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---Logopened Thu May 05 00:00:02 2011
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00:00<saleem>to check
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00:00<saleem>aptitude update went smooth
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00:01<saleem>what is aptitude upgrade command?
00:02<saleem>apt-get dist-upgrade equivalent
00:02<nyov>there is aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade
00:02<nyov>never used them though
00:03<saleem>i can try
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00:05<saleem>i wonder why apt is coming up with that error
00:06<nyov>how is that an error?
00:07<saleem>bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ Hash Sum mismatch
00:07<saleem>changing mirror did not help either
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00:08<nyov>no idea about that one. apparently happened to some folks over at ubuntu forums also
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00:12<saleem>watching video on cnn about laden`s compound, its at 10 minutes drive from my house
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00:19<saleem>nyov, thanks for the tip, im off to bed , bbl
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01:05<wasabi>So. Multiarch. Neato. Currently have an i386 system. Happens to actually have a 64 bit processor. Curious if this multiarch support is enough yet to get dpkg to install a 64 bit kernel.
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01:18<twb>When you're using, say, a sid d-i and you want it to install testing, what's the preseed option for that?
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02:22<Mizchief>Hi there. I'm in a bit of an odd situation. I have a Debian Squeeze server, that went offline due to a DC power outage, and never came back online at first - I had to log a ticket, and apparently there's something wrong with GRUB, they manually started it, and this is where I am now. I have no idea where the error is, or how I go about finding out what exactly is wrong. Can anyone provide help?
02:23<ethanol>go over to the dc, hook up a screen, and reboot it again
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02:23<ethanol>only way to figure it out I reckon
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02:23<ethanol>and safely solve it
02:23<ethanol>remotely you're not going to achieve much
02:24<Mizchief>Well, the DC is located in the Netherlands - I live in Australia, so a bit out of the question
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02:25<Mizchief>The people won't provide me with more information as it's not a 'managed' server as they so gladly pointed out - so it will just be their job to start it manually every time I can't fix it.
02:25<Mizchief>So is there any options for me?
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02:27<Mizchief>I'm not sure if this is related, but I found it in the log (timestamp when it didn't come back online) and wasn't there when the DC techs booted it up manually or whatever.
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02:28<bones_was_here>this sounds like a case of, some updating was done on the server that made the grub config invalid, but then for some reason a new grub.cfg was not generated, and this was not noticed until the next time the machine was rebooted
02:29<bones_was_here>i guess you're lucky the datacentre tech(s) know enough about linux to fix whatever needs fixing from the grub menu, but of course they cant save the change to grub.cfg that way
02:29<Mizchief>Well, I've rebooted it since the DC techs brought it back the first time, and it still didn't come back. It had to be manually brought back
02:30<bones_was_here>what fixes did you do to grub.cfg after the first time?
02:31<bones_was_here>im not really sure what to make of all the os-prober output, i have never needed to use that program for anything since i don't dual/multi boot any machines
02:32<bones_was_here>but i would guess that if you fully purge and reinstall grub, the problem will go away...
02:32<Mizchief>Erm, nothing really. Don't really know much about GRUB to be messing around, but I removed an old entry. That's about it
02:33<bones_was_here>if you pastebin grub.cfg and ls -l /boot someone can probably tell what is wrong
02:33<bones_was_here>/etc/fstab might be helpful too
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02:34<bones_was_here>is it using a stock debian kernel?
02:35<Mizchief> and and
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02:41<gpm>hi. i have a mac osx snow leopard dmg file which i want to boot via a usb stick. is it enough to simply run "dd if=osx.dmg of=/dev/usbstick"?
02:41<gpm>or do i also need to do some work in such as gparted?
02:41<gpm>the snowleopard dmg is hfsplus
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02:42<bones_was_here>Mizchief: that -looks- correct, the kernel and initrd paths are corrct, as is the root UUID.. (hd0,msdos1) looks odd to me, i dont have a system quite like yours that uses grub2, but it previously it was eg (hd0,0)... could you pastebin /boot/grub/
02:43<bones_was_here>gpm: the dd is enough only if the dmg contains a correctly configured (for intel mac booting) GPT partition map
02:44<Mizchief>No need for pastebin on that one. One line
02:44<Mizchief>(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-GB0500C8046_9QMBNGY1
02:45<bones_was_here>hm... well msdos1 is where the partition identifier needs to be, but im not sure if msdos1 is correct or not
02:45<bones_was_here>if its not, then it definately wont boot
02:45<Mizchief>Try 0?
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02:46<bones_was_here>nah i reckon dont mess with it till you have enough info to be sure what you're putting in is correct... i just havn't used grub2 with a single disk setup before, everything i run boots from raid :P but the info will be available...
02:46<bones_was_here>do you have any idea what the error on the screen was?
02:47<bones_was_here>the tech would have needed that to know what to change to get it to boot...
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02:47<Mizchief>Nope. When I asked in the ticket (different person answers - not the DC tech) he gave me some snotty message about the server being unmananged
02:47<bones_was_here>well, unless he booted it from a usb stick or some such, but chances are he just changed some settings at your grub prompt
02:48<bones_was_here>ah typical
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02:48<bones_was_here>Mizchief: i dont think you can go wrong by purging grub and grub-pc packages, then reinstalling
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02:49<Mizchief>So uninstall grub and grub-pc and reinstall?
02:49<bones_was_here>yes, but make sure to use purge rather than just remove
02:50<bones_was_here>at the worst you should end up with the same non booting setup you have now, but chances are it'll fix it
02:50<Mizchief>Don't manually remove anything from /boot either?
02:50<bones_was_here>you could rm -rf /boot/grub
02:50<bones_was_here>but leave all the kernel files there
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02:51<bones_was_here>this is a dedicated server, not a vps, right?
02:52<Mizchief>While reinstalling
02:52<bones_was_here>what the...
02:52<Mizchief>Wants to know whether I want to continue without installing GRUB
02:53<bones_was_here>did you get a screen asking which devices (/dev/sda etc) you want to install to?
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02:54<bones_was_here>hmm :/
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02:56<bones_was_here>maybe it doesnt offer that screen if it thinks there are no devices that grub can be installed on, but... there clearly is a disk in the machine
02:57<Mizchief>Indeed. Is there any options I need to run with the install?
02:57<bones_was_here>when it installs successfully, grub should print a line something like 'no errors detected', one for each device
02:57<bones_was_here>normally no... i cant think of a reason it would not find any devices
02:57<bones_was_here>you definately did purge and not remove?
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02:59<Mizchief>apt-get purge grub grub-pc
03:01<bones_was_here>well atm im kinda stumped as to why it won't even install
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03:02<bones_was_here>your case is exactly the case where it should always work - a single device /dev/sda with boot on /dev/sda1 formatted as ext is about the simplest, most common case grub has to handle
03:03<bones_was_here>definately don't reboot it until it installs successfully, there's no chance of it working after giving you the output it did...
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03:05<armani>how do i reset the resolution after logging out of X and back into console?
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03:09<Mizchief>Yeah, it installed the grub stuff to /etc/default/grub
03:10<bones_was_here>did it write a grub.cfg?
03:10<bones_was_here>should look pretty much the same as the old one
03:10<bones_was_here>but it hasn't written the first stage of grub to the actual boot sector, which is a big problem...
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03:13<Mizchief>But /boot/grub is back
03:13<bones_was_here>maybe try fdisk -l /dev/sda and see if there's anything odd that could be throwing grub
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03:16<bones_was_here>again there appears to be nothing wrong there
03:17<bones_was_here>lets check /boot is actually mounted, just in case... in the output of df -h, is /boot listed?
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03:19<bones_was_here>it should show a size of about 94mb
03:20<Mizchief>/dev/sda1 92M 21M 67M 24% /boot
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03:21<Mizchief>After some persistent badgering, they're going to reboot the server and provide me with the error message displayed
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03:22<bones_was_here>i still recommend not rebooting...
03:22<bones_was_here>hopefully the same tech is there to boot it again...
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03:22<Mizchief>Well, they sucessfully started twice, so they must know something I don't
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03:24<bones_was_here>the tech might have a magical bootable usb stick in his pocket that he takes home with him...
03:24<bones_was_here>i know i do :)
03:24<bones_was_here>(take mine home)
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03:25<Mizchief>lol. They should leave it in the server for me :)
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03:27<bones_was_here>you could try installing grub to the disk manually (ie not using the script that debian runs when you install the package), you might at least get some info that way
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03:27<bones_was_here>also there's a channel for grub support, on freenode iirc
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03:28<bones_was_here>i g2g catch a bus now, i'll ping you if i think of anything worthwhile but hopefully you'll get it fixed, good luck...
03:29*bones_was_here has spent many many many hours coaxing grub to behave itself
03:29<Mizchief>Thanks for all the help :)
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04:31<sylarr>I had some hardware problem, and now when I turned the PC on, it tells me 'waiting for root file system' , and that volume group are not found
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04:31<sylarr>can anyone help?
04:31<dv_vampire>help me
04:32<dv_vampire>how to download virtualbox on ubuntu
04:32<Corey>dv_vampire: THis is #debian. Give #ubuntu a try.
04:33<guillaume__>aptitued install virtualbox-ose ?
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04:38<naveed>dv_vampire: which version of Ubuntu you are using?
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04:43<patrykr>How to add new domain to postfix?
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04:50<jww>patrykr: go read postfix documentation ? :)
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04:52<patrykr>I have master domain but I would like to add next one
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04:54<vadim>а русский нала есть?
04:54<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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04:55<daemonkeeper>Isn't this sentence redundant?
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04:56<patrykr> I'd read this but in mydestination I have only localhost
04:57<patrykr>Someone have configured this before me. There is something about 30 domains. I need to add another one.
04:58<daemonkeeper>Ask that special someone then.
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04:58<patrykr>I don't have contact with him
04:58<daemonkeeper>If you have 30 domains you most likely have have a domain mapping.
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04:59<daemonkeeper>Perhaps even with a database
04:59<j0sfg>how do i get hindi or malayalam on to show on my framebuffer cli? currently i only get ???s. i can see the fonts fine in X under opera or iceweasel.
04:59<vadim>port 6667?
04:59<ayaka>I want to know which virtualization prgrams is the best?
05:00<patrykr>So, it must be the script to add new domain, yes?
05:00<daemonkeeper>ayaka: Depends. Depending on your purpose you may want to try Virtualbox and/or KVM/Xen
05:00<twb>j0sfg: you probably need to run an alternative framebuffer console, like bogl-bterm, jfbterm, zhcon, etc.
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05:01<ayaka>daemonkeeper, no, I want to somthing like chroot
05:01<daemonkeeper>patrykr: There are several possibilities, you better ask the special someone if you can't find out on your own by reading MTAs can be bitchy.
05:02<daemonkeeper>ayaka: chroot is not virtualization. If you are looking for a security enhanced chroot, consider linux-vserver or lxc
05:02<daemonkeeper>Or UML
05:02<twb>Or KVM of course
05:02<j0sfg>twb: thanks! i usually don't start X unless I need to. Do I start these alt fb consoles on demand?
05:03<vadim>What is the standard port on the server?
