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00:39<shobha>folks, need some help about apt. I am preparing a debian system for my wife and I want all recommended/suggested packages to get installed. However, I realized this almost at the end. Now I have whole of kde, multimedia, internet etc packages installed.
00:39<shobha>I have added APT::Install-Suggests "true"; to apt.conf.
00:40<shobha>it will make sure that suggested packages get installed in the future, but how about suggested packages for the packages which are already installed
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00:40<shobha>any suggestion, how can i install suggested packages for already installed packages
00:41<sney>I'd start by reading the man page for aptitude
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00:43<shobha><sney> hmmm, let me do that right away.
00:43<sney>aptitude is really powerful so if anything can...
00:43<chl501>I notice in my auth.log.* contains message `sshd[2486]: refused connect' where xxx is a foreign address, but I never ssh to that address. Is there any chance to check if anything may go wrong for my system e.g. security?
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00:44<akerl>chl501: 1) Do you use ssh to connect to this device?
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00:45<chl501>akerl: which device?
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00:45<akerl>The device which has those error log lines...
00:46<chl501>I download (via sftp) the log from that machine, which contains auth.log.*.gz files.
00:47<akerl>So yes.
00:47<akerl>2) Are you using ssh-keys with passwords disabled?
00:47<chl501>no, i need to ssh using password.
00:47<akerl>You should fix that.
00:48<chl501>why? shouldn't password be enabled?
00:48<akerl>If you're using ssh keys (assuming your keys are reasonably strong and you protect them appropriately), you can safely ignore and "refused connect" lines, because nobody will be cracking your key anytime this decade.
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00:49<akerl>chl501: ssh keys are orders of magnitude more secure than passwords, plus they're simpler to use once they're configured.
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00:49<chl501>ok. i see. it means that i need to use ssh key instead of password. am i correct?
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00:50<akerl>And modify the sshd_config on the server to disallow password auth
00:50<chl501>i see. thank you for pointing me to this. : )
00:51<dominick>Hi! Is there a way to specify stable and unstable repos in my /etc/apt/sources.list and then specify a way to install an application from the repo of our choice?
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00:52<dominick>Please ignor my grammar
00:52<sney>dominick: don't mix stable and unstable. if you want to use stable and have other software available, see backports.
00:52<craigevil>dominick, sure if you want to totally mess up your system, if not use backports
00:52<dominick>sney: I wanted the latest version of vlc. It's not available in bpo
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00:53<sney>dominick: is it available in dmm?
00:53<craigevil>vlv isnt in dmm, its in the normal debian repos
00:53<sney>I thought I remembered it being in both
00:53<sney>like mplayer
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00:54<sney>hmm, guess not
00:54<craigevil> Installed: 1.1.9-1
00:54<craigevil> Candidate: 1.1.9-1
00:54<craigevil> unstable/main i386 Packages
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00:54<sney>dominick: is there some feature missing in the vlc included with Squeeze?
00:55<dominick>sney: I was trying to stream the video, but wasn't able to. The documentation refers to a later version.
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00:55<craigevil>whoops that was one line in xchat
00:55<dominick>sney: can you help me with that?
00:55<sney>hm, I've never been able to stream video with vlc
00:55<adalberto>streaming improvments and rmvb support improvments
00:55<dominick>sney: I was, on windows... with a later version.
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00:57<sney>well, the dependency list for vlc is pretty short, so it might be ssb-able
00:57<dominick>craigevil: I which is that repo?
00:57<sney>craigevil is probably just using sid
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00:57<sney>or a testing-unstable mix, maybe
00:57<dominick>craigevil: is it better than debian unstable?
00:57<sney>that *is* debian unstable.
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00:58<dominick>I guess I'm going to download the deb from debian unstable packages... But I guess dependencies would be a problem then.
00:58<sney>dominick: depending on how important this system is to you, you could upgrade to testing... when you're using testing, it's pretty safe to install some packages from unstable. but testing is not a reliable thing yet, too new
00:59<sney>yeah, it won't work, sid is too far ahead again afaik
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00:59<craigevil>,versions vlc
00:59<judd>Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze5; wheezy: 1.1.7-3; sid: 1.1.9-1
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01:00<sney>the version on wheezy (testing) might be new enough too, I don't know
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01:01<dominick>okay, testing has 1.1.7 and unstable the latest 1.1.9. Has anyone here been able to stream video with either of these versions?
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01:05<MrFrood>update-alternativesf ??? | install media? ???@debhelper
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01:08<sney>MrFrood: are you having a gopher-induced siezure?
01:13<dominick>Okay. I now have another problem. I decided to use the vlc's debian unstable repo for once to install the latest version. I used the repo deb sid main
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01:14<dominick>but now, aptitude show vlc shows the version as 0.7.0.
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01:14<dominick>is something wrong?
01:14<sney>if you run vlc, and go to the help/about menu item, that's the version that you should care about with regards to howtos
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01:16<jm_>that's the version on and it's from 2004 so ...
01:16<sney>so dominick just downgraded. hilarious
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01:17<craigevil>just backport the version you want
01:17<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
01:18<dominick>sney: I was sensible enough to check the aptitude show vlc first... :P
01:18<sney>dominick: sometimes 3rd party packages have funky apt information
01:19<dominick>craigevil: so you're asking me to compile the package... Is that different from downloading an already compiled version from unstable repos?
01:19<sney>dominick: yes, because it'll compile against the libs you have, instead of the libs you'd otherwise need from unstable
01:19<craigevil>yes it will build for the release you are using
01:20<dominick>sney: thus not requiring the latest libs from the unstable repos... cool! I'll give it a try!
01:22<jm_>it will require those if they are listed as source dependencies - that is when it is no longer trivial
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01:29<dominick>guys, but isn't backports unofficial?
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01:29<craigevil>nope not since squeeze
01:29<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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02:14<gul>MrFrood: what happened?
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02:19<krishna>hi all
02:19<gul>from where?
02:20<gul>i mean which state?
02:21<gul>me in maharastra
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02:21<gul>using debian?
02:22<krishna>yaaa.. ubuntu Natty currently
02:22<gul> too
02:24<krishna>ur graduate?
02:25<gul>currently doing biotech
02:26<krishna>im done wt btech
02:26<gul>one is from research and another is from application field
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02:27<krishna>du u use python for biotech apps
02:27<gul>not yet........
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02:27<gul>we don't have that subject
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02:27<gul>I want to do it.......
02:28<gul>py is gud for scientific purposes
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02:28<gul>go to go
02:28<krishna>yaa.. correct
02:28<gul>meet later
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02:49<chl501>I check the sshd_config and notice that PubkeyAuthentication is already been set to yes. But when ssh user@host, I still can type password for login. Does this mean interactive mode is still active? Or what how can I disable ssh interactive mode?
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02:51<Arrowmaster>set password and challengeresponse to no
02:51<jm_>chl501: sure, the default for PasswordAuthentication is "yes"
02:51<jm_>and ChallengeResponseAuthentication
02:52<jm_>I suppose on Debian it's this later one that applies
02:52<jm_>latter even
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02:54<chl501>I just notice that my setting PasswordAuthentication is commented out (#PasswordAuthentication yes) and ChallengeResponseAuthentication no. Does it mean the ssh login is only allow by key?
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04:48<patryk>I have a problem with bypassing httsp with squid. Https pages loading to infinity. When I redirect 443 port to squid proxy webbrowser shows me an error: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long
04:49<patryk>I think is something with routing, but I dont know what could be wrong
04:50<MrFrood>patryk: have you tried #squid on
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04:53<patryk>MrFrood: No, but I think it's not squid fault. I'd try to replace current server with clean one without squid only with same routing (without redirecting 80 port to squid), and I have the same probles
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05:03<dominick>Is there a software in the debian repos that can be used for creating small animations for software demonstration purposes?
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05:11<ferni>like recordmydesktop ?
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05:13<jm_>dominick: animations of what?
05:14<dominick>jm_: to demonstrate illustrations of the working of a system.
05:16<jm_>dominick: if by that you mean to record what you see on your monitor, see above (and also apt-cache search screencast), there's also xvidcap, but if you mean to create your own animations there's software for that too
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05:17<dominick>jm_: No! I'm a software developer, and need it to create animations during the requirements stage, demonstrating the requirements, and how the system is anticipated to work.
05:18<jm_>dominick: several tools for creating animations exist in debian
05:18<dominick>jm_: such as... (simple ones please)
05:19<th>for example: you can draw each frame and combine it into a single animated GIF file using imagemagick
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05:19<th>i think that's a simple tool
05:20<dominick>th: can't spend so much time on one animation as they are prone to change...
05:20<jm_>dominick: search for vector animation
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05:22<dominick>jm_: thanks... I found synfig... will check it out.
05:22<jm_>ktoon is another one I found
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05:24<dominick>jm_: ktoon seems like a lot of drawing...
05:24<th> impress
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05:27<patryk>I cant access https websites on clean system. I have only setup routing and dhcp server
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05:28<dominick>th: impress isn't bad. I'm considering other options though... which would help me reduce complexity that comes with timing in it.
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05:48<dominick>jm_: something like this:
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05:49<jm_>dominick: looks like oo impress type anim to me
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06:00<dominick>jm_: Hey! Synfig turns out perfect for me... It even has a stage and camera panning features...
06:00<dominick>synfigstudio I mean.
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06:00<jm_>dominick: good, might as well remember this if I'll ever need it
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06:08<The_Seeker>what's the equivalent of vga=791 using grub2, i.e. which file do I go about editing?
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06:09<jm_>The_Seeker: set gfxpayload=1024x768x16
06:09<jm_>oh well
06:09<jm_>actually it's not x16 I guess
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06:10<Carl>plymouth with propietary Nvidia driver?
06:10<jm_>probably x24 then, but for me this doesn't work, have to use linux16 instead
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06:10<jaim>how do i kill a dormant process?
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06:11<petemc>what state is it in?
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06:11<Carl>killall ?
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06:11<jaim>it can't be killed in any way
06:11<petemc>is it in D state?
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06:11<jaim>and it's "reattached" to ppid 1
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06:11<jaim>yes... but actually i thought that was what D meant
06:12<petemc>jaim: wait it out or reboot
06:12<JohnnyDoe>My debian is screwed in a major way since yesterday. I'm on testing and did dist-upgrade yesterday. Now I can't boot anymore. As soon as it tries to start X the whole machine freezes.
06:13<JohnnyDoe>What can I do? I tried the recovery mode (boot with single parameter) but it still freezes with a blank screen.
06:13<jaim>petemc: i've waited for one day now. is there no other way to tell the kernel to get rid of it?
06:13<Carl>JohnnyDoe: You can reinstall again
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06:14<JohnnyDoe>I used to do that when I had Windows 95.
06:14<Carl>@JohnnyDoe: You'd better not to upgrade to Sid
06:14<adb>reinstall stable
06:14<CcSsNET>JohnnyDoe, why would recovery mode be booting xorg?
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06:15<JohnnyDoe>I don't know. The machine just freezes after I enter the encryption passphrase for the LVM.
06:15<JohnnyDoe>it displays some boot messages and then just goes blank and freezes.
06:15<Carl>No error msgs anymore?
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06:16<grove>JohnnyDoe: But when you boot normally it gets to start X before freezing?
06:16<jaim>petemc: any idea why these things happen (which may help prevent them)?
06:16<JohnnyDoe>possibly...I see the boot messages and then, about the time it normally started X, it just blanks and doesnt respond anymore
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06:16<petemc>jaim: its usually waiting for io
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06:16<Carl>I have the same problem
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06:17<Carl>I installed Squeeze and apt-get dist-upgrade
06:17<Carl>It works great
06:17<jaim>petemc: yeah. the process is lsof. :)
06:18<jm_>lsof typically gets stuck when other processes are stuck, never seen it get stuck on its own
06:18<JohnnyDoe>maybe it has something to do with the fglrx package that was included in yesterdays update. The machine was running testing all the time and I did update about once a week so there were not too many chances yesterday.
