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---Logopened Sun Mar 13 00:00:19 2011
00:00<tux0>agent1 is it flash?
00:00<bigalaska>Damnit. I don't understand this, at all - i HAVE the svq-3 decoder, it came with ffmpeg.
00:02<tux0>bigalaska mplayer reports it fails to load 'QuickTime.qts'
00:02<tux0> /usr/lib/codecs/QuickTime.qts
00:02<tux0>bigalaska it's the s in qt most likely :)
00:03<bigalaska>how would i fix that?
00:03<tux0>agent1 playback the flash video and check /tmp/ for a file names Flash*
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00:03<tux0>find the QuickTime.qts codec? consult the mailing lists?
00:04<bigalaska>but it loads the file, plays the sound
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00:04<tux0>sound and video are seperate
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00:04<tux0>require seperate codecs
00:05<bigalaska>i have the quicktime codecs installed
00:06<tux0>I do not know too much about this but I think you have a 'container format' such as .qts .qt .avi etc... and that container format encapsulates two seperate streams/files of data one being video the other audio and possibly subtitles etc.
00:06<tux0>bigalaska does mplayer report missing QuickTime.qts codec?
00:07<tux0>agent1 when you play the video do you see /tmp/Flash* file?
00:07<tux0>agent1 what browser are you using?
00:08<bigalaska>it goes into a horrendous loop with the same fail message: FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver.
00:08<tux0>bigalaska bad alloc?
00:08<bigalaska>but EVERYTHING else plays fine - just watched a 1.2gb movie
00:09<bigalaska>on the harddrive, or memory?
00:09<tux0>do you see mplayer messages "insufficient resources for operation" ?
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00:09<bigalaska>hardware is fine
00:10<bigalaska>it sees that it's a .mov
00:10<bigalaska>it opens ffsvq3
00:10<bigalaska>but then it fails to open an nvidia driver. wtf.
00:10<tux0>a video window pops up but no image?
00:10<tux0>same here
00:10<bigalaska>im on an ati mobility rage
00:10<tux0>bigalaska you could try mplayer -vo xv
00:11<tux0>or X11
00:11<tux0>mplayer -vo help
00:12<bigalaska>it looks like there are deeper problems with mplayer than not having the right codec
00:12<tux0>agent1 so when you playback this flash video in iceweasel do you see a "Flash.*" file in /tmp ?
00:12<bigalaska>why in the hell is it trying to start an nvidia driver
00:12<agent1>i look there nothing
00:12<tux0>agent1 do you see any file show up ?
00:13<bigalaska>agent1, get firefox, search for "flash downloader" extentions
00:13<tux0>agent1 you must not close out the browser window that the flash video plays in else it will delete a Flash.* file
00:13<tux0>if there is one even created
00:14<tux0>bigalaska you can use mplayer -vo help
00:14<tux0>is the nvidia driver referring to vdpau or something?
00:15<bigalaska>something like that yes
00:15<bigalaska>-vo x11 works
00:15<bigalaska>I love you.
00:16<tux0>oh you have video now?
00:16<bigalaska>oh yeah
00:16<tux0>that's great
00:16<bigalaska>with -vo x11 argument
00:16<dEhiN>what package(s) do I need to install to allow apm? I'm running debian in a vbox vm, and when I close the vm and tell it to send the shutdown signal, debian doesn't do anything...i have to log in and use the shutdown command
00:17<tux0>bigalaska yep that works here too now
00:17<bigalaska>Thanks man.
00:17<bigalaska>Now how do I tell VLC to use that argument?
00:18<tux0> mplayer -vo x11 -lavdopts lowres=1 doesn't work however
00:18<tux0>not sure
00:18<tux0>big mplayer fan :)
00:18<tux0>man 1 vlc
00:18<tux0>have fun reading or use the gui
00:18*tux0 shrugs
00:19<bigalaska>yeah reading through everything now
00:19<tux0>if you are using an ati card there might be a better driver than x11
00:19<tux0>one that is accelerated not sure if x11 is
00:20<tux0>xv works mainly for if not exclusively with nvidia cards
00:20<dEhiN>tux0: how would I install an ati driver if I found one on their website?
00:21<tux0>dEhiN not sure never used the ati driver have only used nvidia and some others I would check the README or INSTALL files for help and most likely there are debian packages for the ati drivers
00:21<dEhiN>any deb packages I d/l and install would be added to my local cache?
00:22<bigalaska>there are great open source ati drivers
00:22<tux0>dEhiN you have to use the linux specific drivers and they do have some :)
00:22<dEhiN>ok I'll check it out
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00:23<tux0>dEhiN also about the apm question you can try not sure and also you could try installing the linux-doc packages and reading about acpi/apm in the respective /usr/share/doc/linux-doc.*/Documentation/ directory
00:25<tux0>dEhiN it's either compiled in the kernel or a loadable module that may rely on a userspace daemon/utility
00:25<bigalaska>It's using the Mach64 driver for some reason, lolol
00:25*tux0 again shrugs
00:25<bigalaska>er, debian is
00:25<tux0>it's something like that
00:25<tux0>agent1 figure it out yet?
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00:26<tux0>bigalaska Xorg or mplayer / vlc?
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00:28<massmc>hello everyone. Is there an app that I can manually add user and assign groups to?
00:28<tux0>massmc are you using gnome/kde?
00:28<tux0> useradd/adduser on the command line?
00:28<massmc>yes I know with cmline.. But wanted something visuual
00:29<agent1>thanks guys i got it running
00:29<tux0>you chould use an editor on the proper files too
00:29<tux0>agent1 how?
00:29<dEhiN>what is the package bison?
00:30<tux0>massmc check out the package called: usermode
00:31<tux0>dEhiN ?
00:31<tux0>what packages install bison or what is bison?
00:32<tux0>massmc gnome and kde do have administration tools for managing user/groups too
00:32<dEhiN>I'm installing the linux kernel headers (for vbox guest additions), and I decided to add the suggested packages, and then bison became a suggested package (after I added the first set of selected packages along with the headers)
00:33<tux0>usermode doesn't seem like what you want
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00:34<massmc>so thats no good tux0 ?
00:34<massmc>i was about to grab it
00:34<tux0>massmc doesn't seem like it I just read the `apt-cache show usermode' output
00:35<tux0>dEhiN apt-cache show bison
00:35<massmc>actually squeeze repo doesn't even have it in there
00:35<tux0>sid machine here
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00:36<dEhiN>thanks tux0
00:36<tux0>massmc qui like tk/qt/gtk/wx etc.. or is browser/web-based ok?
00:38<massmc>gtk pref
00:39<massmc>I remember using something like that a while ago.. Just not sure if it was part of gnome.. I have been on openbox for too long to remember
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00:55<tux0>massmc kde has `kuser' which is qt of course search for gtk based one most likely its in some large gnome administration package?
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00:57<tux0>massmc check out the packages called `gnome-system-tools'
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00:58<tux0>there has to be something non-kde/gnome dependant
00:59<tux0>will be back in a few minutes hopefully
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01:19<tux0>be back in a few minutes
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01:42<sgonyea>Ok, I give up. Can someone please tell me how to turn a debian package's git repo into an actual debian package, thus allowing me to install it and move on with my life. Seriously, this is painful.
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01:44<tux0>sgonyea are you a gnu/linux/unix newbie?
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01:44<sgonyea>tux0: Not really.
01:44<tux0>sgonyea have you tried ?
01:45<sgonyea>tux0: You better be a bot.
01:45<bigalaska>^^^ that thing saved so much time
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01:45<bigalaska>*saved me
01:45<bigalaska>your mom is a bot
01:45<skgma>no u
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01:46<bigalaska>PRIVET RUSKIY DROOG
01:46<bigalaska>KAK DELA
01:47<tux0>found out today my old sound blaster card isn't dead and not only that it's notched for a pci-x slot (which was a great surpise) :)
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01:47<bigalaska>please stop flying bears over anchorage, thanks
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01:47<skgma>sound blaster? is this an IRC channel, or a time machine?
01:48<bigalaska>your mom is a time machine
01:48<tux0>skgma what do you use now?
01:48<tux0>onboard ?
01:48<bigalaska>I've always used onboard sound - does it really make that much of a difference? If one is gaming often, for example.
01:48<skgma>whatever comes with a macbook pro, and allows me to never have to think about such things.
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01:49<tux0>bigalaska I would say yes
01:50<tux0>soundcard with hardware support for multiple channels and hardware synthesizer is nice
01:50<skgma>sound hasn't really mattered for a long time; the most basic cards sounds just fine
01:50<tux0>and optical out
01:51<bigalaska>my gamebox has some realtek onboard (evga x58 sli mobo) - music sounds pretty much the same as the allegro-1 on this laptop
01:51<tux0>aside from that I agree it's kind of funny how many different sound cards are available
01:51<skgma>My 1/8 jack has both copper outputs and optical
01:52<tux0>skgma all in one?
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01:52<tux0>that's nice
01:53<skgma>tiny 1/8 jack, two forms of output. same thing in an airport express.
01:53<tux0>optical toslink redlight whatever and analog in same jack?
01:53<bigalaska>i probably shouldn't be running TinyIRC as root, huh
01:53<sney>no, you shouldn't.
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01:53<tux0>bigalaska nothing wrong with that
01:53<skgma>tux0: That's right
01:54<sney>!irc as root
01:54<dpkg>(from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!"
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01:54<tux0>nothing wrong unless you don't mind possibly reinstalling :)
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01:54<SARAHPALI>guess iwasnt root
01:54<tux0>I say run root and spoof your ident!
01:55<SARAHPALI>i dont care who has my ip
01:55<SARAHPALI>unless you're a chinese spammer
01:55<SARAHPALI>only port 80 is open on this firewall so go at it
01:55<skgma>Can someone please tell me how to turn a debian package's git repo into an actual debian package, thus allowing me to install it and move on with my life. Seriously, this is painful.
01:55<SARAHPALI>lol im closing it, thanks
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01:56<skgma>Seriously, this is tedious
01:56<SARAHPALI>you know what's painful?
01:56<SARAHPALI>this 40
01:56<SARAHPALI>ye olde english
01:56<tux0>why do you need the git repo?
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01:57<tux0>do you just want to customize the build configuration options or something?
01:57<tux0>you know about apt-get source etc.?
01:57<sney>a friend of mine recently accidentally crashed his own ssh gateway, and then to get back in to his network he hacked in through the FTP server, a loose cgi-bin directory on web server, used expect to script ssh session to cisco pix and forwarded a port across the dmz with a tunnel.
01:57<tux0>skgma know about the package `git-buildpackage'
01:57<sney>sometimes you don't realize how insecure your own house is until you've locked yourself out and climbed back in through the bathroom window
01:58<skgma>tux0: Yes, I'm using it. Compalins about lack of jars. I finally copies them over from the source, but it has not built a .deb.
01:58<skgma>I'd really like to get a .deb file out of all this trouble
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01:59<tux0>skgma is there a reason you are using the git repository instead of e.g. apt-get source?
03:01<skgma>tux0: The solr package in apt is ~2 years old.
03:01<SARAHPALI>skgma i really dont know what any of that cisco pix port tunnelling whatever meant
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03:01<skgma>oh, ok
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03:02<skgma>tux0: I have Solr installed and running from the official package, which was my first mistake. I should have installed it myself. Instead, the Solr package is broken up into 6~ different places.
03:02<skgma>It's a real cluster fuck to manage
03:02<tux0>skgma sounds like your working up to status of maintainer for solr package :)
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03:02<tux0>newly minted debian developer!