05:03<twb>j0sfg: unfortunately you basically have to start them on top of fbcon, and they all suck
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05:03<daemonkeeper>twb: That's virtualization again
05:04<twb>daemonkeeper: oh sorry, I misread
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05:07<patrykr>Deamonkeeper: I can't find anything about database in
05:07<ayaka>daemonkeeper, yes,but linux-vserver will coat too much space, do you know somthing like mod-chroot(apache2)
05:07<j0sfg>twb: something like startx to start X? is that how these alt fbcons work?
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05:08<DerMicha>i have some issues with mounting my /proc and /dev/pts
05:08<twb>DerMicha: yes, although it would probably just be "bogl-bterm <font name>"
05:08<twb>Sorry, bad completion.
05:08<twb>j0sfg: yes, although it would probably just be "bogl-bterm <font name>"
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05:09<twb>j0sfg: or if you wanted to leave the existing tty1 alone and start a new tty, "openvt -- bogl-bterm <font name>"
05:09<DerMicha>i have to mount them per hand, i addet them to the fstab but it wont work :(
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05:09<daemonkeeper>patrykr: It would help if you would show your
05:09<j0sfg>oh? does that mean i can use only one font at a time? and not get elinks to choose the font on demand?
05:09<vadim>Tell me where to download debian desktop cd (ISO)?
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05:13<j0sfg>twb: oh? does that mean i use only one font at a time? and not get elinks to choose the font on demand?
05:14<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I have to go, thank you
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05:14<twb>I don't know about elinks, but I've never seen a framebuffer-based terminal emulator use more than one font at a time
05:14<j0sfg>twb: i just installed bogl-bterm and it seems it can only use its own fonts, i.e. "bterm -f font.bgf".
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05:15<twb>You need to compile gnu unifont into bgf format somehow; I forget how
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05:15<twb>As I only need ISO 8859 alphabets (Roman, Greek, Cyrillic) these days, I use the built-in kernel implementation, fbcon.
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05:17<j0sfg>twb: bterm man page says debian pkg "bf-utf-source" can be installed to convert each font to bgf. i think i'm probably ruling bogl-bterm out for now, and look at the others you suggested
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05:19<twb>j0sfg: ISTR it was easier than that
05:20<DerMicha>what is the right fstab line to automaticaly mount /proc on startup?
05:20<twb>DerMicha: IIRC you don't even need one anymore
05:20<twb>DerMicha: I just checked -- my sid laptop has no /proc entry at all
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05:20<twb> <-- my sid fstab
05:21<DerMicha>but i have to mount proc manually every startup :(
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05:21<twb>DerMicha: ramdisk should do it for you
05:21<twb>DerMicha: are you being clever and making your own kernel?
05:21<DerMicha>i made a kernel but i didnt use a ramdisk
05:22<twb>That's why then
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05:22<DerMicha>ah ok
05:22<twb>Normally the Debian kernel and ramdisk DTRT, but if you use your own then you need to deal with this stuff
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05:22<DerMicha>thx, i will read how to do
05:22<twb>It's *probably* "none /proc proc defaults"
05:22<j0sfg>twb: what did you mean ISTR and ICBW?
05:22<twb>j0sfg: ISTR = I Seem To Recall; ICBW = I Could Be Wrong
05:23<j0sfg>twb: thanks! much appreciated... i'm going to go and do some research on those alt fbcons that you suggested. thanks again!
05:23<twb>Good luck
05:24<twb>You might find it's less hassle to just start X and live with that :-(
05:24<daemonkeeper>patrykr: line 119, virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/
05:24<daemonkeeper>This refers to a MySQL database where you need to configure your domains
05:24<daemonkeeper>Again, ask someone to assist you who knows about your setup. Really.
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05:28<patrykr>Deamonkeeper: there is a database "postfix" wit table "domain" . I dont have contact with person who knows something about this setup
05:29<daemonkeeper>You better find a replacement.
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05:52<patrykr>Deamonkeeper: I have access to that database. Can I simply add domain to "domain" table?
05:54<daemonkeeper>Maybe you may want to create some mailboxes associated with your domain as well, and maybe you have to initialize them on the file system as well. Hence I say. Ask/Find someone who knows your setup.
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06:06*raining thử phát chơi
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06:06<thomax>i can't get mysql installed because it depends on libdbd-mysql-perl and this can't be installed because perlapi-5.10.1 isn't provided by perl-base 5.12.3-6
06:07<thomax>(on testing / unstable)
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06:11<devil>thomax: perl transition is still ongoing.
06:11<devil>might take another day
06:11<thomax>ok, thank you
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06:12<thomax>just wanted to know if there is somethings going on :-)
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06:14<thomax>btw, isn't there a page which lists all packages which may not get installed because of unmet dependencies (in-transition, outdated by any means)?
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06:16<devil>there is, cant find it atm :)
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06:17<LibreMan_>hi, does anyone know how to format ext4 partition without restoring superblock backups? I mean clean format, it keeps "recovering" damaged superblocks and I have used space right after format and can't get rid of it :S thanks
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06:19<thomax>devil: like me :-)
06:19<devil>but its almost done, anyways :)
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06:20<LibreMan_>it created "lost+found" directory which I can't open and if I delete it the used space remains (with no visible files on the partition)
06:20<cahoot>LibreMan_: and you don't mean the space reserved for root?
06:21<@weasel>what's the problem with having lost+found?
06:21<LibreMan_>cahoot: would that show up as "used" spaced in the order of few gigs on a 640gb drive?
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06:21<devil>LibreMan_: lost&found belongs to the journaling. turn of journaling and its gone.
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06:22<LibreMan_>cahoot: how can I find out if it's just reserved?
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06:22<@weasel>devil: erm?
06:22<devil>weasel: not?
06:24<SynrG>lost+found is where fsck tosses stuff it couldn't fix up
06:24<@weasel>hence the name.
06:24<devil>argh, right.
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06:25<cahoot>LibreMan_: maybe tune2fs -l /dev/sda (or whatever)
06:25<LibreMan_>cahoot: I'll try that, thanks
06:26<Mizchief>With my problem: According to the DC techs, the grub config is looking for (hd0,2) when it needs to be looking for (hd0,1)
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06:28<Mizchief>Anyone have any ideas?
06:28<SynrG>LibreMan_: also see the tune2fs for how to change reserved space. however, be aware that some reserved space is recommended to keep your system reliable. when you're almost out of space, you need root to still be able to do stuff. if you tune reserved space too low, you won't have room for root to make any files and the system will be harder to recover.
06:29<SynrG>and you may suffer data loss that you otherwise would not have suffered with the reserved space
06:29<cahoot>SynrG: what would be a resonable chunk? 5% of 1TB seems rather luxurious
06:29<SynrG>i see no reason to tinker with the defaults ...
06:30<SynrG>except in the case where every last bit of space is crucial
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06:30<SynrG>e.g. let's say i have a 4G SD card with ext filesystem on it. i may want to turn off reserved space if the card isn't crucial to operation of the system
06:31<SynrG>so i trade off reliability for capacity there
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06:31<SynrG>i suspect that as a filesystem fills up to capacity, performance will degrade in any case, as it becomes harder and harder to find right-sized chunks to use.
06:31<SynrG>so the 5% reserved seems quite reasonable, regardless of size
06:32<diskguy>Question about the badblocks command - are the results valid if you run it against a specific file?
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06:32<SynrG>that being said, i'm no expert in filesystem tuning. go read more on the topic by someone who is :)
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06:33<cahoot>ok I'll just let root have its way - hoping for no mischief
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06:36<@weasel>the reserved space is probably also important in helping avoid insane levels of fragmentation
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06:37*SynrG nods
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06:38<SynrG>Mizchief: so the state you're in now is that you've fallen back from grub2 to grub1, the DC techs have manually booted the server by editing the root at the boot prompt, and you can't get it to work so that when it reboots it comes back on its own?
06:39<SynrG>(just skimmed the backlog a bit)
06:40<cahoot>seems the fragmentation issue is a lesser problem with ext4
06:40<cahoot>Tso says so
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06:42<SynrG>i forget how grub1 works. i guess there's some /boot/grub/menu.lst parameter in the header for the automagic configuration of debian kernels that sets your root device. after editing that to a suitable value, update-grub should fix up all the entries. if you could pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst, maybe we could see what's up (if my assessment is correct and you are on grub1 now ... i may have missed something in the backlog)
06:42<Mizchief>SynrG: I have no idea about the whole grub2 - grub1 thing, but I uninstalled grub and grub-pc, and then it didn't reinstall properly. And yes, pretty much
06:42<SynrG>uninstalled ... oh, so that wasn't to fall back to grub1?
06:42<SynrG>so you reinstalled grub2
06:42<Mizchief>File doesn't exist
06:42<SynrG>(aka grub-pc)
06:43<SynrG>right. menu.lst isn't in grub2. only in grub1
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06:43<Mizchief>Yes, but it came up with while attempting to reinstall
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06:44<SynrG>which is just a warning telling you that you need to do one more step, e.g. grub-install /dev/sda or whatever
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06:44<SynrG>i.e. you need to install grub in the boot sector of your boot drive.
06:45<SynrG>so as the message says, until you do that, it's not being handled properly by the freshly re-installed grub
06:45<SynrG>you're not very good at following instructions, are you? :)
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06:46<SynrG>07:44 < SynrG> which is just a warning telling you that you need to do one more step, e.g. grub-install /dev/sda or whatever
06:46<SynrG>that is, you install grub into the boot sector of your drive
06:46<SynrG>(not your partition)
06:47<Mizchief>But isn't /boot the boot sector?
06:47<SynrG>the boot sector is the first sector of your drive. BIOSes know to look there to bootstrap your system
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06:49<diskguy>And while I'm at it - is badblocks filesystem-agnostic? It seems like it is, but looking through the source it seems to make calls to the ext2 library.
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06:49<SynrG>Mizchief: for background reading:
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06:50<jcress>wheezy on dell 1545; when power cord is plugged in, battery monitor indicates 'fully charged', if I remove the power cord the battery is at around 40%. Any way to verify whether the battery is charging while on AC power?
06:51<Mizchief>So where is the boot sector on debian, just the normal hdd - /?
06:51<SynrG>Mizchief: there is no "on debian" here
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06:51<SynrG>the BIOS deals with bootstrapping your system *before* an OS is present
06:52<SynrG>to do this, it needs to load some program from the boot sector of the boot drive
06:52<SynrG>this has nothing to do with debian
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06:52<SynrG>i.e. debian does not "put your boot sector" anywhere. it's just where it is. otherwise, the BIOS wouldn't be able to find it. (really, read that wikipedia article!)
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06:55<SynrG>Mizchief: i think what you have fundamentally misunderstood is that the boot sector exists *outside* of your filesystem
06:55<@weasel>diskguy: I think so.
06:55<SynrG>diskguy: badblocks probably understands where to find ext filesystems' bad block lists
06:56<SynrG>but as for the checking itself, that should be filesystem-agnostic
06:56<diskguy>weasel: Alright. Thanks. Do you know anything about my first question (validity of badblocks on specific files?)
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06:56<diskguy>SynrG: Starting to look that way as I delve deeper. Thank you.
06:56<@weasel>diskguy: I'd be surprised if it was any good or reliable
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06:57<diskguy>weasel: Hmmm... alright then. Do you know how I'd find out what blocks a specific file occupies then, so I can specify it manually?
