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---Logopened Sun Feb 27 00:00:32 2011
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00:00<jeremyS>ganeshp: I would probably say that you should be fine as long as you're not running any ssh or web server or the like facing the internet
00:00<jeremyS>If you
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00:01<jeremyS>'re firewalled well, then your only vulnerability would be through your browser
00:01<jthill>haha channel limit's 443
00:02<jeremyS>But unless you have a knack for browsing attack sites with outdated versions of Flash, I wouldn't worry too much either.
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00:04<ganeshp>jeremyS: I do run apache2 for testing my webapps. I have installed & enabled ufw & gufw in my system. You have clarified my question. I will assume if there are any known vulnerabilities, I can secure myself from running system updates frequently. When it comes to Flash I have installed the latest version from non-free repository of debian. thanks a ton for your time and attention. I truely appreciate that.
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00:07<jeremyS>ganeshp: if you're running apache, I would look into other security measures like apparmour
00:08<genpfault>ganeshp: or if you don't want to modify your local system you could spin up a kvm virtual machine and install your dev apache there
00:08<jeremyS>also, I should note that I'm not a security expert, but simply looking at this from the perspective of a desktop user.
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00:09<imganquan>hi all. I write the priority 900 for experimental packages and 1000 for unstable packages in /etc/apt/preferences, and I run "aptitude update", I can see the experimental package list was cached, then I run "aptitude -t experimental install audacious ",but I can not install package from expermental. any suggestion?
00:10<sney>why can't you? what does it say?
00:10<Saturn_Neptuni>Good day. Is anyone around who knows about the usage of testdisk?
00:11<imganquan>sney: aptitude says No packages will be installed,upgraded, or removed.
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00:11<Saturn_Neptuni>or data recovery in general?
00:11<sney>imganquan: if you do apt-cache policy audacious, do you see any candidates from experimental?
00:11<jthill>you sure there's an audacious in experimental?
00:11<sney>judd: versions audacious
00:11<judd>Package audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; sid: 2.3-2; squeeze: 2.3-2; wheezy: 2.3-2; experimental: 2.4.3-1
00:11<imganquan>jthill: Yes
00:11<sney>well, in i386 at least
00:12<imganquan>sney: Right. I run debian on i386.
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00:12<sney>did you check apt-cache policy
00:12<imganquan>sney: OK. let me check
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00:14<imganquan>sney: apt-cache policy shows the priority I described above. experimental packages 900, and sid packages 1000.
00:15<jthill>what happens if you try it with apt-get?
00:15<sney>man jthill we are on the same page tonight
00:15<imganquan>jthill: OK. let me try apt-get instead of aptitude
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00:16<imganquan>jthill: failed too. after I run "apt-get -t experimental install audacious", it says 0 upgraded, 0 install, 0 remove.
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00:17<sney>it's as if it thinks it's already installed
00:18<jthill>did you do apt-cache policy audacious or just apt-cache policy?
00:18<imganquan>sney: I run "dpkg -l audacious" ,it says I just install 2.3-2, that's the version in sid.
00:18<imganquan>jthill: I just run apt-cache policy
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00:21<imganquan>jthill: I do apt-cache policy audacious, it says I installed 2.3-2, candidate 2.3-2, version table 2.4.3-1
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00:29<jthill>ok, I punt. pastebin your apt preferences?
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00:34<jthill> oh, right. I think if you back off on the priorities it'll work.
00:34<imganquan>jthill: if I swap the priority ,that means all packages will first choose experimental version
00:35<imganquan>jthill: I just wanna install audacious from experimental.
00:35<jthill>not swap
00:35<jthill>back off, man 5 apt_preferences
00:35<jthill>1000 says install even if not from target release
00:36<imganquan>jthill: OK. let me check the man pages
00:36<jthill>make them unstable=900, exp=800
00:36<imganquan>jthill: OK. i'll try imediately
00:37<imganquan>jthill: WOW!!! Great, it works!!! You are good man. thank you.
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00:39<poison>help FLUXBOX
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00:51<vinodtcr>source/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory
00:52<vinodtcr>when i try to compile v4l-dvb UVC support in Debian 6.0.0
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00:53<vinodtcr>#make menuconfig gives the error
00:53<vinodtcr>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686'
00:53<vinodtcr>/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/scripts/ /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory
00:53<vinodtcr>make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop.
00:53<vinodtcr>make[2]: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2
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00:56<user1_>plz help me on /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory
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01:41<amitz>probably build-essential package is not installed.
01:48<jillsmitt_>where can i ask about gajim in debian?
01:48<jillsmitt_>here or i need to find special gajim channel?
01:52<devil>jillsmitt_: try here
01:53<jillsmitt_>i set up transport on my xmpp server to use icq protocol within jabber and gajim
01:53<jillsmitt_>someone, maybe bots, always want autorize with me
01:54<jillsmitt_>i tierd and what can i do to block this?
01:54<jillsmitt_>a ten requests in a day
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01:55<devil>i know this happens on ICQ and afaik there is nothing you can do (other than to trust an IM in the hands of doubtable people)
01:57<devil>i remember there was a setting to prevent this, but it did nothing. all 'friends' that approached me were from Russia.
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02:01<devil>so, i don't think its a gajim problem, but a problem of icq protocol.
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02:03<devil>maybe you wantto read
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02:03<Tiff>Disable your web-aware online status and you won't get these issues.
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02:15<jillsmitt_>and the second
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02:15<jillsmitt_>when i use man gcc in terminal emulator
02:15<jillsmitt_>i have this message: See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
02:16<jillsmitt_>can i get man page for gcc, i can find it in synaptic manager
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03:06<yoshio>!tell jillsmitt_ about gcc-doc
03:06<yoshio>dpkg: tell jillsmitt_ about gcc-doc
03:07<dpkg>The man pages for <gcc> are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free>, <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev.
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03:09<yoshio>jillsmitt_, was there a first question?
03:10<Martee>can someone help me with an issue? I installed debian and after login i got an ICEauthority error, i thought i fixed it by changing the permissions with chown and chmod 644 but it just removed the error. Currently i cannot see my desktop or do much of anything.
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03:20<Martee>pretty much gdm will not run
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04:01<devil>can anyone comfirm gmail b0rked?
04:01<noodleking>I have noticed a weird problem with Debian Squeeze. Whenever I play an audio/video file +after+ listening to/viewing a flash/youtube file on the web, the sound goes off on the application (system sounds work, the flash/youtube works, but vlc/totem/rhythmbox/etc doesn't output any audio). Anyone know why this might be?
04:02<noodleking>it seems that there is a conflict in Squeeze, between flash and the sound driver(s?)
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04:02<cahoot>flash misbehaving?
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04:03<Martee>can anyone help me with my .ICEauthority problem?
04:03<noodleking>cahoot, perhaps. I also find that flash/youtube sound is lost if I play a movie/mp3 before opening the flash/youtube site
04:04<noodleking>it seems that one effectively cancels the other's access to the soundchip.
04:05<noodleking>it's strange because I've not had this problem until very recently, maybe a week at the most. I think it might be caused by Flash but not 100% sure.
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04:06<noodleking>I don't know how sound works in Linux, I'm guessing that there is one 'driver' that controls an application's access to the audiochip and that it just fails to connect both applications.
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04:08<noodleking>also, I want to know how I would go about upgrading Gnome to version 3 (I know it may not be 100% stable yet). I'm guessing it's not as simple as apt-get install gnome-3.xx?
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04:12<cahoot>correct - it isn't
04:14<noodleking>hmm, I've googled for some info on installing gnome3 in debian squeeze, but not much is turning up.
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04:16<cahoot>why choose a stable distro just for the purpose of turning it into an unstable mess (unless one plans to help in development/bugfixing)?
04:18<noodleking>I chose a stable distro because I wanted to test it out as a web dev environment. it works for what I want and I feel quite comfortable with working in debian. now that's done, I'm going to install it on my main system and remove ubuntu (well, prolly keep it as a secondary linux).
04:18<noodleking>I have this machine free to experiment with
04:18<noodleking>I installed the Firefox 4 beta
04:19<noodleking>that proved quite stable
04:19<noodleking>I installed KDE, that too is good (but a little slow)
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04:20<noodleking>it's basically a case of wanting to see how much I can do before I end up messing Debian up, I guess.
04:22<noodleking>can't a newbie have fun with a distro?
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04:22<cahoot>of course - sorry
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04:24<noodleking>anyway, I find messing up is the best way to learn stuff.
04:25<noodleking>I know it's not what people use Debian for, I appreciate that it is a fine and stable linux (and I prefer it to others that I have tested).
04:26<noodleking>hmm, this place is awfully quiet.
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04:56<L0p3z>ho installato una debian 6 per la prima volta e ho un piccolo problema con una penna usb. Questa penna è sempre collegata al pc e viene montata in automatico al boot (ho inserito il mount in rc.local). Quando spengo il pc vorrei venisse smontata. E' corretto mettere l'umount sempre in rc.local nella sezione stop?
04:58<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:04<L0p3z>thanks themill
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05:30<AlanJ>Hi Folks: I am in deep trouble after resizing my root partition on Debian Squeeze
05:31<AlanJ>Can anyone help me please!
05:32<hda5>whats up man?
05:32<AlanJ>I get this error "There is a problem with configuration server" (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check2 exited with status 256)
05:33<AlanJ>I am unable to logon, I am using the Recoveryu console->root to this xchat
05:34<AlanJ>When I try to logon, I get this message Install Problem: The configuration defaults to GNOME
05:35<hda5>sudo chown-Rc EYP / home / EYP
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05:37<AlanJ>This is changing ownership of all directories to my userid
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05:40<AlanJ>Can anyone help me? The above command changed ownership of all directories to my userid
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05:41<timon>hello :)
05:41<AlanJ>Hello timon :)
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05:42<AlanJ>Can anyone help me please?
05:42<timon>just had a nice time recovering from something that should not have happened, probably ... and I can't even pinpoint what caused it ;)
05:42<timon>what's up?
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05:44<AlanJ>I am unable to logon to my account after repartitioning my root partition, I get the above error, hda5 suggested that change ownership to all directories by chown -Rc username / home / username, Is that right?
05:44<cahoot>those paces will make the chowning start from /
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05:45<AlanJ>I already used that command , what do I do set it right?
05:46<detly>I've just installed a squeeze base system on my hp pavilion laptop, but I can't see eth0 in the output of ifconfig - lspci shows I have a "Realtek Semiconductor Co... RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)", but I've installed both firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek with no luck
05:47<timon>there is no undo to chown
05:47<AlanJ>What should I do now?
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05:48<timon>I was not around to see what error you posted in the first place, so I won't give any further advice yet
05:49<AlanJ>I will post the original error again.
