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---Logopened Mon Mar 28 00:00:30 2011
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00:03<tiako>So I have emerald themer working but I have to do emerald --replace to make it work
00:03<tiako>When I reboot the theme does not stick
00:03<tdrusk>sney: just checking up. Thanks!
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00:08<tiako>Do you think adding emerald --replace to startup applications would work?
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00:13<kirbuchi>Hi all, I've just installed rtl8192se_pci wireless driver and when i reboot my system hangs at: Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...
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00:40<sunita>i would like to know whether there is any usb-create tool on debian
00:40<sunita>i want to create a bootable iso in debian
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00:40<sunita>which tool can be used for that on Debian
00:41<sunita>in ubuntu there is usb-creator is there anything similar to that in Debian
00:43<kirbuchi>sunita: you should use dd
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00:45<sunita>does it has gui
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00:46<kirbuchi>sunita: nope, its a command line tool. You have to do something like: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/device
00:46<phorce1_home>OK, old machine on the intraweb (old as in Sarge I think) not on the open internet. When ssh'd or logged in locally I can use dvips to generate a .pdf file. But, through an internal web page I get this in the apache error log "dvips: Problems with file writing; probably disk full." It's acting like whatever user the web server is running as suddenly has no permissions to write to /tmp. Worked fine until 3 days ago. No updates (obviously
00:47<sunita>ok thx kirbuchi let me try
00:48<kirbuchi>sunita: np :)
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01:06<Simon4eeDC>buenas noches
01:07<Simon4eeDC>por casualidad alguno a trabajado con ICMPTX?
01:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:40<phorce1_home>fixed it. Now I have to figure out who's fingers to break for poking around on a system that is borderline and near replacement but NECESSARY until it is replaced (/tmp was root:root and drwxrwxr-t instead of drwxrwxrwt)
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02:26<vook>So I've got two ethernet ports on my server, but it's not being used as a router or bridge. Would there be a use for eth1 ? Could I tie them together and get double bandwidth ?
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02:30<qinbo>astronut, hi. I use apt-cache depends kdebase --recurse try to find the recursive dependency , it seems recursive find the dependency for all the filed in Packages like: Conflicts filed etc.
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02:31*vook as usual answers his own question after asking. Channel bonding.
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02:40<doubledutch>vook; look into "teaming nic" or "teaming ethernet" - that'll be what you speak of.
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02:43*doubledutch reads about "channel bonding".
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02:45<nevyn>teaming is the windows name for it.
02:45<nevyn>etherchannel is the cisco name for it.
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02:46<nevyn>802.1ad is the IEEE spec
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02:46<nevyn>well not Ieee but you know.
02:47<doubledutch>nevyn; I didn't know that, thank you. My only experience with NIC Teaming was using Dell PowerEdge servers in school...
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02:47<nevyn>so it's annoyingly named differently on each platform.
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02:48<nevyn>doubledutch: you may also want to know about 802.1q which is the spec for vlan trunking so you can have a redundant physical link with multiple networks transported over it
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02:49<nevyn>vook: so getting double the bandwith has a number of caveats.
02:49<doubledutch>Well I was just trying to be helpful and didn't see the "/me" about him answering his own question...
02:49<nevyn>vook: you need switch side configuration. AND you need to be connecting to the same switch
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02:50<doubledutch>...the only relevance it bears for me is that I worked with Teaming NICs (Windows Sever as you pointed out) in school... I only have one server and it's a Sun Micro SunFire v100 550mHz 1GB with an 80GB HDD. I still haven't figured out what to do with it yet... OTHER than putting Debian on it... I think I'll try to go the LAMP route and host my first website?
02:51<libowen>who has skypr
02:51<libowen>who has skype?
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02:52<libowen>who has skype 'package ofDebian?
02:53<nevyn>I have skype it's offtopic here.
02:53<nevyn>if you're on amd64 it's kinda tricky to make it go.
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02:53<libowen>yes i am on ---64
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02:56<vook>nevyn: ya - it probably will not yield any significant results on my LAN, though I may attempt it to gain experience.
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02:57<nevyn>vook: oh. the caveats probably don't affect you that much.
02:57<nevyn>they're mainly a problem when you have full dual tree networks and stuff
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02:59<vook>I primarily have lab network with data flowing between my server, laptop, and a few other clients. I'll be interested to see if data rates increase over an N network.
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03:01<nevyn>or when you don't control the switch
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03:01<nevyn>vook: you do have a proper managed switch right?
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03:02<nevyn>you need like a cisco/hp/dell "enterprisey" switch for this
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03:04<pes502>hi all
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03:05<vook>a nice, small cisco switch is on my wishlist though...
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03:15<libowen><libowen> help
03:15<libowen><libowen> who has skype .deb
03:15<libowen><libowen> ?
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03:16<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
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03:18<vook>to compliment jm_, please view for more insight.
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03:20<libowen>thank s
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03:53<EmleyMoor>Is there anythisg in Debian (or the multimedia repo) that can recover a difficult to read DVD - preferably in a reburnable format?
03:53<EmleyMoor>anything, even
03:54<EmleyMoor>(I'm sure all the content is there)
03:55<killrain>does the DVD readable or corrupted?
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03:57<kayaman_00>killrain, do you know dd ?
03:57<kayaman_00>!dpkg dd
03:57<dpkg>well, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>.
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03:58<killrain>are u kaya?
03:58<jww_>hello !
03:58<jichunjian>oh... i see
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03:59<jww_>I got a crontab sending a mail every 5mn on a server, but I can't locate it. neither crontab -l or /etc/cron.d execute it. any ideas how I could locate it ?
03:59<kayaman_00> /var/spool/cron/*
03:59<jww_>I'll go check it.
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04:00<jww_>umm nop, there are the sames crons as in crontab -l.
04:00<jww_>one of it could be the good one, but it # commented.
04:01<kayaman_00>grep -wl 5 /var/spool/cron/*
04:01<kayaman_00>does that give you any file ?
04:02<kayaman_00>that should show you the files containing a five inside the cron files
04:02<jww_> /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
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04:02<jww_>yes, but the line is commented.
04:02<kayaman_00>just for you to go through them and doublecheck
04:02<jww_>#0-59/5 * * * * /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg.cfg
04:02<kayaman_00>is there anything relevant at /var/log/cron ?
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04:03<jww_>I don't have /var/log/cron, but in /var/log/syslog I got logs about cron.
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04:05<jichunjian>how can i down something in ubuntu
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04:05<jm_>at least in the old days mrtg added /etc/cron.d/mrtg
04:05<kayaman_00>my bad jww_ , it doesn't exist in debian
04:05<jww_>jm_: this server still have it.
04:06<jm_>jww_: did you check it?
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04:07<jww_>yes, I even moved it to ~
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04:07<jww_>I also cleaned the commented crontab in /var/spool/cron
04:08<jm_>you should not mess with /var/spool/cron by hand
04:09<jww_>I used crontab -e .
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04:10<jww_>arg I just had another mail.
04:10<jww_>that weird.
04:11<jww_>wait I think I have an idea.
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04:11<jm_>with by hand I don't mean using rm/mv but also crontab command
04:11<jww_>oh. roger that.
04:12<jww_>I think I found the problem anyway :(
04:12<jww_>people named 2 servers with the same name.
04:13<jm_>in mrtg.cfg?
04:15<jww_>in /etc/host and /etc/hostname
04:15<jww_>welcome to my world :\
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04:30<pes502>hi all
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04:30<pes502>could you help me please? I need install xorg to my Debian during console, but i dont know how
04:30<pes502>whet I type "apt-get install xorg" respond is "Can´t find xorg package"
04:31<klh>pes502: try xserver-xorg
04:33<pes502>xserver-xorg can´t find
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04:34<cannesahs>There should be just plain xorg package
04:34<cannesahs>what if you do apt-get update first?
04:36<klh>cannesahs: it's true, it's been so long since I have not installed that I forgot
04:36<pes502>I dont understand
04:37<cannesahs>try "apt-get update" and after it "apt-get install xorg"
04:37<cannesahs>klh, I do not used linux for workstation or gui at all on it. only running servers. but I cheated from aptitude :)
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04:39<pes502>when i type "apt-get update" he want some CD with Linux installation, but i havent got it ... i have got linux install in my USB stick :/
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04:39<jww_>pes502: you need to update your source list.does this computer have internet ?
04:39<cannesahs>pes502: okey. there is /etc/apt/srouces.list file. you need to edit it
04:40<pes502>i cant edit it
04:40<pes502>the file is empty :/
04:40<pes502>*i can edit it :D sorry
04:40<SynrG>spelled correctly?
04:40<cannesahs>it should not be empty
04:40<cannesahs>ups. my typo
04:40<jww_>there should be your CD stuff inside.
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04:42<pes502>so "nano /etc/apt/srouces.list" and what after?
04:42<jww_>are you using lenny or squeeze ?
04:44<jww_>( /etc/debian_version should be 5.x for lenny and 6.x for squeeze ).
04:44<cannesahs>add #-mark to beginning of all current lines. then add lines "deb squeeze main contrib non-free" and "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" to it
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04:45<cannesahs>I assume she/he is using squeeze as installed it just last week
04:46<cannesahs>but if you are using lenny, then replace squeeze with lenny in above mentioned lines.
04:46<pes502>jww: squeeze is my linux
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04:48<jww_>pes502: check my /etc/apt/source.list
04:48<jww_>exept the mirrors are french, this should be ok for you.
04:48<pes502>so my source.list mus look like the your link?
04:49<pes502>i going to copy it :D
04:49<cannesahs>jww_: main and non-free can be on same line :) and using stable is not world best option, as updating to new dist version by accident can break things :)
04:50<EmleyMoor>The DVD is readable - the poor readability occurs around the same places but not always the same way.
04:51<jww_>cannesahs: but I provided some copy/pastable stuff :)
04:53<pes502>what now?
04:54<cannesahs>jww_: stable-part of my config :)
04:54<cannesahs>pes502: run again "apt-get update"
04:56<pes502>what now?
04:56<pes502>apt-get install xorg?
04:56<cannesahs>pes502: yes
04:58<pes502>the same error :/ cant find ... and when i type "apt-get update" he want some CD with Linux netinst 64 ... or something that ... but i havent got any CD :/ only USB stick with installation
05:00<jww_>check your /etc/apt/sources.list .