06:18<jm_>boot with init=/bin/bash and try to remove fglrx then
06:18<jaim>petemc: then is there any way to make hibernation not depend on capability to freeze such processes? how can i make hibernation ignore these processes?
06:19<jaim>jm_: maybe it got stuck because i played with some fuse
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06:20<CcSsNET>unlikely fuse is actually required for booting
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06:20<CcSsNET>i dont use fuse personally (non debian though)
06:20<jm_>jaim: could be yes, remote file systems are typically responsible for processes in the D state
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06:21<jaim>jm_: is it possible to make hibernation ignore these processes?
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06:21<jm_>jaim: not to my knowledge
06:22<jaim>thank you
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06:22<jm_>no worries
06:22<jaim>and you too petemc :)
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06:24<mercutio22>I am trying to set up my pc as the local network firewall using firestarter. I currently have this topology: cable modem --> PC --> wireless router (WAN port). When I try to start the firewall firestarter complains says the device eth4 is not active.
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06:27<zem>mercutio22: is eth4 down?
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06:29<CcSsNET>mercutio22, u might want to look at ClearOS
06:29<CcSsNET>its more suited for this goal ^
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06:31<Iridos>ignore that
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06:36<grummund>Hi, can anyone point me to an explanation of the .NNNN appended to symbols by gcc? (as viewed with nm -lS)
06:37<patryk>I cant access https sites. I have squid but 443 port is bypassed. Can anyone help me?
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06:38<SynrG>mercutio22: anything in dmesg about eth4? have you tested the interface without the firewall started?
06:38<ioriveur>Every sites?
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06:39<patryk>I cant search conntact with skype too.
06:40<SynrG>CcSsNET: an odd thing to be recommending on #debian that people use something else. i don't see that debian is particularly ill-suited to mercutio22's purposes, nor that the problems he has encountered would magically vanish if he used something else
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06:40<CcSsNET>well it is debian based
06:40<CcSsNET>not like i recommended to use something redhat based
06:41<mercutio22>SynrG: yeah, there's something fishy in dmesg. I had to quickly redo the network setup because someone here need the internet. I have to wait a moment before I can continue this
06:41<SynrG>ah. k
06:41<patryk>When I pass https traffic trough squid and try enter https website, web browser shows an error ssl_error_rx_record_too_long
06:42<SynrG>CcSsNET: i assume that people are here because they deliberately chose to use debian over the alternatives, though, not out of ignorance of better alternatives.
06:42*CcSsNET well if this is a game of poker. i fold
06:42<JohnnyDoe>what's fuse for?
06:42<patryk>On clean system (only with configured dhcp server and routing) is the same...
06:43<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: implementing filesystems in userspace
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06:43<SynrG>!tell JohnnyDoe about fuse
06:43<CcSsNET>would u like a filesystem with that filesystem?
06:43<JohnnyDoe>SynrG, does Debian need it for running a fresh install? Is it neccessary for anything?
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06:43<SynrG>it is convenient if you have to deal with ntfs
06:43<JohnnyDoe>no I just found out that the last error message in my system before it freezes is 'fuse init'
06:43<SynrG>it has other uses. sshfs, for one.
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06:44<SynrG>it's possible the freeze has nothing to do with fuse, but rather with whatever follows it
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06:44<JohnnyDoe>that's true. I removed all fglrx files now and disabled fuse in the init. How do I know what comes right after fuse in init?
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06:45<CcSsNET>fuse should not be relied on by anything
06:45<jm_>ls -l /etc/rc2.d
06:45<SynrG>it used to be this was just a matter of looking at the sequence numbers in the appropriate runlevel, but with dependency-based init, i don't know
06:45<SynrG>jm_: ^^
06:46<SynrG>i have not heard that fuse is unreliable. my understanding is that ntfs-3g, which is fuse-based, is production-ready
06:47<jm_>SynrG: it still applies, it starts things with the same number in parallel AFAIU
06:47<JohnnyDoe>seems like it's not the fault of fuse :(
06:47<SynrG>jm_: ah
06:47<patryk>I cant access https sites. I have squid but 443 port is bypassed. Can anyone help me?
06:48<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: can you boot to single without freezing?
06:48<JohnnyDoe>only init=/bin/bash work
06:48<CcSsNET>ive never needed fuse for ntfs-3g use
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06:50<SynrG>CcSsNET: i guess you've simply been unaware that fuse modules are used by it.
06:50<CcSsNET>which modules? ill go check for them
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06:51<SynrG>how about reading the package description
06:51<CcSsNET>o so this is a debian specific implimentation?
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06:53<CcSsNET>i dont intend to troll. my only goal is to make people aware of configurations
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06:56<JohnnyDoe>wow I got a login
06:57<JohnnyDoe>culprit: wlan driver
06:57<JohnnyDoe>thank you very much for the help
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06:59<JohnnyDoe>yes it immediately crashes the system and goes blank screen as soon as I type /etc/init.d/networking start
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07:01<SynrG>CcSsNET: i don't think you're trolling. i just think you're wrong. the package says it uses FUSE. the onus of proof is on you to demonstrate it is otherwise. if you find it actually doesn't use FUSE, please file a bug on the incorrect package description.
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07:02<SynrG>CcSsNET: you also made an unsubstantiated claim about the unreliability of fuse. if you intended to make a useful contribution to the support session in question, you should back up such claims with evidence
07:02<SynrG>(rather a moot point now, though, having ruled out fuse as the issue)
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07:03<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: which driver, incidentally?
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07:03<JohnnyDoe>Broadcom BCM4313 is the device
07:04<CcSsNET>well i dont beleive slitaz linux livecd has fuse installed. it does have ntfs-3g, i will boot that and investigate at some point today
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07:05<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: using the free driver or vendor driver?
07:06<SynrG>CcSsNET: fuse isn't something you need to install, iirc. it's just built in, standard, in most major distros in the kernel
07:06<JohnnyDoe>I don't know. I have non-free in the repositories but never installed a vendor driver and as far as I remember also didn't build or install any additional driver for broadcom so I guess it's the standard kernel one.
07:06<SynrG>did you install the associated non-free firmware required by the device?
07:06<SynrG>firmware-brcm80211 i believe
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07:07<JohnnyDoe>I also don't remember but the device worked for half a year since yesterday on the same installation of Debian :p so I guess yes,it was installed if it is required for operation
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07:08<CcSsNET>debian has been in the process of removing non-free firmwares from default install
07:08<SynrG>good point
07:09<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: check for presence of that package
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07:10<JohnnyDoe>firmware-brcm80211 is installed according to aptitude
07:10<SynrG>so the prior failures left no log evidence as to what went wrong?
07:10<CcSsNET>ok SynrG, i use sourcemage gnu/linux
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07:11<CcSsNET>im compiling ntfs-3g right now. it does list fuse specificly as optional. and thus i am not using it currently for ntfs-3g
07:11<CcSsNET>and its the only optional depend for it
07:12<JohnnyDoe>I found some error messages
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07:13<JohnnyDoe>it said 'cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domains' hundreds of times, then a bigger error message with 'cut here' header that refers to Warnings and shows a call trace of mac80211/tx.c
07:14<th>fuse utils can be optional, but libfuse... can't be.... yes, i've developed a funky fs using fuse and i'm certain that ntfs-3g is using fuse
07:14<JohnnyDoe>Pid: 1988, comm: kworker/u:2 Tainted: P C 0 2.6.28-2-amd64 #1
07:14<SynrG>the first message is normal and harmless. the call trace is worrying
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07:14<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: 2.6.28? humm ...
07:14<SynrG>uname -r
07:15<JohnnyDoe>sorry 38
07:15<CcSsNET>i asure you i have nothing fuse installed
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07:15<JohnnyDoe>I typed it in here because I am on another machine and obviously networking doesn't work ;)
07:15<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: if you're using wheezy, the discussion should really go to #debian-next
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07:15<CcSsNET>give me a specific libary to search ill see if its in /lib /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib
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07:16<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: do you really need the newer kernel? if not, does reverting to 2.6.32 solve the issue?
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07:16<JohnnyDoe>it doesn't for some reason unknown to me
07:16<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: er, wheezy or sid, actualyl
07:17<SynrG>actually, actually
07:17<CcSsNET>i really hope no one uses 2.6.32 or older anymore
07:17<CcSsNET>they have root vulns.
07:17<JohnnyDoe>I tried booting the 32 kernel before and also with single, same problem
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07:19<CcSsNET>well bbl good luck all. PM me if u find a library to search for related to fuse.
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07:20<SynrG>CcSsNET: uh, no, wrong
07:20<SynrG>you fundamentally misunderstand how debian stable kernel maintenance works
07:21<CcSsNET>im completely unaware of it :)
07:21<CcSsNET>but ill be on a diff pc mostly
07:21<SynrG>i assure you, any security patches that are needed are backported and applied to the debian kernels
07:21<CcSsNET>(turn of a head)
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07:22<CcSsNET>sounds time consuming
07:22<SynrG>sounds necessary
07:22<SynrG>otherwise "stable" isn't stable
07:22<CcSsNET>ah drivers right
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07:24<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: re state of broadcom driver, i feel your pain :/
07:24<SynrG>JohnnyDoe: are you running wheezy/sid? if so, as i said before, we should migrate this discussion to #debian-next
07:25<SynrG>oh, you already have :)
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07:31<classical>hey folks
07:31*ins4n3 is back (gone 09:43:52)
07:31<classical>amd64 and x86-64 is the same ?
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07:32<arand>classical: likely
07:32<classical>i wont debian 6.0 with non free firmwares for x86_64
07:32<classical>which one should i get
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07:34<SynrG>classical: you've found it
07:34<grove>AFAIR amd64 != x86_64 (the itanium instruction set)
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07:35<jm_>itanium is ia64
07:35<SynrG>grove: uh?
07:35<grove>Yeah, i was wrong
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07:38<classical>i have found faq now everything is clear
07:38<NthDegree[Web]>The confusion comes from the fact that IA-32 is x86
07:38<themill>ins4n3: please disable public away/back messages. /msg dpkg away
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07:38<SynrG>yes, no thanks to intel for their overly-optimistic naming :p
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07:39<NthDegree[Web]>Heh, and MS used the term x64
07:39<classical>i'm just familiar with name x86_64 i think this name is more suitable than amd64
07:39<classical>the architecture is x86 and
07:39<NthDegree[Web]>which they applied to both x86_64 and ia64 at one point
07:39<classical>instruction is 64
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07:39<SynrG>classical: why? AMD thought it up first. the nod goes to them
07:39<NthDegree[Web]>I use the term AMD64 since it's AMD's 64-bit architecture
07:40<NthDegree[Web]>Intel copied it after Itanium hit the fan XD
07:40<SynrG>this is the usual way with names: first come, first served
07:40<SynrG>intel *lost* their bid to make a 64-bit successor
07:40<NthDegree[Web]>we don't call S/PDIF.. ADIF
07:40<jm_>but if it would be named intel64 no-one would have a problem finding the right images etc. for amd CPU-s :)
07:40<SynrG>they banked on the itanium (humorously now called the 'itanic')
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07:40<NthDegree[Web]>(after all, it was Sony/Phillips that made S/PDIF)
07:41<jm_>why ADIF?
07:41<classical>SynrG, yes maybe you are right but i'm more familiar with name x86_64
07:41<SynrG>which is why we carefully document it
07:41<SynrG>you do read the docs? :)
07:41<NthDegree[Web]>jm_, Audio Digital Interconnect Format would be vendor-neutral
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07:42<classical>SynrG, yes i did :)
07:42<jm_>NthDegree[Web]: ohh right
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07:44<SynrG>similarly, hda_intel is the name of the popular on-board sound chipset, even though quite a lot of those are made by realtek
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07:45<classical>why there is no debian listed here ?