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05:49<AlanJ>There is a problem with configuartion server (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gcoonf-sanity-check2 exited with status 256)
05:50<timon>and I will go and take a shower first, will be back in 5-10 minutes
05:50<cahoot>AlanJ: if you've chown the entire system from / - I guess you're posed for reinstall
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05:52<AlanJ>I have a seperate /home partition, Will all configurations saved correctly there?
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05:52<Atharva> do do pl. explain
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05:54<AlanJ>Initially I had root partition and /home partition , I resized root partition to create Linux Data partition as NTFS, then the above error appeared and I was unable to logon, I am xchatting from root through recovery console.
05:55<cahoot>AlanJ: you made the root partition ntfs?
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05:56<AlanJ>No I resized /root which was originally ext4, the unallocated space I made Linux Data as NTFS
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05:57<cahoot> /root or / ?
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06:01<detly>okay, loaded any and all realtek modules I could find in /lib/modules, no luck
06:01<detly>it used to work on my impure squeeze system, too
06:02<AlanJ>Why isn't my typing appearing in Chat?
06:02<AlanJ>It is / not /root
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06:03<AlanJ>Will my home partition remaini OK, I have all my Data on that
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06:09<AlanJ>Do I have install Debian All over again?
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06:11<AlanJ>OK I will try something Thanks for all your help
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06:17<sunniboi>Guten Tag, habe gerade ein neus system mit squeeze aufgesetzt mit Gdm. Nun habe ich aber das Problem das ich Anfänger bin und nicht verstehe, warum ich keine Anwendungen usw habe zum Klicken.Was fehlt dort? Was muss ich noch Installieren damit ich die Standart Programme erhalte auf der Oberfläche?
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06:17<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:19<sunniboi>eventuell ein GTK?
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06:33<sunniboi>sry hat sich erledigt, gedanken fehler von mir, sollte mal gnome installieren dann hätte ich es gehabt. Schönen Sonntag noch!
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06:45<saleem>testing has been quiet for some days after squeeze release but im getting updates today
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06:52<amitz>for local disk to disk transfer over usb, is it usually faster to compress (-z) or not?
06:52<amitz>for rsync
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06:52<weasel>amitz: think about it.
06:53<amitz>thinking says no compress but I'm checking against wisdom of the crowd :-p
06:53<weasel>why do you think the answer is no?
06:54<amitz>compress means I have to spend time to compress, move, then decompress. But then processor is really fast and I/O is usually the bottleneck.
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06:54<ratboy>amitz: I recon that as CPU does the compress and this results in less data to be synced disk-2-disk - theoretically should be quicker
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06:55<amitz>and there is a question whether the compression is significant enough to compensate for time loss in compressing/decompressing.
06:55<weasel>amitz: move? from where to where? where does the data come from, who compresses it, who decompresses it?
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06:56<amitz>from an external HD connected to USB, to my local sata drive. USB seems to bottleneck at around 25MBytes/s
06:56<amitz>USB 2.0
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06:56<weasel>amitz: and if you enable -z in rsync, at which stage does the compression happen?
06:56<ratboy>amitz: desktop sata is around 80MB/s
06:57<ratboy>amitz: take the hdd out of case and plug into sata :-)
06:57<amitz>ratboy: ah, noted. weasel: at hmm... I'm not sure what you mean by stage. At the HD reading stage?
06:58<amitz>ratboy: notebook ;-)
06:58<weasel>amitz: does the data get compressed before or after it gets transferred over the USB bus?
06:58<amitz>read from HD, compress, move over usb, decompress, then write to HD.
06:58<weasel>so your HD can compress data? read filesystems?
06:58<weasel>your HD runs rsync?
06:59<amitz>it gets compressed before transfering over USB.
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06:59<weasel>the CPU can't do it. it sits on the computer side of the USB bus
06:59<weasel>and there's nothing on the other side to do it either
06:59<amitz>oh, dammit, you're right -_-
06:59<amitz>forget that!
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07:00<amitz>silly me -_-
07:01<weasel>(rsync will probably ignore the -z in local mode anyway :)
07:02<lithius>amitz: write script to auto-tar files, destination folder on usb-hdd, it'll be much faster )
07:03<amitz>weasel: hopefully ignored, but then it took disturbingly long, probably 1.5 times of local SATA HD to external USB HD and it wasn't done yet.
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07:04<weasel>how long did it take?
07:04<weasel>for how much data?
07:04<amitz>lithius: I thought rsync should package (tar) all files it can before sending? (just my assumption)
07:04<amitz>400 GB for 10 hours now.
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07:05<weasel>that's not all bad
07:05<amitz>and it was just 2/3 way done.
07:05<lithius>lot of small files?
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07:05<amitz>lithius: yeah -_-
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07:07<lithius>it seems rsync doesn't use compression. i have same problem not long ago (not rsync, simple copy). simple tar storage (without compression) to a single file was 3 times faster than copying )
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07:10<amitz>lithius: you mean tar-ing to a target destination, right?
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07:12<lithius>amitz: tar-ing on usb-hdd, than un-taring from usb-hdd at other side. very usefull within huge sets of little files, when there's no good way like ethernet )
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07:20<lithius>amitz: it's faster even without compression because file-allocation table modified only once - while creating new .tar
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07:22<toru>so i'm having this problem. last night docky was working fine. now i can't even get it to start up for more than 5 seconds.
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07:23<toru>it says Docky: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable)
07:23<toru>in the terminal
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07:24<toru>it was running on ubuntu just fine for years. not sure what to think.
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07:30<toru>ah ok. i think it had something to do with the e-mails in my gmail inbox. deleted a few of them and it's not crashing anymore. weird but fixed.
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07:32<toru>i have another question if anyone's out there though. my flash rendering is considerably slower than usual since my switch to debian, and every visit to crashes the browser.
07:32<amitz>lithius: I see that point, but I use ext4 ;-)
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07:32<toru>i'm not a huge fan of hulu or anything, but it's annoying.
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07:34<toru>could it be that compiz is on a higher setting than usual or something?
07:34<toru>if that would even effect flash.
07:34<toru>i dunno.
07:34<toru>i think i'll try everything without compiz again.
07:34<toru>i shall return.
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07:36<lithius>amitz: try to rsync part of your files, and tar-with-compression same part, and check times ) i think taring will be better )
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07:38<lithius>don't use bz2 for this task - gzip much faster
07:39<Mazze>since quite some time now, I have the problem, that sometimes sound is not working. It seems, that only one application at a time can make use of the sound-output. I use squeeze, and my audio-device is intel-hda, but lspci also shows me an "nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller". pluseaudio is running, too. Any hints/ideas?
07:40<valdyn>Mazze: an unlimited number of applications can play through pulseaudio
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07:41<valdyn>Mazze: but any wrongly configured app can play directly through /dev/dsp if it exists or thru alsa and thus prevent more apps from sending sound
07:41<Mazze>valdyn I know, it should be like that. Maybe it is more of a problem, that pulseaudio gets changed by some client, and sound is not output any more ...
07:41<valdyn>Mazze: no
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07:42<Mazze>valdyn I unloaded snd-pcm-oss now, /dev/dsp is gone.
07:42<valdyn>Mazze: good
07:42<Mazze>There is some "feature" in the GNOME applet for sound things, and there is a tab listing applications that use the sound system.
07:43<Mazze>But there is nothing in there.
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07:43<Mazze>When I start vlc, it is correctly listed there, but I don't hear anything.
07:43<Mazze>A couple of hours ago, it worked without problems.
07:43<valdyn>Mazze: the app you hear sound from and that is not listed is your problem
07:44<Mazze>valdyn Maybe a misunderstanding: I don't hear anything. Also not from any other app right now.
07:44<Mazze>valdyn I could try some other apps (ogg123, totem ... )
07:44<valdyn>Mazze: why did you say " It seems, that only one application at a time can make use of the sound-output."
07:44<Mazze>valdyn Okay, ogg123 works ...
07:45<valdyn>Mazze: ogg123 does not support pa last i checked
07:45<valdyn>Mazze: well, it does, but did you set it to use pa?
07:45<Mazze>valdyn sorry about that; what I meant was, I thought I had cases, where a stopped flash-video-player on some website "locked" the audio-output, because after terminating the browser, sound was working again.
07:46<valdyn>Mazze: the typical scenario is that you broken pa by having one app push sound the wrong way ( not through pa ) and pa broke somewhere there
07:47<valdyn>Mazze: you already got rid of /dev/dsp, keep it that way, now configure alsa to go via pa too
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07:47<Mazze>valdyn Thank you for the ogg123 -> pulseaudio hint. With "ogg123 -d pulse" I don't hear anything any more ...
07:47<Mazze>valdyn I can blacklist snd-pcm-oss, but how do I change ALSA?
07:47<valdyn>Mazze: "killall pulseaudio"; "start-pulseaudio-x11"
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07:48<zlatan>hi all...I have problem to burn CDs/DVDs...last one I burned few days ago...I can read all CDs but the blank when is like it isn't inside drive
07:49<Mazze>valdyn "start-pulseaudio-x11" as root with "--system", or as ordinary user?
07:49<zlatan>so I am wondering what is causing that problem...why it can't show blank CD for burning
07:49<valdyn>Mazze: as ordinary user
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07:50<Mazze>valdyn I did it. Now the daemon runs again.
07:50<valdyn>Mazze: ~/.asoundrc :
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07:52<Mazze>valdyn okay. Pulseaudio still does not work, but ALSA (with ogg123) does also not work any more: "ALSA lib dlmisc.c:236:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/"
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07:53<valdyn>Mazze: thats ok, install libasound2-plugins
07:53<Mazze>valdyn I found it
07:53<Mazze>valdyn already installed now
07:53<Mazze>valdyn now ogg123 seems to play again, still I cannot hear anything.
07:53<Mazze>valdyn but maybe I should just restart, and be confident that any bad app may not use ALSA directly any more :)
07:54<valdyn>Mazze: run pavucontrol and check if its listed and adjust volume
07:54<valdyn>Mazze: if you have adobe flash installed, quit your browser
07:56<valdyn>Mazze: i think flash is about the only program that really needs that ~/.asoundrc. Everything else can be configured to use pulseaudio
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07:58<detly>please, please, please, can someone tell me how to *completely* disable the pc speaker beep? I've blacklisted both pcspkr AND snd-pcsp in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, I've set "bell-style none" in /etc/inputrc, and STILL I hear that horrible buzzing every time I make a typo in aptitude, or power off
07:59<detly>I'm one buzz away from getting out the soldering iron
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07:59<dpkg>rumour has it, beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see
07:59<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
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07:59<valdyn>detly: ^^
08:00<valdyn>detly: i think its a feature of the linux tty, theres no "extra" hardware driver involved
08:00<valdyn>detly: and you certainly cant rip out the tty
08:00<Mazze>valdyn sorry, I got a call. Thank you for your help, I still have to check all my browser windows and I have to leave now, but I'm confident, that you helped me solve the problem. :)
08:01<detly>where does the "setterm -blength 0" go?
