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00:00<dennisthetiger>Hey, good enough reason for the purpose.
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00:00<r4co0n>btw, i owe the guy(s) who wrote this documentation bot a beer...
00:01*dennisthetiger debates naming his new server - either muthr or bast
00:01<r4co0n>dennisthetiger, explain yourself pls
00:01<dennisthetiger>r4co0n: what, the server naming?
00:01<r4co0n>dennisthetiger, whats a muthr?
00:01<r4co0n>dennisthetiger: yeah
00:01<dennisthetiger>r4co0n: You ever see Alien?
00:02<r4co0n>dennisthetiger: only know it exists. *blush*
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00:02<dennisthetiger>r4co0n: MUTHR (aka Mother) is the name of the computer on the ship in Alien. Can't explain more without telling you to see the film.
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00:03*nevyn hands in his geekcard I didn't know that.
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00:04<dennisthetiger>nevyn: Nah, that's not a loss of license, that's just a loss of points. =)
00:04<r4co0n>dennisthetiger: you know f.u.c.k.u.p. aka fuckup? no insult intended...
00:04<dennisthetiger>r4co0n: That one I don't know. What's it from?
00:05<r4co0n>dennisthetiger: its a computer aboard a submarine called Heart of Gold(or sth like that, i think this story might predate Adams), that constantly evaluates the probability of third world war.
00:06<dennisthetiger>r4co0n: Appropriate name for such a computer.
00:07<r4co0n>dennisthetiger: Hackbard Celine. FUCKUP (First Universal Cybernetic-Kinetic Ultra-Micro Programmer). Its from Illuminatus
00:07<r4co0n>my train
00:08<r4co0n>gotta go :P
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00:08<dennisthetiger>r4co0n: Feh, I knew that sounded familiar. Ride safe.
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00:09<aussa>how do I uninstall something I "make install" ?
00:09<dennisthetiger>aussa: Usually there's a "make uninstall" to go with it. Check either the readme or install instructions in the source tarball.
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00:15<nico>i use ath9k wireless driver and must set the nohwcrypt option to work fine
00:15<aussa>with the make uninstall will do?
00:15<nico>but now it disconnects every 10 minutes
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00:17<dennisthetiger>aussa: Usually, yes - it basically does the opposite of 'make install'.
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00:18<g3n10l>hola amigos ayuda! q entrar al canal y no estoy ,uy ducho en irc pero la causa es noble..pueden?
00:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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00:20<nico>i use ath9k wireless driver and must set the nohwcrypt option to work fine, but now it disconnects every 10 minutes
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00:22<mmarinb>nico did you see the log messages?
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00:22<nico>yes nothing unusual
00:23<nico>i'll try again.. which one do i have to look at?
00:24<mmarinb>Try with dmesg
00:24<mmarinb>You may check out this link:
00:25<nico>i see.. so.. do i have to upgrade to 2.6.38-4 kernel?
00:25<nico>how do i do that?
00:26<nico>i'm currently on 2.6.38-2
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00:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
00:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
00:31<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
00:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
00:32<nevyn>is that nessicary?
00:32<mattux>no :)
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00:40*dennisthetiger mumbles something about getting lucky with this disk
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00:45<ayaka>I think this is a bug in archieve(I don't it english name, which untar with gui) it can't deal with name include "$" ?
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00:51<ayaka>I said File Roller
00:53<dennisthetiger>huh, I might be able to get that corrupt tarball back with cpio after all. =)
00:55<dennisthetiger>As for my disk, I might be able to wave a dead chicken over it, but I don't have much hope. Anyone got a dead chicken laying around I can borrow? =^_^=
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01:00<nevyn>you're using a chicken
01:00<nevyn>well that'll never work.
01:00<nevyn>chickens were only ever good for network problems
01:00<nevyn>disks require at least a goat.
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01:01<dennisthetiger>nevyn: Ah, you're right.
01:01<dennisthetiger>nevyn: Well, here in Seattle, there are plenty of 'em that rent goats, but they tend to be a) live and b) for clearing blackberry brambles. Not sure I can rent a *dead* goat, and I think he wants it back unsacrificed.
01:01<nevyn>guess you're outta luck.
01:02<dennisthetiger>nevyn: Indeed. But, she served me well. Shall we drink to the demise of my 1/2 tb drive? =)
01:02<dennisthetiger>!beer nevyn
01:02*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for nevyn
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01:05<dennisthetiger>Well, at least I have a new source of neodymium magnets. =)
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01:13<thisisweird>chris sup
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01:14<thisisweird>see that :)
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01:46<elwoood>I wasn't able to figure out why something disappeared from libqt4-webkit. Is it worth filling a debian bug?
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01:58<chealer>elwoood: if you consider it important enough that Debian users find the report more quickly. or if you think Debian has more chances to fix the problem than upstream.
01:59<elwoood>chealer: Thank you
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02:16<dpkg>/run is a new cross-distribution location for storage of transient writable files needed from system startup to shutdown, but do not require preserving across reboots. It replaces several locations in the <FHS>. . See also <udev 620995>.
02:16*dpkg breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...
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02:18<devil> /run was reintroduced in sid on the weekend btw and works flawless since here.
02:18<Adonai>meow? do it as debian-like meow!
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03:13<arand>Hmmm, update-manager seems to fail to find the changelog for the libapr1 security update, "aptitude changelog" works fine, this seems to be a common issue, is u-m reading it's chnagelogs from anywhere else than normal?
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04:38<cer_abg>hi there
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05:01<jerryclunsford>I am considering getting a usb hub are there any compatibility issues? What will I have do to get it working? I have not seen anything on hubs in Debian Hardware.
05:01<jm_>you don't need to do anything
05:01<petemc>as long as you have a working usb port
05:01<jm_>(other than plugging it in of course)
05:02<jerryclunsford>Ok, Thanks a lot have working usb port. I was hoping that was all there was to it.
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05:17<SorryGuest>I'm trying to run a script on start up as a specific user (so it won't be root), so I put a script /etc/init.d/ that does su slave-user -c '/etc/init.d/slave-user'. This works on debian 5 but not 6, why's that?
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05:17<jm_>use start-stop-daemon -u
05:17<jm_>in the init script
05:17<SorryGuest>how is it different?
05:17<jm_>this way you don't need two init scripts
05:18<SorryGuest>yea, but it's a program, if I update it it might override the file so I think it's better to have 2 scripts
05:19<jm_>update what?
05:19<SorryGuest>if I ever apt-get upgrade it
05:19<jm_>define "it"
05:19<SorryGuest>tor ...
05:20<SorryGuest>I'm trying to use as a different user so iptables will be easier, and it has the benefit of not being root
05:22<jm_>why don't you specify which user tor daemon should use in its config file?
05:23<jm_>as to why this isn't working - does it report any errors?
05:23<SorryGuest>I don't think there's such an option.. but I'll see
05:23<jm_>man page says "User"
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05:24<SorryGuest>it asks for tor-user's password
05:24<SorryGuest>which it didn't in debian 5 (running as root it has no problem doing su tor-user)
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05:25<jm_>hmm perhaps check pam config for su
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05:27<SorryGuest>pam config?
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05:33<jm_>/etc/pam.d/su - but it looks like it's using common-auth by default
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07:05<Marezz>Hello everyone
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07:06<Adonai>Hello... friend.
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07:12<wanggui>wat 's your name?
07:12<wanggui>what's your name?
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07:13<Adonai>Technoviking is my name.
07:13<Adonai>Eating your mind to make me tame.
07:13<themill>wanggui: I suspect you want either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-cn on
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07:14<lynx_>hello, how i've got a server at my office and i'd like to know if there's a way to install debian without any desktop environment by default + no applications like browsers, etc. i'd like to install then lxde and thats it, i've heard i need to install xorg and x11 as well, and i've not found a debian iso without desktop environments nor apps, can someone help me?
07:15<jm_>lynx_: that's the default if you don't select anything at the end
07:16<lynx_>jm_: you sure? because cd 1 iso comes with gnome =.=
07:16<babilen>lynx_: Yeah, but it is not installed if you don't install the desktop task
07:16<lynx_>and anyway
07:16<jm_>lynx_: sure, but now I don't have to explain the details anymore :)
07:16<lynx_>lets say i want something to use on my desktop so i can use visuals but i dont want it to come with apps
07:17<lynx_>anydesktop environment like xfce, gnome, lxde comes with em
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07:17<lynx_>is there any desktop environment whicvh doesnt comes with apps?
07:17<lynx_>i want to choose my own browser, my own ftp client, irc, i dont want my desktop environment to choose it for me
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07:17<jm_>lynx_: try "/msg dpkg install gnome" to see that even gnome can be installed this way (somewhat)
07:18<themill>lynx_: it's debian -- you install the packages you want.
07:18<jm_>lynx_: disabling installation of recommended packages also helps
07:19<lynx_>i heard of blackbox, openbox, what are those?
07:19<grove>window managers
07:19<lynx_>anyway, debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso should work as i want to if i dont install the desktop environment, right?
07:19<grove>lynx_: Yes
07:19<lynx_>oh, whats the difference between an window manager and a desktop environment
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07:19<lynx_>sorry, i've migrated to unix world couple months ago
07:20<lynx_>i'm just trying to figure the best way to install debian that will fit my needs
07:20<Marezz>Adonai, Hellsing fan huh? ^^
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07:21<Adonai>Kind of )
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07:21<grove>a desktop environment includes a window manager (sometimes replacable), but also other things, typical examples are a panel, something allowing you to have icons on your desktop
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07:21<Marezz>are u russian? :D
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07:22<lynx_>also, lets say that i install it without a desktop environment, and then i run apt-get install xfce4 or something, will it auto-install xorg and x11 shit?
07:22<lynx_>or i'll have to do it manually?
07:22<Adonai>Marezz: Sad but true)
07:24<Marezz>Adonai, lol why sad? xD
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07:25<Adonai>Cuz russians are not so pretty as they known to be )
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07:26*Marezz loves russian girls :D
07:26<seeS>good for you
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07:27<Marezz>hello craig, how ya dooooin?
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07:28<Adonai>Russian girls? I know some ^^
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07:36<SynrG>Marezz, Adonai: for socialization, see #debian-offtopic or #moocows. for objectifying women, please see /dev/null
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07:37<Adonai>SynrG: thx, thought about it)
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07:59<quant>hi, I have trouble fully removing KDE from my Squeeze Xfce (some packages persist after aptitude remove kde-standard), can anyone assist, please?
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08:00<jm_>quant: what state are they in?
08:00<quant>jm_, state?
08:01<jm_>quant: Status field as shown by dpkg
08:01<jm_>!remove kde
08:01<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
08:01<quant>ah, thanks... I'll try that now
08:01<dpkg>In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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08:03<quant>!why aptitude
08:03<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
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08:06<quant>all seems nice for now, thanks
08:06<jm_>quant: btw, you can use /msg dpkg foo
08:07<quant>yes, that crossed my mind after I've already spammed the channel, sorry :)
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08:31<alex__>hi, how can i change grub-entries?
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08:32<babilen>OhMyGod: What are you trying to do?
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08:32<OhMyGod>i installed an older kernel and it is now 2nd entry.
08:32<OhMyGod>i want to remove the older one on 1st position
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08:33<jm_>you can also change which is the default entry - much easier
08:33<babilen>OhMyGod: Edit /etc/default/grub and read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" about the GRUB_DEFAULT and GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT option.
08:33<OhMyGod>okay. thanks
08:33<babilen>OhMyGod: Run "update-grub" afterwards
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08:35<rpetre>or purge the old kernel ;)
08:36<OhMyGod>rpetre, its not there anymore i guess
08:36<OhMyGod>it was something with lsh
08:36<babilen>OhMyGod: I don't quite understand your sentences though -- It seems as if you have two "old" kernels :)
08:37<OhMyGod>i dont understand which file i have to change?!
08:37<babilen>OhMyGod: /etc/default/grub
08:38<babilen>OhMyGod: btw, why are you compiling your own kernel?
