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00:01<twb>Where does CUPS' /etc/cups/*.convs files come from? apt-file mentions none, and I don't have one, but I think I ought to...
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00:10<sney>twb: if apt-file doesn't know then they must be generated by some postinst
00:10<sney>and my guess would be something involved with gs
00:10<twb>I found there's a mime.convs in /usr/share/ though
00:10<twb>So maybe cups uses that and I don't need one in /etc/cups
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00:10<twb>I'm comparing it to my old CUPS server which is running on Fedora Core 3, i.e. not a GOOD example.
00:11<sney>haha indeed
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00:13<tiako>Hello, I was curious is there anyway to make just the drop down menus clear?
00:15<kop>twb: All the mystery in the printing system always seems to be in foomatic. ;-)
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00:22<twb>My test case is "ssh foo lp < test.png"
00:22<twb>On the old system, it's printed.
00:22<twb>On the new system, cups logs indicate it was received, and the "Data" light on the printer flashes, but nothing actually comes out
00:22<twb>The same happens for Letter-sized PostScript documents (the paper cartridge is loaded with A4).
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00:38<kop>twb: Does sound suspiciously like the printer's getting bad postscript (or whatever), but it'd have to be a speical kind of bad or it'd just print textual garbage. Usually there's a "print what's in the buffer and form feed" button-type-operation you can press on the printer. That might possibly give you more of a clue.
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00:39<twb>It's an HP LaserJet 4100, FWIW. Sitting on the network, like all good printers should.
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00:41<sney>iirc, the laserjet 4100 is like most good laserjets in that it speaks postscript natively
00:41<sney>if you have it connected locally you can literally cat > /dev/lp0 and it will print
00:42<kingsley>Which package has the best optical character recognition?
00:42<dpkg>Optical Character Recognition (OCR) is a technology allowing computers to "read" text from physical objects. It requires a graphical representation of text to interpret, usually coming from a scanned image. gocr ( and ocrad ( are packaged for Debian. The fuzzyocr <SpamAssassin> plugin can be used to check image attachments.
00:42<sney>looks like your options are gocr and ocrad
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00:44<prem>hi.,what is the encryption debian uses for lvm encryption installs..?
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00:46<tiako>What is the best way to go about making a hot key for teriminal?
00:48<kingsley>sney: "apt-cache search" also lists ocropus, cuneiform and clara.
00:49<sney>kingsley: our dpkg bot generally knows the 'popular' options, which wouldn't have gotten there if they weren't at least sort of good. so while there are more options, try what the bot said first
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01:07<gsimmons>kingsley: clara is dead upstream and not in stable, cuneiform is non-free and only available for wheezy.
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01:14<twb>sney: I haven't connected it locally, but AIUI I basically just sent postscript to or whatever port it is
01:14<twb>That's how I've configured /etc/cups/printers.conf, anyway
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01:25<amakusa>is there a way to issue a command to a pacage to run a file and spawn a terminal?? like ie. xterm mplayer file.ogg???
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01:26<jm_>correct usage is: xterm -e mplayer foo
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01:37<twb>You might need -noconsolecontrols
01:37<twb>I know I do for "xinit /usr/bin/mplayer"
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01:41<amakusa>jm_: works great :-D thanks
01:41<amakusa>twb: thanks to you also for the tip
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02:18<v0lt>how do i reclaim my nick ?
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02:18<v0lt>its still connected to the channel :\
02:18<v0lt>and i just reconnected
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02:36<vortek>Where can I find debian install guides for the XPS/Inspiron XPS Gen 2? I found em oce but did not bookmark it.
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02:40<retrospectacus>vortek: you don't need a special guide. just stick in the CD. If you have any problem ask here. /msg dpkg ask
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02:49<twb>vortek: debian doesn't have per-device guides. It has per-architecture guides, which cover some device-specific issues.
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02:49<twb>vortek: you were likely looking at a third-party document that we don't support.
02:49<twb>As retrospectacus says, just clicking "next" will usually work.
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02:51<vortek>yeah i used to run debian since before it was mainstream
02:51<vortek>im gona do a netinstall
02:51<twb>Debian isn't crappy enough to be mainstream
02:51<vortek>rue haha
02:51<vortek>er true haha
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02:52<vortek>well before it was populer
02:52<vortek>what a good irc chat program for x?
02:54<twb>Or netcat
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02:54<vortek>bbl installing debian
02:55<twb>That's only 16MB
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02:55<twb>download-on-demand ftw
02:55<vortek>i need intel
02:55<twb>Intel use amd64
02:55<vortek>i got intel 2.36 ghz
02:56<vortek>1.25 gig of ram
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02:56<twb>Good for you
02:56<Arrowmaster>then use i386 or amd64
02:56<Arrowmaster>with that amount of ram you probably want i386
02:56<twb>Emacs only needs 40MB
02:57<cannesahs>if cpu is 64bit capable, go for amd64 version of distribution.
02:57<twb>cannesahs: hear, hear
02:57<vortek>heh how i find that out?
02:58<twb>vortek: was it made in the last five years?
02:58<Arrowmaster>for that much ram i386 really is better
02:58<cannesahs>do you have windows? or do you know exact model of cpu?
02:58<vortek>yeah to both
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02:58<twb>What is the CPU model?
02:59<vortek>one sec
02:59<vortek>Processor x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8 GenuineIntel ~2127 Mhz
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03:01<vortek>that help?
03:01<cannesahs>yes. that help
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03:01<cannesahs>I would say that it doesn't support
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03:01<twb>cannesahs: I'm glad YOU know what that translates to
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03:02<th>pentium M ?
03:02<cannesahs>or celeron M
03:02<Arrowmaster>yeah so get i386, not amd64
03:03<twb>I was expecting a string more like "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 870 @ 2.93GHz"
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03:03<twb>Or, you know, "E7300 @ 1.5GHz"
03:03<th>for that amount of ram, i386 looks better
03:03<twb>You damn firefox users
03:04<twb>1GiB RAM is enough for hundreds of users
03:04<Arrowmaster>th: for that processor i386 is the only option
03:04<Arrowmaster>its a 32bit processor
03:04<vortek>1.5 gigs?
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03:04<twb>Well, maybe 32 or 64 users.
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03:05<twb>GNU userland is pretty bloated
03:05<th>people will always find ways to eat those memory
03:05<twb>th: that's why it's important not to give them any
03:06<vortek>with 1.5 gigs of ram i still need i386?
03:06<vortek>ill be the onlty user
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03:06<Arrowmaster>vortek: i386 is the only thing that will run on that processor
03:08<th>"features", "eye candy"
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03:08<twb>eye candy a.k.a. wank
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03:09<twb>also: get off my lawn
03:09<th>still, i'm glad that debian provides way to install a minimal os
03:10<twb>th: FSVO minimal = 256MB to install, 96MB to boot
03:10<twb>I still need openwrt below that :-(
03:11<twb>Emdebian need to get crush happening
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03:13<th>i see. i'm not familiar with embedded platform, the last controller i played with is intel 8052
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03:14<twb>Not so much controllers as debian on your phone
03:15<cannesahs>256MB to install :O
03:16<cannesahs>I had linux + X on 386 with 40MB hdd
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03:16<th>those days...
03:16<th>swapping floppies
03:17<twb>cannesahs: well, qemu defaults to 128MB, and that got through the amd64 install, but it turned out to have OOMed a couple of times and so some important files were missing when I tried to boot it up again
03:17<twb>Bumping it to 256MB addressed the issue
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03:18<th>ah, i just realized that you are talking about d-i ...
03:18<twb>Debian's disk requirements (~256MB last I checked) are OK unless you have MTD
03:18<th>i'm thinking of using debootstrap
03:18<vortek>hrm i wonder 1.25 gigs of ram could i some how install debian to run in my ram only?
03:18<twb>th: for embedded, try multistrap
03:18<twb>vortek: the linux kernel does that automatically
03:19<twb>vortek: it uses all free RAM to cache disk blocks
03:19<th>nice, i'll look into multistrap
03:20<twb>vortek: or you can use live-boot to boot from a read-only disk (CD or HDD, it doesn't care), which can copy the entire boot medium into RAM as an option
03:20<twb>That's what I do for my custom live USB keys, so I can yank out the USB key once booting if finished
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03:55<vortek>twb: would i gain in performance either way?
03:55<twb>In either way what?
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03:56<vortek>i mean would live boot be faster then normal install
03:57<vortek>wich sys would perform better
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04:00<twb>It would not
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04:02<mehdi_>is it hard to have linux of your own distribution?
04:02<twb>mehdi_: yes.
04:03<mehdi_>well how can u have it?
04:03<jww>juste take debian and rename it mehdibian, and you're done.
