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00:51<luis>good night everyone, need some help, suddendly iceweasel won't bookmark any page, can somebody help me to fix this please? i just can't find anythin on google about this issue help please
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01:01<phillipsjk>luis: did you change anything before that happened? Do existing bookmarks display?
01:02<luis>just suddendly stop bookmarking and it won't allowed me to bookmark any webpage
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01:02<luis>and it actually erase the webpages i got bookmarked
01:05<phillipsjk>AFAIK, the setting for iceweasel are store in `/.mozilla
01:07<phillipsjk>If that directory was missing I would expect it to be re-created though. If there is a stale lock file, I would expect the previous bookmarks to display.
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01:10<luis>i was trying clicking on import and backup and then restore bookmark options but it says: "unable to procecc the backup file
01:11<luis>i don't know what's wrong but it just won't allowed me to bookmark anything and also won't recover my bookmarked webpages
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01:17<luis>is there any way to reset iceweasel so it can be back to bookmark again?
01:18<luis>or some command line in terminal to reset iceweasel?
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01:20<vook>luis: you can delete the contents of $home/.mozilla
01:20<luis>let me see thakx :P
01:20*phillipsjk is using debian 4 as reference
01:20<phillipsjk>try renameing the ~/.mozilla/firefox directory
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01:21<vook>true - renaming is a better idea
01:22<luis>it says not such file or directory
01:23<phillipsjk>directories starting with'.' are hidden.
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01:24<dpkg>[mc] Midnight Commander is a cross-platform orthodox file manager, a clone of Norton Commander. It is a text mode application, with the main interface consisting of two panels which display the file system. FAQ: .
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01:27<phillipsjk>was reluctant to recommend it becuase it recommends over 20MB of stuff :)
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01:31*vook luvs mc moc aumix wicd-curses
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01:35<phillipsjk>the -a option for ls displays all files (including hidden)
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01:37<phillipsjk>luis see what "ls -a .mozilla" in your home directory says
01:39<phillipsjk>mine says firefox, but they may have changed that to iceweasel
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01:40<phillipsjk>so he did
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01:44<phillipsjk>on the debian 6 machine I set am setting up I removed aumix because oss emulation didn't seem to be working.
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01:46<home-alone>how to mount ntfs drives . they have become read only .
01:46<vook>hmm, did you try jackd ?
01:47<phillipsjk>vook: no, I am setting it up for a Windows-using friend. I just installed software supporting alsa.
01:48<phillipsjk>figured non-working programs and extra daemons would be confusing.
01:48<phillipsjk>home-alone: you may need to run chkdsk
01:48<phillipsjk>...from windows
01:49<home-alone>No i dont have windows . I am using debian 6 as my only OS
01:49<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
01:50<phillipsjk>ntfs-3g does have a filesytem checking/repair tool, but you are still expected to run Microsoft's chkdsk afterward.
01:52<home-alone>I think ntfs3g is already installed . should I install disk manager and force mount the drives
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01:53<vook>home-alone: if you are through with windows, I recommend copying or taring all data from the ntfs partition to another device.
01:53<phillipsjk>is there a specific reason you are using a NTFS? Forcing a mount of a dirty filesystem can be risky.
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01:55<home-alone>previously I had windows xp . thats why I still have ntfs drives . they were fine with Debian 6 when i installed it but now they have become read only . I am a new user so dont have any idea what to do
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01:57<vook>this is a bit complicated... you may cd to the read only ntfs filesystem and then type 'tar cf - * | ( cd /target; tar xfp -)' (to the target drive)
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01:58<phillipsjk>vook is the tar step mainly to preserve dates and other meta-data?
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01:59*phillipsjk lost such info years ago doing a ftp copy
01:59<home-alone>ok I will try that and let you know ...
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02:01<home-alone>how to install libre office btw
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02:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see
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02:07<home-alone>how to add the repository and to install Libreoffice...???
02:07<vook>aptitude install libreoffice should do the trick
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02:10<home-alone>root@debian:/home/asif# aptitude install libreoffice
02:10<home-alone>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libreoffice"
02:10<home-alone>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libreoffice"
02:10<home-alone>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
02:10<home-alone>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
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02:13<phillipsjk>vook: by default only 'main' is used, openoffice is there, but not libreoffice
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02:21<phillipsjk>website says "Your keyword was too generic.
02:21<phillipsjk>Please consider using a longer keyword or more keywords. " for the package name search 'libreoffice'
02:22<phillipsjk>not sure how else to determine which repository it is in.
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02:24<phillipsjk>Nemoder that was the website I was using
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02:25<phillipsjk>(redirects to
02:27<Nemoder>you can just add the search to the end of the url:
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02:31<phillipsjk>looks like it is not in stable.
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02:37<phillipsjk>I think the bot scared home-alone away.
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02:55<doubledutch>I have a quick question, since the room is a bit slow right now: I would like to delete all *1.txt files since *.txt of each file already exists (bunch of duplicates). Problem is, they're scattered in parents. Basically ~/a/b contains /c, /d, /e which all have these files to remove in ADDITION to /c, /d, /e all containing folders with those files in them as well.
02:56<doubledutch>TL,DR: What switch do I add to rm *1.txt to include all files in THAT folder, and all subfolders inside of that folder, and all subfolders inside those subfolders, etc
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03:06<doubledutch>I am going to do a: rm /*/*1.txt, then I am going to rm /*/*/*1.txt, then I am going to rm /*/*/*/*1.txt, is this a dumb thing to do to accomplish the task I want to accomplish or will it work?
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03:10<kingsley>doubledutch: Maybe one clever application of the "find" command could do it.
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03:11<mercutio22>doubledutch: -R
03:13<doubledutch>Mercutio22, THANK YOU! I had the interpretation of the word "recursive" incorrect IRT the rm command
03:13<mercutio22>doubledutch: no problem =]
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03:17<doubledutch>Mercutio22, the issue now is "no file or directory" -- I'm doing: rm -R *1.txt also tried rm -R */*1.txt
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03:18<doubledutch>I am in folder /a which has /b through /z in it... but /a has no files, just folders. for /b through /z, some have files but most have a /1 through /99 of their own with files inside
03:19<doubledutch>rm ./ -R *1.txt --or-- rm -R **/*1.txt
03:19<kayaman_00>doubledutch, you can try:
03:19<kayaman_00>find /a -type f -iname "\*1.txt" -exec rm '{}' \;
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03:27<mercutio22>doubledutch: rm -R path/to/main/folder/*1.txt
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03:27<mercutio22>I guess
03:29<mercutio22>doubledutch: nah.. hasn't worked
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03:32<doubledutch>Well I'm happy I didn't put a sudo in front of: find /a -type f -iname "\*1.txt" -exec rm '{}' \; ...because that command got "permission denied" to delete damn near every file on my filesystem.
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03:36<doubledutch>In a simplified version (parameters still applicable) of my problem, I have ~/A/[B-Z] and folders B through Z each have folders A through Z inside of them (it's these A-Z) that have *1.txt in them. I would like to delete all *1.txt from a terminal opened in ~/A/
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03:38<kingsley>doubledutch: The "find" command can also report "Permission denied" when it tries to just read a file or directory, without necessarily trying to delete it.
03:38<cpach>doubledutch: it's safer to try and just find the files first, without removing them
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03:39<cpach>ie, run find without -exec first
03:40<kingsley>doubledutch: You can see this is so by using the "find" command without trying to exec(ute) rm for matching files.
03:40<doubledutch>I thought there would be a simpler command, something like: rm **/*1.txt --or-- rm */*/*1.txt
03:40<cpach>rm:s -i option might be handy aswell
03:41<kingsley>doubledutch: $ find /a -type f -iname "\*1.txt"
03:41<cpach>find is your friend :)
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03:42<kingsley>doubledutch: Actually, I prefer... $ find /a -type f -iname '*1.txt'
03:43<kingsley>doubledutch: Once you figure out how to find the files you want, I'd like to think it would be a relatively straight forward matter to embellish the find command with "-exec rm '{}' \;" to remove them.
03:44<doubledutch>-exec rm '{}' \; just removes the list of files I have just found, right?
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03:45<ZykoticK9> I'm trying to remove the Recovery options from my Grub menu, it seems that un-commenting the GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY="true" and running update-grub removed the option from 2 installs but left 3. Should I be running grub-update in each version or something?
03:46<doubledutch>...but this find command - I need something (recursive?) that will look into this folder, all folders in this folder, and all folders inside of those folders -
03:47<kingsley>doubledutch: Yes, that's right. It passes the matching filenames as parameters to the "rm" command in {}.
03:47<doubledutch>My co-worker is trying to go into each /*/ and delete them by hand - he just reported to me that "I'm already in the "C"s!"
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03:49<kingsley>doubledutch: He may be in the "C"s, but if you learn how to use the find command, you'll be able to run circles around him.
03:49*kingsley needs to go soon.
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03:50<kingsley>doubledutch: My closing advice is a.) Dial in finding the files with find, and once you see only files that you're OK with removing, then embellish the command with -exec rm '{}' \;
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03:51<doubledutch>Understand. I'm on and also in the man - but it seems like the basic issue with "find /a -type f -iname" is the /a. I've tried "." and "/*" and others... but I need something like -R
03:51<kingsley>doubledutch: and b.) Run circles around your co-worker.
03:51<doubledutch>Thank you all for all the help! I'm sure I'll get this
03:51<doubledutch>kingsley; THANKS
03:52<kingsley>doubledutch: The find command automatically searches a directory tree recursively, so I doubt you need something like -R.
03:52<doubledutch>kingsley; what joy!
03:53<kingsley>doubledutch: Like you, I expect you'll figure it out.
03:53<kingsley>doubledutch: Even if you don't, you can still ask for help on freenode's #bash channel.
03:54<doubledutch>I've got it! Instead of finding "\*1.txt" I need to find "*1.txt" and I'm Bill's Gate!
03:54<doubledutch>Thank you so much all!
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03:57<jm_fr>Hi, all
03:58<doubledutch>I really love Linux holy moly
03:58<doubledutch>I'm going to add that to commandlinefu right now!
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04:25<jm_fr>Hi everyone
04:26<doubledutch>jm_fr; hello!
04:26<jm_fr>Hello again doubledutch, saw you earlier, here
04:27<doubledutch>jm_fr; you always give the best advise. I've idled here as dbldtx, bweaster, nl...
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04:27<doubledutch>each new nick = new primary Debian machine. :D
04:27<jm_fr>I have a problem with aptitude triggering loop problem. What is the best way to get help about it ? I am on squeeze.
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04:28<doubledutch> o_O apologies, I thought you were "jm", who's always here.
04:28<jm_fr>Sorry doubleduthc, i am new to irc ... 8-)
04:28<petemc>theres a number of jm* variants
04:29<doubledutch>o. Certainly not "jm" then... welcome, all the same!
04:29<jm_fr>then we shall form a channel by ourselves 8-)))
04:29<dpkg>[jm] Jamaica
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04:29<jm_fr>nope, here is Fr
04:29<doubledutch>I'm going to have to ask you to leave. ;)
04:29<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
04:29<jm_fr>why ? 8-(
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04:30<doubledutch>Joking! Goodnight all!
04:30<dpkg><Erik_J> good day! i hear this might be a good place to get some technical advice when one is debian eliterate :)
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04:30<jm_fr>dpkg, i am not that illiterate, and I speak proper English (well, I thin so)
04:30<dpkg>You are person #5 to send an unparseable request, jm_fr
04:31<ZykoticK9>jm_fr, dpkg is a bot, not a real person
04:31<cahoot>jm_fr: dpkg is a bot
04:31<dpkg>hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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04:32<jm_fr>as I said I am irc-new and irc-iliterate, I thought someone had used that nickname
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04:33<jm_fr>I fell like the elephant in the fine glass shop
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04:33<petemc>jm_fr: what exactly happens when you use aptitude?
04:34<cahoot>jm_fr: just stick to the sublect (#debian) and you'll be fine
04:34<jm_fr>I get an insserv loop problem when and only when I try to "purge" not "remove". I need to diagnose the real origin
04:35<jm_fr>If I install some packages, then there are rejected for configuration. They install fine but are not configured
04:39<petemc>whats the error message?
04:40<jm_fr>insserv: loop involving service mountall at depth 9 // there are 8 like that at different levels. Only when purging
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04:42<petemc>also 470058 and 471281
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04:44<jm_fr>I read these, I did some google search since tyesterday morning. They did not seem to apply to my case. If I try to install any new package, then I will see this behaviour but when uninstalling, only purge will trigger it
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04:46<jm_fr>Thanks for advice, the food bell is ringing. I shall come back later
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04:49<dpkg>ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>.
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04:49<K0JIbKA>!why not ntpdate
04:49<dpkg>Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of <ntpdate> to keep your time synched. Rationale at . ntpdate is deprecated upstream (Debian bug #514318).
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05:03<luis>can you please help me to help this:
05:03<luis>t-get update
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05:03<luis>E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list (URI parse)
05:03<luis>E: The list of sources could not be read.
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05:04<luis>can you please help me to ix this: ap
05:04<luis>t-get update
05:04<luis>E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list (URI parse)
05:04<luis>E: The list of sources could not be read.
05:04<devil>luis: stop
05:04<devil>read what it says
05:04<luis>i read that but i do not know what to do
05:04<devil>luis: E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list (URI parse) is all you need to know
05:05<luis>i do not know how to fix that
05:05<luis>i do not understand it
05:05<luis>i am new in debian
05:05<luis>i erase iceweasel
05:05<devil>luis: show us that line: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list
05:06<devil>you put the line there, and its malformed
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05:07<devil>luis: what does: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list show?
05:07<luis>this is what i got: deb deb ./
05:07<devil>well, there is 2 deb there
05:07<luis>can you please tell me how to fix it?
05:07<devil>luis: besides that, iceweasel 4 is in experimental. no outside repo needed anymore
05:08<luis>let me tell you what i di
05:08<luis>iceweasel suddendly stop bookmarking
05:08<luis>so i did purge it from terminal then i got what i puted at the begining
05:09<luis>then i went to terminal again and i did: apt-get install iceweasel
05:09<devil>if you want iceweasel 4, delete iceweasel.list
05:09<luis>and now that's what i get averytime i do aPT-GET UPDATE
05:10<luis>ok let me delte it
05:10<devil>then open debian.list and add: deb experimental main contrib non-free
05:10<luis>how do i open that?
05:10<luis>with nano?
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05:10<devil>then do: apt-get update && apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel
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05:11<devil>with your favourite editor
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05:14<luis>this is what i did and what i get:
05:14<luis>root@Mario-Luis:/home/luis# nano debian.list
05:14<luis>root@Mario-Luis:/home/luis# apt-get update
05:14<luis>E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list (URI parse)
05:14<luis>E: The list of sources could not be read.
05:15<devil>rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/iceweasel.list
05:15<luis>ha now is working
05:15<luis>than i do the other stuff :D
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05:27<luis>here is what i get:
05:28<ompaul>luis: get rid of that
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05:29<luis>with this: " rm -rf"
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05:29<ompaul>luis you break stuff if you dont know what you are doing, if you break it enough you get to keep all the parts
05:30<ompaul>luis: I don't know where you added that]#
05:30<luis>thats what i am saying i do not know i am just trying to follow your instructions
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05:30<deux>hi, yesterday i tried removing all the games from gnome (and other software i didn't want - ekiga, epiphany, empathy). when i tried to remove them it said i had to remove gnome-core as well as gnome-desktop-environment. so i did and when i rebooted i could log in but not get the panels
05:31<ompaul>luis if you break it enough you get to keep all the parts
05:31<deux>any idea why this happened? and whether i can uninstall those pieces of software without worry?
05:31<babilen>!tell deux about remove rhythmbox
05:31<ompaul>luis: you added that line to something ... it needs to be gone
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05:31<ompaul>luis: back in 7
05:32<babilen>deux: That covers rhythmbox, but outlines the situation. I would make sure on of the smaller gnome metapackages like gnome-session is installed and take it from there.
05:33<deux>ok, but how do i know what are metpackages?
05:33<babilen>deux: And you can uninstall almost everything without worrying too much. The package manager will complain when you try to remove anything that is *really* needed. You definition of needed and the system's might not be the same though.
05:33<babilen>!tell deux -about install gnome
05:34<deux>so i'm not getting why did the panels go away?
