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00:06<dominique_>kenyon: thanks
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00:13<nardev>i sit possible to make my machine think that my wireless keyboard usb stick is always connected?
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00:15<Osiris_X>should setuid be set on /bin/su ?
00:16<sney>it follows that it would be, for su -c
00:17<bleepbloop>I'm running the stable distro, but I want to install the tint2 ver 0.11 package, which isn't in stable, but is in the testing distro. How would I go about installing it (with aptitude)?
00:17<sney>backport it yourself. instructions to follow
00:17<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
00:18<bleepbloop>sweet, thanks sney
00:18<sney>doesn't always work, sometimes there are too many dependencies that also need to be backported
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00:23<Osiris_X>sney, I am getting an "authentication error" every time I try to use su, any suggested fixes? it should be noted that a password is set for root
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00:27<Osiris_X>and my root LV is not mounted with nosuid
00:28<sney>does sudo work?
00:29<Osiris_X>sney, yes
00:29<Osiris_X>sney, are you suggesting that this is normal behaviour for su on debian now?
00:30<sney>I'm not
00:30<sney>but since they both use pam, and sudo works, it's most likely not a pam problem
00:31<sney>what happens after the error? does it let you su anyway?
00:31<sney>also, are you sure you're giving the right password?
00:33<Osiris_X>definitely the right password
00:33<Osiris_X>and nothing happens, I stay as my current user
00:33<Osiris_X>sney, I am looking into /etc/pam.d/su now - but I am not seeing anything that might be the cause
00:34<sney>if you try it with a deliberately wrong password, is the behaviour identical? same amount of time to go "hmm" at the password? usually a wrong password hmms for slightly longer
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00:35<Osiris_X>with a wrong password it takes longer
00:35<sney>this is under stable, right?
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00:36<Osiris_X>hmmm - wheezy
00:36<Osiris_X>#debian-next ?
00:37<Osiris_X>sorry to have bothered you all
00:40<lethias>I'm attempting to get compiz-fusion to work in gnome, I install the firmware-linux-nonfree for the radeon acceleration drivers and I can't boot into gnoem without it locking up. Remove the package and its fine. I'm I needing to possible remove something prior to using that?
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00:42<sney>lethias: not usually. you do need to have libdrm-radeon1 installed, but that's usually pulled in automatically
00:43<sney>lethias: if you have the fglrx driver installed, it may very well be conflicting
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00:43<lethias>I haven't installed fglrx.
00:44<lethias>I've only got a base install at the moment.
00:45<sney>I've never tried compiz on my ati system and it's out of commission at the moment, unfortunately
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00:46<sney>what gpu is it?
00:46<lethias>I had it working once before, it was disconnected from the net for a while, decided to hook it up and update and suddenly it broke.
00:46<lethias>Radeon 9550
00:46<lethias>I decided to wipe it and fresh install, now can't even get the darn compiz to work.
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00:47<lethias>Keeps giving compiz(core) : error software renderer detected
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00:51<sney>my brain is done for the night. kaput. but maybe someone else will help with your radeon issue
00:52<lethias>haha I hear ya. Thanks for the help anyways :)
00:52<lethias>I'll have to keep tryin to hammer it out some how lol
00:55<lethias>hmm well off to reboot and try another attempt at the firmware.
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01:00<Nick1>hello, can anybody take the time to help me get wifi conectivity on my new install of squeeze? i have been using ubuntu until the latest upgrade ruined everything, but squeeze has installed with no network conectivity and nothing i am familiar with is on the install cd.....
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01:01<sney>Nick1: what wifi adapter? you probably just need the firmware
01:02<Nick1>well, i cant even tell you really, because i know it works in ubuntu and its not been an issue in the past year
01:02<sney>in a terminal, run lspci -nn |grep -i net
01:02<sney>should only give you 1 or 2 lines, paste the one that looks like it's wireless
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01:04<Nick1>i must type sorry, not connectivity to that machine without a 150metre cable that dont have
01:05<sney>all I *really* need is the pci id, which will look something like [168c:001c]
01:05<Nick1>01:06.0 Network contoller [0280]: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI [1814:0301]
01:06<sney>,pciid 1814:0301
01:06<judd>[1814:0301] is 'RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt61pci' in squeeze. See also
01:07<sney>Nick1: ok, follow the directions on that wiki page for Squeeze/6.0, install the firmware-ralink package it tells you about, and you should be good to go
01:08<Nick1>is that firmware likely to be on the iso disk1 of squeeze that i used for the install?
01:08<Nick1>or do i need start again?
01:09<sney>it's not on the standard cd1, no. there is a special installer with the firmware included. you can also download the firmware package from and copy it over with a usb drive or whatever
01:10<Nick1>ok, i can cope with that :)
01:10<Nick1>thank you for pointing me in the right direction
01:11<Nick1>next question, do you think there is any hope for ubuntu after the mess they made of 11.04 ?
01:11<Nick1>no need to answer that one :d
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01:12<sney>I'm sure they'll keep finding people to use their software, but tbqh I don't care what ubuntu does, I'm a debian user
01:12<sney>I did predict that their Unity switch would send a lot of annoyed ex users here, and so far i've been right
01:12<dominique>just made a script to auto-start my wireless connection :D
01:12<sney>!congratulate dominique
01:12<dpkg>Huzzah dominique, you did it!
01:13<Nick1>unity = great divide
01:13<dominique>clap clap *lol*
01:13<Nick1>well done dominique ! hope i am so lucky tonight
01:18<dominique>if i have a script saved in a folder, can i execute it with ./script?
01:18<dominique>do i have to enter the folder first?
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01:19<sney>./ means "the folder I'm in now"
01:20<sney>if you have a script in /home/dominique/foo, and you're in /home/dominique/, you can do foo/
01:20<dominique>so terminal always starts on /home/user
01:21<dominique>if i save it on /home/user/scripts, i can execute it with ./scripts/
01:21<dominique>am i right?
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01:21<sney>you don't need the ./ if you're doing a relative path
01:21<dominique>hmmm i see
01:22<dominique>but without it, the terminal won't complete the path with tab
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02:02<Nick1>how do i mount my usb memory stick?
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02:27<devil>Nick1: with pmount as user
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02:32<andantino>is debian easy to use? im pretty new to on ubuntu right now...was thinking about trying debian
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02:36<arand>andantino: Debian has more versatility, and a less shiny default setup, kind-of.
02:36<nevyn>ans more politics and philosophy.
02:36<andantino>its not as complex as arch though is it?
02:37<nevyn>andantino: it's way more sophisticated than arch
02:37<andantino>i mean in terms of use
02:37<arand>andantino: Not by far, (although Arch is "simple" ;)
02:37<andantino>like i tried putting arch on an old computer but i had a really hard time getting anything setup
02:38<andantino>i mean user friendly i debian user friendly
02:39<nevyn>andantino: user friendly is very poorly defined
02:39<nevyn>andantino: debian's somewhat picky about who it's friends are.
02:39<andantino>does it start up with more than a command line
02:40<arand>andantino: I is quite simple to install and slpa a gnome desktop on it and just run with that, for example..
02:40<nevyn>andantino: it can. or not.
02:40<nevyn>andantino: it depends on what you select to install..
02:41<andantino>hmmm im using ubuntu and i like it thus far, but i find it very buggy
02:41<andantino>you mean what i select to install at the initial installation?
02:42<arand>I do not think "buggyness" will differ much, since that's likely bugs in applications, rather than the distribution as such, I'd guess
02:42<andantino>im just wondering if i should jump in and give it a shot
02:44<arand>Debian often offers much more choice, control and stability, but Ubuntu is more of a "complete package". In my view.
02:46<andantino>at installation can you choose something other than alsa?
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02:46<nevyn>why would you want something other than alsa?
02:47<andantino>well im not sure if alsa is the problem but i have a lot of mic, headphone and speaker problems right now
02:47<arand>If you really wanted, yes, you likely woldn't want to, though..
02:47<andantino>the odd thing is that it changes without me messing with it
02:47<andantino>like sometimes my mic works
02:48<andantino>sometimes not.....sometimes my speakers will play with headphones plugged in
02:48<ontherun>hi, how do i install skype on debian? I wasn't a problem for me with ubuntu, what am i doing wrong?
02:50<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
02:51<ontherun>so it wont work in debian?
02:51<vook>ontherun: it will work, but it isn't supported in this channel
02:51<Osiris_X>ontherun: it works in debian, it is just not supported in this channel
02:52<vook>ontherun: see and be enlighted
02:52<Osiris_X>ontherun, and you can download debian packages for skype directly from - and they install and work fine
02:52<ontherun>okay, i just cant figure out how to install programs not supported by debian
02:53<ontherun>the install commands dont work
02:53<Osiris_X>ontherun : have you got the .deb file??????
02:53<ontherun>not yet, I have the libre office deb file and couldnt install that
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02:54<Osiris_X>libreoffice is in the debian repository - install from there
02:55<ontherun>the repository? it wasnt in the software center
02:55<Osiris_X>ontherun, for debs outside of the repository you could use 'dpkg -i' to install
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02:55<Osiris_X>wtf is the software centre?
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02:56<Osiris_X>ontherun, what repositories do yo have configured in your apt sources?
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02:56<ontherun>system>administrator>software center
02:57<ontherun>I don't know what that is
02:57<Osiris_X>never used the software centre before - let me have a look
02:57<ontherun>so the skype .deb is downloaded what do i type?