04:04<twb>!pure blend
04:04<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. #debian-custom on
04:05<mehdi_>jww no i want to change the design and also have some stuff already installed on it like linux-mint
04:05<mehdi_>that have vlc,openjdk,..
04:05<jww>that what I said .
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04:06<twb>mint is just ubuntu plus some illegally distributed content and a green GNOME theme
04:07<th>universal os
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04:08<jww>mehdi_: have a look a Debian Installer documentation and preseed.
04:08<twb>That too
04:09<meglaw>can i make grub load pcmcia driver to do a net install? i got a laptop with no usb, cd, floppy or nic....
04:09<cannesahs>where you boot grub?
04:09<meglaw>yez, grub2, but the rest is encrypted
04:10<meglaw>so i guess only /boot is not
04:10<meglaw>old install, cant remember encryption pass
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04:11<twb>meglaw: does it have SD card?
04:11<meglaw>no a 2.5¨ drive
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04:11<meglaw>if i had a 2.5¨ to 3.5¨ IDE adapter i´d just rip ot out
04:11<meglaw>and do a preload or something
04:11<meglaw>but i dont. :(
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04:12<cannesahs>have you tested it don't have pcmcia support?
04:12<cannesahs>I have feeling etch netinstall had
04:13<meglaw>what do you mean
04:16<twb>grub doesn't need to load to PXE install
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04:17<twb>YOu just need to load a PXE ROM -- either from the firmware or gpxe
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04:23<meglaw>but first i need to load a driver for the pcmcia nic so i can detect the pxe stuff
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04:27<th>how do i check if my laptop support pxe?
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04:27<marcus>hi all. is it possible to set debconf priority just once during an apt-get call?
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04:29<twb>th: it'll be an option in the BIOS
04:29<marcus>you mean me cannesahs? as -t is for pinning prio not for debconf.
04:29<twb>th: like "boot from network"
04:30<th>ok, i'll check that on reboot
04:30<cannesahs>marcus: ment. hmm..
04:31<themill>marcus: debconf(7) points to a number of environment variables you can use -- look at DEBIAN_PRIORITY
04:31<marcus>ah ok
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04:32<twb>marcus: you mean you want high priority for (say) postfix, but low for its dependencies?
04:32<twb>marcus: or do you want to say "for just one apt-get run, let the priority be high" ?
04:33<marcus>jup, the latter
04:33<twb>Yeah, then you want what themill said
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04:35<marcus>man 7 debconf gives me: No manual entry for debconf in section 7
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04:36<themill>marcus: either use apt-file (/msg dpkg apt-file), or judd to find the file.
04:36<themill>,file man7/debconf.7.gz
04:36<judd>man7/debconf.7.gz in squeeze/i386: debconf-doc: usr/share/man/de/man7/debconf.7.gz, usr/share/man/fr/man7/debconf.7.gz, usr/share/man/man7/debconf.7.gz, usr/share/man/pt/man7/debconf.7.gz, usr/share/man/ru/man7/debconf.7.gz
04:36<marcus>ah, nice
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04:39<vortek>whats a eye candy window manager?
04:39<vortek>one that looks darn good
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04:41<twb>or GNU Screen
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05:27<hbbs>Hi, I have a script I have a starter in Gnome's Panel and chose "terminal" as type. Everything works fine but the Terminal will close immediately after executing the script. How can I change this?
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05:28<jww>hazard2: depends on what you want. what about starting bash at the end ?
05:28<jww>it was for your hbbs .
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05:28<jm_>or sh -c " ; read" or somesuch, many options
05:28<hbbs>jww, I just want the Terminal to stay - I want to read the output :-)
05:29<jww>hbbs: jm_ 's advice is fine so.
05:29<th>is it possible to resize the font size of rxvt on the fly via some hotkey?
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05:31<vortek>what distro i have to run to get enlightenment 17?
05:32<hbbs>jm_ that doesn't work
05:32<jm_>hbbs: WFM
05:32<hbbs>can I just add a line in the script to wait
05:32<jm_>sure, read will wait
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05:33<hbbs>jm_ the terminal still closes directly after execution
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05:33<th>e17 is available in debian sid
05:33<jm_>hbbs: how are you starting it?
05:33<hbbs>via an app starter in the panel
05:33<hbbs>Gnome panel, that is
05:33<jm_>well try using terminal -e '....'
05:34<jm_>th: yes it is
05:34<hbbs>adding read as last line in the script does'nt do the trick
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05:35<vortek>is it the latest version of e17?
05:35<hbbs>jm_ that throws an error (child process could not be started
05:35<th>jm_, ok, i like rxvt. i'll look around how to do that
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05:36<jm_>th: man page mentions it - shift-kp_add/substract
05:36<jm_>hbbs: what exactly did you type?
05:37<hbbs>terminal -e ""
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05:38<jm_>well terminal should be a real command, like rxvt, xterm, gnome-terminal, whatever
05:38<hbbs>I see#
05:38<jm_>so: terminal" -e 'sh -c "; read foo"'
05:38<jm_>this should work
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05:39<jm_>run it from another terminal first to test
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05:41<hbbs>jm_, great.
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05:42<hbbs>jm_, why foo? Is that a variable to write input into?
05:42<jm_>hbbs: yes, I was thinking perhaps your shell needs it; in general it's not needed
05:42<hbbs>it seems to make the difference
05:43<jm_>my last command had an extra " after terminal - that needs removing oto
05:43<hbbs>jm_, just downgraded to your first advice
05:44<hbbs>with foo it works fine
05:44<hbbs>the terminal is invoked by the app starter i thionk
05:44<jm_>ok maybe it's smart enough yes, but the command was wrong for your shell
05:45<hbbs>However, sh -c "; read foo" works
05:45<hbbs>jm_ thank you.
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05:56<hbbs>jm_ is there an easy way to get the ip-Adress Assigned to eth0?
05:56<hbbs>I want the script to work only in a specific network environment
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05:57<stderr>hbbs: ifconfig?
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05:58<hbbs>stderr that requires superuser privileges
05:58<hbbs>at least on my machine :-(
05:58<stderr>Eh? Not on my box...
05:59<hbbs>stderr: plain vanilla squeeze, upgraded from lenny
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06:00<stderr>hbbs: Maybe /sbin just ain't in your $PATH...
06:01<stderr>I just tested on a fresh squeeze install...
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06:03<hbbs>stderr, right. /sbin/ifconfig does it.
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06:08<jm_>!my ip
06:08<dpkg>To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;'
06:08<jm_>hbbs: ^^^^^^^^^
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06:09<stderr>Or tcpdump... :-)
06:12<Arrowmaster>is still up?
06:12<Arrowmaster>it is!
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06:13<vortek>were can i get the windows program that bppts the linux install?
06:14<Arrowmaster>sounds like a ubuntu thing
06:14<vortek>nah they got a debian installer
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06:14<vortek>i just cant remember were to get it
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06:17<hbbs>thanks jm_
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06:17<stderr>vortek: ?
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06:18<jm_>vortek: latest d-i builds include win32-loader AFAIK
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06:41<rah>when I press M-x in emacs, I get the following symbol instead of the command input line: ø
06:41<martijn>Hya wrestling with iptables :S i want to forward all traffic in wlan0:0 ( to my xenVM ( any simple methods for that?
06:41<rah>this is in an xterm
06:42<vtts>martijn, DNAT
06:43<martijn>hmm lets dive into that
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06:44<martijn>vtts: something iptables -A PREROUTING -i wlan0:0 -p tcp -m multiport -j dnat --to-destination gives a nice error
06:45<martijn>unknown option `--to-destination'
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06:45<stderr>Is "DNAT" case-sensitive?
06:45<vtts>first of all wlan0:0 is not an interface, it's just an alias for wlan0, so you cannot match against it
06:46<martijn>hmm in that case i have a nice problem
06:46<vtts>try something like iptables -A PREROUTING -d -j DNAT --to
06:46<jm_>plus, DNAT needs -t nat
06:46<vtts>ah yeah
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06:53<martijn>wont work, might be cause virbr0 is in the way
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07:07<vortek>whats the fastest partition filesystem? ext4.? jfs? xfs? etc
07:08<petemc>depends on usage
07:08<nevyn>wtf is a partition filesystem?
07:08<vortek>single user laptop 32bit use xwin and irc chat
07:09<petemc>just use ext3 or ext4
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07:10<vortek>journeling file system aka jfs aint faster
07:10<jm_>they are all journaling
07:10<vortek>or rieserfs?
07:10<Guest570>rieserfs is reputed to be faster
07:11<Guest570>I dont think it makes a massive difference however
07:11<nevyn>for the love of god don't use reiserfs.
