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---Logopened Thu May 19 00:00:55 2011
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00:11<aktiv[b]>any tips on what packages to install for problems with Realtek RTL8111/8168B Ethernet ( 10ec:8168 rev03 )
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00:36<chealer>akerl: which problems?
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00:41<CyberCalm> /j #debian-offtopic
00:41<CyberCalm>-_- oops
00:41<CyberCalm>sorry folks
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00:47<aktiv[b]>ok, i now have firmware files, how do i load modules ?
00:48<aktiv[b]>meaning: how do i find the mapping between firmware filenames and module names
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00:53<chealer>aktiv[b]: you load modules with modprobe, but... you don't load firmware directly
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00:54<ultra-brite>comment vas tu yau de poelle
00:54<ultra-brite>et toi lamatelas
00:55<aktiv[b]>chealer: i know
00:55<aktiv[b]>what i dont know is how i load the firmware
00:55<ultra-brite>comme tu vois ture abras
00:55<aktiv[b]>so i can blacklist the module in the kernel, which is not working, and load a module from the firmware, which hopefully does
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01:00<aktiv[b]> lists module name: r8169.ko, realtek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, mapped to the files rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw and rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw
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01:01<aktiv[b]>both of which i have in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic, after installing the realtek-firmware package
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01:04<aktiv[b]>now, does firmware replace modules, or does firmware have unique module names
01:04<jm_>some cards managed by r8169 don't need a firmware - are you sure yours does?
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01:06<aktiv[b]>yes, it is not working, and it did not work during debian install, and it did not work with ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04
01:06<aktiv[b]>this started after i installed win7 for dual boot
01:07<aktiv[b]>there are several bugreports about this
01:07<chealer>aktiv[b]: you don't load a module from firmware, and fiemware does not replace modules
01:07<gsimmons>aktiv[b]: Such as?
01:08<jm_>some of the r8169 bugs were fixed in newer vesion of debian's 2.6.32 kernel
01:08<aktiv[b]>i have just installed the 2.6.32-34
01:10<aktiv[b]>chealer: ok. what is the relationship between firmware, modules and drivers?
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01:16<chealer>sorry akerl
01:16<chealer>aktiv[b]: which problems do you have with the card?
01:17<chealer>aktiv[b]: did you reboot after upgrading your Linux?
01:18<chealer>aktiv[b]: drivers may be contained in modules. drivers may require firmware.
01:18<aktiv[b]>chealer: yes, i rebooted
01:18<aktiv[b]>the card does not communicate
01:18<aktiv[b]>dhcp does not work
01:18<aktiv[b]>static ip does not work
01:18<aktiv[b]>ifconfig lists the card, with interrupt:31
01:19<chealer>!doesn't work
01:19<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
01:22<aktiv[b]>ifconfig eth0: RX packets: 0 errors: 0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 etc etc, all packets 0, all errors 0, Interrupt: 31
01:23<aktiv[b]>whether i set it up with /etc/network/interfaces, gnome-network-manager or wicd
01:23<aktiv[b]>whether i set it up for dhcp or static ip
01:23<aktiv[b]>beyond that, there are no error messages
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01:24<cahoot>unload/reload the relevant module and read the last 10-20 lines of dmesg - any complaints?
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01:26<aktiv[b]>unable to apply firmware patch
01:27<cahoot>at least a startingpoint - good luck
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01:31<gmarselis>hey guys, i need an "enterprisey" white paper to show why one should install debian and not redhat. i got a d*ckwar going on in the central it department: they are demanding that we should switch over to redhat, because "ibm said so"
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01:32<jm_>!why debian
01:32<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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01:33<gmarselis>jm_: yeah, i got a single powerpoint presentation of all that. but they are still asking me for a "white paper" that his not a "blog entry"
01:34<jm_>gmarselis: ahh, managers, can't help with that I'm affraid
01:34<gmarselis>i mean, i still got the upper hand.
01:34<gmarselis>i got all the arguments pat. even turned it against them saying "ok, what are you winning by going rhel? stale software?"
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01:44<aktiv[b]>gmarselis: do you all have debian installed now ?
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01:50<darius_w>I can't get resolutions above 1280x... on i5 2400 / H61 integrated video. display native resolution is 1920x1200. xorg.0.log here:
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01:52<gmarselis>aktiv[b]: yeah, i do.
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01:53<aktiv[b]>gmarselis: yeah but your it dept
01:53<aktiv[b]>because you need to show your managers a number: switching costs
01:54<aktiv[b]>which will be substantial if your dept is big, and everyone is running debian as of now
01:54<gmarselis>dirty tactics :(
01:54<gmarselis>but yeah, i get ya
01:54<gmarselis>i got 20k cores
01:54<gmarselis>200+ nodes running on debian.
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01:55<gmarselis>this is not about which os to chose, this is a power struggle who gets to run the machine.
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01:57<aktiv[b]>it's not dirty tactics, it's communicating in their language :)
01:59<darius_w>and dpkg shows xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.13.0-6 installed
02:00<darius_w>and im forgot to mention, my resolution problem is on the squeeze
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02:00<jm_>darius: it's using vesa driver
02:01<darius_w>shouldm't it use intel driver? if not, can vesa driver produce 1920x1200 resolution?
02:02<jm_>you probably need a newer kernel than 2.6.32 for SB CPU
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02:02<jm_>not sure how intel driver fits into it, but that may need a newer version too
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02:03<jm_>there's 2.6.38-bpo.2 in squeeze backports
02:04<darius_w>cant install becouse of missing dependencies...
02:04<jm_>can't install what?
02:04<darius_w>new kernel from backports
02:05<darius_w>linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-31 is to be installed
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02:06<jm_>linux-base 3.2 is available on backports too
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02:08<jm_>check apt-cache policy linux-base
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02:10<darius_w>100 for backports and 500 for default mirror
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02:11<darius_w>how can i select what to install ?
02:12<jm_>the key point being -t squeeze-backports
02:13<darius_w>sudo apt-get -t debian-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 gives same message
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02:14<jm_>add linux-base to the list of packages to install
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02:14<darius_w>before i press Yes, is it impossible to get 1920x1200 resolution?
02:15<jm_>i don't understand your question
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02:16<darius_w>as xorg.0.log says there is vesa driver used, and the problem is i cant get 1920x1200 resolution. is it a single way to solve vis problem is to upgrade to testing kernel?
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02:19<jm_>first of all, upgrading the kernel is not guaranteed to resolve your issues. second, it's the kernel from backports, not from testing. third, I belive VBE only goes to 1280x1024
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02:19<streuner_>yes, VESA is limited to 1280
02:19<jm_>actually it seems 1600 is common not although not defined in standard
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02:20<jm_>heh and then there's vga= kernel option which apparently mentions 1900x1200 too
02:20<jm_>but is not guaranteed to work
02:21<jm_>or supports instead of mentions I guess
02:21<darius_w>should i create /etc/modprobe.d/vesa.conf with vga option ?
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02:23<jm_>getting KMS working is your best bet
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02:24<darius_w>restarting x
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02:26<streuner_>jm_: he cannot just get the intel driver to work?
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02:27<jm_>streuner_: he's using squeeze but his CPU is very new so I suspect kernel/intel driver upgrade will fix it, so I recommended to install 2.6.38 from back[prts
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02:29<darius_w>(II) VESA(0): h_active: 1920 h_sync: 1968 h_sync_end 2000 h_blank_end 2080 h_border: 0
02:29<darius_w>(II) VESA(0): v_active: 1200 v_sync: 1203 v_sync_end 1209 v_blanking: 1235 v_border: 0
02:29<darius_w>does that does not mean anything in xorg.0.log ?
02:30<jm_>it means monitor reports that is its native resolution
02:30<darius_w>i see..
02:30<darius_w>upgrading then..
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02:34<darius_w>jm_: what should i do about that warning?
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02:34<darius_w>im a bit affraid to reboot now ;)
02:36<darius_w>linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 : Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.38 but it is not installable
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02:37<streuner_>judd, versions virtualbox-ose
02:37<judd>Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.4-dfsg-2
02:37<jm_>darius_w: is there no linux-kbuild-2.6.38 package on bpo?
02:37<streuner_>darius_w: do you need that package at all?
02:37<streuner_>darius_w: virtualbox-ose
02:38<darius_w>yes, i need virtualboc..
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02:39<jm_>darius_w: apparently using linux-kbuild-2.6.38 from wheezy works
02:41<streuner_>judd, versions linux-kbuild-2.6.38
02:41<judd>Package linux-kbuild-2.6.38 on i386 -- sid: 2.6.38-1; wheezy: 2.6.38-1
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02:42<darius_w>everything from stable, kernel from backports and kbuild from testing..
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02:42<darius_w>oh.. wheezy is unstable...
02:43<darius_w>i thought sid is testing..
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02:43<@weasel>sid never is testing.
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02:45<streuner_>darius_w: just for the record, what happens if you using a LIVE-CD (Knoppix or grml)?
02:46<darius_w>old knopix does not start x at all
02:46<streuner_>whats old? 6.4?
02:46<jm_>darius_w: note that kernel alone might not be enough and you would possibly need newer xserver-xorg-video-intel too
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02:47<streuner_>that makes the issue even more interesting, because it should usually switch to VESA then...
02:47<darius_w>ghmm.. have ubuntu 10.04 cd i think, should i test it?
02:49<darius_w>so if i reboot now only vbox wont work?
02:50<ferni>hmm, if put iface wlan0 inet dhcp ; wireless-essid somessid , then ifup wlan0 should connect to that non encrypted network?
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02:52<ferni>to interfaces file ^
02:53<ferni>but it fails, if i tell it to use wpa supplicant like iface wlan0 inet dhcp ; wpa-ssid somessid ; wpa-keymgmt NONE , then ifup wlan0 works
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02:53<ferni>so there is a bug in squeeze?
