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---Logopened Tue Apr 19 00:00:19 2011
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00:00<th_>ah, he ran it inside X
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00:01<catsup>aussa: you're already running an X server
00:01<th_>Xorg :1 -configure
00:01<th_>run this instead
00:01<catsup>aussa: each X server has a number starting with zero
00:01<catsup>what th_ said
00:02<th_>if it doesn't work, run Xorg :2 -configure
00:02<th_>if that doesn't work too, run Xorg :3 -configure and so on
00:02<catsup>if :1 doesn't work, jump to Xorg :9 -configure :p
00:02<th_>as catsup, that's the best way
00:04<aussa>you tell me if it worked or it didn't:
00:05<aussa>saw two FATAL
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00:09<catsup>aussa: it created the file "/root/"
00:09<catsup>aussa: now you can move that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:09<catsup>oh wait what
00:10<catsup>are you running x?
00:11<catsup>do you have an xorg.conf for the running x?
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00:12<aussa>don't know...
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00:16<aussa>ok, what I'm trying to do is this:
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00:48<aussa>when trying to add contrib and non-free sources, should I add that to the one which starts with "deb-src"?
00:50<kenyon>aussa: yes, in addition to the "deb" lines
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00:51<aussa>ok, and the one which ends with "squeeze-updates main"?
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00:53<kenyon>aussa: yep, they show contrib here: adding non-free won't hurt
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01:00<aussa>p7zip or p7zip-full?
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01:09<aussa>what to install if I want to extract .zip files?
01:10<dpkg>[zip] a data compression and archive format. Use the "zip" program to create archives and the "unzip" program to extract. As of Debian's zip 3.0-1 package, these utilities now has large file support (resolves bug #308345).
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01:11<kenyon>judd: info unzip
01:11<judd>Package unzip (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: De-archiver for .zip files. Version: 6.0-4; Size: 174.3k; Installed: 396k; Homepage:
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01:17<aussa>to watch youtube videos: gnash or flash-plugin?
01:19<amitz>gnash can.
01:20<aussa>so... aptitude install browser-plugin-gnash ?
01:20<aussa>or maybe mozilla-plugin-gnash?
01:20<aussa>I'm using iceweasel?
01:21<amitz>i don't know atm the exact command, just see the explanation on each package, supposedly clear enough.
01:21<aussa>ok ty
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01:22<Levenson>need a good tool for desktop capturing.. any advice? most of the tools are dead or very old. ( remotedesktop xvidcap)
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01:24<jm_>why does being old matter?
01:25<jm_>anyway, try apt-cache search screencast
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01:25<dpkg>cdrecord is a console-based CD burning program included in <cdrtools>. Replaced by wodim (part of cdrkit) in Debian, ask me about <wodim>.
01:25<dpkg>wodim ("write optical disk media") is a <DFSG> compliant fork of <cdrecord>, part of <cdrkit>. See for the release notice. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab.
01:29<s_i_m>probably, one has to add to this information about wodim that is not actively developed anymore.
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01:31<dpkg>cdrkit is a fork of <cdrtools> developed by the Debian Project, included since Debian 4.0. Documentation is packaged as cdrkit-doc, see /usr/share/doc/cdrkit-doc/WHY. See also <genisoimage>, <wodim>.
01:32<aussa>couldn't been able to access wireless networks: followed this two links: &, no results!!!
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01:39<s_i_m>aussa, is the driver module loaded? can you see the wireless interface listed in ifconfig -a or iwconfig?
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01:40<aussa>iwconfig: can see wlan0 with some lines
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01:41<s_i_m>can you do "iwlist wlan0 scanning" ? (replace wlan0 with your interface)
01:42<s_i_m>its wlan0 actually =)
01:42<aussa>do I do this as root?
01:43<aussa>"wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down"
01:44<s_i_m>i see
01:47<s_i_m>let me play a bit with mine first...
01:47<s_i_m>aussa, can you paste the output of ifconfig -a and iwconfig somewhere?
01:48<soloflyer>and ip l
01:50<gsimmons>aussa: You need to raise the interface (ifconfig wlan0 up) prior to scanning.
01:50<soloflyer>try ip link set wlan0 up
01:50<s_i_m>aussa, ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scanning
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01:53<aussa>"SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132"
01:55<s_i_m>aussa, what does "rfkill list" say? all unblocked?
01:57<aussa>Soft blocked: yes
01:58<s_i_m>rfkill unblock all
01:58<s_i_m>ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scanning
02:01<s_i_m>so, its working
02:01<s_i_m>the problem is in the wrong rfkill state
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02:02<s_i_m>if you want to investigate it and report a bug, try first unloading the module and loading it back (modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k )
02:03<s_i_m>or ath9k, what is your module?
02:03<s_i_m>(here I have b43)
02:03<soloflyer>aussa: what kind of lapto/desktop is it
02:04<aussa>ASUS N53JF
02:04<soloflyer>aussa: and does it have a hardware kill switch
02:04<aussa>it is on
02:05<aussa>the this is, it worked when I had GNOME.... :S
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02:05<s_i_m>aussa, what does "rfkill list" say after "modprobe -r ath9k && modprobe ath9k" ?
02:06<aussa>Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no
02:07<soloflyer>what does dmesg say after to reload the module?
02:08<s_i_m>hm. if there is a bug, it is probably in the rfkill subsystem, not in the module itself...
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02:09<aussa>dmesg says a lot...
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02:16<s_i_m>aussa, as a workaround you may add the command "rfkill unblock all" to an init script (to /etc/rc.local, for example)
02:16<aussa>I supposed everything went well for this guy :S :
02:18<s_i_m>aussa, I guess you do not use Network Manager, as you do not use Gnome?
02:18<aussa>no, I don't think so...
02:19<aussa>do I install it?
02:20<s_i_m>aussa, that depends on how do you want to configure your wireless. I do it from /etc/network/interfaces.
02:20<s_i_m>but this way is not recommended for normal users
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02:20<s_i_m>aussa, if you dislike NM, you may try wicd
02:21<aussa>I'm using it...
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02:23<klh>s_i_m: why did you say "but this way is not recommended for normal users". I always set my wireless connection with /etc/network/interfaces
02:24<s_i_m>klh, well, normal users nowadays have too little knowledge even to use a text editor in a terminal.
02:25<aussa>I don't care, I just want it to work :D
02:25<klh>aussa: security is wpa ?
02:26<s_i_m>aussa, after unblocking with rfkill just configure wicd (if you have not done so yet).
02:27<aussa>I haven't...
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02:27<s_i_m>aussa, then do it =)
02:27<klh>s_i_m: it is wrong to take people for idiots :)
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02:28<s_i_m>klh, where do you see me doing that?
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02:28<s_i_m>klh, better complain to Gnome developers.
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02:28<klh>s_i_m: hehe
02:29<klh>s_i_m: when you say "normal users nowadays have too little knowledge even to use a text editor in a terminal". If they don't know they can learn
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02:30<aussa>the problem is I can't find any wireless networks...
02:30<s_i_m>klh, the problem is that gnome developers assume they will never even want to learn.
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02:31<s_i_m>aussa, the driver actually can, as you showed us in the output of iwlist wlan0 scanning
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02:33<s_i_m>15 networks in total
02:34<aussa>ok, so wicd is the one that is not configure...
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02:34<s_i_m>aussa, most likely
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02:35<klh>s_i_m: it is mostly true, but we are on #debian, we assume the opposite (I hope)
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02:35<th_>hi, i'm using ath9k too. ifconfig wlan0 up successfully brought up the interface, yet iwlist wlan0 scanning said "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning." and iwconfig wlan0 said "wlan0 no wireless extensions.". the lspci line of the device is "04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)"
02:36<s_i_m>well, have you seen a recent thread on debian-devel about replacing ifupdown with NM?
02:36<s_i_m>klh, if not search for it.
02:37<s_i_m>you will see what is the current opinion of some (active and influential) maintainers.
02:37<klh>ok I search
02:38<jm_>I certainly hope it doesn't become the default
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02:40<aussa>ty, good night
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02:40<th_>coming up next: systemd
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02:47<klh>s_i_m: (s.z) "technical decisions in Debian will continue to be based on technical excellence", it's ok for me
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02:47<aussa>I really don't know how, but after a reboot, it is working now, thank you very much :D
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02:48<s_i_m>klh, one thing is a declaration, another thing is an action.
02:49<s_i_m>aussa, my congrats ;)
02:54<aussa>easy way of having keyboard shortcuts... ?
02:55<s_i_m>aussa, in X?
02:57<s_i_m>xbindkeys for all, or a window manager-specific extension
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03:07<fireman112>Anyone know how2 install ubuntu/Debian on XPad? i have known that only Zhiqi machines can do this!
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03:08<devil>fireman112: a ubuntu channel will know, this is debian
03:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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03:15<fireman112>ok thankyou1
03:16<aussa>I'm trying to configure my touchpad, but can't find the xorg.conf file, I tryed to create it: Xorg -configure but it is not working...
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03:17<fireman112>now I am using Debian6, how2 install Gnome3 instead 2? any sources?
03:17<jm_>is your X server already running?
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03:17<jm_>if it is, then this should work: X -configure :1
03:17<locsmif>Why does the man page for ssh_config say: ProtocolKeepAlives and SetupTimeOut are Debian-specific compatibility aliases for this option. (this option meaning ServerAliveInterval)
03:19<aussa>jm_: it is poiting to a xorg.conf.d, but it is in usr/share/X11, does that matter?
03:19<dondelelcaro>locsmif: most likely, we had patches to allow that option before upstream did, and we chose different names
03:19<jm_>aussa: what is?
03:19<dondelelcaro>locsmif: it's not that unusual
03:19<locsmif>dondelelcaro: ok so I should not use 'ServerAliveInterval'
03:19<jm_>you should
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03:19<locsmif>Oh, I see, right, ty
03:20<dondelelcaro>locsmif: no, the option is ServerAliveInterval; you shouldn't be using the Debian-specific ones.
03:20<set>hi... can you tell me why can copy the partition table on second hdd?
03:20<locsmif>dondelelcaro: yup
03:20<aussa>jm_: after "X -configure :1" where the xorg.conf file should be?
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03:20<set>sorry for translate but LANG=c don translate it on english :/
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03:21<dondelelcaro>(they're still supported just because it'd be bad to break historic configuration files for no reason)
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03:23<locsmif>Yeah, somehow the man page gave me the impression that these were aliases which were required instead of optional for backward compatibility..
03:23<locsmif>Tx for explaining
03:25<locsmif>When you use key auth with ssh, shouldn't you also have the server's public key, instead you only handing your pub key to the server?
03:26<dondelelcaro>locsmif: np; you need the server's fingerprint
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03:27<locsmif>ah yes
03:27<locsmif>And where does the fingerprint reside?
03:28<locsmif>I presume it's not preferable to just accept the fingerprint upon first connect and store it permanently...isn't that a bit farcical?
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03:29<dondelelcaro>locsmif: it's calculated from the public key.
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03:32<locsmif>dondelelcaro: how will you know the server is the server?
03:32<dondelelcaro>locsmif: I personally tend to pre-populate my fingerprints
03:32<NoReflex>hello! I'm looking for some documentation about how SAS controllers initialize the drives and why the devices won't show up until an operating system "enables" them
03:32<dondelelcaro>locsmif: for example, in Debian, we distribute lists of fingerprints which are gpg signed
03:32<locsmif>dondelelcaro: yeah, that's what I meant
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03:33<dondelelcaro>locsmif: assuming you're on the server. you can run ssh-keyscan localhost; or similar
03:34<locsmif>Gotta use Public Key / asymmetric crypto the right way
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03:35<th_>so is it safe by just comparing the fingerprints?
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03:35<locsmif>Although I'm sure my imaginative man-in-the-middle scenarios are just that; imaginative, I'd prefer no loose ends.
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03:36<locsmif>th_: sending them around with GPG signed mail?
03:36<aussa>how do I "execute some command on boot" I'm supposed to execute this on boot: "rmmod snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto position_fix=0"
03:37<th_>i mean by accessing the server directly, write the host key fingerprint on a paper. go home, try to connect to the server, compare the fingerprint on paper with the fingerprint on screen
03:37<th_>aussa, put it inside /etc/rc.local
03:38<locsmif>th_: I guess so, yes.
03:38<locsmif>Why not?
03:38<th_>locsmif, i think gpg signed mail is better if the chain of trust is already established
03:38<aussa>I'll reboot, let's see if it works...
03:38<locsmif>But only if you have physical access
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03:38<locsmif>th_: I tend to agree.
03:39<th_>yeah, physical access is not always possible
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03:41<th_>i'm on a remote island, until these days i can't be sure whether all debian cds and packages i have downloaded is the right one. since i'm noone, i don't think anyone is seriously doing MITM attack on me, but being a paranoid....
03:41<jm_>aussa: where did you look for it?
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03:43<locsmif>Is there a keyboard tester for Debian?
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03:45<locsmif>ALT-F2 doesn't work for me anymore in KDE
03:45<devil>ALT-F2 works here with 4.6
03:46<locsmif>KDE Development Platform: 4.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5)
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03:47<locsmif>th_: ty
03:47<locsmif>Hmmm, this is odd
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03:48<locsmif>I started "run command" with the mouse *once*
03:48<locsmif>And now it works again.
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04:34<JoSH86>Hello everyone
04:34<unu`acolo>i need some help
04:35<unu`acolo>i try to install squeeze amd 64 on an Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.50GHz with 6 GB ram and 2x500 Gb harddisks
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04:36<unu`acolo>when i get on partitioning it just hangs and doen`t pass that
04:36<unu`acolo>i have successfuly installed i386 on same config :|
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04:42<webad_13>does anyone know how to compound tasks in bash shell when one of them should be run as background job
04:43<webad_13>so lets' say I have taks 1) that should be run as background job, task 2) regular task
04:43<webad_13>I would like to do 1) && 2)
04:45<jm_>unu`acolo: try accessing tty2 to investigate
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04:49<Fudgey>hi is there a debian server support cahnnel or may i ask here?