06:57<@weasel>that's filesystem dependent.
06:57<@weasel>(and I never cared about it, I think)
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06:58<diskguy>weasel: I was more asking if you knew if there was a generic utility to do it.
06:58<Mizchief>Right. So how do I install GRUB on the boot sector then?
06:58<SynrG>Mizchief: do you want it a third time?
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06:58<SynrG>07:44 < SynrG> which is just a warning telling you that you need to do one more step, e.g. grub-install /dev/sda or whatever
06:59<SynrG>assuming /dev/sda is your boot drive (hence my "whatever")
06:59<@weasel>diskguy: doubt that there's a generic tool for that.
06:59<@weasel>diskguy: (why do you care?)
07:00<diskguy>Because I just got a USB 2.0 2 TB drive and I'd rather not spend close to 24 hours testing the whole thing.
07:00<SynrG>Mizchief: and in case you're wondering "then how does grub know where my OS is?" you need to understand that *first*, the BIOS needs to be able to find grub! that's in the boot sector. after that, grub knows how to find its own config, which says where your OS is.
07:00<diskguy>weasel: I was trying to do some backups with TrueCrypt and it started throwing out some odd errors, so I'm trying to rule out the disk being bad, so I can return it if I must.
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07:01<diskguy>weasel: Specifically it ended up remounting the file system as read-only. There weren't any kernel panics or anything, just FAT32 whining a bit.
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07:03<Mizchief>Ohk, so how do I fix my problem?
07:03<@weasel>pay somebody to do it for you.
07:04<SynrG>Mizchief: if i need to paste the same command a fourth time, weasel's advice may be the best option
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07:07<Mizchief>Would that be the end of the track, should it report no errors?
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07:08<SynrG>Mizchief: insufficient information about the state of your system to be able to predict :)
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07:08<SynrG>if there are problems after this, we can deal with it, so long as you continue to provide any necessary info for us to assist.
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07:12<armani>i get a kernel bug,...and then it burns and crashes the system...where is this log located so i can debug?
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07:15<SynrG>jcress: new? i think gnome-power-manager takes some time to figure out what the real full charge is
07:15<SynrG>it collects charge data over time to improve the accuracy of its predictions
07:16<jcress>SynrG: the battery is (brand) new. acpi -b shows (constant) charge, and when on AC power it provides Battery 0: Unknown, 38%
07:16<SynrG>i've also seen some batteries that misreport maximum charge (e.g. eeepc model 4G, aka 701 was bad for this)
07:16<jcress>i just wish I could confirm it was charging
07:17<SynrG>so every time you login, gnome-power-manager complains that the battery is probably broken
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07:17<petemc>jcress: if you boot with the ac in does it complain?
07:17<jcress>petemc: complain? where would I find the complaint?
07:17<jcress>i haven't seen any errant boot time messages
07:18<petemc>any dell laptop ive used with a problem charger will mention it when bios loads
07:18<petemc>before os starts
07:18<SynrG>jcress: it's probably ok. just give gnome-power-manager time to figure out your new battery
07:19<SynrG>let it go through a few complete discharge/charge cycles
07:19<jcress>thanks. i'll keep an eye on it
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07:23<Mizchief>It would appear that didn't fix the issue.
07:24<diskguy>In any case, thanks for your help folks, I'm off.
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07:27<Player>could anyone tell me an URL to a tutorial how to add debian packages to repository, please?
07:27<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see ,
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07:28<Player>infobot :)
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07:31<SynrG>Mizchief: you need to be more specific than it "doesn't work". what is the expected behaviour? what happens instead? are there any errors/messages that might give us clues?
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07:31<SynrG>our help is only as good as the information you can provide us about what is wrong
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08:39<ottoshmidt>org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered
08:39<ottoshmidt>why that?
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08:42<ottoshmidt>ok nvm I used smb:// in address bar
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09:01<armani>my kernel crashes when i try to transfer files into it. my file system is ext4 on squeeze amd64, using the linux 3
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09:01<armani>not 3 sorry, 2.6.32-5-amd64, does anyone know how to fix this problem?
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09:04<devil>what does: ' when i try to transfer files into it' mean?
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09:08<armani>devil, well i tried transferring a rather large file like a movie, via usb and it crashed, i also tried via ssh and uploading the file from one internal partition to another with the same results...
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09:08<armani>i also can't find the entry log in the file in /var/log/syslog of this problem, i'm not sure if it's because i did a hard reboot and the file wasn't written?
09:09<armani>or i'm looking in the wrong place for the log..
09:09<devil>ok, it reads like: transfering files into the kernel, i was wondering
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09:09<armani>haha my typing skills need to improve..sorry about that
09:10<armani>I receive a kernel bug at /build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.32-31-amd64-vrfdM4/linux-2.6-2.6/debian/build/source_amd64_none/fs/ext4/inode.c:2099
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09:13<Wendell>qual o canal do ubuntu em pt-br?
09:13<E0x>this is debian channel and the official language here is english
09:13<E0x>please use it
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09:15<devil>armani: sounds like a filesystem pronlem to me.
09:15<devil>problem even
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09:16<armani>devil, that's what i was afraid of, i'm running ext4 on squeeze,..the computer is new and didn't have any damage to the hd...
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09:16<armani>is there a way to diagnose and fix this? i can't find the right log..
09:17<devil>you could run fsck
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09:19<armani>the computer currently is stuck at: kernel: [ 554.596016] Code: *and the rest is just hex code i think?*...should i do a hard reset? or wait it out?
09:21<devil>waiting aint gonna work
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09:24<armani>i get a fsck.ext4: bad magic number in super-block while trying to re-open debian e2fsck: io manager magic bad...
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09:28<zeglor>hello guys! i've got a problem starting x window system. It just leaves me face to face to my blank black monitor, ignoring all keyboard commands. Installing ATI driver didnt help. My graphics card is Saphire HD 5770. Xorg logs here
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09:31<devil>armani: you could run e2fsck -b command to try to repair the corrupted superblock.
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09:32<devil>armani: but please read man fsck to get an overview
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09:33<armani>thanks devil. i'll give that a try.
09:34<devil>armani: careful, makesure, your backup is healthy
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09:39<armani>thanks for the heads-up devil
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09:44<sylarr>I get errors on boot
09:44<sylarr>it say: assembling MD array md6 ... failed (no device found)
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09:45<sylarr>it then fails on fsck , and offer me a ^D
09:45<sylarr>then it boots , and seem to run ok
09:46<WofFS>sylarr: so you have an entry in your /etc/fstab which is stale
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09:46<sylarr>WofFS, no
09:47<WofFS>or at least in your initramfs. inspect your fstab and rebuild your initramfs (update-initramfs -u).
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09:49<sylarr>WofFS, what file would it overwrite? (I'd want to save a copy of the old
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09:52<WofFS>look in /boot, a copy is automatically made
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09:55<sylarr>WofFS, strange thing, boot is not mounted
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10:03<sylarr>WofFS, maybe that is the problem? it seems like the /boot doesn't mount
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10:40<WofFS>sylarr: yeah, it fails on /boot, it seems. so try to mount it by hand, and repair everything. :-)
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10:56<krishnasut>help cannot configure audio
10:56<betinho>hi .. i've installed a new version of postgresql; how can i configure to stop old postgresql-8.3 and start new 8.4 database server?
10:57<krishnasut>help cannot configure audio in ubuntu server 11.4
10:57<betinho>also it's really necessary stop the old one?
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11:00<krishnasut>HELP HELP HELP i cannot configure audio in ubuntu server PLEASE
11:00<krishnasut>is there any audio group
11:01<sney>krishnasut: try asking inn #ubuntu on this is #debian, it's the wrong channel for you
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11:02<krishnasut>Ok thanks sney
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11:27<sret>anyone awake
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11:27<sret>i have linux on separate hdd and windows on one
11:27<sret>apparently windows or the bootloaoder is acting up
11:28<sret>apparently when i load linux, it says BOOTMGR is missing
11:28<sret>any ideas
11:28<sret>its only booting to linux, windows is all screwed u
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11:29<melbogia1>Sounds like grub isn't set up to chainload windows correctly
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11:30<sret>what should i look at
11:31<jww>sret: it's a feature not a bug.
11:31<melbogia1>what does your grub look like? it's at /boot/grub/menu.lst
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11:31<sret>jww: meaning?
11:32<sret>ok weird it loads now
11:32<jww>don't bother fixing it, you're better running without windows.
11:32<sret>i should just stick to one machine for linux
11:32<sret>jww: why shouldnt it be fixed?, it just ficxed itself apparently
11:32<sret>but what's this feature
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11:33<sret>melbogia1: yep thats where it is
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11:34<babilen>melbogia1: You are thinking of grub1, grub2's configuration files are at /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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11:35<melbogia1>whops, right.
11:35<babilen>sret: os-prober installed? What does "update-grub" give you? do you actually get a windows entry configured? and if yes: do you get the error when you try to boot that?
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11:47<sret>babilen: it booted up now
11:48<sret>im going to remove windows from it
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11:48<sret>and just keep it a standalone debian box, saves a lot of headaches
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11:50<sret>getting a bunch of errors
11:50<sret>when i run external
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11:50<sret>Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
11:50<sret>Failed to mount '/dev/sdh1': Input/output error
11:51<sret>NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a/................. etc"
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11:53<ballison>In the last week I've been bitten -twice- by a new feature in the kernel where if a drive starts spitting media erros it flips the partition to read only. That's a problem when it does it on / because it means you can't actually "init 6" or "reboot" the host. Does anyone know a way around this or how to configure the feature off so I could still reboot?
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11:53<ballison>For now I'm installing ipmitool and setting that up so I can do a "ipmitool chassis power cycle" to get around it.
11:54<WofFS>Magic SysRq key? Using hardware that works?
11:54<jhutchins_lt>sret: I really doubt this has anything to do with linux and windows coexisting on the same box. Windows does this crap all the time all by itself.
11:55<sret>jhutchins_lt: the failing /dev/sdh1 part?
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11:55<jhutchins_lt>sret: The failing filesystem/bootloader part.
11:55<ballison>WofFS: How am I gonna send the magic keys ?
11:56<ballison>WofFS: I can ssh into the host as root, but NOT reboot
11:56<sret>jhutchins_lt: ok
11:56<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Probably a good idea to find and fix whatever's causing the media error. Overriding the safety isn't going to fix the problem, that's just putting a penny in the fuse box.
11:56<sret>im kinda tired of it, it works, it doesnt work
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11:57<jhutchins_lt>sret: That's windows. Until you brought it up I hadn't thought about how little I miss those features.
11:57<ballison>jhutchins_lt: Media errors happen. That's why we set up RAID and have redundancy and swap out bad disk. But I can't do anything when it toggles the / partition to read only for me... I want to disable that.
11:57<jhutchins_lt>sret: Does remind me that I need to go try to clean up someone's XP install.
11:57<sret>jhutchins_lt: ok
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11:58<sret>im trying ntfsprogs
11:58<sret>if that'll help anything
11:59<jhutchins_lt>sret: They might be able to check the filesystem. Do you read/write a lot to the NTFS filesystem from Linux?
