvc: Install debtags and use it to search.
12:04<kop>!tell lmvc about search
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12:06<lmvc><kop> thanks
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12:08<refa007>hello guys
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12:41<themill>SynrG: :)
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13:02<overflow>what happened with ?
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13:05<rawr>Sup peepz
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13:06<rawr>Someone actually spoke to me yayz :)
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13:08<rawr>Uhmm u still here?
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13:10<SynrG>so, what's the standard dpkg factoid when people do that? just come and babble? (or do you just ignore?)
13:12*bartm is ignoring SynrG :)
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13:18<sahko>in it says the package name is doc-debian while its in fact debian-faq
13:19<jhutchins_lt>SynrG: We usually just ignore a line or two. If it gets obsessive they may bring down the wrath of ops.
13:19<BlueG>How is $HOME/.local/share/mime* handled? I have one user who gets unhandled mime-type errors from evince, but it works for others, so I suspect this might be the problem.
13:19<bartm>sahko, the package doc-debian also exists
13:20<sahko>i know, but its not faq
13:20<sahko>both are installed by default
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13:22<bartm>sahko, at first sight you seem to be right. Could you submit a bug report for this?
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13:23<SynrG>jhutchins_lt: k, thanks
13:24<sahko>i havent set up any automated tool to deal with reports yet, neither have i ever reported anuthing to the Debian BTS yet, can i do it from iceweasel?
13:24<SynrG>bartm: that's your prerogative :)
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13:25<bartm>sahko, how to report a bug :
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13:26<sahko>ok i will add it in my short term todo list:)
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13:28<EmleyMoor>What's the best filesystem for a 1TB external hard drive that wil only be hosted on a Debian squeeze (or later) box?
13:28<EmleyMoor>ext2/3/4? xfs?
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13:30<SynrG>you can rule out ext2 due to lack of journalling
13:30<EmleyMoor>Swayed toward ext3 but wondering if something else would be better
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13:32<SynrG>i went with ext4 on my netbook this time (vertex 2 ssd) even though ext3 is still the default in squeeze because i had heard it is stable enough now for regular use and has some performance advantages
13:32<EmleyMoor>Performance advantages are good
13:32<SynrG>and i like the fact that ext* filesystems are backwards compatible. makes it easier for me to deal with if i have to shuffle things around
13:33<SynrG>as for xfs, i can't say what advantages there might be there.
13:33<SynrG>read up on it? :)
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13:34<SynrG>i ruled it out due to the lack of backwards compatibility and i didn't feel it would be worth my effort to look for further optimization of filesystem performance where i currently have no complaints about how it's performing now
13:34<zitter>hi, I've upgraded to squeeze, but now it all messy.... :( is there a way to reinstall --reinstall all gnome packages, for example? I've tried apt-get install --reinstasll gnome-* but it doesn't work due packages dependency
13:35<SynrG>if there were some clear benefit and no downside for maintenance, i might be convinced to change my mind
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13:36*EmleyMoor is going ext3 - will format all three to it
13:36<SynrG>zitter: what are you trying to solve by doing that?
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13:38<zitter>SynrG, no idea :) in debian 5.0 sound worked, my radeon rv370 too... now I have no sound and video is slow. I would like to reinstall all squeeze pkgs
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13:38<SynrG>reinstall is something i wouldn't do unless i knew, for example, some file were damaged, and then only for the particular affected packages.
13:38<SynrG>and it probably doesn't do what you think it does anyway, since lots of residual things will be reused in a reinstall
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13:39<SynrG>(conf files and the like)
13:39<zitter>ok. any strategy?
13:39<zitter>I work with this PC...
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13:39<SynrG>download a live image, boot it, and see if you have the same performance issue, sound problem, etc.
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13:40<SynrG>as for radeon, did you use fglrx before?
13:40<zitter>if I have not?
13:40<zitter>SynrG, don't know. Lenny did it all automagically :)
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13:41<SynrG>i doubt that
13:41<zitter>I can assure that!
13:42<zitter>everything worked fine, from scratch
13:42<SynrG>hm, maybe rv370 worked without 3d accel in lenny. dunno
13:42<SynrG>(fglrx provides 3d, but is from non-free, so would not work by default)
13:43<SynrG>in squeeze, the free radeon driver now supports some 3d (depends on chipset)
13:43<zitter>dunno about 3d, 'cause I don't play games and so on
13:44<SynrG>ok. as for sound, could be a simple mixer issue, or multiple sound devices in your system and the wrong one is selected by default
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13:44<zitter>I've selected USB ones, but they don't work
13:45<SynrG>which issue is more important for you to fix first?
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13:46<peterS>SynrG: radeon in squeeze mostly still does require 'firmware-linux-nonfree' from non-free, though, AFAIK
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13:46<zitter>I would like to try to fix sound, for first
13:46<peterS>(for 3D, I mean)
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13:49<zitter>i don't understand a thing. I've tried now apt-get install libao4 and did nothing. I've tried apt-get install --reinstall libao4 and it downloaded pck from the net. Why?
13:49<peterS>zitter: probably just means you already had the newest version installed
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13:50<zitter>peterS, yes. But why it downloaded again, if mine is the newest?
13:50<zitter>with --reinstall option I mean
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13:50<peterS>zitter: probably because you didn't have it in /var/cache/apt/archives anymore. you said to reinstall. reinstall from _where_? if you don't have a .deb file to reinstall from, it has to download it
13:50<zitter>I think something gone worng with dist-upgrade
13:50<zitter>peterS, yes. You're right!
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13:51<SynrG>zitter: as for sound, what do you try, what do you expect, and what happens instead?
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13:54<zitter>I've tried to play with alsamixer. I expected to listen something from USB sound system, as in Lenny, but nothing happens. I dunno how to make it as default sound system
13:54<SynrG>usb is a second sound device? you have onboard sound too?
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13:55<zitter>yes, is my second sound device
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13:56<peterS>zitter: have a look at 'man asoundconf'
13:56<zitter>I am so sorry.... but I have to go :((( I hope to see you next time
13:56<zitter>peterS, thanks I will.
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14:22<ziirish>I have some kind of a "funny" issue...
14:22<ziirish>I'm trying to get a fresh install with a squeeze netinstall CD
14:23<ziirish>and it hangs at 1%
14:23<ziirish>so I check the console
14:23<ziirish>and I see "Warning untrusted package bla bla bla libssl 0.9.8"
14:24<ziirish>"To continue, enter "Yes"; to abord, enter "no""
14:24<ziirish>exept I just can't enter yes or no anywhere
14:25<ziirish>does somebody have already been thru this issue?
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14:27<jordanm>ziirish: are you using an older cd from squeeze testing?
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14:27<ziirish>because the newone hangs on network detection...
14:28<jordanm>ziirish: you might be able to type yes into one of the TTY's, but it sounds like the cd is out of date
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14:29<ziirish>well, I know it is mawbe out dated, but at least it detects my network devices
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14:30<ziirish>unfortunately I can't find any way to force the installation of this package
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14:47<kev>hi folks
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14:48<kev>anybody seen ssh die on opening a program like top or nano on debian?
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14:48<jhutchins_lt>ziirish: I think the problem is that the released version has different signing keys.
14:48<jhutchins_lt>ziirish: Your nic may require firmware.
14:49<jhutchins_lt>ziirish: There is an optional method for using the non-free firmware with the installer.
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14:49<bartm>kev, can you reproduce the problem repeatedly?
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14:50<kev>bartm: yes it happens every time i open top over ssh
14:50<bartm>kev, in a gnome-terminal?
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14:52<kev>bartm: client is ssh in gnome-terminal yes
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14:54<ziirish>jhutchins_lt: by using the expert mode I almost get what I want
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14:54<ziirish>but the apt-install does not use the -y properly
14:56<ziirish>well with --force-yes it works
14:56<bartm>kev, I can't reproduce the problem (I can perfectly use top over ssh in a gnome-terminal)
14:57<bartm>kev, any error messages?