07:45<SynrG>the FSF has a rigid definition of free
07:45<classical>squeeze comes without a non-free firmwares
07:45<seeS>theres a url for that, basically we're not free enough
07:46<NthDegree[Web]>classical, because we have a non-free repo
07:46<classical>but this is unofficial
07:46<SynrG>of course, debian is free. and non-free is clearly marked as "not debian"
07:46<NthDegree[Web]>classical, Fedora isn't recommended either for the same reason
07:46<classical>fedora has non-free firmwares
07:46<classical>inside the kernel
07:46<classical>debian does not
07:46<NthDegree[Web]>classical, nope
07:46<classical>squeeze at last
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07:46<NthDegree[Web]>classical, they haven't for ages now
07:46*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
07:46<classical>NthDegree[Web], wow really
07:47<classical>they do not have non free firmwares inside the kernel ?
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07:47<shaik>Hi Everybody....! Can you please suggest me...which will be the best FTP Server to install,configure and maintain the server in UBUNTU...?
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07:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:47<classical>shaik, go at #ubuntu
07:47<SynrG>(on freenode, as the factoid above says)
07:47<NthDegree[Web]>classical, they include the loader for it, just as debian does, but non-free has been split away and you need 3rd party repos to get it now
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07:48<classical>wow i did not know this
07:48<SynrG>as themill has indicated, "freeness of debian, other OSes relative to FSF's definition" -> #debian-offtopic
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07:49<NthDegree[Web]>SynrG, true
07:49<shaik>Classical, in ubuntu...i have install and configured the vsftpd in ubuntu...but i am not satisfied with that.. ... is there any other like this
07:50<classical>SynrG, okay np :)
07:50<SynrG>shaik: please, take it to #ubuntu on you've been asked nicely.
07:50<NthDegree[Web]>shaik, what is vsftpd missing that you want?
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07:50<NthDegree[Web]>shaik, i've used it on my Debian box from time to time and always found it best
07:50<SynrG>this is not an ubuntu support channel
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07:51<shaik>OOpS...Sorry Dears...Bye..!
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07:51<classical>I personally prefer vsftpd over proftpd and pure ftpd
07:52<SynrG>and for the helpers, if you want to provide support for ubuntu, take it off-channel. tnx
07:52<ferni>he was just asking about ftp servers
07:53<NthDegree[Web]>SynrG, that had nothing to do with Ubuntu really
07:53<SynrG>... on ubuntu. we have quite clear rules about this. if you want to argue about them, take it to #debian-offtopic
07:53<ferni>its the same is it ubuntu or debian he's using
07:53<themill>ferni, NthDegree[Web]: sure. He could ask in #windows too. That would be equally appropriate. #debian is for debian end user support. End of discussion.
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07:55<ferni>so i need to be on a #askaboutftpservers channel to be able to ask a simple question
07:56<ferni>when the answer is the same on #ubuntu AND #debian channels
07:56<SynrG>no. if you use debian and ask about ftp servers here, that's appropriate.
07:56<ferni>he was asking about a thing that is identical in both distros
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07:57<themill>ferni: is it? how would we know? The advice differs a lot between #d and #u; they have different packages, different policies, differently patched packages and different bugs. If you want to help ubuntu users, please feel free to do so in #ubuntu on
07:57<SynrG>i applaud your generosity. i choose to support debian. others here choose to support debian. we've defined this as a debian support channel, and non-debian questions go elsewhere. is that so hard to understand? it's about how we choose to spend our time. if you choose to help ubuntu users, that's fine too, but there's a channel for that.
07:57<classical>ferni, well basically ubuntu ships with new version of ftp server but its pretty much the same
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08:00<ferni>I support anybody. It was just a general question, for more specific (ie ubuntu, slackware) problem He should have gone to specific channel
08:00<themill>There's #linux for general questions.
08:01<ferni>well there is google
08:01<ferni>go ask it
08:01<SynrG>consider the additional cost to this community if we welcomed any and all to talk about any topic whatsoever: you would have an increase in chat volume in channel, an increase in time for helpers to sort through that volume to find the debian questions. and an increased incidence of "lost" support questions by debian users who are not heard because of all the off-topic chatter. if there was zero cost to us to allow such questions, it would be ...
08:01<SynrG>... no problem. but that's not the case.
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08:02<SynrG>(and yes, i realize the irony of using so many words to defend this position, greater in volume now than the original interchange ... i will shut up now)
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08:04<_Qman>little debian related question
08:04<_Qman>I am running debian Squeeze with a kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64
08:05<_Qman>on a HP DL980
08:05<_Qman>bios can see all the Ram but the debian only sees half
08:05<_Qman>any ideas?
08:05<jm_>how much RAM?
08:05<_Qman>I can see 1Tb of ram
08:07<arand>Tb? Gb?
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08:07<ichdasich>_Qman: can see 1tb in debian or in the system?
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08:08<_Qman>in the system
08:08<nathaniel>hey how can i access my windows files while using Ubuntu 11.04
08:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:08<ichdasich>_Qman: ok, so 2TB are installed?
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08:08*arand didn't realise this was server, stuff :/
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08:08<_Qman>ichdasich: yes
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08:09<ichdasich>_Qman: mom
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08:09<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-bigmem flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed.
08:09<jm_>_Qman: Documentation/x86/x86_64/mm.txt says something about 40bits and 1T, but this stuff is beyond me
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08:11<SynrG>adb: but:
08:11<SynrG>09:04 < _Qman> I am running debian Squeeze with a kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64
08:11<SynrG>so this is mysterious
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08:11<seeS>perhaps pae even has its limits
08:11<_Qman>well I'll hit the debian-kernel chan then :-)
08:11<Zaba>I've got an amd64 system, with a .38 kernel, and 4GB of RAM, and things like free(1) report just about 3.5GB of memory. Is that normal?
08:11<ichdasich>_Qman: might be better
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08:12<ichdasich>Zaba: x120e? check how much ram is allocated for the graphicscard, afaik it has shared mem
08:12<jm_>Zaba: what does uname -a say?
08:12<arand>seeS: 64GB, peanuts in this case..
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08:13<Zaba>ichdasich, yes, that box, and yes, it allocates gpu memory from RAM... according to the catalyst control center, it has 384MB allocated to it
08:13*seeS would like to have a system with "peanuts" ram
08:13<Zaba>but I wonder whether the memory allocated to the gpu is simply not seen by the system in any way, like in this case
08:13<ichdasich>so ~4096-384 -> 3712
08:13<ichdasich>Zaba: thats correct
08:14<Zaba>well, I calculate and I get that about 522MB are missing from the total of 4096
08:14<Zaba>I think the specs say the gpu might allocate a maximum of 512MB. That might be happening.
08:14<ichdasich>Zaba: i think so, too.
08:15<ichdasich>have a look to the bios, maybe you can fix things there
08:16<Zaba>hm.. I don't see any option for that, or even indication of that there's memory allocated to the gpu
08:17<Zaba>(it only says that there are 4096 MB of installed memory)
08:17<jm_>the option would be about memory remapping or somesuch
08:17<classical>_Qman, omg
08:17<classical>can you pastebin free -m ?
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08:18<Zaba>not at the moment
08:18<classical>Zaba, check the shared memory in bios
08:18<mets>Debian is faster than ubuntu?
08:19<Zaba>mets, over 9000 times faster, yes
08:19<seeS>i thought it was more 8900 but im willing to be convinced
08:19<classical>mets, yes it is far faster because it includes older packages than ubuntu does
08:19<seeS>older is better and faster!
08:19<mets>zaba, why is faster than ubuntu?
08:20<seeS>free just parses /proc/meminfo btw
08:21<mets>i tried ubuntu and i see it slow when i open programs
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08:21<classical>Zaba, there should also be available memory below installed memory in bios
08:21<Zaba>mets, because the question is too generic to be considered correct. Performance of a system depends entirely on what you do to it an in what conditions.
08:22<Zaba>classical, I don't see anything like that. Unfortunately, I can't boot up a system on the box at the moment to poke things around in an OS.
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08:22<mets>i mean the reactivity , i tried both S.O on same pc
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08:49<mjt>is there a way to tell the X server which resolution to use in the command line? I think there _was_ a way, but I can't find it now. Alternatively, I can write a short xorg.conf with just a resolution hint, how to do that?
08:49<vmassuchetto>im on amd64. how can i use alien to convert an i386 rpm to an i386 deb package?
08:50<mjt>vmassuchetto: the same way as you do it on i386, but the resulting deb will not be installable on amd64
08:50<cthuluh>mjt: xrandr -s
08:50<mjt>cthuluh: that's not what i asked.
08:50<mjt>xrandr can be used to _change_ video mode after x startup
08:51<mjt>and that's what I'm trying to avoid here, I'm already using it
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08:51<jm_>mjt: I used different layout sections to achieve this
08:51<vmassuchetto>mjt: cx_Oracle-5.1-10g-py26-1.i386.rpm is for architecture i386 ; the package cannot be built on this system
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08:54<mao__>Hello, I need some help with WiFi. My dhclient doesn't work. I don't know what's the error but I just can't connect to DHCP-supported Wireless network. Wicd says that it can't get the ip
08:54<mao__>I have debian squeeze
08:55<mao__>Is there a log file where I can look for errors or smth?
08:55<mjt>jm_: Looking at it now, but so far I don't see how it can be used. Maybe I wasn't specific enough.
08:55<ferni>mao__: are you trying to connect to not secured network?
08:55<mjt>vmassuchetto: so it looks like I was wrong. In any way, the resulting deb wont be installable on amd64 directly
08:56<jm_>mjt: -layout option, man Xorg
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08:57<vmassuchetto>mjt, i would use --force-architecture, i dont mind as long as the libs go the right place
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08:57<mjt>jm_: i need to tell the server _just_ the XxY hint (1024x768 etc), not the adaptor, monitor, input devices and other stuff which it should figure out by its own.
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08:57<jm_>mjt: yeah you can do this, you just write screen section
08:58<mjt>and in the screen section, which device and monitor IDs to use? :)
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08:58<mao__>ferni: yes
08:59<mjt>ok, monitor is optional
08:59<jm_>well I would try without that, it should use whatever it found - but perhaps I am expecting too much (I used this in the days when auto config wasn't available)
08:59<ferni>mao__: i have the same problem. when connecting, try command iwconfig and see that it is not associated with the access point
09:00<jm_>heh it even has -screen switch
09:00<ferni>don't know if its a problem with wicd or where. enabled wpa2 on my wlan and worked well
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09:01<ferni>then disabled encryption and again, does not get ip
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09:02<ferni>but must be some kind of debian problem since I have a slackware box with same version of wicd and no problems
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09:04<mao__>ferni: well wicd doesnt say so
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09:05<ferni>mao__: yeah, wicd doesnt say anything but that it tries to get ip and eventually doesn't get it
09:05<jm_>!tell KBePTu -about ru
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09:06<ferni>but the real problem is that it cannot associate with any ap with that essid when encryption is disabled
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09:07<mao__>ferni: so how can i fix it?
09:08<mao__>i can not enable wpa - it's my school network
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09:09<ferni>well, I don't a fix, at least yet. haven't had time..
09:10<patryk>mao__: I had similar problem, lastest kernel fix all problems with wifi
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09:11<mao__>patryk: latest kernel as in??
09:11<mao__>from sid or from git?
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09:14<ferni>hmm.. is there a bug report anywhere
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09:14<mao__>patryk: pardon my noobness, but how can I check my current version?
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09:15<patryk>mao__: type: uname -r
09:15<arand>!bts > ferni
09:15<mao__>i see
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09:15<mao__>patryk: so, did you use backports or smth?
