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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-03-26

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00:10<tiako>Anyone know anything about "Failed to Poke firewall"
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00:11<debiankde>so how many switched to kde4 because of upcoming Gnome3?
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00:47<vook>would burning a netinst image to a dvd work ?
00:47<tiako>Dual mointors do not work?
00:48<vook>tiako: dual monitors do work.
00:49<vook>tiako: what chipset do you have and/or pastebin your xorg.conf
00:49<tiako>Out of the box or do I have to do something for nvida
00:49<vook>not out of the box
00:51<vook>I prefer the nvidia package from - if you install the kernel headers you'll be able to compile a custom module - and there is a gui tool to enable dual monitors
00:51<vook>that isn't the debian way though
00:51<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
00:51<tiako>I have nvidia drivers installed
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00:52<tiako>I was going to use nvidia installer but everyone said not to
00:53<vook>to each their own
00:53<tiako>So it is a pain to get twin view the debian way?
00:54<vook>no - it's as simple as adding (or uncommenting a line) in xorg.conf
00:55<tiako>What do I add?
00:55<tiako>Will that work?
00:56<vook>I'll pastebin my xorg for you
00:56<tiako>alright, thanks
00:58<vook>I don't use twinview, but there is a line in the bottom that shows Twinview "0", for you it should be "1"
00:59<chealer>tiako: to start try just getting the setup you want with nvidia-settings
00:59<tiako>nvida drivers are working fine from what I can tell
00:59<chealer>it might propose modifying xorg.conf
01:00<vook>tiako: listen to chealer
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01:03<chealer>dpkg: no, nvidia is <reply>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . Asking me about <nouveau> (no 3D support), <nvidia m-a>, <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia dkms-173xx> or <nvidia dkms-96xx> might also work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
01:03<dpkg>chealer: okay
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01:03<borg0>!screen blanking
01:03<dpkg>i guess screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
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01:04<borg0>right xset -dpms didnt work but i did execute it as root!!
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01:41<gattytto>what's up!
01:41<gattytto>yet another happy debian user :D
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01:42<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
01:44<tiako>Well I got dual screens working for the most part
01:44<tiako>with Disper
01:45<tiako>Just not sure how to set primary display with it.
01:45<tiako>Seems that it reads my secondary as primary
01:47<tiako>Does switch the cables do anything for that?
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01:52<gfroxel>ive noticed that whenever i upgrade my kernel my computer runs a lot hotter. why does that happen and what can i do to prevent it without using fancontrol to just increase the speed of my fans?
01:53<blood>it must be really hot
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01:55<gfroxel>well, my netbook on 2.6.32 runs at about 60C on 2.6.37 or 2.6.38 its 80+ which is right up near the shutoff threshold
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02:41<pedro>hi from vienna
02:42*pedro goes for a coffee
02:43<vook>pedro: join us in #debian-offtopic if you'd like
02:44<pedro>sorry guys
02:45<pedro>i have a big problem
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02:48<kingsley>Starbucks was closed?
02:48<pedro>good morning sir
02:48<kingsley>Sorry, I couldn't resist.
02:49<pedro>i got dups on PING and don't know why :-(
02:49<kingsley>What does your ping command look like?
02:49<pedro>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=1462 ttl=113 time=157 ms (DUP!)
02:50<pedro>whats wrong with PING (currently on Ubuntu 10.0)
02:51<pedro>or is it just the network ?
02:52<vim>hi.. anyone guide me to hack commands for WAP2
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02:54<kingsley>pedro: Is there a new software, network or a computer?
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02:54<pedro>now, but I dont'know whats in between me and the other host
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02:55<pedro>good morning sirs and madams
02:55<kingsley>pedro: Does "now," mean "No,"?
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02:55<blood>How are you! ;D
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02:56<blood>Im very ecxited!
02:56<pedro>do we know each other ? did you get a new nick ?
02:56<blood>im new
02:57*pedro is new also :-)
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02:57<kingsley>pedro: I found two web pages that may interest you...
02:58<yoshio_>pedro: do a search for "(DUP!)" ping
02:58<pedro>thank you so much
02:59<pedro>thank you so much please do not test the other host, may be a major issue
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02:59<pedro>helle sir
02:59<pedro>hello sir :-)
03:03<blood>please sir, can i have some more?
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03:06<pedro>good morning sir
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03:06<pedro>good morning sir
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03:08<pedro>good morning sir
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03:08<pedro>good morning sir
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03:09<pedro>good morning sir
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03:09<gattytto>good bye sir
03:11<pedro>still get DUPS on this "KAZD" host
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03:14<pedro>good morning sirs
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03:23<pedro>good morning sir
03:25<pedro>still get DUPS on this "KAZD" host
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03:25<pedro>good morning sir
03:28<pedro>silence can be a virtue
03:28<blood>silence is golden
03:28<pedro>silence can be a virtue
03:29<blood>virtue : gold
03:29<pedro>ok :-)
03:30<gattytto>var silence = { virtue: "gold" }
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03:37<pedro>good morning sir
03:37<blood>good eeevening
03:39<pedro>silence can be a virtue
03:41<blood>patience is a virtue
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03:44<pedro>good morning sir
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03:46<pedro>good morning sir
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03:47<pedro>good morning sir
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03:48<pedro>good morning sir
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03:51<pedro>good morning sir
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03:56<pedro>good morning ladies and gentleman
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03:58<pedro>good morning ladies and gentleman
04:00<devil>its a virtue to shut up if you have nothing to say.
04:02<pedro>good morning sir :-)
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04:03<pedro>silence can be a virtue
04:04*pedro goes for a coffee
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04:05<pedro>good morning ladies and gentleman
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04:05<Ganneff>pedro: stop it
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04:07<pedro>good morning ladies and gentleman
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04:14<gavino>ho installato Debian 6 ma e ho anche (purtroppo ma devo) Windows xp, solo che il grub non me lo fa selezionare all'avvio, anzi proprio non compare..
04:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
04:15<gavino>ok grazie 100000000000
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05:40<bakanov>any can help me ? newbye question
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06:11<pedro>hello ladys and gentleman
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07:04<bhavesh>hello any one is there ?
07:04<nadir>just ask
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07:05<tomv>hi, on my squeeze box, when running lvconvert --merge, I get a message that my kernel lacks support and indeed snapshot-merge is not listed when running dmsetup targets.
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07:05<tomv>is there a kernel that has snapshot-merge for squeeze?
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07:12<Fastidius>any qemu users on?
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07:15<Fastidius>virtual machines - like xen/vmware...
07:16<Fastidius>i have one running but im a little vague on what netwe=orking method i have to use for my requirements
07:16<zj970>but i never used it
07:16<SynrG>Fastidius: tell us your requirements, then
07:18<Fastidius>i have a few VMs running for various things i test but now i want a server in VM. forwarding ports via -redir works for my services but i was wondering if i could use tap or vlan so i can get my VM on the local network ip range and have it firewall itself rather than user mode
07:18<NthDegree[Web]>Fastidius, VMWare doesn't need any special setup
07:19<NthDegree[Web]>they use raw sockets to perform bridging via a special process
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07:19<thewanderer1>(other than messing with the kernel seriously)
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07:19<NthDegree[Web]>thewanderer1, it does indeed for the stupid memory management system it implements
07:19<thewanderer1>Fastidius: you should use tap and vlan, and bridge that with your eth device, for both manageability and performance
07:19<NthDegree[Web]>(as in top and free both lie to people who use VMWare)
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07:20<kali>hi @all
07:20<Fastidius>thewanderer1, would you have a recent link to it, everything i have seen seems to explain how it works but not the actual setup with examples
07:21<thewanderer1>Fastidius: the qemu documentation on / manpage is fairly decent, it has examples
07:21<Fastidius>qemus wiki is very slow to access i am finding
07:21<thewanderer1>manpage, then
07:21<SynrG>the man page is great for explaining what the options are but not why you'd use them or step-by-step setting them up
07:22<Fastidius>kk cheers, mind if i question you on anything i don't understand?
07:22<thewanderer1>yes, but it has examples like the wiki
07:22<raylee>i need help on my ubuntu linux 32 bit
07:22<SynrG>ah, so it does, which i somehow missed in my first review of it
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07:23<thewanderer1>go ahead Fastidius
07:23<SynrG>by the way, virtualbox-ose bridging has worked for me and was extremely easy to set up and is not non-free
07:23<thewanderer1>yes, but it has its own issues
07:25<kali>question: i having problems with graphiics effects in squeeze and kde 4.4.5; card intel 915G. I`ve read about upgrading mesa-dri from experimental to version 7.10, but i don`t how. Any help? thx
07:26<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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07:29<ml|>kali: also should never mix stable, with any other debian release
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07:30<kali>ok ;) ; i looking the link where i read that, but i can`t find it
07:31<kali>anyway, the mesa-dri package version is only in the experimental repository, so if want to test it, i have to install it
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07:32<kali>i mean the version i looking
07:32<kali><excuse my english>
07:33<ml|>judd: versions mesa-dri
07:33<judd>Sorry, no package named 'mesa-dri' was found in i386.
07:33<kali>well it`s named other way, one minute
07:34<ml|>judd: versions libgl1-mesa-dri
07:34<judd>Package libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; wheezy: 7.7.1-4; sid: 7.10-4
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07:35<kali>that`s right
07:35<ml|>sid has 7.10; but again should not mix releases
07:35<Fastidius>thewanderer1, ok so would i be right in thinking its not so much a real bridge as vmware etc use it but more like putting the Qemu nic into promiscuos mode and reading packets with 2 mac addresses?
07:36<kali>so what iǜe found anywhere is that the graphics effects in kde 4.4.5 gets fixed with 7.10-4.
07:36<Fastidius>ie level 2 bridge rather than on the ip level
07:36<thewanderer1>Fastidius: VMware uses a hack, while KVM uses a proper Linux bridge, so it's a "real" bridge. and bridges in Linux work in promiscuous mode anyway.