07:11<Guest570>whichever fs you use
07:11<vortek>y not use rieserfs?\
07:11<nevyn>it's a deadend technology
07:11<Guest570>Mr reiser is in prison :)
07:11<rpetre>nevyn: *snicker*
07:12<vortek>ok ext 4 it is
07:12<nevyn>vortek: more importantly he's the only person who really understood it.
07:12<Guest570>what are you doing with the fs?
07:12<rpetre>vortek: i've heard good things about xfs too
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07:12<Guest570>store, network access etc?
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07:12<vortek>snd how can i partition my harddrive freespace in windows?
07:13<jm_>use disk administrator in windows
07:13<nevyn>vortek: and namesys is dead as a company.
07:13<vortek>Guest570: irc and www and xwindows local
07:13<Guest570>ext4/3 will be fine
07:14<vortek>were can i find disk manager?
07:14<Guest570>what version of windows?
07:15<vortek>xp pro
07:15<jm_>my computer -> management or somesuch
07:15<Guest570>right click my computer, manage
07:15<Guest570>and its in there
07:16<Guest570>but you cant resize windows partion/drive, you will have to boot into dos and use a tool
07:16<vortek>lol i dont see it
07:16<Guest570>I might be wrtong
07:16<Guest570>gimme a sec
07:16<vortek>no my computer that is
07:16<Guest570>start menu, computer
07:17<Guest570>right click it in the start menu
07:17<Guest570>or is that vista? lol.
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07:18<nevyn>right click mycomputer -> manage
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07:21<vortek>nope just shows partitions\
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07:21<vortek>and right click dont have option for faormat
07:22<Guest570>right click them and see
07:22<Guest570>then you might have to use a third party tool in XP
07:22<Guest570>are you trying to format as EXT3 in windows?
07:23<nevyn>so linux can resize ntfs.
07:24<nevyn>well parted can.
07:24<vortek>can it do ext4
07:25<vortek>yeah winxp
07:25<Guest570>would booting into knoppix and then doing disk based stuff be easier?
07:26<Guest570>I dunno how you can do it in XP..apart from removing the partition table and starting again.
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07:33<nevyn>Guest570: yes
07:33<vortek>ill use partition magic ")
07:34<Guest570>is that still about?
07:34<nevyn>booting into knoppix/otherlivecd and running qtparted can do this.
07:34<nevyn>partition magic is expensive.
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07:42<vortek>i got free version works fine :)
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07:43<vortek>how much should i make my swap partion? i got 1.25 gigs of ram and 7.6 gis off free space
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07:44<nevyn>so.. couple of gig?
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07:45<Guest570>amount of ram *2
07:45<Guest570>is a rule I use
07:45<Maulkin>And don't go over 2 gigs.
07:45<vortek>not shure what rule of thumb is i think its 2x ram
07:45<nevyn>2xram is a dumb rule on linux
07:46<Maulkin>Cause otherwise everything will end up swapped out.
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07:47<nevyn>because the rule is based on theory that's not true under linux (about performance and swap behavior of the kernel) in particular it's based on a traditional VM paging model that holds true for most OS's that arn't linux
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07:49<nevyn>but then linus decided to chuck it out in 2.4.10
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08:00<vortek>hrm is it ok to run the 2.6 kernel with 1.25 gigs of ram?
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08:00<vortek>oh and tanxs
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08:03<Guest570>yes, 2.6 will run with that
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08:25<abdeb>j'ai le repertoir racine / plein, est ce qu'on peux me dire comment le netoyer sans affecter le système
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08:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
08:31<babilen>abdeb: Or speak English in here :)
08:32<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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08:58<bjacob>Hi, trying to get Nouveau 3D driver. Any link? only got me 2D
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09:03<babilen>bjacob: AFAIK nouveau does not provide 3D acceleration. You need the nvidia driver for that.
09:03<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please join #nvidia (
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09:04<babilen>bjacob: I recommend "nvidia dkms" or one of the legacy ones if your card is supported by them.
09:04<bjacob>babilen: there is experimental 3d support in nouveau, that's what i'm trying to get
09:04<bjacob>i used to use nvidia but since today i only get a black screen with it
09:04<babilen>bjacob: Ah, must be quite a recent thing then. Do you know which version you need?
09:04<bjacob>nope :)
09:04<babilen>bjacob: I guess you are not using squeeze then, do you?
09:04<vortek>any1 know of a free winxp partition resizer?
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09:05<babilen>vortek: Try ##windows on
09:05<bjacob>i know that debian (sid) has recent xorg stuff such as mesa 7.10 so i thought i'd give it a try
09:05<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
09:05<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; wheezy: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; sid: 1:0.0.16+git20101210+8bb8231-2; experimental: 1:0.0.16+git20101210+8bb8231-2+exp2
09:06<babilen>bjacob: Looks as if you already have the highest version that is packaged already.
09:07<bjacob>yeah, but that only gives 2D
09:07<babilen>vortek: parted should be able to resize *fat and maybe ntfs ones if you are using a linux host.
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09:08<babilen>bjacob: Well, I can't help it! You could try to update the package yourself -- /msg dpkg uupdate -- or compile the git tip from upstream. I would use the nvidia driver for now though
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09:09<babilen>bjacob: I don't know the packaging but you might have to package against the newest version in their git repository.
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09:09<bjacob>yeah, as i said, was using nvidia until today when it blew up.
09:09<babilen>bjacob: That is if they haven't released a stable version that incorporates this feature
09:09<bjacob>i'm wondering if I just need to set some option in xorg.conf.d
09:09<vortek>parted for winxp?
09:10<lee-0>bjacob: What happend to nvidia?
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09:10<babilen>vortek: There are live CDs -- -- but if you want support for microsoft windows go to ##windows on How is your question related to Debian?
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09:11<babilen>bjacob: Wouldn't it be an idea to figure out why your installation is not working anymore? How did you install the drivers?
09:11<bjacob>lee-0: when X starts, I get a black screen (backlight on) and no input works, so have to hard-reboot
09:12<babilen>bjacob: /var/log/Xorg.0.log → -- How did you install the nvidia driver?
09:12<bjacob>babilen: i followed the instructions at with module-assistant, and I retried a few times, no luck.
09:12<lee-0>bjacob: You could try the drivers from nividias website.
09:12<bjacob>Xorg.0.log didn't show any error
09:12<bjacob>lee-0: good idea
09:12<babilen>lee-0: They are not supported in here and are of bad quality. Please don't recommend them.
09:13<June>Hello everybody. I have a debian machine which has testing in sources.list, squeeze/sid in /etc/debian_version and has not been updated for a while. I suppose that since squeeze became stable, I can just rewrite sources.list to stable or squeeze and do a dist-upgrade? Will it go ok?
09:13<babilen>bjacob: Please paste it
09:13<lee-0>babilen: They work fine for me since many years.
09:13<bjacob>babilen: it's gone (debian only keeps the 2 last ones)
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09:14<themill>June: changing it to squeeze is likely to be a good approach to ending up with squeeze, yes.
09:14<babilen>June: You might already have a mixed squeeze/wheezy system. Change your sources.list to be in line with those you normally have on a squeeze system and run "aptitude update ; aptitude search ~o"
09:14<babilen>!tell June -about squeeze sources.list
09:14<babilen>!tell June -about squeeze squeeze-updates
09:15<babilen>June: Make sure you don't use "stable", "testing" in your sources.list but the actual names ("squeeze", "wheezy" ....)
09:16<June>babilen: thank you. Is there an apt-get alternative to 'aptitude search ~o' ? Our policy here is to use apt-get only.
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09:24<sret>what's a way to check what my email header is supposed to?
09:25<sret>all i see is user@host now
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09:25<sret>$hostname just shows the host
09:25<sret>any ideas?
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09:25<sret>using sendmail/mailx
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09:26<phil>Hi. Where can I find CD images of Debian potato 2.2 for i386?
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09:26<cthuluh>sret: hostname -f. but your sendmail may rewrite this, as well as your mail client (ok, not mailx)
09:26<cthuluh>phil: perhaps
09:26<sret>cthuluh: that just shows the host too
09:27<sret>the and .mc file show thee's masquerading goingon
09:27<sret>which im fine with but how do i know what my emailaddress is?
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09:28<cthuluh>sret: hostname -f. shows the fqdn, which is your default base for your email address. everything else is sendmail dependant
09:28<phil>cthuluh: I found packages and boot floppies. Not disk images, though.
09:28<sret>hostname -f doesn't show anything but the host, i.e user@host
09:29<sret>there's no or anything there, just play "host"
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09:30<sret>right now all i get out of hostname -f is "ebxr"
09:30<babilen>June: There is not. Why do you have that policy?
09:31<cthuluh>sret: so you have no domain defined in /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, etc ?
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09:31<sret>in resolv.conf thee's a domain, and a nameserver
09:32<gsimmons>phil: . Out of interest, why?
