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00:07<MidnightGlow>öàê öàê
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00:16<nyov>how does initramfs-tools decide which rules from /lib/udev/rules.d/ or /etc/udev/rules.d/ get included in the initrd?
00:16<nyov>can't find a related config option there
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00:33<jihad>i am looking for a small linux distribution that will run as the operating system on a smart phone of mine. any ideas?
00:33<jihad>if i should ask this question elsewhere, please advise.
00:33<sney>##linux on freenode might be a safer bety
00:34<phillipsjk>Android is Linux, but not GNU/Linux.
00:34<jihad>let me add, that i want one that is free so that i can download it and install it myself.
00:35<nyov>jihad: what phone, cpu arch?
00:35<jihad>i want to be able to program it to pick up wifi signal so that i can voip from these connections.
00:35<jihad>i have an HTC mogul.
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00:37<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
00:38<jihad>i am wondering in fact whether debian has an application such as this?
00:38<sney>there's #emdebian for debian on embedded devices, but phones are usually really specialized
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00:38<nyov>well, no clue what chip runs in that phone, but if it's ARM, you could use the debian armel port. but much work probably
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00:39<sney>installing debian might not be so bad, but actually using the phone hardware would probably be really difficult
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00:40<jihad>CDMA2000 1X
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00:43<jihad>the cpu: Qualcomm MSM7500 CPU
00:44<jihad>i was hoping that a debian distro would handle the hardware easily...
00:44<jihad>it handles the hardware on desktops handily enough.
00:44<sney>what's in question is the telephony networking stuff, which is often proprietary, and few kernel developers would have access to it
00:44<sney>plus any software encryption required by the cell network
00:45<sney>I mean, go ahead and try it with debootstrap if you have a phone to burn / have the resources to flash it back to factory
00:45<jihad>i am not looking to run the cell phone itself with the cell provider...
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00:45<jihad>i want to make it run voip on wifi connections only.
00:46<jihad>and i want to use its hardware to whatever extent possible as well.
00:46<nosbig>Any idea when Chromium 11 will make its way from sid to testing?
00:46<sney>whoa, it's a windows mobile phone?
00:46<nyov>also related low-level stuff to bootstrap might be necessary first, rooting the thing etc.
00:46<nyov>sney: indeed
00:46<sney>yeah, don't hold your breath. here I was thinking it was android.
00:47<sney>!why is chromium not in testing
00:47<dpkg>chromium is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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00:47<sney>nosbig: so, as soon as the bugs are fixed.
00:47<jihad>so the hardware in a smart phone is designed really for the specific OS intended for it?
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00:48<jihad>unlikely to find a linux distro to pick up the ball there/
00:48<sney>nothing is impossible
00:48<sney>but embedded devices are just very restricted
00:48<nosbig>kk Well, some v8 codec dependency bugs... Thanks for the heads up!
00:48<jihad>some things are impossible.
00:48<jihad>other things are just not worth pursuing.
00:49<jihad>that is why i am asking for opinions.
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00:53<jihad>i appreciate your input.
00:53<jihad>talk to you later.
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00:58<nyov>still can't figure out how udev rules make it into the initramfs :( guess I'll have to build them manually for now
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00:58<hick>while installing debian squeeze using network installation method, I get the error as, "Loading debootstrap-udeb" failed for unknown reason".
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01:04<r4co0n> hick, is this error reproducible?
01:04<hick>r4co0n, Yes
01:04<r4co0n>it is occuring when installing the base system?
01:04<hick>r4co0n, it is occuring while retrieving udebs
01:05<nyov>pxe netboot?
01:05<r4co0n>I assume it's no network hickup, that would've been my first guess...
01:06<r4co0n>hick, can you provide us with more verbose log output?
01:06<r4co0n>hick, the netinstall iso is checked against md5sums?
01:07<hick>nyov, I started the installation from the mini iso image
01:08<hick>r4co0n, no
01:09<screenn>one from lvm disk's was disconnected, and another (not lvm) disc with information was connected to the system, after that I got "kernel panic", and back connected the lvm disk but "kernel panic" is still there, could I damage an lvm filesystem?
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01:10<r4co0n>hick, no to both?
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01:10<nyov>screenn: kernel panic is not recoverable, you'll have to reboot
01:11<hick>r4co0n, where can I find the md5 sum
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01:11<r4co0n>it is supposed to be in the directory containing the mini-iso
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01:11<r4co0n>should be named appropriately
01:11<r4co0n>or sth
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01:12<aerolite>i just installed squeeze on my laptop, what packages/configuration do I need to get standby/hibernate?
01:13<r4co0n>aerolite, did u install the laptop-task
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01:13<r4co0n>when installing, u can choose
01:13<aerolite>Yeah I had the laptop box ticked at install
01:13<gnumonk>Hi, How to setup cryptsetup , i have used cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda5 --verify-passphrase --verbose and its returning Command failed with code 22: Invalid argument
01:14<r4co0n>aerolite, then hibernate/suspend should be working, they always did at my place. sry
01:14<screenn>nyov yes, I know but what could happen with lvm file system after disconnect one drive and back it again?
01:14<r4co0n>aerolite, are you using a window manager?
01:14<aerolite>Currently suspend/hibernate aren't in the shutdown menu, and using the laptop's suspend keyboard shortcut gives me "failed to suspend"
01:14<aerolite>yes using gnome
01:15<aerolite>I also did an install on an EEE pc, which didn't have suspend after I installed, but then I installed this packge specific for EEE pcs and it started working
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01:15<r4co0n>aerolite, install gnome-power-manager
01:16<aerolite>it's installed
01:16<nyov>aerolite: do you have uswsusp and/or hibernate packages installed?
01:16<aerolite>Couldn't see anything about squeeze on that page
01:16<aerolite>I'll check now
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01:17<r4co0n>aerolite, pm-utils are installed too?
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01:17<gnumonk>any answers guys?
01:17<nyov>screenn: that probably depends what bus-type the drive is connected through
01:17<aerolite>none of uswsusp, hibernate, pm-utils are installed currently
01:18<aerolite>do i need all three?
01:18<nyov>screenn: as in, if it's hot-pluggable
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01:19<r4co0n>aerolite, pm-utils are supposed to be the middleman, after the bit I read on the link I just provided.
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01:19<nyov>aerolite: hibernate will recommend uswsusp, which provides s2disk and s2ram userspace tools
01:19<aerolite>ok, i'm just reading through that now
01:19<r4co0n>aerolite, The package pm-utils is a package of power management software. It stands between HAL and actually suspending the system.
01:22<r4co0n>nyov, try by installing hibernate first... it may pull in everything that is needed. And mind the steps you take, for you may want to reverse unnecessary ones...
01:22<kenyon>gnumonk: the --verify-passphrase --verbose options go before luksFormat
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01:24<gnumonk>kenyon: let me try this.
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01:25<gnumonk>kenyon: sudo cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sda5 same error?
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01:26*r4co0n sometimes thinks debian is made just for him. everything works after he installs it...
01:27<aerolite>uswsusp isn't even in the repo
01:27<aerolite>looks like the hal package pulls in pretty much everything you need though
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01:28<aerolite>hal pulls in hal-info, pm-utils, powermgmt-base
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01:29<r4co0n>i hope that will do the trick, think so...
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01:29<aerolite>surprised that hal wasn't included in the base install
01:30<r4co0n>gnumonk, why not follow a howto, it should still be valid:
01:31<gnumonk>r4co0n: ok
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01:32<kenyon>gnumonk: are you running the command as root, or do you have permission to write to /dev/sda5?
01:32<r4co0n>aerolite, hal is not installed on my correctly hibernating eeepc
01:32<kenyon>I would think it would be a different error in that case though
01:32<r4co0n>aerolite, but pm-utils are installed
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01:32<nyov>hal is deprecated afaik
01:32<r4co0n>thought so too
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01:32<aerolite>yeah i just checked my eee and it doesn't have hal
01:33<r4co0n>hands off hal
01:33<nyov>well, it still works ;)
01:33<aerolite>hal has already taken control
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01:34<gnumonk>kenyon: i have tried all options , let me go through the
01:34<aerolite>ok should i get rid of hal and just get pm-utils?
01:34<r4co0n>pm-utils and powermgmt-base
01:34<nyov>gnumonk: just forget about those options?
01:34<kenyon>gnumonk: it gives the same command you are using
01:34<r4co0n>but first, run tasksel and check if the laptop task was really installed, if not, do that.
01:35<nyov>gnumonk: --verify-passphrase is an option to luksFormat, i believe it should come after
01:35<aerolite>i have to say, documentation for suspend on debian seems to be lacking a bit (not complaining, just an observation)
01:35<r4co0n>aerolite, suspend is supposed to just work, i guess.
01:35<gnumonk>nyov: i have tried cryptsetup --verbose luksFormat /dev/sda5
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01:36<kenyon>nyov: that's not what the manpage says, and it worked for me with it before.
01:36<r4co0n>it sometimes doesnt...
01:36<aerolite>yeah, well i didn't even have pm-utils when i installed
01:36<aerolite>which seems a bit odd
01:36<aerolite>i did tick the laptop checkbox at install
01:36<nyov>kenyon: alright, always using keyfiles here
01:36<r4co0n>check 'tasksel'
01:37<gnumonk>nyov: and /dev/sda5 is the valid ext3 partition
01:37<r4co0n>aerolite, recheck, just to make me happy :P
01:38<aerolite>well i ran the installer twice, once on my laptop once on my eee, definitely ticked it both times
01:38<kenyon>gnumonk: you didn't answer my question about permissions
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01:38<aerolite>how do i get rid of everything that hal pulled in
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01:39<r4co0n>aerolite, check in the logs what it installed, id say
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01:39<gnumonk>kenyon: yes, i have tried with root and sudo both.