07:36<thewanderer1>(it's Layer 2)
07:36<ml|>kali: you try a ssb /msg dpkg ssb
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07:37<kali>ml|: thx
07:37<ml|>np good luck
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07:39<Fastidius>ok well that makes sense. thewanderer1 so once i have bridged the tun to the eth0 on the host will that be all i need to do to allow it to pick up it's own IP via DHCP or assign it a static IP?
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07:40<thewanderer1>Fastidius: yes
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07:41<Fastidius>thewanderer1, ok wow that is a lot easier than i thought it would be. so no NAT tricks needed on the host?
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07:42<pes502>hi all :D
07:42<thewanderer1>Fastidius: unless you need NAT
07:42<Fastidius>thewanderer1, hmm just a thought but should i rename my eat0 to something then set up the bridge as eth0?
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07:43<thewanderer1>Fastidius: nope, bridge eth0 and the virtual iface under a bridge. you'll lose connectivity on eth0 for a while, too
07:43<Fastidius>thewanderer1, i assume that alot of defaults have eth0 still
07:43<thewanderer1>then you reconfigure whatever has it
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07:45<Fastidius>thewanderer1, cool. nah this is all behind a cisco so all the forwarding/walling is handled just wanted to remove the redirs from qemu line so it was only one layer of forwards
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08:04<kali>hi again: following instructions from "msg ssb" trying to build libgl1-mesa-dri 7.10 from sid source, i`ve got an error building dependencies " libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.23)". installed libdrm-dev-2-4-21. Any idea?
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08:19<SynrG>Black_Prince: happy now? :)
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08:19<Black_Prince>Why do you ask?
08:19<SynrG>oh come on. you can't have failed to notice the appearance, finally, of 6.0.1 live images ...
08:19<Black_Prince>I looked at 6.0.1 contents only ...
08:19<Black_Prince>There's still kexec-tools on it ... So I didn't download it
08:20<SynrG>no, it's fine, really.
08:20<SynrG>the bug was fixed
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08:21<Black_Prince>I'll have to take a look
08:22<Black_Prince>Downloading now ... Bbl
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08:34<hogren>hello world
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08:35<Fastidius>thewanderer1, ok so i have built a qenu ifup script to do my bridge and tried to start my vm using -net tap but i get this error "could not configure /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation"
08:35<thewanderer1>Fastidius: well, modprobe tun? :P
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08:37<Fastidius>thewanderer1, same error after probing.
08:37<thewanderer1>Fastidius: then run qemu as root
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08:43<Fastidius>thewanderer1, ok loading vm so ill see if i have a working bridge however what stops me using it as a user?
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08:44<thewanderer1>Fastidius: permissions on /dev/net/tun, I suppose. you need CAP_NET_ADMIN to make new tun devices AFAIK, and only root has that by default
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08:45<Fastidius>thewanderer1, running as root is ok
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08:49<sto4aluck>Why when I switch to another server it kicks me out of the channel I was chatting!? I use Quassel.
08:50<Fastidius>thewanderer1, is there any particular security issue running qemu as root? bring a VM it's sort of jailed ...
08:50<Fastidius>thewanderer1, being a vm its sort of jaile ya?
08:50<thewanderer1>Fastidius: sure, if someone manages to break out of qemu, you're doomed, which you could have probably figured out by now
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08:51<thewanderer1>the more secure solution is using tunctl to create a tun for your user and prevent qemu from creating an interface on its own
08:52<Fastidius>ahh so -net tap can be used to attach to an existing tun...ill check that out in the manpages
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08:58<aaron>I am looking for correct directive that will display .gz files in apache2, can any one point me to the correct apache module?
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09:01<bittin>Hello there, do there exist any plugins for audacious?
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09:02<paulina>my name is paulina
09:02<paulina>and you
09:02<paulina>OMG IS BIUTIFUL NAME :D
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09:03<paulina>ola hay alguien ke hable españo
09:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:09<oliverl>Hi all. I'm using Debian Squeeze as Dom0 and trying to pass through a pcie device to an Ubuntu Lucid PV DomU but it doesn't work. Pass through to an HVM Ubuntu DomU and a PV Debian DomU is working. How can I get pass through working with the PV Ubuntu DomU?
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09:11<borillion_>can someone explain what "I still all "gEDA" stuff under a "geda" prefix" means in relation to installing geda from source?
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09:13<winsen1>hello everybody
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09:15<winsen1>need helm, my sys said that's not enought space for home parttion, but when go in , there's nothing to clean... can you help me ?
09:16<devil>winsen1: is it a seperate home?
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09:19<scisteffan>can someone help me install thunderbird?
09:19<devil>scisteffan: apt-get install icedove
09:20<MrFrood>scisteffan:'su -c 'aptitude install icedove'
09:20<MrFrood>scisteffan: su -c 'aptitude install icedove'
09:20<bittin>Hello, somone knows how to get audacious 2.3 to scrobble?
09:20<borillion_>devil: whats prefix mean exactly, if I have /opt/someapp would opt be the prefix?
09:21<devil>borillion_: i have no idea what you are on about :)
09:22<MrFrood>bittin: last time I checked there was a plugin on the audacious site but it was buggy
09:22<borillion_>devil: sounds like nobody does LOOL
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09:23<bittin>MrFrood: its not there now :(
09:25<MrFrood>bittin: I did say it was buggy - there is an ausacious group on last-fm, have you asked there what people are using?
09:25<Black_Prince>Damn I forgot to backup my data yesterday when I was reinstalling :(
09:25<ompaul>Black_Prince: so you have the day's before data?
09:25<Black_Prince>I tought I had
09:25<bittin>no, but think i will try the 2.4 from exprimental anyways :p
09:26*ompaul points the Black_Prince in the direction of "the tao of backups" (it may be very old but it explains the thinking)
09:26<Black_Prince>But nothing important ...
09:26<bittin>it seems to have what i need
09:26<Black_Prince>Just xchat, amsn and iceweasel settings and passwords
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09:26<Black_Prince>And some configuration files
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09:30<nutnut>Hello, I just installed Squeeze to a USB flash drive, it runs very slow so I presume I need to setup a swap file, how can I create an encrypted swap file on my hard drive for it to use?
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09:42<SynrG>nutnut: not a valid assumption
09:42<SynrG>if it's slow due to running from a flash drive, the slowness is probably due to the flash drive, not due to lack of swap
09:43<SynrG>if you have no swap, when you run out of memory, things will die
09:43<SynrG>swap doesn't make things go faster. only slower.
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09:44<nutnut>SynrG yes, you are right.. how silly of me... could it options like 'async' mounting the drive etc?
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09:45<nutnut>as in I need to use extra options to mount it as im using it as an operating system
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09:47<SynrG>nutnut: how much ram do you have?
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09:47<SynrG>you might speed things up by moving them to ramdisk
09:47<nutnut>SynrG 4gb
09:47<SynrG>well, definitely use ramdisk for /tmp
09:48<nutnut>how big do I make it
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09:49<SynrG>dunno. gotta go. errands
09:49<nutnut>aight, thanks anyway SynrG
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10:00<Black_Prince>About 16MB for /tmp should be enough if not running antivirus or some server software
10:01<Black_Prince>On my desktop it has never exceeded 1MB ...
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10:02<eightyeight>heh. i use /tmp as a temporary storage dump for scp
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10:02<eightyeight>i constantaly use gigs of space for /tmp
10:03<Black_Prince>I only had more than 16MB of /tmp used when I updated clamav or when I was using apt-move
10:03<eightyeight>currently, i'm using 19MB
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10:04<Black_Prince>Currently I'm using 760 KB ...
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10:06<ompaul>nutnut: to calculate the amount of room for /tmp consider this the more space you use on a session by session basis the more you need to allocate - you might consider doing du -h of your existing /tmp
10:06<ompaul>nutnut: I reboot no a daily basis (mostly) I only use 61M right now - machine on about two hours
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10:07<ompaul>nutnut: if it is a server ... then you have to take into account how long you want your disk based tmp to stay awake
10:07<ompaul>and not be overly busy
10:07<nutnut>ompaul df -h doesn't show /tmp but only tmpfs (2 gig)
10:08<ompaul>nutnut: ls /
10:08<ompaul>and no tmp?
10:08<nutnut>there is a /tmp folder
10:08<ompaul>du -h it
10:09<eightyeight>du -sh /tmp
10:09<nutnut>86 even
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10:09<ompaul>nutnut: sop you want to support that tmpfs structure and maintain it
10:09<ompaul>while the box is awake
10:10<ompaul>nutnut: you do the maths ;-) it is after all your call
10:10<eightyeight>tmpreaper is a good package to have installed, if you use it as a storage dump for scp/wget like i do
10:10<nutnut>I never use /tmp for anything
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10:11<nutnut>has anyone ever ran Debian from a USB stick? I must need to set some options so it doesnt run this dog slow
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10:11<nutnut>installing a single package takes forever
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10:14<borillion>excellent, working now :P
10:15<ompaul>nutnut: the write to speed of a USB stick is "VERY SLOW" when compared with a hard disk - so you are kind of limited by physics you really need some real disk to have for /var/ and /home
10:16<nutnut>ompaul I've used various distros based around Debian (Backtrack for example) and its never this slow... I'm sure its a configuration issue
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10:17<eightyeight>nutnut: what sort of read/write speeds are you getting from the usb stick?
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10:19<ompaul>nutnut: this is given to you as something to read, I don't for a second suggest you use it,
10:19<ompaul>nutnut: I suggest you go and get research on various disks
10:21<nutnut>eightyeight hdparm -t /dev/sdb 70mb in 3.05 seconds 22.94 MB sec
10:21<Black_Prince>nutnut how did you format usb stick?
10:23<nutnut>Black_Prince ext2 via the installer
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10:23<ompaul>nutnut: zero journaling
10:24<nutnut>ompaul less writes to the flash drive?
