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---Logopened Tue May 17 00:00:45 2011
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00:01<tazer>squeeze those debian titties yeah!
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00:04<c0re>how do i update my graphics card and repos without puting "testing" in my sources
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00:05<c0re>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
00:06<sney>what card?
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00:06<c0re>5770 HD
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00:07<sney>should be supported by radeon under stable, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of your main mirror entry in sources.list, do aptitude update, and install firmware-linux-nonfree
00:07<sney>make sure you get nonfree, not firmware-linux-free, which is something else
00:08<c0re>thank you
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00:10<c0re>is it recommended to upgrade the kernel
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00:11<c0re>possible missing firmware :\ do i have to find that
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00:15<c0re>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer : does this still mean its not using openGL?
00:15<sney>c0re: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree?
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00:17<sney>c0re: all of the required radeon firmware is contained in that package. and you do not have to upgrade the kernel, though you can if you want
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00:20<c0re>sney: yes version 0.28. should i keep the old kernel.
00:20<sney>c0re: also make sure you have libdrm-radeon1 installed
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00:21<sney>the stable 2.6.32 kernel is new enough to support the hd5770. if you feel like using 2.6.38, you can install it from backports, but it won't make a difference in this case.
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00:22<sney>can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin site?
00:22<c0re>i noticed when i played wow (only was able to get it to run once) on the 2.6.32 kernel it was really choppy and slow
00:24<HardwareFreak>just compiled 2.6.38 pristine using 'make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.1.0 deb-pkg' and I see headers and libc-dev .deb files in addition to the kernel image .deb file. Last kernel I built was pristine. Until building I'd never seen the header and libc-dev files generated. Are these needed? Why were they built this time?
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00:24<sney>c0re: wow actually runs better under wine than on windows when dri/glx are working, which so far they aren't in your case
00:24<c0re>sney: the thing is my lan wnt work under windows lol
00:25<c0re>it slowly failed but works fine in linux
00:25<sney>you'll notice a significantly improved framerate in stormforge, for instance
00:25<c0re>ill get a new nic i guess
00:26<c0re>oh how can i get conky
00:26<c0re>in my apt
00:26<c0re>nvm its there
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00:30<sney>well, the X driver does detect and support your card, but direct rendering and acceleration are still disabled... hmm, let's try the new kernel actually.
00:30<sney>!squeeze backports
00:30<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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00:31<sney>c0re: follow the instructions linked above, and the package is linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (or amd64 if that's the case)
00:31<c0re>thanks alot wanted to do this correctly
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00:37<c0re>i get a long list of required firmware files may be missing
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00:40<sney>c0re: where's the list of required firmware files?
00:40<c0re>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer hrm is it thx
00:40<c0re>uh em
00:42<c0re>it was in a different ... is there a log
00:43<sney>the messages that show when you boot can also be seen with the 'dmesg' command
00:43<CyberCalm>Can you lock grub2 the same way you used to be able to lock grub
00:43<CyberCalm>password protect / lock
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00:45<c0re>[ 3.604852] radeon 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
00:45<c0re>[ 3.604857] radeon 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
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00:47<c0re>i think its Xorg
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00:50<sney>radeonhd is an alternative driver for r500-r700 only
00:50<c0re>whats 5700 ?
00:50<c0re>ill google
00:51<sney>doesn't have an r-code
00:52<sney>r700 was the 4000 series.
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00:53<sney>any luck with the upgraded kernel?
00:53<c0re>Linux debian 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Apr 15 16:35:06 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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00:53<c0re>o wait
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00:55<c0re>still Software Rasterizer
00:56<sney>ok, well your other option is fglrx
00:57<sney>!fglrx dkms
00:57<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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00:57<c0re>is that all one command
00:58<sney>starting with "aptitude, and ending with conf"
00:58<jm_>one line, but several commands
00:59<c0re>what goes under my GPU?
00:59<c0re>is "'s,[^-]*-[^-]*-,," stay like that?
00:59<c0re>or nothing just copy paste
00:59<sney>copy paste
01:00<jm_>nothing, use MyGPU - it's just a string describing it
01:00<sney>the s,[^-] nonsense is sed, and "My GPU" can be anything. X default is usually Card0 but it could be "steve"
01:00<sney>so long as it's consistent with any other xorg.conf.d snippets you might make in the future.
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01:01<c0re>is debian called debian becuase of the .deb files
01:01<sney>other way around
01:01<c0re>FATAL: Module radeon is in use
01:02<sney>the name debian is a combination of the name of the founder and his girlfriend (wife?) at the time
01:02<sney>modprobe -r radeon drm
01:02<sney>both at once
01:02<c0re>modprobe -r radeon drm | reboot?
01:03<c0re>is that how that works
01:03<sney>no need to reboot yet
01:03<c0re>FATAL: Module radeon is in use.
01:03<c0re>is what it spits out
01:03<sney>are you still in your gui
01:03<sney>that's why it says to exit X
01:03<c0re>ok then modprobe -r radeon drm
01:03<sney>you're trying to unload the video driver while using it. that's not going to work
01:03<sney>yeah and the rest of it
01:04<c0re>riteing it down
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01:04<c0re>i m not sure how to get on xchat
01:05<sney>you can install irssi, it's a client that can be used outside of X
01:06<sney>a breakdown of those commands: you install the linux headers that it needs to build stuff, and the ati driver. the ati driver builds itself. then you unload the included 'radeon' driver, and set the configuration to use the ati driver instead
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01:09<CompWizrd>and if you're on sid, reboot every couple days because X keeps getting slower and slower :)
01:10<c0re>ok thx ill br back
01:10<sney>CompWizrd: file a bug. and see the topic: sid discussion goes to #debian-next
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01:11<CompWizrd>filing a bug might be hard when i don't know what part of it is causing this.. it's been like that for about 6 months now.. but off to #d-n i go :)
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01:38<hb>Can the installation of several packages local with gdedi
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01:40<c0re2>hey could i get that command again
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01:40<c0re2>i messed up :P
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01:41<c0re2>modprobe -r radeondrm didnt wrok i did just radeon and continued
01:42<c0re2> /etc
01:42<c0re2> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is messed up
01:43<jm_>!tell c0re2 -about fglrx dkms
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01:46<c0re2>is device card0? sorry
01:46<jm_>what device are you talking about?
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01:47<c0re2>graphics card
01:47<jm_>sure, but in which context? I have no idea what your question is about
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01:48<c0re2>oh lol
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01:48<c0re2> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection'
01:48<jm_>no it has to say Device - it's how X server expects it; see man xorg.conf
01:49<hb_>5700hd this is the type...?
01:50<jm_>one can use that as the identifier for example
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02:02<hb>Can i the install several local packages with gdebi
02:02<jm_>isn't that the idea of gdebi?
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02:06<hb>Is there a similar program do that...? I mean GUI gtk installer
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02:13<jm_>to install local .deb files? dpkg
02:13<jm_>but it doesn't resolve dependencies
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02:17<c0re2>i seem to hve broken my <<
02:17<c0re2>i dono
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02:17<c0re2>i got x to work again but
02:17<c0re2>its slowwww
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02:23<c0re2>glfxinfo dosntwrk
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02:24<chealer>could someone with a testing/unstable system ideally not relying on icedove test the following: [close icedove], [uninstall icedove], install icedove, attempt to start icedove and just tell me if it starts?
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02:29<classical>Hello folks :))
02:29<classical>Can someone help me to find keyboard without a windows logo under 30$ ?
02:31<tazer>think of it as a super button not a windows logo
02:31<Arrowmaster>well you can get a mac keyboard
02:32<Arrowmaster>but you arent going to find a pc-104 keyboard without a windows logo on those keys for that cheap
02:32<tazer>you need custom build $300 minimum
02:32<Arrowmaster>you can get one for around $100
02:33<classical>i use win key as super key but actually i do not like the logo on my keyboard
02:33<tazer>depends on the maker i guess and if its platinum
02:33<Arrowmaster>some high end keyboards you can purchase additional keycaps with different logos for those keys
02:33<Arrowmaster>and then there is the das keyboard without any keycaps at all
02:34<Arrowmaster>without keycap text/logo
02:34<jm_>wouldn't it be simple to scrub it off if it bothers you?
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02:34<classical>for 130$ i can get das keyboard + 11$ for linux keys to replace win keys
02:35<classical>but its too expensive
02:35<classical>for 140$ i will buy a pc lol :-D
02:35<chealer>classical: hah, that's a challenge. I went to 6 shops looking for a non-crappy keyboard 2 months ago and ended up purchasing my first product from Microsoft, a Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 for 25 CAD. there was nothing else below 30 CAE, and having no Windows logo was not part of my criteria.
02:36<tazer>im using a old dell quiet key always liked these
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02:36<tazer>you can get it for $3 at goodwill
02:36<jm_>logitech wave costs arround 40 eur here and is pretty good, none of that slim crap
02:36<classical>jm_, pulling it out is not good i think i need the key but without a windows logo :)
02:36<chealer>yeah, you'll have more luck in old keyboards, and I can send you a Pentium 120 which will accept the connector
02:37<Arrowmaster>i was going to check the price on my current keyboard but it seems they dont make it anymore, saitek eclipse
02:37<classical>tazer, is this without a win logo ?
02:37<jm_>classical: not pulling it out, scrub off the logo
02:37<tazer>no it has a win logo but it looks nice
02:37<tazer>more like a card board box logo
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02:38<classical>the mos ironic thing was when i was looking non win logo keyboard i have found it on ubuntu store but when i look at picture it was with win logo :-D
02:38<jm_>reminds me I need a new keyboard too, but it's hard to find the one with tall enter key
02:38<jm_>and that matches other criteria
02:38<classical>jm_, sorry i did not know the meaning of scrub
02:39<Arrowmaster>jm_: pc-105 or just 104 with tall return key?
02:39<tazer>i dont want no scrub scrub is the kind of guy that cant get no love from me hangin out the passenger side of his best friends ride tryin to roller at me
02:40<jm_>Arrowmaster: 104 I believe - 105 is the one with narrower left shiftm right?
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02:41<jm_>classical: that has small enter key :)
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02:41<Arrowmaster>theres actually multiple 105s i think, one with an extra key to the right of the left shift, one with an extra key to the left of the backspace
02:41<tazer>small enter key, backspace, and left shift is bad :(
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02:42<jm_>!tell fedor -about ru
02:42<tazer>i got a netbook with a right shift the size of a letter key
02:42<Arrowmaster>but all of the 105s seem to have the double tall but skinny return key
02:42<classical>jm_, you like big one like this ?
02:42<tazer>but i got used to it with that pro pinky action
02:42<jm_>classical: yes :)
02:42<classical>ibm model m has got no win key
02:42<fedor>speak rus?
02:42<jm_>fedor: see what dpkg told you
02:43<classical>and it far cheap
02:43<fedor>народ кто на русском говорит помощ нужна
02:43<classical>but actually i don't like it
02:43<classical>fedor, i do
02:43<tazer>oh i thought you meant rustic
02:43<classical>but i don't know typing
02:44<tazer>type russian with english alphabet
02:44<jm_>fedor: #debian-russian
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02:45<jm_>he needs urgent help in russian :)
02:45<tazer>i got beat up by a russian before
02:45<tazer>i thought he stuck tennis balls in his shirt but they were his muscles
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02:47<fedor>understand very little understanding of English
02:48<fedor>here's who speak Russian
02:48<tazer>big russian man strong
02:48<tazer>punch weak american in the head lots
02:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
02:50<jm_>no idea why it's so hard to read private messages from dpkg
02:54<classical>tazer, Вы должны изменить irc канал #debian-russian
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03:19<CyberCalm>Question: I have an install of debian going, and its doing encrypted lvm so its taking a long time to do the erasing, im wondering if i were to go to sleep, when its done erasing will it just sit at the next screen for me? or will it timeout and i will have wasted all this time
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03:36<SorryGuest>I'm trying to run Tor as another user, but I'm having difficulties on Debian 6.
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03:37<SorryGuest>it doesn't come with sudo, so I'm using su tor-user -c '/etc/init.d/tor $1', but on startup it asks for a password
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03:40<c0re>if my "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11" does that mean hardware acceleration is enabled?
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03:41<jm_>c0re: with fglrx? no
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03:42<c0re>i tryed to do the fglrx but failed
03:43<ferni>glxinfo |grep direct
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03:54<c0re>cant get it to work
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04:04<c0re>figured it out
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04:05<c0re>installed: xserver-xorg-ati,firmware-linux,firmware-linux-free,firmware-linux-nonfree,libgl1-mesa-glx,mesa-utils
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04:33<evaluate>Is there a reason why 'virtualbox-ose-qt' isn't in testing anymore?
04:34<tazer>im sleeping with debian tonight
04:34<dpkg>rumour has it, sleep is for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
04:35<tazer>sleep means sex with a peroid of recovery after
04:35<classical>haha lol
04:35<c0re>can i control fanspeed?
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04:36<womp>c0re:Why would you want to?
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04:37<themill>!why is virtualbox-ose-qt not in testing
04:37<dpkg>virtualbox-ose-qt is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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04:39<themill>evaluate: it looks like it was removed to allow xorg to migrate
04:40<evaluate>themill, any idea how long it might take for it to get back?
04:40<meglaw>i cant get my webcam working... i have a logitech fusion.. lspci & stuff ->
04:41<themill>evaluate: a while -- it's incompatible with both the current gcc and the current xorg. Until the developers get some clue and release a compatible working version, it looks like it will stay out
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04:43<jm_>c0re: if your motherboard supports it you can
04:43<jm_>as long as you mean those fans
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04:44<themill>evaluate: actually, it looks like the debian maintainer has managed to get it to compile with gcc 4.6 now. It still might be incompatible with xorg or that may also have been fixed.
04:45<womp>meglaw: , this might help.
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04:48<meglaw>womp: done that hours ago. :) cant get a /dev/video to appere, i think why is cos it cant set some mode like dmesg reports...
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04:49<meglaw>it might fix itself if i reboot it i donno i dont wanna try hehe
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04:50<Dattebayo>hey guys is there anybuddy here work with OpenVPN?
04:50<grove>Dattebayo: Yes
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04:52<womp>meglaw: Why not reboot?
04:52<Dattebayo>well for the the file name "vars" at the export part do i need to change it to my own info?
04:53<Dattebayo>in other word can u help me with configuration?