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02:59<Osiris_X>ontherun, 'sudo dpkg -i filename.deb'
02:59<Osiris_X>you will need to use sudo or su because you have to be root to install packages
03:00<ontherun>yeah im in su
03:00<ontherun>ill try
03:00<Osiris_X>the ignore the sudo bit
03:00<Osiris_X>ontherun, I usually find it easier to maintain a local reporitory with these downloaded debs in - so I can see them in aptitude
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03:01<ontherun>do i need to cd to that folder first?
03:01<Osiris_X>the folder that contains the downloaded .deb file?
03:01<ontherun>okay, ive never used aptitude
03:02<Osiris_X>you could just use the full pathname for the file
03:02<Osiris_X>or you can cd 1st
03:02<Osiris_X>it is up to you - standard shell behavious
03:02<ontherun># cd ~/Downloads
03:02<ontherun>thats not working
03:02<ontherun>No such file or directory
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03:03<Osiris_X>ontherun, ok and ...
03:03<Osiris_X>ontherun, you are logged in as root, yes?
03:04<Osiris_X>I don't think /root/Downloads exists
03:04<Osiris_X>using '~' takes you to home directory of the user you are logged in as!!!
03:04<ontherun>ok i did something
03:05<Osiris_X>therfore I would suggest cd /home/<user>/Downloads
03:05<ontherun>Unpacking skype (from skype-debian_2.2.0.25-1_amd64.deb) ...
03:05<ontherun>then it said Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...
03:05<Osiris_X>it is installing
03:05<ontherun>but i dont think its installed
03:05<Osiris_X>I hope you have an amd64 system
03:06<Osiris_X>what makes you think it is not installed?
03:06<ontherun>yeah, its the now, cheers
03:06<ontherun>when you were talking about aptitude
03:06<Osiris_X>wow you really have never installed from the command line before
03:06<kenyon>gdebi is the better way to install debs, not dpkg -i
03:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gdebi is a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi or aptitude install gdebi-kde. And/or aptitude install gdebi-core for the command-line utility.
03:07<Osiris_X>ontherun, see gdebi as kenyon suggested - I'm too old-school (or maybe just out-dated)
03:07<Osiris_X>ontherun, there is even a gui front-end for gdebi I believe
03:08<ontherun>okay sure, so i type aptitude first though
03:08<Osiris_X>you should be able to install gdebi from the software centre
03:08<ontherun>i was trying to use synaptic,
03:08<ontherun>with no luck
03:08<Osiris_X>what does "with no luck" mean?
03:09<kenyon>synaptic can do mostly the same things as aptitude
03:09<ontherun>i just cant find any deb packages to download
03:09<ontherun>i cant open them with the program
03:09<ontherun>gdebi is already installed
03:09<Osiris_X>what command are you using?
03:10<Osiris_X>it is hard to understand what you are doing
03:10<kenyon>you don't need to manually download packages
03:10<ontherun>i was using the gui
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03:10<ontherun>i know, but sometimes I like to because i dont know what to type to get them
03:10<Osiris_X>in any case back to the original issue - I see libreoffice in software centre
03:11<Osiris_X>ontherun, software centre has a search facility which seems to work well
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03:11<ontherun>its not there for me
03:11<Osiris_X>got edit -> software sources
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03:11<Arrowmaster>libreoffice is not in squeeze
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03:12<Osiris_X>aaahhhh : thanks Arrowmaster
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03:12<ontherun>okay so i cant have it?
03:12<ontherun>im in software sources
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03:13<Osiris_X>ontherun, so you will have to add the wheezy apt souces if you want it
03:13<ontherun>okay how do i do that
03:13<Arrowmaster>you shouldnt mix testing and stable
03:13<Osiris_X>but that could have implications and I'm not sure you are ready for that
03:13<ontherun>ive already downloaded the package though
03:13<ontherun>ill leave it be
03:14<Osiris_X>Arrrowmaster - what do you suggest?
03:14<ontherun>what about something like installing the flash plug-in in chrome?
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03:15<Osiris_X>ontherun, flash is built-into chrome
03:15<Osiris_X>you should not need to install a plugin
03:15<ontherun>its not running
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03:16<ontherun>and in iceweasel every time i run flash, my cpu hits 100%
03:16<ontherun>just from one video
03:16<Osiris_X>ontherun - yes flash is poorly written crap - it does that
03:16<Osiris_X>what cpu do you have?
03:17<ontherun>a bad one, a solo atom
03:17<Osiris_X>ontherun, then it won't matter what browser your run flash in
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03:17<Osiris_X>or even what OS you run it on
03:17<Osiris_X>it is still going to be like a lame dog
03:17<ontherun>its fine in windows 7
03:18<ontherun>no issues fast and smooth
03:18<Osiris_X>you run windows 7 on a solo atom?
03:18<ontherun>yes 4 gig ram
03:18<ontherun>im on a laptop
03:18<ontherun>it was fine i bought it this way
03:19<Osiris_X>well in any case - flash does not work well (efficiently) on platforms outside of windows
03:19<ontherun>1.4 ghz
03:19<Osiris_X>as far as I can understand it is fundamentally optimised for windows - and adobe have done a shit job at porting it Linux
03:19<ontherun>i wish i could get it running in chrome though
03:19<Osiris_X>ontherun, 1.4Ghz and you can run windows 7???
03:20<ontherun>smooth as butter
03:20<Osiris_X>wow MS really did make big improvements on Vista LOL
03:20<ontherun>i never had any issues with opening 20 flash tabs
03:20<ontherun>in chrome
03:21<ontherun>seriously at about 20 it would crash
03:21<Osiris_X>well I am using google-chrome-beta and flash is in-built
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03:21<ontherun>chromium ... sorry
03:21<ontherun>i have chromium
03:22<Osiris_X>where did you get it from?
03:22<ontherun>someone from here told me what to type :)
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03:23<alyosha>hi i need some help
03:23<alyosha>i put new lan card in pc with debian
03:23<Osiris_X>ok but they must have given you a url to download it from
03:23<alyosha>and it is not recognised
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03:23<alyosha>and i'm not sure what i have to do:/
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03:24<ontherun>nah just some command
03:24<ontherun>apt-get install chromium or whatever
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03:24<ontherun>the laptops mic is not picking up in skype...
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03:26<Osiris_X>ontherun - are you using pulseaudio?
03:26<ontherun>not sure
03:27<Osiris_X>ontherun, have you actuall gone into the settings of skype?
03:27<ontherun>there is no settings tab
03:27<ontherun>found it
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03:28<Osiris_X>ontherun, I suggest you figure out if you are using a soundserver liked Esound, ARTS, PulseAudio etc 1st or ALSA / OSS directly
03:29<ontherun>ok how do i do that?
03:29<ontherun>i cant resolve mic issues in the settings
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03:32<ontherun>my sound device is HDA intel (alsa mixer)
03:32<Osiris_X>ontherun, how do you know that?
03:32<ontherun>but thats not what you are saying is it?
03:33<ontherun>i looked under volume controll
03:33<Osiris_X>where it has a drop down list for device click on it
03:33<Osiris_X>and see what the other entries are
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03:34<ontherun>already done that, nothing else
03:34<Osiris_X>ok so it appears you don't have pulseaudio
03:34<Osiris_X>or it is not configured properly
03:34<nevyn>what package contains hda-verb and hda-analyzer
03:35<ontherun>im installing pluse now
03:37<ompaul>nevyn: hda is thinkpad or something else?
03:37<Osiris_X>version 6 of chromium is very old, stable should be version 11 - which one do you have ontherun
03:37<nevyn>ompaul: it's the tools for visualising HD_Audio soundcard connectivity
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03:38<ontherun>6.0.472.63 (59945) Built on Debian 6.0
03:38<Arrowmaster>why would you install pulse
03:39<ontherun>what is your solution to my audio issues then
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03:39<ontherun>i have some drop-down menu now
03:39<Arrowmaster>i dont know i wasnt paying attention but i doubt installing pulse will have any positive effect
03:40<ontherun>but changint them hasnt done anything
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03:40*nevyn likes pulse
03:41<Osiris_X>ontherun which dropdown
03:41<ompaul>Xerrao[Detached]: you really don't have to change your nick in here ;-)
03:41<ontherun>under volume controll
03:41<ompaul> /away not here - detached would do
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03:42<devil>moaning ompaul
03:42<ontherun>i now have 4 choices. intel, capture (pules) etc
03:43<ontherun>none of them fix the problem
03:43<ompaul>devil: a very good moaning to you sir, no rapturous applause then ;-)
03:43<nevyn>ontherun: if you couldn't make capture work without pulse then you won't be able to make it work with it.
03:43<ompaul>nevyn: I have run out of ideas in my searching ask again in half an hour I guess
03:43<devil>ontherun: its always good to have more than one non-working choices. the benefits of puldaudio ;)
03:44<ontherun>okay.. :)
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03:44<nevyn>don't get me wrong pulse is useful.
03:44<ontherun>im not even sure what it is
03:44<Arrowmaster>its something you dont need
03:45<nevyn>meh maybe.
03:45*ompaul states be bleeding obvious "audio is rubbish on linux, but it is a lot better than five years ago"
03:45*devil patpats alsa
03:45<nevyn>it's not going to help solve your current problem certainly.