10:24<abcd82>ompaul: according to link, "... dd count=100 bs=1M if=/dev/urandom of=/media/disk/test ...", isn't better to test with /dev/null, urandom is much slower
10:24<abcd82>^^ /dev/zerro
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10:25<eightyeight>so long as you write more data than what the disk cache supports
10:25<Black_Prince>*sigh* ... /dev/random is slower ...
10:25<eightyeight>otherwise, you'll get a skewed result
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10:26<Black_Prince>Damn, my download drives me crazy ... One hour ago it was '2:30 remaining' ... Now it's '2:45 remaining'
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10:27<Fastidius>thewanderer1, hey bud, thanks for all your help. I think i have it all running happily now
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10:29<Fastidius>thewanderer1, i just wanted to confirm something in case i was about to chase my tail. running qemu under sudo is the same security issue as root ya?
10:29<Fastidius>a few pages are saying adding qemu users to sudoers is a quick fix but it sounds like the same issue
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10:37<felipe>hi. I can't adjust the brightness on my dell 14R 810 notebook, none of the similar problems i googled was in the same notebook. And the suggested solutions didn't work: there's no directory /proc/acpi/video (even if a run "modprobe video" before). Also, i can change the value of /sys/devices/platform/dell-laptop/backlight/dell_backlight/brightness, but that doesn't really change the brightness. My intel drivers are installed and working. Any suggestions?
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11:04<eightyeight>Liyan_oz: huh?
11:05<Liyan_oz>why ?
11:05<eightyeight>why what?
11:05<Liyan_oz>huh /.???
11:05<Liyan_oz>what you mean ?
11:05<eightyeight>Liyan_oz: what is your link all about?
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11:06<eightyeight>08:58 < Liyan_oz>
11:06<Liyan_oz>its scanner
11:06<eightyeight>ah, so spam. got it
11:07<Liyan_oz>what ?
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11:07<sney>!ops Liyan_oz spam/hack link
11:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: Liyan_oz spam/hack link
11:07-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Liyan_oz@222.124.156.*] by Ganneff
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11:11<winsen1><devil>sorry, i'm having something important
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11:12<winsen1>what do mean by separate home?
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11:12<winsen1><devil>oh, yes sorry, i confused yes it is separate home
11:13-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*Liyan_oz@222.124.156.*] by Ganneff
11:13<ompaul>winsen1: how big is it?
11:13<winsen1>hello ompaul
11:14<ompaul>winsen1: can you paste df -h into please
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11:14<winsen1>here it is
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11:15<ompaul>winsen1: you have exactly 249M free in that partition
11:15<ompaul>winsen1: /home
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11:18<winsen1>ompaul>yes i know, for now i want clean some files and increase ma partition home
11:18<winsen1>have you seen /boot?
11:19<sney>/boot doesn't need to be very big
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11:19<ompaul>winsen1: if /home is full you choose some data to drop from there
11:19<sney>what's that /media/DOCS you have? if it's your documents, why not symlink it under /home/winsen/documents ?
11:20<sney>or even mount it there
11:20<ompaul>winsen1: /dev/sda8 11G 9,5G 249M 98% /home that seems a bit not adding up
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11:20<ompaul>available used and free ...
11:21<sney>df -h rounds the numbers to be human-readable, the output of actual df (or df -m) would probably add up more accurately
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11:21<sney>either that or he's used up all his inodes
11:21<ompaul>sney: look at the gaps ... they are huge :)
11:21<winsen1>i can not do it cause i've not another space ,
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11:21<ompaul>winsen1: so what you do is this
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11:22<ompaul>move contents of /media/UNIX into /media/Disk
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11:22<ompaul>as root move home to OldHome
11:23<ompaul>give yourself /dev/sda3 as the new /home/
11:23<ompaul>copy the basics back from OldHome into your new /home/
11:24<winsen1>tell me where can i find all big files in graphical home partition,? because i am trying but i didn't founf anything...
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11:25<ompaul>because you split your disk up like that you could move contents of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda8 in sda3 and 1 and work out yourself how you join those two new ones up
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11:27<ompaul>winsen1: du /home/username/ | sort > somefile will help you some ... you just have to work out what you personally can move
11:27<ompaul>winsen1: as somefile will then contain a list of all the sub directories inside your home directory
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11:32<winsen1>ok, but itried that, not found any big files in in /dev/sda8
11:34<ompaul>winsen1: that sort should have been sort -n
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11:35<winsen1>how can i see size foulders one by one in /home? may be with this way i can find where are the big files
11:35<ompaul>du /home/username | sort -n | more
11:35<ompaul>or less
11:35<ompaul>du /home/username | sort -n | less
11:36<winsen1>no this is commande line, i mean in graphical
11:36<ompaul>winsen1: don't do graphical
11:36<ompaul>winsen1: why? it takes more time and effort
11:37<ompaul>winsen1: du /home/username | sort -n | less will tell you in seconds where the problem lies (mostly)
11:37<winsen1>ok what more and less means in this command?
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11:38<ompaul>winsen1: less is a pager - that is, it splits the output into mutiple blocks
11:38<ompaul>you press space to continue
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11:39<winsen1>in root?
11:39<winsen1>i do that with root?
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11:39<ompaul>winsen1: you don't have to
11:40<ompaul>winsen1: depending on who owns (in the linux file ownership ssense the /media/ partitions you may have to
11:41<winsen1>du /home/username | sort -n | more said can not found and impossible to go in
11:42<ompaul>winsen1: are you taking the piss?
11:42<ompaul>username is your username
11:42<winsen1>sorry!! haha
11:42<winsen1>i am laughing on me!!
11:43<winsen1>ompaul, sory
11:43<ompaul>winsen1: not a problem
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11:44<winsen1>sould i press more...
11:45<ompaul>yes the end of this run will show you where the biggest data amounts are
11:45<ompaul>winsen1: you then choose
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11:45<ompaul>winsen1: why did you partition that machine as it was done? do you have another machine on the network?
11:45<deux>hi people, when i try uninstalling software from "software center" or synaptic it says that "gnome" has to go as well
11:46<deux>is there a way to remove packages without removing gnome?
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11:46<dpkg>i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
11:47<winsen1>ompaul>i didn't understand what you mean, i had 2 sys in winxp and debian
11:47<deux>didn't really understand that answer - in ubuntu i can remove the games without getting that msg
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11:48<ompaul>deux: it is saying telling you gnome but not all the components of gnome am I right?
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11:48<deux>and gnome-desktop-environmeny
11:48<ompaul>winsen1: ok
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11:48<ompaul>and that is it?
11:48<deux>those two only
11:49<ompaul>so they are metapackages if you install them they install that game yhou are removing
11:49<deux>no, i want to remove the package, let's say ekiga
11:49<deux>when i try to remove it - it says i'll have to remove those two packages as well
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11:49<deux>gnome and gnome-desktop-environment
11:50<ompaul>deux: it will ask you to remove itself and it will say the metapackages as it is part of the metapackage --- so it is part of gnome but it is not all gnome
11:50<deux>so removing it will not remove gnome itself?
11:50<ompaul>deux: so it leaves the rest of gnome there - concept of metapackage
11:51<deux>ohhh, thanks for clearing that up
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11:51<ompaul>deux: if you install ekiga later it will not install gnome and g-e but if you install them they will install ekiga
11:51<ompaul>deux: worldly practical version of sets and subsets
11:52<deux>ok, my second question is this - software center wont remove packages after i click remove
11:52<deux>is that a bug?
11:52<SynrG>Black_Prince: i am sad :(
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11:54<ompaul>deux: you would have to give a full example of I wanted to remove X with screen shots and then after what happened etc and so you we could work out with you what happened and say yes or no, it looks like it may be but I doubt it or we would have a lot of people complaining here and I have not noticed such behaviour
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11:54<SynrG>Black_Prince: see #debian-live :p
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11:55<deux>fair enough - i just installed a new debian squeeze, open software center -> go to installed software tab -> click remove next to aisleriot solitaire
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11:56<deux>the button is goes gray for a couple of seconds and returns to normal without doing anything
11:56<winsen1>ompaul>can you explain me please? when i see for lines like this one , "15484 /home/bm/packages" the number 15484 is the size file with Mo, is it?
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11:57<ompaul>winsen1: do this to get a view of the size du -h /home/bm/packages
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11:58<ompaul>deux: I tend to run kde so I don't have such a software centre that I know of as I use the command line but if you give me a couple of mins I'll poke a vm and maybe have an answer for ya
12:00<winsen1>ok thank you, but i 've to do it for almost files, no it's crazy!!!
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12:03<ompaul>winsen1: I told you to move the whole home you asked me how to find specific things - you want to do it the hard way the bigger numbers show the biggest directories
12:03<ompaul>winsen1: move /home/ into one of the bigger locations and start again
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12:04<ompaul>winsen1: that exercise has to be done by root
12:04<ompaul>Ch4p4rr0: and a happy Saturday to you too ;-)
12:04<ompaul>now go and change it
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12:05<abcd82>winsen: if you interested only in big files, you can "search ~/ -size +500M", this will list all files bigger than 500MB, "+" for more than, "-" for less then
12:05<ompaul>winsen1: I'll type up a paragraph for you on a pastebin
12:05<winsen1>you mean i've to move all home files in dev/sda3 for example?
12:06<ompaul>winsen1: that was my intention you then you have to recreate your home
12:06<ompaul>winsen1: do you have another machine with a lot of space on it?
12:06<winsen1>recreate my home??? is it easier?
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12:07<winsen1>unfortunly no?
12:07<ompaul>winsen1: not knowing what you have on your machine I can't tell you
12:07<ompaul>winsen1: the thing is this - you can use abcd82's good suggestion but I don't know if you have lots of small files or lots of big files
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12:08<ompaul>winsen1: you have not told us
12:08<ompaul>winsen1: for instance is most of that material music or films?
12:08<winsen1>tald you ??
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12:09<Snerg>anyone familiar with backtrack linux?