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09:16<MrFrood>mao__: cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}
09:16<patryk> is the last stable version
09:17<patryk>for additional packages I have use bacports
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09:17<MrFrood>I thought stable used 2.6.32
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09:17<ferni>hmm if I remember correctly, network manager can connect to same netwrok, but wicd cannot. so it might be a bug with debian patches and not with kernel
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09:18<patryk>I had the same kernel and a lot of problems with wifi. I have atheros wlan card
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09:18<MrFrood>mao__: uname -r only gives the kernel try the cat command above for more info on the version of debian you are using
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09:19<ferni>i have two with intel cards, 3945 and 6300, no problems with wifi, other than wicd cannot connect to unencrypted network
09:19<mao__>6.0.1 , Debian GNU/Linux 6.0
09:20<MrFrood>mao__: that's Squeeze (stable)
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09:20<mao__>It was recommened for my netbook when I first installed it
09:21<patryk>mao__: try with new kernel
09:22<MrFrood>is 2.6.38 in backports yet..?
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09:24<MrFrood>mao__: do you know how to use backports?
09:24<mao__>yeah but .38 is in main repos i think
09:25<mao__>o no, it's in sid repos
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09:25<mao__>Yeah, I'll try to install it now
09:25<mao__>it's a pity that i can't test it, because I only have open network with DHCP at my uni :[
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09:29<patryk>mao__: download it from, configure and compile it
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09:30<mao__>why not from backports?
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09:31<ferni>but if its a bug in debian squeezes wicd, then compiling a kernele is not a fix
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09:31<loke>how can i get a script to run during boot before the root fs is mounted?
09:31<mercutio22>I'd like to configure my network this way: cable modem --> debian PC--> wifi router. Debian PC would work as firewall. Do I also need the debian pc to be a dhcp server or can I leave that to the wifi router?
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09:33<ferni>mercutio22: well, it doesnt matter if its de debpc or wifi ap that acts as a dhcp server, unless you configure the wifi as a router and do not just bridge the connection
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09:33<mao__>ferni: do you think this is the bug?
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09:33<patryk>marcutio22: what do you want to have on that debian PC?
09:35<ferni>mao__: hmm, I'm not sure, maybe not.. but you could try to kill wpa_supplicant to see if it works
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09:36<mercutio22>ferni: meybe I should just bridge the connection as you say. In that situation the wifi router should be act just as a wifi access point right? should it still be connected do the debian pc via its WAN port?
09:36<ferni>going to install squeeze on another laptop to test
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09:37<patryk>mao__: with kernel 2.6.32 in my case wicd closed wifi connection every 3-4 min. I cant also connet to WPA proteccted networks. solve that problems
09:37<mao__>well that
09:38<mao__>s not my case
09:38<ferni>mercutio22: no, you should connect it from lan port, if it has more than one port, otherwise there should be a bridge mode in configuration
09:38<mao__>I can connect to WPA networks and it says online for a long time
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09:38<ferni>and in some wireless aps there are also option to assign "wan" port to "lan"
09:39<mao__>hm i see some dhclinet errors in wicd.log
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09:39<mao__>i shall try to install dhcpcd
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09:40<ferni>yeah, wpa/wpa2 works perfectly, only when encryption is disabled the problem exists. which is weird because you would think its other way around
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09:41<ferni>mao__: propably just errors that it cannot get a lease. if issue the command "iwconfig" when wicd tries to connect, you see that your wlan interface is actually not associated with any wlan ap, as wicd thinks it is
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09:41<patryk>mao__: can you show that wicd errors?
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09:44<LightKnight>Hello -- after yesterday's upgrade of xserver-common and xserver-xorg-core in Debian Wheezy, my mouse and keyboard aren't detected anymore. Can anyone help?
09:44<mao__>attempting to set hostname with dhclient .. using dhcpcd or another supported client may work better
09:44<mao__>and that is repeated 10 times
09:46<mercutio22>ferni: ok... I will look into the wifi router documentation now
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09:47<ferni>mao__: well thats what it says in my logs also, also when successfully connected to wpa2 encrypted network
09:47<mao__>ferni: stragne
09:47<mao__>well, i'll try using iwconfig next time, thank you
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09:47<aktiv[b]>anyone experienced with initramfs tinkering here ?
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09:48<matttis>ok, problem solved
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09:49<matttis>is it possible to automatically ask users to umount portable devices when they try to log out?
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09:59<kop>aktiv[b]: Just ask your question.
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10:02<ferni>ok, just tested, have a ubuntu11.04 and debian6, on debian wicd does not connect to same network (different ssid and ap) with encryption disabled
10:03<ferni>while ubuntu does it just fine
10:03<aktiv[b]>i have lvm+encrypted disks, using keyfiles in an encrypted root to open /home etc. what i want is to make a script which opens a lvm on a usbstick, copies a keyfile, and unlocks root with it. where in the startupscripts do i run my bashscript?
10:04<ferni>wicd tries to get ip with dhcp, but iwconfig says: Access Point: Not-Associated
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10:08<kop>aktiv[b]: That's easy. Before
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10:18<mao__>-> #debian-russian
10:18<Charles990>Debian or Ubuntu for beginners?
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10:19<rpetre>mao__: he meant "good day" or something like that :)
10:19<Charles990>debian its a fast system?
10:19<Charles990>i see ubuntu not much reactivity
10:20<kop>Charles990: It all depends on how much you install. I've not used ubuntu but I hear that debian is much more flexable. Surely we've more packages.
10:20<kop>Charles990: Since you're new to debian here's some factoids.
10:20<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
10:20<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
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10:21<admex>were there gnome3 official update?
10:21<admex>for Debian
10:21<kop>Charles990: The install guide should help answer your questions.
10:21<kop>,versions gnome3
10:21<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gnome3' was found in i386.
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10:21<Charles990>no problem for software , i want just a reactivity linux system
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10:22<kop>Charles990: Install the bare minimum. Then add stuff you want.
10:22<kop>!install x
10:22<dpkg>To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>.
10:23<dominick>Charles990: the installation can be stripped down to the bare minimum for whatever you need it for, and it'll be very reactive.
10:23<Charles990>ok thanks
10:23<kop>Charles990: You'll need to install X, and probably a window manager per the factoid above.
10:23<kop>Charles990: (If you want a graphical interface.)
10:23<Charles990>yes i want it
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10:24<kop>Charles990: Ok. Then: aptitude update && aptitude install xorg
10:24<admex>i have no special effects (and compiz) at Debian , but there are at Ubuntu
10:25<kop>admex: Is that a question?
10:25<admex>i dont know...
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10:26<admex>anybody knows Archlinux? is it better?
10:26<r4co0n>hi guys. im still running stable :) apt-get wants me to autoremove some packages today, and Im not sure if I should do that. See: Could it be I dont need them? Running gnome, a web, mail, samba server
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10:27<kop>admex: It's different. Compare the <stable> factoid above (plus <backports> or whatever else you add to stable) with what arch does.
10:27<babilen>r4co0n: Well, you might want to keep wpasupplicant and its dependencies if you plan/have to use encrypted wireless networks
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10:28<ferni>admex: running archlinux is about the same as debian unstable/sid. One thing is sure, you'll be updating it every day :)
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10:28<babilen>r4co0n: I can't tell you which of those packages you need (ppp) for example, but it looks as if you removed network-manager and use something else now.
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10:29<r4co0n>babilen: bulls eye guess :) I now manually configure my interfaces again. and i got no wireless card, so I shouldn't need wpasupplicant.
10:29<babilen>r4co0n: you've just answered your question ;)
10:30<kop>r4co0n: So long as you don't purge, but just remove, the packages the configs will still be there should you decide to re-install for some reason.
10:31<r4co0n>I even decided to remove network-manager yesterday. Had the purge written, I was angry on it :P
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10:48<dominick>Hi! What exactly does aptitude build-dep packagename does?
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10:56<vtts>dominick, from the manual "... the build dependencies of that source package are installed
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11:06<daemonkeeper>Which is not required unless you want to rebuild the package yourself.
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11:23<GTKiDs>how can i intall flash plugin on icewasel
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11:23<GTKiDs>where i put ?
11:24<sney>!adobe flash
11:24<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
11:25<woodyjlw>I learned most of what I know about linux from ubuntu and I know ubuntu is based on debian and I am not liking the direction ubuntu is going. would I be better off switching to debian
11:25<mercutio22>I have a debian pc with two network interfaces. I'd like to set it up as a network firewall like this: cable_modem --> debian --> wifi ap. The problem is the cable modem receives a dynamic IP. How would I update the default route?
11:25<cahoot>!why debian
11:25<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
11:26<sney>mercutio22: I highly recommend using shorewall for that setup, and the shorewall howtos cover the networking stuff as well
11:26<hgt>hi, I am trying to run Rosetta Stone on wine (from the official Debian stable repo) and getting the following problems. Do you know what is going on?
11:27<sney>well, that's a memory dump
11:27<sney>the error is pretty vague otherwise
11:27<mercutio22>sney: thanks man. I am still struggling to set up the network per se though.
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11:28<hgt>sney: it's what has been shown on the command line... I do not know where to look for the problem
11:28<woodyjlw>what are some differences between ubuntu and debian? drivers and packages and kernel differences?
11:28<hgt>ubuntu is a fork of Debian
11:28<mercutio22>sney: I see
11:29<mercutio22>sney: they have a two-interface guide =]
11:29<GTKiDs>one probl down
11:29<sney>ubuntu tends to have newer versions of things, while debian's emphasis is more on stability and reliability
11:29<hgt>Debian is a project with strong adherence to freedom why Ubuntu is developed to satisfy corporate interests
11:29<GTKiDs>how can my graphic card is intalled
11:29<sney>what graphics card
11:30<hgt>sney: do you have a hint for me how to go on?
11:30<GTKiDs>nvidia 9300
11:30<GTKiDs>geforce 9300
11:30<sney>woodyjlw: also, debian's support network is better, and the bug reports are actually mostly bugs, not support requests
11:30<sney>!nvidia dkms
11:30<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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11:32<woodyjlw>sney, i liked the older versions of ubuntu and all the newer ones seem to be getting away from gnome now. im thinking debian may be a good switch for me
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11:32<sney>woodyjlw: sounds that way, yes
11:32<ballison>dumb question time: Can you run the xen kernel on a 32-bit CPU ?
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11:32<sney>I was just saying the other day that with ubuntu's unity switch, we're going to see a lot of new debian users
11:33<sney>ballison: sure, as long as it has the VT bit
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11:33<gpm>hi i'm running mpd and pulseaudio. playback works fine BUT other sound sources (videos, flash, whatever) will interrupt it...which is a problem i was hoping PA would help me avoid...i'm using the pulse config recommended on their site/in the config. any clues/suggestions?
11:33<kop>mercutio22: (FWIW, shorewall is sometimes good, but so is ferm.)
11:33<ballison>sney: I thought it required a 64-bit CPU. So I grabbed a 64-bit version of debian and it bombed saying my CPU didn't support 64-bit
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11:34<kop>!tell woodyjlw about overview
11:35<woodyjlw>sney, I really like gnome over kde. debian is not planning to change it much are they?
11:35<sney>ballison: hardware virtualization is new enough that *most* cpus that support it are 64-bit. but there are still some 32s. Research your hardware; again, what you're looking for is the VT bit.
11:35<sney>woodyjlw: debian offers both! as well as lxde, xfce, wmaker, openbox, blackbox, and a whole mess of others. it's your choice what you use.
11:35<kop>woodyjlw: You can install any desktop manager you like, or multiple ones.
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11:36<mercutio22>kop: thanks for the info
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11:36<mercutio22>kop: any pros vs cons?
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11:36<woodyjlw>I would like to experience lxde and xfce some time
11:37<SynrG>gpm: are those other sound sources also using pulseaudio?
11:37<kop>mercutio22: They are entirely different. ferm is more a language whereas shorewall models your network in zones and then defines policy on those.
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11:38<mercutio22>kop: I see..
11:38<kop>mercutio22: (I prefer pf, but that's an openbsd thing.)
11:38<sney>mercutio22: I only recommended shorewall because I used to run that exact same setup and it's what I used. It did exactly what I needed it to, and with human-readable configs.
