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---Logopened Fri May 20 00:00:38 2011
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00:00<ceno>no man, it works in opera!!!!!
00:00<ceno>yee haw
00:00<sney>oh! good to know
00:01<ceno>I didn't know this thing had a pc-speaker
00:01<ceno>$20 thrift-store computer
00:01<sney>most motherboards do
00:02<ceno>this is like, not a piezo speaker or whatever
00:02<sney>if you want to disable it, you can put "blacklist pcspkr" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, and to turn it off right now, run 'xset b off'
00:02<ceno>I hear sound clearly
00:02<sney>oh hm
00:02<ceno>I can do it in sound volume or whatever bc I'm not that leet
00:02<sney>is it an old compaq? some of those had absurdly high quality internal speakers
00:03<ceno>it's just an old dell desktop
00:03<ceno>like you might find in a crap old library
00:03<ceno>that's so cool, I have flash now in opera
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00:04<ceno>nothing against you mozilla folk
00:04<sney>man, you're like some of the users I used to support, I'd tell them how to do something and they'd come back with "oh, I don't know how to do that, I'm not good with computers"
00:04<sney>dude, I just told you.
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00:04<ceno>I know man, I don't want to issue that command, I just turned the volume to zero
00:04<sney>fair enough
00:05<sney>when you said pc speaker, I thought you were referring to the annoying beeping anyway
00:05<ceno>nooo, it's something else. I love the beeps
00:05<ceno>I used to program songs for them in Pascal
00:06<sney>not such a noob perhaps
00:06<ceno>in linux, yes
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00:06<ceno>before debian I only TRIED DSL and a bit of puppy
00:06<ceno>debian's pretty good though, I like it
00:06<ceno>really capable... room for my skill to expand
00:06<sney>yeah. it's solid, established, the devs really know what they're doing
00:07<ceno>plus if I really wanna be a IT guy, I should just lern2 linuz anyway
00:07<ceno>I want to run an apache server
00:07<ceno>off of this machine
00:08<ceno>I bought 5 WRT54G from the thrift store, >$20 each
00:08<sney>not that tough to set up, eally
00:08<ceno>and loaded dd-wrt
00:08<ceno>I want to make a mini-isp
00:08<ceno>in an apartment
00:08<ceno>or something
00:08<ceno>small town
00:09<ceno>there was a business who did that in my backwater alabama college smalltown
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00:09<ceno>they got bought out so there would be no competition
00:09<ceno>my dream is to really make darknets
00:09<ceno>independent nets for people
00:09<ceno>and maybe on top of that there can be really cheap internet for the people
00:10<sney>sounds cool
00:10<ceno>yeah I love networking, so I decide I should just dive in!
00:10<ceno>I've learned a lot about routing just from using this WRT!
00:11<ceno>I'm using the WRT in client-bridged mode to connect to my access point.
00:11<ceno>and I have ethernet from this crapDell to it
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00:11<ceno>what I originally wanted to be able to do is run kismet on one of these suckers
00:12<ceno>but they're all late model routers so they have reduced space on them for that
00:12<ceno>but even still, they'd work as commercial routers
00:13<ceno>or I could sell wifi-turnkey to the local shops in town
00:13<sney>and you couldn't do better than debian stable as your headquarters
00:13<ceno>people who don't know how to set up such services themselves
00:13<ceno>yeah, that's what I eventually figured
00:13<ceno>for remote managing all of them
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00:14<ceno>I just have more to learn... but as long as I still can, I will!
00:14<ceno>and I'm sure there'll be plenty of that!
00:15<ceno>I want to set up a printserver as well for my bro-in-law's business
00:15<ceno>I figure a cheapo computer could run it
00:15<ceno>and debian may be used for that as well
00:16<ceno>since through linux there can be used, Samba or whatever
00:16<ceno>I'm sure there's a program out there for it, to interface with the mixed (pc, mac) devices in their store
00:17<ceno>anyway thanks for all your help man.
00:17<ceno>I bow down before your mighty 1337ness
00:17<sney>I'm not that leet
00:17<ceno>haha. Yeah, if you can spout linux xommands off like that
00:17<ceno>you are d00d
00:18<sney>just memorization over time is all
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00:18<sney>I shocked myself when I realized I've been a debian user for about 11 years
00:18<ceno>haha well, you have valuable knowledge, and you invested the time in learning all of that stuff
00:18<nevyn>sney: newb
00:18<sney>nevyn: :P
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00:19<sney>yeah, I started with Potato! that's, like, 7 years after debian was founded!
00:19<nevyn>I started using debian just as potato was releasing.
00:19<ceno>you guys.....
00:19<nevyn>so I started with a ham install then upgraded to frozen potato
00:19<sney>that just sounds like leftovers
00:20<ceno>you guys are so smart and nerdy! I love it!
00:20<ceno>I don't have any smart nerdy friends
00:20<ceno>I went to art school and it sucks!
00:20<ceno>I don't have LAN parties anymore :(
00:20*nevyn kinda wants to do an arts degree.
00:21<ceno>DO NOT DO IT
00:21<nevyn>MBA or MSI
00:21<sney>this conversation is now for #debian-offtopic
00:21<ceno>just get books on it orsomthing
00:21<sney>because imagine if some poor soul needed help, and they came in and saw us all yakking about art degrees :P
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01:28<ceno>how do I get foreign characters to render properly?? I can't see korean or japanese
01:29<sney>as long as you have a unicode locale (set up in the install - UTF-8) all you need is fonts
01:29<sney>the japanese font I use is packaged as ttf-vlgothic
01:29<sney>I haven't found a good korean one yet though
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01:30<ceno>what if I didn't do that in install. I actually was trying to install, and trying to check an option for install, and hit enter... for next step and it proceeded before I could do anything
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01:30<ceno>so the only thing that happened was what was default selected
01:30<sney>I think it is the default these days
01:31<sney>in a terminal - echo $LANG
01:31<ceno>oh, US.UTF-8
01:32<sney>oh, look at this:
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01:33<sney>the unfonts one seems to be gone, though. hmm
01:33*sney researches
01:34<sney>oh, I see, they've been split into ttf-unfonts-core and ttf-unfonts-extra
01:36<sney>looks like -core is all you need
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01:40<ceno>Korean doesn't work!!!
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01:41<ceno>E: Unable to locate package ttf-cjk-compact-udeb
01:41<ceno>E: Unable to locate package ttf-compact-fonts
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01:41<ceno>E: Package 'ttf-unfonts' has no installation candidate
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01:42<ceno>no can find!!!!
01:42<sney>look at what I said !!!!!
01:43<ceno>ohhhhh sorry!!
01:43<sney>if you use more exclamation points, that makes it more urgent, I guess
01:44<sney>I even went and updated that wiki page.
01:44<ceno>wowza, good job!
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01:48<ceno>now I can read the facebook of this really cute korean girl, in debian!
01:48<ceno>while watching flash videos in opera!
01:48<sney>but can you actually read it?
01:48<ceno>we'll see
01:48<ceno>ohh yeah
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01:50<ceno>restarted opera! yeah it works!! wooo hoooo
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01:52<ceno>aww man
01:52<ceno>it doesn't copy over well .... in google translate. OTL
01:53<ceno>gt can't read the font or SOMETHING.
01:53<ceno>it worked back on windows. guess I have to learn korean ;_;
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01:54<sney>probably browser confusion.
01:54<sney>yeah, it pastes just dandy under chrome
01:54<ceno>내일 종말이와도 거시2,currenteconomicissue수업은 들어야지...
01:54<ceno>try that
01:55<sney>I see legos
01:55<sney>I think opera is playing some game with its own encoding :/
01:55<ceno>aww poopy
01:55<ceno>I don't have legos, that's strange
01:55<ceno>I installed that ttf-unfont-extra too
01:55<ceno>just for the heck of it
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01:56<ceno>those characters even display in this xchat window
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01:56<jm_>shows fine here
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01:57*sney double-checks his xchat config
01:58<sney>unicode. *shrug*
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01:58<ceno>it was google translate's problem
01:58<ceno>it autorecognized it as italian
01:58<ceno>once I selected korean
01:59<ceno>"The end tomorrow and even the macro 2, currenteconomicissue For classes that we ..."
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01:59<ceno>not the best translation but it works. weird that it thinks it's italian
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02:00<ceno>whart that fark
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02:57<Guest1592>when did Adobe agree to be free?
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03:05<nevyn>they didn't
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03:38<orbital>Looking for help with Ubuntu and Broadcom wireless cards...
03:38<orbital>Anyone available?
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03:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:47<ansgar>orbital: ^^^
03:47<orbital>Apologies. Connected to freenode second.
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04:01<orbital>@ansgar: How do you find Debian as a distro vs Ubuntu? dpkg seems to think Debian is superior...
04:03<OdyX>orbital: it is different… And I think dpkg is correct…
04:03<mjt>i don't see where dpkg said it's superior. dpkg said ubuntu is based on debian, that's right, and mentioned deban standards
04:03<mjt>so the two are based on different standards, that's all.
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04:04<mjt>besides, dpkg is a bot, fwiw.
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04:06<_Qman>Hello if anyone cares, I found out why I could only see 1Tb of ram
04:07<Arrowmaster>i wish i had 1Tb of ram
04:07<_Qman>the Bios was in 40Bits address mode not in 44Bits, which is why I could only see 1Tb
04:08<_Qman>but thanks for the help :-)
04:09<orbital>I know dpkg is a bot. "unlikely to live up to Debian's standards" is what I was referring to...
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04:12<Arrowmaster>its true
04:12<Arrowmaster>ubuntu is based off of unstable debian packages
04:13<OdyX>… and Ubuntu packages are way less bound to the level of strictness the Debian Policy requires.
04:13<orbital>Well from what I have seen, Ubuntu is for Linux newbs, like myself.
04:14<orbital>I feel as though I may have outgrown Ubuntu, but I'm worried my old hardware wont handle the switch.
04:14<Arrowmaster>debian has much higher standards than ubuntu, if you want those high standards then you would consider debian superior to ubuntu, if you dont care about those high standards you might consider ubuntu superior to debian for another reason
04:15<orbital>What standards do you speak of?
04:15<arand>_Qman: :D Glad you got it solved.