09:33<sret>in /hosts ive got " 201.8.8.X ebxr "
09:33<sret>and localhost.localdomain localhost
09:33<sret>and ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6
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09:34<Malte>Hey! How i set up the time displaying in xchat? :)
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09:35<Malte>there is only the name of the user, but i wanna have there a time (and the name).
09:36<babilen>bjacob: You could retry it and paste it again.
09:36<sret>cthuluh: so how do i verify whats my email though ?
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09:37<guyzmo>is there anyone around that has installed debian on a lemote ? I'm running into troubles whether I try to install a debian or a gnewsense
09:37<cthuluh>sret: your /etc/hosts should contain the fqdn of your host, if any
09:37<cthuluh>sret: say ebxr
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09:38<sret>all it shows is ebxr
09:38<sret>nothing else
09:38<cthuluh>guyzmo: I have a friend that successfully installed it, without much hassle, iirc. sadly I can't ask him right now
09:39<sret>but like i said by skimming through and mc it looks like things are masqueraded
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09:39<cthuluh>fine. then this is sendmail specific and you should ask on #sendmail
09:39<babilen>guyzmo: What kind of problems? Which image/architecture have you tried?
09:39<guyzmo>cthuluh - because with gnewsense it fails with the genewsense mirror, and with debian I can't get the netboot initrd.gz to be loaded :/
09:40<guyzmo>babilen - using mipsle
09:40<sret>i already did, but the guy was like this is a MUA issue
09:40<sret>and left it at that
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09:40<babilen>guyzmo: Can you boot from USB?
09:40<guyzmo>on one side I'm using : ; on the other I'm using :
09:40<guyzmo>babilen - indeed
09:42<sret>cthuluh: is there no other way to know what my email id is?
09:42<sret>obviouosly sendind an email doesn't show anything
09:42<babilen>guyzmo: You could try: "cat debian_mipsel_netinst_image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" and then boot from the usb stick. The stick is /dev/sdX (e.g. /dev/sdb) and you *don't* cat to a partition (/dev/sdb1) but to the device itself (/dev/sdb)
09:42<babilen>guyzmo: It might boot from there.
09:42<babilen>!usb install
09:42<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
09:43<babilen>guyzmo: Just replace i386 with mipsel in the link above, but the instructions probably don't change.
09:43<guyzmo>hm interesting
09:44<guyzmo>anyway, the lemote does not need anything specific to boot from usb except a ext2 partition
09:44<guyzmo>(you manually load vmlinuz and initrd.gz)
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09:45<guyzmo>that's the initrd that fails to load ->
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09:51<babilen>guyzmo: You try to boot that with PXE or from an USB stick?
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09:52<babilen>Because that are netboot ones
09:53<dpkg>hmm... netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>.
09:53<guyzmo>babilen - with an USB stick (but the lemote is using PMON that has a command line where you can load the kernel and the initrd manually)
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09:54<gribozavr>has anyone noticed that changelogs for new packages in unstable are absent? for example:
09:55<guyzmo>damn I mistyped the command all the last times /o\
09:55<guyzmo>damn netbook keyboard
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09:55<babilen>guyzmo: yeah, i've just read that. I must admit that I haven't played with loongson based hardware -- There is a small #debian-mips channel that might be worth a visit.
09:55<guyzmo>ah, I've seen references to #debian-lemote, but that chan is empty
09:55<guyzmo>I'm gonna look there
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09:55<babilen>guyzmo: So it was a typo after all? I've just read some instruction and those are indeed the correct files. What is the error you get?
09:56<pw>good night
09:56*babilen falls asleep
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09:58<pw>we doing here ? private chat ?
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09:59<babilen>guyzmo: did you use the kernel linked on the wiki page or the malta one in the same directory as the initrd?
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10:00<pw>no ? ! what ?
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10:01<pw>babilen , you talk me ?
10:01<guyzmo>babilen - indeed, that's those I'm trying to use
10:01<babilen>guyzmo: That "or" was indeed an "exclusive or" :)
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10:02<guyzmo>babilen - I answered inclusively because I'm trying both
10:02<babilen>pw: No, I am not. This channel is meant to provide technical support for Debian users. Do you have a Debian related question you need help with? If you are looking for a chat channel try #moocows or one of the million other channels on IRC --
10:03<guyzmo>and well let's retry from the beginning
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10:03<babilen>guyzmo: wonderful, and none of them "works" -- What kind of error do you get? After which step? (initrd, vmlinuz, starting the installer, ...)
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10:05<babilen>guyzmo: The debian-mips mailing list might also be a good place to ask. ( That is because experience with this architecture is not that prevalent here :-\
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10:06<babilen>yangzhiwei: Ni yao jinru #debian-zh -- HuanYin GuangLin!
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10:09<guyzmo>it fails when I do 'g console=tty no_auto_cmd' at PMON
10:09<babilen>yangzhiwei: Kan de dong ma? Wo xianzai bu hui da zhongwen zi -- na shi yinwei wo da hanyu pinyin
10:09<babilen>guyzmo: fails how? laptop on fire?
10:10<guyzmo>nope, it outputs something like memory pages
10:10<guyzmo>and back to the prompt
10:10<guyzmo>and if I try to reach again the usb key, it timeouts
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10:11<sylock>hello here
10:11<sylock>I have a problem with pwauth on Squeeze
10:11<sylock>run it with root is ok
10:11<babilen>sylock: "it" being?
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10:12<pw>me too
10:12<sylock>but sudo -u www-data pwauth (and give it a user and pass) always give me an error code of 1
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10:12<themill>pw: are you sure you didn't want #moocows?
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10:13<pw>moocows ? what /
10:13<babilen>guyzmo: Hmm, I would write to the mailing list or wait for replies in #debian-mips -- I have no idea what might cause this and my intuition has not yet been ported to mips architectures
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10:14<June>babilen: there have been a few issues here when mixing aptitude and apt-get. But it seems the upgrade went away pretty nicely, thank you very much.
10:14<babilen>yangzhiwei: Zhe bu shi zhongwen de laotian tang, ni yao jinru #debian-zh -- qing da "/join #debian-zh"
10:14<guyzmo>babilen - anyway, thanks for your care :)
10:14<babilen>June: These issues are a thing of the past, you should update your policy accordingly.
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10:15<sylock>but I have maybe a hint : local users are ok, but not ldap ones (with libnss-ldap)
10:15<babilen>June: It would still be interesting to see the output of "aptitude search ~o" (don't worry, that will not change the state of your system)
10:15<yangzhiwei>niu bi
10:15<June>babilen: thanks, I will put that up at the next meeting ;-)
10:15<babilen>guyzmo: good luck
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10:18<yangzhiwei>how to sent info to someone?
10:18<June>pastebin broke the formatting though, sorry
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10:19<babilen>yangzhiwei: What kind of info?
10:19<sylock>babilen, I didn't understand what you said with "it" ?
10:19<yangzhiwei>just message
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10:21<babilen>June: Could you use -- The formatting is horrible. Those are the packages that are considered "obsolete" because they are not in *any* configured repository. They are likely the packages that have been obsoleted by the upgrade to squeeze, such as linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 , but might also comprise manually installed packages from third parties.
10:21<babilen>June: If you want to remove them you could run "aptitude purge ~o" but check first if they are indeed not needed anymore. I am not aware of a similar search pattern for apt-get.
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10:23<babilen>sylock: I was asking you what the anaphoric expression "it" referred to.
10:23<babilen>yangzhiwei: A chat message? Like ICQ, Jabber, MSN, ... ?
10:23<xbytemx>What happen with
10:24<yangzhiwei>babilen: test
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10:24<babilen>yangzhiwei: test succeeded (?)
10:24<sylock>babilen, "it" was used to say "pwauth"
10:24<babilen>sylock: yes, that became apparent later on
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10:28<pw>test what ?
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10:30<cthuluh>yangzhiwei: moo
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10:31<babilen>yangzhiwei: Do you have a Debian related problem? (Ni you mei you guanyu debian de wenti?)
10:32<pw>hello word!\n
10:32<cthuluh>pw: may I ask you what you're doing here?
10:32<babilen>pw: Stop it please and go playing in #moocows or somewhere else --
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10:33<yangzhiwei>有的,ibus 在emacs(gtk版)中没有用!why?
10:33<yangzhiwei>debian squeeze
10:34<pw>bian squeeze
10:34<pw>bian squeeze++
10:34<devil>kindergarden has holidays?
10:35<babilen>yangzhiwei: Wo yijing gaosu ni: qing jiang yingwen haishi jinru #debian-zh (da "/join #debian-zh")
10:35<pw>make ++
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10:35<babilen>pw: Stop it please and go playing in #moocows or somewhere else --
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10:36<pw>ok sorray !
10:36<babilen>yangzhiwei: Ok, I am sorry that the Chinese channel is not active, but this is still an English speaking one.