08:01<valdyn>detly: ~/.bashrc
08:01<detly>ah... so not a system wide setting then
08:02<valdyn>detly: you can probably make it systemwide too via /etc/rc.local or similar
08:02<detly>that won't stop it happening at poweroff if no-one's logged in, either
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08:05<xsbyme>hello all
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08:13<xsbyme>how do i change the mirror server in debian 6 tho the fastes available ?
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08:16<babilen>xsbyme: You could select a mirror from the mirror list, or use "apt-spy" or "netselect-apt" to test a couple of mirrors.
08:16<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
08:16<xsbyme>new to debian ...
08:16<babilen>!geo sources.list
08:16<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from An example line for your sources.list is "deb squeeze main". See for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar.
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08:18<babilen>xsbyme: Are you OK with these instructions? I typically don't bother and just pick a good mirror from the list.
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08:18<xsbyme>newbie to debian ...
08:19<babilen>yes, hence my question if you are OK with the (short) instructions
08:19<themill>a working mirror is more important than a fast one.
08:19<xsbyme>not quite never heard of apt-spy
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08:21<xsbyme>themill this mirror is at like 100kb
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08:21<themill>I'm yet to find a mirror that can't saturate a home adsl connection
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08:22<babilen>xsbyme: What do you have in your sources.list right now ( and where are you located? You might want to check the mirror list, use a geo mirror or "/msg dpkg apt-spy"
08:22<xsbyme>i have cable and i have about normal dl speed of 5000 kb/s
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08:24<babilen>Doesn't apt-spy use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ these days? (And is it therefore not necessary anymore to backup the old sources.list as outlined in the 'apt-spy' factoid?)
08:25<themill>babilen: nfc. never used it.
08:25<babilen>themill: yeah, me neither. Hence my question (based on my intuition on "how it should work" and "it shouldn't overwrite the old sources.list")
08:26<ganeshp>hi all, I tried installing selinux on my debian squeeze amd64 home desktop (in virtual box). I have followed instructions given in But after the last step of setting the setenforce1 and reboot, I can reach till login dialog box, after which screen gets blank. What could have gone wrong?,
08:26<ompaul>xsbyme: in place of the and apt-get update after that pick a big package
08:27<ompaul>xsbyme: apt-get update will always be somewhat slow it is the package downloads that make for the fun
08:27<themill>the de or nl mirrors might also be appropriate.
08:27<babilen>xsbyme: You could, for example, use "" instead of "" in your sources.list. You can also remove the (commented) lines that refer to the CDs. Other options include ... (ad nauseam)
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08:29<ompaul>that one in .ie is multi gig connections no contention
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08:29<ompaul>so as long as your route to .ie is fast it would be too
08:29<babilen>ompaul: preferable to .uk ?
08:30<xsbyme>i taked belnet out my country
08:30<ompaul>generally it would be way faster than anything in the uk they tend to get contended
08:30<xsbyme>and tanks all for the help
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08:31<ompaul>babilen: I got people in the us on cable modems to use it and they were impressed ;-)
08:31<ompaul>they have $stupid amounts of bandwidth
08:31<xsbyme>where i find more info source.list
08:31<xsbyme>and tanks all for the help
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08:33<babilen>xsbyme: and "man 5 sources.list" -- You might want to read other parts of the reference as well
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09:28<amarc>anyone knows why Debian PHP package ignores allow_url_fopen directive in php.ini ?
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09:44<mezimezim>i am having trouble upgrading to squeeze, it is a repository problem
09:44<mezimezim>could I get someone's idea on that if I paste my sources.list on a pastebin?
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09:49<dvs>mezimezim: volitile no longer exists and why do you have both Canada and U.S. repos?
09:50<ompaul>mezimezim: you should only have ca or us but not both
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09:51<mezimezim>yes, good point thanks
09:51<mezimezim>....feeling a bit stupid here
09:51<winsen>hello eveybody
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09:51<winsen>need help please,
09:51<winsen>it appears another opera instance is using the same configuration directory because its lock file is active: /home/am/.opera/lock do you want to start opera anyway?
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09:52<winsen>i had this message in opera, what's the solution? can somone help me?
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09:53<cahoot>close opera and remove the leftover lockfile?
09:53<rss>winsen, what cahoot said
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09:54<winsen>thanks for answer, what's cahoot?
09:55<montyboy>what is the name of the non-mainline "optimized" desktop kernel? People come in here asking about them from time to time
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09:55<cahoot>probably mostly the same as winsen
09:55<rss>winsen, I was referring to what the user cahoot said. Close opera, remove leftover lock file and start opera again
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09:58<winsen>well, but where cai i find lock file?
09:59<rss>winsen, /home/am/.opera/lock
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10:02<winsen>sorry, but didn't understand what ".opera" means i searched in "am" didn't found it, where 's it?
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10:02<cahoot>winsen: the leading dot means it's 'hidden'
10:03<rss>winsen, .opera is a directory the is hidden. it has a . as a first character try: cd /home/am/.opera
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10:03<rss>winsen, after that: rm lock
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10:07<winsen>ok, i 'am testing, thank you
10:08<montyboy>I found it. The "optimized" kernel I was inquiring about is under the zen/Liquorix project. Even dpkg knew ;)
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10:10<rss>winsen: what opera does is create a file called lock in the .opera directory so it can now if another opera instance is running. If you close opera it should clean up the file. If it has not then opera likely crashed or was closed in some non standard way, e.g. unexpected xserver shutdown. Removing the lock file after such a crash is harmless and will prevent the message from appearing again
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10:14<rss>montyboy: also be aware that the liquorix kernels are very new currently at 2.6.37
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10:15<montyboy>rss, thanks. I am not looking to install them, just learn what they are all about
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10:17<rss>montyboy: they are an attempt to make a kernel that is more optimizd for desktop/workstation use rather than general purpose you should check out for more information
10:20<Tiaagos>I'm new to linux and would like help with the game Dofus I installed but has no sound. Can anyone help me please?
10:20<igi-111>Dofus is in flash right?
10:20<igi-111>do you use gnash or the non free one?
10:21<Tiaagos>adobe air
10:21<Tiaagos>Dofus 2.0
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10:21<Tiaagos>I'm from Brazil sorry for bad english
10:22<rss>Tiaagos: try the non-free flash installation as wel. I am personally unaware op adobe air implementations for linux
10:23<igi-111>by the way, do you have other audio processes running?
10:24<igi-111>it could camefrom here, flash want to be alone using your sound
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10:25<Tiaagos>sound came out rather normal DVD and mp3
10:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:25<Maulkin>^-- that may help
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10:26<igi-111>Still i got this weird problem with flash
10:27<igi-111>when a flash app is running sound is not working exept in the said app
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10:29<rss>igi-111: that is normal behaviour for if you soundcard only handles one app at a time. There is an alsa configuration that allows for multi app use though it is called dmix. I do not know how squeeze configures sound as I use jackd and pulseaudio for all my sound needs
10:30<cahoot>dmix is enabled by default sinc long
10:30<igi-111>yeah thats why its kinda weird
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10:30<cahoot>flash though might be misbehaving
10:30<rss>cahoot, igi-111: it seems not to be working for him though.
10:31<cahoot>rss: eality tested by running 2 instances of speaker-test
10:31<rss>igi-111: cahoot has a good tip there
10:31<igi-111>maybe the nonfree flash isn't supporting it, i got no problems with other apps
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10:32<igi-111>i am corrently running 2 my audio player while watching an .avi and its working like a charm
10:32<igi-111>the problem only occurs with flash(or gnash)
10:33<cahoot>so it's a flash matter - not alsa
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10:34<rss>igi-111: personally for all my apps that require sound and have jackd output I configure them to use it. I only use pulseaudio for the rest. Pulse is configured to use jackd. None of the apps I use complain and can all run simultaneously with sound
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10:34<igi-111>i may try that
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10:35<rss>igi-111: I would agree with cahoot on it being a flash/gnash problem. Can you configure either to use dmix explicitly?
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10:35<igi-111>well how should i do that?
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10:36<rss>igi-111: when you use jackd be prepared for extensive configuration woes. It took me forever to get it working properly. but I am very satisfied with it
10:38<rss>igi-111: maybe you browser allows you to specifly the configuration for flash
10:38<igi-111>oh yeah, i forgot about that ^^
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10:40<infinite>Hi Folks:
10:40<rss>babilen: Welcom back
10:40<infinite>I was forced to re-install Squeeze becoz of some bad advice here
10:41<rss>infinite: Sorry about that. What happened
10:41<infinite>I am unable to configure xorg.conf, it does not take nv driver
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10:42<infinite>Noveau driver freezes my desktop
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10:42<rss>infinite: I use open source radeon drivers myself. I can not help with the nvidia cards sorry :)
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10:42<winsen><cahoot><rss>thank you it works good now
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10:43<streuner__>infinite: How about to use VESA?
10:43<rss>infinite: as far as I am aware there are specific issues with the nuveau driver and certain generations of nvidia cards
10:43<infinite>I dont want to use vesa
10:44<streuner__>infinite: fine just s/VESA/nv/ ;-
10:44<rss>winsen: you're welcome
10:44<infinite>On my previous Debian Testing "nv" driver wroked, why does it not work now?
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10:44<infinite>How do I use that in xorg.conf
10:44<streuner__>infinite: i have no idea, prolly because you misconfigured it?
10:44<streuner__>one second
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10:44<igi-111>bad configuration i guess
10:44<streuner__>dpkg, paste
10:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
10:45<towo`>you don't need an xorg.conf
10:45<infinite>What do I have to do now?
10:45<towo`>just remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
10:45<infinite>What about xorg.conf
10:45<towo`>make sure, that the system does not load the nouveau kernel module
10:46<towo`>then nv will be used automatic
10:46<towo`>[16:45] <towo`> you don't need an xorg.conf
10:46<rss>towo: that is not entirely true. I need a xorg.conf to enable KMS and my synaptics touchpads. I guess it could be done in the conf.d directory but I am comfortable with the monolithic approach
10:46<infinite>How would I remove xserver-xorg-video-noveau
10:46<towo`>rss, kms is not enabled per xorg.conf
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10:47<streuner__>infinite: aptitude/apt-get remove <package>
10:47<towo`>i would use purge instead of remove
10:48<infinite>Shall I remove xorg.conf
10:48<rss>towo: If i do not have a serverlayout section my gallium driver disabled KMS. I know I have experienced it after mistakenly trying to clean up my xorg.conf file. I was horrified when my opengl no longer worked. I almost cried. Luckily a I had a backup of my xorg.conf and all is now working.
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10:49<towo`>rss, you know, what kms is?
10:49<streuner__>infinite: just edit xcorg.conf to your needs
10:49<towo`>kernel mod setting, it's long before x start
10:49<babilen>infinite: What about the proprietary nvidia drivers?