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14:59<kev>bartm: nope
14:59<kev>hummm im on the armel port
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15:01<bartm>kev, client-side on armel ? or server-side ? or both?
15:01<kev>bartm: server side armel
15:01<kev>client side amd-64
15:02<bartm>kev, can you consult log files on that server ?
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15:05<bartm>kev, my laptop is amd64 and I can ssh to an armel server and run top - runs just fine
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15:05<kev>bartm: ah! good to know
15:06<kev>perhaps the problems arises from the usb_gadget ethernet interface
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15:06<kev>which im using for ip to armel
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15:11<djjonex>does anyone know about a channel for mac osx?
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15:12<cahoot>djjonex: #macosx on freenode is one
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15:13<flixh>MoDaX: seems to help, thanks. Now it looks like i need to identify the part that's messing everything up
15:13<djjonex>cahoot: what u mean with freenode?
15:14<MoDaX>flixh: ECHAN :)
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15:14<dpkg>freenode (formerly Open Projects Network) is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an IRC network,, and you can visit their web page at . You may be connected to freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>.
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15:18<flixh>MoDaX: ECHAN?
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15:18<weedeater64>freenode is apparently under attack today
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15:18<MoDaX>flixh: our talk started on #debian-kde. this is #debian
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15:19<MoDaX>ECHAN = geeky way of saying "wrong channel"
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15:20<cahoot>ESERV then?
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15:36<djjonex>need to unlock x amount of files in macosx external drive
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15:37<bartm>djjonex, cahoot> djjonex: #macosx on freenode is one
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15:41<djjonex>bartm: idk how to get there
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15:45<bartm>djjonex, in the XChat menu select XChat, network list, freenode. And then type /join #macosx
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15:50<djjonex>bartm: lol theres nobody there
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15:53<bartm>djjonex, wrong, there are 341 users there.
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15:58<djjonex>i follow ur stepd and didnt get it
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16:08<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
16:09<babilen>sznitzeln: /msg dpkg ati -- not need to tell the whole channel :)
16:09<sznitzeln>ah thx :)
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16:10<sznitzeln>is there a document containing some "channel rules" or such?
16:10<bartm>sznitzeln, yes see the topic of this channel
16:12<babilen>sznitzeln: There is, but I am not sure if it discusses bot-etiquette :)
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16:13<sznitzeln>babilen, :P
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16:16<doubledutch> = sudo apt-get install hedgewars (best game in the Repos!)
16:18<ErSandro>best worms clone ever
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16:20<ErSandro>bartm: follow the link ;)
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16:20<sznitzeln>doubledutch, nice!
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16:21<xun>where can i track the progress of wheezy?
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16:22<babilen>xun: What do you mean?
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16:22<xun>well, if i remember correctly it took a while before packages started being pushed into squeeze when lenny was released
16:22<babilen>doubledutch: I am trying to make up my mind if i like the music in the trailer or find it absolutely horrible. That games brings back memories though.
16:22<xun>but I dont actually know how it works, so perhaps thats a better place to start :)
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16:25<themill>(there are 1848 source packages updated in wheezy over squeeze and 502 new source packages in wheezy that aren't in squeeze, if that helps)
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16:25<xun>hmm, okay
16:26<xun>is there any transitional state or something before wheezy becomes a "proper" testing
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16:26<themill>it already is
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16:26<doubledutch>...not sure about the trailer etc --- but was a HUGE fan of Worms, Worms II, Worms World Party, Worms Armaggeddon... and I have (literally) been playing Hedgewars nonstop for the past 3 days. It's BEYOND Worms - so much about it is ++.
16:26<xun>themill, nice
16:27<xun>themill, so i guess upgrading my laptop to wheezy would be no problem
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16:27<doubledutch>...if you do get it, ensure you get 0.9.15 that's in Testing/Unstable or else you'll only see 10% the amount of games\
16:27<doubledutch>players on Official Server. That is all.
16:27<babilen>xun: That does not imply that it is actually usable though. Although some people made the leap days ago
16:27<themill>xun: highly recommend that you don't
16:27<themill>dpkg: tell xun about squeeze->wheezy
16:27<babilen>doubledutch: Yeah, I can see that happen to me.
16:27<xun>babilen, how so?
16:28<babilen>xun: See the factoid dpkg just PMed you
16:28<xun>i did, didnt tell me that much
16:29<xun>"We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride..." <-- when will it not be a bumpy ride, and what is required?
16:31<babilen>xun: The ride will, for example, be less bumpy once wheezy has been frozen or a lot of the transitions have been completed. It is just not a good time to use wheezy (or sid fwiw) right now as a lot of new software is coming in.
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16:31<xun>with frozen do you mean like squeeze was ~1 month ago?
16:31<babilen>xun: And you can expect a lot of changes and inconsistencies now.
16:31<bartm>on the other hand, we need users using Testing so that it gets some exposure
16:31<babilen>xun: exactly
16:32<xun>babilen, but doesnt that usually take like 1 year?
16:32<xun>bartm, yes, that was what I was thinking, Im actually running wheezy on one of my computers already
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16:32<bartm>xun, go ahead, why not, and report bugs if you find any :)
16:32<babilen>xun: You *can* use wheezy or testing right. I wouldn't recommend to do so because it just might be a lot of work to fix stuff.
16:33<babilen>xun: Just report bugs and fix things, just don't expect it to be without problems, bugs or even horrible breakage ;)
16:33<xun>babilen, so you would recomend i use stable at all times?
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16:33<xun>i have been running testing for years, so I kinda know what to expect
16:34<xun>but i was wondering if something special happens just after a new debian release
16:34<babilen>xun: It is a reasonable recommendation. I typically switch to testing after 12-18 months (or earlier) ...
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16:34*bartm uses testing in a chroot
16:34<babilen>xun: Lots of new packages come in after a release (to sid and testing) -- Xorg is (was?) in quite a horrible state in the last days ..
16:34<xun>hmm, so right about when its about to get released? :D (read on the wiki the avarage time between releases are 1.5 years :D)
16:35<themill>xun: the "special" thing that happens straight after release is that testing tends to break lots, badly and sometimes for quite some time.
16:35<babilen>not on purpose though
16:35<xun>so nothing "special", just the fact that testing hasnt been tested that much?
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16:36<devil>babilen: xorg is okay again in unstable
16:36<babilen>devil: wonderful
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16:37<xun>and how about security updates for wheezy?
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16:39<babilen>!tell xun about testing security
16:39<babilen>don't expect much
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16:40<xun>dpkg seems to be quite helpfull, if you know how to use him :)
16:40<dpkg>i haven't a clue, xun
16:41<dpkg>awwwww, whats the matter??
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16:41<xun>so i guess the d-d-a is a good place to watch out for updates on wheezy?
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16:48<jeremiah_>xun: Sure, and Debian news should have them too
16:48<jeremiah_>xun: Or you can run, apt-get update
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16:58<XTF>Hi. Did the way fdisk aligns partitions change between Lenny and Squeeze?
16:58<XTF>Wanted to resize one, but that didn't work so well... :p
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17:21<bighornram>I'm trying to configure exim to send email but my recipient's email is listed in "defered addresses" and doesnt' get sent. recipient is a account. I have port 25 outgoing open in iptables and can ping this is a cli machine running squeeze
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17:22<sahko>what is severity grave in the BTS? invalid?
17:23<sahko>its listed between critical and serious so it must be something else
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17:24<sahko>thanks, that particular one i was looking at is also invalid:)
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17:39<Gurka>ej hej
17:39<seb_>how are you ?