08:38<OhMyGod>virtualbox didnt work after dist-upgrade
08:38<jm_>probably just needed modules rebuilt
08:38<OhMyGod>yea i tried
08:39<babilen>Shouldn't virtualbox-ose-dkms take care of that automagically?
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08:39<OhMyGod>babilen, there are no entries in this file
08:39<OhMyGod>babilen, yes, but it didnt work "bad luck ...."
08:39<OhMyGod>now its working fine
08:39<babilen>OhMyGod: Which version of Debian do you use?
08:39<jm_>I think that's the idea, but I only use -dkms with my own kernel, so no idea what happens on kernel upgrades etc.
08:39<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. #aptosid on
08:40<OhMyGod>thank you
08:40<babilen>OhMyGod: Please ask in #aptosid as we can't and won't support aptosid in here
08:40<OhMyGod>i understand.
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09:03<CyL>Morning folks, I am trying to connect my Debian box on a network, but network manager shows wired networks (eth0) as being not manageble. My network card has fixed IP attached to it, but this network uses DHCP. I have tried fiddling around with /etc/network/interfaces without much success. Any advice?
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09:06<gsimmons>CyL: If you want NetworkManager to manage eth0, don't reference it in /etc/network/interfaces ; /msg dpkg nm squeeze
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09:07<CyL>gsimmons: thanks very much for your advice
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09:18<sml>afternoon people. anyone here have experience running Exim on a backup MX ?
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09:18<lynx>!flv player
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09:19<rpetre>lynx: mplayer works just fine
09:19<dpkg>MPlayer is a movie player for Unix-like systems. Binary codecs can be provided with the package-supplied script or <w32codecs>. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. As an alternative, use a player based on <xine> or <vlc>. Also ask me about <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>. #mplayer on
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09:22<dpkg>Parole is a media player based on <GStreamer>, intended for use within the <Xfce> desktop environment. Packaged since Debian Squeeze.
09:22<lynx>do i need mplayer even if i got parole?
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09:27<SynrG>!tell lynx about msg the bot
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09:28<hellekin>!tell hellekin about msg the bot
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09:28<SynrG>oh, that's clever, msging the bot in channel to tell yourself about not messaging the bot in channel :)
09:30<SynrG>hellekin: actually, for you we have:
09:30<SynrG>!tell hellekin about self-tell
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09:30<SynrG>sml: just ask your question
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09:31<tehKitten>Should one install lenny or squeeze on a server?
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09:32<tehKitten>I got someone telling me that Squeeze has 'broken libs' and you should install lenny and upgradefrom it
09:32<tehKitten>When I installed Squeeze last week everything just went as it should and is running smoothly
09:33<hellekin>tehKitten: I've been installing squeeze on production servers for a long time
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09:33<tehKitten>So no problems at all? ;)
09:33<quant>tehKitten, I've never seen what you're talking about and I'm running Squeeze
09:33<jww>hello guys.
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09:34<jww>is there some 32bits debian chroot image avalaible somewhere ?
09:34<tehKitten><jasonmaster> if u "upgrade" its ok
09:34<tehKitten><jasonmaster> if u do sq install
09:34<tehKitten><jasonmaster> MANY libs missing
09:34<tehKitten><jasonmaster> was some forum about it every one saying install lenny and upgrade
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09:34<sml>SynrG: I've enabled local_rcpt_callout on Exim but it doesn't seem to work i..e it doesn't appear to be calling out to my primary MX
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09:34<tehKitten>Meh, sowwie ._.
09:35<tehKitten>That's what the guy said, and thought it was weird. Just wanted to verify it.
09:35<rpetre>tehKitten: that's awfully imprecise
09:35<grove>Sounds like somebody that didn't know what they were doing
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09:35<rpetre>that's how shitty rumours get started
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09:36<tehKitten>My squeeze install from last week is still running since then and not a single problem
09:36<tehKitten>Thanks for them answers ;)
09:36<rpetre>i haven't had any such issues, missing libs would be marked as grave bugs
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09:37<rpetre>jww: install one with debotstrap
09:37<rpetre>jww: i wouldn't trust someone else's pre-installed chroot anyway :)
09:37<rpetre>*debootstrap, even
09:37<jww>rpetre: hehe, I just launched debootstrap --arch i386 lenny ./lenny :)
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09:40<jww>thanks for the tips still.
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09:42<SynrG>sml: no idea. maybe someone else here can help? i've used postfix for so long, i forget how to do stuff in exim.
09:43<SynrG>my only point was:
09:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:43<petemc>sml: exim -bhc , will allow you to run a fake smtp session as if you were connecting from
09:43<petemc>with debuging...
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09:49<notmichael_>i think my gnome desktop is too slow. though i dont want to use another desktop environment. i thought about compile gnome on my machine because i heard it would boost performance. is it true? i already disabled all unnecessary plugins
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09:50<petemc>notmichael_: its unlikely to make a noticable difference, also compiling gnome would be a pain in the arse
09:51<notmichael_>petemc, do you know how to make it faster? my computer is not so bad..
09:51<petemc>which parts are slow?
09:51<notmichael_>mainly when it starts
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09:55<notmichael_>has apt the possibility to install all packages from source?
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09:57<rpetre>notmichael_: there are a number of wrong signals about that question :) what exactly do you need?
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09:58<notmichael_>rpetre, well i thought if i compile every package maybe my system will be faster
09:59<notmichael_>at least that's kind of what i heard ;)
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09:59<rpetre>why do you think that?
10:00<rpetre>unless you do specific optimizations that you know would improve them, there's no reason that your compiler is magically better (it's probably the same as the build machine anyway(
10:00<notmichael_>rpetre, people tell me that if i compile from source the binary will be more customized for my computer
10:00<rpetre>notmichael_: only if _you_ customize it
10:00<rigved>notmichael_: your system must be configured to start to many services on boot-up, so it's slow. there's generally a build process with a source package to build it into a binary and install it, generally using GNU make
10:00<petemc>and even then, it will make little or no difference
10:00<rpetre>notmichael_: you're probably thinking about gentoo or similar distros, where they solve the dependencies before compiling stuff
10:01<rpetre>and it arguably brings less codebase into the system
10:01<notmichael_>rpetre, do i have to do the customization for every package?
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10:01<rpetre>notmichael_: if you don't, it would be the _same_ binaries :)
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10:01<rpetre>only with more cpu time lost on your part
10:02<notmichael_>well if it wont make any difference it doesnt seem worth it :)
10:02<rpetre>yes, the "compiled for my machine" myth has a grain of truth, but neglects that you need to be the one doing the optimizations
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10:03<rpetre>so if you have some specific requirements, it can be done (but debian may not be the right distro for you if you need this too much)
10:03<notmichael_>well i am not certain which distribution to use anyway
10:03<rpetre>there are no "magic flags" that are not already set by upstream
10:03<notmichael_>i want something quite stable
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10:04<rpetre>notmichael_: i always tell people to use the one they understand best
10:04<rigved>notmichael_: debian = stable
10:04<rpetre>second criteria would be "the one your friends/coworkers understand best"
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10:04<rpetre>so that whenever things are wrong, you know where to look
10:04<notmichael_>up to now debian works fine for me. i tried arch, suse, and slackware but still debian is my favourite
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10:06<notmichael_>thank you for your advices :)
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10:17<Nemoder>in Testing's icweasel a lot of animated gifs just flash on and off instead of animate but they work fine in other browsers, what would cause this?
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11:04<jaim>how do i access a .vol file (encrypted with freeotfe on windows, xts) in debian? (cryptsetup complains /dev/loop0 is not a luks device (used losetup) and freeotfe in wine is not an option.)
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11:05<_pg_>how can i have crunchbang boot to a terminal session so I can run it headless as a server via ssh?
11:06<quant>_pg_ this is a Debian support channel
11:06<_pg_>quant, i figured id ask, since it is based off debian
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11:07<_pg_>perhaps is could be asked the same thing about debian
11:07<notmichael_>_pg_, as far us i know: if doesnt need X server, remove it
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11:15<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell _pg_ about based on debian
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11:15<jaim>dpkg: tell jaim about based on debian
11:16<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell jaim about selftell
11:16<jaim>sorry :)
11:16<_pg_>no worries
11:16<_pg_>i think init scripts and runlevels is where im headed next
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11:18<piano2040>this is the debian s.o support?
11:18<petemc>s.o ?
11:19<piano2040>operative system
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11:20<piano2040>Debian is it a o.s for beginners?
11:20<piano2040>or no
11:20<petemc>not really
11:20<piano2040>im a beginner
11:20<piano2040>and i want to use linux
11:21<cthuluh>just do it
11:21<gusnan>It's an os for people who are willing to learn something new.
11:21<piano2040>im searching a version to begin
11:21<cthuluh>even though ubuntu is considered as a good start, lots of people have started with debian
11:21<cthuluh>a default gnome desktop is easy to use even for a beginner
11:22<cthuluh>debian was actually my very first OS
11:22<cthuluh>but I don't consider myself as an example ;)
11:22<piano2040>before windows?
11:23<SynrG>debian is an os for everyone. it does not particularly cater to one group over another, though. this means as a beginner, you're not given preferential treatment, but neither do we discriminate against you
11:23<cthuluh>piano2040: no windows at all ;)
11:23<piano2040>i always use windows but i know linux its better
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11:24<cahoot>piano2040: all depends on your needs
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11:25<piano2040>my purpose is to learn linux
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11:26<piano2040>and i would to know if its better a easy version or...
11:26<piano2040>maybe debian
11:26<Nemoder>just try it, if it's too hard try something else
11:26<SynrG>ah. then you have read enough to already have a bias about it that other versions are "easy" and debian isn't?
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11:27<cahoot>piano2040: if you don't mess with your debian it won't mess with you
11:27<piano2040>i know that ubuntu its the easiest
11:28<daemonkeeper>I would not sign that.
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11:28<Nemoder>it all depends on what you want to do with it and what hardware you have to install it on
11:28<SynrG>piano2040: put it this way: all OSes suck. but you get to choose which kind of suck to put up with.
11:29<daemonkeeper>All but Debian of course!
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11:29<daemonkeeper>No, really: Find out whatever suits best for you.
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11:29<rigved>piano2040: also, remember you need time to learn anything new
11:29<piano2040>yes i know this
11:30<Nemoder>piano2040: do you have a 2nd machine to test it on?
11:30<piano2040>yes but its a old pc
11:31<SynrG>what are its specs?
11:32<Nemoder>ram is the biggest issue on old systems, at least if you install the default desktop
11:32<piano2040>cpu=pentium 4 2 ghz - ram = 2 gb ddr400 - gpu= integrated 32 mb
11:32<Nemoder>that should be fine
11:33<piano2040>ubuntu on this pc its slow
11:33<SynrG>quite adequate. when you say integrated, you mean intel? (i fear maybe i8xx?)
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11:33<SynrG>i have a similar system on my desk at work. it's fine. clearly not a gaming system, but does the job
11:34<Nemoder>is it a laptop?
11:34<piano2040>no , its a desktop
11:34<Nemoder>you might consider buying a really cheap videocard for it if you ever want to run any 3d apps
11:35<piano2040>On this pc i dont play , i should to program
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11:35<piano2040>for this i need a linux system
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11:36<SynrG>3d is useful for other things than games
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11:36<Nemoder>if gnome desktop is too slow you might install something lighter like XFCE
11:37<SynrG>or LXDE
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11:37<piano2040>ok then i try before debian on my old pc , else i try to installa a Xfce or LXDE system
11:38<SynrG>it's not either/or
11:38<SynrG>debian, with an XFCE desktop (instead of the default GNOME)
11:38<piano2040>thanks to all for helping me
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11:44<j17man>hi everybody
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11:51<shaik>Hi...Everybody....! is there anybody to help me now.....! i have installed vsftpd...after installation... what would be the ftp server name to connect...please help me now
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11:51<sney>it would be your debian system's ip address
11:51<Nikita>Hey guys, I'm using alien to repackage ppc64 rpm files but cannot install them as they disappear (normal ppc rpm's are fine) can you help?