12:09<ompaul>winsen1: all I know is you have a lot of files which are taking up 9.5G of space
12:09<ompaul>Snerg: the people in #backtrack on freenode are I believe
12:09<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
12:11<ompaul>winsen1: you have to make decisions - I offer you choices - if you don't know how to evaluate them you have not said how much home space you need or what kind of files are in there that could be moved into /media/DATA or whatever
12:11<deux>i need help mounting an NTFS
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12:11<winsen1>ompal>the only thing i had here is iso file for my Vbox testing, but i moved all files in sda3
12:11<deux>can some one give me the debian website that allows me to copy-paste things?
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12:12<ompaul>winsen1: moved or copied?
12:12<deux>so i can show them here
12:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
12:12<ompaul>winsen1: so then is the vbox still there?
12:13<winsen1>yes it's
12:13<winsen1>may be it will better to move it also
12:13<ompaul>winsen1: tell you what do this exactly like this and then paste the last 10 lines into
12:13<deux>and it worked fine when i tried debian live
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12:14<ompaul>winsen1: I would think so du -h /home/bm | sort -nh
12:15<winsen1>ompaul>are you asking for result of "du /home/username | sort -n | more"?
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12:15<ompaul>winsen1: sorry no I made a typo I want du -h /home/bm | sort -h
12:16<cahoot>deux: what command did you use?
12:16<deux>in mounting the HD?
12:16<deux>i didn't, it should (as it did come up automatically) in live
12:16<deux>just plug it in
12:17<winsen1>it says that (-hn) is incompatible
12:17<ompaul>winsen1: see the next line I wrote
12:18<cahoot>deux: so it's an external hd? what filesystem?
12:18<winsen1>what's sort -h?
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12:18<deux>it's an NTFS
12:18<deux>and yes, USB
12:19<winsen1>yes i am and now?
12:19<ompaul>winsen1: h is sort by human readable
12:19<cahoot>deux: have you tried mounting it explicitly (by hand)?
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12:20<deux>i went to the icon (as it shows in "my computer") and right clicked - mount
12:20<deux>but it gives the same result
12:20<ompaul>cahoot: I suspect it will need windows to scandisk it
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12:20<cahoot>deux: ^
12:21<winsen1>unfortunly it's true, why i can not found them?
12:21<ompaul>winsen1: so you want to do this
12:21<ompaul>winsen1: it is a . file and . is hidden
12:22<winsen1>ompaul>iam sorry , i didn'rt understand what do you mean?
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12:23<ompaul>mv /home/bm/.VirtualBox /media/UNIX/
12:23<ompaul>winsen1: ^^
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12:23<deux>are you still there?
12:24<ompaul>winsen1: you realise that the .VirtualBox config may need some adjusting to understand that stuff is now in /media/UNIX/ ?
12:25<winsen1>is it important to move it in speacial partition , i mean NTFS or in FAT cause unix is in fat
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12:25<ompaul>winsen1: that is suboptimal
12:25<pes502>hi all
12:25<ompaul>winsen1: is /media/disk windows?
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12:25<pes502>can you help me? i want install Debian from USB stick ... but i dont know how
12:25<ompaul>deux: eh, you should plug it into a windows box and see if it can see it
12:26<deux>i can
12:26<deux>it works fine on windows, ubuntu and debian live
12:26<winsen1>i did that to share files win and linux
12:26<deux>only after installation that i can see it but not mount automatically
12:26<abcd82>for me "du -h" is to overwhelming , "du -sh ~/* |sort -h" better, then same command in every interested directory
12:26<ompaul>pes502: plug it in start the box tell the box to boot from usb and then it will have fun
12:27<winsen1>but there's not windows system there
12:27<ompaul>deux: please try this first as debian is having a problem seeing the superblock ... or boot partition it can't work out what it should be looking at
12:27<pes502>ompaul: yes i know, but i dont know, how install package I need
12:27<ompaul>winsen1: ok then - put it there and have fun ... it may be that you need to move your data from that machine
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12:27<deux>what should i try?
12:28<ompaul>deux: it on windows right now
12:28<winsen1>ompaul>my data??
12:28<ompaul>winsen1: do you have a second computer?
12:28<deux>you want me to plug it to windows?
12:28<ompaul>winsen1: ok
12:28<ompaul>deux: well let me see it on windows right now looks like that to me ;-)
12:29<ompaul>deux: so yeah just to check that it can be seen right now
12:29<winsen1>ompaul>you're thinking for what?
12:29<deux>ok, plugged to windows and it works
12:29<deux>everything is fine
12:29<ompaul>deux: use the nice "remove disk from windows"
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12:30<ompaul>deux: I'll not spend much time with you on this my tea is almost ready
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12:30<ompaul>winsen1: I'm thinking you need more disk space :-/
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12:31<ompaul>winsen1: in the mean time you need to get flexable about moving data
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12:31<ompaul>winsen1: you said you had no room in /home/
12:31<ompaul>winsen1: so you need to move things
12:31<pes502>please send me a link with USB stick installation help ... thanks
12:32<winsen1>no room in home?? what is this?
12:32<ompaul>winsen1: I'm off to have my tea [13:15:26] <winsen1> need helm, my sys said that's not enought space for home parttion, but when go in , there's nothing to clean... can you help me
12:32<winsen1>did you mean partition by room?
12:32<ompaul>winsen1: sorry my time is up
12:32<ompaul>winsen1: I mean space
12:33<ompaul>I have to go now :-/
12:33<winsen1>ompaul>no problem, thank you very mutch
12:33<sney>pes502: once the installer is on the usb stick, the install is the same as a cd... you're czech right?
12:34<winsen1>have nice day, may we'll continue later if you want
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12:36<deux>can anyone help me mount my USB HD?
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12:36<sney>deux: mount /dev/foo /mnt/point ?
12:36<sney>deux: what's the problem?
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12:36<deux>well, why isn't it mounting the HD automatically?
12:37<deux>and i'm getting this error
12:37<pes502>sney: yes im from czech republic ... but i want 64bit installer
12:37<sney>the installer behaves the same in both
12:38<sney>but you can change i386 to amd64 in that url if you want
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12:38<pes502>thanks :)
12:38<sney>deux: can you paste your /etc/fstab to please
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12:42<sney>see line 13? mount thinks /dev/sdb1 is your CD drive. remove or comment that line and it should work
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12:44<deux>wow, thanks so much for such a great solution
12:44<deux>now - why did that happen in the first place?
12:44<sney>did you install from a usb stick?
12:44<deux>indeed have
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12:45<deux>that's the problem?
12:45<sney>it's because of that, since the install image is an iso it needs to be mounted as a cd
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12:45<deux>ok great
12:45<sney>it'll probably be fixed in a point release or installer update
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12:46<deux>could you help me with another thing? how can i make sure my graphics card (i have two - intel and ATI radeon mobility HD5000) are working
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12:46<deux>as in - 3d and 2d?
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12:47<sney>as long as you have firmware-linux-nonfree and the libdrm packages installed, both will be supported by X for 2d and 3d
12:47<sney>the rest is up to your configuration
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12:47<deux>how do i know i have firmware-linux-nonfree?
12:47<ompaul>winsen1: I'm back, so it is a simple thing you can cd .VirtualBox and have a look in there and if you have multiple images you can move one or two out
12:47<sney>aptitude show firmware-linux-nonfree
12:47<deux>i am a noob, if it's not obvious by now
12:48<deux>ok, it gave me a bunch of readouts... what does that mean?
12:48<sney>'aptitude show' gives you information on a specific package, at the top should be a line saying whether it's installed
12:48<ompaul>deux: the word noob means exactly nothing, one persons small experience is anothers world expert :) so best to just ask and accept you know some stuff and don't know other stuff but will lean :)
12:49<deux>ok then, point taken
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12:49<ompaul>s/lean/learn/ some day I will learn some spellings ;-)
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12:49<winsen><sney>yes it is
12:50<deux>so, could you help me with that readout?
12:50<sney>deux: 'aptitude show' gives you information on a specific package, at the top should be a line saying whether it's installed
12:51<tiako>Anyone use Disper for dual screens?
12:51<winsen>ompaul>it said files is very big
12:52<deux>it says not installed at the top
12:52<ompaul>winsen: ooch, have you one or many files in that directory?
12:52<sney>deux: ok, so install it. same command, just replace 'show' with 'install'... and do it as root / with sudo
12:52*ompaul never used VirtualBox (always kvm and I don't do windows)
12:53<winsen>ompaul >iwant to see all these files in graphical , it's not normal! i
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12:53<ompaul>so start up nautilus or dolphin depending on gnome or kde if something else ... no idea
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12:54<ompaul>winsen: it is very normal pictures are only a representation of the real world ;-)
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12:54<deux>so if i install firmware-linux-nonfree it will look for my non-free drivers and install them?
12:54<winsen>.virtualbox means what exactly? cause when i am in partition home i can not see this onE
12:54<deux>as in all of them? (video and network?)
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12:55<ompaul>winsen: you can't see it - it is "hidden" that is what the . does
12:55<ompaul>. files usually contain config information
12:55<ompaul>winsen: to find out what is in it do this
12:56<ompaul>winsen: du -h /home/bm/.VirtualBox <<< the capital letters are important (V and B)
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12:56<ompaul>winsen: or do this ls -al /home/bm/.VirtualBox
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12:56<winsen><ompaul> dot before vbox means what exactly ()
12:57<winsen>ok, i am trying
12:57<ompaul>winsen: the . makes the folder hidden from the usual tools for looking at listing directories and their contents
12:58<ompaul>winsen: do this ls -l | less in /home/bm and then do ls -al again in /home/bm
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12:59<sney>deux: it adds firmware to your system so the drivers you already have (e.g. radeon) will work fully.
12:59<winsen>ls -l | less in /home/bm doesn't work
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13:00<abcd82>winsen: to see hidden files/folders in gnome nautilus, xfce thunar press ctrl+h, probably same for kde
13:00<deux>well, i think everything is in order
13:00<deux>thanks so much for your help
13:00<deux>have a great day
13:00<winsen>xfce thunar??