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01:40<r4co0n>aerolite, its /var/log/apt/history.log
01:41<nyov>gnumonk: did you try a simple cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda5 ?
01:41<gnumonk>nyov: yes. same error
01:43<nyov>gnumonk: what's the exact error output?
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01:44<nyov>gnumonk: is it asking for an uppercase YES, maybe?
01:47<aerolite>just doing an apt-get autoremove hal, the stuff that's left behind is just pm-utils and its requirements it seems
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01:48<aerolite>cool, suspend still works
01:49<aerolite>so pm-utils is the magic package it seems
01:57<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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02:00<nyov>this is crazy, even going through the mkinitramfs script I can't find where the udev rules get included from
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02:04<Optical>wireless connection is lost when upgrade to kernel 2.6.39
02:05<Optical>My router is Router Model TP-Link TL-WR741ND v1. My wireless card is WIFI link 5300
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02:06<Optical>Does any body meet same or similar problem? Any suggestion is welcome. I am using 2.6.38 now.
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02:06<cahoot>just as an observation: the pciid is of more interest than the name Optical
02:07<cahoot>lspci -nn | grep -i net
02:07<Optical>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236]
02:07<cahoot>and lspci -k?
02:07<cahoot>i e what module is loaded for it?
02:08<Optical>Yes, iwlagn
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02:08<cahoot>I'd try modprobe -r iwlagn; modprobe iwlagn; dmesg| tail 20
02:09<Optical>cahoot: I will try it and come back to you later
02:10<nyov>Optical: and save the output
02:10<nyov>maybe in a pastebin
02:11<ml|>nyov: in /etc/udev/rules.d/
02:13<nyov>ml|: it's in there, my rule file. but it doesn't get included in the initrd. same with some other files in there
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02:15<nyov>worked perfectly until my squeeze upgrade, from what I can see, some locations and things changed in the ramfs.
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02:17<nyov>unpacked old and new initrd's - the new ones missing my udev rules. I can't for the life of me figure out where mkinitramfs includes those udev files
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02:18<nyov>the udev files in the ramfs are a subset of the ones found in /lib/udev/rules.d/, actually none of /etc/udev/rules.d/ are in there
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02:35<artem>hello everibody from Russia
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02:37<Optical>It seems using 2.6.39 will cause death of My router ...
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02:38<Optical>this is the dmesg output
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02:53<quietone>I shut down my laptop with a cron job at 0803, but it reboots instead. I just tested by changing cron time and it shutdown and did not reboot. confused.
02:53<cahoot>Optical: according to google you're not alone with the problem, a hasty googling didn't give me a solution
02:54<gnumonk>nyov: nope its not asking for YES.
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02:55<gnumonk>kenyon: its had rw permission for user and root. i have tried with touch <filename>
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03:00<nyov>gnumonk: strange, can you run with --debug instead of verbose, see if any hints pop up?
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03:01<gnumonk>nyov: ok let me check....
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03:06<nr9nm9no9>i have big probs upgrading from lenny to squeeze--the 2.6.32-5 kernel wont load ndiswrapper correctly and kde wont start at all
03:07<nr9nm9no9>i can however boot into gnome with kernel 2.6.26
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03:09<cahoot>why are you so intent on using ndis?
03:09<gnumonk>nyov: ah got the error dm_crypt was not loaded .
03:10<nyov>gnumonk: :o
03:10<nr9nm9no9>cahoot: because it works and iwl3945 doesnt
03:10<gnumonk>nyov: thanks for your time.
03:10<cahoot>it doesn't? served me well for the last 3 years
03:10<nr9nm9no9>sowe going to get into some pissing contest rather than fix the problem here cahoot?
03:11<cahoot>no certainly not
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03:11<Optical>cahoot: thank you very much.
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03:11<nr9nm9no9>iwl3945 only works sporadically on this machine
03:12<freezer>iwl3945 worked great for me
03:12<nr9nm9no9>ndiwrapper worked all the way from etch tru lenny
03:12<freezer>@ debian stable
03:12<cahoot>don't start pissing now freex
03:12<cahoot>don't start pissing now freezer
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03:12<cahoot>sorry freex wrong nick
03:12<freezer>what do you mean
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03:13<cahoot>freezer: nr9nm9no9 wasn't interested in testimonials on how well iwl3945 works for others
03:13<freezer>who cares
03:13<freezer>i win
03:15<nr9nm9no9>updating from sarge to etch and etch to lenny sure worked better than this last one to squeeze
03:15<nr9nm9no9>i suposethats because kde is so different
03:15<gsimmons>nr9nm9no9: You need to provide more information about your current issues. Have you completed the lenny->squeeze upgrade as described in the squeeze release notes?
03:15<freezer>what's a good audio player?
03:15<nyov>freezer: mpd :p
03:16<nyov>mpd front-ends
03:16<nyov>ncmpcpp :p
03:16<nr9nm9no9>what i did was change all the instances of "lenny" to "stable" in sources.lst
03:16<freezer>i don't need mpd
03:16<nr9nm9no9>then did aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade
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03:19<nr9nm9no9>i dont really have to have kde but i'd like to fix the ndiswrapper problem in the latest kernel
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03:20<freezer>i'm looking for something like foobar2000 for linux
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03:23<nyov>freezer: rhythmbox looks alike
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03:24<nr9nm9no9>waste of time as always coming here
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03:25<nyov>freezer: banshee, too. though I wouldn't call them 'lightweight'
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03:28<Optical>I prefer mpd
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03:31<nyov>Optical: he already vetoed that. probably too hot ;)
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03:32<Optical>nyov: Maybe. I even want to use it under windows system.
03:33<Optical>But I use web based radio more and more recently.
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03:33<Optical>More precisely, there is no "MUSIC" in my computer now.
03:33<freezer>nyov, both of those seem not able to handle more than one soundcard
03:34<freezer>i can't get them to play on my 2nd alsa device
03:34<nyov>i like how my desktop can completely crash and the music still plays. heck, my pc can crash and it just continues playing when it boots again
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03:35<nyov>freezer: maybe that's alsa related. do you use pulseaudio for muxing?
03:35<Optical>freezer: Have you tried to use two different programs?
03:36<freezer>no pulseaudio
03:36<freezer>i guess they just use the primary device? i can't find any dialog where you can choose
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03:37<Optical>For mpd, I am sure you can choose different sound devices
03:38<nyov>freezer: those things I named use gstreamer afaik
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03:40<ontherun>why am i too stupid to install things? Apparently synaptic is installed... but how do i access it?
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03:40<nyov>freezer: maybe you can select the device with gstreamer-properties
03:41<ontherun>yeah massive n00b here, first time on debian
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03:41<nyov>ontherun: depends on your desktop environment
03:41<ontherun>its just default i guess, fresh install
03:41<nyov>gnome? kde? xfce? ...
03:42<ontherun>gnome i think
03:42<ontherun>how do i check?
03:42<ontherun>i think gnome
03:42<nyov>then it should be under Applications > Debian > somewhere
03:42<nyov>or open a terminal and enter 'synaptic'
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03:43<ontherun>neither work
03:43<ontherun>their is no debian tab under applications
03:43<ontherun>and no luck in terminal
03:44<nyov>then run a root terminal, or 'su' in your terminal and run: aptitude install synaptic
03:45<ontherun>ok, i just added 'debian to the applications tab and found it'
03:46<freezer>nyov, where do i find those?
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03:47<nyov>freezer: find who?
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03:48<nyov>freezer: no idea what's it called in gnome, run it in a shell, gstreamer-properties
03:48<freezer>mplayer -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=1.0 works like a charm btw
03:48<nyov>fritz has finally mp3 streams? awesome :o
03:49<s4br3>Half a year ago I set up my 64 bit Debian Sid system on an 40GB Intel SSD and a 2TB Seagate for storage (ext4). However, after one month the 2TB performed badly and I had it replaced, one month later the 2nd 2TB also behaved badly (poor cp performance etc). Now I'm on yet another replacement... which starts to act poorly. Could there be some general issue in my setup which destroys the disks??
03:49<s4br3>As I am typing the this the 2nd drive is spinning hard for no apparent reason, and I hear occassional beeps, as I did w the other two drives.
03:49<s4br3>The fstab looks like
03:51<freezer>nyov, oh ya ;P
03:51<freezer>i set the gstreamer stuff, the test button worked
03:51<freezer>but banshee and rhythmbox still don't make a noise
03:53<ontherun>ok so how do i use Synaptic? the Debian website told me to use it to install the wireless firmware i downloaded
03:54<ontherun>i just cant see an obvious way and synaptic website has no documentation
03:54<nyov>s4br3: if there is an issue, I'd guess it's rather hardware-related.
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03:55<nyov>freezer: no clue, if you saved the settings, see if alsa-mixer or other volume controls help
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03:55<nevyn_>s4br3: what's the workload?
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03:56<freezer>alsamixer does work for mplayer
03:56<freezer>maybe i need to restart gnome?
03:57<nyov>freezer: if you don't have pa or phonon you probably can only one player run at the same time on the same card
03:57<nyov>uh, grammar
03:57<freezer>ya thats what i did
03:58<nyov>hm, no idea, really
03:58<dselect>rumour has it, ) is the smile part of a face.