04:53<meglaw>coz then i have to connect to all the ircchannels and servers again womp hehe
04:54<dpkg>[Mikaelhv] anyone can take me to the orc caves??????
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05:01<dpkg>dpkg is probably the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
05:01<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
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05:11<mutante>arg..cant find a reason for this combination: between 2 servers, in the same subnet, TCP connections work, but ICMP fails. iptables rules are flushed with default ACCEPT. if i watch with tcpdump, i can see the ICMP echo requests reaching the other server, even the replies leaving it again, but they never arrive on the way back
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05:12<mutante>so it's just the input to the source, on the way back.. but there is no other packet filter or anything in between them
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05:12<mutante>and all other ideas dont seem to explain why TCP is working fine
05:12<Dattebayo>i know its rude of me to ask this but can u guys help me out with this link
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05:46<jww>does someone know how I could backup a exchange server from a debian server ?
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05:46<jww>I mean backup user's mails.
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05:46<c0re>i cant get glx to work
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05:47<petemc>jww: anything that does imap should work
05:47<jww>petemc: what about MAPI ? :\
05:47<petemc>what about it?
05:47<ApacheOmega>How do I download flash for my Natty? 64 bit
05:47<petemc>if you want to use windows type stuff, you would be better using a windows backup solution
05:47<arand>!ubuntu | ApacheOmega
05:47<dpkg>| ApacheOmega: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
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05:48<ApacheOmega>thank you
05:49<c0re>can iget the fgl
05:50<jww>petemc: don't tell me that it may be true, but my boss could hear you :p
05:52<cthuluh>jww: you can enable imap, iirc
05:53<jww>cthuluh: I don't have access to the exchange server, instead I have to ask an another admin.I asked for imap or pop at least.
05:53<jww>but see no all I got is stupid MAPI.
05:53<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see . #ati on
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05:55<CyberCalm>I just did an install of debian, let it use the whole disk for partitioning and it ended up giving me a 10gb root... is this going to end up being entirely too small for most uses.
05:55<CyberCalm>I didnt even notice until now -_- *sigh*
05:55<jww>your can prolly resize the partitions CyberCalm .
05:55<jww>use something like gparted.
05:55<jww>also 10g for / sound quite ok to me. most data go in /home .
05:56<cthuluh>well, first we can't say if that's enough unless you show us the *real*, *complete* partition map
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05:56<jww>cthuluh: isn't debian default install with / and /home only ?
05:56<ApacheOmega>I'm trying to find the web page and or channel - where do I go?
05:56<CyberCalm>Yeah i only have / and /home, there is also an option for seperate /var and /usr but i didnt use that
05:56<cthuluh>jww: tired of guessing
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05:57<jww>cthuluh: hehe :)
05:57<CyberCalm>and /home is 245gb
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05:57<cthuluh>CyberCalm: then it *might* become too small if you install two desktop environments, if you don't purge your logs and if you don't remove your old kernels
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05:58<CyberCalm>Yeah... ugh, it seems silly to me for it to automatically set such small root
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05:59<cthuluh>then submit a bug report
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05:59<cthuluh>I don't quite agree with you, but *shrug*
05:59<cthuluh>such a simple partitioning is enough for most users
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06:00<CyberCalm>I -should- have done it manually, i just think its odd to set 10gb and a 420gb home lol
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06:04<ferni>I agree that if you have some 500gb disk it does not matter if your home is 490gb or 470g so that root could be 30gb
06:05<ferni>the automated disk partition should be revised
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06:12<CyberCalm>I'm going to see if i can work with 10gb, might work to my benifit seeing as i installed the system to help teach myself some things
06:12<CyberCalm>But yeah, a bit bigger if the HDD is big wouldnt hurt
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06:39<scisteffan>I've installed the "wl" driver, then ran the commands "ifconfig down" "iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc essid test channel 3", "ifconfig eth1 netmask", "ifconfig eth1 up". I've got an iPhone here but it can't recognise the network...
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06:44<ferni>Don't know if its related but just noticed that I cannot associate with access point if encryption is disabled for the wlan.. (might also be a problem with wicd)
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06:45<scisteffan>when I run "iwconfig", "eth1" shows up as "Mode: Managed"
06:46<scisteffan>(I'm hoping it should say "Mode: Ad-hoc" if I've just run "iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc"
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06:51<pelesz>scisteffan: wl is the proprietary broadcom driver, right? it lacks a lot of features the foss driver has, it can be ad-hoc mode is one of them
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06:53<scisteffan>it's the vendor hybrid driver. I switched from brcm80211, the open source driver, because apparently it didn't support ad-hoc
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06:55<scisteffan>maybe I got that the wrong way round
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06:57<longshanks>Wotcha all
06:58<longshanks>I'm trying to get exim to honor the 'callout' directive in conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt but no matter what I do it just won't callout for non-local domains. Anyone got any idea how I can debug to find out where the problem lies? Or has any better idea?
06:59<pelesz>scisteffan: i just tried iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc and it did change the mode, b43 driver that is, didn't tried to connect to it though
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07:05<scisteffan>pelesz, I'm using the brcm80211 driver. It says "Operation not supported".
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07:14<pelesz>scisteffan: never heard that one before, sorry, can't help you then :S imo the wl driver isn't supporting it
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07:15<scisteffan>seems to be a well-known issue:
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07:23<ferni>hmm, mozilla is dropping support for ff 3.5 and squeeze has 3.5 iceweasel..
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07:24<jm_>it was the same with lenny AFAIR
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07:25<ferni>and because some stupid policy, iceweasel cannot be upgraded to 3.6 in squeeze
07:26<petemc>debian stable not introducing new versions isnt a stupid policy
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07:26<ferni>well, it is in some cases
07:27<petemc>no it isnt, you're just saying that because you feel slightly inconvenienced
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07:27<petemc>its easy to get a backport, so just do that
07:27<pelesz>or you could always upgrade to testing :)
07:28<ferni>well whole iceweasel thing is stupid
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07:28*MrFrood wonders if ferni has heard of backports..?
07:28<yeyeye>can i speak in spanish?
07:28<ferni>yes i have
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07:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:29<yeyeye>thanks dpkg
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07:31<ioriveur>Is there anyone using Debian on Cobalt Qube?
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07:32<ioriveur>No Channel for Debian mips-el, neither mips.
07:33<MrFrood>ioriveur: problems with repros?
07:33<ferni>but anyway.. forget the outdated iceweasel stuff and get from
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07:34<themill>ferni: the only way to upgrade iceweasel in squeeze is to remove all other xul-using programs (including thunderbird/icedove). Is that a viable solution?
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07:35<ioriveur>MrFrood: No, but it won't run SSH, I think because HDD is missing, but that sounds a little strange
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07:37<tommy>con i connect to other channel
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07:37<ioriveur>MrFrood: I means I want to boot installer, for testing, anyway, without HDD, I want to know whether it boot or not.
07:37<ferni>themill: don't they have own versions of xul anyway and not compatible with each other?
07:38<Marezz>Hello everyone :)
07:38<petemc>tommy: /join #foo
07:38<ioriveur>Hi Marezz
07:38<ferni>themill: only the iceape uses the same core for web/mail
07:38<tommy>hahaha ty
07:38<themill>ferni: no and no. That's why squeeze has 3.5 and in fact, that's why wheezy still has 3.5 too.
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07:39<yeyeye>how i can connect with the valencia channel?
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07:39<themill>ferni: mozilla keeps changing various things that they claim are "libraries" that they want others to use and they keep changing them in non-backwards-compatible ways. This leaves everyone who wants to use them as libraries completely stuck. There was quite some discussion on the debian-devel and debian-release mailing lists.
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07:40<ferni>themill: ah ok
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07:44<ioriveur>MrFrood: So I made up nfs server and dhcp server with this
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07:46<ioriveur>MrFrood: And booting from network gone well, but after choosing install(SSH), stopped LCD and won't go any more.
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07:47<MrFrood>ioriveur: I really can't help you (out of mt knowalage range), I think this might be one for the mailing list
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07:50<ioriveur>MrFrood: Thanks, but it does not have strage yet, so it is not surprising that stop suddenly, but I can't buy HDD in few days around, so I ....somewhat....just know.
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07:51<ioriveur>Not in serious trouble, yet.
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07:55<ioriveur>By the way, which web browser you prefer? I have a little lemon machine, opening huge site, stop, and get crazy with swap.
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07:57<jm_>ioriveur: low memory machines are problematic with pretty much any browser, except the likes of lynx/links/w3m (in text mode)
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08:00<pelesz>ioriveur: you could try epiphany, midori or arora if you wanna stick to graphical browsers
08:00<ioriveur>yeah, i love w3m, especially I am in something need, like googling how that TeX command was...??but I wanna know suck less browser when scrolling over big images.....
08:01<jm_>w3m can show images too in X
08:02<pelesz>w3m and elinks support images even in framebuffer
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08:02<MrFrood>elinks supports images..?
08:02<ioriveur>pelesz: epiphany.... I said her bye.... poor epiphany... revert relation with her, and try midori, thanks. I haven't hear about arora, how it is?
08:03<MrFrood>pelesz: sure you don't mean links?
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08:03<pelesz>i only used it once, clean nice one, with some missing features, but ok
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08:03<ioriveur>Yes, in my openBSD machine, w3m-X-image(not sure how the pkg was), and show image.
08:04<pelesz>MrFrood: no elinks, it calls fim/fbi/feh if you click on images, but yea, i forget links2
08:04<MrFrood>w3m-img in debian I think
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08:05<MrFrood>calling feh or fbi isn't exactly in browser like links2 or w3m-img
08:05<ioriveur>wow, I'll install w3m-img imm.
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08:06*MrFrood uses elinks a lot
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08:06<pelesz>true, but if you need it, you can still see the images :) but i'm not sure the facebook icon is so nice to display it every minute :p
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08:08<MrFrood>pelesz: ;)
08:08<pelesz>and fim/fbi have some nice features browsers mostly miss
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08:09<Marezz>Im gonna try debian in vbox, how much space should I give?
08:09<pelesz>hehe, heard that, too bad i don't use facebook :)
08:09<Marezz>what about facebook? :D
08:09<jm_>Marezz: depends what you will do, but you can use its dynamic storage and give it bigger size and vbox will allocate it on the fly
08:10<Marezz>jm_, I just wanna try it out before install
08:10<jm_>Marezz: 10G is plenty
08:10<Marezz>Want to fully switch to debian :)
08:11<ioriveur>Marezz: I think big virtual strage eat his size in real.
08:11<Marezz>ioriveur, What do you mean?
08:11<ioriveur>Marezz: s/eat/don't eat/
08:11<ioriveur>sorry, typo.
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08:13<ioriveur>You give vbox storage 50GB in example, the vbox don't make 50GB huge file immediately.
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08:13<ioriveur>but in my bad memory...
08:13<jm_>indeed, at least if you select the right option when creating new storage unit (it's the default)
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08:14<ioriveur>Oh yes, it's exactly, thanks.
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08:15<Marezz>Sorry my xchat stopped responding
08:15<ioriveur>Welcome back
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08:17<Marezz>I cant run debian on vbox
08:17<Marezz>says that i need some kernel
08:17<jm_>it works just fine
08:17<ioriveur>Above words fbi and fim is browser?
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08:17<jm_>fbi and fim are picture viewers
08:17<jm_>image viewers
08:18<ioriveur>Oh remember. Well, w3m and his friends uses fbi or fim, did you mean? correct?
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08:19<pelesz>w3m can show images inline by himself, elinks can call fbi/fim if you need it
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08:19<ioriveur>Marezz: How did you boot debian on vbox?
08:19<Marezz>ioriveur, I didnt
08:19<Marezz>I get error before I can
08:20<MrFrood>tex mode browsers use fbi/fim to show images in the console the exceptions being lynx2 (in graphical mode) and w3m-img which can show in browser if the framebuffer is running
08:20<MrFrood>*text mode...
08:21<ioriveur>Pelesz, MrFrood: Thank you for teaching! ;)
08:21*MrFrood must learn to type one-day
08:22<Marezz>Here is what I get
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08:23<themill>Marezz: you need to install the vbox kernel drivers on the *host* machine. The problem is on your suse machine not in the debian virtual machine
08:24<Marezz>themill, How do I do that?
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08:24<themill>Marezz: no idea. You'd need to ask them.
08:24<Marezz>Ok, thanks anyway :)
08:24<pelesz>Marezz: look in the package manager for kernel headers
08:24<ioriveur>I think the sun know lol
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08:25<ioriveur>Because of oracle, I can't get detailed doc about netra t1 and Cobalt 2700.
08:25<ioriveur>Oracle crimes.
08:26<ioriveur>Well, I had hard time with vbox on suse, too.
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08:28<ioriveur>Why I must have suse is using Altera software, but at last, I quit using Altera software on recommended env, and make it run on debian. So peace came.
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08:30<ioriveur>Bye, I must study for exam.
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08:44<longshanks>I'm trying to get exim to honor the 'callout' directive in conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt but no matter what I do it just won't callout for non-local domains. Anyone got any idea how I can debug to find out where the problem lies? Or has any better idea?
08:44<petemc>exim -bhc
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08:46<longshanks>petemc: that just allows me to test how exim delivers right? I've done the same myself manually using nc. I don't see a callout in the exim logs.
08:47<petemc>no, it runs through a fake smtp session with callouts
08:47<petemc>-bt tests delivery
08:47<longshanks>petemc: I did have this working back on Sarge, and I rebuilt the box (hardware failure) on Squeeze and the same simple command doesn't work anymore.. :-S
08:47<longshanks>ah ok, I shall give that a while and see what happens.
08:47<longshanks>is the the name of the server? in my case I do exim -bhc localhost ?
08:48<petemc>you can specify any ip address
08:48<petemc>use one that is relevant to your problem
08:48<longshanks>petemc: Yeah, but in my case I need to test my backup-mx and see if it makes a callout to my primary MX
08:49<longshanks>Problem with exim is I set it up and it runs for decades without a problem.. then one day something breaks and I'm not really up to scratch on how to do it as I seldom need to play with it. i.e. it doesn't stay in my memory. Did know all this stuff once :(
08:49<jm_>i'd classify that a problem with the admin, not with the tool :)
08:50<longshanks>jm_: Oh I'm certainly not suggesting it's a problem with the tool :)
08:50<petemc>it seems odd to me that something should be delivering to your backup mx if your primary is up and able to answer callouts
08:50<longshanks>petemc: you not heard of spam ?