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13:01<ompaul>winsen: you typed "in /home/bm" yes? you should only type ls -l or ls -al
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13:01<ompaul>winsen: after that you can add in | less
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13:05<winsen>may be we can see the problem now
13:05<ompaul>winsen: it is design not a problem :)
13:07<winsen>Take look
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13:08<winsen>ompaul> iam agree with you
13:08<ompaul>winsen: ... 8641472 17 févr. 03:33 Firefox Setup 3.6.13.exe
13:08<ompaul>that is no use on Linux
13:09<ompaul>yes but not that ...
13:09<winsen>yes it's true
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13:10<winsen>are you looking the number before dates , is it size files?
13:10<ompaul>cd .VirtualBox and to a ls -al
13:10<Guest85>hi, has anyone got gnash working for youtube?
13:10<sney>Guest85: I got it "working" at one point, but it was horribly slow
13:11<winsen>ompaul>is it for me?
13:11<ompaul>winsen: yes
13:12<sney>Guest85: at this point, the best options for youtube are html5 ( and the adobe thing
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13:12<winsen>ompaul>and ?
13:13<ompaul>winsen: and ls -al .VirtualBox check the size of the files in .VirtualBox
13:13<winsen>ompaul>but i can not see the size
13:13<sney>try with ls -alh
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13:14<ompaul>winsen: ^^ so do this please just type it once for me ... ls -alh .VirtualBox
13:14<winsen>ompaul>i asked you before "are you looking the number before dates , is it size files?" you didn't give answer
13:15<winsen>and now i've same answer
13:15<abcd82>winsen: common dude, i don't get you, you don't have enough free space in home, start deleting/moving files or repartition drive to fit you needs, don't know how to handle such things in terminal, want to see hidden files in graphical environment, hint how to accomplish this is in my previous post
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13:15<ompaul>winsen: it can be but I need to see them to know in some cases it is and in others is it not like if there is a directory
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13:17<winsen>ompaul>please don't be angry
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13:19<ompaul>winsen: now we are getting somewhere there is a directory in there called HardDisks "drwxr-xr-x 2 am am 4096 19 mars 01:53 HardDisks" we see the d at the beginning and we know it is directory -- you have to remember I don't know VirtualBox ;-)
13:19<ompaul>winsen: and ls -al .VirtualBox/HardDisks
13:19<ompaul>winsen: now we can check them too
13:19<ompaul>and maybe that gives us final data or maybe not
13:20<giff>winsen, haven't followed the conversation but it looks like you a trying to figure out what's eating your hdd space or something like that, no offence but maybe a graphical tool is better suited for you? try baobab
13:20<ompaul>winsen: maybe the information may be in Machines
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13:25<winsen>in cases i thank you
13:26<ompaul>winsen: have you seen the problem yet?
13:27<Guest85>sney: thx
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13:30<pes502>hi all
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13:31<pes502>i try install Debian from USB stick to my external HDD and i have got this problem =
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13:32<pes502>attempt to filesystem ext3 from SCSI7 (0,0,0) ...... failed :(
13:32<pes502>console 1 =
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13:33<pes502>console 2 =
13:33<pes502>whats wrong? :((
13:33<tiako>I dunno I am but a newb.
13:33<pes502>tiako: me too :D
13:33<winsen>ompaul>i lookin for , but i don't
13:34<tiako>Any reason you have to use a usb stick?
13:34<tiako>Prob just easier to burn a netinstall
13:34<sney>tiako: it's the same
13:34<pes502>tiako: i have got the same problem whe i try install DEbian from CD
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13:34<sney>pes502: what does that say?
13:34<pes502>sney: what?
13:34<winsen>i've seen with sizes with ths command "du -h /home/bm | sort -h"
13:35<tiako>Sney, I have had bad luck doing any sort of booting from usbs with older computers.
13:35<sney>tiako: ok, but if his installer got to that point then it's fine
13:35<ompaul>winsen: and then you dig into /home/bm/.VirtualBox and so on
13:35<sney>pes502: maybe a problem with your hd
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13:36<sney>pes502: in fact, it's trying to format and failing right away, I think it is a problem with your hd
13:37<pes502>sney: It may be true
13:37<pes502>sney: but i dont know why :(
13:37<tiako>I thought bad ram could cause install problems?
13:37<sney>you said it's external, maybe it fell off the table? or maybe it's just bad
13:37<sney>tiako: it *can* but format failures are pretty clear
13:38<pes502>sney: never fel
13:38<winsen>ompaul>i didn't undersatnd why it cound not move "mv /home/bm/.VirtualBox /media/UNIX/" however .VirtualBox has got only 8Go , and there's more 28 Go free in "unix" partition
13:38<sney>pes502: sometimes it's just bad, I needed a new hd recently because mine just died. it happens.
13:38<pes502>sney: i use this HDD in windows 7 - i give some data (like movies, music) to this HDD
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13:38<pes502>sney: and no problem :(
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13:39<sney>pes502: it's probably not dead yet, but almost. I recommend using the hard drive test software from the company that made it
13:39<tiako>Can't he use diagnostic tools to see if the HDD is bad and zero the drive out?
13:40<sney>^ ubcd has the test tools, you can also download it from the HD company and run it from windows, since it's not your system drive
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13:40<winsen>ompaul>are you there?
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13:41<pes502>sney: now i dont see my external HDD in WIN 7
13:41<pes502>tiako: so i cant use CHKDSK ... i see it only in BIOS
13:41<pes502>tiako: or in Linux installer
13:41<sney>pes502: what brand of hd is it? like seagate, western digital, etc?
13:42<pes502>sney: Segate Barracuda
13:42<sney>go to and download their diagnostic software, run it, test the drive
13:42<tiako>If you are in windows check the disk managment
13:43<tiako>See if it shows up there.
13:43<pes502>tiako: i cant ... i dont see my HDD :(
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13:43<pes502>tiako: now
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13:44<abcd82>pes502: before installing linux to that usb disk it was empty?
13:44<pes502>abcd82: yes
13:44<pes502>abcd82: i was delete all data in HDD
13:44<abcd82>pes502: well at least thats good news
13:45<pes502>abcd82: :)
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13:45<pes502>now i downloading DiscWizard from
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13:47<sney>pes502: er, isn't it SeaTools?
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13:48<pes502>yes, thanks :D
13:48<pes502>my mistake
13:49<pes502>installing SeaTools ...
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13:51<tiako>Anyone use wine with steam?
13:51<sney>lots of people do
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13:51<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:52<tiako>Sney, I keep getting "Failed to poke open firewall" trying to install steam
13:52<pes502>i cant check disk .... TEST UNAVAIBLE :(
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13:53<sney>pes502: :( well you'll have to read the manual for seatools, since we can't support it here, maybe seagate has a forum or faq
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13:54<tiako>pes502 if you boot with partion magic it will tell you if you have bad sectors and if there are any SMART warnings.
13:55<tiako>ops not partion magic..
13:55<tiako>Whats the name of it let me check
13:55<pes502>now im scanning ..
13:55<pes502>step - "Random read"
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13:56<pes502>Short Generic test - Pass
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13:57<sney>you don't have to tell us the whole thing, just let it run the full test and see if it passes
13:58<tiako>Ah Parted Magic was the name of it..
13:58<tiako>I have used that to fix my harddrives where a distro would not install before.
13:59<tiako>And I have done some stupid stuff with my harddrive such as starting a secure wipe then restarting the computer lol
13:59<pes502>i cant do any test
13:59<pes502>all test are UNAVAIBLE for this device :(
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13:59<pes502>i can only detect it
13:59<pes502>but no work with it
14:00<ompaul>winsen: you can try and lift with a graphical tool - however i think the problem is something to do with trying to start the directory name with a . so maybe make a directory called VirtualBox and here is the command line to move it
14:01<ompaul>mkdir /media/UNIX/VirtualBox
14:01<ompaul>mv .VirtualBox/* /media/UNIX/VirtualBox/.
14:01<ompaul>winsen: ^^ there you go
14:02<sney>pes502: and you're sure it's a seagate drive? :( sounds broken
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14:03<flaccid>i have a question about runlevels. what are the default run levels for lsb? i guess i want to do update-rc.d myservice defaults and ensure the lsb info in the init script matches the defaults to avoid warnings
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14:05<Black_Prince>Is mkisofs and genisoimage exactly the same?
14:05<winsen>ompaul>it says you can not remore this foulder
14:05<winsen>sory ...remove this foulder
14:06<ompaul>winsen: back in 1 min
14:06<cahoot>Black_Prince: serve the same purpose
14:06<giff>winsen, that /media/UNIX is FAT, you can't write files larget than 4GB to FAT, you could split the files though
14:06<Black_Prince>There's a command that uses mkisofs ... It has lots of arguments, so I tought could it be used with genisoimage
14:06<winsen><giff>yes it is
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14:07<pes502>sney: yes :D i was read from label on the disk :D
14:07<pes502>now i reformated it ...
14:07<winsen><giff>ok that's why i could not move it
14:08<ompaul>so the question is are Vbox files "sparse"
14:09<winsen><giff>so, what do you think, and it is not possible to move it? this is funny
14:09<sney>pes502: windows format worked? hmm.... maybe for the linux installer, try a different filesystem (jfs?)
14:10<ompaul>winsen: you didn't give yourself enough room - got a big USB key?
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14:10<giff>winsen you need to split the files, vbox has that functionality built in; alternatively you could convert the partitions to NTFS (windows can do that losslessly)
14:11<winsen>when i did image of my system and put it in fat partition it has accepted, so why now it doesn't ?
14:11<winsen>what do you mean by split file?