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02:56<darius_w>got the correct resolution, but dragging window is ... amm.. slow on refresh.. it drags in blocks... (all effects is turned off)
02:57<darius_w>i see then desktop redraws.. it takes something like 500-800ms from top to bottom
02:59<darius_w>and xorg.0.log shows a lot of intel now insted of vesa
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03:00<jm_>darius_w: this probably means you need to update other things too I guess
03:02<darius_w>so simply add wheeze mirror and do update/upgrade ?
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03:02<darius_w>it showed that allmost 500 packages would be upgraded ;/
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03:06<jm_>yes, that's normal for wheezy now
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03:10<darius__w>and what about backports? should i rename it to wheezy ?
03:10<jm_>don't think there are backports for wheezy, just comment it out for now
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03:46<darius_w>upgrade to wheezy did not helped with the refresh issuse...
03:46<darius_w>it still takes about a seccond to refresh whole screen
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03:48<jm_>darius_w: then check BTS
03:48<darius_w>any more sugestions?
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03:50<c0re>how do i fix my clock its on Pacific America/LA but its in Australia??
03:50<c0re>sorry for the
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03:52<jm_>!tell darius_w -about bts
03:52<jm_>c0re: you mean change timezone?
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03:52<jm_>!tell darius__w -about bts
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03:54<darius__w>i not sure what package it is and even how to describe it ;)
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03:56<bluewater>c0re: from memory dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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03:56<JaX>hey hey
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04:03<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
04:03<mario>help me
04:04<jm_>darius__w: so try using BTS' search feature to see where others have submitted such issues
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04:07<c0re>bluewater: universal time is correct. but local time is still off
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04:09<devil>c0re: check what is set in your BIOS
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04:11<wooster>i just installed wheezy on a thinkpad x61 and xserver-xorg and the intel video driver, when i start up X my keyboard and mouse do not respond to input
04:11<wooster>am i missing something?
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04:12<devil>wooster: do you have a /run dir?
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04:12<c0re>bios is fine
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04:12<wooster>i do
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04:13<jankidudel>hi, my skype microphonse isn't working, can someone help me ?
04:13<devil>wooster: and you are positive, you are on wheezy and not unstable?
04:13<wooster>pretty sure?
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04:13<devil>wooster: well, its very important in this case.
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04:14<wooster>wheezy, yes
04:14<devil>wooster: you need to delete /run. on wheezy it will fix your issues, on sid it would b0rk your system useless
04:14<devil>so, delete, reboot, enjoy
04:14<c0re>wait why would my local time think its in aus
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04:16<wooster>thanks devil!
04:16<devil>wooster: thank me when you're back :)
04:16<wooster>it worked
04:16<devil>oh, ok, as expected :)
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04:20<wooster>also, my sound does not work, i'm not sure even where to start
04:20<jankidudel>how could help me with debian mic sound ?
04:20<jankidudel>who could help me with debian mic sound ?
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04:22<wooster>how do i set up sound on a fresh, bare debian wheezy install?
04:22<darius__w>jm_: will buy nvidia some geforce 128MB and hope that will work ok ;)
04:22<c0re>can i update my clock? or switch to universal time
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04:23<devil>wooster: check alsamixergui (unmute, pull up)
04:23<jankidudel>Juck kick me out from here :DD::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DD:D
04:23<jankidudel>if you cant help
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04:31<devil>jankidudel: whats wrong with you? if someone can help, they will. i never touched skype and never will
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04:32<jankidudel>devil, I just started to use debian , and its getting little bit overhead to configurete all stuff :)
04:32<jankidudel>devil, so I'm a little bit nervous
04:32<jankidudel>devil, so easy things, so hard to make
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04:32<devil>jankidudel: take your time. once done, you have a customised system
04:33<devil>jankidudel: skype ishard because its proprietary. not debians fault.
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04:33<wooster>okay i installed alsa-base{a} alsa-utils linux-sound-base{a}, turned up my pcm level
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04:33<wooster>still silence
04:33<jankidudel>devil, ok, but skype is de-facto standard in business and so onn, so it's hard without it :)
04:34<wooster>i think pcspkr is my 0th audio device possibly (which is odd cause i blacklisted pcspkr)
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04:34<Arrowmaster>i dont think pcspkr can be an audio device in alsa
04:34<devil>wooster: some cards need pcm and master
04:35<wooster>those are both up
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04:36<devil>wooster: please pastebin cat /proc/asound/cards and cat /proc/asound/modules
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04:38<devil>hm, pcspkr is first device
04:39<devil>wooster: you could touch a asoundrc to fix that.
04:40<devil>i need to run though, later.
04:40<jm_>you didn't blacklist it properly
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04:40<jm_>just set index=1 for pcspkr module or whatever
04:41<wooster>i think i fixed it by restarting
04:41<wooster>after installing those packages
04:41<wooster>well fixed the soundcard index
04:41<wooster>still no audio coming out
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04:42<jm_>modules need to be reloaded for index option to have an effect
04:43<jm_>I noticed I need to set levels to 90+ to hear anything in Linux with on-board sound
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04:44<jankidudel>alternative for skype voice ?
04:45<jankidudel>*I mean voie calls.
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04:52<devil>jankidudel: ekiga, jitsi
04:53<jankidudel>devil, thanks buddy :)
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05:27<cinix>Does anyone know how to replace a hard drive with LUKS? I'm using a laptop with a USB enclosure to copy the data
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05:33<rpetre>cinix: what do you mean, replace?
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05:34<rpetre>(i use luks on my laptop and did a few tricks with it, including changing the disk, but i am not sure what your scenario is)
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05:34<cinix>I mean I'm going to take out the old one and put in the new one that is larger.
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05:34<cinix>I tried to dd it, but I had a problem getting it to boot. My thought at the time was it was confused about the volume id's changing
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05:35<rpetre>um, you boot from a non-luks volume, no?
05:36<rpetre>have you updated /etc/crypttab and rebuilt the initramfs?
05:36<cinix>none of those things
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05:36<rpetre>well, you gotta :)
05:37<cinix>:) there's the UUID!
05:37<rpetre>lmk if that fixed your problem
05:37<cinix>thanks, now I have to go dig out a boot cd and try it out
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05:38<rpetre>about resizing, you'll need to use cryptsetup resize at some point
05:38<rpetre>make sure you start from the bottom up
05:39<rpetre>in my case i had to first enlarge the partition from fdisk, then the crypt volume, then the vg, then the volumes inside it, then the filesystems
05:39<rpetre>(i have lvm over luks)
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05:40<rpetre>s/vg/pv/ , there is no such thing as vgresize :)
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05:42<cinix>so I guess my plan is to dd the hard drive, mount the new copy THEN change the UUID, and update-initramfs. when that works do the resizing process
05:42<rpetre>cinix: you can dd just the luks container
05:43<rpetre>just make sure you put the right device in the crypttab then update-initramfs
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05:43<cinix>okay, partition the new drive first, then do it. alright
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05:43<rpetre>i have several other partitions on my disk so i avoided dding it all
05:44<rpetre>just make sure you have the target partition at least as big as the source one, lol ;)
05:45<cinix>rebooting to try it out, thanks
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05:54<delliott>Hi, I am having a problem with text leaking between applications, as shown here I am running Debian Wheezy with gdm as my display manager and an Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller. Does anyone know what could be causing this problem? It happens when I switch between applications or virtual desktops.
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07:22<nicked>any one here !
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07:22<alvin>Look in the list of nicks. It's just full of people!
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07:23<Zalzer>Anybody here who have problems with php 5.3 after upgrading to squeeze, more preicsely, problem with using ini_set('memory_limit', '512M') inline in a script
07:25<Zalzer>for some reason the memory limit set in my php.ini overrides what I set in my script
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07:26<@weasel>that only makes good sense I'd guess.
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07:28<Lantizia>hey what package gives me the fonts normally found in /usr/share/fonts/X11/ ?
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07:28<jm_>many packages
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07:29<Lantizia>jm_, well I don't even have "fixed" in there, only "truetype" and it's causing issues with tightvncserver
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07:30<Lantizia>hell I don't have the X11 directory in that fonts dir at all... let alone "fixed" inside that
07:30<@weasel>the docs suggest that one can set it anywhere however.
07:30<Lantizia>yet I have X11, lxde and xinit installed
07:30<jm_>Lantizia: xfonts-base should provide fixed
07:31<Lantizia>jm_, cool thanks - will give it a try
07:31<Lantizia>working now :)
07:31<jm_>no worries
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07:47<patrykr>I have debian server with dhcp with routing configured and I have a problem. I can't access https pages from lan computers. What can be wrong?
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07:54<io_>ciao a tutti
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07:55<ferni>patrykr: if we assume that the https server is listening on all interfaces, then are you going to access the https page with lan ip or the wan ip?
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08:08<patrykr>ferni: I have 443 port open at both interfaces. I can access https sites from server using w3m, but cant from lan
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08:09<petemc>patrykr: if you telnet host 443 from the problem machine what happens?
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08:11<arand>How can I subscribe to bug mail for a certain package? Does that happen automatically if I'm set as the last uploader for that package?
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08:13<ferni>patrykr: I mean do you try to access the server by its domain name and is it pointing to its external addess? Can you telnet to servers lan ip 443
08:14<patrykr>petemc: I cant telnet my server from lan: Cant connect with host at port 443
08:15<petemc>patrykr: when you say cant connect, what do you mean exactly?
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08:16<patrykr>I can Telnet to https webpages from LAN
08:16<jm_>heh you said you can and can't connect
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08:17<patrykr>jm_: can't to my debian server
08:17<arand>Hmm, nevermind my earlier Q, just found it on the PTS, as I expected in the first place :/
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08:17<jm_>patrykr: find the route your packets take to it
08:18<patrykr>I thought I should telnet my server
08:18<jm_>patrykr: mentioning the error is also useful sometimes
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08:19<patrykr>Traceroute going to end, no *
08:19<jm_>then run tcpdump on the server and see what happens
08:20<patrykr>Tcpdump in lan or wan interface?
