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00:42<amitz>ayaka: you can always try
00:43<amitz>it's harmless after all.
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00:49<ayaka>amitz, well,I just wrong type
00:50<ayaka>how to install x264
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00:51<retrospectacus>!tell ayaka -about search
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00:51<ayaka>retrospectacus, Oh,I want to know a non-free repo
00:51<amitz>!tell ayaka about debian-multimedia
00:52<ayaka>amitz, yes this one
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00:54<ayaka>thank you
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01:00<kingsley>Which text editor(s) let you copy and paste blocks of text with a mouse to the ends of pre-existing lines, without starting new lines?
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01:01<saleem>looks like testing will get KDE 4.6 not as soon as i was expecting :(
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01:12<retrospectacus>kingsley: all of them
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01:18<amitz>kingsley: you need to deactivate insert mode or activate replace mode.
01:19<kingsley>I think it may be related to a feature called "rectangular block selection".
01:19*kingsley needs to go soon...
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01:28<retrospectacus>kingsley: what are you trying to do and how is it not working? Selecting and pasting works approximately the same in all editors, including rectangular selection...
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01:30<saleem>what package with a GUI can i use to convert avi to other media formats??
01:30<kingsley>retrospectacus: Thanks for asking.
01:30<kingsley>retrospectacus: To be a little more specific...
01:31<kingsley>retrospectacus: I'm using a so called "computer algebra system" named "yacas" to pretty print big formulas.
01:32<kingsley>retrospectacus: Yacas is quite clever, but unfortunately, it splits of the pretty printed formulas so no split part is wider than about 40 bytes.
01:33<kingsley>retrospectacus: I would like to re-assemble these split columns into one big and long formula.
01:33<kingsley>retrospectacus: I envision this task a.) using the mouse to copy each split part from yacas's window,
01:34<kingsley>retrospectacus: b.) and using the mouse to paste this as a rectangular block of text to the ends of previously copied line that are already in the editor.
01:35<kingsley>retrospectacus: Note that new lines should not be created in the editor.
01:35<kingsley>retrospectacus: Rather, existing lines should get longer with each copy and paste.
01:36<kingsley>retrospectacus: Eventually, I hope to re-construct the pretty printed formula in its complete width.
01:36<kingsley>retrospectacus: Does that make sense?
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01:38<retrospectacus>yeah. I'm not aware of any way to do that. I'd try it and then drag the errant bits around into place
01:40<amitz>so many tool dependent ways. you can just copy paste the whole thing in one go, and make a script to strip all \n charactter.
01:40<retrospectacus>I'm suprprised yacas won't output it in the right format
01:41<saleem>what package with a GUI can i use to convert avi to other media formats?? can someone help me please? my google search did not help me really
01:41<retrospectacus>saleem: I use mencoder for that but it has no GUI
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01:42<saleem>retrospectacus, i did install mencoder but did not try it
01:42<retrospectacus>amitz he is trying to paste a multiline block entirely "on the right" of annother multiline block if I understand
01:42<retrospectacus>saleem: cool story
01:43<retrospectacus>too bad about the ending
01:43<saleem>i know retrospectacus
01:45<amitz>retrospectacus: yeah, his current problem is how the pasted data has <newline> in between, so the solution is to run a script that strips all the <newline>?
01:46<jm_>kingsley: FTE can do this with mouse, but most other editors can do it at least with keyboard
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01:47<amitz>kingsley: and most tools will not put a <newline> on the pasted data if your mouse stays on the right side and not lower than the line you're trying to copy before you press ctrl+c
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01:55<saleem>retrospectacus, thank you, found an iceweasel addon for it
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02:18<kingsley>jm_: I installed fte.
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02:19<kingsley>jm_: I'm running it, and have pasted the first block of text into it, which looks fine, so far.
02:20<kingsley>jm_: Now I'd like to append another rectangular block of text to the ends of the lines already in fte.
02:20<kingsley>jm_: What should I do?
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02:20<jm_>kingsley: select it, use paste column
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02:23<agronqui>hello, anybody around? I had a question about the 6.0.0 amd64 install dvd #1: is there an easily accesible way to format ext3 partitions with 128 byte inodes? I tried all the manual partitioning stuff, but it only has options for typical usage, and that doesn't look right....? Thanks!
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02:26<kingsley>jm_: I think I followed your advice, and indeed the selected text was appended to the end of the pre-existing text.
02:26<kingsley>jm_: However, I noticed two problems.
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02:26<kingsley>jm_: May I please have some more of your advice?
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02:28<kingsley>jm_: 1.) I happened to notice that not only was the selected text appended into a new column, but also a copy of the text that was already in fte. So, now there are two copies of the text that was originally in fte. The original copy in the first column, and a new copy in the second column. How can I avoid duplicating the text that's already in fte?
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02:30<jm_>kingsley: I don't understand your question
02:30<kingsley>jm_: 2.) I also noticed that the selected text is not vertically aligned with the pre-existing lines in fte. How can I align the pasted column with the pre-existing text? Should I put fte's cursor in a certain position?
02:30<kingsley>jm_: OK, I'll try to explain question "a" better.
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02:31<kingsley>jm_: Excuse me, I'll try to explain question "1." better.
02:32<kingsley>jm_: Imagine, if you will, that I'm using the mouse to paste columns of text into fte side by side.
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02:32<kingsley>jm_: Each column is, say, 20 characters wide.
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02:33<kingsley>jm_: The first column pastes easily into fte, and looks fine.
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02:34<kingsley>jm_: However, when I paste the second column into fte, an additional copy of the first column appears at the bottom of the second column.
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02:35<kingsley>jm_: I expected only the second selected text to be pasted into the second column.
02:35<kingsley>jm_: Does that make sense?
02:35<jm_>kingsley: hmm the description does, but behavior doesn't - it doesn't do that for me
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02:36<jm_>so I must be doing something in a different way
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02:37<agronqui>everything that is green-selected at that moment gets pasted in column style of paste, if I hear you kingsley, is it that you are hitting copy and then later hitting paste and expecting a clipboard style of copy?
02:37<agronqui>at the location of the current grey cursor.....(in my colour scheme)
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02:38<kingsley>agronqui: That's a fair question. To be precise, I'm using the mouse to select text from an entirely different window than fte's.
02:39<kingsley>agronqui: So, I do not hit copy (in fte).
02:39<jm_>kingsley: same here and it works as expected
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02:39<agronqui>hm, maybe make sure there isn't any drag-selected text in fte before dong column paste?
02:41<kingsley>agronqui: I agree.
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02:41<kingsley>Does anyone happen to know how to clear fte's copy buffer?
02:42<jm_>start selecting a new block and then make it empty
02:42<agronqui>and double clicking a single text pixel works for me
02:43<agronqui>*blank text pixel (double click on word selects the whole word)
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02:44<kingsley>Where do you position the cursor in fte before pressing alt-Ins to paste a column?
02:45<agronqui>upper left corner of where you want the block
02:46<kingsley>agronqui: Yes, that's what I assumed.
02:46<kingsley>I'm afraid it remains mystery...
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02:48<agronqui>very odd, what other program are you copying the columns from?
02:49<jm_>try some other text to test it
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02:50<kingsley>jm_: I would like to compliment you on your insightful suggestion.
02:51<jm_>kingsley: so it works OK now?
02:51<kingsley>jm_: I tried other text, and after pressing alt-Ins, was surprised to see the previous selection.
02:52<kingsley>jm_: It appears that Ctrl-Del isn't clearing the buffer.
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02:52<jm_>kingsley: ctrl-del is for deleting selected text, not buffer
02:52<kingsley>jm_: OK, that makes sense.
02:53<jm_>kingsley: but still, it somehow looks like FTE pastest two buffers for you
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02:55<kingsley>Ideally, I could find a way to make yacas (the computer algebra system) not wrap long lines, so I wouldn't have to re-assemble them in at all.
02:56<kingsley>s/in at/at/
02:56<jm_>kingsley: alternatively, try using the paste command
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03:13<bross>ðóññêèå òóò åñòü ?
03:14<mbruins>could you ask it in english? i dont think alot of people will understand it
03:16<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
03:16<mbruins>Ganneff: how did you find out he is from ru? i did a whois but couldnt find anything
03:16<@Ganneff>check his ip
03:17<mbruins>ahh allright smart
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03:37<jww>hello !