04:50<petemc>this is it
04:50<th_>task1 &; task2
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04:51<webad_13>th_, this won't work
04:51<webad_13>u cant use semi colon after ampersand can u?
04:52<Fudgey>hi petemc again :D
04:53<petemc>hi :)
04:53<Fudgey>I am looking for the debian installer for server, as it is cli based
04:53<Fudgey>hoping i can make it work with mint
04:53<th_>task1 & task2
04:54<jm_>Fudgey: debian installer is text based
04:55<webad_13>th_, yeah this can work - my only problem is that I am making ssh tunnel (task 1) and task 2 should be run only if the tunnel is established
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04:56<Fudgey>i have speakup jm_ so am willing to see if it can work for me
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04:56<Fudgey>unless all you gurus know some sort of other installer i can use in a gui that keeps it real simple for blind people to install. like porting ubiquity or someting
04:56<Slydder1>hey all
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04:58<Saher>please i need help
04:58<Saher>is there anyone can help me
04:58<jm_>Fudgey: speakup and brtty are enabled in d-i AFAIK
04:58<Saher>i have a problem with wifi
04:59<Fudgey>how can i grab it then jm
04:59<jm_>Fudgey: did you read this ?
04:59<Fudgey>jm_ i mean
04:59<th_>ssh -f user@host true; task2
05:00<Fudgey>no but i will now jm_
05:00<jm_>Saher: try this for a start -- /msg dpkg smart questions
05:00<Slydder1>I have a working ldap server with user accounts and a working pptpd server for vpn. I would like to get pptpd to auth against the ldap server. I have been searching the net all morning and have yet to find any really usefull info. I did find a post where /etc/ppp/chap-secrets was modified to include: "* * &uid?(objectClass=posixAccount)?ou=people,dc=xxxxxxxxxx,dc=xx *". unfortunately I have not found where the base dn should go as well as the bind
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05:01<th_>webad_13, pardon me, it should be ssh -f user@host true && task2
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05:02<opalepatrick>Just installed Debian just one user on a desktop. So, what is the most straightforward firewall to use? I dont need to let anything in other than mail and internet.
05:02<opalepatrick>I thyink :-)
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05:03<dpkg>[firewall] a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see <gibraltar>, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection. See also <firehol>.
05:04<babilen>opalepatrick: Also check -- Why do you need one?
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05:05<opalepatrick>Not sure tbh. I used Mandriva before and I believe it had one built into the install, but I saw various references to debian not coming with one on install, babilen
05:05<babilen>opalepatrick: I would still recommend to learn and use plain iptables -- See and for further details. fwbuilder is a good frontend.
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05:05<Fudgey>Saher plz dont pm me with stupid messages
05:05<webad_13>th_, this is perfect exactly what I needed - thanx alot
05:06<opalepatrick>Thanks for the advice babilen
05:06<webad_13>th_, do u know what happens with the background process
05:06<Fudgey>jm_ a lot of really good info there but im not sure it is specific for what i need currently
05:06<webad_13>since it does not get listed with jobs command
05:06<babilen>opalepatrick: Note that a closed port is better than filtering open ones with a firewall ...
05:07<Fudgey>plz correct me if i assume wrong but, i have linux mint debian edition i am remastering, had hoped i could use debian-installer to allow people to isntall it. basically looking for simplest installation method that is accessible to either orca or speakup. bother are already enabled
05:07<opalepatrick>I agree babilen - are ports closed by default on a debian install (save the obvious)
05:09<th_>webad_13, np
05:09<th_>webad_13, it's beyond me, i don't know what happens behind the screen
05:09<jm_>Fudgey: linux mint is offtopic here
05:10<fanto666>Hello. Since upgrading to squeeze, I have problem with mutt and dselect. When I maximize terminal window, after some time/action application starts thinking I resized my window back, but I did not.
05:10<babilen>opalepatrick: Well, if you install a service it will be activated and use a reasonable secure default configuration. If you want to check what is open, use "nmap localhost"
05:10<fanto666>tried with urxvt/rxvt/xterm
05:10<babilen>opalepatrick: I can't tell you what you want ;)
05:10<Fudgey>thanks :)
05:10<opalepatrick>of course, thanks babilen
05:10<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
05:10<jm_>Fudgey: ^^^^^^^
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05:12<fanto666>btw, What's this? dh_clean: Compatibility levels before 5 are deprecated.
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05:13<jm_>fanto666: man dh_clean
05:15<fanto666>jm_: sorry, no clue
05:15<SynrG>also, for packaging questions, see #debian-mentors
05:16<webad_13>th_, if -f is used with -N than it will run in background forever - the trick is to execute a command such as sleep on the remote machine and connect in the mean time trhought the tunnel
05:16<webad_13>when remote command is completed ssh tries to close but cannot because tunnel is being used, so it needs to wait
05:16<webad_13>in effect, everyhting will be closed when you close your tunneled connection
05:16<th_>wow, cool
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05:18<th_>thanks for the info, i'll keep that in mind when i need something like this
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05:21<fanto666>didn't anyone report
05:21<fanto666>didn't anyone report problem with resizing terminal and application behaviour?
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05:23<jm_>fanto666: check the BTS
05:23<babilen>fanto666: Check the BTS
05:24<babilen>fanto666: yes, check it twice :)
05:24<fanto666>did three times... but ok I'll do it again
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05:29<SynrG>fanto666: er, with such an imprecise problem description, the chance of someone being able to help is about zero
05:30<fanto666>SynrG: dselect doesn't detect window resize at all. Mutt does, but after exiting external program, it behaves as if I changed terminal window size back...
05:30<SynrG>the behaviour of any particular (screen-based, i assume -- ncurses or otherwise) app would tend to vary per application, not be some general issue
05:31<SynrG>you use dselect? horrors
05:31<jm_>how about aptitude? alsamixer? slrn? mc? ...
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05:32<fanto666>alsamixes doesn't detect change too
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05:33<SynrG>fanto666: perhaps your terminal isn't signalling size change properly, then. i can confirm alsamixer resizes fine in gnome-terminal
05:33<fanto666>... tried with urxvt, rxvt, xterm, mlterm...
05:34<SynrG>nope. alsamixer resizes fine with xterm
05:34<SynrG>which release of debian? which version(s) of these apps?
05:34<fanto666>squeeze r1
05:34<SynrG>which DE/WM are you using? maybe it's misbehaving
05:34<fanto666>olvwm. strace reports WINCH was received
05:34<SynrG>i believe such things are delegated to the WM ...
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05:35<SynrG>fine. change from olvwm to something else and retest
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05:35<SynrG>openbox, for example
05:37<fanto666>the same..
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05:37<SynrG>you know olvwm was orphaned in 2009
05:38<SynrG>huh. guess you just don't live right
05:38<fanto666>hmmm, was it? last time I tried switch wm (when upgrading to lenny I think), I didn't like any I tried
05:38<fanto666>maybe something with the xdefaults
05:38<SynrG>could be
05:38*SynrG shrugs
05:38<SynrG>gotta go to work. later
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05:55<fanto666>hmmm, nothing helped. Even creating new empty account...
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06:13<daniel_>My screen is a little bit off screen to the bottom how to I center it to fit my screen
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06:20<Lampe43>Hello! I could need some help to install debian via USB.
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06:20<jm_>could? that's good, as long as we don't need to help
06:21<Lampe43>Well, I assume that there are a person or two here that can help? : )
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06:29<Lampe43>When I try to install Debian from a cd, and I press "install", it freezes.. Or atleast it stays on that menu forever..
06:29<Lampe43>What can be the problem?
06:29<jm_>which CD is it?
06:30<Lampe43>The last stable one, AMD64.
06:30<jm_>are you positive it's amd64 and not ia64?
06:30<Lampe43>Well, I asked the person who owns the server, and he said it was amd64.. But I can try Ia64 aswell, if you think that may be the problem!
06:31<jm_>actually if it shows the menu that should not be the problem
06:31<Lampe43>Oh, well, it does show the menu where I can choose graphic install, advanced, and so on.
06:31<jm_>does it show Loading ..... line?
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06:32<Lampe43>No, not that I can see..
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06:32<Lampe43>By the way, is there a (gnu) grub command which boots from CD's?
06:32<jm_>let me try one here to see if it shows that
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06:36<Lampe43>Can I boot CD's from Grub?
06:36<Lampe43>(command line)
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06:37<SynrG>fanto666: so, something system-wide, not local to your account
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06:40<fanto666>fsck fsck fsck
06:40<SynrG>Kimmag: hm. the only time i've seen that behaviour is when trying to boot amd64 in virtualbox on a system with no hardware virtualization support. it wasn't merely slow. it would just freeze after pressing enter at the boot menu
06:40<Kimmag>Oh.. Well, what do you recommend I should do?
06:40<jm_>heh this just happened to me with qemu :)
06:40<fanto666>bug 580498 did it... settings COLUMNT and LINES variables in system-wide csh rc's
06:41<SynrG>Kimmag: no idea. if you're not in a virtual machine, i don't know what it could be :/
06:41<Kimmag>Oh.. Okay :(
06:41<Kimmag>Thanks anyway!
06:41<jm_>Kimmag: try uisng the advanced -> expert install
06:41<fanto666>COLUMS, that is... many applications use COLUMS and LINES as screen size
06:41<SynrG>fanto666: ah. i see
06:41<jm_>that should show Loading ... line
06:41<fanto666>should I reopen the bug or fill new one?
06:42<SynrG>fanto666: er, hmm. i have COLUMNS and LINES ...
06:42<jm_>you are using tcsh?
06:42<Kimmag>Okay, thanks Jm_ I'll try!
06:42<SynrG>are you saying if these are set the bug manifests or if they *aren't* set? no, bash
06:42*SynrG goes to look at the bug ...
06:43<SynrG>fanto666: btw, you really appear to be living in the past. olvwm? (dead upstream since the late 90's ...) tcsh?
06:43<fanto666>both mutt and dselect work w/o problem now
06:43*SynrG shakes his head
06:43<fanto666>SynrG: well, bash simply sucks as does readline library used by it
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06:44<fanto666>fol olvwm, I'm considering change, but I haven't tried anything that looks better
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06:44<fanto666>the same for aptitude, I never started liking it
06:45<SynrG>ok. i just mean to point out that if you insist on using old/abandoned/less popular software, be prepared to deal with the issues that come with living in the past
06:45<fanto666>SynrG: back to the problem, COLUMNS and LINES variables are (at least were historically) used to set terminal size. setting them caused this problem
06:45<SynrG>certainly you have the choice, and valid reasons i am sure. just an observation :)
06:45<fanto666>SynrG: I believe none of mutt/alsamixer are abandoned now
06:45<SynrG>so? it's not mutt or alsamixer's fault, though, is it?
06:46<fanto666>SynrG: no, but both mutt and alsamixer had problem when COLUMNS and LINES were set
06:47<fanto666>while tcsh changed them to current terminal size each time I changed it, other applications did not see that and got confused
06:47<fanto666>I don't see any reason they should be set, the "bug" doesn't tell also.
06:48<jm_>these variables are problematic only when they have wrong values, not otherwise
06:48<SynrG>well, in bash, COLUMNS and LINES are set, and if i resize gnome-terminal, these values change.
06:48<fanto666>the same in tcsh
06:48<SynrG>so if apps are sensitive to whether these are set correctly or not, i can't see that's the app's problem
06:48<Kimmag>Damn, why can't it just boot from the cd!? -.-
06:49<fanto666>SynrG: execute alsamixer and resize the terminal
06:49<SynrG>i have done that already, fanto666. works fine
06:49<fanto666>SynrG: and... are they environment variables or just bash variables?
06:49<fanto666>just bash...
06:50<jm_>Kimmag: did you see the Loading .... line?
06:50<fanto666>SynrG: the problem they are set as environment variables in tcsh
06:50<Kimmag>Now I can't even boot from the CD, even if it's the first priority in BIOS. (It did yesterday though..)
06:50<fanto666>uhlar@fnote:~$ env |grep COLUMNS
06:50<fanto666>uhlar@fnote:~$ set |grep COLUMNS
06:52<fanto666>SynrG: try 'export LINES COLUMNS' what happens ;)
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06:53<SynrG>i see. that reproduces your problem.
06:53<fanto666>filling the report
06:54<fanto666>SynrG: thx for hints. i've had this problem for 2 months but haven't got to finding out... thought it's ncurses bug or whatever
06:55<stderr_dk>What's the "problem"? It sounds like as-it-should-be to me.
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06:56<stderr_dk>If you're forcing LINES and/or COLUMNS to some value, ncurses shouldn't check the size itself, but use the values you have specified.
06:56<stderr_dk>And in that case, ncurses should check for resizing either.
06:56<fanto666>stderr_dk the problem is, they are set in system-wide csh startup scripts.
06:56<stderr_dk>shouldn't... sorry.
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06:57<stderr_dk>fanto666: So... echo $COLUMNS resize terminal echo $COLUMNS gives the same number?
06:58<fanto666>stderr_dk: yes...
06:58<stderr_dk>Ok, that's bad...
07:00<stderr_dk>Speaking of bad... I better get to work.
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07:00<Kimmag>Seriously, how come, the server won't boot from the cd, but it did yesterday.. even if the bios settings is correct >-<
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07:00<jm_>why do you need to boot it from CD?
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07:00<Kimmag>I want to format.
07:00<Kimmag>Install debian
07:01<Jo>heya, was wondering if theres a problem with Sid repos atmo?