03:03<tux0>off to debconf skgma!
03:03<skgma>tux0: I'm really disappointed that Ubuntu/Debian are the only mainstream distros to be found.
03:03<skgma>The apt packages are a bag full of suck
03:03<sney>solr is kind of a weird beast
03:04<skgma>not really
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03:04<skgma>it runs behind jetty/tomcat, requires jars and a place to put its indexes, and not much more than that
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03:05<tux0>skgma maybe it's in freebsd ports
03:06<skgma>if only I could have a package as well maintained. I'd love to run FreeBSD on amazon web services.
03:08<drunkAKnative>Hey, I know I could probably find this info on google, but how would one go about making a current debian installation, into a live usb?
03:09<drunkAKnative>just copy the entire filesystem onto the disk, and configure grub?
03:09<tux0>maybe the site can help you :)
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03:10*skgma throws salt at the troll
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03:10<drunkAKnative>tchsu: network issues?
03:11<Hydroxide>drunkAKnative: That's what the live-build package in Debian is for. It has some documentation included, but you can also read about it at and the pages linked from there
03:11<Hydroxide>drunkAKnative: it's what is used to build the pre-made debian live images, but it can also be used to adapt your installed system or otherwise make custom images, including USB
03:12<drunkAKnative>yeah was checking it out now, thanks
03:12<Hydroxide>the tools have lots of options, but they work well.
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03:21<drunkAKnative>stupid question: is x11/xorg really needed for openbox/blackbox/fluxbox?
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03:21<drunkAKnative>wait nevermind
03:21<Hydroxide>drunkAKnative: yes
03:21<drunkAKnative>are there lighter alternatives?
03:21<drunkAKnative>is what i meant to ask
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03:22<Hydroxide>drunkAKnative: those are already pretty lightweight. there are a few even lighter alternatives to openbox/blackbox/fluxbox, but not by much. you're pretty much stuck with x11/xorg though. if you want you can run the display on a different machine from the window manager and all the apps, though
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03:23<Hydroxide>drunkAKnative: so that you just need the X server on the local machine and the rest (including client libraries and apps) are somewhere else with sufficient bandwidth between them
03:23<Hydroxide>icewm is another lightweight option, as is windowmaker, as is enlightenment
03:23<Hydroxide>fvwm and twm are also lightweight but harder to learn
03:24<drunkAKnative>im on lxde right now, it's nice
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03:24<drunkAKnative>What about CLI?
03:24<drunkAKnative>I know it's old school but sometimes I don't need the graphical displays
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03:25<drunkAKnative>Basically, I'm out to maybe make a deb-based super lightweight yet functional distro, just to learn more about *nix
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03:26<drunkAKnative>Something like Puppy Linux but less "child-ish"
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03:28<tux0>command line
03:29<tux0>you can watch video look and pictures and everything else :)
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03:30<tux0>also for window managers there is ratpoison
03:32<tux0>there is a console/curses based window manager, forget the name though
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03:33<tux0>there is a tiny distribution what includes a console/framebuffer based window manager not relying on X forget the name though
03:33<tux0>it's really small
03:33<tux0>like 10MB or something I don't know
03:34<tux0>just very small
03:34<tux0>not sure, don't think so though
03:35<tux0>if it uses X then no
03:35<tux0>this distribution does not use X
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03:41<zorro>os[Linux 2.6.35-24-generic i686] distro[moonOS "neak" 4] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.79GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 79.2% free] disk[Total: 142.9GB, 91.2% free] video[Intel Corporation Gigabit Ethernet Controller] sound[ICH4 - Intel ICH5]
03:41<tux0> might be it, not sure though
03:41<tux0>zorro irssi?
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03:46<tux0>nope tiny core uses x
03:46<tux0>however at 10MB it's near this size but does not use x
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04:34<drunkAKnative>Anyone know of any 'hack this box' style online challenges? I am by no means a security expert but would like to learn. Been messing around with a ubuntu 10.04 box but i guess I either don't know what im doing or it's pretty secure, other than the admin area of a CMS i wrote being succeptible(SIC) packet sniffing
04:34<drunkAKnative>*would like to learn more
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04:37<tux0>drunkAKnative there are challenges
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04:38<tux0>can't tell you any, however I know there are or have been some
04:39<drunkAKnative>i have an extra box here. an athlon 1400 with 256mb of ram...
04:39<tux0>check out things related to maybe "sandboxes/sandboxing" and honeypots etc.
04:40<drunkAKnative>thinking of installing some reeeeaaaallllyyyy old distro version on it and practicing
04:40<drunkAKnative>I remember there being a VMWare image of a ubuntu install vulnerable to ssh rsa key gathering attacks or whatever it was called. that was fun
04:40<cthuluh>damn vulnerable linux?
04:41<drunkAKnative>nice, thanks
04:41<drunkAKnative>downloading now
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04:41<tux0>drunkAKnative pay attention to security conferences maybe you can find some challenges
04:43<tux0>google it
04:45<drunkAKnative>i remember when i was like 11 years old, i got mad at my sister for breaking my go kart. So i installed a trojan on her laptop and goatse'd every page of her Business Presentations class project
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04:56<drunkAKnative>alright, time for a reinstall. thanks tux0 for your advice
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05:03<Jou>Hiho. Since the update to squeeze (a few weeks ago) I cannot start midnight commander. "mc: symbol lookup error: mc: undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n" - the solution was to ldd on mc.exe and remove/rename all libs that go to /usr/local/lib instead ob /usr/lib - now how does this make it's way into the debian knowledgebase?
05:03<Jou>Oups.. s/mc\.exe/mc/
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05:04*simonrvn didn't have any such problems...
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05:04<tux0>Jou did your mc update?
05:05<tux0>when you upgraded to squeeze
05:05<Jou>simonrvn: Of course not everyone had this problems, since not many have extra libs in /usr/local/lib ...
05:05<simonrvn>yeh, and that's an issue with your box.
05:05<Jou>tux0: I did apt-get remove/install, that did not fix the problem. I had to rename the old or wrong libs in /usr/loca/lib -
05:06<Jou>(PS: mc IS working now after the lib game)
05:07<tux0>did you use apt-file search to find which package(s) contained the proper libs for mc?
05:07<Jou>They are probably some leftovers of older installs from my Etch time, when I needed tools newer than Etch.
05:07<tux0>maybe you didn't have those installed/updated or something
05:07<tux0>maybe a package was renamed and it didn't updated or something, I'm not sure just ideas
05:08<tux0>Jou there is a package/utility to remove ghost packages or whatever it's called
05:09<Jou>you mean those apt-get cleanup commandos ?
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05:10<Jou>tux0: it is solved, the question is rather: how to get this into docu (which it is now already since #debian chat gets archived..)
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05:11<tux0>Jou no there is a specific package that will find old/unused/ghost/left over/ and I think this is the keyword "orphaned" debian packages and remove them
05:11<Jou>tux0: will try.
05:11<tux0>Jou your issue may be a nonissue
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05:12<nevyn__>tux0: umm deborphan
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05:13<Jou>tun0: a few hits in google, but not many, and no solution. I had the same problem (libs in /usr/local/lib older than in /usr/lib) with a few different programs too during upgrade to squeeze. Very weird stuff as you can imagine.
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05:14<tux0>Jou did you use upgrade or dist-upgrade?
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05:14<Jou>tux0: You are not really asking this?
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05:14<tux0>just trying to help
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05:16<Jou>tux0: Etch -> Lenny -> Squeeze on the linux machine, running since 2007
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05:36<mkad>please on earth help me, how to force iceweasel to write cache to tmpfs and not to home dir ??
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05:39<simonrvn>about:config ?
05:39<cahoot>tried to set browser.cache.disk.parent_directory to /media/ramdisk (or such)?
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05:41<mkad>cahoot, yes! :(
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05:41<mkad>cahoot, still I see no files in that directory and iotop shows firefox heavy using my disk
05:41<mkad>cahoot, :(
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05:42<mkad>cahoot, thats why I ask, I am extreamly tired of this
05:42<n3lab>can anybody help me with wifi on debian 6 stable? i have acer aspire one and i read that debian 6 not provide madwifi :(
05:42<n3lab>sorry for my bad english
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05:43<mkad>n3lab, find out your hardware first
05:43<mkad>n3lab, lspci
05:43<n3lab>wait plz
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05:44<n3lab>Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8132 Fast Ethernet (rev c0)
05:44<n3lab>Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
05:44<mkad>n3lab, Oh Broadcom is Your wireless
05:44<mkad>n3lab, there is firmware for that
05:45<n3lab>where can i get it?
05:45<tux0>cahoot about:cache
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05:46<mkad>n3lab, its in Debian packages, just download it, try apt-cache search broadcom, I belive its firmware-brcm80211 but I am not sure
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05:46<gsimmons>mkad: No, that is not applicable to the BCM4312.
05:46<tux0>cahoot about:config search for "disk"
05:46<gsimmons>dpkg: tell n3lab -about bcm4312
05:46<mkad>n3lab, isn't installer warning You that firmware is missing and asking whether you want to load it from additional disk?
05:47<n3lab>it asked but i not install coz i have no disk
05:47<mkad>gsimmons, then b43-fwcutter
05:47<mkad>gsimmons, as far as I remember, one of my Dell's also have this firmware
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05:48<mkad>n3lab, try firmware-b43-installer
05:49<mkad>n3lab, then just copy over /lib/firmware to usb disk... and let installer fetch them
05:49<tux0>mkad about:cache, about:config then search for disk
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05:49<mkad>tux0, hmm I will try about:cache
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05:50<tux0>about:cache gives you the names
05:51<mkad>tux0, ok I see that cache is not using disk, but still iotop shows that firefox is the most guilty application doing writes insanely frequently
05:51<n3lab>mkad, can i install it without usb disk? i did "aptitude install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer" and it download and extract smth like Extracting b43/ucode5.fw
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05:52<mkad>n3lab, I never did it myself, maybe try google B43 Debian installer
05:52<n3lab>ok. thanks :)
05:53<tux0>mkad did you do about:config and search for disk?
05:53<tux0>also offline
05:53<mkad>tux0, search?/
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05:53<mkad>tux0, yes I check about:config and did exactly the same as in
05:54<tux0>when you run about:config you can search using that white box below the location/url box
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05:54<mkad>tux0, this does not help
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05:55<mkad>tux0, firefox sill does not save anything to my tmpfs and burns my SSD drive
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05:55<mkad>tux0, the amount of data FF stores on disk is insane every click means something is stored, even flash application stores something
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05:56<tux0>well flash has to do with adobe flash not firefox I would think
05:56<mkad>forget flash
05:56<tux0>mkad you disabled both the disk and offline caches?