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03:38<sejerpz>hi is this the right channel to ask support for debian?
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03:38<jww>sejerpz: yep.
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03:39<sejerpz>ok, I've a problem with compiz: the decorator is not started
03:39<sejerpz>I'm on sid with a gnome desktop
03:40<sejerpz>ah and the compiz version is from experimental :)
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03:41<jww>I'm afraid I use neither sid, gnome or compiz lol.
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03:42<sejerpz>I'm just reading the compiz-decorator script to see what went wrong...
03:43<ayaka>after I installed nvidia driver,tty to low how to high it?
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04:06<kingsley>The source code for the new and improved version of a programming language that was such a good tool for thought that it's author won the Turing Award has just been GPLed, and is evidently now eligible for packaging. It's the "j" array processing language. See
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04:09<dutchfish>kingsley, is there a #channel on irc for J or jconsole?
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04:11<dutchfish>kingsley, i have compiled it, and have made a quick and dirty package, but i have alot of questions
04:12<kingsley>dutchfish: I'm very glad to see that you have compiled it and made a package.
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04:12<kingsley>dutchfish: Your modesty is also a fine quality.
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04:13<kingsley>jsoftware has a "source" email list where you can ask your questions.
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04:14<kingsley>dutchfish: Does that make sense?
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04:16<dutchfish>kingsley, at this stage i would prefer a channel due to the lack of documentation within the source, most of my q are related to the language itself, because i am a newby in regards to that. Yes, that make sense. But at this stage my package would be far form fit for release.
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04:17<dutchfish>kingsley, for your info i am not a debian maintainer, at least not yet, but rather intrested.
04:17<kingsley>dutchfish: And, I do indeed see that freenode has the #jsoftware channel, which evidently has its own eval bot!
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04:17<dutchfish>kingsley, thank you.
04:17<kingsley>dutchfish: You're very welcome. I'm glad I could help.
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05:04<asf>hello i have debian lenny and i add a user like adduser nick , but how he can choiche a different lanuage if he work in ssh ? :)
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05:07<jm_>asf: set locale
05:07<asf>as root or user ? :)
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05:08<jm_>well as user if you only want to change it for one user
05:08<asf>do you know the englssh file name
05:09<asf>set locale ?
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05:19<dpkg>[locale] a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system.
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06:26<trueno>Hi! Is there a way to make sort put spcecial characters in their right order? (spanish accents, ñ)
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06:27<heinvd>Hi there. Is there anyone interested to assist us installing a mail server on our debian web server. we will pay for the service
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06:28<petemc>heinvd: theres a page on that lists debian consultants by country
06:28<Black_Prince>I used this one, and I can tell you, it works great
06:28<jm_>trueno: you mean it does that even if locale is set properly?
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06:30<heinvd>Thanks Guys....
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06:30<trueno>jm_: LANGUAGE=C LC_CTYPE=es_ES rest is set to C
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06:30<heinvd>Black Prince... I saw this is Debian Squeeze.... think it will work on lenny?
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06:31<heinvd>I've battled with this problem for 5 days now.... i need to get it working
06:31<jm_>trueno: set LC_COLLATE too
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06:32<distrojunkie>hello @ all
06:32<trueno>jm_: ok, let's see how it works...
06:33<SynrG>heinvd: long battles with problems perhaps do not belong on irc? did you attempt to get help on the debian-user mailing list? if we are somehow failing to provide you with the answers it may be that you're looking in the wrong places ... or if not debian-user, some list more particularly focused on the package(s) you can't get to work?
06:34<SynrG>i know the interactivity of irc is seductive and addictive, but sometimes it simply fails to get the job done.
06:35<Black_Prince>heinvd There is same one for Debian Lenny
06:35<Black_Prince>Wait a sec
06:35<Black_Prince>heinvd here you go
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06:37<trueno>jm_: it worked GREAT! Thanks a lot!!!!
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06:39<jm_>trueno: no worries
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06:40<Aleric>Hey guys, hope someone can help me :/. I have this old head-less box with stable on it that I never log into: it just runs. It's my firewall, and spam filter... and I run a little website on it where people can log in. This website collected data for many many years, I had at least 5000 registered users.
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06:41<Aleric>The problem now is, I got a mail yesterday from someone who said that my website had been non-functional for weeks.... so I check... and there is no mysqld running :/
06:41<Aleric>I have no idea why - probably since my last upgrade though. Must have been a few weeks ago that I upgraded the box when stable changed.
06:41<Aleric>I had to reinstall mysqld even - the package was gone?!
06:41<Aleric>So, I did... and... database gone :(
06:42<SynrG>be very careful when you are doing package upgrades to *read the full text of what it's going to do before pressing 'y'*
06:42<jm_>!squeeze mysql
06:42<dpkg>Following an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, the "mysql-server-5.1" package is often not installed as a replacement to "mysql-server-5.0". "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"; you may also need to update any customisations to your server configuration from 5.0 to 5.1.
06:42<distrojunkie>soory for the stupid question need a very stable brower which can do flash and move sites and this without freezes its a student project for visuals on 9 screens is there a way to get this under debian ????
06:42<jm_>Aleric: check that ^^^^^
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06:43<heinvd>Thanks Black prince... let me try that one...
06:43<Aleric>I am totally not into databases or sql or anything... I just know that I couldn't log into mysql anymore with phpadmin - I checked if mysqld was running, it wasn't - package wasn't even installed - so I installed it. Now I need to trouble shoot this: I can hardly believe that any debian Stable upgrade would silently erase years old sql databases.
06:43<Aleric>jm_: ok... *reading*
06:43<SynrG>distrojunkie: considering that flash is garbage, you may want to consider the alternatives :P
06:44<distrojunkie>sorry we also have ipad userx
06:44<SynrG>that being said, i'm happy with chromium-browser so far
06:44<distrojunkie>i chromium-browser
06:44<SynrG>and i'm participating in the youtube html5 trial
06:44<distrojunkie>also use
06:44<distrojunkie>i also need avi support
06:44<mercutio22>how can I prevent a user from rebooting/halting the pc?
06:45<SynrG>well, that's the most stable i've experienced. i've been generally unhappy with iceweasel+flash (non-free) on low-end hardware
06:45<SynrG>the solution there is, don't use crap hardware if you want to do flash
06:45<Aleric>jm_: I never use aptitude, I installed it with: apt-get update; apt-get install mysql-server-5.1 ... but I still couldn't login, so I set a new password (probably a brand new database), and then logged in to find it empty - well, two large tables that aren't mine... maybe examples or something.
06:45<SynrG>and finally, where possible, use a movie downloader + external player (e.g. mplayer, vlc)
06:45<distrojunkie>oh forgot to say i use unstable
06:46<SynrG>i know that's not the user experience many people are looking for, though.
06:46<SynrG>but really, performance is *much* better
06:46<jm_>Aleric: maybe you need to import the DB too, check README.Debian
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06:46<Aleric>jm_: Do you know where the file is stored? I'd like at least to make sure I still HAVE the data :/
06:47<distrojunkie>my problem is i cant find any plugins codecx for chromuim !!
06:47<distrojunkie>under debian
06:47<distrojunkie>greets from sunny austria.....
06:47<jm_>Aleric: I think it's in /var/lib/mysql
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06:48<Aleric>jm_: well... that's what myphpadmin says - and there are only files in there with creating time of yesterday... that don't have names that I recognize :/
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06:49<distrojunkie>hate ubnutu
06:53<sylar>since I upgraded to squeeze I am getting these crushes with - "EXT3-FS error (device sda1): ext3_find_entry: reading directory
06:53<sylar>anyone have a clue?
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06:56<Aleric>jm_: It doesn't say anything useful :(. It talks about 'upgrade', but that would apply if the database would still have been working; and it talks about installs -- which is what I had to do because there was no mysql installed at all anymore... It doesn't say "warning, if you do a normal upgrade on debian stable your databases will be hidden and you need this trick to even see they exist" :/
06:57<Aleric>For upgrade it says basically "it should all work"
06:58<SynrG>sylar: have you fscked the drive?
06:58<sylar>SynrG, it is the system disk
06:58<SynrG>that wasn't my question
06:59<sylar>SynrG, no
06:59<SynrG>perhaps you should?