07:01<jm_>boot from USB/network/hard disk insted - much less hassle
07:01<Kimmag>It won't find USB's, and I don't know how to set up a network either..ø
07:02<jm_>does it have any other OS installed?
07:02<Kimmag>Yeah, debian from before, but I don't know the root password to access it
07:02<jm_>!i forgot root's password
07:02<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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07:03<Kimmag>Oh.. awesome, let's try this
07:03<Jo>no one knows if there are problems with debian unstable repositories atmo? must be someone..
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07:05<Kimmag>How do I run "fsck" when I cant access the computer? Via grub command line?
07:05<devil>Jo: what problems?
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07:06<dpkg>it has been said that fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>.
07:06<devil>Kimmag: from a live medium?
07:06<Kimmag>Problem is, that it won't boot from the CD or usb, and I don't know how to do a network install on these things.. (It booted from cd's yesterday, but I don't remember what I did. I tried googling aswell though)
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07:07<Jo>devil: aside from my dist-update deciding to remove half of gnome because of some random dependency issue with a python update, it seems the packages it removed dont exist or arent being read from the Sid repo, ie gedit is gone. wanted to know if its just me, or a server side issue
07:08<devil>Jo: there is a python transition going on, which wanted to remove python related packages in the past days. that should be finished, as python-htk2 moved in today.
07:09<devil>Jo: i read there is gnome stuff removed today, but as i do not use gnome, i didnt follow up on that
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07:09<Jo>devil: i see, problem is my whole system is gnome so atmo if i restart, squish, might aswell reinstall from livecd. which i would rather not do of course
07:10<devil>Jo: so you did the dist-upgrade albeit gnome being removed?
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07:11<Jo>devil: yup, did my usual update and it updated python, then removed my gnome session, panel, half my apps, file manager, config programs, pretty much what makes my system run, lol
07:12<devil>Jo: well, sorry to say, but if reading what apt wants to remove goes beyond your skills, you should for sure use stable
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07:13<Jo>devil: unfortunately i did it without confirmation, as had updated recently and thought there wouldnt be any new updates. doh. i would NEVER have hit Y
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07:14<Jo>guess thats what i get for deciding to do an update check before bed >.<
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07:14<devil>i dont know of any situation where confirmation is not needed.
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07:14<devil>usinf CLI, that is
07:15<Jo>yeah, i know, im an rtard, i was just being lazy
07:15<devil>well, next time...
07:15<jm_>try to find out why it removed gnome
07:15<devil>laziness and unstable do not work.
07:15<Jo>i know why, its cos of python dependencies
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07:16<devil>maybe stuff needs to be adapted to new pythonn-gtk2, no idea
07:16<Jo>but, until the repo is redone with new gnome packages for the new python i think easiest is if i just downgrade to testing, as gnome has gone from sid repo far as i can see
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07:17<Jo>unless anyone has any better suggestions
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07:17<devil>there is not too much more damage to be done, given your stuff is backupped
07:19<Jo>yeah, not really much damage, more hassle than anything
07:19<devil>Jo: planet debian had a post about gnome3 in experimental yesterday.
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07:20<devil>but, as i said, no idea on gnome
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07:21<Jo>ty for your help, least i know now why. mebe ill just go backto openbox or something, take the opportunity for a change of scenery :)
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07:25<SynrG>jo: i find no evidence gnome is gone from sid ...
07:26<Jo>really? the packages it removed arent showing up for sid repo in synaptics for me
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07:31<SynrG>sure. that happens with sid.
07:32<SynrG>it's not that gnome is gone ... it's that it has unsatisfiable dependencies at this point.
07:32<SynrG>that is an avoidable aspect of using sid.
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07:33<SynrG>it is impossible to make sweeping changes to the archive instantaneously. so you'll always end up with some packages depending on other packages that can't be installed at the time until the whole transition catches up.
07:33<SynrG>the seasoned user of sid knows how to deal with this.
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07:34<SynrG>s/an avoidable/an unavoidable/
07:34<Jo>true, no matter, going to downgrade to testing, other stuff i could deal with, but loss of core stuff like gnome is bit beyond me.
07:34<Kimmag>Okay, I'm getting really pissed. It won't boot from the cd nomatter WHAT I do, it did yesterday, but what the heck, i've tried nearly everything.
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07:34<Jo>least in terms of having the system usable till they update gnome
07:35<SynrG>Kimmag: incidentally, i don't usually mess with BIOS settings to select the device to boot from. i just press whatever key the BIOS has to bring up the menu of devices to boot from (assuming your BIOS has such a key)
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07:36<SynrG>that generally works better. having to edit BIOS settings is a big hassle because no two BIOSes are exactly the same when it comes to offering you options for booting removable media :p
07:37<Kimmag>I don't know, when it boots, i get three choices, setup(bios), pxe boot thingy, and some other stuff that i dont remember. I've set the order to: cd>floppy>HDD, but still, it won't even show that it has a cd inside. (It did yesterday).
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07:38<Jo>might be a dumb suggestion, but cd lense clean just incase? number of times ive taken the complicated route to a simple solution..
07:38<SynrG>so, no <esc> or <f10> or <tab> or something to select boot device?
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07:38<SynrG>Kimmag: are you sure the cable for the CD is secure?
07:38<Kimmag>Well, it doesn't say anything like that SynRG, but ofcourse, I can try..
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07:39<Kimmag>Yeah, the cdrom is blinkin and workin
07:39<SynrG>working, as in, can actually be used once the system is booted?
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07:39<Kimmag>Yeah, atleast I haven't heard anything else by the owner.
07:39<Kimmag>It's a poweredge 2650
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07:40<SynrG>Kimmag: also, what Jo said
07:40<fanto666>Bug#623330 filled.
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07:41<Kimmag>But the thing is, that I don't see any cdrelated stuff on the startup, even though the order is correct.. If it could be a command in Grub command line that could boot the cd, it would be awesome..
07:41<SynrG>and you've confirmed the burn of the image is ok by booting it in another system of the same architecture?
07:42<Kimmag>Yeah, the CD worked yesterday
07:42<Kimmag>F2 = Setup
07:42<SynrG>lack of hearing from the owner about CD issues cannot be taken as proof positive it works *today*
07:42<Kimmag>f10 utility mode
07:42<Kimmag>f12 PXE boot
07:42<Kimmag>nothing more
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07:42<SynrG>has the machine been transported recently or opened?
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07:43<SynrG>so, aside from cleaning, as Jo suggested, i dunno what else to suggest
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07:44<Kimmag>Okay. Now I can't navigate on the grub boot menu either, seriously, this thing is kind of weird
07:45<SynrG>that's the grub installed on the primary drive?
07:45<SynrG>something's flaky, for sure. recheck all cables, external and internal. reseat ram, etc.
07:46<SynrG>check fan speed, make sure sufficient airflow, etc.
07:46<Kimmag>i made it go into the cd now
07:46<Kimmag>But the arrow keys suddenly wont work
07:46<SynrG>since the issue is in early boot, and it varies from day to day with no changes made to the system between, it seems unlikely to be a software issue
07:46<Jo>sounds like the mobo is dodge, try enabling extended post if it has the option
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07:50<Kimmag>Hmm.. Where can I find that option Jo? Thanks everyone by the way!
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07:53<Jo>depends on bios software, but option should be along the lines of fastboot, post or similar, if its fastboot disable it, if its post, enable it. will be in bios setup
07:55<Kimmag>Okay. But for a reason, now suddenly the keyboard won't work when it opens grub boot menu.. I'll just try what you just said then
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07:57<Kimmag>Kinda weird, that it boots from the cd whenever it wants..
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08:14<newbie_debian>hello can i help here?
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08:15<devil>you want to help or you want help?
08:16<lord_rob>I think people here are not newbies and don't need help ;-)
08:16<newbie_debian>what is this file for fix resolv.conf , also i write nameserver more and save file and if i reboot server , thats back old
08:16<devil>lord_rob: thinking is good, knowing is better :)
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08:17<newbie_debian>i learn this debian , not newbie
08:17<devil>newbie_debian: if you read at the top of the file, it says exactly that
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08:17<newbie_debian>devil generated by network manager?:)
08:17<s_i_m>newbie_debian, install resolvconf
08:18<SynrG>resolvconf, uggh
08:19<SynrG>isc-dhcp-client should fix up your /etc/resolv.conf on its own with no need for resolvconf
08:19<newbie_debian>and resolvconf installing for that fix and save?
08:20<SynrG>so i don't know why resolvconf is needed/recommended, since isc-dhcp-client is, like, the default dhcp client
08:20<EmleyMoor>Is there a guide anywhere to making a diskless Debian system?
08:20<s_i_m>SynrG, obviously, because there are ways to configure networks.
08:21<Kimmag>Does anyone know why my keyboard won't work after its past the post menu?
08:21<newbie_debian>i want configure nameserver more
08:21<TCW>newjust out of curiosity... what is your native language?
08:21<newbie_debian>think , dns servers
08:21<TCW>newbie_debian, even
08:22<TCW>Kimmag, is it a more or less fancy usb keyboard?
08:22<Kimmag>No, an old Sun keyboard (usb), it worked for like 10 minutes ago, but now it won't work at all.
08:22<Kimmag>Now that I FINALLY got into the cd boot, it wont work. (It wotn work on the grub menu anymore either)
08:22<SynrG>s_i_m: ok. i've just seen more broken configurations with resolvconf than isc-dhcp-client alone. and most of those were people who didn't need the flexibility.
08:22<TCW>Kimmag, do you have a live CD at hand?
08:23<Kimmag>Yeah, and I have the problem that the server wontb oot from cd for anything, but now that I finally made itb oot, the keyboard won't owrk
08:23<TCW>Kimmag, so I guess that is a more or less fancy hardware and not just the keyboard? :)
08:24<SynrG>Kimmag: by the way, is the keyboard only flaky in the grub boot meu or also flaky in the BIOS menus?
08:24<Kimmag>All I want is to format the goddamn thing, but i don't know how, without accessing it..
08:24<Kimmag>it works in bios
08:24<babilen>newbie_debian: AFAIK you can configure nameservers in network-manager. Right click on the icon and select something like "Edit Connections" (or so) and look there.
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08:24<TCW>SynrG, it is probably not "flaky" I think I know what the problem is... usb "legacy" works, but as soon as the operating system takes over, it is gone.
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08:25<Kimmag>But it worked like 10 minutes ago
08:25<SynrG>humm. where "grub ~= operating system"?
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08:25<Kimmag>then i restarted
08:25<Kimmag>and now it wont.
08:25<TCW>Kimmag, err... in grub it does not work either?
08:25<Kimmag>No buttons at all, it did earlier today
08:26<TCW>Kimmag, so it DID work in grub before?
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08:26<Kimmag>Then i hard-restarted it
08:26<Kimmag>and now it won't
08:26<TCW>Kimmag, what did change?
08:26<Kimmag>not even at the debian cd menu
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08:26<Kimmag>Nothing as I know has been changed..
08:26<babilen>btw, with all the n-m talk on d-d I wanted to try it, but am unsure what I need to have running for it to work. Apparently "gnome-keyring-daemon" is needed, which is only coming up when I start the session through gdm(3), but not if I run "startx"
08:27<SynrG>babilen: ah. well, i've had LXDE + NM before ...
08:27<SynrG>babilen: all i did was autostarted nmclient
08:27<TCW>Kimmag, I guess a bit more information is needed then... as... what hardware is that exactly, when did it work, what operating system or / live / installer medium was used then?
08:27<SynrG>er, nmapplet
08:27<SynrG>or whatever the heck it's called
08:27<SynrG>nm_applet maybe? :)
08:27<babilen>Looks as if I am missing something in my ~/.xsession -- And do you know if anything apart from gnome-keyring-daemon needed for it to run?
08:28<Kimmag>TCW: Debian, Poweredge 2650, it worked for 10 minutes ago, then i hard restarted (hold power button)
08:28<SynrG>it may be that LXDE, when it has some gnome components, starts them ...
08:28<Kimmag>and i added a command inside the grub thingy (to reset password, which failed.)
08:28<babilen>SynrG: yeah, sure nm-applet. Problem is that it won't safe passwords if gnome-keyring-daemon is not running ..
08:28<TCW>Kimmag, what operatng system was running before the hard reset?
08:28<SynrG>babilen: ah, right. when i tried it, i didn't need that feature.
08:28<SynrG>just was using an open network at the time
08:28<TCW>Kimmag, a full blwon debian?
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08:29<babilen>SynrG: It's not really urgent, but with all the talk about it, I wanted to try it (again) :)
08:29<TCW>blown even
08:29<Kimmag>I don't know, I'm not the owner of the server.
08:29<Kimmag>But I want to clear the harddiscs, can I do this from any other places, or do I need to access the computer itselves? I want to install a new run of debian, but since the machine won't use the keyboard, OR boot from the cd as often as I want it to..
08:29<SynrG>babilen: sure :)
08:29<s_i_m>babilen, just give up ;)
08:30<SynrG>babilen: dbus-daemon, i guess
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08:30<Kimmag>I think I'll try a factory reset on the bios and so on
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08:30<SynrG>babilen: that was one of the objections raised to "NM by default" anyway
08:30<TCW>Kimmag, you could take out the harddisk, plug it in another computer (even via USB), use debootsrap to install debian on it, replugin the hdd in the old computer, boot...
08:30<babilen>Well, I guess I am missing something that sets environment variables for gnome-keyring-daemon so it (and everything) else can use the default keyring. I am also stumped by the lack of documentation about "system" connections and a powerful CLI tool.
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08:31<TCW>Kimmag, but... don't you have an ordinary USB keyboard lying around somewhere?