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05:03<pes502>here is it =
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05:06<SynrG>ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
05:06<pes502>my misteake
05:06<pes502>i updated bad file :D
05:06<pes502>"sources.list" :D and i update "source.list"
05:07<SynrG>ok, now that's just comical. he mispells it, i correct it, and you mistype it
05:08<SynrG>misspell* ;)
05:09<kayaman_00>EmleyMoor, you can do something like this to save an iso file with the same contents of your DVD
05:09<kayaman_00>dd if=/dev/dvd of=/tmp/dvdimg1.iso
05:09<kayaman_00>make sure the device is not mounted
05:10<EmleyMoor>kayaman_00: Will that deal with the reading difficulty?
05:10<cannesahs>if /tmp is ramfs/tmpfs that might be bad ^^
05:10<kayaman_00>it was an example directory to put the iso
05:10<kayaman_00>you can use any other, that will leave an iso image of the disk at your hard drive
05:10<kayaman_00>and you can burn another DVD
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05:11<cannesahs>anyway I would guess it won't fix read errors (try again until sector is read correctly). or does it?
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05:13<kayaman_00>my experience is that dd has helped me recover pretty damaged DVDs
05:13<kayaman_00>..recover the data in it
05:13<jm_>EmleyMoor: apt-cache show myrescue
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05:14<jm_>also gddrescue
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05:16<pes502_>mi back, i must reboot :)
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05:17<pes502>apt-get update is successfull (i think) =
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05:19<pes502>what now?
05:19<cannesahs>"apt-get install xorg"
05:21<EmleyMoor>jm_: Thanks, will try those
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05:26<pes502>and notebook has been rebooted ...
05:26<pes502>startx not working :/
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05:27<SynrG>xorg does not contain startx
05:28<pes502>and how i run it?
05:28<SynrG>it's in the xinit package
05:28<SynrG>also, you need a window manager of some kind
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05:30<pes502>how is a best for me? :D
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05:31<jww_>window manager is a matter of choice.
05:31<jww_>I use awesome, coz it's awesome.
05:32<pes502>I only know KDE and GNOME :D
05:32<cannesahs>I suggest, but let's see channel comments first: run "tasksel" and check "graphical desktop environment" and ok
05:33<pes502>cannesahs: me?
05:33<cannesahs>(as I know nothing what development has happend to GUI side of linux in past 10 years)
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05:35<cannesahs>seems that would install xorg, gnome, openoffice, and lot of smaller xwindow applications.
05:35<pes502>installing GUI
05:35<pes502>and what is "notebook" in command "tasksel" ??
05:36<jm_>it's a collection of packages suitable for laptops
05:37<pes502>but Linux is in my notebook :D
05:37<jm_>so it probably makes sense to install it I'd say
05:37<jm_>but like others said, it's up to you
05:39<cannesahs>that will install wlan, pcmci, bluetooth and powermanagement applications
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05:51<mettao87>hi guys. I have a problem with gnash and youtube. Some videos are black and doesn't start. My version of gnash is 0.8.9dev and I use debian testing. Can you help? thank you.
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05:52<devil>mettao87: gnash is not where it wants to be yet.
05:53<devil>mettao87: your best option without using flash is probably chromium and html5
05:53<mettao87>devil: ok. I'll try whit these. thank you.
05:53<devil>mettao87: you need to set html5 to 'on' on the youtube page
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05:57<mettao87>devil: so, I need to stop using iceweasel and use chromium?
05:57<devil>mettao87: iirc, IW4 can do html5 also
05:57<devil>but please verify that info
05:58<EmleyMoor>Oddly, no errors are being found on this DVD. However, it won't play properly or even consistently
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06:02<mettao87>devil: I'm sorry, how I active html5 on youtube?
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06:07<mettao87>ok, thanks.
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06:15<mettao87>devil: problem not solved. I installed chromium and activated html5 on youtube, but videos are still black. maybe there are some errors but I don't know where.
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06:31<devil>mettao87: i dont use youtube much, but ifi do, 95% is displayed right
06:33<mettao87>devil: this is an example: in this page I can't see any videos.
06:35<devil>mettao87: works here
06:35<babilen>here too fwiw
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06:37<mettao87>devil: can you try right click on video, help, about
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06:55<tdrusk>How come the software sources don't show squeeze main?
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07:01<jm_>tdrusk: but they do
07:02<babilen>jm_: tdrusk was quite impatient and left a minute after asking
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07:03<jm_>babilen: and rejoined too :)
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07:04<tdrusk>jm_:sorry had to reboot. Sorry for the stupid question. Discovered what you were talking about after a solid 10 seconds of looking. Palm -> Forehead. :)
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07:05<babilen>jm_: doh! :)
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07:08<babilen>tdrusk: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy" run "aptitude update" and check "apt-cache policy" and the software sources again?
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07:09<ygetachew>Hello Debian
07:09<babilen>tdrusk: And what is hidden in "Debian Software" ?
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07:09<babilen>tdrusk: I don't use that tool and am unfamiliar with its GUI
07:10<babilen>Hello ygetachew
07:10<tdrusk>babilen: It has check boxes for Officially supported (main) and Source code.
07:11<ygetachew>Thanks Babilen
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07:11<babilen>tdrusk: Isn't that what you were after? If you want a definite answer paste "apt-cache policy" to
07:11<ygetachew>I'm a great fan of Debian
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07:12<tdrusk>Another question. I have only noticed this in Gnome in squeeze. I seem to be having a typing lag. Every few seconds the input will just stop. Sometimes it will accept my input, other times it won't. I do have the correct graphics card driver loaded. What else could it be?
07:12<ygetachew>I haven't used irc
07:12<babilen>ygetachew: I would love to say that Debian is a great fan of you, but I really can not do that. Is there anything we can help you with?
07:12<ygetachew>I've got a new project
07:12<ygetachew>and I wanted my great team of developers to use IRC
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07:12<ygetachew>so that we can communicate well
07:13<ygetachew>our project is a Free software
07:13<ygetachew>it have Five main applications
07:13<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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07:14<babilen>ygetachew: Is this somewhat related to Debian? Please note that this is a channel for technical support of Debian users. If you want to talk/chat or discuss anything unrelated join #debian-offtopic or #moocows.
07:14<ygetachew>I'd look into that
07:15<ygetachew>see you next time
07:15<babilen>have fun!
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07:16<babilen>tdrusk: Hmm, is the system generally unresponsive during that time? Is the input lost ot does it just take longer to appear than usually? Does it happen regardless of the program that receives the input? Can you observe it on the console as well?
07:17<babilen>tdrusk: I have to admit that I am a bit unsure how to debug this :-\
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07:18<tdrusk>It is hard to tell if the whole system is unresponsive because it only lasts one second. The input typically is not lost(let's just say that it isn't for now). EVERY program I have tried does this. The lag is still present in the console.
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07:22<babilen>tdrusk: That sounds like like temporary mini freezes. I would take a good look at some of the log files in /var/log/ such as messages, syslog, kern.log ... You might find something that hints at the origin of the problem.
07:23<babilen>tdrusk: I have not yet heard reports from other users about this, so it might be specific to your system and hardware.
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07:23<pes502>hi babilen :)
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07:23<pes502>my Linux working!!!! :D GUI and WIFI = no problem :)
07:24<tdrusk>babilen: I ran top with a delay of 0.1 an noticed taht it stalled when IEe80211/(
07:24<tdrusk>0 or 1 not sure) reached top.
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07:24<babilen>pes502: Hei! Yeah, I followed along yesterday. Just thought that one helper is enough. If we were all helping you it would be confusing.
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07:24<MrFrood>pes502: you have gui and wifi?
07:24<babilen>tdrusk: Hints at a problem with your wifi drivers. What are you using?
07:24<pes502>yes :)
07:24<pes502>all working
07:25<babilen>pes502: Really? Wonderful!
07:25*babilen does the welcome-to-debian dance
07:25<pes502>now I try to change background color in terminal :) I changed it, but black is no black .... its grey
07:25*MrFrood giggles @ babilen
07:25<pes502>setterm -term linux -back blue -fore white -clear
07:25<tdrusk>Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
07:25<tdrusk>babilen: Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
07:26<pes502>-back black i type ...... but its grey :/
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07:26<babilen>pes502: Err, you most likely want to configure it in gnome-terminal. Right click on your terminal, choose Profiles→Edit Profile and change the colourscheme in there.
07:26<MrFrood>pes502: gnome term?
07:27<babilen>tdrusk: Which driver? If unsure give output of "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network"
07:28<babilen>tdrusk: You have firmware installed? Which kernel version do you use?
07:29<dpkg>[rtl8192ce] The Realtek RTL8188CE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). The vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is included in the mainline Linux kernel since version 2.6.38 (currently not enabled in Debian 2.6.38 linux-image packages, BTS #619051). Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <linux-firmware>.
07:29<tdrusk>babilen: rtl8192CE; 2.6.32-5-amd64
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07:29<babilen>tdrusk: Is your wifi working?
07:30<babilen>tdrusk: Could you please paste the "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" and "dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree" to
07:30<babilen>pes502: did that work?
07:31<pes502>now is my terminal black background color and white foreground color .... its cool :D stupid white bg is not cool :D
07:31<babilen>pes502: I agree :)
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07:31*MrFrood *nods*
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07:31<pes502>Now I need some SW to my new Linux :D
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07:32<pes502>as first I need QIP IM :)
07:32<babilen>pes502: qip?
07:32<pes502>its IM manager :)
07:32<pes502>ICQ, JABBER, FACEBOOK, IRC ... a lots of protocols :)
07:32<pes502>QIP is better for me :D
07:32<meglaw>centerim > all
07:33<pes502>now I´m in my second PC in Firefox - Chatzilla :D
07:33<meglaw>centerim is TUI
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07:33*babilen recommends pidgin
07:33<tdrusk>babilen: yes, my wifi is working. I just got it working constantly last night. I had to change the WEP authentication from open to shared.
07:33<MrFrood>meglaw: weechatn +bitlbee tui & does all
07:34<meglaw>hehe yeah i never liked bitlbee
07:34<tdrusk>seconds pidgin
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07:34<babilen>MrFrood: Hehe, absolutely. But not really something to recommend to a beginner :)
07:34<babilen>And pidgin *is* great.
07:34<MrFrood>babilen: I recomended pidgin to pes502
07:35<dpkg>Pidgin (formerly GAIM) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny, ask me about <lenny-backports>. MSN support is broken and disabled in Lenny's v2.4.3 package (BTS #559982, DSA-2038-1), use a backport. FAQ: . #pidgin on See also <pidgin yahoo>, <pidgin bdo>, <finch>.
07:35<pes502>I know, what is pidgin
07:35<sweetpi>qip only has a windows client
07:35<pes502>I using it in my live CD ...
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07:35<babilen>pes502: I am not sure if QIP (given that it is closed source) is available for Debian.