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10:37<June>babilen: there are some secondary packages and a few of them are held back (not shown). Anyway, thanks a lot, I think I will keep them there.
10:37<babilen>yangzhiwei: I guess you need to configure ibus as X input method (XIM) as well. Try using "im-setup" for it.
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10:39<babilen>June: Well, just wanted to check how many packages that don't belong in squeeze are installed. You might also want to install apt-show-versions and run 'apt-show-versions | grep -u "/wheezy"' (and the same for lenny, squeeze, sid, ...)
10:39<babilen>June: Have fun!
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10:41<babilen>yangzhiwei: You might also want to take a look at "ibus-el" which is available in wheezy and sid. You can backport it by following: /msg dpkg ssb
10:41<babilen>,info ibus-el --release sid
10:41<judd>Package ibus-el (lisp, optional) in sid/i386: IBus client for GNU Emacs. Version: 0.2.0-1; Size: 37.3k; Installed: 240k; Homepage:
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10:42<babilen>yangzhiwei: -- further support in #emacs and/or #debian-zh ;)
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10:43<babilen>!tell yangzhiwei -about ssb
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10:43<babilen>yangzhiwei: Good luck! (JiaYou!)
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10:46<babilen>yangzhiwei: another way would be to install ibus.el with the help of the emacs package manager. Which version of emacs do you use?
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10:48<babilen>yangzhiwei: If you have emacs24 do "M-x package-list-packages" and look for ibus.el -- If you have an earlier version install package.el from ELPA as detailed on
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10:48<yangzhiwei>ibus is work well in the terminal,so i will use the emacs-nox
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10:49<babilen>yangzhiwei: That is an option too. I would still recommend to configure usage of ibus with im-setup and try the ibus.el package. Might be worth it.
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10:50<babilen>yangzhiwei: Do you have ibus-gtk installed too?
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10:51<yangzhiwei>it's work well for OOO
10:51<babilen>Ok, have you tried "im-setup" ? Does it work in other GTK applications?
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10:51<babilen>I don't use emacs and can not really help you with it. But I try :)
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11:00<sret>ok fixed it
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11:03<scisteffan>Hi - what is a GIT repository and how would I go about obtaining the driver from git://
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11:03<scisteffan>*sorry, I meant git tree
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11:13<babilen>scisteffan: "aptitude install git ; git clone git://"
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11:13<babilen>scisteffan: (are you familiar with other VCS systems like, for example, SVN?)
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11:14<rpetre>g.k.o's gitweb doesn't show a gregkh/staging-next-2.6 repo, but there's a gregkh/staging-2.6 one with a 'staging-next' branch
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11:18<scisteffan>babilen: not really familiar with other VCS systems, any good tutorials around?
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11:19<babilen>scisteffan: + -- but ask in #git on too
11:20<rpetre>scisteffan: if you only need the source and you're not really interested in history or committing back, git clone $url should do just fine, or start at
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11:48<tdrusk>When I go to system-config-printer I don't have an option to add printers on Windows print servers. Anyone know how I can enable this?
11:49<sney>tdrusk: can you navigate windows shares?
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11:49<tdrusk>sney: yes
11:50<sney>can you navigate straight to the printer you want? you might be able to add it through nautilus
11:51<tdrusk>sney: I'm sorry. I'm not on the network at this time. I want to say that I can though. I will try that tomorrow.
11:51<tdrusk>It just seems odd that it isn't offered in system-config-printer.
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11:52<sney>yeah, there probably is a way to turn it on there, but I haven't used gnome in like a billion years it feels like
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11:52<tdrusk>sney: gotcha :)
11:52<sney>I should probably put a standard debian desktop install in a vm and relearn all this stuf
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11:54<tdrusk>sney: That would be nice of you. Either way, your help is appreciated.
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11:56<abcd82>tdrusk: you can type ip in find network printer, it works for me
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12:02<jhutchins_lt>It would probably be better to go right to the cups web interface and add it there.
12:03<tdrusk>Thanks guys. I'll be back later. Take care.
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13:20<kundan>How do I replace gnome-run by gnome-do
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13:52<bluenemo_>do you guys know of an irc for debian live?
13:52<Black_Prince>#debian-live channel on this network
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13:52<bluenemo_>lol thanks man :)
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14:10<YuriBraz1>Hello people!! What are the most popular mail server used in Debian servers?
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14:11<rpetre>YuriBraz1: the most popular is probably exim, since it's the default. a lot of people prefer postfix (or others). you should use the one you understand best ;)
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14:12<YuriBraz1>rpetre: Ok, thank you. And you can say to me if is possible lanch a mail server without a domain name, just only the ip address?
14:13<rpetre>yes, it's possible
14:13<YuriBraz1>rpetre: I will try :) thank you.
14:13<rpetre>you would only be able to accept direct mail for user@[] (or through other gateways)
14:13<mjt>provided you're on static IP :)
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14:14<rpetre>for sending mail it's not (directly) needed
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14:14<YuriBraz1>It's just to learn mail server in Linux in my home.
14:14<rpetre>mjt: well,technically, while it has that ip... :)
14:15<rpetre>YuriBraz1: what you want to do, more exactly?
14:15<YuriBraz1>rpetre: Install and configure a mail server.
14:15<rpetre>for doing what?
14:16<rpetre>(i'm not trolling, a mail server can be configured for different purposes)
14:16<YuriBraz1>rpetre: Learn how to install and configure :D Maybe to install in my job.
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14:17<rpetre>well, in that case, try both exim and postfix and see what you can learn. you'll miss a lot of the bits of receiving internet mail without having a dns name,but at least you'll still learn something
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14:32<ballison>i'm building a local debian package (nothing to compile) and I just need to rebuild it, and I can't remember the switches to dpkg-buildpackage to make it work
14:32<Black_Prince>Just rebuilding?
14:33<Black_Prince>dpkg -b folder packagename.deb
14:33<dpkg>Black_Prince: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
14:33<ballison>Black_Prince: let me try that
14:33<Black_Prince>Be sure to have DEBIAN folder there
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14:34<tzafrir>I'm playing with something that may panic my system
14:35<tzafrir>before doing so I wanted to make sure the kernel messages are printed on the console
14:35<Black_Prince>If you must do that ... Add 'verbose' to kernel command line
14:35<tzafrir>however when I press alt-sysrq-h or alt-sysrq-p I get nothing on the console
14:35<tzafrir>(I do see a message on the kernel logs)
14:36<ballison>Prince: Looks like that worked. thanks
14:36<tzafrir>I set /proc/sys/kernel/printk to '8 8 8 8'
14:37<tzafrir>Still nothing printed
14:37<tzafrir>Anything else I'm missing
14:37<Black_Prince>Read my earlier post :|
14:37<Black_Prince>You welcome ballison
14:37<tzafrir>Black_Prince, is that something new?
14:37<tzafrir>I have to reboot?
14:38<Black_Prince>I think ...
14:39<ballison>if i drop a file into /etc/cron.d/ will it automatically be picked up by cron and used or do i need to restart something?
14:39<babilen>ballison: Did you have a look at checkinstall?
14:39<ballison>the file i'm dropping into /etc/cron.d/ is a single line as it would appear in crontab
14:40<ballison>babilen: checkinstall?
14:40<dpkg>CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. See also <stow>.
14:41<ballison>babilen: I don't see what that has to do with my package i hand build that has no binary code in it.
14:41<ballison>babilen: my package installs a perl script, and add a cron to run it every 5 minutes
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14:41<babilen>ballison: Ah, ok. I wasn't sure and wanted to mention it. If you "package" would have been a collection of binaries+files+Makefile it would be easier to just use checkinstall.
14:42<ballison>babilen: good to know , but not applicable here.
14:42<ballison>babilen: i'm adding a single file to /etc/cron.d to run my script and wanted to know if i have to do anything to get cron to recognize the new file added to /etc/cron.d ?
14:42<tzafrir>Black_Prince, all 'quiet' does is setting console_loglevel to 4
14:43<babilen>ballison: What about dh-make-perl ?
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14:43<tzafrir>At least that's what I see in init/main.c
14:43<ballison>babilen: You've lost me. I've built the package using the command Black_prince gave me above. The "dpkg -b folder package.deb" worked.
14:43<babilen>ballison: No
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14:44<sparky4>ohh dear i got a 486DX @ 33 mhz with 20096 kb of memory
14:44<Black_Prince>I did not say 'quiet', I said 'verbose'
14:44<sparky4>and i cannot get iut to boot squeeze
14:44<ballison>babilen: no as in no i don't have to do anything to make cron see it and start using it? or no as in no cron will not just start using it?