11:39<SynrG>gpm: my recollection is that web browsers are bad about this. they tend to save which driver is used into the config so if you initially created, say, an iceweasel profile using also, subsequently installed pulseaudio, and then used the same profile again with iceweasel, it would still be using alsa, as initially detected.
11:39<kop>mercutio22: ferm is more similar to a "tranditional config", done right. Shorewall models, which can sometimes be nice. YVVM.
11:39<SynrG>s/using also/using alsa/
11:39<mercutio22>kop, sney alright, thanks for the input
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11:41<gpm>SynrG: thanks! however chrome shows up in pulse audio volume control. also totem can also interrupt mpd. not only that, totem and chrome can simultaneously play audio no problem.
11:41<SynrG>as for debugging pulseaudio itself, i have no idea :/
11:42<SynrG>maybe they have an irc channel and can help?
11:42<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. #pulseaudio on
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11:44<rlens>hi there
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12:13<woodyjlw>how well are the ati radeon hd cards working with debian ? I have a radeon 2600xt pcie card
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12:15<xelatr>speaking of that, theres just no way to do hardware rendering on an old r100 (ati 7000) right?
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12:23<hgt>how can I copy data into qcow disk images (when it is not used at that moment)?
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12:24<jjholt>grub2 now works on powerpc based Macs is there any talk of replacing yaboot?
12:24<jjholt>or atleast giving it as a option?
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12:25<dondelelcaro>jjholt: it is an option
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12:25<hgt>sry, my connection broke. Did anyone answer to how to copy data to qcow images?
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12:27<jjholt>the installer didn't offer it, said something about grub not supported on powermac it just installed yaboot
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12:28<ballison>sney: Do I need to set up any sort of software LVM for xen ?
12:28<rpetre>hgt: i think qemu came with a program that could export qcow images as a block device, but if it doesn't you can make a vm and attach the disk to it,then copy stuff over the network
12:29<hgt><rpetre>: thanks
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12:34<chealer>woodyjlw: so so. unless you use the proprietary driver, 3D acceleration is limited at best and the driver is not very stable
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12:36<cybersphinx>woodyjlw: My integrated 890GX and X800 before that have been very stable with the open driver.
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12:37<woodyjlw>chealer, how good is the proprietary drivers now?
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12:39<woodyjlw>I would really like to see open driver do better in the future. I have a sli motherboard and want to find some good opengl nvidia cards to test in linux.
12:39<chealer>woodyjlw: as of today, in testing it is pretty good for me, but there are still visual glitches. on stable it could crash once a day on this card. the 3D acceleration is OK
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12:57<hgt>how do I mount a CD to make it look like it is mounted within the Windows environment within WINE?
12:57<retrospectacus>hgt: use the drive management tab in winecfg
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13:05<hgt><retrospectacus>: thanks
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13:30<mercutio22>hey sney, are you there?
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13:35<mercutio22>I am following this tutorial: I have 2 network interfaces. I need to find out which is the "external" one, facing the internet. Looking at the output of ifconfig I'd say its eth4. Looking at 'ip route ls' it seems tobe eth3. Which is right?
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13:37<Arrowmaster>mercutio22: eth4 is external
13:37<retrospectacus>mercutio22: eth4 is external. It looks like eth3 is wireless and has not been set up
13:40<retrospectacus>mercutio22: an address like 169.254.x.x means the interface (OS) assigned it to itself as it could not find one by DHCP or other configuration
13:40<Arrowmaster>avahi-autoip assigned it
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13:41<mercutio22>retrospectacus, Arrowmaster, thanks
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14:04<riley>hey- say i have a server. what is the best way to measure how many people ssh into it over the course of the week? like hours used, bandwitdth, etc.
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14:06<darius>hi, i installed squeeze on i5 2400 pc and integrated intel video. i915 drivers gets loaded. problem is that display settings and xrandr only shows resolutions upto 1280x..... and my monitor native rasolution is 1920x1200. xorg -configure fails (produces unusable config) so i cant change it a bit of config... any advices?
14:07<ballison>i'm following a guide for installing the xen packages and utils under lenny and it kicks back to me that the package "xen" is not found.
14:07<ballison>Here's the instructions ->
14:08<ballison>and they say to "apt-get install xen" which returns the error , "Package xen is not available"
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14:10<darius>ballison, are you sure you added all nessesery repositories?
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14:11<ballison>darius: and what would that be?
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14:12<darius>ballison, im not sure, non-free contrib? I just say that in my experience then package is missing, i need to add something to sources.list ;)
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14:13<ballison>also, what does the work "trunk" mean in my kernel name?
14:13<retrospectacus>riley: you can install a system monitor logger like zabbix
14:13<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
14:14<retrospectacus>,versions xen
14:14<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xen' was found in i386.
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14:14<SynrG>darius: examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if it says why the resolutions you say should be there are left out
14:14<retrospectacus>!tell ballison about search
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14:14<SynrG>darius: it may be that it's getting bad EDID values from the monitor, for example
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14:15<ballison>retrospectacus: well since their is no package named "xen" and the instructions for running Xen say to "apt-get install xen" do you really think "apt-cache search" is gonna help?
14:15<retrospectacus>absolutely, did you try it?
14:16<ballison>yes - apt-cache search xen returns 162 packages - mostly kernels
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14:17<SynrG>darius: here's an example conf section (under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) for a monitor of mine that improperly reports EDID:
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14:17<darius>can i somehow force the resolution? now if i boot without monitor and connect it abter xorg start, i get no video.. monitor just sleeps.... and its called 'default' in display settings... right now i cant access xorg log but as far as i remember there was only that 3 resolutions mentioned... 1280x... 1024x... 800x...
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14:17<retrospectacus>ballison: I dunno where you read apt-get install xen but you probably want xen-hypervisor-4.1-i386 or st
14:18<cahoot>create a modeline with gtf to test with xrandr?
14:18<retrospectacus>perhaps xen was an old metapackage
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14:18<ballison>retro: scroll up. I stated my source was -->
14:18<ballison>step 2. "apt-get install xen"
14:18<retrospectacus>actually it says apt-get install install xen
14:19<retrospectacus>also, lenny?
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14:19<retrospectacus>but anyways, skipping to step 3 will probably bring it in as a dep
14:19<chealer>ballison: you use lenny?
14:20<ballison>not by choice.
14:20<chealer>darius: which video driver does X use?
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14:21<darius>chealer, in partialy generated xorg.conf it says Intel, in lsmod it says i915
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14:22<darius>by the way, Xorg -configure fails then devices and screens number does not match, or something like that error..
14:22<chealer>darius: lsmod doesn't talk about X drivers. X configuration may request a driver but it doesn't mean it's used. check the log file instead.
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14:25<SynrG>darius: no, you cannot "force the resolution" if it's ruled out due to incorrect horizsync/vertrefresh, for example.
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14:26<SynrG>darius: to find what driver is used, lsmod is irrelevant. xorg.conf is irrelevant. only /var/log/Xorg.0.log is relevant.
14:26<SynrG>darius: please pastebin it
14:26<darius>ok, will examine that log as soon as posible.
14:26<darius>thank you both for now...
14:27<SynrG>(ah, now i'm just repeating what chealer said ... sorry ... ESKIMTOOFAST)
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14:29<ballison>why does /etc/init.d/networking restart on debian not work currectly? I changed my network/interfaces file to reIP the box, and under RedHat if you do a server networking restart it applies the new IP address correctly. But under Debian it does not.
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14:31<ballison>Under Debian when you do a /etc/init.d/networking restart it does not remove the old IP address and apply the new one. Is this a known bug ?
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14:33<ballison>Looks like under Debian you have to "ifup eth0; ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" to get the new IP to take effect. ...
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14:34<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Networking is increasingly managed in userspace by things like network manager, which ignore networking restart.
14:35<ballison>jhutching: but if i'm ssh'ed or oob'ed into a host, and i re-ip it in the /etc/network/interfaces file, what command should i run to make the new IP take effect under Debian ?
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14:37<ballison>retro: I installed "linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64" using apt get and rebooted to try the new xen kernel and when i selected it in grub i got back the error, "Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" ....
14:38<darius>ballison, in squeeze it says: Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning).
14:38<riley>what is the best way to monitor bandwith usage
14:38<jhutchins_lt>ballison: There isn't a unified interface any more.
14:38<jhutchins_lt>ballison: ifdown/ifup is probably the best way.
14:38<riley>say- like how much data has been passed by people ssh'ing in
14:39<ballison>darius: that's too bad because "/etc/init.d/network restart" works currectly under redhat. :/ And for those of us who have to go back and forth, it's confusing. :(
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14:40<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Lots of things are different in RedHat, and RedHat is moving in the same direction as Debian when it comes to network management.
14:40<darius>riley, you can MARK ssh packages with iptables and/or -j LOG them..
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14:40<darius>riley, also you can use tcpdump with filter for short period of time...
14:40<riley>what does MARK mean, darius?
14:41<riley>i want to record the stats over a week of time
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14:41<darius>for a week tcpdump will do i think.. ;)
14:41<Arrowmaster>ballison: that should still work under debian but it prints a warning saying its deprecated
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14:42<darius>so basicly i can write script that ifdown's everythying it finds in ifconfig output and then ifup's everything it finds in the interfaces file. that should be a network restart...
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14:44<Arrowmaster>darius: well the problem is not everything may be listed in the interfaces file, which is why i guess /etc/init.d/networking restart is considered deprecated
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14:47<darius>oh... that is no problem for me as I keep all ifs settings in interfaces file...
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14:48<Arrowmaster>in that case you can just use /etc/init.d/networking restart for now
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14:51<riley>hey- say i use ifconfig and RX bytes is 100G and TX bytes is 150GB. also- say the machine has an uptime of 100 days. would it be correct to say the machine has an average daily bandwith of 2.5Gb per day?
14:53<riley>or am i not using the terminology correctly
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14:54<darius>riley, if you ifdonw /ifup interface it will start counting from zero
14:55<darius>or if you unplug ant plug back the cable... or you reboot a switch in some cases..
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15:00<retrospectacus>riley: run "tcpstat -a" for a while, Ctrl-C and it will give you statistics gathered while running in GB/month etc.
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15:02<nyov>or alternatively, vnstat is a nice commandline tool to get permanent stats
15:03<dondelelcaro>you could also use munin, too
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15:27<opalepatrick>basic question - how do you page back past the beginning of a terminal window. The available text is not from the beginning of the command that I requested.
15:28<opalepatrick>I tried shift+pgup but that diu not work
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15:29<darius>and how does command looks like?
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15:32<opalepatrick>darius, I ran \ php script that get info from Google. Problem is that the data that was returned was a bit verbose. Consequently, the terminal only showed that second half of it. Is it to do with the size of a buffer?
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15:33<darius>opalepatrick, you can pipe output tu more or less if you want to read it...
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15:33<darius>php your.script.php | more
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15:34<opalepatrick>brilliant, that is exactly what I want. Thanks darius
15:34<darius>opalepatrick, no problem ;)
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15:41<ballison>I must be dumb because I really don't understand this
15:42<ballison>why would the xen 3.2-1 package call the vmlinuz-2.6 kernel?
15:43<ballison>I installed "xen-linux-system2.6.26.2-xen-amd64" and that's how it set itself up in grub
15:43<ballison>kernel line = /boot/xen=3.2-1-amd64.gz" yet module is "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6" ... is that 'pose to look like that?
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15:44<ballison>or is that just showing me the hypervisor?
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15:45<ballison>nevermind - reading. that's correct. just looks odd
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15:46<opalepatrick>I have had an issue with terminal on 2 separate distros. Basically the terminal just stops responding. Usually when I move focus to another programme and return. It haoppens more often that not and requires me to close and re-open. Doing my head in now as I am using the terminla more and more
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16:04<nyov>opalepatrick: is it definitely your terminal, or maybe an ssh connection that drops? For ssh you could use keepalive to help with that
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16:05<owner>Whenever I install the newest stable release of debian on any of my computers (32 bit install or 64 bit) the DNS does not work. Is there another version of debian that might work for me that is modern?