17:39<acu>anyone can recommend a simple tool for apache webserver statistics- how many hits per site - when - where from ?
17:40<seb_>one and one statistic
17:40<acu>seb_ what is your question - there are 489 people on this channel hopefully not all will answer :)
17:41<acu>or you are a bot ?
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17:41<seb_>i am french
17:41<acu>worse :)
17:42<seb_>but the problem is than on the channel french debian no people speak with me
17:42<acu>what is your question
17:42<acu>seb: and do not swear
17:42<seb_>mm my backlight on my screen
17:42<seb_>how change this
17:43<seb_>i use xbacklight but not reponse
17:44<amphi>do you have anything useful under /sys/class/backlight/ ?
17:44<devil>seb_: what does xbacklight -get say?
17:44<AzaToth>I reecently encountered the year 2038 problem in openssl ヾ
17:45<bighornram>what ports do I need to open with iptables for my squeezebox to send mail via smtp?
17:45<AzaToth>tried to create a certificate with days 9999 :-P
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17:45<AzaToth>suddenly the cert expired 1902
17:46<amphi>AzaToth: heh
17:46<seb_>i no file xbacklight in /sys/class
17:46<tuzok>bighornram: are you sure you're filtering outgoint connections?
17:46<devil>seb_: so you do get a response from it
17:46<amphi>seb_: *backlight* not xbacklight
17:46<bighornram>tuzok: yes, though i get failures with table running, when off it sends.
17:46<bighornram>tuzok: not sure what is blocking
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17:47<seb_>i access to the /sys/class/backlight
17:47<bighornram>tuzok: i opened tcp 25 out but fails
17:47<AzaToth>amphi: actually we had that creation of certs functional (for testing), until some days ago
17:47<seb_>and xbacklight -get >> 12.5000
17:47<seb_>so my light ....
17:47<devil>seb_: xbacklight -set 100
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17:47<seb_>not change
17:48<seb_>it's crazy
17:48<amphi>seb_: is there anything useful in /sys/class/backlight/ or a subdir ?
17:48<amphi>seb_: what laptop is this?
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17:48<seb_>a subdir
17:48<seb_>2 subdir
17:48<seb_> acpi_video0 acpi_video1
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17:49<tuzok>bighornram: I would start with allowing all outgoing connections (not only to port 25)
17:49<amphi>files like brightness and actual_brightness in either?
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17:50<bighornram>tuzok: actually going that way right now. with logging
17:50<seb_>in acpi_video0
17:50<seb_>and actual_brightness
17:50<seb_>other fille...
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17:51<amphi>seb_: what does cat max_brightness say?
17:51<amphi>seb_: and cat actual_brightness
17:51<seb_>cat m[...] )=> 8
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17:51<seb_>cat actu[..] >> 8
17:52<amphi>max_brightness is 8 ?
17:52<seb_>yes and so this in acpi_video0
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17:52<seb_>but i have two folder acpi_video1 it's other
17:52<amphi>seb_: does it dim if you do 'echo 5 > brighness' ?
17:53<amphi>seb_: and is the value then reflected in actual_brightness ?
17:53<tuzok>Is there anyone sucessfully running Squeeze with radeon driver with display connected to DisplayPort?
17:53<seb_>echo 5 > brightness in folder acpi_video0 or acpi_video1
17:53<amphi>seb_: who knows? try one, and if no effect, try the other
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17:54<seb_>le file change and 5 in brightness
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17:54<seb_>but my light no change
17:54<seb_>i'ts driver so ?
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17:54<amphi>seb_: did you try this in both directories?
17:55<seb_>yes 2
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17:55<seb_>crazy because with my backtrack distribution or ubuntu, it's ok
17:55<amphi>seb_: perhaps have a look at and for your laptop model - you may find some info to help with this
17:56<webmind_org>Hi everyone, does someone know howto disable the gnome-keyring ?
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17:58<acu>webmind_org: you are right - it sucks big time - connecting with remina to it - that keyring prevents connection - I hope someone will answer your question
17:58<webmind_org>acu yeah i have the same problem...........
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17:59<acu>I did not google it - but I think keyring is such common - pretty sure takes 5 min max to get it fixed :)
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17:59<webmind_org>i did goole it but nothing worked
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18:02<sahko>what does it mean when in the aptitude ncurses frontend some package is listed under the Not Installed Packages category?
18:03<babilen>webmind_org: You might want to try #gnome on
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18:07<retrospectacus>sahko, I think it means the package is not installed.
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18:08<sahko>retrospectacus: so is the rest of the Debian distribution but theres only 3 packages listed there. the rest are listed under "New Packages"
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18:08<babilen>sahko: forget new :)
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18:08<sahko>i dont care about new, i care about not installed :)
18:08<babilen>sahko: as in "aptitude forget-new"
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18:08<sahko>oh, let me see
18:09<babilen>sahko: I am sure you can do it from within the ncurses interface as well, have a look
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18:13<sahko>ok, that fixed it, thanks:)
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18:18<retrospectacus>never used the aptitude ncurses thing
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18:21<sahko>i was considering adding synaptic cause it has a grouped view of packages. that why i fired up the ncurses interface to see if it covers my needs instead
18:23<babilen>aptitude-gtk is worth a look too
18:23<ml|_>fwiw, I find aptitude ncurses useful at times
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18:31<klh>I get some troubles with lighttpd and php, It worked fine with Lenny but now with squeeze each *.php file return "403 - Forbidden". I checked alternatives for php-cgi, it is ok and fastcgi-php module is properly loaded by lighttpd. I don't see where is the problem...
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18:33<costas>hello all
18:34<costas>the upgrade went fine BUT (my ancient ATI Radeon didn't work so I decided to clean install debian 6 with an ISO DVD I got,,,,,
18:35<costas>the problem: It seems to hang and my keyboard caps and scroll led flashes...
18:35<costas>any ideas?
18:35<costas>I log into here using my Ubuntu studio OS...
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18:36<costas>It looks like I'll install it again and be EXTRA careful about the parameters...
18:36<costas>After all I use Debian since it first came out and love it...
18:37<costas>anyone here?
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18:37<ompaul>lots we are just reading that you use debian since 93
18:37<adb>'97 ?
18:37<ompaul>so I'm a tad lazy
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18:38<costas>back then I had to buy the CDs since we greeks had 56kbit connections...
18:38<costas>I bought the fiirst spextrum zx here in greece...
18:39<costas>#spectrum ZX
18:39<ompaul>Debian was first announced on 16 August 1993
18:39<costas>yep ompaul you are correct
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18:40<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
18:41<costas>my installation probably failed because I was too tired to disable ATI in the first place in order to get the proprietary drivers later on
18:42<costas>My Ubuntu still got no sound, god damn alsaconf is gone nowadays... I'll fix this first and fix debian later
18:43<costas>anyone remembers the hotkeys about bypassing X -before the gdm starts?
18:43<ompaul>why not just install debian and fix that the way you want rather than straddling a fence and having two half working installs
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18:43<ompaul>costas: you mean init 3 ?
18:43<ompaul>after gdm starts stop it
18:44<costas>ompaul, It takes a lot of time but I'll probably do that and fix it with an expert install, slowly but thoroughly
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18:44<costas>time out, smoking time
18:44<costas>I got comfortably numb with gnome and haven't used bash a lot due to work
18:45<doubledutch>If any of you all use Pandora radio -- check out the Debian package "pianobar". It's an awesome, console-based controller for your Pandora account/stations! You can even use it with your monitor turned off!!!
18:45<costas>-still have my ancient notes about configuring my ancient (and thrown) nvidia via dpkg-reconfigure xaxaxaxaxa
18:46<costas>those were the days people, we built custom kernels for fun and speed
18:46<costas>doubledutch, interesting thanks
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18:46<costas>!beer doubledutch
18:46*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for doubledutch
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18:47<costas>Debian 6 works flawlessly on my laptop...
