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01:10<aussa>I haven't been able to use "aptitude unmarkauto" to remove a package without removing gnome
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01:25<aussa>tryed to install flash plugin in icedove without success, got it from aptitude...
01:26<RTFMasshole>Well now what?
01:26<RTFMasshole>At least you know aptitude sucks...
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01:32<engine64>hi all, how to use rsync to copy file which are day old and not the current file? We have this VOIP server that creates cdrs from yesterday and If you copy the current file you'll get errors. filename is month-day-year.dat
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01:36<mjt>--exclude=$(date +%m-%d-%Y.dat -d yesterday)
01:37<mjt>month-day-year is a bad choice, it sorts wrongly
01:39<RTFMasshole>LIKE FUCK
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01:42<engine64>mjt: thanks, why it sorts wrongly?
01:43<engine64>sorry. the correct example is "cdr.20110109.dat"
01:43<engine64>that's January 9, 2011
01:43<mjt>that one sorts better
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01:44<mjt>my example assumes you're running it from *nix
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01:44<engine64>yes sir
01:45<engine64>both linux server
01:45<mjt>also you probably want to omit `-d yesterday'
01:45<engine64>i will tunnel through ssh
01:45<engine64>over the internet
01:46<engine64>-d means transfer directories w/out recursing?
01:46<mjt>it's an option for date command, not rsync
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01:50<engine64>mjt: thanks
01:51<engine64>now that -d is remove and filename is different, what is the right way?
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01:51<mjt>i don't understand what you're asking
01:52<engine64>what is the correct parameters?
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02:18<firefox>so i had a laptop with the first partition being ntfs and the second all my linux stuff.. well I have been filling my 12gb linux to the brim but have 15gb I dont use in ntfs... How do I get the 15 over to linux?
02:18<leworan>plis help my
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02:20<d4rkh4v0k>Can you repartition ?
02:20<d4rkh4v0k>with gparted ?
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02:21<firefox>d4rkh4v0k, Yeah, but that just leaves me with 15 gb after the ntfs partition that I cant merge or expand to.
02:21<firefox>I cant loose the data or I would just do a reinstall tbh
02:22<d4rkh4v0k>If you create the 15 gb as unallocated space you should be able to drag your ntfs partition and linux os
02:22<leworan>people help mi
02:22<d4rkh4v0k>It's risky, I've done it a few times so try to back up your data beforehand
02:23<leworan>trabla debian
02:23<d4rkh4v0k>But yeah I think that's how it would work. If the space is allocated or just free space you can't expand to it
02:23<firefox>leworan, just ask
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02:23<d4rkh4v0k>you need to create unallocated space
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02:23<d4rkh4v0k>Is the freespace attached to any OS ?
02:23<firefox>d4rkh4v0k, by drag you mean the gparted gui? cause its not letting me haha
02:24<firefox>d4rkh4v0k, it was part of the ntfs now its just unallocated
02:24<d4rkh4v0k>Yep, You have to unmount your volumes and boot a live CD
02:24<d4rkh4v0k>any live distro should have gparted installed as their toolset
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02:24<d4rkh4v0k>so you don't have to install a new os, you can just resize
02:25<d4rkh4v0k>Pen drive is only 50mb if your looking for a quick device
02:25<firefox>d4rkh4v0k, hmm on a 1.4mb connection I am weighing the fix to me getting sleep ratio haha
02:25<firefox>that might work
02:25<firefox>like DSL?
02:25<d4rkh4v0k>I hope it has the tool kit, if not sorry but that's a route to take
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02:26<d4rkh4v0k>But remember to specify your settings for your bootloader or else you will get a no system error on reboot
02:26<leworan>no debian boot without monitor
02:27<firefox>leworan, is it an intel video card?
02:27<leworan>I am a Russian
02:27<leworan>video onboard
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02:28<firefox>leworan, the lspci
02:28<firefox>leworan, that is if you can boot songle user
02:28<firefox>leworan, single*
02:28<leworan>is that
02:30<firefox>leworan, actually I said something stupid haha. just try adding "nomodeset" to the grub boot options if its an intel chipset
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02:31<firefox>d4rkh4v0k, I might do it the lazy way haha. just format the 15 gb copy my /home to it and then mount it as /home just gotta figure out how in the fstab
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02:33<d4rkh4v0k>lol That's the better way
02:33<d4rkh4v0k>it's a good way to learn
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02:33<luis_>hey good night to you all i need your help i am trying to install a METLIFE INSURANCE software used to get quotes ofr customers, wine is already installed with gecko but whener i click to install it alwas say that it need: "TechTools PDF" and ask me if i want wine to install it i click ok and then it just freeze, is there someone in here that can help me to solve this please???
02:34<d4rkh4v0k>I actually created a dual partition on my macbook pro
02:34<d4rkh4v0k>techtools pdf ?
02:34<luis_>that's what wine says
02:34<d4rkh4v0k>is that a software app ? or a pdf file ?
02:35<luis_>is an app software used to get quotes for customers
02:35<luis_>i need to install it
02:35<luis_>but before installation wine ask to install TechTools PDF
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02:36<d4rkh4v0k>There should be a setting that has pre-set install packages that are add ons. I got guild wars to run through wine as an additonal package
02:36<firefox>luis_, you use winetricks script? wine is usually a pain but running the winetricks script puts it inline.
02:36<d4rkh4v0k>Check the pre-set packages or wine tools and see if you can find any sort of pdf related tool
02:36<luis_>i have never heard about that winetricks
02:36<leworan># DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
02:36<leworan># It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates
02:36<leworan># from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
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02:36<ompaul>do not paste either
02:36<mandark>BIM !
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02:37<luis_>so i do that and also install winetricks?
02:37<d4rkh4v0k>that sounds right, not everything is compatible
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---Logopened Fri Apr 15 02:40:09 2011
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02:40<leworan>if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then
02:40<leworan> set gfxmode=640x480
02:40<leworan> load_video
02:40<leworan> insmod gfxterm
02:40<leworan>terminal_output gfxterm
02:40<d4rkh4v0k>If all else fails you can always try virtual box
02:40<leworan>insmod part_msdos
02:40<leworan>insmod ext2
02:40<leworan>set root='(hd0,msdos1)'
02:40<leworan>search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6db84453-ab2a-48ad-ab5f-6765cefc4bee
02:40<leworan>set locale_dir=($root)/boot/grub/locale
02:40<leworan>set lang=ru
02:40<luis_>right virtual box
02:40<d4rkh4v0k>leworan net
02:40<leworan>insmod gettext
02:40<leworan>set timeout=5
02:40<leworan>### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
02:40<leworan>### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###
02:40<leworan>insmod part_msdos
02:40<leworan>insmod ext2
02:40<leworan>set root='(hd0,msdos1)'
02:40<leworan>search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6db84453-ab2a-48ad-ab5f-6765cefc4bee
02:40<luis_>but do i need to install nasty windows in vistual box?
02:40<leworan>insmod png
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02:40<d4rkh4v0k>If you can't fix it in wintricks you might have to. I have it, but I only use it to test hacks
02:40<d4rkh4v0k>But don't give it
02:40<firefox>luis_, Winetrick is jsut a suggestion. I had freezes and stuff with programs and installs before and after using wine tricks when ever a program complained about needing stuff it was cherry
02:40<luis_>i see let me try it :P
02:40<d4rkh4v0k>cool good luck
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02:40<firefox>luis_, and I would google that tech pdf stuff. it sounds like another software.. unless its just asking for a pdf handler
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02:40<costas>it might be part of the install, eg a pdf describing the program...
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02:41<luis_>ooh belive me i just spend all day long since 10 am until now 1:41 am googlin about that and i just haven't found anything about it
02:42<firefox>yeah , install a windows pdf reader in wine maybe. does winetricks have one to select? ( I vaguely remember it as an option)
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02:44<d4rkh4v0k>Yeah I think so
02:44<d4rkh4v0k>But I used the OSX version of wine
02:45<firefox>oh and always install the msttfcorefonts or something like that
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02:46<firefox>I have had countless programs run slow in wine, its because they are looking for those fonts... they would crawl. afer getting those fonts install to fix a program.. EVERYTHING ran as if I were right in windows.
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02:48<firefox>so whats ext4 have that ext3 doesn’t?
02:48<costas>luis_, if i had space I would test run it for ya, but my hard disk died and I'm running on a usb stick until the hardware arrives...
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02:50<dpkg>[ext4] The fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Merged in the mainline Linux kernel, available since version 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. ext4 is not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121) and not the default in Squeeze (Debian bug #603084). #ext4 on
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02:51<luis_>i love that idea
02:51<luis_>is not that big
02:51<firefox>sometimes I feel like dpkg is always talking down to me haha
02:51<costas>!beer dpkg
02:51*dpkg pours a quart of Delirium Tremens for dpkg
02:51<costas>I give the bot beers that's why it talks down to us...
02:52<firefox>and sometimes it beats me? =(
02:53<costas>luis, I do tech support for a living, used to have a dual boot on my desktop at home, to avoid certain wine mishaps, hopefully you'll manage to make the app work in wine though
02:53<luis_>this thing is not working is telling me that i need wine 1.3
02:54<firefox>what release are you using?
02:54<firefox>of debian
02:54<costas>latest wine is recommended luis_
02:55<mandark>Any idea of what to do when an umount is in uninterruptible sleep (>5mn), unmounting an iSCSI disk ? :-P
02:55<luis_>is the latest
02:55<luis_>the stable actually
02:55<luis_>because wine says that the newest still in beta
02:56<firefox>weird let me check mine
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02:56<luis_>i have been thinking
02:56<luis_>i love debian best ever
02:56<luis_>for for my job is becoming kinnda problem
02:57<luis_>because of that software
02:57<firefox>wine-1.0.1 wierd... I just used the script to
02:57<firefox>brb getting latest
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02:57<luis_>ok let me ask you this
02:58<luis_>is there a way to pastebin the stuff that i need to install so you can see on your own?
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02:58<firefox>you using this one?
02:58<jm_>luis_: /msg dpkg paste
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02:59<luis_>about that one is to install wine the beta then i do need to uninstall the one that i have right?
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03:00<firefox>ok nvm I just got the same error
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03:01<firefox>I just did a fresh install on my server, and used the script. let me see what its running
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03:02<dpkg>umount is, like, "device is busy errors"? try fuser -km <mount point> and then umount...
03:03<firefox>wow they must have just changed it cause my wine is the same. I'll copy the working one to paste bing
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03:05<mandark>Any idea of what to do while havint an iSCSI in uninterruptible sleep ? )o:
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03:07<luis_>so what about a way to pastebin here the software that i need to install so you guys can see on your own if is possible? this is software from insurance company i know it can work because they are several the simple ona are easy to install
03:08<luis_>but there's one that is giving me troubles
03:11<d4rkh4v0k>pastebin the software?
03:11<d4rkh4v0k>Do you mean the errors ?
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03:12<firefox>the list of
03:12<luis_>i want to know if there's a way to get you the software that i need to install in my computer so you guys can see on your own in your computers
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03:12<firefox>how do I find a partitions UUID?
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03:13<firefox>nvm got it
03:14<luis_>in other words you trying to install the software and see if works on you
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03:15<luis_>i have been always have had this issue, when it comes to install software from insurance companies to make quotes for customers i just can't so i always have to borrow someone else laptops with windows in order for me to be able to quote an insurance
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03:19<firefox>well I'll know if I destroyed everything after the reboot haha
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03:21<firefox>here goes everything haha
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03:24<costas>!beer dpkg
03:24*dpkg pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg
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03:25<luis_>i want to know if there's a way to get you the software that i need to install in my computer so you guys can see on your own in your computersi have been always have had this issue, when it comes to install software from insurance companies to make quotes for customers i just can't so i always have to borrow someone else laptops with windows in order for me to be able to quote an insurance
03:26<luis_>so is there someone in here that know how to install that software from insuranece company and that actually make it work in debian?
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03:28<dEhiN>what software?
03:28<dEhiN>any specific application names?
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03:29<luis_>insurance companys has speciall software use to quote insurance for customers
03:30<luis_>in this case i am trying to install this software from Metlife Insurance company in my computer but that software is made for windows
03:30<dEhiN>but that's too general luis_; which insurance companies have you dealt with, and what was/were the names of the software packages you tried to install, and were those packages speficially written for linux?
03:30<luis_>i told you
03:30<luis_>Met Life
03:30<dEhiN>I saw after I typed that
03:31<luis_>no problem
03:31<dEhiN>then it probably won't work unless you use wine
03:31<costas>luis, check the wine site for compatibility...
03:31<dEhiN>and even then
03:31<luis_>that's the problem
03:31<mjt>many of that stuff works under wine
03:31<dEhiN>but depending on how complex the software is, it might not
03:31<dEhiN>haven't used wine in a few years, but I don't know how wine handles complex code
03:32<luis_>that when i use wine it always says: TechTools PDF need to be install you want wine to install it i click yes and it freezes
03:32<mjt>it's not about complexity it's about completness
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03:32<dEhiN>mjt: really? didn't know
03:32<costas>it's a bet you might lose...
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03:32<dEhiN>luis_: try install TechTools PDF first
03:33<luis_>well that's another issue i have been googling for that for more than 12 hours and haven't found anything about it
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03:33<costas>last resort... make a windblowz partition and install windows and do your job...
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03:34<mjt>sometimes using a virtual machine (kvm) is faster/easier
03:34<dEhiN>was just about to suggest the same
03:34<dEhiN>never tried kvm, but use virtualbox and find it works fine
03:35<dEhiN>plus vbox supports sharing folders from host to guest (not sure if kvm does)
03:35<costas>well, crappy windows software sometimes need crappy operation systems... 8-D
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03:36<costas>a lot of stuff I still got from windows do not run on virtual boxes or wine...