11:51<petemc>shaik: the hostname of the machine, or its ip address
11:52<sney>Nikita: I'd recommend getting the software from somewhere else and avoiding alien altogether.
11:52<shaik>after installation i have changed the hostname... and i tried to connect that through filezilla...but it is saying some ... critical error...
11:52<Nikita>Can't it's the ibm open cl 0.3
11:53<Nikita>im using a ps3 with debian on
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11:54<shaik>if i connect through google chrome... it is connected with anonymous user but i have configured the authenticate user only
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11:56<shaik>ok....Any how...Petemc... i will look again that...if not possible... i will back to you...THANK YOU...VERY MUCH..PETEMC
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12:01<Nikita>anyone have debian on ps3? or open cl?
12:02<arw>saludos a todos
12:03<sney>Nikita: why not try unpacking the rpms and installing them with something like stow?
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12:04<sney>Nikita: also, stupid question but, you have binutils installed right?
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12:04<Nikita>sney: how do I do that?
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12:04<Nikita>binutils wasnt with a ppc64.rpm
12:04<Nikita>so it installed fine
12:05<sney>packages are usually just archives renamed. google should tell you what's used for rpm
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12:10<daemonkeeper>sney: A cpio archive.
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12:10<sney>ah yeah, I think i remember that.
12:10<daemonkeeper>Its actually more complicated to be extracted when compared to Debian's ar format
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12:11<daemonkeeper>There is rpm2cpio which can extract a RPM. Debian ships that in the alien (or rpm) package.
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12:12<passss>you gringos are gays
12:12<daemonkeeper>!ops passss is bored
12:12<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: daemonkeeper complains about: passss is bored
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12:14<Nikita>sney: just googled pretty much all that and now have a .cpio file
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12:17<Nikita>sney: extracted it and it made a usr directory with bin, include, lib64, share
12:17<Nikita>what do I do now?
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12:17<sney>well I'd start by checking one of the binaries to see if the ps3 can actually run it, before you make the rest of the effort
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12:22<Nikita>sney: well, here it is
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12:22<Nikita>sney: it seenms to have a couple of libraries and stuff
12:23<Nikita>I executed one and it gave a segfault
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12:23<sney>is there anything in bin/
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12:24<Nikita>just this
12:24<zeekill>Im trying to install mysql server but I get this
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12:25<zeekill>any ideas?
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12:26<sney>Nikita: ugh, the paths are hardcoded into the package. yeah, looks like you'll have to turn it into a debian package somehow, sorry, I don't remember how to use alien
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12:30<Nikita>sney: ok, just that it doesn't do it properly...
12:31<sney>and then there's no .deb ?
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12:32<sney>maybe there's an option for alien for it to not delete the working directory when it's done
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12:33<sney>then you can try running debian/rules manually and see what happens
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12:34<Nikita>sney: there is an option
12:34<Nikita>doing it now
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12:38<Nikita>sney: still no joy
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12:39<sney>no you have to run it as debian/rules. you can't ./rules
12:39<sney>also, have you ever heard of 'find'? it'll list everything in all directories starting from where you are.
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12:41<Mart94>Hello! I have problem with Grub. Update-grub will not work, when i run "update-grub", it will just stay so, no repsonse from server at all, just blank. and nothing more happens. When i press Ctrl+Z, then it will say "[3]+ Stopped update-grub", Grub version is (GNU GRUB 1.98) and Debian version is 6.0.1, also, it is server, not desktop PC.
12:41<Nikita>sney: now i have :) and it seems to execute now
12:42<Mart94>How can i reinstall Grub, or downgrade it?
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12:42<Nikita>sney: here
12:42<sney>Mart94: well, you could try aptitude reinstall grub-pc
12:42<sney>Nikita: I don't really care what's in the directory structure. did that create a .deb?
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12:43<jhutchins_lt>Mart94: When you use Ctrl-Z you background and stop the process. You probably have several copies of update-grub in the background now, you need to fg them and then kill them with Ctrl-C
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12:45<Mart94>Reinstalling says Installation finished. No error reported. Can i stop it now? <jhutchins_lt>, will try that.
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12:47<Nikita>sney: nope, i've checked the whole directory.. where should it be created?
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12:48<sney>should show up one directory above the one where you invoke debian/rules
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12:48<sney>so when you're done, cd .. and you should see it
12:50<Mart94>sney: Same as before, still no response from "update-grub"
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12:51<gnugr>Mart94: as root?
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12:54<Mart94>Well, any ideas?
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12:54<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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12:55<Nikita>sney: still nothing.. no .deb file the debian/rules output is dh_testdir
12:56<sney>Nikita: ask in #debian-mentors, they know far more about this than I do
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12:56<Mart94>dpkg: I have only terminal access, server is in server room what is about 300Km from my location.
12:56<dpkg>Mart94: what are you talking about?
12:56<Nikita>sney: ok
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12:56<Mart94>dpkg: Hello! I have problem with Grub. Update-grub will not work, when i run "update-grub", it will just stay so, no repsonse from server at all, just blank. and nothing more happens. When i press Ctrl+Z, then it will say "[3]+ Stopped update-grub", Grub version is (GNU GRUB 1.98) and Debian version is 6.0.1, also, it is server, not desktop PC.
12:56<dpkg>Mart94: I think you lost me on that one
12:57<Nikita>sney: thanks for the help
12:57<Mart94>dpkd: I dont have physical access to server, to boot it up from LiveCD.
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12:58<jhutchins_lt>Mart94: What relese is this?
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12:59<Mart94>jhutchins_lt: How can i find relese?
12:59<jhutchins_lt>Mart94: dpkg is our FAQ database.
13:00<jhutchins_lt>Mart94: cat /etc/debian_version
13:01<jhutchins_lt>Why do you need to update grub?
13:01<Mart94>I want to use another Kernel.
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13:02<jhutchins_lt>Mart94: The kernel install should have updated grub for you, did that fail?
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13:14<Mart94>Yes, kernel install failed.
13:14<Mart94>I mean, Kernel install was OK, but it didn't add it to Grub and system boots from "2.6.32-5-amd64" kernel
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13:16<balleyne>I add a Debian dual-boot beside Ubuntu on my laptop, but the time under Debian is wrong. I think my system clock is set to EST, but Debian thinks it's set to UTC. Is there a way I can tell Debian the system time is EST?
13:17<r4co0n>FUCKUP (First Universal Cybernetic-Kinetic Ultra-Micro Programmer)rolf
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13:17<r4co0n>sry, cant hit delete
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13:17<r4co0n>conversation from ~6:00
13:18<sney>balleyne: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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13:20<balleyne>sney: thanks. I can change my time zone there, but my time zone is correct, it's just the system clock that Debian and Ubuntu are handling differently...
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13:20<CrisCodeCruncher>how do you set the time to utc?
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13:22<ballison>i've been tasked to create a diagram of our office network. i'm looking for a tool that does this auto-magically for you. i found a couple but they are all for windows. is there one for debian ?
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13:23<r4co0n>ballison, freemind could do the job...
13:24<r4co0n>its a mind mapper though
13:24<r4co0n>nothing automatic
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13:25<balleyne>ballison: freemind is a good mindmapper, but something like Dia or Open/Libre Office Draw are more general purpose diagram tools... won't automatically sketch your network though
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13:26<balleyne>ballison: e.g.
13:26<ballison>r4co0n: I'm reading that you can LanMap + nmap -s will do this for you.
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13:27<balleyne>ballison: tsnd?
13:28<r4co0n>ballison, was going to suggest nmap too. but if u got Sophos or sth at work (malconfigured), it will give u the craps trying to run nmap.
13:28<ballison>balleyne: That link didn't work.
13:28<r4co0n>ballison, maybe these icons are of use. they are for dia.
13:28<r4co0n>ballison: link works for me
13:29<ballison>balleyne: thanks
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13:30<ballison>apt-get says "E: Unable to locate package tsnd
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13:32<ballison>r4co0n : where can i find a download link for tsnd?
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13:34<thewanderer1>I'd suggest LanMap too, it's automatic and Works :P
13:34<ballison>thewanderer: lanmap has been abondoned
13:35<thewanderer1>how is that a problem?
13:35<ballison>thewanderer: no links do download it
13:35<ballison>no apt-get
13:35<ballison>no working git repo
13:35<thewanderer1>oh wait, I've got a package...
13:35<thewanderer1>or at least I hope the deb is still here
13:35<balleyne>ballison: might be in a package called tcm? I haven't used it before though, so not sure how it compares to lanmap
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13:36<thewanderer1>ballison: I can repack this as a .deb if you want
13:36<balleyne>ballison: tcm has tsnd in its filelist:
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13:36<ballison>nevermind - i think i found a lanmap that works.
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13:37<thewanderer1>btw. this is the download link I used a few years ago:
13:37<ballison>i had to go into the hardy repos to find it.
13:37<thewanderer1>getting this from Ubuntu? aww :P
13:38<ballison>thewanderer: whatever works. :)
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13:38<thewanderer1>well, I hope it does so without borking anything :P
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13:40<r4co0n>seems debianish
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13:41<ballison>thewanderer1: DO you know how to use this thing? I'm running "sudo lanmap -i eth0" where does it output the graph?
13:41<ballison>looked in /usr/share/lanmap/graph/img.. nothing.
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13:41<thewanderer1>ballison: current directory, something with .png extension
13:41<alexander>Hi all
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13:42<alexander>Is anybody from Russia?
13:42<ballison>thewanderer: found it - thanks
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13:44<ballison>thewanderer1: Okay. that didn't work... i ran lanmap -i eth0 and did a nmap -sS at the same time and got a graph of a gazillion unrelated things. :(
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13:44<ballison>so small i can't see the server names
13:44<thewanderer1>ballison: maybe every host is responding? :P
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13:45<thewanderer1>btw. eth0 is your Internet connection, right?
13:46<CrisCodeCruncher>isnt it your actual wireless or lan device?
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13:46<r4co0n>since when does a large text output make the font smaller?
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13:46<ballison>thewanderer1: correct
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13:47<thewanderer1>ballison: then you shouldn't expect meaningful results - you're staring at the Wild West... errrr, Internet
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13:47<thewanderer1>there's a reason the program has "Lan" in LanMap :P
13:47<Andyhu> /me jump
13:47*Andyhu jump
13:48<ballison>thewanderer: it only records traffic. i'm not doing anything except a nmap of my LOCAL network
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13:48<rpetre>ballison: it probably sees all your probes and maps them
13:48<r4co0n>ballison, u should ask yourself what u r not doing right now
13:48<thewanderer1>ballison: yeah, and lanmap is listening to eth0, which you said is your Internet connection... go figure
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13:49<rpetre>maybe you can give it some pcap-style filters
13:49<r4co0n>i guess i would pull the plug and rejoin gladly in 5min
13:49<thewanderer1>I think the problem here is expecting to get a map of the LAN when listening on the WAN interface :P
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13:51<r4co0n>maybe lanmap doesnt try to go outside. it examines the local net by watching packets go by. if nmap is aiming its ion cannon at your subnet, there will be no answer anyways, even without inet-connectivity. My guess :)
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13:52<r4co0n>lanmap is like: cool, this host talks to everyone about everything. i need to draw it bigger, and so on...
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13:54<r4co0n>ballison, try to turn off nmap and restart the lanmap, if it doesnt work, try with inet off. but report back afterwards...
13:55<jaim>how do i access a .vol file (encrypted with freeotfe on windows, xts) in debian? (cryptsetup complains /dev/loop0 is not a luks device (used losetup) and freeotfe in wine is not an option.)
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13:56<CrisCodeCruncher>can someone suggest a good irc channel to get help with shell scripting?
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13:56<cahoot> #bash on freenode?
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13:57<cg_>!tell CrisCodeCruncher about bash
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13:59<r4co0n>misreference fail
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13:59<mrg>I have Debian Squeeze x64 and installed adobe flash player. I added "deb sid main contrib" to sources.list and did an update. I then installed flashplayer. My system now says there are around 300 updates, but in software sources 'Security updates (squeeze/updates) is checked. Any ideas?