18:47<babilen>costas: Sorry to interrupt, but why don't you boot into your Debian and work on fixing your problem?
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18:47<costas>I'm smoking man, will do on a sec, give me some slack, I just got home from work
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18:49<weedeater64>lenny > squeeze vs install squeeze, discuss
18:49<ompaul>weedeater64: just do squeeze and get more
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18:50*babilen squeezes weedeater64
18:50<costas>it would be interesting to investigate the source of my failure to boot debian after a cleen swueeze install maby I'll bugtrack the errors so newbies will learn...
18:50*ompaul squeezes squeeze into weedeater64's box
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18:51<webmind_org>squeeze is fine nice and good.
18:51<babilen>webmind_org: got an answer?
18:51<ompaul>squeeze is da one you know you should
18:51<webmind_org>nop, only for ssh
18:52<webmind_org>tail -4 /usr/share/doc/gnome-keyring/README.Debian
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18:53<webmind_org>but still it's only on first boot, i can live with it........... cause debian runs always after the first boot !
18:54<costas>squeeze is stable like a rock on my laptop, will be back after I fix my desktop peeps, beers to all
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18:54<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110215, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc4-git8, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc4, stable 2.6: 2.6.37 , stable 2.6.36: , longterm 2.6.35: , stable 2.6.35: , longterm 2.6.34: , stable 2.6.34: , longterm 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.32: , longterm 2.6.27: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
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19:01<sorin>who want to suck my dick?
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19:01<sorin>hey loosers
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19:02<dolphin>hello everyone
19:02<amphi>what a 'loosers' ?
19:02<amphi>er, are
19:03<nevyn>someone who looses things?
19:03<streuner__>no, some people who dont win...
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19:03<amphi>nevyn: heh
19:04<dolphin>hello can anyone tell me how to install f.lux on debian squeeze
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19:04<dolphin>i am nab
19:04<dolphin>F.lux fixes this: it makes the color of your computer's display adapt to the time of day, warm at night and like sunlight during the day.
19:05<amphi>dolphin: you could do that with a script and xgamma
19:05<streuner__>nevyn: exactly :-)
19:05<dolphin>umm i am nab
19:06<themill>,info redshift
19:06<judd>Package redshift (x11, extra) in squeeze/i386: Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. Version: 1.2-3; Size: 18.4k; Installed: 112k; Homepage:
19:06<themill>if you can't be bothered writing it yourself
19:06<dolphin>i am going to try redshift
19:06<dolphin>and xgamma
19:06<dolphin>u guys are great
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19:08<jhutchins_lt>dolphin: Doesn't look like it's open source.
19:08<vi12us>please help me enable kms radeon
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19:08<vi12us>everything is good to go just need to enable it some how
19:08<amphi>vi12us: is there a radeon-kms.conf or so in /etc/modprobe.d ?
19:09<vi12us>ill check
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19:09<jhutchins_lt>dolphin: You can try installing it via the instructions on their web page, but if it breaks something you get to keep all the pieces.
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19:10<vi12us>amphi: yes there is a a radeon.kms.conf
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19:10<jhutchins_lt>dolphin: Redshift looks like the one you want, xgamma is manual.
19:10<vi12us>mode set to
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19:11<amphi>I have intel here, and the equiv. file contains "options i915 modeset=1" - I would think that replacing 'i915' with 'radeon' and putting that in that file will do it
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19:11<vi12us>yeah thats all done already but i get this
19:12<jhutchins_lt>Yowch - 15 security updates.
19:12<dolphin>F.lux fixes this: it makes the color of your computer's display adapt to the time of day, warm at night and like sunlight during the day.
19:12<vi12us>grep DRM_RADEON /boot/config-$(uname -r)
19:12<dolphin>redshift -l gnome-clock
19:12<dolphin>No clock applet was found.
19:12<dolphin>Initialization of gnome-clock failed.
19:12<vi12us># CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set
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19:12<vi12us>maybe i need that libgl1 file
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19:13<vi12us>yeah i think i need libgl1-mesa-dri
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19:13<vi12us>not the problem thats already installed
19:14<themill>dolphin: "redshift -l 41 20 -t 6500:4200" should work for you
19:14<amphi>vi12us: that CONFIG_ option just means modeset=0 by default as far as I know
19:15<dolphin>root@c3ntr4l:~# redshift -l 41 20 -t 6500:4200
19:15<dolphin>Unknown location provider `41'.
19:15<dolphin>how do you know my position ? :D
19:16<themill>dolphin: your IP address; -l should take a lat+long... but perhaps it wants it as a decimal
19:16<amphi>dolphin: we watch your every movement
19:17<vi12us>amphi: when i try to enable my desktop effects this is what i get: movement
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19:17<amphi>vi12us: movement?
19:17<vi12us>oops ill type it
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19:17<amphi>'desktop effects' means compiz?
19:17<babilen>dolphin: "-l 41:20"
19:18<Sanders>hey everybody, how do you install Nvidia drivers in Debian 6
19:18<vi12us>failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. settings will be reverted to their previous values. check your x configuration
19:18<streuner__>Sanders: /msg dpkg nvidia
19:18<vi12us>sorry about the movement thing tried to past it out
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19:19<dolphin>babilen that worked , but my screen got to much Hot red
19:20<themill>babilen: ahh... good point :)
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19:20<dolphin>oot@c3ntr4l:~# redshift -l 41:20
19:20<dolphin>Gamma ramp size too small: 0
19:20<dolphin>Failed to start adjustment method randr.
19:20<dolphin>Trying next method...
19:20<dolphin>Using method `vidmode'.
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19:20<streuner__>it work here, but not in FN :-)
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19:21<Sanders>streuner__, hmmmm nothen.....maby i shouldnt of use ubuntu to long
19:21<vi12us>i dont see a configuration file though /etc/X11
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19:21<themill>dolphin: adjust the colour temperature you want. you might find 4200K too cold at first. (please don't paste into the channel)
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19:22<streuner__>Sanders: why do you want change?
19:22<vi12us>whats that command in terminal : dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg-config
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19:22<streuner__>dpkg-reconfigure <package>
19:23<streuner__>if it supports debconf...
19:23<Sanders>streuner__, becuase i want to use Debian for awhile
19:24<streuner__>well, easy is just VESA or nv, if you dont need 3D
19:24<EagleRock>Sanders: that's a good enough reason for me :-)
19:25<Sanders>but i cant seem to get the nvidia driver i need......becuase i dont know how to
19:25<EagleRock>Sanders: This might help:
19:25<EagleRock>say the module-assistant method is a clean way of doing it
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19:27<vi12us>still suck like chuck
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19:27<EagleRock>Sanders: actually, this is the link I meant to give you:
19:27<EagleRock>brings you right to the section I meant
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19:27<vi12us>failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. settings will be reverted to their previous values. check your x configuration
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19:29<babilen>!tell Sanders -about nvidia
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19:30<babilen>Sanders: you want different procedures depending on your card. Take a look at the package description first. You can then try the respective one-liner
19:30<dolphin>ok redshift works fine , thank you for the help
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19:36<vi12us>i noticed i dont have a xorg.conf is this normal
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19:37<justin__>aww cmon stil no nvidia driver
19:37<klh>yes vi12us
19:37<vi12us>klh could you help with a problem?
19:37<babilen>!tell vi12us about empty xorg.conf
19:37<babilen>vi12us: Just ask :)
19:38<vi12us>failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. settings will be reverted to their previous values. check your x configuration
19:38<vi12us>im checking out the xorg squeeze configure now
19:39<klh>vi12us, nvidia card ?
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19:40<babilen>it might help if you actually specify which "desktop effects" this is talking about, which desktop environment/window manager/whatever you are using. which graphic card you have (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) and so on ...