03:36<jww__>it's no use (c) gouken .
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03:38<dEhiN>costas: that's not a crappy windows issue...that's the difference between trying to emulate/virtualise/recompile/reengineer software meant to through one type of os directly onto the hardware with another os
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03:39<firefox>cept I copied my home as root haha. permissions foobar when I first got in
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03:40<mjt>costas: if your stuff does not work in virtualbox it means it does not work at all, basically. Vbox emulates a whole computer, and windows installed inside does not "know" it is running in emulated environment.
03:41<mjt>costas: this is a huge difference between wine and virtualbox/kvm - wine tries to emulate windows, while vbox/kvm emulate whole computer and _run_ windows.
03:41<firefox>mjt, actuslly the virtual drivers for bridging network and video stuff can have an impact
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03:42<mjt>very unlikely
03:42<dEhiN>mjt: that's true, although I've wondered how effective even a virtual solution like vbox is when operating intensive software, like servers, or graphics creation stuff
03:42<firefox>mjt, I've had several modem software crash/fail because of it
03:43<firefox>cell modem
03:43<mjt>well, usb emulation can be a problem indeed
03:43<dEhiN>see what I think vbox/kvm/etc. should do is allow you to install the guest os's drivers for whatever hardware you are running
03:43<dEhiN>but again, the usb emulation is just that - emulation
03:44<mjt>dEhiN: no emulated environment currently has good multimedia/3d capabilities, so graphics is very weak
03:44<mjt>for the rest - cpu/memory/disk/network - emulation is quite effective. for cpu/memory they run at native speed.
03:45<dEhiN>mjt: yeah, I figured...and this is o/t but I've never understood why virtual solutions provide a simplified driver solution for accessing hardware beyond cpu/memory (ie, pci, usb, network, audio, video)...why not allow the guest os's own drivers to be used?
03:46<mjt>as of drivers for real hw - no, that's not how it works. kvm now have limited support to assign a pci device to a guest, but think about it: this way you risk to get control under your whole machine from a guest
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03:46<mjt>intel vt-d solves this partially
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03:47<dEhiN>true, but is the point of a virtual solution sandboxing or having a multi-os setup without a multi-boot setup?
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03:48<mjt>fine if you trust your guest OS
03:48<mjt>but it's not the point actually
03:48<dEhiN>yeah I guess
03:48<mjt>assigning a real hw into a guest isn't actually easy
03:48<dEhiN>that's more why I figured it hasn't been done - it's not easy to do!
03:48<mjt>for some devices (network cards for example) it's easy and it works for several years
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03:49<mjt>for other devices - like a video card - it involves quite complex stuff between host bios, video bios, proper initializing in "new" operating system and whatnot
03:50<mjt>and obviously (I hope anyway) you can't use the same device from both host and guest at the same time
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03:53<mjt>no way even simpler devices to work without proper hw support (like intel vt-d or amd iommu) - almost every device now has dma capabilities and the chipset has to remap host/guest addresses when the device is doing dma operations
03:54<mjt>ie, it's not just about sandboxing, it's about actual "work" or "does not work" state
03:54<dEhiN>wow! didn't realize the issues were so complex
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03:54<dEhiN>then I retract my suggestions/questions...
03:55<firefox>Now prepare thine self for flogging
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03:55<dEhiN>yes, o master :P
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03:55<mjt>see: guest programs a device (a disk controller) and tells the device to put the data it reads from that drive to this DMA address. But the guest thinks that address is real, physical, in context of real hw. Now the device tries to write that data but where -- in host that (virtual) address does not exist... boom.
03:56<mjt>it's a very simple description of the problem :)
03:56<firefox>they'd probably have to add virtualization into the video cards to make it effective for media
03:57<mjt>so it's the chipset who does dma "back-remapping"
03:57<dEhiN>mjt: which chipset though? the cpu?
03:57<mjt>north bridge
03:57<mjt>or memory controller, whatever
03:57<mjt>(it's in cpu nowadays)
03:58<mjt>pci controller has to support that somehow as well
03:58<firefox>anyone know when I can take off nomodeset for my crappy intel graphics and have a working network-manager? lol
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03:59<dEhiN>mjt: can't the kernel do the address remapping?
04:00<mjt>it does
04:00<dEhiN>or rather in this case, the virtualization software?
04:00<mjt>by emulating devices and program real devices accordingly
04:01<dEhiN>ok, I think I'm beginning to see how this actually works, and the issues surrounding emulation/virtualization
04:01<mjt>it'll have to intercept device programming, interpret everything and change addresses
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04:02<costas>mjt, talk is cheap, I did try all of what you discuss in the past... I do not run any windowz apps at the moment, debian is sufficient...
04:02<costas>but the problem persists... the install of that app luis is talking about has failed...
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04:03<firefox>I am a gamer, but I have been trying to get wow to work haha. I think steam already does? if those two things worked I'd drop windows.
04:03<dEhiN>costas: where'd you get the app? I'll see if I can install it
04:04<costas>we are talking about luis program here people, read up...
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04:04<firefox>costas, you have all the .net and fonts installed?
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04:05<dEhiN>costas: I read that, didn't think to search for it :)...let me give it a whirl
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04:05<costas>not in my laptop, hard disk died and I'm using a usb flash disk today... luis needs help not me...
04:06<firefox>I lost my history from the reboot, whats the software again?
04:07<costas>METLIFE INSURANCE software... install asks about techtools pdf to install then freezes...
04:07<dEhiN>i don't see anything on met life insurance's website about software to install for quotes - i see an online quote option
04:07<costas>luis, give us a link please...
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04:08<firefox>he d/ced a while back I think
04:09<dEhiN>costas: how did you get a copy to install?
04:09<firefox>my guess is that techtools pdf is a third party software that should be installed before the other exe
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04:10<dEhiN>tbh all the quotes and calculators I can find on (which afaik is Metlife Insurance) are online-based
04:11<costas>no beer for luis... after a google search nothing came up... smells like shareware hell to me...
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05:25<Guest2068>Hi, I'm new to quilt and poorly in debian/rules. I've successfully created a patch with quilt as per the DNewMaintGuide, and it seems fine in debian/patches/ (series too), but when I build the package it doesn't seem to have applied it. I'm guessing I'm missing some dh_ target in debian/rules, but not sure what. ?? cheers
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05:48<dpkg>from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
05:48<babilen>Guest2068: ^^^^
05:49<Guest2068>babilen: tx, switching channels
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06:01<set>I installed lm-sensors on server hardware but when i put sensors command get info only about core temp but as 0.00 ... howto correct install lm-sensor? I done sensor scaner
06:01<set>I installed it of tutorials form google :)
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06:09<set>maybe its the version problem? on debian sid is wersion is new, ...i installed sid on my desktop and installed lm-sensors in new wersion and info is ok. Can I install lm-sensor from sid on stable squeeze?
06:09<Guest2068>set: su; sensors-detect. see zless /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/README.Debian.gz
06:10<jm_>set: did you check what value the kernel driver reports?
06:12<set>jm_: i dont know how, or mayby i known budt dont undarstand what you ask
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06:12<set>jm_: you ask about logs?
06:13<jm_>set: cat /sys/devices/platform/coretemp*/temp1_input
06:13<jm_>or /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon....
06:15<set>jm_: = 0
06:15<jm_>set: that's why sensors command reports 0 too
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06:16<set>?? I dont understand... howto core can have 0 temp?
06:16<jm_>well obviously there's some bug or you have unsupported CPU
06:16<set>lm-sensors cant read tem from sensors on mobo?
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06:16<jm_>it shows temperatures for all available sensors
06:17<jm_>so if your motherboard sensor is supported ...
06:17<jm_>(and driver loaded)
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06:17<set>ok so can i install lmsensors as new wersion from sid on stable squeeze? on sid is new version...maybe it help if its bug
06:18<jm_>with coretemp? no, only a newer kernel might help - did you check what coretemp said in dmesg?
06:19<jm_>for other sensors run sensors-detect and see if it finds any; if it does, load those and run sensors again
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06:21<set>done sensor-detect and dont show any sensors
06:21<set>:( so my mobo dont supply lm-sensors?
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06:22<jm_>which motherboard is it?
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06:22<jm_>and are you using a debian kernel?
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06:25<set>jm_: yes is debian kernel... im seraching info about mobo one minute
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06:26<set>jm_: S3420GP Intel
06:26<set>jm_: serial AZGX05200354
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06:29<jm_>set: maybe you need to use IPMI for it
06:29<jm_>but I have no clue about that
06:30<set>i will read about it
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06:31<jm_>try openipmi or ipmitool packages
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06:45<lord_rob>who knows
06:45<stderr>FSF knows.
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07:26<rking>My "Left" key is doing some weird Compose Key behavior. When I press it, the system waits for me to type some number of keys then produces a unicode character. How do I find out what part of the OS is responsible for this?
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07:32<rking>I'll try again later.
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08:28<set> what is wrong with klod? cant stop service, cant remove, howto repair it?
08:29<babilen>!localized errors
08:29<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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08:30<set>oh sorry... forgot it ;)
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08:30<babilen>no problem, but my Polish is a bit rusty :)
08:31<set>heh... so you think apt-get -f install help?
08:31<babilen>not sure, that is just an example
08:31<babilen>run the same set of commands as before, but prefixed with LANG=C
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08:32<set>where i shoudl put this prefix?
08:32<set>in address?
08:33<rpetre>set: LANG=C aptitude install ...
08:35<set>should be ok now
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08:41<jm_>what does dpkg -S /etc/init.d/klogd say?
08:42<jm_>ahh it's likely already installed but unconfigured
08:43<set>i tried configure it
08:43<set>but cant do this
08:43<jm_> mentions this error
08:43<jm_>Bug in the package with script X: The facility provided in script /etc/init.d/X uses a non-unique value. Changing it to a unique value (for example the script name without .sh ending), solves the issue.
08:43<set>dpkg-configure <name> dont work
08:43<jm_>it's dpkg --pending --configure, not dpkg-reconfigure
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08:45<set>jm_: i done dpkg --pending --configure bunt information is stil the same
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08:45<jm_>set: yes, the real issue is the one mentioned above
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08:45<jm_>try grep klogd /etc/init.d/*
08:46<set>you want see this?
08:46<jm_>how many files does it find?
08:46<jm_>"Provides: ..." line
08:46<jm_>should use a better regex
08:47<jm_>grep 'Provides:.*klogd' /etc/init.d/*
08:47<jm_>ignore sysklogd one
08:47*babilen suspects a clash with rsyslog -- remove it or just keep on using rsyslog instead of klogd
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08:47<babilen>→ please
08:48<jm_>hah, I upgraded to squeeze so I can now do fancy arrows too: →→→
08:48<jolan>hello, does someone successfully use kexec with an amd64 kernel and a x86 userland ?
08:49<babilen>jolan: be the first!
08:49<jm_>set: you should file a bug
08:49<babilen>set: If I were you I would just keep on using rsyslog and don't bother with klogd
08:49<jolan>i'm not successfull
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08:49<babilen>!dbugs #515696
08:50<dpkg>#515696:M[klogd] conflicting priority (clashes with rsyslog) (); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:27:02 UTC []
08:50<babilen>probably that one ^^^^
08:50<jm_>busybox-klogd properly conflicts with klogd, but klogd doesn't have a conflicts value for it
08:50<babilen>A "Conflicts: rsyslog" might be needed ... Not sure though.
08:50<set>ok i will try it
08:51<set>one moment
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08:51<babilen>set: You have to remove rsyslog -- but I would still recommend to stay with rsyslog
08:52<set>heh i installed rsyslog and have no errors i think:)
08:52<set>rsyslog reove klog and sysklod
08:52<set>dpkg -C dont give any errors :)
08:52<jm_>set: the bug is in klogd package which doesn't conflict with busybox-klogs, see above
08:52<dpkg>drwxr-xr-x root/root 7899 2004-3-18 10:08:39 ./usr/share/dont give any errors :)/pr0n/mitsumi_max.jpeg
08:52<jm_>-klogd even
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08:54<babilen>set: You might want to follow-up on that bug and provide additional information: "reportbug klogd" search for the bug and write follow-up with the pastebins you provided here (the English ones)
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08:55<set>babilen: I never do this? where are you reporting bugs?
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09:04<fanto666>Hello, I want to reinstall usbmount to get the /etc/udev/usbmount.rules that appears not to be there.
09:04<fanto666>I do "apt-get -o 'DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"' --reinstall install usbmount", but 1. the file is not here 2. it complaine "dpkg: need an action option"
09:06<babilen>set: i just told you .. run "reportbug klogd" and it will search for old bugs, select the one mentioned above (515696) and provide feedback. Alternatively send a mail to ...
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09:08<babilen>fanto666: It is: apt-get -o 'DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install usbmount
09:08<babilen>fanto666: argh, no! it is: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install usbmount
09:08<babilen>note the missing '...'
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09:11<set>ok thenks
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09:11<babilen>!tell set -about reportbug
09:11<babilen>!tell set -about report-bugs
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09:12<set>no I must fast chroot bind9:)
09:13<babilen>sure :)
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09:16<set>hmm a chroot binda from this manual...
09:17<set>i dont know is ok becouse one part of this manual is wrong ithink
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09:19<set>please a look
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09:33<debili>hay piotrina
09:33<set>why i dont have bind folder in /var/run?? is this correct?
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09:34<piotryna>anyone here speak polish ?? :)
09:34<debili>know you ?