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14:00<rpetre>mrg: you added sid sources, you most definitely don't want that
14:00<CrisCodeCruncher>i know what bash is, just having a problem with my script
14:01<r4co0n>mrg: sid is dangerous
14:01<devil>mrg: besides that, there is no line to add, just the original line gets expanded
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14:02<mrg>i was looking at the debian wiki and it said to use sid for x64 flashplayer
14:02*r4co0n always has installed this Flash "Square" (i think) release, beta for x64
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14:02<mrg>oh right
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14:03<mrg>i will give that a go
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14:05<Arrowmaster>r4co0n: thats what the flashplayer-nonfree package installs
14:06<r4co0n>Arrowmaster: thats the impression i got reading the wiki now...
14:07<r4co0n>mrg: The package in unstable flashplugin-nonfree is suitable for Squeeze (stable) and Wheezy (testing).
14:07<Arrowmaster>the package is in squeeze
14:07<Arrowmaster>it wasnt in lenny but it is in squeeze which is why the wiki page is outdated
14:08<Arrowmaster>!adobe flash
14:08<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
14:08<r4co0n>Arrowmaster: remove the sentence entirely?
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14:14<mrg>I added non-free, but it it does not appear to be there
14:14<r4co0n>mrg: so u deleted the sid line?
14:14<r4co0n>post your sources.list to a pasting site
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14:16<r4co0n>add contrib to the line, and probably the same to the corresponding sources link
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14:16<mrg>ok, will try that
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14:17<r4co0n>mrg: "[...] contrib"
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14:18<mrg>that worked!
14:18<mrg>thank you
14:19<r4co0n>mrg: the installer adds "contrib non-free" to every line, you probably should too, if u do so once.
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14:19<r4co0n>or remove it now again, should work as well...
14:19<mrg>what is contrib?
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14:20<devil>mrg: packages that are free themselves. but rely on non-free things
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14:21<mrg>thanks for that. Think I have a better understanding now
14:21<r4co0n>mrg: flashplugin-nonfree is free software, it just pulls in the adobe stuff...
14:21<r4co0n>mrg: its merely an installer/housekeeper
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14:22<mrg>when a new release of flash player comes out then I should know about it?
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14:25<chealer>mrg: no, the package is only an installer. the page explains how to upgrade
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14:34<jonr>i upgraded irssi from 0.8.15-2+b1 to 0.8.15-3+b1 and now I have a problem; in some situations, the alt-left and alt-right keys don't work properly to switch channels.
14:34*chealer cleaned FlashPlayer
14:34<lynx>i've got an intel gma hd gfx (which runs on i3), tried to install compiz and it says it couldnt cause my driver is vesa =.=
14:35<lynx>i dont know why, i through it was supported by debian, atleast people said so
14:35<r4co0n>chealer: if i want /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree to run weekly, i simply put a symlink in /etc/cron.weekly ? will it run with root privileges. Sry, i only now cronjobs exist :)
14:35<lynx>i have no clue why it is displaying vesa driver instead of the current intel gma hd
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14:35<lynx>any ideas?
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14:36<dpkg>VESA stands for "Video Electronics Standards Association" and is a mode that can be used on video cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. Not accelerated. The vesa Xorg driver (xserver-xorg-video-vesa package) is incompatible with <KMS>.
14:36<lynx>!intel gma
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14:37<towo`>for the integrated graphics of an i3 you need a newer kernel and xorg-driver
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14:39<chealer>r4co0n: ask the channel, but just a symlink won't do, you need to call with the --install option
14:40<chealer>lynx: use the intel driver
14:41<lynx>dude ive searched the driver intel gma hd to install theres nothing
14:41<sney>towo`: is 2.6.38 new enough?
14:41<devil>sney: sure
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14:42<devil>lynx: read what towo` said
14:42<sney>the kernel is available in backports, I wonder about xorg
14:42<sney>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
14:42<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; sid: 2:2.15.0-3; wheezy: 2:2.15.0-3
14:43<sney>dang new hardware :/
14:43<jhutchins>xorg doesn't backport well.
14:43<lynx>sorry i didnt paid enough attention
14:43<lynx>how can i get those devil ?
14:43<lynx>15:37 < towo`> for the integrated graphics of an i3 you need a newer kernel and xorg-driver
14:43<devil>lynx: [20:42:33] <sney> the kernel is available in backports, I wonder about xorg
14:44<devil>xorg driver from wheezy should do
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14:44<themill>xorg from squeeze should work fine too (modulo some crashiness). newer kernel is worthwhile
14:44<chealer>lynx: the driver is just called "intel"
14:45<sney>lynx: ok, so just upgrade the kernel first (/msg dpkg backports; then install linux-image-2.6.38-whatever for your arch)
14:46<lynx>!tell lynx backports
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14:50<towo`>themill, xserver-xorg-video-intel must be a new version
14:51<towo`>not only a new kernel
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15:22<hgt>do you know how to search in claws-mail for e-mails from a specific person that the person has sent exclusively to me (e. g. no CCs) ?
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15:25<r4co0n>I just talked my uncle in buying a cheap thinkpad for his company. EvilOS tax is high these days, I recommended Linux/Debian/GNU. He wants to have a look at "how linux is now", im taking my netbook to him. Any ideas that would increase my chances, no windows gui pls :P
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15:27<vagvaf>r4co0n: sudo apt-get moo
15:27<jaim>is it possible to mount .dsk partitions in debian?
15:27<sney>r4co0n: linux virus statistics, and how absurdly easy it is to install things with synaptic/aptitude
15:28<cahoot>wouldn't the persons actual needs be of more importance than ease of installation?
15:28<petemc>r4co0n: if its for business, i think just showing openoffice and a working browser should go some way
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15:29<jaim>cahoot: i guess he implies the person's actual needs and the ease of installation are of more importance than the persons actual needs
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15:30<evaluate>I had some issues with flash under Debian (YouTube videos for example hang constantly for example) and I compared the version in Ubuntu with the version in Debian (just because in Ubuntu it worked fine for me) and noticed that flashplayer-installer actually installs a wrapper for the flashplayer plugin on 64 bit arhitectures, but the Debian flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't do that. I tried installing the Ubuntu package in Debian and after that flash work
15:30<evaluate>ed just fine. Any idea if there is a way to install that wrapper in Debian without depending on the Ubuntu package?
15:30<Marezz>Hello everyone! :)
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15:31<sney>evaluate: the flashplayer-mozilla package from dmm might be what you're looking for.
15:31<sney>or it might not be, but still solve your problem.
15:31<evaluate>sney, dmm?
15:32<sney>evaluate: also, it often helps to enable youtube's html5 regardless... it's not all videos yet, but it does eliminate reliance on flash for the vast majority, and is usually less resource-intensive
15:32<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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15:33<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have a disk which, when I try to run a smart scan on it with smartmontools has started aborting the test almost immediately. "# 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 835 -"
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15:33<evaluate>sney, ok, I'll have a look at it. Thank you very much!
15:33<ComradeHaz`>Can anyone advice what I can do to solve this, or why this might have started happening?
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15:35<r4co0n>sney, petemc, thanks for the tips, will serve me well.
15:36<r4co0n>vagvaf: sudo aptitude moo?
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15:36<sney>moo only works with apt-get
15:36<vagvaf>yeah :) you can try aptitude -v moo
15:36<r4co0n>it does sth
15:36<dvs>There are no Easter Eggs in this program.
15:36<hgt>aptitude -v moo
15:36<vagvaf>and then ad v's
15:37<sney>haha I didn't know that
15:37<r4co0n>thats why i came to linux :)
15:37<dvs>~$ aptitude -v moo
15:37<dvs>There really are no Easter Eggs in this program.
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15:38<r4co0n>This is a really cool tribute to Saint Exupery.
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15:44<f0rk>hi, I'm trying to understand why dig, host, nslookup, drill, etc. don't look in /etc/hosts first, even when hosts/files is specified in /etc/host.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf
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15:44<dyfrgi_>apt distinguishes between configuration and non-configuration files (e.g. dpkg --purge vs. remove). Is there a command to list the configuration files owned by a given package?
15:44<dyfrgi_>I could do dpkg -L <packagename> | grep etc and that'd be decent, but it's not quite right.
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15:44<f0rk>I also need to know which tool to use to determine what a given hostname will actually resolve to
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15:44<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have a disk which, when I try to run a smart scan on it with smartmontools, has started aborting the test almost immediately. "# 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 835 -" Can anyone advise what I can do to solve this, or why this might have started happening?
15:44<dyfrgi_>(some files in /etc/ are non-configuration, and a package can own conf files that are not in /etc, though it's unlikely)
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15:45<hgt><f0rk>: like 'who'?
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15:45<hgt><f0rk>: I mean 'whois'
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15:46<dyfrgi>f0rk: dig, in my experience, never checks /etc/hosts. host does.
15:46<f0rk>dyfrgi: host doesn't
15:46<dyfrgi>dig is also a pretty good option for checking what external systems will see since you can specify what DNS server to use.
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15:47<dyfrgi>Hm, you're right. My mistake, sorry.
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15:47<f0rk>OSX has in (IMHO) the correct behavior here, and actually looks in /etc/hosts when using dig, host, etc.
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15:48<f0rk>right now, the only thing I can use is ping, and that's pathetic
15:48<petemc>no it doesnt
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15:49<themill>f0rk: you are perhaps looking for "getent hosts"
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15:50<f0rk>huh, echo " foo" >> /etc/hosts; dig foo ->
15:50<f0rk>themill: not really.
15:51<dyfrgi>getent does work for me, including for things not in /etc/hosts
15:51<f0rk>yes, now getent hosts
15:51<themill>f0rk: well getent directly uses the libc resolver which is what you asked for. Perhaps you'd like to say what you actually do want rather than a list of things that you do not.
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15:53<dyfrgi>themill: I guess they wouldn't like to do that.
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15:56<jaim>is it possible to mount .dsk partitions in debian?
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16:00<dyfrgi>jaim: You could try mount -o loop foo.dsk /mnt/
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16:02<jaim>dyfrgi: i tried that, dmesg says "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem"
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16:03<jaim>dyfrgi: (mount said "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock")
16:03<jaim>dyfrgi: (mount said "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock...")
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16:03<dyfrgi>Hm. I'm better that's not actually an ext3 disk image.
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16:04<jaim>it is. windows 7 mounters with ext3 support see it.
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16:06<Marezz>Is it a good idea to install amd/ati drivers using smxi script?
16:06<devil>Marezz: no.
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16:07<Marezz>devil, Why is that?
16:07<devil>Marezz: how much time do you have?
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16:07<Marezz>devil, Time isnt a problem atm :)
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16:08<dyfrgi>jaim: How was the image created?
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16:09<devil>well, as i wont waste time on that crappy script, short version: why complicated, if there is an easy debian way?
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16:09<Marezz>devil, Easy debian(wiki) way is a complicated way to me, its easier for me just to fire up the script and let it do its job
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16:10<Marezz>devil, You still didnt answer why its not a good idea :D
16:10<devil>Marezz: i have seen that script puke in corners where you would not like it ;)
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16:10<towo`>Marezz, the answer is, this script installs the drivers by bypassing the package management
16:10<Marezz>devil, Are you implying its some sorft of spyware?
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16:10<devil>Marezz: and its in no waaysupported here.
16:11<towo`>Marezz, and this is not supportet here
16:11<towo`>fglrx and nvidia drivers are packaged in debian
16:11<devil>Marezz: no, it just craps out at times and does things in a non-debioan way. fullstop.
16:11<JohnnyDoe>I have some problems with udev...I want to write a rule that runs a script whenever a CD drive is ejected
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16:11<Marezz>towo`, You mean there is fglrx driver in debian repo?
16:12<towo`>since ages
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16:12<Marezz>towo`, fresh one? not some ancient crap?