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05:34<deux>and everything else, it wont load the icons as well
05:34<babilen>deux: Those are the metapackages you can choose from. Metapackages are stub packages that don't ship any software themself and just define dependencies on other packages.
05:35<ompaul>luis: well I was faster than I thought
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05:35<ompaul>luis: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list/
05:35<ompaul>luis: put that in a pastebin
05:35<babilen>deux: You are probably missing some important parts of gnome now. "gnome-panel" comes to mind. But as I said, I would use one of the smaller metapackages first and take it from there.
05:36<deux>i don't know how to do that
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05:36<deux>how do i use smaller metapackages?
05:36<cyrusnk>hi to all
05:37<luis>i got this: "
05:37<luis>root@Mario-Luis:/home/luis# ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list/
05:37<luis>ls: cannot access /etc/apt/sources.list/: Not a directory
05:37<babilen>deux: You could run "aptitude install gnome-session" or "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" -- dpkg sent you a private message about it
05:38<cyrusnk>i didn't manage to make 3d software like blender or openarena work, i get the same X error of failed request BadWindow. please help
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05:39<deux>so basically after removing those packages (software i don't want + gnome-desktop for example) just reinstall gnome-desktop?
05:39<deux>is that the idea?
05:39<ompaul>luis: sorry I'm without my first coffee isntalled hot water I'll grab a cup and come back (nano /etc/apt/sources.list and you may have something in there)
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05:40<babilen>deux: More or less. The reason you are seeing this is because you tried to remove "gnome-games". The package you used to install gnome was a metapackage that depends on this. As the dependency could no longer be satisfied it was removed along with the other dependencies too.
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05:41<babilen>deux: I would install "gnome-session" or "gnome-core" and check if anything is still missing and install that directly.
05:41<babilen>deux: You might have different needs. :)
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05:41<luis>i got this: ""
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05:43<babilen>deux: Are you fine now or do you need more detailed instructions?
05:43<deux>i think i got it - uninstall what i want and restore gnome-desktop and gnome-core
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05:44<deux>my question is - why isn't this simpler, why does it allow me to uninstall something that will make me work to return it and not just leave it?
05:44<deux>i mean - how important is gnome-games to gnome?
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05:46<babilen>deux: You installed gnome that way. If you want anything special like "I don't actually want this part and that part" you are customising ... *I* am personally thinking that the way this is solved is bad, but that is how it is.
05:47<ompaul>luis: you going to paste sources.list into a pastebin for us?
05:47<deux>ok, just the last one about this - how would i know what is the bare essentials for my system to work and what isn't?
05:47<luis>i just did
05:47<babilen>deux: If you had installed you system differently (i.e. *not* installed the desktop task) and started out with an installation of "gnome-session" the things would have been different.
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05:48<deux>ok, don't remember seeing that as an option when installed
05:48<deux>aptitude install ntp
05:48<deux>wrong place
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05:48<babilen>deux: I told you already, but I happily do it again :) -- You get the bare essentials with the package "gnome-session". So if run "aptitude install gnome-session" you should have a working (yet minimal) gnome session.
05:48<luis>should i erase last line or what do i do?
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05:49<ompaul>luis: yes you should
05:49<deux>sorry, i prob missed that :-) thanks for your help
05:49<luis>then apt-get update right?
05:49<deux>will now start the cleaning
05:49<babilen>deux: It is not an option in the installer. I personally install a minimal system (no graphical environment, just standard/laptop task) and build it from there on the command line (install X, window manager, ...)
05:49<deux>got it
05:50<deux>that's what i'll start doing
05:50<luis>done now everything is ok
05:50<babilen>deux: As I said: I personally see the way gnome is installed by the installer as problematic as million of people end up deciding that they don't actually want "X" or "Y". They can make this decision once they know that "X
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05:51<babilen>deux: And "Y" exist ... That takes some time.
05:51<babilen>deux: Have fun :)
05:51<deux>now to the second thing that bugs me - my "software center" isn't removing anything - i click the button it goes into thinking mode for a couple of sec but then returns to normal without doing anything
05:51<luis>ok now what do i do?
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05:51<deux>trying to resolve everything now :-)
05:51<luis>how do i get iceweasel back properly?
05:52<deux>real thanks for the gnome question
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05:52<babilen>deux: I have never used any GUI package manager, can't help you with this.
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05:52<ompaul>luis: just looking at that ... why have you a $ on lines 15 and 15?
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05:52<ompaul>luis: just looking at that ... why have you a $ on lines 14 and 15
05:52<deux>well, i had a good run
05:52<deux>thanks for your help
05:53<ompaul>luis: or was it cut and paste
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05:53<ompaul>deux: install it and just keep adding packages until you have the desktop etc you want
05:53<babilen>deux: You are most welcome. Have a nice day!
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05:55<luis>there is not a "$" on lines 14 and 15
05:55<luis>oooh sorry
05:55<luis>i just notice that
05:55<ompaul>luis: are they in the sources
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05:56<luis>i don't know i guess i should erase that
05:56<ompaul>file even
05:56<ompaul>luis: it should read non-free as the last word on each of those lines from the way you have set it u
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05:57<ompaul>luis: just as a matter of curiosity, why do you want iceweasel 4?
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05:57<luis>i dont'
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05:58<luis>it all started because i was trying to reset iceweasel bacause somehow it stop from bookmarking webpages
05:59<ompaul>luis: that might be something broken in your .mozilla/ directory
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06:01<luis>well now i have not mozilla or iceweasel whatever the name should be
06:01<ompaul>luis: there is a file in .mozilla/firefox/*.default/bookmarks.html
06:01<luis>and also don't know how to get rid of that "$"
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06:01<ompaul>luis: ok hang on a minute
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06:05<ompaul>luis: see this - this is how your current file should look with no more rubbish in it that you had already ;-)
06:05<ompaul>luis: its been cleaned up a little
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06:07<luis>ok then i copy that and replace it right?
06:07<luis>in terminal
06:07<ompaul>luis: yes
06:07<ompaul>luis: you want a cheat for doing it
06:07<ompaul> cat > /etc/apt/sources.list
06:08<ompaul>and paste in there and use the "CTRL C" keys at the end
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06:09<phillipsjk>I was taught ^D (supposed to be End of file marker or something)
06:09<ompaul>phillipsjk: and you weren't thought wrong
06:09<ompaul>but CTRL C kills the process
06:09<ompaul>and leaves the file in place
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06:10<p0wah>could someone help me with my softraid recovery ?
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06:12<p0wah>i get md0 : inactive sdb[1](S) sdd[3](S) sdc[2](S) sda[0](S)
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06:12<p0wah>sda failed
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06:12<ompaul>luis: when you are finished mv .mozilla .original-mozilla as a normal user next the fun part ;; aptitude reinstall iceweasel
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06:17<luis>the cheatinn won't work
06:17<ompaul>luis: why what are you getting?
06:17<luis>after hittin enter the cursor just stay there
06:17<ompaul>luis: you didn't copy the line numbers scroll down the screen and get the bit without
06:18<ompaul>line numbers ...
06:18<ompaul>luis: ahh sorry now CTRL key hold it down and then C
06:19<luis>like this: ok
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06:27<luis>aptitude reinstall iceweasel didn¿t work so i did instead: apt-get install iceweasel
06:28<luis>fucking bookmarking still wont bookmark any webpage
06:28<luis>sorry i am frustrated
06:28<luis>by the way i lost all my bookmarked webpages
06:29<ompaul>luis: did you >> mv .mozilla .original-mozilla << as your ordinary user
06:30<ompaul>luis: we'll work on trying to get back your other bookmarks shortly
06:30<luis>i do not know what does that means
06:30<ompaul>luis: preparing the ground before you plant is always good ;-)
06:30<luis>do i copy that and paste it into terminal?
06:30<ompaul>luis: eariluer I said mv .mozilla .original-mozilla (as luis)
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06:31<luis>ok that i suppose to do it in terminal right?
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06:31<ompaul>luis: yes as user luis
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06:32<luis>when you say as user you mean root?
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06:33<ompaul>luis: no most certainly not
06:33<phillipsjk>user 'luis' means user 'luis' unless you are using iceweasel as root.
06:33<ompaul>luis: as the everyday user
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06:33<luis>ok done that
06:33<ompaul>luis: now start iceweasel and try to bookmark a page any page
06:34<ompaul>luis: did that work?
06:35<luis>you know what?
06:35<luis>i do really want to kiss you so much :P
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06:36<luis>follow in love with such a tender, loving, caring and smart guy like yourself :P
06:36<luis>thanks you so much Paul
06:36<luis>love you
06:36<ompaul>luis: you ain't finished yet
06:37<luis>so what do i have to do next?
06:37<phillipsjk>luis did you need to recover the bookmarks you moved?
06:37<luis>you are right
06:37<luis>bookmarks i lost
06:37<ompaul>phillipsjk: do you want to go there or shall I
06:38*phillipsjk needs sleep
06:38<ompaul>phillipsjk: no problem
06:38<luis>me 2
06:38<luis>is 4:38 am here
06:38<ompaul>luis: give me a couple of mins and we start on this
06:38<ompaul>luis: ok tell you what
06:38<phillipsjk>My timezone!
06:38<ompaul>don't go anywhere
06:38<luis>don't you worry
06:38<luis>i'll be here
06:38<luis>after that love to give you a nice relaxing massage :P
06:39<luis>Puerto Vallarta here :D
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06:43<ompaul>there endit the lesson
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06:46<deux>hi, is there a way to get "zip options" in the mouse menus?
06:46<deux>which software is good for zip under debian?
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06:51<ompaul>deux: why zip when you can get better options
06:51<ompaul>and I don't support guis but there are archiving details
06:51<deux>well, i just downloaded files that are zip and can't open them
06:51<deux>that's all
06:51<deux>and what's the better option?
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06:52<ompaul>deux: why zip files ... seriously ... I think you are about to do something there is a better way of doing
06:52<deux>fair enough, i'm open to suggestions
06:52<ompaul>deux: zip files need to be unzipped and
06:53<ompaul>why did you get zip files if I may be so rude :)
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06:53<deux>i just want to open the files i downloaded, just wondering what is a good zip proram for debian
06:53<deux>trying to set up my new comp nicely
06:53<ompaul>you want to install stuff from gnome looks
06:53<ompaul>and you are running gnome
06:53<deux>indeed agian
06:53<ompaul>so ...
06:54<ompaul>do you think that gnome might automagically deal with them?
06:54<deux>meaning what?
06:54<deux>i know how to install them, just need to open 2 files i downloaded
06:54<deux>if that was the question
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06:56<ompaul>does it say gz at the end of the file or zip?
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06:56<weasel>mkdir foo, cd foo, unzip ../path/to/zip
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06:57<weasel>or, I suppose, you could just click on it or something.
06:57<ompaul>deux: ^^ there you go
06:57*ompaul goes back to sleep
06:57<deux>i know how to do that - i want to add the option to the mouse menus
06:57<deux>you know - lazy
06:57<weasel>if you were lazy you'd use a shell :)
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06:59<ompaul>deux: and if you were super lazy you would have discovered that there were .deb files on that site so you could have debian versions of things but thats a whole other ball game
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07:03<deux>well, i guess i'll just do the old way
07:03<deux>thanks guys
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07:07<hever>Hello, how can I determine if a recording really uses 9600Hz?
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07:20<hever>ok got it myself...
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07:50<simon_>hej. i want to update debian from lenny to squeeze. Now I ve seen that the new kernel needs almost 80 MB, my extra boot partition only has 50 MB (from a time where a kernel took around 2-3MB). now I dont know what to do. I dont want to change partition sizes, so i thought of copying grub to the main partiton. Can I do that while running the system or do i need to start a live cd or something like that?
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07:52<weasel>moving /boot to the / partition shouldn't be a problem
07:52<cahoot>it won't need 80MB in /boot
07:52<weasel>mkdir; mv boot/*; umount boot, rmdir boot, mv boot, update fstab.
07:52<simon_>apt-get says so ...
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07:53<weasel>most of the disk space goes to /lib/modules
07:53<cahoot> kernel-image + initrd + amounts to circa 7MB
07:54<cahoot> 6 rather
07:54<weasel>or twice that.
07:54<weasel>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10391964 Mar 26 20:07 initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
07:54<weasel>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2298016 Mar 9 01:35 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686
07:54<weasel>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1292441 Mar 9 01:35
07:54<ompaul>cruft carrying cleanup time
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07:57<simon_>ok, thanks. Ill try it.
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07:58<simon_>btw, how can I find out why someone has been banned in this channel?
07:59<ompaul>ask them
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08:01<simon_>well, it's me =) but the problem seems to be the irssi client. When I start it as root and want to join this channel, it says I am bannd... as normal user it works
08:01<cahoot>being root's the reason
08:01<ompaul>simon_: the user root@ is banned it is bad to irc as root
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08:02<simon_>ok, thanks.
08:03<ompaul>simon_: there are bugs against certain clients if you run them as root, and it is also that it is bad practice but there are people who type random stuff they see on irc ... doing such as root can mean they have to reinstall so best not have that much power ;-)
08:03<simon_>but the message should be: "Don't use irc as root user" instead of "can't join cause you're banned"
08:03<ompaul>simon_: the irc daemon is not that flexible
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08:05<ompaul>simon_ I said on a different irc channel about 15 mins ago :) [12:51:31] <ompaul> sometimes there is great freedom in having no choice: the irc daemon is not that flexible
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08:05<ompaul>simon_: the : the irc stuff was not in the other channel :/
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08:13<simon_>ah, well, concerning my (old) issue, I also wanted to ask if there is a possibility to see where exactly the disk space for packages is needed (on which partition/folder)?
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08:22<t-elf>hello! I am trying to boot my laptop via PXE, but "retrying nfs mount mount call failed - server replied: permission denied". I checked the server-syslog and the server is refusing the export. how does my /etc/exports have to look like?
08:23<t-elf>right now i have: /tftpboot *(ro,no_root_squash,no_all_squash,sync,no_subtree_check)
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08:38<weasel>t-elf: what does the server syslog say exactly?
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08:41<t-elf>@weasel refused mount request from not exported
08:41<weasel>what are you trying to mount?
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08:43<t-elf>@weasel: well, i have copied squeeze in the /tftpboot with debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /tftpboot
08:43<t-elf>so i guess i am trying to mount that filesystem
08:43<weasel>yes. how.
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08:43<weasel>i.e. what's the path the client tries to mount
08:44<weasel>you must have specified that somewhere
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08:45<t-elf>I dont know if i specified that. Where could I do that? doesnt that kernel etc tell what the client what to mount?
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08:48<t-elf>I set up a dhcp-, tftp- and nfs-server and copied pxelinux, kernel, initramfs into /tftpboot
08:48<t-elf>thats pretty much everything what i did
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08:55<elf2>I will restart and have a look at the exact syslog
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09:03<elf2>@weasel: "refused mount request from for /mnt/hda5/yuki (/): not exported
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09:04<fox_dewd>can someone help me please
09:04<fox_dewd>when running a ./configure
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09:04<fox_dewd>I want to remove a file from being configured
09:04<fox_dewd>how do I do that?
09:05<weasel>elf2: show me your pxelinux.cfg/default or whatever it's called - paste it on
09:07<fox_dewd>anyone that can help me
09:07<fox_dewd>Or what do I look for on google?
09:07<Black_Prince>What package?
09:07<fox_dewd>./configure --prefix=/opt/asterisk-
09:07<fox_dewd>configure: error: *** termcap support not found
09:08<weasel>I'm not sure what you mean by "remove a file from being configured" anyway
09:08<weasel>that makes no sense whatsoever
09:08<nyov>fox_dewd: asking like that, nobody can help you. totally depends on your software and your reasons
09:08<Black_Prince>weasel I think he wants to remove a component ... Which can be disabled in some packages by specifing --disable-something
09:08<Black_Prince>fox_dewd install libncurses5-dev
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09:08<weasel>fox_dewd: why are you not using the asterisk package?
09:08<elf2>@weasel: I think in my pxelinux.cfg/default is the problem. I will reboot and be back.
09:08<fox_dewd>Black_Prince, thank you
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09:09<mekt>how can one discover what program is sending out UDP datagrams when it does not keep the socket open? netstat does not find it.