11:59<sret>jhutchins_lt: sometimes
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12:01<jhutchins_lt>sret: it might be a good idea to make a seperate data partition, even if it's still NTFS for Windows compatibility. That would ensure that linux doesn't ever write to the system partition, meaning that it can't corrupt the system files. I still doubt linux has anything to do with the problem though. (I worked a lot with Linux & ntfs around the turn of the century.)
12:01<gruetzkopf>hey, im trying to get debian running on my Medion E7214 notebook. everything works fine, except for wifi. i gatered frm the web that 2.6.32 has support for RTL8191SE, but i need some firware. can anyone hint me on the correct package for firmware binaries?
12:02<sret>jhutchins_lt: separate data partition as in?
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12:02<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time, mac80211-based driver is planned for Linux 2.6.40. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from . See also <rtl8192se>.
12:03<gruetzkopf>huh, had seen it somewhere...
12:03<jhutchins_lt>sret: Whever data you read & write from linux could be put on a partition seperate from the Windows system files.
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12:06<sret>you got a link to doing this?
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12:07<sret>nvm found one, thanks
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12:30<MeantiahGenius3>HEY ANY HELP
12:31<MeantiahGenius3>IN THIS PLACE?
12:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:32<MeantiahGenius3>ight. i was trying to get metasploit updated and didn't know if there was a command for me to do it off the konsole or metasploit framework itself.
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12:33<MeantiahGenius3>my whole bt4 seems out of place at the moment and also wanted to know how to save it all while using the usb that i have?
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12:35<arand_>!tell MeantiahGenius3 about backtrack
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12:36<MeantiahGenius3>all i want to know is metasploit update
12:36<MeantiahGenius3>i can do the rest myself.
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12:37<daemonkeeper>Please respect we can't support you, unless you use Debian
12:37<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
12:37<gnugr>MeantiahGenius: try #metasploit channel in
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12:46<armani>i get a segmentation fault when installing squeeze amd64 during select and install can i get around this?
12:47<jhutchins_lt>armani: did you verify the md5sum of the iso and the resulting disc?
12:47<betinho>how do i check if postgresql server is started on every boot?
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12:47<wreckgar> <- help please
12:48<armani>yes...everything checked out when i made the usb install
12:48<jhutchins_lt>rcconf, chkconfig, other utils.
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12:48<jhutchins_lt>armani: check the rc2.d for an Sxx link.
12:49<jhutchins_lt>er, sorry, that was to betinho
12:49<jhutchins_lt>armani: Don't know, that doesn't seem to be a common problem. Have you run memcheck on your RAM?
12:50<armani>yeah i freed up the ram using the free ram, but i think i should have enough,...i have 2 gigs on the machine
12:51<betinho>jhutchins_lt, sorry but "check the rc2.d for an Sxx link" is for me?
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12:51<armani>jhutchins, if i skip that step, where can i get a list of those skipped program so i can apt-get those packages?
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>betinho: Yes. ls -l /etc/rc2.d/
12:52<betinho>jhutchins_lt, tks!
12:52<jhutchins_lt>armani: Not sure if you can, but aptitude -f install might recover most of it; it will make sure that everything that is installed has all of it's bits. You can then install additional software of your choice.
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12:55<armani>jhutchins, ahh...i'm just hoping not to miss those important packages...
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12:56<jhutchins_lt>armani: Trust yourself. If something's missing, install it. If you don't notice that it's missing, you probably don't need it.
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12:57<armani>jhutchins, very good logic..thanks for the advice!
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13:05<zhangqiang>youren ma
13:06<zhangqiang>bei ju a yingwen kan bu dong jiushi beiju
13:06<babilen>zhangqiang: Qing jiang yingwen or go to #debian-zh
13:06<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
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13:07<zhangqiang>wo xiang wen yixia wo shi gang yong linux de ,yong de shi ubuntu ,qingwen nali neng zhaodao zuzhi ?
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13:09<babilen>zhangqiang: /j #debian-zh
13:09<babilen>zhangqiang: Qing da "/join #debian-zh"
13:09<zhangqiang>xiexie ni a daxia
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13:09<babilen>zhangqiang: bukeqi
13:10<zhangqiang>na ni mang zhu ni shentijiankang
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13:10<TheShack>could someone help me with sftp
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13:11<babilen>zhangqiang: Ni shi yong Ubuntu ma? Ubuntu gen Debian by yiyang. Qing da "/server" he "/j #ubuntu-cn" xiexie nin de hezuo!
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13:11<wreckgar> <- help please
13:11<TheShack>it says i dont have permissions
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13:12<TheShack>but i chmod'd it to 777
13:12<themill>TheShack: do try asking a real question in the channel rather than pointing to a pastebin. You might like to ask in #bash
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13:12<zhangqiang>j # ubuntu-cn
13:13<zhangqiang>j #ubuntu-cn
13:13<zhangqiang>weishenme zhiyou wo yigeren a
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13:14<zhangqiang>why only me?
13:14<daemonkeeper>You are on the wrong network, this is (aka OFTC). You need to go to
13:14<zhangqiang>i say 有人吗? no one call me
13:15<zhangqiang>network what meaning?
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13:15<babilen>zhangqiang: Zhe shi -- ubuntu de pingdao bu shi zai zher, ni xian yao jinru (da "/server") zai da "/join #ubuntu-cn"
13:15<TheShack>help ->
13:16<daemonkeeper>Who needs Google translate if there is babilen
13:16<themill>TheShack: err.. sorry, my previous comment was for wreckgar
13:17<zhangqiang>ladies and jieteman ,you english is very niub,can you teach me?
13:17<themill>wreckgar: do try asking a real question in the channel rather than pointing to a pastebin. You might like to ask in #bash
13:17<daemonkeeper>-> #english on Freenode (again)
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13:17<wreckgar>themill, can you answer the question?
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13:18<zhangqiang>“ /sever irc.freenode
13:19<babilen>zhangqiang: Please go to #ubuntu-cn on -- Teaching English and Ubuntu is off-topic in here. Thank you for your cooperation. You might be interested in the ##english channel on freenode. (bi zui!)
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13:19<TheShack>Sorry themill but it was me asking in the IRC chat, I apologize I am new to this
13:19<TheShack>but any help on this would be great -->
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13:22<themill>TheShack: the chroot directory for ssh/sftp connections has specific rules for who should own it and what permissions the dir should have. Check the docs for these details.
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13:32<jhutchins_lt>TheShack: That's not loading here. What kind of system are you connecting from? What program are you using to connect?
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13:35<TheShack>I just figured it out
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13:36<TheShack>i need the user to have all access because its the home directory, i need groups to have access to read and write, and i need everyone else to have access to read and write (for smb)
13:37<GordonGR>Hi! This isn't a debian problem actually, but I thought you could help: I'm not behind a firewall, I have open ports in my router, but I can't connect to msn network with any programme while I could two days ago.
13:37<wreckgar> <- help
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13:37<themill>wreckgar: try asking a real question in the channel rather than pointing to a pastebin. You might like to ask in #bash
13:38<wreckgar>themill, can you answer the question?
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13:38<themill>wreckgar: I'm waiting to find out what it is. (But #bash would be a better place to ask)
13:39<wreckgar>it's too long to write - hence the pastebin attachment
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13:39<jhutchins_lt>TheShack: smb is not the same as system file permissions.
13:39<GordonGR>wreckgar cp /media/disk1/text*txt /media/disk2 perhaps?
13:40<jhutchins_lt>TheShack: Unless you're using unix-to-unix and unix extensions on the server.
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13:40<themill>wreckgar: "Hi! I want to copy all files text01.txt through to text11.txt but not from text12.txt onwards. How do I do this?" Seriously? there's plenty of space left in an irc line.
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13:41<wreckgar>GordonGR, that command will copy all text - what is needed is copy certain text files while ignoring others
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13:41<GordonGR>wreckgar you could use some kind of bash script, or just select them in mc or something
13:42<themill>wreckgar: cp text0* text1{1,2}* /mnt/disk
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13:43<GordonGR>wreckgar Or what themill said :)
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13:43<themill>,info mc
13:43<judd>Package mc (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager. Version: 3:; Size: 2122.4k; Installed: 6448k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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13:44<wreckgar>themill, ok - what if the files to be copied are 09, 11, 20 - ignoring the rest
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13:44<babilen>wreckgar: for i in {01..11}; do echo $i; done (putting that to work is left as an exercise to the reader)
13:44<GordonGR>so... anyone about my network issue?
13:44<wreckgar>babilen, ok - what if the files to be copied are 09, 11, 20 - ignoring the rest
13:45<babilen>cp file{09,11,20}.txt bar/
13:45<themill>wreckgar: or ask #bash about extglob and negative matching
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13:45<wreckgar>themill, no idea what #bash is
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13:45<GordonGR>wreckgar man bash
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13:46<babilen>wreckgar: It is an IRC channel (you are in #debian) where bash is discussed.
13:46<themill>wreckgar: perhaps you could have asked that the last three times I said that then rather than just ignoring the suggestion. #bash is another irc channel.
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13:47<wreckgar>themill, you didn't say it was another irc channel - thought it was something else
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13:47<naveed>hi Ompaul:)
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13:47<themill>wreckgar: you're on irc. Channel names start with a "#". «You could ask in #bash»...
13:47<babilen>wreckgar: And please go to #ubuntu for support with your computer unless there is a more specific channel (like #bash) for your question. Thanks!
13:47<naveed>there sir and Thanks man ,, your script was awesome :)
13:48<wreckgar>how does one know if the question is related to bash or not?
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13:49<babilen>wreckgar: If you are working in the bash shell the chances are high that it is a bash related problem. Please take it elsewhere, thank you :)
13:49<GordonGR>Hi! This isn't a debian problem actually, but I thought you could help: I'm not behind a firewall, I have open ports in my router, but I can't connect to msn network with any programme while I could two days ago. Also, I can't connect to twitter via gwibber. Any suggestions please?
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13:50<jhutchins_lt>GordonGR: Are you running Debian?
13:50<xuser>judd: ~iptables
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13:51<GordonGR>yes, testing
13:51<wreckgar>babilen, never said the work was done in bash, was simply looking for an easy terminal command - thanks
13:51<jhutchins_lt>GordonGR: All bets off with testing, but what are you trying to connect to msn?
13:51<babilen>wreckgar: type "man bash
13:51<GordonGR>everything so jar, jhutchins : amsn, emesene 1.6, pidgin, ...
13:51<xuser>what's the command for judd to list package versions?
13:52<babilen>wreckgar: terminal == bash (unless you know better)
13:52<wreckgar>babilen, hence the reason for coming here
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13:53<babilen>wreckgar: Please install Debian if you want support in here, we can't and won't support Ubuntu in here. If installing Debian is not an option for you ask in #ubuntu on </lastwords>
13:54<lynx>anyone uses wine & steam under debian?
13:54<wreckgar>babilen, where did ubuntu come from? this question was related to debian
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13:54<wreckgar>babilen, never mentioned ubuntu
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13:55<GordonGR>everything so jar, jhutchins_lt : amsn, emesene 1.6, pidgin, ...
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13:57<ompaul>naveed: I don't support it you do now :P
13:58<naveed>ompaul: what do you mean ?