05:57<mkad>google b43 stores already
05:57<mkad>offline is True
05:57<tux0>you will want to disable that I would think
05:58<mkad>ok let me try
05:58<mkad>iotop started fresh
05:58<mkad>typing b43 on google firefox stores again
05:58<tux0>you most likely can also use tmpfs and mount -bind to take care of flash and anything else that doesn't allow you to manually configure where it saves data to on disk
05:58<mkad>moreover nothing is stored in location I pointed FF to
05:59<mkad>ok now its without flash
05:59<mkad>pure google website
05:59<mkad>typing b43 to do search and it already stores a lot
05:59<mkad>flushing it to disk
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05:59<mkad>nothing is stored where I pointed it to
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06:01<tux0> browser.cache.disk.enable false and browser.cache.offline.enable false
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06:04<tux0>but as I said earlier if you know where firefox is caching or any program for that matter you can use mount -bind and tmpfs most likely
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06:05<ompaul>wrt flash you need to seek and kill .macromedia in your home dir
06:05<ompaul>yac yet another cache :-/
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06:12<tux0>ompaul :)
06:12<tux0>you could always just switch to w3m :)
06:12<ompaul>tux0: yeah, it is full of fun and surprises :)
06:12<ompaul>tux0: I run vms of fvwm for lisp stuff I need less challenges :)
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06:13<ompaul>tux0: speaking of which if SID does not get clisp working in the next few weeks I might just go at it --- gave it a glance yesterday and it failed to build in any shape missing some stuff :)
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06:15<tux0>I will install it
06:15<ompaul>tux0: on sid ;-)
06:15<tux0><- sid :)
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06:15<tux0>/etc/debian_version: Permission denied
06:16<tux0>wasn't expecting that
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06:18<tux0>ompaul :( doesn't work
06:18<tux0>there is always sbcl
06:19<ompaul>tux0: na, I want clisp (had a row with ams about that ;-))) so I have a vm it is ok in stable I'll look at it in a couple of weeks
06:19<ompaul>tux0: I spend a couple of hours last night trying to fix it - need to focus elsewhere
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06:20<tux0>is it a malloc problem?
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06:23<ompaul>tux0: na, I get a build
06:24<ompaul>tux0: sorry my focus is elsewhere :)
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06:31<haotian>So sorry for offtopic but, I need to watch movies with 2 subs simultaneously on linux, any advice ? I was able to do this with media players on windows. But couldn't find any player supports that in linux yet.
06:31<haotian>Like one sub at top of the window and one subtitle at the bottom.
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06:34<zeropiel>any particular channel for .xsession help
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06:39<darius>hi, i installed lenny some time ago and created user 'darius' while installing. sins when all root crontab emails goes to the user 'darius'. how can i change that?
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06:40<tux0>haotian have you looked at mplayer and vlc?
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06:41<thewanderer1>guys, I can run fuseiso (a fuse helper) outside of a chroot, but when I run it inside my chroot, it breaks, with the mount(2) syscall returning EPERM (Operation not permitted). what can be the reason?
06:41<juhov>darius: /etc/aliases probably has a line like root: darius, I think that's where you could change it
06:41<haotian>tux0 :: mplayer yes, vlc no.
06:41<tux0>haotian also xine
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06:42<haotian>they work on gnome desktop ?
06:42<tux0>sure they should
06:43<haotian>good, I'll take a look then, thanks.
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06:55<darius>thanks juhov, thats helped, but now i have other problem... other users crontab messages goes to root mail..
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06:56<darius>there no other users in alias file..
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07:21<winnie_>does anyone know of a command to query available space on the remote machine over sftp?
07:22<cahoot>curious - why not ssh then?
07:22<winnie_>i guess i should.
07:22<winnie_>whats the ssh command then?
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07:23<winnie_>i mean the normal command :)
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07:23<cahoot>ssh <remote>, df -h ?
07:24<winnie_>doesnt work though its an android machine
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07:25<cahoot>ssh doesn't work? or df doesn't work?
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07:25<winnie_>cahoot do you have the time and energy to look at a script i wrote and give me general feedback? i would really appriotiate it
07:25<winnie_>the df command doesnt work
07:25<cahoot>sorry no - leaving shortly
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07:25<winnie_>ah no it does work!
07:26<cahoot>(also no bash guru whatsoever
07:26<dEhiN>winnie_ what's your os?
07:26<winnie_>what do you mean
07:26<winnie_>on my laptop its debian
07:26<winnie_>so debian is my main os
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07:27<SynrG>yet your questions here relate to android. please don't do that :/
07:27<dEhiN>o right, sorry forgot what channel this is :S
07:27<winnie_>alright synrg..
07:27<dEhiN>wait but what's the question though? the command to find out disk usage in debian?
07:27<dEhiN>because that's a debian question
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07:28<drunkAKna>Building a custom kernel - what options MUST i choose to ensure booting? 2.6.32 on a p3 coppermine, intel 440 something
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07:28<winnie_>well the andoid uses the linux kernel apperently so df did work
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07:29<cahoot>drunkAKna: support for kernelconfiguration here is not to be expected
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07:31<drunkAKna>ok, so what's a good channel/server for that/
07:31<drunkAKna>it's my first custom kernel ever
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07:32<cahoot>drunkAKna: I'd guess gentoo has some wiki/howto on the subject, try google
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07:32<drunkAKna>lol i have like ~12 pages open on this already
07:32<drunkAKna>just wanted to ask real people for real ideas.
07:32<cahoot>stick with a real debian kernel
07:33<SynrG>dEhiN: how do i find out disk usage on android is *not* a debian question
07:33<tukadafoonday>Hey guys, for some reason my ctrl and alt keys just stopped working? Any ideas where I can look to fix this?
07:33<SynrG>the answer may be the same as for debian, but android questions -> elsewhere
07:33<drunkAKna>cahoot: No. I don't need SMP or all the rest of the bloat that come with that, since I'm using a single core P3 coppermine.
07:34<cahoot>drunkAKna: enjoy the trial/error process
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07:34<drunkAKna>Either help or don't. Don't tell people "don't bother" it's counter-productive of this channel.
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07:34<Zzyzix>tukadafoonday, have you tried using only right alt instead of ctrl and alt?
07:34<haotian>tux0 :: tried both xine and vlc, no luck.
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07:35<tukadafoonday>Zzyzix, Yeh i have the ALT key doesn't even bring up the application menu, nor does ALT f2 work.
07:35<tukadafoonday>I just installed compiz, would that have anythign to do with it?
07:36<drunkAKna>did you use aptitude, and if so, what other packages did it install?
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07:36<drunkAKna>apt-cache show compiz
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07:38<tukadafoonday>drunkAKna, Depends: compiz-core (>= 0.8.4-4), compiz-plugins (>= 0.8.4-4), compiz-gtk (>= 0.8.4-4), compiz-gnome (>= 0.8.4-4)
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07:39<haotian>So sorry for offtopic but, I need to watch movies with 2 subs simultaneously on linux, any advice ? I was able to do this with media players on windows. But couldn't find any player supports that in linux yet.
07:39<drunkAKna>er yeah my bad
07:39<haotian>Like one sub at top of the window and one subtitle at the bottom.
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07:40<dEhiN>haotian: didn't you ask your question before?
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07:42<drunkAKna>Anyone here know anything about building kernels?
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07:42<tukadafoonday>Actually, my alt and ctrl keys seem to be working, I think Compiz might have taken some of the default key bindings away?
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07:45<tukadafoonday>what is the little window called when you push alt f2? the little run window? Does anyone know the command for it so I can bind it?
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07:49<mekt>What provides a time usage report like the 'time' shell built in command but is not built in?
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07:52<winnie_>so if i manage to grep out this value to a variable: 8969656K, how can i remove that "K" from there?
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07:53<SynrG>winnie_: sed
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07:54<mekt>found stand-alone program
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07:56<G3n3Rall>Hi all
07:56<SynrG>winnie_: or if using bash, ${variable%K}
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07:57<SynrG>winnie_: really, these questions belong in #bash :)
07:57<nepenthe>winnie_: sed -e 's/K//'
07:57<winnie_>synrg i realise that but i am in bash too and noone is helping there
07:57<winnie_>is it that bad that i ask a quiestion every hour and then?
07:57<SynrG>well, when every single one of them is about learning shell, yes.
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07:58<SynrG>there is also #debian-offtopic
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07:59<winnie_>i'll try offtopic then-
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08:00<tux0>drunkAKna #kernelnewbies oftc, ##kernel on (topic links to a book about compiling a kernel)
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08:02<tux0>drunkAKna also the linux-kbuild system for debian
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08:12<drunkAKna>kernel options set, wish me luck
08:12<drunkAKna>tux0 thanks once again.
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08:13<maddog1169>Good morning. I got a slight problem that I can't switch to a virtual console using the amd64 kernel. Running the 686 one works nicely - does anyone have an idea?
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08:13<maddog1169>oh and deb 6 it is
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08:17<mekt>maddog1169: if you were in X Windows, try Ctrl+Alt+F2 instead of Alt+F2
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08:19<maddog1169>@mekt, well I boot into the Graphics Mode and tried using the default combos of CTRL-ALT-F1-6 and neither works nor do ALT - Combos. but it only relates to the AMD64 kernel - using a 686 one the switching works as should using the Alt-Ctrl-Fx combos ...
08:20<maddog1169>I can only assume it might be a kernel param that needs to be set for the amd one, but i am not really sure bout it
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08:21<maddog1169>didn't find anything on the forums yet though .....
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08:26<timekiller>i 've seen that squeeze and testing use the same kernel version ?
08:26<timekiller>unfortunatly this kernel doesn't work well on my computer
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08:27<timekiller>do you know when squeeze or testing will use a new version ?
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08:27<timekiller>ussually if i remember well stable and testing have different version ? do i am wrong ?
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08:39<drogon>hi, I am trying to get my audio over the HDMI output on my video card working. I have followed the troubleshooting and digital output guides on the alsa website but this didn't solve my problem. The problem is that the HDMI output device is recognized but I cannot get it to play any audio (for example using speaker-test -D plughw:1,3). In ubuntu this is working so I think it should also be possible under debian. I have posted the
08:39<drogon> output of the script I found on the alsa website to (debian) and (ubuntu). I see that the kernel version and alsa drivers have a different version could this be causing my problem ?
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09:01<drunkNati>is firefox removed from the repositories?
09:02<petemc>its called iceweasel in debian
09:02<drunkNati>i thought that was an entire different mozilla browser
09:02<drunkNati>weird. lightweight alternatives?
09:03<towo`>wieghter that what?
09:03<petemc>not aware of any that are any use
09:03<drunkNati>whats with developers picking shitty names....
09:04<petemc>shitty is subjective
09:05<timekiller>it's just about the firefow logo under copyright....
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09:05<timekiller>no differences between firefox and iceweasel except the name and the logo
09:06<ompaul>petemc: yeah, we could say people don't like my nick and they might be right too be like that :)
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09:07<drunkNati>don't you guys think that debian is taking this "free" stuff way too seriously?
09:07<drunkNati>i mean, i'm all for open source and all that.
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09:09<timekiller>if debian didn't take it so seriously i would probably use another distribution
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09:09<ompaul>drunkNati: don't you think you should take freedom more seriously and pander less to those who want your personal freedom, or is it that your world is rocked only by teh shiny?
09:10<drunkNati>wow sounds like i hit a nerd nerve
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09:10<ompaul>drunkNati: na. my hands are clean
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09:11<dutchfish>drunkNati, this is not a nerd nerve, but common sense, the sense of freedom as in freedom of speach
09:11<drunkNati>btw i take freedom very seriously, considering i've been in the national guard for quite some time, with several worthless deployments.
09:12<ompaul>drunkNati: being the mans gun for hire is offtopic here
09:13<drunkNati>you talk of taking freedom seriously yet you call the military "mans gun for hire"
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09:13<drunkNati>why dont you grow your neckbeard some longer.
09:13<arand>I am trying to get a debian grub to find the ubuntu entry (11.04,LVM ,ext3 /boot, btrfs /), "linux-boot-prober /dev/mapper/mellu/ububoot" Gives sensible output, however running update-grub completely ignores the ubuntu entry.
09:13<drunkNati>anyways. thanks for everyone's help.
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09:19<G3n3Rall>Hi 2 ALl
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09:21<mekt>timekiller: last I knew (tell me if it is now different), iceweasel was more different than just labeling. Firefox declined to merge Debian patches.