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08:20<jm_>well wherever the packets should come on, but perhaps the issue is it goes via WAN with an internal IP
08:21<jm_>in fact you can check both interfaces\
08:21<ferni>can you or can you not telnet from lan to servers lan ip port 443, not by its name, by its ip
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08:22<ferni>if you are trying to connect by its name to wan ip from, it will not work
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08:22<patrykr>ferni: I'd try to: telnet 443.. It works
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08:23<ferni>did i just say ip address or not or domain ?..
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08:24<patrykr>ferni: what should I see after telnet connection?
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08:25<petemc>Connected to...
08:25<ferni>it should say Connected to ..
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08:26<patrykr>So... I have black screen after telnet https_by_ip 443
08:27<plexosolar>hi everyone!
08:28<plexosolar>can somebody help me?
08:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
08:28<plexosolar>i wanna now what is the ftp server of debian
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08:29<hgt>is the Perl problem finally solved?
08:30<patrykr>jm_: what I should look for in that tcpdump?
08:30<gmarselis>plantigrade: there are no "defaults" in debian
08:30<gmarselis>hgt: which perl problem?
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08:31<gmarselis>plantigrade: pick an ftp server you are comfortable with
08:31<plexosolar>what ftp server is installed by default in debian squezee?
08:31<Marezz>Hello everyone
08:31<gmarselis>no ftp server is installed by default in debian squeeze
08:31<hgt><gmarselis>: ... Perl transition problem ...
08:32<hgt><gmarselis>: You should have noticed it (unless you are using stable)
08:32<ferni>gmarselis: well, exim as mta :)
08:32<plexosolar>ok thanks!
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08:32<gmarselis>ferni: not even. exim is not installed all the time. for example if you do not install the desktop, exim4 does not get installed
08:32<plantigrade>gmarselis: tab fail maybe ?
08:33<plexosolar>any recomendation for ftp server?
08:33<gmarselis>plantigrade: yeah, sorry.
08:33<plantigrade>no problem
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08:33<jm_>patrykr: start by checking if packets come in
08:33<ferni>plexosolar: vsftpd, proftpd
08:33<gmarselis>hgt: yeah, i am mostly running squeeze.
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08:35<patrykr>jm_: ok
08:35<plexosolar>sorry by my english, I'm from Argentina, my english is poor
08:36<gmarselis>no problemo, senior
08:37<gmarselis>or seniora
08:37<dpkg>methinks espaniol is wetback speak
08:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:37<plexosolar>ok thanks!
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08:39<delliott>Hi, I asked this question a few hours ago but nobody was around to answer. I am having a problem with text leaking between applications, as shown here I am running Debian Wheezy with gdm as my display manager and an Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller. Does anyone know what could be causing this problem? It happens when I switch between applications or virtual desk
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08:42<patrykr>jm_: it looks like packect has been recived. When I try to enter https webside from webbrowser I see that browser downloading something and stop at
08:42<plexosolar>I'm back, anyone answer me on #debian-es
08:43<mrg>I have a Debian machine (Machine1) with a static IP. I have installed samba and created a share to one of the drives. I can view the contents of the share through a Windows XP VM (Machine3) on my Debian machine (Machine2) using the host name. But when I attempt to access the share on (Machine2) using the host name it does not resolve. Is there a way round this so I don't have to add a host entry on every Linux machine?
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08:43<jm_>patrykr: is this for your domain?
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08:44<patrykr>For example skype login site stops at
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08:48<jm_>so your problem is for third party sites, not for a server you manage?
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08:51<patrykr>jm_: but I can open those siter when I connect before debian server
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08:53<patrykr>jm_: its 100% my debian router fault
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08:54<jm_>patrykr: what does "connect before debian server" mean?
08:54<patrykr>jm_: I'd try to redirect 443 port to squid and now I can access some https sites but I recive SSL error
08:55<patrykr>I have: modem with router ->debian->LAN
08:56<jm_>patrykr: try messing with things like ECN and MTU, but I have to run now, sorry
08:56<patrykr>When I plug in between modem and debian https sites works fine
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09:08<classical>Hello :))
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09:08<classical>when will be debian lenny updates terminated ?
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09:12<chaos>any suggestions for filesystems larger than 16tb?
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09:13<delliott>chaos, have you looked into ?
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09:17<chaos>e2fsprogs screws ext4 up
09:17<chaos>limits it to 16tb
09:18<delliott>chaos, sorry. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of particular implementations.
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09:38<mekt>Is there a way to make it possible for any user who has write permissions to a file able to change the permission bits or ownership?
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09:40<burnclouds>when trying to mount my windows share i get error(79), more inpastebin in just a sec.
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09:46<Nick>anyone here?
09:46<burnclouds>know anything about cifs?
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09:58<gsimmons>burnclouds: You likely want "utf8", not uft8.
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09:59<burnclouds>lol yeah typo if fixed that.... but I'm getting the same error
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10:01<dacqueries>hey all...anyone know how to set dovecot to use ldap login only?
10:01<burnclouds>however just now, when i looked back at fstab i found a NPC just after utf8
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10:01<burnclouds>Thanks gsimmons you pointed to the error indirectly
10:01<burnclouds>dacqueries: I don't sry
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10:54<kop>dacqueries: Sounds like something you do in /etc/pam.d
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10:55<dpkg>Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see . #debian-xen on See also <virtualization>.
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10:57<dlnr>hi, did anybody get googletalk-plugin to work in squeeze?
10:58<dlnr>i mean google-talkplugin
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10:59<ballison>anyone here good with xen VM's under debian? I just created a xen vm and it works. I can "xm console" to it and log in. I can "ssh" to it and log in. But once inside the VM I can't route to any other address.
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10:59<ballison>i followed the instructions here ->
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11:00<ballison>(( is this off-topic ? ))
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11:02<sney>ballison: is it a static ip that you set up in /etc/network/interfaces? you probably forgot the default-route line
11:04<ballison>sney: yes
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11:05<ballison>inside the vm, it's a static IP. What's weird is that I can ssh to the VM from outside the server. So I know IP is routing through the bridge to the VM. Yet once inside it I can't ping out to anything.
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11:08<kop>me has no direct experience but wants to use kvm instead of xen.
11:08<sney>me tarzan
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11:19<butters_>Hello, what does Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key mean, and why does it make startx hang?
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11:25<SynrG>butters_: you have a display manager running and you're trying to also run startx
11:28<SynrG>i.e. gdm, kdm or the like is running. shut it down first (which will kill whatever session is running) then try again.
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11:28<SynrG>/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
11:28<SynrG>for example
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11:29<butters_>i call startx from the tty, and call dwm in .xinitrc, and then I close dwm and return to the tty, but if i try startx again it hangs
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11:33<dpkg>Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. #perl on See also <dh-make-perl>, <perl transition>.
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11:43<dpkg>hmm... dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from <CPAN> into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy.
11:44<poseidon_>!perl transition
11:44<dpkg>Details on the Perl 5.12 <transition> are available at and . See also <apt-listbugs>.
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11:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:56<francis>hay alguien??
11:57<tharkun>hmm de casualidad no leiste el mensaje anterior?
11:57<francis>el de Este canal es de soporte.....
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12:24<ballison>where is the correct play in debian to set ulimit -l unlimited such that the webserver user id can spawn processes and inherrit the ulimit -l from root (unlimited) ?
12:25<ballison>right now the webserver user is calling losetup and getting back memlock: Cannot allocate memory
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12:25<@weasel>that sounds like a horrible idea
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12:29<ballison>weasel: that's nice. i need this machine to be functional. options are to set the program +s which i really do NOT want to do, or allow the webserver user to run programs with ulimit -l set to unlimited so that the application can actually work.
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12:30*weasel shrugs
12:30<retrospectacus>what kind of web application needs losetup???
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12:31<retrospectacus>really terrible idea
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12:31<ballison>when i'm logging in as root, ulimit -l returns 32. Which should actually cause problems,but since I'm running as root I don't get actually limited (and didn't see the problem). The web server UID however has the limits applied, so when they try to losetup (decrypt an encrypted filesystem and mount it), it fails for that UID.
12:31<ballison>retro: it's a hardcoded "all in one application/device"
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12:32<@weasel>so, how do you losetup and mount without being root in the first place?
12:32<ballison>back to my question: where do I set ulimit -l on the system so that the users inherit it?
12:32<@weasel>you don't.
12:33<ballison>weasel: you can in RedHat easily... so I assume you can in debian as well.
12:33<@weasel>that's nice.
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12:34<ballison>I didn't write this code.. i just support it... don't shoot me. :/
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12:35<ballison>the user is in group "adm" so why are the ulimits being applied to the user?
12:36<@weasel>because being in adm has nothing whatsoever to do with ulimits?
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12:36<@weasel>or just as much as being in group foobar.
12:36<ballison>weasel: (fitting name btw) - so why do the ulimit not apply to root then.
12:36<@weasel>because uid 0 is special.
12:36<@weasel>gid 4 isn't.
12:36<@weasel>supplementary gid 4 even less so. (i.e. still not)
12:37<ballison>when I log in as root and do a ulimit -l i see it's limited to 32 by default. but that never gets applied.
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12:37<retrospectacus>ballison: I believe you may want /etc/security/limits.conf
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12:37<@weasel>he doesn't, really
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12:37<@weasel>that file is used by pam_limits.
12:37<@weasel>nothing consults pam when an init script starts a webserver.
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12:39<ballison>retro: agreed. /etc/security/limits.conf seems like the right place for this.