14:44<babilen>ballison: Ah, so it is already debianised. "dh-make-perl" eases the initial debianisation of perl modules (think CPAN)
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14:45<babilen>ballison: You don't have to do anyhting -- You might want to read "man cron" (second paragraph in NOTES)
14:45<ballison>babilen: not a perl module. just a simple perl script to check to see if a application is running and if not do some stuff and then restart it. very application (specific to this box) centric.
14:45<ompaul>tzafrir: what is in here: /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
14:46<ballison>babilen: k - i put some debug code in so hopefully i should see it running in the logs soon (else I did something wrong)
14:46<tzafrir>ompaul, 446
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14:47<ompaul>tzafrir: interesting it should contain 0 or 1
14:47<tzafrir>Black_Prince, so no oops messages on console by default?
14:48<tzafrir>ompaul, if higher than 1, it only enables some bits
14:48<ompaul>tzafrir: as long as you are happy
14:48<tzafrir>(I tried 1 there as well. Just for fun)
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15:00<ballison>babilen and Black_Prince: Thank you. My package is built, deployed and tested and it works! thanks
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15:07<babilen>ballison: yay
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15:09<brohelm>is there a way to make it so the screen is flipped, like it'd work the same if I physically flipped my screen 90 degrees?
15:10<Black_Prince>Compiz, maybe?
15:11<kop>brohelm: Yes. But I don't know how. Note that physically flipping your screen will not work as expected with LCD screens because the side-to-side viewing angle becomes and vertical viewing angle, and vice versa.
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15:13<brohelm>i see
15:13<babilen>brohelm: xrandr can do that -- See the "--rotate" option
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15:14<brohelm>thank you both for your responses
15:14<brohelm>will look into xrandr
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15:14<babilen>brohelm: Tools like "arandr" probably make it easier to configure this. Depending on your desktop environment more specific tools might provide that functionality as well
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15:17<gribozavr>has anyone noticed that changelogs for new packages in unstable are absent? for example:
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15:18<ballison>Black_Prince: For my newly created (local) debian package after I've installed it and I do a --listfiles on it, should i see "/." as the first line in the files that it installs?
15:19<Black_Prince>Every package has that
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15:33<ottoshmidt>can I downgrade a package without uninstalling it so that dependent packages are kept in their places?
15:34<ottoshmidt>can tell me how to do that?
15:34<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
15:34<towo`>apt-get install the_package=version
15:34<jhutchins_lt>!partial downgrade
15:34<dpkg>This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available>
15:35<retrospectacus>ottoshmidt: you may or may not be able to solve whatever your problem is with this stuff.... you should tell us more
15:36<ottoshmidt>retrospectacus, sound better
15:36<ottoshmidt>well, ok
15:36<ottoshmidt>it appears that I have this package from experimental zlib1g (1:1.2.5.dfsg-1)
15:37<ottoshmidt>and I have a strong suspicion that it causes another app not to function normally for me, as I have the same package working good on other debian installation
15:38<ottoshmidt>and the only (almost sure) dependency package difference is that package
15:38<ottoshmidt>the problem is that a Whole bunch of packages depend on this zlib1g
15:38<ottoshmidt>even bash etc so that synaptic warned me system might turn unusable if I uninstall it
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15:41<retrospectacus>ottoshmidt: welll.... apt-get install zlib1g=
15:41<ottoshmidt>what would be you recommendations?
15:41<retrospectacus>try it ^
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15:43<ottoshmidt>8 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 downgraded, 13 to remove and 354 not upgraded.
15:43<ottoshmidt>Need to get 4,385 kB of archives.
15:43<ottoshmidt>After this operation, 30.7 MB disk space will be freed
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15:44<retrospectacus>ottoshmidt: yeah probably not what you want (13 to remove)
15:45<ottoshmidt>did anyway
15:45<ottoshmidt>hmm lets see
15:46<retrospectacus>you may try installing wheezy (?) versions of those 13 removed packages
15:46<ottoshmidt>yes doing that
15:46<retrospectacus>if you want them back
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15:46<ottoshmidt>thanks all
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16:08<sparky4>i need I80486DX help!
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16:09<sparky4>@ 33MHZ
16:09<sparky4>the problem is
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16:10<sparky4>"error: cannot allocate real mode pages"
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16:10<sparky4>sney: can you help me?
16:10<sney>while doing what? what debian version? more details
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16:11<sparky4>Debian squeeze 6.0.1 on a 486
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16:12<sney>I didn't know there were still 486 kernels available.
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16:12<sparky4>486 kernals
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16:12<sparky4>i was trying to boot the system
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16:13<sparky4>sney: i am just trying to boot the system
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16:13<Black_Prince>,version linux-image-2.6-486
16:14<Black_Prince>,versions linux-image-2.6-486
16:14<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-486 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; wheezy: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.38+33
16:14<candelaresi>i have some problems with my dvd
16:14<sparky4>i cannot boot my 486DX
16:14<sney>sparky4: so when does that error happen? what else does it say?
16:14<candelaresi>i would like to know, how is the fstab line of the dvd...
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16:14<Black_Prince>I don't think squeeze will run on that hardware :S
16:14<sparky4>sney: it happens when grub trys to boot the linux kernel
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16:15<sney>sparky4: how much ram does that system have?
16:15<sparky4>20096 kb
16:15<sparky4>says the BIOS
16:15<sparky4>originally 8 mb
16:16<sparky4>upgraded to 20 mb
16:16<sney>I don't think that's enough
16:16<sney>let me check something
16:16<babilen>!dbugs #588293
16:17<dpkg>DONE:#588293:N[grub-pc] grub-pc: fails to allocate memory so nothing can be booted (on an old compaq laptop) (d-i); Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:15:02 UTC []
16:17<sparky4>install grub legacy?
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16:17<sney>yeah, if you can get into the system via chroot
16:18<sney>can't hurt to try, though it'll probably take all day
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16:18<babilen>Black_Prince: You have a couple of options: 1. debootstrap on another system 2. Install lenny and upgrade 3. Use one of the weeklies to install squeeze or 4. Suicide
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16:18<babilen>ENICK .... sparky4 ^^^^^
16:19<Black_Prince>I'd choose 4
16:19<Raphi974>Hi everyone
16:19<Black_Prince>He could try to install sarge or etch ... Through
16:19<babilen>sparky4: But 20mb is quite possibly not enough RAM to run squeeze -- IIRC anothing <= 64MB is bound to fail
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16:20<babilen>sparky4: Which gives you the option to install an even older version of Debian or just go directly for something like damn small linux
16:20<sparky4>i have alot of swap w
16:20<sparky4>this system dose not have a CD-* drive
16:20<babilen>still -- Its worth a try, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does not work
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16:21<babilen>candelaresi: /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
16:21<sparky4>sney: vhroot?
16:21<sparky4>sney: chroot?**
16:21<babilen>candelaresi: Assuming that /dev/scd0 is your CD/DVD/BD/HoloDisc drive
16:22<Raphi974>_Q_ : How to know if a computer, running windows, is up ? (No ping response and no configuration possible on windows)
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16:23<sney>if there's no ping response it's probably not up
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16:24<sparky4>let me try to install grub legacey
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16:25<babilen>sparky4: You've seen the bug I referenced earlier, didn't you?
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16:28<Raphi974>sney, no, it's just that my windows machine doesn't respond to ping, but can be up
16:29<Raphi974>sney, I want to know if it's up or not
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16:29<Raphi974>sney, to add it in Nagios
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16:43<jhutchins_lt>Perhaps the real question is "does it make any difference whether a computer running windows is up?".
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16:47<Nubarus>alguém ai pode me ajudar acabei de começar a usar o debian
16:47<Nubarus>preciso de uma ajuda
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16:47<Nubarus>o meu mouse fica trocando as janelas sozinho
16:47<Nubarus>queria saber porque e como tirar
16:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:47<babilen>Nubarus: Or speak English in here :)
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16:48<Nubarus>sorry man
16:48<Nubarus>i did not know
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16:49<babilen>It's OK, really :)
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16:50<Nubarus>my mouse is replacing the windows alone was wondering why and how to take?
16:51<babilen>what? Are you sure that you don't want to ask in #debian-pt or #debian-br ?
16:51<rpetre>do you have a stuck key on the keyboard? like alt or ctrl
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16:51<rpetre>(if by replacing you mean dragging)
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>Which release, what desktop?
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17:15<unixabg>Greetings, I moved a ruby program from an old amd server about 5years old to a new dual quad core and it shows the instances of my ruby app using 100% on multiple cores. ruby version 1.8.7 2010-08-16 patchlevel 302 [i486-linux]
17:16<unixabg>I am running on amd64 kernel.
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17:20<sney>unixabg: anything in the bug tracker? sounds like a #ruby issue if not
17:20<sney>or I guess it would be #ruby-lang on freenode
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17:32<jtb2> (2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f) is down?