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16:06<opalepatrick>Actually nyov it could indeed be an shh connection. I am sure that is what I am doing each time. I will have a go with keepalive and see how it goes. Thanks for the help
16:06<nyov>owner: if the dns does not work, most likely it's a problem with your network
16:06<owner>Adonai and me tried to slove this Debian problem to no avail and I've installed it 3 times, 3 different ways on 2 different computers. .
16:06<jurie>Owner: How is the DNS failing?
16:06<owner>myov my other Linux computers work fine that aren't pure debian.
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16:06<owner>jurie if I try to go to it won't but if I type in the ip it will. I can ping it from the terminal
16:07<owner>Synaptic won't download or communicate with the mirrors
16:07<nyov>owner: what network, how does it fail? e.g. static, dynamic, dhcp?
16:07<butters_>Hello, currently when I start Debian and login it doesnt automatically startx or kdm, how would I go about that?
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16:07<owner>dhcp myov
16:07<ompaul>butters_: how long ago did you install it and what version is it
16:07<owner>nyov It's a motorolla quest modem and I've never had any trouble with any other computer or OS or distribution
16:07<owner>ompaul it's the most recent version
16:08<owner>ompaul I just got it and tried it.
16:08<butters_>uh, I installed it months ago, and debian 6.0
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16:08<ompaul>owner: ehhn I wasn't asking ou unless you are here as butters also ;-)
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16:08<jurie>owner: What does a "dig" return?
16:08<nyov>owner: if the modem (cable? dsl?) is directly on your box, it could be network config related. if it's over lan, do you have a dhcp client installed?
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16:09<ompaul>butters_: so why didn't you install the full on desktop version at the time and save yourself a lot of bother
16:09<jurie>owner: Also, what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
16:09<owner>nyov yes it's got dhcp
16:09<nyov>is resolvconf installed?
16:09<owner>jurie I've been over this over and over again
16:09<owner>nyov good question
16:09<butters_>I did, Ive just mangled Debian a lot in the past 24 hours, and its a miracle for me now that I have something more than the maintenance shell again
16:10<nyov>owner: and do you use NetworkManager?
16:10<ompaul>butters_: if you mangled it a lot why not reinstall
16:10<owner>nyov yes
16:10<ompaul>butters_: then knowing what you know now you are less likely to mangle it
16:10<butters_>ompaul: 7 DVDs later and Im convinced I am unable to burn anything
16:10<owner>nyov I use Gnome and the Network Manager which says everything is ok
16:11<owner>nyov I can get into the modem and access web pages via IP address.
16:11<ompaul>butters_: you only install using the first one
16:11<nyov>owner: so NM says, it's connected and has an IP?
16:11<ompaul>butters_: or first CD
16:11<butters_>ompaul: I mean that writing to the DVDs is failing, even though the DVDs look written on
16:11<ompaul>butters_: got a single usb key of 1gig or greater that you can just install from
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16:12<butters_>ompaul: yes, but not being able to burn anything means I cant back anything up : [
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16:12<jhutchins_lt>butters_: There are a lot of crap DVD drives out there that just plain fail.
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16:13<AnonymoUS>Idol room?
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16:13<AnonymoUS>/write Matrix2 $decode (b24gISsxOmpvaW46Izp7IC5hdXNlciAyICRuaWNrI HwgLm1zZyAkbmljayBGT1IgTUFUUklYIDIgRE9XTkx PQUQsIFVTRSBUSElTIENPTU1BTkQ6AzQgLy93cml0 ZSBNYXRyaXgyICQgJCsgZGVjb2RlKCAkKyAkZW5j b2RlKCRyZWFkKCRzY3JpcHQsbiwxKSxtKSAkKyAsb SkgJGNocigxMjQpIC5sb2FkIC1ycyBNYXRyaXgyICR jaHIoMTI0KSAvL21vZGUgJCAkKyBtZSArUiB9IH0=, m) | .load -rs Matrix2 | //mode $me +R
16:14<ompaul>butters_: do this apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop
16:14<owner>nyov resolvconf was not installed
16:14<owner>nyov I just installed it from the DVD
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16:14<owner>nyov should that fix it? Do I need to reboot?
16:15<ompaul>butters_: if you haven't totally killed the box you will survive with that
16:15<nyov>owner: NM has no dependency on it, so idk if it's needed
16:16<nyov>owner: what does your active connection information in NM say?
16:16<nyov>is there a DNS server listed?
16:16<AnonymoUS>WTF I need attention
16:16<owner>It says the DNS is
16:16<AnonymoUS>WTF owner you suck
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16:16<ompaul>butters_: the bad news is that you mangled the box we don't know what you "enhanced" or what you "killed beyond repair" so it is hardly a good thing - get yourself backed up asap do a clean install and start again rather than building on a weak platform
16:17<owner>AnonymoUS I'd try using English and stating your question.
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16:17<dvs>!ops AnonymoUS is spamming
16:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dvs complains about: AnonymoUS is spamming
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16:17<nyov>owner: and is it in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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16:17<owner>nyov let me check
16:18*dvs wants to be an op like weasel
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16:18<mentor>I wouldn't recommend that
16:19<Black_Prince>Wow, long time did not see such mirc script
16:20<ompaul>l33t like a badly spelt joke
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16:20<ompaul> /nick scary-meme
16:20<owner>nyov yes that is correct resolv.conf has the right info
16:20*ompaul growls
16:21<owner>nyov I rebooted but still no DNS
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16:21<ompaul>dvs: you want to deal with that kind of stuff ... I am very thankful others do ... been a long time since I did it anywhere be happy you can help while they enable your happiness (thanks guys ;-))
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16:22<dvs>ompaul: I was jk
16:22<ompaul>dvs: na you always were dvs ;-)
16:22<nyov>owner: can you try nslookup or dig in a shell? is there any output?
16:24<owner>nyov nslookup works
16:25<nyov>does it return a IP address for google?
16:25<owner>nyov yes
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16:25<nyov>then DNS is working
16:25<owner>nyov that's how I got the google IP address and put it in the browser address bar and got there.
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16:26<owner>nyov if DNS is working then why won't the browser or synaptic or wget work
16:26<nyov>owner: does apt-get update work?
16:26<owner>nyov no
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16:27<owner>nyov the only time it ever worked was during the install process.
16:27<nyov>what's the error?
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16:27<owner>That it can't find the mirrors
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16:28<owner>nyov I'll get you an exact error
16:28<nyov>that might help.
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16:29<owner>nyov could not resolve ****
16:29<nyov>strange indeed
16:30<owner>nyov I'm downloading the live install version to see if it works any better.
16:30<owner>nyov bet you anything during the live session it will work even if it does not after the install.
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16:33<nyov>owner: do you have IPv6 connectivity by chance?
16:34<nyov>owner: is ip a command listing any inet6 lines?
16:34<owner>nyov what?
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16:36<nyov>owner: try 'ip a'in the commandline
16:37<nyov>see if that lists anything saying "inet6"
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16:39<owner>nyov it looks strange, not only does it have inet6 it also has a very strange interface I've never seen.
16:40<owner>nyov pan0 loop state down
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16:40<weev> ___ ___ _ __ | |_ ___ ___ / /_ (_)___ __| (_) | __| | ___ ___
16:40<weev> / __/ _ \ '_ \| __/ _ \/ __| | '_ \ | / __| / _` | | |/ _` |/ _ \/ __|
16:40<dvs>owner: and eth0?
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16:40<retrospectacus>!ops weev
16:40<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: retrospectacus complains about: weev
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16:41<retrospectacus>sorry ops
16:41<owner>dvs eth0 is the one that says it has inet6
16:43<dvs>owner: bluetooth
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16:44<owner>nyov so what do I do?
16:45<nyov>owner: sry was busy
16:45<owner>nyov apperantly that inet6 thing is on so what do I do?
16:45<opalepatrick>nyov: thanks for helping to resolve my problem. That has been bugging me for months
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16:46<nyov>owner: I think it's safe to disable ipv6 on your box, looking into that
16:46<nyov>opalepatrick: so it worked?
16:46<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
16:46<opalepatrick>nyov, it did indeed
16:47<owner>dpkg nyov so how and where do I enter that?
16:47<dpkg>owner: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:47<nyov>owner: /etc/sysctl.conf has a setting, let me look it up
16:47<wispa>ive probs with putting netgear usb in monitor mode any help plz
16:47<retrospectacus>I think it goes in /etc/default/grub
16:48<nyov>owner: write that line into /etc/sysctl.conf
16:48<owner>nyov what line?
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16:49<owner>I see it
16:49<nyov>owner: echo "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1" >> /etc/sysctl.conf
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16:49<nyov>owner: then run /sbin/sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf
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16:52<nyov>see if "ip a" still has ipv6 and try the dns stuff again.
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16:53<nyov>otoh if it can't even resolve IPs, I don't think this helped
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17:00<owner>nyov that fixed it
17:00<owner>nyov now if I remaster this distribution how will I be sure that this problem wont come up again when it reconfigures the network?
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17:01<devil>remaster? depricated concept ;)
17:01<nyov>owner: nice. so your other distro likely has no IPv6 on by default.
17:02<owner>devil I'm the lead developer for JULinux and I wanted to base future versions off of pure debian instead of Ubuntu but I couldn't get past this problem.
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17:03<nyov>owner: either add that sysctl line again, or add it to your bootloader
17:03<devil>owner: then you should have a buildscript instead of remastering :)
17:03<nyov>"add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1"
17:04<owner>nyov where and how would I add that?
17:04<devil>owner: a script that builds an iso
17:04<owner>nyov I use remastersys right now.
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17:05<nyov>ok I don't know nothing about remastering
17:05<nyov>owner: if you can, just add the modified /etc/sysctl.conf in there
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17:05<owner>Well I'll remaster it and see how it turns out the first time. If ipv6 is a problem I'll fix it in the FinishInstall Script
17:05<owner>Thanks dude
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17:06<devil>ups, he is gone
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17:06<devil>i was gonnaask what JULinux does
17:07<babilen>I wonder what *really* caused that problem and how owner plans to support ipv6 :)
17:07<nyov>strange problems. how would ipv6 prevent ipv4 dns lookups, if his error line was correct that is
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17:07<devil>nyov: i have seen the problem before
17:08<nyov>babilen: he said his modem did the DNS server. i guess it's not that good
17:08<Marezz>Hi everyone :)
17:08<retrospectacus>hey Marezz, how's that Iceweasel 4 working for ya
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17:09<nyov>devil: me too, but the problem usually is then, that it tries to connect to an IPv6 ip and hangs there
17:09<Marezz>retrospectacus, I havent installed debian yet, im on the suse atm
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17:09<retrospectacus>Marezz: ok, and what are you asking about today?
17:09<devil>nyov: yep, i didnt follow from the beginnig, just saw your fix and remembered using it about a year ago
17:09<babilen>nyov: Installing a local resolver would probably have been a better fix, but well
17:09<Marezz>retrospectacus, I didnt ask anything :D
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17:10<nyov>babilen: true, i didn't think it would help. I would have tried that the next step. well, using google dns ip for a first check
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17:11<retrospectacus>Marezz: I know, that's why I asked.
17:11<babilen>nyov: yeah, no harm done.
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17:12<babilen>devil: Ah, you are not in #d-ot --
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17:12<nyov>actually, telling people to disable ipv6 isn't a nice solution in my opinion. but oh well
17:12<Marezz>retrospectacus, I wont ask anything cuz the way ppl react about it
17:13<nyov>Marezz: how would they react about it?
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17:13<Marezz>nyov, Who are you?
17:13<devil>babilen: i just tried to look at the webpage
17:13<nyov>Marezz: some bot
17:13<devil>babilen: didnt have my sunglasses at hand though
17:14<babilen>devil: don't expose yourself too long, but that page *had* to be linked to wrap this whole story up :)
17:14<Marezz>nyov, Heh.. :D It seemed like they got offended/angered somehow..