08:31<SynrG>babilen: i gather the session needs to be launched via dbus ... and then all the bits can talk to each other
08:32<babilen>SynrG: I'll have a look into dbus-daemon. It was just that the "working out of the box" feature seems to apply to Gnome (and probably other DEs) but not to a frugal system like mine.
08:32<Kimmag>It's weird though
08:32<SynrG>babilen: have you poked about the help for nmcli?
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08:32<SynrG>seems to have some built in
08:33<babilen>SynrG: Any idea how to launch the system via dbus? I am happy to RTFM, but am just not sure where to start. And fwiw n-m still feels like an overengineered gnome-specific powerful tool ... ;)
08:33<TCW>Kimmag, is there another computer (laptop?) somehwere to plug the sun-usb-keyboard in to see what modules udev loads?
08:33<jm_>babilen: default x11 session scripts start dbus
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08:34<TCW>and to see if it does not work at grub too
08:34<Kimmag>Tcw: See what?
08:34<babilen>jm_: Ok, I'll investigate further why gnome-keyring-daemon is not happy.
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08:34<jm_>babilen: is there anything about it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d? or perhaps check what gnome-session does
08:34<TCW>Kimmag, in general... I am just curious what the other computer might do with this keyboard.
08:35<babilen>But honestly: My idea of "Lets have a look to see if it really got better" turned into "Ugh, what gnome daemons do I need to start in which order and which env vars need to be set when" :)
08:35<jm_>babilen: dbus can be disabled via /etc/X11/Xsession.options
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08:36<babilen>jm_: I checked /etc/X11/Xsession.options and AFAICT it looks perfect. I guess that I miss something in my ~/.xsession
08:36<jm_>babilen: so you probably have dbus running too
08:37<newbie_debian>babilen: resolv.conf fix network manager , also where is script file for linux ?
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08:38<babilen>I'll investigate further. It works if I start the session via gdm3 ...
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08:38<jm_>that probably runs gnome-session
08:38<babilen>newbie_debian: I don't understand what you are asking me. If you are using network-manager to configure your network you can override the DNS server obtained via DHCP. I told you how earlier.
08:38<s_i_m>newbie_debian, what is your native language?
08:39<babilen>jm_: I start awesome from there, so it must be that I fail to execute some other script when I run "startx" as opposed to starting it from gdm3
08:39<newbie_debian>sorry yes my english bad , my native language is estonia
08:40<jm_>babilen: perhaps compare pstree -l output
08:40<babilen>jm_: But honestly: I just wanted to test n-m and this is turning into much more work than I am currently willing to do on this problem.
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08:41<Kimmag>Okay, i resetted the bios, now its on SCSISelect, how do i get it back to the raid post hingy? (hard to explain)
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08:41<babilen>jm_: But I guess it might be a good idea to figure out what is needed in order to document a clean procedure for n-m on the wiki or in README.Debian
08:42<jm_>babilen: I think the only good idea is to not make it a default :)))
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08:44<babilen>jm_: I agree, but I wanted to know what I am talking about. I tried n-m some years ago and haven't touched it ever since and I wanted to evaluate it once more, given that some DDs seem to be quite fond of it.
08:44<newbie_debian>wheezy debian is good tested ?
08:44<TCW>Kimmag, I guess the hardware documentation may help? :)
08:44<Kimmag>TCW: I found out, thanks anyway!
08:45<Kimmag>A reset on the bios made the keyboard work again.
08:45<tuhin>s_i_m: may i pm u?
08:45<Kimmag>Now it's just to make it boot from the cd agin
08:45<babilen>newbie_debian: It is not and currently quite broken.
08:46<s_i_m>tuhin, better ask on the #channel unless you want to confess your love to me
08:46<tuhin>its abt a hack attempt i think
08:46<tuhin>want to ask some1 who can be trusted
08:46<MrFrood>newbie_debian: stick with stable until you are expeirianced. Both Testing (wheezy) and unstable (sid) are suffering stability issues from the rapid updating going on now that squeeze is stable and testin g has been unfrozen
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08:46<babilen>tuhin: We can all be trusted.
08:47<nevyn>or not.
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08:47<babilen>nevyn: I wasn't talking about you ;)
08:47<tuhin>didnt notice u babilen
08:47<nevyn>which way do you want to go? up or down?
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08:47<tuhin>looks like hackers lurkign here too, not safe......
08:47<nevyn>nah just david bowie fans ;)
08:48<tuhin>i got this message in xchat , dont know what it means "* Received a CTCP CLIENTINFO from nashaib"
08:49<tuhin>i don't know/ever talked with nashaib
08:49<nevyn>umm that's irritating but in the irc protocol.
08:49<TCW>tuhin, a guy named nashaib was just "poking around"
08:49<nevyn>yeah what tcw said.
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08:50<tuhin>what does it achive for him?
08:50<nevyn>tuhin: depends on your client.
08:50<TCW>tuhin, "CLIENTINFO" I guess that means he did ask your IRC client what client it is
08:50<tuhin>xchat 2.8.8 here
08:50<babilen>tuhin: (might be a bit too technical though)
08:51<tuhin>maybe that guy was looking for a weakly secured irc client?
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08:51<nevyn>or buggy one.
08:51<nevyn>an old revision.
08:52<TCW>tuhin, in general, there are several ctcp commands one user can send to another user / client.... like asking for the time, the client version, ping to meassure the roundtrip between two clients... and so on.
08:52<nevyn>someone running irc as root (stupid but it happens)
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08:52<nevyn>tuhin: he might just be a graphing nerd tracking the popularity of various clients on a network or something
08:52<nevyn>but that's probably being generous
08:53<tuhin>what happens if some1 runs irc client as root?
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08:53<nevyn>tuhin: it's a bad move.
08:53<babilen>!irc as root
08:53<dpkg>(from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!"
08:53<tuhin> nashaib sounds like someone from my own country
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09:11<nevyn>I think you still are.
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09:13<zem_1>can someone extract a file from deb archive? because i'm stuck on windows and i need the file to install debian.
09:14<devil>zem_1: mc can do it
09:14<TCW>zem_1, man ar
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09:17<lee-0>Is openoffice now back in Debian? Aptitude wants to update a number of openoffice packages ...
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09:18<nevyn>lee-0: debian has switched to libreoffice
09:18<lee-0>nevyn, I know, that´s why I´m wondering why aptitude wants to update openoffice packages now.
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09:20<MrFrood>try /
09:20<mumble>1st time using irssi
09:20<devil>lee-0: those are empty transitional packages
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09:32<TCW>lee-0, what dist are you using? And I guess those packages are just "transitional" packages.
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09:51<rtheys>when configuring huge pages for kvm virtual machines, how much memory should be left for the host (not-hugepages)?
09:52<lee-0>TCW: Testing --- the description says they are transitional. Seems weird that they are being updated, though ...
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09:53<TCW>lee-0, just don't mind, I'd suggest :) the maintainers could give you a logical explanation if you like :)
09:53<jaimesilva>A bug in Xorg I was asked to report upstream turn out to be a KWin report
09:54<lee-0>Probably :) I guess they might be removed automatically at some time ...
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09:54<jaimesilva>The original bug has been reported as fowarded upstream
09:55<jaimesilva>Should I file a bug report against KWin or will this be managed by the package maintainer?
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09:56<jaimesilva>Sorry, the bug on Xorg turn out to be a bug in KWin
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10:00<SynrG>rtheys: i had no idea what huge pages were until i just now looked it up. but i think your question can be more simply reduced to: "how much memory does a debian system need?" and that varies, depending on what you're running on it.
10:01<SynrG>obviously, if you run a VM + fat desktop with a browser with many tabs open, that's going to be quite different from a lean desktop with a few, light-on-memory things
10:02<rtheys>SynrG: it's a server that only runs the virtual machines, nothing else
10:02<rtheys>except maybe the iSCSI connections for the hosts
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10:02<SynrG>i'm not sure how low you can go on the server, then. maybe 256M? maybe even less.
10:02<SynrG>if you have gobs of memory anyway, it's better to be over-generous
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10:03<SynrG>there is no substitute for good experimentation & observation here
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10:04<rtheys>the server has 32GB and I kept 1GB for the host, but I'm seeing random crashes and don't know if that could be related
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10:10<dEhiN>rthesys: how many vms are you running?
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10:12<rtheys>dEhiN: 4, one with 12GB, one with 2GB, and two with 8GB
10:13<dEhiN>so how much physical mem do you have in total?
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10:14<dEhiN>and you say you only kept 1GB?
10:14<dEhiN>I would keep more...say about 2-3GB
10:15<dEhiN>actually, you're not doing anything on the server except running the vms right?
10:15<dEhiN>then keep 1.5GB
10:15<SynrG>running the VMs carries that much overhead in the host?
10:15<rtheys>why would you say 1.5?
10:15<dEhiN>don't forget - in addition to the mem allocated to the vms, your host uses mem to run the vm (since it's an application)
10:16<SynrG>sure. but that's still quite a bit
10:16<dEhiN>well how many system processes are running on your host?
10:16<rtheys>If I would be running Xen I would be able to keep just 256MB for the host
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10:16<dEhiN>really? hmm...ok, then go with 1GB I guess
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10:17<rtheys>307 total, 3 running, 304 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
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10:17<dEhiN>the random crases are on the server/host? or in the vms?
10:17<rtheys>the host, I never had a single vm crash on its own
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10:18<dEhiN>and what crashes? specific processes?
10:19<rtheys>the box dies. sometimes it still shows a partial BUG or PANIC output, most of the time it doesn't log anything
10:19<dEhiN>well try running with more memory for the host
10:20<dEhiN>I guess depending on the vm solution, the vms themselves may not have that much overhead
10:20<dEhiN>but it sounds to me like your host doesn't have enough memory
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10:20<dEhiN>if you increase to 1.5GB and you still get the crash, then start looking at specific host processes
10:20<rutski>does anyone know how to change the (rather ugly) starts-and-rockets GDM theme that comes with squeeze by default?
10:20<rutski>I can't seem to find anything in the system preferences
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10:23<macsim>hi, top show me pick on %wa how can I found witch process use my IO ? thanks
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10:26<SynrG>rutski: looks like /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults may have something to do with that.
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10:26<babilen>SynrG: yeah, that is explained in the blog post I gave him
10:26<babilen>.... on freenode
10:26<babilen>rutski: Please *don't* cross post :)
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10:28<dEhiN>there's a debian channel on freenode?
10:28<SynrG>always has been. predates this one.
10:28<babilen>dEhiN: Sure, it is even larger than this one (oftc: 476, freenode: 1070)
10:28<babilen>!tell dEhiN about oftc move
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10:30<rutski>babilen: seems sensible to cross post if the two chat rooms have different groups of people
10:30<daemonkeeper>Its not.
10:31<s_i_m>omg, cross-posting discussion on irc :)
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10:31<s_i_m>let us all go back to FidoNet
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10:31<daemonkeeper>You are annoying people, since others won't see replies you received on another channel which makes them wasting their time for helping you even though you have been helped already.
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10:32<daemonkeeper>babilen pointed this out right above
10:32<dEhiN>what about the various other debian-based channels (ie, #debian-kbsd) - do they have freenode equivalents?
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10:32<dEhiN>so I guess it's better to stay with oftc for debian support of all kinds?
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10:32<daemonkeeper>OFTC is fine, as is Freenode.
10:33<boscaiolo>I'm stuck with 2.6.32 kernel -- not able to startup. Have squeeze installed and runing with 2.6.30 (though no wifi) but booting the 2.6.32 freezes near the end
10:33<stefanos90>hello, i am instaling debian on virtual box and iit has stoped, it says retrieving file 10 of 12. Select and install software. And the minutes go from 10 to 20 and reverse
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10:33<daemonkeeper>Only thing is points to OFTC, but #debian on Freenode has the same bots, the same rules and in large parts the same people
10:33<s_i_m>boscaiolo, the last messages you see?
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10:34<stefanos90>hello, i am instaling debian on virtual box and iit has stoped, it says retrieving file 10 of 12. Select and install software. And the minutes go from 10 to 20 and reverse
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10:34<boscaiolo> I get to [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: 0xC38E: parsing output script =
10:34<boscaiolo>sory script 0
10:34<s_i_m>stefanos90, we are not blind, no need to repeat
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10:35<stefanos90>i also included the link..
10:35<dvs>boscaiolo: dpkg -l udev
10:35<boscaiolo>the wifi has already started at this point which is why I'm keen to solve it
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10:37<boscaiolo>s_i_m: it draws a rectangle of colored lines in the centre of the screen and freezes. Have to remove the battery to restart
10:37<SynrG>stefanos90: maybe the error log contains some info. ctrl-alt-f3, i believe
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10:37<babilen>s_i_m: fidonet ♥ -- I miss CrossPoint and exhaustive point and node lists </offtopic>
10:38<Kimmag>How do I boot from a CD on a poweredge 2650? The BIOS order is correct, but still it won't boot the cd.
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10:38<Kimmag>It's debian on it from before
10:38<Kimmag>It only loads the GRUB menu
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10:39<stefanos90><SynrG> i run ubuntu and installing on virtual box.. why go to console mode?
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10:39<SynrG>Kimmag: if you can't get *any* CD to boot, i would say that it's outside of the scope of what we can help with. see the vendor for the system
10:39<SynrG>or whoever you have a support agreement with
10:39<Kimmag>I can get it to boot, but I don't know the key combination or the place to go to make it do it. (It does boot some times, but not when I want it to.)
10:40<SynrG>i've already indicated i think this is a hardware problem.
10:40<Kimmag>Well.. Okay, I'll try to change the optical drive then
10:40<boscaiolo>dvs: I'll get on to that as soon as I reboot in debian (using gentoo temporarily...)
10:40<SynrG>there are other kinds of failure than just the optical drive itself. motherboard, for example.
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10:41<SynrG>but replacing the optical drive (and/or cables) is a good start.