10:49<rss>towo`: Kernel Mode Setting. Do you leed copies of xorg.o.log before you believe me?
10:50<babilen>!tell rss -about xorg.conf.d
10:50<infinite>I just want to use nv
10:50<igi-111>babilen: i guess he wants his nv drivers
10:50<streuner__>infinite: please show us your xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
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10:50<towo`>and again, for using nv, there is no xorg.conf stanza needed
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10:50<SynrG>rss: i was confused as well. not doubtful ... but this is new to me. i915.modeset=1 would enable it and after that, i don't need any xorg magic. it 'just works'. different for your chipset?
10:51<SynrG>rss: (and in any case, that parameter is automatically set by installing xserver-xorg-video-intel)
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10:51<rss>babilen: I aware of the conf.d structure. I am also comfortable using the monolithic config file.
10:51<babilen>rss: wonderful, disregard that message then
10:52<infinite>How do I show you the log file, it is large, if I try copy & paste the system freezes
10:52<rss>infinite,: use pastebin
10:52<streuner__>infinite: just use pastebinit (package)
10:53<infinite> what is the exact syntax
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10:53<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
10:54<babilen>infinite: "aptitude install pastebinit" "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log" gve us the URL
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10:55<infinite> The URL is
10:56<rss>SynrG: The problem I had might be radeon specific. The gallium driver (r300g) ignored kernel boot parametes and modeset config in modprobe.d is simply disables KMS and then complains that KMS is not enabled and that I should upgrade my kernel. Restoring the server layout section to xorg.conf resolved the problem
10:56<scotd>Where are the hd-media files referenced at ?
10:56<babilen>infinite: Would you mind pasting "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" in here? Also: Why do you insist on using nv?
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10:57<infinite>I have no problem using anything that works
10:57<babilen>infinite: "I just want to use nv" hence my question.
10:57<infinite>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] [10de:002d] (rev 15)
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10:58<scotd>dvs: Thanks!
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10:58<streuner__>babilen: after an upgrade to squeeze NOUVEAU doesnt work anymore...
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10:59<streuner__>babilen: he isnt care about 3D too
10:59<streuner__>babilen: but he dont want use VESA :-)
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11:01<infinite>Any suggestions as to what I have to do?
11:02<streuner__>we already told you
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11:02<babilen>streuner__: Yes, I just wanted more information. Using the NVIDIA drivers would also necessitate to use nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms (for dkms) which is only in sid.
11:02<babilen>!nvidia legacy
11:02<dpkg>The NVIDIA proprietary legacy driver supports GPUs no longer supported by the NVIDIA proprietary unified UNIX graphics driver. Supported GPU list: . The 173.14.xx and 96.43.xx legacy driver series is packaged for Debian, ask me about <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> respectively. The 71.86.xx driver series does not support Xorg X server > v1.4 (e.g. squeeze, wheezy).
11:02<infinite>Shall I just remove xserver-xorg-video-noveau
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11:03<infinite>Ok I will do that; shall I remove xorg.conf also
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11:03<babilen>infinite: Just move it somewhere else and let Xorg do its thing. If manual configuration is needed we can work on that later.
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11:04<infinite>I will rename it to something else
11:04<SynrG>rss: interesting.
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11:05<infinite>I will get back to you shortly I will do this in recovery console
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11:07<kendle>I have a little problem, i hope you can help me to figure it out how to solve it
11:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:08<kendle>I was searching for ~ character in console mod, and after i found it, my keymap was broken
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11:09<kendle>i dont know what happend, just when i trying type anything with alt gr ... its massed up
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11:09<kendle>maybe i did something bad shortcut or something which modified my keyboard map
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11:10<kendle>tried reboot but the effect didnt disappear
11:11<infinite>Removing xserver-xorg-video-noaveau also removes xserver-xorg-video-all, is that fine?
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11:11<valdyn>infinite: sure
11:12<infinite>I was able to log iin with out xorg.conf, I will experiment with this, if it freezes again, I will remove it
11:13<kendle>any idei how to reset keyboard mapping ?
11:14<kendle>i've found that "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" command, but it says i dont have it
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11:14<sney>dpkg-reconfigure is in /usr/sbin and should be run as root/ with sudo
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11:18<rss>SynrG: Yes it was interesting. I was pulling attempting to pull out my hair at one point. Luckily all is resolved now.
11:18<SynrG>glad to hear it
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11:20<kendle>first of all, i dont have sudo just su ... i hope these are same. And tried that but it says unknown id
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11:22<rss>kendle: try su - that asks for the root password and gives you a root login shell with environment. You will be in the root home directory dpkg-reconfigure console-data should work then.
11:23<kendle>okay ... so i misunderstand the su command ... i've been root from start, but the error is same
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11:24<rss>kendle: then console-data is somthing that either cannot be configured or is not installed
11:24<kendle>isn't installed
11:24<rss>kendle: apt-get install console-data
11:24<kendle>should i install it then use it ? cant do without it ?
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11:26<rss>kendle: you can install it. It should then ask you some questions about your config
11:26<kendle>i'm writing a script which refresh my domain ip ... i dont know how does it ... but when i install i get this error
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11:27<kendle>warning: script '' missing LSB tags and overrides
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11:31<kendle>i moved that file ... and reconfigured it
11:31<kendle>but now, the alt gr combinations dont work
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11:32<rss>kendle: dpkg-reconfigure console-data and select
11:33<rss>kendle: dpkg-reconfigure console-data and select keymap from full list
11:33<kendle>did :)
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11:33<kendle>i try full list then
11:33<rss>kendle: which keymap didi you select?
11:33<rss>kendle: same?
11:34<kendle>pc / qwertz / Hungarian / Standard / Standard
11:34<kendle>i mean same error
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11:34<rss>kendle: do you have a qwertz layout?
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11:35<kendle>tried other mapping like US its fine, just alt gr doesnt work
11:35<rss>kendle: How dows your keyboard react from the console? if you are in a X environment ctrl-alt-F1 should give you a console
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11:36<kendle>i dont have GUI just in console ( sorry i forgott to mention it )
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11:37<rss>kendle: Hmmm. then the console-data reconfigure should work. I am out of my depth now.
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11:40<rss>kendle: have you tried install-keymap? It alse has a manpage. I suggest you read that first tough.
11:40<kendle>no i haven'T
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11:42<babilen>kendle: do you use squeeze?
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11:43<babilen>ah, you'll need "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" (and *not* console-data)
11:43<debian_>I use whezzy
11:44<rss>babilen, kendle: babilen thank you for catching that one
11:44<scotd>I'm installing from the hd-media (see Is there a grub kernel command-line parameter that will direct the ncurses installer screens to the serial console? I've successfully directed the kernel output to the serial console.
11:44<babilen>debian_: my condolences
11:44<debian_> rs
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11:46<rss>babilen: whezzy? when will that be released? what to was that? <grin>
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11:46<debian_>Do you undertand portuguese?
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11:47<sney>no, but there are a few portuguese channels
11:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
11:47<sney>#debian-br and #debian-pt, I think
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11:50<doliver>at this moment i'm presenting some issue with my panel of gnome
11:51<rss>doliver: ?
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11:54<kendle>huhh well that doesnt seems to work for me ...
11:54<kendle>what should i choose at compose key ...
11:54<kendle>what is default ?
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11:58<kendle>do you allow to post url the keyboard i have ?
11:58<kendle>because i dont find any information about 10*-key things
11:58<rss>kendle: I don't know I use the us-international keyboard with a generic pc105 on my laptop
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11:58<kendle>i dont even know what should i use :)
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11:59<tash>I heard once that Google Chrome have some spyware, does this apply to the chromium that debian has in the repo ?
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12:00<rss>kendle: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration gives me a choice on the first screen
12:00<themill>kendle: I use caps lock for compose
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12:01<kendle>maybe there is a hint, when i press altgr - r it swiches to "reverse-i-search" mode
12:01<rss>kendle: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration gives me a choice on the first screen
12:01<kendle>ofc i gives me too :) but after i select them, doesnt change anything
12:02<rss>kendle: try the generic 105
12:02<kendle>then i tried standard
12:02<kendle>then right alt (altgr) to use altgr function
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12:03<kendle>then caps lock ... and nothing changes ... error is the same
12:03<kendle>cant write even a $ in console
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12:06<rss>kendle: first question keyboard model, second question language third question layout choosing hungarian gives lots of options I don't speak hungarian and am unfamiliar with those layouts
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12:07<kendle>Genius Slim 100, Hungarian language, Standard Layout
12:07<rss>kendle: Is this a new installation? has it worked before with this installation?
12:08<rss>kendle: can you try generic 104/5 ?
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12:08<kendle>worked perfectly ... as i said at start i wrote a script, when i was tring ~ character ( which comination would give it to me ) after save the whole altgr messed up
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12:08<kendle>i've tried all Hun layout combinations
12:09<kendle>expect deadkeys and ex ...
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12:11<rss>kendle: I'm afraid I can't help you further maybe a hungarian debian channel could or a hungarian debian mailinglist. Sorry I couldn't be more helpfull.
12:11<juhaj>This is annoying: my new laptop has four times the memory and two times the cores compared to my old one, BUT it is still *much* slower in use. Often taking close to a minute to simply switch from a window to another. IOwait hangs close to 90% most of the time.
12:12<rss>juhaj: What do you expect us to do about that?
12:13<dpkg>rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
12:13<kendle>okay i figured out something else ... when i press altgr + tab then $ its working after i release tab working too
12:13<kendle>okay thanks dpkg
12:14<kendle>i will try that then
12:15<kendle>nobody in :) so sad
12:15<rss>kendle: I really have no idea how hungarian keyboards work. I hope the hungarian members kan help you further.
12:15<rss>kendle: Sorry about that. Maybe the mailing list?
12:15<tash>no idea about the chromium thing?
12:16<kendle>okay if we dont count hungarian language ... what do you suggest with that problem when with tab its working ?
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12:18<juhaj>rss: I had a vague hope someone would have been able to help me track down why
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12:20<valdur55>how can use NVIDIA 5700 TV out?
12:21<scotd>Here is the answer to my question.... Change "kernel = /vmlinuz console=ttyS1,115200n8 console=tty0" to "kernel = /vmlinuz console=ttyS1,115200n8"
12:21<juhaj>rss: As it stands, this is rather frustrating: when working, I have a couple of terminals and emacs open and on top of that, I cannot have both email (kontact) and browser (iceweasel) open at the same time, otherwise the machine is uselessly slow. And I really mean useless: it just took me over 5 minutes to open a new tab.
12:21<rss>kendle: try the us international keyboard if you are familiar with the layout.