16:12<JohnnyDoe>unfortunately, when I use udevadm monitor this works fine and it shows me an ACTION==change as soon as I press the eject button. However, when I use the script, it only runs when I press the eject button the second time for closing the drive. What could be the reason for this behaviour>
16:13<Marezz>towo`, omg! thats great news! For all this time I thought that it has to be installed using wiki(complicated) way or via script
16:13<towo`>Marezz, and if you want to use this senseless script, do it, but donÄt ask here for support, if you fuck uped your install
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16:14<Marezz>towo`, No need to get upset, I just asked is it a good idea to use it :)
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16:14<towo`>and the answer was, it's not a good idea
16:14<devil>we said: no.
16:14<Marezz>Yes, then I asked why :)
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16:15<Marezz>I only asked because I didnt know there is a driver in the repo
16:15<devil>its useless, it spams, it fscks up. good enough?
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16:15<Marezz>devil, Sure
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16:17<Marezz>Didnt mean to upset you guys, was just asking cuz I wasnt aware that its available in the repo.
16:17<devil>noone is upset :)
16:17<devil>its just, we seen a lot of probs from that script
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16:19<Marezz>Thing is, Ive tried few distros and I would like to settle down with debian as it seems to offer things I need from OS -speed, stability and lots of fresh software
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16:19<Marezz>So I want to make sure I make the switch painless as possible, if u know what I mean :)
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16:21<Marezz>Does debian have channels for chat like other distros?
16:21<daemonkeeper>Obviously you found it already?
16:22<dyfrgi>Marezz: Maybe you want #debian-offtopic
16:22<Marezz>dyfrgi, Indeed, thanks I found it :)
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16:22<Marezz>daemonkeeper, This is a support channel, I meant for the chat :D
16:23<daemonkeeper>Ah, well. dyfrgi was right then.
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16:24<Marezz>for some reason I always thought that its hard to install drivers/codecs in debian, now I see how wrong I was :D
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16:25<K0JIbKA>Marezz: it's not that easy
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16:26<Marezz>K0JIbKA, Its done via debian repos as Ive been told?
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16:26<K0JIbKA>i use backports. it keeps asking me for search in some places. then i got a refuse in .wma .avi new codecs
16:27<K0JIbKA>though an idea was good...
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16:27<Marezz>K0JIbKA, What is backport? Im not familiar with the term :D
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16:28<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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16:29<Marezz>Thanks retrospectacus :)
16:29<K0JIbKA>Marezz: still there is a place to improve. i mean codecs
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16:29<devil>K0JIbKA: ffmpeg should do most anything you need
16:30<devil>no need for extra codecs mostly
16:30<Marezz>K0JIbKA, Are u saying that debian codecs are somewhat inferior to those of other distros?
16:30<K0JIbKA>devil: sorry pal. most of short videos nowaday are coming from windoz sources
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16:30<devil>K0JIbKA: then we live on different planets
16:30<K0JIbKA>Marezz: nope
16:31<K0JIbKA>devil: hope so. though i like Debian a lot:)
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16:32<K0JIbKA>use both OSes at a time
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16:32<Marezz>CPU~Single core AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (-UP-) clocked at 1000.000 Mhz Kernel~ i686 Up~2 days 3:24 Mem~974.6/1991.5MB HDD~160.0GB(43.6% used) Procs~152 Client~X-Chat 2.8.8 inxi~1.4.86
16:32<Marezz>Whats a good DE for that machine?
16:32<K0JIbKA>like to play games. if not me, then my son
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16:33<K0JIbKA>Marezz: i run GNOME on 1.6 Atom netbook. Success
16:33<Marezz>cpu is auto underclocked untill fullpower its needed, its 1.8mhz
16:33<dyfrgi>K0JIbKA: You might also find the debian-multimedia repo to be handy.
16:33<K0JIbKA>dyfrgi: checked!
16:34<devil>K0JIbKA: beware!
16:34<dyfrgi>Note that it's, uh, not exactly stable, as compared to backports.
16:34<daemonkeeper>Debian Multimedia is no way supported, compared to backports.
16:34<K0JIbKA>dyfrgi: that could be one of the sources of all my codecs problems
16:35<Marezz>Is there an i686 architecture?
16:35<Marezz>of debian
16:35<daemonkeeper>Its i386
16:35<K0JIbKA>Marezz: yes
16:35<devil>K0JIbKA: that repo creates problems instead of solving them.
16:36<K0JIbKA>devil: agree with that. i like to test things. sometimes no safe
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16:36<devil>K0JIbKA: there is test-installs or vms for that
16:36<Marezz>My CPU is in i686 category, would i386 debian iso work slower then?
16:37<daemonkeeper>Not notably.
16:37<K0JIbKA>devil: most of things run smooth though. what's test-install?
16:37<daemonkeeper>You can still install an -i686 kernel
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16:37<Marezz>daemonkeeper, I ask that because ubuntu was i386 and it ran very slow that it made me vomit -_-
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16:37<daemonkeeper>That's probably not because of i386 ...
16:38<devil>K0JIbKA: a test-install is an install on a sep. partition or a vm. that could be sid or whatever you like
16:38<Marezz>daemonkeeper, Hmm, maybe, who knows.. Is it a good idea to install i686 kernel?
16:38<K0JIbKA>oh. that's too much for an angel like me:)
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16:39<daemonkeeper>Marezz: Its nothing wrong to do, if you have a i686 CPU
16:39<JohnnyDoe>is there a time in this channel when its OK to repeat a question?
16:39<devil>JohnnyDoe: if you feel, we have not taken notice, repeat it
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16:41<K0JIbKA>devil: at least last time i tried to run Linux - Optware for my router to extend it's properties. but i heard there's Debian for MIPS architecture also
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16:41<K0JIbKA>i might give it a try
16:41<devil>K0JIbKA: i heard so too :)
16:41<JohnnyDoe>I have some problems with udev...I want to write a rule that runs a script whenever a CD drive is ejected
16:41<JohnnyDoe>unfortunately, when I use udevadm monitor this works fine and it shows me an ACTION==change as soon as I press the eject button. However, when I use the script, it only runs when I press the eject button the second time for closing the drive. What could be the reason for this behaviour>
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16:42<K0JIbKA>but there's no clear instruction to install it to my old D-Link DIR-320
16:42<Marezz>daemonkeeper, Do I install i686 kernel during an debian install or afterward?
16:43<K0JIbKA>Marezz: both
16:43<daemonkeeper>Whenever you want, debian-installer offers you at installation time if you want
16:43<K0JIbKA>you can do it afterwards
16:44<K0JIbKA>JohnnyDoe: might be Hal?
16:44<devil>JohnnyDoe: pastebin the script somewhere. so we know what we are talking about
16:44<Marezz>There are 3 versions of debian, stable, testing and sid?
16:44<devil>Marezz: no. there is one version: stable
16:45<JohnnyDoe>well it's not even a real script, I just have something like SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="change", RUN+="/home/user/"
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16:45<devil>Marezz: there is derivates that use other flavours of debian and release them
16:45<K0JIbKA>sometimes i got a problem to take out my DVD . but wait a minute... that was Lenny!
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16:45<K0JIbKA>now i'm under Squeeze!
16:46<Marezz>My DVD eject button works, but 98% of the time it wont put it back in for some reason
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16:46<K0JIbKA>i had tough time to switch over!
16:46<Marezz>Its same in both windows and linux
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16:46<K0JIbKA>bye! time to sleep
16:47<Marezz>Good night K0JIbKA
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16:47<iguana7>JohnnyDoe: is your script trivial enough to be sure its firing properly? (in other words, are you sure its not a problem with your script itself)?
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16:48<Marezz>devil, Yes Im aware of that, but Id like to use a major distro which has established and big community :)
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16:49<JohnnyDoe>it is. When I close the drive it triggers two times.
16:49<devil>Marezz: then there is stable, and maybe rolling in the future. advanced users run other flavours also
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16:49<JohnnyDoe>Somehow the udev delays the first run until the drive is closed again. I even had only the command date > test.txt and followed it with tails -f test.txt to see what happens
16:50<Marezz>devil, isnt debian itself a rolling release?
16:50<JohnnyDoe>if I open the drive nothing happens, then when I push the close button it prints the time and as soon as the drive makes the 'read disk' sound it prints again
16:50<devil>Marezz: it is, but stable rolls very slow :)
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16:50<Marezz>devil, Does testing has alot of breakages?
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16:51<iguana7>JohnnyDoe: sounds like it could either be an issue with the way the udev rule is written, or an issue with udev itself
16:51<devil>Marezz: sometimes
16:51<ZykoticK9>devil, stable, in the Debian sense of the word is the exact opposite to a rolling release - I'd perhaps consider sid a rolling-NON-release ;)
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16:51<devil>ZykoticK9: i roll with sid for almost a decade :)
16:52<iguana7>JohnnyDoe: are there any other rules that hook/process those events
16:52<Marezz>devil, I used LMDE for some time and I got sick of breakages after every bigger update
16:52<Marezz>something would always break
16:52<devil>Marezz: so stick to stable
16:52<Out`Of`Control>Hi. How do i mount swap when system is running?
16:52<devil>or wait if rolling comes true
16:53<ZykoticK9>Out`Of`Control, swapon
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16:53<devil>swapon -a
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16:53<Marezz>devil, What do you mean by that?
16:53<devil>Marezz: with what?
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16:53<Marezz><devil> or wait if rolling comes true
16:54<Out`Of`Control>ZykoticK9 thanks i get can not find the device. umm
16:54<devil>Marezz: there might™ be a testing release with fixes from unstable soonish
16:54<ZykoticK9>Marezz, there is currently discussion / consideration of a Debian rolling version
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16:54<iguana7>Out`Of`Control: do you know what partition and drive the swap partition is?
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16:55<Marezz>Im a bit confused now, is there a forum I could read about it?
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16:55<devil>Out`Of`Control: swapon -a mounts all swaps without you defining one
16:55<devil>Marezz: mailing lists
16:55<iguana7>Out`Of`Control: then "swapon /dev/sd<X>" where you replace X with the right number for your case
16:55<Out`Of`Control>thanks iguana7
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16:56<iguana7>Out`Of`Control: this of course assumes you're root
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16:57<Out`Of`Control>i get *swapon: /dev/sdb: read swap header failed: Invalid argument
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16:57<devil>Marezz: gives you an idea
16:58<iguana7>Out`Of`Control: what was the partition number you supplied?
16:58<ZykoticK9>Out`Of`Control, "swapon /dev/sd<LETTER><NUMBER>"
16:58<iguana7>Out`Of`Control: more specifically what device, e.g. sdb8 or whatever?
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16:58<Out`Of`Control>oh i see its 6
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16:59<iguana7>ZykoticK9 is right, missed that in my comment earlier
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16:59<Out`Of`Control>thanks folks i have swap back :)
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17:00<SynrG>confusing a whole device for a partition is something you don't want to do often :p
17:01<SynrG>thankfully swapon has some sanity checking (must find a valid swap area)
17:01<Out`Of`Control>is it possible that grub is messed up and dont mount swap on boot?
17:02<devil>Out`Of`Control: everything is possible, but there is no known issues of that kind
17:02<Out`Of`Control>ok thanks devil
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17:03<SynrG>grub doesn't mount swap
17:03<Out`Of`Control>btw i love wheezy !
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17:04<Out`Of`Control>oh ok SynrG
17:04<Marezz>devil, Could you explain me the stable, testing and sid?
17:04<devil>Out`Of`Control: is your swap listed in fstab?
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17:04<sney>!tell marezz about overview
17:04<SynrG>swapon occurs in /etc/init.d/, depending on what you've specified in /etc/fstab
17:05<devil>Marezz: sid is unstable, testing will become the new stable
17:06<Marezz>So stable doens have latest software, testing has and its close to stable and sid is latest unstable software?