06:59<SynrG>if such problems persist after an fsck, you may have failing hardware
06:59<sylar>I checked it several other time that it happened, and it didn't have fsck problems
06:59<Aleric>sylar: definitely a corrupt fs. You should at least unmount it and run e2fsck -c /dev/sda1
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07:01<sylar>When I google "EXT3-FS error (device ): ext3_find_entry: reading directory" I find a lot of similar problems
07:01<SynrG>if you suspect hardware failure you may want to look at the S.M.A.R.T. info for the drive
07:01<sylar>and I never had this problem before upgrading to squeeze
07:01<SynrG>!tell sylar about smart
07:01<sylar>I suspect squeeze
07:01<SynrG>upgrades exercise the drive vigorously
07:02<SynrG>if you have marginal hardware about to fail, an upgrade can push it over the edge
07:02<sylar>it is a usb drive of sundisk, I don't think it is failing
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07:03<sylar>it is flash
07:03<sylar>and not so old
07:03<SynrG>neither age nor brand is a guarantee against failure
07:03<sylar>I think the problem is in the software
07:03<SynrG>anyway, i've given you the information necessary to troubleshoot. further speculation is unnecessary
07:03<sylar>i'll check the smart
07:04<SynrG>also, that info is not 100% reliable
07:04<SynrG>there can be failure without SMART noticing
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07:07<mercutio22>Can I disable gnome menu shutdown options for a particular user?!
07:07<SynrG>sylar: and don't use S.M.A.R.T. as an indication that the filesystem is fine. there can be filesystem corruption without hardware failure, so *do* fsck the drive
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07:08<SynrG>mercutio22: eys
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07:13<mercutio22>SynrG: by changing groups? Or should I try and find out how to remove the menu option?
07:13<SynrG>i suspect it's a policykit thing
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07:14<SynrG>it was formerly managed through the 'powerdev' group
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07:14<SynrG>but policykit replaces that method, i think
07:14<mercutio22>SynrG: thanks for the hint
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07:16<SynrG>mercutio22: of course, i could be horribly confused and wrong :)
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07:16<SynrG>don't waste much time looking for the answer before consulting again with someone who perhaps knows a bit more about it than me
07:18<SynrG>unfortunately there has been such upheaval in this area relatively recently that i no longer know what the *current* standard solution is.
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07:21<SynrG>mercutio22: my brief reading of the doc indicates polkit-auth may be the key, but i don't know this for certain and have not tested it myself.
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07:23<mercutio22>SynrG: alright man. Thanks. I will look into it
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07:32<classical>I noticed that htop sows different amount of memory utilization than free -m and top does why ?
07:33<tarzeau>classical: example?
07:33<tarzeau>free -m shows the same total amount memory of my system as htop does
07:33<tarzeau>also valid for swap
07:33<tarzeau>as well as with just top
07:33<classical>tarzeau, i have 8 gb ram htop shows 3gb is utilized
07:34<classical>free -m and top shows that 7gb is used
07:34<babilen>classical: IIRC top gives you the free ram with cache buffers
07:34<tarzeau>and free -m the one line says what, post the line please?
07:36<babilen>classical: See the "cached" column?
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07:36<classical>babilen, yes but htop should show me total usage does not it ?
07:36<tarzeau>classical: it does?
07:37<babilen>classical: And the "-/+ buffers/cache:" one? You memory doesn't want to be free. It is used to cache read files, so they reside in memory. That memory is freed if a process needs it.
07:37<tarzeau>classical: see the colors? green , blue, yellow?
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07:37<tarzeau>similar to xosview
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07:37<classical>yes there is colors green and yellow :)
07:38<tarzeau>classical: and you know what they mean?
07:38<classical>no :(
07:39<tarzeau>well yellow is the used including cache
07:39<tarzeau>black is really free
07:39<tarzeau>green/blue i don't know certainly used and then used with something special, maybe looking in the docs or source helps?
07:40<SynrG>classical: press f1. it gives a key for what the color mean
07:40<classical>yes i need to figure out how memory utilization works
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07:40<classical>i don't understand the concept of utilization well
07:42<classical>SynrG, f1 invokes gnome help
07:43<SynrG>use a non-broken terminal :p
07:43<SynrG>or else remap your keys
07:43<SynrG>Gnome Terminal -> Edit -> Keyboard Shortcuts
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07:44<SynrG>find all unmodified F# keys and remap those to something more sane
07:44<classical>so free -m's cached section value is presented in htop as yellow color
07:46<SynrG>classical: so says F1 help for htop, yes. did you remap your keys so you can see it now?
07:46<classical>SynrG, i disabled f1 in my gnome term and now its works
07:47<classical>thanks :)
07:48<SynrG>i hate it that gnome-terminal is broken by default for passing useful keys to apps running within it. i mean, what were they thinking?
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07:48<SynrG>this concept that "F1 is universal and always goes to help" fails utterly with terminals, so they should have made it an exception
07:49<classical>SynrG, what terminal do you use ?
07:49<SynrG>gnome-terminal, properly configured :)
07:49<SynrG>i've dabbled in others, but they all fall short in one department or another
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07:50<SynrG>i like: clickable links, tabs, full-screen mode, proper handling of UTF-8, change font size at a keystroke, reasonable color scheme, decent looking font ...
07:51<SynrG>gnome-terminal delivers in all areas except insane default key bindings and obscene memory usage :p
07:51<SynrG>i tried lxterminal for a bit, but it had bugs in one or more of the above areas that made it intolerable.
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07:52<classical>SynrG, haha yes its pretty Memory hungry
07:52<sylar>SynrG, I did fsck -f and the filesystem was clean
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07:52<SynrG>sylar: and S.M.A.R.T. says what?
07:52<sylar>SynrG, I checked the smart status, and it say it is healthy
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07:52<classical>how can i view memory amount in Mb instead of kb in top ?
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07:54<SynrG>sylar: uhh ... you didn't use -c as was recommended?
07:54<sylar>I forgot
07:54<SynrG>that will do a badblocks check
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07:56<SynrG>sylar: huh? it chooses appropriate values based on size ...
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07:56<sylar>SynrG, what?
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07:57<SynrG>classical: K is used when it fits nicely, and it changes to M otherwise
07:57<sylar>SynrG, I think that if I don't have a problem, and then I have it after an upgrade, then the upgrade did the problem
07:58<SynrG>sylar: that is a possibility that can't be ruled out. but my alternate explanation works in that scenario too (upgrade pushes failing drive over the edge)
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07:59<classical>SynrG, shift - m ?
07:59<SynrG>USB wouldn't be my first choice for reliability though. is it possible to internalize this drive?
07:59<classical>SynrG, shift + m ?
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08:00<SynrG>classical: i'm not telling you what to type ...
08:00<SynrG>classical: htop uses K when appropriate and M when appropriate, automatically.
08:00<classical>i found top -M
08:00<classical>does this
08:00<SynrG>that's all
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08:28<sakrayaami>hello,a i'm searching for a good information and how-to site for Debian, similar to Ubuntu Geek. Im asking here because i trust at first place the people and then Google. Thank you
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08:30<babilen>sakrayaami: Well, there are: and a couple of others, but those should get you started :)
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08:32<sakrayaami>thank you
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08:38<rtheys>I believe debian provided installer images with the non-free firmware files in it as a separate installer? Where can I find it?
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08:39<jm_>rtheys" where did you look?
08:39<babilen>!firmware images
08:39<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install debian>.
08:40<jm_>there are links for them here:
08:40<babilen>rtheys: In general: is a good place to look for images :)
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08:41<babilen>rtheys: But they are also linked from the debian pages as jm_ points out.
08:41<rtheys>babilen: that's were I'm looking but I only see the official cd's and I don't think they have the firmware on them?
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08:42<babilen>rtheys: ? (note the "unofficial" in there)
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08:42<rtheys>ah yes thanks. Are there also netboot images with the firmware in them?
08:42<babilen>also "cd-including-firmware" provides a strong clue :)
08:43<babilen>rtheys: Only netinst AFAIR
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08:43<rtheys>ok thanks
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08:48<babilen>rtheys: ← read that. (I haven't, but it looks relevant)
08:48<babilen>no problem
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08:53<welbster>blz alguém de fortaleza ae?
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09:03<welbster>good morning
09:03<welbster>o live in brazil
09:03<welbster>I live In brazil
09:03<dvs>welbster: the safe side of the continent
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09:04<welbster>of corse
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09:08<jww>Hi babilen .
09:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:09<jww>babilen: I finally had the computer rebooted, and on start eth0:1 wasn't setup. I had to change my network configuration for a static IP, it fixed the problem.
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09:18<j_krista>du votze#
09:18<m_seifer>Wie geht es dir
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09:18<j_krista>das kannst du mich doch acuh vraghen
09:18<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:18<babilen>!ops m_seifer j_krista same person is swearing at each other
09:18<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: m_seifer j_krista same person is swearing at each other
09:18<j_krista>wer dem
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09:19<themill>thanks, babilen
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09:19<babilen>np, don't need that in here :)
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09:20<welbster>anyone here live in the U.S.?
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09:20<welbster>I live in Brazil!
09:21<babilen>welbster: Please note that this is not a social channel, but rather one meant to provide technical support for Debian users. You might want to chat in #moocows or in one of the million other chat channels on IRC. (Although you won't find many of them on this network)
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09:33<Guest256>Sorry for off-topic, can you recommend me a media player for linux, that will let the user to have 2 subtitles simultaneously ?
09:34<Guest256>In windows, kmplayer, mv2player and bsplayer too I guess, so basicly there was a lot and I just moved to linux (actually still dual boot) however I don't want to be bound to windows.
09:34<Guest256>(the kmplayer for linux is just different than the kmplayer in windows. I tried, it doesn't support.)
09:35<SynrG>what do you mean by 2 subtitles? in 2 languages?
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09:39<Wubbbi>Hey guys. I have a problem. I use the new Debian Squeeze and I dont have any sound. I cant hear anything. I have controlled my Mixer options. Everything is on maximum.
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09:41<DrSampler>no one player i know at linux support displaying subtitles in two different languages simulataneously
09:41<DrSampler>and i've tried a lot of them
09:41<babilen>Guest256: IIRC mplayer can do this.
09:41<babilen>Let me check though ...
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09:41<DrSampler>i never knew that
09:41<Guest256>DrSampler, ummm perhaps there is another solution then for my problem ?
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09:42<Guest256>I want to simply, watch movies with 2 subs. Without having to login to windows if possible.
09:42<Guest256>ummm maybe vobsub ?
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09:42<Guest256>or something like that, I have never used vobsub though.
09:42<DrSampler>or some other video editor/dubbing software
09:43<Guest256>Yeah yeah, I will do a google research but just tell me what kind of manipulation I have to do with the video/sub
09:43<Guest256>I know that vobsub / virtualdub or alternatives could do something, however do not know what is that thing needs to be done.
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09:44<DrSampler>Guest256: look above, babilen recomends you use IIRC mplayer
09:44<DrSampler>never tried it
09:44<Guest256>babilen really ? I'll check it a bit later.
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09:46<SynrG>mplayer as a gazillion command-line options. i guess it's just a matter of reading the man page :)
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09:47<eBittin>SynrG: thats a long man page aswell :p
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09:49<SynrG>mhm. actually, the technical term is "metric buttload"
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09:51<SynrG>i'm not seeing it though. i see that with -slang you can list preferred subtitle languages in order of preference ...
09:51<SynrG>but ultimately it selects just one.
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09:53<Guest256>what ? "gazillion" ?
09:53<welbster>I Live in Brazil!!!
09:53<SynrG>made-up very large quantity
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09:58<morou>I have a interesting problem
09:58<morou>I installed vsftpd and configured...
09:58<morou>I turn off firewall iptables -F...
09:58<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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09:59<morou>and i can connect to ftp account only of terminal or mc ...cant do this by filezill batchftp or other client...
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10:00<morou>i dont know why? elier when I have reinstalled system it was working...
10:00<morou>it is not a firewall problem
10:00<morou>of filezilla i cant list directores
10:01<morou>this problem is on proftpd too
10:01<DrSampler>try connecting from command line, or use BareFTP
10:01<DrSampler>that's my favourite client
10:01<morou>bareftp cant list too...only mc and terminal
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10:02<DrSampler>what kind of ftp server you use?
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10:02<DrSampler>never have experience with it.. i use filezilla server
10:02<morou>but when I changer on proftpd was that same
10:02<DrSampler>it works perfectly
10:03<Q-FUNK>howdy! what is the package that provides this cool kernel oops reporting pop-up in the default gnome setup on Squeeze?
10:03<DrSampler>try to set passive mode on client-side, while connecting to server
10:03<morou>filezilla server? hmm i never use it
10:03<DrSampler>it rocks
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10:03<DrSampler>you can test it out, on
10:03<DrSampler>filezilla server installed
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10:04<morou>I used it...on filezilla get to options on passive mode and mark "use out of server ip"
10:04<morou>but ito dont work
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10:05<DrSampler>tell me host/ip of your server, so i can test it out
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10:06<DrSampler>wait a sec
10:07<DrSampler>i cant connect to it, too
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10:07<Oublieuse>Quelqu'un sait quel paquet installer pour pouvoir changer d'utilisateur en graphique?
10:07<DrSampler>it is problem with server software
10:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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10:07<Oublieuse>dpkg, oups, sorry :-)
10:07<dpkg>Oublieuse: i haven't a clue
10:08<morou>DrSampler but you cant conect to it by terminal too?
10:08<Q-FUNK>ah. manually triggered french greeting.
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10:09<Q-FUNK>I almost got excited about dpkg's ability to guess foreign languages. :)
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10:10<juhov>morou: is there supposed to be any files on there? I didn't get any errors but the directory listing is empty
10:10<Oublieuse>Q-FUNK> I'm quite surprised by what can eventually excite you :D
10:10<DrSampler>i recomemend you install different ftp server
10:10<DrSampler>but that's just my opinion
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10:11<Q-FUNK>Oublieuse: t'es taquineuse, en plus? ;)
10:11<morou>juhov: jest ... for anonymous is empty, i can put it some files... for test, you can put some files as anonymous too
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10:11<dpkg>it has been said that fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
10:12<morou>DrSampler: filezila server is so simple as vsftpd?
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10:13<Oublieuse>Oh, I just understood that dpkg is a bot...
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10:13<juhov>morou: well it seems I can connect to it fine, tried with Firefox on Windows and command line ftp on Debian
10:13<Q-FUNK>10 points pour la Frånce
10:13<juhov>morou: can't upload anything though but it's probably forbidden for anonymous?
10:13<DrSampler>morou: generally, yes
10:13<DrSampler>its very easy to setup
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10:14<zaos>hi, i'm having trouble downloading an 4.0 etch. isos seem to be taken down and jigdo can't find many files. suggestions? jigdo log:
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10:14<Q-FUNK>zaos: 4.0 is rather old. we're up to 6.0, these days
10:15<morou>juhov as I said: form command line, web or mc/total comander is ok but of filezilla, bareFTP or other clinet as i know.. lists of directory dont work
10:15<zaos>Q-FUNK: i know that, but i just need it to cross compile to Alpha/OSF
10:16<morou>ehh filezilla server is only for windows platform :(
10:16<juhov>morou: looks like it doesn't work if I put passive mode on, though I'm not sure what that means in the end
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10:17<gsimmons>zaos: You would want to use as the Debian mirror in your situation.
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10:17<zaos>thank you
10:18<SynrG>zaos: don't use jigdo?
10:18<morou>juhov: i know... but elier when system was very new afper installed it was ok... and i can list by filezilla and bareftp
10:18<Q-FUNK>zaos: in that case you can probably get debootstrap to directly fetch the right release when it builds its chroot
10:18<SynrG>there are alternatives to jigdo
10:19<zaos>isos aren't up anymore and the netinst doesn't give me 4.0 at the end of it
10:19<juhov>morou: oh yeah sorry, I missed the part earlier where passive mode was mentioned. I'm afraid I can't think of anything right now
10:19<zaos>it probably thought i shouldn't be using 4.0
10:19<SynrG>then see previous comments re changing to use archive.d.o and ignore me
10:19<Q-FUNK>zaos: so using a Squeeze GCC compiled with multiarch support and debootstrap to build an Etch chroot, you should be alright.
10:20<Q-FUNK>zaos: netinst should work too, as long as you manually specify the mirror to use to
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10:20<zaos>thanks, didn't realize i needed archive.deb
10:21<zaos>SqueezeGCC: not sure if that will work but i'm basically following to produce bins for simplescalar
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10:21<Q-FUNK>zaos: the thing is that since Etch is already 2 releases old, it has been moved out of the regular, so you need to manually specify the mirror, instead of choosing among the regular ones.