04:15<OdyX>orbital: using Debian is not very different to using Ubuntu. They share many packages (including user GUIs). Differences are repositories, installers, …
04:15<Arrowmaster>well there are strict policies in debian about how things get packaged
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04:16<orbital>Will Debian work right out of the box with my existing hardware?
04:16<fnmueller>orbital: ubuntu uses a lot of system ressources. So if the box runs well on ubuntu, there is a good chance it runs on any distro
04:17<orbital>My laptop runs fairly sluggish on Ubuntu, desktop runs fine.
04:17<OdyX>orbital: if Ubuntu does, the probability Debian (and any other FLOSS-based distribution) will is high.
04:17<Arrowmaster>one recent thing was that non-free binary firmware was moved to the non-free repo and isnt installed by default, so if you have a wireless card that doesnt have an open source driver it might not work
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04:18<orbital>Broadcom wireless card on the desktop, unfortunately.
04:18<arand>But it is quite easy to install it should you choose to do that..
04:18<fnmueller>orbital: and as long as you don't use kde or gnome and use lxde or something similar instead any box not older than 13 years should run pretty much just fine for the standard tasks. In the end, all the distros are linux distros
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04:20<orbital>I think it might be time to fool around with some new distros.
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04:21<fnmueller>orbital: well, what is there to test? all distros are based on the linux kernel and the same software. Choosing a distros is not about what it looks like (this is variable anyways) but about package managers and policy rules for how to treat the different things within the project
04:22<orbital>I'm running old hardware, I want lean and efficient.
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04:23<orbital>My laptop is an old piece of crap, but I need it to hold out for one more year of univeristy.
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04:24<fnmueller>orbital: and I don't take uninvented queries. But the difference between the different desktop environments can be researched using the search engine of your choice
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04:24<chl501>openbox seemingly consumes lesser memory, if old hardware has limit in ram.
04:24<fnmueller>orbital: there are distros that specialize on old hardware
04:25<satrionics>fluxbox is good
04:25<satrionics>what spec is the laptop orbital?
04:26<orbital>500MB RAM, 1.73 GHz processor, 60 GB HD.
04:26<bluewater>orbital: run a light weight desktop manager , , gnome and kde needs grunt, for example trying to run kde on 512 ram and be productive is a fail ( it will load, but forget trying to to stuff)
04:27<satrionics>lol that spec isnt that slow orbital
04:27<orbital>I partitioned 8GB to root, 2GB to swap, and the rest to home.
04:27<chl501>choosing alternative window manager which consumes less memory would be better.
04:27<satrionics>just need lxde or something
04:27<orbital>Oh its brutal, switching between processes is death, I get skips in music and movies, sometimes I wait for minutes at a time for the system to catch up.
04:28<fnmueller>hmm, that's a fast box orbital
04:28<fnmueller>well, you probably deploy gnome, so it must be slow
04:28<orbital>Gnome 2.32.1
04:29<orbital>Kernel 2.6.38-8-generic
04:29<fnmueller>well, as said, the specs are not that bad at all. Just use an efficient window manager and desktop environment
04:29<nevyn>or get additional sheep.
04:29<orbital>No more RAMS.
04:30<orbital>Cost effective solutions.
04:30<th>setting noatime mount option may help your system a bit
04:30<chl501>orbital: you probably can try e.g. apt-get install openbox so you don't lose gnome if you want to switch it back (to have at least one working desktop env).
04:31<orbital>I have /home backed up, I can go nuts.
04:31<chl501>or some other window manager e.g. fluxbok
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04:31<orbital>What does a mount option have to do with it @th?
04:31<bluenemo>does anyone know an aptitude one liner that lists all manually installed packages (so only what i type after aptitude install)?
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04:32<chl501>a stupid way -> go checking at /var/cache/apt/archives : p
04:32<chl501>but if apt-get clean then this doesn't work.
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04:33<orbital>Thanks all, I'll look into this more when it's not 4:30 AM
04:33<chl501>dpkg --get-selections might be the command you are looking for.
04:33<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, chl501
04:33<th>well... a bit of cpu time
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04:33<th>is saved
04:34<th>less i/o
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04:34<bluenemo>chl501, i know but dpkg's output is to long, i only want whats installed by hand. i had an aptitude command for that once but dont find the note anymore :(
04:35<orbital>Interesting. I got some homework to do/
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04:35<DerHartmut>Hi @ all
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04:40<dpkg>To list uninstalled recommended packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; See also <obsolete> <not available> <bdo list> <dmm list> <which repo> <aptitude clone> <sort by size> <aptitude why> <aptitude search> <aptitude ops> <aptitude states>
04:40<jm_>bluenemo: ^^^^^^^
04:41<th>aptitude search '~i!~M'
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04:45<bluenemo>yeah i already have that one but there was a way to narrow it down just to the names one typed in to install..
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04:49<th>aptitude -F '%p' search '~i!~M'
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04:51<ferni>hmm, debian wiki should copy or link to this great entry on archwiki for 3g modems and pppd
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04:53<OdyX>ferni: too bad the Debian wiki can't be edited.
04:53<delliott>Hi, I asked this question a yesterday but nobody was around to answer. I am having a problem with text leaking between applications, as shown here I am running Debian Wheezy with gdm as my display manager and an Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller. Does anyone know what could be causing this problem? It happens when I switch between applications or virtual desktops.
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05:06<ayaka>delliott, because I can't see your picture, I just guess, do you open compiz ?
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05:10<delliott>ayaka, compiz is installed.
05:10<ayaka>delliott, compiz is enable ? would you mind change a imagine server?
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05:11<delliott>ayaka, I don't know if compiz is enabled. Should I be able to detect it in ps ?
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05:12<ayaka>delliott, no, it would cause more thing
05:12<delliott>ayaka, since I don't think I have a reason to actively use it, I will remove it and see if the problem disappears =)
05:13<ayaka>delliott, but you can use fusion-icon to close compiz
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05:15<delliott>ayaka, it turns out I don't actually have compiz installed. I was confused by the output of dpkg -l.
05:15<delliott>Do you have any other suggestions?
05:16<ayaka>delliott, no , would you mind reupdate your picture to another server
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05:18<delliott>ayaka, ok.
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05:20<ayaka>delliott, do you install driver ?
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05:21<delliott>ayaka, nothing deliberate.
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05:22<ayaka>delliott, yes or not ? I don't speak english
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05:22<delliott>ayaka, sorry. I have no installed a driver for my graphics card.
05:22<delliott>I am using what is provided by Debian during install.
05:23<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>, <nopointer>. #intel-gfx on
05:24<delliott>ayaka, xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
05:24<delliott>!intel-gfx shadow
05:24<dpkg>The shadow option for the intel Xorg driver in Debian is automatically enabled if an 8xx chipset is detected ( Using the shadow buffer disables GPU RENDER acceleration, forcing software fallbacks; see intel(4) for rationale. To override (n.b. this is a system stability risk), create an xorg.conf file - ask me about <xorg config squeeze> - and define 'Option "Shadow" "false"' in the Device section.
05:24<dpkg>On systems with the Intel 855GM integrated graphics chipset, a regression in linux-2.6 2.6.32-31 (part of the <6.0.1> point release) renders the mouse pointer invisible in X, also affecting video overlays (Debian bug #618665). To redisplay the pointer, suspend and resume the system. Fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, ask me about <proposed-updates>.
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05:25<ayaka>delliott, you shall ask dpkg in private
05:25<delliott>ayaka, thanks.
05:26<ayaka>delliott, youu are welcome
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05:34<delliott>ayaka, this looks most similar to my problem
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06:09<budo>anyone manage to get java working in epiphany?
06:09<amitz>budo: can you make java works in iceweasel?
06:10<th>is sun-java6-plugin installed?
06:10<budo>amitz: never tried
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06:13<Black_Prince>!tell budo about install java
06:13<budo>hmm, thats strange..........its working now
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06:15<budo>I did do the symbolic link thing, but I guess I really needed that plugin th suggested too.....thanks th : )
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06:37<Nick-MAD>hi all
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08:39<pufa>again to ask for help with my wireless
08:39<pufa>wicd "see" my wireless
08:39<pufa>but when i try to connect to it
08:39<pufa>it says bad password on wpa2 :(
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08:42<sret>so i tried jslinux
08:42<sret>works on iceweasel but i fail to see the point of using jslinux
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08:42<sret>however nice proof of concept
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09:00<Marezz>Hello everyone! :)
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09:17<adam58>hi, i just installed lubuntu for the first time, and was having trouble getting my sound card detected. it's a tascam us122. when following the instructions i used to set it up on ubuntu 11.04, it gave me an error saying no such folder as /proc/bus/usb.. any ideas? thanks
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09:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:18<adam58>there isn't one person in #lubuntu and no one is talking here.. can no one at least talk with me in pvt about it?
09:19<ichdasich>adam58: connect to and joint #ubuntu
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09:20<adam58>ichdasich: ok, that's what i've been on for about a week and it's suuuch a useless channel, but... ok whatever
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09:20<ichdasich>adam58: the other option is to go to, download a copy of squeeze and use that.
09:21<grove>adam58: There are other options than IRC, there are plenty of ubuntu webforums
09:21<grove>ichdasich's solution is good too
09:21<adam58>ok thanks i'll try that
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09:22<nevyn>adam58: google for us122 linux support the device is somewhat hit and miss
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09:23<Marezz>Hey everyone, I have suse atm and I plan to install debian but I want to keep /home, Is there gonna be some kind of conflict if I keep /home from suse?
09:23<adam58>nevyn: ya i've been doing that endlessly (four all nighters in the past week) and i finally got it working for ubuntu 11.04 but for some reason there's no usb folder in /proc/bus/ on lubuntu.. guess i'll keep trying at #ubuntu :((( lol
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09:24<nevyn>adam58: when you're testing patches at 4am then going to work talk to me about it.
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09:24<adam58>nevyn: haha ya that's pretty bad.. it's so hard to pull yourself away from
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09:25<ichdasich>Marezz: is /home on a seperate partition/lv?
09:25<Marezz>ichdasich, Yes /home is separated
09:25<ichdasich>then there should be no apperant problems.
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09:25<grove>Marezz: The distribution shouldn't matter, but they might have different versions of some software, that will cause issues when finding configuration from older/newer versions
09:26<Marezz>ichdasich, I have noticed that there are configuration files for each program in /home
09:26<Marezz>thats why I was asking
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09:27<Marezz>grove, So It would be better to remove those files before new install?