07:35<pes502>So i must donwload another client :D
07:36<babilen>pes502: Ah, looks as if it only has a Microsoft Windows client as sweetpi points out
07:36<babilen>pes502: use pidgin :)
07:37<pes502>but I have got "problem" with my graphic on Linux (maybe)
07:37<pes502>In Windows all look "more sharper" ?
07:37<babilen>tdrusk: Hei, I'm off for lunch. I would take a good look at your logs and something suspicious in regard to "mini freezes" or your wifi meets the eye. I would also read the bug report mentioned earlier ...
07:38<babilen>tdrusk: I'll think about it and will be back tonight/later
07:38<MrFrood>pes502: what graphics card do you have
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07:39<tdrusk>babilen: Thanks for your help.
07:39<pes502>GeForceNVIDIA® GeForce® GT 130M
07:40<babilen>tdrusk: I would also check if the problem persist if you *don't* use wifi and the module is not loaded.
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07:40<babilen>tdrusk: Good luck and I'll leave you to the helpful hands of the other helpers here and in #debian @ freenode
07:41<tdrusk>babilen: thanks again
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07:41<MrFrood>pes502: you would probably get better results using the offical nvidia drivers (theses come with a restrictive license so are not included by default) - but I would wait a month or so before trying to install them, get some expieriance of using linux first
07:42<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please join #nvidia (
07:42<nevyn>umm nouveau has 3d support isn't that the freaking point? nv has no 3d support
07:42<pes502>MrFrood: so u recommended wait for me?
07:42<pes502>MrFrood: * wait before install it?
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07:43<MrFrood>pes502: yes wait get used to linux/debian first
07:43<jm_>nevyn: nouveau has limited 3D support
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07:45<nevyn>jm_: that's not none.
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07:46<nevyn>but yes limited compared with the proprietary driver
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07:47<jm_>it's a shame their web page doesn't make it easy to see which version is needed for particular thing one is looking for
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07:48<tdrusk>Which logs should I be checking to debug mini-freezes dealing with my wireless card/driver(rtl8192CE)?
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07:49<MrFrood>pes502: may give you some ideas ;)
07:50<pes502>I was downloaded Google chrome .deb package but i dont know, where is it :D
07:50<pes502>Download folders are epty :/
07:50<jm_>pes502: find ~|grep chrome
07:51<pes502>in terminal?
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07:54<Lantizia>When running a script using sudo it obviously runs as root... but is there anyway I can make the script realise sudo was used to gain root?
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07:55<pes502>how can I change language from Czech to English? but I cant write this = ~| :D:D
07:55<dpkg>Squeeze users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
07:55<Lantizia>(this is a Debian 6 system, I only asked in the umbongo channel as there is likely more sudo users there)
07:55<faca>umbongo, hahahahaha
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07:59<babilen>pes502: Just install "chromium" it is essentially chrome
07:59<babilen>,info chromium
07:59<judd>Package chromium (games, extra) in squeeze/i386: transitional dummy package for chromium-bsu. Version:; Size: 17.7k; Installed: 48k; Homepage:
07:59<babilen>pes502: Err, make that chromium-browser :)
07:59<babilen>,info chromium-browser
08:00<judd>Package chromium-browser (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Chromium browser. Version: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; Size: 12818.2k; Installed: 31972k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
08:00<pes502>but I havent got i386
08:00<babilen>pes502: The package is available in amd64 too
08:00<MrFrood>pes502: su -c 'aptitude install chromium-browser'
08:00<babilen>,info chromium-browser --arch amd64
08:00<judd>Package chromium-browser (web, optional) in squeeze/amd64: Chromium browser. Version: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; Size: 14022.3k; Installed: 36956k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
08:00<themill>Lantizia: have a look in the environment. "set | grep SUDO" will be enlightening. sudo(8) has more details.
08:00<pes502>and Its better than Chrome?
08:01<MrFrood>pes502: chrome is based on chromium - so chrome without google fud
08:01<babilen>pes502: Type "su" and enter your root password first to become root and then install it with "aptitude install chromium-browser"
08:01<MrFrood>babilen: already covered that above
08:02<pes502>what is "su -c"
08:02<pes502>Im in terminal as root now :)
08:02<babilen>MrFrood: Damn it! So, now you face the consequences ;)
08:02<babilen>I'm off for lunch .. have fun you all!
08:02<MrFrood>pes502: su -c means run the command as root
08:02<pes502>I think it :D
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08:03<babilen>pes502: But I would recommend to just "su" to become root if you have more to do than just running a single command. The "-c" essentially means "command"
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08:05<pes502>chromium installed
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08:05<pes502>and where can I find packages, that I downloaded?
08:06<resum0n>Hello! someone can help me!? i'm using PEBROT(termial messenger)! running debian lenny 5.0.7 in a insecure network! how can i do ssh tunnel to cryptography my msn conversation...
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08:07<MrFrood>pes502: find ~|grep chrome
08:07<etenil>Hi there
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08:08<resum0n>any ideas? ;s
08:09<jack>resum0n: do you have a remote ssh server?
08:09<pawel>hi guys, is this channel alrigth to ask a newbie questions? It's my first steps with linux and got problem with starting a xserver on a rented server. I dunno if someone could help me. I get error message saying that /dev/tty0 folder is missing I honestly dunno what to do with this - please dont hate :D
08:09<resum0n>jack: yup! i have an server with no-ip to my home!
08:10<pawel>server is running lenny 5.0 btw
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08:10<jack>resum0n: just connect to this server via ssh and istall PEBROT there?
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08:12<jm_>pawel: why would you run X server on a remote system?
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08:12<resum0n>jack: yeah! it's a nice idea :) haha! but... i want know how to this tunnel just for learn more! :)
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08:12<resum0n>jack: i can user pebrot there, but i wanna know how do this tunnel..
08:13<pawel>jm_: good question, you see as a windows user it is easier for me. my last experiance with bash is from DOS era and i thought that graphic interface would be good place to start
08:13<etenil>I've been looking around for a way to mark a package so that it is never installed (no matter the version number), but I couldn't find anything clear as to how to do this. Could someone help?
08:13<etenil>I tried pinning with priority 0, but it only makes a warning and doesn't stop anything
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08:14<pawel>jm_: but maybe i dont have to, i have little task to set up on that server, would you care to help me then if i would tell you what the task is?
08:14<resum0n>jack: for example.. if i DON'T have a server to connect to use pebrot, what i'll need do for tunnel my msn connection!?
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08:15<MrFrood>resum0n: a server to tunnel too?
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08:15<resum0n>MrFrood: sorry!?
08:15<jack>resum0n: as far as i know you will need a remote "something" where would you like to tunnel to?
08:16<etenil>Oh it's alright, actually it needs priority < 0 '-_-
08:16<etenil>sorry for the bother
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08:16<resum0n>jack: no, i need a remote! but how do this tunnel using pebrot in machine HERE and not use pebrot on mu HOUSE's machine.
08:16<resum0n>jack: my house just for tunnel.
08:16<jm_>pawel: well you need X server on windows then, not on linux
08:17<resum0n>jack: sorry, but i'm a newbie yet! i'm learning about linux.
08:17<resum0n>jack: so, try help me please :)
08:17<MrFrood>resum0n: does it use soks?
08:17<pes502>how can i searching for packages via terminal?
08:18<pawel>jm_: i work for the company that develops software filters for games mostly - not only hashing out swear words - but the way to catch peadophils too. i need to set up bots to catch chat lines form irc servers so we can run them against filter to build better software. as we have deal with rackspace, we can take servers only from them and they all run linux - i thought it might be the good time as any to star using it.
08:18<MrFrood>pes502: just type
08:18<pes502>only aptitude?
08:19<resum0n>MrFrood: i think so not! but i cant use other msn client.. as emesene for example.. it's really use socks configs;
08:19<MrFrood>pes502: or use the command 'aptitude search'
08:19<jack>resum0n: try to establish a openvpn tunnel to your home...
08:19<jm_>pawel: I think you don't quite understand how X works - you run X server on your desktop system, and x clients on Linux, that's by far the most useful setup; you can use putty for X11 forwarding, work fine for me at home when I need it on windows
08:20<MrFrood>resum0n: find out what port it uses and google port forwarding
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08:21<pawel>jm_: am afraid I dont :) hence I ask. Quite confused now as to what I sould do
08:21<MrFrood>pes502: just 'aptitude' brings up a text mode graphical'ish interface
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08:22<jww_>pawel: starting to use linux instead of window$ is always good, no need for a good reason :)
08:22<jww_>hi administraotr .
08:22<administraotr>any one here?
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08:22<pawel>jww_: ty, it all feels like a black magic to me but i like it :D
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08:23<jm_>pawel: like I said, install X server (xming is free and easy one to install) and putty on windows, make sure xauth is installed on linux and just try it
08:24<resum0n>MrFrood: pebrot establish a TCP connection with
08:24<pawel>jm_: ok will do right now and will ask if anything goes awry :P
08:24<pawel>jm_: btw thanks for your time and help
08:25<MrFrood>resum0n: that's the ip no the port
08:25*MrFrood is off for some lunch...
08:25<resum0n>MrFrood: pot 1863, no!?
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08:26<MrFrood>sorry yes
08:26<resum0n>MrFrood: netstat -tupan output : tcp 0 0 ESTABLISHED 13748/python
08:27<MrFrood>resum0n: lunch - back later - google 'port forwarding'
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08:29<tdrusk>Hey guys. Having problems with my wireless driver(rtl8192CE) mini-freezing my system. Any specific log I should look at for clues?
08:29<pawel>jm_: ok I have xming up and running in the background on windows machine
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08:29<pawel>jm_: and putty client configured to connect to my server, what now? ;)
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08:30<jm_>pawel: now use putty (enable X11 forwarding) to connect to linux
08:30<Guest345>How can I change the protocol of my nfs-kernel-server to tcp?
08:30<jm_>pawel: then run xclock or somesuch to test
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08:31<pawel>jm_: do i need to write anyting in X display location after enablin X11 forwarding?
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08:31<resum0n>MrFrood: nice! but i'll use port forwarding localhost to tunnel this connection!?
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08:33<jm_>pawel: not usually no
08:33<pawel>jm_: haha just typed that xclock :D wow it works
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08:34<deux>hi everyone, i've looked over the net and couldn't find an answer - so i'm bugging you :-)
08:34<jm_>pawel: right
08:34<Guest345>Does somebody know how to change the protocol of my nfs-kernel-server to tcp? is that even possible?
08:34<deux>my mouse theme is changing when i'm over certain software (vlc for example.)
08:35<pawel>jm_: ok so what do i do now? I mean i typed startx and nothing came up :(
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08:35<deux>is there a way to fix it so it wont?