08:50<petemc>i have
08:50<longshanks>Spammers tend to target MX's with a lower pri
08:50<longshanks>and I'm getting loads of junk from fake email addreses TO fake email addresses. if i can do callouts I'll cut down on my spam
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08:51<longshanks>and as I say, my setup USED to work. But now I'm running on the latest exim that comes with squeeze and they've obviously changed something or I've cocked something up. I have read the Exim manual that details callouts. It's very simple to do I'd be amazed if I'd managed to make a mistake. It's only a one liner in the conf file.
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08:52<longshanks>I have also created an SPF record for my domain. Not too sure if that will help with the forgeries.
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08:55<longshanks>petemc: you're a legend. Think i've found the prob
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09:01<kgoodwin>looking for a way to forward email out of Evolution to an outside account. Possible?
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09:04<MrFrood>kgoodwin: #evolution on
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09:07<fabzor3>may I ask a tech help question here?
09:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:07<fabzor3>its pretty basic, I'm just trying to get sound working
09:07<fabzor3>I think I just want to select my default sound device
09:07<MrFrood>!tell fabzor3 about alsactl
09:08<fabzor3>thanks heaps MrFrood I'll try that :D
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09:16<pedrolrneves>boas algum protugues
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09:17<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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09:25<classical>for vim fans i have just found great vim t-shirt
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09:28<fabzor3>sorry to say, but even after that alsactl trick, sound still doesnt work
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09:29<fabzor3>should I try installing Pulseaudio?
09:30<fabzor3>because I noticed that sound worked fine on this laptop in ubuntu, it just seems to be having trouble with Debian
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09:32<devil>fabzor3: did you check alsamixergui and make sure, nothing is muted?
09:32<fabzor3>hang on let me see
09:33<devil>and levers are pulled up
09:33<fabzor3>yeah its all up
09:34<MrFrood>and not mutted/
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09:34<fabzor3>how do I unmute it?
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09:36<MrFrood>toggled by the m key
09:36<MrFrood>in alsamixer
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09:37<MrFrood> you need bot master and pcm unmuted
09:37<MrFrood>!tell fabzor3 about alsa-checklist
09:37<fabzor3>yeah i realise this
09:38<fabzor3>but what do I press to mute/unmute?
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09:38<MrFrood>you probably done already done it
09:38<MrFrood>fabzor3: mute on each channel is toggled by the m key
09:39<MrFrood>in alsamixer
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09:41<fabzor3>yeah thats what I thought
09:42<MrFrood>you can also try F6 in alsamixer
09:43<longshanks>spoke to soon on the exim thing. red herring. still broken
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09:45<notmichael_>cant i install netbeans over apt ?
09:45<dpkg>NetBeans is an open source, cross-platform Integrated Development Environment (IDE) written in <Java>. Packaged for Lenny as netbeans-ide, ask me about <contrib>. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bug #506294. #netbeans on
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09:48<notmichael_>so its not available for current version :/
09:48<notmichael_>thanks Ganneff
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09:52<devil>notmichael_: it is, at least for sid
09:52<devil>oh, didnt read all
09:52<notmichael_>i think i am not experienced enough for sid
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09:56<carl-m>I would like to change the default color on my console from grey to white - does anyone know how to do that?
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10:01<MrFrood>carl-m: what terminal are you using?
10:01<carl-m>the real console, not X
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10:02<MrFrood>carl-m: can be done - if you give me 5 mins I'll get back to you (on te phone now)
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10:03<carl-m>MrFrood: sure, take your time
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10:06<Tuhin>Hi all
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10:08<MrFrood>carl-m: is what I have in my .kshrc I think for bach you will need to change the escape code
10:09<MrFrood>hope that helps
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10:11<carl-m>It's been a while since I had a computer that I used at the console. last time i had a monochrome green monitor
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10:12*MrFrood prefered amber
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10:23<Stemby>Support for PowerPC is continued in the releases 3.1 (`sarge'), 4.0 (`etch') and 5.0 (`lenny'). → Support for PowerPC is continued in the releases 3.1 (`sarge'), 4.0 (`etch'), 5.0 (`lenny') and 6.0 (`squeeze').
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10:23<MrFrood>Stemby: #debianppc
10:24<shaik>Hi and Hello Everybody.....!
10:24<shaik>i have little problem with vsftpd
10:24<shaik>i dont know how to give upload permission
10:24<MrFrood>shaik: if you have no joy try here again
10:24<shaik>can you pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tell me that
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10:24<MrFrood>sorry that was for Stemby
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10:25<MrFrood>shaik: can you explain more?
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10:26<shaik>Yeah...! i have configured that vsftpd.conf .... and i can able to download the files but unable to upload the files saying that permission denied
10:26<shaik>what shall i do....!!
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10:27<longshanks>shaik: you need to set the permissions on the folder so that the ftp user has access to it
10:27<shaik>Response: 550 Permission denied.
10:27<shaik>Error: Critical file transfer error
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10:28<shaik>i have given the permission 777 but..the problem is same....!
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10:29<shaik>do you want me to show the configuration file
10:29<shaik>i am using filezilla ftp that ok
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10:30<MrFrood>imho gftp is better
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10:32<shaik>OK...MrFrood and Longshanks.. i will try with gftp and other client ftp....THANK YOU SO MUCH...!!
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10:46<longshanks>yee har. finally got it sorted
10:47<MrFrood>well done :)
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10:48<starach>hello, I'm trying to resize my RAID1 md2 partition so I could fit another partition for OpenVZ. I have managed to resize md2 but i cannot resize sda3 and sdb3. parted says that there is some incompatible feature enabled for file system.
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10:49<GundamZ>hi guys.can anyone tell me how to add icons to buttions and context menu in gnome
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10:51<starach>I may be doing this upside down since I couldnt find any good tutorial for this
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11:02<longshanks>starach: you using EXT3?
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11:02<starach>longshanks: yes I do
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11:10<longshanks>starach: think you need to remove journalling before you can resize an EXT3 partition
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11:11<starach>longshanks: thanks for the tip I will search for it and get back how it came
11:12<longshanks>starach: OK. There are plenty of docs on the net that detail how to resize a partition. I've not done it but have read the docs at some point. I seem to recall you have to remove journalling of EXT3 before you resize.
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11:13<longshanks>that may just be because there isn't an ext3 equivalent tool, or because it's not possible to do. I don't know which. Don't really play about with disks much.
11:14<sney>if anything can do that it's probably tune2fs
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11:15<Black_Prince>it's resize2fs
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11:15<Black_Prince>But, partition needs to be umounted to be resized.
11:15<Black_Prince>Best and safest way to do it is to use some distribution's live cd, or gparted live cd.
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11:23<nnik>hey guys, this isnt quite debian related, but can someone help me to connect using udhcpc and to the mac 'internet sharing' through ethernet?
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11:27<lili>why my debian have almost 100 processes even i install it in minimal mode..Is that a good design..My Mac have less than 50 processes//?
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11:30<mao__>19:29 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d % ps aux | wc -l
11:30<mao__>and that's counting kernel stuff
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11:30<bluewater>lili: counting root and user
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11:31<themill>("who cares" is the other question... a process count is meaningless)
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11:32<starach>longshanks: I have found pretty good tutorial on howtoforge which game me fallowing command: tune2fs -O ^has_journal It also tells me to run "e2fsck -f " but I cant since it says that "e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda3"
11:32<sney>you have to unmount the drive
11:33<starach>"which gave me"*
11:33<starach>it is i think
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11:33<starach>Im running system from rescue cd
11:33<Black_Prince>You never look at what I wrote a little bit earlier?
11:33<starach>i did
11:33<Black_Prince>All partitions have to be umounted.
11:34<starach>accualy Im rentig a dedicated server so i have no direct access to it
11:34<Black_Prince>Some rescue discs use swap as aditional memory.
11:34<starach>my hosting company which i rent server from
11:34<Black_Prince>Because most of system loads into ram
11:34<sney>if you run 'mount' without any arguments, it'll show you what's mounted.
11:34<starach>hmm so what should i do?
11:34<Black_Prince>You can safely swap it off ...
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11:35<Black_Prince>But expect some performance loss
11:35<mjr>would being mounted read-only be sufficient for adding the journal? (don't remember)
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11:35<starach>rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
11:35<starach>tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
11:35<starach>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
11:35<starach>sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
11:35<starach>procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
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11:36<Black_Prince>a common error
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11:36<starach>crap i forgot that irc has flood controll :P
11:37<Black_Prince>It's known to happen
11:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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11:40<starach>Black_Prince: I honestly dont have any idea which could be mounted onto my hard drive
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11:40<Black_Prince>I am not sure what this means /dev/loop0 on /root/.oldroot/rootfs type ext2
11:40<GundamZ>guys.can i resize partition without formating?
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11:41<cthuluh>depends on what you call "formating"
11:41<Black_Prince>GundamZ, depends on type of partition ...
11:41<GundamZ>to clear aprtition from files
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11:41<GundamZ>i just want to change size of it
11:42<cthuluh>it's possible to do so with many file systems, yes. try a live cd running gparted
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11:42<GundamZ>ok i`ll try it
11:42<cthuluh>if it's not an important partition for your system, you may run gparted from your debian
11:43<cthuluh>remember, be careful and make backups
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11:43<GundamZ>it`s my home aprtition of ext3.and i just want another partition for another distro
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11:43<Black_Prince>GundamZ, what distro?
11:43<GundamZ>i don`t have place on HDD so i want to resize it
11:43<GundamZ>Debian Sqezee
11:43<cthuluh>I recommend a live cd
11:44<Black_Prince>Download a live cd, it has gparted.
11:44<dpkg>A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (, ask me about <debian live>.
11:44<GundamZ>i have ubuntu live cd
11:44<Black_Prince>You can use it too.
11:44<GundamZ>about to make it?
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11:46<Black_Prince>Save data that you don't want to loose on another disk, flash or optical drie
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11:47<GundamZ>ok.thanks for help ^_^
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11:50<r4co0n>I have squeeze in a virtualbox on squeeze. Can I make the Virtualbox get its own IP from my DHCP, and if so, how? I have a spare LAN connection, as I guess this would be needed...
11:51<petemc>i dont use virtualbox but with xen that can be done by bridging the connections
11:52<jhutchins_lt>Virtual servers can get their own IP from DHCP.
11:52<smb>r4co0n: i'd have thought you could do that by bridging (Settings > Network > Attached to > Bridged adapter)
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11:52<Mart94>Hi! How can i reinstall Grub, fully, without LiveCD or what ever, using just terminal? Debian 6.0.1 & GRUB 1.98 Problem is, that update-grub not working.
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11:53<cahoot>n'not working' in what respect?
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11:53<Mart94>No respone, when i run it, it just displays black, no response from server
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11:55<r4co0n>alright, ive got to finish an install on the vbox right now, then im gonna have a look. I have to tell the father squeeze to leave this lan connection untouched, needn't I?
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11:55<r4co0n>thanks petemc and smb
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11:56<jhutchins_lt>We had someone on yesterday who was getting lockups with update-grub.
11:56<Mart94>That was me-.
11:56<Mart94>Still same problem.
11:56<Mart94>I think.
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11:57<jhutchins_lt>,versions grub
11:57<judd>Package grub on i386 -- lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-65; wheezy: 0.97-65
11:57<darkcore>hello there
11:57<jhutchins_lt>,versions grub2
11:57<starach>Black_Prince: I'm just thinking that it might be because sda3 and sdb3 are connected into md2 raid
11:57<judd>Package grub2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14; sid: 1.99~rc1-13; wheezy: 1.99~rc1-13
11:57<jhutchins_lt>Mart94: What have you changed with regard to grub?
11:58<darkcore>could anyone recommend me some terminal torrent client with a web UI?
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11:59<Mart94>jhutchins_lt: Nothing, atleast me. It was working well before, when i compiled first Kernel, but couple days ago, server went back to default kernel.
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11:59<Mart94>jhutchins_lt: And i have no idea, why
11:59<Black_Prince>starach, you use raid?
11:59<starach>yes I do
11:59<Black_Prince>That explains everything. I'm not well with raid.
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12:00<starach>well than it look like I will have to use mailing list
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12:05<shaik>Hi...Everybody..! i have little problem.... i have newly installed and configured vsftpd in filezilla and gftp ftp client can access the files and download the files but when i am trying to upload the throws error that is ... 550 permission denied...what shall i do guys...please help me
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12:07<starach>Black_Prince: I already did that and it went well but now I have to shrink my sda3 and sdb3 partitions so I could create sda4 and sdb4 partition which will serve me for md3 array which I want to use to install OpenVZ
12:07<shaik>do you have any step by step configuration methods or tutorial with you....? if you have can you please...send me through email..i.e., and please don't send manual page...that i already have that.
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12:07<retrospectacus>shaik: it means permission denied. You may go read about permissions
12:08<shaik>to where... can you please tell me in details... as a i am a new for linux...Pleaseeee 'retrospectacus'..
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12:10<Black_Prince>shaik, folder you try to upload files to has to be writable by user you are logged in as.
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12:11<dpkg>For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', and . For further information, see and and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>.
12:11<CaBa>is there a way to debug through a pam stack?
12:11<retrospectacus>shaik: read all those.
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12:12<CaBa>i added to a common-auth file, but it seems to kick in only if a user was authorized through pam_unix, but not for users that were authorized through pam_ldap
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12:17<r4co0n>Alright, i got the vbox now set up for bridging from eth1. When I plugged the cable, debian autoconfigured eth1. Im gonna turn this off if Im not corrected. Is there more to be done for this to work flawlessly? I want the father-squeeze and its son to have their own eth connection, without interferences, sharing, etc...(as much as possible, sure)
12:18<r4co0n>Another nice-to-have feature would be to intersect traffic from eth1->eth0 via lan, passing it directly, if u know what i mean.
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12:19<r4co0n>and the other way around, sure
12:19<r4co0n>would this be virtual lan?
12:20<mjr>this would be bridging
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12:21<r4co0n>mmmh, i want all traffic to go normally via lan to the router and forth, but a special kind to be forked? still bridging?
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12:22<r4co0n>any comment on turning autoconfigure off for eth1, as it is set up to be bridged be virtualbox?
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12:24<r4co0n>i am not really confident in believing all i have to do is click some boxes for this to work flawlessly. seems otherOSish.