09:27<grove>Marezz: I would just try
09:29<Marezz>grove, Whats the worst that can happen if I keep them?
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09:30<grove>Marezz: That you'll have to remove them before the program will work
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09:43<Guest1630>hi linux newbie here, when installing debian - setting up the partitioner stalls at 50%
09:43<Guest1630>what's my next move?
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09:43<Prathibha>While installing debian from internet using mini iso I get the error as Loading debootstrap-udeb failed for unknown reason. How to solve it?
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09:52<connor>where should i ask for help with vnc
09:52<OdyX>Try here.
09:53<connor>okay, well so far i have vnc connecting but only locally, the ssh tunnel drops my connection immediatly, and when i connect locally i have a blank screen on the client (tightvnc)
09:54<babilen>connor: Or #videolan on
09:54<OdyX>babilen: v_n_c, not v_l_c … :->
09:55<babilen>OdyX: Sometimes I hate my internal spelling corrections ;)
09:55*MrFrood giggles
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09:57<connor>i am assuming it isn't connecting through the ssh tunnel either because of openssh_config or some other permission issue
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09:58<connor>but if i can at least have it work locally first then i can figure out the ssh after
09:59<connor>what are some reasons I would get a blank screen on tightvnc? tightvnc is running on windows and i disabled aero
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09:59<tjader>what server are you using?
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10:01<connor>ill try uninstalling the server and reinstalling
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10:06<Guest1630>linux newbie here, when installing debian - setting up the partitioner stalls at 5
10:06<Guest1630>that's 50%
10:06<mjt>there's a bugreport about that recently
10:06<Guest1630>ive tried both 64 and 32 bit installations
10:07<Guest1630>any fix?
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10:07<Guest1630>im installing from usb
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10:09<tjader> is the report
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10:10<Guest1630>cheers looking over it now
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10:12<Guest1630>mine doesn't hang while 'scanning discs' though. its while 'setting up the partitioner'
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10:15<babilen>Guest1630: Well, a look at alt-f4 and syslog would be a good idea. Any errors you can spot?
10:16<Guest1630>well im trying to install it on this machine - should i retry and press alt-f4 when it hangs again?
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10:18<babilen>Guest1630: Yes, and also get a console and check the syslog. It is *very* hard to debug a problem without additional data. :)
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10:18<connor>okay ive uninstalled my previous vnc4server and now installed tightvncserver and i am still having the same issues
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10:19<Guest1630>sorry but what is a console and how do i check the syslog?
10:20<Guest1630>ok console seems to be what you get when you press alt-f4
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10:24<connor>does anyone know what is wrong with my vnc setup?
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10:39<Marezz>How much space should I give to root?
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10:39<pasquale>ciao a tutti
10:39<melmothX`>Marezz: root as / or root as reserver for root?
10:40<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
10:40<Marezz>melmothX`, root as /
10:40<melmothX`>are you planning other partitions?
10:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 502] by debhelper
10:41<Marezz>Just the usual, "/", "swap" and /home
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10:41<melmothX`>i'd say go with 15/20 Gb for a generous Os
10:41<melmothX`>problems with that?
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10:42<Marezz>nope ^^
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10:52<nardev>why debian channel on free node has more visitors than this one :D?
10:53<miko>May be because freenode is the historical server ?
10:53<sney>freenode is just huge in general
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10:54<miko>When installing a squeeze distribution on a computer I confused the ip static adress : what is the simplest way to change it ?
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10:54<miko>I know I have to modify /etc/network/interfaces,
10:54<miko>Is there another file to modify ?
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10:55<babilen>miko: no
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10:56<miko>babilen: even for routing, hostname, and things like that
10:56<babilen>miko: Not for the hostname, but I thought you just "confused" the static IP address
10:56<dpkg>Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname.
10:57<miko>babilen : I gave the wrong IP, and the installer get the wrong name, which I not noticed
10:57<miko>dpkg : thanks
10:57<dpkg>sure thing, miko
10:58<kop>miko: dpkg is a bot.
10:58<kop>!nice bot
10:58<dpkg>Thanks! Meet me in #debian-offtopic where I can pat _your_ tush?
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10:58<miko>dpkg: sorry, I am french and I don't clearly understand
10:58<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, miko
10:59<babilen>miko: dpkg is a bot (i.e. a computer program)
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10:59<miko>babilen: It gives answers which look correct :-)
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11:00<babilen>miko: Yeah, we work hard on its database :)
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11:00<SynrG>we give answers which look correct too. maybe some of us are bots.
11:00<miko>Thanks, I will try
11:01<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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11:05<grove>What's the right way to set a compose key in X when using xfce (on squeeze)? The right windows key already works in console
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11:07<phillipsjk>Hello. Is there an easy way to check if my openssh-blacklist is new enough? uname -a: Linux workhorse 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sat Dec 27 08:57:46 UTC 2008 i586 GNU/Linux
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11:08<SynrG>grove: configuring it in /etc/default/keyboard should work
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11:09<grove>SynrG: Already have 'XKBOPTIONS="compose:rwin"
11:09<SynrG>or that
11:09<grove>' in there
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11:09<SynrG>oh. gdm is probably screwing you over
11:09<phillipsjk>looks like it was last updated July 2008:
11:09<shaik>Hi...Guys....Can you please tell me that how to assign delete permission in vsftpd.conf
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11:10<shaik>actually i don't want to delete my files and folders...somebody in my ftp server
11:10<grove>phillipsjk: I haven't heard of any reasons why it should have changed, so you're probably safe, but what version do you have?
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11:11<SynrG>grove: i think there's a bug against gdm about that (or gdm3 ...)
11:11<SynrG>grove: try shutting gdm(3) down and startx
11:12<grove>SynrG: Okay, would replacing gdm with xdm help?
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11:13<Tuhin>hi r4co0n , join #debian-offtopic
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11:15<SynrG>grove: possibly. i think we (a friend of mine i was helping) found in a gdm session script some stuff which didn't faithfully translate his capslock disabling ... i think we just needed to install a more recent gdm3 to fix it.
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11:15<SynrG>grove: so look at closed gdm3 bugs
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11:17<SynrG>bleah ... i can't find it anymore. so one of my search terms is clearly wrong :(
11:17<SynrG>and i gotta work. later
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11:28<phillipsjk>apt-cache show openssh-blacklist lists the version as 0.1.1. Now just have to figure out if it is actually installed (later).
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11:30<shaik>Hi,,,need help...can you please..tell to assign delete permission for ftpuser using vsftpd...actually i dont want to delete my files and folder somebody can you please help me
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11:34<microcluster>hi guys
11:34<microcluster>problem with wifi connections !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:34<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
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11:35<Black_Prince>Can I write few exclamation marks too?
11:35<microcluster>dpkg, i've broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
11:35<dpkg>microcluster: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
11:36<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 is a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer.
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11:37<microcluster>dpkg, i've already installed all, but sometimes my notebook lost the connection and isn't possible for me make new
11:37<dpkg>microcluster: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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11:37<microcluster>dpkg, i've already installed all, but sometimes my notebook lost the connection
11:37<dpkg>microcluster: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
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11:38<Black_Prince>microcluster, dpkg is an irc bot
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11:39<Black_Prince>However, tell us what debian version are you using?
11:39<microcluster>Black_Prince, how can it give me answer ?
11:39<microcluster>Black_Prince, debian squeeze
11:39<Black_Prince>You see those words I type begining with ! ?
11:41<Black_Prince>And also microcluster, have you looked at Troubleshooting section at ?
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11:41<microcluster>Black_Prince, yes i read all and i think my machine is ok
11:41<Black_Prince>microcluster, have you tried this workaround? echo options b43 pio=1 qos=0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
11:41<microcluster>Black_Prince, i can't understand where's the problem... : (
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11:42<microcluster>Black_Prince, no , what is it ?
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11:42<Black_Prince>Type this into your terminal (as root): echo options b43 pio=1 qos=0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
11:43<Black_Prince>And then run modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43
11:43<r4co0n>I set up my eeepc901 with debian squeeze. i configured two crypto partitions within an lvm for home and swap, the latter with auto-generated key. On shutdown the LVM container wants to close before the home partition gets unmounted, which fails. I want to tell Debian to first shutdown the crypto drives and afterwards close the LVM. How to?
11:43<miko>bye, thanks for helping
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11:45<microcluster>Black_Prince, i haven't /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
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11:46<Black_Prince>microcluster, command I gave you should create it.
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11:47<microcluster>Black_Prince, all done
11:48<Black_Prince>Can you connect now?
11:48<microcluster>Black_Prince, yes
11:49<Black_Prince>microcluster, does it drop randomly?
11:49<microcluster>Black_Prince, is it hard to know now
11:49<microcluster>Black_Prince, because it's a problem that i've at home
11:50<microcluster>Black_Prince, what does it means the command the you give me?
11:50<Black_Prince>microcluster, is your home network encrypted? How are you connecting? (Via network-manager, wicd or ifupdown)
11:51<Black_Prince>microcluster, I am not sure. It adds some options to broadcom module, but I am not sure what they mean. They were on debian wiki site about broadcom and were specific for your model.
11:51<microcluster>Black_Prince, i'm use wap connection at work and at home
11:51<microcluster>Black_Prince, and i use network-manager
11:52<microcluster>Black_Prince, because i need gsm connection too
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11:52<Black_Prince>Well microcluster, some were saying that network-manager causes problems. If problems still persist, purge it and install wicd.
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11:53<microcluster>Black_Prince, i read this problem but if i install wicd how can i use a gsm connection ?
11:54<Black_Prince>microcluster, I am afraid I don't have an answer for that question.
11:54<r4co0n>To rephrase my question: How to tell squeeze to stop all crypto disks before shutting down my LVM Volume Group?
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11:55<microcluster>Black_Prince, so thanks for help me when i'll connect my notebook at home
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11:56<microcluster>Black_Prince, i'll check if your suggestion is ok or not
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11:56<Black_Prince>microcluster, if something goes wrong, just remove /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
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11:58<microcluster>Black_Prince, ok thanks
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12:03<Marezz>It seems that something is wrong with my repos, after the install it kept telling me to insert debian cd for binaries or something, then I disabled cdrom repo. Here is the screenshot of repos and screenshot of synaptic error + pastebin from that error
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12:06<Marezz>Could someone help me?