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08:35<classical>hello someone please give me official documentation about upgrading from lenny to squeeze
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08:36<pawel>jm_: got same eror as previously but still can run that clock :)
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08:37<jm_>pawel: no you don't run startx - startx is used if you're working physically by the server
08:38<jm_>well machine
08:38<jm_>classical: read squeeze release notes
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08:38<pawel>jm_:oh ok so how do I start the Gnome for example?
08:39<jm_>!start gnome
08:39<dpkg>hmm... starting gnome is echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession
08:39<jm_>pawel: so as per above, gnome-session
08:39<Guest345>@classical: Chapter 4. Upgrades from Debian 5.0 (lenny)
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08:40<SynrG>we're tweeting each other here now? :)
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08:41<pawel>jm_ !start gnome gave me same error - cannot open /dev/tty0 dpkg: when writing echo exec [...] i dont get anything - no error message or nothing actually visibly running
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08:42<jm_>pawel: no, you simply type "gnome-session<enter>"
08:43<Guest345>since nobody seems to know about changing the nfs-kernel-server-protocol: I have a problem with my laptop which boots via PXE. the server's syslog shows "Mar 28 14:35:12 dhcppc0 kernel: [ 4308.554968] RPC: multiple fragments per record not supported" I read in the internet that maybe it will be solved by changing the nfs-protocol to tcp. somehwere different I read that it has to to with the atle-network-driver.
08:43<Guest345>does somebody has an idea what i could try?
08:44<classical>jm_, Guest143 thanks
08:44<Guest345>err wrong guest sry^^
08:44<jm_>Guest345: normally one doesn't do this on the server but on the client
08:44<pawel>jm_: ty :) something is happening
08:44<Guest345>@jm: do what on the client?
08:45<pawel>dpkg: ty for help aswell :)
08:45<dpkg>pawel: I give up, what is it?
08:45<jm_>Guest345: set tcp as a protocol to use
08:45<jm_>pawel: dpkg is a bot
08:45<pawel>jm_: lol good to know :D
08:46<Guest345>@jm: ok :) how do i set tcp as the protocol on the client?
08:46<deux>anyone has a clue about the cursor?
08:46<Guest345>@deux: sorry, no
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08:47<deux>well, thanks anyway
08:47<jm_>Guest345: mount -o proto=tcp
08:47<pawel>jm_: hoorayyyy it is starting, i dunno how to thank you ! damn slow though might need to add some more memmory :)
08:48<jm_>pawel: it might also be slow due to it being a remote connection; I recomment trying to use individual apps to see if it will be faster; alternatively you can also look into using freenx
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08:50<pes5021>hi all again :D now im in my Linux in Pidgin :P
08:50<jww_>congrats :)
08:51<pawel>jm_: bit messy with the display too, it is prolly how i configured xming - could you suggest the best window arrangement you use for that - there were four options when starting xming
08:51<pes5021>but I cant connect into my ICQ account :(
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08:52<jm_>pawel: hmm I don't remember how I configured it but it's a mode where X11 clients appear as regular windows apps;, but that's only because I only need one app from Linux (browser); if I need more, I use the mode where all X11 apps are contained in a single windows app window (so you can minimize only that and only see other apps etc.)
08:53<jm_>pawel: I wanted to say I don't remember the wording they use for it (that setup is at home and I'm at work now)
08:53<pawel>jm_: gotcha, well you have helped me a lot, thank you! I will play a bit with it and if anything I will ask again ;)
08:54<jm_>pawel: enjoy
08:55<Guest345>ok, because nobody can help me with my nfs-problem, i will check back later
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08:56<pes502>when i try connect to my ICQ = Received unexpected response from https: / / / AIM /startOSCARSession: Ok
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08:59<babilen>,versions pidgin
08:59<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.11-1; wheezy: 2.7.11-1
08:59<MrFrood>pes502: what client?
08:59<babilen>pes502: That should have been fixed long ago. What is the output of "dpkg -l pidgin|tail -n1" ?
09:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 493] by debhelper
09:01<pes502>ii pidgin 2.7.3-1+squeeze1 graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X
09:01-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
09:01-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@*] by themill
09:01-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
09:01<MrFrood>pes502: you may be better off using a dedicated irc client
09:01<babilen>pes502: Hmm, weird. :-\
09:02<gsimmons>babilen: Probably #602541.
09:02<babilen>!dbugs #602541
09:02<dpkg>DONE:#602541:I[pidgin] pidgin: Logon to ICQ no possible (); Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:27:01 UTC [603952 605563 605564]
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09:03<babilen>Fixed in 2.7.7-1
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09:05<babilen>pes502: Could you try the workaround in ? (disable SSL, and leave "Use clientLogin" enabled)
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09:07<babilen>pes502: Accounts → Manage Accounts → Double click the ICQ one → Advanced → Connection Security → Do not use encryption" (or something like that, disable SSL)
09:07<deux>hi, i have a problem with my mic (not working) anyone can help?
09:07<MrFrood>pes502: try a dedicated client - I use weechat but you may not be ready for that - I hear xchat is a good gui client but I have never tried it - anyone got a suggestions?
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09:08<babilen>MrFrood: This is *not* about IRC -- I agree that a dedicated IRC client (such as xchat) might be a good idea, but it won't help with pes502 ICQ problem
09:08<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. #alsa on
09:08<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
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09:09<deux>thanks, i'll try those
09:09<MrFrood>babilen: oops - miss-read
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09:10<pes502>ICQ ONLINE!!!!!!!!
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09:10<pes502>thanks a lot :)
09:10<deux>one thing - i tried the alsa-firmware, how would i know which one i need to ask about?
09:10<MrFrood>babilen: I just use bitlbee with weechat for ICQ & gtalk but that might be a wee bit complex :-|
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09:11<deux>also - if i install firmware-linux-nonfree would it look for and download all the firmware i need? or is it specific for something?
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09:11<dpkg>Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also and <installer firmware>.
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09:13<gsimmons>deux: No ALSA firmware is currently packaged. Ignore the alsa firmware factoid if you none of the audio devices referenced. Also ask dpkg about microphone.
09:13<babilen>Omi: Yes?
09:13<gsimmons>s/if you/if you have/
09:13<babilen>pes502: wonderful :)
09:13<Omi>babilen, when my debian squeeze boots it says that I should use ATTR instead
09:13<babilen>pes502: I would recommend to read the tutorials we linked yesterday and the debian reference
09:13<pes502>yes yes
09:14<Omi>this occurs with UDEV.. what does it mean?
09:14<babilen>pes502: hehe... Hope you like it so far :)
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09:14<pes502>graphic is not good :/
09:15<babilen>pes502: Well, we can install the nvidia drivers. Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" in here please?
09:15<deux>i read through the website, i didn't get the answer - installing the firmware-linux-nonfree causes detection and installation of all needed software or just of certain hardware?
09:16<Omi>googled around
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09:16<babilen>Omi: Yes, you might have removed but not purged packages around. Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~c" to please?
09:16<deux>also - the microphone has no answers in it (the web page is empty)
09:16<pes502>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce GT 130M] [10de:0652] (rev a1)
09:17<babilen>Omi: That particular bug might also not be fixed in all packages that ship udev rules.
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09:18<Omi>babilen sorry to ask but what ~c stands for?
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09:19<babilen>Omi: "Removed but not purged packages" -- the ~c stands for the config files they leave behind. See
09:19<gsimmons>deux: should hopefully have relevant content.
09:19<Omi>Ah I got it
09:20<Omi>and there's tons of it
09:20<babilen>pes502: Ok, this is going to be another adventure. You have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root and enable non-free sources. You do that by adding "contrib non-free" after "main" in every line that starts with "deb" or "deb-src"
09:20<Omi>I will pos it now, Babilen
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09:21<babilen>pes502: So, please become root ("su") and edit /etc/apt/sources.list with nano -- "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list"
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09:21<pes502>babilen: this is my sources list
09:21<pes502>deb stable main
09:21<pes502>deb-src stable main
09:21<pes502>deb stable non-free
09:21<pes502>deb-src stable non-free
09:21<pes502>deb stable/updates main
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09:21<Black_Prince>He got his connection working?
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09:21<Omi>babilen here it is: //
09:21<babilen>Black_Prince: Yeah, gnome is installed, wifi works ... nvidia drivers are the next thing
09:22<pes502>here, sorry for spam :P
09:22<babilen>Black_Prince: #d so proud
09:22<Omi>pls. check it out and super thanks!
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09:22<pes502>error 404
09:23<babilen>pes502: argh, sorry →
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09:24<babilen>Omi: Well, you can purge all these with "aptitude purge ~c" but you might not want to do that. I would probably do it, but note that this will remove all configuration files that have been left behind. If you want to keep some *don't* purge that package.
09:24<Omi>I will do it now
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09:24<Omi>this might help in my segfault error with skype
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09:25<Black_Prince>pes502, 3rd and 4th line are not necessary ... Just add contrib non-free to the first two and last two lines
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09:25<babilen>pes502: Any particular reason why you use a french mirror not a czech one?
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09:25<pes502>babilen - no :D I'm going to change it
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09:26<pes502>to CZ mirrors
09:26<babilen>pes502: Make it look like and run "aptitude update" as root
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09:27<Omi>babilen an error occurred while processing software center
09:27<babilen>pes502: Note that I replaced "stable" with "squeeze", combined four lines and added contrib as well
09:27<babilen>Omi: what?
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09:28<Omi>It says Errors where encountered while processing software-center
09:28<Omi>I run aptitude search~c
09:28<Omi>I run aptitude search ~c
09:28<Omi>and software-center is left
09:28<babilen>Omi: Paste the error please
09:28<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
09:28<babilen>Omi: Don't run software-center when you use aptitude
09:28<Omi>Errors were encountered while processing:
09:28<Omi> software-center
09:28<Omi>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
09:28<Omi>A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
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09:29<pes502>all changed and updated
09:29<babilen>... also don't paste in the channel. Paste to and paste the *command* as well
09:29<babilen>pes502: wonderful ... The magical command that will install and configure nvida drivers is coming up soon :)
09:30<Black_Prince>Next are nvidia drivers, right?
09:30<Black_Prince>you need nvidia-dkms nvidia-glx and nvidia-xconfig packages
09:30<Black_Prince>so run (as root) apt-get install nvidia-dkms nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx
09:31<pes502>nvidia-dkms cant find
09:31<babilen>pes502: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms" -- When that is installed create a configuration with " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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09:31<Black_Prince>*shrug* ... It is nvidia-kernel-dkms
09:32<Omi>babilen here it is: //
09:32<babilen>pes502: When you have run those commands paste the output of 'dpkg -l "*nvidia*"' and "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" to
09:32<babilen>pes502: And please follow my suggestion :)
09:33<Black_Prince>Yes, use babilen's command
09:33<pes502>used :P
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09:33<babilen>pes502: Could you paste the output of those two commands now? (Just to make sure everyhting is fine)
09:34<pes502>all inexist :/
09:35<Black_Prince>You ran apt-get update after editing sources.list ?