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04:00<nyov>ontherun: what firmware did you download?
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04:01<ontherun>its for my wireless
04:01<ontherun>that's the file
04:02<ontherun>but the debian sitt says "f you are running Debian, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic to download and install packages, instead of doing so manually via this website."
04:02<nyov>ontherun: just select firmware-iwlwifi in synaptic. thats the same file
04:02<nevyn>ontherun: so you can download that put it on a usbdisk and install it with dpkg
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04:03<nevyn>you have to enable non-free to get that file.
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04:03<nyov>ontherun: in a terminal, as root, install it with: dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28_all.deb
04:04<yulina>Debian 64 bit, anyone know how i can install my ATI Radeon HD 6750 video card?
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04:05<ontherun>nyov: it says dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
04:05<nevyn>yulina: open computer insert card close computer ?
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04:06<yulina>Debian 64 bit, anyone know how i can install the driver for ATI Radeon HD 6750 video card?
04:06<ontherun>nevyn: why do i have to put it on a usb first?
04:06<yulina>nevyn: sorry didnt type that correct
04:06<nyov>ontherun: quit synaptic first
04:06<devil>yulina: apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver radeon firmware-linux-nonfree
04:07<adminuser>anybody know anything about dell wireless 1397 mini card (broadcom) driver under the bt4
04:07<devil>yulina: apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-radeon firmware-linux-nonfree
04:07<nevyn>ontherun: you don't if it's on the debian system already
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04:07<freezer>backtrack != debian?
04:08<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
04:08<yulina>devil: apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-radeon firmware-linux-nonfree
04:08<yulina>devil: E: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-driver-radeon
04:08<yulina>E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree
04:08<devil>yulina: sorry.
04:08<s4br3>My computer "froze", had to reboot, and I don't know if I got any replies. Thanks for any help.
04:08<adminuser>excuse me
04:08<devil>yulina: xserver-xorg-video-radeon
04:09<freezer>you might have to add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list
04:09<ontherun>nyov: ok i think i did it. the last line says "Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28) ..."
04:09<devil>yulina: and firmware-linux-nonfreeneeds non-free enabled in sources.list
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04:09<ontherun>but still not detecting my wifi
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04:10<freezer>ontherun, rmmod driver and modprobe it again
04:11<yulina>devil: do i enable non DFSG, or DFSG compatible , or both?
04:11<ontherun>freezer: lol no idea dude, ive been working with linux for a week
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04:12<freezer>ontherun, as root type: rmmod iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945
04:12<devil>yulina: you add 'contrib non-free to your sources.lists first line (just append after main)
04:12<freezer>ontherun, or probably iwlagn instead of iwl3945
04:13<ontherun>ERROR: Module iwl3945 does not exist in /proc/modules
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04:13<yulina>devil: hmm im not sure if its installed correctly, should i just restart and see what happends?
04:14<ontherun>freezer: modprobe: command not found
04:14<freezer>ontherun, are u root?
04:14<ontherun>i thought i gave myself root.
04:14<devil>yulina: you are not sure what is installed correctly?
04:15<ontherun>hold on
04:15<freezer>type su, then the root pass
04:15<yulina>devil: the video driver
04:15<devil>yulina: did apt say anything to make you think that?
04:16<yulina>devil yes, one sec
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04:16<ontherun>freezer: still get v
04:16<ontherun>rmmod iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945
04:16<devil>yulina: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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04:16<ontherun>sorry ERROR: Module iwlagn does not exist in /proc/modules
04:17<yulina>devil: said something like Need to get 301 kB of archives. never seen a video driver that small
04:17<devil>yulina: all fine
04:17<devil>yulina: is firmware-linux-nonfree installed as well?
04:18<yulina>devil: out put was ii xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1 X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
04:18<devil>its good
04:18<freezer>ontherun, type lsmod|grep iwl
04:18<devil>yulina: dpkg -l | grep firmware-linux-nonfree
04:18<ontherun>freezer: done
04:19<freezer>whats the output
04:19<yulina>devil:ii firmware-linux-nonfree 0.28 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
04:19<devil>yulina: good
04:19<devil>reboot or restart X
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04:19<yulina>devil: ok awesome, let me restart and hopefully this works, ill get back and let you know
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04:20<ontherun>freezer: now what? i dont understand why i cant install this through synaptic like the debian site says to
04:20<freezer>ontherun, what is the output of the command
04:20<ontherun>iwlcore 77810 0
04:20<ontherun>mac80211 137340 1 iwlcore
04:20<ontherun>cfg80211 101496 2 iwlcore,mac80211
04:20<ontherun>led_class 2433 2 iwlcore,acer_wmi
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04:22<yulina>devil: ok it worked, however im not seeing anything to configure my graphics card, like a control center.
04:23<nyov>yulina: what do you need to configure?
04:23<yulina>nyov: im just looking to speed up the processing for it, going to be running wow on wine
04:24<yulina>nyov: usually with NVIDIA there is a control center and you can change the settings on your card
04:24<devil>yulina: you are using the free debian driver for your ati card now. its a low profile driver with not many 3D funtionality, depending on your card
04:25<devil>yulina: if you needthe proprietary driver, you need to use fglrx (which is a pain at times, well, quite often even)
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04:25<freezer>now he has to remove it again and install the ati driver
04:25<yulina>devil: oh, is there a differant driver i can use that will give me a better output? going to be gaming with this
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04:26<devil>yulina: there is, but it proprietatry, non-free
04:26<ontherun>damn it, why was i kicked?
04:26<yulina>yeah, im actually looking for propriestatry
04:26<ontherun>freezer: what did you come up with after i poster the output? i was ficked
04:27<freezer>ontherun, try only modprobe iwlagn
04:27<yulina>devil: ok how do i unintall this and install the prop driver?
04:27<peter1138>did you not read the kick message?
04:27<freezer>or iwl3945
04:27<jet>Are anybody know what's happened with alioth ?
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04:27<devil>yulina: i have not much of an idea of fglrx, never owned an ati card myself
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04:28<yulina>freezer: any idea?
04:28<ontherun>i read it but dont understand
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04:28<Zaba>fglrx hates fiddling, but apart from that it's not nearly as half-baked these days as it was, say, a year ago
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04:28<ontherun>freezer: i typed it - no response in terminal
04:28<jet>gsimmons tnx
04:29<freezer>ontherun, that looks like it loaded the driver then
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04:29<freezer>yulina, there are fglrx packages in debian, but haven't been using ati for ages, so no idea really
04:30<ontherun>wow thankyou its all working!! :)
04:30<freezer>great ;)
04:30<ontherun>freezer: what should i do to learn how to do this through synaptic
04:30<Zaba>you need to install fglrx-driver, fglrx-glx, fglrx-modules-dkms and fglrx-atieventsd, then make an xorg config that makes it use the driver
04:30<ontherun>because my sound isnt working yet :)
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04:32<yulina>devil: awesome, ok and how do i remove the one we just installed?
04:32<nyov>I thought radeon + non-free firmware already does a decent job?
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04:32<devil>nyov: depends on the card much
04:32<devil>nyov: for gaming mostly not so good yet
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04:33<Zaba>nyov, for evergreen or never cards it can be rather unstable, unless you use versions from git
04:34<Zaba>and versions from git can also be rather unstable, obviously
04:34<devil>yulina: apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-radeon
04:34<quietone>any reason "shutdown -hP +1" would cause a reboot?
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04:54<darius_>I folowed for makint raid1. at some time i had degred raid on sdb but i needed sda to boot into it. now i did something with grub and it drops right into grub command line. ls shows only hd0 and hd1 but i cant list content of them.. Now I booted live debian, how can i boot my system/ fix grub ?
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04:55<devil>darius_: debian !=ubuntu
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04:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:56<darius_>yes, but it worked last time.. exept grub.conf and installing grub into md device
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04:59<darius_>so how can i fix grub2 to boot into sda (normal disk) or sdb (raid1) from live debian? (squeeze)
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05:09<darius_>and before it failed to boot i did --reinstall for lnux-image..., then every grub2 entries pointed intu md1 device...
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05:09<darius_>but as i think initrd does not have raid modules loaded anymore.. am i right?
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05:10<Nissan>Iam not speak english sorry
05:10<Nissan>Im speak japanes anda portugues
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05:12<barbados>i can't play videos fluently. last week it worked. it's like a snapshot of video and sound every other second for just a split second. not sure if this occurred after the upgrade from testing to sid. nvidia mcp61 chip , nouveau driver. hints on known bugs or how to verify my hardware isn't broken are much appreciated
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05:22<ontherun>just installed debian and I have no sound. What's the first thing to check ->linux newbie
05:22<ontherun>im on an acer laptop
05:22<barbados>ontherun: see if the volume's up
05:23<mjt>alsamixer or similar
05:23<ontherun>lol yeah, youtube and rhythembox not working
05:23<lopippo|2>ontherun: yeah, sometimes, alsamixer sets the sound controls to mute by default. Check that first
05:24<lopippo|2>ontherun: if your computer is amd64, then youtube might not work because flash does not always work
05:24<ontherun>no, its not on mute, if alsmixer is the top right speaker thingg
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05:24<ontherun>it is amd64
05:25<ontherun>but rhythembox also not working
05:25<barbados>ontherun: do you use gnome or kde as your desktop?