14:11<pes502>sney: not working
14:12<pes502>sney: i format it with this tool =
14:12<winsen>ok i have another partition , i can try it now
14:12<giff>winsen, because it's larger than 4GB now. about splitting see:
14:13<sney>pes502: that tool doesn't format, it only makes/fixes partitions
14:14<pes502>sney: all partitions have been deleted :D
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14:14<pes502>i dont know, how can i format this HDD :( in windows i dont see it so i cant format it in windows
14:15<sney>pes502: boot the debian installer again and use that to format it
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14:16<pes502>why just me I always have everything so complicated
14:17<tiako>lol its not just you
14:17<tiako>I had to do the same thing a few times
14:17<giff>pes502, in windows you need to go to disk management (STARTmenu>computer>contextmenu>"manage")
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14:18<pes502>giff: yes and what here?
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14:18<flaccid>how to do update-rc.d for Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 and Default-Stop: <none>/disabled ?
14:19<flaccid>maybe just like update-rc.d getsshkey start 70 2 3 4 5 . ?
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14:19<pes502>i going to format HDD during the Linux installer
14:19<pes502>be right back
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14:20<sney>giff: he could do that, but he's putting debian on it. what would the purpose of using ntfs be?
14:21<giff>sney, no idea didn't read everything ;)
14:21<giff>pes502, there a window should pop up asking you to initialise the disk, then you can format it
14:22<winsen><giff>ok thank you , you think that it will work with ntfs partition, do you?
14:22<s_i_m>he has left
14:22<winsen><s_i_m>ok, thank you
14:22<giff>if ntfs-3g is installed there shouldn't be a problem; to convert see
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14:23<sney>giff he's not here, also windows support is offtopic in #debian so please refrain
14:24<s_i_m>winsen, are you <pes502>? =)
14:24<giff>sney, oops, yes sorry
14:25<winsen> <s_i_m> who is <pes502>? =) ? don't know
14:25<s_i_m>well, nvm.
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14:30<gindek>only one question
14:30<gindek>alsa vs oss wich is better for xonar :D
14:30<gindek>one shoot :D
14:31<gindek>I have xonar dx
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14:34<giff>!better >gindek
14:34<giff>!better | gindek
14:34<giff>lol fail
14:34<giff>!tell gindek about better
14:34<dpkg>i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
14:37<gindek>"better" for me is that device ( or driver ) where sound quality is better ;]
14:39<SynrG>giff: itym !tell soandso about thusandsuch
14:39<cahoot> gindek
14:40<SynrG>oh, i see you said that
14:40<SynrG>that does work :)
14:40<NthDegree[Web]>gindek, neither are better
14:40<NthDegree[Web]>gindek, both ALSA and OSS deliver equal quality on supported devices
14:41<NthDegree[Web]>some morons like to say "well sound is distorted when I turn volume up all the way on ALSA, but not on OSS!"
14:41<MrFrood>no they don't
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14:42<giff>gindek, I'd personally lean more towards OSS see
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14:42<NthDegree[Web]>MrFrood, if you can give an example where manually specifying settings for amplitude doesn't make equal or better quality.. i'd be willing to believe that
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14:43<MrFrood>I've found that which works best is very much dependent on hardware - on the 10 year old PC I'm using right now OSS4 dellivers a far tighter sterio focus and much greater depth than ALSA
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14:45<MrFrood>I've also found using jack tightens up the focus (with both alsa & oss)
14:45<NthDegree[Web]>if JACK has an effect, then ALSA plugins could be used to achieve the effect you desire there
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14:46<MrFrood>the big problem with ALSA is the latency
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14:48<NthDegree[Web]>in up to date kernels high-resolution timers and real-time support deal with that
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14:49<MrFrood>but I've had some good results with alsa on newer hardware - can't say the same about pluse though
14:49<NthDegree[Web]>theoretically ALSA will always be at a disadvantage to OSS when it comes to latency
14:49<MrFrood>pulse just seems to make things all mushy :(
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14:50<pes502>mi here
14:50<NthDegree[Web]>I can't really say much about pulseaudio, I don't get how it's supposed to reduce latency
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14:50<NthDegree[Web]>all I know is it seems to mess up on basic desktop use still for a few apps (e.g. 32-bit apps on a 64-bit system)
14:51<MrFrood>but I am a big fan of JACK :)
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14:53<NthDegree[Web]>at the moment i'm not using it, but I have to set up a system soon for multi-track mixing
14:54<MrFrood>take a look at jack then is great for linking the differnt apps togetter
14:55<flaccid>how can i get netinst img for usb disk so i can install on a netbook?
14:55<NthDegree[Web]>I will have to, my brother hates his Windows system he has at the moment ("apparently things aren't quite in time" and "don't sound the same once on CD")
14:56<flaccid>ah just
14:56<MrFrood>patchage is good for visulising your jack sytem when you instaall jack
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14:58<NthDegree[Web]>hmmm interesting
14:59<mehdi_>how can i play .dat(video) files?
14:59<giff>mehdi_, try vlc...
14:59<Black_Prince>mehdi_ or try mplayer
14:59<babilen>mehdi_: .dat is not really indicative of a specific format, but try those ^^^^ :)
15:00<mehdi_>i tried but it just doesnt load and gives no error
15:00<giff>mehdi_, it could be a "false positive", what does file *.dat say?
15:00<pes502>babilen: hi
15:00<babilen>pes502: hei, progress?
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15:01<pes502>babilen: maybe problem with my disk - no installation :/
15:01<MrFrood>NthDegree[Web]: the 'Jack Audio Control Kit' is a bit more cromprehensive than patchage but I find patchage is more intuitive
15:01<pes502>today i try install Debian from USB stick and i have got the same problem
15:01<babilen>pes502: You don't want to shrink the internal Win7 partition on and install Debian there?
15:02<babilen>pes502: Yeah, I've read the discussion above. No idea what's wrong with that HDD
15:02<pes502>babilen: I thought about it
15:02<pes502>babilen: but i want my "second work station" on external device :) i can connect it to any other PC
15:03<babilen>pes502: Yeah, I can understand that. I just find it really frustrating that you (with no linux knowledge) run into all these problems. :)
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15:04<jhutchins_lt>pes502: Which procdure from the Install Guide are you following?
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15:04<pes502>jhutchins_lt: i dont understand ur question :)
15:04<pes502>babilen: :)
15:05<jhutchins_lt>pes502: So you're not following the install guide at all?
15:05<jhutchins_lt>!tell pes502 about ig
15:05<mehdi_>@<giff> VLC could not read the file.
15:05<pes502>jhutchins_lt: i read it
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15:05<pes502>jhutchins_lt: but i have got problem in installation
15:05<pes502>jhutchins_lt: with disk format :(
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15:13<MrFrood>pes502: what ilesystem are you trying to use?
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15:14<babilen>ext3 iirc -- just the default with "Guided Partitioning - Use entire disk"
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15:19<babilen>pes502: We've just been discussing this. We think that your harddisk is broken or will fail soon. It would be great if you could *try* another one.
15:19<ompaul>pes502: it appears that the external drive has a lot a problems, it does look like it may be faulty. With this in mind I strongly advise doing a dual boot install.
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15:20<babilen>pes502: Installing Debian on your internal disk alongside Windows is one way to deal with this.
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15:20<pes502>i have got another external HDD
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15:20<pes502>i can try install to it
15:21<babilen>pes502: The results would be interesting, please try that. Sorry for the inconvenience. :)
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15:22<ompaul>pes502: my advice would be try it once, but if it fails would it make more sense to dual boot, and get a "we know this type of thing works" and you could learn a little about Debian and then move on to doing things to the external :)
15:22<mehdi_>how can i run .bin and .cue file without burning it on cd?
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15:22<tiako>Damn pes502 are you still having install problems?
15:23<flaccid>mehdi_: i think you can mount a .bin like a .img or .iso in loopback; but if its audio well i guess you would need some other program
15:23<mehdi_>no its a game
15:23<mehdi_>can archive mounter mount it?
15:24<abcd82>pes502: what laptop are you using? model
15:24<babilen>tiako: yes, unfortunately :-\
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15:29<pedro>hello from Vienna
15:29<dim1>hello, is there a way to install linux-image 2.6.38 in wheezy ? cannot find it in apt-cache search ....
15:30<babilen>dim1: Not yet, it hasn't migrated from sid yet
15:30<babilen>dim1: You could just pull it from there though.
15:30<babilen>pedro: hallo!
15:30<pedro>hello again
15:30<dim1>babilen: just copying the deb ? or somehow through apt source ... ?
15:30<pedro>give me a ping
15:31<pedro>thank you (ping not verified)
15:31<babilen>dim1: whatever you prefer. you'll need linux-image-yadda-yadda and linux-base. Either set the default release/pin and add sid or just download the packages manually.
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15:32<dim1>babilen: i'll try the manual method
15:32<babilen>dim1: have fun
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15:32<pedro>please help can anybody explain to me what KAZD means
15:32<babilen>pedro: context?
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15:33<pedro>train systems in Austria (ÖBB) - Elements of System
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15:33<pedro>please help can anybody explain to me what KAZD means
15:33<babilen>pedro: Please, this is not a social chat channel, but one meant for technical support of Debian users. Please take it to #moocows
15:34<babilen>petemc: argh, sorry. That would have been nice :-\
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15:34<pedro>sorry It is possibly required for software development of next debian release
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15:35<babilen>how so?
15:36<ompaul>pedro: "required"?
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15:41<tiako>Damn I got an old version of WINE
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15:46<mehdi_>how can i mount stuff with fuse?
15:47<dpkg>FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see . ##fuse on
15:47<pedro>may I give you a starter:
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15:47<pedro>hello sirs
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15:47<pedro>and madams
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15:50<pedro>hello ladies and gentlemans
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15:50<pedro>hello ladies and gentlemans
15:50<Ionn>HI, How do i create a Mysql Database on Debian OS?
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15:51<babilen>Ionn: Install it! Why not PostgreSQL?
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15:51<pedro>hello ladies and gentlemans
15:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:52*pedro goes for a coffee
15:52<devil>take your time :)
15:52<babilen>pedro: Please see yourself to the door. Keep quiet if you don't have anything meaningful to say.