09:35<babilen>pes502: What is the output of "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms" ? → pastebin
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09:36<pes502>babilen: now I downloading packages
09:36<babilen>Omi: That is not the complete output
09:36<babilen>pes502: Wonderful
09:36<pes502>installed (maybe) :D
09:36<babilen>pes502: show us
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09:38<pes502>and here =
09:38<Black_Prince>When that is installed create a configuration with " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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09:38<babilen>pes502: Ah, please run mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
09:38<Black_Prince>It looks like you forgot this step
09:39<pes502>and what now?
09:39<pes502>nothing happened
09:40<babilen>pes502: "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" ?
09:40<Omi>babilen here it is: //
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09:40<babilen>pes502: A lot of commands have no output
09:40<Omi>but almost complete
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09:41<babilen>Omi: "mkdir /var/cache/software-center/xapian/ && aptitude purge software-center" ?
09:42<pes502>what now?
09:42<babilen>pes502: Wonderful, that looks all fine. You now have to reboot to activate those drivers. It *might* happen that the graphical environment does not come up. Lets practice how to come here from the console
09:42<Black_Prince>It looks ok
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09:42<jww_>I try to get a ssh tunnel working, from my computer to another computer ( ) , to check web page on server ( ).the tunnel seems to open ok, but browsers get stuck. here is my ssh line :
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09:42<jww_>sudo ssh -N -L 80: root@
09:42<pes502>ok, Im going to reboot
09:42<babilen>pes502: When it is not working you are either directly in front of a console, or can get there with ALT-CTRL-F1 ...
09:43<jww_>cna somebody help please ? I would swear it was working before.
09:43<Omi>babilen: It cannot create directory cuz No such file or directory
09:43<Omi>that is the result
09:43<Black_Prince>use mkdir with -p switch
09:43<babilen>pes502: Log in there to get a console .. What is important that you know how to come here from the console. I would *now* install irssi with "aptitude install irssi" and we play with it.
09:43<babilen>Omi: what Black_Prince said
09:44<babilen>pes502: Then start irssi and connect to this server with "/connect" and join this channel with "/join #debian"
09:45<babilen>pes502: Could you do that first, so we know that you can come here if something goes wrong?
09:45<Omi>yes! Babilen it worked
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09:46<Omi>alot black prince
09:46*Black_Prince gives babilen his credit
09:46<Omi>thanks babilen
09:46<Omi>the most
09:46*babilen hands Black_Prince his share
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09:48<pes502>im here :)
09:48<Black_Prince>Is it working?
09:48<babilen>pes502: great, did you reboot?
09:48<babilen>wonderful, graphics better?
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09:48<Black_Prince>Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
09:49<MrFrood>is it a resolution thing?
09:49<pes502>maybe :)
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09:49<pes502>I cant change resolutio
09:49<babilen>Ok, I have to work now. Have fun and good luck! "xrandr -q" might be of interest as well as the xorg log
09:49<MrFrood>pes502: are you using an lcd display?
09:49<rainys500i>hello everyone
09:49<pes502>notebook with LCD display :)
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09:51<MrFrood>what is the native resolution of the display?
09:52<deux>hi, i was here earlier, tried the alsa mixer msg and wasn't able to configure mic
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09:52<deux>maybe someone can help me? i think my mic isn't recognized, but not sure
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09:54<pes502>MrFrood: uh ... 1600x900
09:56<MrFrood>pes502: have yo an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
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09:57<Omi>I did not mean to forget you
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09:57<Omi>that is why
09:57<Omi>that is was
09:58<Omi>typo error4s
09:58<Omi>anyway, super thanks!!
09:58<Omi>and super thanks to black prince
09:58<deux>anyone has any idea?
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09:59<MrFrood>pes502: if you have an xorg.conf can you pastebin it?
09:59<pes502>file is empty
09:59<flamingspinach_>hey, can anyone help me with apt pinning? I tried pinning to 1000 but `apt-cache policy` seems to indicate it won't go any higher than 990 - why?
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10:01<MrFrood>pes502: try the command xdpyinfo | grep 'dimensions:'
10:01<deux>how do i check which hardware is my internal mic so i can find the drivers for it
10:01<flamingspinach_>lspci might help
10:01<MrFrood>pes502: and tell me the result
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10:02<pes502>dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (383x212 millimeters)
10:03<MrFrood>ok so I think you are running at the correct resolution
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10:05<pes502>MrFrood: :/
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10:05<pes502>but text is .... not normal :/ and graphics is ... :P
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10:06<MrFrood>pes502: I use the same resolution, is my .fonts.conf try saving it in your home directory and restart X
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10:06<superlinux>hi. there is someone who is asking on our forum this: every time he reboots his system the /dev/ttyUSB(n) (n is a number) points to a different device other than what he assigned first. so how can he fix this? (re-phrasing)
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10:07<MrFrood>pes502: do not forget the dots in the file name
10:07<superlinux>i will explain more.
10:08<pes502>MrFrood: dont understand, how must I save it
10:08<Black_Prince>Open terminal, do nano ~/.fonts.conf
10:09<babilen>pes502: What is the output of "xrandr -q" ?
10:09<MrFrood>pes502: copy into a text editor and save
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10:10<kop>superlinux: Don't post both in here and on freenode.
10:10<superlinux>kop, aren't they different?
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10:10<kop>superlinux: The same people are often in both and the ettiqute is to just post in one.
10:11<kop>superlinux: What version of debian?
10:11<MrFrood>pes502: I'm going to be away for a few minutes
10:11<superlinux>kop, ok bro. thanks
10:11<superlinux>kop, regradless of the version. isn't this a udev issue?
10:12<kop>superlinux: Yes, but I think it's fixed in squeeze but I've not yet tested it.
10:12<superlinux>ah ok
10:12<superlinux>no he uses our rival ubuntu
10:13<SynrG>superlinux: the version of debian is important. yes, it appears to be a udev issue, but we won't have a productive discussion about an OS we don't support
10:13<superlinux>SynrG, anyways let him fix it
10:13<superlinux>just I needed to know
10:13<babilen>superlinux: Therefore ask in #ubuntu on freenode
10:13<superlinux>i will re-ask it in ubunu
10:14<SynrG>please consider this for future inquiries, too
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10:14<superlinux>I have just read the disro he uses. 1000 apologies
10:14<viper3k>Hi... this is not persee a debian question .. but I'm am mostly using debian so that's why I am here..
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10:15<viper3k>I've been running linux boxes for quite some time now and can use it fairly well but
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10:15<viper3k>I'd like to have a better understanding on how linux (debian) works ..
10:15<viper3k>any good book reccomandations or tutorial sites ??
10:16<babilen>viper3k: There is the Debian reference -- /msg dpkg reference -- and for example
10:16<kop>viper3k: What do you mean "how it works?". The debian reference can be good for some stuff.
10:16*MrFrood (back) @ pes502
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10:17<viper3k>it;s like this ..
10:17<kop>!tell viper3k about enter
10:17<SynrG>viper3k: i can't make any particular recommendation because i didn't learn debian from a book or a tutorial site.
10:17<viper3k>I know how to use the stuff I have .. and can play around
10:17*babilen removes viper3k's enter key
10:17<SynrG>viper3k: the *best* way to learn is to try new things and then read relevant doc as you go. does your problem involve shell? are you stuck? read all the shell doc you can get your hands on ...
10:17<viper3k>but when a problem occurs or new things need to be done .. I'm get stuck pretty quick because I just have no real knowledge on how the system opperates
10:18<viper3k>babilen : sorry ;)
10:18<SynrG>viper3k: still having trouble after reading the doc? make yourself read more code. study line-by-line until you understand every line
10:18<babilen>viper3k: Well, read the reference and the book I linked. I found that the best way to learn Debian is to set yourself goals like "I want to FOO" and then read about FOO
10:18<SynrG>gradually, you become more acquainted.
10:19<viper3k>true .. that;s how I got where I am today :) ..
10:19<viper3k>hmm ok
10:19<SynrG>if you find dry reference materials boring, follow some blogs.
10:19<kop>viper3k: The Linux Administration Handbook (SBN-13: 978-0130084668) is the classic and has a publishing history going back to Unix and the 1970s.
10:19<viper3k>babilen .. what link ?
10:19<babilen>viper3k: See above
10:19<viper3k>kop : thanks .. I'll have a look
10:19<kop>viper3k: Yes. Learn to use less and info and so be able to search/read the man an info pages and just do things.
10:19<SynrG> has some interested stuff, sometimes aimed at other developers with a lot of experience, sometimes aimed at people with little experience. find a few that you get a lot out of and follow them.
10:20<babilen>viper3k: There is the Debian reference -- /msg dpkg reference -- and for example
10:20<viper3k>ok .. thanks
10:20<babilen>viper3k: Yeah, kop's suggestion is a *very* good book, but not Debian specific. Take a look at madduck's book
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10:20<kop>viper3k: man bash wouldn't hurt either so you can read the startup scripts and other system scripts.
10:20<viper3k>ok I will .. thanks for the jumpstart
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10:21<bgat>where do I go for help with make-kpkg? I'm getting an error that I can't seem to get around.
10:21<SynrG>just ask your question
10:21<Black_Prince>bgat ask here
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10:23<home-alone>hi how to install Open office ...???
10:23<kop>babilen: is the madduck book?
10:23<Black_Prince>apt-get install as root ...
10:23<babilen>kop: yes
10:23<flamingspinach_>can anyone help me with my question about apt pinning? :) it was a couple screens back
10:23<pes502>MrFrood: can u post me screen of ur system?
10:23<Black_Prince>Dont ask to ask, just ask
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10:24<kop>home-alone: If you're asking questions like that you're probably new to debian. Check out the wiki url in the following and follow the advice, particuarly that in the footnotes.
10:24<kop>!tell home-alone about overview
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10:24<MrFrood>a screen shot?
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10:24<flamingspinach_>Black_Prince: I tried pinning to 1000 but `apt-cache policy` seems to indicate it won't go any higher than 990 - why?
10:24<pes502>MrFrood: yes
10:25<home-alone>thank you . open office is installing now . what is difference between OO and Libre Office..???