05:25<ontherun>i think
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05:26<barbados>then i think it's gmix. open that by right clicking and see all the available channels. maybe also add line, pcm
05:27<barbados>gmix should be the loudspeaker icon in your task bar
05:27<darius_>i chroot'ed into sda1, made changes to grub2 config. then i do update-grub it complains about /dev not mounted. how should i fix that?
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05:28<ontherun>barbados: thankyou :) working
05:29<barbados>yw :)
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05:30<ontherun>why is flash so bad 64bit... should i have installed the 32bit version?
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05:32<barbados>ontherun: i didn't run into problems on youtube so far with 64bit flash
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05:34<ontherun>its just much slower than windows and often when i full screen it, the audio continues while the video is frozen
05:34<ontherun>maybe it's my solo core processor
05:37<is-001_fred>darius_: You should "bind" /dev and probably /proc too before chroot'ing.
05:37<thewanderer1>ontherun: hint: it's proprietary software written by Adobe, don't expect high quality
05:37<EmleyMoor>64 bit Flash seems to be well out of date
05:39<thewanderer1>it's always lagging behind, even though we've had 64-bit x86 CPUs for 8 years...
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05:40<thewanderer1>ontherun: if you want somewhat workable YouTube, I'd recommend MiniTube (is in the repo... sid I think, but works on Squeeze just fine). it converts the .flv to a friendly format and plays.
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05:41<darius_>is-001_fred: thanks, needed to bind /sys too
05:41<ontherun>thanks ill check it out :)
05:42<is-001_fred>darius_: I did not. /dev & /proc should be enough. Do you know how to do this ?
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05:44<darius_>is-001_fred: then it complained about sys and partition list, so i dit same to /sys. or it was initramfs....
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05:48<is-001_fred>darius_: If grub2 needs /sys, bind it too. Are you using a "mount --bind" command ?
05:49<darius_>i used -o bind
05:50<is-001_fred>darius_: Does it worked ?
05:50<darius_>i think i'm booting into my system ;)
05:52<is-001_fred>darius_: Fine then. So, have a nice debian day ! ;-)
05:53<darius_>is-001_fred: thanks
05:56<ontherun>okay so I've downloaded libre office. now I want to install it using synaptic
05:56<devil>ontherun: why would you download it. install with apt
05:56<ontherun>how do i do this, there is no documentation, it just says search
05:56<ontherun>it wont install
05:56<ontherun>nothing will
05:56<devil>well, show the output in pastebin
05:57<devil>if nothing installs thru apt, there is a problem
05:57<devil>whats the errors?
05:57<ontherun>ive downloaded a bunch of programs but i just have the folders in my downloads box
05:57<devil>ontherun: why not use apt instead of downloading?
05:58<ontherun>what do i write? sudo apt-get install lebre office?
05:58<devil>apt-get install foo
05:58<devil>no sudo needed
05:58<ontherun>wtf is foo?
05:58<devil>foo is anything
05:58<devil>apt-get install libreoffice should do
05:59<ontherun>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
06:00<ontherun>what's paste bin
06:00<devil>ontherun: are you root?
06:00<ontherun>i have the # thing
06:00<devil>synaptic still running?
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06:00<ontherun>i tried it without it and got
06:00<ontherun>E: Unable to locate package libreoffice
06:01<devil>ontherun: are you on squeeze?
06:01<devil>maybe it has not migrated there. let me check
06:02<ontherun>well i should be on squeeze i installed it today
06:02<devil>ontherun: squeeze still has open office
06:03<ontherun>yes, i wanted to instal something
06:03<devil>ontherun: apt-get install
06:04<ontherun>didn't work
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06:04<devil>thats not an error message
06:04<ontherun>i dont want open office, can i not even install libre office?
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06:05<ontherun>Unable to locate package
06:05<devil>ontherun: you can do whatever you want. but there is no difference between them anyways
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06:05<devil>ontherun: you dont listen
06:05<ontherun> is already the newest version.
06:06<devil>then you have openoffice installed.
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06:06<ontherun>i know, i wanted to install open office instead
06:06<ontherun>just to learn
06:06<devil>you have open odffice
06:06<ontherun>i menan libre
06:07<devil>its not in squeeze yet
06:07<ontherun>so i cant install it at all?
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06:07<devil>you can, if you have .debs. i dont recommend you doing it
06:07<devil>if you want to learn to do that, use simple packages
06:08<ontherun>okay, i tried google chrome with no luch
06:08<freezer>no lunch?
06:08<devil>debs from the net need to be installed with dpkg. dpkg does not resolve dependencies
06:08<devil>ontherun: apt-get install chromium-browser
06:08<ontherun>and tried to install a flash plugin
06:09<devil>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
06:09<devil>the latter needs contrib non-free enabled
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06:09<ontherun>how did you know what to write?
06:10<darius_>for chrome there is google repository, dont need to doenload deb package
06:10<devil>darius_: for chrome there is chromium-browser in the repos
06:10<ontherun>i wrote chrome, then geeglechrome
06:10<devil>ontherun: i know my way around debian a bit
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06:10<ontherun>okay what i mean is how am i suposed to find out
06:11<devil>ontherun: other than that, you could ask apt with: apt-cache search chrome
06:11<ontherun>flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
06:11<devil>or, more general: apt-cache search browser
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06:12<devil>ontherun: you do not listen *again*
06:12<ontherun>non-free enabled, how do i do this
06:12<devil>[12:08:54] <devil> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
06:12<devil>[12:09:05] <devil> the latter needs contrib non-free enabled
06:12<devil>you need to edit your sources.list
06:12<ontherun>sorry i didnt type fast enough
06:12<devil>edit the debian line by appending contrib non-free
06:13<ontherun>i dont know what that means
06:13<devil>save, run apt-get update to refresh lists and try again
06:13<barbados>ontherun: as root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
06:13<devil>ontherun: /etc/apt/sources.list
06:14<ontherun>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
06:14<ontherun>i have the # thing so i am root
06:14<ontherun>am too
06:14<darius_>he tried to execute it :D
06:14<devil>oh, right :)
06:14<devil>ontherun: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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06:15<ontherun>not many
06:15<devil>its just nano
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06:16<devil>now, the top line needs contrib non-free after main
06:17<Black_Prince>Gah, It's 12:17 and I just woke up
06:17<ontherun>hmmm i cant type after the purple 'main' bit
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06:17<ontherun>i can type above all the text
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06:19<barbados>ontherun: you'll have to navigate there with arrows up/down/left/right
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06:22<bremner>any recommendations for a light weight jabber server? any comments on prosody specifically?
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06:24<babilen>bremner: we've happily use ejabberd @uni and never had problems. Can't comment on prosody though.
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06:26<bremner>babilen: ok, thanks. I'm planning to run it on a fairly small memory VPS, so I'm not too sure about ejabberd's memory demands
06:26<CaBa>bremner: prosody is not v6 capable iirc
06:26<bremner>ah, that's not great.
06:26<CaBa>bremner: that why i sticked to ejabberd
06:26<darius_>ok, i miss something here.. update-grub, update-initramfs, instal grub to sda, sdb, md1 reboot, disconnectind sda and cant boot , grub says disk not found. connectind back sda and can boot into the raid1 (df shows md1 as root). what i did wrong?
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06:27<CaBa>bremner: according to the blog its planned for 0.9... at least that *could* be what the guy means
06:27<CaBa>bremner: you can find the prosody developer on freenode i think... he's in the jabber channel or ejabberd or somewhere
06:28<bremner>CaBa: I sure s/he likes prosody ;)
06:28<CaBa>bremner: yeah i just meant if you are interested in using it and wanna know how soon it'll support v6 you might wanna ask him :P
06:30<CaBa>anyway, if you wanna stick to packages in stable and wanna use v6 i guess prosody is not an option
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06:34<barbados>where do i put my current alsa settings so alsa won't start muted after each boot?
06:35<devil>alsactl store
06:36<devil>should save them
06:37<barbados>ok. where will it store the settings?
06:37<devil>good question
06:38<barbados>i found /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf but that does not look promising so far
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06:39<devil> /var/lib/alsa/asound.state store maybe
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06:39<devil>at least thats where its located in sid
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06:39<barbados>yeah, that was this arch tutorial. but /var/lib/alsa doesn't exist
06:40<devil>it does here
06:40<barbados>now, that is good to know :)
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06:41<devil>andthats not arch, but debian sid
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06:44<ooo->Hello, can somebody please help me with connecting to wifi network? Wicd says that it cant get the IP. The same AP works fine on windows
06:45<ooo->And my home AP works fine
06:45<devil>ooo-: firmware installed?
06:45<devil>correct one as well? whats the device?
06:46<ooo->I have an AP at home , it works fine, however it doesnt have dhcp
06:46<ooo->So i am p surw i have the right firmware
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06:47<ooo->I tried doing everything manulasy but iwconfig says thap AP: not associated
06:47<K0JIbKA1>ooo-: you need to assign IP manually in wicd
06:48<ooo->K0JIbKA1: hm, but how can I do this?
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06:48<K0JIbKA1>i mean it's settings
06:49<devil>ooo-: doing things manualy is hard once wicd or nm are installed. thats why i dont use them
06:49<ooo->devil: Well I made sure to stop it
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06:50<K0JIbKA1>don't remember interface exactly. but there are some settings for that in wicd itself
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06:50<K0JIbKA1>ooo-: what Desktop Environment do you use?
06:50<ooo->K0JIbKA1: You mean I should set static Ip?