03:45<ontherun>mines not :(
03:45<nevyn>my 3 soundcards all work in linux
03:46<ontherun>i have sound
03:46<ontherun>no mic though
03:46<nevyn>onboard HD_audio, logitech usb headset, M-audio 8x8 usb2
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03:47<Arrowmaster>ive had no major issues other than i wish alsa would just assume all intel HD audio cards lack a hardware mixer unless told otherwise
03:47<ontherun>what should i try?
03:47<ompaul>Arrowmaster: write that bug
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03:48<ompaul>ontherun: aptitude remove --purge pulseaudio; aptitude install alsamixer alsa
03:48<devil>ompaul: my guess is, someone did that by now.
03:49<Arrowmaster>i would have remove my asoundrc and check
03:49<ompaul>devil: the bug, nice to remind them ;-) the other thin ...
03:49<ontherun>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
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03:49<ompaul>ontherun: su -
03:50<ompaul>run alsamixer
03:51<ompaul>as an ordinary user
03:51<alyosha>hi how can i see usb content?!?
03:51<ompaul>so CTRL D to quit as root
03:51<alyosha>i cant find it
03:51<alyosha>it should be in /media ?
03:51<ompaul>alyosha: that question lacks a lot of context can you reastate it on one line
03:51<ontherun>im in it
03:52<ompaul>ontherun: you see your mic ... is it muted?
03:52<alyosha>i put usb key in pc and i don't know where is located
03:52<ompaul> MM = device muted
03:52<ompaul>ontherun: have fun it should just work for you now
03:52<devil>alyosha: is it mounted?
03:52<devil>alyosha: the command mount will tell you
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03:53<ontherun>grrr its still not working
03:53<alyosha>procbususb on /proc/bus/usb ?
03:53<alyosha>i think this is it
03:53<alyosha>i''m prety new
03:54<Arrowmaster>what desktop environment are you using? gnome, kde, xfce, lxde?
03:54<devil>alyosha: its not /proc for sure
03:54<ompaul>Arrowmaster: who are you asking
03:54<alyosha>amm i'm not using any grafick enviroment
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03:54<alyosha>i'm in "terminal"
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03:54<Arrowmaster>then you need to manually mount it
03:54<devil>alyosha: then install and use pmount
03:54<ontherun>ompaul, what next? still not picking up sound
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03:55<ompaul>ontherun: check your wiring is in the right place
03:55<ompaul>ontherun: no manual switches turning off volume
03:55<ontherun>its inbuilt mic
03:55<devil>alyosha: look at fdisk -l, it'll tell you the deviice name. then just, as user: pmount dev/sd<what_fdisk -l_ says>
03:55<alyosha>devil i can't install anything cuz lan card is not working...and i put firmware on usb and i would like to install
03:55<ontherun>its a inbuilt laptop mic
03:55<alyosha>i'll try mount manuali
03:56<devil>alyosha: mount -a
03:56<devil>but you need to know the device name
03:56<devil>so first fdisk -l
03:57<devil>or mount -a and lookk at ls -l /media
03:57<ompaul>ontherun: the steps given should work - what software are you testing the mic with
03:57<alyosha>/dev/sda is this it?
03:57<ontherun>skype and sound recorder
03:58<devil>alyosha: not if syou have an installed system
03:58<ontherun>I could already adust my mic settings via 'volume control'
03:58<devil>alyosha: how many disk do you have?
03:58<devil>alyosha: just look at fdisk -l!
03:58<alyosha>i did
03:58*devil should put that on tape
03:58<alyosha>and there i have hdd
03:59<devil>alyosha: the last entry is your stick (compare size)
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03:59<alyosha>and something 8gb witch is usb
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03:59<ontherun>ompaul: what's S/PDIF
03:59<ompaul>ontherun: turn off skype atm restart the other sound recorder; skype has known issues it being as buggy as hell - apt-get install audacity if this fails and see
03:59<ontherun>ompaul: because that's off
04:00<ompaul>alyosha: this is not a terminal ;-)
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04:00<devil>alyosha: if you have only 1 disk, your usb device is sdb1
04:00<nevyn>skype is not a good app to test with
04:01<devil>alyosha: so your line would be: mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk
04:01<alyosha>i just tried and it says that i must specify the filesiystem type?
04:01<devil>alyosha: what is it?
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04:01<devil>ouch, thats odd for an usb-stick ;)
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04:02<dpkg>methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
04:02<ontherun>ompaul: im in audacity, not recording
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04:02<alyosha>or is it fat?:D
04:02<devil>alyosha: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/disk might work
04:02<ompaul>ontherun: mic faulty?
04:03<ontherun>nope, was just talking to mum last night on it with windows
04:04<ompaul>ontherun: it is possible that logging in and out could release any locks that our friend skype put in place
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04:04<ontherun>ill be back then
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04:04*ompaul shoots skype in the head
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04:05<devil>ompaul: skype is in the right hands now, they will fix it up good ;)
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04:06<ontherun>ompaul: still not working :(
04:07<ompaul>ontherun: what model laptop is it
04:07<ontherun>acer something
04:07<ompaul>that is make not model
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04:07<ontherun>i know, ill try find out
04:08<ompaul>you pick it up and look on the bottom ;-)
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04:08<ompaul>monty python ====> that way
04:08<ontherun>aspire 4810T is the rirts letters
04:09<ontherun>ms2271 is the model number
04:10<ompaul>the 4810T was enough
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04:13<ompaul>ontherun: the debian you are using is squeeze I take it
04:14<ompaul>ontherun: open alsamixer and hit the "prt scrn" button to create a screen shot (close anything you don't want seen) and pop that onto
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04:18<ontherun>is that right
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04:18<ompaul>ontherun: it looks ok
04:18<ompaul>but you have skype ope
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04:18<ompaul>when you left I didn't want it back on
04:19<ontherun>yeah, i tested it again
04:19*ompaul head desks
04:19<ompaul>IF it is buggy and blocks the mic you are most certainly going to have fun
04:19<ontherun>so log off again?
04:19<ontherun>but it didnt work before skype was even installed
04:19<ompaul>don't use skype as a test suite use audacity
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04:20<ompaul>you have changed things since then
04:20<ontherun>okay , do it again?
04:20<ompaul>for one - you got rid of pulse and installed alsa
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04:20<ontherun>okay ill try again
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04:20<ompaul>please and btw turn up the muted but it should not impact and press F4 so you see all inputs
04:21*ompaul takes up smoking after 11 years again
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04:21<roland_>no go, not working
04:22<roland_>ompaul: give up?
04:23<ompaul>please and btw turn up the muted but it should not impact and press F4 so you see all inputs
04:23<ompaul>was my comment as you left
04:24<roland_>where do i do that?
04:24<ompaul>turn up the s/pidf but I doubt that it works
04:24<ompaul>how are you testing
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04:26<roland_>i cant turn on s/pdif. what is the key?
04:26<roland_>its on mm
04:26<ompaul>up cursor
04:26<roland_>not working
04:26<nevyn>or space
04:27<roland_>tried all those
04:27<ompaul>sorruy it won't work it does not have a column over it
04:27<ompaul>roland_: try an external mic
04:28<roland_>i dont have one, ill buy one tomorrow
04:28<roland_>i would rather not have to buy one though
04:28<nevyn>ompaul: yeah it will
04:28<ompaul>borrow and test
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04:28<ompaul>nevyn: ?
04:28<roland_>usb or 3.5?
04:28<nevyn>spdif has no mixer capability. it's on or off. so you can switch it without having a column over it
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04:29<roland_>i cant switch it
04:29<roland_>no button will switch it
04:29<Zaba>did you try 'm'
04:29<ompaul>roland_: I'd get hard wired but that is me
04:29<ompaul>none of your usb guessing
04:30*ompaul still does not trust USB
04:30<roland_>what is there to trust?
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04:32*nevyn still dislikes the physical connector profile.
04:32<nevyn>particularly A
04:32<nevyn>B's not so bad.
04:32<Zaba>I dislike it that there are so many variants
04:32<wala>im here for first time
04:32<nevyn>Zaba: there's only like 4
04:33<nevyn>well there's 7 but 3 that matter.
04:33<nevyn>4 if you care about OTG
04:33<ompaul>wala: have you a debian question?
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04:34<wala>im sorry for interupt
04:34<ompaul>wala: what is your debian question?
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04:35<ompaul>you are using the nick wala so yes you
04:35<wala>im sorry
04:35<wala>im very bad in using
04:35<wala>im lost
04:36<ompaul>you are on irc
04:36<wala>i know
04:36<ompaul>are you on debian?
04:37<wala> as i think
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04:37<ompaul>!tell wala about ask
04:37<ompaul>wala: read the message from dpkg
04:38<MrFrood>!tell wala about irc tutorial
04:38<wala>yas i read it
04:39<wala>and so
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04:39<wala>i feel like
04:39<wala>an elian
04:39<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
04:39<@Ganneff>and if you don thave a debian question: #moocows or #debian-offtopic
04:40<wala>first what is debian???
04:40<wala>im so ignor
04:41<wala>im sorry
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04:43<alyosha>hi i would like to install this package
04:43<alyosha>but since mi internet don't work i downloadate
04:44<alyosha>and now i'm not sure how to install this
04:45<nevyn>alyosha: if you downloaded that. it's not a tar.gz
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04:45<alyosha>or it would be better if i downloaded .dsc?
04:46<darius_>deb would be best
04:46<nevyn>download the .deb file
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04:46<alyosha>oo nice:)
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04:48<nevyn>the link to that is on the page you posted.