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12:31<r4co0n>If I want to change a users real name, would editing passwd suffice?
12:33<Black_Prince>r4co0n, man chfn
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12:33<r4co0n>is this the one executed by adduser? thx Black_Prince
12:34<Black_Prince>r4co0n, it is.
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12:43<r4co0n>im new to managing multiple users with debian. I got a server running exim and doing some local delivery. I want the users to be authenticated by system, thats default. But I dont want some guy to actually log in on the server with his credentials, but to use them for smtp/imap access. how to achieve that?
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12:44<jhutchins_lt>r4co0n: Set the shell to /dev/null or similar.
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12:46<r4co0n>jhutchins_lt: why dont i get these ideas myself :/ thx
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12:47<Black_Prince>There is an option when adding user adduser --disabled-login ...
12:47<Black_Prince>Sets shell to /bin/false
12:47<jhutchins_lt>r4co0n: Check out the System Administrator's Guide from
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12:52<r4co0n>jhutchins_lt: you are my hero. love this reference...
12:53<jhutchins_lt>r4co0n: Glad you found it useful!
12:53<r4co0n>i think im gonna write a little script telling the guys that they cant login there and write the entered user name to some custom log file.
12:54<r4co0n>and link shell to that
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12:57<r4co0n>and write a custom addluser command for my pleasure :p
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12:57<Black_Prince>r4co0n, write man page too.
12:58<r4co0n>r4co0n: I gotta read Travaglia again to fully describe a luser...
12:59<r4co0n>talking to myself again
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13:00<r4co0n>hey, there is a new bofh:
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13:45<cg_>hello all... I have a samsung phone and no memory card, I need to connect it to my laptop but debian doesn't "see" it... anyone?
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13:45<petemc>cg_: that sounds normal
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13:45<petemc>the phone normally offers the sd card as the usb device
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13:47<cg_>I managed to make it work 3 months ago, but forgot to document it...
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13:48<cg_>and did a million things after that -good phones have linux drivers, samsung is s#ity hardware...
13:49<petemc>it should just use usb-storage
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13:49<cg_>well, the easy way is just buy a microSD card... petemc I select usb-storage and gnome doesn't auto configure it...
13:50<petemc>theres nothing to configure
13:50<cg_>it should have been there on my places tab... but I'll try manually mount it first...
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13:51<cg_>petemc, you're right but my laptop disagrees...
13:51<petemc>how so?
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13:53<cg_>I just figured it out... it was the settings on the friggin phone... thanks guys
13:54<cg_>!beer all
13:54*dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for all
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13:56<cg_>ty petemc
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13:56<petemc>i didnt do much, but np
13:57<cg_>been using debian since 94, hopefully the world will realise it's virtues... got to go happy debianizing people.
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13:57<ompaul>we need less unity more debian ... ? ;-)
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13:58<ompaul>MuzerAway: we really don't care if you are away - the right (aka cool) way to do that is "/away I've got to milk a cow or something"
13:59<ompaul>'lo theo_
13:59<daemonkeeper>ompaul: That's cool if you don't advertise it publicly only ;)
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14:00<ompaul>nick spamming is not something I've ever liked ;-)
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14:05<daniel_>hi all
14:05<daniel_>can someone help me with a script integration in amarok?
14:06<ompaul>daniel_: why not say what you want (note you might be asked to go to #amarok on freenode it is not trivial)
14:07<theo_>I'm trying to set up a dhcp server (isc-dhcp-server) on an alias interface (eth0:1), but it keep failing. Here is my last attempt (configuration + logs):
14:07<theo_>Does anybody know what's wrong?
14:08<daemonkeeper>You can'T do that.
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14:08<daemonkeeper>You have to use the physical interface and it must be a member in the lease network.
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14:09<daniel_>i've been visiting amarok, but there's no one there
14:09<daniel_>so i thought i can try here
14:09<daemonkeeper>daniel_: Note the Freenode reference
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14:10<theo_>daemonkeeper: Does that mean that I would have to switch eth0 and eth0:1 (so that the lan ip would bin on the physical interface)? Or does that mean that I'm screwed?
14:10<daemonkeeper>You can try your idea. Could/Should work.
14:11<ompaul>daniel_: you still have not said what it is exactly you want to do - so no one can help - we all failed telepathy ;-)
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14:11<Arrowmaster>theo_: you cant really run on dhcp server on an alias interface because it doesnt operate on that level
14:11<daniel_>thanx ompaul
14:11<daniel_>here is my issue
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14:12<daemonkeeper>This is what I said, Arrowmaster :)
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14:12<Arrowmaster>yeah i just said it in a different way
14:12<theo_>daemonkeeper: ok thanks a lot. I'll try later. I can't "break" my network right now.
14:12<theo_>Arrowmaster: that's sad :(
14:12<daniel_>i found a user who posted a script for amarok that helps you to retranscribe easier an audio interview
14:13<daemonkeeper>No, that's design.
14:13<daemonkeeper>theo_: By the way, you should use another physical interface for such things anyway.
14:13<daniel_>but i have no knowledge on how to put this to work in amarok
14:13<theo_>Yes, I'm thinking about this now. Doesn't seems like I have much choice.
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14:17<lelamal>hi all. I erroneously formatted a partition while installing debian
14:17<lelamal>can anyone suggest me an application to retreive lost file from that partition, please?
14:19<daemonkeeper>Your chances are less than tiny.
14:19<lelamal>damn, I knew itr
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14:21<lelamal>daemonkeeper: isn't there anything I can try to try that tiny?
14:21<daemonkeeper>Did you actually format or did you just overwrite the partition table?
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14:22<lelamal>I formatted
14:22<jhutchins_lt>lelamal: You didn't make backups first before reformatting a disk?
14:23<daemonkeeper>Virtually no chance then. You could ask a professional data recovery company if you really care.
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14:23<lelamal>the fact is that external HD was the one with backups, and was plugged in, so the system installed in that HD
14:23<lelamal>jhutchins_lt: ^
14:24<lelamal>daemonkeeper: I see, thanks
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14:25<jhutchins_lt>lelamal: So in the future, what should you do with your backups when you're working on the system?
14:25<Marezz>Hello everyone
14:25<Marezz>Whats the difference between install and graphical install?
14:25<lelamal>jhutchins_lt: thanks, I don't need a lecture, I know it was my fault, I'm just trying to reduce the damage
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14:27<jhutchins_lt>lelamal: No, seriously, take it as a learning experience. Don't mess with partitions or disks while the backup device is connected; label things and double check which device you're working on.
14:28<jhutchins_lt>lelamal: Experience is proportional to data destroyed - and I've had plenty of experience.
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14:29<Marezz>Whats the difference between install and graphical install of debian?
14:30<ompaul>Marezz: when done nothing
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14:30<ompaul>Marezz: point and drool vs cli
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14:31<Marezz>so install is cli and graphic is with gui?
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14:32<retrospectacus>yes. Some problems may occur with graphics (display drivers) so there is text mode install
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14:32<chealer>Marezz: Install uses the classic (Sarge) installer, graphical Install uses X during the installation. it's just the installation that changes.
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14:33<Marezz>yuck, sarge is awful <3 X
14:33<ompaul>Marezz: yes
14:34<ompaul>chealer: it's just the installer not the installation that changes ;-)
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14:34*ompaul waits for a pedant to point out that is choice dependant
14:35<kop>!tell ompaul about choice
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14:40<garret>hello, does anyone know where script is? It was in the libgnome-dev package, but this was replaced with libgnome2-dev and this package doesn't include gnome-libs command. I want to build VisualOS.
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14:49<JohnDoe>How can I modify a squashfs image?
14:49<devil>JohnDoe: there is lots of input on the net under keyword remaster
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14:51<JohnDoe>great, thanks
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14:51<r4co0n>I was asking a question on freenode about enabling dhcp to send a host-name on connect, but apparently the line "send host-name "ru3d1g3r";" makes my dhcp stop offering or my client stop working. any ideas?
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14:52<r4co0n>first dhcp refers to client
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14:54<kop>r4co0n: Check the logs to look for syntax errors.
14:54<mike_>I have just run debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze [etc...] and in my basic system there is no MAKEDEV script (as mentioned in "D.3.4.1. Create device files")
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14:54<mike_>and I find myself at a bit of a loss :/
14:55<kop>r4co0n: (FYI, many of the same people are here and in freenode. The ettiqute is to ask in only one place.)
14:55<jhutchins_lt>mike_: I think makedev is obsolete, the system uses udev now.
14:55<Marezz>soloflyer, I installed new fglrx driver and ram usage was halved :)
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14:56<mike_>jhutchins_lt: Can i safely skip that section of the manual and move on? Do I need to do anything special in /etc/fstab for udev?
14:56<jhutchins_lt>mike_: I don't think so.
14:56<jhutchins_lt>mike_: Having only done that process once about a year ago I can't tell you for sure.
14:56<r4co0n>kop: FYI, i didnt immediately cross post, but there was a lot of noise on freenode, so I wasn't noticed and thought, why not post in the rather quiet chan instead of reposting.
14:57<mike_>I've done debootstrap many times over the years, and it usually provides me the tools that the instructions tell me to use :)
14:57<kop>r4co0n: Anyway, the answers should be in the logs. syslog has everything if you don't find it in daemon.
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14:57<r4co0n>kop: thanks, was just going to ask that
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14:58<kop>r4co0n: /etc/rsyslog.conf or /etc/rsyslog.d/*.
14:59<mike_>Can you suggest how I might contact the documentation maintainers to report this apparent mistake?
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15:02<CyL>Hi, I'm tring to resolv some names based on the entries on my /etc/hosts, but it looks like it's entries have no effect on the name resolution on this machine. I have edited /etc/host.conf accordingly to include the option for the /etc/hosts files to be searched, but it looks like it has no effect. Any advice please?
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15:05<MrFrood>CyL: hosts file works fine here
15:05<CyL>MrFrood: but not here :(
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15:06<MrFrood>have you triedstopping/restrting your network connection?
15:07<CyL>MrFrood: not yet
15:07<mike_>CyL: Sounds strange to me. AFAIK all *nix systems check /etc/hosts before DNS. Heck, even Windows does it for that matter. :P
15:07<@weasel>that's a bit simplistic.
15:07<themill>CyL: how are you testing this?
15:07<@weasel>libc follows the rules layed out in /etc/nsswitch.conf.
15:08<@weasel>if that *configuration* file says to check /etc/hosts before dns it will. otherwise not.
15:08<mike_>good point
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15:08<mike_>although in my experience it has been fairly *standard* to allow overrides in a hosts file
15:08<CyL>mike_: Maybe I'm missing something here, because hosts file resolution is working for other names (like localhost or my own hostname), but not for this other entry
15:09<@weasel>CyL: so, what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf say about hosts?
15:09<CyL>themill: accessing the website whose name I'd like to shorten (and added the entry in the hosts file)
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15:10<CyL>weasel: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
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15:10<@weasel>do you need the mdns things?
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15:11<CyL>weasel: Not that I know, but since this was added by the installer, and I somethime connect to pure Microsoft networks, and everything is working great excpet for this particular entry on the hosts file, I don't think is a good idea removing it
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15:14<CyL>OOps, sorry folks, but it looks like this is some sort of bug related to Iceweasel... just Iceweasel can't resolv the name
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15:24<Arrowmaster>CyL: iceweasel has probably cached it, restarting iceweasel might solve it
15:24<mets>"squeeze" its the name of new debian?
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15:26<devil>mets: Debian 6, yes
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15:27<mets>ah ok thanks
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15:34<Marezz>whats the aprox time of single dvd debian install?
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15:35<MrFrood>depends on what you install and how fast your cpu/disks are
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15:35<Marezz>Thats why I asked aprox time :)
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15:37<MrFrood>an X'less install would be 2/3 of a Gnome/kde install time wise so it does really depend on what you install
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15:37<Marezz>Gonna install gnome, fglrx drivers, and multimedia codecs
15:38<MrFrood>I normally allow an hour for a net install on my old crappy machines I imagine newer machine with a DVD install would be quicker
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15:43<Deborah>oh oh something tells me I'm not in the Pinguy os channel lol
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15:47<Marezz>I got the feeling that all software on debian iso's is badly outdated >.<
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15:47<themill>dpkg: tell Marezz about stable
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15:49<JohnDoe>how do I use syslinux on a USB device with debian live? ;) it sais "ERROR: No configuration file found"
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15:57<kop>!tell Marezz about overview
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16:03<JohnDoe>is there any way to fetch udev events where only a device is actually connected physically?
16:03<JohnDoe>and not just a driver loaded?
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16:13<Marezz>Debian is awesome! and the amount of ram its using! Omg! I regret for not trying it earlier, this is the distro Ive been looking for :)
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16:14<c0re>when i hit ctr alt f2 is there a way to make the resolution bigger?
16:14<c0re>smaller font
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16:14<c0re>sharper looking etc
16:14<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
16:15<daemonkeeper>That's for X, I guess c0re means the ttys?
16:15<towo`>kms is for tty
16:15<retrospectacus>... "instead of X"
16:16<c0re>instead of x
16:16<towo`>if kms is in use, the tty will use the native resolution of the display-device
16:16<c0re>i have conky startup script. then gnome opens and it disapears
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16:16<towo`>what has conky to do with tty?
16:17<c0re>nothing lol
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16:18<kop>retrospectacus: Good. Since I've upgraded to squeeze I can no longer read the console fonts. I'll give nomodeset a try.
16:18<kop>retrospectacus: If I do that can I still run X?
16:18<MrFrood>towo`: double buffur in it's own window
16:18<towo`>why should it not?
16:18<towo`>MrFrood, hm?
16:19<c0re>yes i have two conkys
16:19<towo`>MrFrood, i do not have any problem with conky
16:19<MrFrood>towo`: sorry that was for c0re
16:19<c0re>cani fix that
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16:20<c0re>how do i go about booting nomodeset and will it mess up x?
16:21<retrospectacus>c0re: you may have better luck asking about conky in #conky on
16:21<c0re>thank you
16:21<MrFrood>c0re: double buffer and use it's own window
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16:21<retrospectacus>I don't know anything about kms, I just tell the bot to say stuff ;)
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16:22<MrFrood>kop: have you tried a differnt font?