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12:06<wym>is anybody here
12:07<satrionics>who needs help?
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12:07<Marezz>I do, please take a look at my previous posts
12:07<wym>i know
12:08<wym>thank you
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12:10<retrospectacus>Marezz: Good morning. I would switch the mirror to where cc is your favourite country
12:10<satrionics>try this marezz
12:10<retrospectacus>that mirror is overloaded sometimes
12:10<satrionics>sources list generator
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12:11<satrionics>just select your country, and tick the ones you want, then do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and add them to that (delete your old ones if you no longer want them)
12:11<Marezz>satrionics, There is no my country there
12:11<ml|>or choose one /msg dpkg mirrors
12:11<Marezz>I need fast european mirror
12:11<retrospectacus>try .fr
12:11<grove>I can't download that file if I use the se mirror (my preferred, even though I'm in Denmark) either
12:12<satrionics>then sudo apt-get update
12:12<retrospectacus>or .be or .se - whatever's close to you
12:12<Marezz>retrospectacus, But why was I getting those errors?
12:12<grove>So I suspect sometimes else is wrong, but I can't see anything wrong with the sources
12:12<retrospectacus>because the mirror is having some problem, I guess
12:12<Marezz>retrospectacus, It was asking me to insert debian dvd for some reason
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12:13*retrospectacus shrug ... I haven't used Synaptic
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12:15<Marezz>Im from Serbia, but there is no mirrors for my country.. dont know which one to pick
12:15<grove>Unless you setup preferences, apt will prefer the first source (that has the newest version), so when dvd's are listed, ot will ask for those
12:15<grove>Marezz: If you know something about your ISP
12:17<grove>'s connections, choose a country that you know they have good connections to, otherwise I would suggest choosing a major european country at random (that could be fr or de)
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12:18<grove>(it's also possible to download packages files from several and choose the fastest, but that's a lot of work, with little gain)
12:18<r4co0n>marezz: to find the fastest mirror, you can apparently use netselect-apt, see
12:18<dacqueries>hi all, does anyone know of an ldap manager that will create local user at the same time?
12:18<r4co0n>marezz, netselect-apt does for you what grove considers bothersome to do manually
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12:19<grove>r4co0n: Never heard of netselect-apt
12:19<Marezz>r4co0n, Have you checked the screenshots and pastebin that I posted?
12:19<grove>Marezz: I think I spotted the error, you have a / in squeeze/updates (fifth source) that should be a -
12:20<r4co0n>grove, me neither, just googled it up.
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12:22<Marezz>r4co0n, I tried putting DE mirrors but now it wont reload them completly
12:22<r4co0n>Marezz, grove is right, has to be corrected
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12:22<r4co0n>correct the flaw in the file, then lets see...
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12:24<r4co0n>Marezz, i got squeeze/updates too in my sources.list
12:24<r4co0n>works like a charm
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12:24<r4co0n>sorry for confusion
12:24<Marezz>now I changed it...
12:24<Marezz>but I didnt get an error like before
12:24<r4co0n>change it back sry
12:24<Marezz>Now that I changed it like you said before I dont get an error
12:25<r4co0n>thats strange...
12:25<grove>Marezz: Looking a the list of mirrors, I think the closest one to you is either (Bosnia and Herzegovina), (Croatia) or (Hungary)
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12:26<grove>Some mirrors might have a symlink, but for the se one (that I tested against) it only works with a squeeze-updates
12:26<Marezz>It keeps putting back to main server...
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12:26<Marezz>I have mixed sources now, US and DE
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12:27<daemonkeeper>that's no problem after all
12:27<r4co0n>marezz, squeeze/updates for, at 'normal' mirrors u use squeeze-updates
12:28*r4co0n finds this rather confusing
12:28<Marezz>Why wont it change to DE server like i put it?
12:29<Marezz>Its still Main server after reload
12:29<Marezz>and US and DE servers in sources
12:29<grove>Marezz: When you have several mirrors in sources.list, it will normally use the fist
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12:30<r4co0n>marezz, grove wrote a few minutes ago "Unless you setup preferences, apt will prefer the first source (that has the newest version), so when dvd's are listed, ot will ask for those"
12:31<Marezz>r4co0n, Is this ok?
12:31<r4co0n>marezz, meaning, put german servers first if u want them to be preferred
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12:32<grove>Marezz: You're only using German servers for squeeze-updates, not much software will come from there
12:33<cirzgamanti>i'm trying to install testing via netinst image on usb-stick, and after loading the image it tells me "there was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM". i'm not trying to read from cd-rom, any idea what's going wrong here?
12:33<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: the installer assumes it a cd-rom. Read USB-Stick.
12:34<cirzgamanti>ah ok, anyway it fails to copy the file from it. what could be the reason?
12:34<r4co0n>what is 'the file'?
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12:35<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: is it writing this rightaway after trying to boot from the usb-stick?
12:35<Marezz>How to install the Debian Multimedia Keyring?
12:36<cirzgamanti>i'm in the debian installer, which works ok up to selecting the keyboard layout
12:36<cirzgamanti>then it tries to load the image, and fails.
12:37<r4co0n>cirzgamanti, did u check the md5sum of the downloaded image? if not, u should do that now to make sure its no transmission error
12:37<grove>Marezz: That's a FAQ (actually the very first question in the list) at
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12:39<Marezz>grove is that authentication key?
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12:40<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: Are you doing what I supposed rn?
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12:40<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
12:40<retrospectacus>hmm I thought there was something about the signing key there
12:41<r4co0n>retrospectatus: there!
12:41<retrospectacus>!dmm squeeze
12:41<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
12:41<retrospectacus>who needs external sites
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12:42<r4co0n>who needs chanflood when the answer is obvious?
12:43<r4co0n>Marezz, $sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
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12:48<vook>what would precede /etc/hosts in name resolution ? I've updated an /etc/hosts file and name resolution continues to be using old values, even after reboot.
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12:50<cirzgamanti>r4co0n: sorry, was away; yes, it has the same md5sum
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12:51<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: How did u copy the img to usb?
12:52<grove>vook: See /etc/nsswitch.conf
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12:52<cirzgamanti>i just copied it into the root dir via cp
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12:52<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: dd if=~/myimgfile of=/dev/usbstick
12:53<vook>grove: thx, ya apparently NIS was the culprit
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12:53<cirzgamanti>hm, i think i remember doing it the way i do it now before and it worked. but i'll try it that way.
12:53<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: thats the way it works. find your usb stick, sdX, by looking at sudo fdisk -l
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12:53<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: or by asking your file manager properties for the usb stick
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12:54<Marezz>How to enable desktop effects? dont need cube and all that stuff, just minimize/maximize animation
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12:55<cirzgamanti>the way i did it i created a fs from boot.img.gz, then copied the .iso file into it. i'll use dd, thx if it works! :)
12:55<insomnia>I was wondering, why is still needed to apply the swap rule? (1.5 * RAM) Does it still makes sense?
12:55<r4co0n>cirzgamanti, be careful with dd, it copies rare data, if you specify the wrong output-file(of), it could do some damage. Probably needs root rights...
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12:56<Black_Prince>insomnia, one of the reason is to use hibernation. It should be bigger than total ammount of memory + a little that may be used already to save all working proccesses state
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12:56<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: I seem to remember following a guide that proposed exactly that, but I wasnt successful, dont know if I even managed to get an installation screen. By using dd it works for me.
12:57<r4co0n>cirzgamanti: Specify the usb-drive rather than its partition, so something without a number in the end.
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12:58<cirzgamanti>r4co0n: i did
12:59<insomnia>The fact is, my computer has 4gb of ram, and I have 4gb of swap. Everything just works fine, I can hibernate and it works as it is supposed to do. I'm going to buy a laptop that will have 8 gb of ram as default (can't change it). Why should I spend 8 gb for swap if 4gb are already enough? After all they will have the same distro, this is what I don't understand o.o
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13:02<grove>insomnia: With 8GB ram hibernation won't work with just 4GB of swap
13:02<Black_Prince>insomnia, you are not only one that is confused. But guess your memory usage is 7.6GB (You'll hardly get up to that., but it could happen), and you want to hibernate? But you have only 4GB of swap ...
13:04<insomnia>I see
13:04<r4co0n>I suppose if you don't want to use hibernation but are happy with suspend to RAM, u can use a swap file that is much smaller.
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13:05<r4co0n>I set up my netbook with no swap for over a year and never experienced a problem because of that. That may be because I didnt try to provoke one, dunno...
13:05<r4co0n>Hibernation never worked, thats for sure
13:05<insomnia>in this case it would be better, because I'm going to install at least 3 linux distros. which means I would use 24 gb just for hibernation
13:05<r4co0n>insomnia, u can use the same swap space for all distros
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13:06<insomnia>didn't know that
13:06<insomnia>sounds great actually
13:06<retrospectacus>you can also use the same /home partition if you feel brave.
13:07<retrospectacus>I wouldn't recommend it
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13:07<plexosolar>how can I delete a virtual packets (v) with aptitude?
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13:07<insomnia>nah, too risky xD
13:08<insomnia>I guess I'd go just by suspending the system, it's far enough
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13:08<themill>plexosolar: they're virtual... what are you really trying to do?
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13:10<plexosolar>I do aptitude purge proftpd, and if I do aptitude search proftpd -----------------> (v) proftpd
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13:12<Haleon>Hey guys, if wget didn't work on my system, and I had confirmed that a network firewall wasn't the cause of the problem, where would you guys check next? I'm a total linux noob, btw
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13:14<retrospectacus>wget says what?
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13:14<Haleon>Resolving,,, ...
13:14<Haleon>Connecting to||:80...
13:14<Haleon>eventually it will time out
13:15<retrospectacus>ping times out?
13:15<Haleon>yes, but my firewall does block ping.
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13:16<retrospectacus>how about telnet 80
13:17<Haleon>right now it is saying trying
13:17<Haleon>It doesn't look like it's going to connect
13:17<retrospectacus>must be your firewall
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13:18<Haleon>I mean, I agree that it definitely appears that way, but I really don't think it is. For one, I get no denies in my firewall logs, and two, any other machine on the subnet can make these outbound connections just fine
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13:19<retrospectacus>what *does* work?