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09:34<dpkg>methinks pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
09:34<set>I speak polish but will be speak english here :)
09:35<piotryna>thanx :)
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09:36<debili>any one is arbic here
09:36<devil>debili: this is a support channel
09:37<piotryna>good weeknd - bye ;)
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09:39<set>so? what about /var/run/bind? it should be there? in eatch manuals what i foud somthing was wrong... or wasnt some directories , or symlink can reated becouse "to meny simlinks in there" :/
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09:40<set>you known any correcly manuals to chrooting bind9 in on squeeze?
09:40<devil>its not present in unstable setup here
09:41<babilen>set: might be a newer tutorial. Also check
09:41<devil>i think its not there by default as long as you dont use bind
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09:41<set>thanks babilen :)
09:41<set>going read
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09:51<mekt>What is good for showing the complete Debian menu of applications for XFCE users? AWN hangs.
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09:57<cmot>Anybody happen to know by heart what debug level I need to get the warnings about non-indexed search queries in slapd?
09:58<cmot>perforamnce sucks...
09:58*cmot needs to check the bdb settings as well
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10:14<set>bye :)
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10:14<xyz>hello all
10:15<themill>cmot: #openldap on is more likely to be responsive on such questions.
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10:39<unixabg>kop and SynrG, I found my issue on nfs netboot I was looking for. The tech I had sent to configure the location had put the server in a 10/100mb port instead of a 1000mb port.
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10:57<fanto666>babilen: that, in fact, means, that the "" are to be dropped... since the shell drops them
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11:13<fralle_>i have the ip to a printer, how do i find it through cups?
11:14<fralle_>(there are lots of printers in office...)
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11:17<s_i_m>recent cups should be able to list available network printers and their models
11:18<s_i_m>if not - go to the printer and use its built in menu to print out a page with current settings, like ip and MAC, etc.
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11:23<fralle_>s_i_m, i have the ip :)
11:24<fralle_>but lpinfo -v doesnt tell which one it is?
11:24<fralle_>in the webb page i dont see the ip of the printers found either..
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11:38<vaio>im noob how i can use intel wimax?
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11:41<vaio>my laptop wimax but i dont know how to use it in lin and win ??
11:42<kop>vaio: If nobody answers try asking again later, or write to the debian-users mailing list.
11:42<dpkg>Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access (WiMAX) is a technology based on IEEE 802.16, providing last mile wireless broadband access in metropolitan areas. See <i2400m-usb>, <madwimax>. #linuxwimax and #wimax on
11:43<kop>vaio: What is intel wimax?
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11:45<dpkg>i2400m-usb is probably a driver for Intel <WiMAX> Connection 2400 USB devices, included in the Linux kernel since version 2.6.29. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-intelwimax package to provide.
11:45<vaio>wimax 6250
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11:45<kop>vaio: That's not usb per above, is it?
11:46<vaio>not usb
11:46<kop>vaio: What does "lspci -nn" say the pciid is? It looks like [xxxx:yyyy].
11:47<vaio>Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 [8086:0087] (rev 5f)
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11:48<kop>,pciid [8086:0087]
11:48<judd>[8086:0087] is 'Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also
11:48<vaio>i dont know how to use it
11:48<vaio>ty guys
11:48<kop>vaio: See
11:49<dpkg>iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide.
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11:54<viliny>i have problems with suspend, both in debian (now) and ubuntu (earlier). my desktop suspends like it should but when i want to bring it back to life i have to use the power button on the front (desktop) and the screens stay black. is this a known problem?
11:54<viliny>i can remember various machines of mine have had this same problem lately
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11:56<viliny>would welcome any ideas
11:56<s_i_m>viliny, I had a similar problem until I downgraded the kernel to 2.6.32-29
11:57<viliny>s_i_m, yeah, seems this started happening on newer kernels
11:57<viliny>this laptop im using right now which uses ubuntu doesn't suffer from the same problem however
11:58<viliny>seems the problem is my desktop and debian/ubuntu
11:58<viliny>asus p6t mobo with 470 gtx nvidia and i7 950 cpu
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12:31<tuhin>i want to make my laptop GPU run cool
12:31<tuhin>any idea/ tips?
12:32<tuhin>Graphics: Card ATI M56GL [Mobility FireGL V5200] X.Org 1.9.0 Res: 1400x1050@60.0hz, 1400x1050@60.0hz
12:32<tuhin> GLX Renderer Mesa DRI R300 (RV530 71C4) 20090101 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL DRI2 GLX Version 1.5 Mesa 7.9-devel
12:32<tuhin>its based on X1700 Radeon
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12:40<amphi>tuhin: you might be able to undervolt it, ISTR seeing something about that on the tubes the other day
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12:42<retrospectacus>I seem to recall/remember
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12:45<SynrG>maybe phoronix would be a source of info about that?
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12:48<scisteffan>is there an iceweasel IRC room?
12:49<retrospectacus>doubt it. just pretend this is it
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12:50<Ele>yo nada
12:50<retrospectacus>Ele: English only, and no chatting
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12:50<retrospectacus>hi. Do you have a debian support question?
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12:51<retrospectacus>then please be quiet
12:51<retrospectacus>then you will be kicked
12:52<Ele>he's of she's?
12:53<retrospectacus>try /quit
12:54<s_i_m>Ele, this is a support channel, not a random chat
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12:54<babilen>!es-social Ele
12:54<dpkg>Ele: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:56<retrospectacus>Ele: puedes leer?
12:56<Ele>por que?
12:56<retrospectacus>¿qué dpkg decir?
12:57<Ele>no te entiendo
12:58<retrospectacus>tal vez su cerebro no está trabajando hoy
12:58<Ele>por que lo dices?
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12:59<Ele>por que lo dices?
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12:59<retrospectacus>vamos a intentar una vez más...
12:59<retrospectacus>!es-social Ele
12:59<dpkg>Ele: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:00<Ele>no necesito ayuda!
13:01<Ele>tu sabes cuantos años tengo?
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13:02<retrospectacus>No me importa. Usted no puede hablar español aquí. Es necesario dejar o si se va a patadas. Lea de nuevo lo que dijo dpkg.
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13:04<tuhin>s_i_m: u suggested me laptop mode tools sometime ago, it disabled acpi when i installed it
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13:05<tuhin>now laptop can suspend or hybernate
13:05<tuhin>can= can't
13:06<s_i_m>tuhin, well, here it can. But I do not have acpi-support installed, I have my own scripts
13:06<tuhin>what ur scripts sets?
13:07<s_i_m>they react to acpi events
13:07<tuhin>it lets u suspend and hybernate?
13:08<tuhin>then why my laptop cant after laptop mode tools is installed?
13:08<s_i_m>tuhin, how would I know?
13:09<tuhin>how do i reenable acpi ?
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13:09<s_i_m>tuhin, I guess it was not disabled, you simply misunderstood something
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13:11<tuhin>when i installed that tool in synaptic it told me acpi and pm-utils or something will be disabled or something
13:12<s_i_m>tuhin, then uninstall laptop-mode-tools and install back what you had previously.
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13:14<KALRONG>hi everybody
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13:16<retrospectacus>KALRONG: hi
13:16<KALRONG>i was wondering if somebody can help me, i have a little problem with my brand new debian squeeze installation, when it starts to load and the console should appear is like the computer freeze, the screen goes black and i cant do anything, the only think that appears to work is the blog num and just coz when i press it the light goes up, any help please? is already the second time i installed squeeze and im getting desperate
13:17<retrospectacus>blog num?
13:17<retrospectacus>numlock key?
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13:17<s_i_m>same guess
13:18<KALRONG>yep, sorry, im spanish and it appears as bloq num, but yes is the num lock i just checked in my uk keyboard just in case
13:18<s_i_m>KALRONG, which video card do you have?
13:19<KALRONG>nvidia 9600gt
13:19<s_i_m>i see
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13:19<s_i_m>the reason maybe in the nouveau
13:19<retrospectacus>KALRONG: what kind of monitor have you plugged in? What resolution can it support? perhaps the video card is driving too fast
13:19<KALRONG>i already read about it, the problem is that i cant do anything without getting to a console
13:20<retrospectacus>s/fast/big/ :\
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13:20<KALRONG>[retrospectacus] is a acer 24.6 inch and it supports 1920x1080 without problems
13:20<Volley>... i finally found out why my xorg didn't work ( no mouse, no keyboard ): udev was broken. somehow when you install a fresh wheezy you get a broken udev. at least when using debootstrap.
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13:21<s_i_m>KALRONG, can you get to the grub boot menu at least?
13:21<KALRONG>yep, that works without problem
13:22<s_i_m>KALRONG, then have you tried booting in the single user mode?
13:22<KALRONG>the problem comes after that, it starts loading, you see the lines of the processes but then the screen goes black, in normal and recovery mode
13:22<s_i_m>okay, so single user loads that module too
13:23<retrospectacus>is sshd installed by chance?
13:23<KALRONG>im seing now in the grub that it says "insmod ext2" and the partition is an ext4 i dont know if that could be important
13:23<KALRONG>plain installation just the basic system
13:24<s_i_m>then I would recommend looking for a bootable rescue CD with an older linux kernel
13:25<s_i_m>(that does not have the nouveau module)
13:25<retrospectacus>and then what
13:26<KALRONG>the strange thing was that before i was using debian etch and i upgrade to squeeze and it "worked", i think the only difference was the kernel then i was using the x86 version i think and now im using the amd64
13:26<s_i_m>then blacklist the module
13:26<s_i_m>i have it blacklisted here, btw
13:26<s_i_m>for a similar problem
13:26<retrospectacus>ah, will is use nv then?
13:26<babilen>Volley: ah, which udev version is that?
13:26<s_i_m>retrospectacus, in X, yes
13:27<KALRONG>it will use X without having any X installed?
13:27<babilen>Volley: might be #692995
13:27<s_i_m>KALRONG, no =)
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13:27<babilen>Volley: err, #620995
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13:27<babilen>Volley: Do you have a /run directory?
13:28<sney>hi wayne
13:28<wayne>i have a problem with my printer
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13:28<retrospectacus>printer!! /me runs away
13:28<wayne>i do not get it working
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13:28<KALRONG>[s_i_m] then how it could be a X problem when i dont have X?
13:28<Volley>babilen: wheezy, that would be udev 167-1 ... when i first hit the bug i didn't find a bug report, but maybe i did search wrong ( searched for xorg problems ) - and yes, i had a /run dir which also seems to be part of the issue
13:28<sney>wayne: what kind of printer and how is it connected?
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13:29<babilen>!tell Volley about udev 620995
13:29<wayne>it is connected via usb and it is a dx5050 epson
13:29<babilen>Volley: I ran into that issue some minutes after udev was uploaded. The version in sid is fixed though.
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13:30<s_i_m>KALRONG, the problem you see is not related with X. It is a problem of the kernel nouveau module, that is loaded on the boot time when the kernel initializes the framebuffer
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13:31<wayne>i have install cups and the linux package but when i try printing theres an error
13:31<Volley>babilen: hmm. yesterday using the sid version didn't help ... but today purging udev, removing /run and reinstalling it did help
13:31<KALRONG>so the solution is to put in the nouveau module in the blacklist then?
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13:31<s_i_m>KALRONG, yes
13:32<KALRONG>ok im gonna download a live and see how it goes then, because with the netinst cd you cant right?
13:32<sney>wayne: what linux package?
13:32<babilen>Volley: Take a look at the changelog (essentially: /run is only used if tmpfs) -- Guess we have to wait for the new (promised) version of initscripts. But debian-devel is still quite busy with the details of the /run implementation.
13:32<wayne>the amd x64
13:32<sney>wayne: from where? please be specific.
13:32<wayne>of avasys
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13:33<Volley>babilen: i see.... stupid question: FHS doesn't mention /run ... what is it and why do we need it? :)
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13:33<sney>wayne we can't help you if you don't say exactly what you did
13:33<s_i_m>KALRONG, practically any bootable linux _without_ nouveau will go/
13:34<daemonkeeper> /run is to new to be mentioned in the RHS
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13:35<wayne>i installed the dx5000 driver from here
13:35<daemonkeeper>Its purpose is to provide a location for temporary (volatile) files which may be required before certail file systems and devices beceome available
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13:37<wayne>mine is the dx5050 but there is no one
13:38<wayne>sney are you now marked when i write your name in front
13:38<Volley>daemonkeeper: hmmok ... ugly, but after reading that it actually makes sense.
13:39<wayne>or what was t do
13:39<KALRONG>[s_i_m] i was wondering, if i use and old live, will it recognize the ext4 partitions?
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13:39<sney>wayne: yes I just have other things going on, please wait a minute (or maybe someone else can help too)
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13:40<s_i_m>KALRONG, that may bring some problems
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13:41<KALRONG>so, i need to find a live without nouveau but that could use ext4
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13:42<KALRONG>[s_i_m] well, also i can do it from windows accessing the partition and just copy a blacklist file or not? is the first time i deal with ext4 so im not sure
13:43<babilen>KALRONG: I would try booting with the nouveau.modeset=0 kernel boot parameter ... (not sure, haven't read the backlog)
13:43<s_i_m>KALRONG, try adding this to the kernel cmdline rdblacklist=nouveau
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13:43<babilen>KALRONG: Or blacklist nouveau entirely as suggested by s_i_m
13:44<KALRONG>ok, im gonna try both, babilen is just "nouveau.modeset=0" or also the kernel boot parameter line?
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13:44<babilen>KALRONG: that is in addition to the normal kernel boot parameter line
13:44<babilen>KALRONG: in grub "e" to edit it
13:44<s_i_m>KALRONG, blacklisting is more certain
13:44<KALRONG>ok, i never played around with grub so im not very sure and grub 2 is a total extranger for me
13:45<KALRONG>so where do i add the rdblacklist=nouveau? after the "ro quiet"?
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13:45<babilen>KALRONG: I would suggest to install the nvidia driver then .. did you cover that already?