16:22<philou>Hello, after a recent upgrade, i find myself with a 50% broken system : i think i've hit bug #624469. I've read the thread but i'm not sure about what i should do ( Debian Unstable, Debian 2.6.38-2 Kernel , amd64)
16:22<towo`>wrong channel
16:22<c0re>oh ok
16:22<MrFrood>philou: #debian-next for unstable
16:22<c0re>double_buffer yes
16:23<philou>oh sorry , thanks
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16:23<c0re>oh iam using double buffer
16:24<MrFrood>and own window ?
16:25<c0re>own_window yes
16:25<MrFrood>from what I remember that should work in gnome
16:26<towo`>conky has a excelent documentation
16:26<retrospectacus>and its own irc channel
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16:28<c0re>yes im there
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16:29<Marezz>I dont see fglrx driver in repo like someone told me -_-
16:29<c0re>god i cant change my text color in xchat
16:29<retrospectacus>,versions fglrx-driver
16:29<judd>Package fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-4-2; wheezy/non-free: 1:11-4-2
16:29<c0re>need non-free
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16:29<c0re>can u have it tell me about backports
16:29<towo`>c0re, even xchat has it's own irc channel
16:29<retrospectacus>c0re: /msg dpkg backport
16:30<retrospectacus>(type that)
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16:30<Marezz>judd, What?
16:30<c0re>not that dumb
16:30<MrFrood>!tell c0re about selftell
16:30<retrospectacus>!tell c0re about msgthebot
16:31<retrospectacus>Marezz: /msg dpkg fglrx
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16:31<Marezz>retrospectacus, Can u do it again? For some reason I didnt receive it
16:32<retrospectacus>I didn't send it, I told you how to ask the bot yourself
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16:36<Marezz>retrospectacus, Does this method provides me the latest fglrx driver?
16:38<chealer>Marezz: it doesn't provide the latest upstream version, no
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16:38<retrospectacus>I've never tried it, but looks like what you need (if you need fglrx - haven't been paying attention)
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16:39<Marezz>retrospectacus, All I need is latest firefox 4, latest fglrx driver and multimedia codecs
16:40<flower>locate gives me files which don't exist anymore
16:40<retrospectacus>flower: run updatedb
16:40<Lofde>anyone have a good website for doing basic things with shell scripting, pretty much i want to create a shell script that copies one folder to another... i am going to do this several times folder /server/fileb/* to /servera/fileb/* i am happy to over write files.. it would be nice to have advanced functions like /server/* find all folders that match name in /servera/* and copy only the newest files (updated or new) to that folder
16:40<Lofde>but it is not needed
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16:40<flower>retrospectacus: thx
16:41<retrospectacus>Lofde: use rsync for that
16:41<Lofde>ok i will read about it retrospectacus thank you
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16:42<Marezz>does testing have latest fglrx 11.5?
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16:42<Marezz>which one does it have?
16:42<retrospectacus>Marezz: you think so eh... why do you "need" the *latest* fglrx? Also trying to install FF4 is going to be nothing but trouble as it's not part of debian
16:43<chealer>dpkg: info fglrx-driver
16:43<Marezz>retrospectacus, So ur saying that everything thats not part of debian is bad? O.o
16:43<chealer>retrospectacus: Firefox 4 is in experimental
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16:44<dpkg>fglrx-driver: (non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 1:11-4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 20683 kB, Installed size: 63328 kB
16:44<retrospectacus>Marezz: not at all
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16:44<Marezz>firefox 4 became stable long ago...
16:44<retrospectacus>chealer: cool
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16:44<streuner__>Marezz: stable is wide term ;-)
16:45<Marezz>retrospectacus, If iceweasel is same as firefox 4 then I dont mind
16:45<retrospectacus>Marezz: I think you are confusing "large version numbers" with "good"
16:45<streuner__>Marezz: forget that,there is no modern browser which is stable
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16:46<Marezz>streuner__, Its just Ive gotten used to firefox 4 and I would like to keep using it
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16:46<Marezz>Never had any problems with it, no crashes etc..
16:46<retrospectacus>Marezz: iceweasel 4 is the same as ff4 but it's only in experimental
16:47<streuner__>devil: and you are dreaming of white christmas, arent you? :-P
16:47<Marezz>Ok, what do I need to do in order to have iceweasel 4, fglrx 11.4 or 11.5?
16:47<Marezz>oh and multimedia codecs
16:48<devil>streuner__: i actualy had one some months back :)
16:48<themill>Marezz: iceweasel 4 is available from How about you actually do one thing at a time.
16:48<streuner__>devil: it should be galeon, but newer browers just sucks :-P
16:48*devil is not a gnome.
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16:49<retrospectacus>Marezz: first get your fglrx working as per the instructions dpkg told you
16:49<Marezz>themill, Ofcourse, I just didnt want to ask multiple questions so I thought its better to ask it all at once :)
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16:50<Marezz>retrospectacus, The wiki method provides outdated driver, I dont want that
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16:50<retrospectacus>why not
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16:50<Marezz>To keep everything updated
16:50<towo`>Marezz, the wiki does not install anything
16:51<Marezz>towo`, I said the wiki method
16:51<towo`>Marezz, testing has 11-4, so install this driver
16:51<towo`>what's the problem?
16:51<retrospectacus>Marezz: just try it - the wiki says a lot
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16:51<retrospectacus>if you are running testing you will get the driver from testing
16:52<Marezz>retrospectacus, I just installed default iso, I dont know what im running
16:52<Marezz>How to get "testing"?
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16:52<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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16:53<retrospectacus>Marezz: carefully read that and then /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy for directions
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16:53<MrFrood>Marezz: cat /etc/debian_version
16:54<Marezz>MrFrood, tell whats it for, I dont know commands :/
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16:54<devil>Marezz: that command explains itself, no?
16:54<MrFrood>Marezz: you said you did not know which version of debian you are using
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16:54<retrospectacus>Marezz: cat /etc/debian_version to see your debian version
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16:58<Marezz>MrFrood, So I downloaded the wrong version?
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16:59<MrFrood>no, the recomended way to get testing is to upgrade from stable
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17:00<chealer>Marezz: the wiki method doesn't provide outdated drivers, it provides the drivers current for whatever Debian suite it is used on.
17:00<Marezz>chealer, Isnt anything below current version outdated?
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17:00<Marezz>I mean if it doens provide current 11.5 version then its outdated right?
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17:01<MrFrood>Marezz: if it works and gets security updates does it matter?
17:01<chealer>Marezz: depending on your definition of "outdated", but the version installed by that method *will* be the current version in the Debian suite it is used on.
17:01<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
17:02<Marezz>MrFrood, Why do game devs always say to keep ur gfx drivers up to date and OS?
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17:02<retrospectacus>they have SNS
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17:02<kop>Marezz: And they have a good reason. They make more money from shiner games.
17:03<MrFrood>Marezz: iirc they are uptodate for the kernel being used
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17:04<Marezz>kop, What does it have to do with that? They say to keep drivers up to date for better game performance
17:05*MrFrood (disclaimer) - uses nvida graphice
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17:05<Lofde>is there a gui "root" (sudo) file browser for ubuntu
17:05<Marezz>And for me as an ATI user is especially important to have latest fglrx as their drivers are shit
17:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:06<Lofde>sorry my xchat joined the wrong server
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17:10<Marezz>Id like to use fresh software from testing but I dont want gnome 3 :(
17:10<quant>Marezz, there's no Gnome 3 in testing
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17:11<Marezz>testin is wheezy? here it says the new features and gnome 3 is there
17:11<quant>Marezz, where did you read that?
17:11<streuner__>some packages, but not really lot
17:11<retrospectacus>,versions libgnome-desktop-3-0
17:11<streuner__>dpkg, gnome3
17:11<r4co0n>I got a problem with dhcp. Hickups on ifdown&&ifup. see
17:11<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
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17:11<judd>Package libgnome-desktop-3-0 on i386 -- experimental: 3.0.0-1
17:12<daemonkeeper>Those are Wheezy release goals
17:12<quant>Marezz, if you install testing now, you will get the "old" desktop... it will take some time for the Shell to arrive in testing
17:12<streuner__>most packages are in experiemental, and thats a playground of DDs...
17:13<r4co0n>r4co0n fails at lines 26f
17:13<chealer>Marezz: it doesn't say GNOME 3 is there, it's saying it will be in the final wheezy
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17:14<Marezz>I used LMDE(its using testing) before and everything was fine, just the kernel updates break my driver
17:14<quant>Marezz, maybe you would be interested in Xfce, I use it...
17:14<towo`>Marezz, what is your problem?
17:14<retrospectacus>!tell r4co0n about ask
17:14<towo`>Marezz, you must not upgrade tu testing if you want fglrx 11-4
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17:14<Marezz>quant, No, I want gnome
17:14<towo`>Marezz, install only fglrx-driver from testing and be happy
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17:14<Marezz>towo`, No problem, why?
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17:16<chealer>towo`: you can't just install fglrx from testing on stable (unless you compile it, maybe)
17:16<r4co0n>retrospectacus, its debian stable, standard, i expect ifdown not to throw parse errors at me. k?
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17:16<r4co0n>rest is at 23:12
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17:16<towo`>chealer, the driver + it's depends
17:17<towo`>chealer, but it will not end in an upgrade to testing
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17:17<Marezz>towo`, I have asked how to install fglrx 11.4 or 11.5, iceweasel 4/firefox 4 and they started asking why would I want that, then "SNS"..
17:17<Marezz>So instead of asking me why I want it, cant you tell me how?
17:17<quant>Marezz, Iceweasel 4 is in the Backports
17:18<chealer>quant: really?
17:18<quant>chealer, am I mistaken? :) I'm around 97% sure
17:18<chealer>quant: I don't see it anywhere.
17:19<MrFrood>Marezz: if you scrol back you will see that you were told how to install Iceweasel 4 sometime a go
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17:19<chealer>quant: it's not even in unstable
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17:19<r4co0n>I have a problem with dhcp-client; I'm running Debian stable/squeeze. When I try to do 'ifdown eth0' I get the following output I expected it to not print so many lines.
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17:20<retrospectacus>r4co0n: the leases file at the top with the errors does not appear to be the same as the leases file at the bottom
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17:20<quant>chealer, I'm sorry then
17:20<Marezz>MrFrood, If you scroll back you will see bunch of questions why I want latest vers of that software I asked for and "SNS" crap as well
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17:21<r4co0n>retrospectacus: the commands are issued in the given order without delay, so it should be the very lease file the parser can't parse. I thought it looked right too :/
17:21<quant>Marezz, try for Iceweasel 4
17:21<MrFrood>before sns crap you were told to to do one thing at a time and that iceweasel 4 can be obtained from
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17:22<r4co0n>retrospectacus: an ifdown after all brings the same error again, its cyclic. now i got it straight
17:22<quant>can anyone tell me what "sns" is? :)
17:22<MrFrood>sorry sns crap was supposed to be in quotes :-|
17:23<kop>!tell quant about sns
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17:25<r4co0n>i had the same problem with lenny some time ago, it reappeared today. its either me continously misconfiguring something or a flaw in my dsl box.
17:25<retrospectacus>r4co0n: dunno, looks OK to me. Mine says rebind 3 2011/05/18 17:06:12; but "never" could be right too
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17:26<r4co0n>retrospectacus: i can change this setting in the router, i may try that...
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17:26<retrospectacus>your post seems to indicate that the leases file had "rebind" on a line by itself
17:27<r4co0n>"auto eth0 <br />iface eth0 inet dhcp" is the corresponding config in interfaces
17:27<Marezz>thanks quant , is there a repo that has updated fglrx driver as well?
17:27<r4co0n>that's right like this, aint it?
17:28<retrospectacus>r4co0n: yeah.... assuming it's \n not <br />
17:28<r4co0n>its a linebreak on my display :)
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17:28<quant>Marezz, wouldn't know that, sorry
17:29<Marezz>quant, Ok thanks anyway :)
17:29<r4co0n>but ill follow your hint and use \n in the future.
17:29<quant>Marezz, sure
17:29<devil>Marezz: towo` told you
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17:30<Marezz>devil, He said that testing has 11.4 driver but Im using stable, so I guess I need repo with updated driver.
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17:30<r4co0n>well, i think its this shitty easybox. it listed not connected clients in dhcp log and lists others not, so why trust it in this regard.
17:31<r4co0n>retrospectacus: thanks for your help
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17:31<devil>Marezz: that would be testing (wheezy). but i would try to learn more about debian beforwe venturing there
17:32<MrFrood>!tell Marezz about bpo
17:32<Marezz>devil, Isnt there a repo for it?
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17:32<devil>Marezz: i just told you
17:32<r4co0n>Marezz: the repo is called testing, which links to wheezy atm.
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17:33<Marezz>r4co0n, Thanks
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17:34<r4co0n>Marezz: you can link your sources to either release types or version code names. the latter is recommended.
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17:35<r4co0n>Marezz: So u dont accidently do an upgrade after a new release. but if you do so, u have to check if there is a new version every once in a while. Idling in #debian suffices.
17:36<Marezz>r4co0n, Well I just need iceweasel4/firefox4, updated flgrx drivers and Im happy :)
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17:36<kop>Marezz: Subscribe to (I think that's it.) There's hardy ever any traffic.
17:36<r4co0n>Marezz: iceweasel4 is in backports
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17:37<Marezz>r4co0n, And fglrx?
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17:37<r4co0n>Marezz: no clue, i guess someone wouldve mentioned that
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17:38<towo`>there is no iceweasel4 in backports
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17:38<MrFrood>Marezz: just use the fglrx in squeeze - give a month or so for you to get the feel of Debian and if you still feel the need update to Testing to get the sns fglrx
17:39<r4co0n>marezz, towo is right, add "deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0" to your sources
17:39<Guest1280>anyone else having compositing in testing?
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17:39<Guest1280>*problems with ...
17:39<MrFrood>does xcompmgr count?
17:39<MrFrood>(no problems)
17:40<Guest1280>dunno, i think the problem is with plasma-desktop
17:40<Marezz>MrFrood, Whats the current fglrx in squeeze?
17:40<MrFrood>no idea I use nvidia - ask judd
17:40<Marezz>judd, Could you tell me whats the current fglrx in squeeze?
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17:41<r4co0n>marezz: if u got the squeeze repos, use "dpkg -s <packageName>" to get the answer
17:41<JohnDoe>is there any way to do pause a bash script for a defined period of time without blocking it?
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17:41<JohnDoe>like, during the execution of the script I say "run this and this in soandso many seconds"
17:42<retrospectacus>JohnDoe: sleep 10; echo 10s later
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17:42<JohnDoe>this works even if it's an initrd script?