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13:20<omni>Can anyone help me with a Display setting issue on Debian?
13:20<Haleon>lol, I can SSH into it. The web server on it works (runs snort). It can connect with other machines on the LAN. Just can't seem to get outbound access
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13:20<retrospectacus>omni: just ask
13:21<retrospectacus>Haleon: perhaps it's missing a default route
13:21<Haleon>ooh, that's a good idea
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13:21<Haleon>how do I check the route table in linux?
13:21<retrospectacus>route -n
13:21<toabctl>svn:// is not available. is this correct?
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13:22<retrospectacus>toabctl: connection refused. Where did you get that url?
13:22<Haleon>it has a correct default route, but what does the UG flag mean? The other routes just have a U flag
13:22<retrospectacus>G for gateway, that's right
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13:23<retrospectacus>Haleon: you can ping the gateway?
13:23<Haleon>jeez, this is weird
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13:23<Haleon>the gateway responds fine
13:23<omni>Is there any way to "slide" the screen over so it matches up w/ my monitor. Right now it is off by a few pixels and the way i'm fixing the problem right now is auto adjust on my monitor. When i log into my other system i need to do it again so i can see everything again.
13:24<Haleon>damn, it must be the firewall
13:24<Haleon>but it's so weird that the other machines on the subnet are fine
13:24<retrospectacus>omni: set the resolution to the same thing as the "other system" - should be fine
13:24<retrospectacus>omni: this a CRT?
13:25<omni>Both are 1280x1024 resolution. on a flatscreen monitor.
13:25<retrospectacus>omni: could be the display driver then. What's your video card?
13:26<toabctl>retrospectacus, from .
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13:26<omni>retrospectacus, I believe it is an Nvidia card.
13:26<toabctl>retrospectacus, i just tried svn checkout
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13:27<retrospectacus>toabctl: there is no A record for the svn subdomain
13:27<omni>retrospectacus, Nvidia Gforce 6150SE
13:27<retrospectacus>toabctl: scratch that, there is
13:27<retrospectacus>I just can't read
13:27<toabctl>retrospectacus, "svn checkout svn://" worked 2 days ago and now it does not work
13:28<retrospectacus>omni: what does xrandr say? Make a pastebin please
13:29<omni>retrospectacus, still kinda new w/ linux and Debian i'm really new w/ this os. What is a pastebin?
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13:30<retrospectacus>omni: a website where you can put a large text so that we can read it, without spamming the channel.
13:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
13:31<omni>retrospectacus, k, give me a minute to get it on there.
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13:32<retrospectacus>toabctl: not sure, looks like that server is running but does not appear to serve anything
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13:32<Silicium01>Does php fastcgi package exist for squeeze?
13:33<retrospectacus>Silicium01: yes
13:33<Silicium01>retrospectacus, I see there is php5-cgi, but I'm not sure if it's same as fastcgi
13:34<retrospectacus>Silicium01: I think you need that and libapache2-mod-fcgid
13:34<Silicium01>retrospectacus, no, I want a standalone package I think I'm running it with other web server
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13:35<toabctl>retrospectacus, should i fill a bug report?
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13:37<retrospectacus>Silicium01, ehh not too positive but try with just php5-cgi - you may of course read about them with aptitude show php5-cgi, etc
13:38<retrospectacus>toabctl: hmm perhaps
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13:42<retrospectacus>toabctl: it's undergoing upgrades.
13:42<retrospectacus>(alioth == svn)
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13:58<riley>does anyone know how to print to the screen in python without a newline?
13:58<riley>like say i want to print "status 1/100"
13:58<riley>then make that "2/100" without a new line
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13:59<gnusosa_>riley: ask in #python :)
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14:13<dominick>Hi! Which version of debian can recognise the 16GB of RAM on my desktop?
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14:14<cthuluh>i386 with a bigmem kernel or amd64 if you can use it
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14:15<dominick>cthuluh: I have a debian DVD. can I use it to install the bigmem kernel?
14:15<cthuluh>I'd say no. but in fact I don't know :)
14:16<dominick>cthuluh: and y'd u say 'if you can use it' to amd64?
14:17<cthuluh>because I don't know if you have a x86_64 processor (supported by the 'amd64' architecture)
14:17<cthuluh>but a laptop with 16GB of ram is very likely to use a x86_64 cpu
14:17<dominick>cthuluh: oh! I got an i7, and i guess it is x86_64
14:17<cthuluh>it is
14:18<retrospectacus>now the Q is: did you download the amd64 DVD?
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14:18<devil>which is to prefer over a bibmem kernel
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14:18<devil>and bigmem also.
14:18<dominick>retrospectacus: no! I have to. But i already have the i386. That's why I asked if I could install bigmem from it.
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14:19<retrospectacus>I also do not know that particular factoid.
14:19<retrospectacus>you can download a bigmem kernel afterwards easily enough though
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14:20<devil>well, isnt amd64 preferrable in that case? bigmem used to have quite some overhead?
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14:20<cthuluh>quite, as in less than 2%?
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14:20<devil>i dont know any figures, but even 2% is 2%.
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14:21<cthuluh>I wouldn't care. other people would probably
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14:24<dominick>if I install amd64, should I expect any surprises? I've been using the latest stable for three years now.
14:26<chealer>dominick: compared to i386?
14:26<dominick>chealer: yes.
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14:26<chealer>dominick: did you ask #debian-amd64 ?
14:26<dominick>chealer: no! I didn't no that existed.
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14:27<neto>alguem pode me ajudar como usa isto
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14:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:29<gnusosa_>that seems like portuguese :P
14:29<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
14:30<dominick>chealer: too few people there am not getting a reply!
14:30<retrospectacus>dominick: try #python over on freenode. There are 470 ppl there
14:31<retrospectacus>oop this is #python-unregistered I am in on freenode
14:31<dominick>retrospectacus: err... why would I want to ask something about debian in #python? and that too on freenode?
14:31<chealer>dominick: oh sorry I didn't realize you were here before
14:31<retrospectacus>923 ppl in #python
14:32<chealer>retrospectacus: I think you're confusing dominick with somebody else
14:32<retrospectacus>dominick: sorry I was thinking of riley
14:32<retrospectacus>chealer: quite
14:32*retrospectacus need more coffee
14:32<rss>retrospectacus, sure you dont mean more beer
14:33<retrospectacus>rss: soon... still morning here but soon :)
14:33<chealer>dominick: the bigmem kernel is certainly on the first DVD, yes
14:33<rss>retrospectacus: definately coffee then
14:34<retrospectacus>I'll switch to beer at 16:00
14:34<retrospectacus>4.5 hours :(
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14:35<rss>retrospectacus: it's definatly beer time where I'm at :)
14:35<rss>retrospectacus: 20:35 here.
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14:36<retrospectacus>rss: lucky.
14:36<rss>retrospectacusL THX. I'll drinnk one for you. HMMMMMMMMM!
14:37<dominick>chealer: no, it's not. I checked the package list.
14:37<rss>chealer: why do you need a dvd?
14:37<retrospectacus>aaaahhhhh!!! thanks:)
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14:37<rss>chealer: business card amd64 iso should also work
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14:38<rss>retrospectacus: your welcome ;)
14:38<dominick>rss: Internet here is slow, and also not always on. So I got to download it when it's available.
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14:39<chealer>rss: you must be talking to dominick
14:39<rss>dominick: OK, I understand.
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14:39<chealer>!dvd contents
14:39<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at (e.g.
14:39<dominick>chealer: thanks. I did just that.
14:39<rss>chealer: My mistake. Sorry!
14:40<chealer>dominick: hum, you're right, it's on DVD3!
14:41<chealer>dominick: well as retrospectacus, you can get it from mirrors
14:41<chealer>s/retrospectacus/retrospectacus said/
14:41<dominick>I'd like to know if there're any cons of amd64.
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14:43<Nemoder>dominick: there used to be some cons with some proprietary software but they have all been resolved afaik
14:44<dominick>Nemoder: dpkg advices to prefer i386 over amd64, although he doesn't give a reason.
14:44<rss>dominick: I do not know. I use both but that is in xen virtualization environments with lots of resources available. 64 bit seems fine to me. I use them for production mailsevers and proxy or monitoring of servers so that is almost no load. I do not know what the desktop use limitations are
14:44<devil>dominick: afaik there is no reason anymore, as Nemoder says
14:45<Nemoder>possibly if you have really old hardware the amd64 image will not work but the i386 image will work on new hardware too
14:45<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
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14:46<Nemoder>!why amd64
14:46<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
14:47<dominick>cool! I'll try amd64 then!
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14:49<rss>dominick: I wish you success.
14:49<rss>dominick: and happy computing
14:50<dominick>and when it comes to propreitary hardware, I've got the nVidia 9400 and my wifi uses rt2400pci package. afaik, noveau should be take care of nVidia and rt2400pci is a free driver. Correct me if I'm wrong.
14:50<dominick>s/take/able to take
14:50<dominick>rss: thanks!
14:51<chealer>Nemoder: really? does Sun Java work on amd64?
14:51<Nemoder>chealer: openjdk works well
14:51<dominick>chealer: I use openjdk-jdk
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14:52<dominick>I switched to openjdk because eclipse galileo took about 40 seconds to startup in my old laptop with sun's jdk. When I switched to openjdk, it sprang right back at me... in less than 5 secs
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14:53<rss>dominick: I have amd/ati hardware on my laptop and the open source driver is good for me, but run sid and experimental somtimes. YMMV with nuveau on squeeze.
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14:55<gnusosa_>Can anybody confirm that nuveau is good a Twinview, and Xinerama?
14:55<dominick>rss: I have no problems using the same driver on squeeze in i386. I was asking if it's any different in amd64.
14:56<dominick>rss: I can always build from source as a fallback.
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14:56<dominick>I mean the same graphic card.
14:57<rss>dominick: it shouldn be any different. I was just stating that I do not have the experience to assist if things go wrong.
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14:58<chealer>dominick: hum, there must be a reason for that. OpenJDK is based on Sun Java
14:58<dominick>rss: I'm hoping it doesn't. I've only sensed a little reluctance on amd64 here, but not any problems!
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14:58<dominick>maybe because not many have tried, I'll post my experience once I have it configured...