13:45<babilen>KALRONG: yes, exactly
13:47<KALRONG>the problem with the nvidia driver is that i dont have any kind of access to the system
13:47<babilen>I understand that, but once that problem is out of the way you can isntall it.
13:48<KALRONG>yeah, i was already thinking about it :)
13:49<KALRONG>the rdblacklist didnt work let me try with the modeset one
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13:49<babilen>hmm, it should have :-\
13:50<KALRONG>it worked with the modeset
13:50<KALRONG>i have a console now
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13:51<KALRONG>so now what i do to prevent this? nouveau to the blacklist?
13:51<s_i_m>babilen, probably, even if a module is blocked at the initrd stage, it gets still loaded later?
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13:51<sney>actually, if you install the nvidia drivers the debian way, it'll blacklist nouveau automatically
13:52<babilen>sney: yes, that is the next step :)
13:52<KALRONG>[sney] what you mean by debian way? using apt?
13:52<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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13:54<sney>babilen: sorry, didn't mean to steal your thunder.
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13:54<sney>wayne: I've never seen this avasys thing before, but if you installed it correctly maybe you should ask #cups on for further support
13:55<babilen>sney, KALRONG: It is OK. I'll get me a cup of tea and will be back in a second :)
13:55<KALRONG>ok :O)
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14:02<a3Deb>Can you speak American?
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14:02<Gathond>a3Deb: no, sorry we only do english:)
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14:02<babilen>KALRONG: ok ... have you already established which driver version you need?
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14:03<KALRONG>yeah, im installing the driver using the guide you showed me
14:03<a3Deb>We Americans invented the computer so you better be greatful
14:03<babilen>KALRONG: the "nvidia dkms" one?
14:03<babilen>a3Deb: bollocks -- and please stay on topic in here. this is a support channel.
14:03<Gathond>a3Deb: actually I think the ground work was alan turing and company
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14:04<KALRONG>well, im following the steps in the guide, i already did the m-a steps and now im in the step 3 that is running the command "apt-get install nvidia-glx${version}"
14:04<babilen>KALRONG: Ah! I wouldn't use the m-a method, but the dkms one. Too late I guess :-\
14:04<a3Deb>Well British and American is the same thing
14:05<KALRONG>i used that method because im already familiar with the m-a
14:05<KALRONG>well now i have errors ...
14:05<a3Deb>A lot of Americans are British
14:05<babilen>KALRONG: ok, it is not a problem. The dkms method just makes sure that the module is recompiled automatically when a new kernel is installed
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14:06<babilen>a3Deb: Please, take it to #moocows or #debian-offtopic
14:06<babilen>KALRONG: errors? (/me hides)
14:06<a3Deb>haha i've been banned from both XD
14:06<MrFrood>a3Deb: British and American is not the same thing
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14:07<KALRONG>it shows a list of modules and says "e:sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1)"
14:07<MrFrood>and the sooner openoffice/libreoffice realise this and bring out a British English Thesaurus the better
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14:08<KALRONG>i can give you the list of modules that says that have error at processing them
14:08<cyrusnk>hi guys! 2 days and no wireless connection. someone please help me. i am at the point in wicd where i get the bad password and everything seems fine. can someone help me to set it up. please!
14:08<retrospectacus>KALRONG: pastebin the whole thing (command and output)
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14:09<KALRONG>it will be quite difficult im using a different computer for the irc and actually is in spanish
14:09<KALRONG>i can more or less translate it for you
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14:09<retrospectacus>!localized errors
14:09<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
14:10<cyrusnk>it says that i am connected to the wireless network but i can't get on the internet
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14:10<a3Deb>Americans speak Spanish
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14:10<cyrusnk>very anoying :(
14:10<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: can you ping your router
14:10<jhutchins_lt2>a3Deb: Especially the ones in South America.
14:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 495] by debhelper
14:11<cyrusnk>jhutchins, network is unreachable
14:11<KALRONG>retroespectacus thanks for the command
14:11<KALRONG>now the error is different
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14:12<a3Deb>Cyrusing, get your tiny dick and stick it in the reset hole until the router's lights restart
14:12<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, unreachable
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14:12<KALRONG>and if i run it again it says that it doesnt have any error ....
14:12<KALRONG>i think i messed up something
14:12<cyrusnk>a3Deb, done that
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14:13<Osiris_X>has anyone had success migrating from sysvinit to systemd in Debian?
14:13<a3Deb>Ok, well this sucks
14:13<a3Deb>Phone call to ISP?
14:14<cyrusnk>no success....they told me the same dick trick:)
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14:14<a3Deb>God damn it, I'm trying to be helpful and get banned at the same time
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14:14<a3Deb>It's not working
14:15<alecsandr>ubuntu 10.10 tote - Обнаружена ошибка в дополнительной библиотеке GStreamer при просмотре YOUTUBE
14:15<babilen>a3Deb: Keep calm! Stay on-topic. Be helpful. Don't act childish or swear. Thank you.
14:15<a3Deb>!ops a3deb
14:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: a3deb complains about: a3deb
14:15<a3Deb>!ops a3deb ban :)
14:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: a3deb complains about: a3deb ban :)
14:15<KALRONG>[babilen] im stuck
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14:16<KALRONG>no errors appear now, it just says that the nvidia-glx is already in the newest version
14:16<babilen>alecsandr: Try #ubuntu-ru on (/connect + /join #ubuntu-ru)
14:16<KALRONG>should i try to remove it and install it again?
14:16<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, if i do ifconfig i get an inet address with 10., it is ok?
14:16<babilen>KALRONG: I would remove all of that and try the dkms method ... :-\
14:17<KALRONG>how i do it? :( im good installing crap but removing it later ...
14:17<retrospectacus>cyrusnk, sure, assuming it also has 3 more octets
14:17<a3Deb>Which OS are you running cyrsunk?
14:17<babilen>KALRONG: "aptitude purge PKG1...PKGN" should do the trick. (for all installed package + the one installed (semi-) manually
14:18<radarwork>in order to simplify things like mounting drives, can i have some function call or easy way to call the long syntax?
14:18<babilen>cyrusnk: that address is ok
14:18-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
14:18-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by dondelelcaro
14:18-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
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14:18<retrospectacus>a3Deb: sucka. No ban for you
14:19<retrospectacus>just silence
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14:19<s_i_m>retrospectacus, you are a bit mistaken :)
14:20<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: 10.x.x.x is fine but it is not usually given by a stock router - perhaps it was set manually. You could run: dhclient wlan0
14:20<retrospectacus>oh well, it's not the first time
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14:22<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, done it, now what should i check?
14:22<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: now what's your IP?
14:23<KALRONG>[babilen] i did a remove, then a purge and then install it again and restart, now it goes straight to the console without problem, im gonna try to do the xconf file, should i do it manually or using the nvidia-xconfig?
14:23<babilen>KALRONG: No, neither
14:23<KALRONG>install kde-core?
14:23<babilen>KALRONG: no!
14:24<KALRONG>ok lol, then i dont know
14:24<babilen>KALRONG: Run " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
14:24<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, now i don't get any inet addr
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14:24<babilen>KALRONG: That is *one* command :)
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14:24<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: so dhclient fails
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14:25<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, i get the IP with ifconfig, it is the inet address right?
14:26<cyrusnk>i get a inet6 addr and it's a MAC type address
14:26<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, only an inet6 addr after dhclient
14:27<retrospectacus>ignore that, it is indeed autogenerated from your MAC
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14:27<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: sounds like you are not associated to the wireless
14:28<cyrusnk>in the applet of network-manager i can see the wireless network
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14:28<retrospectacus>that's good, and if you click it?
14:28<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, i click on it and it says that i am connected to the wireless network
14:28<retrospectacus>and then ifconfig says 10.x.x.x?
14:28<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, yes
14:29<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, and the applet is greyed out
14:29<cyrusnk>i have also wicd installed
14:29<KALRONG>[babilen] it was without the last ", it was promping an > and doing anything else, i did it and rebooted, whats the next step?
14:30<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: what's in /etc/network/interfaces ?
14:30<retrospectacus>pastebin please
14:30<s_i_m>cyrusnk, you have network-manager and wicd together?
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14:30<babilen>KALRONG: Install xorg and a window manager/desktop environment of your choice maybe?
14:30<babilen>KALRONG: So it is working now without the nouveau modeset kernel boot param?
14:31<KALRONG>[babilen] yes actually it already worked before doing that step. so "apte-get install xrog kde-core" for example?
14:31<cyrusnk>s_i_m, yes, i removed the network-manager as i read on the internet and i get the bad password problem
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14:32<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, i can't go to pastebin but i only have the auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
14:32<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, only that
14:32<babilen>!tell KALRONG -about install x
14:32<babilen>!tell KALRONG -about install kde
14:33<retrospectacus>so you get IP 10.x.x.x - what says "route -n" for the "" network?
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14:33<babilen>KALRONG: essentially: aptitude install xorg kde-plasma-desktop
14:34<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, U 2 0 0 wlan0
14:34<babilen>KALRONG: (or a larger metapackage if you like)
14:34<KALRONG>ok is running
14:34<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: is that the only line?
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14:35<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: your DHCP server is not providing a default gateway
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14:35<KALRONG>[babilen] one silly question, aptitude install and apt-get install is the same?
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14:35<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, i'm on a laptop right now and i have wireless from the router
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14:35<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: yes
14:35<babilen>KALRONG: yes, I personally prefer aptitude though
14:35<tuhin>how much space for / will be adequate for years (without home)?
14:36<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: but your system does not know where to send traffic
14:36<sney>KALRONG: not exactly the same but they both work. aptitude is generally smarter about dependencies but apt-get et al are generally faster, especially on older systems.
14:36<KALRONG>but they are different programs or different ways to call the same program like m-a and module-assistant?
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14:36<retrospectacus>cyrusnk: what is the IP of your router
14:37<retrospectacus>can you ping that?
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14:37<retrospectacus>then it is not your router
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14:38<tuhin>how much space for / will be adequate for years (without home)? for debian hdd install
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14:38<retrospectacus>tuhin: 10TB would be adequate
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14:38<babilen>KALRONG: They are different programs and aptitude has much more advanced search patterns. But they rely on the same libraries to deal with the package library.
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14:38<retrospectacus>tuhin: it depends what you want to put there
14:39<tuhin>ok tell me what size is u all have for /
14:39<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
14:39<KALRONG>[babilen] i see
14:39<tuhin>i will install abt evthing
14:39<retrospectacus>mine is 50G
14:39<retrospectacus>13G used
14:40<KALRONG>i have 160 just in case lol
14:40<retrospectacus>after 5 years of installing everything I need for work
14:40<tuhin>13gb = root without home/data ?
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14:40<s_i_m>6.6G here
14:40<tuhin>evbody tell their root size pls
14:40<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, i have this laptop wireless and i can ping and enter in the router setup page and i have a desktop with the wireless problem. i am sure that is my router
14:40<KALRONG>now i think that im wasting space
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14:40<ompaul> 5.8G /boot
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14:41<sney>54G here
14:41<ompaul>486G / and more for my data
14:41<tuhin>ompaul: are u serious?
14:41<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you can't ping because your system has no route for packets sent to
14:41<KALRONG>ok, now lets ask how many space people have with the total of the hard drives, i have 4.7tb
14:41<tuhin>5.8GB for BOOT ???
14:42<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, so there is some settings on the router?
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14:42<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: it only knows where packets to 10.42.43.x should go
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14:42<tuhin>ok so if i set my root partition to 15 GB i wouldnt need to retouch it for years right?
14:42<ompaul>tuhin: yes and I have only got that disk working about four months and it has about 255 megs in kernels in there
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14:43<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: settings on the DHCP server (possibly the router) - it needs to supply its DHCP clients with a DEFAULT GATEWAY
14:43<ompaul>tuhin: that depends on what you do with the computer and what your interests are
14:43<retrospectacus>or possibly your system is configured to ignore the default gateway provided, somehow
14:43<s_i_m>tuhin, if you worry about that use LVM.
14:43<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, mine is set to mean the default gateway
14:43<KALRONG>[retrospectacus] and setting the network manually?
14:43<tuhin>ompaul: why so many kernels?
14:43<retrospectacus>yes that means it is not routed
14:44<ompaul>tuhin: because as they say in the all the best places, because I can
14:44<tuhin>whats lvm advantages?
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14:44<ompaul>tuhin: you don't have to think about partition sizes you can change at will
14:44<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, and should i set it to or
14:44<KALRONG>[ompaul] whats the size of your main hd?
14:44<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: what? no...
14:45<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you need to add a default route
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14:45<retrospectacus>but first you need to figure out what that route should be
14:45<ompaul>KALRONG: on this box 1tb on the box beside it (my backup box 1tb) on my secondary machine ~750 and I can run them all from the aspire one with with it's pretty flash drive :)
14:45<jhutchins>lvm is also one more thing to go wrong. We get somebody with an lvm problem here at least once a week. I prefer one partion + swap and good backups.
14:45<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: that is, what is the IP of the machine first in line between your debian laptop and the Internet?
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14:46<ompaul>tuhin: see jhutchins comment, it is roughly how I am configured and why I don't use LVM
14:46<KALRONG>[ompaul] 1tb for system? lol, im using a 640 for having w7 and debian and then another 5 hd for data
14:46<tuhin>ompaul: what do u mena u run all those box from aspire NB using flash?
14:46<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: this info should be provided by the DHCP server. There's no good way for you to figure this out yourself, other than just knowing it already
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14:47<tuhin>i will install multiple linux distro in a 250GB hdd
14:47<ompaul>tuhin: take your time typing, you might make more sense, if I understand your question, I can remotely control them on the lan using another box with 16G space total
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14:47<tuhin>so have to plan ahead
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14:48<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, this laptop that i'm on right now is wireless with, subnet and gateway
14:48<ompaul>tuhin: that would be silly, how will you learn one of them and become very familiar with it, then move on - leave 50 as the playzone and when you are ready and comfortable with Debian go play with LFS and things like that
14:48<tuhin>ompaul: all the box use debian or some other linux distro too?