10:22<zaos>Q-FUNK: I'll try changing the download location, thanks
10:22<zaos>my end target is spec2006 bins for simplescalar so if anyone is aware of precompiled bins, that works too ;)
10:22<morou>juhov: ok mayby I give you a mail... if you will have some ideas for me? :) ... i have two questions more: 1: howto downgrade from grub2 to grub correcly? when I was remove grub2 by purge and installed grub ..still have grub2 and a lots of files forim it 2] howto install in debian desktop effects ?? I installed compz with adds nut dont have "desktop effects" in themes optios of gnome
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10:24<zaos>thanks everyone for all your help
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10:26<juhov>morou: 1) no idea, never had a reason to do that. 2) no idea about that either sorry, I don't use GUI on my Debian system. :)
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10:27<morou>juhov: ok thanks:)
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10:31<idank>hi, I just installed Debian Squeeze on a box with Windows 7 installed
10:31<idank>at the end of the installation it asked me how to setup the boot loader
10:32<idank>I don't recall what the entire message said but I answered 'yes'
10:32<idank>I think it had something to do with letting me dual boot
10:32<idank>but when I restarted it got into Windows without letting me choose
10:32<idank>what did I do wrong?
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10:37<gus>hi there!!!
10:38<gus>someone can help me on a problem of csh script and crontab and nohup
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10:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:42<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:43<gus>ok sorry
10:44<gus>I want to change a gnome background with a script csh but the program works only if I run by the bash with nohup or crontab dosen't work..
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10:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:48<zaos>gus: you probably need to put your env variables in there
10:48<gus>how can put?
10:48<zaos>or use full paths
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10:48<gus>thanks for help.. could you give a example
10:49<gus>I put /home/gus/photo/ the directory
10:49<vtts>you might need to export the DISPLAY variable
10:50<vtts>if you want for cron to change your active backgrounds with something like feh
10:51<gus>this is my path
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10:51<vtts>gus, what tool are you using to change the background?
10:51<welbster>-rwsrwxr-x 1 root root 18264 Jan 1 02:35 shutdown
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10:52<welbster>i dont execute
10:52<welbster>I am user normal
10:52<gus>gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename
10:52<babilen>welbster: Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying/asking.
10:53<gus>vtts: gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename Is a part of the script in csh
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10:54<welbster>Eu não consigo executar o comando shutdown
10:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:54<welbster>I can not run the shutdown command
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10:54<babilen>*sigh* hehe
10:55<sney>looks like he setuid /sbin/shutdown root
10:55<SynrG>it seems he is abusing suid root to try to get an ordinary user to shutdown
10:55<broucaries>Hi, do you know how to run a automake rule in order to unifdef an include directory ?
10:55<vtts>gus, try adding ". /home/username/.dbus/session-bus" to the script
10:55<SynrG>so if he returns, teach him about sudo
10:55<babilen>broucaries: try #workingset on freenode
10:56<sney>synrg indeed, though we might just kick him over do the br channel anyway. and I've seen this one before, he'll probably say sudo makes it 'too long' and he just wants 'administrator access' on his user account
10:56<gus><vtts> how can export the dysplay variable?
10:57<SynrG>sney: joy
10:57<vtts>gus, you dont need the DISPLAY for gconftool-2
10:57<vtts>it uses dbus
10:58<vtts>and your environment variables should be stored in ~/.dbus/sessions-bus file
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10:59<gus>vtts: thi is the script what do you suggest?
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11:00<vtts>gus, no
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11:01<gus>there is two files
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11:03<gus>dosen't work
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11:03<themill>martina: you want #ubuntu-it on
11:03<gus> any other suggestion
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11:32<Seppoz>stupid debain also messes the file system, suddenly it claims write only, when i reboot i have alot of data loss, yesterday it even killed the whole /home folder
11:32<Seppoz>any ideas?
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11:37<DrSampler>probably your hardware is faulty
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11:38<DrSampler>i once bump on filesystem screw-ups, and that was b/c of faulty memory chips
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12:16<satish>dominick hi!!
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12:22<Seppoz>DrSampler: its a virtual machine
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12:26<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
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12:33<Web-aptosid30>hi all
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12:34<Web-aptosid30>i cant use scim in firefox.
12:34<Web-aptosid30>how to fix that?
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12:34<towo`>in debian, there is no firefox
12:34<towo`>so, who cares
12:35<Web-aptosid30>okay, how to use scim in iceweasle?
12:35<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
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12:39<orjan>I want to setup exim ( on squeeze ) so I can read messages to admin. My user mail is via my isp. I tried the exim setup but not sure which alternative to choose. Hint...howtos ?
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12:41<sney`> probably has good docs. I wouldn't know - never used it
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12:43<orjan>sney`: yes I read for about an hour, lots of docs. There is a setup to exim with alternatives, I was hoping one of them would fit.
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12:59<Seppoz>how to empty the trash in emdebian?
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13:01<retrospectacus>Seppoz: gnome? right-click - empty trash. -_-
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13:01<Seppoz>no kde
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13:02<Seppoz>is there gnome for debian?
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13:03<retrospectacus>gnome is the default DE. KDE I don't know... probably the same thing
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13:03<Seppoz>nice .. now both of my emdebian machines claim "no space on device"
13:03<Seppoz>now how to fix that?
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13:03<retrospectacus>delete files.
13:03<Seppoz>they system just filled 40 gb by itself..
13:04<Seppoz>i didt copy a single file on it
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13:04*retrospectacus shrug... delete files.
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13:05*SynrG . o O ( have we become #emdebian? )
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13:06<Seppoz>retrospectacus: where can i d/l debian with gnome?
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13:08<SynrG>the same place as debian without gnome?
13:08<sney`>Seppoz: apt-get clean
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13:09<SynrG>!tell seppoz about download
13:09<retrospectacus>!tell Seppoz about install debian
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13:09<Seppoz> now which one to take?
13:10<Seppoz>that one i had and it was kde
13:10<retrospectacus>nope it has both. You said you had KDE on your EMdebian
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13:10<Seppoz>no debain
13:11<Seppoz>not emdebian
13:11<retrospectacus>we usually recommend netinst anyways
13:11<Seppoz>typo sorry
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13:11<dpkg>methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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13:11<Seppoz>ok will try that, and on which point i have to select between gnome and debian?
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13:12<SynrG>what? your question makes no sense.
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13:12<Seppoz>yea sorry, i mean gnome and kde
13:13<retrospectacus>when you type either "apt-get install gnome" or "apt-get install kde"
13:13<Seppoz>ahh ok
13:13<sney`>if you install the 'desktop' task then it'll install gnome by default, unless you set desktop=kde (or so...) at boot
13:13<retrospectacus>I believe if you choose to install a DE during the install, you will get Gnome.
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13:14<SynrG>yes. hence my utter confusion. i can't imagine a naive user of CD 1 ending up with kde ...
13:14<Seppoz>ok, will try, thanks
13:14<SynrG>unless you *did* ask for kde, in which case surely you would remember it :)
13:14<Seppoz>well i did no idea how
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13:14<Seppoz>naaw, i hate kde, i would remeber if i coosen it
13:15<SynrG>then maybe you misremembered which image you used?
13:15<Seppoz>yea maybe
13:15<Seppoz>this time ill use netinst
13:15<SynrG>have you had any blackouts lately? maybe an alternate personality tried to assert itself during install.
13:16<SynrG>and he (or she) likes kde
13:16<sney`>maybe you downloaded debian-6.0.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso by mistake.
13:16<SynrG>though occam's razor favours the "wrong image" theory
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13:22<Seppoz>ok i selecked graphical install
13:22<Seppoz>and now its installing
13:23<Seppoz>if i get kde now i have to kill ya xD
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13:26<SynrG>Seppoz: if you get kde now, we return to the multiple personalities theory
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13:29<thewanderer1>guys, this is going to for sure :P
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13:51<ff>heyy snay
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13:51<piccio>i have install now a backtrak i ask a help for this version
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13:52<sney`>piccio: go back to your server list, select 'ubuntu servers', join #backtrack-linux
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14:00<jerryclunsford>I just changed my video card how do I install the new cards drivers it is a nvidia Ge Force FX 5200?