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15:00<rss>dominick:: all my xen vm's are amd64 unless I have a _very_ pressing reason not to make them that! if 64bit is possible and the tools you need work, possibly with some manual assist, go for it.
15:02<_ronin>Hi i wanna connect to a vpn connection but i've got the connection failed to start
15:02<_ronin>any suggestion?
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15:02<rss>dominick: pressing reason is 32 bit hardware or specific tools not yet ported to amd64 that do not run in 32bit emulation
15:04<rss>gnusosa: with xrandr 1.3 xinerama is obsolete and I am not familiar with twinview. It that clone mode?
15:04<dominick>rss: are they really important ones?
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15:04<grove>SynrG: Starting X with startx does indeed preserve my compose key setting from, so it was gdm that messed with it, unfortunately so does gdm3 and xdm (in squeeze)
15:04<dominick>rss: I think I'm going to find out!
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15:04<rss>_ronin: what type of vpn are you trying to build /connect to?
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15:05<_ronin>rss: how can i get information about it?(sorry i don't know)
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15:07<rss>dominick: in my experience no. A small 32bit vm can always be built if you need one. I cannot think of concrete examples offhand. Most of the ones that I have come across are very specific in their needs. mostly dealing with hardware that does not have 64 bit modules for needed hardware.
15:08<grove>Is there any better way to set a compose key, than putting some xmodmap command in .xsession?
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15:09<arand>grove: gnome keyboard>layout>options is one way.
15:09<rss>_ronin: you stated you wanted to connect to a vpn. Therfore what tyoe of vpn are you trying to connect to? ipsec with psk, ipsec with x509, ipsec with l2tp, pptp, ssl ssl with tls. The list goes on.
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15:10<_ronin>rss: pptp
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15:12<grove>arand: Gnome has become too feature cribbled and depending on gnome-keyring which doesn't allow essential security measures (e.g. debian bug #475502), so I'm using xfce
15:13<arand>grove: Well, then you don't have that feature then, I guess..
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15:13<Osiris_X>grove, essential security measures like what?
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15:15<rss>_ronin: I am familiar with ipsec implementations and not pptp. What I do know for pptp is that you need to allow tcp port 1723 and protocol 47 (GRE) through your firewall for that. I mostly use command line tools. Take a look at openvpn I think that might fit your bill.
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15:15<_ronin>rss: thank you for your help
15:15<grove>Osiris_X: I gave a reference to a debian bug detailing one example, I want to know when my ssh-key is used
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15:17<_ronin>rss: somethimes i get connect but when i wanna surf the Internet i can't / ping i've got "Network is Unreachable"
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15:17<Osiris_X>grove: ok, my issue at the moment is that seahorse-plugins is forcing an upgrade that breaks password retention in applications like evolution and make apps like epiphany more unstable
15:19<rss>_ronin: if you run a graphical desktop kvpnc may be what you are looking for it seems to have support for many tunnel types including pptp. You may need to install additional tools to get it to work. I suggest some rtfm on kvpnc. It needs to run as root though.
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15:22<_ronin>rss: i install them but i've got error(I think because i use Gnome)?
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15:25<rss>_ronin: gnome should not be the issue. Understand that sometimes you can get a network routing error because the tunnel endpoint at the other end insists on protecting itself. That could mean with a working tunnel you can reach vpn resources but internet access is deliberatly firewalled. Talk to your network admin.
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15:27<chealer>_ronin: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:31<rss>_ronin: I use E17 and not gnome or kde. this does not prevent me from running gnome or kde applications.
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15:33<rss>I'm going AFK for beer and takeaway CUL8R
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15:34<_ronin>rss: unlikely i use gnome and it makes some problem how can i install E17 without any new installation?
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15:58<major>hi, my computer cpu has gone to 100% Xorg usage. Can anybody help me figuring out what is going on with this strace trace?
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16:00<omni>retrospectacus, By chance can you still help me w/ my Screen Issues?
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16:02<omni>Can anyone help me out with a Screen Size Issue?
16:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:07<omni>I need help with a display issue. My screen is a few pixels to the right of the monitor while in Debian. When i move over to Ubuntu, it looks correct. Is there a way to modify where the screen display loads so it is moved over to the left?
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16:08<major>omni, your screen should have buttons to do that
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16:09<chealer>omni: which X video driver are you using?
16:10<omni>major, It does, however when it is about 5 button presses in, and a pain the ass to do every time.
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16:10<omni>chealer, I have an Nvidia Gefore 6150 video card. I'm guessing the basic drivers that come with Debian
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16:11<retrospectacus>hey omni, just got back from lunch. As always, just ask the channel
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16:11<major>omni, I see, It was just a silly suggestion from the top of my head... No idea how to do it other way :)
16:12<retrospectacus>omni: you can install the nvidia drivers - I found that they helped on my 42" TV - the default driver set it to a weird resolution, nvidia drivers worked perfect
16:12<rss>back from shopping
16:12<retrospectacus>rss: shopping for more beer?
16:13<rss>retrospectacus: yes and takeaway chinese
16:13<retrospectacus>lol great :)
16:14<omni>retrospectacus, Another stupid question, go directly from Nvidia's website? Or is there a quicker Terminal command that will install it all?
16:14<rss>retrospectacus: The beer is good and the food _was_ great!
16:14<retrospectacus>omni: NOT from nvidia's site
16:14<retrospectacus>!tell omni about why nvidia-installer sucks
16:14<chealer>omni: X is only using one video driver, the question is which one.
16:14<retrospectacus>!tell omni about nvidia squeeze
16:14<omni>retrospectacus, oh, i think i got the pastbin working.. i think does this work?
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16:15<retrospectacus>omni: nicely done. looks fine though. See what dpkg said to you
16:15<retrospectacus>!tell omni about nvidia
16:16<rss>_ronin: E17 is not for the faint of heart. You need to compile manually and install it.There are scripts floating around that can help. Having said that, enlightenment has been my gui of choice for over 10 years. I never got into the gnome or kde bandwagon.
16:16<SynrG>grove: i think display managers demand control over the keymap so that the user may choose from among the alternatives at login time or something :P
16:17<SynrG>grove: but i think that's a poor excuse for breaking /etc/default/keyboard
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16:17<omni>K, i'll look that up in a minute or two.. they just gave me a ton more "busy" work..
16:18<retrospectacus>those slavedrivers
16:18<SynrG>grove: anyway, as i said, solved for me in sid. maybe a backport would help you.
16:19<omni>you have no idea.. 7-5:30.. and then on-call 24/7 yay for family business..
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16:20<rss>omni: Is civil service an option? 9 to 5 no 24/7 ;)
16:20<retrospectacus>ooo family that's the worst :P
16:20<retrospectacus>they try to pay you in sandwiches?
16:21<rss>retrospectacus: your family does not pay you in beer?
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16:21<rss>retrospectacus: mine sure does!
16:23<retrospectacus>haha nah I don't work for them.
16:23<retrospectacus>I am fine with working for beer though :)
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16:23<rss>retrospectacus: You don't work for Beer?
16:23<retrospectacus>One day a man bought me a beer here in IRC
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16:23<retrospectacus>I do work for beer
16:24<rss>retrospectacus: Whew, you relieve me. I was thinking maybe I was the only one and confessing to a crime :)
16:24<retrospectacus>I don't work for my family :P They are not "computer people"
16:25<retrospectacus>ha - I have a beer fridge right behind me, here in my office at work
16:25<rss>retrospectacus: friends of family are the worst!
16:25<rss>retrospectacus: no beer and no sandwiches
16:26<omni>I get lunch free.. + Ins Free.. so i'll get woken up at 1:50am when they cannot batch out at the bar.. they only get 1 wake up / per week. the next one gets responded to at 6:00 the next morning.
16:26<rss>retrospectacus: and your family helps with the nagging!
16:26<retrospectacus>ah yeah... they do try... I just say "oh open a terminal and type dpkg-reconfigure ..." and they go "...huh??" and I say "...oh, you must be running Windows... can't help ya there"
16:26<retrospectacus>works pretty good
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16:27<rss>retrospectacus: LOL!
16:27<sophi>Hi, i'm looking for a advice, i wrote GTK program for my university subject that process images (Fourier etc), and I'm looking now for a C/C++ library that alows me to generate sound, read and write to wav, and it is easly portable to windows
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16:28<sophi>Do You know maybe any?
16:29<sophi>and of cource play the generated sound
16:29<sophi>by generating I think that I generate the samples, and save it to wav by this lib
16:29<rss>sophi: ladspa might be what you want. its a sound filter processing suite. mostly used in combination with jackd
16:30<retrospectacus>spion: maybe libsndfile1
16:30<rss>retrospectacus: spion?
16:31<retrospectacus>sophi: that was for you
16:31<retrospectacus>sorry spion
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16:31<sophi>Thanks :)
16:31<sophi>I will check theirs api
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16:32<TobiX>sophi: libsndfile and OpenAL are probably good candidates...
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16:32<sophi>I neet to show my program on Windows, so I compile it from mingw
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16:33<sophi>are libsndfile able to play sound?
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16:35<retrospectacus>sophi: under "related projects" I see wavplay which can play the sounds
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16:36<TobiX>sophi: I don't think so. But it is perfect for reading and processing sond files. And there seems to be a precompiled Windows version, so it would be easy to use with mingw, I suppose...
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16:36<retrospectacus>wavplay appears to be defunct, and linux only
16:36<sophi>Right, but the format of wav, isn't so complicated I think to make it from my own program, the playing part is more important
16:36<TobiX>sophi: Doesn't GTK already include some rudementary sound playing API?
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16:38<sophi>Not sure, ldd command doesn't show any included lib that suggest me by the name that it does
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16:40<TobiX>Ah, I was thinking of libcanberra, but that won't help you playing arbritary sounds...
16:40<retrospectacus>sophi: this looks current (libsfml-audio1.6)
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16:41<TobiX>retrospectacus: Uhm. That's C++. I assume the GTK program is C?
16:41<TobiX>Oh. Wait. Never mind.
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16:42<retrospectacus>either one, he (she?) said
16:42<sophi>my GTK program is writen in C/C++, mostly in C++
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16:43<sophi>SFML I see is graphic lib, like instead GTK
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16:43<retrospectacus>I see it uses libsndfile too
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16:44<retrospectacus>not sure if you can just use the audio libs
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16:45<TobiX>sophi: It seems to be very modular. Well, and then there is the very simple libao:
16:45<sophi>the case is that libsndfile i saw in many projects
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16:46<karl>hi all ! does anyone have a idea how to get virtualbox-ose-dkms running with the backported 2.6.38 kernel?