06:50<ooo->I dont use any, I have xmonad
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06:51<K0JIbKA1>ooo-: as soon as DHCP not in use everything is done manually
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06:51<K0JIbKA1>from wicd interface only
06:52<jankidudel>HI, wireless problems, It was working perfect, but now I just can't see the icon, where was "Connect to" and a selection of available networks, any solution ? :) Thanks
06:52<ooo->No, you've mistaken me. I am at university atm. Its network has dhcp
06:52<K0JIbKA1>coordinate with your AP settings
06:52<ooo->My home network does not
06:52<ooo->And i can connect to wifi at home, but not here
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06:53<K0JIbKA1>jankidudel: what was managing connection beforehand?
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06:54<K0JIbKA1>ooo-: you've answered your question
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06:55<jankidudel>K0JIbKA1, I don't really know, I have WICD, but i'm not sure if it manages connection. This icon appeared automatically after I configured my wireless properly
06:56<jankidudel>but now it's gone
06:56<K0JIbKA1>by the way i have the same problem as jankidudel but with 'bluetooth' only
06:56<ooo->K0JIbKA1: Huh?
06:57<jankidudel>Haha, crap, it appeared now :) that's very strange :) , maybe it wireless cannot connect to my modes, then it's just turning off automatically ? :D
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07:27<freezer>nyov, seems to be a very interesting audio player
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07:42<ontherun>Hi, the motherboard on my old computer died and ive recovered the hdd and plugged it into my debian laptop, how do I access my home folder? I can open it but there is just a readme and a access you private data' files. they cant be opened
07:43<ontherun>the dialog box reads: 'The Link "Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop" is Broken. Move it to Trash?'
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07:51<andrec>does the java plugin works on firefox 4?
07:52<devil>andrec: both are
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07:54<andrec>this is very strange
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07:55<darius_>then grub2 says 'disk not found' does that mean only mbr is loaded and nothing else?
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07:55<andrec>i mean i got a default instalation of debian with firefox (iceweasel) but then i installed firefox 4 and now it doesnt even appear in about:plugins
07:56<andrec>java i meant
07:56<andrec>in iceweasel it does
07:56<meglaw>so does the debian iso installer support dualbooting (xp installed first) out of the box, or do i need to configure grub manualy?
07:56<andrec>devil, could u tell me a good link on installing the java plugin links are not working
07:57<andrec>i mean they work for firefox version less than 4
07:57<devil>meglaw: you probably need to run update-grub after initial boot
07:57<devil>andrec: do you want sun java or the free version?
07:58<andrec>meglaw, i think there is a command to write the config file, you just have to put -f /etc/grub/boot.cfg
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07:58<andrec>andrec, i want the sun java...why is the free version better, faster :) ?
07:58<andrec>i want one that works ok
07:58<andrec>(had some bad experiences with flash player plugin)
07:59<andrec>of adobe
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07:59<devil>andrec: there is no /etc/grub/boot.cfg
07:59<meglaw>andrec: i´ll test after install is done. :)
07:59<andrec>boot.lst or something
07:59<andrec>there is a boot cfg file though
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07:59<andrec>i dont klnow the name lol
07:59<devil>andrec: there is /boot/grub/grub.cfg
08:00<andrec>yes that's it
08:00<andrec>and what is the command?
08:00<andrec>i can't remember
08:00<devil>andrec: but if you'd have looked at it, it says: DO NOT EDIT MANUALY
08:00<andrec>no but there is a command
08:00<andrec>to put the config file
08:00<devil>andrec: os-prober?
08:00<andrec>wait a min 5 secs
08:00<andrec>grub-mkconfig -f /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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08:01<devil>andrec: the free version is much freer
08:01<andrec>ok then can you give me the link plz?
08:01<darius_>thats -o and update-grub is an alias for mkconfig
08:02<andrec>ok ok!
08:02<andrec>just trying to help
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08:04<devil>andrec: you probably want: apt-get install default-jre
08:05<andrec>i already have jdk installed
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08:05<andrec>nevermind its working
08:05<andrec>thks man :)
08:05<andrec>it was a new version of the plugin
08:06<andrec>not the other
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09:11<korallenriff>i have just installed lubuntu and have a freaky problem, if i put my laptop on LAN everything works fine. if i put the cable out it crashes. it alsoi works fine using turning off wlan in bios
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09:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:13<cahoot>korallenriff: as the poet said: you're in the wrong place my friend - try #ubuntu on freenode
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09:15<babilen>korallenriff: or (even better) install Debian and receive all the help you need in here or in #debian on
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09:18<korallenriff>are you sure the lubuntu has nothing from debian?
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09:18<korallenriff>i read it a couple of times on startup im sorry, im a noob
09:18<dba>not the additional bugs for sure ;)
09:18<devil>korallenriff: it does not matter. this is debian helpchannel. we do not know about ubuntu problems
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09:19<korallenriff>ok sorry
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09:21<chrisign>hello together, since this morning I have a problem with my Sid system: findfs: unable to resolve 'UUID=8....'
09:22<chrisign>does anybody know whats wrong?
09:22<devil>chrisign: please join #debian-next
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09:34<@weasel>dpkg: tell Amir_ about ask
09:34<@weasel>dpkg: tell Amir_ about privmsg
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09:36<Amir_>thanks weasel.
09:36<Amir_>that was helpful.
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09:37<Amir_>I have a problem with X.
09:38<Amir_>I'm running Debain 6.0.1 (squeeze)
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09:38<Amir_>when the system boots up, my monitor goes off.
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09:40<Amir_>then i use nomodeset in linux parameters, my monitor works but with a low resolution (800x600)
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09:41<mejo>i try to install debian squeeze on my new thinkpad
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09:41<Amir_>can anyone help me please?
09:41<mejo>problem: debian-installer doesn't support wireless wpa network, and the installer doesn't even ask me whether the wired network should be used.
09:42<mejo>how can i manually setup the wired network in the installer? ifconfig is not available
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09:42<cthuluh>start in expert mode, mejo
09:42<@weasel>mejo: the installer should have 'ip', however.
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09:43<mejo>weasel: how do i use 'ip' to setup a dhcp device?
09:44<mejo>cthuluh: already using the expert mode
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09:44<mejo>problem is, it's hard to search for 'ip' documentation
09:44<@weasel>mejo: for dhcp you clearly need a dhcp client
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09:44<@weasel>mejo: (ifconfig isn't one either)
09:44<mejo>yes, but the installer should have one, it supports dhcp
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09:45<@weasel>ip addr add <ip address> dev <interface>.
09:45<@weasel>'ip addr' is one way to get a list of interfaces. do you even have any?
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09:45<mejo>ah, now i don't have eth0
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09:46<mejo>maybe it's missing drivers
09:46<@weasel>what kind of thinkpad?
09:46<mejo>weasel: thanks for the hint about 'ip addr'
09:48<mejo>the new t420. according to lspci it has a 'intel corporation 8279lm gigabit' network controller
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09:51<gsimmons>mejo: ITYM 82579LM.
09:51<gsimmons>dpkg: 82579lm
09:51<dpkg>[82579] Support for Intel 82579 LAN on Motherboard devices (LOMs) is available in the mainline <e1000e> driver since Linux 2.6.36. Supported devices include the 82579LM (PCI ID 8086:1502, found in the Dell Latitude E6320 and Lenovo ThinkPad X220) and 82579V (PCI ID 8086:1503). For device support on established Debian systems, ask me about <e1000e oot>.
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09:52<mejo>dpkg: e1000e oot
09:52<dpkg>[e1000e oot] The <e1000e> driver can be built out-of-tree using sources from . Set $BUILD_KERNEL (e.g. export BUILD_KERNEL=2.6.26-2-686) to compile for other installed kernel header versions.
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09:52<mejo>ok, finally it seems like I need a newer kernel
09:52<babilen>mejo: Or install a .38 kernel from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel -- You can also download the linux-image + linux-base image manually and install them with dpkg -i
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09:54<mejo>babilen: i guess i have to boot the new kernel. does debian-installer support to boot with different kernel?
09:54<@weasel>you probably have to rebuild the installer
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09:54<@weasel>I'd just install from cd, then get the new kernel onto the box using USB
09:55<babilen>yup, i'd do the same
09:55<mejo>yes, with the drawback that i cannot use the installer facilities to install more than the base system
09:55<babilen>mejo: Use a CD1/DVD1 of your choice -- /msg dpkg various cd1 -- /msg dpkg cd1
09:56<@weasel>install from blu ray?
09:56<babilen>But you can just/almost as easily do that after the initial installation
09:57<mejo>don't have a blu ray stuff
09:57<darius_w>in grub.d/00_header there is prepare_grub_to_access_device function wihch returns only insmod ext2 then device /dev/md1 is given...
09:57<mejo>but maybe i'll just give the CUT Unofficial Debian Monthly Testing Snapshot Release a try
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09:57<mejo>intend to upgrade to testing anyway
09:58<mejo>new problem: alioth seems down (alioth team sprint this weekend???) and the images are hosted on alioth
09:59<darius_w>and strange thing is that there is same version of grub in other system that produces working config...
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10:04<cthuluh>wiqd: 43
10:04<mejo>all right, finally i'll give the daily debian-installer snapshot a try
10:07<Black_Prince>err guys quick question
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10:08<Black_Prince>I moved /lib to /mnt/lib by accident, and now I can't move it back. LD_LIBRARY_PATH won't work.
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10:25<Osiris_X>how do I stop pulseaudio trying to initialise my modem device (alsa) - and obviously failing?