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04:52<vinus>hi all
04:52<vinus>is the right place to get an help for xubuntu new user?
04:53<nevyn>try #ubuntu
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04:53<vinus>thanks. any suggestion ?
04:53<vinus>ok thanks
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05:01<dpkg>Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. #perl on See also <dh-make-perl>.
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05:07<mjt>Lovely. Just tried several music players in a row - exaile, lxmusic (I run lxde), amarok, some gnome thing. Neither of them works :)
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05:07<CyberCalm>mjt, does sound work?
05:07<mjt>i usually used mplayer or vlc lately, from command line, wanted to try some more "gui" verson :)
05:07<CyberCalm>Like, any sound
05:08<mjt>exaile does not play anything - it says it's playing but no sound is produced. lxmusic does not add any file to the playlist - neither flac nor mp3 nor ogg. amarok crashes at startup (sigsegv)
05:08<CyberCalm>No i mean...
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05:08<CyberCalm>Does anything else produce audio
05:08<mjt>vlc works, mplayer works
05:09<mjt>firefox^Wiceweasel works too
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05:09<MrFrood>!tell mjt about alsa-checklist
05:09<CyberCalm>I'm not familure with any of those programs, try audacious and look @ preferences to configure your settings properly
05:09<CyberCalm>I've used AmaroK but i really dislike it since they moved away from the 1.4 gui
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05:10<mjt>alsa works correctly (re alsa-checklist), and i don't have oss (compat) modules loaded
05:11<mjt>what (simple, gui) players people use? The above 3 is what I found installed.
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05:12*CyberCalm sighs
05:12<CyberCalm>See previous post.
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05:13<mjt>audacious is the project which was started "on top" of xmms, right?
05:13<CyberCalm>I dont know what you mean by on top though
05:13<CyberCalm>It doesn't matter either way though..
05:14<mjt>oh, it was beep, not xmms
05:14<MrFrood>mjt: I have vlc & mplayer for vids but for audio I'm TUI all the was with MOC and shell-fm (piping to mplayer) so no simple GUI players here :-/
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05:15<mjt>audacious works out of the box. Thanks! :)
05:15<CyberCalm>No problem, Take a look @ some of the plugins, two of them atleast to my ears help with making audio cripser etc
05:15<CyberCalm>various plugins do various things
05:16*MrFrood thinks the quickest was to improve the audio output is to use JACK
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05:18<CyberCalm>I can't believe its so late and im still not even remotely tired. not good.
05:18<CyberCalm>Late // Early
05:18*MrFrood thinks CyberCalm is not on UTC
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05:21<darius_w>where does bluetooth/hcid.conf gone in squeeze? how do i make my phone find the pc ?
05:21<mjt>aha. I remember why I disliked audacious: I can't put it into system tray.
05:22<CyberCalm>yes you can
05:22<CyberCalm>"theres a plugin for that"
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05:30<mjt>ok, found it. status icon. Thanks!
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05:34<mjt>Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi!
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05:38<NthDegree[Web]>Does anyone know of any file/data recovery software for Debian?
05:38<NthDegree[Web]>Ideally to recover from FAT/FAT32
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05:39<darius_w>tar ;)
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05:39<NthDegree[Web]>darius__, portable drive, from a Windows user (feeling sorry for me yet?) ;-p
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05:40<t32>why i can't install anything ? pkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
05:41<darius_w>t32: error explains everything, run sudo dpkg --configure -a
05:41<t32>darius_w, right! :) thanks
05:42<t32>darius_w, my bad
05:42<darius_w>t32: that happend most probably becouse you rebooted your system while instalkling something..
05:42<MAXmark>try aptitude
05:43<t32>darius_w, got it
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05:43*NthDegree[Web] has found testdisk as a solution :D
05:43<t32>darius_w, and why after installing Nvidia driver i got wrong boot screen resolution ?
05:43<t32>darius_w, its big lik 800x600 and 8bit colors
05:45<darius_w>try reconfigure and reboot
05:45<t32>how to reconfigure it ?
05:46<t32>im new on linux :)) sorry
05:47<mjt>fun. I thought it's just one application, but it appears _all_ gtk progress bars are not working here somehow :)
05:47<darius_w>not sure about this, nvidia gives you utility to gerenera xorg.conf
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05:47<mjt>darius_w: how about forgetting xorg.conf already :)
05:47<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>.
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05:49<darius_w>ok ok ;)
05:50<EmleyMoor>Is there a program or setting out there (GNOME, if it helps) that will inhibit the screen saver with the pointer at a particular edge/corner?
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05:55<arand>EmleyMoor: I know ther's a panel toggle app, not sure if compiz can do corner detection on it..
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06:01<darius_w>where to put stuff from hcid.conf in squeeze? :/
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06:16<juri>hi, how to get vp8 encoder to work with vlc?
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06:25<MrFrood>juri: #videolan on
06:29<juri>but the problem is stripped vlc in debian, vlc in other distris use encoders like x264 and vp8
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06:30<MrFrood>juri: I thought with vlc the encoders were built-in..?
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06:31<juri>not at all in debian
06:31<MrFrood>juri: build it from source then
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06:33<albertito>hi! I'm getting "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." from I'm using rtorrent (I recently upgraded it, although it may have been happening before)
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06:35<albertito>I'm trying to seed some of the Debian ISOs, and it used to work at least until a few days ago
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06:35<albertito>Is this a known issue? Or should I file a bug or contact someone about it?
06:36<juri>that is difficult, course of ffmpeg. but vp8 comes with chromium codecs so vlc can use it, but do nont
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06:47<MrFrood>!tell juri about build-dep
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07:00<juri>ok, thx ,i will try build it from source
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07:38<PeterNL>Hi, sorry for being 1 minute late :D
07:38<PeterNL>But how stable is debian testing atn?
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07:42<lee-0>PeterNL: I´m using testing, didn´t have problems in years with it.
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07:43<EmleyMoor>Is there a program or setting out there (GNOME, if it helps) that will inhibit the screen saver with the pointer at a particular edge/corner?
07:43<lee-0>PeterNL: I started doing so because the big leaps between releases turned out to be more troublesome than to always use testing.
07:45<PeterNL>Okay. Will install testing on my laptop today. ubuntu upgrades suck, so I am still running ubuntu 9.10 :D
07:46<lee-0>PeterNL: You should be fine with testing :)
07:47<PeterNL>okay. Should i use "testing" or "wheezy"
07:48<PeterNL>e.g. what is the best thing to have when wheeze becomes stable?
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07:50<lee-0>PeterNL: I don´t know about the release names. I´m just using testing all the time.
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07:50<PeterNL>the current testing is wheezy, but when that becomes stable, how stable will the new testing be?
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07:51<PeterNL>Oh, and how easy is it to upgrade from stable to testing?
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07:52<lee-0>PeterNL: I think I´ve done that only once, years ago, and it wasn´t any more difficult than upgrading from one stable release to the next. Actually, it should be easier because testing isn´t as far ahead of stable as the next stable release will be ahead of the last one :)
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07:53<PeterNL>so I should just adapt the oldstable > stable instructions? Sounds easy ;)
07:53<lee-0>Just upgrade once in a while to keep your testing up to date.
07:54<PeterNL>And how's upgrading from ubuntu to debian? Or is that (near-)impossible?
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07:55<lee-0>If you currently have stable installed, there should be instructions to upgrade to testing. If not, I´d think you could use the oldstable-->stable instructions and apply them to testing.
07:55<SynrG>PeterNL: re testing, see #debian-next
07:55<lee-0>I´ve never used Ubuntu. You probably can´t upgrade it to Debian testing since they are different distributions.
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07:56<PeterNL>Well, that I won't bother trying ;)
07:56<SynrG>re ubuntu -> debian, do a fresh install of debian instead. migrate over your data (/home) and confs *carefully* because there may be important differences between them
07:56<SynrG>i.e. don't just stomp on /etc with the ubuntu /etc. likewise with dotfiles in your home dir
07:57<PeterNL>I think I won't migrate /etc since I don't have anything special in there anyway.
07:57<PeterNL>And I'll try opera Link for my browser config (I'm and Opera fan...)
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07:58<lee-0>ok, I need to reboot --- bbl
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07:58*grove has tried upgrading ubuntu->debian twice, it's not adviceable
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07:59<PeterNL>Then I'll just image the disk and start all over again. This is also the right moment to remove my temporary windows install ;)
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08:01<dominique>good morning
08:01<dominique>PeterNL: how's everything? :)
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08:02<PeterNL>How's everything in Brazil?
08:02<PeterNL>(don't ask)
08:03<dominique>PeterNL: as good and hot as usual :)
08:03<PeterNL>Must better than here
08:03<dominique>how's there?
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08:04<PeterNL>It can be quite warm here, but we are not used to it, and our climate doesn't really work well when it's over 25C
08:04<PeterNL>But now it's 16C and it has just stopped raining
08:04<dominique>PeterNL: where are you from?
08:04<PeterNL>NL > Netherlands (aka Holland)
08:05<dominique>PeterNL: nice.. I went there once, but for 2 days only
08:05<PeterNL>You know, we used to own Surinam.
08:05<dominique>now you don't?
08:05<dominique>did you lost it or just gave it away?
08:06<PeterNL>Surinam is independent since 1975. it is "wrong" to have colonies in the 21st century
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08:07<dominique>PeterNL: I guess england still have canada and everyone is fine about that... cannada is a wonderful place to be in :)
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08:07<dominique>but anyway, we're not diplomatics or whatever.. if it's not, than it's not
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08:09<dominique>i'm having problems with firmware anytime i try to update or upgrade my system.. does anyone know how to solve that?