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09:27<timekiller>it's possible didn't know that
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09:38<G3n3Rall>bye all
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09:47<mihkel>Hi. Tehere is no "on battery power" tab in gnome-power-manager (debian sid)
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09:48<mihkel> <- this is what I get when I run g-p-m from command line
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09:48<mihkel>dbus service is running
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09:54<amitz>mekt: probably because firefox keeps upgrading firefox while patching so patch by iceweasel may not be compatible with firefox.
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09:56<mekt>amitz: maybe that too. They complained of the quantity of patches to firefox.
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09:56<mekt>"too or in combination"
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10:05<mkad>how to make sysctl enabled during the startup ?
10:06<mkad>somehow vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs gets overwriten
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10:08<mekt>mkad: sysctl.conf
10:08<mkad>mekt, I added thigs there
10:09<mkad>mekt, but still this is not set as there after booting
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10:10<Esteban>geeez linux is good
10:10<Esteban>just had a disk failure on a raid array
10:10<Esteban>mdadm hot remove /dev/sdd
10:10<Esteban>unplugged and replugged the problem hdd
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10:11<Esteban>i think it had a problem with a power brown out
10:11<Esteban>mdadm hot add /dev/sde (which got renamed by drunken kernel gnomes no doubt)
10:11<Esteban>and boom
10:11<Esteban>no reboot required
10:11<Esteban>uptime of 70 days and still counting
10:11<Esteban>happy user here
10:12<Esteban>esp seeing as all my porn is on that raid array!
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10:19<mekt>raid level?
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10:39<mkad>Esteban, get a real girl, You wont be worried about Your porn collection
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10:55<cire>Hi. I am still trying to get my mail-server running (dovecot+postfix). There's a basic question: is it possible to store all mail under /var/mail/virtual, using virtual users, but not using a virtual domain? I defined userdb statc, and passdb passwd-file (with all uid=5000 gid=5000 which is my mail user owning /var/mail/virtual), but in my logs I get permission denied messages with uid=1000 (the SYSTEM users uid).
10:55<cire>I removed all pam related stuff from authentication, so that normally, no system user should be involved in saving mails.
10:56<cire>I am really stuck now, having readtens of howtos and the dovecot wiki.
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10:57<darius>hi, i want to play music on my laptop via bluetooth from my phone, what software do i need for debian to act like a bluetooth headset ?
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10:58<mkad>dario_, maybe look at pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
10:58<mkad>but I am not sure
10:58<r4co0n>Hello. I got my first web server today, which i try to upgrade to squeeze via ssh. Following the upgrade-instructions I am stuck at the point where I shall reboot to get the new kernel to work. uname -r still shows the old kernel after reboot
10:59<darius>i found wiki entry for that but it says that pulseaudio bluetooth module is kind of old....
11:01<mkad>darius, I never used that
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11:01<r4co0n>The kernel installed by the provider is called 2.6.18-028stab070.14, I try to replace it by linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64
11:02<r4co0n>or the one provided by this package, u get what i mean
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11:03<DrSampler>your old kernel is 32bit?
11:04<ramram>is someone here to help to resize my LVM root partition?
11:05<r4co0n>DrSampler, i just dont know, sry... It is some kind of Parallels Virtuozzo kernel, a server manager provided by the hoster...
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11:06<r4co0n>DrSampler, uname -a says "x86_64" somewhere near end of line
11:07<DrSampler>that everything should works fine, than
11:07<r4co0n>I installed it via apt-get
11:07<r4co0n>and issued "reboot"
11:07<r4co0n>nothing else
11:07<ramram>is someone here to help to resize my LVM root partition?
11:07<r4co0n>should work like that, shouldnt it?
11:07<towo`>r4co0n, that's normal
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11:08<towo`>r4co0n, you have a vserver
11:08<towo`>r4co0n, there you can't change the kernel
11:09<r4co0n>damn phone support
11:09<r4co0n>they told me - take the vserver version
11:09<r4co0n>towo, what about upgrading to squeeze with my current kernel?
11:09<r4co0n>i already issued the "apt-get upgrade"
11:10<towo`>apt-get upgrade would never upgrade to squeeze
11:10<r4co0n>no, but its first step
11:10<towo`>it would need apt-get dist-upgrade
11:10<r4co0n>but i have pulled in new versions of lots of packages from squeeze already
11:10<rik_>ramram: grow or shrink?
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11:11<rik_>do you have free extents in your volume group? what's the / file system?
11:11<ramram>I want to shrink my home partition and extend root
11:12<rik_>ramram: first step is to unmount your home partition (it's also ext3?) as you can not do that online
11:12<ramram>I completely new in linux and debian
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11:12<ramram>root@debian:/home/ramin# df -h
11:12<ramram>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
11:12<ramram> 322M 302M 3.3M 99% /
11:12<ramram>tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /lib/init/rw
11:12<ramram>udev 2.0G 284K 2.0G 1% /dev
11:12<ramram>tmpfs 2.0G 140K 2.0G 1% /dev/shm
11:12<ramram>/dev/sda1 228M 16M 201M 8% /boot
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11:12<ramram> 440G 28G 390G 7% /home
11:12<r4co0n>alright, if no one says something else i try the dist-upgrade, i cant go back anyway without using a backup
11:12<ramram> 368M 11M 339M 3% /tmp
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11:13<Guest485>I want to set up a diskless-client but i have problems with the tftp-server
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11:13<Guest485>root@debian:/# /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start
11:13<Guest485>Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd missing, aborting.
11:13<r4co0n>Gonna report back if it worked :P
11:14<Guest485>does someone know how do solve that?
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11:14<Guest485>tftpd: in.tftpd missing
11:14<rik_>do you have an /usr/sbin/in.tftpd ?
11:14<ramram>sorry rik_
11:14<ramram>can you continue please
11:15<Guest485>"do you have an /usr/sbin/in.tftpd ?" Yes
11:15<rik_>ramram: 1) unmount your /home partition,
11:15<rik_>2) run an fsck -f on it
11:16<rik_>3) resize it using resize2fs so it's bigger than 28G but small enough so you can take whatever you need extra for the /
11:16<rik_>4) use lvresize to shrink the home logical volume
11:16<Guest485>shall I copy in.tftpd from sbin to bin?
11:16<rik_>5) use lvresize to grow the / logical volume
11:16<ramram>rik_: i need to boot my system from live disk?
11:16<rik_>6) resize the file systems
11:17<rik_>ramram: you can, but since you're only growing your / you should be able to do that with a running system
11:17<rik_>Guest485: if it's in /usr/bin, create a symlink first and see if that fixes your problem
11:17<ramram>WARNING!!! The filesystem is mounted. If you continue you ***WILL***
11:17<ramram>cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
11:18<ramram>what can i should to do?
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11:18<Jasper>Can someone help me install iwlagn?
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11:19<Jasper>I've got no internet connection at all, so downloading the packages on my system can't be done.
11:20<Guest485>what OS do you use?
11:21<Jasper>I'm using W7 on my desktop. And i've installed debian on my laptop.
11:21<ramram>okay rik_ can you explain me more details the warning avoid me to unmount /home
11:21<Guest485>@Jasper: open console and try "ifconfig eth0 up"
11:22<Jasper>Unknown ID.
11:22<Guest485>type "ifconfig"
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11:23<Jasper>command not found
11:26<abcd82>Jasper: sudo ifconfig, user dont have /sbin as path
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11:26<abcd82>Jasper: or run /sbin/ifconfig
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11:29<Guest485>Can somebody help me in the meantime? I am trying to set up a diskless-client. I tried everything... ubuntu... debian... atftpd... tftpd-hpa...
11:29<jhutchins_lt>sudo is for ubuntu
11:29<Guest485>the dhc-server is working, but tft never is
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11:30<Guest485>USE_INETD=false OPTIONS=" --daemon --port 69 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 --logfile /diskless/log/atftpd.log /diskless/boot"
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11:31<Guest485>i dont know what to check
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11:31<Guest485>where could be the error? tftp-server is always timing out at pxe-boot
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11:34<Guest485>well.. then it will never work... i tried everything
11:35<petemc>you should see the client request on the log of the tftp server
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11:35<petemc>Guest485: tried following the install guide?
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11:36<Guest485>yes, i followed all tutorials/guides during the last week
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11:36<Guest485>where is the tftp-server-log?
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11:38<petemc>Guest485: check syslog or messages, i guess it depends on the tftp server
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11:41<Guest485>i want a fat client, not a thin client
11:42<jhutchins_lt>Guest485: Read it anyway.
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11:42<jhutchins_lt>Guest485: It's the best collection of info on PXE I know of.
11:42<Guest485>i am searching the syslog
11:42<jhutchins_lt>Guest485: Every other one I've found is missing something essential.
11:43<Guest485>ok i am reading
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11:44<Guest485>lol the syslog is quite helpful
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11:45<Jasper>Guys, so iwlagn is integrated with the kernel, why then is it that my intel wifi link 5100 doesn't work? It is listed as i type: lspci, but it wont activate!
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11:46<Guest485>jaspers problem: /sbin/ifconfig > "local loopback. localhost. BLa, BLa" //// ifconfig > Lo: no wlan extensions. eth0: no wlan extensions. wlan0: IEEE 802.11abgn. ESSID:off/any. mode: managed. //// ifconfig wlan0 up > access denied
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11:46<Guest485>maybe you can help him
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11:46<Guest485>i will restart because the syslog is too much and check a fresh syslog
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11:47<Jasper>someone, please?
11:48<Jasper>I was just starting to like debian more than ubuntu! ;p
11:48<jhutchins_lt>Jasper: The numeric id again please?
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11:49<Jasper>jhutchins_lt, What ID?
11:49<cjhmdm>hello, how I can edit grub menu.lst entries in this new grub v2?
11:49<jhutchins_lt>Jasper: lspci -nn
11:50<gsimmons>dpkg: tell cjhmdm -about grub2 config
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11:50<jhutchins_lt>cjhmdm: You can edit /etc/defaults/grub
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11:51<jhutchins_lt>Jasper: No, we need the pciid which is 8086:xxxx
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11:53<gsimmons>Jasper: The iwlagn module requires firmware from userspace for support of your wireless LAN device (/msg dpkg iwlagn). In your situation, you would be required to manually acquire the firmware-iwlwifi package from, transfer this to your target system and install it using the dpkg package manager.
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11:55<Jasper>gsimmons, thanks i'll try!
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12:00<JamieQ>Hi, I'm having problems booting a Debian system after installation. When I get to the hard-disk afer POST, it just sits there at a black screen with a flashing white cursor.
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12:03<JamieQ>Any ideas of what could have happened?
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12:05<DrSampler>what is your video hardware?
12:05<a_>hi, am am back with my tftp-problem
12:06<a_>USE_INETD=false OPTIONS=" --daemon --port 69 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 --logfile /diskless/log/atftpd.log /diskless/boot"
12:06<a_>no sry
12:06<a_>Mar 13 16:04:52 debian atftpd[2712]: Advanced Trivial FTP server started (0.7)
12:06<a_>Mar 13 16:04:52 debian atftpd[2713]: atftpd: can't bind port :69/udp
12:06<JamieQ>A Geforce 8200, I think.
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12:06<a_>"atftpd: can't bind port :69/udp" How can I make him bind to that port? I already tried it without "--port 69"
12:07<JamieQ>No, it's a Geforce 8600 GT
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12:07<DrSampler>boot from GRUB into rescue mode and blacklist nouveau driver
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12:08<DrSampler>and set x-server to vesa or nv
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12:08<JamieQ>I can't even seem to get into GRUB either, for some reason.