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10:42<SynrG>stefanos90: in the virtual system. you need to grab keyboard first in the guest
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10:42<SynrG>stefanos90: that's where debian-installer logs its messages
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10:45<stefanos90><SynrG> i didn't do that you said but now it finished that step
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10:46<SynrG>stefanos90: then you have no problem, hm?
10:46<xxx>hello all it is my first time on IRC.
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10:46<stefanos90><SynrG> at the moment no
10:46<SynrG>flaky network connection?
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10:49<richard>ok, back: dpkg -l udev gives 'Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
10:49<richard>| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
10:49<richard>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
10:49<richard>||/ Nome Versione Descrizione
10:50<richard>ii udev 164-3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon
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10:50<iceweasel>does debian hav ea firewall?
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10:51<Kimmag>bY the way, cdroom, is that always (hd0,0)?
10:52<boscaiolo>oops -- arrived back with different nick. Re my previous problem with 2.6.32, dpkg -l udev shows 'ii udev 164-3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon'
10:53<boscaiolo>but I thought the squeeze is completely up to date
10:53<iceweasel>how do I free a port?
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10:54<SynrG>boscaiolo: hint: only one line of output was needed, the one about udev, and more than a couple of lines should go to, not to the channel
10:54<boscaiolo>yes, sorry. got lazy as it was only 5 lines
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10:58<boscaiolo>The other reason I would like to upgrade to 2.6.32 is that I cannot install the nvidia driver while the gcc doesn't match the kernel
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10:58<alumno_>saludos hamigos
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11:01<s_i_m>boscaiolo, most likely, you have to disable nouveau at boot. try rdblacklist=nouveau or nouveau.modeset=0 at the kernel command line
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11:02<evaluate>module-assistant tries to install 'linux-headers-2.6.35-28-generic' but this package doesn't seem to exist and thus module-assistant fails. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?
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11:03<s_i_m>evaluate, is this on sid?
11:03<boscaiolo>s_i_m: Thanks. I guess that has to go in the lilo.conf then.
11:03<evaluate>s_i_m, no, wheezy.
11:03<s_i_m>boscaiolo, you may also edit that line at the boot prompt
11:04<s_i_m>(i forgot however how that is done with lilo)
11:04<boscaiolo>in grub I know that is possible, but I am not sure about lilo
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11:05<boscaiolo>I was scared off grub when the menu.lit got replaced by a whole directory of files
11:05<boscaiolo>.list, I mean of course
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11:08<Kimmag>Can I format harddrives from the GRUB command line ?
11:09<evaluate>Also, I'm not sure why packages.d.o lists 2.6.38-2 to be the latest version of the kernel in wheezy, but debootstrap installed 2.6.35-28... :-\
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11:10<boscaiolo>s_i_m thanks! I was just getting there from the man page. Just need to tab it seems. I'll try it now
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11:13<man>Hello, everyone!
11:13<man>Could anybody tell about the plans regarding gtk3 and debian?
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11:14<man>I haven't found any libgtk3* package in any distro...
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11:16<s_i_m>man, gnome3 is currently in experimental, if I am not mistaken
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11:17<man>s_i_m: gnome3 is, indeed, experimental. Does that mean that support for gtk3 will not come to Debian for now?
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11:18<s_i_m>i wrote "in experimental", not "experimental"
11:18<MrFrood>man: read the last two blog posts over @
11:18<man>s_i_m: Oh! good news! Thanks!
11:19<grummund>Hi, what's a good way to test the connection speed between two boxes connected on a local network ?
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11:19<man>MrFrood: perfect. Thank you.
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11:20<costas>hello all, back to stable squeeze here...
11:20<costas>!beer dpkg
11:20*dpkg pours a pint of Gulden Drak for dpkg
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11:28<boscaiolo>s_i_m: Well done! I added rdblacklist=nouveau as an 'append' in lilo.conf (and yes I did remember to run lilo) but this had no effect. However, nouveau.modeset=0 at the command line worked a charm
11:29<boscaiolo>Now what is nouveau and do I need it at all?
11:29<s_i_m>well, yesterday that first option did not work too for one soul.
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11:30<s_i_m>boscaiolo, that is a kernel video mode setting module for nvidia cards (open source version)
11:31<Kimmag>Grub version 1,98, debian, how can i enter single user to recover root password there? I can't even see the line with "kernel" there.
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11:31<s_i_m>boscaiolo, you do not need it if you plan to use the blob from nvidia.
11:31<towo`>Kimmag, hit e
11:31<boscaiolo>oh! so I guess I can uninstall it and try to get the nvidia proprietary driver running.
11:32<boscaiolo>the blob, exactly
11:32<s_i_m>you cannot uninstal it, but you may blocklist it as usual.
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11:32<boscaiolo>s_i_m: oh, ok
11:33<towo`>and you can nouveau.modeset=0 as append in lolo.conf
11:33<Kimmag>Towo`: I tried, but it doesnt say kernel there either, but I putted Single after "Quite" command, and now it does something stuff :p
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11:33<boscaiolo>towo`: yep -- I'll try that too
11:34<boscaiolo>interesting -- looking in aptitude, I see a lot of nouveau libraries , none of which are installed
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11:35<towo`>nouveau is a kernelmodule
11:35<boscaiolo>I see
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11:36<boscaiolo>So I could in theory recompile without it. But I shan't -- my kernels always panic
11:36<towo`>then you do anything wrong
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11:37<towo`>ant btw, blacklist or disabling kms for nouveau is enougth, no recompiling needed
11:37<s_i_m>full ack
11:38<boscaiolo>thanks both
11:38<s_i_m>(I blacklist it on this laptop too)
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11:38<boscaiolo>now the wifi light is on on this laptop, all I need ois to sort out the atheros AR5001 modules apparently
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11:41<boscaiolo>I should have run irssi in screen -- have to quit to leave X. Back soon...
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11:58<costas>!beer dpkg
11:58*dpkg pulls out a tasty Green Flash IPA for dpkg
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12:07<s_i_m>!beer s_i_m
12:07*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for s_i_m
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12:10<boscaiolo>oh dear, next problem. nVidia driver won't install because installed version of gcc is 4.4 and kernel is compiled with 4.3
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12:11<boscaiolo>still true with the 2.6.32 kernel
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12:12<boscaiolo>I tried uninstalling gcc-4.4, but now the nvidia installer complains about no cc on path.
12:12<Kennix>If you are installing from Nvidia's binary you can just answer no to the gcc version and it will install ok...
12:13<boscaiolo>really? -- I'll try that
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12:13<Kennix>Yes, that is what I do all the time after blacklistin the nouvea driver
12:13<babilen>boscaiolo: and there are better methods to install the nvidia drivers ; /msg dpkg nvidia ; /msg dpkg nvidia dkms ; /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks
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12:14<babilen>Kennix: Yeah, nvidia's little old ladies will bork your system if you use their driver
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12:15<boscaiolo>so how should I go?
12:15<babilen>boscaiolo: I just told you. /msg dpkg nvidia will give you complete instructions on how to installed the nvidia dkms drivers on squeeze+
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12:16<babilen>err, /msg dpkg nvidia dkms that is (provided you don't need one of the legacy ones)
12:16<Kennix>lol, yeah
12:16<johns>so, since recently in unstable, e100e isn't working for me -- lshw shows the driver assigned to the hardware, but I have no link light, and dmesg shows ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
12:16<johns>e1000e rather
12:16<Kennix>I have never had a problem with Nvidia is always ATI that tanks my system
12:17<babilen>johns: works fine here fwiw
12:18<johns>babilen: 2.6.38?
12:18<babilen>johns: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:109a] + e1000e
12:18<babilen>johns: yes
12:19<johns>babilen: 82567LM here
12:19<boscaiolo>babilen: thanks -- going there now
12:19<babilen>johns: I am on a gigabit uplink and don't experience any problem at all. I know that probably doesn't help you with your problem, just wanted to note it. Are you sure the cable/uplink/switch/router are OK?
12:20<johns>babilen: well, there's not even a link light
12:20<babilen>johns: cable plugged in (both sides) ?
12:20<johns>I guess I should check the cable, but it was working last week
12:21<babilen>johns: What changed in the meanwhile -- You might also want to try another NIC to confirm that the problem is the 82567LM or the software of the box in question.
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12:22<johns>babilen: there was a dist-upgrade and a reboot over the weekend
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12:23<boscaiolo>what's dkms?
12:23<babilen>!tell boscaiolo about dkms
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12:24<babilen>johns: The log of that upgrade would come in handy too. But I would test the link with another box/laptop first to confirm that it is actually a software problem.
12:24<babilen>johns: You might want to check the BTS in the meanwhile
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12:25<johns>babilen: sigh, bad cable, my second one in as many months..
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12:27<babilen>johns: Wonderful! (as in: the e1000e and your NIC are not fucked)
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12:27<johns>babilen: Yeah, definitely a better result and I didn't waste too much time on it :)
12:28<babilen>I'm glad I didn't go the software route with you first :)
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12:31<boscaiolo> I got errors in istallation of libgl1-nvidia-alternatives
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12:38<babilen>boscaiolo: show us (complete and exact commands + output) →
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12:44<boscaiolo>babilen: here is the relevant bit -- sorry that this box is set in italian, but I'm sure you can follow the important things
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12:46<daemonkeeper>boscaiolo: Prepend LC_ALL=C before your commands to get English (hardcoded C) output
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12:47<babilen>boscaiolo: Did you ever use the nvidia installer?
12:48<daemonkeeper>babilen: "#update-alternatives: errore: il percorso alternativo /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/ non esiste." == /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/ was not found on the system
12:48<daemonkeeper>i.e. he has a dangling alternative
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12:49<boscaiolo>babilen: yes, previously had no serious problems (other than moral) with it
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12:52<babilen>boscaiolo: Well, that is your problem. The installer (semi-) randomly overwrites files and breaks the alternatives system. Have to go, ciao!
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13:00<boscaiolo>well, I wonder what I have to delete to allow it to install correctly
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13:01<dinosawwr>Hey guys, in this command does the ${VERSION} variable mean the kernel version?
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13:02<dinosawwr>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
13:02<dinosawwr>>mfw ctrlshift+v doesn't work.
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13:03<webad_13>anyone good with vim here?
13:03<dinosawwr>sorry webad_13, emacs :3
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13:05<boscaiolo>webad_13: try me on vim...
13:07<dinosawwr>Don't bother answering my question folks, was stupid.
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13:07<webad_13>boscaiolo, I am trying to pipe output of a selection of code from vim to stata
13:07<webad_13>in some way that I would not have to invoke stata each time for each piece of code
13:08<webad_13>what other options aside from !stata .... do I have in vim
13:08<boscaiolo>no, above my head -- never tried anything like that
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13:12<rpetre>webad_13: in visual mode? try :!stata
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13:24<boscaiolo>looks as though I am completely up the creek with nvidia then. Cannot uninstall or install it now.
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13:29<Peetz0r>Hi, I have problems with a very old laptop grapics chip and composite output
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13:30<tjader>That's a nice desk.
13:30<Peetz0r>The chip is a ATI RAGE LT Pro
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13:31<Peetz0r>'s not my desk
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13:34<webad_13>rpetre, !stata would run an instance of stata and once this is is done then what...
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13:35<rpetre>webad_13: i am not familiar with the stata utility, is there a command you can run with the desired text in stdin?
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13:36<webad_13>well, while in stata u can do !`cat` and it will run those commands - basically it can run stdout of anything
13:36<webad_13>but, how do I get vim to redirect to stdout
13:36<webad_13>I don't think it is meant for that
13:36<The-U>Hi, i just wanted to install Wheezy by Netboot on USB-Stick. After the installation the system boots and gives me the error: "startpa: udev failed" and then the gdm comes and i cant use my mouse or my keyboard - anybody here who knows whats wrong with the installation
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13:38<rpetre>webad_13: so you have this stata program running (i still don't know what it does, i assume it's a daemon) and vim in parralel, and you want to send a selection from vim to stata?
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13:38<webad_13>yes, that would be one way - is it possible to basically send buffer to stdout from vim
13:39<rpetre>try a fifo
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13:40<webad_13>rpetre, wouldn't that be piping to vim not out of vim?
13:40<rpetre>mkfifo /tmp/my_pipe , then :w /tmp/my_pipe from vim, then open /tmp/my_pipe from stata
13:40<rpetre>webad_13: vim is not a filter, if you want a non-interactive editor, try sed
13:41<rpetre>or maybe ex, if you want vim commands
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13:41<rpetre>i was thinking of writing to the fifo from vim and reading from stata
13:41<webad_13>rpetre, I need syntax highlighting... and also got accustomed to vim
13:42<webad_13>yeah, that's not that bad idea, in that case I don't have to run vim from stata
13:42<webad_13>I could have two processes separate
13:42<rpetre>there probably are some vim scripts that help dumping selections or buffers to the fifo, but you probably want two different sessions
13:43<rpetre>and predefine that fifo somewhere (unless stata already does some socket in /var/run or whatever)
13:43<webad_13>well basically I am trying to emulate ctrl+D which runs selected code into stata
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13:43<webad_13>I could also create normal temp file and then just cat it in stata
13:44<webad_13>comes to be the same really
13:44<rpetre>isn't there a wrapper that gets the stdin and sends it to stata?
13:44<aussa>hi, I'm trying to mount a ntfs partition on boot, make read-write, and for normal users, this is the line I added in fstab: "/dev/sda5 /media/data ntfs rw,auto,user,exec 0 0" what am I missing?
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13:45<rpetre>aussa: if you run "mount /media/data", what error do you get?