14:48<ompaul>tuhin: debian debian sid debian stable or aptosid
14:48<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: that sounds more normal... and it is connected to the same wireless, for sure?
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14:49<ompaul>aptosid is similar to debian very similar but it ain't debian
14:49<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, yes
14:49<tuhin>i m at home with mint10 , now decided to try debian
14:49<tuhin>also will try archbang and frugalware later
14:49<jhutchins>tuhin: Using the same /home for multiple versions/distros is asking for trouble. All the hidden .files for GUI configuration will get you.
14:49<babilen>KALRONG: how is your install coming along?
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14:50<KALRONG>[retrospectacus] did he try to renew the ip? it happened with my router that when connect the dhcp took to long to send the info so i needed to do it manually
14:50<tuhin>will use different home partition for different linux
14:50<KALRONG>[babilen] 55% downloading the kde, xorg installed without problems
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14:50<tuhin>so 15 GB for debian Root is fine
14:50<babilen>KALRONG: w00t!
14:50<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, on the router i have a routing table where 1st entry is, and and 1 and WAN(internet)
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14:50<babilen>tuhin: certainly
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14:50<babilen>tuhin: unless you want to put some huge databases in /var for example
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14:51<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, the 3nd line is with with and 1 and LAN&wireless
14:51<tuhin>nah not database
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14:51<KALRONG>[babilen] im not gonna jump before having it running just in case lol, i missed espending days configuring debian just to do basic things
14:52<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, and the 3rd line is and and and 1 and WAN(internet)
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14:52<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, what should i do now? it is a roouter setting or a computer setting?
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14:53<babilen>KALRONG: I was just curious how you get along :)
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14:53<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: Can't tell. Something's fucked
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14:54<tuhin>ompaul: which remote desktop soft u use ?
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14:54<KALRONG>[babilen] i was joking, im very thankful for your help, its quite funny how many years i used to only enter on spanish channels to ask for help and i was like asking to a wall and the first time i enter in an english channel (actually because now i can more or less speak english lol) im surprised to see how all the people try to help the noobs like me :)
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14:55<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: this is my routing table. the last line says "traffic to goes through eth0 to" - you are missing a line like this
14:55<ompaul>tuhin: I don't but I do like xdmcp ... when the occasion calls for remote ... so I suggest ssh -X
14:55<babilen>KALRONG: I am happy that you enjoy your #debian experience :)
14:55<babilen>!beer KALRONG
14:55*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for KALRONG
14:56<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: err that is (all IPs)
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14:57<KALRONG>[babilen] i was saying the truth when i said that i missed spending days trying to configure debian, but then i didnt have anybody to ask so after 3 or 4 days i gave up, now i think im gonna say f*ck off to w7 im bored of bsod at least here i can see where the problem is and do something to fix it
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14:57<KALRONG>when will be the day that aptitude or apt have multidownloading?
14:58<tuhin>KALRONG: Win7 have lots of Bsod???
14:58<retrospectacus>KALRONG: many moons ago, assuming you have multiple servers in sources.list
14:58<Osiris_X>my /var/lib/dpkg/available contains lots of local packages that do not exist anymore - how do I remove them?
14:59<retrospectacus>KALRONG: (it won't do multiple downloads from the same server, but will work concurrently from multiple servers)
14:59<KALRONG>[tuhin] is quite difficult to find a day i dont have one, is quite funny the most common one is the one i get when playing the bad companys 2, and its because of a problem the game have with the sound driver, the only solution is to disable the sound in the bios lol
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14:59<KALRONG>[retrospectacus] so if i put other server and run an installation it will download form several places?
14:59<stderr>Osiris_X: aptitude clean or autoclean?
15:00<retrospectacus>KALRONG: yes, probably
15:00<Osiris_X>stderr, I'll try that but I thought that was the same as the clean cache / obselete packages options in aptitude
15:00<KALRONG>well i will try next, it just finished downloading but thanks for the info
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15:00<Osiris_X>and they didn't work
15:01<stderr>Osiris_X: autoclean - Erase old downloaded package files
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15:01<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you need to run something like: route add nm gw dev wlan0
15:01<KALRONG>[babilen] when it finish the installation i restart?
15:02<marty>do many people have trouble with using wheezy in testing phase. thinking of installing that to live on the wild side
15:02<sney>marty: it's wonky right now due to some udev and base-files issues
15:02<sney>but that'll probably go away in a couple weeks
15:03<sney>I plan to use it as well once it's more or less handled
15:03<marty>sney: i had that udev problem with squeeze
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15:03<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, what if i give a static IP to the wireless connection?
15:03<marty>sney: still booted the os
15:03<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, similar to the laptop that is allready wireless?
15:04<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: that may help but you still need to add a default route
15:04<sney>marty: it's because of a change in the FHS and not everything is caught up yet. once the initscripts update happens it'll be better. it's not the same udev problem as squeeze.
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15:05<jhutchins>marty: If you're prepared for regular breakage. I would recommend either dual-booting with stable or at the very least making a system backup every time before you upgrade.
15:05<KALRONG>[babilen] it finished, not problems (miracle lol) what now?
15:05<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: the command is actually: route add default gw wlan0
15:05<retrospectacus>with whatever your router's ip is there
15:05<jhutchins>marty: That way when you do get the package that breaks the system you can fall back to what was working.
15:05<marty>sney: oh right.
15:05<falcon>boa atrde
15:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:06<marty>jhutchins: so is it safe at the moment to load wheezy testing except for the udev problem
15:06<marty>trying to get more involved in debian
15:06<babilen>KALRONG: Did you install a login manager like kdm? (ls -l /etc/init.d/*dm)
15:07<KALRONG>[babilen] yes, it was automatically installed with the kde
15:07<jhutchins>marty: Definitely not "safe".
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15:07<marty>jhutchins: will wait until it is safe then and install it
15:07<babilen>KALRONG: "service kdm start" seems to be what you want :)
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15:08<jhutchins>marty: (Well, it's not going to damage your hardware, but it could waste your time.)
15:08<KALRONG>[babilen] w00t!
15:09<babilen>KALRONG: w00t! enjoy :)
15:09<marty>jhutchins: all part of learning
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15:10<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, i get an error SIOCADDRT: No such process
15:10<marty>i installed gnome 3 on my squezze and messed up my package dependencies so learning how to fix that
15:10<marty>gnome 3 did not even work aswell
15:11<Osiris_X>marty, what were your issues with gnome 3
15:11<marty>Osiris: just did not start when i rebooted my machine. the upgrade looked like it went well
15:12<marty>Orisis_X: did not find the reason why
15:12<marty>had to kde then
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15:12<KALRONG>bablien now i only need to get used to the kde 4 is quite different lol
15:12<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: it means that IP you put is not reachable. It's probably because your other local subnet route does not match.
15:12<Osiris_X>marty, no error messages in Xorg.0.log?
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15:12<marty>Orisis_X: did not check that
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15:13<babilen>KALRONG: Haha! Yeah ... btw, little tip: Try "bab<TAB>" in here
15:13<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you are trying to put the machine on the 192 network? you need to replace the 10 route in the routing table
15:13<marty>Orisis_X: should of really checked it to see what the problem was.would o helped the gnome team out
15:13<MethedMan>anyone know which is the best way to run a linux terminal inside of emacs
15:14<Osiris_X>marty, sure, no way for them to diagnose the problem otherwise
15:14<Lethalman>MethedMan, M-x shell
15:14<marty>Orisis_X: did not want to bother them. might of done some thing wrong but followed the steps
15:14<marty>could try it again
15:14<marty>to see what is in the log
15:14<babilen>KALRONG: Just to make sure everything is fine with your nvidia installation. Could you paste the complete output of "glxinfo" please?
15:15<Osiris_X>marty, did you at least get gdm3 login screen?
15:15<marty>Orisis_X: no did not get that
15:15<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, i don't understand what i need to do
15:15<KALRONG>[babilen] let me install an irc client and connect from the debian computer so i can copy it
15:15<Osiris_X>marty, then it probably was not a gnome 3 issue perse
15:15<babilen>KALRONG: sure, take your time (and install irssi)
15:15<marty>Orisis_X: would let me login from the terminal
15:16<KALRONG>[babilen] i was about to ask you wich one i should install :P
15:16<Osiris_X>marty, ok then what did you do to start the X server?
15:16<Osiris_X>marty, something like sudo invoke-rc.d gdm3 start ?
15:17<babilen>KALRONG: irssi is a powerful console irc client ... not sure if you like it.
15:17<marty>Orisis_x: i removed gnome now and installed KDE4 so i can not try it
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15:17<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you need to remove the route like: route del
15:17<marty>think i partition my hard drive to have debian testing and have another stable
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15:17<KALRONG>[babilen] it doesnt have gui?
15:18<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: the, route add nm dev wlan0
15:18<babilen>KALRONG: no
15:18<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: then, route add default ...
15:18<Flakk>Hi people I am trying to build an apache server. (debian lenny). well I installed apache2, and then i turn to the file httpd.conf - but it is empty! - any help?
15:18<KALRONG>[babilen] im not sure if im gonna be able to use it lol
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15:19<babilen>KALRONG: It has a TUI (text user interface) -- You might like XChat or Konversation, but I know near to nothing about GUI irc clients.
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15:19<KALRONG>[babilen] how do you move between tabs?
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15:19<adrian_kx>what version of gnome is available in testing now?
15:19<adrian_kx>hope not gnome3 couse i hate it
15:20<sney>judd: versions gnome-session
15:20<judd>Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.30.2-4; experimental: 2.91.93-1
15:20<sney>adrian_kx: gnome3 has only just started the development cycle
15:20<babilen>KALRONG: Hmm, I completely forgot how to do that without any plugins (I use adv_windowlist) and it is as easy as ALT-# (# == number) -- You might be able to change it with "/win #"
15:20<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, route add doesn't says the usage with inet_route and when i change route with inet-route inside the command it says that inet_route command not found
15:20<adrian_kx>i`ll be safe for next years:)) away from gnome3:)
15:20<sney>so it won't be available in debian for some time yet
15:20<KALRONG>[babilen] i think im gonna go for a gui one lol
15:20<babilen>KALRONG: Just use a GUI one until you have the time to configure and learn it :)
15:21<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you may have to do some googling to get the correct syntax. It is "route" not inet whatever
15:21<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, i'll check man
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15:22<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: you removed the existing route OK?
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15:22<sney>KALRONG: I've always been a fan of xchat
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15:24<KALRONG>i just installed konversation to try it, i dont like it im gonna change to xchat
15:24<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, i put the lan cable and route give me this:
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15:27<KALRONG>ok i dunno why the konversation just lost the connection with the server when i tried to writte, purging and installing xchat :P
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15:28<cyrusnk_>retrospectacus, the routes should be in a file? if yes, where i can find it?
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15:29<KALRONG_XChat>can i writte now?
15:29<retrospectacus>cyrusnk_: nope you have to use the route command
15:29<KALRONG_XChat>ok, im gonna close the other one so i can use my nick here
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15:30<KALRONG>babilen, what did you want me to copy?
15:30<babilen>KALRONG: output of "glxinfo" ... and welcome :)
15:31<KALRONG>babilen, thanks :) im gonna reopen it because i opened it from the console because i couldnt find the shortcut lol :P
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15:32<KALRONG>babilen, it says that i cant find the order
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15:33<KALRONG>yep, i dunno what it means
15:33<KALRONG>how it was to translate the error to english?
15:33<babilen>KALRONG: What is the exact error message you get? "LANG=C glxinfo"
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15:34<babilen>KALRONG: I guess that glxinfo is not installed -- "aptitude install glxinfo"
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15:35<babilen>"aptitude install mesa-utils"
15:35<KALRONG>good guess lol
15:36<KALRONG>name of display: :0.0
15:36<KALRONG>display: :0 screen: 0
15:36<KALRONG>direct rendering: Yes
15:36<KALRONG>server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
15:36<KALRONG>server glx version string: 1.4
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15:36<KALRONG>ok never past to many lines at same time lol
15:37<KALRONG>display: :0 screen: 0
15:37<KALRONG>direct rendering: Yes
15:37<KALRONG>server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
15:37<KALRONG>server glx version string: 1.4
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15:37<sney>hey it's 13:37
15:37<KALRONG>21:37 here
15:37<retrospectacus>12:37 :(
15:37<babilen>yay, lEEt time! :) -- 20:37 here though
15:38<babilen>KALRONG: Please paste it to
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15:39<KALRONG>babilen, there you go
15:40<babilen>KALRONG: That looks as if Cthulhu himself blessed your graphics card. Anything else we can help you with?
15:40<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
15:40<babilen>retrospectacus: high five!
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15:41<retrospectacus>babilen: across the Atlanitc :)
15:41<KALRONG>babilen, i hope you have coffee and a lot of free time lol, but actually my second big problem is with the sound card
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15:42<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, give me a second and #d will work on that. :)
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15:42<KALRONG>babilen, ty
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15:44<KALRONG>babilen, im gonna have some dinner and i come back actually i also remenber that i need to play around with the hard drives lol :P
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15:44<babilen>KALRONG: But you have to eat Tapas in my and retrospectacus' name tonight and drink a nice wine from navarra. Extra points for finishing with a Crema Catalana or the wonderful Coconut Ice cream in the coconut :)
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15:56<KALRONG>babilen, if you ever come to galicia in spain i will be glad to invite you to some tapas and good wine, all home made, best of the best ;)
15:56<babilen>who summoned me?