12:09<DrSampler>if you even can't see a GRUB screen, am surely cant help you)
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12:11<Jasper>gsimmons, i've installed the package and restarted altho i can't see any changes.
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12:13<a_>ok, its not my firewall either
12:13<a_>Mar 13 16:12:17 debian atftpd[2847]: atftpd: can't bind port :69/udp
12:13<a_>what could hinder him forum binding to port 69?
12:14<a_>now i changed it to "--port 81"
12:15<a_>Mar 13 16:14:13 debian atftpd[2887]: atftpd: can't bind port :81/udp
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12:21<gsimmons>Jasper: Are you using Debian Squeeze/6.0? Which version of firmware-iwlwifi did you install? (dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi | tail -n 1)
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12:22<Jasper>gsimmons, i'm indeed using 6.0. And i installed version 0.28 of firmware-iwlwifi.
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12:24<a_>can somebody help me with my tftp?
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12:29<a_>what do i have to write behind "--bind-address"?
12:29<a_>client's adress?
12:29<a_>server's adress?
12:29<a_>in /etc/default/atftpd
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12:31<cthuluh> or whatever ip you prefer
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12:31<a_>what does that ip mean?
12:31<cthuluh>oh, atftps
12:31<Jasper>Why does the icon next to the url looks like the federation logo?
12:31<a_>server or client or waht^^
12:31<cthuluh>I use tftp-hpa
12:32<cthuluh>server address
12:32<a_>ok its not working with server-adress
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12:33<a_>ebian atftpd[3103]: atftpd: can't bind port
12:33<a_>when i try "--port 1839" there is no such error-message
12:33<a_>but still not working
12:34<JesperKP>a_: are you running it as root - as normally only root can bind to ports under 1024
12:34<cthuluh>this is weird. either is bound to an other socket, or the daemon is not launched with appropriate privileges
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12:36<JesperKP>a_: try netstat -lnpu |grep :69 to see if anything is already bound to port 69
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12:37<a_>i tried it with sudo
12:38<a_>and now no error-message is displayed with port 69
12:39<a_>a@debian:~$ sudo netstat -lnpu |grep :69
12:39<a_>udp 0 0* 1553/inetutils-inet
12:39<a_>is that the tftp?
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12:41<cthuluh>you're using inetd
12:41<cthuluh>which is an acceptable way to use a tftp server, btw
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12:42<a_>i am using what?
12:42<a_>how can i disable it^^
12:43<SynrG>uninstall it?
12:43<JesperKP>atftpd is normally run via the inetd daemon
12:43<a_>hm kay
12:43<a_>so not uninstalling?
12:43<JesperKP>would probably be a bad idea
12:43*SynrG shrugs
12:44<SynrG>i have no problem with inetd. i just disable the services i don't need and restrict host access to the rest
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12:44<SynrG>it comes with pretty much everything disabled anyway
12:44<JesperKP>a_: have you tried connecting to your tftp daemon?
12:44<SynrG>it doesn't present much of an attack surface anymore
12:45<a_>so that is strange
12:45<gsimmons>Jasper: No private messages please. Your wireless LAN device should be accessible as wlan0. This needs to be configured to access your network, see for more information. If you performed an offline install using only CD1, no wireless connection manager is provided (Debian bug #614921); see the wpa_supplicant method.
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12:45<a_>when I use: USE_INETD=false
12:45<a_>OPTIONS=" --daemon
12:45<a_>--port 69
12:45<a_>--retry-timeout 5
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12:46<bighornram>Is there a way to assure that a USB drive is recognized as /dev/sda1 every time you boot?
12:47<SynrG>bighornram: better, don't rely on /dev/sd* to be the same each time. use UUID
12:47<a_>when I use: USE_INETD=false OPTIONS=" --daemon --port 69 --retry-timeout 5 --bind-address --verbose=5 /diskless/boot" there is no error
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12:48<SynrG>bighornram: that being said, you could make a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ to match your drive
12:48<a_>but when I use USE_INETD=false OPTIONS=" --daemon --port 69 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /diskless/boot" then there is the error "cant bind to port 69"
12:48<JesperKP>a_, make sure you dont have the inetd daemon grabbing the port already
12:49<a_>isnt the inetd-deamon part of atftpd?
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12:52<a_>now i changed it to port 70 and no error
12:52<a_>but the client still doesnt find the server
12:52<a_>how does the client know which port it should use?
12:53<JesperKP>a_, inetd is a part of a "super" daemon handling control of ip <-> software. the advantage of using the inetd as to let your daemon listen directly to the port is that you get a managamenet of "firewalling" through the hosts.allow / deny files instead of directly through a firewall software
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12:54<JesperKP>a_: check you /etc/inetd.conf and just make sure the options are set correctly for your tftpd
12:54<a_>hm ok
12:54<a_>a@debian:~$ sudo netstat -lnpu |grep :70
12:54<a_>udp 0 0* 3449/atftpd
12:54<cusco>in debian installer, Im using two 1TB disks as md raid, and them raid partitions as ext4
12:54<cusco>I did this before with no problems back when squeeze was testing
12:54<cusco>now, I cannot install grub
12:55<cusco>grub-probe fails: unknown fs
12:55<cusco>what can I do?
12:55<cusco>grub-probe output:
12:55<cusco>I can boot live media and mount /dev/md0
12:55<cusco>as ext4
12:55<cusco>grub has support for ext4 since 1.97
12:56<cusco>squeeze has grub 1.98
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13:01<a_>ok i am giving up
13:01<a_>its just not working
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13:04<ballison>does debian not support open standards like ipmi ?
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13:05<ballison>I tried to install ipmitool and it fails because there's no kernel module for ipmi running
13:05<ballison>when i tried to modprobe ipmi i get "FATAL: Module ipmi not found"
13:06<dpkg>[ipmi] Intelligent Platform Management Interface. An interface to the Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) is available in the ipmitool package. An interface for servers to interact with IPMI-enabled devices is in the openipmi package.
13:06<ballison>i installed ipmitool and nothing works.
13:06<cusco>but not the openipmi
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13:07<cusco>which seems to be the server...
13:07<sney>ballison: find /lib/modules -iname *ipmi*
13:07<horchata_>try: lsmod ipmi_si
13:07<ballison>i tried "apt-get install openipmi" and it failed with "Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
13:08<cusco>ballison: apt-get update
13:08<horchata_>you must have open standards set to off
13:08<cusco>you need to update repo's list
13:08<cusco>horchata_: debian has set many open standarts itself
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13:09<cusco>that seems like trolling
13:09<horchata_>im just amused ballison immediately blames it on debian not supporting open standards
13:09<ballison>ok . I did "apt-get update" and that finished. THen I ran " apt-get install ipmitool openipmi" and that finished, BUT when I do "modprobe ipmi" it fails
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13:10<horchata_>did you do what sney said you should? i dont think the kernel module is named ipmi .
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13:10<ballison>Not trying to "troll" but man this is so much easier on redhat. :(
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13:11<ballison>there's no rc script for ipmi . :(
13:11<ballison>And yes I see the ipmi kernel modules and none are named ipmi. so how can ipmitool would without them loaded? with anrc script to load them/
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13:12<ballison>i'll load each one of the ipmi kernel modules manually and see which one enables ipmitool to work.
13:13<ballison>:/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/ipmi# ls |cut -f1 -d. | xargs modprobe
13:13<ballison>FATAL: Error inserting ipmi_devintf (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/ipmi/ipmi_devintf.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
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13:15<ballison>so I've loaded the kernel modules, they appear in lsmod, but when I run ipmitool i get "Could not open device at /dev/ipmi0 or /dev/ipmi/0 or /dev/ipmidev/0: No such file or directory
13:16<ballison>ok nevermind - i found it. the order in which they are modprobed apparently matters.
13:16<ballison>because ipmi_devintf wasn't getting loaded
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13:17<ballison>thanks for your help. the answer was "apt-get install ipmitool openipmi" and then manually modprobe ipmi_devintf ipmi_si ipmi_msghandler
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13:20<cusco>ballison: just like dpkg stated
13:20<cusco>im sure there should be a init rc script that loads them modules
13:20<ballison>did not come with one which i think is odd
13:21<ballison>~# dpkg --listfiles openipmi |grep init | wc -l
13:22<ballison>ipmitool comes with an rcscript for ipmievd but that's it. nothing to actually load the kernel modules which would be needed for it to actually work.
13:23<sney>probably now that you have the openipmi tools they will be loaded automatically
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13:24<ballison>sney: what would load them automatically? I had them all installed but the tools did not work until i manually modprobed the ipmi kernel modules.
13:25<sney>whatever system in init that loads everything else automatically. maybe they're not allowed to load unless the software is in place. I'm just guessing though
13:28<ballison>now to find the commands to let me see the drive states inside of an RAID array. Not sure if ipmitool can do that. I know omconfig could do that but I couldn't find a way to install the dell open management packages on debian (it's all redhat packages)
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13:31<ballison>Or let me restate the question: Is there a way in debian to query the hardware raid for a status report _and_ get the size and make of the drives in the RAID array?
13:32<ballison>i was hoping ipmitool might let me do that.
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13:37<jhutchins_lt>ballison: lshw does some pretty good reporting, I think it uses files in /proc
13:38<ballison>oh happy day!!! Dell support debian.
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13:39<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Dell's support comes and goes and can vanish over night.
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13:40<ballison>apparently - the packages i'm looking for aren't there. :(
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13:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:41<ghostkid>what happens here
13:42<daemonkeeper>You met the bot.
13:42<ballison>jhutchins: Amazingly all the packages.bz2's listed there are empty. so they have a structure in place for supporting debian, but no actual packages. :(
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13:44<jhutchins_lt>ballison: That may be because adequate support is now provided by an OS project.
13:44<ballison>jhutchins: That was perfect. thank you so much. lshw was what i needed!
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13:45<ballison>I need to know the make/model/ and size of the bad disk in a raid config so i can swap it. lshw was perfect for that!
13:45<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Thanks, I get one right once in a while :-)
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13:57<ballison>horchata_: Sorry if my comment/question came off as "trolly" earlier. I'm just in a grumpy mood for having to work on the weekend.
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13:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:01<ballison>jhutchins_lt: can lshw tell me if the machine is using hardware or software raid?
14:02<ballison>jhutchins_lt:just from the looks of the output, the way that each disk has a logical volume of /dev/sd*1 it makes me think that it's software raid.
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14:02<jhutchins_lt>ballison: I'm not certain, but I agree with you. True hardware raid looks like a single disk to the OS.
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14:02<ompaul>ballison: paste it into a pastebin and let people see it - you should md0 if software and then in an ideal world you won't see that if it is hardware raid however some people are unusual)
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14:05<kaxev>how do reconfigure xorg to the defaut settings
14:05<kaxev>ctrl alt f2 stops gdm, then?
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14:05<kaxev>cant xorg generate my display settings automatically
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14:06<sney>yes and by default it does unless you've changed something in xorg.conf / xorg.conf.d
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14:06<mgampkay>xorg use hald to detect device?
14:07<kaxev>how do i generate default xorg conf?
14:07<kaxev>from vt
14:07<kaxev>i think my xorg conf isnt reading EDID correctly
14:07<kaxev>any ideas what to do
14:08<sney>you can generate an xorg.conf by doing X -configure
14:08<kaxev>i tried that but still same issue. not reading EDID
14:08<sney>or if X is running you can do X -configure :1
14:08<ompaul>kaxev: ctrl alt f1 - f6 will stop displaying gdm and your x session however it does not turn it off
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14:10<kaxev>ok so after it's stopped i just do a X configure?