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14:02<retrospectacus>welbster: how's that Debian working for you?
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14:03<welbster>is wonderful!!
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14:04<welbster>I'm sorry, I live in Brazil!
14:04<welbster>can I stay?
14:04<retrospectacus>sweet. I live in the Yukon. It's cold
14:04<retrospectacus>welbster: Yes but you can only speak English
14:04<JesperKP>welbster, dont be sorry... i live in Denmark :-D
14:05<welbster>ok! Tank's
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14:05<sney`>jerryclunsford: you have a few options, /msg dpkg nvidia
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14:05<welbster>Brazil is a beautiful city
14:05<sney`>I thought it was a country
14:06<welbster>yes!! is country
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14:07<welbster>Sorry! my inglish is bad
14:07<jerryclunsford>thank you sney` I'll take a look and see what I can find
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14:08<jerryclunsford>welbster it isn't too bad could be worse
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14:09<retrospectacus>welbster: we see much worse, from people whose native tongue is even English :)
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14:11<dpkg><troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol
14:11<welbster>portuguese is ver y dificulte
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14:12<welbster>retrospectacus, where do you live?
14:12<sney`>welbster: there is also #debian-br
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14:13<welbster>drink too much white horse in Brazil!
14:13<welbster>is wisk!
14:13<sney`>welbster: please, this is a help channel. if you want to chat go somewhere else.
14:13<babilen>welbster: May I suggest #debian-offtopic if you plan to socialise more? :)
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14:17<welbster>I'm sorry! All
14:17<sney`>it's ok as long as you learn.
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14:22<gus>hi there
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14:24<gus>Problem change background with csh script:csh script dosen't work on crontab (i mean the programs run but in the end I can't se the gnome bacground change)
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14:25<retrospectacus>gus, either declare PATH=/usr/bin etc. or use full paths in your script
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14:27<Seppoz>can anybody help me with this:
14:28<zaos>for my deb 4.0 install, should i point the pkg mngr URI to ?
14:28<sney`>Seppoz: can you also paste your sources.list ?
14:29<sney`>zaos: you can if you want, but there are no new updates to etch
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14:29<gus><retrospectacus> could you explain which path I need to change all ($path home/gus/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games)
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14:30<zaos>sney`: i just need to install some packages like build-essential
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14:30<retrospectacus>gus: it needs the path(s) to any executable you will use in your script
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14:31<Seppoz>sney: yes sec
14:31<zaos>did 4.0r9 get patched after release or was it the final final release of etch?
14:32<sney`>zaos anyway you should add both the debian-security and debian sources.list entries since some things may not have gone into updates
14:34<sney`>Seppoz: hmm, you're doing some special emdebian thing, you should probably ask the rest of your questions in #emdebian
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14:34<zaos>sney`: ok, i will find out how to do that right
14:34<SynrG>curious, that page talks about 4.0r8 ...
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14:35<gus>retrospectatus: I wrote that for example /home/gus/script.csh this I wha you mean?
14:35<zaos>oh yeah, i should check to see what version was installed before proceeding further. looks old school tghough
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14:37<hide>Hello. Anyone have a logrotate script/config for rotating rsyncd.log logfile?
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14:39<gus>any suggestions?
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14:44<welbster>someone from the debian project here?
14:44<Seppoz>it always fails at the dependecy
14:44<Seppoz>no matter what im trying to install of the toolchain
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14:46<gus>Problem change background with csh script:csh script dosen't work on crontab (i mean the programs run but in the end I can't se the gnome bacground change)
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14:47<sney`>Seppoz: try using aptitude instead, it may offer a better solution
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14:59<gus>Problem change background with csh script:csh script dosen't work on crontab (i mean the programs run but in the end I can't se the gnome bacground change)
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15:12<Seppoz>sney`: umm also aptitiude didnt resolve the conflict, just installed other packages
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15:13<Seppoz>aww that sucks
15:13<Seppoz>its not like nobody uses arm nowadays
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15:15<akess>Never heard of it.
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15:15*akess runs
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15:16<doubledutch>Palm WebOS runs on ARM on the Palm Pre - maybe you're talking about a different kind of "arm" (in which case I use my arms all the time). I love my Palm Pre and I can't wait for HP's new Palm Pre 3 and tablet but some say that "it's a toy OS running on a toy processor".
15:17<akess>Dude, all iPhones are ARM
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15:18<doubledutch>akess; did not know that. Interesting. HP's WebOS tablet will have a "1.2GHz ARM-based Qualcomm dual-core processor"
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15:19<sney`>2 cores and 1200 MHz? it's like it's finally reached 2002
15:19<akess>In the palm of your hand. We have reached like Star Trek the next generation, here.
15:20<akess>I mean, my iPhone is more powerful than the computer I'm using right now.
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15:46<heinvd>shoot me...! im a noob...
15:46<heinvd>where do I find the php.ini file....
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15:46<heinvd>(even better....) how do I search for files in linux?
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15:47<cahoot>you want to learn to use find
15:47<devil>and until you learn that, you might use locate :)
15:47<ompaul>heinvd: you need to look there or was it here... you will find what you need
15:48<heinvd>sweet... thanks guys..!
15:49<devil>and we will shoot you if you claim to be a noob in a year from now ;)
15:50<heinvd>hey... im proud of myself.... 2 weeks back I thought lenny was something you ate....
15:50<devil>raider - twix - lenny?
15:50<heinvd>I am happy to report that I setup debian lenny with postfix saslauthd dovecot mysql oh... and apache...
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15:51<devil>heinvd: setting it up is one thing, securingv it another.
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15:52<heinvd>i still have trouble signing into my mail server with outlook
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15:53<heinvd>oh yes... security... I need to get my server ready for PCI Compliance... heard that's a real juicy one... LOL
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16:13<doubledutch>A quick question: Could I use Debian Live, booted/running off USB, to mount and install another OS.iso to the HDD or would I be required to create a bootable USB for the installation?
16:14*SynrG perks
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16:15<SynrG>doubledutch: why "another OS"?
16:15<SynrG>doubledutch: why not debian?
16:15<doubledutch>OS.iso in this case is Debian, of course!
16:15<SynrG>doubledutch: why another ISO?
16:16<doubledutch>I am wondering, in this situation, if I could install it to the HDD From a live-usb, without having to create a bootable USB (which I am AWARE of is as easy as dragging/dropping the files).
16:16<SynrG>maybe you want to start by reading and tell me why you would need anything else other than the live image to do the install
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16:16<SynrG>or why you think you do. and then i can help you from there.
16:17<doubledutch>SynrG; Roger that, thanks!
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16:18<SynrG>doubledutch: it's a matter of downloading the image, dding it to a USB key, booting the image, and using the included installer ... that's it. no extra image involved.
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16:24<heinvd>Regarding the find statement....
16:25<heinvd>whereis php.ini
16:25<heinvd>that worked great...
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16:29<heinvd>ok.... what a willy i am.... where is sucks...
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16:39<heinvd>night everybody!
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17:46<Martian67>does grub legacy have a limit on the filename length of kernels?
17:46<Martian67>because my kernel wouldnt boot, then i renamed it
17:46<Martian67>to something shorter, and it works fine
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18:05<Hansenn>hi people....
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18:07<AgentC>hm, i installed libpcap-dev but pcap.h not found, what went wrong?
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18:08<Hansenn>what`s the reason to this chat?
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18:08<Hansenn>many people, no one talks
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18:09<s_i_m>Hansenn, this chat is for Debian-related questions or discussions
18:09<babilen>Hansenn: Is there anything we can help you with? Its just not the busiest of times.
18:09<babilen>,file pcap.h
18:09<judd>pcap.h in squeeze/i386: libpcap0.8-dev: usr/include/pcap.h, usr/include/pcap/pcap.h; wireshark-dev: usr/include/wireshark/wiretap/libpcap.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/include/linux/mfd/ezx-pcap.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen/include/linux/mfd/ezx-pcap.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver: usr/src/linux-
18:09<judd>headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver/include/linux/mfd/ezx-pcap.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-openvz: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-openvz/include/linux/mfd/ezx-pcap.h
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18:10<babilen>AgentC: Looks as if you want libpcap0.8-dev
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18:10<Hansenn>oh.......sorry...I have a Linux distro now but I`m new in this type of SO
18:11<Hansenn>in relly, im lost here....... kkk
18:12<amphi>Hansenn: you are running debian?