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10:26<mejo>ok, finally the daily debian-installer snapshot detected my ethernet controller and configured the wired network with dhcp.
10:27<mejo>thanks for your help
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10:32<Marco333>Salve, sono alla prima installazione di Debian. Come procedo? Ho partizionato il mio HDD con win7 installato, ora vorrei scaricare il SO su penna USB. Ho letto che è possibile farlo ma non mi è chiaro quali files scaricare. Qualcuno può aiutarmi?
10:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:52<Black_Prince>Note to self: When copying files for chroot, make sure you are in chroot.
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11:18<ajje>Which channel is appropriate for posting deb-packaging questions?
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11:20<ansgar>ajje: #debian-mentors.
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11:21<ajje>Excellent, thanks!
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11:31<sney>I hope you aren't *really* using irc as root
11:31<root>i am beginer in bt can any one help
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11:31<sney>root: irc://
11:31<babilen>root: backtrack linux?
11:31<sney>root: right click and hit connect
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11:33<babilen>root: Or install Debian and get help in here.
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11:33<sney>the backtrack channel will probably not be friendly to you
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11:34<Prashanth>have little knowledge only
11:34<babilen>That is not a big problem if you are willing to learn and invest a little time.
11:35<Prashanth>sure i will
11:35<Prashanth>my inspiration mis manu zariach ,
11:35<sney>so, install Debian instead, and come back when you have any questions
11:35<adam_>is xubuntu debian?
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11:36<sney> <- the linux distribution family tree and timeline
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11:46<adam_>there are so many, how do I choose. Learning from near scratch.
11:47<thewanderer1>adam_: I had a spare PC for distro testing - used like 50 CD's to try out every distro I could find. it works :P
11:48<nyov>thewanderer1: around 50 distros? not very in-depth I'd guess?
11:48<kop>adam_: There's a couple of critaria that I think are important. How many packages does the distro distribute is one of them.
11:49<thewanderer1>kop: I bet you're going to add Debian has the most :P
11:49<kop>adam_: You don't want to install 3rd party stuff. Linux is different. Get all your software from your distro and let your distro support the integration. Otherwise your system will likely turn to muck after a while and you'll have to wipe and re-install like you do with proprietary OSs.
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11:49<adam_>intention to learn enough to know what to ask for
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11:50<kop>adam_: You also want to learn to use the package manager, of which there are two general sorts apt (debian) and rpm (redhat). There's also those that install from source and so require regular complilation (gentoo.)
11:51<thewanderer1>you could also try *BSD :P
11:51<kop>adam_: Look at the Linux family tree and ask yourself why you want to use a derivitive of some other distro when you could have the original. Sometimes there are good reasons to use a derivitive.
11:51<adam_>been trying to use non gui to better understand
11:51<kop>adam_: Perhaps we should take this to #debian-offtopic?
11:53<nyov>I think it's mostly about using the right tool for the job. Then it's about taste, and about politics (community, commercial support - that stuff)
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11:54<kop>nyov: Everything is politics, or alternately all politics has pratcial effects.
11:55<nyov>kop: not every user cares about them, though. so for me, it's in that order
11:56<nyov>ok, OT
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11:57<adam_>people need people
11:57<adam_>seems debian has been around and is the root tool
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11:58<kop>adam_: It is not for everyone, but strives to be. ;-)
11:58<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
11:58<kop>adam_: You might want to get some help from the bot. I'll send you the factoid you need.
11:58<kop>!tell adam_ about msg the bot
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12:00<adam_>I would like to know... reading up on 1st debian link
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12:04<andrec>im having trouble setting up a vpn to a ms vpn server
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12:05<andrec>i installed network manager, but it doesnt seem to let me add vpn connections
12:05<andrec>the ADD button is gray
12:05<andrec>anyone can help?
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12:08<dean>SOrry man I wish i could
12:08<dean>So how is everybody doing today?
12:09<cahoot>probably varies
12:10<andrec>dean im doing fine
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12:10<andrec>I NEED this to WORK
12:10<andrec>cahoot can u help?
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12:11<starach>How can I redirect whole app output both std and error ?
12:11<uragan>any information about dell wireless 1937 driver
12:11<adam_>what community group would you recommend for a newbie
12:11<uragan>under bt4
12:11<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
12:12<uragan>i heard already
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12:12<ichdasich>uragan: then why do you ask here? :-)
12:12<uragan>i am looking for other brains
12:12<cahoot>but didn't get the message?
12:12<starach>I started using strace and I would like to redirect whole application output both normal program and debug informations into a file
12:12<uragan>or just debian users is here
12:12<uragan>not shure
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12:13<uragan>what you say
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12:14<cahoot>starach: like <command> 2>&1 ?
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12:15<starach>cahoot, I already tried - strace <app> > output.txt 2>&1
12:16<starach>but it only output debug information
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12:21<starach>I mean "only debug info" that it does want to send <app> output to file like it does with debug informations
12:21<uragan>dpkg , ubuntu channal also have silence about my quastion
12:21<dpkg>channal also have silence about my quastion: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
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12:22<starach>that it does NOT want to*
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12:50<Guest1737>i'm having trouble with brasero, can someone help me?
12:51<Guest1737>brasero won't copy dvds
12:51<Guest1737>but it will copy cds
12:51<freezer>it's illegal to copy dvds
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12:51<Guest1737>oh, even my debian dvd?
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12:53<Guest1737>how come its illegal to copy the debian dvd?
12:53<Guest1737>it's free
12:53<freezer>how come it's not?
12:53<Guest1737>it's free
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12:54<babilen>Guest1737: Do you get any errors that might indicate what the problem is? (try starting brasero from the command line too)
12:54<babilen>freezer: You either might want to elaborate or just stop (better)
12:54<chealer>copying did not become legal just because GNU cp is under the GPL.
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12:55<K0JIbKA1>Guest1737: had same problem with Debian Lenny. Toshiba laptop refused to complete burning process. Repaired with Squeeze
12:55<Guest1737>i don't get errors, but the option to chose an image file is greyed out
12:55<Guest1737>the properties option
12:55<Guest1737>with cds it is not greyed out
12:56<Guest1737>i just installed debian yesterday
12:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
12:56<Guest1737>my dvd works fine
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12:57<Guest1737>i didn't know that rule about the enter key
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12:57<freezer>Guest1706, are you sure you have a dvd-burner?
12:57<Guest1737>i burned the dvd yesterday from fedora
12:58<Guest1737>i just switched from fedora to debian
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12:58<K0JIbKA1>Guest1737: if it's compulsory for you to burn everything nicely you may try out Nero for linux. Though it's not free :)
12:58<freezer>you could try k3b
12:58<freezer>see if it's working there
12:59<K0JIbKA1>Guest1737: at least it has some try out period
12:59<Guest1737>freezer, i may try that, but i would like to fix brasero if possible, i want to know why it doesnt work out of the box.
12:59<freezer>running it from console is a good hint
13:00<Guest1737>thanks for the suggestion koji, i want to see if i can fix brasero first.
13:00<jhutchins_lt>Nero is one of the reasons I abandoned Windows in 2004.
13:00<Guest1737>how do i use it from the console? i am a nood.
13:01<babilen>Guest1737: So, are you trying to burn an image or a DVD (that is the drive and might be encrypted) -- Do you have brasero-cdrkit installed?
13:01<Guest1737>i am trying to copy a dvd into an image file first
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13:02<babilen>Guest1737: Also which *exactly* are you trying to burn and do you get any output when you start brasero from the command line?
13:02<babilen>Guest1737: which dvd exactly?
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13:02<Guest1737>the debian dvd number 1
13:02<jhutchins_lt>dd if=/dev/<disk> of=file.iso
13:03<babilen>jhutchins_lt: sure, but brasero should be able to do it
13:03<babilen>Guest1737: What about cdrkit?
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13:03<Guest1737>does cdrkit come when i install debian or do i have to install it?
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13:04<K0JIbKA1>Guest1737: <dpkg -I brasero-cdrkit> in shell
13:04<babilen>Guest1737: Please read the description of the brasero package. You might need cdrdao to burn combined data/audio CDs and for byte-to-byte copy and brasero-cdrkit
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13:05<Guest1737>babieln, first i just want to make an image, i am not burning anything yet
13:05<babilen>Guest1737: note the "byte-to-byte copy"
13:06<Guest1737>but why is it working for cd but not dvd?
13:06<sml>Guest1737: because CDs rule!
13:07<babilen>I don't know, but I am trying to debug it with you. I try to figure out which packages you have installed
13:07<Guest1737>well, i don't want to have to swtitch linux again just because of this
13:07<sml>Guest1737: What's the problem
13:07<Guest1737>oh, thank you
13:07<Guest1737>sml, 't make an image of a dvd with brasero
13:07<Guest1737>i can't
13:07<babilen>Guest1737: there are plenty of other ways to create an image ... does the " dd if=/dev/<disk> of=file.iso" suggested by jhutchins_lt earlier work?
13:08<Guest1737>let me try
13:08<sml>Guest1737: as babilen say's dd is your friend
13:08<sml>dd will create a byte copy
13:09<Guest1737>what do i put for <disk>?
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13:09<jhutchins_lt>WHatever device your CD is in.
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13:10<Guest1737>it seems to be doing something...
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13:11<Guest1737>dd works it is creating an iso imahe
13:11<TheGuru>why hasn't Debian got the latest packages?