17:06<Out`Of`Control>devil yes but looks like wrong UUID
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17:06<daemonkeeper>Marezz: Somewhat
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17:07<Marezz>daemonkeeper, Hmm then I think that testing would suit me best :)
17:07<SynrG>Marezz: it's complicated. :)
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17:07<SynrG>Marezz: stable + backports means you can have *some* up-to-date software
17:07<SynrG>(also, stable is not very old yet)
17:07<sney>testing is often about as stable as some other distributions' "stable" releases, due to debian standards, but right now it's pretty lumpy
17:08<kop>!tell Marezz about overview
17:08<sney>it's usable if you do'nt mind fixing things
17:08<devil>Out`Of`Control: blkid /dev/sdxy
17:09<Marezz>Thanks guys for helping me understand, I hope Im not bothering you too much :)
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17:09<kop>we aim to please.
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17:10<sney>Marezz: 3 useful notes for a new wheezy user: 1) install apt-listbugs 2) if you're a gnome user, the transition to gnome3 will be EXTREMELY unpredictable, so it's recommended you have a backup wm that you're comfortable using 3) #debian-next is the testing/unstable channel
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17:11<daemonkeeper>4) Perhaps wait a bit more
17:11<ComradeHaz`>Hey chaps, anybody around know of any way I can stress an HDD that I have as part of a RAID1 in a test machine that I believe to be dodgy? I want to see if it's gonna fail again (I am pretty sure it's done it twice) while it's still in Warrenty
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17:11<ComradeHaz`>by fail I mean end up with a bunch of bad blocks
17:11<daemonkeeper>Usually its a rather safe to run testing, but as Squeeze was released roughly three months ago there are still large transitions going on.
17:12<Marezz>Does KDE require the same amount of resources on every distro or its never same?
17:12<Out`Of`Control>thanks devil now i see UUID
17:12<daemonkeeper>Its the same.
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17:12<Marezz>I would either use gnome or lxde then
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17:13<daemonkeeper>Gnome is largely the same
17:13<daemonkeeper>LXDE is lighter
17:13<Marezz>I think Ive read somewhere that gnome needs less ram than kde
17:13<devil>Marezz: less than kde4 might be true
17:14<devil>kde3 was a bit less hungry
17:14<devil>but not that much
17:14<ComradeHaz`>who cares about RAM these days anyway?!
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17:14<Marezz>kde3 is outdated no? I mean the newest kde :)
17:14<sney>not everyone has new hardware / enterprise hardware
17:14<SynrG>huh. if you don't care about ram, you aren't doing anything significant with your system :p
17:15<Marezz>ComradeHaz`, I do, since I have only 2 gb :)
17:15<ComradeHaz`>I'm not saying developers shouldn't but RAM is so cheap atm
17:15<sney>2gb is more than enough for any of the debian DEs
17:15<ComradeHaz`>2g is more than enough
17:15<sney>this ain't windows aero.
17:15<daemonkeeper>I have 8G.
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17:15<sney>I have 6. I don't think I've ever saturated the first 2. I just wound up with extra DIMMs.
17:16<ComradeHaz`>I think I have 2 kde's and an xfce running on one of my machines with 2g atm
17:16<Marezz>Well kde needs 1gb ram( recommended) its like windows 7 ram requirement no?
17:16<daemonkeeper>For the daily usage 2G ought to be enough for everyone, and I run KDE 4
17:16<ComradeHaz`>point is, all the glam can be turned on or off with kde
17:16<ComradeHaz`>turn it all off it's pretty sligh
17:17<ComradeHaz`>I even had 4.0 running on my exes old thinkpad with 256MB
17:17<devil>daemonkeeper: it depends on what you do. i need _a lot_ of tabs in 2 browsers, 2 GB are not enough
17:17<phdeswer>with a bit of tweaking you can get a basic debian install down to about ~150Mb of ram in use, Logged in and one gnome-terminal open.
17:17<ComradeHaz`>Don't think that's why she left xD
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17:18<daemonkeeper>devil: Well, this is not the "daily usage" then, since random people know about the "close tab" button ;)
17:19<devil>daemonkeeper: i am aware of that button, and if i would not use it, i'd have even more tabs ;)
17:20<devil>daemonkeeper: its a kind of sysiphos situation
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17:24<jhutchins_lt>KDE and Gnome go back and forth on which uses more resources. kde3.5 was lighter than the equivalent Gnome before they started messing with the 3D nonsense.
17:24<dpkg>Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 in it). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. #trinity-desktop on Ask me about <kde squeeze>.
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17:37<iguana7>daemonkeeper: I think I've talked with you before about dkms, etc. Wondering if you might have some insight for me. I've made a package that (seemingly) successfully installs a bunch of kernel modules through dkms. Most of these are updates of existing modules. lsmod and modinfo seemed to confirm all was right. modinfo would always give me the info for the modules in the updates directory, for both loaded and unloaded modules. However, one of the
17:37<iguana7>systems on which this package is used requires two hardware-related modules. One of them always loads on boot. If I try to modprobe the second one, I get symbol mismatch errors. If I "modprobe -r" the first one, then manually modprobe both modules, they load just fine. I'm suspecting that whatever process that gets used to load the default hardware support module is loading the old one in the default kernel tree, and not the one placed in updates
17:37<iguana7>by dkms. But when I run modinfo just after boot on the already loaded module, it gives me the info on the module in updates. So I'm at a loss how else to check anything.
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17:40<sney>iguana7: if there's a .ko in your kernel tree that you don't want the system to load, blacklist it. If it has the same name as something you don't want blacklisted, move the .ko out of your kernel tree.
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17:40<iguana7>sney: isn't this something dkms is explicitly supposed to handle?
17:41<iguana7>sney: making sure the precedence of the updates module supercedes the default one?
17:41<daemonkeeper>iguana7: Ehm, sney seems to help you. I'm short of time right now.
17:41<sney>probably, but with the vagueness of your statement how should we know? also, check the BTS for broken installs
17:41<iguana7>sney: how can I be less vague?
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17:44<iguana7>hmm, strace on modinfo makes it seem like it's only looking at modules.dep and not at anything in /sys or /proc, so perhaps modinfo is not telling me the details on what is actually loaded?
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17:45<iguana7>is there any way to get enough details on the loaded modules to be certain which specific .ko file was loaded, if there are .ko files with the same name?
17:46<ComradeHaz`>Hey chaps, anybody around know of any way I can stress an HDD that I have as part of a RAID1 in a test machine that I believe to be dodgy? I want to see if it's gonna fail again (I am pretty sure it's done it twice) while it's still in Warrenty
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18:05<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: are you trying to stress test while it's still part of the RAID 1 set, or are you Ok with pulling it out and potentially destroying the data on it?
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18:08<Gerowen>If I wanted a command to run at startup in squeeze, what would I add it to?
18:08<Gerowen>As root
18:08<ComradeHaz`>iguana7: either would be fine
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18:09<ComradeHaz`>Gerowen: hard to be certain without more detail, but you should probably look into crontab;s
18:09<sney>Gerowen: or rc.local
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18:10<ComradeHaz`>Gerowen: reckon I should just take it off the RAID and badblocks it for a bit?
18:10<Gerowen>I use Avast! to scan files for Windows viruses before handing them off to users, however due to an issue with Avast! I have to increase my shmax after every boot as root to get it to open with the following command: sysctl -w kernel.shmmax=128000000
18:10<Gerowen>It'd be nice if this ran as root on startup so I didn't have to run it myself before opening Avast
18:10<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: you could start by running long-running SMART tests, which are (at least up to the higher levels) non-destructive. In fact, I'd get familiar with smartctl and use it to query the drive after each stress test, regardless of what type it is.
18:10<ComradeHaz`>Sorry, not Gerowen :)
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18:11<ComradeHaz`>iguana7: I am and I do and I have, passes all the time
18:11<ComradeHaz`>iguana7: if you are familliar with smartctl, though, I have another issue relating directly to that
18:12<dyfrgi>Is there a way to list all the configuration files associated with a package?
18:12<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: then you could always do the standard disk benchmark type tests, like IOZone, Bonnie++, lmbench, etc. You could also run badblocks
18:12<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: I'm familiar enough with it for my needs :), but let's try and see
18:14<ComradeHaz`>I have a disk which, when I try to run a smart scan on it with smartmontools, has started aborting the test almost immediately. "# 1 Extended offline Aborted by host 90% 835
18:14<iguana7>Gerowen: you could do it in rc.local (you'd actually add the command to /etc/rc.local), or if avast is brought up by an init script, I'd personally probably make the change there.
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18:15<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: what's the specific command-line invocation?
18:15<ComradeHaz`>It was fine until fairly recently, possibly the last time the machine went down for reboot, but I actually think it was OK for a bit since then. I have replugged the drive now
18:15<ComradeHaz`>Well, smartctl --test=long /dev/sdb mostly
18:16<ComradeHaz`>I think I read something about adding -C but I forget what that was about. It didn't help, though.
18:16<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: and nothing was mounted on that disk?
18:16<Gerowen>iguana7: Nah I start Avast manually as needed, thanks I'll be sure to add the shmax fix to rc.local.
18:17<ComradeHaz`>Well, it was marked as a spare for a RAID5, but I have unmarked it and it's now not part of anything.
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18:17<ComradeHaz`>The rest of the disks in the RAID, even the active ones, test just fine though.
18:17<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: software or hardware RAID?
18:17<ComradeHaz`>Software, sorry.
18:19<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: if you can afford downtime, one thing you could try is to use something like sysresccd and make sure it's not the RAID code trying to do something with the drive in conflict with the SMART commands
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18:19<ComradeHaz`>[23:17:06] <ComradeHaz`> Well, it was marked as a spare for a RAID5, but I have unmarked it and it's now not part of anything.
18:20<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: ok, "now not part of anything" also means its not mounted in any way? Is there any dbus or hal anything that might try to probe the drive while running a test?
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18:21<ComradeHaz`>Well, it's not mounted at all, no. As for anything probing the disk, beyond standard linux behaviour, I don't think so.
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18:21<ComradeHaz`>I am not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing
18:22<ComradeHaz`>I could take the disk out and try testing it in another box, I guess
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18:25<ComradeHaz`>Thanks, iguana7, I guess I'll try that first.
18:25<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: only other thing I can think of is power management trying to put the disk to sleep
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18:25<ComradeHaz`>That's an interesting point
18:25<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: either in the BIOS or something you could control with hdparm or the likes
18:26<ComradeHaz`>yeah, good thinking
18:26<ComradeHaz`>I'll stick a filesystem on the disk and mount it
18:26<ComradeHaz`>that'll stop it sleeping
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18:26<ComradeHaz`>being marked as a spare might allow it to sleep
18:27<ComradeHaz`>That said, it does fail immediately
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18:29<iguana7>ComradeHaz`: if you can subsitute that drive in place of one that does go through the tests correctly and the disk in question aborts whereas the one it replaced does not, then I'd take it mean either a firmware bug or a bad drive
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18:30<ComradeHaz`>iguana7: yeah, I will take the disk out and run tests elsewhere
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18:30<ComradeHaz`>Maybe use the manufacturers windows tool
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18:32<jhutchins_lt>You have to do that anyway if you're going to return it.
18:32<ComradeHaz`>Aye, indeed.
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18:45<ComradeHaz`>Right, thanks, iguana7, running a test on a Wondoze box with proprietor's software now. We'll see where we are with that in the morning... Seems to be going OK for now though...
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19:02<Gerowen>If I wanted to check a hard drive attached via USB for surface errors and bad blocks, but the "Disk Utility" says SMART data isn't supported when the drive is connected via USB, what would I do?
19:03<retrospectacus>connect it with sata?
19:04<Gerowen>No external SATA/eSATA connector on our air gap. I guess I could replace the internal drive and boot a LiveCD, that just seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
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19:08<retrospectacus>not sure what "air gap" is but you can just open the case and plug the drive into an available sata port on the mobo if you feel comfortable doing that
19:09<ompaul>retrospectacus: it is a buzz word
19:09<ompaul>and chuckle when you see the line on nuclear power :)
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19:12<meglaw>i cant get my webcam working... i have a logitech fusion.. lspci & stuff ->
19:12<meglaw>pls help
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19:19<Planet8>Why is the dbus-daemon constantly running at about 15% cpu?
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19:23<Planet8>Or more importantly how do I disable it?