08:09<dominique>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169
08:09<dominique>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
08:09<dominique>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
08:09<dpkg>r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. A regression was found with this driver in the <6.0.1> point release (Debian bug #619173) and fixed at linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, see <proposed-updates>. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>.
08:10<mjt>dominique: actually these aren't problems, these are just warnings
08:10<mjt>problems is when it does not work
08:10<dominique>mine is 2.6.32-5-amd64
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08:11<mjt>the firmware which is now outside of the kernel is needed by only a small subset of all cards, but obviously is referenced by the driver
08:11<dominique>it wasn't supposed to get this warning, right?
08:11<PeterNL>Hey, i'm also using that driver. Never had problems.
08:11<lee-0>Hm, too bad, without the BKL enabled in the kernel, the emu10k1 sound driver isn´t available. How do I find out when that might be solved?
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08:15<Guest1807>hi i have a huge problem i cant get my sound to work i mean sound is working it is playing but its realy quiet...and also there is a strange sound really loud...the plug works defenetly becouse when i plug my iphone in it works perfekt help please
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08:16<lee-0>dominique, there´s a driver on the realtek website for r8168 cards. Unless you upgrade to a more recent kernel, you might want to use that one.
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08:16<Guest1807>how can i upgrade to a more recent kernel?
08:17<mjt>lee-0: that's just wrong suggestion. debian-provided driver, from official kernel, works
08:18<ompaul>Guest1807: why not get your sound working better - use the in app volume the desktop volume and the speakers amp all at the same time and why would a newer kernel make that change
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08:18<lee-0>mjt, the r8169 doesn´t work with all kernels. I´ve had that problem and reported a bug which then was fixed. I just don´t remember which version of the kernel it was.
08:18<mennucc>Guest1807: it may be the case that the loud noise is just mic feedback: use alsamixer , pull down all microphone inputs
08:19<mjt>lee-0: vendor driver had the same bug too, fwiw
08:19<grove>Guest1807: I agree with ompaul that a newer kernel, won't help with your sound issues, but if you really want, there's a 2.6.38 in backports
08:20<lee-0>mjt: With the r8169, the kernel crashed during boot. It worked fine with the r8168 driver from realtek.
08:20<ompaul>Guest1807: there is rule in fixing stuff - - - change exactly one thing at a time
08:21<lee-0>mjt: I switched to 2.6.38-5 yesterday, and the r8169 driver works. I haven´t even seen it requesting firmware, though.
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08:22<Guest1807>ive tried that that loud noise is still its only when i plug it in to my computer when i plug it in to my phone it works....the strange thing is i hear that loud sound but also i hear the musik just very quiet
08:22<Guest1807>ive tried that that loud noise is still its only when i plug it in to my computer when i plug it in to my phone it works....the strange thing is i hear that loud sound but also i hear the musik just very quiet
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08:23<mjt>mute microphone input?
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08:24<Guest1807>i did
08:24<mjt>it smells like a hardware problem when
08:25<Guest1807>hardware worked with windows
08:25<Guest1807>and i already tried the onboard sound
08:25<Guest1807>and also an pci sound
08:25<Guest1807>both the same once i plug the plug in strange loud noise and musik very quiet
08:27<Guest1807>what could i do?
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08:28<ky4k0b>sup guys
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08:29<ky4k0b>can anyone give me an advice?
08:29<Guest1807>my sound>(
08:29<Guest1807>i should of left windows on it
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08:30<grove>!tell ky4k0b about anyone
08:30<dominique_>ky4k0b: if we can help, we'b he happy to
08:31<dominique_>!tell dominique about anyone
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08:31<dominique_>wow didn't know that about 'anyone'
08:32<ky4k0b>how can I downgrade from squeeze to lenny?
08:32<ky4k0b>id it possible to do dummy way like switch squeeze to lenny in sources.list
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08:32<ky4k0b>and do aptitude upgrade after it
08:33<dominique_>i think it won't be good
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08:34<ky4k0b>so the best one is to remove it and install lenny from the beginning?
08:34<grove>ky4k0b: Yes, but why would you want to do that?
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08:35<ky4k0b>I'm a support guy in MERA-systems :) and I'm about to install our voip softswitch to our client
08:35<ky4k0b>but we dont support squeeze yet
08:35<dominique_>ky4k0b: yes, you should start all over
08:36<dominique_>ky4k0b: and you better not keep the files during install of the base system. or you'll get install errors
08:36<grove>(and just replacing squeeze with lenny in sources.list, and `apitude upgrade`, won't do anything, `aptitude dist-upgrade` might do a little, but it won't be good)
08:36<dominique_>ky4k0b: have you considered running it on a virtual machine?
08:38<ky4k0b>not an option
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08:39<ky4k0b>ok, thanks guys. I'll ask to reinstall OS
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08:40<dominique_>see you
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08:41<dominique_>what's the differente between apt-get install update and apt-get install upgrade?
08:42<jackyf>dominique_: they do completely different things, did you read the manual?
08:43<jackyf>btw, without 'install'
08:43<rah>is there a package called "update"?
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08:43<grove>First will try to install a package called update, second will try to install a package called upgrade - both will proaly fail
08:43<dominique_>jackyf: not actually.... where do i find it? all i know is that when i run update, it says that i need to upgrade and so i do :)
08:43<jackyf>dominique_: man apt-get
08:44<dominique_>i mena apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
08:44<grove>In case you meant to ask about `apt-get update` and `apt-get upgrade`, first reads fresh package lists from sources, second upgrades packages
08:45<jackyf>dominique_: or google 'apt howto'
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08:45<dominique_>i'm reading the man apt-get.. thanks :)
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08:55<babilen>dominique_: You might also want to consider using aptitude in lieu of apt-get, but that is a matter of personal preference. /msg dpkg why aptitude -- /msg dpkg why not aptitude
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09:03<Bengt>what does Verbose stand for?
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09:08<dominique_>whenever i shutdown my system, instead of shuting down, it only goes to login option and i have to shut it down through command line.. any idea of what it might be?
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09:09<grove>Bengt: Context? Verbose usually means "give more output"
09:09<Bengt>Ah, thanks.
09:10<dominique_>found it... acpid... thanks
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09:11<EmleyMoor>Is there a command line way to inhibit/re-enable both screensaver and DPMS
09:12<lee-0>xset +dpms
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09:12<themill>EmleyMoor: xdg-screensaver can do some of this
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09:13<EmleyMoor>themill: Hmmm... so pure commandline it probably can't work with brightside - but I'll give it a try
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09:14<lee-0>EmleyMoor, see man xset.
09:14<frogmouth>Have a prob building standalone drm.ko; any pointers?
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09:15<themill>EmleyMoor: you can also have fun with things like "qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver SimulateUserActivity > /dev/null" if needed....
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09:17<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... might be able to write a script to do it myself...
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09:17<EmleyMoor>(or a pair)
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09:19<themill>EmleyMoor: -> ~/bin/noscreensaver. Usage: "noscreensaver". Do something. "killall noscreensaver". Inelegant but works well enough that I have it in setup/teardown scripts for media players
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09:20<EmleyMoor>themill: I will have a look at that if my sson/ssoff scripts don't work
09:20<themill>sure. happy hunting :
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09:23<frogmouth>themill: hi
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09:40<mazpe>how can i see what a package is going to install?
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09:40<EmleyMoor>"Service 'org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver' does not exist." when I try that script
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09:42<EmleyMoor>Found one that might do
09:42<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... brightside still doesn't like it
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09:43<EmleyMoor>I'll see how it goes standalone
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09:50<madadam1>Hi, are acpid acpi-fakekey acpi-support services all necessary?
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09:56<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... script ineffective - screensaver kicks in after 5 mins
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09:57<EmleyMoor>brightside alone can inhibit the screensaver but it leaves DPMS operating
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11:11<mazpe>is there a way to install linux-image-ec2 on debian? it seems to be a Ubuntu package
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11:12<thewanderer1>mazpe: this is an Ubuntu package - you can run Ubuntu clouds with it... while you CAN install it on Debian, whether the system will do anything interesting (such as booting) is another issue
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11:45<shaik>Hi Guys....need help...can you please suggest me how to recover/repair the vsftpd.conf...actually i have accidentaly deleted..!
11:45<shaik>i have configred with some you want to see that
11:47<@weasel>reinstall the package with confmiss set, or purge the package and reinstall it.
11:47<@weasel>the latter might be "easier".
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11:49<shaik>yes...i have done reinstallation...i didn't got the vsftpd.conf file in /etc
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11:51<Javi12>tu s
11:52<babilen>!tell shaik -about confmiss
11:53<babilen>shaik: Note the "confmiss" part in weasel's hint
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11:56<__Alex_>Debhelper is Evil.
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11:56<themill>!es-social Javi12
11:56<dpkg>Javi12: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:57<shaik>babilen: Oops..i got it.. hahaha...Thank you...weasel and babilen..!
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11:57<Javi12>keeeee!!!! en español
11:57<shaik>for your kind information...!
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12:25<juan_>can anyone tell me the name of the old software center the one that show the start rating also?
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12:29<armani>what's an easy to use mailer in debian that works well with php?
12:29<themill>!wayttd armani
12:29<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, armani?