12:40<retrospectacus>ballison: put "ulimit ..." at the top of the webserver init script
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12:40<retrospectacus>I recall having to do this for some reason
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12:43<ballison>retro: in every job I've ever had over 15 years of Unix/Linux sys admining - i've always had to find ways to go up the ulimit settings sooner to later. Sometimes it can be up to 3 places on the filesystems. limit.conf overrides ulimit, but ulimit still caps you so you have to set both.
12:44<@weasel>"limit.conf overrides ulimit"
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12:46<ballison>weasel: correct
12:46<@weasel>that statement makes simply no sense at all.
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12:47<ballison>weasel: if you have ulimit set to unlimited, limits.conf would still override it and cap it ... or it wouldn't let you to set it via ulimit to begin with.
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12:47<@weasel>resource limits are a property of processes. (or users, depending on resource type).
12:48<@weasel>resource limits are usually inherited from the parent.
12:48<@weasel>no process cares what limits.conf says.
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12:48<@weasel>some stuff modifies or reads a processes' resource limits.
12:48<@weasel>ulimit, a shell built-in, is one of these tools.
12:48<@weasel>another is pam.
12:48<@weasel>saying 'limits.conf overrides ulimit' is non-sensical.
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12:50<ballison>weasel: You just contridicted yourself..... but enjoy your debate alone. :)
12:50<CcSsNET>well this is educational
12:50<@weasel>I didn't. but then I don't have a problem with a stupid application that needs weird things.
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12:54<retrospectacus>ballison, anyways, I do believe what you need is "ulimit -l 128" or w/e at the top of the webserver init.d script
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12:54<retrospectacus>hi starach
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12:56<starach>Could anyone tell me why is it that ps command isnt accesible?
12:57<starach>I mean I just can't run it
12:57<starach>you mean distro ?
12:57<starach>nah at least i dont think so
12:57<starach>debian 6.0
12:58<@weasel>does it work after 'hash -r'?
12:58<@weasel>(probably not)
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12:58<@weasel>ls -l /lib/ld*
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12:58<starach>/lib/ ->
12:59<@weasel>dpkg --print-architecture
12:59<@weasel>dpkg: not you, silly
12:59<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, weasel
12:59<starach>yeah its amd64
13:00<@weasel>so, why do you have an i386 /bin/ps?
13:00<starach>rotfl you ment use dpkg xD
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13:00<oxan>didn't bash cache the paths to commands? try /bin/ps aux.
13:00<starach>user dpkg*
13:00<starach>hmm i have no idea why
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13:00<starach>I already did
13:00<@weasel>starach: I meant, use the dpkg command (in /usr/bin)
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13:01<starach>well look like I should just reinstall OS
13:01<@weasel>starach: did you copy it from somewhere else? did you force install a package from some place else? did you get owned?
13:01<starach>No I havent copied it from anywhere
13:02<starach>I'm using system provided by my hosting company and its pretty fresh
13:02<retrospectacus>what's dpkg -S /bin/ps says?
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13:02<@weasel>file /bin/ps on amd64 should say 'ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped'
13:02<@weasel>starach: sha1sum /bin/ps
13:03<starach>c28fe1987c2a32bbb7d7962a47772555342651bc /bin/ps
13:03<@weasel>that's not the i386 squeeze version, nore the amd64 squeeze version, nor i386/amd64 lenny.
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13:04<starach>weasel: so maybe I just swwitched select box by accident when I was reinstaling my OS couple of day ago
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13:04<starach>well I will reinstall it again but be more carefult this time and we will see
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13:08<@weasel>starach: (the ENOENT refers to the missing i386 linker btw, in case you wondered)
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13:10<starach>weasel: Accually I haven't since I haven't seen any ENOENT written anywhere ;p
13:10<starach>well maybe i just have to but stronger glasses
13:10<@weasel>starach: "No such file or directory"
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13:10<starach>oh i get it now ( well at least i think ;) )
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13:17<starach>zomg... I'm waiting for system to be reinstalled and of course I forgot to restart it ...
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13:22<safinaskar>what is scratchbox variant in debootstrap?
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13:27<new_kid1>Hi I am trying to enable DNS caching with DNSmasq ........I use have 2 interface liste in ifconfig 1)eth0 & 2)ppp0 ....Should the entry in /etc/dnsmasq.conf from #interface= to interface=ppp0 ??????
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13:28<new_kid1>Should I change***
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13:29<new_kid1>Anyone ?
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13:29<Nemoder>new_kid1: it should be interface=eth0
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13:31<new_kid1>Nemoder, I am using a DSL connection to connect to the internet ..........I use the network manager .......where I have configure my DSL connection by typing my ISP username / password ...& therefore that PPP0
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13:31<starach>weasel: And it works now. I must have screw up something last time I was reinstalling
13:31<new_kid1>Nemoder, So.....thats the confusion
13:31<starach> file `which ps`
13:31<starach>/bin/ps: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
13:32<Nemoder>new_kid1: yes, but you only want dnsmasq to listen for your local network, not on the net side
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13:33<new_kid1>Nemoder, Okay I am anewbie..........A guy told me that enabling DNS caching on my box will enhance net speed ....Is that true?
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13:33<Arrowmaster>not really
13:34<Nemoder>overall speed no, but it can make that initial connection faster if your isp has a slow dns server
13:34<new_kid1>Nemoder, I mean the ida is that dnsmasq register the ip to name record & I use my locally stored recored to reach the web page next time I want to visit it
13:34<daemonkeeper>But neither wrong. Don't relying on the ISP recursor can speed up things.
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13:35<Nemoder>download speeds wont be faster but say clicking on a url will bring up the page faster
13:35<Nemoder>once it's cached anyway
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13:36<new_kid1>Nemoder, Then no need for dnsmasq ???
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13:36<Nemoder>dnsmasq does the caching
13:36<Nemoder>if you want quicker responses on connections it will help, if you just want faster downloads then no it wont help
13:36<new_kid1>Nemoder, How do I check if it is enabled/working ???
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13:37<Nemoder>you could run dig and see if it's using it
13:37<Nemoder>or check logs
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13:39<new_kid1>Nemoder, ......Please have alook
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13:39<Nemoder>new_kid1: dig will tell you what name server was used for the lookup, try that instead
13:39<Nemoder>oh nm that does too
13:39<Nemoder>so ya if it's using localhost then it's working
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13:40<Nemoder>er wait
13:40*Nemoder checks man page
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13:40<Nemoder>if you're telling it which server to use for the lookup then that doesn't help much heh
13:41<new_kid1>Nemoder, Its working then .........Just one more thing .....these records that dnsmasq that temporary ? I mean are those records going to stay if I restart my PC ?
13:41<Nemoder>new_kid1: it stores them in /var/lib/dns_cache.db
13:42<Nemoder>so yes it will save between restarts
13:43<new_kid1>if you're telling it which server to use for the lookup then that doesn't help much heh ............then please tell me the exactly what I need to type
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13:43<Nemoder>new_kid1: try 'dig'
13:44<Nemoder>new_kid1: what is the ip address for eth0 from ifconfig?
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13:47<Nemoder>oh, not assigned one
13:47<new_kid1>Nemoder, Its ppp0 which is in use
13:48<Nemoder>you should probably change dnsmasq.conf to interface=lo instead of eth0 then
13:48<new_kid1>Nemoder, My adsl router in is bridged mode
13:48<new_kid1>Nemoder, Trying it now.............& after changing restart the network?
13:49<Nemoder> /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart
13:49<new_kid1>Nemoder, Got it
13:50<gsimmons>Nemoder: Uh, dnsmasq's cache is not saved to disk (/var/lib/dns_cache.db appears to be webalizer related).
13:50<Nemoder>gsimmons: woah woops
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13:52<supaman>hello, I am using unstable and trying (unsuccessfullly) to watch some embeded video on my local news site with chromium and gecko-mediaplayer (the site is: and all I get is a Missing Plug-in .. any ideas?
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13:53<new_kid1>Nemoder, Same ???
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13:53<Nemoder>new_kid1: I think you need to add localhost to resolv.conf
13:55<Nemoder>not sure the best way to do that, my network setup is different
13:56<new_kid1>Nemoder, Okay done ....restart the network now?
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13:57<new_kid1>Nemoder, It was like, I change it to Nameservers localhost.
13:57<new_kid1>Nemoder, localhost, 4.2.22
13:58<new_kid1>Nemoder, localhost, ***
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13:58<Nemoder>on my setup the machine running dnsmasq doesnt use it, only the machines connecting to it
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13:59<Nemoder>new_kid1: you might need to manually add your isp nameserver to dnsmasq.conf
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14:13<gmarselis>so, basically, you get rh if you want to purchase a computer system that you expect to upgrade once every five or more years, and you do want to pay money for a decent sysadmin....
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14:18<retrospectacus>gmarselis: ???
14:18<retrospectacus>gmarselis: do you have a debian question?
14:19<gmarselis>retrospectacus: sorry, just venting a bit. actually, yes i do
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14:19<gmarselis>i am looking for an "enterprisey" paper of "debian vs rhel"
14:19<gmarselis>must not be a blog entry.
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14:20<Arrowmaster>i feel for you man but i got nothing
14:21<gmarselis>thank you, sympathy is much appreciated, as well :D
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14:21<gmarselis>fraking beancounters
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14:23<Arrowmaster>now if you were the network admin too you would have some leverage over them
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14:23<Arrowmaster>'i can block facebook for you and only you *glare*'
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14:26<new_kid1>Nemoder, Problem soonas I add localhost to to /etc/resolve.conf ..Name resolution fails
14:27<jhutchins_lt>new_kid1: Are you running a nameserver on localhost?
14:27<Nemoder>new_kid1: a bit over my head, try:
14:27<new_kid1>Nemoder, Okay
14:27<new_kid1>jhutchins, No I am trying ti enable dnsmasq caching
14:29<jhutchins_lt>new_kid1: The wiki is pretty straightforward.