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13:46<webad_13>rpetre, I guess I am not that experienced with stata myself - I don't know of other way apart from creating temp file and basically running it separatelly
13:46<webad_13>but I'll try to google if there is a wrapper, that would be convenient really
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13:47<rpetre>webad_13: it can probably be done as a simple shell script
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13:48<rpetre>webad_13: take care that :! replaces the selection with the output of the script, you may or may not want that ;)
13:49<Peetz0r>Hi, I have problems with a very old laptop grapics chip and composite output: The chip is a ATI RAGE LT Pro
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13:57<webad_13>rpetre, thanx for all the help - this is a workable solution for me - at least for now
13:57<rpetre>you're welcome
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13:59<patrunjel>guys, you have a clue how can i change the hashing algorythm used for my password?
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14:00<rpetre>patrunjel: /etc/login.defs , ENCRYPT_METHOD
14:01<patrunjel>I mean, where is actually located the piece of code that contains the hashing algo, and in wich languagt it's written (C or bash :) )
14:01<patrunjel>oh, thanks :)
14:01<rpetre>patrunjel: shadow-utils, i believe
14:02<patrunjel>webad_13, thanks for the link, but i wanted to write the algorithm manually and actually replace my source code with the distro's code :)
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14:03<webad_13>patrunjel, wow that is something :)
14:04<patrunjel>rpetre, i don't understand... I mean, in login.defs i don't have nothing
14:04<rpetre>patrunjel: start with /usr/include/crypt.h
14:04<rpetre>the actual code is in glibc's source
14:04<patrunjel>just some stuff, and the info that the options are not handled by shadow anymore
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14:05<rpetre>yeah, sorry, i misunderstood the question :)
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14:05<patrunjel>np, thanks a lot for the info :)
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14:06<rpetre>patrunjel: i sure hope you don't intend to use a "modified hashing algorithm" in anything production related
14:06<patrunjel>what do you mean by production related? :)
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14:07<patrunjel>you mean like in the production of the hash?
14:07<rpetre>anything else than a homework :P
14:07<rpetre>just link to the crypt library and use that, trust me
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14:08<patrunjel>oh, it's not homework, i'm studying crypto, and thought it would be a nice thing to do :) i usualy get this kind of ideas and i just do them :)
14:08<patrunjel>even if they are less efficient or 100 times stupider or stuff :P
14:08<rpetre>anyway, don't get tempted into "improving the algorithms"
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14:09<patrunjel>this kinda things are, in my oppinion, the bast ways of learning :) (and reinstalling linux at least two times a week :)) )
14:10<patrunjel>well, i can make a backup of the original file :)
14:10<rpetre>the public ones have been through a lot of peer review and have been proven mathematically to withstand various attacks
14:10<patrunjel>i'm curious what hacker would spend his GPU time to break my password just to give full disclosure of what? a pr0n site? :))
14:10<rpetre>tuning the algorithms is very likely to induce vulnerabilities you may not notice
14:11<ml|>locsmif: did you see the bugreport?
14:11<patrunjel>i'm not doing it to make my computer more secure :) i just do it...because :P
14:11<Kimmag>Poweredge 2650 - Can this computer install debian via internet? Is it compitable?
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14:11<locsmif>ml|: nope?
14:12<locsmif>What's the news?
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14:12<rpetre>patrunjel: ok, don't say i didn't warn you
14:12<ml|>locsmif: take a look
14:12<ml|>that works for me as you can see
14:13<rpetre>also, read the comments at before writing anything :)
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14:13<patrunjel>rpetre, ok :P
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14:14<ml|>Kimmag: provide more info to get an answer
14:14<locsmif>Ah, I had already acquainted myself with c_rehash, I'll try that in a bit
14:14<locsmif>I ran into it source diving
14:14<locsmif>There's POD documentation for lots in the source pkg
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14:14<rpetre>locsmif: source diving into openssl is an extreme sport :)
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14:14<Kimmag>Well, I can't boot CD's or USB installs on my poweredge 2650, (because I odn't know how to boot from CD or usb.) So I wonder if I can install debian via internet, because I don't have the root password or aynthing to it.
14:14<locsmif>But I couldn't get though the code, it was a nightmare
14:15<locsmif>rpetre: well, speak of the devil ^^^
14:15<rpetre>see no devil, hear no devil, run wrappers on the devil
14:15<locsmif>I did find one C file that seems to handle adding directories to the ceritficate store
14:16<locsmif>But eventually it all goes to functions which call other functions which call other functions which call macros which are aliased, then aliased again and shared with >100 other commands... maddening
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14:16<rpetre>locsmif: see update-ca-certificates, and make a note that it gulps anything in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates , this bit of info saved my sanity
14:17<locsmif>rpetre: what do you mean by "gulps" =) ? Destroys? Updates?
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14:17<rpetre>locsmif: trusts, in this case :)
14:18<rpetre>just throw your ca's pem in there and run u-c-c
14:18<locsmif>rpetre: oh wait
14:18<rpetre>it does all the funky rehashing for you
14:18<locsmif>Yeah I ran into that too
14:18<locsmif>Well it just concatenates them all
14:19<locsmif>Soembody showed a oneliner to do that in #irssi, we put that in the bugreport as a 'workaround' heh
14:19<rpetre>otoh, i didn't really got your actual problem :)
14:19<locsmif>rpetre: see bugrepor
14:19<rpetre>i was just ranting at openssl :)
14:19<locsmif>rpetre: np, you're very welcome to rant
14:19<locsmif>I like ranting at "konversation"
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14:20<locsmif>And its inferior /exec function
14:20<ml|>yes and ranting at correct package[openssl] ;)
14:20<rpetre>locsmif: oh, apparently the u-c-c script doesn't do quite the right thing when certs are modified
14:21<locsmif>ml|: if I have to run c_rehash after d-u, that's a bug, as far as I'm concerned
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14:21<rpetre>but i tend to forgive a lot to anybody that gets in close proximity to openssl
14:21<locsmif>ha ha
14:21<locsmif>ml|: let's try
14:21<locsmif>ml|: did you run c_rehash inside /etc/ssl/certs/ ?
14:21<ml|>locsmif: d-u?
14:22<locsmif>ml|: dist-upgrade
14:22<Kimmag>Well, I can't boot CD's or USB installs on my poweredge 2650, (because I odn't know how to boot from CD or usb.) So I wonder if I can install debian via internet, because I don't have the root password or aynthing to it.
14:22<ml|>locsmif: that is what I did.. 'c_rehash /etc/ssl/certs/'
14:22<rpetre>locsmif: if you can identify what was the exact case (something in /usr/share/ca-certificates and your cert chain got updated/removed/added) include that bit in the bugreport
14:22<locsmif>Right, nice of the dev to mention that ;-)
14:22<ml|> and +b1 works just fine now
14:23<locsmif>Okay, will duplicate what you did.
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14:23<Class>hello :))
14:23<Class>how can is top my iptables ? its not under init.d
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14:24<rpetre>Class: what started it?
14:24<locsmif>ml|: that fixed it for me
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14:24<JohnDoe>I use Debian testing and can't install the Catalyst 11.3 GPU driver. It crashes with the error message: "[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to build fglrx-8.831.2 with DKMS". Any solution?
14:24<ml|>locsmif: great, add to the bugreport please :)
14:24<Class>rpetre, i dunno
14:25<JohnDoe> (it isn't my pastebin entry but it's exactly the same error message I get)
14:25<rpetre>Class: debian doesn't come with a default firewall script, either you installed a package (like shorewall) or a script
14:25<juu>I shpanish
14:26<juu>por favor habla en español
14:26<locsmif>ml|: yes, due to some mail peculiarities, this might take 15 mins (POP checking interval restrictions)
14:26<ml|>dpkg: es juu
14:26<dpkg>juu: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:26<rpetre>JohnDoe: can you pastebin your console? it may be due to a lot of things, like missing headers or whatever
14:26<locsmif>(Just moved the incoming mail from the dev out of the spam box into inbox via webmail)
14:26<Class>rpetre, i did not its not my system i'm just tying to figure out how this is setup
14:27<ml|>locsmif: thanks for the help :)
14:27<JohnDoe>rpetre, which part of the console?
14:27<JohnDoe>rpetre, the pastebin above is the error message log file created by the installer
14:28<rpetre>Class: there are a number of popular methods, like a custom init script, or a package like shorewall or ufw, or a hook in /etc/network/interfaces, or a rc.local (ugh) script
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14:28<locsmif>ml|: np
14:28<rpetre>JohnDoe: the final message is the same for a number of different reasons
14:28<rpetre>i want to see what the above lines say on _your_ system
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14:28<Peetz0r>Hi, I have problems with a very old laptop grapics chip and composite output: The chip is a ATI RAGE LT Pro
14:28<locsmif>ml|: so somehow c_rehash must not have happened after d-u or something?
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14:29<ml|>locsmif: tes, seems they need to that on openssl upgrades
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14:30<JohnDoe>rpetre, it just sais "DKMS part of installation failed. Please refer to /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log for details"
14:30<ml|>locsmif: yes, seems they need to add that on openssl upgrades*
14:30<rpetre>JohnDoe: .. and what does that log file say?
14:30<JohnDoe>the content of the log file is pasted above in the pastebin url
14:30<rpetre>you said that's somebody else's
14:31<JohnDoe>yes but I checked it against's exactly the same
14:31<locsmif>ml|: strange happenings, like a naked lunch on LSD
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14:34<rpetre>JohnDoe: in that case, it seems there's a problem with the actual module building, try running that and see if it gives any output
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14:36<locsmif>ml|: how do I check that irssi is indeed running in SSL
14:36<locsmif>I could start sniffing glue
14:37<locsmif>But I doubt that would help
14:37<JohnDoe>rpetre, it sais: /tmp/atipackage/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘fglrx_pci_suspend’:
14:37<JohnDoe>/tmp/atipackage/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:851:9: error: implicit declaration of function ‘acquire_console_sem’
14:37<locsmif>It did just succeed in connecting.
14:38<JohnDoe>seems like in 2.6.38 some functions regarding the BKL were removed (is the BKL still there anyway?)
14:38<rpetre>JohnDoe: sorry then, i thought it would be something simpler :) try asking the guys in #ati
14:38<rpetre>(the dpkg factoid recommended it)
14:38<JohnDoe>rpetre, thanks
14:38<rpetre>ugh, freenode's #ati
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14:44<ml|>locsmif: do a /whois on yourself
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14:45<ml|>locsmif: also the Z mode means your are using ssl as well
14:46<Class>rpetre, i cant find it anywhere. i have found the configuration file its located in /etc/iptables.rule
14:46<locsmif>ml|: thank you, then it's confirmed
14:46<Peetz0r>Hi, I have problems with a very old laptop grapics chip and composite output: The chip is a ATI RAGE LT Pro
14:46<Class>and also i can see uap0 interface what is this ?
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14:46<Class>kinda wired interface name
14:46<user1>anyone use xmonad?
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14:47<ml|>locsmif: great, let enjoy our ssl goodness :)
14:47<aussa>anyone using xbindkeys? can't get it to wokr... :S
14:47<JohnDoe>user1, who would use software written in Haskell anyway?
14:47<chealer>JohnDoe: which Debian suite do you use?
14:48<JohnDoe>I use lxde
14:48<user1>just mucking around
14:48<user1>I use lxde aswell
14:48<user1>but looking for a tiled manager
14:48<JohnDoe>did you try ion?
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14:49<locsmif>ml|: =)
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14:50<user1>nice suggestion
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14:50<Class>i have found iptables in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables
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14:50<Class>when open it in vim i see there iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
14:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 502] by debhelper
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14:51<Class>so as i guess it loads the /etc/iptables.rules each time the networking is restarted
14:51<Class>am i right ?
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14:51<chealer>JohnDoe: which Debian branch/version/release do you use?
14:51<ml|>locsmif: btw, you might want to set up sasl as well, it is easy...
14:52<locsmif>ml|: ty for the tip
14:52<JohnDoe>chealer, Debian testing
14:52<JohnDoe>on x86_64
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14:54<chealer>JohnDoe: which Linux image do you use?
14:55<chealer>amd64, I suppose?
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14:57<JohnDoe>2.6.38-2-amd64 #1 SMP
14:57<JohnDoe>the function lock_kernel is missing
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14:58<JohnDoe>I guess it has something to do with the BKL disabled in 2.6.38
14:58<chealer>JohnDoe: which Debian architecture do you use, i386 or amd64?
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15:00<Kimmag>If I take "Erase Disc" inside the Adaptec Raid Configuration utulity, that means that I delete everything on the disc, right ?
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15:00<JohnDoe>if it takes more than 1 hour: yes ;)
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15:01<JohnDoe>Kimmag, use dban if in doubt
15:01<Kimmag>I can't access the debian
15:01<Kimmag>so I'm formatting it instead
15:01<Kimmag>so I can install a new session of debian
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15:01<JohnDoe>well if you just want to format it, you don't need to erase the whole disk
15:01<Kimmag>too late..
15:02<Kimmag>I couldn't access anything
15:02<Kimmag>Couldn't even boot from disc
15:02<chealer>JohnDoe: there must be more to your problem, but I guess you can report a bug
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15:03<JohnDoe>chealer, I found out now. In the 2.6.38 kernel in Debian, the Big Kernel Lock (a locking mechanism) is disabled. The ATI driver relies on this lock.
15:04<towo`>not the fglrx-driver in debian (testing/sid)
15:04<JohnDoe>it calls the function lock_kernel (which is a BKL function) in the function void ATI_API_CALL KCL_GlobalKernelLock(void) in firegl_public.c
15:04<JohnDoe>I use the "official" driver from the ATI website.
15:05<JohnDoe>Catalyst 11.3 (the most recent one)
15:05<towo`>the fglrx-package from debioan is patched to work without bkl
15:05<JohnDoe>oh, ok
15:05<JohnDoe>is it the proprietary Catalyst driver?