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17:15<devil>babilen: when he put remastersys and head developer in one sentence, i had to have a look.
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17:16<devil>Marezz: think about the concept of echoes
17:16<Marezz>devil, What do you mean?
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17:16<devil>Marezz: you really tried to be annoying last night
17:17<Marezz>devil, That wasnt my intention, there was alot of missunderstanding
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17:17<devil>Marezz: hint: its not a good idea to go to a debian support channel and state that all this is kinda old blah blah ;)
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17:18<Gehennom>does having ipv6 enabled + running lighttpd work out of the box yet?
17:18<Marezz>devil, Dont get me wrong, I like the idea of it and all its just there are few things that I like to be fresh.. :)
17:18<devil>Marezz: you should at least get yourself informed what debian (and derivates) are all about first
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17:20<Marezz>devil, I do but I only "scratch the surface" as I dont intend to get my hands "dirty" :)
17:20<devil>Marezz: either you use stable and inherit the concept of backports for newer packages or use one of the other flavours, like testing or unstable, which will make sense only if you learn some stuff and invest more time in maintenance than with stable. cant have everything
17:21<devil>Marezz: if you dont want to get your hands dirty, forget what i just said :)=
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17:22<Marezz>devil, I guess its ok occasionally :)
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17:22<devil>there is no 'occasionally' when running unstable. break it and you get to keep the pieces
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17:23<devil>so, its stable with backports for you.
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17:23<Marezz>devil, backports is a repo right? where can I see which software does it contain?
17:24<devil>Marezz: i have no idea, i never ran stable ;)
17:24<Marezz>thank you ompaul
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17:25<nyov>Marezz: actually, you might want to look here:
17:26<nyov>for an overview
17:26<Marezz>nyov, Thanks mate
17:28<Marezz>Hmm cant find gfx drivers in there
17:29<ballison>i'm seeing a weird bug. some screens let me slide my window to the right (next screen) and some screens do not. What would cause that?
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17:31<ballison>weird - restarted compiz and now it all works again. magic
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19:01<themill>!ubuntu-br natan
19:01<dpkg>natan: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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19:13<enod>could someone help me with wireless internet in debian 6.0? linux mint will use a hardware manager to install the b43 drivers and make the thing work... or it did at first
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19:14<enod>i think lspci is detecting it, but i cannot figure out how to make it show up in iwconfig
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19:15<streuner_>enod: why did you mention mint at all?
19:15<enod>cause it worked, and therefore might also work in debian?
19:15<enod>with fiddling of course
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19:15<streuner_>Is firmware installed of the b43?
19:16<diederik>Hi, I'm using sshfs to mount some dirs from my server into my home folder, but I suspect it to cause some issues
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19:16<streuner_>enod: /msg dpkg b43 - it might help
19:17<enod>yes well i installed and uninstalled b43, sta, and the wn311b driver with ndiswrapper in various combination
19:17<diederik>What are other options I could try to mount those dirs in my home folder?
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19:17<Dzzy>i keep getting the same error, SRST failed (errno=-16), this has happened on ArchLinux too, idk what it is, any ideas?
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19:19<enod>couldn't get wlan0 showing ever in iwconfig
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19:19<enod>was i missing steps after tht?
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19:21<kusanagi>I have a dual monitor. whenever I try to open something fullscreen, it says X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
19:21<kusanagi>anybody knows what can be the problem?
19:21<enod>hmm seems like i installed b43-fwcutter
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19:23<streuner_>enod: read
19:23<enod>please help, i don't like linux mint!
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19:26<przem>cześć, czy jest może osoba mowiaca po Polsku?
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19:27<dpkg>pl is probably polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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19:28<streuner_>przem: /j #debian-ol on or please just ask in english
19:28<enod>seems very familiar.. perhaps i lack some basic understanding in this regard.
19:28<przem>thanks dpkg.
19:28<przem>but #debian-pl channel is empty :(
19:28<streuner_>przem:, you are actually on (OFTC)
19:28<diederik>maybe time-of-day caused it?
19:29<streuner_>#debian-pl 42 Witaj na #debian-pl | to NIE JEST oficjalny kanal Debiana | UTF-8 i kultura | | Debian Stable: 6.0.0 "Squeeze" | Linux 2.6.37 | Repozytoria: | Statystyki kanału:
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19:30<streuner_>sure, in .pl its late too, but i guess he joined here (OFTC)
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19:31<przem>in pl is 1:30
19:31<przem>thanks you for help, good night
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19:32<aussa>while a system startup, there was a check test of the disk... I don't know if that was what caused it, but now I don't have the top bar of the desktop(the tray?)... how do I get it back? ty
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19:34<enod>ok so i think i broke my computer shrinking the debian partition, now apt-get says the destination drive is full and cannot install, even though i freed up 30 gb
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19:37<ml|>aussa: that was probably fsck, which checks your disks every 30 boots by default IIRC; dunno on the other stuff
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19:41<aussa>ml|: ok, then maybe fsck was not who cause it... I just want to know how do I recover my tray?
19:43<ml|>I doubt that was the cause, have you tried restarting you *dm?
19:45<aussa>how do I do that?
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19:46<diederik>aussa: have you tried logging out and back in again? Is it a re-occuring issue or just now?
19:46<ml|>/etc/init.d/gdm restart should do if using gnome
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19:47<markez>a todos
19:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:47<enod>firmware-b43-install is installed
19:47<enod>if that helps...
19:48<jhutchins_lt2>aussa: The default fsck doesn't change anything or try to fix errors, it just checks and reports.
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19:48<aussa>jhutchins_lt2: ok, sry, it is not the fsck
19:48<aussa>diederik: it is re-occuring I have restarted several times
19:48<dpkg>b43 is the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
19:49<jhutchins_lt2>aussa: I know you pretty much knew that already, just thought I'd confirm it.
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19:49<aussa>I have xfce, I looked for the panel in manager settings to add a new one, but it does not open
19:49<aussa>ok ty
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19:50<diederik>aussa: does it also happen when you create a new user and login as the new user?
19:51<aussa>I havent
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19:51<aussa>try thtat
19:51<enod>so yeah i got firmware-b43-installer and b43-fwcutter
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19:51<enod>neither make the internets work
19:52<jhutchins_lt2>enod: Can you do lspci -nn and get the 8 character ID for the card?
19:52<diederik>if you do try it, you can see if sth is wrong with your profile/user or if it's a system problem
19:53<dvs>enod: If you want to use the b43 driver, I'd follow the instructions in
19:53<aussa>ok, solve it... little google friend, sry wasting your time...
19:53<enod>i believe that would be 14e4:4329
19:53<aussa>don't know what caused it though
19:54<enod>i thought i tried to follow those directions, and ended up here...
19:54<ml|>judd: pciid 14e4:4329
19:54<judd>[14e4:4329] is 'BCM4321 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
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19:55<ml|>aussa: how did you fix it?
19:55<dvs>enod: Well, if that driver isn't working, I'd try the wl driver
19:56<dvs>Thats the only one that worked for me
19:56<[Awesome]engywucz>i just upgraded my testing installation
19:56<aussa>run: xfce4-panel... o_O, hahaha, again, sry wasting your time
19:56<[Awesome]engywucz>now I want to mount a cifs volume
19:56<ml|>aussa: ok, heh
19:56<[Awesome]engywucz>mount.cifs //buch/privat /media/buch
19:56<[Awesome]engywucz>error: mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system
19:56<dvs>enod: Oh wait, is this for a laptop
19:56<[Awesome]engywucz>and in dmesg the last entry becomes
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19:57<[Awesome]engywucz>[104289.872789] cifs: Unknown symbol _kstrtoul (err 0)
19:58<[Awesome]engywucz>is this a do-a-reboot problem because libc6 was updated (something I'm reluctant to do) or deeper?
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20:00<enod>no desktop
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20:04<enod>do i need to remove b43 first?
20:04<dvs>enod: yes
20:04<dvs>enod: well, the instructions include steps to blacklist it
20:05<enod>maybe easier
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20:07<enod>thing is, linux mint used b43 to make it work
20:07<enod>should there be a problem in debian?
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20:08<jhutchins_lt2>enod: That's one of the reasons mint isn't Debian.
20:08<dvs>enod: The developers and just getting a handle on initiating the card properly.
20:09<enod>ok i will try this wl
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20:11<enod>heh, um i can't find it
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20:12<enod>wait, lie
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20:18<enod>if i just got a different wireless card might i be spared all this?
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20:19<dvs>enod: It depends on what wireless chip is included on the card.
20:20<enod>well, i would find that wireless chip, do you have a suggestion for one easily obtained from a store?
20:21<dvs>enod: No, because NIC makers change their chips without changing model numbers
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20:23<enod>alright well thanks for all the help, i'm sure i'll be back!
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20:23<dvs>enod: you're not trying the wl driver/
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20:27<butters_>Hello, if there was a script I want to run after I startx, like changing the background of the root window, would that go in .xinitrc?
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20:36<ml|>you can use feh in .xinitrc to set the bg
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20:38<butters_>Thanks, but I also wanted to start conky, etc.
20:39<butters_>Unless thats possible with feh too?
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20:40<ml|>you can start what you need/want in ~/.xinitrc
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20:41<butters_>Well, I ask because I try to execute my script with what I want to start, then i exec dwm
20:41<butters_>but it doesnt seem to start conky or change the background, etc
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20:44<ml|>pastebin your .xinitrc to get more help
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20:49<ml|>not sure how dwm works, but usually you want exec *wm as the last thing to run
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20:51<Helel>someone can help me please
20:52<Planet8>How can I make the cpu turn down it's frequenzy/power consumption. On Lenny it was real easy using cpufreq_ondemand module, but thats not working on squeeze on the same hardware.
20:53<Helel>there are a script in your runlevel
20:53<Helel>i think its rc2
20:53<amphi_>Planet8: what governor is currently in use?
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20:53<Helel>your current runlevel
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20:54<Helel>search in /etc/rc2.d something like cpufrequtils
20:54<Helel>and then u know your governator
20:54<Helel>and you can set it by editing the script
20:55<amphi>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
20:55<Planet8>amphi "governor not available"
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20:56<Planet8>amphi, there is no cpufreq directory in cpu0
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20:56<amphi>Planet8: so perhaps the cpufreq modules are not loaded
20:56<Helel>Planet8, it's normal, only a few machines have that directory
20:56<Helel>you can load the module manualy
20:58<amphi>Helel: eh? how does cpufrequtils or whatever it is, set the governor?
20:58<amphi>in that case
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20:58<Planet8>When I try to load the module manually like cpufreq_ondemand, I get Module not found
20:58<Helel>amphi, I'm from 2.6.38, wheezy-sid, I've got a wlan card and a normal dsl modem, I need to share my internet connection using my wlan card on all machines that uses wireless on my home but I never used wireless before
20:58<Helel>can you help me ? :)
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20:59<Helel>03:06.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2760 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R Cardbus
20:59<amphi>Helel: if the wlan card driver supports AP mode, you can make the machine an access point
20:59<Helel>that's my card :)
20:59<Planet8>Doing a module -l I only get powersave, userspace, conservative, but not ondemand
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20:59<Helel>thank you amphi, you're great
21:00<Helel>now I will search documentation for making my machine as an access point
21:00<amphi>Helel: otherwise, look for a howto for creating an ad-hoc wireless netork, it is quite simple
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21:01<amphi>Helel: then configure the machine as a router, and set its wlan ip as the defaulot gateway for other machines on the lan
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21:02<Helel>I've found that howto, I think its what I was searching for:
21:02<Helel>it's ok, right ' :)
21:02<amphi>Helel: it might be worth running dnsmasq caching dns forwarder on the router, and set other machines to use the router as name server
21:03<Helel>like sharing my machine as a gw on a LAN through dhcp, yeah it seems simpleq
21:03<amphi>Helel: try
21:03<Helel>thank you amphi
21:03<amphi>dnsmasq has a dhcp server if I recall correctly
21:04<ml|>yes it does
21:04<Max1>Hi guys, I got a router which has Gbit interfaces so I changed the integrated lan interface (motherboard) to eth1 and set a PCI card (Gbit) as eth0. The problem is that the PCI cards is not receiving an IP.. and after a "ipconfig -a", the MAC address of the PCI card is "00:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff" - I've tried a "ifconfig eth0 up"... and I got a "can't assign address" message. Any idea ?