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12:30<PeterNL>php's own mail() function works very well -
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12:31<PeterNL>I'd recommend against using php mailer classes, just use the plain mail function (and don't use html mail, or keep it simple if you have to)
12:31<armani>themill, i'm trying to send emails via my localhost, but when i use php's mail function, i don't receive any of those emails. I was told that i might need to install a mailer program onto my debian in order for php to mail..?
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12:32<PeterNL>is php using sendmail or smtp?
12:32<themill>armani: you need to configure your mail-transport-agent correctly on your server.
12:32<armani>PeterNL, i've tried using it, but it doesn't seem to send, there's no error either,..not sure about the sendmail or smtp, how do i check?
12:32<armani>themill, thanks, i'll try to look up some documentation on that.
12:33<themill>armani: you probably want to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", select "smart host" and provide the details of your hoster's (or ISPs) mail gateway.
12:33<PeterNL>check php.ini/ I think it is in /etc/php5/cli or /etc/php5/apache2
12:34<PeterNL>themill, armani: you don't have to use a local smtp server
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12:34<PeterNL>you can use sendmail or configure your hosts smtp server in php directly
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12:35<armani>thanks PeterNL.. i've looked at my phpinfo, and it says that: sendmail_from no value and sendmail_path /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i
12:35<themill>PeterNL: are you sure about that? I'd like to see the documentation that says that's possible...
12:36<PeterNL>armani. try using error_reporting(0); before mail()
12:36<PeterNL>armani: then you might see the error you were waiting for
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12:36<themill>armani: or better, try sending an email using "mail" at the command line and make sure that works first.
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12:37<themill>PeterNL: there's no option to use SMTP there
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12:37<PeterNL>there is, it is "SMTP:
12:37<themill>PeterNL: «Used under Windows only:»
12:38<PeterNL>oh, wait a second, that's windows only...
12:38<PeterNL>...I have always used that option on windows, and sendmail on linux...
12:38<PeterNL> you *have to* use sendmail (or a sensmail wrapper) on linux...
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12:39<PeterNL>...wich is exim4 on debian.
12:39<armani>i've installed sendmail-bin onto my deb,..maybe this will help fix it?
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12:40<PeterNL>i'd stick to exim4 and ask themill how to configure it
12:41*themill hides behind babilen
12:41<armani>lol i got errors installing the program..
12:41<@weasel>and that's funny?
12:41<PeterNL>"<themill> armani: you probably want to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", select "smart host" and provide the details of your hoster's (or ISPs) mail gateway."
12:41<@weasel>people these days...
12:41<babilen>"aptitude install themill-helper" "themill-helper --configure=everyhting --fix=broken-stuff"
12:42<PeterNL>(but first remove sendmail-bin and related packages)
12:42<themill>dpkg --purge me
12:42*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up themill all over themill and jthomas...
12:43<armani>weasel, well, i find getting angry, frustrated etc doesn't i laugh it off and find a way to solve the problem at hand
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13:08<armani>that's the error i get when i install sendmail-bin
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13:09<mooglefrange>Hi, I've got pavucontrol installed, but a bunch of the little icons show up as sheets of paper with x's on them.
13:09<mooglefrange>I assume I'm missing some kind of GTK theme package? (debian 6.0.1 squeeze, fresh install)
13:10<sney>aptitude search icon-theme
13:10<mooglefrange>All I've got is hicolor-icon-theme.
13:10<sney>I have tango- and gnome-
13:11<sney>you can just pick and choose, though.
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13:11<mooglefrange>I'll install gnome and see if that fixes it. I run very few GUI apps, so it doesn't really matter too much.
13:11<dennisthetiger>mooglefrange: Have you checked the webpage listed in the package description for help at all?
13:12<mooglefrange>dennisthetiger: yeah, I was looking to see if it suggested any packages, because I know I installed all the deps, but may not have installed everything suggested.
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13:13<dennisthetiger>mooglefrange: Indeed. Sounds like the deps are broken, just on the convo at hand. =)
13:13<mooglefrange>Yep, gnome-icon-theme fixed it.
13:13<dennisthetiger>woot even
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13:14<mooglefrange>Cute pictures instead of little blank sheets of paper. Awesome. Should I file a bug or something...? This probably doesn't come up too often, I don't have gnome or kde installed.
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13:16<babilen>mooglefrange: I low-priority bug sounds reasonable.
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13:17<mooglefrange>babilen: cool, I'll get on that. Man, there's even a package for that... reportbug. Debian *rocks*.
13:17<dennisthetiger>Hmm... contrary to <dtc>, package dtc-toaster is not natively in the debian repositories; however, one can add some repos as shown on the web page. Who do I inform to get dpkg updated?
13:18<babilen>mooglefrange: You might be interested in reading and if you are unfamiliar with bug reporting in Debian. If something is unclear → ask
13:18*mooglefrange nods
13:18<mooglefrange>I'm reading that right now :)
13:19<babilen>wonderful :)
13:19<babilen>mooglefrange: Thanks for taking the time
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13:19<dennisthetiger>(BTW, Im referring to the local bot. =) )
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13:22<babilen>dennisthetiger: dtc-toaster is in lenny and sid and I am sure it has been removed from squeeze for a good reason. I would prefer to encourage users to create a backport themselves (/msg dpkg ssb) and not ask them to add third-party repositories which we can't and won't support.
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13:23<dennisthetiger>hmm... well put.
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13:26<jhutchins_lt>! free whcp
13:26<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
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13:27<jhutchins_lt>They can be very bad for your system and very insecure. Learning to administration properly from the console has it's own rewards.
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13:28<barbados>when using aptitude/apt i get an error saying something like /var/lock/aptitude can't be opened. is it safe to rm that file and do dpkg --configure -a? tia
13:29<barbados>no other instances running, installing was possible though
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13:32<jhutchins_lt>barbados: Are you doing this as root?
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13:42<msa>is there a mirror of i want to install Iceweasel 4.0
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13:42<msa>and I cannot connect to
13:42<kenyon>yeah I wonder why has been down
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13:42<diederik>.versions iceweasel
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13:43<diederik>msa: why would you want to install from there and not the debian repo?
13:44<kenyon>diederik: they package newer versions of iceweasel for squeeze
13:44<sney>diederik: has the backports.
13:44<diederik>ah ok
13:45<sney>it's probably hosted on alioth, which is also down
13:45<sney>I heard something about it coming back up on Monday or so
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13:46<kenyon>oh yeah, I saw the announcement about alioth
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13:47<jhutchins_lt>Firefox 4 doesn't meed Debians quality standards by quite a ways yet.
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13:47<babilen>diederik: so, be patient and use the official packages
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13:48<diederik>babilen: I'm running iceweasel 4 from experimental ;)
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13:50<babilen>diederik: Ah, ENICK, sorry :)
13:51<msa>i was happy with the backported version from
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13:51<sney>yeah, it works, it's just a hosting lapse for a couple days
13:52<diederik>dunno what ENICK is, but np ;)
13:53<barbados>jhutchins_lt: sry, phone call. yes i'm root
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>barbados: Make sure nothing (like a GUI update notifier) is using the database.
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>barbados: Did something get interrupted before it removed the lock file?
13:54<barbados>no such thing on my machine
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13:54<barbados>not sure
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14:21<massysett>is there a tool that compares Debian package version numbers?
14:22<petemc>compares them to what?
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14:23<babilen>massysett: "dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2" ?
14:23<massysett>yeah, that's it--knew I had seen something like that somewhere, thanks!
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14:39<flower>any idea how to set all changes made by sysv-rc-conf to the defaults?
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14:49<lee-0>How do I check if automatic process group scheduling is actually working?
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15:34<jgalt>trying to insert the ipip module I get "invalid module format but all the version info seems to match and I believe everything is from stock debian packages, nothing I've compiled.
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15:34<jgalt>what could be causing this?
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15:44<thewanderer1>jgalt: first of all, the kernel package from an unknown source... it's not even in oldstable
15:44<chelsea_smile>hey can somebody help me with xrandr. Im trying to turn on overscan or manually setting the screen size
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15:50<DerekDX>witam, instaluje wlasnie debiana wedlug instrukcji zamieszczonej na jestem na punkcie instalacji xservera wpisa³em komende ktora inicjuje instalacje aptitude install xserver-xorg xbase-clients xfonts-base xterm system pyta sie teraz czy napewno chce zainstalowac podane pakiety wcistam T i dostaje nieprawidlowe polecenie
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15:51<dpkg>[pl] polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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15:51<babilen>DerekDX: Or speak English in here :)
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15:51<babilen>!install x
15:51<dpkg>To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>.
15:52<babilen>DerekDX: ^^^ That might be helpful ;)
15:52<thewanderer1>babilen: actually, he's hitting the locale bug - aptitude asks in Polish for confirmation (T for confirm), but T is not recognised, where Y probably is :P
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15:54<babilen>thewanderer1: hehe, ok, my Russian is not good enough to understand Polish and I did not want to resort to MT
15:54<babilen>wonderful bug, btw
15:54<thewanderer1>what is MT? :P
15:54<babilen>machine translation
15:55<thewanderer1>okay... and the bug, from what I've seen, happens on some setups only, but no idea on which, so no reports from me... :P
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15:56<jgalt>thewanderer1: Is there a kernel package I can upgrade to from oldstable. this "box" runs debian 5.0. Anything special I'd need to consider as this is a VM running under xen?
15:56<Web-aptosid556>gibt es eine programmliste
15:56<chealer>jgalt: which Debian suite do you use?