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09:09<fox_dewd>weasel, I am just running through a step by step guide and that is the error I received
09:10<fox_dewd>Black_Prince, thank you once again
09:10<weasel>fox_dewd: a) 1.6.0.* is old,
09:10<weasel>fox_dewd: b) there are packages for a reason. probably you are reading the wrong guide or your guide is crap
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09:10<fox_dewd>weasel, 1.6.0 is old but stable
09:11<Black_Prince>It is crap as long as it does not tell users what dependencies they need
09:11<weasel>1.6.2 is in squeeze, and lenny-backports.
09:11<weasel>if you don't have any particular reason for not using that I suggest you just install the package
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09:11<fox_dewd>It might be an old guide
09:12<fox_dewd>What my goal is is to install Hylafax and be able to send faxes via t.38
09:13<vizor_>hi guys, how I can choose one of installed gcc versions?
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09:13<vizor_>preferable I want to use 4.6
09:13<Black_Prince>vizor_ export CC=gcc-version ... eg export CC=gcc-4.6
09:13<babilen>fox_dewd: hylafax is packaged as well -- "apt-cache search hylafax" -- I don't think the guide you are reading is good or meant for Debian users.
09:13<Black_Prince>or use full paths like export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.6
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09:14<vizor_>symlink /usr/bin/gcc pionts on /usr/bin/gcc-4.5, is there debian way to change this symlink?
09:14<fox_dewd>Black_Prince, installing libncurses5-dev worked
09:14<babilen>!tell fox_dewd -about hylafax
09:14<babilen>fox_dewd: I would recommend to read the wiki and use the Debian packages.
09:15<fox_dewd>babilen, thank you
09:15<fox_dewd>I will do
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09:15<fox_dewd>babilen, can I paste the link to the guide I am reading here?
09:15<fox_dewd>so you can see
09:15<babilen>fox_dewd: Sure
09:16<Black_Prince>vizor_ maybe it can using dpkg-divert (I don't know how to use it)
09:16<babilen>,info t38modem
09:16<judd>Package t38modem (comm, optional) in squeeze/i386: T.38 Fax over IP pseudo modem. Version: 1.2.0-1; Size: 137.4k; Installed: 400k; Homepage:
09:17<babilen>fox_dewd: Look into that ^^^ package as well.
09:17<fox_dewd>babilen, thank you
09:17<fox_dewd>you guys are very helpfull
09:17<babilen>fox_dewd: I have no specialised knowledge of hylafax, asterisk or t38modem, but I know that it is in general a *much* better idea to use the Debian packages.
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09:19<fox_dewd>babilen, note I am running ubuntu
09:20<fox_dewd>and ubuntu is based on debain am I right?
09:20<babilen>fox_dewd: The Debian package of t38modem as available in squeeze seems to be quite up-to-date. I would start with that.
09:20<babilen>fox_dewd: you are in the wrong place then. We don't support Ubuntu in here. You want #ubuntu on
09:21<babilen>fox_dewd: If you want support in #debian you have to run Debian, which I would seriously consider if I were in your position.
09:21<fox_dewd>lol okay but thank you anyway you were very helpfull
09:21<babilen>fox_dewd: Yeah, but I am a bit grumpy now because I wasted my time.
09:22<fox_dewd>babilen, sorry for that, did not mean to upset you. I am new to linux and would like to learn
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09:22<babilen>fox_dewd: I would suggest a little experiment. Ask the same question in #ubuntu and see what happens :)
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09:23<babilen>fox_dewd: Don't worry, have a nice day and ask further support questions in #ubuntu or install Debian (*strongly* recommended) and come back.
09:24<babilen>fox_dewd: I'll be in #ubuntu and see what happens. :)
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09:26<nyov>I've been bitten by bug #619019 and need to downgrade to 2.6.32-30 686 kernel pointrelease, any precompiled packages to be found somewhere?
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09:27<atul>!dpkg new website
09:27<dpkg>As part of the Squeeze release party, the site has had a face-lift. Enjoy!
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09:27<Guest217>@weasel: I am elf. I installed irssi on the server but dont know how to change my nick. /nick does not work. anyhow: my pxelinux.cfg/default was messed up. I corrected it and now it is working. thanks for the hint!
09:28<weasel>you're welcome
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09:29<atul>iceweasel complaining about flashplugin10 missing , not able to play ne video
09:29<Guest217>now the client seems to be stopped at: Call trace: ?syscall_call+0x7/0xb
09:29<Guest217>syslog says: Mar 27 14:29:22 dhcppc0 kernel: [ 980.721786] RPC: multiple fragments per record not supported
09:30<Black_Prince>atul enable contrib repo and install flashplugin-nonfree ... or try gnash - an open source flash player
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09:31<babilen>!tell fox_dewd about why debian
09:31<atul>thanks Black_Prince ! trying it now
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09:39<Guest217>@weasel: i have uploaded the errormesages to
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09:43<weasel>google suggests trying to turn off tcp segment offloading
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09:46<mekt>linux has a large # of FS modules which it is not using. Why might that be? It looks like it may be every supported FS is loaded.
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09:52<Guest221>hi, quick question: how do I access "experimental" versions of packages in debian squeeze?
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09:52<babilen>Guest221: you don't
09:53<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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09:54<babilen>Guest221: But to answer your question: 1. Add experimental sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run "aptitude update" 2. Install packages with "aptitude -t experimental install PKG" -- *you have been warned!* This can and will easily break your system. -- Which package do you want to install?
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10:00<Guest221>babilen: I'd like to install libimobiledevice 1.0.6 or 1.1.0
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10:00<babilen>,versions libimobiledevice
10:00<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libimobiledevice' was found in i386.
10:00<Guest217>@weasel: I played around with tcp and upd and new errors came up and i changed some other things and now: dhccpc0 login:
10:00<babilen>,versions libimobiledevice1
10:00<judd>Package libimobiledevice1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.4-2; wheezy: 1.0.4-2
10:00<Guest217>so i guess it is pretty much working :) I just dont know the password XD
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10:01<weasel>you probably haven't set one?
10:01<weasel>check etc/shadow's first line?
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10:02<babilen>Guest221: That is probably not one of the packages that will break your system. (the libimobiledevice-dev one)
10:02<Guest221>babilen: I could download libimobiledevice 1.0.6 from and manually install
10:02<Guest217>@weasel: first line of /etc/shadow/ "root:*:15060:0:99999:7:::"
10:02<weasel>so no password set
10:03<Guest217>but if i type "root" he is not asking me for a password and writes immediately "login incorrect"
10:03<babilen>Guest221: You might want to consider to install it locally to, for example, /usr/local/lib or in your home directory though. You'd then have to set the linker path correctly. Beware that the package in exp might pull in dependencies. Be *really* careful when you go that route
10:03<weasel>so, set a password
10:03<Guest217>how do I do that?
10:04<Guest217>write it where the "*" is?
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10:08<weasel>Guest217: chroot into the tree and run passwd?
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10:12<adavi92>есть, кто говорит по-русски
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10:12<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>can someone explain to me when (under what circumstances) the '.dpkg-new', '.dpkg-old' and '.dpkg-dist' files are created?
10:12<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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10:14<Guest217>now a password is set, but the client is not asking me for one. i can just enter the login-name "root" but then immedaitely he displays: "login incorrect"
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10:17<Guest217>I created a new user and now I can login. but still i dont know how to login as root
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10:19<Guest217>so it seems to be working
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10:20<Guest217>nano is working :) now i just have to figure out how to enable a graphical interface
10:20<Guest217>thanks again, weasel!
10:21<abcd82>Guest217: you can add your current user to sudo group, then "sudo passwd root" and create new password for root
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10:24<abcd82>no thats mistake, you cant modify groups if you aren't already in sudo group...., this will work only is one of users already is in sudo group ...
10:25<Guest217>@abcd82: sudo is not working in a chroot-environment, but also without sudo I can change the passwd for root. the problem is just that the client machine is not asking for a password. after i type in "root" he says immediately "login incorrect"
10:25<weasel>how are you trying to authenticate?
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10:26<weasel>have you changed the password yet?
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10:27<Guest217>@weasel: 1) yes, I changed it. 2) the client is just asking for "login
10:27<weasel>console, serial, telnet, ssh?
10:27<Guest217>I guess console? I just type it
10:28<weasel>is there a syslogd installed?
10:28<weasel>if so, what does var/log/auth.log say?
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10:29<SynrG>pulsar: just because my wife is here and she's sporting an obviously female nick does not give you the right to hit on her.
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10:30<Guest217>@weasel: tftpboot/var/log/auth.log and syslog is emtpy too
10:30<weasel>well, is there a syslogd installed?
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10:31<Guest217>I guess not.
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10:36<simena>hi, I am currently trying to install liblasso-perl on squeeze, but end up with missing a module ( I installed the same package on ubuntu with no problems. any suggestion what to do?
10:36<jbl>simena, using deb packages or via cpan?
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10:37<jbl>you may want to try via cpan
10:37<jbl>compare the version info from the packages you successfully installed, to the one giving you problems
10:38<jbl>see if they are the same version
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10:38<simena>jbl: dep packages
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10:39<jbl>likely if you want to stick to the deb packages, you will need to re-install the package (remove it first [purge])
10:39<simena>I saw someone reporting a problem with missing files, but that was from 2007, so I assumed it had been fixed
10:39<jbl>check the deb package versions
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10:41<jbl>sometimes newer versions are broken because of simple packaging mistakes
10:41<simena>okay cheers, will check it
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10:44<costas>hello all
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10:45<lord_rob>Hi ! Is there a package to force numlock on on every tty ? (or at least there was a script written somewhere in a manpage but I don't remember which one)
10:45<Guest217>ok, thanks at everybody for the help, i will eat something. bye!
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10:45<Guest217>hero of the day: weasel :D
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10:46<costas>lord_rob, mine is set via my BIOS
10:46<lord_rob>costas: mine too ;)
10:46<lord_rob>mine is unset via linux boot
10:46<costas>...therefore caps lock is in use on all ttys...
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10:47<simena>jbl: it say liblasso-perl/squeeze uptodate 2.3.5-squeeze0 , should I try installing a previous version?
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10:48<jbl>simena, try removing it and re-installing it (same version)
10:48<costas>caution ancient laptop users -like me-, latest kernel may cause your pointer to be invisible... use CTRL and just suspend your system, then it works like a charm
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10:50<jbl>costas, if you switch ttys (ctrl-alt F1) and then come back (ctrl-alt F7), that should also work to make your pointer reappear
10:51<jbl>..least it did for me
10:51<costas>jbl thanks for the tip, it works (at the moment I'm on my amd64 desktop, the laptop is under heavy fsck for today...
10:52<costas>it's that damn vga of my travelmate 2300...
10:52<costas>acer sucks big time
10:52<simena>jbl: same problem (missing after removing and reinstalling
10:53<costas>simena, apt-get didn't work?
10:53<jbl>simena, are you sure it's missing? if you do 'ls /usr/lib/perl5/'
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10:54<jbl>shows file not found?
10:54<simena>apt-get didn't work, and I am 100% sure it is missing
10:56<jbl>that's an odd one. whats your disk usage like?
10:56<jbl>no partitions at 100%
10:56<costas>checked via google...
10:57<simena>jbl: nope, 48% usage at most
10:57<costas>simena, latest error (no is dated 2008, should work for squeeze...
10:59<jbl> says that should be in there
10:59<Guest221>babilen: not sure how I set a linker path after installing into /usr/local/lib?
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10:59<jbl>so the only possibilites are that 1) there is a dpkg script error which prevented that particular file from being installed (but you'd see that on your screen)
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11:00<jbl>2) The package is corrupt or actually missing the file (unlikely)
11:00<costas>jbl, a full lasso remove and reinstall perhaps?
11:00<simena>jbl, costas: this is really weird.. did remove and install once more, and still no file present
11:01<costas>remove all lasso configs permanently (eg via synaptic) and try again
11:01<jbl>simena, well, I would say just place the file there manually if it's something you need urgently
11:01<costas>jbl, no stick with stable...
11:01<jbl>since at this point you're not trying to troubleshoot lasso, but the package manager
11:02<costas>the package manager is easy to fix with a "apt-get clean" and an "apt-get update" & "apt-get upgrade"
11:03<costas>update your sources.list too
11:03<jbl>simena, costas right, check that apt and dpkg are all up to date
11:03<simena>I will
11:04<costas>simena, if you're new on Debian, avoid hand-editing sources...
11:05<costas>I'm thinking installing Debian's free bsd on amd 64 anyone used that?
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11:06<costas>Debian's GNU/Linux is fine btw, but my left hand itches ;D
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11:06<MrFrood>costas: #debian-kbsd
11:06<costas>thanks MrFrood
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11:09<simena>jbl, costas: did a complete removal of configuration and installed the package again. is finally present
11:09<simena>thanks to both of you for assisting!
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11:12<costas>simena, stick with stable releases please, Debian is stable as a rock
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11:12<costas>!beer simena
11:12*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for simena
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11:12<Black_Prince>Also hard as rock to someone :P
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11:31<costas>catch me on facebook, I'm Mr. Costas Ganis...
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11:32<costas>catch you later, now trying to install Debian FreeBSD on my amd64... no luck needed, Debian ownz... bye bye now
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11:49<dutchfish>hi, i searched alot but not found how to autoboot a domU domain inside xen/squeeze/x86_64, is it still a symlink in /etc/xen/auto (that dir isnt there by default) or is there another debian preferred way wich the wiki didnt tell me?
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11:50<dutchfish>(writing a manual)
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11:53<linuxxx>anyone can explain me what --enable-dependency-tracking and --disable-dependency-tracking do as a parameters of configure script?
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12:02<Black_Prince>What does ./configure --help say about that?
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12:23<simon_>how can I prevent gdm from being loaded at startup? I had difficulties with my nvidia driver, now gdm loads the login screen and my pc freezes
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12:23<simon_>(using nv driver)
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12:24<simon_>I cannot switch to the console
12:24<diederik>simon_: uninstall it? and why not nouveau or the nvidia drivers from the repo?
12:25<simon_>funnily the cursor blinks in the login field
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12:25<simon_>because nouveau doesnt work
12:25<simon_>and I want 3d
12:25<simon_>but how can I deinstall gdm?
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12:25<callMeMud>wow much better in here than the Ubuntu room. Can barely follow a conversation with all the people screaming for help.
12:26<diederik>then isn't the nvidia driver better? (aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms)
12:26<simon_>or: how do I get a console before gdm starts?
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12:26<callMeMud>like on booting up?
12:26<diederik>simon_: Ctl+Alt+F1 doesn't work?
12:26<ompaul>simon_: got a second machine?
12:27<ompaul>ssh in and /etc/init.d/gdm stop while you try to gix
12:27<ompaul>fix that is
12:27<simon_>ah true, lets see
12:27<ompaul>simon_: what you asked for is not what you want ;-)
12:27<ompaul>yet at least
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12:29<simon_>I actually used ssh before, when the computer froze, why didnt i think of it now? ... anyone experience with nvidia driver on squeeze?
12:29<simon_>problem may be a failed upgrade
12:29<diederik>upgrade from what to what?
12:29<ompaul>simon_: first apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and see if that resolves it
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12:29<simon_>there is nothing left to do
12:30<simon_>but still, why would gdm freeze?
12:30<simon_>with the standard nv driver?
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12:30<diederik>check /var/log/ or ~/.xsession-errors
12:30<callMeMud>wouldn't that be in the x11 logs?
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12:31<diederik> /var/log/Xorg.0.log should that be
12:32<callMeMud>yea, keep in mind, gdm is at the mercy of X, although, X is much more simplistic and stable.
12:33<diederik>simon_: I have a great experience with the nvidia driver (!= nv driver)
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12:34<callMeMud>i just took a look at that Backtrack distro.
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12:34<callMeMud>after cracking two of my business networks I've setup, I got frustrated and shut it off :P
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12:35<simon_>EE: failed to initialize glx extension (compatible nvidia x driver not found)
12:35<simon_>^thats the error message
12:35<simon_>which I think is weird, because 1) I use the nv driver
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12:36<simon_>and 2) I uncommented the line for loading glx
12:36<callMeMud>I'm sure you've already done a check with apt for broken depends?
12:36<simon_>how do I do that?
12:36<simon_>I read and followed the release notes...
12:36<callMeMud>well if your using apt it's a switch
12:37<callMeMud>or you can use aptitude and it's a menu item.
12:37<callMeMud>sudo aptitude. Than ctrl t for the tabs.