19:40<amphi>vi12us: what does 'glxinfo | grep rendering' say?
19:40<klh>vi12us, sorry I can't help you, if you want some desktop effects you probably need non-free drivers
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19:40<vi12us>glxinfo command not found
19:40<babilen>vi12us: An educated guess: Do you have libgl1-mesa and firmware-radeon installed?
19:40<dpkg>[radeon] a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
19:41<babilen>libgl1-mesa-dri that is
19:41<vi12us>yes babilen
19:42<vi12us>well its not firmware-radeon its radeon driver sumthing or other its installed though
19:42<babilen>vi12us: btw, glxinfo is in the "mesa-utils" package
19:42<babilen>!tell vi12us -about apt-file
19:42<vi12us>sounds good
19:43<vi12us>you guys are very helpful
19:43<babilen>vi12us: I don't understand what you said.
19:43<babilen>the "firmware-radeon its radeon driver sumthing or other" part :)
19:43<justin__>ok im just not able to get xorg working
19:43<vi12us>the radeon firmware is installed
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19:45<vi12us>direct rendering: Yes
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19:45<vi12us>my video driver ATI Technologies Inc M58 [Radeon Mobility X1800]
19:46<babilen>so, which "desktop effects" are we talking about here and what are the requirements of those? you obviously don't meet them. Could you paste the complete output of glxinfo to please?
19:47<vi12us>grep DRM_RADEON /boot/config-$(uname -r)
19:47<vi12us># CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set
19:47<babilen>Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log might also be interesting
19:47<vi12us>oh thats in the system settings under desktop general enable desktop effects
19:47<vi12us>babilen looking now
19:48<sret>if the system is frozen how do yo restore it?
19:48<sret>something's stuck after i opened evolution and nowthe whole thing has just frozen
19:48<babilen>vi12us: Which desktop environment?
19:48<EagleRock>sret: control + alt + f1?
19:49<vi12us>its kde
19:49<babilen>!tell sret aboout magic sysrq
19:49<sret>that just gets me outta gdm
19:49<babilen>sret: typically "REISUB" (see wikipedia)
19:49<babilen>sret: So the system is not frozen?
19:50<sret>well i can ge tto vt
19:50<babilen>vi12us: Sorry, no idea about KDE and what it needs.
19:50<sret>but in gdm things are stuck from the looks of it
19:50<sret>after i opened evolution
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19:50<babilen>sret: Well, then the system is not frozen. *Don't* do the REISUB thing then ;)
19:50<sret>ok what do i do then
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19:50<EagleRock>sret: you can restart the DM from the command line
19:50<babilen>vi12us: you xorg.log and/or glxinfo output might provide clues though
19:51<sret>ctrl alt f7 right?
19:51<EagleRock>sret: that brings you back to the DE, but it will still be frozen
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19:51<babilen>sret: You could run "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" (or gdm3 if you have that installed) to restart the login manager (and x with it)
19:51<vi12us>babilen thank you looking through the logs now hoping to find a clue
19:51<babilen>sret: And yes, ctrl-alt-f7 (or f8 due to bug) should bring you back
19:52<babilen>vi12us: -- you might also want to ask in #kde on -- But I just think that you need hardware rendering. If you would actually paste the glxinfo output I could take a look too
19:53<justin__>arg nothen is working
19:53<sret>ah that works thanks babilen
19:53<sret>that was weird, why would it get stuck like that?
19:54<sret>it happened after i started evolution and was about to mail when it asked me for a key pass to login to evolution and it froze
19:55<vi12us>babilen sounds good
19:55<sret>if i install gdm3
19:56<sret>would it replace gdm automatically or i need to do this?
19:56<sret>besides is it necssary i move to gdm3?
19:56<babilen>aeh, the former
19:57<sret>its necessary?
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19:57<sret>imean less bugs or someting? just wondering
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19:57<babilen>it will be necessary in the future. not necessarily now and I dislike gdm3 due to #590534
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19:57<sret>ok sweet thanks :D
19:58<vi12us>babilen: how about this name of display : :0 :0.0 and display: :0 screen: 0 is this right?
19:58<babilen>vi12us: no paste?
19:58<vi12us>okay ill paste it out
19:59<vi12us>thank you again for your time
19:59<babilen>just to make sure, you have libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-radeon installed, don't you?
20:00<babilen>ok, that looks ok
20:00<vi12us>couldnt find firmware-radeon i have xserver-xorg-radeon-drv
20:00<justin__>ok guys can someone tell me why i cant get xorg to work
20:00<babilen>no, it does not :-\
20:00<babilen>"OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer"
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20:01<babilen>justin__: need more details
20:01<babilen>vi12us: line 29
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20:01<vi12us>oh yeah whats that about
20:02<vi12us>sounds like someones sticking something in my koolaid and apple sauce
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20:02<justin__>babilen, i install nouveau and it isnt working and i did the xorg install and nothen happen
20:02<babilen>It means that you don't have hardware rendering, which you most likely need for kde to work
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20:02<babilen>!tell justin__ -about nvidia
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20:03<babilen>justin__: Read the package deskcriptions and ask dpkg about the appropriate nvidia dkms one-liner
20:03<vi12us>sounds about right
20:03<vi12us>im going to google this real quick
20:04<babilen>vi12us: It might be that hw rendering is not supported for you card yet -- check -- you could also try the non-free fglrx driver -- /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner squeeze
20:05<justin__>hmmm i need 3d support and nouveau dosent do 3d....i need to get the non-free driver
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20:05<babilen>vi12us: Your xorg.log contains more information about the reasons. mesa-dri and firmware is installed, yes?
20:06<costas>Fixed it, Debian Squeeze rocks... as usual!!!
20:06<vi12us>i think i need to get firmware-linux
20:06<babilen>justin__: yes, select the right one-liner for your card and run it
20:06<dpkg>Install <nouveau> or the appropriate <dkms> package in non-free for your card, ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
20:06<gsimmons>babilen: fglrx (WRT squeeze) will not support vi12us' R520-based device.
20:06<babilen>justin__: ^^^^
20:06<gsimmons>dpkg: tell vi12us -about radeon firmware
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20:06<babilen>so, its late and i'm off ...
20:06<vi12us>oh might have fixed it
20:07<babilen>what might?
20:07<vi12us>babilen thank you so much just needed firmware-linux some reason wasnt installed
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20:07<vi12us>thank you for you time and have a great night
20:07<babilen>hence my constand questions about firmware
20:07<babilen>good night
20:08<vi12us>yeah good call
20:08<vi12us>good night
20:08<vi12us>lol thats so awesome your the best
20:08<babilen>i'm not
20:09<babilen>enjoy it though :)
20:09<vi12us>i will thank you
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20:10<costas>!beer babilen
20:10*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Yuengling Lager for babilen
20:10*EagleRock likes dpkg's taste in beer :-)
20:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see
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20:11*babilen replaces Yuengling with Budweiser Budvar and is happy
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20:13<justin__>arg still nothen what am i doing wrong
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20:14<justin__>im about to just switch back to ubuntu since im ether not doing it right or to stupied to do it
20:15<costas>justin__: what's your problem?
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20:15<justin__>costas, i cant seem to get the nvidia driver i need and i tried every thing
20:15<babilen>justin__: tell us what you have done and what is not working. out crystal balls are not working that great tonight
20:15<babilen>so, which dkms package did you install?
20:16<justin__>babilen, idk i installed so many things i have no clue how to tell you
20:16<justin__>i fallowed many instructions and yet nothen
20:16<dpkg>Install <nouveau> or the appropriate <dkms> package in non-free for your card, ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
20:16<babilen>installed anything from the nvidia site?