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19:25<sney>you should probably read up on what dbus does before you go turning it off, but anything that runs as a service can be controlled as such
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19:26<user>this Linux stuff is cool
19:26<Planet8>As far as I can see, I don't need it. I have several other machines with squeeze installed where it isn't running. Currently on this machine it's always running at about 15%.
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19:30<Planet8>maybe it's some other program that's causing it to run constantly. How can I see what proces has enabled a particular instance of dbus?
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19:33<themill>Planet8: "dbus-monitor"
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19:37<Planet8>themill, thanks! :)
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19:40<CyberCalm>Hey all, whats the name of the source that does the "up to date" packages for certain things that require it for debian stable
19:40<CyberCalm>I remember reading about it, but i cant locate it anywhere
19:41<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
19:41<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: perhaps you are thinking of that ^
19:42<CyberCalm>i dont think so atleast
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19:42<retrospectacus>can you describe your idea more clearly then?
19:42<CyberCalm>I will keep looking, if i happen to find it i will say somethin
19:42<CyberCalm>lol, for applications like...
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19:43<CyberCalm>gwibber, something that would require ti to be the most up to date version for it to function correctly most of the time.
19:43<CyberCalm>It was something new recently, last couple months
19:43<meglaw>no takers for webcam?
19:43<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: volatile perhaps then... /msg dpkg volatile
19:44<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: still not clear what you are saying
19:45<CyberCalm> this is what i was refering to
19:45<CyberCalm>Ohh well, found what i needed, apparently its just in the main update mirror now
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19:52<retrospectacus>welcome back
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19:53<Anderson_NTBrasil>help me on the xorg.conf for Intel IGP + Samsung Syncmaster 733nw 19" LCD
19:54<Anderson_NTBrasil>screen resolution noting good
19:56<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: what is the monitor's native maximum resolution?
19:57<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: please run this command in terminal as normal user: xrandr
19:57<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: paste the output of that command on and say to us the URL
19:57<Anderson_NTBrasil>a moment
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20:03<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: what is the monitor's native maximum resolution?
20:03<retrospectacus>and what is the URL of your paste
20:05<retrospectacus>..... still waiting
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20:06<Anderson_NTBrasil>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1360 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096
20:07<Anderson_NTBrasil>VGA1 connected 1360x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 410mm x 230mm
20:07<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: run this: xrandr -s 1440x768
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20:09<retrospectacus>nice work. and xrandr -s 1440x768 does what?
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20:14<Anderson_NTBrasil>In agreement with Google, my graphics processor does not support such a resolution, but in windows I use a resolution less than 1440x900 and 1024x768 supeior. Both at 60Hz.
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20:16<Anderson_NTBrasil>I think it was the resolution is 1240x768 @ 60Hz.
20:16<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: you are currently running at 1360x768 - even better
20:17<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: you may run xrandr -s 1240x768 if you like
20:17<retrospectacus>but it's probably 1280 not 1240
20:18<CyberCalm>When installing debian, if you choose encrypted LVM it goes into a screen that says "Erasing data on somedisk" and takes a REALLY long long time, What is causing this?
20:18<Anderson_NTBrasil>Size 1280x768 not found in available modes
20:19<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: there you go
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20:19<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: so use 1360x768
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20:20<CyberCalm>at the moment i've been looking at 0% for the last 5 minutes... i'm wondering if this is skippable
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20:20<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: why :( ... it is a better resolution
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20:21<Anderson_NTBrasil>OK. Thank you for your help. : D
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20:21<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: you also have 1024x768 available
20:22<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: as you can see in your paste
20:22<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: it's formatting the disks... takes a very long time, as you would expect
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20:24<Anderson_NTBrasil>even so much force vision. and the 1024x768 was a waste of space. ale, the image is "pulled".
20:24<CyberCalm>retrospectacus, Eh... this is slower than a normal format, plus at this point i havent picked a file system, ive only told it i want LVM
20:24<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: makes sense
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20:25<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: so use 1360x768 :\
20:27<Anderson_NTBrasil>: \
20:27<Anderson_NTBrasil>I have no other outlet msm!?
20:27<Anderson_NTBrasil>Ok thanks for the help. even more.
20:27<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: the disks are formatted LVM and then the LVM system will make ext3 or w/e "on top" of that
20:27<retrospectacus>Anderson_NTBrasil: msm?
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20:29<Arrowmaster>CyberCalm: your idea of a normal format must be a quickformat where existing data on the drive is untouched
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20:30<CyberCalm>I guess so? I'm not used to a format taking 20 minutes for 5%
20:30<Anderson_NTBrasil>Maybe an nvidia
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20:40<kop>CyberCalm: Encryping takes forever because it has to write random numbers to the whole disk. Both generating and writing these takes time.
20:41<CyberCalm>ahh, looks like this miught be an all night job then lool
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20:42<CyberCalm>Thanks kop
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20:53<SaintStewart>Anyone know whats going on with LXDE? Ive done some limited searching and asked on their IRC, but no one is talking.
20:54<Tiff>something is "going on?"
20:55<SaintStewart>Well, the website has been down for quite a while now, the domain is expired.
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20:55<SaintStewart>Just not sure if LXDE is ok, or whats going on.
20:56<owner>Just installed Debian 6.0.1a on a desktop and this is the second computer I've tried this on.
20:56<SaintStewart>Debian rocks. :)
20:56<owner>I can't connect to the internet with a web browser or the synaptic package manager
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20:56<kooll>SaintStewart: is up, and will expire in 2012 . which website is down ?
20:56<owner>But I can ping
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20:56<owner>I'm chatting from my JULinux9 computer
20:57<Adonai>owner: try #ip link set dev $Your_inet_dev mtu 1400
20:57<owner>Adonai your talking over my head
20:57<SaintStewart>OMG, it IS up! What the heck? Ive been trying to go to it for the last week and a half and its been down...a placeholder/search page has been in its place! I feel like an idiot now.
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20:57<kooll>SaintStewart: I suppose they were late for renewal of domain, then :)
20:57<SaintStewart>lol kooll I suppose so.
20:58<SaintStewart>TYVM. :)
20:58<owner>Adonai I don't know what my inet_dev is
20:58<kooll>SaintStewart: so, I would say : someone forgot to pay. but did pay in the end. project is alive ;)
20:58<Adonai>owner: ok, can you just show the /sbin/ifconfig output?
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20:59<owner>Adonai ok so is ifconfig a text file? If I open the sbin directory will it be there?
20:59<owner>(sorry Adonai It's been years sense I talked to anyone in an IRC channel that was very intelligent)
21:00<owner>My G33K Speek is a little rusty
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21:00<Adonai>owner: oh... just open the usual shell and execute /sbin/ifconfig, then put its' output here...
21:00<owner>so ./sbin/ifconfig then
21:01<Marezz>How much ram does ur debian use atm? tell which DE ur using as well :D
21:01<owner>didn't know it was exacutable
21:01<Adonai>owner: or maybe just names of columns, there must be eth0, ppp0, lo etc.
21:01<sney>Marezz: this should be asked in #debian-offtopic, but actual usage here is 110M with xfce4 and not much running
21:02<Adonai>owner: no more interfaces? then as root, ip link set dev eth0 mtu 1400
21:02<SaintStewart>555MB atm, but Ive got a ton of stuff open, Marezz. Also using stock Gnome2.
21:03<Marezz>Sorry sney, Im a bit sleepy so I didnt see :(
21:03<owner>Adonai I just did the /sbin/ifconfig and got the output but I have no internet on that PC because it's not working so what do you want to know from it?
21:03<Marezz>Im disgusted that opensuse 11.4 kde is using more ram than win 7
21:03<Adonai>just names of main strokes, lo/eth0/ppp etc.
21:04<sney>Marezz: since you're new to the linux thing, take a look at this:
21:04<sney>!free memory
21:04<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
21:05<Out`Of`Control>owner login in terminal as root *ifconfig* ?
21:05<sney>in short: sometimes it looks like your memory is being "used", but it's just kernel cache and it's available to programs if they need it
21:05<Adonai>Out`Of`Control: he already did this.
21:05<owner>Adonai so I litteraly type "ip link set dev eth0 mtu 1400" not link set dev eth0 1400
21:05<Adonai>owner: right.
21:05<owner>Out'of'Control I'm doing the sudo thing.
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21:06<Out`Of`Control>ok :)
21:07<owner>Adonai ok I just did that and still nothing in web browser.
21:07<owner>Can ping things in the terminal
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21:08<Marezz>sney, Im a bit shocked, I always thought that using alot of ram is bad
21:08<owner>I've had this problem on every computer I've installed this on.
21:08<owner>Even on diffrent connections
21:08<sney>Marezz: it's bad if a single program (i.e. firefox) uses a lot of ram for no good reason. But your ram is there to be used, and the linux kernel is good at managing it
21:08<Adonai>owner: maybe executing "wget" can help?
21:08<owner>Synaptic won't resolve US repositories either.
21:09<owner>I'll try
21:09<Out`Of`Control>my system even update while install it umm
21:09<Tiff>Marezz: ram is essentially fastest area to access aside from cpu cache, using all available ram to cache things makes more sense than not using it at all. free ram is wasted ram.
21:09<Adonai>owner: won't resolve? Maybe it's DNS resolving problem, huh...
21:09<owner>Out'Of'Control I think my system downloaded stuff and installed it durring setup.
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21:10<Marezz>sney, Why cant I see that in system monitor? I only see for the processes but not for the cash, is that the way it should be?
21:10<owner>Adonai it works fine in the terminal pinging things but I can't browse anything in the browser or use synaptic to get to the repos.
21:10<sney>Marezz: open a terminal and execute free -m
21:10<sney>Marezz: that'll show you your full usage on the top, and your actual usage (without the kernel cache) on the second row
21:11<Marezz> total used free shared buffers cached
21:11<Marezz>Mem: 1991 1890 101 0 69
21:11<sney>don't paste it to the channel
21:11<Out`Of`Control>owner try add other source?
21:11<Adonai>owner: execute nslookup pls. Just want to know does your PC resolve the names...
21:11<Marezz>sorry, it turned out bad
21:11<owner>Your right it can't resolve host addresses Adonai
21:11<owner>It can do and get into the modem.
21:12<Marezz>total mem 1991, used 1890 O.o it doesnt show that in sys monitor
21:12<owner>via web browse
21:12<sney>Marezz: what does the line after that say?
21:12<Adonai>owner: is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf file?
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21:13<owner>Adonai nslookup works
21:13<sney>Marezz: haha, so it is actually using 949M. ouch. I wonder why
21:13<Adonai>owner: Eww, this is weird, does wget work?
21:14<owner>no wget does not work
21:14<sney>owner: is there a 'default' entry if you execute 'route'?
21:14<owner>the only entry in resolv.conf is
21:14<Marezz>Im really disappointed :(
21:14<owner>let me see
21:14<Marezz>It shouldnt use that much even if its kde right?
21:15<owner>route command not found
21:15<Tiff>Marezz: depends what other apps you have open
21:15<Tiff>owner: you need to execute it as root
21:15<sney>Marezz: not kde by itself, no, but maybe there's something else going on, like firefox, any java apps, etc
21:15<Adonai>sney: he can ping sites, so there is default...
21:15<Tiff>for what its worth i'm using kde under slackware right now with moderate app usage and it's taking up about half a gig.
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21:16<owner>Adonai sudo route looks good as far as I can tell
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21:16<owner>The destination was
21:17<Marezz>is something wrong there?
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21:17<sney>Marezz: looks ok. you said that's under opensuse right? I have no idea what customizations they're doing. but I think you'd see lower usage under debian.
21:18<owner>Adonai what's bugging me is that I don't remember Debian, Fedora Core, or other core distros being this hard.
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21:18<sney>owner: normally they aren't. sometimes weird things happen is all
21:18<Marezz>sney, I plan to switch to debian soon, just need to watch all anime I have on my HDD xD
21:18<Adonai>owner: maybe browser settings itself?..
21:19<Adonai>owner:but no, wget should work then...