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13:59<GordonGR>(and no iptables running)
13:59<ompaul>naveed: I am joking, you changed stuff and tested it, now it is not mine. It is your script. ;-)
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14:00<naveed>ompaul:) Thanks man: really IRC is very useful platform.. you worked on my issue for 1 hour and that was very strange for me because in Country no one help out other
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14:01<naveed>ompaul:) well --remove-source-files switch was very very very good :) because i did not use it earlier ,
14:01<ompaul>naveed: now you have to help the open source community
14:01<babilen>naveed: Welcome to Debian and open source software :)
14:01<ompaul>naveed: it works two ways ;-)
14:02<naveed>ompaul: yes man i am helping Community
14:02<ompaul>babilen: it is all your fault ;-)
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14:03<naveed>ompaul: i have my own site that is .. it is kind of blog, i usually write some Article on different topics
14:04<naveed>ompaul:) Thanks man ,I will try to Share my Knowledge with Community as you did yesterday
14:04<ompaul>naveed: please talk about about stuff that is not directly related to help in #debian-offtopic ;-)
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14:04<naveed>ompaul:) okay sir
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14:18<aussa>hi, how do I know if build was successful, I don't see any "Build Successful" but I can't see any errors either...
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14:20<sney>aussa: I don't know what you're building, but if it finished and returned you to a prompt without errors, that usually means it worked
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14:22<aussa>is this the right way to save an output? make &> name.log ?
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14:25<retrospectacus>aussa: make > name.log 2>&1
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14:25<chealer>aussa: check your shell's manual page
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14:27<aussa>the output file is very short... I supposed the "build" worked :D
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14:32<pero>i have an issue with installing packages on squeeze virtualized on open vz. specifically:
14:33<pero>any thoughts?
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14:37<Wanabee>what's up here?
14:38<retrospectacus>this is the Debian support channel
14:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:39<BonZo>i have a problem
14:39<BonZo>i would liketo install debian
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14:39<BonZo>but i'm toot tired right now
14:39<BonZo>any advice?
14:40<LotR>yes. go to bed.
14:40<retrospectacus>hire a friend to install it for you while you sleep?
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14:42<BonZo>I do not trust anyone in that regard. He could kill me in my sleep
14:42<retrospectacus>better wait til tomorrow then
14:43<retrospectacus>and install it yourself
14:43<retrospectacus>in a locked room
14:43<retrospectacus>with no windows
14:43<retrospectacus>you will need power and probably ethernet though
14:43<devil>dont forget to wear your alu hat
14:44<devil>erm tin foil, that is
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14:45<retrospectacus>yes, tinfoil hat, grounded to the PC chassis
14:45<retrospectacus>and reflective sunglasses
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14:49<jhutchins_lt>Paranoia is a symptom of sleep deprivation.
14:49<ompaul>who said that?
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14:49<ter>General question : researching upgrading from lenny to squeeze for just a few relative simple setups. Would it be easier just to do fresh installs, in view of the reputed significant discontinuities?
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14:50<ompaul>ter: if you strayed outside of the official debian repos then I'd say (others might not), you should nuke and start again (unless you know what you are doing) otherwise
14:51<jhutchins_lt>ter: Upgrades have been oretty good.
14:51<ompaul>!tell ter about lenny-squeeze
14:51<jhutchins_lt>!tell ter about lenny->squeeze
14:51<ompaul>thats the one#
14:53<ter>more opinions?
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14:54<chealer>ter: which significant discontinuities?
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14:54<ompaul>ter: grab a look at the bot's instructions when you do go for it
14:54<ter>"Because of the many changes in the kernel between lenny and squeeze regarding drivers, hardware discovery and the naming and ordering of device files, there is a real risk that you may experience problems rebooting your system after the upgrade"
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14:55<ter>The recovery method is essentially a fresh install.
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14:57<ompaul>ter: if your confidence is that low go and get a live cd
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14:58<AzaToth>first time I installed debian in over 7 years ツ
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15:02<ter>Better be low than sorry. Thanks for the survey results so far.
15:02<jhutchins_lt>ter: We haven't actually seen a lot of that if people follow the recommendations and check their hardware.
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15:04<ter>OK. Got what I looked for for now.
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15:07<pero>i have an issue with installing packages on squeeze virtualized on open vz. specifically: ; any thoughts anyone?
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15:08<nephew>hi im new to debian and my wifi card dont seem to work, i think there is a missing driver... can someone help me?
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15:08<retrospectacus>nephew: what is your wireless card
15:09<AzaToth>I'm happy I at last go an new computer ツ
15:09<nephew>with lspci i get this
15:09<nephew>03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
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15:10<AzaToth>last one I installed 7 years ago... have happened some in the debian installed since then ツ
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15:11<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time, mac80211-based driver is planned for Linux 2.6.40. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from
15:11<retrospectacus>nephew: ^
15:11<retrospectacus>sorry I can't help further, I'm off for lunch
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15:13<f0rk>are there official debian ec2 amis? a google search reveals discussion on the issue as a summer of code project, but I couldn't find anything more
15:14<AzaToth>thoughI noticed something funky in debian installed. I was gonig to install / onto an ssd, and /home onto an normal 1TB:er, but when I first choosed the "use as much continious space as possible" or something, then it tried to only use the rest space on my USB stick instead of using any of the hard drives...
15:16<nephew>retrospectacus: i did this
15:16<nephew>but it still not working
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15:18<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time, mac80211-based driver is planned for Linux 2.6.40. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from
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15:23<ompaul>dpkg: hehe
15:23*dpkg laughs so loud it bursts its buffers and everything ends up in bit-buckets
15:23<ompaul>bot you is clever
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15:40<kingsley>May I please have the benefit of your informed thoughts on diagnosing why a long running batch process seems to have hung, and why top and "ps aux" report it's using contradictory amounts of CPU?
15:41<kingsley>The batch process in question seems to have stopped logging output, yet it hasn't finished.
15:41<kingsley>Furthermore, the "top" command says it's only using 1% of the CPU, but "ps aux" says it's using about 80%.
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15:43<salahuddin66>kingsley: you batch process might having
15:43<kingsley>It seems to have stopped logging at about the same time as I was experimenting with analyzing it's log file, and I find myself wondering, if I may have inadvertently confused the kernel, bash shell or R language interpreter.
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15:47<kingsley>salahuddin66: I looked that the URL you suggested, and followed its advice of checking for a zombie process with a "z" in "ps" command's "STAT" field.
15:48<kingsley>salahuddin66: The hung process has a STAT of "SN+", and I found no zombie processes.
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15:48<kingsley>salahuddin66: Having said that, I agree with your reasoning, and think it was worth checking.
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15:50<salahuddin66>kingsley: You may write to some test case to check for errors in batch process
15:51<kingsley>salahuddin66: Please elaborate.
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15:54<jakob>hi, does anybody have some expirience with spinning down disks...
15:55<jakob>mazze: have you ever done somting like this?
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15:56<mazze>no i only work on linux with cp and mv and somthing linke this...
15:56<gpm>hola happy cinco de mayo debianers
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15:59<kingsley>salahuddin66: I checked the URL, and it seems to point to a Wikipedia entry for "unit testing", which seems to me to be basically cutting down the code to isolate the bug. Maybe that's what it'll take, but I hope there's a faster way.
16:00<salahuddin66>kingsley: The batch process contains what kind of staff binary or script ?
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16:00<kingsley>salahuddin66: Thanks for asking.
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16:03<kingsley>salahuddin66: The batch process contains an interpreter for the "R" programming language (/usr/lib/R/bin/exec/R), which runs an R language script over the course of several days.
16:03<kingsley>salahuddin66: Did I answer your question?
16:03<Dattebayo>hey guys i dont have cd rom and when i ls media it shows me the hard i attached
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16:05<salahuddin66>kingsley: yes. Hope this will help you to debug, but it is not specific to debian. Please ask R language related channel
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16:06<babilen>kingsley: Do you have its PID?
16:06<babilen>kingsley: I would take a peek with strace -pPID in that case
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16:07<betinho>finally a can put the new postgresql 8.4 running but the psql terminal is still using the old one (8.3). What should i do?
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16:07<betinho>the new postgresql 8.4 server is running on boot
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16:08<nyov>betinho: did you have them installed in parallel?
16:08<kingsley>babilen: Yes, I believe I can get it's PID, and I like your suggestion of strace-ing it.
16:08<nyov>betinho: in that case 8.4 will be installed with a higher port number, 5433
16:09<babilen>kingsley: Exploring /proc/PID might also be worth a try. /me is bbl, good luck
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16:09<betinho>nyov, it's wrong running the two versions in parallel?
16:10<nyov>personally I disliked the 8.3 to 8.4 upgrade the most as of yet. it gave me lots of problems, sadly
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16:10<nyov>betinho: no it's possible
16:11<nyov>betinho: just make sure to check the configuration files, and change them if necessary (like your port number)
16:12<nyov>betinho: try connecting with psql -p5433 see if that get's you the 8.4 server
16:12<betinho>nyov, where i found this configuration files?
16:13<nyov>betinho: /etc/postgresql/[8.3|8.4|...]/main/
16:13<kop>The answer to postgres updgrades is in the readme.debian.
16:13<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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16:14<nyov>betinho: if you do need to upgrade 8.3->8.4 check out the pg_upgradecluster, pg_dropcluster tools
16:15<betinho>nyov, ok when a run psql -p5433 the result was Welcome to psql 8.3.13 (server 8.4.7);
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16:16<nyov>betinho: then your psql client is still 8.3 -- aptitude install postgresql-client-8.4
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16:16<kop>betinho: You'll also want to READEM.Debian about the PGCLUSTER env variable.
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16:18<kop>betinho: PGCLUSTER is how I've found to have 8.3 and 8.4 installed at the same time and be able to connect to both.
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16:23<betinho>nyov, kop: i've installed the psql client 8.4 and the connection was perfect; now i'm interesting in switch 8.3 and 8.4 (because the data - tables - still was in 8.3)
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16:24<nyov>betinho: see what kopt told you, and check out the tools I mentioned, that's what you want. read the docs
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16:25<betinho>nyov, kop: thanks i will get that!
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16:27<nyov>betinho: but as a hint: drop the empty 8.4: pg_dropcluster --stop 8.4 main then upgrade the old one: pg_upgradecluster 8.3 main
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16:28<nyov>remember to backup as always
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16:29<gpm>i tried to enable autologin for gdm3 by editing /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf since the gdmsetup gui is broken but it's still not working. any clues?
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16:31<betinho>nyov, thanks in advance! nyov++
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16:34<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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16:40<dacer>hi, how to remove disk quota from a system?, remove lines from /etc/fstab and remove quote packages?
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16:43<webad_13>I would like to use debian without de - could someone give me pointers as to the resolution configuration in console mode... I have two monitors (one on laptop and external) but I am using only the external one... also how would I configure color depth
16:44<themill>dpkg: tell SynrG about what's my wireless
16:44*themill runs
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16:45<babilen>webad_13: Take a look at /etc/default/grub and read the info document referenced in there
16:46<retrospectacus>dacer, just remove quota bits from the "options" part of fstab
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16:47<dacer>retrospectacus, ok, there will be not problem with aquota files, or something like?