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18:13<Hansenn>I don`t know
18:13<Hansenn>i`m running backtrack 4f
18:13<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
18:13<Hansenn>because of it im lost here. . .
18:13<Hansenn>it`s no so simple
18:13<amphi>why not?
18:14<amphi>/join #backtrack-linux
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18:14<babilen>Hansenn: You want a different channel. Run "/connct" and once you are connected "/join #backtrack-linux" -- Backtrack is not supported in here, you'll have to install Debian to get support here. Have a good day!
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18:16<Hansenn>oh thanks .....babilen..your education is wonderful . . . . thanks to put me out of here. . .
18:16<retrospectacus>Hansenn: why and how could we possibly help you?... we do not use your OS
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18:17<amphi>retrospectacus: perhaps the clinet brings them here by default
18:17<Hansenn>I know now. . .sorry ....i`m getting out ...
18:18<babilen>amphi: That is most likely the case and the reason for the influx of <based on debian> users. (they should really patch their IRC clients)
18:18<amphi>babilen: verily
18:18<amphi>Hansenn: no worries
18:18<amphi>no great harm has been done ;)
18:18<babilen>Hansenn: No harm done. Have a good time!
18:18<Hansenn> i leave this?
18:18<babilen>Hansenn: "/part"
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18:19<amphi>that worked
18:19<akess>That hansel is so hot right now.
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18:26<s_i_m>btw, has anyone experienced problems with hibernation on the default squeeze kernel (2.6.32-30, I think)
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18:33<mal>I have linux mint 10 oem. + ubuntu 9.0 4. Yesterday I installed ubuntu 8.04 and alas included grub install with it and now grub doesn't display debian mint 10. What can I do?
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18:34<dondelelcaro>mal: we don't have anything to do with mint or ubuntu.
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18:35<mal>ok so how do I get to mint help???
18:35<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>.
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18:36<mal>ok thanks
18:36<babilen>dpkg: mint ~= s/based on Debian/based on debian
18:36<dpkg>i don't know, babilen
18:36<babilen>dpkg: mint =~ s/based on Debian/based on debian
18:36<dpkg>babilen: I don't know, could you explain it?
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18:47<mi1b>goo d evening everyone
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18:50<ulukay>do you follow the coverage on those nuclear plants?
18:51<ulukay>they announced that 3 more reactors have damages cooling systems and are overheating!
18:51<mi1b>sorry, just joined this channel.. is this question to me? (reactors)
18:52<ulukay>yeah :I
18:52<mi1b>i've watched bbc news around 2pm Uk time, but didn't look after.
18:53<mi1b>do they have radioactive leaks ? or nit so serious yet?
18:53<ulukay>in fukushima 1 they got 2 reactors where the pressure is out of control
18:53<babilen>ulukay, mi1b: Take it to #moocows or #debian-offtopic
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18:54<variable_>so is there radioactive leaks?
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18:54<ulukay>since they're venting radioactive steam ... yes!
18:55<babilen>Please, I can understand the urge to discuss this and I welcome you to continue it. But not in this channel. There are plenty of others and I just recommended two.
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18:56<mi1b>sorry bro. OK, so lets start the topic one... quick question, In debian 6 on every browser i have the same problem with youtube. It goes red after refreshing the page or clicking next link. Clearing cookies, cache, switching off hardware accell did not help. anu ideas?
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18:56<variable_>babilen, if you dont like go to sleep
18:57<retrospectacus>variable_: wrong. if he don't like, you get kicked
18:57<babilen>variable_: Seriously?
18:57<mi1b>didn't have that problem before (debian 5)
18:57<variable_>so kick if you want
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19:00*streuner_ kicks variable, better? :-)
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19:01<babilen>mi1b: Hmm, you are definitely not the first with this problem. *I* am, however, not aware of a solution to this problem and don't experience it with 4.0b12 from experimental. As I am most likely to use the same flashlugin version (update with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install") it might be the combination of iceweasel and flash in squeeze. Check the BTS or google for debian youtube red
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19:07<mi1b>checked already.... the solutions were simple, clear cache, install flashplugin-nonfree, disable hardware accel. none worked. But thats ok, i'll sort it somehow later tonight. I was going to ask one more thing, as i downloaded deb 6 DVD image, there was no option to download it with KDE. Tried then CD image, downloaded KDE which is basically not (my opinion) perfect or even not finished..? Any ideas is debian going to release
19:07<mi1b>kde DVD image? I checked on their web site but couldn't find the answer.
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19:08<retrospectacus>!install kde
19:08<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
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19:10<babilen>mi1b: There are KDE CD1 images and it is on the DVDs as well. But you can easily install it on your running system by following the steps outlined by dpkg above.
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19:14<nevyn>is there a reason that the debian kernels don't build the ALOOP alsa module?
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19:14<nevyn># CONFIG_SND_ALOOP is not set
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19:16<nevyn>is this something that I can file a wishlist bug on? or is it off for a good reason?
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19:31<welbster>I'm back
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19:39<Rj>whats up bitches
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19:40<Rj>merry xmas
19:40<retrospectacus>Rj, this is #debian. I think you want #moocows
19:41<Rj>im all about debian
19:42<Rj>sudo apt-get install xchat
19:42<Rj>now im mad
19:42<Rj>and i dont blame the rum n coke
19:43<Rj>oh well
19:43<Rj>happy easter
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19:45<Rj>installing debian again
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19:46<Rj>i think the pass i used i forgot after 4th drink
19:46<Rj>my bad
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19:47<variable_>just 4 drinks? =]
19:47<Rj>half n half yeah
19:47<Rj>tall milk glasses
19:47<Rj>one pint per glass
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19:49<Rj>i like to test out diffirent distros when im drunk
19:49<Rj>tonights distro is debian
19:49<Silvino>have fun men
19:50<Rj>you talk like mt sarge in the navy
19:50<Silvino>i try, i never try nothing else fater
19:50<Silvino>*sorry bad english
19:50<Rj>you should try fatter, they never say NO
19:51<Silvino>yes, but i dont feel the need to know other thing else, than
19:51<Rj>a fat girl is like a sex toy
19:52<Rj>bag over there face is good for fun
19:52<Rj>more you drink better they look
19:52<Rj>i suggest drink lots
19:52<nevyn>!ops Rj is being offensive.
19:52<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: Rj is being offensive.
19:52<nevyn>and off topic.
19:53<Rj>!ops nevyn
19:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: rj complains about: nevyn
19:53<Rj>and off topic.
19:53<retrospectacus>this should be interesting
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19:53-!-Rj was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better]
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19:55<nevyn>retrospectacus: did that run how you expected ;)
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19:57<retrospectacus>exactly :)
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20:14<ChibaPet>Is there a Wheezy-specific channel? I'm wondering if there's a notion of when KDE 4.6 will be integrated. Something I read said "early March" and I'm curious.
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20:15*LotR notices the conpicuous absence of a year ;)
20:15<alecjw>hi, how can i stop gnome-power-manager from trying to shut down my computer when it thinks that my battery's critical?
20:16<ChibaPet>If it's not this one, then it's likely not 4.6 either. :P
20:16<ChibaPet>Alec, head to "Power Management Preferences" and look at your settings for when you're on battery.
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20:16<alecjw>ChibaPet: there's no option to do nothing. only hibernate, shut down or suspend
20:17<ChibaPet>You might have to do something with acpid then...
20:17<ChibaPet>In general I'd let the system do its thing with a critically low battery.
20:18<ChibaPet>But I suspect you can substitute in new behaviour for that.
20:18<alecjw>problem is, 100% counts as critical on my system
20:18<ChibaPet>man acpid
20:18<ChibaPet>Ooh, that's something broken then.
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20:20<ChibaPet>Rather than changing acpid behaviour, I'd want to find out why your battery's being misinterpreted I guess. Something is strange there.
20:20<ChibaPet>need to reload things - cheers all
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20:21<alecjw>well, it doesn't instantly shut down when i take the power adaptor out. it goes critical for a bit then back to normal. but then it thinks it's critical again when it gets to 15% or so
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20:22<alecjw>and if i plug in the power adaptor for a bit when it's at 25% or below, it'll shut down when i plug it back in again
20:23<alecjw>i think it's just because i run it off the mains so much that it can't accurately predict the discharge profile
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20:41<ARtitty>hai I am haveing trouble getting debian to install
20:41<ARtitty>both the text based installer and the gtk installer hang up on ANY hardware detection
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20:42<ARtitty>tried fiddling with my bios and trying to install with the testing builds no luck it either hangs on detecting network hardware or hangs on detecting hdd
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20:43<ARtitty>no useable errors or output just sits there with no progress bar or any useable output ...