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15:56<babilen>KALRONG: great .. I'll keep that in mind :)
15:56<KALRONG>babilen, the good for nothing me
15:57<babilen>KALRONG: ok, where were we? Ah, yes ... sound. What is the problem?
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15:58<KALRONG>babilen, well, i have the integrated sound card 5.1 blah blah blah, i have some drivers in the mother board cd but they that kind of MAKE and im not sure how to deal with them, and also the usb headset that i think debian already installed it at least in lenny i did
15:59<sney>KALRONG: most motherboard sound chipsets are already suppported, you don't need to install vendor crap
15:59<sney>!alsa checklist
15:59<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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16:00<babilen>ok ... let us start from the beginning. Do you have some speakers plugged into the sound card? And can you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i audio" "cat /proc/asound/cards" and "dpkg -l '*alsa*'|grep ^ii" to the pastebin please?
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16:01<babilen>KALRONG: following the alsa checklist is also a good idea :)
16:01<babilen>KALRONG: (If you have alsa installed already)
16:01<babilen>!install alsa
16:01<dpkg>"aptitude -r install alsa-utils". After package installation, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications on Lenny. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. To set the default sound card, ask me about <default alsa>.
16:01<KALRONG>babilen, it doesnt find the lscpi command lol
16:02<babilen>KALRONG: That command is in the pciutils package
16:02<babilen>KALRONG: "aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file search -x 'bin/lspci$'" + "aptitude install pciutils"
16:02<babilen>rickbol: Consider it done. Have a nice day!
16:02<KALRONG>babilen, 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:3a3e] thats all
16:03<babilen>,pciid 8086:3a3e
16:03<judd>[8086:3a3e] is '82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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16:03<babilen>KALRONG: Should work out of the box .. What about the rest? →
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16:03<KALRONG>babilen, that was the only line that appeared
16:04<babilen>KALRONG: I know -- I am speaking about the output of the other commands :)
16:04<babilen>KALRONG: I crafted that command so it only gives output for audio cards (the grep -i audio thingie)
16:06<KALRONG>how was the paste website?
16:06<KALRONG>nevermind i found it
16:06<KALRONG>babilen, thats the cat one
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16:07<KALRONG>babilen, and thats the dkpg one
16:07<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, you have some USB devices plugged in as well. I will assume from now on that we are talking about the integrated soundcard and that you have speakers/amplifier connected to it that are turned on and have a sufficient level of volume.
16:08<KALRONG>yeah i have the 5.1 plugged to the internal soundcard, the first usb are the headset and the second one is a skype phone
16:08<babilen>KALRONG: that looks wonderful -- do you have "audio" in the output of "groups" ? If yes: run "alsamixer" and unmute the channels ...
16:09<babilen>KALRONG: unmute with "m"
16:09<babilen>KALRONG: Basically follow the "alsa checklist" factoid dpkg mentioned earlier
16:10<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, do you have sound?
16:10<KALRONG>let me put a music cd to check
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16:11<KALRONG>well first i will need some kind of player lol
16:12<sney>vlc is pretty painless
16:12<babilen>hehe, try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" and vlc
16:12<sney>some people prefer mplayer also
16:12<babilen>the first should give you static noise and the latter is a good movie player that can be abused for other things as well. ;)
16:13<KALRONG>yep looks like i have sound now :) there is any way to swap between the integrated sound card and the headphone whenever i want?
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16:15<babilen>hmm, I guess that you can configure it in KDE somewhere. But I have never used KDE and can't tell you where. A lot of players let you pick which device to use though ... Others just use the default one (with index 0)
16:15<KALRONG>i have sound but the quality is a piece of crap :(
16:15<KALRONG>could be because of the sound levels?
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16:16<babilen>KALRONG: yeah, don't have them at 100%
16:16<babilen>KALRONG: leave them at 60% - 90% and raise the speaker volume
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16:18<KALRONG>80% thats better
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16:19<KALRONG>babilen, now the only thing i need to config are the harddrives in ntfs so i can access them from here
16:20<KALRONG>right now i cant change them to ext because i dont have enought free space to move the data but in the future im gonna change that but in the mean time i want to use them as they are
16:20<KALRONG>actually my mother board is an asus p5q deluxe and two of the sata ports use that crap of drive xpert so one of the hard drives is not recognized by debian :(
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16:22<babilen>ok, that are a distinct issues
16:23<babilen>KALRONG: You probably have a line in /etc/fstab for the ntfs drive. If so, remove it. You might also just want to paste the contents of that file and let us have a look.
16:23<KALRONG>i know, in lenny i used to have them with ntfs-3g but i dont remenber exactly what i need to change
16:23<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
16:23<babilen>KALRONG: I am not sure about the second issue you mention -- Is the SATA controller not supported in Linux yet?
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16:24<KALRONG>something like that, i researched a little bit and is quite a pain because to access that port in windows you also need to use the drive xpert tool so windows can see it or something like that but forget about it im moving a hard drive that i dont want to use in linux to that port so nevermind
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16:26<babilen>KALRONG: that sounds really weird -- I haven't used windows in like 10 years, but I would be *really* pissed if I would run into a situation like that. I don't believe that it can't be solved though. But lets do that another time.
16:27<KALRONG>babilen, no problem, and about the other hard drives they appear in the file manager but they are not mounted or anything else
16:27<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, the fstab looks ok. Install ntfs-3g and try to use it. Dolphin (that is the KDE file manager) should be able to automount the drive just fine
16:28<babilen>KALRONG: What happens if you click them? (Sorry, I really have no idea about KDE)
16:28<KALRONG>babilen, it appears an error let my writte it for you because it doesnt allow me to copy
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16:29<KALRONG>an error occurred while accesising 'KALRONG HDD5' the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount device /dev/sde2 for uid=1000
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16:31<KALRONG>babilen, that error appear on the dolphin
16:31<KALRONG>babilen, i think is because the dolphin is running without permissions
16:33<babilen>KALRONG: add yourself to the plugdev group if you are not already a member .. (check "groups" output and run "adduser YOUR_USERNAME plugdev" -- but you might have to change the owner of the filesystem as well.
16:33<KALRONG>im already on it
16:34<KALRONG>babilen, the way i was doing it on lenny was adding some lines to the fstab file if I remenber well
16:34<babilen>KALRONG: if you are a member of plugdev try : "mkdir /mnt/windows ; mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows"
16:34<babilen>KALRONG: (as root)
16:34<babilen>!user accessible ntfs
16:34<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
16:34<babilen>KALRONG: You might have guessed, but I have also never touched NTFS :)
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16:35<babilen>KALRONG: You can get the UUID (compare with the other entries in /etc/fstab) by running "blkid"
16:36<KALRONG>babilen, how can i see the hard drives i have?
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16:37<KALRONG>babilen, the mount command worked
16:37<babilen>KALRONG: but I had a bunch of people in here that don't needed the fstab entry ... I am guessing now, but you might try "chown YOURUSER:YOURUSER /mnt/windows" after you've mounted it as root (see above) -- run "umount /mnt/windows ; rmdir /mnt/windows" and try mounting in dolphin again
16:37<babilen>KALRONG: make sure you are a member of plugdev
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16:38<KALRONG>babilen, let me try that
16:39<babilen>KALRONG: (replace the /dev/sdXX with the UUID though)
16:39<KALRONG>babilen, with the chown didnt worked
16:39<babilen>KALRONG: I am really not sure how ntfs is supposed to work and if the fstab entries are needed, or if ntfs behaves like other filesystems
16:40<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, then put the entry into the fstab
16:40<KALRONG>babilen, wich entry?
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16:42<babilen>KALRONG: "UUID=THE_UUID /mnt/windows ntfs-3g rw,conv=auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0"
16:42<babilen>KALRONG: Get the UUID with the "blkid" command
16:43<babilen>That also assumes that your users UID and GID is 1000
16:43<KALRONG>lets try
16:43<babilen>don't forget the "mkdir /mnt/windows"
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16:44<KALRONG>i already created a folder for each hd
16:45<KALRONG>babilen, i already add that line to the fstab
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16:50<KALRONG>babilen, i put the line you wrotte with the uuid of the hd and also the folder i creatted specifically for that hd, dolphin still doesnt allow to access it
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16:51<babilen>KALRONG: regarding your drive xpert issue -- a bunch of posts claim that it should be as easy as setting "MAIN / Storage Configuration / Configure SATA as ..." to AHCI in the BIOS
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16:51<babilen>KALRONG: You can mount it as root and should be able to access it with your user. (mount /mnt/windows) -- It will be automatically mounted next boot
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16:52<KALRONG>babilen, im not sure if i tried that, im gonna enter the irc in the other computer so i can reboot the machine to test the changes and also the drive xpert thing
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16:55<KALRONG_Debian>dont ask me why the irc doesnt allow me to connect to the channel and disconnect me
16:56<KALRONG_Debian>babilen, btw it worked with mount /mnt/windows and i can access the hd from dolphin
16:57<babilen>!champagne KALRONG_Debian and babilen
16:57*dpkg puts on a black catsuit and showers KALRONG_Debian and babilen in the finest Cliquot champagne.
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16:58<KALRONG_Debian>babilen, lol, ok im gonna add the other 4 hd and then restart change to ahci and see what happens, and in the mean time try to make the irc on the laptop connect lol
16:58<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell KALRONG_Debian about lol
16:59<babilen>do that ... not sure how long I'm around tonight. Hope you enjoy your Debian system and enjoyed #debian so far. :) And yes: daemonkeeper is right about the "lol" -- "little old ladies" have nothing to do with what we are doing.
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17:00<KALRONG_Debian>ok, thanks for the info, i will keep it in mind heh
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17:00<KALRONG_Debian>babilen, thanks for everything if you are still here when i finish i will let you know about the result :)
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17:01<babilen>You are welcome. Yeah, I'll be around or idling for some time.
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17:03<KALRONG_Debian>babilen, the funny thing is that i have to hd with the same label but different id's hopefully could be the one i was missing
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17:04<KALRONG_Debian>babilen, forget it, is the windows partition
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17:10<nysec>I cannot create a >4GiB file on an mounted NTFS partition. I am using dd to mirror a disk into an image onto the filesystem, but it fails at 4GB. How do I fix this so I can mirror the disk image?
17:10<KALRONG>babilen, good news, the hd are being mounted automatically on the start :) all of the are working fine, i changed to ahci but the other hd still doesnt appear
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17:14<babilen>KALRONG: ok, change it back to what it was. That might need more investigation, but that has to wait. If you want it to work google yourself. :)
17:15<KALRONG>babilen, i will research a little bit about it, one last thing for today and i stop bothering you, how can i install the bloody flash player for konqueror? heh i thing is the only thing i always give up to do :P
17:15<nysec>Stop bothering with Adobe Flash.
17:17<ml|>KALRONG: /msg dpkg adobe flash
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17:18<KALRONG>ml|, thanks
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17:25<cthuluh>dpkg: tell me about self-tell
17:25<cthuluh>dpkg seems tired tonight
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17:25<daemonkeeper>You aren't "me"?
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17:26<sney>cthuluh: anyway it's /msg dpkg keyword
17:26<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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17:29<cthuluh>dpkg: tell sney -about moo
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17:30<b-seize> ;) :)
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17:33<__Alex_>May i ask? Is it OK to backport some Ubuntu programs into Debian?
17:34<sney>__Alex_: if you're actually backporting - building them from source - sure
17:34<sney>just don't install ubuntu .debs
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17:34<__Alex_>I did compile them
17:34<babilen>__Alex_: You might have to work on the dependencies (i.e. the debian/control file)
17:34<babilen>__Alex_: Which package are you backporting?
17:35<__Alex_>supertux and supertux-stable
17:35<__Alex_>and they work XD
17:35<babilen>,versions supertux
17:35<judd>Package supertux on i386 -- lenny: 0.1.3-1.2; squeeze: 0.1.3-1.2; sid: 0.1.3-1.2+b1; wheezy: 0.1.3-1.2+b1; experimental: 0.3.3-2
17:36<babilen>__Alex_: Why didn't you take a Debian package? Which version do you "need" ?
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17:36<__Alex_>Ubuntu has a Newer generation one, i wanted to try it out
17:36<__Alex_>it works
17:36<babilen>__Alex_: which version is that?
17:37<babilen>__Alex_: That version is in experimental fwiw
17:37<__Alex_>Never mind
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17:38<__Alex_>I just wanted to know if it is OK to do that.
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17:39<babilen>probably ... if you want to make sure that you don't have any ubuntuisms in your package, backport the one from experimental
17:39<rking>My "Left" key is doing some weird Compose Key behavior. When I press it, the system waits for me to type some number of keys then produces a unicode character. How do I find out what part of the OS is responsible for this?
17:39<babilen>rking: still not solved?
17:39<rking>babilen: Nope.
17:39<rking>The behavior appeared after I upgraded to testing
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17:42<KALRONG>any recomendation about wich client for msn messenger to use?
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17:42<babilen>rking: Well, testing is not in a very good state right now. short of determining the real problem, you could just use squeeze or fiddle with "xev" and "xmodmap" to work around it. It might also be some xorg setting (check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/default/keyboard and the settings of whatever desktop environment you are using)
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17:42<nysec>Is there a problem with writing files >4GB with the NTFS driver?
17:43<KALRONG>the amsn looked like the first version of the msn :( anything with a better gui?
17:43<babilen>rking: look for compose key settings
17:43<babilen>KALRONG: pidgin
17:43<KALRONG>ok, if babilon says then i will install that one :P
17:43<babilen>nono: excuse me?
17:43<rking>babilen: Yeah, xev shows "Multi_Key" for it.