12:37<diederik>or aptitude from the CLI
12:37<sney>aptitude -f install is probably what you're talking about
12:37<diederik>do an "aptitude update" and an "aptitude safe-upgrade" and you'll know if anything is broken
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12:38<callMeMud>oh yea, forgot they put that into the default command now.
12:39<diederik>simon_: you said you wanted 3D support, but the nv driver doesn't provide
12:40<diederik>see "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nv"
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12:44<simon_>my pc seems to be a mess right now... my gosh I am just happy I didnt try the upgrade yesterday...
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12:51<simon_>damn it, now I have hundreds of unresolved dependencies. My problem just is, that after most of the packages, it says "not installed".
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12:51<simon_>so i cannot even uninstall certain packages with dependency issues
12:52<simon_>because it says "already newest version"
12:52<simon_>no sorry, it says not installed
12:52<simon_>ah, it is so weird
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12:52<diederik>what are you running? stable/testing/sid?
12:53<simon_>well, now I am running something between lenny and squeeze
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12:54<babilen>simon_: At which step in the release notes are you? Can put some meaningful information in a pastebin?
12:54<babilen>*Can you
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12:54<simon_>well, the problem occured with the dist-upgrade, after I installed the new kernel and udev (pc booted, but since then I had no X server running anymore)
12:55<babilen>simon_: Ok, so you are at "4.4.6. Upgrading the system" ?
12:56<simon_>yes, precisely
12:56<simon_>there were some things that went wrong
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12:57<babilen>Ok, what errors do you get when you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? Can you put the output in a pastebin (use pastebinit if needed) ?
12:57<simon_>1. after I installed the new kernel 2.6.32-5-686, apt (stupid apt) installed another kernel on top (same one, just -486). But I did not have enough space on my boot partition for that kernel, I deinstalled it later again (supposably succesfully)
12:58<babilen>simon_: So you did not check if you have enough space ... but meh, don't want to blame you :)
12:58<simon_>2. dist-upgrade ended with some problem installing nvidia driver updates or something like that, X-server related (and nouveau driver related, maybe)
12:58<simon_>I did!
12:58<simon_>I even asked here
12:59<simon_>and the manual installation of the kernel went fine
12:59<ompaul>simon_: no you are supposed to say "I made this" ;-)
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12:59<simon_>it was apt who installed the same jernel (just 486)
12:59<simon_>and I didnot see that in the package listing, which is of course huge when making a dist-upgrade
12:59<ompaul>simon_: tbh - you did a du with insufficent resources - however have you cleaned out the old kernels?
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13:00<simon_>but why would apt install the 486 kernel anyway when i installed the 686?
13:00<simon_>I deinstalled the old kernels
13:00<simon_>and the systems boots fine, up til gdm
13:00<babilen>simon_: It is always a problem of the communication between you and your system. It is not apt doing this, it is you letting it do it/asking it to do it.
13:00<simon_>so that doesnt seem to be the problem
13:00<babilen>simon_: Ok, you you can get a console without problem?
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13:01<ompaul>babilen: he can ssh in to get a console
13:01<simon_>well, after I shut down gdm via ssh from another pc, yes ;-)
13:01*babilen would really like to see a pastebin of the errors
13:01<simon_>apt-get install -f doesnt show any problems with dependencies, only aptitude -f install does
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13:01<simon_>unfortunately, after the installation of the new kernel and the restart, I didn't script anymore the dist-upgrade
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13:02<babilen>what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" give you?
13:02<babilen>pity ...
13:02<simon_>nothing, now
13:02<babilen>simon_: And good that you scripted it.
13:02<simon_>0, 0, 0 and 0
13:03<babilen>simon_: Ok, paste the "aptitude -sf install" output please
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13:04<GCS>How should I use dh_install to install a file from upstream source?
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13:05<babilen>!tell GCS -about mentors
13:06<babilen>GCS: Ah, you are already there. Be patient.
13:06<GCS>babilen: Yes, already asked there.
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13:10<simon_>if someone else can help me:
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13:11<simon_>I just don't want this nouveau driver...
13:11<diederik>simon_: paste your sources.list
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13:12<MrFrood>simon_: what do you want?
13:13<simon_>a clean upgrade to squeete
13:13<MrFrood>what graphics driver?
13:13<simon_>without the nouveau driver (which wont let me install the nvidia driver)
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13:14<MrFrood>simon_: upgrade - then sort out the drivers?
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13:15<diederik>simon_: pastebin "aptitude search ~ixserver-xorg-video"
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13:16<sney>simon_: why not just let nouveau install, then install the nvidia driver after the upgrade is finished? You'll need to re-do the module-assistant/dkms for 2.6.32 anyway.
13:16<simon_>I ll try this now, yes.
13:16<sney>nouveau is blacklisted automatically by nvidia-kernel-common
13:16<simon_>but before the problem was, that i could not deinstall the nouveau driver
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13:16<simon_>because the module loaded automatically and you cannot unload it becaues it will always be "in use"
13:17<ompaul>you had other issues ... perhaps it is not as it appears at first
13:17<sney>that's what the blacklist is for. reboot and nouveau is prevented from loading.
13:18<sney>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau can't be removed because it's a dependency of xserver-xorg-video-all, which is in turn a dependency of xserver-xorg. try to remove it and it'll take X
13:18<lee-0>I´m trying to figure out how to make iceweasel use a particular program to display particular content, application/divx in this case. I can´t add anything via the settings dialog. Does anyone know how to do this?
13:18<simon_>well, I accepted aptitudes proposal and now ther are no dependency issues left
13:18<MrFrood>that said I'm having issues with noveau and the current squeeze kernel :(
13:19<simon_>you too?
13:19<sney>imho nouveau shouldn't have been included in a 'stable' release, it's basically a brand new driver and it has a lot of *issues*... I understand _why_ they did it, but I still don't agree
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13:19<MrFrood>since the last kernel upgrade - not tried to fix it yet though
13:19<ompaul>sney: you and a lot of others
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13:20<sney>but sticking nouveau in a modprobe.d blacklist file prevents it from loading and gets it out of your hair completely, so it's not fatal
13:20<MrFrood>the stable kernel will not boot, freezes when the framebuffer starts up :(
13:20<simon_>I did that
13:20<simon_>but what is your suggestion for the xorg.conf?
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13:20<simon_>"nv" doesnt work
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13:21<sney>simon_: the reason nouveau was included is because "nv" stops supporting cards after a certain age. your only options are nouveau, nvidia, and vesa
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13:21<MrFrood>simon_: use the offical drivers if you can - I cannot at the moment
13:22<simon_>i tried before, but Ill try again. lets see what happens
13:22<sney>you can just stick "vesa" in there for basic functionality
13:22<sney>no dri, no glx, no nothing but it'll give you the gui
13:22*MrFrood *winces*
13:22<sney>just duct tape during the troubleshooting process, MrFrood
13:23<MrFrood>I know
13:23<MrFrood>wait until I start debugging my problem - I'll need all the duct tape I can get ;)
13:24<simon_>the prop. Nvidia driver compiles but ends with an error: "unable to load kernel module nvidia.ko"
13:24<sney>simon_: what method are you using for the nvidia drivers? dkms?
13:24<simon_>and it continues... this happens probably because another driver occupies the device (such as NOUVEAU)
13:25<simon_>well, sh
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13:25<sney>!why nvidia installer sucks
13:25<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
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13:25<sney>use dkms.
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13:25<sney>!nvidia dkms
13:25<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
13:25<simon_>well,k I dont want to use the nvidia driver
13:25<sney>what card do you have?
13:26<simon_>nvidia geforce 7600 GT
13:26<MrFrood>sney: why not?
13:26<sney>MrFrood: why not what?
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13:26<MrFrood>sorry simon: why not?
13:26<simon_>if he meant me: for the reasons dpkg just mentioned
13:26<simon_>^^ and because it says so in the wiki (that the deb way is the one to go)
13:26<sney>simon_: I'm pretty sure it's too new for nv, so your only options are a) nouveau, b) vesa, c) nvidia and d) sell it and buy ati or something
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13:27<simon_>haha, earlier (5 years ago) I bought nvidia because it had better linux support
13:27<diederik>simon_: dpkg means the .run file, but there are debian packages (in non-free)
13:28<MrFrood>simon_: it has
13:28<simon_>well, I tried the debian packages, as described in the wiki on
13:28<diederik>and ...
13:28<MrFrood>nvidia still have offical drivers that work for cards over a decade old
13:29<simon_>did not work. gdm tried 3 times and stopped because module could not be loaded
13:29<simon_>I tried with gdm3, haha, even funnier, because it wont stop after 3 times, it stays in that loop of trying to boot the login manager... no chance of stopping it, except with another pc and ssh
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13:30<ompaul>simon_: got a second machine?
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13:30<simon_>yes, using it for irc and web
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13:31<MrFrood>hmm no factoid
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13:31<ompaul>simon_: how does this read: scp important data from one to the other ... then do a clean install with enough room for upgrades
13:31<ompaul>MrFrood: just as well anything with --force should be shot in the head over and over until it learns
13:31<MrFrood>simon_: very unoffical but I find the sgfxi script the easiest way to install the offical drivers on debian
13:32<diederik>simon_: do you mix apt-get and aptitude?
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13:33<simon_>ha, even with the vesa driver, dgm hangs, no mouse and no keyboard...
13:33<MrFrood>ompaul: if it works and makes life easy I don't really care aout kluges :|
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13:34<simon_>shuoldn vesa even work without a graphic card??
13:35<ompaul>simon_: did you see the "back up" start again comment
13:35<ompaul>MrFrood: some kludges leave torn and bleeding machines behind them and machines unable to upgrade safely which I find objectionable :)
13:36<MrFrood>ompaul: never had an issue with the script
13:36<simon_>well, how to go back? the system is crushed now, isnt it? I made a backup of those apt-and aptitude dirs, but I dont know how to restore the system again...
13:36<ompaul>simon_: you don't restore you do a fresh install
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13:37<simon_>yeah, i probably have to do that...
13:37<simon_>stupid, is just like windows.
13:37<ompaul>simon_: get cd1 or dvd1 from the nearest location burn it and let it run
13:37<ompaul>simon_: that is not fair by a long chalk, this all started because there was insufficent room
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13:38<simon_>I think this has nothing to do with the lacking space on my boot partition, but rather with the nouveau/nvidia driver problem
13:39<diederik>simon_: did you install the vesa driver?
13:39<diederik>If so, you should be able to purge nouveau
13:39<simon_>oh, no. hehe, thought it would be inluded already
13:39<diederik>don't assume, check
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13:40<simon_>ah, and it is alreadyon my system
13:40<ompaul>diederik: that machine has had so many things done to it in the last 24/48 hours it should be sent to a home for the bewildered ;-) it may be 1 min from fixing or infinity there is no way to know
13:41<diederik>let aptitude purge nouveau, maybe let it offer some suggestions
13:41<diederik>ompaul: you're probably right
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13:46<sney>diederik: in squeeze, nouveau is a dependency of xserver-xorg, so it can't be purged ... just blacklisted, or the module renamed so it can't be found
13:48<diederik>sney: don't agree with you, if you install a package providing xserver-xorg-video-6 you've satisfied the dependency
13:48<diederik>so installing xserver-xorg-video-vesa does satisfy the dependency
13:49<diederik>xserver-xorg-{input|video}-all are not needed
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13:52<s_i_m>and yet in old good times one installed different xserver builds for different video cards...
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13:53<ompaul>s_i_m: bullet proof X there ya go :)
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13:53<vlad>Can someone please help me? Look at what is going on here:
13:54<sney>vlad: what am I looking at here
13:54<vlad>This happens about 5 mins after i boot my comp.
13:55<ompaul>every time you boot or just this time?
13:55<vlad>Every time
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13:55<ompaul>vlad: does your computer have fans blowing air out?
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13:56<sney>vlad: what does it do before it gets to that point
13:57<vlad>Nothing. It just happens randomly.
13:57<s_i_m>vlad, nvidia video card?
13:57<abcd82>vlad: check screensaver if in gnome, turn it off and test
13:57<vlad>No its ATI :(
13:57<sney>ati is somewhat less of a headache these days
13:58<vlad>My comp is a dell studio 1536.
13:58<sney>vlad: I mean, how far into the boot do you get? is the system fully functioning before it happens, or is it before the login? when does it happen?
13:59<vlad>It is fully working. Then i start using it and a min later that happens.
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14:00<abcd82>5min thing was default for gnome screensaver
14:00<sney>vlad: has this computer ever had thermal issues in the past?
14:00<vlad>Yes so i applied some tx-4
14:00<sney>vlad: also, can you ssh into it when the screen is locked up like that?
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14:00<vlad>I dont know how to
14:00<pes502>hi all !!
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14:01<vlad>Me boing a newb a linux
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14:01<s_i_m>vlad, anything happen if you press Ctl-Alt-F1?
14:01<sney>pes502: welcome back
14:01<pes502>i have got Debian :D
14:01<pes502>i another external HDD :D
14:01<vlad>Have not tried
14:01<sney>pes502: nice
14:01<MrFrood>pes502: YAY!!!
14:01<abcd82>pes502: congrats :)
14:01<pes502>yes, but i dont know, how can i run it durign console :D
14:01<pes502>thanks all
14:02<ompaul>pes502: well done
14:02<pes502>how command is for Linux start?
14:02<ompaul>pes502: what did you install?
14:02<pes502>or have you got "command list" or some guide for Linux?
14:03<MrFrood>pes502: start the desktop?
14:03<pes502>ompaul: i dont know ... automatic :/
14:03<ompaul>we could point you at many
14:04<ompaul>pes502: have you another machine with a web browser?
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14:06<pes502>not now :(
14:06<pes502>now im in Windows 7 on my PC :D
14:06<pes502>when i want linux ... i must reboot :D
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14:06<sney>pes502: dpkg has a message for you
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14:11<babilen>pes502: yay \o/
14:11<jhutchins_lt>!general cli tutorial
14:11<dpkg> or,, or
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14:11<pes502>my second external device (with problems) i was testing in my second PC
14:12<pes502>thanks for links :)
14:12<babilen>!champagne pes502
14:12*dpkg puts on a black catsuit and showers pes502 in the finest Crystal champagne.
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14:13<abcd82>pes502: seagate one had bad blocks?
14:13<pes502>abcd82: maybe ... I dont know now
14:13<pes502>now Im using Western Digital 40GB (IDE disk)
14:14<pes502>and no problem :)
14:14<abcd82>pes502: yesterday formated to ntfs ok?
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14:15<pes502>abcd82: no :D in 95% formating i was disconnect disk from USB .... i want disconnect my USB stick and i was pulled out bad cable :D
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14:16<pes502>but Windows formating the disk more than 6 hours ... its strange
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14:20<sney>pes502: sounds like bad blocks, maybe you can rma it
14:20<abcd82>pes502: when installed debian on second disk you used same usb adapter or another
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14:21<pes502>abcd82: the same
14:21<pes502>abcd82: all the same, only another disk
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14:23<Class>hello what kernel module do i need for Iptables loging ?
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14:31<s_i_m>Class, just use LOG target
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14:41<Class>s_i_m, I'm using but it does not works
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14:43<Class>i have even created separated file for iptables to log but it does not works
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14:44<pes502>how can i find, if i have got graphical interface (GNOME or KDE) installed?
14:45<pes502>command "startx" not working, so I dont know, if I was installed graphical interface :/
14:45<SynrG>probably not, then. how did you install?
14:45<Class>pes502, type whereis startx
14:46<tiako>I had the same problem pes502 the dvd I burned was bad.
14:47<pes502>Class: ok
14:47<simon_>Ha, now I got the nouveau driver to work... weird. I never changed the driver in the xorg.conf to "nouveau". That should really be done automatically... Well,... I have to see about 3d support another day.
14:47<tiako>Is this the best method to get the latest version of wine on squueze?
14:48<tiako>When I did apt-get install wine it was a really old version
14:48<giff>I think he meant !wine
14:48*MrFrood wonders what dpkg is somking?
14:48<mSc3I9z8Ih3N>can someone explain to me when (under what circumstances) the '.dpkg-new', '.dpkg-old' and '.dpkg-dist' files are created?
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14:49<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
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14:49<MrFrood>tiako: just seeing if the bot had a factoid
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14:49<giff>MrFrood, you typed a dot
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14:50*MrFrood did mean !wine :-/
14:50<tiako>I was over at the wine channel but didn't really understand how to install it from their link
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14:50<tiako>This other link looks much easier way to install but I was not sure if its out of date.