15:53<Ionn>I can do PostgreSQL, I want to set up SAM-Broadcaster, and need to set either a mysql or postgreSQL up, I was trying to get it to work on a Web server DB i had create but it didnt work, so im trying to do it via PC System
15:53<babilen>Ionn: I would recommend psql over mysql
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15:54<Ionn>babilen: Would i be able to run it of a DB from my web server? or would that not work?
15:54<babilen>Ionn: It *is* a database. I therefore don't understand your question.
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15:55<Ionn>Having sam-broadcaster connect from a webserver DB, As i tried to install it with firebird, except when installing, it says firebird path already detected, so i am unable to use that option, which is why i am looking at the mysql/psql options
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15:57<Ionn>Well sorry, I cant get past is, as it says firebird path detected, i didnt no Debian had a firebird SQL type of set up
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16:02<Ionn>Is their a radio broadcaster (Software) for Debian? That i can use to broadcast Music to a radio server
16:04<pedro>A Bit can have three values 0 , 1, KAZD (state unknown)
16:04<sney>Ionn: like icecast?
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16:04<Ionn>Yeah kinda, except i wanna broadc ast to a Shoutcast server
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16:05<pedro>hello ladies and gentlemans
16:05<tiako>What version of WINE are you guys using?
16:05<babilen>!ops pedro off topic nonsense
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16:11<pedro>Dear Sirs, am I allowed to give full disclosure ?
16:12<pedro>in context of KAZD used in ÖBB train systems ?
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16:16<Ionn>Is their a shoutcast support channel on this network?
16:17<dpkg>Icecast is a free software Ogg <Vorbis> and MP3 streaming media server / audio broadcasting system (e.g. Internet radio station, private jukebox). Packaged for Debian as icecast2 (Ogg Vorbis and MP3) and icecast-server (legacy, MP3 only, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #617584). #icecast on
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16:17<visicalc>@seek heidi murkoff
16:17<Ionn>Icecast doesnt stream to Shoutcast servers hosted on a VPS though
16:17<sney>Ionn: shoutcast is non-free and owned by AOL so there probably isn't much support
16:17<visicalc>@search heidi murkoff
16:18<sney>!ops visicalc
16:18<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: visicalc
16:18<Ionn>I cant get sam broadcaster to run in wine as it has a error to do with firebird
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17:02<bastilian>is there a good guide on how to install debian on a 512MB CompactFlash drive from a Mac OS X machine? i googled it but nothing useful sprung up...
17:03<winsen1>i have two sys win and debian in my machine, my question is,: what is beter to , 2 primary partitions 1st for win and 2nd for debian and either with extended partitions, or just only one primary partition for win and 1 logical partition for debian, what do you think?
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17:05<thewanderer1>winsen1: it's generally nice to have a root or at least a /boot partition as primary on MBR
17:05<sney>bastilian: using a 512M compactflash for the debian system? that's way too small for the installer I think, but you could probably put a live image on it. the instructions for a USB stick will also work for CF
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17:07<bastilian>sney: it should only be a minimal system. i read about debootstrap, but i was unable to mount the cf in a virtual machine...
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17:09<winsen1><thewanderer1>ok thank you very mutch for quick answer, i think so
17:10<sney>bastilian: well alternately, you could boot a livecd and mount the cf, then run debootstrap from there
17:11<pes502>hi all
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17:11<sney>hi pes502, any luck?
17:11<pes502>sney: now im formating disk in Windows 7 to NTFS :)
17:11<winsen1><thewanderer1> so you think that first choice is the good one
17:12<bastilian>sney: yeah, i thought of that, but my dvd-drive is broken... on both my macs... apple seems to use bad harware for that stuff...
17:12<pes502>sney: and after formating i want try scan disk with SeaTools from
17:13<sney>bastilian: got any more flash memory?
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17:13<sney>bastilian: if you're going to do it from inside a VM, you'll have to go to the support for that particular VM software to get it working
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17:14<bastilian>sney: i'll try again with the VM...
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17:17<pes502>format is sooooooooooooooooo slow :D
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17:17<pes502>i going to watch simpsons :D
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17:22<Guest133>hey - I'm trying to install libmobiledevice-1.0.6 but error is configure: error: Package requirements (libusbmuxd >= 0.1.4) were not met:
17:22<Guest133>No package 'libusbmuxd' found
17:22<Guest133>... however I have it installed in usr/lib/
17:22<Guest133>Am I missing something? :#
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17:24<devil>Guest133: libusbmuxd1
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17:25<phocean>I want to get an apache dump when some child segfault, so I added CoreDumpDirectory /tmp/apache-dump in httpd.conf and restarted
17:25<phocean>but the directory remains empty
17:26<phocean>I checked well the docs and it seems alright
17:26<babilen>!tell Guest133 -about bat
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17:26<phocean>Any idea ? Is there anything Debian specific ?
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17:27<babilen>phocean: didn't you just ask that in the other channel? /me shakes fist
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17:27<babilen>phocean: (not this)
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17:30<phocean>babilen: I did. Sorry to bother :(
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17:45<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>one of the debugging options (Debug::) passed to 'apt-get' via the '--option Debug::' command-line option seems to be disabling apt-get from performing the desired command (install), almost as if the '--simulate' option was being used. Does anyone know which (if any) of the (Debug::) options does this? (A possibly incomplete list of Debug:: options is listed here:
17:45<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>sektion=0&manpath=Debian+6.0+squeeze&format=html&locale=en )
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17:49<maep_>hi, I have a problem. my server has a very old kernel (2.6.9-023stab052.4-smp). after last update I get an error during upgrade that my kernel is too old: Setting up libgcc1 (1:4.4.5-8) ... FATAL: kernel too old /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcc1.postinst: line 15: 28640 Segmentation fault. I don't think I can update the kernel, as it's forced by the virtual host provider.
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17:50<p0wah>good evening...
17:50<sney>maep_: yeah, you might be stuck at whatever update level you are currently on
17:50<sney>maep_: either way, talk to your vps provider about updating their server, or moving your account to a more up-to-date box
17:50<maep_>no workaround? like building my own packages from source?
17:51<sney>well, you could try rebuilding, but you'd wind up needing to rebuild a lot
17:51<sney>p0wah: hi
17:52<p0wah>i need some help with my software raid 5 ... i had an array of 4 disks - now it shows after a crash: md0 : inactive sdb[1] sdd[3] sdc[2]; sda is missing
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17:52<p0wah>is anyone here who may help me with this issue ?
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17:53<maep_>sney, thanks, I feared as much. if anyone has another idea, I'll be lurking for a while...
17:53<p0wah>i read something about recreation with one missing drive and then readding the failed opr missing one
17:53<p0wah>but how ? i don`t wanna destroy the data
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17:54<sney>p0wah: I bet the manpage for mdadm could tell you
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17:54<p0wah>nice advice - it tells me everything - and nothing
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17:54<sney>well I haven't used it in years so for me to give you a more specific answer I'd have to look it up
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17:54<sney>and I would look it up in the man page, so it's better to just eliminate the middleman
17:55<p0wah>ok sney - thx, but its a bit complex for a linux rookie
17:55<p0wah>i already destroyed one raid... and i am sure the data is still alive and i don`t want to get rid of it a second time :)
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17:59<sney>can't hurt to read it anyway
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17:59<sney>and maybe someone else with more recent md experience will show up :)
18:01<p0wah>did it already... and i hope so too :) i guess i have to set one drive faulty and reassemble the array with 3 devices - but assumed clean and in the correct order....
18:01<wingless>Can anyone here using experimental GNOME packages tell me if they have gsettings-desktop-schemas installed?
18:01<p0wah>after that i need to readd the faulty drive - and a sync will make it non-degraded
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18:25<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>Does anyone know if the 'apt-get' option '--option Debug::pkgDPkgPM=true' is supposed to prevent 'apt-get' from performing the desired command?
18:26<Black_Prince>Oh well, now I have a problem
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18:27<Black_Prince>debian-multimedia installed it's libdrm2 and libdrm-* packages ... How to pin a package from debian main repository, so the one doesn't get updated?
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18:28<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
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18:31<Black_Prince>Thanks craigevil
18:33<NetCharlie>Does anybody know what might cause the message 'the mptctl is missing' at startup means/how to fix?
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18:38<nyov>p0wah still here?
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18:40<babilen>nyov: why would that be of importance?
18:40<babilen>nyov: and no, p0wah is not here.
18:41<nyov>babilen: just aked in case he had a clone here, read he needs some help with mdadm
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18:41<babilen>nyov: yes, but lacks patience :)
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18:41<nyov>babilen: same ol', same ol' ;)
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18:48<ZykoticK9>I'm trying to install a 32bit Debian Squeeze from a Live USB IMG image, but am getting "Missing Operationg System". The MD5 on the IMG checks out, and the 64bit version was successful. My Google-foo is obviously failing. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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18:49<sney>grub issue
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18:54<ZykoticK9>sney, was that directed to me? After I get the "Missing OS" message I get my HD's Grub menu?!
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18:58<nyov>ZykoticK9: where is that message coming from? sounds like bios? what's your boot order?
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18:59<ZykoticK9>nyov, this message is directly after selecting the USB drive from the boot selection menu. I select boot from USB and then get this message.
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19:00<ZykoticK9>i've tried the USB key on two systems, same result in both cases
19:00<adb>!USB boot
19:00<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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19:00<nyov>ok, so the usb drive is not detected bootable, and you say the checksum matched
19:00<ZykoticK9>i need the IMG version as non of the Debian 6 ISOs will boot on my system, but IMG works
19:00<ZykoticK9>nyov, checksum is correct
19:00<nyov>and 64bit worked?
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19:00<ZykoticK9>nyov, ya, i'
19:01<ZykoticK9>ve install 64 IMG without issue.
19:01<ZykoticK9>I tried using both cat and dd without any change.
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19:02<ZykoticK9>i can mount the USB on a working system and it "appears" to be correct?