10:25<babilen>flamingspinach_: 1000 -10 = 990 ;)
10:25<bgat>basically, I'm trying to run make-kpkg and it's failing with an error: cannot create debian/stamp/build/buildpackage: Directory nonexistent
10:25<flamingspinach_>babilen: ... lmao, is that really it? :D
10:25<flamingspinach_>let me try pinning to 1011 then... hahah
10:26<babilen>flamingspinach_: Why do you want it to be exactly 1000 ?
10:26<kop>home-alone: Debian will be moving to libre-office. The project forked when Oracle took over OpenOffice and changed the rules for development.
10:26<bgat>the problem seems to be that there is no debian/stamp/build directory; I have created that manually, and it disapears on each build
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10:26<flamingspinach_>babilen: well, I don't, I just want to downgrade to testing from my current odd mix of testing, unstable, and one experimental package
10:26<home-alone>means Open Office is no more opensource..???
10:26<bgat>make-kpkg is still the right way to build kernels for Debian, right? :)
10:27<flamingspinach_>(I was dumb and wanted to install firefox 4 beta back when it was still in beta :) )
10:27<babilen>flamingspinach_: If you want to downgrade something you have to pin it to a priority >= 1001 not >= 1000
10:27<tiako>Hello, I was curious is there anyway to make the drop down menu clear?
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10:27<flamingspinach_>yup, hence 1011 (I realized that more recently than when I made that pastebin page)
10:27<pes502>Chromium is strange browser :/
10:28<flamingspinach_>babilen: hmm, it is oddly not working... still pinning at 990
10:28<tiako>I like chromium
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10:29<babilen>flamingspinach_: remove the second pinning, and pin testing to 1001 and paste the output of "apt-cache policy" along with your pinning policy
10:29<flamingspinach_>(I just changed "Pin-Priority: 1000" to "Pin-Priority: 1011", but `apt-cache policy` still returns the same result)
10:29<flamingspinach_>ok, hang on
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10:31<flamingspinach_>er, sorry
10:31<flamingspinach_>I pinned it to 1011 again, let me pin it to 1001
10:32<flamingspinach_>the result is the same
10:32<home-alone>is Libre office in debian PPA
10:33<babilen>flamingspinach_: You just have: now? What if you pin by "n=wheezy" ?
10:33<babilen>home-alone: Debian does not have PPAs
10:33<flamingspinach_>babilen: yup, that is what I have now. I'll try that...
10:33<MrFrood>home-alone: in sid should make testing and backports soon
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10:33<kop>home-alone: It'll almost surely make it into backports one of these days.
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10:34<pes502>I downloaded CZ language to Chromium, but all in English :( why?
10:34<home-alone>@Kop : am looking forward for Libre Office . as you mentioned Oracle has taken over OO .
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10:35<flamingspinach_>babilen: oh, I figured it out - I had "AT::Default-Release \"wheezy\";" in apt.conf, d'oh
10:35<flamingspinach_>I guess that overrides apt pinning in preferences...
10:35<flamingspinach_>er, "APT::[...]" of course
10:35<MrFrood>pes502: did you restart chomium?
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10:36<pes502>MrFrood: yes and i was reboot notebook too :)ú
10:36<MrFrood>pes502: and did you see the screen shots?
10:36<babilen>flamingspinach_: It surely does. I should have mentioned it, but as it is an orthogonal method to pinning I (wrongly) assumed that you did you use that method. *sigh* sorry
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10:37<MrFrood>pes502: check the settings/preferances of chromium
10:37<babilen>pes502: You can choose a language on during the login after you've selected your user
10:37<flamingspinach_>babilen: not at all, my fault for not having mentioned it. Thanks for your help :)
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10:37<babilen>pes502: And also check the settings of chromium, you might be able to customise it
10:38<pes502>ok i gonna to reboot
10:38<babilen>flamingspinach_: btw, the 1000 - 10 = 990 was a joke (to make that clear and don't have it stick in your mind)
10:38<pes502>wait pls
10:38<babilen>pes502: No need to reboot or?
10:38<flamingspinach_>babilen: oh, lol
10:38<flamingspinach_>yeah, I didn't see that anywhere in the docs...
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10:39<babilen>flamingspinach_: Yeah, I just wanted to make it clear as you might get the wrong idea. :)
10:39<Black_Prince>damn, I guess Iceweasel 4 from doesn't have iceweasel-l10n-xx packages?
10:39<flamingspinach_>I might indeed! :)
10:39<babilen>flamingspinach_: so, all is fine now?
10:40<flamingspinach_>yup, assuming I can get aptitude to agree with apt-cache instead of telling me to upgrade more packages instead of downgrading them...
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10:40<babilen>flamingspinach_: A downgrade is essentially an upgrade to a lower version :)
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10:41<flamingspinach_>indeed, but the version numbers it is giving me are actually higher
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10:41<pes502>after reboot is Chromium in EN :(
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10:42<bgat>can anyon help me with a make-kpkg problem?
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10:44<SynrG>bgat: i don't know. especially with the cross-compile stuff
10:44<MrFrood>pes502: have you checked the prefrances/settins in chromium?
10:44<flamingspinach_>oh, I see what's happening
10:44<bgat>SynrG: pretend it isn't being cross-compiled. Any ideas then? :)
10:44<SynrG>!tell bgat about compile kernel
10:44<flamingspinach_>aptitude sees the possibility to upgrade some things, but it still lists those things under "installed packages" rather than "upgradable packages", and hitting U doesn't mark them for installation
10:45<SynrG>that being said, i thought that factoid had a pointer to the wiki ...
10:45<babilen>flamingspinach_: Just run "aptitude full-upgrade"
10:45<bgat>SynrG: ok, I'll go over that stuff again. Thanks!
10:45<SynrG>bgat: must have been a different factoid
10:45<SynrG>the DebianKernel wiki points you at a different howto that is a variation of the process outlined in the kernel handbook
10:46<SynrG>that's the process i've used successfully. haven't used make-kpkg in a while
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10:46<SynrG>of course, make-kpkg should work anyway, but i don't recognize the error (and my familiarity with it has faded through disuse over the years)
10:46<SynrG>maybe someone else could have a look and see if hey can sort it out?
10:47<SynrG>!tell bgat about kernel compile
10:47<SynrG>that's the one i was thinking of
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10:48<bgat>SynrG: got it. Thanks!
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10:54<MrFrood>very odd
10:55<MrFrood>that it's english
10:55<pes502>yes, but I need czech
10:55<pes502>I was deleted all other languages
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11:03<MrFrood>pes502: is iceweasel in cz
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11:03<babilen>FWIW, that setting does not set the language of chromium, but the preferred language(s) on websites you visit
11:04<babilen>I'll play around a little. Can't be that hard :)
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11:07<pes502>now i have got Chromium in CZ :)
11:07<pes502>i was downloaded this package =
11:07<babilen>pes502: Could you paste the output of "locales" please?
11:08<babilen>err, locale that is
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11:08<pes502>babilen: what?
11:08<babilen>pes502: Yeah, I was just testing it ... Forget it
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11:09<pes502>and now I need Java into my Chromium :/ I was downloaded and installed package (with tutorial), but Java is not detected in my Chromium :(
11:09<babilen>pes502: btw, l10n == localisation -- l + 10 letters + n
11:09<babilen>pes502: How did you install java?
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11:10<pes502>with this tutorial
11:10<babilen>pes502: Not supported in Debian and by #debian
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11:10<babilen>pes502: You almost *never* have to download anything from the internet
11:10<pes502>oh, sorry
11:10<MrFrood>pes502: you should check the debian wiki first ;)
11:11<babilen>So, how to get rid of that?
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11:12<babilen>And now he hides
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11:32<flamingspinach_>another question... is there a way to use the netinst to just install desktop-base on a fresh Debian install but not any particular desktop environment? I want to run xmonad as my winow manager and don't really want anything more fancy than that, and it seems a bit tedious to rip out gnome after the fact
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11:33<weasel>flamingspinach_: just don't install the desktop task?
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11:33<flamingspinach_>does the desktop task install a desktop environment?
11:34<flamingspinach_>I thought it installed useful stuff like xorg and a display manager...
11:34<babilen>that is what it does, yes
11:34<weasel>flamingspinach_: you can always install that later
11:34<weasel>just apt-get install <whatever you like>
11:35<flamingspinach_>there doesn't seem to be any option in debian-installer to not pick any DE... well, I guess it would come later in the installation process if I choose "expert install" (?)
11:36<babilen>flamingspinach_: Just don't install the desktop task
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11:36<flamingspinach_>sounds good...
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11:38<ottoshmidt>do you know how to get sound device name?
11:39<ottoshmidt>aplay -l show this
11:39<ottoshmidt>card 2: SI7012 [SiS SI7012], device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
11:39<cahoot>aplay -l (or L)
11:39<flamingspinach_>lspci might tell you, I think
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11:39<ottoshmidt>cahoot, and which one is the name of my device?
11:39<cahoot>depends on what you really mean
11:40<ottoshmidt>cahoot, I want alsamixer to open specific device
11:40<cahoot>alsa's name for it?
11:40<ottoshmidt>alsamixer --device=NAME
11:40<ottoshmidt>where is this NAME
11:40<nevyn>ottoshmidt: cat /proc/asound/cards
11:40<cahoot>ottoshmidt: cat /proc/asound/cards
11:40<nevyn>inside the sqare brackets
11:41<ottoshmidt>with root: permission denied
11:41<cahoot>ottoshmidt: or simplly use its number - like alsamixer -c1
11:41<nevyn>cahoot: doesn't work well if the cards are usb but for this it's probably fine.
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11:44<ottoshmidt>ALSA lib control.c:882:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL SI7012
11:44<ottoshmidt>cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
11:44<EmleyMoor>I'm not getting any sound from xine any more - though it works in other apps. Any way I can find out why or fix it?
11:44<nevyn>ottoshmidt: try alsamixer -c 2
11:45<nevyn>ottoshmidt: /proc/asound/cards is world readable.
11:45<ottoshmidt>nevyn, works
11:45<nevyn>ottoshmidt: you shouldn't need root access to read it.
11:46<ottoshmidt>nevyn, I used it without cat
11:46<nevyn>yeah it's not executable.
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12:05<newman555>Hi! Recently upgraded my system from 3gb to 8gb and I was wondering what would be the best way for Debian to recognize the difference: install amd64 or try PAE kernel upgrade? I don't know if it's a stupid question, but I've never had more than 3gb or ram before :)
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12:06<jhutchins_lt>newman555: You're on a stock i386 kernel?
12:06<newman555>jhutchins_lt: yes
12:07<sney>BIGMEM would be the easiest solution
12:07<jhutchins_lt>Easiest would be the bigmem kernel then.