17:44<sney>KALRONG: I'm still using amsn despite the horrible gui, it seems to support the protocol best
17:44<babilen>rking: Your keymap went the way of the dodo ...
17:44<KALRONG>babilen, i will do the same as i did with the irc client try one and if i dont like it go to the other one :)
17:44<babilen>rking: Sorry, but I had enough serious support in #d today. I would recommend to use stable or figure out why your keymap is fucked.
17:44<chino>pigdin is multiprotocol
17:45<babilen>KALRONG: hehe, but pidgin *is* a wonderful IM client.
17:45<KALRONG>i think i already used it in the past once i see the gui i will know
17:45<chino>irc client.. skype.. msn... icq..
17:45<rking>babilen: I think I can get it now. Just knowing that it's not gnome or some other freaky thing, I can get it fixed I think.
17:46<rking>babilen: Even if I have to `grep -ri multi_key /`
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17:46<babilen>KALRONG: empathy is not a bad choice, but last time I tried it (~6-12 months ago) I still found it a bit lacking. And it is missing the most important feature: thinpad blinkenlights support
17:46<chino>ow god..
17:46<FabienWang>lol nono
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17:47<KALRONG>babilen i will give it a chance if i dont like i will go back to amsn
17:47<KALRONG>finally skype for debian64 :D
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17:47<babilen>KALRONG: yup
17:47<babilen>KALRONG: oh, really?
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17:47<KALRONG>just installed it and looks like is working fine
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17:48<KALRONG>first time i open it and already crashed :P
17:48<chino>im using
17:48<KALRONG>looks like it was only the first time
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17:49<chino>any problems in sound
17:49<chino>mic sounds
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17:50<KALRONG>i have around 10 devices on the settings for the sound is time to guess wich one is the headset
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17:51<chino>pulseaudio is not working
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17:52<WilliamWC>olé pessoal
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17:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:53<WilliamWC>hey guys
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17:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:53<vlam>What would be the repercussions of installing Debian on one computer then putting the hard drive in another in terms of networking?
17:54<vlam>I know the new nic would be eth1 but is there anything else that would happen?
17:54<ompaul>vlam: depends on the network cards, I've done it and been lucky, some machines need firmware
17:55<vlam>The new nic works but frequently loses connection to the network and i have to reboot the machine to get it back
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17:55<KALRONG>guessed right at the first try :D
17:55<ompaul>chino: I am not a pci card but if you address me as ompaul I'll reply ;-)
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17:56<ompaul>lspci ;-)
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17:56<babilen>!tell vlam -about 70
17:56<chino>is network cards?
17:56<babilen>vlam: If you have a problem with the eth1/eth0/.. naming
17:56<vlam>I tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart and the machine did not ocme back online
17:57<ompaul>vlam: how many network cards does the box have?
17:57<vlam>I removed the old nic and renamed the new one to eth0
17:57<ompaul>dhcp on the lan?
17:58<babilen>vlam: Might be a firmware issue or missing support for the NIC in question. It could also be that the routing is different, that you can't rely on having a DHCP server around, that rats ate the cables, and a bunch of other things.
17:58<chino>ipconfig exit
17:58*ompaul hands babilen the hand cleaner and gloves
17:58*ompaul hands babilen some disinfectant
17:58<KALRONG>chino, are you using alsamixer for the skype?
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17:59<chino>but problem continues
17:59<vlam>Should I just get my hands on a USB CD drive and install debian like that? The machine does not have a drive nor can boot from flash drives
17:59<babilen>vlam: netboot?
18:00<vlam>I couldn't figure out how to use that feature
18:00<vlam>Nothing on Google except people that get that message when they can't boot from anything
18:00<cirvin>i have a realtek ALC889 sound chip on my motherboard. i have downloaded and installed the drivers from realtek but for some reason, the sound quality from the chip is mediocre. this happened before to me, it was becaue the wrong module was being used. i tried blacklisting snd_hda_intel, but it seems to have ignored that. not sure what modules i need to disable to force it to use the realtek ones
18:00<KALRONG>chino, do you have several devices and in the bottom of the list again the devices but they appear as hw? i selected in both cases that ones and is working perfectly actually i need to go to the alsamixer and change to the headset soundcard to check if the values of the microphone and skype was moving it itselft
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18:01<vlam>Could someone point me in the way of how to use NVIDIA Boot Agent aka network booting?
18:01<chino>ow xhit
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18:01<chino>is headphone offline
18:02<chino>exit comand
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18:04<vlam>Is there a Linux BIOS flasher compatible with Acer computers?
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18:04<KALRONG>chino, it works now?
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18:06<chino>the headphone mixer is dont working
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18:07<KALRONG>chino, could be that is muted? sorry if it sounds silly but i just discovered how to unmute with the alsamixer :P
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18:09<chino>all controls are open
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18:15<chino>is there any fisic problem with my mic?
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18:21<nysec>Does anyone have any information on creating >4GB files on NTFS mounted via ntfs-3g
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18:23<rickbol>is there a specific channel for Upower discussions? Thx
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18:23<rovanion>How do I enable an external monitor? I'm using the propitary nvidia driver
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18:27<cirvin>has anyone had experience with poor sound on ALC889 audio codecs in debian?
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18:29<rickbol>How does Upower derive the base parameters for batteries [energy-full, energy-full-design]?
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18:30<dodddummy>rovian, you mean you have two graphics card and you want to know how to enable the other one?
18:31<babilen>rovanion: this is typically done via *randr -- If you use gnome, go to system->display (or something like this) or use xrandr (command line) arandr or grandr
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18:31<rovanion>dodddummy, No, I have one graphics card to which I have the laptop screen and a secondary monitor connected
18:31<jrabbit>is there a way to select a debian mirror set?
18:32<jrabbit>I think my sources.lst is set to ftp.debian...
18:33<stderr>jrabbit: Are you asking if you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
18:33<dodddummy>rovanion, so it's not the 'normal' key on your laptop keyboard that switches them?
18:33<jrabbit>no just if theres a roundrobin
18:33<rovanion>dodddummy, I have tried using the key, but to no avail.
18:34<dodddummy>rovanion, does it show up in nvdia x server settings?
18:35<stderr>jrabbit: I usually just pick the nearest mirror or, so I have no idea.
18:35<rovanion>dodddummy, I can't find the nvidia settings.
18:35<themill>dpkg: tell jrabbit about geo sources.list
18:36<themill>jrabbit: alternatively, you can manually select mirrors; /msg dpkg mirrors
18:36<dodddummy>rovanion, are you using the nvidia driver?
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18:37<rovanion>babilen, xrandr -q shows just the one screen..
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18:39<b_52light>plz i'm trying to compile a new kernel following
18:40<b_52light>but i'm having at boot kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
18:41<daemonkeeper>You either did not include your root file system driver, your root file system device driver or you compiled either one as module and didn't boot with initrd.
18:41<KALRONG>could be that instead of using hdd(0,0) for example need to use the uuid?
18:41<b_52light>i;m using ext3
18:42<b_52light>in my grub conf file
18:42<b_52light>all the entry use hdd(0,0)
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18:42<b_52light>now still the option that the root file system was compiled as a module :(
18:42<daemonkeeper>the kernel panic is not related to your grub file system configuration
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18:43<daemonkeeper>i.e. won't matter (for the kernel) whether you enabled ext3 there or not
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18:43<b_52light>hm ?
18:44<daemonkeeper>Wait, unknown-block(0,0)? What's your kernel command line?
18:44<b_52light>sorry didn't get you kernel command line = ?
18:45<b_52light>default ==? bash
18:45<daemonkeeper>The "kernel" entry in your grub.cfg
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18:46<Zomb>anyone familiar with bluez?
18:46<Zomb>hciconfig hci0 up
18:46<Zomb>Can't init device hci0: Invalid argument (22)
18:46<Zomb>hciconfig -a displays it in DOWN state
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18:47<b_52light>daemonkeeper, the 2 first entry it's from my grub.lst
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18:50<daemonkeeper>Looks all good, you miss the initrd as said, which might be a problem.
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18:51<daemonkeeper>Compare it Debian's kernel entries in line 49+.
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18:51<b_52light>daemonkeeper, saw that but i generated the .deb with the following fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers
18:51<b_52light>fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers
18:51<daemonkeeper>Its not wrong not to have an initrd, but you /have/ to make sure all your drivers to mount the root file system aren't built as module then
18:52<b_52light>hm ok
18:52<b_52light>daemonkeeper, my command is correct i guess so still the drivers who is mounted as module
18:52<b_52light>daemonkeeper, thanks for your help
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19:10<KALRONG>im going to sleep people, have a good night
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19:41<staro_momce>anyone here
19:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:42<dvs>that too
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19:43*retrospectacus ponders why someone would join the channel, see the list of 500 users that are here, and ask "anyone here?"
19:43<nysec>Okay. Sorry to anyone who bothered with my question as to writing files >4gb on a mounted ntfs fs. I was misinformed by the user - it was actually fat32 formatted all along. Sorry.
19:43<retrospectacus>that's a derp
19:44<nysec>retrospectacus: It is entirely possibly that there are 500~ idle users who are not looking at the channel at all.
19:45<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: but! but! but! "anyone here" denotes IRC experts. Experienced IRC users would assume 499 among those are idle, absent, not looking at the channel or busy.
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19:45<vlam>What should be in the /etc/resolv.conf file?
19:45<vlam>I only have my router ip in there
19:45<retrospectacus>still, asking is not going to make any difference
19:46<retrospectacus>vlam: it is a list of resolvers. That is normal
19:46<daemonkeeper>vlam: Does sound about right.
19:46<nysec>anyone here is also technically a question asked, so there wasn't a need to have dpkg inform of !ask
19:46<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell nysec about anyone
19:46<retrospectacus>"is anyone here" is not what !ask is going for
19:47<vlam>I heard something about DNS servers in the resolv.conf
19:47<daemonkeeper>vlam: So?
19:47<retrospectacus>vlam: you heard right
19:47<vlam>Ah so that's where you put them?
19:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
19:47<daemonkeeper>Can't imagine your router would resolv on your behalf?
19:48<amphi>vlam: 'nameserver $YOUR_ROUTER_IP' is probably correct & set by dhcp
19:48<retrospectacus>vlam: your router is your best nameserver. no need to add more unless you are having some problem
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19:48<retrospectacus>also that file is automatically generated, editing it does work but it will be overwritten
19:49<nysec>How do I set /etc/resolve.conf to be unwritable by anyone? Some immutable flag?
19:49<vlam>Could adding some nameservers in there fix the machine going down from the network frequently? And if it's automatically generated then I guess not
19:49<daemonkeeper>nysec: Don't use DHCP or use resolvconf
19:50<retrospectacus>vlam: no. that woule be some other problem
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19:51<dpkg>i heard resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
19:51<nysec>daemonkeeper: How do I define what DNS servers to use if not /etc/resolve.conf? Also, I want to obtain a local IP lease but not use its DNS servers(but my own hardcoded ones).
19:51<themill>!override dns
19:51<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf on squeeze), or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
19:51<retrospectacus>vlam: can you describe your network problem in more detail?
19:52<vlam>Well I have a local debian server that is using samba to host some Videos and the share is mounted as a network drive on my Windows machines. However, it goes down and the drive disconnects. One time I have tried restarting the network service however it never came back online.
19:53<vlam>The share will stay up for a little bit then go down and I have to reboot it
19:54<nysec>dpkg is better than the manpages
19:54<dpkg>nysec: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
19:54<vlam>It's a static IP by the way
19:54<nysec>dpkg: don't parse me bro
19:54<dpkg>nysec: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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19:54<retrospectacus>vlam: check the server logs
19:55<vlam>Where would those be located?
19:56<vlam>It's not up now and I don't have the PC near me so that will be difficult. Tomorrow I will look at those. What should I expect to see? Issues about the network?
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19:58<retrospectacus>vlam: I'm not sure, I don't use samba... make a pastebin and ask here, or in a samba channel, or maybe #networking or something
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20:01*retrospectacus going home. Have a nice weekend people... play nice
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20:03<rickbol>anyone know how machine can forcefully shutdown before battery is depleted and disregarding gnome-power-manager rules?
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20:06<rickbol>i did the hack to tell g-p-m to not use battery time remaining but it still shutdown this 6-cell netbook w/full charge after ~1hr.
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20:08<rickbol>i looked at Upower source, but it seems to get it's battery info from kernel, and I still don't knpow what short cicuits g-p-m rules
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20:11<rickbol>premature shutdown happened before I installed g-p-m. It's why I installed g-p-m, so I would be able to config battery behavior, but seems something else is hooking bat stats before g-p-m
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20:13<rickbol>are there any generic/default power mgmt rules for a squeeze/lxde install.
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20:20<nysec>"Considering the splash for GIMP 2.7 is the mascot locked in a cage with a dominatrix standing beside it I'm thinking that they decided to embrace the (bad) name and run with it."
20:20<nysec>Hah, does anyone have a screenshot/image of this?
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20:30<Kennix>i DO, FUNNY
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20:32<nysec>Kennix: link?
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20:34<sney>that is a really awful image
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20:36<Kennix>Well, I would not want it on my sons computer thats for sure
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20:38<Lanz>I'm excited for Gimp 2.8: one window ftw
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20:39<Lanz>I wonder if it will use GTK+ 2 or 3
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20:39<nysec>Is there any major difference in the toolkit from GTK+ 2->3?
20:40<Lanz>Not that I know of, but I hope it uses 2 since I'm running KDE 4.6 and I don't believe KDE 4.6 can theme GTK 3 yet
20:41<Lanz>To be honest, it's about time GTK was put out to pasture, it seems to be lagging compared to Qt and is far "clunkier"
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20:41<nysec>What the hell is up with that splash image
20:42<nysec>Lanz: Could you tell me about your experiences with X toolkit APIs and development?