14:51<giff>MrFrood, dpkg doesn't yet read what people think or meant :P
14:51<MrFrood>tiako: unless you use something that needs the latest version it is better to use the packaged version
14:51<MrFrood>I only use it for spotify
14:52<tiako>The version I ended up getting was 1.0 from apt-get
14:52<tiako>It was not playing nice with steam
14:52<jhutchins_lt>,versions wine
14:52<judd>Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
14:52<MrFrood>giff: but what is dpgk smoking?
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14:53<tiako>Will version of wine 1.2 give me problems?
14:53<giff>MrFrood, yum, obviously
14:53<jhutchins_lt>tiako: crossover generally posts a list of what programs work in wine and in their commercial products.
14:53*MrFrood giggles
14:54<jhutchins_lt>tiako: Games tend to do a lot of direct hardware access, and therefore tend not to work in emulators and vm's.
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14:54<jhutchins_lt>tiako: wine releases new versions constantly, I think on a weekly basis.
14:54<pes502>Is this bad? :D =
14:54<MrFrood>tiako: have you thought about building from source? (not that I am recomending it)
14:55<jhutchins_lt>tiako: The versions released by debian in stable have been tested and are known not to be unstable or to damage the system.
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14:55<juhov>pes502: not really, you just don't have xinit installed by the looks of it
14:55<giff>pes502, likely not, what about apt-cache policy xorg
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14:55<MrFrood>jhutchins_lt: hasn't the debain wine maintainer gone awol?
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14:55<jhutchins_lt>juhov: xinit has nothing to do with x.
14:55<pes502>I dont understand :D
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14:56<pes502>about what are u speaking :D
14:56<jhutchins_lt>MrFrood: Not that I know of.
14:56<tiako>I was thinking about getting it from source
14:56<giff>pes502, type the command I gave you: apt-cache policy xorg
14:56<tiako>Thats what #wine suggested
14:56<juhov>jhutchins_lt: despite the fact that startx is in xinit package?
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14:56<giff>pes502, does it say Installed: followed by version number?
14:56<MrFrood>jhutchins_lt: I thought that came up last time wine was discussed
14:56<pes502>giff: thanks, I gonna to try it
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14:57<MrFrood>pes502: wine allows some windows programs to work on linux
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14:58<tiako>When I was using wine on ubuntu every program I threw at it worked.
14:58<tiako>Now I can't even get steam to install with 1.0 wine
14:58<jhutchins_lt>juhov: Sorry, I was thinking of xinEt
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14:58<MrFrood>tiako: probally a newer version
14:58<tiako>Thats what I figure too
14:59<tiako>1.0 doesn't seem to cut it because I was playing Starcraft II, WOW, TF2, STeam, Starcraft
14:59<jhutchins_lt>I note that xinit is not installed by default on squeeze (don't have it here)
14:59<jhutchins_lt>tiako: Not everything works in wine.
14:59<MrFrood>tiako: there used to be newer deb packages on the winehq web-site?
14:59<giff>tiako, I'd suggest to stick to the advice given on #wine and compile the latest version
14:59<s_i_m>tiako, ubuntu most likely has the same version you can get from the official site of wine
15:00<giff>ubuntu got 1.2.2 in maverick
15:00*jhutchins_lt wonders what the motivation would be for programmers to provide free software to play commercial games without paying for windows?
15:00<tiako>Im going to try to install 1.2
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15:02<dominique>hi there
15:02<Class>can someone help me with iptables logging ? i does not logs i check /var/log/massage and syslog there was not iptable logs so i added in rsyslog following: kern.warning -/var/log/iptables.log, but iptables.log is empty here is my iptables configuration and here is my kernel modules
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15:02<dominique>I got some issues with my sound card running on debian squeeze.. could someone help me?
15:03<pes502>command "apt-cache policy xorg" == Cant find xorg package ... or something that
15:03<MrFrood>dominique: can you be more specific?
15:03<s_i_m>dominique, what issues?
15:03<MrFrood>pes502: it's not installed then
15:03<pes502>MrFrood: ok, how can i install it during console? :(
15:03<giff>pes502, N: Unable to locate package xorg?
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15:04<MrFrood>pes502: aptitude install xorg
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15:05<pes502>thanks and what is xorg?
15:05<abcd82>problem that pes502 is using wireless, so aptitude wont work yet
15:05<dominique>I've installed debian squeeze 6.0.1 on my hp g42-230br, which has a realtek hd audio card and I've downloaded and installed the driver from realtek website. Now the sound works on plugins like flash player but I can't play mp3 or videos from my hard disk
15:05<giff>pes502, xorg is the x window system, you still need a wm
15:05<dominique>on the multimedia setup, i can see the audio card
15:05<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
15:05<tiako>Well the method of install I got was 1.1.42 maybe that will work
15:06<ompaul>pes502: aptitude update && aptitude install lxde* << you will get desktop environment a lightweight one
15:06<dominique>i'm a linux begginer. that's my first time installing and configuring it.. i've just migrated from windows, so i'm kind of lost
15:06<pes502>but I using WIFI only :/
15:06<pes502>and i need firmware for it
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15:07<MrFrood>dominique: try the alsactl command above, if that fails fire up alsamixer and check the settings
15:07<ompaul>!tell dominique about multimedia
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15:07<ompaul>dominique: there is a message from dpkg which will tell you about multimedia codecs
15:07<giff>pes502, you have no ethernet available at all?
15:07<pes502>giff: i havent got ethernet
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15:07<s_i_m>Class, why do you expect your iptables configuration to work?
15:07<pes502>only wifi
15:08<MrFrood>pes502: can you download on another machine and save to cd?
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15:08<Class>s_i_m, coz i have this rule -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j LOG_DROP
15:08<s_i_m>Class, you created LOG_DROP chain, but it is empty
15:09<s_i_m>-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j LOG
15:09<pes502>MrFrood: yes I can ... but i can save only to USB stick
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15:09<MrFrood>pes502: we need to get your wifi working first
15:09<s_i_m>Class, this will work
15:09<pes502>MrFrood: now im in wifi :)
15:10<pes502>but now I'm in WIN 7
15:10<dominique>I got his messagem from !alsactl
15:10<dominique>alsactl init
15:10<Class>s_i_m, thanks i will try
15:10<dominique>Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel IbexPeak HDMI" "HDA:10ec0270,103c1425,00100100 HDA:80862804,80860101,00100000" "0x103c" "0x1425"
15:10<dominique>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
15:10<MrFrood>ok, I don't do wifi so I'm stepping out but can someone talk him through installing the firmware and stuff
15:10<dominique>I used mandriva for one week before debian, in a preinstalled version / computer and there was a pulse audio option on the multimedia settings
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15:11<jhutchins_lt>dominique: You still need alsa.
15:11<dominique>but on debian, i can only see the audio card.. i guess this pulse audio options has something to do with it
15:11<jhutchins_lt>dominique: It's probably the new hda intel sound.
15:11<dominique>i installed pulseaudio, but i didn't go to multimedia settings
15:11<jhutchins_lt>dominique: lspci -nn will show you the eight digit pciid, paste that here.
15:12<jhutchins_lt>dominique: pulseaudio breaks more things than it fixes, and you have to get alsa working first anyway.
15:12<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Which release did you install?
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15:13<dominique>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05)
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15:13<dominique>this one?
15:13<MrFrood>pes502: do you know the chipset of your wifi card?
15:13<Hydroxide>which reminds me, I ought to try pulseaudio :P I've always had the same reaction as jhutchins_lt, but apparently it lets you easily control audio from different applications separately, which sounds quite useful. (e.g. browser vs music player)
15:13<Griob>using aptitude, what do the letters beside packages mean? (like in search)
15:13<pes502>MrFrood: Intel
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15:13<Black_Prince>Pulseaudio rocks
15:13<pes502>MrFrood: I need 5000 firmware ...
15:13<pes502>or something that
15:14<dominique>i also have installed alsa
15:14<MrFrood>Black_Prince: pulse sucks makes the sterieo focus all mushy not to mention the latency :(
15:14<s_i_m>Black_Prince, for it to rock you must use it in a non-trivial manner
15:14<ZykoticK9>Hydroxide, being able to record from output is pretty hand as well (an analog hole of sorts)
15:14<Black_Prince>Rockz for me ...
15:14<s_i_m>normally, alsa and dmix is what one needs.
15:14<Hydroxide>ZykoticK9: ya. I hear it's like JACK but user-friendlier
15:15<MrFrood>Can someone who knows about wifi help per502 please?
15:15<ZykoticK9>Hydroxide, i've never gotten JACK working :( haven't tried in years mind you.
15:15<Black_Prince>pes502 maybe firmware-iwlwifi is what you need
15:15<pes502>Black_Prince: yes! thats true!
15:15<jhutchins_lt>Hydroxide: It's also not a finished product, there are components that haven't even been released yet.
15:15<Hydroxide>ZykoticK9: I did, a long time ago :)
15:15<jhutchins_lt>Hydroxide: It can be difficult to even find something as basic as a mixer for it.
15:16<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: well, i can always uninstall it :)
15:16<Black_Prince>it provides iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode and iwlwifi-5150-2.ucode firmware
15:16<MrFrood>Black_Prince: he's downloading packages on one machine and using a usb stick to transfer them
15:16<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: and I have someone I know in person who can help me fix it
15:16<pes502>Black_Prince: yes
15:16<pes502>Black_Prince: this files i need = wlwifi-5000-1.ucode iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode
15:16<Black_Prince>Do you have it installed?
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15:16<pes502>Black_Prince: no
15:16<Class>s_i_m, not working
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15:16<Black_Prince>pes502 then choose your arch here and download it
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15:17<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: also, debian has several mixers and such for it
15:17<Black_Prince>*sigh* it's for all architectures
15:17<dominique>is there another alsa i can get?
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15:18<Black_Prince>Yes, that's it
15:18<Black_Prince>Install it with dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28_all.deb
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15:18<dominique>.alsa-utils command not found
15:18<s_i_m>Class, iptables -L -v
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15:19<pes502>Black_Prince: in Linux start console?
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15:19<MrFrood>pes502: yes
15:19<Black_Prince>You first need to transfer that file to computer you want to install it, then as root you run that command
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15:19<Black_Prince>or via su/sudo ...
15:20<jhutchins_lt>dominique: If you would post the information I asked for earlier - the pciid from lspci -nn - we could identify your hardware and find the proper driver for it. Until you do that you'll get no where.
15:20<abcd82>pes502: you know how to mount drives in linux?
15:21<pes502>abcd82: no
15:21<pes502>abcd82: i searching it in google now :D
15:21<tiako>so the new version of wine installed steam but I can't find the steam.exe now
15:21<dominique>jhutchins_lt: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05)
15:21<Black_Prince>pes502, do fdisk -l (your usb may be /dev/sdb1 if you have only one hard drive)
15:22<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Yup, intel hda
15:22<Black_Prince>Then do mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
15:22<f8l>What is the command that reports installed packages in order of usage time?
15:22<jhutchins_lt>pciid 8086:3b56
15:22<jhutchins_lt>,pciid 8086:3b56
15:22<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
15:22<dominique>jhutchins_lt: is that bad?
15:22<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: actually, it appears that KDE 4.4 supports pulseaudio mixing without needing anything external :-)
15:23<jhutchins_lt>Hydroxide: I have nothing I need pulseaudio for, I consider it pure bloat.
15:23<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: requiring it is definitely bloat, yes.
15:23<jhutchins_lt>dominique: which release are you on?
15:23<pes502>Im going to try it now
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15:24<dominique>jhutchins_lt: i think the driver is working properly.. the speakers work and the headset work, but only with flash plugins
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15:24<tiako>And I keep getting bad exe install on wine
15:24<dominique>jhutchins_lt: i'm using debian squeeze 6.0.1
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15:25<jhutchins_lt>dominique: Then you should be ok on the driver. alsa-utils might be useful. pulseaudio might cause problems like that.
15:25<dominique>kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64
15:25<jhutchins_lt>dominique: You're in gnome, right?
15:25<dominique>no, i'm in kde
15:25<dominique>kde version 4.4.5
15:26<dominique>how do i get alsa-utils?
15:26<jhutchins_lt>dominique: You might look at the audio settings for kde then.
15:27<dominique>jhutchins_lt: I also have gnome installed, and the same problem occurs
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15:27<s_i_m>Class, your log rule is not matching any packets (see 0 in the first column)
15:27<s_i_m>Class, it is probably because you have not tried accessing ssh from an IP not matching the rules above
15:27<s_i_m>Class, the only case you tried is in line no. 7
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15:28<cannesahs>is there some script or parameters for insserv to clear and generate all initscript links to rc?.d again?
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15:29<Class>s_i_m, you are right :), but 14 1856 LOG tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh LOG level warning
15:29<Class>now what ? i cant find logs
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15:30<s_i_m>Class, if you want to log _all_ accesses, move the log rule up, before the first ssh rule.
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15:32<s_i_m>Class, should show up in syslog
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15:33<Class>s_i_m, i move it up but i cant see logs in syslog :((
15:33<s_i_m>Class, you could break your syslog configuration before
15:34<dominique>i tried alsa unload and this is what i got, but still the same problem:Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc.
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15:35<dominique>the mixer now show "dummy output" and no more the "hda output"
15:35<Class>s_i_m, i return syslog config as it was
15:35<Black_Prince>Err, Problems with snd-hda-intel *can* be solved by specifing model ...
15:35<tiako>lol compiz just started working.. I have been trying for days to get it to work..
15:35<s_i_m>Class, well, then you are on your own. here it works as a charm.
15:36<Class>okay thanks for your help :)))
15:36<dominique>black_prince: the model is 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05)
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15:37<Black_Prince>What is the chipset of your laptop/computer?
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15:38<pes502>I have got problem with mounting devices :(
15:39<Black_Prince>pes502 what is the problem?
15:39<pes502>and /dev/sdb1 is a external HDD with Linux .... I need mount my external USB stick
15:39<Class>s_i_m, is it possible to monitor iptables logging without viewing log file itself ?
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15:39<Black_Prince>You did not get me
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15:40<Black_Prince>you only do 'fdisk -l' (without the quotes) to find out what disks you have attached to your computer
15:40<pes502>i cant
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15:40<Black_Prince>only 'fdisk -l' nothing else
15:40<pes502>fdisk is inexistent command
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15:40<abcd82>pes502: you need to type "mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt"
15:40<pes502>fdisk -l -> unkown command
15:41<pes502>abcd82: ok
15:41<pes502>heh ... Linux is hard :D but its cool
15:41<thewanderer1>pes502: fdisk is supposed to be run as root. other than that, similar info is in file /proc/partitions, you can read it... as a side note
15:41<pes502>thewanderer1: ok thanks
15:41<pes502>I going to try my new experiences :D
15:42<cannesahs>fdisk is dangerous ;) don't mess it with randomly ^-^
15:42<Black_Prince>pes502 ... write this to a paper or something if you cannot remember
15:42<Black_Prince>But just do as I say
15:42<abcd82>pes502: every command like mount, fdisk supports "--help" option it will print usage
15:42<pes502>yes i have :D
15:42<Black_Prince>fdisk -l (small letter L not capital i)
15:42<pes502>Black_Prince: i know
15:42<Black_Prince>You will see some disks and partitions
15:42<pes502>thanks all
15:42<s_i_m>Class, I am not sure what you mean. if you just want to see if a rule matches or not, you can see it in the iptables -L -v output
15:43<Black_Prince>If you know what disk is your usb
15:43<pes502>brb :D
15:43<Black_Prince>Do 'mount /dev/sdxy /mnt'
15:43<pes502>Black_Prince: ok
15:43<Black_Prince>where /dev/sdxy is partition from fdisk -l output
15:43<pes502>i was wrote it into my paper :D
15:43<Black_Prince>your usb contents will be in /mnt
15:43<pes502>ok, bye
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15:44*phillipsjk finally see the reason for the error (sdb1 would be the first partion of the second disk--no partition table there)
15:44<Black_Prince>/dev/sdb is his external hdd
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15:45<phillipsjk>yes, I saw that.
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15:45<aav>првиет всем
15:45<Class>s_i_m, i meat can i access what iptables block swithout viewing txt log file ?
15:45<Class>s_i_m, i meat can i access what iptables blocks without viewing txt log file ?*
15:46<aav>русско языченые есть ?