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20:43<ARtitty>is there a verbose switch I can enable to see what the fk is going on
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20:43<streuner_>Does a live-CD working?
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20:43<ARtitty>uh didn't try that
20:44<ARtitty>I can boot ubuntu or any other debain distro
20:44<ARtitty>installer refuses to fuction properly
20:44<streuner_>so what kind of debian-installer do you use?
20:44<ARtitty>hangs on hdd or network detection
20:44<streuner_>some beta stuff?
20:44<ARtitty>uh dvd install
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20:44<ARtitty>both do it
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20:45<ARtitty>6x stable do it and so does squeeze
20:45<ARtitty>ran checksums on the imgs everything is good there
20:45<ARtitty>dvd drive is working normal
20:45<ARtitty>unpluged on of the sata drives
20:46<ARtitty>tried NATIVE IDE mode
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20:46<ARtitty>all fail
20:46<DrSampler>there is some key-combination i believe, to see the error output
20:46<DrSampler>like, alt-f5 or control-f4
20:46<DrSampler>i dont remeber
20:46<ARtitty>I didn't find anything in the wiki
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20:46<ARtitty>yea but its hardlocking
20:46<DrSampler>but, it is exists
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20:46<ARtitty>I need todo a hardreset
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20:46<ARtitty>can even ctrl alt del or cttl bkspc
20:47<DrSampler>probably non-standart bios, or hdd controller is unusual
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20:47<ARtitty>bios is AMI
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20:47<ARtitty>board is a 780g/sb710
20:47<DrSampler>is it laptop/notebook machine
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20:48*ARtitty system is AMD Altlon II @ 3.48Ghz@1.30V 2Gb DDR800 ATI 5750@840/1337@1.044v Windows 7
20:48<ARtitty>yea I tried reverting to non-oc
20:48<ARtitty>so its not that
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20:49<DrSampler>the only thing i can suggest here is to disable hdd at all (at bios, or phisically remove the drives)
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20:49<ARtitty>then I can't install the os
20:49<DrSampler>and install debian into usb flash drive
20:49<DrSampler>yes youc an
20:49<ARtitty>don't have a flash drive
20:49<ARtitty>well I do but its hosting optware on on my router
20:50<ARtitty>and I _want_ to install it to the hdd
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20:50<DrSampler>that's just for testing
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20:51<ARtitty>can I restart the installer from the dvds shell option
20:51<ARtitty>so I can see the term
20:51<ARtitty>and see what its doing
20:51<ARtitty>o this is AMD64 btw
20:52<ARtitty>or is there a way I can skip _all_ hardware detection
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20:53<ARtitty>and load the drivers and mount the drives by hand
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20:53<ARtitty>shit like this is why I hate linux
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20:55<dondelelcaro>ARtitty: what are you trying to do?
20:56<dondelelcaro>ARtitty: but anyway, you can use the expert mode to load specific modules and/or perform specific tasks...
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20:58<dondelelcaro>ARtitty: however, from briefly looking at the backlog, you probably need to use one of the various acpi=off or similar options.
21:00<ARtitty>I didn't see anything in the expermode for disabling acpi
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21:00<dondelelcaro>ARtitty: it's a kernel option
21:00<dondelelcaro>ARtitty: see the install guide and the help menus
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21:02<dondelelcaro>alternatively, it could be a bug with that particular hardware and kernel; if you can install using any verison of Debian, you can upgrade to squeeze, and probably go to a more recent kernel
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21:03<ARtitty>I was just doing this to brush up on my nix fu
21:03<ARtitty>so far I am not impressed
21:05<ARtitty>lets try this again
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21:08<aranyerme>Hi! Does anyone know how to install "restricted extras" in 6.0?
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21:09<dondelelcaro>aranyerme: uh... we don't have such a thing in Debian
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21:09<aranyerme>sure, but there must be en equivalent
21:10<dondelelcaro>aranyerme: what do you want to install?
21:10<aranyerme>everything seems to link to some multimedia repo which is discontinued
21:10<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
21:10<dondelelcaro>see above if that's what you were refering to.
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21:11<aranyerme>yeah, that's the one
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21:12<aranyerme>i checked the non-free box in the source thingy
21:12<dondelelcaro>aranyerme: that just allows you to install packages from debian's non-free repository, not third party ones
21:12<dondelelcaro>aranyerme: see if you want to use packages which are in the dmm repository.
21:12<aranyerme>ah, ok. I see
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21:13<aranyerme>cool, I'll have a look there. Thanks!
21:14<Corey-needhelp>hey having a problem with my flash drive, i accidently bumped into it while it was formatting and now it seems like its corrupted, Gparted gives me
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21:15<Corey-needhelp>anyone? :<
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21:36<aranyerme>does anyone know of a good place to read about inbstalling non-free codecses in 6.0. I've enabled the repo, i just don't know what to install. I want playback for dvd mp3 and the other usual stuff
21:37<sney>I typically just install vlc and call it a day
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21:37<aranyerme>okay, does it do the lot
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21:37<AiTtity>while ill be the son of linus
21:37<sney>aranyerme: I have yet to encounter something that vlc can't play back
21:37<AiTtity>linux suffering from a bug older then time
21:38<sney>AiTtity: are you going to share with the rest of the class
21:38<AiTtity>the issue was in case anyone cares: the hardware detection routine is apprently NOT smart enough to know when the floppy controler is ENABLEED
21:38<AiTtity>but there is no drive connected
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21:38<sney>oh, so it's doing a floppy seek on no drive?
21:38<AiTtity>so it sat there trying to probe a device that wasnt there
21:39<AiTtity>wow even windows is smart enough to give up after 15 seconds
21:39*AiTtity dances
21:39<aranyerme>cool. Are there any vaiants, or is i just a simple package
21:39<sney>linux bug tracking depends on people submitting reports. who even has a floppy drive anymore? I didn't replace mine when the last one broke
21:40<AiTtity>floppys are awesome
21:40<AiTtity>they will never die
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21:40<variable_>old school
21:40<sney>ok, then submit a bug report for your issue. :P
21:40*AiTtity huggles his collection of 5 1/2 MSdos install disks
21:40<Mixxit>i got 18% mem usage 0.7% cpu in use but my vps is majorly slow tonight! any ideas? debian5
21:41<AiTtity>now I can proced to todo the install
21:41<AiTtity>bbl .. 45 min
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21:44<nevyn>sigh floppies.
21:45<nevyn>I'm thinking about buying somehting like a HxC floppy emulator to replace the noisy and annoying FDD in the K5000s
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22:04<aranyerme>I can play dvds and stuff now, that makes me so happy :)
22:05<aranyerme>Is it possible to get it to change volume with funktion keys on a dell laptop
22:06<aranyerme>the volume keys change the master volume, but for some reason that has no effect on headphones
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22:07<sney>aranyerme: yeah, if it's doing one thing it's possible, but you'll need to figure out the configuration yourself as it's different on different laptops
22:07<retrospectacus>aranyerme: my dell laptop has 2 headphone jax - one is full volume all the time (line out) and one is adjusted
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22:08<aranyerme>okay, so what sort of config options are there
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22:10<aranyerme>there doesnt seem to be an any ajustment in the alsamixer that has an effect on built in speakers and headphones at the same time
22:11<Oryon>Olá, boa noite! Alguém que fala idioma português poderia ajudar-me?
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22:12<retrospectacus>!pt Oryon
22:12<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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22:14<retrospectacus>aranyerme, I think that's where it would be. If not, I don't know.
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22:15<aranyerme>ok. How do i choose which volume the jfn volume keys are associated with then?
22:16<aranyerme>#funktion keys
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22:17<retrospectacus>aranyerme: Keyboard shortcuts prefernce dialog in System - Preferences
22:17<retrospectacus>but I have no idea how to specify "which volume"
22:18<aranyerme>ok, thanbks for the help! I'll look into it
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23:52<[L]i[N]u[X]> /budus macro setup
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23:56<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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