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16:48<retrospectacus>not sure
16:49<dacer>ok, thanks retrospectacus
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16:50<hever>I'm going to show PDFs in firefox tabs is there any free pdf reader that has a firefox plugin or must I use the adobe reader plugin?
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16:51<themill>hever: can mozplugger do that? Konqueror can embed okular. (personally, I hate such embedding, but each to their own)
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16:51<juser>how do I go about mounting an encrypted debian installation from a livecd or similar, for scanning that debian box for rootkits/virus etc? Is there some recommended livecd for example for doing this, and how do I mount the encrypted harddrive?
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16:52<hever>themill, I'm not sure if I like it. I haven't used those plugins for years. At the moment I just have to display it in a tab for a presetation...
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16:53<themill>hmm... separate viewers doesn't make more sense anyway for a presentation? (full screen pdf ftw)
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16:53<daemonkeeper>themill: (Was rather buggy last time I tried it)
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16:54<themill>eek.. what a thought. a kpart inside an xul app. *shudder*
16:54<hever>themill, It's a comparison of two websites in a screencast. Sometimes I show some pdf slides.
16:54<daemonkeeper>themill: There is also a real kparts plugin.
16:55<linus>Hi room: I am unable to get a file to upload and need the following changed, I tried "lame" but am not that comfortable with command line other than browsing etc.. I have converted it to .wave but i get an error "not a valid audio (wave) file. Please make sure that the file is a wave file with either 16 kpbs linear PCM encoding or 8kbps PCMU encoding. "
16:55<themill>hever: hmm... alt+tab to the pdf viewer when needed?
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16:57<hever>themill, of course I thought about that but I think this is the best way. Great mozplugger seems to work! Any Idea where I could change what pdf viewer is used ?
16:57<themill>hever: we've already established that I don't like mozplugger and don't use it :)
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16:58<themill>hever: I wouldn't be surprised if the only choice were xpdf though
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17:16<nyov>linus: what type of file is it you want to upload?
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17:30<juser>how do I go about mounting an encrypted debian installation from a livecd or similar, for scanning that debian box for rootkits/virus etc? Is there some recommended livecd for example for doing this, and how do I mount the encrypted harddrive?
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17:30<gpm>i tried to enable autologin for gdm3 by editing /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf since the gdmsetup gui is broken but it's still not working. any clues?
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17:33<babilen>dondelelcaro: ping
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17:35<streuner>babilen: /whois dondelelcaro
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17:38<retrospectacus>!seen dondelelcaro
17:38<dpkg>dondelelcaro is currently on #debian #debian-women #debian-ops, last said: 'gnugr: I will get to it when I get to it; asking me repeatedly is annoying and useless'.
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17:39<streuner>that was about 1 hour ago...
17:39<@dondelelcaro>babilen: ?
17:39-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
17:40<babilen>dondelelcaro: pm ok?
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17:40<babilen>streuner, retrospectacus: I just wanted to ping :)
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17:42<todd>Hi, anyone here good with java?
17:42<sney`>this isn't a programming channel, your best bet would be to find an actual java channel
17:42<retrospectacus>todd: sure, but this channel is for Debian
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17:42<todd>Sorry, I never use irc clients, recommend one please?
17:43<streuner>todd, most people use irssi and many X-Chat
17:43<todd>(i meant java channel :P)
17:43<streuner>for devel Java?
17:43<todd>uhh i just got a debugging question
17:44<todd>I'm stuck in my code and want some fresh eyes to take a look at it...
17:44<retrospectacus>##java on
17:44<todd>alright, thanks !
17:44<streuner>maybe you should ask #xchat
17:44<todd>(to both of you)
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17:50<aussa>hi, how do I fix the cmake warning for developers "Policy CMP0007 is not set"? it tells me to "Use the cmake_policy command to set the policy and suppress this warning." but that command does not exist, any help or advices?
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17:51<edbian>Looking to improve boottimes. Should I install readahead or readahead-fedora?
17:51<kop>aussa: You could use apt-file to search for cmake_policy.
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17:52<kop>edbian: Just use the squeeze dependency based boot system insserv. If you didn't install but upgraded see the squeeze release notes.
17:53<aussa>it doesn't exist either :S
17:53<edbian>kop: I was going to follow this: Looks like insserv does this automatically?
17:54<kop>edbian: No, but it helps so much that pre-reading the disk sounds like overkill.
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17:54<kop>edbian: The best instructions are usually found in the release notes. That's what they're for.
17:55<aussa>where do I find them?
17:55<kop>!tell aussa about apt-file
17:55<kop>aussa: You need to install it.
17:55<edbian>kop: I don't see anything about optimizing boot speed or insserv ?
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17:56<edbian>Just boot timing issue (which I already knew vaguely)
17:56<kop>edbian: It tells you how to upgrade lenny to insserv.
17:57<kop>s/insserv/squeeze's innserv/
17:57<edbian>kop: where?
17:58<kop>edbian: Can't look. Gotta go. Basically the upgrade asks. If you don't do it you later dpkg-reconfigure something. I forget what.
17:58<edbian>kop: cya
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18:02<aussa>cmake_policy does not exist
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18:05<edbian>When my system boots very early on. (Right after grub) I get a bunch of errors about wacom or something. It goes so fast I can't read it and it doesn't appear in the scroll back of tty1. How can I debug this?
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18:06<aussa>and I get a warning about ALSA drivers or something
18:07<retrospectacus>edbian: you should be able to read that with "dmesg|less"
18:07<quietone>I'm having trouble installing wheezy, can I ask here or do I go elsewhere?
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18:07<retrospectacus>quietone: ask here
18:07<streuner>quietone: you are right here :-)
18:07<juser>how do I go about mounting an encrypted debian installation from a livecd or similar, for scanning that debian box for rootkits/virus etc? Is there some recommended livecd for example for doing this, and how do I mount the encrypted harddrive?
18:07<streuner>quietone: we support Debian...
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18:09<edbian>retrospectacus: I don't think it is. Maybe I can reboot and record it hang on.
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18:09<retrospectacus>edbian: arg
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18:09<retrospectacus>he can press ^S to pause bootup, right?
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18:10<streuner>quietone: is the hardware not supported?
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18:10<retrospectacus>or is that function no longer available
18:10<streuner>quietone: did you use a stable debian-installer (d-i) and tried to upgrade to testing/wheezy first?
18:10<ml|>dpkg: bootlogd
18:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
18:10<quietone>;-) wheezy clean install on laptop, I get something like "startp..... failed: ... udev" I can find references to it on web but no solutions
18:11<streuner>wheezy clean install means a devel (beta) d-i (debian-installer)?
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18:12<streuner>(in other words, what kind of debian-installer do you use)
18:12<ml|>edbian: /msg dpkg bootlogd
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18:13<streuner>quietone: daily-builds sucks mostly, you should be very lucky if they work
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18:14<ml|>yep, should install stable and move to testing if that is what you want to do
18:14<streuner>quietone: just use a stable installer and upgrade to testing/whezzy
18:14<streuner>quietone: s/whezzy/wheezy/
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18:16<quietone>streuner, just to be sure. You mean that I should install stable and then upgrade to wheezy?
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18:16<streuner>quietone: and install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges
18:17<xuser>quietone: make sure just to install the minimum of stable, the less you have to upgrade the better
18:17<quietone>streuner, can't I just install wheezy? I just reformatted my disk - it is all nice and clean.
18:17<webad_13>I asked this question earlier on, but I still haven't managed to "master" the issue (to be honest, I haven't managed to much). I would like to be able to change resolution, select display monitor, and change font and color depth
18:17<webad_13>all in console mode without desktop environment
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18:18<webad_13>I tried adding vga=ask, but this did not work
18:18<webad_13>is there a way to interactively change the resolution while in console mode
18:18<webad_13>something along the line of xrandr
18:18<streuner>quietone: as xuser already told you, you need a some basic packages and the kernel...
18:19<streuner>quietone: *AND* a debian-installer which sup
18:19<streuner>quietone: *AND* a debian-installer which supports your hardware (kernel) - not more or less
18:20<ZykoticK9>webad_13, vga= is deprecated, some info at
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18:21<webad_13>ZykotickK9, is it possible to change resolution and select monitors interactively without modifying grub?
18:21<babilen>webad_13: Please don't follow the advice given on the wiki (or let me finish reading it first)
18:21<webad_13>babilen, ok
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18:22<ZykoticK9>webad_13, i don't know, I just know vga= was removed a while ago
18:22<babilen>webad_13: Please don't follow it. There is a info document noted in /etc/default/grub which discussed all configuration options you can set in there. Just add them and update grub. You really don't want to fiddle with the scripts. If you think that you have to, think again.
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18:23<edbian>My udev was complaining about xserver-xorg-input-wacom rules in /etc/udev/rules.d I removed the package which shut it up. I don't have any wacom devices so whatev
18:24<themill>edbian: you can just purge the package
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18:24<babilen>webad_13: I think it basically boils down to setting #GRUB_GFXMODE=??? and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
18:24<edbian>themill: I did
18:24<themill>edbian: purge not remove
18:24<edbian>themill: yeah I did.
18:24<edbian>Thanks :)
18:26<themill>edbian: fwiw it's from a left-over config file from lenny. just removing that file would be sufficient too. reinstalling that package won't bring back those messages.
18:26<quietone> streuner, xuser : thank you
18:26<edbian>themill: oh good :)
18:27<webad_13>babilen, this how can I access this info document in /etc/default/grub?
18:27<babilen>webad_13: The command is given in that file (at the top)
18:27<webad_13>I don't see any reference to it, or I'm missing sth
18:27<babilen>webad_13: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
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18:31<webad_13>babilen, any idea how to select the display I want (I would like to use dvi and display nothing on lvds
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18:32<webad_13>btw, thanx for the help so far - it has been quite useful
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18:32<babilen>webad_13: never had the need to do that, sorry. :)
18:33<streuner>Zomb: killed sound almost like k-lined :-)
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18:48<edbian>I'm reading that there are two hwclock sync scripts. The first is needed and the second is not needed. Is this true? What is the best method for removing the unneeded script?
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18:49<mkad> Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable
18:49<mkad>anyone going to solve it?
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18:49<mkad>is there a temportary solution?
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18:50<streuner>edbian: amset:/# ls -l /etc/init.d/hwclock*
18:50<streuner>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5079 14. Mai 2010 /etc/init.d/
18:50<retrospectacus>mkad, pastebin your entire aptitude command and output
18:50<streuner>edbian: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5061 14. Mai 2010 /etc/init.d/
18:51<retrospectacus>edbian: I also have both files. Never a problem
18:51<edbian>streuner: in /etc/rcS.d
18:51<edbian>retrospectacus: I am reading it is slow
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18:51<streuner>edbian: sure, but like retrospectacus told you, we never had a problem at all...
18:52<edbian>streuner: I never suggested it was a problem. Will my boot time be 10 seconds faster with one of them removed?
18:52<edbian>streuner: In short, do I need both?
18:53<streuner>edbian: no idea, but iam pretty sure, you dont boot much faster then :-P
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18:53<babilen>mkad: Please throw in your /etc/apt/sources.list and the of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy pidgin" please
18:53<themill>babilen: I think that's known perl transition breakage
18:53<retrospectacus>mkad: are you on Lenny still?