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12:07<jhutchins_lt>Going amd64 would take a clean install.
12:07<babilen>newman555: You can also install the amd64 kernel in the interim phase.
12:08<newman555>jhutchins_lt: yeah, I know, that's why I'm asking, cause it would be a big job, lots of stuff installed. The first reason I bought more RAM is because of virtualization...
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12:08<babilen>I would probably just install an amd64 kernel and don't bother with the bigmem ones
12:08<newman555>babilen: sorry, could you explain?
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12:08<babilen>newman555: Just install linux-image-2.6-amd64
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12:08<babilen>newman555: You'll end up with 64bit kernel and 32bit userland
12:08<nevyn>newman555: if you want to do virtualisation you probably want an amd64 kernel
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12:09<newman555>OK, so I'm using a lot of virtualization, and the best way to have the best possible performance is a clean amd64 install??
12:10<babilen>newman555: Ah clean install would be best, but as I said, you can easily install an amd64 kernel on your i386 box.
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12:11<newman555>And maybe this is also a stupid question, but what about apps on amd64...I'm using php, mysql, problem with "the standard" applications?
12:11<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Any disadvantages to that?
12:11<nevyn>newman555: if there is install them in a 32bit virtual
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12:12<sney>jhutchins_lt: 32-bit memory limit stays for individual userland applications
12:12<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Well, userland application will still face the same memory restrictions as with a i386 kernel, but the kernel itself can address the complete memory.
12:12<newman555>Ah, OK, so it will be a new start :) Thanks everybody, love this place, always everyone trying to help.
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12:12<jhutchins_lt>Interesting. Might be useful for a multi-process web site.
12:13<sney>my only experience with 64/32 was on sparc systems, since they perform best that way
12:13<babilen>newman555: You are welcome ... Take a seat and have a cookie :)
12:13<newman555>babilen: :)
12:13<nevyn>sney: you said sparc and perform in the same sentance.
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12:15<sney>nevyn: spoken like a man who's never used a U80.
12:15<nevyn>dude I couldn't afford one I was like 15 :)
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12:16<sney>a lot of compsci types have a low opinion of sparc systems since ultra 10s are common on uni campuses
12:16<sney>and the ultra 10 is turrible
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13:29<Lantizia>Is there any recommended (and thus documented) place to put a swapfile? (i.e. /swap, /swapfile, maybe in /var somewhere?)
13:30<babilen>Lantizia: /var/swap feels reasonable ... /var/local/swap even more so
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13:31<Lantizia>babilen, but that is just your opinion - are there any docs?
13:32<babilen>That is my very humble opinion
13:34<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: Since swap files are not standard, there is not a standard location for them (as far as I know).
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13:38<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: Most articles that say how to make a swapfile use the root directory (/swapfile).
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13:39<ani>hi oOze
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13:55<lexi>I have read through the explanations of what each partition is for but I'm really not confident enough to come up with a configuration myself. The server is the lowest offer on OVH, it has 8GB ram and 1000 GB of space and it uses Sofware RAID 1. I'm using the server is a LAMP (webserver). So it's going to be storing all the website content which is not static (it will grow), there is also /var/log
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13:56<lexi>I was thinking of having /var/www as a separate partition to /var
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13:57<jhutchins_lt>lexi: I recommend that you use a single partition then. Unless you already know for sure where your data is going to accumulate, yo are guaranteed to find that the space you need is on the wrong partition.
13:57<crazy>Olá a todos!
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13:58<crazy>Por favor preciso de ajuda!
13:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:58<crazy>Alguém pode me dizer o que significa x no Debian?
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13:58<lexi>jhutchins_lt: except that setuid should be turned off on /home
13:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:59<lexi>also if /tmp expands then the /root won't crash
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13:59<jhutchins_lt>Never had that happen, having built literally hundreds of systems over the years.
14:00<jhutchins_lt>Besides which, many modern systems put /tmp in swap or ram.
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14:00<lexi>surely nothing in /var/www or /home should be able to setuid
14:01<lexi>where as many things in / will be able to
14:01<lexi>or /tmp for that matter
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14:04<jhutchins_lt>Lexi it depends entirely on how you're using the system. Default distro installs to a single partition have never been a problem for me.
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14:06<lexi>surely the issues I'm describing are more to do with security and not about how I use the system but more whether it is connected to the internet
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14:17<vizzord>hi ) does anybody know workin plugin for encrypt messages for pidgin ?
14:18<lexi>(off the record messaging)
14:18<lexi>it's on debian
14:18<vizzord>how can i install it ?
14:18<lexi>software center
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14:19<lexi>if you go to the software center and type in OTR it should be one of the packages, then just install it and in tools->plugins just enable off the record messaging
14:19<lexi>then once you have enabled it on every chat window it should tell you if it is private, the other person will have to install the same plugin
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14:20<lexi>if they are using adium it's automaticly built in, if it's on windows then google off the record messaging and it's the cypherphunks url for the install file
14:20<vizzord>thank you, i'll try it. but what have other person to do if she uses ubuntu ?
14:21<lexi>same thing as on debian
14:21<lexi>software center -> OTR
14:21<lexi>if you have any trouble on ubuntu
14:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:22<vizzord>oh, i found it, in google ) didnot heard about it the OTR before. thank you alot !
14:24<lexi>no worries
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14:33<vizzord>lexi, it's cool plugin , thank you again ))
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15:21<sleipnir>Having trouble setting up wacom tablet functionality on HP Compaq TC4400.
15:21<dpkg>hmm... wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html
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15:49<tutankhamon>sera atutti
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15:57<wermesonlt>alguem ai
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15:59<pparadis>local man wakes to find he has super cow powers. film at 11.
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16:28<mutante>cowsay is already the newest version.
16:28<mutante>-bash: cowsay: command not found
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16:29<petemc>check path
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16:29<mutante>ii cowsay 3.03+dfsg1-2 A configurable talking cow
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16:29<mutante>which cowsay = nothing
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16:29<petemc>dpkf -L cowsay
16:30<petemc>echo $PATH
16:30<ompaul>which cowsay
16:30<mutante>thanks, got it, /usr/games disappeared from PATH somehow
16:30<equity23>do you know a graphical caldav client that does not depend on gnome, kde or qt?
16:31<mutante>i see, a root is not supposed to play games, a regular user is :)
16:31<ompaul>mutante: ehhh root does not have /games
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16:32<mutante>cowsay aint a game, i need it to create /etc/issue files :p
16:32<ompaul>essential gaming eh?
16:32<SynrG>mutante: so just specify explicit path to it
16:32<mutante>will do:)
16:32<przemoc>hi, I have mobo (nVidia nForce 4 Ultra + CK804) w/ builtin Realtek ALC850. How can I set it to have beeps only via sound speakers and not via pc speaker? I have PC Speaker volume maximized for CK804, but
16:32<przemoc>I don't hear anything unless I load snd-pcsp
16:33<przemoc>but then I hear sound from both...
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16:34<SynrG>do you have a beep channel?
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16:35<przemoc>I have PC Speaker channel, don't see a beep one
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16:35<SynrG>ok. some devices do
16:35<SynrG>dunno, thekrikkitn
16:35<SynrG>dunno, then
16:36<przemoc>if I mute PC Speaker in pcsp, then I don't hear it regardless of settings in CK804
16:36<przemoc>If it's not muted, then volume control in CK804 has its proper meaning
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16:37<przemoc>I think I've seen beep ch in my laptop
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16:37<jcarlos>I'm going to resize my root partition with gparted (I'm using debian sid with grub2 as boot manager). I can see that my /boot/grub/grub.cfg file has references to my root partition by uuid. Can someone tell me what command must I run to update this grub.cfg file to use the new uuid my root partition will have ?
16:38<equity23>jcarlos: update-grub ?
16:40<SynrG>przemoc: i guess if you're not finding help here, talk to alsa about it
16:40<SynrG>!tell przemoc about alsa
16:40<jcarlos>equity23: Mmmm ... I understand now ... the reference in the grub.cfg file to grub-mkconfig confused me ...
16:41<przemoc>SynrG: thx
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17:12<retrospectacus>hello, I'm using netcat to pipe a command output to a remote file. It works fine except I have to press Ctrl-C on the sender after it's finished or it will just hang forever.
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17:13<pparadis>what happens if you send a carriage return after it?
17:13<retrospectacus>I have remote:# nc -l -p 3382 | gzip> output.gz
17:13<retrospectacus>and local:# svnadmin dump ./pgm2 -r224:HEAD |nc remote 3382
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17:14<retrospectacus>pparadis: I tested with "echo blahdj" instead of the svnadmin command
17:14<retrospectacus>everything works except I have to ^C on the sender once I know it's done outputting
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17:14<pparadis>right, what happens if you do: echo -e "blah\n"
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17:17<cannesahs>so does your sending nc stay alive and after you kill it with ^C your tcp connection closes and listener close too then?
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17:19<retrospectacus>pparadis: no difference
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17:19<retrospectacus>cannesahs: correct, and everything is perfect
17:20<retrospectacus>but I don't want to have to ^C
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17:21<cannesahs>add -c parameter to sending nc?
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17:23<retrospectacus>that does not look useful: -c string specify shell commands to exec after connect
17:23<retrospectacus>what command would I specify cannesahs ?
17:24<cannesahs>okey. in GNU version -c closes connection on EOF
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17:25<cannesahs>install netcat package instead of netcat-traditional
17:25<cannesahs>ah. nvm
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17:27<cannesahs>how about -q 0 (or -q 1
17:27<cannesahs>in traditional netcat, that you are using atm
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17:28<cannesahs>-q 0 should do it, yep
17:29<retrospectacus>let me try
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17:29<retrospectacus>wicked, that worked
17:30<retrospectacus>I believe I tried that before but on the remote - had no effect
17:30<retrospectacus>of course it should be the sender nc - my bad
17:30<retrospectacus>thanks cannesahs
17:30<cannesahs>happy to help
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17:31<pparadis>nice :)
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17:51<almeida>todos aqui sao mestre Linux
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17:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:52<almeida>Desculpa ai
17:52<streuner_>omg, another spanish spammer
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17:57<costas>hello all
17:58<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please join #nvidia (
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18:47<costas>#Ubuntu is quite...
18:48<abrotman>but this is #debian ...
18:48<costas>new version allready?
18:48<costas>I'm there too abrotman
18:48<abrotman>Uhhuh .. and we care why?