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20:42<Kennix>I have no idea but I hope it is not in the actual software
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20:44<nysec>Kennix: What don't ou like about GTK
20:45<Kennix>I meant the GIMP splash
20:45<Lanz>nysec: this about sums it up
20:45<Kennix>I like GTK alot better than QT
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20:46<quant>hi, have problem installing proprietary flash on squeeze: ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz - can anyone help, please?
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20:48<GindeK>@quant for flash player, you have another packages in repo
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20:48<GindeK>or you can install chrome witch have integred flash player
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20:49<quant>GindeK, I prefer Iceweasel, what package is it, please?
20:49<GindeK>only for opera you extract and put into plugin folder ( have i wright ? )
20:49<demooriaan>the mainteiner of flashplayer-nonfree did't change the sha
20:49<quant>demooriaan, figured that, what is a workaround for now?
20:49<GindeK>iceweasel is firefox with another name ;]
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20:50<quant>GindeK, I'm aware of that too
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20:50<demooriaan>dl direct form adobe (tar.gz) extract, and cp into approppriate place
20:50<quant>demooriaan, ty
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20:52<GindeK>check flashplayer-mozilla ( I don't use flash player, so this is only shot)
20:52<demooriaan>place to cp: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree
20:52<demooriaan>before, youshould mv libflashplayer-nonfree libflashplayer-nonfree-bak
20:53<quant>demooriaan, I've uninstalled the package already
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20:56<quant>demooriaan, moved into /usr/lib the broswer behaves like there's no plugin
20:56<quant>*and the browser
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20:58<demooriaan>you need to have a link named in /etc/alternatives, pointing to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
20:59<demooriaan>works for firefox, opera, iceweasel etc
20:59<quant>demooriaan, so I do it with 'ln -s blabla bla', right?
20:59<vlam>Can't he just add the contrib repo and install flashplugin-nonfree ?
21:00<demooriaan>the packageisjustwrapper,dl's the old plugin
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21:01<vlam>Works perfect for me, YouTube is fine
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21:01<demooriaan>odl version has security prob
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21:02<demooriaan>old version of adobe plugin
21:02<demooriaan>new one is *159*
21:02<demooriaan>odl is *153*, at least for i386
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21:02<demooriaan>old, sorry for typos, light is off
21:03<nysec>what does debian think of TOMOYO MAC? I don't want to be yelled at or told to go somewhere else for utilizing it
21:04<GindeK>I open IC, and check youtube
21:04<GindeK>and it is works on me
21:06<demooriaan>work, yes, but old one has security issues
21:06<GindeK>it is possible i dont use IC a very long time, so i don't carry about that ;]
21:06<demooriaan>and the wrapper is still dl the old one, or none, due to wrong sha for the new file from adobe
21:07<GindeK>i have this file in plugins for mozilla so i think that i paste this file into this folder
21:07<GindeK>i realy dont remember that now
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21:08<GindeK>and ofc now i don't have installed flashplayer-mozilla package
21:10<quant>demooriaan, I'll do that with 'ln -s' for a symbolic link, right?
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21:11<demooriaan>well, ok when it works. i keep the debian way, exept cp'ing hte new one due to not getting it through update-flashplayer-nonfree --install at this time
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21:13<demooriaan>quant: that is what the flashplayer-nonfree does, too
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21:19<quant>demooriaan, /etc/alternatives/ -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ link in place and it doesn't work in browser
21:19<demooriaan>restart browser
21:20<quant>demooriaan, I did
21:20<demooriaan>works here for iceweasel, forefox from mozilla original, and opera
21:20<quant>demooriaan, standard iceweasel here
21:20<quant>demooriaan, perhaps a permission problem?
21:20<quant>demooriaan, I did that link as root
21:21<demooriaan>did you cp with root perm, and made the linl alsowith root perm?
21:21<quant>demooriaan, yup
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21:22<demooriaan>check browser settings
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21:23<quant>demooriaan, ?
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21:25<demooriaan>i just have german version here, so:
21:25<khalid>i installed the kde in squeeze but applications didn't show in the menu?
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21:26<quant>demooriaan, it isn't listed under plugins
21:27<quant>demooriaan, can I use that .deb on the adobe site?
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21:28<demooriaan>i think it is for ubuntu, not for debian. you can reinstell the debian package flashplayer-nonfree, it does the correct settings,
21:28<demooriaan>and then cp the new *.so file from adobe
21:28<quant>demooriaan, ah, nice
21:29<demooriaan>i hope so, as the problem with sha is not solved
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21:36<quant>demooriaan, downloaded .deb from adobe, dpkg -i and that works
21:36<quant>demooriaan, the method with manual copying didn't work in the end
21:36<demooriaan>lucky one
21:36<demooriaan>worked here
21:37<demooriaan>but i did not deinstall flashplayer-nonfree
21:37<quant>demooriaan, could I have created some possible problem by installing this ubuntu .deb?
21:38<demooriaan>quant i don't know, ubuntu does some strange zhings sometimes
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21:38<th_>wow, adobe has provided flash player in deb package?
21:39<demooriaan>you can open the *.deb file with ark, and look into, what it does
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21:39<quant>demooriaan, last question - can I uninstall this .deb and remove all changes when the debian package gets updated and I want to install that?
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21:39<demooriaan>th_ for ubuntu, not natively for debian
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21:40<demooriaan>quant if they built it ringht, yes
21:40<th_>i see
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21:41<craigevil>th_, adobe flash is packaged in non-free as flashplugin-nonfree or the dmm repo as flashplayer-mozilla
21:42<demooriaan>craigevil fp-nonfree is just a wrapper script, dl's from adobe
21:42<th_>thank you, demooriaan and craigevil for the info. now i can watch cat videos on youtube
21:45<demooriaan>it is *bnot* up to date for the new plugin served by adobe
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21:46<rickbol>there can be multiple plugins. select with: update-alternatives --config
21:46<quant>demooriaan, apt-get remove adoble-flashplugin seems to have cleaned up everything well
21:47<craigevil>update-flashplugin-nonfree --install will updated it to the current adobe version
21:47<demooriaan>craigevil no did test it
21:47<demooriaan>sha for old one, doesn't match new one
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21:48<craigevil>never used the one in non-free, ive always just used the one from dmm
21:48<demooriaan>i read that, too, and i looked into wrapper scrit
21:48<quant>thanks for help again, bye
21:49<craigevil>flashplayer-mozilla: Installed: 2:
21:49<demooriaan>yes, old one
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21:49<demooriaan>new: *-169.*
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21:50<demooriaan>craigevil did you read the workaround for the new one, or weren' you here at that time?
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21:52<craigevil> shows the newest for 32 bit is 10.2.154 which is the version in Chrome
21:52<demooriaan>that is for chrome
21:52<demooriaan>for firefox/iceweasel/opera etc:
21:53<craigevil>so apparently Christian hasnt updated to the newest version in the dmm repo
21:53<demooriaan>yes, he needs updatinf one file
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21:54<craigevil>i use Chrome 99% of the time so no big deal if flash isnt updated for firefox/opera/iceweasel
21:55<demooriaan>hehe, good answer
21:56<demooriaan>when html5 i spread wider, no flash will be needed for running pictures in browser
21:58<MrFrood>whats the differance between the debian and debian-multimedia flash packages?
21:59<demooriaan>free and non-free (in debian-sense)?
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21:59<craigevil>debian is just a wrapper script that downloads it from adobe, dmm is an actual .deb that installs it
21:59<MrFrood>demooriaan: both are non-free
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22:01<MrFrood>why would I get a percieved higher frame rate and fewer crashes with the debian-mm package?
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22:03<MrFrood>(just wondering)
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22:05<demooriaan>seems that it delivers (still) the old file 2:
22:06<MrFrood>that explains the fewer crashes - it has only been unstable since that last upgrade which is why I tried the debian-mm package
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22:07<demooriaan>old *159* one unfortunately has security problems
22:07<demooriaan>sorry 153
22:07<MrFrood>demooriaan: I only use flash on a very limited number of sites
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22:08<demooriaan>best wouls be to cancel using flash, java, js at all
22:09<MrFrood>and the current debian install is unusable (crashing 90% of the time)
22:09<demooriaan>but then most of the sites would not work properly
22:09<MrFrood>demooriaan: you are talking to a hardcore elinks user ;)
22:10<demooriaan>i just have put in the new 159 from adobe, have to test it for some more time
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22:11<demooriaan>hehe, i use firefox orig at the moment
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22:12<demooriaan>no install, just unpacked
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22:14<demooriaan>i like opera, too. unfortunately it is closed source
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22:15<demooriaan>and firefox, well from 0.1 (don't know the former name any mor...)
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22:18<MrFrood>opera is IMHO the best of the full-fat browsers but it does pose philisophical issues
22:18<demooriaan>very comfortable
22:18<craigevil>prefers chrome, then firefox, iceweasel, opera, uzbl
22:19<MrFrood>uzbl - hardly a full-fat browser
22:19<craigevil>shiny > version: Shockwave Flash 10.2 r159
22:20<demooriaan>cool, that's the new one
22:20<craigevil>nope but its damn cool once you get it tweaked the way you want it
22:20<MrFrood>but google may be evil :P
22:21<demooriaan>maybe, but has very speedy dns servers
22:21<demooriaan> and
22:21<MrFrood>that they do
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22:22<MrFrood>but I've weened myself off google search
22:22<demooriaan>just for the sites one hs not in /etc/hosts, of course
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22:23<demooriaan>long time ago it was sais, use google, they use linux on their servers
22:23<demooriaan>now: google is bad, they collect data
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22:24<MrFrood>demooriaan: when google started they were 10 times better than the compertition
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22:24<demooriaan>yes, much more hits
22:25<MrFrood>these days I prfer DDG, I like how their bang styntax leaverages other search engines
22:26<demooriaan>or is it many? my english is a bit out of training
22:26<demooriaan>ddg? url, pleasse
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22:28<MrFrood>try entering "!dpkg mplayer" (without the quotes) to see how the bang styntax works
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22:28<demooriaan>MrFrood ty
22:28<MrFrood>or "Linux !yt"
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22:29<demooriaan>!dpkg mplayer
22:29<dpkg>MPlayer is a movie player for Unix-like systems. Binary codecs can be provided with the package-supplied script or <w32codecs>. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. As an alternative, use a player based on <xine> or <vlc>. Also ask me about <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>. #mplayer on
22:30*MrFrood giggles
22:30<MrFrood>I meant into DDG
22:30<demooriaan>hehe, cool ran me straight to debian package site
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22:31<demooriaan>"!debian forum" gave me forum sites
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22:32<demooriaan>ok, that is very nice
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22:36<demooriaan>aha, kind of meta search, or searching others by just telling where to search
22:37<trifolio6>hi all, i cant uninstall this lib: libbcmail-java-gcj_1 im using debian unstable more info: im using unstable
22:37<MrFrood>no it does plain seach
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22:38<demooriaan>like frontend to others?
22:39<kop>demooriaan: Everybody collects data. Get over it. We can talk more on #debian-offtopic if you like.
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22:39<MrFrood>acts as front end if you know what you want but also does normal search
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22:40<MrFrood>demooriaan: see you in debian-offtopic
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22:40<demooriaan>kop wasn't intended to be ot, sorry
22:41<craigevil>trifolio6, why do want to remove it?
22:41<craigevil>you ^
22:42<MrFrood>kop: - MrFrood runs off to #off-topic
22:42<trifolio6>good question, i dont want to do it. i just had one problem with it and my aptitude is not working now. so, i dont want to remove none of that 3 libs, i just have problems with then in my aptitude
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22:44<aussa>icedove requires flash 10 to play videos, I downloaded flashplugin from aptitude, but is still not working, any advice?
22:46<trifolio6>aussa: i use gnash, maybe that can help, not sure. it runs with iceweasel
22:46<craigevil>did you restart icedove
22:47<aussa>yes i did
22:47<aussa>reinstall? I'll try with gnash
22:49<trifolio6>aussa: gnash will not allowyou to see all the flash in the net. Its not 100% working. But u will be able to see youtube and a lot of sites. But u need to be very coherent with free software values to accept the limitations
22:50<trifolio6>i dont use flash since years and im well with that.
22:51<aussa>the weird thing is that youtube works in iceweasel, but icedove doesn't
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22:51<aussa>should I uninstall flashplugin before installing gnash?
22:53<trifolio6>i dont know, sorry. i guess it necessary but i cant tell it
22:53<craigevil>how are you viewing youtube in icedove?
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22:53<aussa> "the weird thing is that youtube works in iceweasel, b"
22:54<aussa>I'm not tyring to view youtube in iceweasel, it's just a video, from other website
22:55<aussa>it's an rss link, I get this: [Flash 10 is required to watch video.]
22:55<trifolio6>want me to test if i can see that video with my gnash?
22:56<aussa>mmm.... I'd like that, but how'd you do that?
22:56<trifolio6>giveme the url
22:56<trifolio6>in private if you want
22:57<aussa>remember, I can watch it in iceweasel, but I can't in icedove
22:58<trifolio6>no, i cant see it
22:59<aussa>:) ty anyway
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23:31<aussa>using "sudo" as a normal user doesn't work
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23:34<aussa>what if I uninstall gnome, where am I left? how can I install other desktop? an aptitude command?
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23:53<aussa>what I mean is, if I uninstall gnome, I just aptitude xfce and that would be it?
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23:55<aussa>aparto from the desktop, do I have to install a window manager too?
23:55<demooriaan>correct, but you need at least one desktop-manager like gdm3 or xdm
23:55<demooriaan>hehe, yes
23:56<demooriaan>from kde it is called kdm
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23:57<aussa>how do I know what display manager I have right now?
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