15:57<chealer>jgalt: oldstable's Linux version is 2.6.26, not 2.6.18
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15:58<thewanderer1>jgalt: sure, there are kernel packages for xen... but the one you are running is not from Debian
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15:59<babilen>!tell Web-aptosid556 -about aptosid
15:59<jgalt>Chealer: not sure what you mean "Which debian suite..." this is a xen guest running at a colo miles from here
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15:59<babilen>Web-aptosid556: Please speak English in here. (Sprich bitte English in diesem Kanal und sei Dir bewusst, dass wir aptosid nicht unterstuetzen)
15:59<thewanderer1>chealer: this is not Etch either, just checked and informed him
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16:01<chealer>jgalt: I wanted to know which Debian version you use, but you already answered.
16:01<jgalt>is there a means to tell which version of xen I'm hosted under?
16:02<jgalt>(trying to figure out which kernel package to use for upgrade.)
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16:08<jgalt> - seems to be many xen kernel packages available, How can I tell which one to use?
16:11<jgalt>there's xen, and xen-vserver. I would guess one is intended for the host os running on real iron, and the other for xen guests, but how can one tell which is which?
16:11<chelsea_smile>does anyone know how to turn on overscan with xrandr?
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16:14<valdyn>chelsea_smile: "overscan" is just a display mode like any other
16:15<valdyn>chelsea_smile: the monitor determines ( for any mode ) if its overscan or not
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16:17<chelsea_smile>valdyn, how do i force it?
16:17<valdyn>chelsea_smile: force what?
16:18<chelsea_smile>valdyn, cant i force overscan?
16:18<valdyn>chelsea_smile: i dont know what youre trying to do that you are describing as overscan
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16:18<chelsea_smile>valdyn, im missing like half an inch around the screen
16:18<valdyn>chelsea_smile: because overscan is a monitor property more than a video mode
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16:18<valdyn>chelsea_smile: and your monitor has no controls to adjust that?
16:18<chelsea_smile>valdyn, no
16:19<chealer>jgalt: you need an image package, but please show your sources.list first
16:20<valdyn>chelsea_smile: theres a tool shipping with X, i forget the name, so I'm looking
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16:29<GambitDeclined>Hi All. Quick question, I have setup pinning between unstable and experimental, but can't seem locate how to prevent apt-get upgrade from downgrading my experimental iceweasel. Would someone point me to the answer?
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16:31<sney>sid support is in #debian-next these days, GambitDeclined
16:32<GambitDeclined>Oh, crap. I just figured it out. I have unstable pinned at 1001.
16:33<babilen>no surprise then :)
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16:34<valdyn>chelsea_smile: ok, i found it, "xvidtune", play with it till youre setisfied, and it can print out the mode specs which you can then use with xrandr or add to xorg.conf
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16:35<GambitDeclined>I do have another pinning question though. What the heck is the difference between pinning o=testing, a=testing, and n=testing?
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16:35<valdyn>chelsea_smile: its not working with my nvidia drivers though, ancient tool, new drivers
16:36<GambitDeclined>I have found lots of people that seem to use those options, but didn't see any explanations.
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16:43<jgalt>I fixed the sources list when the hosting company's local mirror quit working, now using debian mirrors.
16:45<jgalt>chealer: I know I need an image but do I need a xen or xen-vserver image?
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16:48<chealer>jgalt: you have etch sources on lenny, you should remove these
16:49<chelsea_smile>valdyn, thanks ill try it
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17:52<jgalt>chealer: thanks, I now have a much shorter list and all xen-vserver choices are gone. just installed linux-image xen-686 and rebooted but box reboots to old kernel. How can it boot to the new kernel?
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17:58<chealer>jgalt: hum, could you provide the output of $ dpkg -l linux-image-2*|grep ii; ?
17:59<chealer>I'm going to eat
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18:03<mike_>I'm relatively new to pinguy os
18:04<mike_>is it possible to install a trendnet wireless adapter drivers onto my machine?
18:04<daemonkeeper>we could tell more if you were able to identify the chipset (or you could provide the PCI ID)
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18:05<jgalt>chealer: ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 2.6.26-26lenny2 Linux 2.6.26 image on i686, oldstyle Xen sup
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18:57<aowen10>good evening
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18:59<aowen10>is there anyone here or should I pop back another time?
18:59<devil>there is...let me see....468 here
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19:00<aowen10>yes but I don't count AFKs :)
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19:01<Max00>Hi guys, I'm just finished building my first hardware RAID5 with 3 drives and I got my first error when discovering the HDs during the Debian 6 Squeeze installation.. It is unable to recognize the RAID.. it see the three drives. Do somebody had the same luck?
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19:02<aowen10>anyway, I have written a bit of software that enables a currently non DFSG compliant program (Fuse-emulator) to become DFSG compliant. However, I'm holding off on releasing it until 100 people donate $16 or more each to the Red Cross Japan appeal. My question is, where would be the best place to post a notice for Debian users who might be interested in supporting my pledge campaign?
19:02<jhutchins_lt>Max00: What controller?
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19:04<Max00>jhutchins, NVIDIA
19:04<Max00>I know.. sounds like problems
19:05<abrotman>Max00: it's not a real raid controller
19:05<abrotman>!tell Max00 about dmraid
19:05<abrotman>!tell Max00 about swraid
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19:06<jhutchins_lt>Max00: What controller?
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19:09<Max00>jhutchins, NVIDIA .. btw.. abrotman just explain me that it is not a real raid controller.. and used the "tell" function to show me information about dmraid and swraid ... now I'm sad !:(
19:09<Max00>just kidding
19:10*aowen10 waits patiently for an answer
19:11<aowen10>It's an emulator for an ancient 8-bit machine
19:11<aowen10>but the distribution license for the ROM is incompatible with the DFSG
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19:11<daemonkeeper>aowen10: README.Debian or so?
19:11<daemonkeeper>Or do it like vim.
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19:12<aowen10>I'm a casual Debian user
19:12<aowen10>I don't even have it installed currently
19:12<aowen10>k, found a net copy
19:12<aowen10>no that didn't help
19:13<aowen10>looked through and found this place
19:13<daemonkeeper>README.Debian is a file shipped along a package.
19:13<aowen10>I was wondering if there was a forum somewhere or if I should just post to usenet
19:13<Max00>so, about the performance with sw raids.. is there a real problem?? (I tried with the on board controller just because I read some articles burning up the of mount a software raid)
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19:14<daemonkeeper>and by "do it like vim" I meant the "help iccf" message vim shows.
19:14<aowen10>sorry, you lost me
19:15<abrotman>aowen10: hold on ...
19:15<abrotman>aowen10: the ROMs are copyrighted with no source, right?
19:15<daemonkeeper>i was replying to your question "where would be the best place to post a notice for Debian users who might be interested in supporting my pledge campaign"
19:15<aowen10>source is available, but the license is restrictive
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19:15<aowen10>daemonkeeper: ah I understand now
19:16<abrotman>aowen10: the license is GPLv2?
19:16<aowen10>I'm not the maintainer of the package though
19:16<aowen10>the ROMs are distributed under a non-free license
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19:16<aowen10>my replacement is licensed under GPLv2
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19:16<abrotman> .. says it is GPLv2
19:16*aowen10 isn't even sure there is a maintainer of the package
19:16<aowen10>the emulator itself is GPLv2
19:16<aowen10>the ROMs aren't
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19:16<abrotman>right .. but it's already in Debian ?
19:17<aowen10>not in main though
19:17<abrotman>it's in contrib ..
19:17<abrotman>Do you understand what 'contrib' means ?
19:17<aowen10>which means non-techy people end up having to build it themselves
19:17<daemonkeeper>it doesn't
19:17<aowen10>it means it's not in a default repo
19:17<abrotman>Do you understand what 'contrib' means ?
19:18<daemonkeeper>abrotman: Its in testing/unstable, not yet in stable (I think he meant)
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19:18<aowen10>if it's a repository yes, otherwise no ... I am full of flu
19:18<daemonkeeper>aowen10: note the maintainer on the right column
19:18<abrotman>aowen10: i meant, do you understand the distinction between main/contrib/non-free ?
19:18<aowen10>or at least I think so
19:19<aowen10>as I understand it, it's in contrib because it has a non-free dependency
19:19<daemonkeeper>Your statement was wrong, hence abrotman casts doubt on your understanding
19:19<aowen10>well it's possible that I do not understand
19:19<abrotman>no .. he's correct
19:19<daemonkeeper>contrib/non-free is (of course) available in binary packages as well.
19:19<Maulkin>Near enough
19:19<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
19:20<abrotman>the package itself is DSFG-compliant .. but depends on non-free bits to actually work ... in this case, i'd guess the non-free bits are the ROMs
19:20<aowen10>ok, then it's as I understood it
19:20<daemonkeeper>What you mean is, I guess, it is not yet available in a stable release.
19:20<aowen10>yes, that's right
19:20<abrotman>right .. /msg dpkg ssb
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19:20<daemonkeeper>But that has nothing to do with contrib/non-free
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19:21<Maulkin>There's also another reason... 10 quiz points for why something may be in contrib, with a DFSG licence, but have no dependancies that aren't in main.
19:21<abrotman>does that count toward a DD application? :)
19:21<Maulkin>No, surprisingly.
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19:22<aowen10>so I'm thinking my best bet at this point is to email the maintainer and let him worry about it, if getting it into main is of interest to him?