21:19<owner>I'm the lead developer for JULinux and we've been being lazy and basing it of of Ubuntu because it was easy and everything worked but because of Ubuntu 11.04 we want to base it off of pure Debian
21:19<Marezz>or no wait, I have separated /home, I can use it for debian right?
21:19<sney>Marezz: sure.
21:19<owner>Adonai I checked browser settings. It's the default Debian browser
21:19<Out`Of`Control>maybe hosts messed up?
21:19<owner>I can't find any network settings in that empathy browser.
21:20<sney>Marezz: just make sure you make a note of which partition it is, so you don't delete it
21:20<owner>Out'Of'Control maybe. I wouldn't know
21:20<owner>I've been away from people like you too long.
21:20<Marezz>It will detect by auto so I wont have to modify files and such?
21:20<owner>I use to know all this stuff.
21:20<soloflyer>Marezz: its probably flash that is causing the memory to get chewed up
21:20<Adonai>owner: It's ok :)
21:21<Adonai>owner: Empathy? So, GNOME, I guess. At System->Preferences or somewhere near there should be a "Proxy settings" menu...
21:21<sney>Marezz: it'll detect the partitions on the disk, but you have to tell it what you want to do with the partition. so maybe it's /dev/sda2, you'll have to say that you want to use it as /home, and don't format it
21:21<owner>Adonai YES let me check that.
21:22<sney>the installer is pretty clear and there's a good manual on the wiki
21:22<Out`Of`Control>maybe try set up IP's manual?
21:22<Marezz>soloflyer, I shut down firefox, and I got only 100M more ram
21:22<Out`Of`Control>owner did you look at /etc/network/interfaces ?
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21:23<soloflyer>Marezz: what shte output of to say after closing firefox?
21:23<Marezz>what do you mean?
21:23<Out`Of`Control>free -m ?
21:24<soloflyer>Marezz: whats does the output of top say after closing firefox :)
21:24<owner>Maybe this will help
21:24<soloflyer>type fail! :P
21:25<owner>Adonai I noticed that the network conf in the gui said eth0 was never used however after doing some stuff in the terminal you guys asked me to it said 1 minute ago.
21:25<owner>So that's the only time the connection was used
21:25<owner>The proxy was set to direct connection but I changed it to automatic.
21:26<owner>Adonai I chose not to install the Web Server during install would that have caused this?
21:26<owner>It shouldn't have
21:26<Adonai>owner: Yep, shouldn't, only client is needed.
21:27<owner>Ya I'm trying to make a client based distribution.
21:27<SaintStewart>Hm, now that I think about it, I do have a question. When I install Debian LXDE from the CD, or install Debian Stable then add LXDE, after about an hour's usage the Wifi and all controls for it just go poof. As if they never were. So Ive reinstalled (dont know enough to know how to investigate) Debian Stable and just using Gnome all day haven't had an issue at all.
21:27<owner>An end user distribution.
21:27<SaintStewart>Would anyone have an idea as to what happened?
21:27<owner>I installed the print server
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21:27<Adonai>owner: I'm reading JULinux website now ;)
21:28<owner>SaintStewart sounds like your having fun just like me.
21:28<SaintStewart>owner, I am. :)
21:28<soloflyer>Marezz: Xorg is using a lot of memory... does it use that much when its first started, or has something leaked in to it?
21:28<Marezz>soloflyer, I dont know, I think it was always like that
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21:29<Marezz>CPU~Single core AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (-UP-) clocked at 1000.000 Mhz Kernel~ i686 Up~2 days 8:21 Mem~940.6/1991.5MB HDD~160.0GB(43.8% used) Procs~154 Client~X-Chat 2.8.8 inxi~1.4.86
21:29<Adonai>owner: wget doesn't work, browser doesn't work... modem web interface works...
21:29<Marezz>does it have to do with 2 days being up?
21:29<owner>Adonai yes
21:29<owner>sounds like a DNS issue in the browser but then again does not work
21:30<soloflyer>Marezz: no, 2 days is nothing...
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21:30<SaintStewart>OK, and heres another more pressing concern...I plug in a SDHC card or USB thumb drive and I get "drive is corrupted exiting with error 1". I take them to another machine and they work fine...anyone have any ideas?
21:31<Adonai>owner: I know one page with forced MSS set to 1288... try to open it,
21:31<soloflyer>Marezz: if your going to install debian anyway, it might not be worth hunting down the problem in your current install
21:32<owner>RAR Adonai that didn't work.
21:32<owner>Adonai You won't like me when I'm hungry! :D
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21:33<Marezz>soloflyer, Your probably right, Im just a bit angered that I dont know whats the cause of it :(
21:34<owner>Marezz is hungry too!
21:34<Adonai>owner: I'm curious but maybe your modem is just not properly configured? It should have non-bridge connection up and NAT enabled
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21:34<Adonai>owner: I'm going to take a shower, so can you wait some? ^^
21:34<owner>Adonai Yep that's right
21:34<soloflyer>Marezz: i can understand that :)
21:34<owner>Adonai Yes I can wait
21:34<owner>Adonai how long should I wait?
21:35<Adonai>I think, 25 min would be enough)
21:40<soloflyer>Marezz: if your want to try and work out where the memory when, try using pmap... maybe dump the output on pastebin
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21:43<Marezz>soloflyer, How do I do that?
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21:44<soloflyer>pmap -x `pidof X`
21:45<Marezz>pmap: invalid option -- 'x'
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21:46<soloflyer>try pmap -x 1571 or pmap -d 1571
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21:49<soloflyer>Marezz: you need to be root :)
21:49<Adonai>owner: are there any lines except chain names in "sudo iptables -L -v -n"?
21:49<owner>let me see
21:51<owner>I'm so exited! lol
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21:51<owner>0 packets 0 bytes
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21:51<owner>adonai absolutely nothing
21:52<Adonai>owner: And are policies all ACCEPT?
21:52<Marezz>soloflyer, Here it is, im not sure if thats the whole thing, it seems like its cut off.
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21:53<owner>Adonai Yes Yes and Yes
21:53<Planet8>I have a small amount of home made .deb packages, how can I add these to source.list? Is it possible to simply add their location?
21:53<Adonai>owner: %) I'm defeated...
21:54<owner>Is there anyway to just plain reconfigure everything?
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21:55<soloflyer>Marezz: yeah looks like it cut off the important part :)
21:55<owner>Maybe it's these Qwest Motorolla dd-wrt modems
21:55<owner>Adonai ? But then why would other distro's work?
21:56<Marezz>soloflyer, Is there a way for it to show whole thing?
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21:56<owner>I'm going to delete my eth0 connection and recreate it.
21:56<Adonai>owner: That's the question for me too. NAT -> Your Ethernet card -> iptables -> ip link -> ip route - the answer is somewhere here
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21:57<soloflyer>Marezz: you could try putting the output in a file and then open the file aka pmap -x 1571 > xpmap.log
21:58<Marezz>Just wanna clarify some things, fglrx driver(latest catalyst version) can be installed from debian repo? multimedia codecs as well?
21:59<owner>HEY Adonai and everyone I figured something out !!!
21:59<Marezz>soloflyer, How do I do that?
21:59<Adonai>owner: What's matter?
21:59<owner>Ok I did that thing where I got the ip for and I put that in the browser and it took me to
21:59<owner>It's DNS
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21:59<soloflyer>Marezz: pmap -x 1571 > xpmap.log
22:00<owner>Adonai So how do I fix DNS?
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22:00<owner>(evil hacker figures it out)
22:00<Adonai>owner: what's in your /etc/nsswitch.conf file in the "hosts:" line?
22:00<Marezz>pmap: invalid option -- 'x'
22:00<owner>I'll find out
22:01<soloflyer>Marezz: which option worked for you before? -d? if -d worked use that one :)
22:04<owner>files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 Adonai
22:04<Marezz>soloflyer, Yaaay that did the trick, here it is :)
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22:05<Adonai>owner: try setting it in "files dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4" order
22:06<Adonai>owner: as root, ofc ^^
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22:08<owner>Adonai I did.
22:09<Adonai>owner: try exploring your web once again now...
22:09<owner>Adonai do I need to reset something to get it to re-read the conf file
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22:09<owner>Adonai already did
22:09<tazer>hey guys i love debian and im going to marry it
22:09<Adonai>owner: Hm, when I had same issue it worked without reboot...
22:09<owner>tazer you might experience network issues lol
22:09<Adonai>owner: but you can try, it might help
22:10<owner>Adonai ok
22:10<Adonai>tazer: are you sure debian loves you?
22:10<tazer>haha old lady debian is quite a woman with lots of love in her heart
22:11<owner>Adonai do you think that I might have localhost set up wrong or something? I didn't do it manually
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22:12<owner>maybe I should try localhost:631
22:12<Marezz>Could someone confirm this? Just wanna clarify some things, fglrx driver(latest catalyst version) can be installed from debian repo? multimedia codecs as well?
22:12<Adonai>owner: hostname is in /etc/hostname file. DNS lookups for it are at /etc/hosts
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22:13<owner>localhost:631 works
22:13<owner>still no web
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22:13<Adonai>owner: Emm, and what's at the localhost:631?
22:14<owner>Adonai Do you use Linux? Everyone knows CUPS is at localhost:631
22:14<Adonai>owner: I have no printer ;)
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22:15<owner>Adonai the CUPS printing server webmin interface is at 631
22:15<soloflyer>Marezz: there is alot of memory assigned to the ati drivers... which you cant really debug since they are closed source and the rest of it is assigned to the heap, which could be something in x but is more likely in the ati drivers
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22:16<owner>Adonai you must have the root user name and pass to use it.
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22:16<Adonai>owner: Okay, but that's not an answer to your problem)
22:16<owner>Adonai I know.
22:16<owner>I need DNS to work.
22:16<Marezz>soloflyer, Oh man... Does that mean that Its gonna manifest on every distro?
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22:17<soloflyer>Marezz: well we dont know "why" the ati drivers freaked so... maybe.. maybe not...
22:17<owner>Adonai if I use the install disk for debian as a source could I uninstall and reinstall every thing DNS related?
22:17<soloflyer>Marezz: im off to lunch we can talk more when i get back in about an hour :)
22:17<Marezz>soloflyer, So there is definitely something wrong there?
22:17<Marezz>im about to go to sleep xD
22:18<Marezz>its late here :D
22:18<soloflyer>Marezz: tomorrow then :)
22:18<Adonai>owner: Yes, you can, it has to be in Software Sources
22:18<Marezz>soloflyer, Ok :)
22:18<owner>Adonai yes it is.
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22:18<soloflyer>pvt me if i dont respond :)
22:18<owner>Adonai any specific packages in mind?
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22:20<Adonai>owner: dnsutils package, can't remember any other
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22:21<Adonai>I feel myself useless =/
22:23<Marezz>Can someone answer my questions from 10 mins ago? :)
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22:31<Marezz>Thanks for the help guys, Im going off now, I wish good night to everyone :)
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22:40<owner>Adonai if I remove those packages it will remove the entire system.
22:40<owner>Adonai I'm going to reinstall using the default options.
22:40<Adonai>owner: sounds good...
22:41<owner>Adonai I'm even installing in text mode this time.
22:42<owner>The goal is to make it as simple to install as Ubuntu and as easy to use as JULinux8
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22:43<Vlam>How can I install the default Ubuntu 10.04 theme in Debian?
22:44<Adonai>Vlam: -> gtk 2.x themes -> Search ubuntu there
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22:51<Vlam>I can't seem to find anything for it
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22:52<Zxcvb>does squeeze have support for the Linksys AE1000 USB wireless adapter?
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23:18<oddTod>Hello I am looking to tunnel VNC over SSH how would I go about doing this? I have found a lot of how to's if the client was window
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23:21<bighornram>I'm unable to mount an hfsplus formatted iPod after upgrading to unstable with gnome 3 experimental. I've verified the device is formatted ok, it mounts on another linux machine fine. I've uninstalled hfsplus package and reinstalled it. Still no joy.
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23:28<sney>bighornram: #debian-next is the support channel for testing/sid
23:29<bighornram>sney: thanks, didn't know that. :P
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