18:48<costas>linux is easy, I tried 12 flavours this year to check them out
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18:50<abrotman>costas: please use #debian-offtopic .. this isn't a social channel
18:51<costas>sorry abrotman
18:51<meglaw>i have a little question, i got a bluetoothadapter, and i seem to see it, and it seems to have loaded modules for it, but what do i do now? how do i use it? ;)
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18:52<warrenchild>hey is this the debian help channel?
18:52<abrotman>this is one of them
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18:56<warrenchild>is anyone here adequite with debian server and permission set ups?
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18:58<retrospectacus>!tell warrenchild about ask
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19:00<devil>oh, a meta-questiion :)
19:01<retrospectacus>yeah why not just come and say "can everyone here tell me everything they know, please?"
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19:04<s_i_m>anybody knows where I can find a more recent docs on tc filter than LARTC?
19:05<abrotman> ?
19:05<s_i_m>builtin help in tc contradicts itself...
19:06<s_i_m>abrotman, any more precise reference? =)
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19:12<Black_Prince>Can everyone here tell me everything they know, please
19:12<s_i_m>that will be too much for this channel
19:12<Black_Prince>Just kidding
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19:20<dpkg>hmm... smoking is bad!
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19:24<Marsha||[a]>anyone can help me with OpenVZ ?
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19:26<Marsha||[a]>trying to start my VPS
19:26<Marsha||[a]>i get this error
19:27<Marsha||[a]>Starting container ...
19:27<Marsha||[a]>vzquota : (error) Quota on syscall for id 101: File exists
19:27<Marsha||[a]>vzquota on failed [3]
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19:30<retrospectacus>Marsha||[a]: vzquota drop 101 and try again
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19:35<Marsha||[a]>[root@dragon169 ~]# vzctl start 101
19:35<Marsha||[a]>Starting container ...
19:35<Marsha||[a]>Initializing quota ...
19:35<Marsha||[a]>vzquota : (error) Quota on syscall for id 101: File exists
19:35<Marsha||[a]>vzquota on failed [3]
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19:35<Marsha||[a]>ops sorry lol
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19:37<retrospectacus>and you tried "vzquota drop 101" first?
19:37<Marsha||[a]>yes sure
19:37<retrospectacus>have you quotas in /etc/fstab on the VZ host?
19:38<Marsha||[a]>its a new dedi
19:38<Marsha||[a]>1.3TB free
19:38<retrospectacus>Marsha||[a]: have you quotas in /etc/fstab on the VZ host?
19:39<Marsha||[a]>not sure how to check
19:39<Marsha||[a]>new very pro
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19:39<retrospectacus>read the file /etc/fstab on the VZ host and see if it says anything about quotas in the mount options
19:40<Marsha||[a]>ok will do now
19:42<retrospectacus>yes see line 1: usrjquota=aquota.user,$
19:42<retrospectacus>the $ means there is more text to the right
19:42<retrospectacus>edit that file and remove the stuff about quotas
19:42<Marsha||[a]>/dev/md1 / ext3 usrjquota=aquota.user,,jqfmt=vfsv0 1 1
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19:43<retrospectacus>yes you have quotas there which are causing that problem...
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19:43<retrospectacus>however I don't know what all that usrjquota=aquota.user,,jqfmt=vfsv0 means
19:43<retrospectacus>you may try removing all that and put "defaults"
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19:44<retrospectacus>you will have to reboot
19:44<retrospectacus>hopefully it starts ok ;)
19:44<Marsha||[a]>hope so
19:44<Marsha||[a]>will try now
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19:48<Marsha||[a]>hope i didnt upset it
19:49<Marsha||[a]>didnt come online yet lol
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19:49<Marsha||[a]>its back :D
19:50<Marsha||[a]>its running :D
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19:50<Marsha||[a]>YES :D
19:51<retrospectacus>!congratulate Marsha||[a]
19:51<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Marsha||[a], you did it!
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19:51<Marsha||[a]>retrospectacus, THANK U
19:51<Marsha||[a]>no thanks command ? :P
19:51<retrospectacus>:) pay it forward
19:52<Marsha||[a]>ok time for cpanel install :D
19:52<Marsha||[a]>i go enjoy my dedi thanks again mate :)
19:52<retrospectacus>sure thing
19:54<abrotman>oh goodie ..
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20:36<tharkun>Gentlemen i am looking for a production mature virtualization server. Any suggestions?
20:37<abrotman>lots of people use xen and kvm? you probably should be more specific
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20:38<tharkun>I need/want to virtualize windows server 2003 on a Debian host
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20:39<tharkun>abrotman: that is the whole of the problem. i will request hardware depending on the software it shall run so at this point in time there is no restriction on that side
20:39<abrotman>i think they all have similar requirements
20:39<tharkun>Also i am a bit unfamiliar with raid arrays and which one should be the one i choose for this particular server
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20:53<dpkg>rumour has it, vps is Virtual Private Server (, or
20:54<costas>Marsha||[a], I would suggest that you delete that file (or back it up with a different name), but I could be wrong
20:54<costas>before that error what were your actions... backtrace and reinstall the package in question to fix it
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20:55<abrotman>he already had his answer
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21:05<Lantizia>Hey... is it possible to purge a package as well as autoremove (and purge) and package no longer needed due to that ... but exclude a particular package from being removed (and it's deps but not recs) ... on one line?! :D
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21:08<Lantizia>basically I want to purge the recommended packages for a package already installed... without specifying all the recommended packages to purge?
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21:10<tharkun>abrotman: What would be a good replacement for a server with 2 3.6 Ghz Xeon single cores a 2.0 Ghz cuadcore?
21:10<abrotman>tharkun: it really depends on the usage
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21:11<tharkun>abrotman: i know. thanks for the reminder. But i was expecting something like "Buy your new HW you will be ok" pat in the back.
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21:12<abrotman>tharkun: quadcore doesn't mean much .. there were a few different models
21:14<tharkun>abrotman: yes, i've come to learn in the last few minutes that tere are a lot of differences between those. One last question is the Smart Cache shared among all cores? this E5504 Xeon seems to have 4MB but i don't know if it shared or not
21:14<tharkun>abrotman: just in case you wanted to take a closer look ;P
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21:17<abrotman>that i don't know .. ##hardware on freenode may know more
21:17<tharkun>abrotman: thanks for the direction
21:18<abrotman>tharkun: i meant for your questoin about the smart cache
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21:18<tharkun>So i understood. thanks
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21:55<watermel>anybody know of any good apache log analyzers that work well, are simple to configure and if they require a DB they'll work with mysql?
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22:04<abrotman_>watermel: to see what? there are a fair number already packaged
22:06<watermel>ideally, to see any number of relationships between the data... statistics over a given period of time about the data and selected relationships too
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22:07<abrotman>watermel: go through some of the pre-packaged things .. awstats i think is one that used to be popular
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22:13<Lantizia>if i manually generate a password hash when automating the adding of a new user... what type of hash does debian 6 use by default in passwd?
22:13<Lantizia>and can I use some utility like mcrypt to generate it
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22:16<Lantizia>in shadow I mean
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22:42<hyn>anh sao nhiem mau
22:42<hyn>nhin len cao anh chap tay nguyen cau duoc yeu em den khi bac mai dau xanh
22:42<hyn>tinh cua em gio nhu trang khuyet mo
22:43<hyn>ko the theo anh tron doi
22:43<hyn>tinh cua em gio giong nhu nghia cu tinh xua
22:43<hyn>tu khi anh xa roi em anh nho em nho ngan lan
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22:43<hyn>chuyen tinh yeu ko giong nhu chuyen co tich
22:43<hyn>phai lam sao anh duoc vui
22:43<hyn>[phai lam sao anh het buon
22:43<hyn>tinh qua tay that long em ko muon
22:43<hyn>le hoen uoc khoe mi cay
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22:44<abrotman>hyn: english in here
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22:44<abrotman>or not
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23:33<frio>hi, is anyone able to help with an LVM error that has cropped up when moving from lenny to squeeze? Every boot, using squeeze's kernel (2.6.32), my LVMs become inactive and boot fails - but using lenny's old 2.6.26, the LVMs work fine
23:34<frio>hi :)
23:34<sney>frio: is the squeeze udev installed?
23:34<frio>as far as im aware sney (apt-get install udev says everything is up to date)
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23:35<frio>ive also rebuilt the initramfs, and thats fine as far as i can tell
23:35<frio>it just looks like the 2.6.32 initrd is refusing to activate the LVMs; from the busybox it dumps me into I can vgchange -ay mylvmgroup and they spark up fine
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23:36<sney>were there any hangups during the upgrade?
23:36<frio>not afaik; ive re-run dist-upgrade to make sure there's nothing hanging
23:36<frio>I do use Xen, but this occurs on both Xen-based boots and normal boots
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23:37<sney>don't know what to tell you, it should just move smoothly along with the rest of the upgrade. hopefully one of our lvm gurus will show up
23:38<frio>fingers crossed eh :)
23:38<frio>ty for the help
23:38<frio>apt-get dist-upgrade
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23:39<davetoo>I want to experiment with/use FAI. Is apt-proxy still current/used?
23:39<frio>off the top of your head sney (I guess you might not know); should it be udev activating the LVMs? is it possible that whatever udev rules are being put in my initramfs for the 2.6.32 aren't activating it?
23:39<davetoo>I don't really want a full private mirror
23:40<frio>davetoo: I'm using apt-proxy on my servers right now
23:40<davetoo>from ?
23:40<frio>it occasionally wigs out and needs a restart, but it works well enough :)
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23:40<frio>from apt-get install apt-proxy ;)
23:40<davetoo>can't find it
23:41<sney>frio: couldn't tell you, sorry :/
23:41<frio>ok, thanks sney
23:41<sney>apt-proxy is no longer in apt
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23:41<frio>ah right
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23:41<davetoo>why not? :)
23:41<dpkg>apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See for more information. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #576821. For alternatives, ask me about <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching> or see the approx package.
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23:42<frio>mine's probably running on one of the lenny boxes i have left
23:42<Arrowmaster>there is some other one with a weird name too
23:42<sney>at least there's a few alternatives. and who knows, they may be better.
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23:43<Arrowmaster>approx is it
23:44<Arrowmaster>so yeah there are 3 alternatives not counting squid
23:44<davetoo>I'll try cacher-ng. Thanks.
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23:50<novichok>Can sumbody help me with russifikation of enlightment 16 (Sorry for bed English)
23:51<davetoo>thanks folks. bbl.
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23:52<frio>anyone able to help with my issue? could really use some insight; the box is in a remote location and its a pain in the arse heading down there when i fuck it up :p
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23:52<sney>frio: just hang around for a little while, people come and go
23:53<frio>for sure sney
23:56<novichok>Help to Russify please Enlightenment16
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23:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
23:59<novichok>lets try
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