12:22<scotd>Or rather "linux /vmlinuz console=ttyS1,115200n8 console=tty0" to "linux /vmlinuz console=ttyS1,115200n8"
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12:22<rss>juhaj, How many cores does your new laptop have
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12:22<juhaj>rss: 2, but the probles should not be cpu load, since there is no significant amount %CPU shown by top. IOwait is >80%, mostly 90%
12:23<rss>juhaj: what version of debian are you using?
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12:23<juhaj>rss: One thing I am a bit concerned about is dbus-daemon taking 132 MB of RSS, which sounds ridiculously high
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12:23<ompaul>kendle: you might want to look at this
12:24<rss>kendle: Do you have a us keboard that you could try with a us kemap?
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12:24<juhaj>rss: sid, but not up to date (updating is near-impossible due to the slowdown apt/dpkg cause)
12:25<rss>juhaj: 64 bit or 32?
12:27<kendle>i've tried ... altgr doesnt work
12:27<kendle>where can i find xorg.conf file ?
12:28<rss>juhaj: you had a single core amd64 that now is a dual core smd64 that is extremely slow with an out of date sid. that you are unable to update. Are you sure the sata driver that you are using is appropriate for you new system?
12:29<rss>kendle: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but if using squeeze you likely won't have one check /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
12:29<kendle>yeah there is no file
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12:29<rss>kendle: on squeeze it should be able to work without an xorg.conf
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12:30<kendle>well i found someone who had the same problem ... and he made it with xorg.conf
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12:30<juhaj>rss: Old one was i386. And pata. But high iowait and sata driver sound like a good candidate... how do I find that out?
12:31<rss>kendle: check the xorg.conf.d directory
12:31<juhaj>rss: Using libata/libahci/ahci at the moment, it seems
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12:31<kendle>where should i find that directory ?
12:31<rss>juhaj: still on single core i386 pata system myself.
12:32<rss>kendle: /etc/X11
12:32<juhaj>rss: I have "ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100" repeated in syslog a few times a day, but cannot see other obvious problems with sata
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12:32<kendle>there is no one, just xkb
12:32<kendle>which is empty
12:32<rss>juhaj: my only experince with 64 bit multicore machines is with servers that use true hardware raid controllers
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12:33<juhaj>rss: Yes, 1core i386 is quite ok. My wife still has one and it works fine. It is the new one which does not =(
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12:33<rss>kendle: man xorg.conf
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12:34<kendle>no manual
12:35<rss>kendle: no manual either means no manpages or no xorg.
12:35<rss>kendle: no xorg means you cannot solve problem with xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d
12:35<kendle>sad thing
12:36<rss>juhaj: is the new system a fresh install or a copy from the old one?
12:37<rss>juhaj: I would expect no legacy ata modes to be available on a moden sata only system
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12:38<juhaj>rss: Fresh
12:39<juhaj>rss: Hmm. so that "configured for UDMA/100" may be a cause for concern?
12:40<rss>juhaj: udma/100 is not what i would expect to see. unless you cdrom is stall a pata device. On my sid machine which is i386 with pata all devices are address as scsi devices
12:40<juhaj>Or, is there a way to reinitialise the sata link (or something) just in case? At boot it says: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xf2826000 port 0xf2826100 irq 44, *not* udma/100
12:41<juhaj>There is no cdrom
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12:41<DrSampler>i am on squeeze debian-amd64, dual core amd cpu, and sata 1.5tb drive
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12:42<DrSampler>no problems at all, debian works with amazing speed
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12:42<rss>juhaj, meet DrSampler, DrSampler meet juhaj
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12:43<DrSampler>however, my m/b is relatively old, and so, sata controller is old, too
12:44<rss>juhaj: my last thought is bios settings that try to enforce legacy modes instead of newer ones.
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12:45<juhaj>DrSampler: Yes, I've got another one, which works fine, too.
12:45<juhaj>rss: That driver issue is another possibility. IBM's bios does not give me much option to change settings
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12:46<DrSampler>i think your problem is at debian sata driver
12:46<DrSampler>however, its just my opinion
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12:47<rss>juhaj: IBM? don't you mean lenovo?
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12:52<juhaj>rss: Ah, sorry, yes. The old one was IBM and thinkpads are still ibms to me
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12:53<juhaj>DrSampler: That seems to be what rss thinks, too. Do you have any ideas as to how to check that?
12:53<juhaj>The other issue is the dbus-daemon: should it really take >130 MB of RSS?
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12:54<juhaj> says ahci.ko is the correct one...
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12:55<DrSampler>you may try to install debian on pata (legacy-ide) or on usb flash drive
12:56<DrSampler>and turn off sata at bios. this can really tell where problem is
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13:07<juhaj>DrSampler: Hmm... usb flash sounds like an option, but cannot do that now: too big an operation for just a couple of hours to spend on it. Any other ideas to test?
13:08<DrSampler>sorry, no out of ideas
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13:10<DrSampler>may be you should check hardware manufactuter's site, for a linux driver
13:10<DrSampler>just dunno
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13:12<juhaj>DrSampler: I thought Intel's sata driver is the one in the kernel?
13:13<DrSampler>you have intel sata onboard?
13:13<DrSampler>it is new
13:14<ompaul>lshw might help
13:15<kendle>is there way to completly remove and reinstall keyboard mapping/layout ?
13:15<sortadi>who administers Debian Brazil official mirrors?
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13:17<ompaul>sortadi: no they are managed by people in .br and they sync up with every few hours - if they misstep then you may need to prod the local people to take another look
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13:18<sortadi>ompaul, ok
13:18<ompaul>sortadi: and there are times of you are tracking sid or testing when you will update during the great rsync and it just feels wrong leave it 30 mins and all is good
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13:19<sortadi>ompaul, I see, that's happening to me right now
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13:23<ompaul>sortadi: it happens -- now you have a time always go a little time after now
13:25<doliver>hello everyone
13:25<doliver>i need help with the follow error
13:25<doliver>gnome-panel: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbo: g_desktop_app_info_get_filename
13:25<doliver>Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
13:25<doliver>Unable to open desktop file epiphany.desktop for panel launcher
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13:44<tash>I heard once that Google Chrome have some spyware, does this apply to the chromium that debian has in the repo ?
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13:46<ompaul>tash: have a look here
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13:48<tash>ompaul: so, it doesn't?
13:48<tash>ompaul: I read google add it after
13:48<tash>ompaul: I read it now
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14:14<amakusa>the nvidia driver is uninstalable for sid using the debian way at the moment
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14:23<sney>amakusa: yeah, a lot of things are wonky about 2.6.37
14:23<sney>I doubt it'll make it into testing at all, they'll probably move up to 2.6.38
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14:26<babilen>amakusa,sney: ... which arrived in experimental some days ago
14:26<sney>babilen: yeah exactly
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14:38<jhutchins>I've only been using Debian for a couple of years now, do they release odd-numbered kernels?
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14:38<jhutchins>It's been my impression that the odd ones were all unstable/experimental.
14:39<sney>2.6.29 was in squeeze for a little while
14:39<sney>and it was workable enough to be in lenny-backports as well
14:39<dvs>2.7 would be a testing kernel
14:39<sney>but I don't think they usually hit actual stable releases, not
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14:41<SynrG>jhutchins: you're confusing something out of ancient kernel history
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14:42<SynrG>version#s no longer work that way. not in a very long time
14:43<magicsito>Buenas tardes :)
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14:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:44<magicsito>sorry sney :)
14:44<sney>no te preocupes. but in this channel we only speak english.
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14:45<magicsito>hehe sorry again, I was using /amsg :P
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14:47<amakusa>sney, babilen: I guess ever since squeeze was released unstable became really unstable, it was very stable before
14:47<sney>welcome to the development cycle
14:47<babilen>!tell amakusa about slushy
14:48<babilen>sney: And I can only welcome you as well :)
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14:49<amakusa>it's giving me no info on slushy
14:49<amakusa>I'll just look it up
14:50<babilen>amakusa: Also note that Debian's definition of "stable" does not mean "no bugs", but rather "no new versions, features or bugs". That Debian is also stable in the sense of "rock solid" "almost no bugs" and "secure" is an effect of Debian's policy to release with as few RC bugs as possible.
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14:51<babilen>amakusa: You should have received a private message from dpkg.
14:51<dpkg>When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
14:51<babilen>amakusa: That ^^^^ one
14:51<jhutchins>SynrG: Well, I know that the odd secondary number (ie 2.7) still indicates a developmental kernel, but I was refering to the tertiary number, ie 2.6.32 is stable, 2.6.35 & .37 are experimental.
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14:53<amakusa>babilen: I see, it did't appear the first time and googlge was only giving me info on slushy beverages
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14:54<babilen>amakusa: testing is "frozen" and sid is "slushy" (partially frozen)
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14:57<jhutchins>Except right now testing isn't frozen at all.
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14:58<lord_rob>there are big updates in sid atm
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14:59<valdur55>how about new xfce?
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15:00*lord_rob is using kde
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15:05<valdur55>oh. xfce 4.8 in on exp repo
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15:11<dougmencken>hi! I'm sure you can help me
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15:11<dougmencken>you always like to package every new file into some package :)
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15:12<dougmencken>which deal can has it with "libmagic" (on sourceforge)?
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15:12<dougmencken>you do package libmagic separately!
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15:32<valdur55>how can use nvidia tv-out (s-video) with debian?
15:33<dougmencken>valdur55: they do use proprietary (i.e. shit) drivers
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15:33<amitz>valdur55: have you tried xrandr, assuming xrandr can recognize your driver/card?
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15:34<valdur55>the driver is installed
15:34<valdur55>and wroks with VGA monitor
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15:35<dougmencken>vga monitor? what's that? is is framebuffer capable?
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15:37<valdur55>usual monitor
15:37<valdur55>LCD monitor with VGA cable
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15:39<dougmencken>valdur55: which DE/WM do you use? if gnome, just pick system -> Prefs -> Display
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15:40<angellips>still hurting after no boot after ^ to lucid; lenny to squeeze not going well, want to reinstall. Any known problems esp. re. grub & udev?
15:40<valdur55>dougmencken, i use xfce, he display isn't showing someting interesting
15:42<dougmencken>valdur55: your card's manufacturer? ati/amd --> #radeon@freenode, nvidia --> #nvidia@freenode
15:42<valdur55>doubledutch, nvidia :)
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15:43<babilen>valdur55: And ask in here for driver installation instructions please (i.e. don't use their method, but one of the dkms packages in Debian)
15:43<babilen>!tell valdur55 -about nvidia
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15:44<jeremyS>I have a USB mouse which is lighting up, but is not controlling anything
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15:45<jeremyS>Where would I check for log messages to fix it?