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17:32<rpetre>looks down from me as well
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17:33<sney>it's up from here
17:33<ompaul>Last Modified: Wed, Mar 30 15:31:33 UTC 2011
17:33<ompaul>up here
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17:34<sney>I just pulled 7 packages from squeeze/updates/main in fact
17:34<jtb2> (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb) is working for me :(
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17:35<ompaul>try it on ipv4
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17:35<jtb2> is working..
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17:36<rpetre>jtb2: i had issues with s.d.o over ipv6 in the last days too
17:36<jtb2>can I post traceroute to both ipv6 hosts (8 Hops)?
17:37<sney>you can put it in
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17:38<jtb2>ok - here:
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17:41<jtb2>sney: how's your traceroute if ipv6 is working for you?
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17:41<sney>I'm ipv4 only here
17:42<jtb2>ompaul: how about you? ;)
17:42<rpetre>jtb2: mine look the same for both hosts
17:42<babilen>jtb2: I get the same results too
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17:44<ompaul>jtb2: let me try to get there over 6
17:44<ompaul>jtb2: watching some comedy
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17:46<ompaul>jtb2: na all I got is the lookup
17:47<ompaul>my 6 route is slightly dead again
17:47<ompaul>memo to self fix it some time
17:47<ompaul>jtb2: I have a lot of work on at the moment and 6 is not an issue yet on this little island
17:48<babilen>jtb2: Try 2001:4f8:8:36::6
17:49<jtb2>babilen: 2001:4f8:8:36::6 works (~160 ms)
17:49<babilen>jtb2: That is
17:50<jtb2>yep - ipv6 is generally working but one address for not (2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f)
17:51<jtb2>could it be that is using geo DNS?
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19:20<lennart>Debian > Ubuntu
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19:21<retrospectacus>lennart: you're preaching to the choir
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19:21<lennart>i know i know :)
19:23<lennart>What's the best IRC Client to use in Debian?
19:23<causa-prima>hi there! i got a problem with my raid5, i tried to resize it / grow it, what worked just fine, until i used fsck. it gave me lots of errors and i just let e2fsck do it's work, what destroyed the journal and at least the primary superblock. my problem now is: tune2fs won't be able to apply a new journal because of the defect superblock and e2fsck won't start working without the journal. any ideas?
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19:27<geordie>the best irc client is included in emacs: rcirc
19:28<geordie>the best i say
19:28<causa-prima>geordie: he's already gone ;)
19:28<retrospectacus>geordie: anyways you're wrong. Irssi is obviously the best
19:28<retrospectacus>!start an irc client war
19:28<dpkg>XiRCON owns!
19:28<retrospectacus>dpkg: wrong
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19:30<causa-prima>if there is noone here who could help me with my problem, is there anyone here who could tell me were to find some help?
19:30<retrospectacus>causa-prima: sounds like you need to mkfs
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19:31<retrospectacus>causa-prima: how did you resize it?
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19:31<causa-prima>retrospectacus: i just let mdadm grow, denn wanted to use resize2fs, but it said nothing had to be done
19:32<causa-prima>retrospectacus: so i tried e2fsck. and that was a mistake
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19:33<causa-prima>retrospectacus: now i know that i should at first have made a resize mit parted, because the partition has a gpt instead of a mbr (because it's more than 2TiB big)
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19:35<causa-prima>retrospectacus: so what do you mean with "need to mkfs"? make a completly new partition and loose all the data?
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19:50<edbian>Whenever I grep things I keep getting 'Binary file x matches' What on earth is going on with grep? (e.g. grep Accept /var/log/auth.log)
19:50<TobiX>eightyeight: Side-stepping political discussion by just deciding everything in secret? Oh boy.
19:51<eightyeight>TobiX: it's been discussed before, and even proposed by debian years ago, and a bug filed against fhs
19:51<retrospectacus>edbian: that sounds normal, except /var/log/auth.log should not be binary
19:51<eightyeight>everyone seemed to agree on it then, then it got dropped?
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19:52<eightyeight>of course, debian will hash it over. you can't sneeze without debian discussing it first. ツ
19:52*eightyeight ducks
19:52<edbian>retrospectacus: file /var/log/auth.log report: auth.log: data
19:52<edbian>retrospectacus: It's not a binary file?
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19:53<retrospectacus>edbian: mine: /var/log/auth.log: ASCII text
19:53<edbian>retrospectacus: What is going on...
19:53<TobiX>eightyeight: Well... There will be flamewars up and down, but that won't change the fact: It will be implemented this way
19:53<eightyeight>TobiX: i just thought it was an interesting read, so i thought i'd share
19:54<retrospectacus>edbian, try reading the file with less, see what's in there
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19:54<causa-prima>retrospectacus: did you say anything about my case while i was away? my isp just disconnected me..
19:54*TobiX checks his asbestos suit :)
19:54<retrospectacus>causa-prima: oh hai... sorry I wandered off
19:55<retrospectacus>causa-prima: didn't say anything, and yes by "mkfs" I mean format it
19:55<edbian>retrospectacus: less, more, cat, and even nano read it as text (it looks totally normal)
19:55<edbian>Why does a file magically turn into a binary? (I have had some odd freezes recently)
19:56<causa-prima>retrospectacus: that is my last option. before that i wuld try some dd-magic to copy a existing backup-superblock or something like that
19:56<retrospectacus>causa-prima: GL :)
19:56<edbian>The other logs appear to be ASCII English text or ASCII text
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19:58<retrospectacus>edbian: well you could search in less instead of grepping
19:58<retrospectacus>less /var/log/auth.log, then type /Accept
19:59<retrospectacus>press n to see each result...
19:59<edbian>yeah, I got that. Just like in man pages. How can I fix this problem? Will the log return to normal?
19:59<retrospectacus>edbian: easiest option: >/var/log/auth.log
20:00<retrospectacus>that will erase the file
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20:00<edbian>retrospectacus: Mmm, I'd rather not have a missing log file. I'll copy and it re-write into it. Hopefully the system doesn't hate me for doing that.
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20:02<retrospectacus>you could try something silly like: cat /var/log/auth.log > /tmp/auth.log; > /var/log/auth.log ; cat /tmp/auth.log > /var/log/auth.log
20:02<retrospectacus>and hope that there are some kind of binary data that cat will not print
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20:06<retrospectacus>or pretend you're logrotate: cd /var/log/ ; gzip auth.log; >auth.log
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20:07<retrospectacus>infact then zgrep Allow auth.log.gz might work
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20:07<edbian>retrospectacus: what does zgrep do?
20:08<retrospectacus>is grep for gzipped data
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20:08<retrospectacus>there is also zcat and zless FYI
20:09<luis>hey there good afternoon to you all i need some help, i have been trying to delete a folder in trash but it won't delete it i even didi the "rm -rf * and still won't delet the file how can i force this file to be remove help please
20:10<retrospectacus>luis: can you make a pastebin of your attempts and outputs?
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20:12<luis>this are all the ways i have try to get delete it:
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20:13<retrospectacus>luis: can't you right-click the trash can and choose "empty trash"? Why are you trying to do this by command line?
20:14<luis>because it doesn't work the way you are telling me as well
20:14<luis>that's why
20:14<retrospectacus>but inside the Trash you see "0-supertux-0.3.3" ?
20:15<snogglethorpe>Hi, any pointers how to handle an "unknown" USB device? It's a smartphone, and shows up in lsusb output, but with no obvious driver or device for it in /dev... (is there a better irc channel for this kinda thing?)
20:15<luis>still there
20:15<luis>won't go away
20:15<snogglethorpe>(manuf. instructions consist of basically "install this windows driver and clicketty clicky click")
20:16<retrospectacus>luis: do you remember how you put this directory into the trash?
20:16<luis>of course
20:16<luis>i did right click and sen it to trash
20:17<luis>and once in trash i first of all did right click and click on delete but nothing happen
20:17<luis>actually it says something let me tell you wait
20:17<causa-prima>luis: what is the output of "find -iname *supertux*" as normal user? (so not as root)
20:18<causa-prima>luis: please paste it, if it's to long
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20:18<luis>ok i did right click and went for delete option then i get this: Could not delete file /home/luis/.local/share/Trash/files/supertux-0.3.3/do pak/README
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20:19<retrospectacus>luis: well the trash is here: ~/.local/share/Trash - you are not supposed to browse/manipulate this location but since you are having trouble you may try poking around in there
20:19<retrospectacus>ok what does "ls -a '/home/luis/.local/share/Trash/files/supertux-0.3.3/do pak/README' " say?
20:19<luis>and .....that means.....?