14:30<new_kid1>jhutchins, Trying it now
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14:52<kop>How do I wake a monitor from power-save remotely?
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14:58<Nemoder>kop: is it running X?
14:58<retrospectacus>kop: xdg-screensaver reset
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15:13<qgel>I get a black screen at the password prompt for disk encryption (screen comes back after ~10 seconds). Any idea how i could find out what is causinng it? Debian6, Acer Aspire One
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>qgel: Do you mean you get a password prompt, or a black screen, or a prompt after 10 seconds, or a black screen after 10 seconds?
15:19<qgel>jhutchins_lt: I get a prompt for a second, then the screen blacks out, after 10 seconds it comes back (system remains responsive, i.e. i can enter password even though i do not see anything)
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15:22<jhutchins_lt>qgel: THat black screen has something to do with the "quiet" boot setting and kms.
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15:25<kop>Nemoder: No, it's not running x.
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15:28<kop>qgel: I've been finding the kms in squeeze quite annoying because I can't set the fonts large enough to read. You could try turning off kms....
15:28<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
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15:29<Nemoder>kop: try setterm -reset
15:29<retrospectacus>!screen blanking
15:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
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15:30<janko>hey anyone can paste content of debian-keyring request tracker #2715 ??? beacuse there is no public acces
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15:31<qgel>kop: I'm reading about KMS atm, there seem to be some factors that can cause black screens, trying to find out if any apply at the moment, thanks a lot :)
15:31<kop>retrospectacus: I don't want to control it, I just want to pretend to press a key or something.
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15:32<kop>Nemoder: It's too late to try it now. I'll try again next time. But I can't see how that would work while ssh-ed in because there's a pty.
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15:33<Nemoder>hm, good point
15:33<kop>retrospectacus: In other words, I don't want to change the settings, just wake it once.
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15:34<Nemoder>kop: you could try installing svgalib-bin and running vga_reset, but that may be a bit extreme
15:36<kop>Nemoder: I thought about echoing a char to the vty, but google says that does not work.
15:36<janko>anyone here with acces to debian request tracker?
15:37<kop>janko: Perhaps you should ask your real question.
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15:38<cinix>I am trying to resize my lvm partition and it isn't recognizing the new space.
15:38<kop>Nemoder: svgalib does not seem to be a universal solution.
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15:39<janko>i would like to read what is in request 2715
15:39<cinix>I did a dd copy from one hard drive to a newer larger hard drive and it boots up fine, but i can't resize the logical or physical volumes
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15:39<Nemoder>kop: yeah i've used it to recover broken displays remotely but probably not a reliable way to wake up a monitor
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15:40<kop>janko: What's the request tracker?
15:40<kop>cinix: That does not sound like the right way to do it.
15:40<Nemoder>kop: i wonder if you could activate setterm from cron or a similar daemon that checks a file
15:41<kop>cinix: The box does not know about your extra space.
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15:41<cinix>kop, well the operating system recognizes the hard drive for the real space in fdisk
15:41<kop>cinix: sfdisk -l probably tells you there's unpartitioned space on the new drive.
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15:41<cinix>well i copied the lvm container into a new partition that was already the maximum size
15:42<cinix>so the original parittion was 70gb and hte new partition was 200gb
15:42<kop>cinix: I bet pvs says that the pv is still small.
15:42<kop>cinix: And I don't think you can resize a pv.
15:42<cinix>yes, it thinks it's the original size
15:43<kop>cinix: The right way is to make a new pv on the 200G partition.
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15:43<cinix>kop, and extend onto the new pv then remove the old pv?
15:44<kop>cinix: Then you add the pv to the vg, use vgchange to tell it not to allocate any more space on the old pv, then lvchange to migrate to the new pv. All this can be done while running.
15:44<cinix>i avoided that because i was afraid i'd have no way to get back to where i was if i broke it
15:44<janko>anyone knows if debian develepores hang out on this channel?
15:44<cinix>okay let me try that
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15:45<kop>cinix: Then you remove the old pv from the vg.
15:45<janko>developers i meant
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15:46<kop>janko: Some do. (I always just use the bug reporting system or send to the appropriate mailing list.)
15:47<kop>cinix: The right way to get back is to restore from a backup.
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15:47<janko>i have read something in changelog of debian-keyring in wheezy and i wanted to read reason and comments on that issue
15:47<cinix>kop, thats a budget issue, i only have two drives. important files are backed up but i can't back up the time i spent setting it all up
15:48<kop>cinix: If you're going to remove the old drive be sure to install grub (or whatever) on the new one.
15:49<cinix>So right now I have my new drive with a copy of my boot partition, and a new empty partition of hte rest of the space
15:49<kop>cinix: It's foolish to have no backups. You risk your time investment. Get a big usb hard drive and use rsnapshot or rsync to keep multiple copies of backups. You can come up with $100 somehow for a drive.
15:49<cinix>i'm going to add the new partition to the volume and try to migrate it
15:49<cinix>kop, yea thats what i bought and am trying to install :)
15:50<cinix>i guess i could have bought two
15:50<kop>cinix: You need multiple backups.
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15:50<cinix>yea your right
15:51<kop>!tell cinix about backups
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16:01<Marezz>Hello everyone :)
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16:11<flower>where are the debian wallpapers on the system?
16:12<Good-maN>Hi, how can I allow root login only in single user mode?
16:12<SynrG>flower: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ has some
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16:13<Black_Prince>Does anyone know what is this applet on the right called?
16:13<Good-maN>flower: /usr/share/wallpapers
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16:13<mao__>Black_Prince: conky?
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16:15<SynrG>Good-maN: ah. i don't have those :)
16:15<Black_Prince>mao__, probabbly. Is it possible to use it under Gnome?
16:15<mao__>Black_Prince: yes, IIRC, conky inteacts directly with X, so you can use it
16:15<mao__>in any Deskotp Environment/Window Manager
16:16<Good-maN>SynrG: hmm, okay, restrict the login to a physical serial port?
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16:17<Black_Prince>Damn, it is harder as I tought.
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16:19<SynrG>Good-maN: bah. wallpapers are kind of useless when all your apps are always maximized and non-transparent.
16:20<SynrG>(but that's just me)
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16:22<Good-maN>SynrG: quite right but with a qube and 4 Desktop you can switch to see your wallpapers :P
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16:23<kartik_subbarao>What is the easiest way to disable/uninstall prelude?
16:23<kartik_subbarao>I get a bunch of errors in syslog "Unable to initialize prelude client" related to pam with ssh and su
16:23<kartik_subbarao>I would prefer to disable prelude entirely for the moment or otherwise pacify pam so that this message doesn't show up
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16:25<devil>kartik_subbarao: uninstall with apt-get purge ?
16:25<kop>kartik_subbarao: aptitude remove prelude-manager ? That will leave your configs behind so that if you re-install your changes will still be there.
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16:26<kartik_subbarao>The only prelude-related package is libprelude2, and that seems to be a core dependency for other packages that I do need
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16:26<tiresias>hello all
16:27<kartik_subbarao>(for example libpam-ldapd libpam0g )
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16:27<tiresias>(debian-noob) looking to install nvidia drivers, but i don't know which package i have to choose...
16:27<kop>kartik_subbarao: How do you know? You've looked at "aptitude why libprelude2"?
16:27<kartik_subbarao>I tried running "aptitude purge libprelude2"
16:28<kop>kartik_subbarao: I see.
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16:28<kartik_subbarao>and it claimed that it needed to uninstall those other packages
16:28<kartik_subbarao>libpam0g seems pretty core
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16:28<devil>kartik_subbarao: neither libpam-ldapd nor libpam0g depend on libprelude2
16:28<kop>kartik_subbarao: That can be do to some packages being marked automatically installed that should not be.
16:29<retrospectacus>kartik_subbarao: try it again, read more carefully
16:29<kartik_subbarao>Well aptitude why libprelude2 says:
16:29<kartik_subbarao>i libpam0g Depends libprelude2
16:29<devil>kartik_subbarao: apt-cache depends does not ;)
16:29<retrospectacus>kartik_subbarao: everything I see disagrees
16:30<devil>so we have a problem :)
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16:30<kartik_subbarao>maybe I got a bad libpam0g ?
16:30<kop>kartik_subbarao: What version of debian. What's in sources.list?
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16:30<devil>kartik_subbarao: well, my output is fron sid
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16:31<kartik_subbarao>sources.list includes:
16:31<kartik_subbarao>deb lenny main non-free
16:31<kartik_subbarao>deb-src lenny main non-free
16:31<retrospectacus>kartik_subbarao: what is the output of: apt-cache show libpam0g |grep ^Depends |uniq
16:31<devil>retrospectacus: what does |uniq do?
16:31<kartik_subbarao>Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.0), libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0), libprelude2, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
16:31<kartik_subbarao>Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime
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16:32<retrospectacus>devil: just "uniques" the output cause I get duplicate lines
16:32<devil>ah, ok :)
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16:33<kartik_subbarao>is there a newer version of the libpam0g package for lenny that's built without libprelude dependency?
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16:33<devil>kartik_subbarao: ignore me, depends are different in sid in this case
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16:33<devil>Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
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16:33<kartik_subbarao>ok understood
16:34<kartik_subbarao>at least I'll know that this problem will eventually go away when these boxes get upgraded some day :)
16:34<kartik_subbarao>would be nice to get rid of the annoying messages in the meantime though :)
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16:34<kartik_subbarao>would cleanup syslog
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16:36<kartik_subbarao>looks like the version of libpam0g that I'm running isn't exactly the "stock" lenny version either -- I seem to be running 1.1.0-4 whereas the version on for lenny is 1.0.1-5+lenny1
16:36<kartik_subbarao>so maybe that's the problem, somehow a nonstandard version of libpam0g got introduced into the build image for these boxes
16:37<sney>the 5+lenny1 version may be an update from
16:37<kartik_subbarao>(or maybe it was even needed at the time)
16:37<kartik_subbarao>okay -- well thanks at least for the sanity check that ALL Debian installations aren't doomed to this prelude dependency
16:37<kartik_subbarao>that was looking rather strange...