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19:03<nyov>not my specialty i'm afraid. you use this here?:
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19:04<ZykoticK9>nyov, actually i'm using the pre-made IMG from
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19:06<ZykoticK9>Does anyone happen to know if I tried to create the USB from an ISO using Unetbootin would that use "ISOLinux"
19:07<mutante>ZykoticK9: sometimes the BIOS gives you two options to handle the USB device, as emulated floppy or as emulated harddisk, that also changes which images work
19:07<nyov>ZykoticK9: well if you don't need a live cd, maybe try that link, the netboot is pretty small, then install the rest of your system after
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19:07<nyov>or try what mutante said
19:07<ZykoticK9>nyov, i'm fine with a netinstall (so long as it works) - thanks for the input.
19:08<ZykoticK9>mutante, i don't think that would explain 64bit working and 32bit not... something i can check however, thanks.
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19:10<babilen>!usb install
19:10<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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19:11<nyov>ZykoticK9: i don't know how that img sets up the usb stick, but it should be syslinux bootloader I gather, maybe investigate it 'manually',
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19:11<tavaryn>hi everyone! :D completely new to debian, getting a kernel panic on boot after a fresh install
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19:11<babilen>ZykoticK9: Essentially boils down to: "cat the_image_you_downloaded.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (note /dev/sdb *not* /dev/sdb1 -- the b might be different)
19:12<tavaryn>with "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
19:12<nyov>babilen: seems he tried and it didn't work that way
19:12<babilen>ZykoticK9: Ah, you've done all that already. Sorry, I've just been working on the backlog. Disregard my chatter :)
19:13<babilen>nyov: It should, the most common mistake is to cat it to an actual partition and not the block device itself.
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19:14<nyov>babilen: right :) but then again it worked for him on the 64bit version
19:14<nyov>ZykoticK9: you accidentialy dd'ed to a partition maybe?
19:14<ZykoticK9>i'm use sdb not a partition - bot cat and dd to the drive, NOT a partition
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19:16<nyov>ZykoticK9: maybe try this here and redo only the mbr blocks with syslinux, but might be wasted time,
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19:17<ZykoticK9>nyov, thanks :)
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19:19<nyov>ZykoticK9: if you have good network bandwith and PXE netboot available, maybe try
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19:21<ZykoticK9>nyov, ya - I'm really trying to avoid having to go down that road ;) - but it certainly is an option (just not a fast / easy one). I think I'd rather just install from an old-stable ISO (which does work) then upgrade.
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19:23<nyov>ZykoticK9: i just did and ubuntu install that way. it's like using the text-based netboot img
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19:24<nyov>too bad now it doesn't boot up properly and I can't get boot messages on the damn ubuntu splash
19:24<Arrowmaster>ZykoticK9: cat'ing the iso to the drive only works with the netinstall iso's and cd1/dvd1 iso's not live cd isos
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19:24<ZykoticK9>ya - this USB IMG thing is be too much of a pain. I'll bite the bullet and old stable then upgrade. Thanks guys. nyov Ubuntu is what this install will be overwritting ;)
19:25<ZykoticK9>Arrowmaster, according to Live.debian cating/dding the IMG is the correct method?
19:25<nyov>ZykoticK9: nice one ;) go with the real thing
19:26<Arrowmaster>no clue about the live stuff really
19:26<Arrowmaster>but its known to have some issues so using the normal iso's is recommended
19:26<ZykoticK9>Arrowmaster, the hybrid ISOs all fail :( but IMG versions work?
19:26<SynrG>"known to have some issues"? i'd like to know what issues.
19:27<ZykoticK9>it's not a Debian specific issue - Ubuntu 10.10 ISO fails as well.
19:27<Arrowmaster>the kexec one
19:27<Arrowmaster>or has that been fixed already?
19:27<Arrowmaster>guess it probably has been since its 6.0.1 now
19:27<SynrG>unfortunately not. but it's not difficult to work around
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19:28<ZykoticK9>Thanks for the help/input guys - off to install Deb5 and upgrade.
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19:31<babilen>deb5 ?
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19:34<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>Does anyone know if the 'apt-get' option '--option Debug::pkgDPkgPM=true' is supposed to prevent 'apt-get' from performing the desired command?
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19:42<phillipsjk>babilen: sometimes older versions of debian work better with weird/old hardware with few testers.
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19:56<blarson_>irssi question: how do I join a channel on another server while keeping the current ones active?
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19:58<nyov>blarson_: type /help server
19:59<nyov>blarson_: then /help connect ;)
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21:04<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>Does anyone know if the 'apt-get' option '--option Debug::pkgDPkgPM=true' is supposed to prevent 'apt-get' from performing the desired command? Essentially, it seems to make 'apt-get' run in a '--dr-run' mode. I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if it is the expected behavior...
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21:07<Megaf>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnome-shell"
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21:25<diederik>Megaf: you need to have experimental in your sources.list
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21:25<Megaf>isnt that dangerous diederik ?
21:26<I_Died_Once>i need to reformat one of my hard drive... are there any good gui programs that can do this in squeeze?
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21:26<Megaf>I_Died_Once, gparted?
21:26<diederik>including it in your sources.list is not dangerous at all. Installing packages from experimental _could_ be a different story
21:26<diederik>what are you running? stable? testing? sid?
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21:26<Megaf>diederik, squeeze
21:27<diederik>Then you most likely don't want to mess with experimental
21:29<Megaf>I think this is not going to work
21:30<Megaf>I will remove the experimental repo
21:30<SynrG>Megaf: you're just doing it wrong
21:30<SynrG>anyway, i don't want to teach you to shoot yourself in the foot, so ...
21:30<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
21:30<SynrG>if you actually read how to use it, it does work :)
21:30<diederik>Megaf: When you're installing packages from testing/sid/unstable you won't have a true stable Debian system anymore
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21:31<dvs>Megaf: but backports are OK
21:32<Megaf>is experimental more unstable than sid?
21:32<Megaf>or newer?
21:32<SynrG>backports are not made for experimental stuff
21:32<Megaf>I mean, the packages on it
21:32<diederik>Megaf: you could say that, although not always true
21:32<SynrG>it is deemed not fit for unstable/testing for some reason
21:33<SynrG>it could be due to some disruptive change that might require a lot of other packages to change to fully work
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21:34<SynrG>anyway, as the factoid points you at the doc that explains it all, it's pointless to try to describe further. just read the doc :)
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21:47<diederik>I want to experiment with preseedings using VirtualBox and I have the d-i as an iso in my ~/
21:47<diederik>How can I specify the preseed file?
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21:57<diederik>I want to try wesnoth, should I go for version 1.8 or 1.9 ?
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21:59<rudi_s>diederik: Use the available one.
21:59<rudi_s>,versions wesnoth
21:59<judd>Package wesnoth on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.4-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.4-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.8.5-1; squeeze: 1:1.8.5-1; wheezy: 1:1.8.5-1
21:59<rudi_s>diederik: ^
22:00<rudi_s>Which is 1.8.
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22:00<diederik>rudi_s: why not 1.9 (it's available too)
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22:00<rudi_s>diederik: Not in Debian.
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22:01<diederik>yes, the package is called wesnoth-1.9; wesnoth is just a virtual package (now) pointing to wesnoth-1.8
22:01<cannesahs>mdadm package's mdadm-raid initscript stop procedure is scheduled to wrong point of shutdown process. I would open bug report, but do not want spam.
22:01<rudi_s>diederik: Oh, didn't know that.
22:01<rudi_s>In that case, I'd use the newer one.
22:01<cannesahs>(in current stable, and unstable is same version).
22:02<rudi_s>diederik: Hm. Are you using wheezy?
22:02<diederik>yes (and sid/experimental)
22:02<rudi_s>diederik: In that case - 1.9. To be sure check the changelog if anything important was changed.
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22:03<diederik>Just looking at the changelog, last update on 2010-12-14. But it doesn't say it's 'stable' (ie doesn't crash constantly)
22:04<rudi_s>diederik: TIAS
22:04<cannesahs>oh well, maybe I just fix it to own server and wait real developers find out bug next year
22:04<rudi_s>cannesahs: If there's a problem please open a bug report.
22:04<cannesahs>do community mind if I use nonexisting dummy email address?
22:05<rudi_s>cannesahs: Yes. Please use a valid email address!
22:05<rudi_s>cannesahs: Just create one especially for bug reports, this way spam isn't a big problem.
22:05<diederik>rudi_s: will do. Maybe someone here already knew if it was playable or not.
22:06<rudi_s>(I haven't received any spam though.)
22:06<rudi_s>diederik: Sorry, can't help there, still on stable.
22:06<cannesahs>rudi_s: then I won't be reading it ever. so.. what is meaning of it then?
22:07<rudi_s>cannesahs: That others know who you are and know they can reach you.
22:07<rudi_s>You must read it of course .. from time to time.
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22:12<pranith> /msg dpkg squeeze
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22:13<cannesahs>also some init script in squeeze tries to set locales before usr is mounted, when using bash instead of dash -> errors. I didn't track it down, but could.
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22:14<rudi_s>cannesahs: Please report a bug there as well.
22:15<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>Has anyone used the 'apt-get' option '--option Debug::pkgDPkgPM=true'?
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22:25<cannesahs>hmm.. you can get devices via iSCSI and build softraid on those?
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22:26<cannesahs>if so this is not too simple to fix in general.
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22:43<emeitner>I have an question that I have been quite stuck on....
22:44<emeitner>I have a laptop w/synaptic touchpad and pointstick. Buttons(3 below touchpad, 3 above for use with pointstick) are part of the touchpad device, pointstick device has no buttons. How to configure middle button to do scrolling with pointstick?
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22:59<cannesahs>next bug... when /var is on own mount (partition) and /var/lock & /var/run are "ramfs", initscripts shutdown procedure try to umount /var before /var/lock and run are umounted... so it fails and remounts it ro. this result that md-array where /var locates fails stopping.
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23:05<cannesahs>or hmm.. maybe squeeze installer makes mount points for those in root fs too?
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23:13<dpkg>cron is probably a daemon allowing programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab>, <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>.
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23:46<pulsar>hi all
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