13:11<babilen>TheGuru: It does have the latest Debian packages. What are you after?
13:11<Guest1737>ok, so now that we have verified that dd can make an image, why doesn't brasero do that?
13:12<TheGuru>Gnome 3
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13:13<TheGuru>Where is Office 2010 for Gnome 3? I can't find it
13:14<sml>TheGuru: err......
13:14<Guest1737>also, brasero says 'please use a disk that is supported'
13:14<babilen>TheGuru: There is no Office for Linux AFAIK (but call Microsoft and ask them)
13:15<sml>babilen: Don't be silly you can run Office 2010 on Linux via WINE
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13:15<babilen>sml: Still not a native version.
13:15<TheGuru>What is WINE?
13:15<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
13:15<sml>TheGuru: Red or White?
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13:15<sml>babilen: not native but then does that matter? processing power is cheap these days
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13:16<daemonkeeper>Not that LibreOffice would be bad.
13:16<daemonkeeper>Or ... latex.
13:16<TheGuru>babilen: yeah you fool!
13:16<babilen>TheGuru: Is there anything we can actually help you with?
13:17<Guest1737>hey everyone, i closed the command box and now my dvd is stuck.
13:17<Guest1737>it was making a dd dvd copy.
13:17<TheGuru>babilen: Need help with my garden gate. It won't close. Worried I might get burgled :(
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13:18<sml>TheGuru: you are not a little Troll are you?
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13:18<babilen>Guest1737: "eject /dev/<disk>" does that work?
13:18<babilen>sml: stop feeding
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13:18<sml>babilen: eh?
13:18<babilen>sml: nevermind :)
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13:18<Guest1737>it worked babilen thank you
13:18<babilen>Guest1737: You are welcome :)
13:18<TheGuru>sml: you feeder!
13:19<Guest1737>now, going back to the original question, why does brasero not make a dvd copy for me?
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13:19<TheGuru>guest1737: because it's not psychic ?
13:19<Guest1737>no, seriously.
13:20<TheGuru>guest1737: OK OK i'll be serious. It's because you haven't RTFM'd!
13:20<babilen>Guest1737: Could be a bug, could be due to missing dependencies/recommends/suggests, could just not be implemented. Check the package description, install additional packages, run it from the command line and check for errors. Ask in a brasero specific channel (there might be #brasero on what is needed for that option to be available, .... bunch of things to try
13:21<babilen>TheGuru: Stop it please. Thank you.
13:21<Guest1737>no need to be rude, TheGuru, i have tested 4 different linuxes and they all burn dvds from the box.
13:21<babilen>Guest1737: Ignore it
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13:22<Guest1737>thanks babilen for trying to help, appreciated.
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13:22<babilen>Guest1737: I suggested a few packages, but I don't use brasero and am going by my gut feeling and the little information I can acquire in the meanwhile. :)
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13:23<Guest1737>i will try a different one now
13:23<Guest1737>i just wanted to find out why it didnt work from the box, because i quite like debian.
13:23<TheGuru>babilen, guest1737: suck my COCK
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13:23<babilen>!ops TheGuru
13:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: TheGuru
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13:24<Guest1737>i am installing k3b now
13:25<babilen>worth a try :) -- I am typically just using wodim or growisofs, but k3b is a powerful tool
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13:26<babilen>I would still suggest to play a bit with wodim and try different things. You can file a bug report if you can't get it to work in a reasonable amount of time as this is in itself an indication that something is wrong. If k3b is able to perform that task (you now achieved with dd) brasero should support it is well.
13:27<babilen>Guest1737: It would actually be quite appreciated if you could do that :)
13:27<Guest1737>i actually found a bug report from 2008 on google
13:27<Guest1737>with the same problem
13:27<Guest1737>but the circumstances were different
13:27<babilen>Ah, a Debian one? Can you link it? Different how?
13:27<Guest1737>hang on please
13:28<babilen>It always helps to share information like this :)
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13:28<babilen>sure, i'll be back in a few minutes
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13:29<theguru>back in the room cunties!
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13:29<Guest1737>this person said that the problem was using xfce apparently
13:29<sml>very mature
13:30<theguru>sml: err, fuck you very much!
13:30<Guest1737>but i am using gnome, not xfce. that's why it's different.
13:30<sml>sml: Erm, bye bye.. ;-)
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13:33<TheGuru>hey! who did that!
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13:35<TheGuru>Who made me quit?
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13:36<Guest1737>is babilen here?
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13:37<Guest1737>i would like to inform babiel that i installed brasero-crdkit and now it works fine.
13:37<babilen>Guest1737: sure
13:37<Guest1737>thanks everyone who helped
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13:37<Guest1737>all i needed was brasero-cdrkit.
13:38<babilen>Guest1737: yay! My gut feeling (after reading the package description) was correct!
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13:38<TheGuru>!ops babilen
13:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: theguru complains about: babilen
13:38<Guest1737>yes! it's a pitty that doesn't come with a fresh install right? because some people might give up on debian just because of that.
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13:39<babilen>Guest1737: Others might complain that "Debian's standard installation is bloated" ... It is a fine line to walk.
13:39<babilen>weasel, Ganneff: ta! (thanks for your time)
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13:41<Guest1737>babilen, i understand it is difficult to draw the line, but i think most people just want their hardware to work from a fresh install.
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13:42<MrFrood>Guest1737: most people don't use debian so debian does not have to appeal to most peeople
13:42<babilen>Guest1737: I completely agree with you. You might want to file a wishlist bug against brasero and motivate a change in the package description to note that cdrkit is also needed for DVDs ... Not sure what the best way to handle this is, but you might want to bring this issue to the attention of the maintainer.
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13:42<TheGuru>I am indestructible!!!
13:42<babilen>!ops TheGuru
13:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: TheGuru
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13:44<Guest1737>babilen, you are right, i should file a complaint for brasero. their package descriptions are misleading, it says crdkit is only needed for video dvds.
13:44<Guest1737>all they had to do was explain.
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13:45<babilen>Guest1737: exactly! Thank you for the work. You might be interested in reading and (but you might just need "reportbug brasero")
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13:47<Guest1737>babilen, i will have a look at the bug reporting pages.
13:47<Guest1737>i have never reported a bug before, so i will read.
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13:47<babilen>Guest1737: Wonderful. If you have questions just ask, we are here to help.
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13:48<Guest1737>thank you so much babilen, you were helpful.
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13:50<Guest1737>bye bye babilen and others, cheers.
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15:01<ArisVer>chealer, i am logged in from recovery console, as root and startx. If i leave it running normally, i get a freeze screen when my login name appears.
15:02<MrFrood>ArisVer: why are you having to use the ecovery console?
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15:03<chealer>ArisVer: ask the channel, I'm going away.
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15:04<ArisVer>MrFrood, i get a freeze screen when the login screen appears.
15:04<sney>ArisVer: what debian version?
15:04<ArisVer>But works okay under root. strange.
15:04<MrFrood>in normal mode or just recovery..?
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15:05<ArisVer>Normal mode just does not work.
15:06<MrFrood>ArisVer: lets see if we can get this right... normal=freeze and recovery=ok
15:06<sney>so when you start up, you select the recovery option in grub, then when it asks for the root password you log in there? or do you ctrl+d to continue
15:07<ArisVer>root password, then startx, i get the gnome desktop.
15:07<ArisVer>I removed my username, added it again, nothing happened.
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15:08<sney>when you are in the gnome desktop, your keyboard and mouse work, right?
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15:09<sney>is this a clean install?
15:10<MrFrood>ArisVer: when it freezes in normal mode can you ctrl+alt+f1-6 to get a VT or is it totally frozen?
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15:11<ArisVer>mouse had a problem since i installed (three days ago). scroll and right mouse button did not work. ps2 mouse. installed mdetect, libgpds0 and xserver-xorg-input-mouse (mouse-input?), also some totem packages, and i got the frozen screen.
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15:12<ArisVer>clean , used the businesscard iso, installed from internet.
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15:13<sney>if you remove the extra mouse packages, can you see if that makes gdm work again? after that we can try fixing your mouse
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15:14<ArisVer>i removed the lib and the x-server packs. i did not remove mdetect. i still had a frozen screen.
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15:15<ArisVer>mdetect was install two days ago, i don't think it made a problem.
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15:20<ArisVer>MrFrood, it's totally frozen, i have to cold start it again, poweroff and poweron again.
15:21<sney>ok, so I think this is some problem with gdm itself, (that's your login manager) but I want to be sure. can you do 'update-rc.d gdm3 remove' as root and then reboot? that should give you a text login instead
15:22<ArisVer>ok, 1 minute
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15:23<ArisVer>sney, will that be one command or two?
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15:24<mycae>Does anyone know when alioth and will be back up, or where I can find out?
15:24<sney>ArisVer: it's one.
15:24<sney>mycae: afaik it's just for the weekend.
15:25<ArisVer>Also , i did not update or upgrade, should i try that first?
15:25<mycae>whose weekend?
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15:25<sney>northern europe, usually
15:25<mycae>was this scheduled?
15:25<themill>mycae: git.d.o is apparently back already; see
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15:27<mycae>I'll have to update my pkgs another day...
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15:31<ArisVer>Nothing happened, screen frozen. It could be both the keyboard and mouse not working?
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15:42<microcluster>what do you think about mac osx ?
15:44<dpkg>Mac OS X is a BSD and NeXTSTEP based operating system from <Apple> Inc. A complete overhaul from previous versions of Mac OS (v1.0-9.2). ##apple on See also <hfsplus>.