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16:59<AzaToth> ← new port target? : )
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17:01<daemonkeeper>Its no port, since it emulates a x86 CPU. You should straight be able to port Debian to it :p
17:01<daemonkeeper>Well, if you can manage to come over the missing FPU
17:02<AzaToth>I first though it was mearly a fake lookalike thingi
17:02<AzaToth>then I was: WTF
17:02<tomeks>What time is it?
17:02<devil>its too late
17:02<tomeks>ok :)
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17:03<AzaToth>Thu May 19 21:03:02 UTC 2011
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17:03<devil>Do 19. Mai 23:03:07 CEST 2011
17:03<daemonkeeper>UTC is 21:03 now?
17:03<AzaToth>well, YEA
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17:03<daemonkeeper>I though 22:03
17:03<devil>daemonkeeper: daylight saving
17:04<babilen>daemonkeeper: BST ;)
17:04<daemonkeeper>I see.
17:04<devil>in winter you'd be right
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17:05<babilen>AzaToth: British Summer Time
17:05<tomeks>only 5 minutes to Columbo. Thx !
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17:06<devil>then its not too late.
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17:13<manitou>is there any usb developers
17:13<devil>manitou: that would be kernel-devs
17:14<devil>and they are rare to non-existant here :)
17:14<devil>manitou: what is your question?
17:15<manitou>i'm searching for kernel function source
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17:15<manitou>called submit_urb
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17:15<manitou>it appears in usb_bus in usb_operations
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17:16<devil>manitou: google should be helpful there
17:16<manitou>i don't know what package source download to
17:16<manitou>i'm banned there)
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17:16<manitou>my asks dont give me an answer(
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17:18<manitou>any ideas?
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17:20<retrospectacus>you're banned on google?
17:22<manitou>google doesnt knows, he gives me some usings of this function, but not the source code
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17:37<mevon>hello can someone help me with hardware/wireless related issue?
17:38<retrospectacus>mevon: yep
17:38<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
17:38<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:38<retrospectacus>mevon: /msg dpkg rtl-wifi
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17:39<retrospectacus>and/or just describe your problem here
17:40<retrospectacus>manitou: you're welcome
17:40<mevon>ok I have a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express
17:40<mevon>installed it after installing squeeze
17:41<mevon>I tried to add the module to the kernel but still I cant get it to work
17:41<mevon>its nowhere in my interfaces
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17:42<dpkg>r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. A regression was found with this driver in the <6.0.1> point release (Debian bug #619173) and fixed at linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, see <proposed-updates>. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>.
17:42<manitou>hm) usb_submit_urb returns urb->dev->bus->op->submit_urb(urb); we're came to the begin)
17:43<devil>manitou: i think, taking this to a kernel related channel will get you further
17:44<ml|>just a note, next time get a intel nic ;)
17:44<retrospectacus>manitou: I don't see it returning that
17:44<retrospectacus>return usb_hcd_submit_urb(urb, mem_flags);
17:44<manitou>devil, stanks, i'll try there
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17:46<manitou>i cant open your link, so i tried another cross reference site and got this
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17:47<mevon>retrospectacus, how come it didnt give me a wlan0 after plug it in? my kernel is really minimal (console only)
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17:48<retrospectacus>no idea, I just make the bot say stuff
17:48<ml|>mevon: just to make sure run.. lspci -nn | grep -i network and paste here
17:48<mevon>sweet so can you tell me who could help?
17:48<retrospectacus>manitou: sounds like you have bigger problems than deciphering kernel source
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17:49<retrospectacus>mevon: stay here, thoroughly describe your problem, work with people trying to help you.
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17:50<mevon>can anyone help me with adding hardware troubles?
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17:50<mevon>PCI wifi rtl8168
17:50<overflow>hi Im trying to package an app that uses postgresql. Im using dbconfig-common to handle it, but How can I set the db user access in pg_hba.conf ?
17:51<mevon>anyone ever added a PCI after a new install?
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17:53<retrospectacus>mevon: did you see what dpkg said about r8168? also what ml| asked you
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17:54<mevon>ml|, sorry for the delay, it says nothing..
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17:55<mevon>ml|, lspci gives me : 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek (...)
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17:55<devil>mevon: lspci -nn | grep -i net
17:56<retrospectacus>we need the (...) part
17:56<mevon>01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02)
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17:57<Black_Prince>judd: pciid 10ec:8168
17:57<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also
17:57<Black_Prince>Module r8169 requires firmware-realtek package.
17:57<Thunder7102>Hello everyone
17:57<overflow>wow .. where I can get the judd sourcecode?
17:57<Thunder7102>Anyone willing to help someoen new to Debian?
17:58<mevon>Black_Prince, I installed it
17:58<retrospectacus>mevon: what kernel are you running?
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17:58<devil>Thunder7102: just ask, if someone can help, they will
17:58<retrospectacus>Thunder7102: absolutely. just ask. On one line.
17:58<Black_Prince>mevon: dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6
17:59<Black_Prince>Use pastebin if there are several lines
17:59<Thunder7102>One: My Windows 7 does not show up in is sitll there, and I have no idea how to setup a Broadcom adapter in Linux.
17:59<overflow>anyone can help with dbconfig-common PLZ
17:59<retrospectacus>mevon: uname -r says what?
17:59<devil>Thunder7102: try running os-prober, then update-grub and reboot
18:00<Thunder7102>I typed os-prober into terminal and I was told it was invalid
18:00<Black_Prince>Thunder7102, One: Open root terminal, run apt-get install os-prober and then run update-grub, second, is it Broadcom wireless or wired?
18:00<retrospectacus>overflow: /msg dpkg judd
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18:00<devil>Thunder7102: apt-get install os-prober
18:00<Thunder7102>It said it was an invalid operation
18:00<retrospectacus>Thunder7102: you need to be root
18:00<devil>Thunder7102: then as avbove
18:01<overflow>retrospectacus: thx
18:01<Thunder7102>Broadcom is wireless. I am in my first year of CCNA, but Linux is foreign. I am trying to change that.
18:01<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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18:01<jhutchins>devil: os-prober is part of the grub2 install/
18:01<kop>!tell Black_Prince about why aptitude
18:02<devil>jhutchins: i thought so
18:02<Thunder7102>Why does it not let me run os-prober? i type it in Terminal and I assume that is how you run it. :P
18:02<jhutchins>Thunder7102: After the initial install, you need to run update-grub to pick up the other bootable systems.
18:02<jhutchins>Thunder7102: It's a module for grub.
18:02<devil>Thunder7102: you need to be root
18:02<chealer>overflow: package to integrate repositories or just personal?
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18:02<retrospectacus>Thunder7102: it's because you're not root!
18:02*Black_Prince does not like aptitude
18:02<ml|>aptitude search '~i ~n(linux-image)' is another way
18:02<jhutchins>Thunder7102: Yes, you need to be root, but the command is update-grub
18:03<Thunder7102>sudo su does not work with Debian. What is the equivelant?
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18:03<kop>Thunder7102: su
18:03<jhutchins>Thunder7102: jUST SU -
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18:03<chealer>!tell mevon about anyone
18:03<retrospectacus>sudo su... pfff
18:03*jhutchins fixes stupid capslock.
18:03<kop>Gosh! We're so helpful!
18:03<devil>followed by your root pw
18:03<overflow>chealer: repositories for a debian-based distro
18:04<kop>Black_Prince: You may not like aptitude but it's been recommended over apt-get since etch.
18:04<Thunder7102>I am now root, and I have updated the grub. I am trying your OS prober and I still get invalid errors. :/ i am too new to this.
18:05<retrospectacus>!tell kop about why not aptitude
18:05<ml|>Thunder7102: pastebin the output
18:05<Thunder7102>bash: os-prober: Command not found
18:05<jhutchins>Thunder7102: os-prober is a part of grub, it runs when you do update-grub, you don't run it seperately.
18:05<ml|>Thunder7102: install it
18:05<ml|>oh, yeah it is not a command
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18:06<overflow>chealer: why?
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18:06<Black_Prince>for(lsb_release = lenny|squeeze){ exec apt-get ... }
18:06<devil>jhutchins: i didnt know update-grub incorporates os-prober, but it never hurt to run it so far
18:06<Thunder7102>ok, so how do I get internet with my wireless broadcom adapter. My network currently has no encryption or pass
18:06<chealer>overflow: there is a channel for questions on developing Debian
18:07<ml|>devil: you can run os-prober on it's own?
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18:07<jhutchins>It's an expected behavior that a squeeze install only puts the new install in the grub menu until you reboot and run update-grub.
18:07<jhutchins>I don't know if it's intended, but it's how it works.
18:07<Thunder7102>BCM4318 more specifically. I just ran update-grub and it worked
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18:07<overflow>chealer: well thanks
18:07<Black_Prince>mevon, some said that installing kernel from backports would fix realtek ethernet problems.
18:07<dpkg>b43 is the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
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18:14<grove>Is anyone working on adding some version of virtualbox to backports, that actually work with 2.6.38?
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18:16<Black_Prince>grove, there is source for virtualbox kernel driver. The problem is in kernel headers, they won't install because kbuild is not backported.
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18:20<overflow>chealer: which on is that channel?