20:17<justin__>i just got the linux download for it but im not sure hw to install it
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20:18<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
20:18<babilen>yeah, so again: there are 3 options (<nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>) depending on your card (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) -- run that one-liner and you should be fine
20:18<dpkg>[radeonhd] the alternative open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). #radeonhd on See also <radeon>, <radeon vs radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
20:18<babilen>justin__: don't install the driver from their download
20:18<babilen>costas: /msg dpkg radeon works wonderful
20:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 482] by debhelper
20:19<justin__>well ok hmmm i like using the 173xx driver so how can i get that one installed
20:19<babilen>this has nothing to do with your taste
20:19<babilen>you need one of the three depending on your card
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20:19<justin__>its more is a cheap laptop gpu lol
20:19<justin__>the nvidia 7000m
20:19<babilen>if it is fairly new you need <nvidia dkms> -- just read the package descriptions
20:20<costas>justin__: babilen is correct follow the debian specific method and you'll be fine
20:20<justin__>*sigh* ok link it to me one more time and ill do that
20:20<justin__>and i wont get side tracked
20:21<babilen>justin__: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
20:21<babilen>justin__: that will get you your card
20:22<justin__>nvidia geforce 7000m/610m
20:22<costas>is it possible for my ATI card to work fine with a new installation... amazing squeeze.
20:23<babilen>"aptitude show nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms" will tell you something about the packages
20:24<babilen>then run one of the one-liners (one command!) in <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> or <nvidia dkms-96xx>
20:24<justin__>babilen....still stupied here
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20:26<justin__>babilen, well since its one commands can you give it to me since i ben sitting here reading page after page of useless stuff
20:27<babilen>i don't know which card you have -- if you would provide the output of the lspci -nn|grep -i vga command that would change
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20:27<ml|_>justin__: you need to follow nvidia dkms ... /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
20:28<babilen>you then take a look at the pacakge descriptions and check if you need one of the legacy version (the cards are listed there) -- you then /msg dpkg nvidia dkms -- which will give you a one-liner tat installs and configures the driver
20:28<ml|_>babilen: he said ... < justin__> nvidia geforce 7000m/610m
20:28*babilen is off to bed ...
20:28<ml|_>babilen: good night
20:29<justin__>im going crazy here
20:29<costas>good night babilen
20:29<ml|_>!nvidia dkms
20:29<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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20:29<ml|_>justin__: ^^ read and follow that ^^
20:29*babilen thinks you need to spoonfeed :)
20:30<babilen>good luck and cya around
20:30<costas>justin__: follow the commands ml|_ said man, it's easy
20:30<justin__>yes please sppon feed me it lol......i been awake for 3 days doing random stuff
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20:30<babilen>get sleep and work on it tomorrow
20:30<costas>!coffee justin__:
20:30*dpkg decants a fine mug of organic Jamaican Blue Mountain for justin__:, courtesy of costas
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20:31<ml|_>!sleep justin__
20:31<justin__>no i will not sleep intill i get this fixed
20:31<babilen>!non-free sources
20:31<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
20:31<babilen>justin__: do that ^^^^^
20:32<justin__>if this dosent work im gonna stab you with a pastic spoon
20:32<babilen>and run the command in the one-liner ... it is *one* command ... it starts with aptitude -r and ends with .conf ...
20:32<quant>hi, I'm a bit confused with this: I know that using apt-get and aptitude together can cause problems, but can I get problems if I use apt-get in terminal and occasinally Synaptic Package Manager from Gnome and also Software Manager (from Ubuntu) in Gnome too?
20:32<babilen>one line, one command one solution
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20:33<sret>just wondering in root can an admin place restrictions for root users too?
20:33<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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20:34<sret>such as say as root i was listing pkgs installed on debian and mid way if it stops listing could this be because of a restriction on root users?
20:34<ml|_>costas: /msg dpkg selftell please
20:34<dpkg>[radeon] a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
20:34<justin__>*smash head on my desk*
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20:34<justin__>ok im off to bed i cant do this tonight
20:34<ml|_>good, good night
20:35<justin__>yeah ill do this tomarrow with a fresh start
20:35<chealer>dpkg: no, nvidia is <reply>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . Asking me about <nouveau>, <nvidia m-a>, <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia dkms-173xx> or <nvidia dkms-96xx> might also work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
20:35<dpkg>chealer: okay
20:35<sret>i was trying this on a remote machine as root and it stopped listing mid way , among other things like checking a version of python or something, it would list bit and then freeze, wont even go to prompt. could this be because of restrictions on root/
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20:35<babilen>chealer: hmm?
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20:36<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx one-liner squeeze>, <fglrx one-liner lenny> or see . #ati on
20:36<babilen>costas: stop it
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20:36<chealer>quant: aptitude has been largely fixed in that regard. it may still have a non-standard hold but that's about it.
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20:37<babilen>chealer: why the change -- the version before was much clearer and the wiki article is too long and does not even mention dkms
20:37<quant>chealer, having in mind Synaptic, Software manager, apt-get and aptitude, which of those can be used interchangeably, if you get me?
20:37<ml|_>chealer: thanks for adding <nvidia m-a>
20:37<babilen>chealer: nor xorg.conf.d and other things (and the article has been mentioned in the factoid before)
20:38<dpkg>i heard irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
20:38<chealer>babilen: I just don't want people to follow the nvidia factoids.
20:38<babilen>!tell costas -about selftell
20:38<sret>babilen: any idea on what i asked ?
20:38<babilen>chealer: why not?
20:39<chealer>babilen: dkms isn't necessary, similarly the factoids lack many things
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20:39<chealer>babilen: why do you think the wiki article is too long?
20:39<ml|_>I think that people should read the wiki and learn
20:40<costas>damn irssi can't go back so I can read and copy commands... >&-D
20:40<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
20:40<chealer>babilen: they've always worked half of the time, if people follow them we'll get swamped by unpleasant support requests
20:40<ml|_>costas: STOP please
20:40<dpkg>[radeonhd] the alternative open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). #radeonhd on See also <radeon>, <radeon vs radeonhd>, <fglrx>.
20:40<EagleRock>costas: is there a particular reason you are not PMing dpkg with your questions?
20:41<costas>sorry, I'm new to this chat, how do you PM these? /msg?
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20:41<doubledutch>costas: yes.
20:41<chealer>babilen: it's also quite unclear which factoid to choose... unless you'd have already installed the drivers for the card
20:41<abrotman>costas: /msg dpkg foo
20:41<ml|_> < ml|_> costas: /msg dpkg selftell please
20:41<costas>thanks, and sorry to spam
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20:42<babilen>chealer: The latter can't really be helped. The former is unclear and seems to indicate that dkms is buggy and not working as opposed to m-a .. Is that what you are getting at?
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20:42<costas>good night all, and thanks... !beer
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20:43<chealer>!nvidia m-a
20:43<dpkg>[nvidia m-a] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude -r install nvidia-glx && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. See also <nvidia>.
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20:44<chealer>babilen: sorry, what do you refer to with "the former"?
20:44<babilen>chealer: I don't quite see how that is an answer to my question ...
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20:45<babilen>chealer: "they've always worked half of ..."
20:45<ml|_>dpkg: nvidia
20:45<dpkg>it has been said that nvidia is Install <nouveau> or the appropriate <dkms> package in non-free for your card, ask me about <nvidia dkms> <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. Ask about <nvidia lenny> for <oldstable> procedures. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
20:46<babilen>I don't mind getting the m-a factoid in there as well though ...
20:46<chealer>babilen: well, I mean the "one-liner" factoids are always designed only for some cases.
20:46<babilen>This feels like a wave from d-d ... m-a vs dkms :)
20:47<ml|_>I think m-a should be there, for others that do not want dkms
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20:47<chealer>babilen: my change was not intended in any way to put people away from dkms
20:47<babilen>chealer: So installing and configuring one of the dkms packages will fail, but not the m-a?