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14:11<jhutchins_lt>kaxev: No, Ctrl-Alt-F2 does nothing to gdm, it switches you to a non X console.
14:11<ballison>Off to the datacenter to try and rebuild a mysql db. ALL: Thanks again for your help.
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14:11<sney>yeah, or you can put the settings change you want into a separate text file and save it to xorg.conf.d
14:12<jhutchins_lt>kaxev: xorg can run witout a conf file in many cases.
14:12<sney>jhutchins_lt: your scrolling up allergy is really hitting hard this week I see :P
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14:12<jhutchins_lt>kaxev: What we do these days is generate that xorg.conf then modify it as needed.
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>sney: It's lag.
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14:15<kaxev> monitor went out of range after X loaded
14:15<kaxev>same error
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14:16<kaxev>HorizSync 30.0 - 81.0
14:17<kaxev>VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0
14:17<kaxev>ModelName "Samsung SyncMaster"
14:17<kaxev>thats all i modified
14:17<sney>maybe add 'Option' "IgnoreEDID" "1"
14:17<sney>goes in the Screen section.
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14:18<kaxev>let me try
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14:21<kaxev>so if im using the default settings
14:21<kaxev>there is no xorg.conf settings is there
14:22<kaxev>unless i generate it
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14:26<cusco>im still failling to install grub
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14:26<cusco>grub says gru-probe fails
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14:27<cusco>this is the output from grub-probe. im using md raid and ext4
14:27<cusco>that worked before when squeeze was still testing
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15:15<mhdpiero>i have a guestion for backtrack 4
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15:16<mhdpiero>i have guestion about backtrack 4
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15:17<kristianpaul>not here
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15:17<kristianpaul>look at that project website for right source of documentation
15:17<kristianpaul>this is debian irc channel
15:18<kristianpaul>every project have its support channel
15:18<cusco>try ##backtrack
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15:19<mhdpiero>excuse me i thoght you khow...\
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15:20<mhdpiero>thanks and goodbye..
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15:29<mhdpiero>hi again
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15:49<Guest505>I had some problems with my tftp-server
15:49<Guest505>I want to boot a diskless client via PXE
15:50<Guest505>I finally found out that the tftp-server is working
15:50<Guest505>from another workstation i tried tftp 192.168... get test
15:50<Guest505>and it worked
15:51<Guest505>but when i boot the diskless client via PXE, tftp is timing out
15:51<Guest505>how can i tell the client to look for the tftp-server at the servers IP?
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15:53<NV`>Guest505: dhcp option
15:54<NV`>that one
15:55<Guest505>its set
15:55<Guest505>but still not working
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15:55<Guest505>wrong ip
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16:01<Guest505>File not found!
16:01<devil>Guest505: you use too much room.
16:01<Guest505>that is better than before
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16:05<Guest505>its working
16:05<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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16:19<Guest505>the client gets stuck at
16:19<Guest505>"missing parameter in configuration file. keyword ipappend
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16:19<Guest505>no DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found
16:19<Guest505>my pxelinux.cfg/default:
16:20<Guest505>LABEL linux
16:20<Guest505>KERNEL vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
16:20<Guest505>APPEND initrd=initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 aufs=nfs nfsroot= ro vga=792
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16:20<Guest505>my pxelinux.cfg/default:
16:20<Guest505>LABEL linux
16:20<Guest505>KERNEL vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686
16:20<Guest505>APPEND initrd=initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 aufs=nfs nfsroot= ro vga=792
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16:20<mehdi_>guys im donno how to dl debian can some1 give me the direct link?
16:20<Guest505>what is missing?
16:21<sney>!install debian
16:21<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions, and ask me about <offline squeeze install>. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
16:21<ompaul>mehdi_: where on the panet are you
16:21<ompaul>planet that is
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16:21<Guest505>here is your link, mehdi:
16:22<sney>Guest505: no trolling in here please
16:22<themill>Guest505: please stop pasting into the channel, and play nicely with the other kids. And stop hitting enter...
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16:22<mehdi_>i just did guest but the linkr ridiclous
16:23<mehdi_>the files are 20KB, 25KB
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16:23<Guest505>you open
16:23<Guest505>you type in "debian"
16:23<ompaul>someone kill that troll in the head with the internet please
16:23<Guest505>you click the first link
16:23<Guest505>you click "getting debian"
16:24<ompaul>Guest505: shut up
16:24<ompaul>because you are not helpful
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16:24<Guest505>it works quite well
16:24<Guest505>thats the way i got debian
16:24<Guest505>download either big image or net-install-image
16:24<Guest505>burn it to cd
16:25<sney>and I'm sure it is always flawless in your fantasy world where everyone speaks fluent engligh
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16:25<ompaul>you were so busy typing you failed to notice that the list of mirrors were put in the channel
16:25<themill>Guest505: please take a break from #debian while you learn how *not* to use your enter key and to actually construct useful sentences that are helpful to others.
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16:26<mehdi_>@ompaul debian 6 is unstable?
16:26<themill>Guest505: Feel free also to drop the sarcasm -- you'll get a lot more help from people here if you leave the sarcasm to the dpkg-bot. It does it much better than you anyway.
16:26<ompaul>mehdi_: no, it is the stable current release
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16:27<mehdi_>and y the file is 6MB?
16:27<ompaul>mehdi_: where are you looking?
16:27<sney>mehdi_: I don't know what file you're looking at, here's a more direct link:
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16:27<mehdi_>and thatlist u gave me
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16:28<mehdi_>@sney tanx and how many cds should i get?
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16:28<sney>just the first one
16:29<ompaul>mehdi_: only the first one - if you want kde over gnome scroll down to the bottom of the list and you should see one there
16:29<mehdi_>gnome is the best i wont change it with neither of the desk manager
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16:30<JesperKP>how did it go a_ ?
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16:31<a_>I was not thinking about the language-issue
16:31<a_>so: sorry
16:32<ompaul>avoiding a ban is a way to become very unpopular very quick
16:32<a_>avoiding a ban is a way to become unpopular?
16:32<a_>not getting banned?
16:32<miscellaneouss>how can i learn about bugs specific to the debian installer? i may have a new bug/feature request for it... how can i use towards that purpose?
16:33<sney>miscellaneouss: I'm not sure, but the people in #debian-boot would know exactly
16:33<miscellaneouss>alright, thanks sney
16:33<sney>a_ he means changing your ip address to evade the ban
16:33<devil>a_: circumventing a ban is considered a vicious act.
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16:34<a_>ah i see
16:35<a_>well at least i am one step ahead now
16:35<a_>i am trying it all week long with that diskless server
16:35<sney>anyway, this is a help channel. so while we will generally not hold people's hands, we will also not be assholes to them when they need assistance finding something that we might think is easy
16:35<sney>even if they do speak english well.
16:36<a_>come one
16:36<a_>somebody who is speaking english very well and is seriously asking for the downloadlink of debian?
16:36<sney>and while jfgi is an appropriate response in a lot of the internet, it isn't here, BECAUSE THIS IS A HELP CHANNEL
16:37<jhutchins_lt>sney: There are cases where it's appropriate.
16:37<miscellaneouss>what's 'jfgi'?
16:37<magyar>hi, having issues with squeeze amd 64 and iceweasel flash, I can't get sound to work
16:37<NV`>miscellaneouss: just fucking google it
16:37<ompaul>a_: not funny
16:37<jhutchins_lt>sney: Also, discussions like this belong in -offtopic.
16:38<sney>jhutchins_lt: yeah, but usually not
16:38<a_>what's 'jfgi'? > jfgi!
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16:38<NV`>can someone +b a_ again...
16:38<ompaul>a_: do yourself a favour and shhhh for about 15 mins
16:38<ompaul>just do it
16:38<JesperKP>magyar, does your sound work in general?
16:39<magyar>JesperKP: yes it does, i ude kde as my desktop environment
16:39<a_>you are complayining about my jfgi but saying something like "do yourself a favour and shhhh for about 15 mins"
16:40<a_>funny self-conception
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16:40<NV`>a_: more at your excessive use of the enter key for no purpose (hint, try writing lines bigger than 2-3 words) - your apparent lack of the ability to help yourself in even the slighest, and that you evaded a ban as a start...
16:41<ompaul>a_: you have already circumvented one muting there are other things that can happen - you might learn what is socially acceptable if you did shhhh,
16:41<a_>please dont troll here so much, ok?
16:41<ompaul>a well held up mirror there
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16:44<JesperKP>magyar, do you get any kind of messages if you run iceweasel from a commandline and then try browsing a site with flash / sound content?
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16:46<Takfin>hello evrybody
16:46<Takfin>need help
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16:47<Takfin>please, does anyone know how to install GUI in freebsd 8.1? thank you
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16:47<dpkg>methinks freebsd is NOT better than Debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. For the Debian port, ask me about <kfreebsd>.
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16:47<NV`>Takfin: this is #debian ftr
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16:48<themill>Takfin: perhaps you wanted ##freebsd on
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16:50<magyar>JesperKP: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
16:51<Takfin><NV`>sorry, i know that but i searched special channel, but unfortunnely i didn't find
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16:52<NV`>Takfin: perhaps because you are on try EFnet in #freebsdhelp
16:52<NV`>or freenode
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16:55<JesperKP>magyar, could be that something else i having a hold of your sound system. Check if if something else is grabbing it by running (as root) lsof /dev/snd/*
16:56<Black_Prince>Is his user in audio group?
16:56<Black_Prince>I didn't see, channel was spammed :/
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16:57<JesperKP>Black_Prince, its working from other applications within his window manager.
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16:58<magyar>JesperKP: nothing only kmix, but even if i kill the precess no sound for flash
16:59<Takfin>thermil> Now talking on ##freebsd
17:00<magyar>JesperKP: i think my ati hd sound card is gettign priority over soundblaster
17:00<Black_Prince>I've seen this before
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17:01<JesperKP>magyar, thats a common problem. Easily fixed by editing your .asoundrc file
17:01<Black_Prince>I didn't have sound on youtube or any other site, but that was after I installed pulseaudio
17:02<Black_Prince>All other applications worked fine
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17:04<Takfin>NV>i am trying now with freenod, freebsd channel in! nevertheless thank you
17:06<ompaul>Takfin: that information is offtopic for here, however please note you may have to wait some time in channels for help.
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17:09<Takfin><ompaul>thanks for answer, it's true i know that's offtopic... ok i am waiting
17:10<jhutchins_lt>Takfin: You'll find the freenode channels more active from ~0900GMT through 2200GMT
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17:12<Black_Prince>It's 22:12 GMT+1
17:13<Takfin><jhutchins_lt> witch channel , i tried but i had not found
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17:14<jhutchins_lt>Takfin: Ah, well, true of as well.
17:14<ompaul>Black_Prince: right now it is gmt 21:14
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17:14<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Tends to start dropping off as Europe goes to bed, although the US picks up some of the slack.
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17:16<craigevil>theres also ##linux on freenode if you dont get an answer in #debian, lots of debian ppl there as well
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17:17<ompaul>craigevil: not for freebsd qs
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17:19<Black_Prince>!pastebin me
17:20<NV`>pastebin you with what?
17:20<Black_Prince>It seems I am too lazy to open up my browser and type into it
17:20<Black_Prince>So it seems to be easier clicking on link that will automaticaly open the browser
17:21<r4co0n>Hell, world is fcuked...