15:44<MrFrood>!tell microcluster about offtopic
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15:45<microcluster>MrFrood, i'd like to know from professional uesrs linux the better os between linux and mac
15:46<simonlnu>it's still offtopic
15:46<mycae>microcluster: thats off-topic and is likely to generate vague opinionated blather.
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15:47<MrFrood>microcluster: try asking in #debian-offtopic
15:47<microcluster>mycae, so i can't ask for it ?
15:47<microcluster>MrFrood, ok
15:48<demooriaan_>apple lets peopöe stand "in the ran" more and more when having problems, suh ashaving caught scareware etc, or needing up to date security fixes not even on their sture _months_ after revealed, and availlable security fies...
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15:49<SynrG>microcluster: this is a debian support channel. your question does not qualify as debian support. #debian-offtopic is appropriate
15:49<demooriaan_>better/me better type when light is on
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16:50<Arkhos>hi Guys
16:51<Arkhos>I just found out that X2GO is now not available in Squeeze
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16:51<Arkhos>and what is the replacement? I need a remote desktop client for my VPS..
16:51<Arkhos>thanks alot
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17:06<themill>!ubuntu-es Jupero009
17:06<dpkg>Jupero009: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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17:08<Jupero009>chaos vs ten
17:08-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by ChanServ
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17:09<msa>i am wondering if it is possible to disable the grub welcome message?
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17:31<ben123>quelqu'un ?
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17:32<daemonkeeper>Is that Klingon?
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17:33<babilen>almost the same :)
17:33<cthuluh>!kick babilen
17:33*dpkg kicks babilen in the crotch.
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17:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
17:35<babilen>ben123: Or speak English here. Can we help you with anything?
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17:37<Arkhos>Babilen: any replacement for X2GO? cuz Debian does not support it as of April 2011. Thanks
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17:41<babilen>Arkhos: What is X2GO?
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17:42<Arkhos>Babilen: X2GO is like a remote desktop application like VNC
17:42<babilen>So, why don't you use VNC in lieu of it?
17:42<Arkhos>it allows remote access to a server. This is good for VPS that is running headless.
17:43<Arkhos>VNC is quite problematic in installation and breaks down easily
17:43<Arkhos>plus I still have to configure SSH to pair with VNC.
17:43<Arkhos>I am looking at Remmina...
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17:43<Arkhos>Have you use Remmina?
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18:11<cirzgamanti>hi, i have a new testing install, and when gdm3 pops up the mouse is not active, i need to replug it (usb).
18:11<babilen>cirzgamanti: Come to #debian-next
18:12<babilen>cirzgamanti: "/join #debian-next" ;)
18:12<cirzgamanti>babilen: yes, tired :P
18:13<babilen>no problem :)
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18:39<jhutchins_lt>Why do people think they need a GUI to administer a headless server?
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18:40<daemonkeeper>To click your Apache on and off?
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19:12<idahogray>i have tried to update 3 different VMs over the last 2 days, all running sid, all leave my system unusable. these are the packages that were updated: and here is the error I see: any suggestions would be much appreciated
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19:13<themill>idahogray: «Doctor, it hurts when I do that»; doctor: «so don't do that»
19:14<valessio>hi all, sorry I need help with a off-topic (PHP): $owa->setPageTitle('the_title()');
19:14<valessio>I'm using Wordpress.. and need get Title... to OWA..
19:14<themill>valessio: there's a ##php on
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19:15<valessio>themill I ask this is a small off-topic.. :P
19:15<diederik>idahogray: probably udev related issue, check its BTS page
19:16<themill>idahogray: you might like to install apt-listbugs at some stage
19:16<babilen>idahogray: Please join #debian-next and read the sid faq linked in the /topic
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19:32<cirzgamanti>can i disable the panel that pops up when hovering over an icon on the desktop (kde 4.4.5) ?
19:32<cirzgamanti>it looks to me that right-mouse does the job, and i find it distracting.
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19:36<bleepbloop>I want to download the tint2 package from the testing(wheezy) packages list, not from the stable packages (because testing has version 0.11 while stable has 0.9). Is there a way to tell aptitude to get it from the testing packages, rather than stable?
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19:38<cirzgamanti>ah oops, wanted to ask this in debian-kde...
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19:54<DennisTheTiger>bleepbloop: pinning comes to mind.
19:54<DennisTheTiger>bleepbloop: Or backports.
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20:11<babilen>!tell bleepbloop -about bdo
20:11<babilen>!tell bleepbloop -about ssb
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20:57<openm>I'm a new user here, having issues with stale NFS file handles after an install of Deluge which shut down my VPS. My FreeNX screen is white when I log on there, and pretty much everything I due through SSH is resulting in an error associated with dpkg.
20:58<openm>I do* through
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20:58<Guest1771>Does anyone know if it is possible to do a netinstall over wifi with WPA? I tried, and it would only ask for my WEP key.
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21:02<sney>Guest1771: netinst doesn't support wpa unfortunately.
21:04<Guest1771>Ah. Thank you.
21:05<openm>"dpkg: failed to link '/var/lib/dpkg/available' to '/var/lib/dpkg/available-old' for backup of available database: Stale NFS file handle" is the error I get when I try to run "dpkg --clear-avail" to fix my problem.
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21:08<streuner_>dpkg, available
21:08<dpkg>If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
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21:09<openm>dpkg, both of those commands result in "Stale NFS file handle" errors
21:09<dpkg>i don't know, openm
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21:09<streuner_>openm: so you are using NFS?
21:10<openm>Aye, it's a VPS
21:10<streuner_>dpkg, what are you?
21:10<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
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21:11<Black_Prince>!tell steuner_ about infobot
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21:20<kingsley>Can a command like "dig" report which IP address DNS requests are actually sent to, regardless of what's in /etc/resolve.conf or a local DNS server?
21:20<kingsley>If so, how?
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22:26<dominique_>good evening
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22:29<dominique_>sney: hey, how are you? :)
22:30<sney>not bad
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22:32<dominique_>great :)
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22:32<dominique_>sney: would you mind helping me rebuilding alsa tools again? I got my kde updated and my sound card is not working again
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22:33<sney>unless you also upgraded your kernel, it's not the alsa driver
22:33<sney>probably some kde specific thing, which I know nothing about - ask in #debian-kde
22:34<dominique_>sney: do you remember what's the rebuild command we did last time?
22:35<sney>m-a a-i alsa-source
22:35<dominique_>sney: I actually had a problem with the base system install and started from zero
22:35<sney>oh I see
22:36<dominique_>bash: m-a: command not found
22:37<dominique_>i'm running as root
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22:37<sney>you need to have module-assistant installed
22:37<sney>and run m-a prepare
22:38<dominique_>and then alsa-source, right?
22:38<dominique_>i knew you knew how to help me :)
22:39<sney>you should read so you have a clearer grasp of what you're doing
22:39<dominique_>for sure i'll do that
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22:40<dominique_>i'm really enjoying reading linux manuals
22:40<dominique_>i know it's silly but i learned how to config a network using only command line today :D
22:41<dominique_>since kde 4.6 is still experimental and the network manager doesn't work, i had to learn that
22:41<sney>mm indeed
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22:42<dominique_>spent about two hours in research but now here i am talking to you using my wifi connection :D
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22:43<dominique_>hope when i get into the 20's i'll be a server admin :D
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22:44<sney>it's not that glamourous
22:44<dominique_>sney: after alsa-source all i need to do is to reboot, right?
22:44<dominique_>sney: you are a server admin, right?
22:44<sney>I have been before
22:44<dominique_>what do you do for living?
22:44<sney>I don't work in computers now
22:45<sney>I sell pet supplies
22:45<dominique_>really? nice
22:45<dominique_>why did you stop working with computers?
22:45<sney>we should take this to #debian-offtopic
22:45<naxuta>Host/Kernel/OS "dienstag" running Linux 2.6.39-ck1-06.nasutix x86_64 [ LINUX ]
22:45<naxuta>CPU Info 4x Dual-Core AMD Opteron 2220 SE clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ]
22:45<naxuta>Videocard nVidia GF106 [GeForce 450 GTS] X.Org 1.10.1 [ 3840x1080@50.0hz ]
22:45<naxuta> nVidia GF106 [GeForce 450 GTS]
22:46<naxuta>Network cards nVidia MCP55
22:46<naxuta> nVidia MCP55
22:46<naxuta>Processes 149 | Uptime 26min | Memory 664.8/16085.3MB | HDD ST3808110AS,WDC WD6400AACS-0,SAMSUNG HD103SJ Size 1720GB (39%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce GTS 450/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 4.1.0 NVIDIA 275.09 | Client Konversation 1.3.1 | Infobash v3.36
22:46<sney>naxuta: why did you do that
22:46<dominique_>sney: ok, sorry.. it's just that i don't see people talking in those other channels ;)
22:46<naxuta>i am proud, its my new kernel :D
22:47<sney>naxuta: please don't spam #debian
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22:48<kingsley>Can a command like "dig" report which IP address DNS requests are actually sent to, regardless of what's in /etc/resolve.conf or a local DNS server?
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22:53<dominique_>sney: what's the off topic channel?
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22:58<vook>kingsley: strace may help
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23:18<bubshait>anyone know how to fix flash audio problems, it sounds like there is an echo in all audio files
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23:29<dominique_>does anyone know how to install all libs32 for amd64?
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23:46<kenyon>dominique_: aptitude install ia32-libs
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