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20:48<ml|_>fwiw, I prefer chealer's version
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20:49<chealer>babilen: that's not what I'm saying. what I did was mainly to put the wiki page first and the one-liners second, all one-liners have issues
20:49<userhelpneeded> #cheggi
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20:50<ml|_><dpkg> To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . Asking me about <nouveau>, <nvidia m-a>, <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia dkms-173xx> or <nvidia dkms-96xx> might also work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures.
20:50<ml|_> Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.neti).
20:50<ml|_>chealer's version^ incase it was missed
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20:50<babilen>nothing was missed ...
20:51<chealer>quant: you can use all of them, the only ones I know that aren't standard are aptitude and Synaptic
20:51<chealer>quant: Synaptic just has its own way of setting the default release
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20:52<quant>chealer, hm, so I can use, e.g., apt-get and aptitude interchangeably?
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20:52<chealer>quant: yes. I believe standard frontend will ignore aptitude holds, but holds are a relatively rarely used feature
20:52<babilen>chealer: One motivatio was that I have seen many rants about the wiki page and it does not even discuss dkms or xorg.conf.d .... hence the one-liners.
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20:53<quant>chealer, some Debian Wiki articles are using aptitude, that's why I'm confused at the moment (I'm usually using apt-get myself)
20:53<quant>chealer, thanks
20:53<babilen>chealer: Anyway ... I was just wondering what the "might" was about ...
20:53<ml|_>quant: better to stick with one or the other, to avoid potential problems
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20:53<chealer>babilen: as I said, dkms is not necessary. xorg.conf.d is not neither
20:54<babilen>what is necessary? :)
20:54<chealer>babilen: everyone is free to add a dkms section to the wiki page, that would be welcome
20:54<babilen>yes, sure ... that page needs a major overhaul
20:54<quant>chealer and ml|_: will this type of thing work with apt-get? apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
20:55<chealer>babilen: you need one method for installing the LKMs. m-a is one
20:55<ml|_>I can confirm that dkms and xorg.conf.d is not necessary
20:55<babilen>quant: yes it will ... the sed part is unrelated to apt-get
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20:55<quant>thanks all, I'm around 50% less confused now
20:55<chealer>quant: presumably, you'll notice if it doesn't anyway
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20:56<babilen>quant: Just use them interchangeably ... there are reasons to use either, but keep in mind that apt-get does not support some of aptitude's search or dependency magic
20:57<chealer>babilen: as for the rants you red, it would be interesting to hear them if they're constructive
20:57<chealer>babilen: the might is about the one-liners only working in some cases. for example, I don't think any of these one-liners will work for custom kernels
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20:58<babilen>chealer: That page is just way too long and quite hard to read. Really hard to read. And it does not even mention all methods or discusses their merits.
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20:58<chealer>babilen: the one-liners also don't mention all methods. I would say the page discusses the merits of each method
20:59<ml|_>the wiki page is fine, of course it can always be improved
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20:59<chealer>babilen: I'm pretty sure the page isn't harder to read than the one-liners, but if something is hard to read, it can be discussed and/or fixed
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21:00<chealer>babilen: I don't think the page is really too long. I see little that can be removed, and length is not a problem per se, the page is built so readers only read a small part of it.
21:00<babilen>chealer: I completely agree. You have to make some assumptions though and one of them is "people are using a Debian kernel or know what they are doing" (for example) ...
21:01<chealer>babilen: but again, if you think anything can be removed, it can be discussed
21:01<babilen>chealer: I also think that nvidia-xconfig shouldn't really be an endorsed method if all you need and the preferred method is a snippet in xorg.conf.d
21:02<babilen>chealer: btw -- this is getting a bit too meta to be on-topic and I'm tired ...
21:02<chealer>babilen: FWIW, custom kernels can be Debian kernels
21:02<babilen>chealer: you know what i mean
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21:02<chealer>babilen: nvidia-xconfig is not recommended by the wiki page, unless I'm missing something, it's just explained
21:02<babilen>yes, correct
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21:03<babilen>Have you written that page by chance?
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21:04<babilen>ah, yes. :)
21:04<chealer>babilen: I didn't, but I maintain it
21:04<chealer>babilen: yes, go sleep. feel free to bring it up anytime
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21:06<ml|_>babilen: good night ;)
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21:07<streuner__>Let him alone, otherwise he wouldnt go to bed :-)
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21:08<streuner__>and its late in europe now
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21:09<dolphin>how come a lot of libraries are not found in debian :(
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21:09<streuner__>give us more details, please
21:10<dolphin>i am testing inguma .. and it requires some libraries like impacket ,scapy ,paramiko
21:10<dolphin>sorry for my english
21:10<streuner__>judd, versions inguma
21:10<judd>Package inguma on i386 -- lenny:; sid:; squeeze:; wheezy:
21:11<streuner__>hm, strange according to judd
21:11<dolphin>i am doing apt-get install paramiko and no results
21:11<streuner__>sounds like a sources.list problem
21:11<streuner__>judd, versions paramiko
21:11<judd>Sorry, no package named 'paramiko' was found in i386.
21:11<streuner__>no wonder then
21:12<Nemoder>why not just install the inguma package?
21:12<dolphin>dident try that
21:12<dolphin>inguma found :D
21:12<dolphin>i am starting to love debian
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21:13<dolphin>thank you a lot guys
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21:23<mercutio22>How can I install every package with name compiz on it?
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21:24<abrotman>aptitude install '~ncompiz'
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21:25<dolphin>arping: 'module' object has no attribute 'conf'
21:25<dolphin>AUTOSCAN ERROR: 'hosts'
21:25<dolphin>i got this error when running inguma
21:25<dolphin>what does that mean ? i am very stupid
21:26<mercutio22>streuner__: abrotman: weird... this seems to pull way more than compiz
21:27<abrotman>let me double check .. may have gotten te wrong short name
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21:27<abrotman>mercutio22: it will pull dependeencies
21:28<mercutio22>abrotman: maybe I am pulling some kde stuff as well
21:28<mercutio22>abrotman: alright, thanks though
21:28*streuner__ stops to simulate after installing about 1000 packages :-)
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21:29<streuner__>dpkg, listkeys compiz
21:29<quant>on my almost-fresh install of Squeeze when I try to apt-get remove empathy apt-get suggest to remove the entire gnome package! same thing with aptitude... I've only been using apt-get so far, any ideas, please?
21:29<dpkg>Factoid search of 'compiz' by key (3): compiz ;; #debian compiz ;; _default compiz.
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21:31<amphi>quant: is not just removing the gnome metapakage?
21:31<quant>amphi, this: empathy gnome gnome-desktop-environment
21:31<amphi>that's all?
21:31<quant>amphi, yup
21:32<amphi>if it were removing all of gnome, you would see a huge number of packages to be removed
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21:32<quant>amphi, gnome-desktop-enviroment and gnome-core sound pretty essential to me
21:32<streuner__>dpkg, install gnome
21:32<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
21:33<quant>amphi, gnome-core was suggested for remove by aptitude
21:33<amphi>gnome-core too is a metapackage
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21:34<babilen>that factoid is a bit dated (should mention gnome-session)
21:34<quant>amphi, so you suggest I choose "yes" for removal of that
21:34<streuner__>babilen: heh
21:34<streuner__>babilen: gnome-session is a meta-package?
21:34<streuner__>or what do you mean?