18:54<streuner>edbian: hwclock just set the time to your hardware, if the ntp is right and your DNS doesnt suck, it should be a problem at all, IMO
18:54<babilen>themill: I am very much suspecting that, but don't see this problem on my local machine and wanted to investigate a bit more.
18:54<edbian>streuner: shouldn't be a problem you mean?
18:54<streuner>i never had any
18:54<edbian>time to test!
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18:55<edbian>Do I need either one if I'm using ntp??
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18:58<babilen>themill: yeah, it definitely is. The question I ask myself now is why pidgin works fine here :)
18:59<themill>"held back"?
18:59<streuner>themill: time to kill holds on your machine :-P
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19:00<babilen>themill: No, I have the latest version installed and I haven't yet made the transition. The dependency on perlapi-5.10.1 can not be fulfilled as I don't have it installed (being a virtual package after all)
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19:01<streuner>babilen: real sid user make *ANY* change, what it cost :-P
19:02<babilen>I beg to differ :)
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19:02<xuser>real men use stable
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19:02<streuner>babilen: dont tell me, i cannot install hplib now... :-P
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19:03<streuner>xuser: i just forgot to make the change via sources.list until squeeze is frozen...
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19:04<jhutchins_lt>streuner: Eh? Squeeze is released.
19:04<streuner>but now its too late, i guess i'll be a sid user in future too
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19:05<streuner>jhutchins_lt: yeah, but the time before squeeze is frozen...
19:05<streuner>jhutchins_lt: at this time i was able to make a stable system here...
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19:06<streuner>jhutchins_lt: but anyway, do you think after 10 years, iam going to change my habits about Debian then? :-P
19:06<streuner>forget that
19:07<streuner>not, because some new Perl packages come to sid...
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19:12<minimalseeker>hi I am trying to do a minimal debian install on my laptop. I am at the "install the base system" step and the installer is asking me about the "Kernel to install". I am presented with 2 choices:: linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 Any ideas which one I should pick?
19:12<minimalseeker>thanks for any suggestions
19:12<xuser>they are both the same
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19:13<retrospectacus>I'd choose the more generic one (the first)
19:13<babilen>minimalseeker: The first package is a metapackage that will always depend on the newest kernel (more or less) if you install that the .32 package will be pulled in as a dependency
19:13<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-amd64
19:13<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64.
19:13<babilen>minimalseeker: See ^^^
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19:14<babilen>minimalseeker: I would also recommend linux-image-2.6-amd64,but it is your system and your administration style
19:14<minimalseeker>thanks so much - I will go with the first one. :-)
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19:15<babilen>minimalseeker: Enjoy -- don't install the desktop task if you are aiming for a minimal system (but you want standard)
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19:16<minimalseeker>good tip - I am trying for an efficient minimal system that uses as little resources as possible.
19:18<babilen>minimalseeker: Once you've installed the base system, you probably want to install X and a light desktop environment (e.g. lxde) or window manager (awesomewm, fluxbox, xmonad, ...)
19:18<minimalseeker>hm.. now I am at the "configure the package manager"step - entering it doesn't do a thing. it comes back to the same menu. Any reason why it isn't doing anything?
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19:19<minimalseeker>what is your preference?
19:19<babilen>regarding what?
19:19<minimalseeker>regarding the graphical environment
19:19<babilen>awesomewm (tiled) or fluxbox (stacked)
19:20<babilen>minimalseeker: I don't have all the installer steps in my head right now ... Are you performing a network installation?
19:20<minimalseeker>yes - it is a network installation
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19:21<minimalseeker>From this small iso image: debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso
19:22<babilen>just keep on going -- i'll be back in a second, but the channel is full :)
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19:22<minimalseeker>thanks for the graphical env suggestions..
19:22<cthuluh>iirc you have to choose your desktop env at boot time
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19:23<cthuluh>(under the "Alternate desktop" entry, or something like that)
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19:23<cthuluh>minimalseeker: other suggestion: ratpoison ;)
19:24<babilen>!tell minimalseeker -about install x
19:24<xuser>babilen: xmonad light? ;)
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19:24<nyov>nah, xmonad extreme
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19:27<webad_13>I am back again with questions about resolution. So I would like to avoid using desktop environment and use only console, but I am having issues with my monitor setup. Resolution of my laptop is 1280x800 and of my external screen 1680x1050. Console autodetects resolution of my laptop and uses it both for internal and external monitor
19:27<webad_13>I would like to be able to 1) turn off laptop screen 2) use exteral with its native resolution
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19:30<webad_13>/sys/class/drm lists: card0-LVDS-1 ; card0-DVI-D-1
19:31<webad_13>I would like to keep DVI connection on only and with native resolution
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19:37<cthuluh>webad_13: using a raw xterm and xrandr would help...
19:37<cthuluh>I'm not knowledgeable on screen resolutions topic, anyway
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19:39<webad_13>cthuluh, xrandr would requre xserver - I am runnign the system without it
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19:39<babilen>webad_13: why? (just curious)
19:39<cthuluh>I understand it
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19:40<aussa>hi, how do I fix the cmake warning for developers "Policy CMP0007 is not set"? it tells me to "Use the cmake_policy command to set the policy and suppress this warning." but that command does not exist, any help or advices?
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19:41<cthuluh>aussa: you'd better ask on
19:41<cthuluh>or perhaps on a debian related dev channel
19:41<aussa>I found that I should run this: cmake_policy(SET CMP0007 OLD) but I don't know where?
19:42<aussa>ok ty
19:42<webad_13>babilen, well it is faster :)
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19:43<babilen>aussa: Read the cmake documentation (cmake-doc) if you decided to use that build system
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19:43<cthuluh>webad_13: I doubt xterm is slower than a raw tty
19:43<minimalseeker>so rather dumb question but it is necessary to do the # aptitude install xorg step before any windows manager like fluxbox etc.
19:43<minimalseeker>and why?
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19:44<minimalseeker>(I am logged into the minimal system command line now)
19:44<babilen>webad_13: Than what? Measured how? But it is ok, we don't have to get into it (and shouldn't here anyway) -- I was just curious as I don't see what that gets you what a minimal window manager and a few terminals wouldn't get you as well. You could even use twm with xterms :)
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19:45<babilen>minimalseeker: I woud do that, the window managers will pull it in, but take it step by step :)
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19:49<minimalseeker>any recommendations for a good Debian Repository Sources List
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19:49<minimalseeker>I am editing my sources.list file
19:49<minimalseeker>Am in US east coast btw
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19:50<alexMocanu>I love the east coast :)
19:50<minimalseeker>well... except for the extended winter...
19:51<alexMocanu>well I'm from England, I don't mind crappy weather as I'm used to it :)
19:51<babilen>!tell minimalseeker -about mirrors
19:52<minimalseeker>hahaha - I ready for summer but we keep getting blasted snow from our lakes!
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19:52<babilen>minimalseeker: May I suggest #debian-offtopic or #moocows for chat? (we have beer!)
19:53<minimalseeker>oops sorry
19:53<minimalseeker>I will keep to topic. :)
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20:03<minimalseeker>okay I am running up against a blank wall.
20:03<minimalseeker>it says
20:04<minimalseeker>couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xorg"
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20:04<minimalseeker>I have testing main contrib non-free
20:05<minimalseeker>'in my sources.list
20:05<minimalseeker>should I be adding anything else?
20:05<minimalseeker>How can I check if my net connection is working...
20:05<ZykoticK9>minimalseeker, see if "aptitude update" works
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20:06<minimalseeker>its working!
20:06<dpkg> is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead, ask me about <mirrors>. See for more information.
20:06<minimalseeker>its downloading stuff!
20:07<ZykoticK9>minimalseeker, once it finishes try the xorg again
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20:39<grummund>hmm, i'm just curious... could one raid an SSD & HDD together to get the speed of SSD and reliability of convntional HDD?
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20:40<grummund>...or does the raid'ed speed default to lowest common denominator?
20:40<sney`>you'd get some middle ground with occasional bursts of speed
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20:40<sney`>not a practical solutuion to anything
20:41<grummund>but faster than HDD+HDD ?
20:41<sney`>though if you were using one of the less common RAID levels that uses a dedicated parity drive, having the parity drive be a SSD *could* speed some things up
20:41<daemonkeeper>Not necessarily faster, depending on your RAID level the filesystem waits for a synch
20:41<kop>Someone had an interesting thought the other day. Using software to have an ssd drive cache for a hard drive.
20:42<sney`>like a giant disk cache?
20:42<daemonkeeper>kop: That already exists. Its called read/write cache an some filesystems do support it.
20:42<kop>sney`: Yeah.
20:42<kop>daemonkeeper: Which ones?
20:42<grummund>well that's kinda what i was thinking a mirror would do
20:43<kop>daemonkeeper: Anything that's stable enough to rely on?
20:43<cthuluh>maybe simple lvm mirroring, yes
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20:43<sney`>really, if you want speed gains from a SSD, the best thing is to kick out the conventional drives altogether
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20:44<daemonkeeper>kop: ZFS ist best known for its read/write cache support, which allows to cache data on demand on SSDs. On Linux there is flashcache which is a block driver on the device mapper architecture.
20:44<sney`>a single SSD is probably more reliable than a single mirrored pair of mechanical HDs anyway
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20:44<kop>daemonkeeper: So you could use flashcache to speed up any dm array, even a raid1 that's degraeded with only one drive?
20:45<grummund>sney`: hmm, why's that?
20:45<daemonkeeper>Yes, flashcache works on top of any given block device.
20:45<kop>grummund: No moving parts to wear.
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20:45<ssal>anyone using KDE?
20:45<daemonkeeper>Since you can stack them as you want
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20:45<kop>!tell ssal about anyone
20:46<kop>daemonkeeper: That sounds like a decent approach. I could see looking into lvm as well, although that sounds like more of a strech.
20:46<sney`>grummund: drop them both off a table and tell me which one still works
20:46<grummund>kop: well the whole premise behind the question was that HDD >> SSD in terms of availability :-)
20:46<daemonkeeper>kop: A common setup for flashcache would be a large RAID, together with a small SSD which is transparently accessed as single block device.
20:47<daemonkeeper>kop: Depending on your configuration, the SSD disk holds a LRU cache of frequently accessed blocks
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20:48<kop>daemonkeeper: I can't seem to find flashcache in squeeze. At least not by package name or via apt-file.
20:48<daemonkeeper>kop: It is not in Debian (yet)
20:48<kop>daemonkeeper: It'd be nice if it did readahead too, but that would seem to require a filesystem.
20:49<kop>daemonkeeper: Ah well.
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20:49<daemonkeeper>Its developed by facebook. They use it for their MySQL databases
20:49<daemonkeeper>And a DKMS kernel module
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20:50<ssal>kop, im trying to get rid of <#> in my titlebars if I have eg(two konsoles running in the same dir)
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20:51<ssal>will say my $PS1 <2> lets say
20:51<kop>daemonkeeper: I wonder why dkms?
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20:52<daemonkeeper>kop: Why not? That's much easier to maintain and build than traditional kernel modules.