15:45<jeremyS>plugging it in and unplugging it does not make it show up in dmesg
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15:47<dougmencken>jeremyS: uname -r (make sure it's not 8.1 :)
15:47<dougmencken>it's linux, wow
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15:49<dougmencken>jeremyS: 'lsusb' before and after you plugunplug your mice
15:49<jeremyS>Yeah, it's the same
15:49<jeremyS>before and after unplugging
15:49<jeremyS>I have another mouse that does work
15:49<jeremyS>'m using it now
15:49<jeremyS>So it's not the USB port
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15:50<dougmencken>jeremyS: lsmod
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15:50<jeremyS>with the v
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15:51<dougmencken>"usbhid 33292 0"
15:52<dougmencken>everything is okay
15:52<jeremyS>I can tell you that the mouse lights up, and brightens when I move something under its detector
15:52<jeremyS>If that means anything
15:53<jeremyS>holy shit, it just started working
15:53<dougmencken>jeremyS: if you don't have smth like "usb 2-1.2: USB disconnect, address 17" on un-pluggin usb mouse, your kernel is broken
15:53<jeremyS>It shows up in lsusb now
15:53<dougmencken>jeremyS: which magic have you did?
15:54<jeremyS>I just clicked it some
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15:54<jeremyS>And moved my hand around underneath it.
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15:54<jeremyS>okay, now it is working perfectly
15:54<jeremyS>showing up in dmesg
15:54<SynrG>jhutchins: no, they abandoned that when they abandoned odd/even secondary #s at 2.6.x
15:55<jeremyS>Thank you!
15:55<jeremyS>Although I am a bit concerned it may fail again in the future.
15:55<dougmencken>jeremyS: say hello to your mice and punch it :)
15:55<SynrG>jhutchins: i mean, to indicate development/stable. every release is stable now.
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16:21<oliverl>Hello everybody, is here someone who has in deep softraid knowledge?
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16:22<sney>like md? I haven't used it in a while but many people here use it all the time, ask your question and someone may know
16:22<oliverl>I've a lot of trouble with a faild Raid10 after apt-upgrade
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16:22<oliverl>it's showing only 2 active partitions (out of 6)
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16:23<oliverl>no idea, what has happened
16:23<oliverl>the 4 missing partions are marked as spare
16:24<oliverl>I can provide logfiles if needed
16:25<sney>start by describing your setup and then tell us the exact steps of what you did
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16:26<oliverl>6 1TB Samsung hd's
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16:26<oliverl>each divided into 3 partitions
16:26<oliverl>6 * 10GB
16:26<oliverl>6 * 6GB
16:26<oliverl>6 * rest of space
16:27<oliverl>sd[a-f]1 are a raid10 holding the debian system
16:27<oliverl>sd[a-f]2 are a raid10 swap
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16:28<oliverl>sd[a-f]5 are a huge LVM for data and xen DomU's
16:29<oliverl>first RAID10 and on top a LVM
16:30<oliverl>after an apt-get update & apt-get upgrade I rebooted the system next day (can't recall the reason)
16:31<oliverl>after approx. 1h my set top box lost the connection to the server but could find the server after appropriate command on the set top box
16:32<oliverl>next evening when I came home my wife told me that the set top box was no longer able to find the server so I decided to reboot the server once more
16:33<oliverl>after reboot md2 wasn't available anymore
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16:34<oliverl>checking the syslog and each hd with SMART tools didn't show any hd error
16:35<oliverl>since then the situation is that sda5 is marked as spare, sd[bc,]5 marked as active and sd[d-f]5 marked as spare
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16:36<oliverl>mdadm -E /dev/sd[a-f]5 shows all hd's with status clean, checksum correct
16:36<oliverl>what can I do?
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16:38<oliverl>when I try to assamble the array sda5 seems to be added but sd[e-f] are giving a: resource busy
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16:39<oliverl>the arry didn't start
16:40<oliverl>while doing this the system is running under Knoppix 6.4 from an USB stick
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16:40<oliverl>@sney: any ideas?
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16:52<madducks>hi, I was running a dist upgrade from lenny to squeeze on ppc arch using the release notes, and after the initial reboot from running apt-get update, installing the new kernel, and udev, before running apt-get dist-upgrade, I cannot no longer authenticate as root, though I can as a regular user
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16:52<madducks>even after booting into single user and removing the password from shadow, I still can't authenticate
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16:53<madducks>logging in as regular user and attempting su initially produce authentication service cannot retreive authentication info, so I set uid on /usr/bin/passwd and that no longer occurs, but I still can't authenticate as root
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16:56<weasel>madducks: interesting
16:57<madducks>weasel, I've been working on it intently all day, I'm at a total loss
16:57<weasel>madducks: is /bin/su mode 4755?
16:57<weasel>(and root:root)
16:57<madducks>one moment on that
17:02<madducks>weasel: sorry about that wait, that's an affirmative
17:04<weasel>madducks: is root login broken through su and login?
17:04<madducks>both, yes
17:05<weasel>show me the first line of /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd, the contents of /etc/nsswitch.conf, and your /etc/pam.d/login and any common- files it includes
17:05<weasel>best paste them to or something like it
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17:06<madducks>k, this will take me a moment
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17:21<weasel>madducks: what happens when you change your shadow to have 0 in the 3rd field instead of a negative number?
17:21<madducks>one moment
17:22<weasel>what does auth.log say when a login fails?
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17:24<weasel>and what is in /etc/securetty
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17:26<madducks>weasel auth.log says login[1117]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty1/ FOR 'root', Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info
17:26<madducks>when trying su it says FAILED su for root by madducks
17:26<madducks>my username
17:26<weasel>is /dev/tty1 in /etc/securetty?
17:27<madducks>under #Virtual consels it has tty1
17:27<madducks>but not /dev/tty1
17:28<madducks>I'm rebooting to try the change to shadow
17:28<madducks>do you want all securetty?
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17:29<madducks>it's forcing an fsck, this will be a moment
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17:29<madducks>thanks for your patience and help
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17:30<weasel>(why are you rebooting multiple times? you could just have copied bin/bash to a place when you were root once and set it u+s for now. just don't forget to kill it afterwards :)
17:30<jhutchins>madducks: Check the uid on /etc/shadow
17:30<madducks>I didn't know that! I'm not a clever man
17:31<madducks>weasel, changing the third field in shadow fixed the problem
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17:31<madducks>I can now authenticate as root
17:31<madducks>thank you so much
17:32<weasel>maybe the clock was way way off when you ran passwd once?
17:32<madducks>well, the clock initially was way off way back when I set up this system, years ago
17:32<madducks>but during upgrade it's been fine...
17:33<madducks>so I can know how much beer to drink: on a scale of 1 to 10, how stupid was my problem?
17:33<weasel>it was weird
17:33<weasel>"man shadow" describes the fields of the shadow file,
17:33<madducks>duly noted: rtfm more
17:33<weasel>your field wasdate of last change, and negative values are maybe considered illegal now or something
17:34<madducks>thank you again, you've absolutely saved my day
17:34<weasel>you're welcome
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17:35<weasel>I visit every day
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17:37<seeS>i cant believe i checked that url
17:38<weasel>quick, add it to your rss reader
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17:38<seeS>there is only so much fluffy cuteness i can take
17:38<weasel>nooo isn't an option
17:39<seeS>i think i will go for a short walk and have another coffee now
17:39<weasel>also add while you're at it.
17:39<weasel>(tho they aren't as good as dailykitten, unless they show cats)
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17:47<seeS>i wasnt in favour of mandatory internet filtering before
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17:59<va>How do I install an ATI-Radeon3850 video card on a newly compiled kernel in debian-6?
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18:02<seeS>is that a reasonably modern card?
18:02<seeS>there is fglrx drivers
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18:04<seeS>i'd try the radeon ones which come with xorg and then the fglrx
18:04<va>2.6,32 kernel went in with this command:
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18:05<va>aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver
18:05<seeS>ok, so you compilied your kernel and then its stopped working?
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18:07<seeS>what version of kernel did you have before?
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18:08<seeS>ok, so you should have the firmware-linux-nonfree installed already
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18:09<seeS>have you read specifically around which things need to be modules?
18:09<va>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6-"
18:10<seeS>remove a -2.6
18:11<va>I did that
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18:12<seeS>i see where you got that install line
18:13<seeS>that would try to install linux-headers-2.7-amd64 for example
18:13<seeS>err 2.6
18:13<va>aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')_lnv1_amd64.deb fglrx-control fglrx-driver
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18:14<va>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-"
18:14<seeS>right... but you said you compilied your own kernel for smoe reason
18:14<seeS>so that doesnt apply
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18:15<seeS>because a self-compilied kernel will have its own headers
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18:16<va>what can I do?
18:16<seeS>have you tried just not installing the headers?
18:17<va>I do not know how to do this
18:18<seeS>its a bit tricky with your own kernel, thats what making it more difficult but just do aptitude install fglrx-control fglrx-driver
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18:23<va>Why you can not install this
18:23<seeS>what is that? looks like a script
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18:25<va>This is the name
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18:26<va>the file for ATI
18:26<seeS>try runnig it
18:26<seeS>hello RD
18:27<RD>hello sees, seems a popular place in here
18:27<seeS>most of them are asleep i think
18:27<RD>been searching internet all day trying to find info for installation issues with debian
18:27<RD>found this link and seemed a good place to start
18:28<seeS>depends on the issue but we'll try
18:29<RD>trying to find tigon/tg3_tso.bin
18:29<gsimmons>dpkg: tell RD -about tg3
18:29<seeS>must be a common question!
18:30<RD>am guessing it is, after looking, it seems an issue with my gig nic cards
18:30<seeS>i got those and ignored it, but yes install the firmware and it should be ok
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18:31<RD>i was able to go through with ignoring it and went install into grafical interface, and has internet on both nics, after i reinstalled, and went into command line, it seems i may not have internet
18:32<seeS>those files only seem to be for additonal features, not base features
18:33<seeS>so with no internet are you at least seeing the device and has it got an ip address?
18:34<RD>during install yes, i can configure the device
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18:35<seeS>ok, and then you reboot and then the problems start?
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18:35<RD>at get-apt update i got no responce from servers or invalid servers, i had thought it was due to not loading nics
18:35<RD>am rebooting now into command line
18:35<seeS>ok, because it might be many things
18:35<RD>am installing on a pe-1750 which takes 6 weeks from sunday to reboot, so will take a few minutes
18:36<seeS>if network-manager is doing its thing, you might need to be logged into the gui which is ok for laptops etc
18:36<RD>i went with no gui install
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18:36<seeS>ah, the "boot and go have a coffee and short stroll" feature
18:36<RD>short scroll?
18:37<RD>am rather new to linux, so don;t know much yet,
18:37<seeS>stroll; walk
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18:37<RD>am at command prompt now
18:37<seeS>so /sbin/ifconfig should show up the eth0 device
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18:38<seeS>second line "inet addr:" has an ip address
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18:41<RD>ok, yes, is showing my first eth card
18:42<seeS>with an ip address?
18:42<va>I did! so
18:43<seeS>and the address "makes sense" ie its what you expect
18:43<RD>yes, the address i plugged in earlier
18:43<seeS>can you ping your router?