15:46<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell aav about ru
15:46<tiako>Hey guys how do I get winbind package for debian squezze?
15:46<Class>aav, da
15:46<thewanderer1>!tell aav about ru
15:46<Black_Prince>tiako apt-get install winbind
15:46<tiako>ah thanks
15:46<daemonkeeper>thewanderer1: First! :o)
15:47<thewanderer1>daemonkeeper: sorry, I missed that. I hope they don't cancel each other out :D
15:47<tiako>I hope that fixes it
15:47<tiako>I have installed Steam 3 times and have no idea where the installs are going
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15:50<pes502>my USB stick is /deb/sdbc1 :D
15:51<pes502>i mount it ... but console say some warning about UTF8 and FAT32 or something that, but device is mounted
15:51<phillipsjk>tiako wine hides stuff in ~/.wine
15:51<pes502>heh, wait a minute
15:51<Black_Prince>pes it's just warning
15:52<pes502>Black_Prince: yes I know, where is the problem
15:52<pes502>bye :D
15:52<pes502>my mistake
15:52<tiako>It shouldn't hide the install tho
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15:52<tiako>The steam folder has a website link but no steam
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15:53<meglaw>not i dont get it, i opend up ssl and https and it works just fine but not 6668
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15:53<meglaw>meglaw@love:~$ nmap -P0
15:53<meglaw>Starting Nmap 5.00 ( ) at 2011-03-27 21:52 CEST
15:53<meglaw>Interesting ports on (
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15:53<meglaw>i fail
15:54<phillipsjk>tiako: did you try following the website link?
15:54<tiako>I used this..
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15:56<tiako>I might unisntall it and try to get 1.2
15:56<tiako>Or whatever the latest version is
15:56<tiako>I don't think these older versions are going to cut it
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15:58<pes502>dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28_all.deb -> directory or file inexistent
15:58*dpkg installs firmware-iwlwifi_0.28_all.deb -> directory or file inexistent into pes502's head with a bone saw and a few screws
15:58<phillipsjk>taiko didi the steam installer seen to run OKay?
15:58<Black_Prince>pes502 have you put that file on your usb stick?
15:58<pes502>Black_Prince: yes
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15:58<Black_Prince>and you mounted your usb stick to /mnt right?
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15:59<tiako>The steam installer did seem to run ok but steam ran like crap and I couldnt find the exe
15:59<pes502>yes mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
15:59<abcd82>pes502: you cd to /mnt?
15:59<Black_Prince>and you switched to /mnt ?
15:59<Black_Prince>Do you know how to change directories in linux?
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15:59<pes502>i dont know nothing
16:00<Black_Prince>I should have known that ...
16:00<babilen>... one has to start somewhere :)
16:00<pes502>I have been in console for first time :D
16:00<Black_Prince>After running the mount command ...
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16:00<Black_Prince>you run 'cd /mnt' and then 'dpkg -i ...'
16:00<Black_Prince>and after that
16:00<Black_Prince>reboot into linux again ... mount your usb drive to /mnt again
16:00<Black_Prince>and copy your /var/log/kern.log to usb
16:00<phillipsjk>tiako the exe would be in a directory like /home/tiako/.wine/c/Program Files/Steam (probably not exact)
16:01<abcd82>pes502: you need to do some theory, it's boring and all, but you need it, here is good manual
16:01<Black_Prince>like this 'cp /var/log/kern.log /mnt'
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16:01<Black_Prince>so we can see what progress you have made :)
16:01<Black_Prince>good luck
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16:09<pes502>mount command and dpkg-i is sucessfull :)
16:09<babilen>welcome back
16:09<pes502>and i have got kern log here
16:10<babilen>pes502: We are quite proud of you :)
16:10<Black_Prince>Pastebin your last 20 lines of kern.log ?
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16:11<pes502>20 lines? :D
16:11<Black_Prince>last 20 lines ...
16:11<Black_Prince>It should be few thousand lines ...
16:11<Black_Prince>Considering how many times you have reboot
16:12<Black_Prince>I need few more ... :D
16:13<Black_Prince>Pastebin last 50 lines
16:13<tiako>Where do I get 32bit dev libraries?
16:13<Black_Prince>tiako ia32-libs-dev
16:13<tiako>or is that the best way?
16:13<tiako>Wine 64bit?
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16:14<babilen>!tell tiako -about aptitude search
16:14<babilen>!tell tiako -about search
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16:14<Black_Prince>pes502 what is before iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 5100AGN REV=0x54
16:15<pes502>more than 8000 lines :D
16:15<Black_Prince>Well, I asked for it
16:15<babilen>yeah, you did :-D
16:15<pes502>want u copy of my log file?
16:15<Black_Prince>So your answer is very good ...
16:15<pes502>heh thanks :D
16:16<Black_Prince>upload it to sendspace
16:16<Black_Prince>and private mssage me the linkl
16:16<pes502>i going to upload it to my server ;)
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16:20<mehdi_>can some 1 tell me how can i get this for linux ?
16:20<pes502>Black_Prince: link send via PM :)
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16:20<tiako>I installed the 32bit libraries but it still says I need to install them
16:21<babilen>tiako: What are you doing and what says it? Could you paste a transcript of that dialogue?
16:21<Black_Prince>I see
16:21<Black_Prince>It looks like driver is loaded correctly
16:22<tiako>annot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries.
16:22<pes502>:) so what now?
16:22<tiako>compile wine 1.3
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16:22<Black_Prince>pes502 does your access point use wep/wpa?
16:23<pes502>Black_Prince: WEP
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16:24<Black_Prince>So we will need to do the hard way ...
16:24<Black_Prince>Since you do not have a gui ...
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16:24<pes502>Black_Prince: :D
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16:25<phillipsjk>!tell mehdi_ about install java
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16:27<mehdi_>i already install jdownloader but seems i dont have that plugin or doesnt get the link and in JD irc dont seem to answer
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16:27<Black_Prince>pes502, you using intel 386 or amd 64 system?
16:27<babilen>tiako: -- see "Building Wine on 64-bit Debian Testing" -- although the symlink section looks scary
16:28<tiako>I saw that..
16:28<tiako>Will 64bit run better?
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16:28<pes502>Black_Prince: amd 64
16:28<pes502>Black_Prince: so you think Debian version?
16:28<Griob>how can i set up debian squeeze with a static ip? the manual (debian squeeze static IP's google search first hit) for debian says nothing useful, that i can find
16:28<babilen>tiako: I have no idea, no real interest in wine
16:29<daemonkeeper>Griob: interfaces(5)
16:29<Black_Prince>pes502 download these files and
16:29<babilen>Griob: And additionally: +
16:30<Black_Prince>err it's the same
16:30<Griob>the first there says nothing, that is the page i was refering to
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16:30<Black_Prince>Or not
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16:30<babilen>Black_Prince: its not :)
16:30<pes502>Black_Prince: files downloaded
16:30<Black_Prince>pes502 put them on your usb stick
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16:31<babilen>Griob: It does, read:
16:31<phillipsjk>mehdi_ from the page you linked to, it looks like a stand-alone application. You would invoke it with "java ./appname" (dropping ./ if it is in the search path)
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16:32<babilen>Griob: But also take a look at the wiki. You basically want "iface eth0 inet static" followed by things like the gateway, netmask, ip address , ...
16:33<babilen>Griob: Also note the "auto" stanza ...
16:33<mehdi_>i know philip in this linux for windows it have sth that manage MU links
16:33<mehdi_>i want to know is possible for linux
16:33<mehdi_>to have that thing
16:34<thewanderer1>mehdi_: the website says: "JDownloader is written in JAVA, so it can be run on Windows, Linux and Mac." ...
16:34<Griob>what is broadcast in interfaces?
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16:35<mehdi_>and check under the download button
16:35<phillipsjk>mehdi_ if it has a plugin portion, you can try dropping it in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory.
16:35<babilen>Griob: You broadcast address.
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16:36<mehdi_>it says only for windows
16:36<thewanderer1>Griob: hint: you do not have to specify it by hand, it is calculated automatically from the netmask and network
16:36<Griob>on a normal home network what is this? is there a standard?
16:36<Griob>oh ok
16:36<mehdi_>philip u mean sth like flashgot?
16:36<Griob>what do i set network to?
16:36<phillipsjk>mehdi_, yes.
16:36<Griob>, the lowest ip?
16:36<pes502>im back
16:36<daemonkeeper>If that is your network, yes.
16:37<thewanderer1>Griob: you don't have to set network either, it's calculated
16:37<pes502>files is in USB stick
16:37<pes502>what now
16:37<Black_Prince>Welcome back
16:37<thewanderer1>Griob: you only need address and netmask, the rest is automagic
16:37<Black_Prince>Now carefully read me
16:37<mehdi_>well that aint work as well as it should i try that
16:37<Black_Prince>You again mount your usb stick and switch to /mnt ... this time you do 'dpkg -i wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb libiw30_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb' (without the quotes)
16:37<daemonkeeper>Griob: Sure you want to configure your network manually? Don't get me wrong, but if you do that you are supposed to /know/ what you netmask, network address etc. is.
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16:38<pes502>Black_Prince: can i rename this files?
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16:38<pes502>Black_Prince: to a.deb and b.deb ???
16:38<pes502>its easily to write :D
16:38<Black_Prince>Yeah, but be sure to use 'dpkg -i a.deb b.deb'
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16:39<abcd82>pes502: you can autocomplete filenames/commands with TAB key
16:39<babilen>pes502: Ah ... You should try typing the first characters of the name and then hit the TAB key. That auto-completes filenames, just like you can autocomplete nicknames in here.
16:40<Black_Prince>After that, you run 'iwconfig' and see what interface shows output like this
16:40<babilen>pes502: Hit it multiple times to see alternatives (if they exist)
16:40*babilen shuts up and lets Black_Prince do his job
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16:40<tiako>I did ./configure but now make doesn't find anything
16:41<Black_Prince>pes502, just one will show output like that, others will show something like 'eth0 no wireless extensions.'
16:41<babilen>tiako: No offense, but either use the Debian packages or ask in #winehq on freenode. They probably know more about it than we do.
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16:42<Black_Prince>Or just run 'iwconfig' after installing those packages, and show us your screenshot
16:42<babilen>I am pretty sure it is wlan0 (intel after all)
16:42<pes502>Black_Prince: ok, thats all?
16:42<Black_Prince>Yes for now
16:42<Black_Prince>Good luck again
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16:44<pes502>Black_Prince: so mount USB stick -> run dpkg-i (2 files) -> command "iwconfig" -> screenshot -> reboot?
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16:44<Black_Prince>you need to switch to /mnt after mounting your stick :)
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16:44<pes502>yes yes
16:44<pes502>cd /mnt
16:45<jhutchins_lt>Why do people think a screenshot of a console is useful?
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16:46<babilen>jhutchins_lt: because there is not network connection and pes502 knows very little about linux (yet)
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16:47<jhutchins_lt>babilen: So what's a screenshot gonna do?
16:47<Black_Prince>pes502, go for it :)
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16:47<pes502>Black_Prince: ok
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16:47<pes502>bye :D
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16:47<The_S33ker>what's up
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16:48<babilen>The_S33ker: hopefully
16:48<The_S33ker>is this all for bt4?
16:48<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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16:53<pes502>all completed
16:54<pes502>here is screen =
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16:54<Black_Prince>It worked ... Althrough you had these tools installed
16:55<babilen>that looks perfect :)
16:55<Black_Prince>So your interface is wlan0
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16:55<Black_Prince>You said your access point uses wep right?
16:55<pes502>i know the code
16:55<pes502>if u want
16:55<Black_Prince>No no
16:55<Black_Prince>It should be secret :)
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16:56<Black_Prince>Does it use static addresses or dhcp?
16:56<pes502>Black_Prince: all automatically
16:56<pes502>Black_Prince: i said i know the code, no i give u the code :D
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16:56<Black_Prince>And you know the name of your wireless access point? (DONT SAY!!)
16:56<pes502>Black_Prince: yes
16:57<pes502>Black_Prince: i can say, I'm living in Czech republic and my router can route only to 30m distance :D:D
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16:57<anrxc>hello, I need some help setting up a debian repository served over ssh, i initialized one with reprepro and it works fine when apt source is deb file:/path
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16:57<anrxc>but when it's changed to ssh:/ it doesn't sync fully, fails on "lenny/main Packages File not found" (and Sources), files exist, are readable, file:/ source finds them but ssh doesn't
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16:58<anrxc>I appreciate any help, or if you can point me to a more appropriate #debian channel
16:58<dominique>my sound is working!!! thank you, guuys!!!
16:58<dominique>Black_Prince: thank you a lotttttttt!!!
16:58<pes502>so what now?
16:59<MrFrood>install xorg?
16:59<pes502>MrFrood: good idea
16:59<Black_Prince>pes502 you need to setup your connection
16:59<MrFrood>su -c 'aptitude install xorg'
16:59<Black_Prince>I don't know will windows saved text files work on linux
16:59<babilen>yeah, install xorg + gnome-desktop-environment + gdm3 + wicd-gtk
17:00<MrFrood>once you have ste up your connection
17:00<Black_Prince>But we will do like this
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17:01<Black_Prince>Once again, reboot ... Open /etc/network/interfaces like this ... 'nano /etc/network/interfaces' ... you will be present with a text editor ... Use arrows to move through it
17:01<pes502>Black_Prince: how
17:02<Black_Prince>After the 'iface lo inet loopback' add these lines
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17:02<Black_Prince>With the editor that file should look like this
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17:02<Black_Prince>Note that the first three lines should allready be there
17:03<pes502>so first command is "nano ....."
17:03<Black_Prince>Also, be sure to change accesspoint name to your ESSID (DONT SAY! and don't forget the quotes) and change yourwepkey to your wep key (DON'T SAY EITHER!)
17:03<pes502>second is "auto lo" .... and other in pastebin?
17:03<Black_Prince>You got me wrong
17:03<Black_Prince>nano command opens a text editor ...
17:03<pes502>yes ... i know
17:04<Black_Prince>So these from pastebin should be identical to your /etc/network/interfaces file with modifications
17:04<pes502>and i must edit the lines
17:04<pes502>looks like in pastebin
17:04<Black_Prince>Yes, that is correct
17:04<Black_Prince>so nano is command, other should be in the file you are editing
17:04<pes502>is in Linux IRC? :D
17:04<Black_Prince>After you done modification, you hit CTRL+X, then 'y' and then hit enter
17:05<cannesahs>is it ok to add bug with email addr that human can parse to usefull, but computers can't?
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17:05<nyov>anrxc: you mean you put ssh: lines in your apt-get sources.list? i know you know your stuff and I probably can't help, but you checked ssh passphrase acces works, right?
17:05<Black_Prince>Reboot ... Do 'wget' ... If you get something like this 2011-03-27 23:05:24 (128 KB/s) - “index.html” saved [9062]
17:05<Black_Prince>Your connection is working!
17:06<cannesahs>or 'ping'
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17:06<pes502>and when is workikg?
17:06<Black_Prince>those nameservers never responded to my pings
17:06<cannesahs> answer for me nicelu
17:06<Black_Prince>Do 'wget' ... If you get something like this 2011-03-27 23:05:24 (128 KB/s) - “index.html” saved [9062]
17:06<anrxc>nyov: yep, it does sync the repository... half way, but fails to read those two files - could be a bad repository right... but when accessed as deb file:/ it syncs it all
17:06<pes502>Black_Prince: yes i know
17:06<pes502>and what after?
17:07<Black_Prince>28 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 27214ms
17:07<Black_Prince>After that come and tell us if it is working
17:07<pes502>ok :D
17:07<pes502>so bye :P
17:07<pes502>again :D
17:07<anrxc>nyov: that kind of made me think someone bumped into the same thing, could know what causes it
17:07<cannesahs>18 packets transmitted, 18 received, 0% packet loss, time 17026ms
17:07<callMeMud>anyone here have any business scenarios where they've integrated Debian/Fedora flavor of Linux into a full SSO MS Active Directory domain?
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17:08<jhutchins_lt>callMeMud: I know it's been done with both.
17:08<nyov>anrxc: maybe it has to do with being a .gz file? hmm sounds strange
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17:09<callMeMud>I do quite a bit with it, but I confuse myself really fast when dealing with LDAP and than throwing some type of encryption into the scenario.