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18:22<grove>Black_Prince: That doesn't sound like what I found, but I was just wondering whether it would be a waste of time to try fixing it, because someone (presumably knowing more about the kernel/driver) was working on it
18:22<chealer>overflow: #debian-mentors
18:23<overflow>chealer: thanks
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18:24<grove>I don't need virtualbox working soon anyway, I might also wait for some version to enter testing and work from there
18:24<Black_Prince>grove, as it says there were changes after 2.6.33 kernel was released. Virtualbox has changed their source code in future releases, but not in one from squeeze.
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18:27<manitou>who can answer my noob question: if usual functions are defined in *.c files, where are defined functions included in structures?
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18:37<c0re>my clock is all wrong><
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18:38<MrFrood>c0re: ntp ?
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18:39<c0re>my universal time is right but my local time is in aus
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18:39<MrFrood>so move to aus and all will be fine
18:39<retrospectacus>c0re: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
18:39<c0re>ive done that
18:40<retrospectacus>and chose Australia?
18:40<c0re>i changed it manually but i think it will revert back
18:40<Black_Prince>Set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS
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18:41<retrospectacus>c0re: were there any error/warnings when you did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? That should work and be all you need.
18:41<Black_Prince>manitou, in headers maybe?
18:41<ml|>dpkg: set time
18:41<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS (man rcs) and set the correct time zone, ask me about <timezone>.
18:41<c0re>Current default time zone: 'America/Los_Angeles'
18:41<c0re>Local time is now: Thu May 19 03:40:27 PDT 2011.
18:41<c0re>Universal Time is now: Thu May 19 10:40:27 UTC 2011.
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18:41<c0re>universal is now wrong
18:42*ml| whispers ntp ;)
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18:42<retrospectacus>oh I see, your hwclock is local or something
18:42<c0re>yea i just changed it
18:42<c0re>but why does it think im in aus
18:42<c0re>my internet has been really weird too
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18:43<c0re>i have some sort of back door
18:43<retrospectacus>where do you see AUS
18:44<manitou>Black_Prince, i didn't find:(
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18:44<Black_Prince>manitou, what are you looking after?
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18:44<c0re>when i hit my date/time top right conrner
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18:45<retrospectacus>under "Locations"? just remove it
18:45<retrospectacus>click Edit
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18:45<c0re>its not there..
18:45<Black_Prince>How can I setup gnome clock applet to automaticaly update time via ntp?
18:46<manitou>i need to find source code of urb_submit function, whitch is included in usb_operations structure. The structure definition is present, but functions one - doesnt(
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18:46<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: install ntp
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18:46<retrospectacus>the applet just watches the system time
18:47<c0re>Gingrich Hit With Glitter in Minn.
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18:50<Black_Prince>manitou there is usb_urb_submit
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18:52<manitou>Black_Prince, it is based on the function i'm searching.
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19:02<innovacion>Hi, boys Do you know if is it possible install debian on chinese tablet ARM Cortex 8 1 Gz?
19:03<innovacion>I am thinking to buy one with Android, but I dislike android
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19:06<MrFrood>innovacion: #debian-arm
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19:09<Black_Prince>manitou, just of curiosity, where is usb_operations defined?
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19:30<brian_petersen>i am a noob at linux but want to jump right in, is there a simple installation cd to install all the basic programs i need to get started with linux? i downloaded the latest stable version, i386, cd installion disk 1, and am having some problems with it. that why i want to know if there is a simple installation disk to get started quicly
19:30<Nemoder>brian_petersen: the net installer is probably the best to use if you have a decent net connection
19:31<retrospectacus>brian_petersen: you're on the right track. What problems are you having?
19:31<Nemoder>but cd1 should work ok
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19:31<brian_petersen>retrospectacus, i am having problems with the internet connection, metacity not starting on bootup, sleep, hibernation, and many other problems
19:32<brian_petersen>nemoder, i would like to be able to have an offline installation disk
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19:33<grove>cd1 should be the right choice for that. What kind of problems do you have with the internet connection?
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19:33<Nemoder>is this a laptop w/ wireless connection?
19:34<brian_petersen>it is a laptop and i installed the ip2200 package, but i am currently trying to setup and eth. connection
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19:35<brian_petersen>i mean, it doesn't even have the package 'auto' installed, and i can't really install it w/o an internet connection!
19:36<grove>There is no auto-package?
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19:36<Nemoder>automake? what are you attempting?
19:36<brian_petersen>yes, and no ifconfig -package either
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19:37<grove>ifconfig is in the net-tools package
19:37<Nemoder>ifconfig should be there, though it wont be in the path for user accounts, can run it as root or /sbin/ifconfig
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19:38<disidnt>necesito ayuda
19:38<disidnt>soy nuevo con ubuntu
19:38<disidnt>se me borro toda la info del pc
19:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:38<disidnt>y este ubuntu 5.10 trae un firefox 1.4.7, version antigua
19:38<disidnt>q no es compatible con un monton de cosas
19:38<brian_petersen>ok, i do have ifconfig, just didn't know i had to run it as root
19:38<disidnt>no puedo ver videos de internet
19:38<disidnt>no pued acceder al gmail despues
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19:41<Nemoder>brian_petersen: you may wish to 'man interfaces' for more info on configuring your network
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19:47<brian_petersen>can someone give me a quick archlinux vs. debian rundown?
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19:49<Guest1542>hi all...I'm on Ubuntu "Try It Out" and I was wondering...since Logitech doesn't support there a means of programming mouse buttons available?
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19:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:52<Guest1542>I'm asking about linux in general since many programs are ubiquitous....You don't do "general?"
19:53<retrospectacus>nope there is #linux for that
19:53<SynrG>brian_petersen: i hardly think you'll find an objective comparison here :) ask what you want out of debian, instead.
19:53<dondelelcaro>Guest1542: yes, there are many methods, but you really want to ask in #ubuntu on, or on #linux here
19:53<MrFrood>not normally, that would be ##linux on freenode
19:54<retrospectacus>Guest1542: in any case, all the buttons on my logitech mouse function as expected
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19:54<retrospectacus>it's a MX700
19:54<Guest1542>thanks, dondelelcaro...a person being nice to a noob in a linux forum...You are breaking with tradition
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19:56<Guest1542>retrospectacus...wrist problems here...are you able to set button functions?
19:57<womp>Guest1542: search for the package btnx
19:58<dondelelcaro>Guest1542: most people are nice; you just need to be asking in the proper fora and willing to do some work yourself, too.
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19:58<Guest1542>I'll do that...and thanks to y'all
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20:02<diederik>I have a canon canoscan D1250U2 (scanner).Would I be able to get it working under debian?
20:02<diederik>It's the last thing I use windows for
20:03<SynrG>the sane project would have something to say about that
20:03<dpkg>[sane] Scanner Access Now Easy, an <API> for raster image <scanner> hardware. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: . FAQ: . To use over a network, see . #sane at
20:03<SynrG>generally, what sane supports, debian supports.
20:03<diederik>thank you
20:04<Marezz>Does debian support older hardware? about 8-9 yrs old? xD
20:05<cthuluh>of course
20:06<diederik>grr unsupported
20:06<cthuluh># dmidecode | awk '/Date/'
20:06<cthuluh>Release Date: 04/02/01
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20:07<Marezz>I was thinking to put debian on friends machine, nvidia fx5200, 512ram and 1,7 cpu. will lxde run fine on that_
20:07<cthuluh>that's too much for lxde
20:07<zsolt> is it possible to compile linux source to arm and symbian?
20:08<zsolt>i would like to port some linux apps to symbian
20:08<cthuluh>zsolt: ask either a symbian related chan or #debian-arm
20:09<zsolt>thank you
20:10<cthuluh>I would go for a virtual machine like qemu if I were you
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20:13<Marezz>How often does stable get updates?
20:13<ljtirazona>As they are made available
20:13<Arrowmaster>it gets security updates when they are made available
20:13<Arrowmaster>it doesnt get feature updates
20:14<retrospectacus>how often is, constantly
20:15<Marezz>Im amazed how fast it runs even on vbox
20:15<cthuluh>just run it on raw hardware, then
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20:16<cthuluh>if you meant "how often the stable version changes?", I'd say every one to four years :)
20:16<Marezz>Will do it tomorrow, now its a bit late :)
20:17<Marezz>Then I guess testing is for me ^^
20:17<diederik>cthuluh: why 1-4 years and not 1-2 years?
20:17<cthuluh>because some versions took a lot of time (iirc, woody)
20:18<cthuluh>I don't quite remember, since I wasn't a computer user, at that time :P
20:18<diederik>ah ok, I only started using linux/debian around etch
20:18<Marezz>cthuluh, Are you running stable urself?
20:18<cthuluh>Marezz: yes. one server and my work desktop
20:19<cthuluh>and I'm pretty fine with it :)
20:19<Arrowmaster>i dont think any release ever took more than 3 years
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20:19<Arrowmaster>it was only one that was delayed that long, rest have been every 2 years
20:20<grove>cthuluh: I think everyone agreed that sarge (the one that took almost 3 years) took too long, and wants to avoid getting there again
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20:21<cthuluh>hmm, woody, rather, no?
20:22<riley>hey say i have a linux machine with a samba share. say i also have a windows machine. is there anyway to make like a "E:
20:22<riley>" drive on the windows machine that maps to the samba share?
20:22<diederik>riley: yes
20:22<grove>cthuluh: woody was stable for almost 3 years, sarge (the successor) was the one that took a long time to get out
20:23<riley>diederik: how do i do that?
20:23<cthuluh>ah, ok, just a different way to count :)
20:23<diederik>you can also browse to it from network neigbourhood
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20:23<diederik>if you have browsing enabled in your samba share that is
20:23<riley>how do i make an 'E:' drive?
20:24<diederik>when you see it in network neighbourhood, you can right-click on it and map it to a drive
20:24<diederik>(this is from the top of my head btw)
20:24<riley>thanks bro
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20:27<brian_petersen>is there a general recommendations page?