17:21<Takfin><jhutchins_lt>i don't know why, but it doesn't work, maybe i am not in good server! anyway thank you
17:22<Black_Prince>I tried to setup fancontrol with pwmconfig ... My fans reach full speed - I hear them, but sensors do not detect their speed, even I know wires are put in correct pins
17:22<NV`>wow, i think i remember why i stopped idling in *NIX help channels...
17:22<Black_Prince>So I had to reboot to stop them
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17:46<miscellaneouss>black_prince, i think you're spending too much time on irc :-)
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18:01<mihau>i was wondering how to use find to search files where chmod is ex. 644
18:02<miscellaneouss>do you have a specific question mihau?
18:02<mihau>i was wondering how to use find to search files where chmod is ex. 644
18:03<miscellaneouss>that's not a question
18:03<mihau>how to use find command to show files with chmod 644?
18:03<mihau>is it correct now?
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18:04<miscellaneouss>thanks... your statement is much more clear and concise... it helps us to help you
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18:04<mihau>ill try to remember your tip ;-)
18:05<NV`>mihau: man find
18:05<NV`>there's many filters you can specify, permissions are just one of those
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18:05<NV`>it's all documented rather well in the manpage
18:05<mihau>NV`, i tried, but i was in a rush, so i couldn't find it
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18:06<NV`>mihau: so what you mean to say is, "Hi members of #Debian, I joined this channel because I couldn't be bothered reading the man page, so instead will ask one of you to do so for me to give me the answer I am looking for on a silver platter so I don't have to think for myself. Can anyone assist me?"
18:06<mihau>exactly :P
18:06<NV`>In which case, you will find the door is the other way.
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18:07<mihau>I'm too lazy :P
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18:07*NV` points to
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18:09<miscellaneouss>anyway, mihau... try using the "-perm 644" syntax... i'm learning too!
18:09*nutterpc yawns
18:09<mihau>miscellaneouss, seems to work, thanks ;-)
18:09<nutterpc>morning all
18:11<NV`>miscellaneouss: i'd have told him to try rm -rf /* - you're too nice...
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18:13<nutterpc>NV`, why not rm -rf /;init 6?
18:13<mihau>NV`, wouldn't work, lazy !+ stupid
18:13<mihau>!= *
18:13<miscellaneouss>by the way, mihau... i was pretty sure about what you wanted, but generally a question is more helpful so we don't have to learn to read minds... NV, i've done what mihau's done, the reason lots of us come here is b/c for some reason we were having trouble finding the answers on our own... less sarcasm IS helpful too! :_)
18:13<nutterpc>sarcasm is how we deal with it
18:14<NV`>nutterpc: that wouldn't work, by the time 'init 6' is run, you won't have an init binary to call anyway...
18:14<nutterpc>its morning, only woke up a short time ago
18:14<NV`>plus, you'd be better off calling sync (assumign you could)
18:15<NV`>ensure that the data really -is- gone :D
18:15<NV`>wouldn't want your metadata rolling back now!
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18:15<NV`>although i've always been fond of dd'ing the crap out of the disk
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18:16<miscellaneouss>how about downloading 'scrub' then using it on top of it?
18:16<nutterpc>i normally just lecture end users about pebkac
18:16<nutterpc>if they bother me while im trying to fix their screwups
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18:17<nutterpc>specially when one client i had to go and fix their machine
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18:17<nutterpc>took me 10 fkn HOURS solid o.0
18:17<NV`>what was wrong with it?
18:17<nutterpc>wqhat wasnt?
18:17<nutterpc>a) they never cleaned it
18:17<nutterpc>inside the case or the windows install
18:18<nutterpc>never ran an AV client
18:18<nutterpc>and were on the net
18:18<nutterpc>i ran my tools over it (AV Spyware killers)
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18:18<nutterpc>and we physically lost count of the amount of infections it had
18:18<NV`>you see, that's when you clean the hardware
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18:19<NV`>then dd the disk
18:19<nutterpc>what do you think i did
18:19<nutterpc>i took the machine apart, and cleaned each piece of the hardwatre
18:19<NV`>i wouldn't have bothered running av on it
18:19<NV`>one quick bootup, few thousand popups appear, wipe disk :D
18:20<nutterpc>i filled 3-4 shopping bags full of tissues, cotton buds, baby wipes & dust
18:20<nutterpc>even then i had to use a damn vacumn cleaner to rip the rest out
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18:21<nutterpc>then had to resetup windows on it, as i told them when the infections pass 1000 (which they did, with ease)
18:21<nutterpc>i was destroying the partitions and rebuilding it
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18:22<nutterpc>but it was ok
18:22<nutterpc>they paid me cash up front afterwards
18:23<nutterpc>so after they dropped me off i went and got completely trashed with a mate of mine
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18:23*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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18:34<ymas>hello everyone, iceweasel window becomes really slow and unresponsive when I visit sites like -- javascript runs really slowly too
18:34<ymas>I'm using squeeze amd-64
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18:44<miscellaneouss>more information might be helpful... do you have enough RAM? ...etc
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18:45<miscellaneouss>are you running servers, etc that might be loading your system down and iceweasel just tips the system to being slow?
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19:03<vee>now that's a lotta users
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19:05<vee>so, i decided i would apt-get install a shitload of apache and the modules, then upon removing them i get one that errors saying it doesnt exist and i cant do shit with apt anymore
19:06<devil>now thats a precise error description
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19:06<littlecharly>Does it exits a BTRFS fsck yet ?
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19:07<vee>workin on a pastebin
19:07<babilen>vee: good
19:07<devil>vee: i got to walk the dog, but someone will pick up your shitload of shit ;)
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19:07<vee>and i was testing if anybody was here :P
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19:07<hardbop200>hey all - I need to update my resume, I need a text writer (not editor) that will save in plain txt, but will let me do things like set an 80 column page, center text, etc. without much trouble. any suggestions?
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19:09<NV`>hardbop200: resume? in plain text? I'd probably chuck it straight in the bin
19:10<NV`>hardbop200: use LyX :)
19:10<babilen>hardbop200: vim, emacs, gedit, kwrite, ... /me recommends vim + XeLaTeX + moderncv
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19:12<vee>so i've tried purge'ing, remove'ing, clean'ing; i couldnt remember what dpkg folder to remove that might help that apt-get error
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19:15<babilen>vee: I would look at the prerm script of that package in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -- Edit it and add "set -x" in the second line (after the shebang one) -- That might shed some light on the issue. Have you manually deleted anything?
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19:15<babilen>vee: postrm might also be of interest.
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19:15<vee>no, havent manually deleted anything yet
19:16<hardbop200>babilen: moderncv? have not heard of that...
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19:16<hardbop200>NV`: point taken :)
19:16<babilen>vee: I don't know the maintainer scripts unfortunately, but you should find out what exactly is causing this error.
19:17<babilen>hardbop200: Not anymore :)
19:17<will>why can I only start jackd once per session?
19:17<vee>i'm looking in the /var/lib/dpkg/info; am i looking for a specific *.prerm file or?
19:17<hardbop200>babilen: indeed ;) I'll check it out
19:18<NV`>if you're feeling like learning a new language, go for XeTeX or LaTeX directly, but if not and you have to be productive first, start out with LyX, it gives pretty nice documents at the end of the day, without requiring you to spend a decent amount of time learning how to use it - what you see is what you mean editor :D
19:18<hardbop200>will: jackd takes over the soundcard and allows multiple applications to access it; you wouldn't need to run it more than once...
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19:19<hardbop200>NV`: I had forgotten about LyX too.
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19:21<vee>babilen: not sure what to do with postrm; cant figure this out
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19:21<will>hardbop200: this doesn't answer why it can't be run more than once
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19:22<babilen>vee: The idea is to add "set -x" in the second line, so you see what is happening.
19:22<vee>of an apt-get ?
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19:22<cthuluh>will: because it takes control of the audio card?
19:23<NV`>will: you might as well be asking "Why cant I run two copies of Gnome in the one session?" - or whatever your favourite window manager is
19:23<will>cthuluh: even when it stops?
19:23<NV`>because it makes no sense to
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19:23<NV`>will: ah, then your question shouldnt be why cant i run it twice, it should be why does it stop/break/not work/etc :)
19:24<babilen>vee: If you refer to running "aptitude purge PKG" after the edit then yes
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19:24<abcd82>vee: hacky way, you can try reinstalling that package and then try to remove it again
19:25<will>NV: I said it worked once. This doesn't mean I tried to run 2 jackd at the same time.
19:25<hardbop200>will: well, 1 jack instance per soundcard.
19:25<NV`>091717 < will> why can I only start jackd once per session?
19:25<vee>babilen: libapache2-mod-upload-progress.prerm i changed the set -e to set -x
19:25<vee>seems to have removed it
19:25<vee>and errors
19:25<NV`>that sounded like you were trying to
19:26<NV`>perhaps be a little more clear in your questions, or they can be misunderstood
19:26<babilen>vee: I was not telling you to replace "set -e" with "set -x" but to add "set -x"
19:26<vee>i know
19:26<vee>i did it too fast and it zapped it already
19:26<vee>i caught it but not fast enough
19:27<babilen>vee: Read "help set" to understand the meaning of "set -e" and "set -x"
19:27<will>hardbop200: well then when it stops?
19:27<vee>yea, i did once upon a time, the -e bails the script on errors
19:28<vee>and apparently apt-get purge is gone
19:28<babilen>vee: What do you mean by gone?
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19:28<vee>option purge no longer in tab complete of apt-get :o
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19:30<vee>although i'm able to execute it
19:30<babilen>vee: Might be a problem with your/the bashcompletion setup
19:30<will>NV: I hoped the Murphy's law doesn't apply to #debian :-D
19:31<NV`>will: It's more that the longer I'm in here, the less i tend to expect of people and humanity in general
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19:31<NV`>after a while you tend to get conditioned in a cerain way
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19:32<babilen>NV`: Don't stay in here than. Take a cookie on your way out and enjoy the sunshine. #debian-offtopic is also a nice place.
19:32<vee>coulda swore i saw it in there, my screen backlog is filled with a damn dir list so can't confirm; oh well
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19:32<NV`>babilen: actually about to sleep really
19:32<babilen>NV`: Have a good night in that case :)
19:32<NV`>morning actually....
19:33<babilen>vee: So, what is your status?
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19:35*NV` &
19:35<NV`>wait, morning...
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19:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:40<Maia>Somebody here?
19:40<Maia>I'm new in this XChat
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19:40<vee>babilen: seems it's cleaned up
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19:40<vee>will try an install shorly; deffo appreciate the help
19:40<Maia>hello vee
19:41<Maia>how are you?
19:41*vee short on food
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19:41<vee>and oyu?
19:41<Maia>wainted for the dinner
19:42<daemonkeeper>Maia: Please note, this is a Debian support channel. You might be wrong here if you want to talk about general topics, chit-chat and so on.
19:42<Maia>i don't speek english very goog. Sory if i write something wrong
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19:42<themill>Maia: #moocows or #debian-offtopic are social channels
19:43<babilen>vee: That was somehow expected as you removed "set -e" and with it the "exit on error" -- You should carefully check what the script has done so far (you do have the set -x output) and compare that to the rest of the script. Ensure that all clean-up actions are taken.