17:42<JohnDoe>it does not block with sleep?
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17:45<towo`>Marezz, sid and testing has the same version of fglrx
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17:45<retrospectacus>JohnDoe: no it will block. You can do this:
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17:45<retrospectacus>JohnDoe: simple example: echo start; ( sleep 5; echo delay done; )& echo end
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17:46<retrospectacus>JohnDoe: hopefully this helps
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17:47<JohnDoe>retrospectacus, oh right, thank you very much!
17:47<Marezz>MrFrood, Thank you
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17:48<Marezz>lol its using about a year old fglrx
17:49<r4co0n>is there something broken at my place, or why does dpkg -s say nothing about fglrx-driver?
17:49<MrFrood>10.9 from backports
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17:49<towo`>Marezz, how we should tell you again?
17:50<retrospectacus>r4co0n: mine says Package `fglrx-driver' is not installed and no info is available.
17:50<r4co0n>retrospectacus: normally, it displays a status for packages that are not installed but available
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17:50<r4co0n>retrospectacus: but apt-get -s did find it...
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17:51<Marezz>towo`, Whats up?
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17:51<towo`>you whining since hours about outdated fglrx
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17:52<towo`>Marezz, install them from testing or use the "outdated" ones
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17:53<retrospectacus>!tell swirl about away
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17:54<ecc>Where does the SHELL environment variable get set? In some of my sessions, it's "/bin/bash", but in others it's just "bash" (which breaks some things). I don't set it in any of my own bash profiles.
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17:54<MrFrood>ecc: in a script?
17:54<ecc>No, interactive sessions (gnome consoles, ssh logins, etc.)
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17:55*r4co0n reads man dpkg-query: "-s This just displays the entry in the installed package status database." So it doesnt work like i thought it would.
17:55<MrFrood>ecc: man chsh
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17:57<ecc>no, that says /bin/bash on all the machines
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17:57<devil>r4co0n: apt-cache policy does
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17:59<MrFrood>ecc: you can add an export line to your shells rc files if you feel the need
17:59<r4co0n>thx devil. its even formatted in the way i got used to. n1
17:59<ecc>ah, I found it -- it was getting set in my .screenrc
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18:01*r4co0n thinks he should get supported by society for supporting debian. hell, that would be cool :)
18:01<r4co0n>talking of monetary society support
18:01<retrospectacus>count me in :)
18:02<selbeimanti>after restarting debian testing with newest updates, i can't ping anything outside my intranet any more. i'm writing this from another pc from the same intranet, and i can ssh to the "offline" machine from there. any ideas what might be the problem?
18:03<retrospectacus>selbeimanti: dns
18:03<devil>selbeimanti: ping ip or ping url or both?
18:03<retrospectacus>selbeimanti: what's in /etc/resolv.conf on the "offline" machine
18:03<selbeimanti>devil: only tried url, so could be dns, right.
18:04<selbeimanti>resolv.conf is empty
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18:04<devil>there you go
18:04<retrospectacus>the dhcp server should suppoly dns servers to go in there
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18:04<selbeimanti>damn, i had a similar problem some time ago on another machine; why doesn't it?
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18:04<selbeimanti>could it be some kind of problem from the router?
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18:05<retrospectacus>unlikely, if other machines are fine
18:05<drgr33n>Hey guys what channel for a debian-live support ?
18:05<selbeimanti>any idea for a remedy that will save me from having to supply dns data by hand every time i boot?
18:05<retrospectacus>drgr33n: #debian-live
18:06<drgr33n>thanks :D not that it wasn't obvious :D
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18:06<r4co0n>2nd result on Chocolate factory :P
18:06<retrospectacus>selbeimanti: you may /msg dpkg resolvconf
18:06<retrospectacus>selbeimanti: but it should "just work" unless something is preventing it being written
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18:07<CyberCalm>Hey folks, i'm having an issue with my wireless... I'm running debian squeeze using the ath9k driver, for some reason when i choose my access point network manager shows that its authenticating, dmesg says its authenticated but then it just drops, never making a full connection. Any ideas?
18:07<selbeimanti>retrospectacus: for now i just added the two nameservers from my other machine to the file.
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18:08<retrospectacus>selbeimanti: that'll work until the file is overwritten - but that could be never
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18:08<selbeimanti>so what could be the reason that it was blanked this time?
18:09<drgr33n>May aswell ask here too :D Got a quick question. I'm currently developing my own live distro based on debian. Is there a method already in place that I can force users encrypt the home drive ?
18:09<retrospectacus>selbeimanti: dunno
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18:09<cirzgamanti>retrospectacus: ok, thx all for getting me back online, i'll just hope it won't happen again, or that i'll remember the reason the next time it does ;)
18:09<cirzgamanti>(this is selbeimanti from the other machine)
18:10<retrospectacus>cirzgamanti: enjoy
18:10<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: perhaps it is failing to get a DHCP lease
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18:11<CyberCalm>Hrm, maybe. *tries static*
18:11<CyberCalm>Yep that was it, thanks retrospectacus -_- bleh
18:12<CyberCalm>Spent too much time on that
18:12<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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18:12<CyberCalm>Out of curiosity, is Network manager built against dhclient? or if you install dhcpd will it use that
18:12<CyberCalm>cuz i swear, i never have any luck with dhclient
18:13<r4co0n>but we didnt really find out why it does that, did we?
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18:14*r4co0n get told by the cat to go to sleep
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18:15<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: network-manager: depends on isc-dhcp-client
18:16<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: (yes) ... dhcpd is unrelated though
18:17<JohnDoe>What's a regexp to grep all strings with a maximum of four slashes?
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18:21<dondelelcaro>JohnDoe: ^(?:[^\/]*\/?[^\/]*){1,4}$
18:22<dondelelcaro>(and if that doesn't make sense, time to learn regexes)
18:22<JohnDoe>ok time to learn regexes for me ;)
18:22<JohnDoe>thanks :)
18:23<retrospectacus>JohnDoe: another way: | awk -F/ 'NF>4 {print;}'
18:23<JohnDoe>thank you too
18:24<CyberCalm>hey folks, could i get you to look @ my sources.lst i just want to make sure im not missing anything.. The installer didnt activate any sources aside from the CD -_- :
18:24<CyberCalm>oops, thats an invalid link apparently, one moment..
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18:26<Marezz>I dont understand dpkg's explanation about "squeeze->wheezy", can someone explain me how to switch to wheezy from squeeze?
18:26<dvs>CyberCalm: lines 2 and 11 need "non-free"
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18:27<dondelelcaro>Marezz: generally speaking, if you need to ask how to do that, you shouldn
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18:27<MrFrood>Marezz: stick with squeeze until you have a feel for how Debian works
18:27<Marezz>dondelelcaro, Thats not what I was asking, If you cant help then dont respond at atll
18:28<CyberCalm>thanks dvs
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18:28<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: you may want to switch "us" to your local country code, or even if you are in the US, another country code - that server will probably be very slow.
18:28<dondelelcaro>Marezz: you're asking how to do an upgrade which could result in a system which you are unable to properly maintain
18:28<CyberCalm>retrospectacus, aye, fair enough
18:28<themill>Marezz: we're trying to avoid making work for ourselves by helping you avoid problems. Wheezy is not for new debian users right now.
18:28<CyberCalm>I was more concerned about the sections, i wasnt sure if those two that i was missing non-free on had a non-free section
18:28<MrFrood>Marezz: dondelelcaro and I are trying to help by telling you not to run before you can walk
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18:29<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: you also have no deb-src lines which you need if you want to get the source code of packages
18:29<CyberCalm>Yea i know
18:29<retrospectacus>k :)
18:30<Marezz>MrFrood, I dont want outdated software, thats all
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18:30<themill>Marezz: it's not outdated, it's well tested.
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18:30<Marezz>themill, Its about half year old
18:31<Marezz>antique in my eyes
18:31<retrospectacus>Marezz *really* wants all the shiniest new shit
18:31<CyberCalm>so he should run sid
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18:31<MrFrood>Marezz: as I said earlier give it a month or so with squeeze then if you still feel the need then update to testing
18:31<retrospectacus>guess so
18:31<dondelelcaro>Marezz: then read the rest of what dpkg told you. it has instructions on precisely what to do
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18:31<themill>Marezz: then maybe you shouldn't be trying to run Debian then. Debian is about stable, well-integrated, testing and actually working.
18:31<CyberCalm>watch stuff randomly explode for a while until you decide stable is actually kinda nice
18:31<grove>Marezz: You should get your eyes checked then
18:31<dondelelcaro>grove: that's not really necessary
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18:32<Marezz>Whats wrong with wanting to have firefox 4 or latest gfx driver? will that somehow break my system?
18:32<CyberCalm>I was running debian testing and now im on stable because i got tired of dealing with it, i don't mind having things stable and work all the time
18:32<MrFrood>Marezz: yes
18:32<CyberCalm>firefox4 is insecure in many ways
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18:32<CyberCalm>There was even a CERT about webgl yesterday :P
18:33<Marezz>CyberCalm, Insecure?
18:33<Marezz>CyberCalm, How exactly is it insecure?
18:34<CyberCalm>I guess to start with i could just post you the CERT advisory against webgl..
18:34<CyberCalm>one sec
18:34<Marezz>themill, Really? Debian cant have firefox 4 or latest gfx driver? I shouldnt run debian because I want it to have those things?
18:35<themill>Marezz: we've already been through this a few times today.
18:35<CyberCalm>WebGL is only one problem aswell, a fairly large one but only one
18:36<MrFrood>Marezz: we are just saying learn your way around before doing stuff that could potentially screw your system up
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18:36<themill>Marezz: [21:48:24] <themill> Marezz: iceweasel 4 is available from
18:37<Marezz>MrFrood, All I wanted was to know how to get firefox 4 and fresh fglrx, but instead of real answer i got bunch of crap questions why I want it etc...
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18:37<quant>Marezz, you were told many times how to install Iceweasel 4
18:37<MrFrood>Marezz: you have been told several times how to get iceweasel 4
18:38<themill>Marezz: and all I wanted was for you to actually read the answers you were given, instead of real comprehension I got a bunch of crap about why you didn't need to read etc...
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18:38<Marezz>MrFrood, Yes, you all keep saying that but how long it took you to actually tell me?
18:38<themill>Marezz: I gave you the answer to that question 2 hours ago
18:39<retrospectacus>Marezz: are you serious? You don't have ff4 installed *yet*??
18:39<MrFrood>Marezz: as to fglrx you need testing or unstable for the sns fglrx and you are not yet ready for that in our humble combined opinion
18:39<Marezz>before you gave me the answer for getting iceweasel 4 there was a argue why I want to use it
18:39<Marezz>and AFTER that you answered
18:39<retrospectacus>and you still haven't tried it
18:39<retrospectacus>and keep going on about it
18:39<CyberCalm>Wow... this is sad, i installed compat-wireless and the system is now not responsive... what the hell
18:40<Marezz>retrospectacus, No as Im just running deb in vbox
18:40<MrFrood>Marezz: you wer told about iceweasel 4 before the "sns crap"
18:40<retrospectacus>CyberCalm: what's that supposed to be?
18:40<CyberCalm>compat-wireless is up to date wireless drivers from
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18:40<retrospectacus>Marezz: yes
18:40<CyberCalm>theres even a debian guide for installing them
18:40<themill>Marezz: please do us a favour and start acting on suggestions rather than just ignoring us. It's boring now.
18:40<CyberCalm>its never bricked on me before, because that doesn't make sense...
18:41<themill>Marezz: and if you're running in a VM, why do you want a newer fglrx?
18:41<quant>Marezz, do you need support or do you just want to troll? we give the support that we give, like it or not
18:41<Marezz>themill, Im just trying it out before actual install
18:41<dvs>CyberCalm: I'd must rather get a newer kernel than install the compat-wireless
18:42<themill>Marezz: there's not much "trying out" going on yet... how about you ignore irc for a while and go and act on some of the advice you've been given.
18:42<CyberCalm>yeah i might try that... had to remove compat-wireless, hopefully it wont brick after this reboot
18:42<Marezz>quant, me trolling? Is it that hard to give me repo for fresh fglrx?
18:42<sret>who uses chrome here?
18:42<retrospectacus>sret: I use chromium
18:42<sret>retrospectacus: are you using 6?
18:42<ml|>chromium here as well
18:42<quant>Marezz, it could be, because I don't think that anyone here is aware of such "repo"
18:42<sret>like the version on debian is ancient or something
18:43<retrospectacus>sret: 10
18:43<sret>was trying to get something working and it said i needed chrome 11
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18:43<MrFrood>Marezz: we told you testing or unstable
18:43<sret>i installed mine from the repos
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18:43<sret>retrospectacus: you haad yours installed from the repo too?
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18:43<retrospectacus>sret: apt-get -t sid install chromium-browser
18:43<retrospectacus>yeah I use <tum>
18:43<quant>Marezz, and testing/unstable is 11.4, that's all we have to offer at the moment, 11.5 not
18:43<Marezz>MrFrood, testing? unstable? is that something I can put in software sources? really..
18:44<sret>that is weird
18:44<CyberCalm>dvs, is there a guide to do that by any chance
18:44<ml|>retrospectacus: 11.xx is available
18:44<sret>i installed from synaptic and it shows 6.0.472.63
18:44<retrospectacus>yeah mine is from sid at the time. I could upgrade
18:44<retrospectacus>but I don't have SNS so I'm ok with 10
18:44<dvs>CyberCalm: you can get a newer kernel through backports
18:44<CyberCalm>removing compat-wireless unbricked it, yayyy lol
18:44<themill>Marezz: please stop. Let's not try to solve problems that don't exist. We don't do hypotheticals in #debian.
18:44<CyberCalm>ah ok
18:44<sret>retrospectacus: where is chrome 10 in the repos?
18:45<Marezz>quant, 11.4 is fine, All I wanted to know is how to get it in squeeze without switching to testing
18:45<ml|>retrospectacus: yes, but for security updates and such
18:45<sret>all i see is 6.0.472.63
18:45<quant>sret, Squeeze has Chromium 6.0.x
18:45<retrospectacus>sret: nowhere anymore... 11 is in sid
18:45<sret>quant: no shit
18:45<CyberCalm>Might grab liquorix, i've had good luck with it in the past.