20:28<retrospectacus>!tell brian_petersen about overview
20:28<MrFrood>recommendations for what?
20:28<brian_petersen>getting started
20:28<SynrG>ah, i went too general :) what retrospectacus sent you
20:29<SynrG>(i assume since you're here you meant "with debian")
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20:30<brian_petersen>where is the mirrors list in debian? when ever i go to 'aptitude update' it wants me to insert my installation disk
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20:31<retrospectacus>!tell brian_petersen about sources.list
20:31<MrFrood>/exit ?
20:31<riley>how do i restart a samba share
20:32<diederik>riley: you can't restart a share, but you can restart samba (#/etc/init.d/samba restart)
20:32<diederik>you can also try force-reload instead of restart
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20:34<riley>Se-bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
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20:35<diederik>you're running it as root?
20:35<diederik>note: # means run as root, don't type it
20:36<riley>didnt type the hash :-)
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20:37<diederik>are you sure you have samba installed then?
20:37<cthuluh>the wole line would be taken as a comment anyway ;)
20:37<riley>oh- maybe smb insead of samba?
20:37<riley>like /etc/init.d/smb restart?
20:37<diederik>it's samba on my server
20:38<SynrG>keep in mind the kernel has a cifs filesystem module
20:38<diederik>which version of debian are you running?
20:38<riley>uhm, red hat
20:39<c0re>wheni run my old kernel the vid doesnt work can i just delte it?
20:39<diederik>don't know it for redhat, but google probably does ;)
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20:39<cthuluh>riley: this is a debian support channel
20:40<cthuluh>!red hat
20:40<dpkg>Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on
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20:40<cthuluh>and #centos (also on freenode) might also be interesting
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20:42<babilen>brian_petersen: Instead of dabbling with other software sources as described in the <overview> factoid I would read the Debian Reference --
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20:47<c0re>does anyone have an xbox360 they stream to from their box
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20:47<riley>how do i determine the login credentials for my samba share?
20:48<riley>like i see it now in my network places, but it wants a usernm/ passwd
20:48<SynrG>riley: this is a debian support channel.
20:48<riley>i'm using debian
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20:49<SynrG>21:38 < diederik> which version of debian are you running?
20:49<SynrG>21:38 < riley> uhm, red hat
20:49<SynrG>red hat is not debian.
20:49<riley>on that particular samba instance,
20:49<riley>on this one i'm running lenny
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20:50<diederik>you need to specify credentials which are valid on your lenny box, create a user if needed
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20:51<riley>the root passwd didn't work
20:51<diederik>not the best account to use it for ...
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20:51<riley>but it didn't work
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20:52<diederik>maybe samba disables it by default. Check man page or sth
20:52<diederik>or better create a normal user account
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20:55<diederik>riley: did you specify which users are allowed on the share and/or enabled guest account?
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20:57<riley>diederik: no
20:57<diederik>I guess you have some studying to do ;)
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20:59<retrospectacus>riley: samba is non-trivial to set up but there are lots of howtos online
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21:32<jankidudel>HI, my mp4 videos are showing very very slow on squeeze, do I need to install something to fix that ?
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21:34<MrFrood>jankidudel: which media-player?
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21:36<jankidudel>MrFrood, Totem Movie Player 2.30.2
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21:36<MrFrood>try vlc or mplayer/gmplayer - see if that makes any differance
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21:37<dpkg>[faac] "Freeware Advanced Audio Coder" is a project providing a cross-platform <AAC> encoder (FAAC) and decoder (FAAD2). FAAC is proprietary (based on ISO MPEG-4 reference code), whereas FAAD2 is free software. libfaac* and faac packages are available from Debian Multimedia, ask me about <dmm>. . Not to be confused with <FLAC>.
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21:38<cthuluh>try mplayer -framedrop
21:38<MrFrood>both vlc & mplayer play mp4's fine here on decade old hardware
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21:47<jankidudel>MrFrood, , haha, it works only with Dragon player :D , thanks.
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22:19<Marezz>Im off to bed, good night everyone
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22:35<s3a>is it possible to make the terminal screen more user interface friendly allowing me to do things like ctrl+a?
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22:37<MrFrood>what would you expect ctrl+a to achieve?
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22:48<Osiris_X>what did debian rename the apache binary too ? (I believe it is supposed to be httpd)
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22:54<s3a>MrFrood, HUGE output, i'm fed up of scrolling up for five minutes literally
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22:54<tanya>I just downloaded this. How do I download Chrome? I keep getting error messages and I dont like Mozilla
22:55<s3a>tanya, chromium or google chrome?
22:55<tanya>Google Chrome
22:56<tanya>I have gone there and downloaded. Keep getting errors about incompatibility
22:56<s3a>tanya, what is the error?
22:56<s3a>and what did you attempt to install or install?
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22:56<s3a>can someone tell me how to figure out if there is a man in the middle attack in my ssh connection?
22:57<tanya>Attempted to install Google Chrome. Let me get specifically what it said. 1 sec
22:58<tanya>wrong architecture 'amd64' is the error code
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22:58<MrFrood>s3a: grep ?
22:58<flaccid>whats the easiest way to add non-free to the apt sources? is there a command or should i just echo >> ?
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22:59<s3a>tanya, return the output of uname -m
22:59<MrFrood>flaccid: su -c 'pico /etc/apt/sources.list'
23:00<s3a>flaccid, after main just type a space and then "non-free" without the quotes
23:00<tanya>Novice here. I have no idea what you just said
23:00<tanya>Return the output?
23:00<s3a>tanya, ok are you in GNOME?
23:00<s3a>tanya, like do you see applications, places, system on top left?
23:00<s3a>ok click on applications=>accessories=>terminal
23:00<flaccid>so like i can do deb squeeze non-free in sources.list.d though right?
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23:01<s3a>tanya, then type uname -m and copy paste the outpuit
23:01<s3a>tanya, copy paste the exact name of the file you're trying to install
23:01<MrFrood>flaccid: deb squeeze main contrib non-free
23:02<s3a>as well
23:02<tanya> is working!!!!
23:02<tanya>Thanks so much
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23:02<s3a>tanya, i actually did not do anything, u must of done something else
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23:03<s3a>tanya, but np anyways
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23:03<s3a>like what i told you to do only gives me info on ur system and doesn't do stuff
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23:03<tanya>It began downloading. I think I need to go read up on this. I am trying to avoid the monopoly and all of my friends told me to try this.
23:04<tanya>Just got a new PC and did not want to spend $450 on microsoft
23:04<tanya>Heading to the beginners section. Goodnight and thanks again
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23:06<s3a>could anybody please tell me why/how an RSA host key would change innocently and how to check if someone is attempting a man-in-the-middle-attack when i'm trying to ssh?
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23:10<flaccid>thanks guys
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23:16<ceno>is anyone home??
23:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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23:17<xyeklops>anybody tell me hot to install the new WarZone2100 upgrade?
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23:18<ceno>how to get flash in opera to work properly?
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23:19<Nemoder>judd, versions warzone2100
23:19<xyeklops>Im using Natty, so hould I be in the Debian chat? or is there somewhere else that for Natty users
23:19<judd>Package warzone2100 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.3.4-1; squeeze-backports: 2.3.7-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2.3.7-2; wheezy: 2.3.7-2
23:20<xyeklops>Is that one whole address?
23:20<Nemoder>!tell xyeklops -about ubuntu
23:22<ceno>yeah, I've read that mr.robotto, that doesn't really help
23:22<ceno>it seems that the flashplugin-nonfree package is not available via apt-get
23:22<ceno>for some reason
23:22<Nemoder>have you added non-free to your sources.list and updated?
23:23<ceno>I don't know what that means, lol
23:23<ceno>I am newb
23:23<Nemoder>!non-free sources
23:23<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
23:23<ceno>searching... but you could hint me what folder
23:24<ceno>okay, I'll try that, just amment
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23:27<ceno>I'm not in root, is there an easy way to browse as root while not root?
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23:27<ceno>I am root in ctrl+alt+f1
23:28<ceno>but I don't know how to edit in sh
23:28<ceno>instead of having to logout
23:28<ceno>can I grant nautilus root?
23:28<ceno>if so how?
23:29<Nemoder>eh just use nano, it's a pretty simple terminal text editor
23:29<ceno>would it be built in?
23:29<Nemoder>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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23:41<ceno>that didn't really get me flash but it did make synaptic start to act different
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23:46<s3a>ceno, gksu nautilus, or gksudo nautilus in a terminal
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23:46<s3a>ceno, just be careful when root
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23:47<ceno>that's good to know, but sitll doesn't get me flash to work in opera
23:48<sney>the flashplugin-nonfree package might not have opera support.
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23:51<ceno>when I apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
23:52<ceno>it says it's not available but referred to by another package
23:52<sney>did you apt-get update after editing your sources.list?
23:52<sney>can you pastebin your sources.list so I can look at it?
23:52<sney>like on or similar
23:52<ceno>lol, I newb, don't know pastebin
23:53<irshad__>@ceno: can you paste the exact message?
23:53<sney>I just showed you. copy, then pasta, then link
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23:55<ceno>one monmet
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23:55<sney>ok, I see your problem
23:56<sney>in sources.list, non-free needs to have the - in it
23:56<ceno>lemme checkit
23:56<tiako>Hello.. How would I go about making it where my computer only boots into command mode while leaving gnome?
23:57<sney>tiako: you mean give you a text mode login with X optional?
23:57<tiako>Yes sney
23:57<sney>update-rc.d gdm remove
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23:57<sney>(as root)
23:57<tiako>I tried that and rebooted
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23:58<tiako>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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23:59<ceno>okay, I changed it and ran apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
23:59<ceno>lemme test it
23:59<sney>I don't think it's going to work for opera
23:59<sney>but you'll have flash in all the other browsers
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