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20:52<kop>ssal: If you don't get an answer here you can try again later or try asking in a kde support channel. (I'd guess #kde on, but that's a guess.)
20:52<dpkg>K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (, see also <kde_trouble>. KDE-related IRC channels:
20:53<daemonkeeper>(dpkg knows everything)
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20:53<ssal>thanks, asked in there. no response. see if anyone here had an idea, will check out #debian-kde
20:53<kop>daemonkeeper: I don't know why or why not. If I had to guess I'd say you could get better performance from being in-tree. ?? The only reason I can think of for going out of tree is licensing. Why are dkms modules eaiser to maintain and build?
20:54<daemonkeeper>kop: Or just not accepted yet in-tree?
20:54<kop>daemonkeeper: I suppose. If you wanted to package binaries.
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20:55<daemonkeeper>Performance is exactly the same, of course. The resulting binary is not different than every other kernel module.
20:56<kop>daemonkeeper: I see. I didn't read the factoid correctly.
20:56<jerryclunsford>I am installing zend optimizer the read me says to add a line to the php.ini file does it matter where in the php.ini file I put it I don't see a section for zend or extenions?
20:57<kop>jerryclunsford: Shouldn't matter. (You could as easily put it into /etc/apache2/conf.d/foo, a separate file, using the apache php directives. That'd be more modular.)
20:57<daemonkeeper>FWIW I built an experimental flashcache package for Squeeze. It seems to work, but it might not meet Debian's standards, and I am not particularly interested to make a Debian ready package out of it
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20:58<jerryclunsford>kop I'll take a look at it thanks.
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21:03<webad_13>does anyone know how to disable cursor blinking in console?
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21:07<nignus>ciao a tutti
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21:13<nyov>webad_13: that would depend on your terminal and how it can be configured
21:14<daemonkeeper>And if he's talking about a tty or some terminal emulator for X
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21:20<webad_13>nyov, deamonkeeper tty , no x
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21:40<nyov>webad_13: just read my backlog, well that is kinda nerdcore ;o
21:40<nyov>erm to late
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21:42<zizi>我是新人 有中国人吗???
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21:46<nyov>is that chinese?
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21:49<Holborn>no Spain
21:49<zizi>见到 你很高兴
21:50<zizi>我被windows毒害了很多年 现在转投linux 想找到一个前辈共同学习
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21:51<nyov>nice. would help if you speak english though :P
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21:51<Holborn>Sorry I think only english is allowed in this channel .. nice to mmet you too :-) I dont know if thy are a specific debian chinesse channel sorry ..
21:52<zizi>I english is very back
21:52<zizi>are you speak english
21:52<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
21:52<nyov>i would love to go to singapore some day btw
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21:54<zizi>who is speak chinese??
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21:56<zizi>i konw , thinks
21:56<nyov>ok :)
21:57<minimalseeker>in the output of "top" which number is actually the memory used in a system?
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22:00<dvs>minimalseeker: used
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22:03<minimalseeker>is there some way I can make the display show in mbs instead of K
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22:04<minimalseeker>its horrible - after a minimal install of just the base system with the addition of xorg and fluxbox, its using 161 MB of memory without even starting the graphical environment
22:04<minimalseeker>what am I doing wrong?
22:04<minimalseeker>this is totally not minimal
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22:05<minimalseeker>I used the net install image
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22:05<minimalseeker>161 MB for just command line?
22:05<minimalseeker>Can someone confirm if this is too much or to be expected?
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22:06<minimalseeker>How can crunchbang run in just 88 megs WITH openbox while my minimal debian system with nothing runs with 161 megs?
22:06<minimalseeker>that's nearly double/
22:06<dvs>minimalseeker: the linux kernel will use as much memory as available because unused memory is wasted memroy
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22:09<nyov>minimalseeker: memstat will tell you whats using virtual memory
22:10<babilen>!free memory
22:10<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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22:11<minimalseeker>Hmmm... this is a learning experience
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22:12<minimalseeker>with fluxbox running, now its 231 megs
22:13<babilen>free -m|grep cache: ?
22:13<nyov>231 megs what
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22:15<soloflyer>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. actually it does want to be free... we have to constantly force it using voltage to not be :)
22:15<minimalseeker>now I am a bit confused. With the free -m/grep cache command, it says 97 under used
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22:16<nyov>soloflyer: not if you have static ram :P
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22:16<dvs>minimalseeker: That's the amount of memory being used by programs.
22:17<babilen>minimalseeker: so you actually use 97, wonderful
22:17<minimalseeker>considering there is no program running except fluxbox I guess 97 megs is the base memory?
22:17<minimalseeker>is that a good thing? :)
22:18<soloflyer>minimalseeker: whell im using 958... so your doing better than me :)
22:18<minimalseeker>but what are you running?
22:18<sney>I'm using 391, running xfce, compiz, a browser with 2 tabs open, one of which is playing a youtube video
22:18<sney>and xchat
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22:18<nyov>hahaha I just thought the same thing
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22:19<nyov>sney: certainly not running firefox then
22:19<minimalseeker>that's pretty decent sney
22:19<minimalseeker>not chrome, yes?
22:19<sney>it is chrome
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22:20<minimalseeker>beta channel?
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22:20<minimalseeker>if you close chrome how much does compiz and xfce take
22:20<sney>it is google-chrome-stable
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22:20<minimalseeker>going to install chrome next
22:20<soloflyer>im only using 255m if i close firefox :P
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22:21<sney>with no chrome (and no youtube) it goes down to 226
22:21<sney>just laughing at me for how much ram I have in this computer, really.
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22:21<minimalseeker>how can I make the system recognize taps on the touchpad as clicks instead of having to press the touchpad button all the time
22:21<sney>with synaptics
22:22<minimalseeker>that's a package?
22:22<sney>it's the driver, and now I can't remember how to enable it
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22:22<sney>I think it's on the wiki
22:22<minimalseeker>link please? :)
22:22<sney>I'll see if I can find it
22:22<sney>unless SynrG is around and can remember off the top of his head
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22:24<SynrG>yeah, that
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22:24<minimalseeker>you all are awesome... I tried ubuntu minimal install and it didn't work after SO MANY tries and here I am with a minimal install with debian up and running!
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22:25<SynrG>super tired. off to bed.
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22:34<kop>minimalseeker: Because you're new to debian see below:
22:34<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
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22:47<minimalseeker>If I exit fluxbox I just go to a blank screen - not the terminal prompt. why is that
22:48<minimalseeker>what do I have to do to exit fluxbox and go back to the terminal?
22:48<minimalseeker>once I am at that super blank screen, I have no idea what to do and I end up hard booting
22:48<minimalseeker>(thanks kop for the overview links)
22:49<minimalseeker>And I don't know if I can understand what to do from the wiki section on Synaptics Touchpad that sney linked...
22:51<minimalseeker>Am I understanding this correctly? Do I have to insert everything in the grey box into /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
22:58<nyov>how do you start fluxbox?
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22:59<nyov>could it be your terminal just deactivated?
22:59<minimalseeker>what does that mean?
23:00<nyov>that you need to press a key to reactivate it?
23:01<nyov>but you probably tried that before rebooting?
23:01<minimalseeker>I am not sure which key I need to press..
23:01<minimalseeker>to reactivate if it is deactivated.
23:01<nyov>the anykey
23:02<minimalseeker>any key?
23:02<minimalseeker>or is some specific key called "anykey"
23:02<nyov>try setterm -blank 0 next time
23:03<minimalseeker>you mean I need to type that in my terminal?
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23:03<minimalseeker>before I quit fluxbox?
23:03<nyov>no in your tty before you start it
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23:04<sney>minimalseeker: it says to create a synaptics.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and paste the contents of the gray box into it
23:04<nyov>but what do I know, likely that's just bs
23:06<minimalseeker>okay tried that line in the terminal before fluxbox started, started fluxbox using startx and quit it using right click > exit and I am back to the super blank screen
23:06<minimalseeker>the computer is on
23:06<minimalseeker>because the power button is one
23:07<minimalseeker>and there is a faint backlight on the monitor
23:07<minimalseeker>so that is on too...
23:07<minimalseeker>only there is nothing on the screen
23:07<nyov>hit Ctrl-C ?
23:07<minimalseeker>no dice
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23:08<Holborn>then try Alt F1
23:08<minimalseeker>nothing yet
23:08<nyov>or Ctrl-Alt-F1
23:08<minimalseeker>not working
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23:09<Holborn>ummh ..
23:09<minimalseeker>tried that too... just in case
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23:10<minimalseeker>any other ideas before I hardboot once more?
23:10<nyov>Ctrl-Alt-Backspace/Del ? hm shouldn't work
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23:10<minimalseeker>nopes... :(
23:10<nyov>ssh access?
23:11<alex-johnson>Can I play a wav file and have that output redirected to my webcam (ALSA device hw 1,0)?
23:11<minimalseeker>I type ssh accesss?
23:11<nyov>no, do you have another machine that can log into your dead one?
23:11<nyov>guess not
23:11<minimalseeker>how does one do that?!
23:12<minimalseeker>I have two other laptops.
23:12<minimalseeker>One is on winxp (this one) and an ancient one is running madbox
23:12<sney>openssh-server isn't installed by default
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23:12<nyov>well first you would have to install and configure ssh on that machine
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23:12<arand_>minimalseeker: [alt+sysreq+k] kill everything (X) on frambuffer [alt+sysreq+reisub] (hard-reset nicely)
23:12<nyov>so nopes
23:13<nyov>is sysreq enabled by default?
23:13<sney>magic sysrq key is a kernel thing, so yes
23:13<arand_>nyov: should be.
23:13<minimalseeker>I see a sysrq button (prtsc) but I don't see a reisub button...
23:14<arand_>The -k can acts as a replacement for the -backspace for killing X
23:14<arand_>minimalseeker: Thats the key sequence
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23:15<arand_>minimalseeker: individual keys [r-e-i-s-u-b]
23:16<minimalseeker>I see. So Alt SysRq r e i s u b (with plus sign in between?_
23:16<minimalseeker>or just those keys without the plus sign
23:17<arand_>no plus signs, hold down the alt and sysreq keys and tap the letter keys in sequence, leave a few seconds for the to act.
23:18<minimalseeker>it rebooted!
23:18<minimalseeker>any more things I can try to make the terminal appear once I exit fluxbox
23:18<arand_>minimalseeker: for more info
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23:20<minimalseeker>how interesting!
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23:22<minimalseeker>I will be back tomorrow. its getting rather late. Its good to find that the minimal install does work and I can get up to a windows manager on the debian minimal install... however so many questions remain.
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23:23<minimalseeker>I have to figure out how to do the synaptics touch pad thing, get R installed on this box and start statistical analyses on multithreads to see if this is in any way better than a full blown distro like ubunty
23:23<minimalseeker>good night everyone
23:23<minimalseeker>thanks for all the help and responses
23:24<gowert>love natty! what i hate is unity and 11.-4
23:24<minimalseeker>how do you remove unity from natty completely and put say, openbox on it?
23:25<gowert>first time i enter this chat
23:25<gowert>and saw you write good night
23:25<gowert>so i dit want to say anithing to stop you going
23:25<gowert>frome where are you gays
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23:26<minimalseeker>good night then. all the best with your debian help-seeking
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