18:45<sret>how do i get chrome 10 atleast
18:45<retrospectacus>sret: /msg dpkg tum and then apt-get -t sid install chromium-browser
18:45<quant>Marezz, you don't have to switch to testing, you can just pull that from testing, but I'll let the others answer how, or you could search for it
18:46<MrFrood>Marezz: all the info was in the factoid you did not understand (you did not even understand a simple cat command) - that lack of understanding demonstrated that you are not yet ready for testing/unstable
18:46<sret>ah sid
18:46<devil>sret: 6 is at least a year back
18:46<sret>devil: thats what is in the repos
18:46<sret>and im on squeeze
18:46<devil>sret: ugh
18:46<quant>damn, chrome 10 must be so much better than firefox 4, I mean it's 6 versions higher, right? :)
18:47<retrospectacus>makes sense
18:47<sret>why do we have such an older version of chrome lying in the repos?
18:47<devil>quant: i run chrome 13
18:47<CyberCalm>does anyone still have their default ~/.bashrc
18:47<sret>we dont have anything stabler than chrome 6 at the moment?
18:47<MrFrood>quant: just stick with mosaic
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18:47<daemonkeeper>CyberCalm: You have as well.
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18:47<quant>!tell sret about releases
18:47<CyberCalm>Where is it kept?
18:47<ml|>sret: you can also grab a dev version from here, if you don't want to mess with 'tum' ...
18:48<daemonkeeper>CyberCalm: /etc/skel/.bashrc
18:48<quant>MrFrood, I got enough of that on Amiga
18:48<Marezz>MrFrood, I wont need commands as I just need few apps and thats all
18:48<CyberCalm>thanks demooriaan
18:48<CyberCalm>blah crap
18:51<sret>retrospectacus: this is still installing 6.0.472.63 when i do a -t sid
18:51<devil>sret: you need unstable in your sources
18:51<retrospectacus>sret: you set up <tum> ? what's apt-cache policy chromium-browser say?
18:53<sret>oh i have to modify my sources list, right
18:53<retrospectacus>and DO NOT FORGET to echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
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18:53<retrospectacus>otherwise it will upgrade everything to sid
18:54<retrospectacus>and we will say !pieces
18:54<MrFrood>Marezz: try asking on they tend to be a bit more foolhardy than #debian
18:54<IceGuest_75>Dear #Debian, I think broke X, and maybe some other things, because Debian doesn't successfully boot now, except from GRUBs singule user mode.
18:55<devil>IceGuest_75: after doing what?
18:55<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: which version of debian/X
18:55<quant>IceGuest_75, what release and how did you "do" it?
18:55<sret>ok sweet thanks, retrospectacus devil ml|
18:56<sret>all this because i want to try hahaha
18:56<sret>they dont support iceweasel at the moment so:P
18:56<IceGuest_75>I dont know the exact versions now that you ask, I can reboot and chec(currently using a windows parition). I was trying to get dwm to start up after login and not kdm
18:56<devil>sret: read about that today
18:56<quant>sret, Iceweasel 4 should work with that
18:56<daemonkeeper>It does, but not 3.5
18:57<sret>oh then i might as well just update iceweasell
18:57<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: cat /etc/debian_version
18:57<IceGuest_75>um, when I do use the single user mode in GRUB to get to the command line, I cant access the internet, or at least wicd and ping dont work
18:57<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: how do you start X ?
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18:58<IceGuest_75>normally its just started by default, Im not sure where. Im kinda new to the Linux thing. : [
18:59<MrFrood>gdm ?
18:59<retrospectacus>sret, you can go further and add experimental to your <tum> and then apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel
18:59<retrospectacus>to get IW4
18:59<devil>IceGuest_75: also check df -h (shows if your partition is full)
18:59<daemonkeeper>Why do you boot into the single user mode at all?
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18:59<IceGuest_75>because, currently when I try it any other way it fails and I have to restart
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19:00<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: ctrl+alt+f1 should give you a terminal
19:00<IceGuest_75>ive tried, none of them work
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19:01<IceGuest_75>The screen will change almost as if x is starting, and then itll hang, and when I switch to a new tty I just see a bunch of error messages and cant do anything
19:01<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
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19:02<IceGuest_75>what will that do?
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19:03<MrFrood>iirc stop kdm starting
19:04<IceGuest_75>Where do I put it?
19:04<MrFrood>in a terminal
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19:05<IceGuest_75>Okay, I will try. Brb.
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19:11<IceGuest_75>MrFrood: kdm isnt running
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19:14<MrFrood>ok try update-alternatives x-window-manager and update-alternatives x-session-manager
19:14<IceGuest_75>when I can get to the terminal I cant access the internet
19:15<MrFrood>and then /etc/init.d/kdm start
19:15<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: you dont need Internet for these commands
19:16<IceGuest_75>so I can do them all from the maintenance shell?
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19:16<MrFrood>I think so
19:16<MrFrood>(been a while since I had to use single user mode)
19:17<IceGuest_75>Okay, brb.
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19:22<IceGuest_75>MrFrood: Unknown arguments
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19:23<SynrG>this is a very inefficient way to help. sigh
19:23<SynrG>when that happened, you should have checked the update-alternatives man page
19:23<SynrG>'man update-alternatives'
19:23<SynrG>you might have figured out what the correct syntax is
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19:24<SynrG>update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
19:24<SynrG>update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
19:24<MrFrood>my bad - yntax wrong :(
19:24<iceguest_75__>All right, brb.
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19:30<IceGuest_75_>MrFrood: I changed the x window manager to dwm, but there was only one alternative for x session manager(startkde). And still no luck
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19:31<SynrG>so x-session-manager is not, in fact, what choses between kdm and alternatives, if that's what you intended, MrFrood
19:32<MrFrood>kdm is not really my thing - I start dwm from startx
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19:33<SynrG>when you have multiple display managers, i think just dpkg-reconfigure kdm
19:33<MrFrood>SynrG: no that is not what I intended - I hoped IceGuest_75_ would set everything back to ked to get a working system
19:33<SynrG>that should set /etc/X11/default-display-manager to whichever one you chose
19:34<SynrG>if kdm is the only one, it will be used.
19:34<SynrG>IceGuest_75_: so try just setting the window manager back to kwm or whatever the appropriate choice is for kdm
19:34<IceGuest_75_>well, i had already tried to set everything back to kde
19:34<SynrG>apparently the combination of kde + dwm is giving you grief
19:34<IceGuest_75_>it was on kwm before i changed it
19:34<SynrG>what errors are shown when it fails?
19:34<IceGuest_75_>well, i had kdm and dwm working for months
19:35<SynrG>that should have been our first question
19:35<IceGuest_75_>failure to load module dri(doesnt exist, 0)
19:35<IceGuest_75_>fatal: module fbcon not found
19:35<IceGuest_75_>some touchpad error
19:36<SynrG>how many things did you change at once? apparently not *just* dwm
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19:37<SynrG>and which release? you were asked for the output of cat /etc/debian_version. you didn't supply that.
19:37<IceGuest_75_>well, the first thing i tried to do was get multiple monitors working with dwm and xinerama, but it wasnt going so hot(but everything worked just fine still!), and then i thought it might be easier to just go straight from the login prompt to dwm(startx and whatnot)
19:37<IceGuest_75_>Im not sure how I would get it
19:37<SynrG>er? you just type the command
19:38<IceGuest_75_>how do I get it to the windows partition im on?
19:38<SynrG>it's one line. a few characters long
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19:43<IceGuest_75>I am using Debian 6.0
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19:50<SynrG>IceGuest_75: that's fine.
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19:51<SynrG>so, a step by step progression of what you did and what happened next?
19:52<IceGuest_75>1: changed my x config file(since changed it back to the original)
19:52<IceGuest_75>2: modified my rc.local(since changed it back to original)
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19:52<SynrG>when you say in "x config file", what specific file do you mean?
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19:53<SynrG>by "the original", what do you mean? squeeze tends to not need one
19:54<IceGuest_75>Im using lenny, if I remember right
19:54<SynrG>no, you are not
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19:54<SynrG>20:43 < IceGuest_75> I am using Debian 6.0
19:54<IceGuest_75>How do I check?
19:54<SynrG>that's squeeze, not lenny
19:54<MrFrood>IceGuest_75: you are using squeeze
19:54<SynrG>so you formerly used lenny and you've upgraded to squeeze, i guess
19:55<IceGuest_75>Okay, well then maybe that explains why I couldnt get multiple monitors working?
19:55<SynrG>did you fully upgrade?
19:55<IceGuest_75>Um, how would I know that?
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19:56<MrFrood>If it's showing 6.o and not 6.0.1 an update is neqded
19:57<MrFrood>SynrG: would a pastebin of IceGuest_75 sources.list help?
19:58<SynrG>it wouldn't hurt, but i'm reluctant to ask for more output at this point until we've established the recent history of this system
19:58<SynrG>given each one requires a reboot
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19:59<MrFrood>pencil it in for the next reboot?
19:59<IceGuest_75>actually, i just installed "diskinternals linux reader 2.0" so it wont now...
19:59<SynrG>IceGuest_75: what is your habit for updating packages? what do you use?
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19:59<SynrG>how often do you do this?
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20:00<IceGuest_75>apt-get update?
20:00<SynrG>i mean, how often would you 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
20:00<SynrG>and when did you last do this?
20:00<IceGuest_75>probably not as often as i should...
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20:00<IceGuest_75>maybe 1-2 months ago
20:00<SynrG>after the squeeze release, then, which was in february
20:00<SynrG>but prior to the 6.0.1 release
20:00<CcSsNET>fyi,disk internals linux reader is sllllooooooowwwww as helll
20:00<CcSsNET>try an alternative
20:00<IceGuest_75>i did
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20:01<SynrG>is wireless your primary interface?
20:01<SynrG>can you use a wired connection until X is working? it will make staying on irc & trying things & reporting them back so much easier
20:01<IceGuest_75>oh, am i dropping a lot?
20:02<SynrG>no network because you're using a graphical wireless manager that starts with your desktop
20:02<SynrG>each time you try something you're leaving irc and then coming back. i assume that's because you have to reboot back?
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20:03<SynrG>hence my comment about this being an inefficient way to help. would help if you were constantly on the network instead and not rebooting always.
20:03<IceGuest_75>is there a default cli irc client?
20:03<IceGuest_75>on debian
20:03<SynrG>irssi is considered the best
20:03<MrFrood>weechat or irssi
20:03<IceGuest_75>okay, ill go head to my router. Brb.
20:03<SynrG>also, you can install pastebinit
20:04<SynrG>this will help for pasting things to a pastebin to examine the state of your system
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20:04<IceGuest_75>will do
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20:10<SynrG>MrFrood: hope you and others can pick it up upon his return (probably under a different nick, if successful with irssi) ...
20:10<SynrG>may be putting the kids to bed by then
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20:11<SynrG>we'll need a pastebin of /etc/apt/sources.list, xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:13<IceGuest_75>there is only the loopback device in ifconfig
20:13<SynrG>anything in /etc/network/interfaces?
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20:13<SynrG>sounds like you're wholly managing both network interfaces with wicd
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20:14<SynrG>iface eth0 inet dhcp
20:14<SynrG>^^ that would help
20:14<SynrG>oh. are you still booting to single?
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20:14<SynrG>that's the other possible explanation
20:15<IceGuest_75>but there isnt much in /etc/network/interfaces
20:15<IceGuest_75>and I pretty much exclusively use wicd for everything
20:16<SynrG>if there's no eth0 clause, you'll need one if you're not starting wicd
20:16<IceGuest_75>How would I do that?
20:16<SynrG>you can remove it afterwards if you want wicd to manage eth0
20:16<SynrG>i just said so above
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20:17<SynrG>i guess even in single, /etc/init.d/networking runs
20:17<SynrG>but it's not going to do anything unless /etc/network/interfaces has a clause to bring up eth0
20:17<SynrG>you probably also want:
20:17<SynrG>auto eth0
20:17<SynrG>or allow-hotplug eth0
20:18<SynrG>hm, for a laptop, the latter is better.
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20:18<sney>I always default to allow-hotplug even if it's physically impossible
20:18<IceGuest_75>okay, so i add it with iface eth0 inet dhcp, then what does allow-hotplug eth0 do?
20:19<SynrG>it says when the device is plugged in, initialize it
20:19<IceGuest_75>okie dokie, brb
20:19<SynrG>by plugged in, i mean 'powered up'
20:19<sney>this also applies to hardware switches that can turn the net on and off
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20:22*sney reads the backlog
20:22<sney>hmm, I wonder how likely it is that this guy had "stable" in his sources.list
20:23<SynrG>that's what i figure
20:23<CyberCalm>Can anyone point me in the right direction to figure out how to install a new kernel from backports
20:23<SynrG>also, if he was unaware of the upgrade from lenny->squeeze, i have no idea what state his xorg.conf is in now
20:23<sney>!backport kernel
20:23<CyberCalm>I've never had to deal with backports before, but i'd rather try a new kernel from debian than a third party to start with
20:23<sney>!squeeze backports
20:23<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
20:24<SynrG>sney: and we still haven't seen the exact messages for the X failure. that will be illuminating
20:24<CyberCalm>!bdo kernel
20:24<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
20:24<sney>those are the instructions to enable backports. Once it's enabled, it works just like installing anything else.
20:24<CyberCalm>Except if you do an upgrade it doesn't pull from backports
20:24<SynrG>everything you install from backports must be specifically requested, yes
20:24<sney>right, unless it's an update to something you already installed from backports.
20:25*SynrG nods
20:25<CyberCalm>Thanks everyone
20:25<sney>You probably also know that when you install a new kernel, it doesn't remove your old one.
20:25<sney>Just adds another grub option.
20:25<CyberCalm>Thank god lol, ive had so many kernels break >.<
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20:26<SynrG>CyberCalm: what problem(s) are you trying to solve with a kernel upgrade?
20:26<CyberCalm>the ath9k driver doesn't work well in the kernel thats in debian by default, normally i just install compat-wireless but that caused me issues, so im upgrading the kernel
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20:27<SynrG>i'm happy with ath9k with 2.6.39-rc7 currently :)
20:27<CyberCalm>Yeah, thats not default though
20:27<sney>better than .38?
20:27<sney>.35 isn't the default either
20:28<CyberCalm>Thats what i ended up with after install..