21:34<amphi>quant: doesn't matter, unless it's going to remove a bunch more stuff
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21:35<sahko>gnome-session doesnt include evolution, like the 'minimal' gnome-core, nice
21:36<streuner__>but just try to remove evolution ;-)
21:36<babilen>sahko: exactly
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21:36<sahko>still it has polkit though :p
21:37<quant>aptitude remove empathy -> I get gnome and gnome-desktop-enviroment suggested for removal
21:37<streuner__>its ok
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21:37<streuner__>you are always able to remove meta-packages
21:38<quant>ok, thanks
21:39<i_didnt_know_she_was_12>trying to download web directory using wget, but the files I need (which I know are there) don't appear in the download. help
21:40*abrotman is pretty sure babilen should be asleep
21:41<babilen>abrotman: hehe :)
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21:42<sahko>@ the email
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21:42<streuner__>abrotman: keep in mind, you are without work then ;-)
21:43<streuner__>well, now babilen goes in one hour to bed :-P
21:44<streuner__>there are some good examples in man/tkinfo/info wget?
21:44<babilen>sluts? nice ..
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21:45<i_didnt_know_she_was_12>i tried wget http://someurl/ -nc
21:45<streuner__>nah, just read the examples of the man/info page
21:46<streuner__>they are pretty good
21:46*abrotman has a good mind to drive up 476 and knock some sense into a kid
21:47<i_didnt_know_she_was_12>ah where do i find that
21:48<i_didnt_know_she_was_12>i know, i like to pretend i am a pirate too
21:49<i_didnt_know_she_was_12>sometimes i put a parrot on my. well you know...
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21:49<i_didnt_know_she_was_12>but seriously where do i find the man thing
21:50<streuner__>just "man wget" in a terminal
21:50<streuner__>or "info wget"
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22:12<mib_40wjl4>hi everybody !
22:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:13<mib_40wjl4>i'm trying to try debian/netbsd ... but i do not understand where to download the boot images (floppy as i can read)
22:13<mib_40wjl4>any ideas ?
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22:14<MrFrood>sure you don't mean kfreebsd?
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22:15<mib_40wjl4>MrFrood: i want to test this one
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22:16<EagleRock>mib_40wjl4: "This porting effort has long been abandoned. It has had no updates since october 2002. The information in this page is only for historical purposes."
22:16<MrFrood> I know the page, I though it was somewhat exsperimental
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22:16<MrFrood>if you want to try dbian and bsd look at kfreebsd
22:16<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. #debian-kbsd on
22:17<mib_40wjl4>no no, i want to try netbsd ... but it don't start in virtualbox ... i thought debian/netbsd did
22:17<MrFrood>*debian and bsd
22:18<mib_40wjl4>MrFrood: EagleRock thanks for the info (also if not what i hoped to listen =( )
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22:19<mib_40wjl4>really since 2002 ? it's a very long time
22:19<mib_40wjl4>anyway thanks again
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22:22<MrFrood>mib_40wjl4: slightly off topic but I've always found the netbsd mailing lists most helpful
22:23<mib_40wjl4>yea, but use netbsd instead debian/netbsd means learn the entire netbsd's userland ... not so quickly
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22:24<MrFrood>the userland is pretty similar and pkgsrc is ok (but it's not aptitude)
22:26<quant>I've checked what aptitude actually wants to remove when I try to do aptitude remove empathy and it really does want to remove TONS of packages (the whole Gnome...) - it even wants to do that when I try to INSTALL gthumb...
22:26<quant>apt-get installed gthumb with 0 problems
22:26<mib_40wjl4>MrFrood: pkgsrc if from source, i don't need it, anyway thanks, i will try to find something else
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22:27<MrFrood>mib_40wjl4: source or binary
22:27<MrFrood>used to be just source
22:28<MrFrood>quant: you need to mark the packages as manually installed
22:29<quant>MrFrood, aptitude keepall etc.?
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22:30<MrFrood>quant: unmarkauto
22:31<MrFrood>quant: it's detaied in the man page
22:31<quant>MrFrood, ok, ty, but I must say that I regard it as a bug if I want to install gthumb and get prompted to remove my whole Gnome :(
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22:32<MrFrood>it probally wants to remove the gnome meta package
22:32<quant>MrFrood, yes, indeed
22:33<quant>MrFrood, I'll stick to apt-get for now, I guess
22:33<MrFrood>which is why I try to avoid installing meta packages
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22:33<quant>MrFrood, I just did a default install from the CD...
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22:34<MrFrood>I just install enough to get a working command prompt and build from there
22:35<quant>MrFrood, that's beyond my expertise/will for now :)
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22:36<MrFrood>that's wahts great about debian - many choices
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22:36<quant>MrFrood, yes, I do agree there, that's one of the reasons I've chosen it (and I did try all the distros) ;-)
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22:38<over9000>question- i have a lifecam vx-3000 webcam that has full video support, but the microphone does not work. however, the microphone does work fine under ubuntu and fedora. is there a module or package I need that can provide this support?
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22:39<quant>off topic comment: from what I've seen so far, BY FAR the best responding distro I've used
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22:40<MrFrood>over9000: have you fire up a mixer to check the microphone is enabled?
22:41<MrFrood>e.g. alsamixer
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22:42<mib_40wjl4>night@all and thanks again MrFrood
22:42<over9000>yes, it's enabled, not muted and volume is up
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22:43<MrFrood>over9000: does it need non-free firmware?
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22:44<over9000>i'm not sure, in ubuntu 10.10 and fedora 14 the microphone in it works out of the box, so I assumed it was like a newer version of gspca, but that doesn't appear to have been updated since 2007
22:44<MrFrood>fedora & ubuntu tend to be a bit more liberal about auto installing non-free stuff
22:45<over9000>yes, I was trying to find out what package they might have installed
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22:46<quant>perhaps the kernel version is a bit older in Squeeze?
22:47<MrFrood>I'd imagine there is no "perhaps" in it
22:47<over9000>2.6.32-5 right?
22:48<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110215, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc4-git9, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc4, stable 2.6: 2.6.37 , stable 2.6.36: , longterm 2.6.35: , stable 2.6.35: , longterm 2.6.34: , stable 2.6.34: , longterm 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.32: , longterm 2.6.27: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
22:48<quant>MrFrood, was thinking more on the line that perhaps that could possibly be a reason ;-)
22:48<MrFrood>I know, could be
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22:55<over9000>probably the issue, 2.6.32-5-amd64 as opposed to other which was 2.6.38
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23:05<over9000>wewt, fixed it
23:05<over9000>installed a fork of gspca called gspcav2
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23:06<retrospectacus>hi, I added '* hard nofile 10240' to /etc/security/limits.conf and rebooted but ulimit -n still shows 1024
23:07<over9000>as root?
23:07<over9000>iirc * does not include root
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23:08<retrospectacus>hmm, well it says 1024 for user mysql too
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23:08<retrospectacus>my original problem is: mysqldump: Got error: 1016: Can't open file: './dbname/tblname.frm' (errno: 24) when using LOCK TABLES
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23:10<retrospectacus> #mysql told me to reboot and google said to increase nofile limit
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23:16<retrospectacus>oh it's probably an openvz thing
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23:33<Khaatio>helo debian friends
23:33<Khaatio>im finding squeeze bd image
23:34<Khaatio>but no mirror site has this image
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23:34<Khaatio>where can i download it?
23:35<gsimmons>Khaatio: You'll need to use jigdo to acquire it ; /msg dpkg blu-ray disc
23:35<sney>is it torrentable as well?
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23:36<Khaatio>thanx i try to use jigdo
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23:37<kop>Khaatio: (Note that if you want to do a single install it's best to use the netinstall image.)
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23:48<retrospectacus>fixed. added ulimit -n 10240 near the top of /etc/init.d/mysql and restarted mysql
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23:53<dag>Hi, some body here that try to install debian 6.0 and say Syslinux 3.82 2009-06-09 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Avin et al and not more?
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23:58<kop>retrospectacus: That sounds fragile, what does README.Debian say?
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23:58<kop>!tell retrospectacus about readme.debian
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