17:09<phillipsjk>Black_Prince, works for me too; maybe your ISP is blocking the google DNS
17:09<callMeMud>which happens to be my present case.
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17:10<Black_Prince>*shrug* my /etc/resolv.conf is pointed to them only
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17:10<cannesahs>are you blocking all icmp with iptables? ;)
17:11<jhutchins_lt>Maybe it's from bsd then.
17:11<callMeMud>are you guys talking about mail?
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17:11<callMeMud>on the gz attachment?
17:12<Black_Prince>*sigh* I can't ping any name server
17:12<pes502>can you send me the pastebin link again please? :D
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17:13<Black_Prince>We will do it more easier way
17:13<Black_Prince>I guess you'll be lost in nano for a first time :)
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17:13<pes502>no :D
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17:13<pes502>its no problem
17:13<pes502>but i dont remember last lines in file
17:13<Black_Prince>It is best to write them down
17:13<pes502>this is my file
17:13<pes502># The loopback network interface
17:13<pes502>auto lo
17:13<pes502>iface lo inet loopback
17:13<pes502>auto wlan0
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17:14<callMeMud>hehe, didn't like that much.
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17:15<pes502>bye ....again :D
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17:29<pes502>but something wrong :D
17:29<pes502>i have got screens
17:30<Black_Prince>I told ya you will get lost with nano ...
17:31<pes502>after edit:
17:32<Black_Prince>you got typo there
17:32<pes502>i take this screens after edit after reboot
17:32<Black_Prince>it is not inface but iface
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17:32<Black_Prince>It wont hit anyone in face ...
17:32<pes502>iface wlan0 ?
17:32*MrFrood giggles
17:32<pes502>and iface lo inet?
17:33<pes502>shit :D
17:33<pes502>i going to reboot again :D
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17:36<anrxc>nyov: it's the chroot (used by default for all accounts)
17:36<anrxc>nyov: without a chroot those two files are found as well
17:36<anrxc>nyov: have something to go on now... thanks
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17:37<dominique>guys, is there a command to disable laptop's touchpad?
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17:38<devil>dominique: look at synclient
17:38<Black_Prince>Purge it's driver?
17:38<phillipsjk>dominque: on my laptop [Fn] [F6] does that.
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17:40<dominique>my laptop has a touch button to do that, that debian don't recognize
17:40<dominique>that's why i'm asking for a command
17:40<pes502>now i have got another problem :D
17:40<pes502>with DHCP
17:41<Black_Prince>And the problem is?
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17:43<abcd82>pes502: are you sure, router has dhcp?
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17:43<cannesahs>morelikely wep is bugging connection?
17:43<abcd82>pes502: maybe you have static ip set up in windows 7
17:44<MrFrood>pes502: have you got any addition security on your router (e.g. white-listing mac addresses etc.)
17:44<pes502>MrFrood: n
17:45<Black_Prince>pes502, try this
17:45<Black_Prince>These are commands that should be run in terminal
17:45<Black_Prince>iwconfig wlan0 essid youressid
17:45<Black_Prince>no quotes ...
17:45<Black_Prince>iwconfig wlan0 key yourkey
17:45<Black_Prince>ifconfig wlan0 up
17:45<Black_Prince>dhclient wlan0
17:46<Black_Prince>4 commands ...
17:46<pes502>btw my subnet mask is
17:46<pes502>and in router in WAN setting is all automatically from DHCP
17:47<Black_Prince>pes502, what windows version are you using?
17:47<Black_Prince>Damn ...
17:47<Black_Prince>I don't know about it
17:47<pes502>only in DHCP settings is some data
17:47<pes502>now IM looking into my router ;)
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17:47<pes502>im in router settings in router administration
17:47<Black_Prince>How did you setup your connection in win 7?
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17:48<pes502>ESSID and PSWD
17:48<pes502>and other data will be get automatically
17:48<Black_Prince>try these commands again ...
17:48<Black_Prince>iwconfig wlan0 essid youressid
17:48<Black_Prince>iwconfig wlan0 key yourkey
17:48<Black_Prince>ifconfig wlan0 up
17:49<Black_Prince>dhclient wlan0
17:49<Black_Prince>run in terminal ...
17:49<cannesahs>as root
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17:50<Black_Prince>wait a sec
17:50<Black_Prince>damn ...
17:50<Black_Prince>I think I was wrong when I told him to put his wireless-essid between ""
17:50<cannesahs>hope there is dhclient and not just dhcpcd
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17:52<DJVG>Hi All, i'm running Debian Squeeze on the ARM platform, and I have some problems using hotplug for USB, hotplug isn't working at all... When is do a simple KDE install (apt-get install kde) for speed testing, it was working! But when I removed kde with all the dependencies and hotplug stopped working. As far as I know, udevd and hald are configured correctly...any thoughts?
17:53<Black_Prince>DJVG join #debian-arm at ... They may be more helpful
17:53<DJVG>Ahh thank you very much!
17:53<DJVG>Have a nice day all!
17:53<dominique>found the command: synclient TouchpadOff=1 turns it off; synclient TouchpadOff=0 turns it on
17:54<dominique>i'm starting to love this linux thing :D
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17:54<jhutchins_lt>dominique: If you can figure it out it's fantastic.
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17:55<DJVG>Hmm, that didn't work :( You were kicked from #debian-arm by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
17:55<DJVG>How to get a invite haha
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17:55<Black_Prince>#debian-arm on this server ... I am sorry
17:55<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: In order to condense your multi-line posts and keep from flooding the scrollbuffer, may I suggest using \ to represent an EOL?
17:55*Black_Prince notes \
17:56<DJVG>Haha, no problem! Bye
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18:01<pes502> and after reboot the same problem with DHCPDISCOVER
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18:03<Black_Prince>pes502 are you 100% sure you use WEP and not WPA?
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18:03<pes502>my router cant WPA
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18:04<pes502> my router administration - settings
18:04<Black_Prince>Can try turning off security for some time?
18:05<retrospectacus>says wpa right there
18:05<cannesahs>retrospectacus: it is grayed out
18:06<pes502>Black_Prince: how security?
18:06<simon_> /disconnect
18:06<simon_> /disconnect
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18:06<Black_Prince>Don't use any authentification method
18:06<Black_Prince>Neither wep nor wpa
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18:07<retrospectacus>I think another choice of "authentication method" would enable it but... wide open is easiest
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18:07<pes502>Black_Prince: thats might be a problem ... i dont remember Passphrase :D
18:08<babilen>Black_Prince: and yes, it would be "wireless-essid foobar" not 'wireless-essid "foobar"'
18:08<pes502>and when i disable security, this field will be deleted
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18:08<Black_Prince>So, you will just need to specify a new one?
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18:09<Black_Prince>Would this be a problem to you?
18:09<pes502>maybe :/
18:09<pes502>because all computers in my home using this settings
18:10<Black_Prince>pes502, there is only one thing you can try tonight ... because I'm tired
18:10<pes502>Black_Prince: me too
18:10<Black_Prince>In /etc/network/interfaces remove the quotes in wireless-essid line
18:10<Black_Prince>so it reads wireless-essid youressid and not wireless-essid "youressid"
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18:10<pes502>ok, i try it and after this i going to sleep :D
18:11<Black_Prince>I guess we are in same timezone
18:11<Black_Prince>00:11 here now
18:11<pes502>0:11 AM
18:11<pes502>so thanks for help :)
18:11<Black_Prince>Ok, go try that ... and reboot after modifying interfaces
18:11<tiako>pes502 have you still not be able to get debian installed on that drive/
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18:12<Black_Prince>he installed it, but cannot setup wireless
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18:12<pes502>wirelles connection ;)
18:12<pes502>i can connect to my neighbout
18:12<pes502>he havent got any password
18:12<pes502>ESSID only :D
18:12<Black_Prince>Wouldn't that be illegal?
18:12<pes502>i connecting to him, when my network fallen down
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18:13<pes502>Black_Prince: mmmmmmm ...... no :D
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18:13<phillipsjk>Black_prince: with no password it is likely a grey area.
18:13<Black_Prince>Just try what I said, and go to bed ... We'll continue tomorrow at about 20:00 if you are willing to continue
18:13<cannesahs>in Finland it got allowed recently :) before it was illegal or gray area
18:13<pes502>yes yes
18:14<pes502>this is not my problemm ... he cant protect his network :D
18:14<pes502>his problem :P
18:14<tiako>No password is open network
18:15<Black_Prince>My provider uses open network at 2.4GHz, but it's protected by hotspot login
18:15<phillipsjk>pes502, I read in the Internet that even strong WEP password can be cracked in "hours"
18:15<pes502>phillipsjk: thats true
18:15<phillipsjk>have not tried it yet.
18:15<pes502>but this is maximum safety of my router
18:15<Black_Prince>At 5GHz it uses static ip addresses with no security ... But you can't get into nanostation setup
18:16<pes502>i cant use WPA :( so WEP-128bit is maximum :)
18:16<pes502>and its better than no-password :D
18:16<daemonkeeper>Not really
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18:16<daemonkeeper>Technically speaking.
18:17<Arrowmaster>hours? more like minutes
18:17<pes502>i found same video tutorials for Linux :D
18:17<pes502>for WEP cracking :D
18:18<pes502>I want to try it .... later :D
18:18<Black_Prince>Don't tell me you want to install linux because of that?
18:18<tiako>Who uses WEP anymore?
18:18<daemonkeeper>Indeed, in fact, WEP can be cracked within seconds, if you are luckily enough to have the right packets just in place.
18:18<abcd82>pes502: what router are you using?
18:18<pes502>abcd82: something from ASUS
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18:19<abcd82>pes502: well something is not good enough :)
18:19<Black_Prince>pes502 you are unable to use wired connection?
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18:20<pes502>Black_Prince: not now
18:20<abcd82>pes502: it supports wpa
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18:21<pes502>abcd82: i think i have got older model ...
18:21<daemonkeeper>"RT-N16 can support up to 300,000 sessions for P2P download with super speed, " :D I truly doubt that
18:21<phillipsjk>the limit with be 16384 unless it supports IPv6
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18:22<pes502>so bye
18:23<pes502>I´m going to sleep :)
18:23<daemonkeeper>Or at most 65k when using NAT. Not that home user gear would ever come close to that limit.
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18:23<Black_Prince>65535 users? The city I'm from doesn't have that much population :/
18:24<Black_Prince>Hell ... Well I am also going to sleep, nite
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18:26<phillipsjk>I was basing the 16K number on the ports reserved by the IANA for NAT (49152-65535)
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18:28<daemonkeeper>Those are recommendations though.
18:29<phillipsjk>Actually called "Dynamic/Private"
18:29<phillipsjk>daemonkeeper, true.
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18:35<Griob>can anyone help me set up Audio (ALSA) under squeeze? i cant figure it out
18:36<phillipsjk>!alsa checklist
18:36<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
18:39<Griob>what is the headphone jack channel called
18:41<jhutchins_lt>Mine's called Seymour.
18:42<phillipsjk>Probably speaker-out or headphone.
18:43<Griob>there doesnt appear to be any sort of channel for my headphones... theyre the only sort of sound i have, there are no built in speakers.
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18:43<phillipsjk>headphones look like unpowered speakers
18:44<phillipsjk>(to the computer)
18:44<MrFrood>Griob: fire up alsamixer
18:44<MrFrood>and check the levels
18:44<jhutchins_lt>Griob: If there were internal speakers, they might be the same physical circuit.
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18:45<jhutchins_lt>Griob: So you don't actually know if you have sound yet or not.
18:45<Griob>alsamixer has no muted channels
18:45<jhutchins_lt>Griob: So run through the checklist above.
18:45<Griob>i did
18:45<Griob>everything SEEMS to be in order
18:45<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
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18:46<phillipsjk>Griob: the test sound played?
18:47<MrFrood>phillipsjk: he's gone
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18:48<phillipsjk>I have a bad habit of looking after I start moving.
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18:48<MrFrood>me too :-/
18:48<tdrusk>I just installed squeeze 64 bit gnome disk 1 and it seems that I only have 1 package in Administration, as well as few other packages. What did I do wrong and how can I fix it?
18:49<MrFrood>tdrusk: more info please?
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18:50<ct>Evening all. Has anyone else found libreoffice does not find cups printers even with cups-bsd installed and where openoofice found them?
18:50<tdrusk>MrFrood: Well I used debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso. I don't have network manager installed. I know this is incorrect because I watched a thisweekinlinux video where he had a ton more stuff installed by default.
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18:51<Griob>no sound
18:51<jhutchins_lt>Well, if you saw it on video, it must be real!
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18:52<MrFrood>Griob: did you try the alsactl command?
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18:52<tiako>Is it a pain to use Emerald themes with debian?
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18:53<MrFrood>tdrusk: do you have a network connection?
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18:53<tdrusk>MrFrood: No, not wired or wireless(which is not a surprise)
18:54<MrFrood>Griob: have you looked at the alsa page on the Debian wiki?
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18:54<Griob>and sound configuration and others
18:55<MrFrood>tdrusk: do you have a wired connection (working or not working)
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18:56<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. #alsa on
18:56<tdrusk>MrFrood: yes sir
18:56<MrFrood>but not working?
18:57<Griob>not for me
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18:58<tdrusk>MrFrood: The installer doesn't recognize my card, but network-manager does. I have installed KDE with the debian installer and learned this.
18:58<MrFrood>tdrusk: I'm not familar with kde
18:59<phillipsjk>Griob: did the test noise as root work (Alsa checklist step 7 or so)
18:59<MrFrood>Griob: I'd suggest following dpkg's advice above
18:59<tdrusk>MrFrood: okay. well hmm... Does it seem normal that I would be lacking applications that are typically installed off the CD?(at least they were in lenny)
19:00<Griob>phillip no
19:00<MrFrood>tdrusk: if you can get the network up you can just install extra stuff with apt/aptitude/aynaptic etc.
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19:01<Griob>ok, i just plugged in some usb speakers. can i change to use those for sound?
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19:03<MrFrood>Griob: usb speakers are treated as a sepearate sound card
19:03<phillipsjk>Griob did you ever get alsmixer running?
19:03<tdrusk>MrFrood: Would the live cd have everything one would expect from a typical gnome desktop?
19:04<MrFrood>tdrusk: no idea but I would imagine so
19:04<tdrusk>MrFrood: okay thanks for your help.
19:04<MrFrood>tdrusk: I noemally netinstall
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19:12<dominique>my friends, i'm now leaving... thank you for all your help... hope someday i'll be able to help others as you do :)
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19:20<Griob>ok, MrFrood, how do i enable my usb speakers as my sound card?
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19:23<s_i_m>Griob, is it listed in "aplay -l" output?
19:23<Griob>i have y usb speakers plugged in and they seem to be detected... however they have only one channel: pcm
19:23<Griob>yes they are
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19:24<tiako>Will compiling a new version of GTK replace the old version?
19:24<s_i_m>Gnob, then you should make them the default audio output. Can be done with gnome control center, I think.
19:25<Griob>im using KDE
19:25<s_i_m>tiako, why do you need that&
19:25<tiako>Emerald themer needs a newer version
19:26<Griob>ok appears to work
19:26<Griob>test in K menu > system settings > Multimedia > Audio Output >music works
19:28<Griob>for some reasons aplay doesnt work....
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19:29<Griob>but nothing else seems to work
19:30<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. #alsa on
19:31<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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19:32<Griob>!list alsa users
19:32<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
19:32<s_i_m>Griob, cat /proc/asound/modules
19:33<Griob>mmhm. snd_usb_audio, and snd_hda_intel
19:33<s_i_m>which has index 0?
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19:34<s_i_m>that is why the sound goes there.
19:34<s_i_m>you may blacklist this module
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19:36<s_i_m>look into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf
19:36<Griob>should i do the purge of oss4 packages, in the checklist?
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19:36<s_i_m>Griob, do you have them?
19:37<Griob>yes indeed
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19:38<Griob>ok, i added "blacklist snd-hda-intel" to the end of that file, how do i restart the sound service (or whatever its called, idk) to make snd-usb-audio at index 0?
19:38<s_i_m>are they installed by default nowadays?
19:38<Griob>i didnt install them, if thats what youre askin
19:38<s_i_m>i mean oss4
19:39<Griob>thats what i mean too
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19:39<s_i_m>do a rmmod snd-hda-intel
19:39<s_i_m>as root
19:40<Griob>in use
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19:40<s_i_m>well, reboot then
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19:45<Griob>ok, i rebooted
19:45<Griob>it appears that KDE likes the device, it played the startup noise.