19:22<abrotman>Maulkin: like the flash installer?
19:22<abrotman>a wrapper for an installer of something it downloads itself?
19:22<daemonkeeper>Maulkin: I guess, because it is not usable without the roms/ directory.
19:22<Maulkin>Ok, that's a third one :)
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19:22<abrotman>do i get 20 points? :)
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19:23<aowen10>I already said that
19:23<Maulkin>abrotman: of you like.
19:23<abrotman>aowen10: but the package, AIUI, couldn't be in main at all .. it doesn't work without the ROMs
19:23<daemonkeeper>Probably it does
19:23<aowen10>right ... but my replacement ROM is DFSG compliant
19:23<aowen10>so with the replacement it could be
19:23<daemonkeeper>It is just not useful without
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19:24<Maulkin>Things go in conrtib, if they have no purpose, but to run non-free items. See scummvm's recent transition to main, until recently, it was completely free, but had no *purpose* apart from running things which were non-free
19:24<abrotman>how could the ROM be compliant? does it have source?
19:24<aowen10>yes it has source
19:24<abrotman>aowen10: so you want to have people donate to get to this sample ROM?
19:25<aowen10>yes, I'm trying to raise a bit of cash for the Japan appeal before releasing it
19:25<abrotman>Maulkin: so in this case, it sounds like a similar situation ?
19:25<aowen10>I'm short by 28 names
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19:25<aowen10>sort of altruistic ransomware if you will
19:25<Maulkin>Are there any DFSG compliant roms?
19:25<aowen10>only mine
19:25<aowen10>everything else is derived from non-free code
19:26<Maulkin>And your rom is?
19:26<abrotman>or has no source code at all ?
19:26<aowen10>my ROM has full (currently not-published) source
19:26<aowen10>builds with GNU binutils
19:26<Maulkin>(it should be more than a test program, ie: have a purpose in it's own right)
19:27<aowen10>well the main aim was to make it legal for electronics hobbyists to build and sell clones
19:27<Brian_R>Someone with write access to around?
19:28<abrotman>Brian_R: in #debian-live perhaps
19:28<Maulkin>I doubt it.
19:28<aowen10>enabling Fuse-emulator to be DFSG compliant was just a pleasant side effect
19:28<Brian_R>abrotman, there was no activity there -- I asked there first. It's a trivial -- some may say dogwash -- fix.
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19:31<aowen10>well I've dropped the maintainer an email
19:32<daemonkeeper>Having a popcon of 29 you probably won't reach a large audience ;)
19:32<daemonkeeper>Even if the maintainer helps you
19:33<aowen10>well no, I was surprised to get 72
19:33<aowen10>but that's more pledges than a lot of less niche campaigns on that site have attracted
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19:35<aowen10>and it's good to aim high, right?
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19:37<aowen10>Anyway, thanks for the pointers. I need to get some sleep now as it's 12.30am in the morning here. Goodnight all!
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20:13<dominique>good evening
20:14<MrFrood>good morning :P
20:14<dominique>MrFrood: morning!
20:15<dominique>after i upgrade the kernel, how do i remove the old one?
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20:16<MrFrood>aptitude remove foo
20:17<MrFrood>or just use synaptic or aptitude in TUI mode
20:17<kop>dominique: aptitude purge kernel
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20:18<kop>dominique: (aptitude purge kernelfoo that is.)
20:18<kop>dominique: Kernels are different. They don't go away until purged.
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20:19<kop>dominique: (I've always assumed this is because you don't want your running kernel, and modules, to disappear just because you've upgraded the kernel, but that's only a guess.)
20:20<cthuluh>after an upgrade it is advised that you don't purge the last one, but the last but one kernel
20:20<dominique>cthuluh: why that? is there a chance that anything goes wrong?
20:20<kop>dominique: Yup.
20:21<kop>dominique: Just in case there's a regression that affects your hardware. It's unlikely but could happen.
20:21*MrFrood always keeps two or three kernels around
20:21<dominique>i heard debian would have drivers for realtek 8192 in kernel 2.6.39, but mine still doesn't work
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20:21<dominique>i still have to download the driver, the headers and do everything manually
20:22<dpkg>For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>.
20:22<MrFrood>dominique: what version of debian are you using..?
20:22<cthuluh>I've heard that there should be re-work over those drivers
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20:22<dvs>dominique: did you install the firmware-realtek package?
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20:23<dominique>in the new kernel? no
20:23<dominique>chambertux: epa!
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20:24<mlaks>hi how can i disable the default setting in xterm/rxvt/urxvt to print ~ when i enter F10 or F9 in the xterm? it involves using ksyms.
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20:26<chealer>jgalt: well then you should have a single Linux image, which is the one you want
20:27<chealer>jgalt: but you're still booting 2.6.18? do you use grub or what?
20:27<dominique>how do i ask things to dpkg?
20:27<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Both are not supported in the mainline Linux kernel at this time (mac80211-based driver is expected in Linux 2.6.40). An out-of-tree vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from
20:27<MrFrood>!tell dominique about selftell
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20:30<jgalt> chealer: No grub, it's a managed vm under xen pvm. I only have root on the vm not dom0
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20:34<eb3ha4el>is the difference between gnome debian and standard debian having DE inlcuded or not?
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20:37<babilen>eb3ha4el: There is no such thing as "Gnome Debian", but there are various cd1s that let you install a desktop environment such as Gnome, KDE, XFCE or LXDE. You don't have to install nay of them and I would recommend the netinstall image if you have a working (wired) network connection during the installation.
20:37<MrFrood>I'm pretty sure that all the debian install media have an option to install a DE
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20:41<eb3ha4el>does that mean even if i get, say, debian lxde, i have an option not to install lxde?
20:41<eb3ha4el>thing is i don't want any of them .. i wanna use custom window manager
20:42<babilen>eb3ha4el: Probably ... Depends on what you mean by "get debian lxde"
20:42<babilen>eb3ha4el: don't install it then (i.e. don't install the desktop task)
20:42<eb3ha4el>well in website, they have debian gnome, lxde, xfce, kde, rescue, and standard
20:43<babilen>eb3ha4el: Download a netinst ISO and don't install the desktop task, install Xorg and a Wm of your choice, done. /msg dpkg install x
20:43<eb3ha4el>great thanks
20:43<babilen>eb3ha4el: standard? I haven't seen that, do you have a link?
20:43<eb3ha4el>just a min
20:44<babilen>that is Debian LIVE
20:44<dpkg>i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
20:44<babilen>!firmware image
20:44<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install debian>.
20:45<babilen>babilen: I was talking about those ^^^
20:45<eb3ha4el>yea it's live one
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20:46<eb3ha4el>but thanks anyway seems things pretty clear now
20:47<babilen>Have fun :)
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20:57<dominique>i kind of need help with my realtek driver
20:58<mlaks>is this channel mostly for installing? anyone knowledgeable about ksyms ?
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21:09<jcjguy>how do I connect to a wireless WPA/WPA2 network outside the graphical desktop env. ?
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21:10<openm>Anybody here familiar with both Wuala and rTorrent?
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21:11<babilen>jcjguy: Various ways: Configure wpasupplicant (read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz) or use wicd-curses ... I heard that network-manager has a CLI interface too, but it lacked a lot of functionality last time I looked at it.
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21:16<babilen>jcjguy: It really depends on what you are after, but those are the alternatives. I would personally use wicd, but decide for yourself.
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21:16<jcjguy>what are the benefits of using wicd?
21:17<babilen>jcjguy: You can easily switch between networks without having to create a stanza in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for every single network you want to join
21:17<babilen>(assuming you would use wpasupllicant in roaming mode)
21:18<jcjguy>babilen: okay thnx, I'll check it out :)
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21:18<babilen>It really depends on what you need/want ...
21:19<jcjguy>well, what I really need/want is use SSH between my laptop and another machine
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21:20<babilen>well, install ssh on both machines (or openssh-server on the server and openssh-client on the client) and you are done
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21:21<jcjguy>babilen: I already have ssh installed :)
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21:36<eb3ha4el_>this is weird.. both netinst iso and live one doesn't work through USB, but they works in virtualbox, so i suppose problem is in either USB memory itself or in process of writing ISO.. what program do people use for this?
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21:36<sney>from linux, cat or dd. and make sure you sync before disconnecting
21:37<jcjguy>you could also use Unetbootin
21:37<babilen>cat/dd is the way to go
21:37<sney> is currently the recommended windows solution. If it won't recognize an .iso, you can safely rename to .img
21:38<jcjguy>I've used Unetbootin w/o problem for Debian netinst and live isos
21:39<sney>congratulations. it's also had some bad results. I won't recommend it to anyone here, but if they choose to use it, whatever
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21:39<sney>and on a *nix platform it's just overkill anyway
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21:43<babilen>sney: we probably should note that .iso → .img thing in the factoid -- windows still doesn't show file extensions does it?
21:44<sney>not by default, but there's a checkbox in view->folder options
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21:56<jcjguy>babilen: thanks for suggesting wicd-curses, it worked! have a nice day.
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22:56<user_>fdisk -l command doesn't list of any device any one know why?
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22:58<kenyon>user_: is it a virtual machine?
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23:00<__DL__>user_: have you tried it as root or as a normal user?
23:00<kenyon>user_: I get no output when I run fdisk -l as a regular user, but get output when run as root.
23:01<kenyon>also try the more modern tool: parted --list
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23:03<user_>that works great
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