19:43<Maia>daemonkeeper: i need help
19:43<daemonkeeper>So ask
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19:44<Maia>i can't do make that the sound found
19:44<daemonkeeper>You need to be more verbose
19:44<Maia>i had a netbook with Linux 2.6.32-5-686
19:45<Maia>Cruchbang Linux
19:45<Maia>i try to said
19:45<Maia>that the sound not found
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19:45<themill>support for crunchbang is in #crunchbang on
19:46<Maia>o.o sorry
19:47<vee>babilen: i attempted a ctrl+c on that purge; it didnt say much
19:47*vee pastes bins it
19:47<Maia>other cuestion
19:48<Maia>in the config of conky
19:48<Maia>the battery_time dont print nothing
19:49<sney>maia you need to go to the correct support channel for your operating system
19:49<sney>we don't use crunchbang so we can't explain how to use it
19:50<sney>maia: so open your server list again, and scroll down and pick 'freenode' .. then join the channel #crunchbang
19:50<vee>unless it appended to a log file i dunno where to look for other changes
19:50<Maia>ok, but conky is a free, light-weight system monitor for X, that displays any information on your desktop
19:51<sney>Maia: that's awesome but you're still in the wrong place
19:51<babilen>vee: Ok, that looks quite ok. /etc/apache2/mods-available/upload_progress.load gone?
19:51<sney>Maia: as luck would have it, there is a conky channel on freenode too
19:51<Maia>ok. So here
19:51<vee>yes, its' gone, babilen
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19:52<Maia>only cuestion of config of debian ?
19:52<vee>that folder is empty; i did not check it before though
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19:52<babilen>vee: Well, I would think it is OK. Hard to tell now what was the actual error though, which is a pity.
19:52<sney>Maia: yes. config, install, etc. if you're not using debian we can't help.
19:52<vee>i made one giant apt-get for the apache2 bits i wanted but the stock configs couldnt figure out what some basic apache lines meant so went to remove it all
19:53<vee>oh, i can restore a clone of the system and redo some changes and make the error again - pain in the ass but doable
19:53<vee>what is weird is i installed it last night, removed it
19:53<babilen>vee: "stock config couldn't figure it out" ?
19:53<vee>then when i went to install it again it gave me errors
19:53<vee>the configs that it installed with
19:53<vee>for ht-access files
19:54<vee>it errored on all the lines in there; Order Allow,Deny
19:54<vee>Deny from all
19:54<vee>so i decided to trash it all
19:54<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell Maia about based on debian
19:54<babilen>vee: they couldn't figure something out? It don't quite understand that statement :) -- You might also want to consider using punctuation characters instead of the enter key
19:55<babilen>vee: I am quite sure that the standard installation does not ship erroneus configuration files. Did you change them somehow?
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19:57<vee>apache2.conf.dpkg-dist: line 160
19:57<babilen>vee: ah, you had additional .htaccess files that did not work. Well, not something we have to solve now. Ping #d or #httpd (on freenode) if you have problems again.
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19:57<vee>it didnt know what "Order" in "Order allow,deny" meant
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19:57<vee>commenting out, then it errored on "Deny from all"
19:58<vee>and no, i did not change them
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19:59<vee>this is the command line i used for all the apache stuff :P
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19:59<babilen>vee: In the standard configuration files? You installed apache2-whatever and it wouldn't start because the stock configuration contains errors? We really need more detailed information in order to help you to triage this problem.
19:59<babilen>!tell vee -about enter
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20:00<babilen>vee: you even installed requesttracker. Are you sure you need all these packages?
20:01<vee>it is a difficult habbit to break; re: about enter
20:01<vee>i didnt need all the pacakges; i was goofing around
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20:08<sney>that's you
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20:11<Esteban>mkad: I've got a real girl, she loves it too :-)
20:11<Esteban>raid 5 resync finish=416.8min speed=21892K/sec
20:11<Esteban>that's not too bad for circa 2002 hardware i guess
20:12<reklipz>I need to setup an FTP server for a small group of developers, to host content for a forum that doesn't support file uploads/attachments. I don't want to create Linux users for these FTP accounts. Does anyone recommend an ftp server from Debian repos that I could use?
20:12<Esteban>sorry i dont know :-)
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20:13<vee>proftpd is pretty powerful
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20:14<reklipz>I've setup/used vsftpd before, but I don't remember much about it or why I picked it. pure-ftpd is supposed to be really simple and secure
20:14<reklipz>I've never heard of proftpd until I looked at pure-ftpd
20:15<vee>didnt like vsftpd; never tried pure-ftpd. proftpd i never got working with mysql so never finished an elegant setup with it yet (one of the items on the never ending to-do list from 2008)
20:16<reklipz>"FTP accounts can be distinct from system accounts, stored in an independant database. that's what I wanted, looks like I'll go with pureftpd
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20:17<vee>pureftpd i dont remember why i didnt use it - i may have tested out an install years ago - it's a mesh of memories now
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20:21<reklipz>alrighty, thanks for the help
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20:32<vee_>babilen: looks like tab-completeion never included 'purge' for apt-get; looks like i'm all set now. thanks for the help!
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20:32<vee>babilen: looks like 'purge' was never in apt-get tab-completion :)
20:32<vee>looks like i'm back on track, thanks for the help
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20:40<balazs>I need some clarification re iptables and squid. I would like to add scheduling to a WD hard drive which is running debian. I can install software with apt-get. I am unclear if squid or iptables are the right tools for the job.
20:40<balazs>I would like to achieve bandwith scheduling just for the drive.
20:41<daemonkeeper>I think you actually want to control I/O load. See limits, dm-ioband and so on.
20:41<balazs>controlling the bandwidth for all downloading applications (pyload, mldonkey, etc) just by defining the rules once would be desirable.
20:42<balazs>daemonkeeper: that might be just the right thing!
20:43<balazs>thank you! i have worked out a complex schedule with a total ul/dl rate for every hour and every day. I just need to get the drive to stick to it.
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20:45<daemonkeeper>For simple(r) use cases ionice might be suitable.
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20:50<amakusa>can someone remind me of the syntax to have aptitude donwload a package's source????
20:50<rudi_s>amakusa: Use apt-get source packagename
20:51<amakusa>rudi_s: thanks
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21:07<amakusa>rudi_s: I'm getting this error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ - open (2: No such file or directory)I'm not really understanding why
21:07<rudi_s>amakusa: You must add a deb-sec line to your sources.list. man sources.list
21:09<cthuluh>deb-src*, no?
21:09<amakusa>if it's "deb-src", I got that already
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21:10<rudi_s>Sorry, deb-src of course.
21:10<rudi_s>You need to run apt-get update after adding the deb-src line.
21:11<amakusa>already did that and no good
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21:21<amakusa>I think something is wrong with the repos
21:21<rudi_s>amakusa: For the right server/distro?
21:21<amakusa>but It might be just me
21:22<adb>amakusa, just ignore that source , not important ...
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21:24<amakusa>it's time for dinner anyways
21:24<TChief>would anyone help me with my wireless adapter, im very new to linux
21:28<amakusa>TChief: tell us your specific problem directly so that someone who knows how to solve it can help you
21:29<TChief>well i have a AR9285 adapter
21:29<TChief>and it doesnt seem to work
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21:30<TChief>i can get on internet but when i look around i think i need to have ath9k installed
21:30<TChief>how do i do that
21:32<DrSampler>if it is in *.deb package, just download it and install via dpkg -i
21:32<DrSampler>if it is in sources, compile it yourself
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21:33<TChief>ok im very new to linus
21:33<TChief>linux*, can u say it in a more simple way
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21:35<TChief>does this work still if im using BackTrack4 ?
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21:41<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
21:42<dpkg>The Atheros AR9285 PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline ath9k driver since Linux 2.6.29. Ask me about <ath9k>. See also Debian bug #577555.
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21:43<amakusa>I don't know, I only use debian, go to amd maybe you'll find something, but this channel is for debian only
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21:47<babilen>TChief: Or install Debian and get support in here. You want to ask in #backtrack-linux on freenode. You might also be interested in "/msg dpkg ath9k" but I have no idea if that information is relevant for bt4 as well. Ask them and have a nice day!
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21:49<vee>in an 'aptitude search apache' , the non apache2, are those apache 1 items?
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22:22<cire_>hi, I am having trouble connecting to wireless networks with my ralink RT2860 wifi card (from eee 901). With kernel 2.6.37 rt2860sta got removed in favour of rt2800pci, which seems not to work for me. Scanning works, connecting to a network doesn't.
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22:23<cire_>Found people having the same problems whhile googling around, but the main workaround is to blacklist rt2800pci and load rt2860sta. This won't work with 2.6.37 since it is not included anymore
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22:52<steve_>say i email myself a private key for ssh, where do i put it?
22:53<Seppoz>check the sshd config
22:53<steve_>how do i do that?
22:54<Seppoz>see where it wants to have the rsa and dsa key
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22:55<Seppoz>and its not very samrt to email a private key imo
22:55<steve_>ya- i know it's bad practive
22:55<Seppoz>keypars should be generated in a sandbox and never moved
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22:55<Seppoz>thats wha the standard describes
22:55<steve_>yah- i'm learning
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22:57<steve_>i copied the key to /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key and I still get this error:
22:57<steve_>Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic).
22:58<Seppoz>just use ssh-keygen -C -f
22:58<Seppoz>to create they keys
22:59<Seppoz>-t rsa and dsa
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22:59<Seppoz>and you may wanna read about basics first ;P
22:59<steve_>i know- i messed up
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22:59<steve_>the server i set up at work is where i setup the public key/private key pair
23:00<steve_>i emailed myself the private key
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23:00<steve_>and now i'm at home
23:00<Seppoz>just use apr-get instal openssh-server
23:00<Seppoz>and you are done
23:00<steve_>i cant physically go back to the office for a few days,
23:00<steve_>and since the key isn't working, i cant ssh into the server
23:00<Seppoz>you wont need the private key at home
23:00<Seppoz>not the public
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23:01<steve_>steve@kevbox:~$ ssh
23:01<steve_>Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic).
23:02<steve_>i don't understand what to do- i only have the private key
23:02<steve_>how do i "add" the private key?
23:02<Seppoz>the privat key is the last key you will want to havea t home
23:02<steve_>i know dude- but i have to make due
23:02<Seppoz>thee is no point in adding it
23:02<Seppoz>if you add it it wont help ypu anything at all
23:02<steve_>then what do i need to do to ssh into the server?
23:03<Seppoz>tryed as root yet?
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23:04<steve_>i don't have root access
23:04<Seppoz>the error referes to not beeing able to check for the authorized keys
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23:04<Seppoz>you dont have root access locally?
23:04<steve_>oh- i do on my box, yeah
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23:05<steve_>but how would that change anything?
23:05<steve_>how do i "use" my private key?
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23:05<Seppoz>ssh -i key
23:06<Seppoz>but your user and the key must bea uthorized by the server
23:06<steve_>they are
23:07<Seppoz>cd /home/youruserid/.ssh/
23:07<Seppoz>thena add your key there
23:08<Seppoz>by the way you dont have the servers privat key there, just an authorized key pair
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23:09<steve_>with ssh -i, do i use a private key or a public key?
23:09<steve_>how do i use a private key?
23:09<Seppoz>also add your key to the authorized keys
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23:10<astronut>has anyone else had issues with firefox/flash crashing when you switch videos in youtube?
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23:12<Seppoz>steve_ as i said already add the key to the /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa
23:12<steve_>i did
23:13<steve_>i copied it verbatim
23:13<Seppoz>than it should work
23:13<Seppoz>otherwise you messed something up
23:13<Seppoz>anways i dont really have time to play now
23:13<steve_>well, thanks for the help bro
23:13<Seppoz>no worries
23:14<Seppoz>google has a ton of threads with your error
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23:25<astronut>steve_: what's your poblem?
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23:42<naodwalk>Good evening everyone!
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