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16:48<sophi>Ok, thanks for list, I will now check each one of theirs api, and see if they fits my needs, Thanks everybody :)
16:49<Arrowmaster>karl: heard its not possible currently
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16:49<TobiX>karl: You could try yourself or wait for a backport:
16:50<rss>karl: as far as I know dkms is an installable target for squeeze. You should not need the virtualbox specific dkms package. after installing dkms. you will need kernel headers, but they should install as a dependancy. Though for backports that might not work.
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16:50<TobiX>rss: VirtualBox < 4.0.4 does not compile against 2.6.38
16:50<omni>Ok, work for tomorrow. Drive time. Thank you all for your help!
16:51<Arrowmaster>there is also a missing kbuild package in backports that will prevent you from even installing the current vbox-dkms
16:51<karl>i got around the autoconf.h error by setting a symbolic linc
16:51<rss>TobiX: I run a 2.6.38 sid so you may be right there sorry if my input confuses.
16:52<karl>however, i then get a nmi_watchdog error,
16:52<karl>patching as mentioned here:
16:52<karl>module builds, but crashes when loaded
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16:53<karl>so is there a simple way to get virtualbox-ose working on squeeze with a 2.6.38 kernel ?
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16:54<TobiX>As far as I can see: No.
16:54<rss>TobiX: running virtualbox-ose with networking support so I suppose it works on my sid box.
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16:54<rss>karl: what TobiX said.
16:55<TobiX>rss: Yes. Because 4.0.4 was patched for newer kernels :) - But stable has 3.2.4 :(
16:55<karl>hmm, could 4.04 get into backports ?
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16:55<TobiX>Ah, 3.2.10...
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16:56<TobiX>karl: Since it'S not even in testing yet, that will probably take a while...
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16:57<TobiX>Upstream is at 4.0.8 now, yay.
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16:58<karl>bugger, i need the vbox occasionally for work, and would really like to test the goodness of 2.6.38
16:59<TobiX>Well, there always is "deb squeeze contrib non-free" ...
16:59<karl>thats non-ose right ?
16:59<rss>karl: yes that is non ose
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17:00<TobiX>Yes. But only because Oracle can't be bothered to build proper Debian packages...
17:01<TobiX>Since 4.0 is completly GPL, I don't see a reason why they should call it "contrib" or "non-free"...
17:01<rss>karl: it also needs to compile the kernel modules so header an c compiler are necessary
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17:05<karl>ok, i need to restart as my vbox module cant be unloaded any more
17:05<rss>karl: rmmof -f does not work?
17:05<karl>Device or resource busy
17:06<karl>as i said, it crashed
17:06<karl>ok, will be back soon
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17:09<rss>karlL Hi, welcome back
17:09<karl>hey, just removed virtualbox-ose, now going to reinstall
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17:20<karl>heho ! That worked, have virtualbox running again
17:20<karl>although its Oracles Virtualbox now ... ;)
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17:21<karl>i hope ose gets updated and backported
17:21<karl>anyway, thanks for the help !
17:21<karl>gotta go,
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17:49<errr>when I am installing bacula-server is there a way to make it use mysql instead of the sqlite3 stuff? seems like the bacula-server meta package wants to put the sqlite3 on..
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17:51<daemonkeeper>Just install bacula-sd-mysql and bacula-director-mysql along
17:51<errr>ah, nm if I just do bacula-server bacula-director-mysql it replaces all the sqlite with mysql
17:52<errr>daemonkeeper: cool, thanks
17:53<daemonkeeper>Unless you give a preference, apt chooses the first package providing something in a virtual dependency
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18:11<karl>hey, back again !
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18:12<karl>i run the backported 2.6.38 kernel on squeeze and resume from suspend takes >60s
18:12<karl>any idea why that is so ?
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18:21<retrospectacus>how may I make "date" output the time in XY timezone (not my local, not UTC)
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18:26<hase>Can anyone help me I just bought a new nvidia video card and I've tried everything to get it working
18:26<hase>I'm stuck at 640x480 screen res, no splash screen
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18:27<hase>or should I be in #ubuntu?
18:27<daemonkeeper>(If you use #ubuntu)
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18:31<karl>anyone any idea why resume from suspend takes ages with 2.6.38 on squeeze ?
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18:32<jhutchins_lt>karl: Does .32 work better?
18:32<themill>retrospectacus: "TZ=timezonename date" where TZ is a name from /usr/share/zoneinfo
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18:33<aussa>is there a bluez irc?
18:33<aussa>or cwiid irc?
18:33<retrospectacus>ahhh great thanks themill I figured it was something like that
18:33<karl>yes, .32 resumes in a few seconds
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18:34<balleyne>on my new Debian 6 system, git doesn't use less for things like status by default, but it did on my old Debian 5 system (just migrated to a new server). Is there some setting I need to change?
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18:35<cthuluh>set PAGER, update-alternative, git config, etc
18:36<aussa>have any of you succeeded to connect a wiimote to linux using a bluetooth dongle?
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18:37<karl>its actually quite weird, it seems to suspend after resume somehow:
18:37<karl>see the timestamps, i woke the system at 23:58
18:37<balleyne>cthuluh: ah, git config core.pager? My system pager is set appropriately, but I guess git doesn't use it by default?
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18:40<retrospectacus>karl: sometimes on my laptop if I resume from standby while on battery power, it will immediately hibernate.
18:41<retrospectacus>it's annoying but I just live with it :P
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18:41<karl>does not seem related, it resumes fine, just takes a long time
18:41<cthuluh>balleyne: oh yeah, I see
18:41<karl>ho :)
18:42<balleyne>cthuluh: oh, you know what, it *is* using less for git log, but not git status... maybe there's another setting for that
18:42<engywucz>i have debian testing installed and the last days I've seen error messages fly by when booting (in the "Starting ..." phase, so when starting daemons and such)
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18:42<engywucz>where can I re-read these messages? dmesg says nothing
18:43<devil>engywucz: those are probably related to udevd
18:43<karl>less /var/log/syslog ?
18:43<devil>engywucz: they happen to early in the bootprocess (i guess)#
18:43<engywucz>syslog is empty for that
18:43<engywucz>as is dmesg
18:44<engywucz>the only result I see is that samba doesn't start correctly
18:44<devil>engywucz: these messages will be gone in a week or so (for testing)
18:44<engywucz>because of "no interfaces detected" in the samba logfile
18:44<diederik>engywusz: enabled boot logger? That still won't capture all, but most of it
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18:45<karl>hmm, capture it with a digicam in movie mode ?
18:45<engywucz>ah, k. so I just have to wait?
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18:45<devil>engywucz: that samba issue should not be related
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18:45<engywucz>I *think I see "cannot read /etc/network/interfaces earlier, but can't be sure
18:46<engywucz>how doI enable bootlogger?
18:46<diederik>in /etc/default/bootlogd
18:46<devil>engywucz: these warnings are related to a buggy implementation of /run. as soon as sysvinit 2.88dsf-13.6 moves in, /run will be implemented correctly and the warnings go away
18:47<kop>!serial console
18:47<dpkg>A serial console can be used to administrate a system or capture kernel crash/panic information. . You will also want your bootloader to use the serial console. See also <netconsole>.
18:47<engywucz>ah, k
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18:47<engywucz>enabled bootlogd now
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18:47<karl>anyone had a look at my log at ?
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18:48<engywucz>so I try that and if i see nothing in it I just wait. correct?
18:48<devil>engywucz: even if you see something ;)
18:49<engywucz>i try anyway :D
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18:53<aussa>what do this command do?: sudo modprobe uinput
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18:53<engywucz>as root (sudo) try to install module uinput
18:53<engywucz>whatever that is :D
18:53<engywucz>btw: the error message now in /var/log/boot is
18:54<aussa>should it create a file or something/
18:54<engywucz>Sat May 21 00:51:25 2011: Configuring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:23: option with empty value
18:54<engywucz>Sat May 21 00:51:25 2011: ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
18:54<engywucz>so nothing tooo serious
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18:55<diederik>engywucz: not being able to read /e/n/interfaces is usually not good
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18:55<retrospectacus>that's pretty bad... means you have a syntax error in that file and your network won't start
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18:56<diederik>pastebin your /e/n/i file
18:56<engywucz>the interesting thing, diederik is that it says in line 1 that an option is missing
18:57<diederik>therefor pastebin it ;)
18:57<engywucz>and in the other that it's unable to read the file the option is in
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18:57<diederik>does networking work?
18:57<engywucz>just a second
18:57<retrospectacus>by "unable to read" it means "failed to parse"
18:57<engywucz>yes, at least wireless
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18:57<devil>engywucz: those are not related to udevd errors i was on about
18:57<engywucz>unable to check wired
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18:58<devil>aussa: modprobe loads modules
19:00<engywucz>line 23 read just "gateway" till my change after last reboot
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19:00<retrospectacus>odd you have static there. did you set that up?
19:00<engywucz>for wireless "wicd" is installed
19:00<aussa>I'm following some steps in order to connect a wiimote to the pc through bluetooth, at first I have to run: sudo modprobe uinput and then I "should have a device in /dev/misc/uinput" which I don't or can't find
19:01<engywucz>can't remember, it's long ago I set that machine up :D
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19:01<devil>aussa: does modprobe uinput give any output?
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19:01<devil>thats good
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19:02<aussa>how do I check it worked?
19:02<engywucz>aussa: what does a "lsmod | grep uinput" show?
19:02<devil>aussa: with lsmod
19:02<diederik>gateway without a value would cause the mentioned error
19:02<aussa>uinput 6376 1
19:02<diederik>although I can't see anything wrong with line 1, it's the same here
19:03<diederik>I don't know what line 18 does/will do though
19:03<engywucz>ah well, I just set it to dhcp again
19:04<diederik>but I don't see 'default' anywhere else
19:04<engywucz>iface eth0 inet dhcp instead of the last four lines should be correct, right?