20:19<luis>another thing
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20:20<luis>when i right click the way i did my computer slow down a lot
20:20<luis>lets see
20:20<retrospectacus>I mean, ls -l "/home/luis/.local/share/Trash/files/supertux-0.3.3/do pak/README"
20:20<causa-prima>luis: then try "rm -rf /home/luis/.local/share/Trash/files/supertux-0.3.3"
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20:21<causa-prima>luis: for the recod: aptitude is NOT for deleting files, neither is apt. they are package managment programs.
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20:27<causa-prima>bye :)
20:28<retrospectacus>(you won't actually see me leave, and I'll be back in 20 mins.. just going home from work... screen ftw)
20:29<snogglethorpe>causa-prima: tho to be honest, aptitude seems to loooooove to delete things...
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20:30<causa-prima>snogglethorpe: like...packages?
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20:33<snogglethorpe>causa-prima: yeah, the automatic conflict resolution seems to favor the most destructive choice of actions about 90% of the time...
20:33<snogglethorpe>never fails to amaze me...
20:34<snogglethorpe>("choice 1 (default): delete the kernel and half the install packages; choice 2: hold 'libstupid' at current version")
20:34<causa-prima>snogglethorpe: yeah, especially at dist-upgrades ;)
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20:35<snogglethorpe>i know that the maintainer's being trying to make it better for a long time, but the sheer consistency of bad behavior (delete lots of stuff, much of it important) even when there are quite reasonable choices also available ("hold a few packages temporarily") is just amazing...
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20:36<snogglethorpe>but yeah I guess one prob is that the choice of 'dist-upgrade' for the full-screen interface is not exactly what many users expect...
20:36<causa-prima>that's why i'm still sticking to apt, i feel more in control there .)
20:37<snogglethorpe>myself, I like aptitude's general interface a lot; it's just the damn resolver's default behavior ... can never trust the default
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20:50<retrospectacus>I'm back :)
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21:08<bonny>Are there any channels for games for linux. If there are can you tell me please.
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21:32<bike>i fond something weird, the networkmanager-gnome thingie tries to do dhcp on port 67 apparently and fails to connect to any wlan
21:33<bike>this is in testing
21:33<bike>[ 224.108013] DHCP pkt src port:68, dest port:67!!
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21:33<infinite>Hi Folks:
21:33<bike>ive been beating myself silly all day thinking its a driver problem, running back and forth between versions of the rtl8192se card, kernels and all
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21:36<Guest678>I just installed Debian Squeeze 6.0 on AMD 64 bit Phenom X4 computer , I am trying to configure the Xorg, How do I install NVIDIA drivers for my computer
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21:36<bike>search for the nvidia modules in apt or a package manager
21:36<bike>just search for nvidia and debian will handle the rest once you find it
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21:37<bike>think its called nvidia-glx but im not sure, its been a while
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21:37<luis>hi again, good evening everyoone i like to ask your help i am trying to empty my trash can but it won't delete a file not even with: "rm -rf *" can anyone help me please?
21:38<Guest678>I tried script from Kanotix to install NVIDIA drivers, it failed, and I used module-assistant, m-a prepare; m-a auto-install nvidia, this installs xorg.conf, but when I restart XServer, all I am left with is a blinking cursor
21:38<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please join #nvidia (
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21:40<bike>doesnt nouveau have some 3d support for older cards now? or am i thinking of something else like gallium or something
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21:41<abrotman>it does have a bit
21:41<abrotman>Guest678: this is not the Kanotix support channel
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21:46<bike>any word on how to work around my dhcp request port problem? ( network manager (nm-applet) ) tries to use port 67 and 68 is expected or the other way around
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21:48<Guest678>abrotman: I know it is not Kanotix help channel, I was just mentioning the Nvidia-install script fromo Kanotix also failed. I have installed the drivers using module-assistant, but upon reboot I am left with only a blinking cursor
21:48<bike>hm , maybe something else is broken, but it wont give me an address no matter what i do, manually editing the interfaces file and doing ifup or dhclient
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22:48<pranith>gdm3 version 2.30.5-6squeeze2 fails to install on my system... I got this as an update today... any ideas?
22:50<tsoliman>pranith: what is the failure?
22:50<pranith>dpkg: error processing gdm3
22:50<dpkg>pranith: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
22:51<tsoliman>what are you using for a package manager?
22:51<abrotman>pranith: should be more to the error .. use a pastebin
22:51<pranith>yes, I will paste it ...
22:53<abrotman>pranith: is it running when you do the update?
22:54<pranith>I tried doing the update.. then tried installing this using aptitude
22:54<tsoliman>I had a general question about bug logging. I have a bug logged with alsa upstream (w/patch) that will result in a kernel change. In the meantime I will log a bug with debian so I don't keep having to recompile my kernel. My question is .. what package should I log it to in debian?
22:54<abrotman>pranith: put a 'set -x' on the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm3.postinst .. then try to install it again
22:54<sney>tsoliman: alsa-source, probably
22:55<tsoliman>sney: thanks .. even though it is a kernel patch really
22:55<tsoliman>time to learn the BTS control
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22:56<pranith>abrotman, a bunch of text on my console... what now?
22:56<pranith>abrotman, no errors but...
22:56<abrotman>must be an error somewhere .. put it all in a pastebin
22:56<nico>how to update system in debian 6???
22:57<tsoliman>pranith: set -x enabled debugging so we can see what is going on
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22:58<pranith>tsoliman, hmm, but there is no error now :-/
22:58<nico>abortman,how to update system in debian 6 ??
22:58<abrotman>aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade
22:58<tsoliman>nico: are you running KDE or Gnome or do you want the command-line way?
22:58<abrotman>pranith: everything okay now ?
22:59<nico>i'm using xfce
22:59<pranith>abrotman, seems so. aptitude upgrade gave no error
22:59<tsoliman>nico: do you have synaptic installed?
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22:59<nico>i want upgrade my system with command line
22:59<pranith>abrotman, but I would like to know what went wrong :)
22:59<tsoliman>nico: aptitude
23:00<pranith>aha, aptitude reinstall gdm3 brings back the error
23:00<noturno99>somebody help me about latex?
23:00<pranith>so set -x solves the error
23:00<sney>nico: abrotman already told you
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23:00<nico>apt-get install latex
23:01<pranith>with set -e, I still get the error
23:01<noturno99>how can I include a symbol?
23:01<pranith>noturno99, google
23:01<noturno99>i'm using beamer
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23:24<Megaf>hey, I cant find cdrecord on the repos
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23:24<Megaf>is it named differently?
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23:25<gsimmons>Megaf: wodim
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23:48<flaccid>i have an image file that is of this type Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=03c60960-ee2f-455e-ae14-f8a865ce10b3 (needs journal recovery) (large files)
23:48<flaccid>i can't just mount that in loopback it seems - i guess its the partition or something. wondering how to extract or mount it?
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23:48<flaccid>can i dd it out or something
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23:49<sney>yeah, you could dd it straight to a partition
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23:51<flaccid>hmm, can i somehow dd it to a folder or extract it? i kind of don't have a spare partition available..
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23:51<th_>is there an error during loop mount?
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23:52<flaccid>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0
23:52<flaccid>hmm i guess its possible that /dev/loop0 is something in the image
23:53<flaccid>39602.664288] EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem.
23:53<flaccid>[939602.664291] EXT3-fs: write access unavailable, cannot proceed.
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23:53<th_>what about copying that image first
23:53<th_>then mount it with loop and rw
23:53<flaccid>copy it? its already a file
23:53<th_>so if anything bad happens, you still have the original
23:54<th_>i assume that you mount it using mount -t ext3 -o ro,loop
23:54<th_>but the kernel can't proceed because of "ro" option
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23:55<flaccid>ooo i see
23:55<flaccid>rw seems to have worked
23:55<th_>and i assume that you specify ro because you don't want to accidentally write the image
23:55<flaccid>w00t thanks so much
23:56<th_>so, i think you can just copy the image first, and mount it again with rw
23:56<flaccid>yep though it doesn't matter. this is an unbundle from an s3 AMI
23:56<flaccid>exactly what i need
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23:56<flaccid>𹂷 <-- this is what i'm trying to work out
23:56<flaccid>if its my fault in build or if its their pv grub
23:56<flaccid>far out its mine
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23:57<flaccid>the menu.lst was overwritten
23:57<th_>... i spent hours fiddling with squeeze and latest vanilla kernel in ec2
23:58<flaccid>and as update-initfs or update-grub did it in chroot the root is showing as /dev/loop0
23:58<th_>waiting an instance to reboot is like ... forever
23:58<flaccid>th_: i'm about to release 20 images
23:58<flaccid>reboots are fast
23:58<th_>i see
23:58<flaccid>is there any way to get update-grub to not overwrite root with /dev/loop0 ?
23:59<flaccid>its because its chroot on a mounted .img in the build..
23:59<th_>perhaps you could manually write the menu.lst
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