15:05<towo`>and in debian, 11-3 is there
15:05<towo`>no one supports the crappy installer from ati
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15:05<towo`>fglrx is allways the propritary blob
15:06<JohnDoe>thanks, I'll install fglrx-driver now
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15:11<Kimmag>Okay I got a big problem.. It wont boot from hdd, usb OR cd now..
15:11<Kimmag>Hdd is fully formatted
15:11<Kimmag>but it still won't (it runs adaptec raid)
15:12<JohnDoe>can you access the computer?
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15:13<JohnDoe>it should boot from USB or CD as they don't have anything to do with the HDD...did you explicitly select USB or CD at the boot-device selection menu?
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15:14<Kimmag>Oh, now i made it to boot from CD
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15:14<Kimmag>Thanks anyway, I made it work, i turned of Raid ! : )
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15:20<aussa>recommended pdf viewer?
15:20<Kimmag>Okay, now it wont boot again wtf
15:20<devilman>okular en kde, evince en gnome
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15:25<cthuluh>also, mupdf & zathura
15:26<this_is_me>my /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog are constantly flooded with error messages (about 2-3 per second !!!). Any idea why?
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15:27<devil>this_is_me: a usb-device or port is freaking out
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15:27<this_is_me>devil: :)
15:27<devil>i am serious
15:28<this_is_me>I thought it was some problem with the PS/2 keyboard...
15:28<devil>this_is_me: what usb-devices are connected?
15:29<this_is_me>devil: none, but my mom unplugged USB-memory-sticks without unmounting them first several times
15:29<jhutchins_lt>this_is_me: An obvious method would be to disconnect things one at a time.
15:29<devil>this_is_me: does the prob survive a reboot?
15:29<this_is_me>did already reboot
15:30<devil>this_is_me: what happens if you replug the usb-stick?
15:30<this_is_me>the same
15:30<devil>hm, no matter what port?
15:30<this_is_me>the problem persists a few days now. We have already connected several USB devices in between
15:31<devil>and none work?`
15:31<this_is_me>i'll check
15:32<devil>the system obviously thinks, a new usb-device is connected. as this is not true, you get those messages
15:32<devil>either the usb controller is broken or badly hung.
15:33<Kimmag>Uhm, what installer do I need if my server is i686?
15:33<devil>which should not survive a reboot
15:33<this_is_me>all usb ports work
15:33<devil>this_is_me: with any device?
15:33<this_is_me>devil: a USB-memory-key
15:33<devil>oh, thats the only device?
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15:33<this_is_me>devil: yes
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15:34<devil>this_is_me: you can mount/umount it and the errors stay?
15:34<this_is_me>devil: yes
15:34<Kimmag>There is no "i686" on the debian site, only nearest i can see is i386
15:34<devil>you would have to try on all usb-ports
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15:34<this_is_me>Kimmag: those two are compatible
15:34<Kimmag>So I can take i386? Cuz i tried amd64
15:35<this_is_me>Kimmag: amd64 works only with Intel and AMD 64 bit processors
15:35<devil>amd64 will not even boot on a 32-bit system
15:35<Kimmag>Oh.. But it's 3gb ram
15:35<Kimmag>i thought i had to take 64 lol
15:35<Kimmag>and i got a message from the owner to take 64
15:35<this_is_me>devil: I tried a USB stick on all ports. Do you really think the problem goes away if I try other USB devies?
15:35<devil>Kimmag: 3 GB are fine with 32-bit
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15:36<devil>Kimmag: > 4 are not
15:36<devil>this_is_me: i am just stirring the mist
15:36<Kimmag>Devil: The owner told me to take 64bit, so that's kinda weird..
15:36<Kimmag>So I have to try boot the godadmn cd's who boots when THEY want..
15:37<this_is_me>Kimmag: The owner told you to use 64 bit software on 32 bit systems?
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15:37<devil>this_is_me: i would mount/umount all usb-devices on all ports you used since the prob exists
15:37<Kimmag>Well.. Yeah, he said it would... Work..
15:37<Kimmag>He said amd64
15:37<Kimmag>and i just ... okay..
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15:37<devil>Kimmag: are you here with that box?
15:37<this_is_me>devil: I do not need to unmount a USB printer, do I?
15:37<Kimmag>Can that be the reason that the CD won't boot aswell?
15:37<devil>this_is_me: no
15:37<Kimmag>The server? yes.
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15:38<tal>Hi I faild install grub from debian installer(many times...) how can I install it manually?
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15:38<devil>Kimmag: uname -a on that boxy says what?
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15:38<Kimmag>I can't access anything
15:38<Kimmag>It's totally formatted
15:38<devilman>tal with a live CD
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15:38<Kimmag>It won't boot the cd's when i want it to, it maybe boots them 1 of 50 times
15:38<tal>can I use Ubuntu Live CD?
15:39<devil>apt-get install grub-common grub-pc
15:39<tal>and it will work?
15:39<devil>Kimmag: if its a 32-bit machine, it will not boot 64-bit iso.
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15:39<devil>Kimmag: but it will tell you why
15:39<tal>I mean 64
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15:40<devil>tal: you mean why it wont boot?
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15:40<tal>Please see:
15:40<devil>wrong architecture?
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15:41<devil>it will work vice versa though
15:41<Gathond>tal: because much as human languages CPU's only speak a couple of them, and a 32 bit only intel CPU does not speak AMD64
15:41<tal>Now I see he told me install lilo
15:41<Gathond>hence everything is just gibberish for it
15:41<devil>tal: lilo is a tad old
15:41<tal>I have 64 machine and 64 disk
15:41<Gathond>then things will be fine
15:42<devil>tal: i would install it only for special reasons
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15:42<tal>The guy over there(forums) told me it work, but I also don't wanna install LILO
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15:43<tal>Can I use Ubuntu Live CD(son't have debian Live)
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15:43<devil>tal: sure
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15:43<tal>and how will it install it on/dev/sda4 while in live?
15:43<devil>tal: you probably need to chroot to it
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15:44<tal>U can see I have dual boot
15:44<tal>can I speak with you in private?
15:44<devil>tal: leave it in the channel please
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15:45<devilman>when use live cd, grub-update
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15:45<devil>devilman: if grub is installed
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15:46<devilman>yes, grub installed in live CD
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15:46<yfk>what's the command to reconfigure X?
15:46<devilman>this grub-update install in MBR
15:47<devilman>dpkg-reconfigure xorg
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15:47<devilman>or xorg --configure
15:47<yfk>devilsman, thanks
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15:47<tal>so first, how to make dev/sda4 to /?
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15:48<devil>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:49<lobster123>I am confused. The manpage of the hosts file in section 5 states "They must begin with an alphabetic character and end with an alphanumeric character." Here in Germany there exists a domain named "". So is the statement in the manpage wrong?
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15:51<tal>Sorry I've been laggi
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15:58<Stephen_Smally>hi men, a question, it's wrong create deb with dpkg-deb --build?
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16:00<Stephen_Smally>anyone know?
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16:01<edbian>I have a machine with a public facing dynamic IP and I have a FQDN. I'd like to point a subdomain at this IP. Is there some way I can have it automatically change when the dynamic IP changes?
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16:02<retrospectacus>edbian: setup dynamic DNS and use a CNAME to it for the subdomain
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16:02<locsmif>edbian: yeah dyndns
16:02<edbian>retrospectacus: I bought the domain with godaddy. Do I have to use ?
16:03<retrospectacus>home IN CNAME
16:03<retrospectacus>you don't have to
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16:03<dpkg>No-IP is a dynamic DNS service provider. The update clients packaged for Debian are inadyn and noip2. The update client (noip2) is not part of Squeeze due to Debian bug #601220.
16:03<tal>Sorry I had a serios lag in pidgin
16:03<retrospectacus>that's what I use anyways
16:04<edbian>retrospectacus: noip2 ?
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16:04<edbian>I have no package noip2 for what it's worth
16:05<edbian>installing inadyn now
16:06<edbian>Do I have to use a 3rd party site like dyndns or or can I use godaddy alone?
16:06<retrospectacus>you'll need to create an account with (whatever dyndns service inadyn is for)
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16:06<retrospectacus>e.g. (just a guess)
16:07<edbian>retrospectacus: inadyn can use multiple. but thanks that's clear enough. godaddy alone doesn't support dynamic IPs
16:07<retrospectacus>then configure your inadyn client to keep them up to date
16:07<edbian>Should I just migrate my domain name to inadyn or dyndns?
16:07<retrospectacus>nope and I'm not sure if you can create CNAME records through them
16:07<retrospectacus>not sure
16:08<edbian>ok thanks
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16:57<webad_13>does anyone know how to send keystrokes in command line?
16:57<dondelelcaro>webad_13: for what purpose?
16:57<dondelelcaro>and to where?
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16:58<webad_13>well, I would like a command that presses a key on the keyboard - basically I would like to use Alt+Tab to switch windows but with a script
16:58<dondelelcaro>webad_13: so what you actually want to do is to focus a particular window?
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17:00<dondelelcaro>webad_13: which window manager are you using?
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17:02<webad_13>if I could use "sendKeys" from bash that would make it really eazy
17:03<dondelelcaro>webad_13: install wmctrl, and then wmctrl -a windowname
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17:03<dondelelcaro>webad_13: this is unix... you don't need to send keys or do anything silly; you just tell the window manager to focus the window
17:03<lobster123>lol? more recent software in oldstable than in stable???§ion=all&searchon=names
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17:05<dondelelcaro>lobster123: it happens; there's probably some reason for it
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17:06<webad_13>dondelelcaro, yes but at times it is useful - after I focus the window I actually need to press a button
17:07<webad_13>to initiate a macro in stata
17:07<dondelelcaro>heh. there's your problem
17:08<dondelelcaro>using a non-scriptable statistics package like stata is just an exercise in pain
17:08<dondelelcaro>you'll be happier using and learning R instead
17:08<webad_13>eh, not my choice unfortunately - the server has only stata installed
17:08<dondelelcaro>well... that's easily fixed
17:09<webad_13>and the datasets I deal with my computer cannot handle
17:09<webad_13>well not in an efficient way
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17:09<dondelelcaro>aptitude install r-base; pretty simple.
17:09<webad_13>I don't have root priviledges on the server
17:10<dondelelcaro>surely the administrators will install R?
17:10<webad_13>also, all of the university uses stata
17:10<mercutio22>Hello. I was just reading about how to tweak debian to sustain longer battery life. I heard of powertop and laptop-mode. cat /proc/sys/vm/laptop-mode says 0. I also read that the changes achieved by powertop are to persistent through reboots. But even if it were I'd like to have powersaving only when unplugged from the ac cord. Any reading suggestions? Maybe someone here has already accomplished this
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17:10<webad_13>so, since I am producing datasets and do files for someone it is a compatibility issue
17:11<webad_13>that someone would need to lear R just because of me....
17:11<dondelelcaro>that's why you use R everywhere.... no one needs to buy stata licenses
17:11<dondelelcaro>and anyone who is actually a statistician should know R nowadays
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17:12<dondelelcaro>but anyway, you can certainly script it using xautomation and similar packages to control mouse movements, but you're going to be experiencing significant pain while doing so
17:12<webad_13>eh... I guess my uni likes spending money - this is finance departement, matlab is the usual language
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17:12<webad_13>for statistics, they use stata - and trust me they have no idea about R
17:13<webad_13>xautomation would be similar to autoIt I guess
17:13<dondelelcaro>webad_13: hrm... that basically means that your university's statisticians haven't been keeping up... good luck with that
17:14<dondelelcaro>oh well
17:14<webad_13>dondelelcaro - these people are not statisticians they deal with stochastic calculus mainly
17:14<webad_13>statistics (econometrics) is a different story - I don't deal with them yet
17:15<webad_13>so there is no inbuilt way to send keyboard strokes in bash I guess
17:16<dondelelcaro>webad_13: almost nothing is built into bash
17:16<dondelelcaro>you have to have something installed that is capable of communicating with the X server.
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17:16<webad_13>inbuilt in linux - to send them using bash
17:16<webad_13>I c
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17:17<raylu>so i upgraded my wheezy/testing to 2.6.38 and i'm not sure how to disable the pc speaker beep
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17:20<webad_13>I think xte will do the trick - thanx for the tip dondelelcaro
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17:23<FabienWang>raylu, there is an interesting thread about the pc speaker problem here:
17:24<raylu>o.0, saw that while googling and disregarded it. i'll have a look
17:24<raylu>for now, "xset b 0" seems to have fixed it
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17:26<raylu>o.0, beep_mode
17:26<raylu>this is an excessive solution to a simple problem
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17:28<raylu>thanks, FabienWang
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17:30<FabienWang>thanks for the tip raylu, i didn't want to try the modprobe myself too
17:30<FabienWang>i'm gonna reboot now to try
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17:34<FabienWang>that did it for me too raylu thx
17:34<raylu>setting beep_mode to 0/2?
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17:34<FabienWang>no, i did "xset b 0"
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17:38<dpkg>from memory, beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see
17:38<retrospectacus>it's <bell> for future reference
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17:46<kimmmy_98_x>hello everyone I am new to debian
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17:49<retrospectacus>kimmmy_98_x: hi and welcome. How's debian working for you?
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17:51<kimmmy_98_x>its working great
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17:51<kimmmy_98_x>but I am battling alot
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17:52<kimmmy_98_x>I am so used to windows
17:52<aussa>hi, can I access an ntfs partition from a win7 virtual machine?
17:52<retrospectacus>kimmmy_98_x: cool, well we are here to help if you need.
17:53<retrospectacus>aussa: depends on the Virtual machine platform, but probably not. You can access it by standard network mechanisms like Windoz file sharing, if the VM is running.