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21:05<Helel>yes it is, I'm reading now the man page
21:05<amphi>Planet8: right, ondemand is built in to the kernel
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21:05<amphi>Planet8: is acpi_cpufreq module loaded?
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21:07<Max1>any idea?
21:07<Planet8>amphi, no it's not
21:07<amphi>Planet8: try modprobe-ing it, perhaps
21:08<Planet8>amphi, then I get "FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device"
21:08<amphi>Planet8: or are other cpufreq modules loaded already?
21:08<Planet8>when I do a lsmod grep I get the conservative, userspace, powersave and stats modules
21:09<ml|>Planet8: I get the same from lsmod
21:10<Planet8>what has happened to ondemand then? that was the one I used to use and the cpu would scale down
21:10<ml|>but cpufreq-info reports that I'm using ondemand
21:10<amphi>Planet8: it's odd that you don't have the cpufreq directory I mentioned
21:10<Planet8>I get "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU"
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21:12<ml|>Planet8: what cpu?
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21:14<Planet8>actually I have just noticed I have the same problem on another machine too. The one I upgraded from lenny and where I used to use ondemand is a P4, the other one is a Pentium D.
21:15<ml|>and ondemand worked before?
21:15<Planet8>on the p4 yes
21:16<ml|>try loading p4_clockmod
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21:19<Planet8>that did something.. cpufreq-info now displays possible frequenzy steps, but it is run by the performance module
21:19<Planet8>"available cpufreq governors: userspace, powersave, conservative, ondemand, performance"
21:19<ml|>now try loading ondemand
21:20<Planet8>I still get "FATAL: Module cpufreq_ondemand not found."
21:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 473] by debhelper
21:21<ml|>with modprobe cpufreq_ondemand ?
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21:22<ml|>hmm, are you it worked before?
21:22<Planet8>It's the same on both machines.
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21:22<Planet8>loading the p4_clockmod made cpufreq-info work and display the different governors, but ondemand wont load.
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21:23<Planet8>Should ondemand not be listet when using modprobe -l?
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21:23<amphi>Planet8: it's probably builtt in to your kernel
21:24<ml|>that needs to be loaded before any of the governors will work as you can see; but I'm out of ideas as to why ondemand fails
21:24<amphi>Planet8: grep -i ondemand /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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21:25<Planet8>on both machines
21:25<Planet8>cpufreq-info says: "current policy: frequency should be within 325 MHz and 2.60 GHz.
21:25<Planet8> The governor "performance" may decide which speed to use within this range."
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21:25<Planet8>Also "available frequency steps: 325 MHz, 650 MHz, 975 MHz, 1.30 GHz, 1.63 GHz, 1.95 GHz, 2.28 GHz, 2.60 GHz"
21:25<amphi>Planet8: can you set it to conservative?
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21:26<ml|>Planet8: try.. echo ondemand | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
21:26<Planet8>doing a "modprobe cpufreq_conservative" no errors, but when I look in cpufreq-info, it's still "perfomance" thats running
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21:27<Planet8><ml|>, does that require a reboot then?
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21:28<Planet8>"performance" is still running the show.
21:29<Planet8>gonna get some tee..
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21:30<ml|>Planet8: mind try one last thing?, will require a reboot tho?
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21:32<Planet8>tea of course :)
21:32<Planet8>no not at all
21:32<chealer>Planet8: which desktop environment do you use?
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21:32<Planet8>on the p4 its kde4, on the P D its vnc with xfce4
21:33<ml|>Planet8: sorry my last idea won't work
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21:33<Planet8><ml|>, you have been very helpful thanks!
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21:34<chealer>Planet8: on KDE 4, do you have the Battery Monitor widget?
21:34<ml|>np, but it should be working _sigh_
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21:35<Planet8>chealer, no, but you just made me look in the power management in system settings
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21:36<chealer>Planet8: right, that's related to the Battery Monitor widget, which will tell you which Power Profile you're on
21:36<Planet8>chealer, that's the "power devil" module you're refering too right?
21:37<Planet8>If it is, that's turned off, not running
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21:43<chealer>Planet8: I'm not referring to the daemon, but a widget that uses it
21:43<Planet8>alright, but the daemon has to be running in order for the widget to work. In my case the daemon is off.
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21:44<chealer>Planet8: unless the widget starts it, presumably. do you know how to add a widget?
21:45<ml|>Planet8: try purging cpufrequtils package and installing it again
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21:45<Planet8>yes, but i'm not using that widget, and the daemon is not running, so it's not that
21:45<Planet8><ml|>, will do that
21:46<chealer>Planet8: add the Battery Monitor widget and tell us which Power Profile is in use
21:46<Planet8>chealer, I don't think you understand. When the daemon isn't running, it doesn't matter.
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21:47<chealer>Planet8: well, even if you don't want to use the daemon, if that fixes it, you'll have a clue this is not a kernel issue or something
21:47<Planet8><ml|>, when I re-install I get "CPUFreq Utilities: Setting ondemand CPUFreq governor...CPU0...CPU1...done.", when I then look at cpufreq-info, it's back to performance.
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21:48<ml|>hmm, weird
21:48<Planet8><ml|>, very
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21:48<ml|>try chealer's suggestion
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21:49<Planet8>without the cpufrequtils installed then?
21:50<ml|>I'd leave it
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21:52<Planet8>I've enabled the daemon, inserted the widget and used "extreme powersave", looking at cpufreq-utils, performance is still running.
21:52<Planet8>I think I'm gonna file this as a bug since I ca reproduce the problem on 2 difference machines.
21:53<ml|>yes, since it worked before'
21:53<Planet8>okay.. thanks all for all your help!
21:54<ml|>make sure to include all the things you tried, np
21:54<Planet8>will do
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22:11<aktiv[b]>i need a new kernel >= 2.6.32-30, any general recommendations/pitfalls?
22:11<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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22:15<aktiv[b]>dvs: not needed, no
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22:16<dvs>aktiv[b]: So... you don't need a newer kernel?
22:16<aktiv[b]>i dont need pae support
22:16<dvs>Oh, I was just wondering why the pae version was selected by judd
22:17<aktiv[b]>what does the parenteses mean in the listing ?
22:17<chealer>dvs: looks like it's set to look at the 686 image
22:17<dvs>aktiv[b]: If you're running Debian 6.0 then you can use the backport kernel
22:17<chealer>aktiv[b]: hum... what kind of recommendation do you expect?
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22:19<aktiv[b]>chealer: sorta what judd just listed, a what the debian community considers stable
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22:23<chealer>aktiv[b]: oh. well, which Debian suite do you use?
22:25<chealer>aktiv[b]: unless you have a reason to, we would recommend using your suite's version (currently 2.6.32-31)
22:25<chealer>s/to/not to/
22:25<aktiv[b]>i am currently using 2.6.32-5-amd64
22:26<chealer>aktiv[b]: the parenthesis has the package version (of the linux-2.6 package in this case)
22:26<aktiv[b]>i need >= 2.6.32-30 because of some problems with RLT8111/8168B / 10ex:8168 rev 03
22:27<Gerowen> Question, I have a customer's computer with Windows 7 Home Premium. The logon password she gave me isn't working. My old copies of ERD and BartPE don't support SATA drives, and I removed the hard drive, plugged it in via USB and tried using chntpw, and although it "says" it worked when I cleared the password, when I put the hard drive back in the account is still password protected. Tried starting in Safe Mode with command promp
22:27<Gerowen>t so I could use "net user", but the command line apparently doesn't open until you log in. She isn't answering her phone to clarify the password, anybody have any suggestions?
22:27<dvs>aktiv[b]: even after installing the firmware-ralink package?
22:27<dvs>Gerowen: and you're asking here because...?
22:27<Gerowen>No answer in offtopic
22:27<Gerowen>Seems kind of empty
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22:28<quant>Gerowen, this is Debian support
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22:29<gsimmons>aktiv[b]: Fixes for a r8169 regression (corrected at linux-2.6 2.6.32-32) are available in stable-proposed-updates ; /msg dpkg proposed-updates
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22:30<aktiv[b]>gsimmons: ok
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22:39<aktiv[b]>if i add the proposed-updates repo to sources.list, will apt update packages from that repo over 'stable', or do i have to be explicit about that ?
22:41<chealer>aktiv[b]: it will update, unless you would have specified stable as a preference
22:42<chealer>!beer gsimmons
22:42*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Green Flash IPA for gsimmons
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22:57<aktiv[b]>aptitude search -t stable-proposed-updates headers
22:58<aktiv[b]>why does this not list the 32-32 headers ?
23:01<gsimmons>aktiv[b]: It's there: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 and variants. Use "apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64" to verify the available version (currently 2.6.32-34 in s-p-u).
23:03<fluffie>is there a package for managing a voip network, i.e. registering users & connecting them up?
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23:06<aktiv[b]>apt-cache policy lists candidate 2.6.32-31
23:07<dvs>aktiv[b]: and no others?
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23:13<fluffie>is that a 'no' to my question?
23:13<aktiv[b]>fluffie: that is a confirmation of no other candidates in listing
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23:13<chealer>!tell aktiv[b] about bat
23:13<dvs>aktiv[b]: I'd run aptitude update
23:14<aktiv[b]>dvs: i have
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23:17<aktiv[b]>i figured it out
23:17<aktiv[b]>i now have two listings :)
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23:25<aktiv[b]>ok, so when i tell aptitude now to install linux-headers-2.6-amd64, it lists that it wil install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64, but it will install 2.6.32-34 ?
23:26<sney>the -5 is the debian extra version, -34 sounds right for upstream
23:26<sney>judd: kernels
23:26<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
23:26<sney>oh, it's probably -31 actually
23:26<dvs>sney: he wants the proposed updates one
23:27<sney>well, provided proposed updates is in his sources.list, apt-cache policy will provide that answer
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23:29<aktiv[b]>so when i get 32-5 (32-34) now, it will not be the same as getting 32-34 from, because there are debian extras ?
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23:29<aktiv[b]>and those extras are then extra to 32-34 from, not 32-05 from ?
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23:44<chealer>sney: -34 is the Debian revision of Linux 2.6.32
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23:45<chealer>it's simple - linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 2.6.32-31 is
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23:47<aktiv[b]>chealer: is that in reply to my question before i booted ?
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23:48<chealer>aktiv[b]: oh, that last message was a joke, but I was telling sney: -34 is the Debian revision of Linux 2.6.32
23:49<chealer>aktiv[b]: to answer your question, has no 32-34
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23:50<chealer>odd, I don't see an upstream, only
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23:51*chealer didn't realize these subminor releases get that high nowadays
23:51<chealer>aktiv[b]: nor any "32-05"
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23:52<aktiv[b]>i just don't get the system
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23:53<aktiv[b]>uname -a gives me 32-5, which apparently was 32-31, which i just updated to 32-34, so uname -a still lists 32-5
23:53<chealer>no surprise, that's what I was joking about
23:53<aktiv[b]>why like this
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23:54<aktiv[b]>still got my networking problem as well
23:55<chealer>aktiv[b]: has some explanations on the versions, maybe not 100% complete
23:55<chealer>aktiv[b]: it's not that complicated, but you first need to understand the normal Debian package versioning scheme
23:56<chealer>aktiv[b]: if you don't know the [normal] versioning scheme, see
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23:59<aktiv[b]>chealer: cheers
23:59<chealer>aktiv[b]: getting Linux from will indeed give you something different than getting it from Debian. there are "Debian extras", or rather differences, which could be "extras", just changes, or even removals.
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