18:43<RD>though don;t know what that bcast number is
18:44<seeS>it has one though?
18:44<RD>yes has 1
18:44<seeS>broadcast most likely is the same as your IP with the last number 255
18:44<RD>don;t know my router address on the netwrk, set it up couple years ago, never looked back at it
18:44<seeS>va: did it work?
18:45<va>305 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.886 FPS
18:45<seeS>rd: netstat -nr should show a line starting with in first column
18:45<seeS>second column is your router
18:45<RD>no, seems it picked up all 5 ip's from my business cable lines, the last 3 in the bcast is the last series number of ip range
18:46<seeS>va: thats low
18:46<seeS>rd: ah ok, its a small block
18:46<seeS>va: my crummy card gives me 4452 frames
18:46<RD>ok, is showing 2 lines, 1 i am guessing for each eth port?
18:47<seeS>oh, two ports. then it could be. two default routes (lines startuing with will confuse things
18:48<RD>yeah i tried to disable 1 via bios, but even with both disabled it saw 2 of them.
18:48<seeS>the iface column at the end tells you
18:48<va>be configured?
18:48<seeS>va: my guess is you are running the standard driver, you need to edit your xorg.conf file to use the accelerated driver
18:49<seeS>rd: ifconfig eth1 down will do it for now
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18:49<va>how come?
18:50<seeS>va: because a modern ATI card should be much much better than my card
18:50<seeS>va: glxinfo | grep render
18:51<seeS>mine says:
18:51<seeS>direct rendering: Yes
18:51<seeS>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RS880 9710) 20090101 TCL DRI2
18:51<RD>ok, eth0 shows the info i plugged in manually, eth 1 does not show any info
18:51<RD>hust mac id etc etc
18:51<seeS>ah, if you plugged in manually how did you know what your gateway/router was
18:51<va>direct rendering: Yes
18:51<va>OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3850
18:51<va> GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color,
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18:51<RD>info supplied by cable company
18:52<seeS>ok, so thats good
18:52<seeS>try pinging an ip address
18:52<seeS>ping -n
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18:53<RD>how do i get it to stop pinging
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18:54<seeS>vA: it seems it is working then
18:54<RD>yeah, seems to be working fine
18:54<seeS>rd: sonuds like a resolver issue
18:54<RD>so maybe a problem with my sources.list
18:54<seeS>rd: try ping -n
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18:55<RD>unknown host
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18:56<seeS>rd: ah ha, resolver problems
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18:56<seeS>rd: your cable company should of given you a "dns server" address or "domain name service" address
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18:57<RD>that they did not, i thought i was supposed to create that
18:57<Arrowmaster`>seeS: glxgears of almost exactly 60fps is much more likely the result of vsync/vblank than anything else
18:57<neatmeat>that nick is so fitting ;)) well virtually
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18:58<m3>that doesnt mean you look better but i feel better with looking like me
18:58<seeS>rd: they are supposed to tell you what it is
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18:59<seeS>arrowmaster: oh ok, so maybe its allgood then
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19:00<Arrowmaster>although when i just checked on my system glxgears had a nice little notice saying "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate."
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19:02<RD>that is robably where i messed up, where it asked for domain name, i put in my internet website name.
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19:03<RD>which i want to host on this, and have other users of the network connect to
19:03<seeS>rd: most likely. it must be an IP address
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19:09<RD>ahh, ok, yeah just found the email, i see the dns address
19:11<seeS>rd: edit /etc/resolv.conf
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19:11<seeS>each line will look like "nameserver"
19:11<seeS>rd: with whatever they gave you
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19:14<RD>no write permission for file etc/resolv.conf
19:14<seeS>you must be root to do it
19:14<seeS>or sudo
19:14<RD>type error
19:16<RD>unknown mime-type for /etc/resolv.conf -- using application/octet-stream
19:16<seeS>what are you using to edit it?
19:17<RD>just typed edit, as you had written
19:17<RD>first time playing in linux command prompt
19:17<seeS>oh ok, i meant use an editor but did it work?
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19:18<seeS>im not even sure what the default text editor is
19:18<RD>was in vi earlier
19:18<seeS>if you understand vi then you can use that
19:18<seeS>vi /etc/resolv.conf
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19:26<RD>understand it, somewhat, just trying to figure how to save and exit now
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19:29<seeS>RD: ZZ
19:30<RD>shows stopped then file, also created a .swp file too
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19:30<RD>but when i repopen it shows the changes
19:30<seeS>stopped means ctrl-z
19:30<seeS>not two capital Z
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19:32<RD>ok, botcha saved now
19:32<k-man>can you tell monit, from the command line, to stop monitoring something for a while?
19:33<seeS>rd: should work now
19:34<RD>still get unknown host
19:34<seeS>if you cat /etc/resolv.conf you get a line or two saying "nameserver" ?
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19:39<RD>heh, it didn;t save the first time, ping to irc sucessful
19:39<rhebi>I'm having some trouble with an unstable gnome-panel and some applets.
19:39<RD>and get update working, thank you very much, this should get me to my next stumping
19:40<rhebi>any issues on squeeze?
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19:41<RD>and now is upgrading, so looks like i am up and going again : )
19:42<seeS>rd: excellent!
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19:53<RD>and a sucessfull ping back to debian box, looks like i might be set
19:54<RD>what do people normally use for virus scan and such on debian, any ideas?
19:54<sney>virus scan?
19:54<RD>virus software rather
19:54<sney>I mean, if you have a samba share or an email server, sure
19:55<sney>but there are no linux viruses in the wild
19:55<RD>was hoping for that for an answer
19:55<seeS>rd: no virus checkign required for linux
19:55<seeS>rd: for files passing through there is clamav
19:55<sney>clamav is one name I hear tossed about for the "hosting things in a windows environment" use, as is f-prot. but if you're just using the debian box for personal use it's totally uneccessary
19:56<RD>have been handed the project of creating a network at work, between 2 offices and my house
19:56<RD>played around with win server a bit, but have about given up on that idea
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20:00<user01_>are these new amd fusion devices ok with debian?
20:00<user01_>cant find any install stuff for them
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20:02<Mahmoud>hallo e 1
20:02<ebest97>hello Mahmoud
20:02<Mahmoud>I am new in back track
20:02<Mahmoud>can u help me pls
20:03<Hydroxide>Mahmoud, ebest97: this is not a general-purpose chat channel, and this isn't a backtrack support channel. please take those conversations elsewhere.
20:03<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
20:03<ebest97>Hydroxide, I was just being polite/
20:03<ebest97>I apologize\
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20:03<ebest97>fail keyboard this is
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20:04<Mahmoud>in windows we got delete com what is it in lynux
20:04<Hydroxide>ebest97: ok, no worries. I included you in the highlight since it was consistent with various other pairs of people joining in the past. if you were going to stay on topic, great
20:04<Hydroxide>ebest97: (he joined right after you)
20:04<ebest97>Ok. But is it ok if I be polite to people?
20:04<Hydroxide>ebest97: yes :)
20:04<ebest97>yeah i know
20:04<ebest97>but i dont know him
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20:04<Hydroxide>ebest97: ok. I was just reacting based on usual patterns. no worries.
20:04<ebest97>I understand
20:05<Hydroxide>Mahmoud: if your question is about backtrack linux, please take your question to their support channels, not here.
20:05<Mahmoud>no no
20:05<Mahmoud>linux mint
20:05<Hydroxide>Mahmoud: or linux mint, or anything besides debian
20:05<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>.
20:06<sney>Mahmoud: open your server list again and this time click "ubuntu servers" before you press connect
20:06<Mahmoud>ok sry again
20:06<Hydroxide>sney: well, if he's not using ubuntu, that'd also be wrong :)
20:06<Hydroxide>sney: (doesn't look like linux mint uses freenode)
20:06<sney>Hydroxide: the ubuntu servers entry goes to freenode
20:06<Hydroxide>sney: see above
20:06<ebest97>No Hydroxide
20:06<sney>and he's most likely on backtrack anyway, he's just a "hacker" trying to be stealthy
20:06<ebest97>They don't
20:06<Hydroxide>ebest97: right
20:07<ebest97>I used LM for a while
20:07<ebest97>but meh
20:07<Mahmoud>no I am not
20:07<sney>-Mahmoud- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
20:07<Mahmoud>I heard about it
20:07<Hydroxide>sney: I'm doing various bits of giving the benefit of the doubt, while being cautious :)
20:07<Mahmoud>and do't know what is it
20:07<Hydroxide>sney: hah, nice
20:07<Hydroxide>sney: good find
20:07<Mahmoud>I got linux mint
20:08<sney>Mahmoud: please find the correct place for your questions. this is not the correct place. go.
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20:08<ebest97>sney, I am currently depressed with 6
20:08<ebest97>I am angry that the Software Manager from Failbuntu comes with it.
20:08<Hydroxide>sney: wow, I was about to type a last warning before setting him +q. Nice to not need that :)
20:09<sney>I have a great track record getting lost noobs to leave on their own
20:09<Hydroxide>sney: that's good
20:09<sney>ebest97: what, synaptic? just remove it if you don't like it. I haven't looked at synaptic in over a year
20:09<Hydroxide>ebest97: you definitely don't need to use update-manager on debian. it sounds like you're using gnome so I'll let someone who uses gnome (i.e. not me) suggest what to use
20:09<Hydroxide>or ubuntu's software installer thingies
20:09<ebest97>sney, No.
20:10<ebest97>I've used Linux for ~2 years
20:10<ebest97>and usually use KDE
20:10<ebest97>but most of my favorite KDE distros fail on my computer
20:10<ebest97>As my graphics card sucks.
20:10<Hydroxide>I do too :) you can use KDE on squeeze too
20:11<ebest97>I know
20:11<Hydroxide>but, yeah, KDE has gotten a bit graphics card-dependent too
20:11<Hydroxide>which isn't great
20:11<ebest97>But it's just those distro's X config
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20:11<Hydroxide>anyway, I need to head afk now, so I'm sure everyone else can recommend what package manager and other tools to use :)
20:11<sney>I peeked at it while squeeze was still in testing, and the default look at least is a bit ... windowsy
20:11*Hydroxide → not-here &
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20:13<sney>my minor peeve with 6.0 is the fact that nouveau ships with it. I understand the reasons, but it still makes for a support headache, and it is *not* stable software
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20:15<ebest97>agreed sney
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20:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:47<RD>have webadmin working, thank you seeS for your help, is it ok if i just lurk here, maybe learn a few pointers here and there, maybe nlurb out some noob questions?
20:47<sney>of course
20:48<sney>webmin is pretty awful, though. I'd recommend avoiding using it as much as you can.
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20:48<RD>was just in putty earlier
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20:49<sney>!free whcp
20:49<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
20:49<Ibrahim>eh, ok sney.