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17:54<aussa>I'm using virtualbox ose, I want to access a file in a ntfs partition from th vm
17:54<Prins>Hello. I'm trying to connect to a mysql database using JDBC. However, I have set it all up, and it says "Connection Refused". Somone said that it might be because there was nothing listening on the MySQL port. How do I make my server listen for incoming JDBC SQL connections?
17:54<figuringout>hi folks, i'm working on generating a few reports from debian bug data -- is there a way to reliably get bug open / close datetime?
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17:56<retrospectacus>aussa: network. From the VM, download the file from the host
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17:57<retrospectacus>ftp or whatever
17:57<retrospectacus>pscp is easiest
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17:59<kimmmy_98_x>retrospectacus: thanks
17:59<babilen>figuringout: → #debian-bugs please :)
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17:59<figuringout>babilen : on it!
17:59<babilen>figuringout: cheers
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18:00<retrospectacus>Prins: I dunno about JDBC but that looks like mysql server is not running. try "mysql" on the command line - says "access denied", or "connection refused"?
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18:01<Prins>retrospectacus: My MySQL is running. I can log in and edit it. But I think I might have found a problem. I guess it's the users in the mysql, I have to allow remote hosts
18:01<Prins>That's my best guess for now :)
18:02<retrospectacus>yes and if you are doing that, "bind-address *" in my.cnf I believe
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18:02<retrospectacus>the default is to listen to localhost only
18:03<retrospectacus>s/to localhost/on loopback/
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18:05<Prins>my.cnf: bind-address =
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18:05<Prins>Should I change that?
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18:06<DennisTheTiger>I seem to be having two issues today. So, one at a time....
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18:06<DennisTheTiger>Oh. Both printers. =)
18:06<Guest2598>how do you add auto channels on smuxi
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18:06<retrospectacus>Prins: just comment out that line and restart mysql
18:07<jhutchins_lt>I thought it was Borris the Tiger...
18:07<DennisTheTiger>1) I have a Minolta PagePro 1250W that is currently not printing. It's attached through /dev/lp0, but jobs are simply queuing up and not actually going anywhere. lp0 is directly integrated to the motherboard. The printer is USB capable, but I am for the moment short a USB cable. How would I fix this, short of getting a USB cable for this?
18:07<meebey>Guest2598: in Preferences -> Server
18:07<DennisTheTiger>jhutchins_lt: I see no Borris here.
18:08<Guest2598>what is the command to do so
18:08<meebey>Guest2598: /join #somechan
18:08<Guest2598>oh cool
18:09<Prins>Hmm.. retrospectacus - myip:3306 will give me a white screen now, instead of saying "Can't connect".. But my Java connection is still being refused :S
18:09<streuner_>hm, somebody who highlighted smuxi :-)
18:09<Prins>I have commented out the bind-address line AND restarted mysql
18:09<retrospectacus>Prins: a web browser is not a mysql client
18:09<retrospectacus>try mysql -h myip
18:09<Prins>retrospectacus: I know
18:10<DennisTheTiger>Also... 2) I recently inherited a Canon S9000 inkjet printer. No driver is compatible in's database, so I took a stab with the S800 driver - which is causing it to print just fine, if I were wanting to print my stuff in the upper 25% of an 8.5x11 page. My Google Fu has failed. Where would I look for a clue on this printer?
18:10<streuner_>meebey: i already told him to join #smuxi ;-)
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18:10<streuner_>meebey: s/already/almost told/
18:10<Guest2598>streuner_ told me?
18:11<streuner_>Guest2598: almost
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18:11<Guest2598>I have only just downloaded the client and been on this irc server
18:11<Guest2598>and I am in #smuxi
18:11<DennisTheTiger>Guest2598: Ah, new to IRC?
18:11<jhutchins_lt>DennisTheTiger: Pre-internet rock lyrics.
18:11<Guest2598>just this client
18:11<meebey>smuxi related questions can be asked there, and #debian for debian related questions of course
18:12<Guest2598>Been using irc for a while
18:12<DennisTheTiger>jhutchins_lt: What song? Not *that* young! =D
18:12<Prins>retrospectacus: ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0
18:12<Prins>When I do mysql -h myip
18:12<jhutchins_lt>It may come to me yet.
18:12<retrospectacus>Prins: that's a new one
18:12<streuner_>meebey: ic, that why the almost...
18:12<Prins>It is ? :D
18:12<retrospectacus>to me ;)
18:12<Prins>That sucks
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18:14<Prins>It works!
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18:14<Prins>I had to add mysqld: ALL in my hosts.allow :D
18:14<retrospectacus>!congratulate Prins
18:14<dpkg>Nice one Prins, you did it!
18:14<Prins>Thank you very much :)
18:14<retrospectacus>oh yeah... firewall would do it
18:14<Prins>Yeah, hadn't thought of that. But you know, Google <3 ;)
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18:18<lech>i have server in my LAN on debian
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18:18<lech>and i want create wireless network with my frinds
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18:19<lech>and this friends have also internet connections
18:19<lech>can i share our connections?
18:19<streuner_>thats why some people invented routers
18:20<lech>but we want use few routers in the same time
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18:21<lech>what i should google about it?
18:22<jhutchins_lt>lech: Check the ipmasquerade howto on
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18:26<lech>ok i see that all computers connect to my serwer, and only my serwer connect to routers with internet?
18:27<streuner_>sure, its possible
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18:29<streuner_>ipmasq was able to share connections, but i used it only via ethernet
18:29<streuner_>not sure about wireless
18:29<jhutchins_lt>streuner_: Works pretty much the same
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18:30<lech>wireless is transparent in most cases
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18:31*streuner_ guess jhutchins_lt told you about the URL above, because ipmasq isnt in Debian anymore..
18:31<streuner_>judd, versions ipmasq
18:31<judd>Package ipmasq on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.8-7
18:32<jhutchins_lt>ipmasqerade is a technique, not a package (as far as I know). The package was probably a pre-configured script.
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18:33<abrotman>ipmasq was a package
18:34<streuner_>well, it was an easy way to realizes those stuff without knowing much about iptables...
18:34<jhutchins_lt>Probably dropped due to lack of maintenance, it wouldn't have changed since the 2.6 kernel.
18:34<streuner_>dpkg, ipmasq
18:34<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384.
18:34<abrotman>actually .. the maintainer just didn't want to maintain it anymore, citing many other alternatives
18:34<streuner_>dpkg, dbugs 538384
18:34<dpkg>DONE:#538384:N[] RM: ipmasq -- RoM (); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:27:01 UTC []
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18:35<streuner_>sad, because ipmasq was just a fine package
18:35<retrospectacus>it just takes a single iptables command to enable IP masquerading
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18:35<abrotman>retrospectacus: it took a single apt command to install ipmasq :)
18:36<streuner_>and resolves your problem, without any headaces!
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18:37<streuner_>install ipmasq and make an entry in another machine, it just worked...
18:37<retrospectacus>never tried it - I stick with my one command - and it still works ;)
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18:39<jhutchins_lt>I thought you also had to echo 1 to a proc file somewhere too.
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18:39<retrospectacus>ah yes that too... echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
18:40<streuner_>jhutchins_lt: sure, wireless should be supported as well, but i doubt that any driver supports AP...
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18:40<streuner_>jhutchins_lt: but he should find that himself out
18:40<lech>AP is hardware
18:41<streuner_>nah, i meant the function that your driver of your wireless NIC supports AP
18:41<streuner_>not any driver supports that
18:41<retrospectacus>it's called Managed Mode - most hardwares don't support it
18:42<streuner_>lech: just look at the docu
18:42<lech>i'm reading now
18:42<lech>but also watch here if you have some other ideas
18:42<streuner_>lech: that was the reason why we told you about routers, they are really cheap nowadays...
18:43<retrospectacus>I tried this before, the command is something like iwconfig wlan0 mode managed - but it will say some error about not supported
18:43<retrospectacus>master, not managed
18:43<nysec>poor wifi drivers and/or insufficiently configurable hardware has kept me from cracking all my neighbor's WEP networks
18:43*nysec goes to sleep
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18:43<lech>bout problem is that i have my connection here, my friend have second in his house and other friend in his house
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18:44<lech>with ADSL routers
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18:45<lech>and i want spread transfer
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18:45<lech>when i want get big file i want bigger transfer than if i chat on irc ;]
18:47<lech>like NetBalancer on windows
18:48<retrospectacus>ask #networking on
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18:49<lech>thanks and bye
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20:27<jkenney>Listen I know this is not the place for it but I just download the new firmware for the polycom 550's and there is now sip.cfg in the file
20:28<jkenney>can anyone direct me to a new sip.cfg sample or example
20:28<streuner_>jkenney: why this isnt the right place?
20:28<jkenney>I didn't think it was because this is the asterisk room
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20:29<streuner_>asterisk is very, ehm different...
20:29<jkenney>wait a I in the dbian room
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21:14<zy>Hi all, my screen is blank after resume in my squeeze box, but not for every resume. The lights of mouse and keyboard are on. What should I check ?
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21:21<retrospectacus>zy: I have this problem occasionally. Press Ctl-Alt-F7 fixes it
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21:29<zy>retrospectacus: Sometimes Ctl-Alt-F7 works, but sometimes not for me.
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21:30<retrospectacus>you may see if dmesg has anything interesting to say
21:31<retrospectacus>but I am going out drinking so someone else will have to help you :)
21:36<Kimmag>Is it normal that "Running after-installation menu" (95%) takes long time during install ?
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21:41<Kimmag>HOw long does " running post-installation trigger menu " last?
21:41<nevyn>umm depends how much X stuff is installed.
21:42<Kimmag>What is X stuff?
21:42<Kimmag>Well, it's been like this for ... 10 minutes minimum
21:42<Kimmag>But if I restart the server, do I have to install everything again, or can it start from where it fell?
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21:44<chealer>Kimmag: did you check what's going on? you can go to tty2
21:44<Kimmag>How ? I can't go to anything, it's a blue screen (installing debian)
21:44<Kimmag>a blue screen with a isntallation bar
21:45<sney>ctrl+alt+f4 will give you a console
21:45<nevyn>Kimmag: does anything in tasksel drag in prelink?
21:45<Kimmag>Uhm what?
21:45<nevyn>that's a more general question.
21:45<nevyn>Kimmag: prelink could take that long
21:45<Kimmag>Nothing happend at ctrl alt f4
21:46<Kimmag>I think it crashed, ubt if I reboot, will it continue from there, or do I have to start all over again ?
21:46<abrotman>how fast is the machine ?
21:46<Kimmag>2800MHz xeon, 3gb ram
21:46<abrotman>so slow!
21:47<Kimmag>Well, case is, that it's been on 95% for 20-30 minutes now
21:47<Kimmag>And I don't want to restart if it actually DOES take long time.
21:48<sney>the whole install shouldn't take much more than 30 minutes, unless you're installing the desktop task on a slow connection or something
21:48<sney>did you verify the installer image?
21:48<Kimmag>Like when I burned it? No..
21:48<abrotman>Kimmag: really shouldn't take tha tlong
21:48<Kimmag>But IF I restart the server, do I have to install everything again?
21:48<Kimmag>Or will it start from where it stopped ?
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21:49<sney>depending on how much it did before it locked up, you might have a partially installed system that you could repair
21:50<Kimmag>I restarted it, so let's see.
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21:50<abrotman>Kimmag: likely restart .. did you install grub?
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21:50<Kimmag>Uhm.. I don't know
21:50<Kimmag>yeah i guess
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22:02<Kimmag>Why won't the debian installer find my harddrives?
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22:24<chealer>Kimmag: which Debian suite are you installing?
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22:24<Kimmag>Uhm.. The normal one, ?
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22:24<Kimmag>The new stable one
22:25<Kimmag>I got three Seagate Cheetah discs
22:25<Kimmag>but it doesn't detect anyone of them
22:26<chealer>Kimmag: so squeeze, Debian 6?
22:26<Kimmag>that's it I think
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22:27<Kimmag>I don't have any OS on that server, and it won't find the hardrives..
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22:28<Kimmag>maybei t will now when i enable raid
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22:32<Kimmag>Chealer: It won't find my three seagate cheetah discs, what should I do ?
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22:42<chealer>Kimmag: which motherboard chipset does it have/ from which version does Linux support it?
22:42<Kimmag>It's a poweredge 2650
22:42<Kimmag>that's all I know :(
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22:45<Kimmag>chealer: Poweredge 2650
22:47<chealer>Kimmag: yes... does Alt+F4 work now?
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22:47<Kimmag>From where?
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22:49<chealer>Kimmag: from the installer, it should give you another console
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22:49<Kimmag>I'll check
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22:52<vook>I just started having a weird issue with gnome following a recent dist-upgrade. I get errors when starting gnome-session similar to those found here :
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22:53<vook>but the touchpad works fine
22:53<tamara__>hi i have a question
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22:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:54<tamara__>should install the new version 11.04 on ubuntu 10.10?
22:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:55<vook>tamara__: this is #debian
22:57<vook>so basically I get (EE) query no synaptics when I attempt to load gnome-session, but xinit, openbox, etc.. work fine
22:57<MrFrood>so don't load gnome ;)
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22:58<vook>it's looking that way :| I liked my gnome-openbox env though
22:58*MrFrood likes his openbox without gnome
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23:00<MrFrood>vook: you may have better luck asking on the debian-user mail list
23:01<vook>this all started after I had a power glitch, and my system clock started up at Jan 1st, 2000
23:01<MrFrood>most odd
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23:29<spark666>i have a question
23:29<spark666>can i install debian squeeze from a usb device
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23:34<spark666>thank you
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23:52<aajjbb>where are you guys from
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23:56<Guest2626>guys how do I include man page into my debian package. Is it enough that I only install mypackage.1.gz into /usr/share/man/man1/ ?
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