20:28<SynrG>sney: ya, there were some kernel panics throughout the .38 upgrades
20:28<sney>where did your installer come from? You should just have 2.6.32-6 iirc
20:28<sney>judd: kernels
20:28<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
20:28<CyberCalm>it came from debian lol
20:28<CyberCalm>whoops, i totally displayed the kernel of the wrong box
20:29<sney>weird. anyway, whatever happened there, 2.6.38 from backports will be an improvement
20:29<CyberCalm><3 forgetting im sshed
20:29<sney>ah :)
20:29<SynrG>sney: that *may* be fixed in the latest 2.6.38 in wheezy/sid, dunno
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20:29<SynrG>CyberCalm: yeah, you just showed us an ubuntu kernel :)
20:29<fabzor3>I still cant get sound working
20:29<fabzor3>plz halp
20:30<CyberCalm>Sorry :P I always forget when im working between boxes
20:30<SynrG>fabzor3: details
20:30<fabzor3>well i see the actualt device when I look in gnome mixer
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20:30<fabzor3>and I can select the device but I have no idea how to set it as default
20:31<IceGuest_75>I must have done something wrong, eth0 still didnt show up in ifconfig
20:31<CyberCalm>Just so i dont screw anything up with this part since im not used to backports... does this look right: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
20:31<sney>looks good to me
20:31<sney>(provided you are on amd64)
20:32<CyberCalm>yepp, im not new to linux luckily, i'm just trying to understand debian a bit better :)
20:32<SynrG>IceGuest_75: if you only just edited /etc/network/interfaces to add 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' and 'allow-hotplug eth0' (on separate lines) then it should come up on the next reboot, or else:
20:32<SynrG>ifup eth0
20:33<IceGuest_75>all right, ill go check.
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20:34<SynrG>fabzor3: i'm not familiar with gnome enough to know a "gnomish" way to do that ...
20:34<SynrG>but specifying it in your ~/.asoundrc might help
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20:35<SynrG>the also web site should have info on that
20:35<fabzor3>ahh yes
20:35<fabzor3>i think i had the same problem with arch
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20:35<sney>you can see /proc/asound/cards to know which cards are which
20:35<fabzor3>SynrG, thanks :D
20:36<fabzor3>yeah I have one SB and one HDMI, thier both hda intel
20:36<fabzor3>and thats pretty crazy considering this and AMD Laptop
20:36<SynrG>if they're neither of them USB devices ...
20:36<sney>intel hda is just a widely used standard these days. they're probably realtek chips
20:36<SynrG>you may be able to specify in /etc/modprobe.d/ some card# when the modules are loaded
20:36<fabzor3>nah ones audio through hdmi cable and the other ones my regular card
20:37<SynrG>making the preferred default card be card0
20:37<SynrG>then you don't have to mess with asoundrc
20:37<fabzor3>yeah I think its a realtek
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20:39<SynrG>mhm. like my eeepc, hda_intel, Realtek ALC269
20:39<fabzor3>my netbook works fine
20:40<fabzor3>probably because it doesnt have any wierd hdmi action going on like this laptop
20:40<sney>something should probably be done about not letting hdmi sound devices take the default automatically
20:40<SynrG>anyway, so long as they come up in a predictable order, just flip them around in ~/.asoundrc (or the system-wide equivalent. i forget the name)
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20:41<fabzor3>thanks I will
20:41<ar>hi, I am new to irc but not new to Debian (follower since ~1998)
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20:42<SynrG>ar: greetings. got a support question, then?
20:42<fabzor3>hello ar
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20:42<IceGuest_75>SynrG: still no luck, eth0 doesnt show up before or after ifup eth0
20:43<SynrG>would be nice to know what your /etc/network/interfaces looks like, then
20:43<SynrG>also, does wicd come up? i think it has a backend component that starts at boot
20:43<SynrG>i don't know what happens if wicd thinks it is still managing eth0 :p
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20:43<SynrG>maybe /etc/init.d/wicd stop
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20:43<SynrG>then ifup eth0
20:44<IceGuest_75>it doesnt start until after i exit form the maintenance shell
20:44<SynrG>the ifup doesn't give you errors, though?
20:44<IceGuest_75>it does, it says the device doesnt exist
20:44<SynrG>that sounds like your /etc/network/interfaces is wrong
20:44<fabzor3>SynrG, I cannot locate asound.conf?
20:44<SynrG>something like:
20:44<SynrG>Ignoring unknown interface foo=foo.
20:45<SynrG>fabzor3: you probably don't have one. i don't think it's needed.
20:45<fabzor3>okay then
20:45<sney>fabzor3: typically if config files like that would be empty, the system doesn't include them in a default install.
20:45<SynrG>so just create one in the appropriate location (/etc/alsa/asound.conf maybe?)
20:45<SynrG>or ...
20:46<SynrG>it's unclear
20:46<IceGuest_75>SynrG: yes, eth0=eth0
20:46<sney>IceGuest_75: also take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and make sure the definition for eth0 there matches what you think it should
20:46<IceGuest_75> is my interaces
20:46<sney>you can pastebin that file if you want
20:47<SynrG>IceGuest_75: right, so you still don't have /etc/network/interfaces set up properly, i think
20:47<sney>it looks ok to me. well, maybe the allow-hotplug statement should be first
20:47<SynrG>the error "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0" means ifup couldn't find the interfaces in your /etc/network/interfaces
20:47<ar>I am installing squeeze on a Dell Latitude CPt. At menupoint detect hardware the pcmcia network card (3 different ones) and a usb network stick are detected ok. I get the error: kernel: ... ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link not ready.
20:48<sney>I remember the CPt, isn't it P3-celeron, giant behemoth of a thing?
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20:49<sney>ar: is there only one wireless adapter connected?
20:49<SynrG>s/the interfaces/the interface/ bleh
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20:49<ar>yes only one at a time
20:49<IceGuest_75>SynrG: persistent net rules
20:50<CyberCalm>Does anyone here run xflux? I had it running under debian testing but im getting the error " cannot open shared object file"
20:50<CyberCalm>however i have libxxf86vm1 installed
20:50<SynrG>ar: and no internal wireless?
20:51<ar>no the machine is too old for that
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20:51<SynrG>IceGuest_75: oh!
20:52<SynrG>IceGuest_75: is the usb device attached? the one it says is eth0
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20:52<ar>the right driver are found for each one
20:52<SynrG>IceGuest_75: also:
20:52<dpkg>[tg3] the driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 chipset or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
20:53<IceGuest_75>theres no usb device attached at the moment
20:53<SynrG>IceGuest_75: if that's what's built in, i guess you need to say 'eth1', not 'eth0'
20:53<IceGuest_75>it is
20:53<SynrG>you could also flip them around if you want it to be called eth0
20:53<ar>at present I don't have a pcmcia card for wired net, otherwise I would have tried that
20:54<sney>iirc that laptop didn't even have a built in modem
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20:55<HardwareFreak>I grabbed from yesterday and rolled a kernel using 'make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.1.0 deb-pkg'. I ended up with a headers file and a libc-dev. I've been rolling my own kernels for many years and I've never ended up with anything but a single kernel package. I don't use initrd nor module support. Why do I suddenly have headers and libc-dev files generated by the make script?
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20:56<sney>ar: I have a laptop that uses pcmcia wireless, and it never inits the nic on the first try, I always have to do it manually (currently: /etc/rc.local) it's a bit of an old laptop, not quite as old as yours, but maybe it's the same problem. Try going to the console after it says "link is not ready" and the dhcp fails, and just do it again
20:56<SynrG>ichdasich: good luck. i have to head to bed
20:56<nevyn>HardwareFreak: you used make-kpkg?
20:56<SynrG>ichdasich: apologies. tab-completed while reading the backlog
20:56<fabzor3>thanks for your help SynrG
20:56<fabzor3>night night
20:56<nevyn>HardwareFreak: you don't use modules at all?
20:57<CyberCalm>No one uses xflux? :(
20:57<SynrG>fabzor3: gnite
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20:57<sney>CyberCalm: I use it on my eeepc but I didn't have that issue. you're probably just missing a library, though. have you tried looking for that file with apt-file search?
20:58<HardwareFreak>nevyn: no I used the new Debian recommended ''make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.1.0 deb-pkg'. I do not use modules, disabled it in menuconfig.
20:59<nevyn>HardwareFreak: how do you use hotplugable stuff without modules?
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20:59<nevyn>maybe my use case is vastly different from yours.
20:59<HardwareFreak>nevyn: headless server
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21:00<HardwareFreak>nevyn: I'm just wondering what the headers and libc-dev files are used for, and it's ok to go ahead and install the kernel package.
21:01<nevyn>the libc-dev stuff is odd never seen that.
21:01<nevyn>maybe it is literally libc-dev stuff.
21:01<nevyn>like kernel headers to build libc against
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21:02<ar>I have done this many times, autoconfigure, manual configuration with open wireless lan ie no wep
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21:02<hi>can anyone please tell me why bactrack has crashed
21:03<HardwareFreak>nevyn: could it be due to building 2.6.38 on Squeeze, which ships with libraries built against 2.6.32?
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21:04<ar>one possible reason is indicated by the installer: dhcp server may be to slow, but this should not be the reason with sisco wifi router.
21:05<ar>I have tested all adapters on a different pc and they all work
21:06<sney>ar: did you try bringing the adapter up manually from the console after it fails the first time?
21:06<ar>how do I do that
21:07<sney>ctrl-alt-f4 will bring you to a prompt from the installer
21:07<sney>then just something like ifconfig wlan0 up
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21:11<ar>sorry, I know how to use the common tasks on a installed system, what I have problems with is the limited number of programs available during install. No ifconfig that I can find
21:13<ar>there is netcfg
21:13<sney>is there 'ip'?
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21:16<ar>yes ip is there, I should proabably read the man page
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21:24<ar>sney: understanding 'ip' will have to wait, local time is 3:23 AM, the small grey cells are quitting. Thank you very much.
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21:24<IceGuest_75>SynrG: uh, so, i got wee chat installed, but then I think I got banned somehow
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21:26<CyberCalm>\o/ debian laptop 100% setup, thanks for the help everyone
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21:40<IceGuest_75>Okay, So, when I start up Debian, it usually fails along the way and I cant even get to a tty. But I can get to the maintenance shell
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21:49<LaptCalm>uhm, question. If i want to get the backports version of pidgin, how would i go about doing this? or is it even available in backports lol
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21:49<LaptCalm>the version thats installed in squeeze is really old and has a lot of various bugs with various protocols
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21:50<quant>LaptCalm, and search for it, I don't think it's there
21:51<quant>LaptCalm, btw, I'm using the version that comes with squeeze and it's working well here
21:52<LaptCalm>Ohh? I guess its been patched.. that version and multiple after it were updated -because- some protocols had bugs
21:52*LaptCalm shrugs
21:52<LaptCalm>i will try it out
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21:52<quant>LaptCalm, I can help with ICQ protocol, if that's your trouble
21:52<LaptCalm>naw i dont use ICQ
21:53<LaptCalm>I just remember seeing certain updates coming through saying that it was being updated because msn broke or aim was having login issues stuff like that
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21:53<quant>LaptCalm, hm, what exactly is the problem you're getting with 2.7.3?
21:54<nevyn>ICQ for that whole people as numbers thing (you'd think a bunch of israli's would know better) uin 2556727
21:54<LaptCalm>.. none, i just said i would try it out. Just as i said, i know versions past 2.7.3 were important
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21:54<quant>LaptCalm, try 2.7.3 and you might find it working perfectly :) you may not, on the other hand... try
21:55<LaptCalm>yep :)
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22:17<IceGuest_75>Could missing the modules dri or fbcon cause me to be unable to start debian?
22:20<sney>no, it'd work without those
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22:25<IceGuest_75>do you suppose it could be from bad mouse drivers?
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22:27<sney>I'll have no idea until I see an error message
22:27<IceGuest_75>would my xorg.0.log work?
22:28<sney>also, just for kicks, can I see your sources.list?
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22:32<sney>well, I see the problem that started this
22:32<sney>see in your sources.list where you have 2 uncommented entries for 'stable'?
22:33<sney>when the new stable, Squeeze, was released, your system tried to just jump from lenny to squeeze without any preparation
22:33<sney>frankly I'm surprised it boots at all
22:33<IceGuest_75>: [
22:33<IceGuest_75>it no longer does
22:34<IceGuest_75>but it was a few hours ago
22:34<IceGuest_75>and i didnt install any new packages since
22:34<IceGuest_75>i think
22:34<sney>best advice right now? back up your /home directory and reinstall
22:34<IceGuest_75>: [
22:34<sney>it might be fixable but it'd take a lot of work. reinstall is faster. next time, use codenames in sources.list
22:35<sney>i.e. lenny, squeeze, wheezy, etc
22:35<sney>so when "stable" becomes something else, you're not dragged along for the ride
22:35<IceGuest_75>i see
22:36<IceGuest_75>so then, when i reinstall, is there my home wont be destroyed?
22:36<IceGuest_75>is there a chance*
22:36<aussa>hi, I installed visual studio 2010 in a win7 vm with virtualbox in debian 64 as host, but it doesn't work, tries to load, but never does... any advice?
22:36<akerl>IceGuest_75: You want to back it up...
22:36<akerl>aussa: Don't use Visual Studio?
22:36<aussa>have to
22:37<aussa>is to compile some project
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22:37<akerl>aussa: More realistically, anything going on inside virtualbox has very little to do with the host, and very much to do with a bunch of other factors
22:37<akerl>1) how well the OS plays with being a guest, 2) how well the software plays with being virtual, etc etc
22:38<sney>IceGuest_75: that's why I said to back up your /home directory, copy it onto another hd or a usb drive or something
22:38<IceGuest_75>okay, how should i reinstall? from a live disc?
22:39<akerl>IceGuest_75: From the standard debian install iso.
22:39<aussa>ok, I know it has nothing to do with debian... but I wanted to know if you had a solution for this
22:39<aussa>in the vbox channel nobody answers
22:39<akerl>Did you try calling Microsoft? :p
22:40<akerl>You're going to need more substantial debug info than "it doesn't load" for anyone to diagnose your issue, and regardless, this is the debian channel
22:42<aussa>ok, thank you
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23:00<IceGuest_75>i can get away with just like, the first two dvds, right?
23:00<CyberCalm>can get away with the first 1
23:00<IceGuest_75>is there a way to just use apt?
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23:04<nlewycky>why does gcc not use the alternatives system to pick gcc versions?
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