20:49<Ibrahim>I wam thinking to install Debian but I'm not sure if I can do it.
20:49<seeS>rd: sorry rd, yes its fine to lurk here
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20:49<sney>Ibrahim: it's pretty painless on most computers. what are you unsure about?
20:50<Ibrahim>last time it didn't work for me and re-installed windows.
20:50<Ibrahim>sney: I just not know much about your commands. :)
20:50<Ibrahim>a lot of commands to do things actually.
20:51<dvs>Ibrahim: what "didn't work"?
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20:51<RD>so webmin is not very good?
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20:51<Ibrahim>dvs: Debian or Linux. whatever you name it.
20:51<sney> has a lot you can read to become more comfortable. a great thing about linux operating systems is that there is always a manual for what you want to do
20:52<dvs>Ibrahim: nothing specific?
20:53<Ibrahim>dvs: I installed ubuntu, then debian. I try to use Linux, but it's so complicated for me, a lot of commands to install/remove something. every thing with cmds actually. so i removed.
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21:11<RD>ok, took a look at that link that dpk.g replied with, am following an install manual of sorts, if i make chhanges with webmin, will i be able to undo, or change with other control panels?
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21:20<sney>RD: yes, but you might not know what they all are
21:20<RD>all my changes you mean?
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21:28<sney>RD: yeah, along with being insecure, webmin is not exactly verbose about what exactly it is doing
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21:29<RD>hrmm. most likely i am going to mess this install set at some point and going to have to reinstall
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21:34<edlang>Hello. I a little while ago I sent an email to debian-user asking about the status of the havp package in squeeze. Does anyone know what is happening to that package?
21:34<edlang>Is the maintainer AWOL?
21:34<gsimmons>dpkg: havp
21:34<dpkg>HAVP (HTTP Antivirus Proxy) is a proxy using the <ClamAV> anti-virus scanner. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #582306.
21:35<Habstinat>My PSP doesn't seem to be recognized by Debian when plugged in via USB. The PSP realizes it is connected and is charging, but there is no mention of it in Nautilus and I can't get access to the filesystem.
21:35<sney>Habstinat: what does dmesg say?
21:36<edlang>sney: Yeah, I asked about those two bugs. They appear to have been fixed in that the maintainer says they're dealt with in new uploads; those uploads have versions older than the latest in old-stable
21:37<sney>huh. well what I would do in that case is try to contact the maintainer directly
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21:39<Ibrahim>is this "debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso" what I need to install for installing the latest *stable* version of Debian?
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21:40<sney>yes, on amd64
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21:40<Ibrahim>sney: thanks.
21:40<Ibrahim>so, I'm ready. :)
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21:43<sney>Habstinat: 16GB memory stick in the psp? it sees it, I don't know why it isn't auto-mounting, you could try mounting it manually
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21:43<sney>Ibrahim: good luck, let us know if you need any further help
21:44<Ibrahim>ok sney, thanks a lot.
21:44<Habstinat>sney: It's a PSP Go and has a internal HDD. I have definitely used it correctly before on this computer. I tried mounting all of the "/dev/sda"s, but they all didn't work. What are some other mount devices?
21:45<leocade>hey guys i suspect that my display isn't taking orders from gnome display manager. is there a way to fix this?
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21:45<Habstinat>sney: It would usually appear at /media/disk, but there is no such directory at the moment.
21:45<leocade>my displays used to come up as two separate ones but now its one
21:45<sney>Habstinat: sda would be your hard drive, and the sda1 2 3 etc are the different partitions on that one drive.
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21:46<sney>Habstinat: for other devices, you want to look at sdb, sdc, etc
21:46<sney>the dmesg output looks like the psp is showing up at sdc
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21:48<Habstinat>sney: Both sdb and sdc weren't found. Maybe it's a problem with my PSP. I'm going to try changing some settings.
21:48<sney>the dmesg output also looked like you were repeatedly plugging it in and unplugging it. if you weren't, it may be a loose connection / faulty usb cable
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21:49<Habstinat>sney: I was :P
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21:50<sney>hi, Guest2909
21:50<seeS>i found the psp transfers a little flakey
21:50<Habstinat>sney: Doesn't seem to be a problem with my PSP.
21:50<Kido>Do I have IRC debian Brazil?
21:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:51<seeS>but i just put the PSP in usb mode and there it appears
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21:52<Ibrahim>sney: so I burned the .iso file.
21:52<Ibrahim>I just need to reboot now?
21:52<sney>the graphical installer works well these days, I recommend it
21:52<Ibrahim>do you think do I need anything else, or it just will take care of anything I need?
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21:53<Ibrahim>ok, graphical installer.
21:53<sney>unless you are doing your install over a crappy wireless connection, it should be everything you need
21:53<Ibrahim>no, my connection is well for that, I guess.
21:54<costas>Ibrahim, if you're talking about squeeze, on rare occasions you need to use the expert install...
21:54<Ibrahim>costas: it's Debian 6.0, I guess squeeze.
21:54<Ibrahim>sney: isn't it the latest stable version?
21:54<costas>yep, squeeze rocks
21:54<sney>Ibrahim: yes, squeeze = 6.0 = latest stable
21:55<Ibrahim>ooook. :) brb.
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22:01<leocade> hey guys. I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem. I had some issues making my dualhead monitor work with different resolutions so deleted my xorg.conf and removed fglrx, then remade my xorg.conf and reinstalled fglrx. My problem now is that without using xinerama (which gives me window scrolling issues) i cant used the gnome display manager as it tells me that I only have 1 display instead of 2.
22:01<leocade>is there a way for me to fix the scrolling issue or to make gnome display manager take control of my displays?
22:02<jrabbit>Do people have gconftool-2 on kde?
22:02<jrabbit>I'm trying to find another way to sret backgrounds on most DEs besides feh
22:03<costas>leocade, did you read the ATI howto? your card is supported? do you use the proprietary drivers or not?
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22:05<leocade>i am using fglrx and it worked before when i was using xfce instead of gnome so that leads me to think its gnome display manager
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22:05<costas>did you check thoroughly your xorg.conf file? If it works on xfce it should work on gnome as well...
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22:07<leocade>I'm curious as to why gnome is no longer in charge of my displays but as soon as i deleted my conf file and remade another and then installed fglrx, it no longer has any ability to change my display settings
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22:08<leocade>which just before i did recreate the conf file it had no problem (other than different monitors with different resolutions)
22:08<costas>did you try aticonfig? with proprietary drivers there is an app to set up your vga properly...
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22:08<leocade>yes and i used dual head
22:08<costas>including dual monitors etx
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22:10<costas>in case any related packages are not configured properly you could try this solution:
22:11<costas>debsums --changed will report all changed packages, just do an "aptitude reinstall" with the outcome and packages will be reinstalled and conf files will be corrected
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22:12<leocade>okay thanks. I'll give it a shot
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22:12<costas>personally, I used an old ATI card that had hardware issues, so I just bought an nvidia and all is well now...
22:13<leocade>the only problem this gave me till now is that I have to rescale every time i start up (on windows os) and i never had to do it on linux till now
22:14<leocade>which is what gives me the impression that control center ousted gnome display manager
22:14<costas>I used to have similar problems with an ancient ati card of mine, so I threw it away and my nvidia works fine...
22:15<costas>... and I felt fine throwing that piece of garbagge away 8-D
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22:16<leocade>I've had problems with the last nvidia card i had. 7900, they sent it out with like 80% of the products faulty and everyone returned it a month later. mine was acting weird but i kept it for a year and then then it died, they sent me the same model card but with a beefier cooling and it gave out 3 months later
22:16<leocade>so I'm trying out ati
22:17<costas>well, if it works with you it's ok by me...
22:18<costas>your pc is well ventilated? most peeps nowadays don't even now that heat burns their setup...
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22:19<leocade>yessir. so ventilated it sounds liek a jet engine
22:19<costas>my ATI card used to lock up in windows, but worked ok on debian and ubuntu...
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22:20<leocade>thanks for your help I'm gonna head out
22:20<costas>bb leocade
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22:21<brutus>Has anyone here successfully installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
22:24<costas>there's nobody at #debian-kbsd ??
22:24<brutus>They're quiet. Is it bad manners to talk about it in here?
22:24<costas>i don't mind...
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22:28<costas>did you have issues with your installation?
22:28<brutus>The partitioner in the Squeeze installer fails no matter which file systems I choose and how many partitions I choose.
22:28<brutus>The Wheezy installer just fails to begin the installation process.
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22:32<costas>I haven't installed the kbsd yet, looking now for solutions
22:34<wissem>I love talking to dpkg he is awsome :)
22:35<brutus>These failed installations are especially convenient considering grub won't start to let me boot into my old Debian installation now. :D
22:35<jthill>wissem: tell him so
22:35<costas>brutus it would be unwise for me to discuss the kfreeBSD installer, without even test-riding the damn thing..
22:36<costas>does it have an expert install like the gnu/linux?
22:36<brutus>Yeah. I went straight to that on both installers.
22:37<costas>from what you say it fails right when you try to partition your hds right?
22:37<jthill>if you can boot off the cd you might be able to chroot or pivot_root into your old install
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22:39<brutus>After I've picked the file systems and divided the partitions it fails when I start the actual formatting.
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22:40<brutus>I thought it might be because I chose ZFS, but I made sure to try UFS too. It also doesn't work.
22:40<leocade>hey costas
22:40<costas>maby your problem is hardware oriented...
22:40<costas>hey leocade
22:41<brutus>Hardware? Well, I hope not, because I remember reading about others with partitioning problems.
22:41<leocade>costas before i left i decided to try another thing and it worked. I went ot startup programs and added "gnome-display-manager --replace" and it added the monitors back to the gnome display manager and allowed me to use both monitors without xinerama
22:41<leocade>costas in case if you were wondering what happened
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22:42<costas>glad you made it leocade 8-D
22:42<leocade>costas thanks for your help and have a good night
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22:48<costas>brutus I hope you backuped up...
22:48<brutus>Yeah. I did.
22:48<brutus>I wouldn't have started formatting my drive without making backups anyways.
22:49<costas>in your shoes I would try again installing after formatting everything (done that with my amd64 pc and all is fine)
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22:51<costas>anyone with kfreebsd here?
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22:52<brutus>I asked on freenode too. It's so strange how channels with so many people can be so quiet.
22:56<sney>idlers, and often people with no expertise on a topic will just say nothing
22:56<sney>rather than guess and add to the confusion
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23:03<costas>that's why i sticked with gnu/linux...
23:03<costas>good luck brutus, got to run to work,
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23:04<sney>the kfreebsd release is more of a proof of concept than a real usable os at this point
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23:14<brutus>Lol. To be a proof of concept it needs to be installable first.
23:14<sney>it is installable, sometimes
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23:17<brutus>Well, if I could just get past partitioning I might be able to see how well it works.
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