19:04<diederik>if you want a dynamic ip, then yes
19:04<aussa>devil: uinput 6376 1
19:04<devil>aussa: it worked
19:04<diederik>but for a server it makes perfect sense to assign a fixed ip address
19:04<engywucz>doesn't matter. I rarely use it anyway
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19:04<engywucz>it's a laptop :D
19:05<engywucz>ok, that doesn't make it impossible to be a server. I've seen stranger things
19:05<diederik>then I guess it's safe to change it as you suggested
19:05<engywucz>can I regenerate the default /e/n/i somehow?
19:06<aussa>devil: ty
19:06<engywucz>as it's after a fresh install?
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19:06<diederik>I don't know about regenerate, but you can change that file
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19:07<diederik>replace line 18-23 with the one you suggested and you should be fine
19:07<engywucz>ok, I test after next reboot
19:07<diederik>maybe want to removed lines 11-16 as well
19:08<diederik> /e/n/i is world-readable and it shows your wireless password ;)
19:08<engywucz>thats an ancient one :D
19:08<engywucz>a long time ago in a wireless driver far far gone now:D
19:09<diederik>thought so, nothing wrong with cleaning up ancient data (but doesn't hurt to keep it)
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19:13<engywucz>error is gone now. unfortunately dhcp causes some boot delay. well, it's not that often rebootet anyway :D
19:14<engywucz>thanks for all your help
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19:20<knoppix_>hola hay alguien
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19:37<aussa>how can I make bluetooth-applet to run at start-up
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19:39<engywucz>startup o computer? graphical environment? special program?
19:40<aussa>system, xfce4
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20:11<wissem>hi all
20:12<wissem>i'm on debian squeeze and i'm having a problem using my pendrive
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20:12<wissem>it is read-only even when I did mounted it (fat32)
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20:13<wissem>mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/fdisk -o uid=1000,gid=100,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
20:13<wissem>still the flash disk, is read-only... any idea of how to solve that N
20:15<kop>wissem: Are you in the plugdev group? You can put yourself in that group and mount it as your regular user with pmount.
20:15<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
20:15<kop>retrospectacus: Oh yah. vfat.
20:16<retrospectacus>looks like what wiseem said though
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20:22<connor>can someone help me with tightvnc, i am getting a grey screen on my client and i have tried a dozen or so different xstartup suggestions
20:22<wissem>retrospectacus: it didnt work :(
20:22<wissem>i've tried: mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/ff -o uid=1000,gid=100,utf8,umask=022
20:24<diederik>wissem: why utf8 flag? vfat doesn't support it
20:24<wissem>still read-only system
20:24<retrospectacus>sez -o defaults,user,...
20:24<connor>i dont know what else to try, i have no idea why i am getting a grey screen with tightvnc
20:24*retrospectacus outta here
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20:28<mark>is this just for help?
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20:35<connor>can anyone help me with tightvnc?
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20:38<zeus>hi all, can anyone tell me if i can install with (dpkg -i) linux-image 2.6.32_amd64.deb (the squeeze deb file) on lenny without firing my system ? do i also have to install linux-base ?
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20:46<nyov>zeus: how about using the lenny-backports kernel?
20:47<zeus>i'm using it ... but for what in my knowledge it has no security fixes. The Linux kernel from squeeze instead is also mantained by the debian security team.
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20:57<Guest1680>hi, my installation is handing when setting up partitions at 50%. I'm trying to save the error logs by pressing alt-f4, I can see them but how do I save everything to file a bug report
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21:09<mark>anybody know how to fix audio being out of sync in flash?
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21:12<ontherun>how do I find the 'installation syslog' ? my installation is freezing and need support
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21:17<Ryan_>can someone help me install debian?
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21:17<Ryan_>I dont know which image or iso to download
21:18<Ryan_>there are tons of them on the website
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21:20<SynrG>what page are you on?
21:20<Ryan_>I am on the homepage
21:21<SynrG>so, what click path gets you to tons of isos and skips the obvious choice?
21:22<connor>does anyone have experience with vnc?
21:22<Ryan_>1 sec
21:22<SynrG>connor: some, yes. just ask your actual question
21:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:23<Ryan_>this is the url with all the different isos
21:23<SynrG>Ryan_: sure. i'm just asking what you clicked on to get there.
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21:25<Ryan_>homepage/getting debian/instilation manual/appendix a/debian cd page
21:25<kenyon>SynrG: home -> CD ISO Images -> Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP -> Official CD/DVD images of the "stable" release -> i386
21:25<SynrG>kenyon: i know many *possible* ways to get there. i wanted to know Ryan_'s specific route. and the answer surprised me
21:25<Ryan_>so which one do i download
21:26<craigevil>Ryan_, if you have internet during install use the netinstall, if not grab cd or dvd 1
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21:26<Ryan_>ok thanks, ill try it out
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21:26<SynrG>just curious because i'm on the web team and have worked with these pages a bit
21:26<Ryan_>so would i just put this on my usb drive with the install img
21:27<Ryan_>cause i can run the installer
21:27<Ryan_>it just says it cant find the iso
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21:27<Ryan_>or would i burn the iso to a disk on its own
21:27<SynrG>maybe you can tell me what "the install img" is?
21:27<Ryan_>1 sec
21:28<Ryan_>i found it here
21:28<SynrG>Ryan_: it seems you've found a rather circuitous route to doing a simple thing
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21:28<SynrG>boot.img.gz you mean, then?
21:28<SynrG>all debian installer iso images are now 'hybrid' images, as explained in the manual
21:29<SynrG>which means you can simply dd the image to your usb key
21:29<Ryan_>whats dd? (sorry for sounding like a noob)
21:29<nyov>but dd kills your whole device contents
21:29<Ryan_>i dont care
21:29<SynrG>right, but if he has used boot.img.gz ...
21:29<Ryan_>the usb key is empty
21:29<SynrG>he has already done that
21:29<SynrG>that was the old way
21:29<Ryan_>oh ok
21:30<SynrG>the new way is to just dd (or cat) the image to the whole device
21:30<nyov>then use dd, alright
21:30<Ryan_>what is cat or dd?
21:30<Ryan_>first time ive heard that
21:30<nyov>SynrG: new way? can't remember doing it any other way for usb
21:30<SynrG>nyov: iso
21:31<SynrG>zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb
21:31<SynrG>then you had to mount the device and copy an iso to it
21:31<SynrG>that's one extra step you no longer need to do
21:31<nyov>got it :)
21:31<Ryan_>so now i would just extract it onto the usb?
21:32<nyov>Ryan_: you should already have a linux system to use dd on the commandline
21:32<Ryan_>im using windows right now
21:32<Ryan_>i dont have a linux machine
21:32<Ryan_>thats why im installing debian
21:32<nyov>hmm, need some windows incarnation of dd i guess
21:33<Ryan_>im googleing it
21:33<babilen>!usb install
21:33<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
21:33<babilen>Ryan_: Use that image writer ^^^^
21:33<SynrG>nyov: dd for windows is pretty horrible
21:34<nyov>so rawwrite isn't the way to go anymore?
21:34<SynrG>used to be, for floppies. but no
21:34<Ryan_>thank you for the links
21:34<SynrG>nyov: see the above factoid for windows
21:34<gsimmons>nyov: That only ever worked for floppy disk images.
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21:35<nyov>oh well. i'm outdated
21:35<Ryan_>ok im downloading the iso and imager now
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21:37<nyov>uhlalala fubar, my raid flunked out. now I wish I didn't upgrade mdadm after all
21:38<nyov>md1 : inactive sdb[0](S) sdi[3](S) sdd[2](S) sdc[1](S)
21:38<nyov>what am I supposed to do with 4 spare drives
21:40<SynrG>Ryan_: so your slightly windy route to the page brought you back to, and you got lost from there? generally is where people want to be, and that's "Getting Debian", the page you started on :)
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21:41<SynrG>i guess the issue is that once you get into the manual, it doesn't refer back to that page.
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21:44<Ryan_>Im mounting the iso
21:45<SynrG>btw, thanks for asking all my questions about what you clicked on. will try to find time to follow up on that and make it less easy to get lost.
21:45<SynrG>tired. best be getting to bed
21:46<Ryan_>Aparently the tool you sent me too (the imager) doesnt accept isos
21:46<SynrG>huh. how odd
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21:48<SynrG>this one?
21:49<Ryan_>It only detects img files
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21:49<SynrG>isn't there an "all files" option?
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21:49<sney>I wonder if it would work if you just renamed the iso to .img
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21:50<Ryan_>Ill try that
21:50<sney>because it shouldn't be doing anything special to the file
21:50<SynrG>perverse, though
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21:50<SynrG>it just needs to make a byte-by-byte perfect copy of it to the image
21:50<SynrG>doesn't matter really what it's called
21:51<SynrG>i don't use windows often. will have to try it myself sometime when i'm not so tired and maybe file a wishlist bug re hybrid images.
21:51<Ryan_>Ok i renamed it and im trying the imager out
21:51<SynrG>along with this workaround, if it works :)
21:51<Ryan_>its writing
21:52<sney>I find I am always renaming shit in windows to bypass its file type anal retentiveness
21:52<SynrG>but this was the app authors' fault, really
21:52<SynrG>for not realizing about hybrid .iso files
21:52<Ryan_>I was so happy when I finally found the "show file extensions" option
21:53<Ryan_>so i could change common file extensions
21:53<SynrG>yes. that's maddening
21:54<Ryan_>and done, now to test it
21:55<SynrG>i can prop my eyelids open long enough just to see that it booted ok. then i really am off to bed :)
21:55<Ryan_>haha well im in the installer and i have to eat dinner
21:55<Ryan_>so thanks for your help and goodnight
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23:04<nyov>did the initramfs handling of cryptroot keyscripts change? squeeze initramfs-tools no longer include my keyscripts referenced in /etc/crypttab into the initrd ?
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23:08<nyov>previously those scripts were included in a keyscripts folder inside the initrd, but with newer generated initrd's the folder is just missing now
23:11<nyov>ah nvm, it's inside lib/cryptsetup/scripts/ now. so something else must be failing
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23:23<nyov>ah! it's not including /etc/udev rules anymore. so the special device name is missing at boot time. hm
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23:26<nyov>how does initramfs-tools decide which rules from /lib/udev/rules.d/ get included in the initrd?
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23:37<nimrod>is there any way to get xfce 4.8 to work in squeeze?
23:37<nimrod>or is it just in wheezy?
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