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19:46<Griob>but aplay errors, complaining it cant find card 0, and cat /proc/asound/modules says usb is still at index 1
19:46<sney>alsa won't let usb devices take index 0 iirc
19:46<s_i_m>ok, then look into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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19:47<s_i_m>comment out the line with usb-audio
19:48<s_i_m>this line: options snd-usb-audio index=-2
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19:50<Griob>then reboot again, or is there a faster way? like with networking, /etc/init.d/networking {start|stop} anything like that?
19:50<phillipsjk>this may or may not help: Apparently Arts has been replaced by Phonon.
19:51<Griob>yes, phonon
19:51<phillipsjk>Sound daemons can complicate things.
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19:54<s_i_m>try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
19:54<s_i_m>but I am not sure that will be effective with KDE running...
19:54<s_i_m>afk 15 mins
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19:57<winsen1>hello every body
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19:58<winsen1>how can i stop downloading, i did that 2 weeks ago , and it has downloaded non stop , how can i stop that? thanks
19:59<s_i_m>downloading of what?
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20:02<winsen1>2 weeks ago i downloaded gmrl iso file, for Vbox, and it didn't stop for 2 weeks!! and now it takes lot places and sys said that home is full for now; i 'll be crazy
20:03<winsen1><s_i_m>did you undersatnd what i mean?
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20:05<s_i_m>winsen1, this looks like something strange. which software did you use to download it?
20:05<phillipsjk>Kill the process doing the downloading, though ISOs shouldn't be over 4.7GB for single-sided DVD
20:06*phillipsjk misread "for vbox"
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20:06<winsen1>this one:
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20:08<s_i_m>winsen1, i mean which program you use to get it over the net? just kill that program
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20:09<winsen1><s_i_m>it's realy strange, when i am going to look for download in my browser , now 3 downloading are in progress
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20:10<s_i_m>stop all of them
20:10<winsen1>i can not
20:10<kirbuchi>hi all. Sometimes at boot i get the following: >>irq 10:nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option).Then it deactivates IRQ 10. Has anyone encountered this issue?
20:10<phillipsjk>winsen1 Did you use bittorrent? It uploads after downloading, but should not eat disk space doing that.
20:10<winsen1>how to stop them?
20:10<sney>kill browser
20:10<s_i_m>winsen1, open terminal
20:10<winsen1>no i didn't
20:11<winsen1>i am in terminal
20:11<s_i_m>pkill -9 iceweasel (or what you use)
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20:12<phillipsjk>Griob: congrats? for you heaphones too?
20:12<Griob>no, just the speakers. but i know how now.
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20:15<s_i_m>Griob, good. Did you have to do anything else besides what I advised?
20:16<winsen1><s_i_m>do you mean what i see with this command "pkill -9 iceweasel"??
20:16<winsen1>is it your question?
20:16<s_i_m>winsen1, pkill -9 <name_of_process> will just kill this process
20:17<winsen1>in termina i see nothing
20:17<s_i_m>or actually all processes with this name
20:18<s_i_m>well, you should know better which browser you use =)
20:18<winsen1>in terminal i see nothing, exact my browser is iceweasel
20:19<winsen1>yes i specify that my browser is iceweasel
20:19<s_i_m>pkill -9 firefox-bin
20:19<s_i_m>sorry :)
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20:19<phillipsjk>forgot iceweasel is only skin deep :)
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20:20<winsen1>nothing changed, download doesn't stop
20:22<s_i_m>well, show us the oputput of ps aux
20:24<winsen1><s_i_m>i think it stops now, i did it in gui
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20:26<winsen1>hope that is finish!! everytime when i switch on my computer, it download non stop!! it's realy strange
20:27<winsen1><s_i_m>can you help me to increase my /boot and /home?
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20:28<s_i_m>winsen1, you should remove those files you have downloaded
20:28<s_i_m>(if that is the reason of low space)
20:28<winsen1>i did that, but it seems full yet
20:28<Griob>s_i_m not much
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20:30<winsen1><s_i_m>what's the command to make clean in?
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20:31<s_i_m>winsen1, do it like you usually do it. i will not advise you on using rm in terminal :)
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20:33<s_i_m>winsen1, check the directory where you downloaded that ISO, or what it was
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20:35<winsen1>not rm, but just to make a cleaning of useless files
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20:36<s_i_m>ah, actually, now I understand what happened. your disk was already almost full before you started the download
20:37<winsen1>s_i_m>yes it is , i think so
20:37<sney>I'm going to install kfreebsd in virtualbox.
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20:38<winsen1><s_i_m>take a look
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20:41<s_i_m>then use some tool that shows the disk usage by files and directories
20:41<s_i_m>I use gdmap for this purpose (because it is has no gnome depends)
20:41<s_i_m>(and no kde too)
20:41<s_i_m>winsen1, yes, your home is almost full
20:41<winsen1>however i had moved download foulder, i mean in another partition
20:41<s_i_m>find files you do not need and remove them
20:41<s_i_m>as simple as that
20:41<winsen1>nevethless but i 've had this problem
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20:44<winsen1><s_i_m>as you see Vbox takes big place, i tried to move it in another partition with friend help, but unfortunly i didn't work
20:46<s_i_m>winsen1, probably, you copied files instead of moving
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20:47<tiako>So I have been trying to get emerald theme manager to work and I have it installed with compiz, however, it looks like cause "held packages"
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20:49<winsen1><s_i_m>no i 've done this command "mv /home/am/.VirtualBox /media/Docs/
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20:52<Lantizia>Hey why is Ext3 still the default in Debian 6 and not Ext4?
20:53<s_i_m>winsen1, do you need those files in /home/am/.VirtualBox?
20:53<winsen1>s-im>hwo can find this foulder " .virtualbox" in graphical
20:53<mosno>Lantizia, i'm guessing the answer lies in bug reports against debian-installer
20:53<mosno>Lantizia, but i could be wrong
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20:54<s_i_m>winsen, if you want to remove it will be easier to do from a terminal. just do rm -rf /home/am/.VirtualBox
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20:56<winsen>s_i_m>what's " -rf?"
20:57<s_i_m>-r means "recursively" -f means "force"
20:57<s_i_m>man rm
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20:59<winsen>s_i_m>thank you for explaining, in fact, i just want to remove only one isofile inside " .VirtualBox"
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21:00<winsen>by the way, i don't know if inside there are isofile or not
21:01<s_i_m>winsen, use du .VirtualBox
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21:03<winsen>no it doesn't work
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21:03<s_i_m>winsen, du -a .VirtualBox
21:03<s_i_m>that will show you files also
21:03<winsen>s_i_m>whan i am in foulder, how can i see size files?
21:04<s_i_m>ls -lR .
21:04<s_i_m>or du -a .
21:04<s_i_m>(if in terminal)
21:07<winsen>s_i_m>the size is on the side, is it?
21:08<winsen>s_i_m>the size is on the left side, is it?
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21:08<s_i_m>yes, in kb
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21:09<s_i_m>winsen, removed? =)
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21:11<winsen>sorry, i didn't understand, i am asking you where can i see the size files, ?
21:12<s_i_m>winsen, the size of files is on the left.
21:12<winsen>in example i gave you
21:12<s_i_m>in kilobytes
21:12<winsen>ok thank you
21:13<s_i_m>to remove the largest file do rm "./Windows server 2008.vdi"
21:13<winsen>so with "du _a" or ls -lR?
21:13<winsen>cause it's not the same size
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21:15<s_i_m>winsen, you may ask du to print filesize in different units. man du
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21:17<s_i_m>winsen, ls prints size in bytes
21:17<winsen>as here we can see the size files,
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21:18<s_i_m>winsen, du -h
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21:18<s_i_m>winsen, du -ah
21:19<winsen>yes du -h
21:19<winsen>yes it is
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21:20<winsen>s_i_m>thank you master
21:20<s_i_m>for nothing =)
21:20<abcd82>winsen: almost every command supports --help option, type "ls --help" "rm --help" "du --help" it will give you info what options is supported, and what they do
21:21<s_i_m>i am going to sleep
21:21<s_i_m>oyasumi nasai minna sama
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21:22<winsen><s_i_m>same to me, thanks again
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21:23<winsen><abcd82>thank you very mutch for this information
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21:23<winsen><abcd82>i usely use man
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21:25<tiako>Ugh everytime I start trying to theme my computer I always break it
21:25<winsen><abcd82>thank you again, have good night, good continuation
21:25<abcd82>winsen: in general man is better, but for quick info use --help, there is also "info", and "apropos" use --help/man on them to know more :)
21:26<abcd82>winsen: yes gn, i'm going to
21:26<tiako>oh wait I think that fixed it.
21:26<tiako>or brb
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21:26<winsen><abcd82>wait a moment --help/man
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21:27<winsen>ok yes, i see, good night everybody
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21:32<Lantizia>Hey why is Ext3 still the default in Debian 6 and not Ext4?
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21:33<tiako>Ugh I messed up I lost X
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21:33<tiako>And the theme was working too :(
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21:35<rudi_s>Lantizia: Because ext3 is (more) stable.
21:35<Lantizia>rudi_s, says...
21:35<rudi_s>Lantizia: It's older, more tested. Thus more stable.
21:36<rudi_s>And AFAIK you can choose ext4 in the installer, so it's no big issue.
21:36<Lantizia>says you basically... anything documented officially about why ext3 over ext4 for the squeeze default?
21:36<rudi_s>Lantizia: Yep. I don't know any official statement, not sure if there's one.
21:37<rudi_s>Ah, here's something.
21:37<dpkg>[ext4] The fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Merged in the mainline Linux kernel, available since version 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. ext4 is not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121) and not the default in Squeeze (Debian bug #603084). #ext4 on
21:37<rudi_s>Lantizia: ^
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21:37<Lantizia>but squeeze comes with grub2
21:38<rudi_s>Lantizia: But also with grub legacy.
21:38<Lantizia>but it doesn't install grub legacy, it installs grub2
21:39<rudi_s>Anyway, will be in wheezy, no point in discussion it now as it won't change for Squeeze.
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21:39<kop>Lantizia: But those that upgraded from Lenny may still use grub-legacy, and it's still supported.
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21:39<tiako>So I have emerald theme manager running in somewhat of a crude way.
21:39<tiako>Everytime I boot into gnome I have to type in emerald --replace
21:39<kop>Lantizia: And the Debian kernel team knows how well ext4 works with their version of the kernel.
21:39<tiako>To load the theme
21:39<Lantizia>kop, if you're installing from the CD - you are not upgrading are you!?
21:40<rudi_s>Lantizia: It will be the default for wheezy, why do you continue this discussion. Ext3 is default for Squeeze.
21:41<kop>Lantizia: In what version of the kernel did the Linux devs declare ext4 preferred over ext3?
21:41<Lantizia>didn't say they did, at what point did debian declare ext3 over ext4 and where is that documented?
21:41<rudi_s>To be honest, I don't know. I didn't follow the discussion. But it doesn't matter now ..
21:42<kop>Lantizia: Debian does not have to declare that ext3 is preferred. It started preferred and will stay that way until something else comes along.
21:42<kop>rudi_s: I was curious.
21:42<Lantizia>kop, something else did
21:42<kop>Lantizia: So use it if you like.
21:42<Lantizia>kop, why not the default
21:42<phillipsjk>Lantizia: ext4 caused data loss before some bugs were worked out (file-rename-write can delete original).
21:42<rudi_s>kop: If you find an official statement, please tell me. I'm curious as well - but not enough to look for it.
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21:43<Lantizia>phillipsjk, emphasis on "before"
21:43<rudi_s>Lantizia: Another good question is, why do you want ext4?
21:43<Lantizia>a better question is why not?
21:43<rudi_s>Lantizia: No. ext3 is stable, works fine, and has for some time. Why switch?
21:44<Lantizia>rudi_s, fsck is quicker for a start
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21:46<kop>Lantizia: Yes, and uses less ram too.
21:46<sney>the official justification is most likely that ext4 was too new for a 'stable' release.
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21:46<kop>rudi_s: I just seem to recall some sort of announcement when ext3 was deemed "good". I am also not interested enough to go looking for the answer.
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21:47<rudi_s>;-) I'll wait for the ext4 announcement.
21:47<sney>I always just use jfs so it's not a discussion I pay attention to anyhow
21:48<kop>sney: I hear jfs is good for large files, and actually have partition for same but have never really gotten around to having large files and wanting to use it. Any thoughts?
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21:53<sney>kop: I find it to be generally fast for everyday use and rock solid reliable. I sometimes kick around large files - a DVD iso or two - but I just use the fs for general purpose computing
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21:54<kop>sney: Thanks. reliable is good. I'm looking forward to btfs being reliable. (I think I wanted it for mythtv, but have never been interested enough in tv to make it work.)
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21:58<kop>FWIW, I there was once a problem with fsck happening before md/lvm swap was enabled, and this could cause fsck to fail if the ext3 fs was big. Fixed for squeeze -- except perhaps if / is big. The initscripts did / differently, and I've not looked but it seemed there could be a problem there....
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22:26<qinbo>hi all. How can I recursion find the package run time dependency? I try to run: apt-rdepends kdebase, I can't find "mysql-server-core" package in Package file. any idea?
22:27<sney>I'm not sure I really understand your question, but 'aptitude why' is tremendously useful for figuring out dependencies
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22:28<cjhmdm>hello, how can I allow unsupported modules in squeeze? the instructions I have are for RHEL which state: set 'allow_unsupported_modules 1' in /etc/modprobe.d/unsupported-modules -- what would the equivalent in squeeze be?
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22:29<sney>cjhmdm: well, debian uses /etc/modprobe.d as well, but what are you trying to do exactly?
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22:30<qinbo>'aptitude why' can't list recursion dependency
22:30<cjhmdm>sney: install the proper driver module for my motherboard (from the manufacturer website) for lm-sensors
22:31<sney>cjhmdm: ok. well, if allow_unsupported_modules is a standard modprobe/insmod argument and not something redhat added, you should be able to declare it the same way in any of the .conf files in /etc/modprobe.d (or make your own)
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22:33<cjhmdm>sney: well, I did find this which isn't specific to my needs but does say "echo "allow_unsupported_modules=1" >> /etc/modprobe.conf.local" for debian.. but it's from 2009 so more than likely for lenny, if not etch
22:33<cjhmdm>but, there's no modprobe.conf.local in squeeze it seems ><
22:33<sney>cjhmdm: so use a file in modprobe.d
22:33<cjhmdm>right, will do.. thanks
22:33<sney>it's just passing arguments to modprobe at boot. nothing fancy
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22:36<cjhmdm>sney: alright.. just wanted to make sure ><
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22:43<tdrusk>Hey guys. I am trying to use pytrainer. I have it installed, but it doesn't run. This is what I see when I run it in the terminal I am running Squeeze 64-bit.
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22:44<sney>and then what? it quits, or it sits?
22:45<tdrusk>It doesn't start at all.
22:45<sney>ok, but you run it, it gives you those 3 lines, then what? returned to a prompt?
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22:46<tdrusk>snehy: yep, it returns to the prompt. Sorry.
22:47<sney>a quick google tells me you can run it in debug mode by doing 'pytrainer -d'
22:48<tdrusk>Same output :(
22:48<sney>it's supposed to give a debug log in .pytrainer/
22:50<tdrusk>Ah I found a bug that relates to it.
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22:55<tdrusk>Hooray, downloading the .deb from the Wheezy repo did it. Thanks for your help.
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23:17<kop>Does the kernel assemble md arrays asychronously? Why does bug #616316 exist, it says that md arrays are not there but rcS.d has md happening before the fscks are done?
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23:23<kop>Ah, #616316 does not exist. It's resolved.
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23:32<tiako>Anyone running gnome3? How do you like it
23:33<tdrusk>When I am typing something it sometimes lags. I have used other distros and this doesn't happen. Could it be a graphics card issue?
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23:35<lnievas>morning guys.
23:35<ghosTM55>lnievas: hello :)
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23:37<sney>tdrusk: it could be, yes. what graphics card do you have?
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23:42<tdrusk>sney: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
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23:44<tdrusk>sney: I am off to bed. I think I know which driver to get. I might come back and ask just to make sure. Thanks for the lead.
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23:51<sney>tdrusk: all you need is the package firmware-linux-nonfree, the driver is already included but it needs that package to work fully
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