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---Logopened Thu Jun 02 00:00:11 2011
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00:02<hyr4x>i was told to install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer over firmware-b43-installer
00:02<hyr4x>which is what i'm trying to do
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00:03<hyr4x>so gdebi failed on this step:
00:03<hyr4x>Resolving failed: Name or service not known.
00:04<hyr4x>obviously because i'm not connected to the internet
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00:04<hyr4x>if i download this file, how can i use it in the installation?
00:04<hyr4x>i mean
00:04<hyr4x>if i download it through windows
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00:31<DrivenMad>hi there :)
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00:35<DrivenMad>hyr4x you still there :)
00:35<DrivenMad>ohh the long wait for gnome to install from apt-get :)
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00:37<DrivenMad>waht is the name of the tool for debian that lets you do a compile config in termianl?
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00:38<DrivenMad>o7 cyril :)
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00:45<DrivenMad>Drivenmad has jsut learned the awesomeness of the use of the loop device :)
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00:49<DrivenMad>ohh yea make neuconfig :)
00:49<DrivenMad>menuconfig :)
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01:45<DrivenMad>ok im stuck.... how can i compile a kernel for armel on a x86 based install?
01:46<DrivenMad>i know its called cross compile. but where do i start?
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01:54<soloflyer>DrivenMad: use pbuild-cross
01:54<soloflyer>DrivenMad: pdebuild-cross even
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01:59<DrivenMad>Thankyou solo :)
01:59<soloflyer>np :)
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02:22<woo441>I edited the sshd_config file, in /etc/ssh to include:
02:22<woo441>PermitRootLogin no
02:22<woo441>PermitEmptyPasswords no
02:22<woo441>PasswordAuthentication no
02:22<woo441>Protocol 2
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02:24<woo441>Sorry about pasting code in
02:25<woo441>I edited the sshd_config file, in /etc/ssh to include -
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02:25<woo441>I can still ssh in though using a password though
02:25<woo441>This is a Linode server running Debian 6 32 bit
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02:25<steve_>what is a rootkit?
02:26<woo441>"software that enables continued privileged access to a computer while actively hiding its presence from administrators by subverting standard operating system functionality or other applications"
02:29<steve_>are there any rootkits I can download to learn how they work?
02:29<steve_>I just took over admin'ing a bunch of servers
02:29<steve_>and I figure the best way to learn about this stuff is to try it out in a sandbox
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02:30<woo441>steve_: don't know sorry
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02:33<soloflyer>steve_: are you looking at linux or windows?
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02:39<alvinPH>alvin: pinoy?
02:40<alvinPH>sino pinoy dito?
02:40<alvinPH>alvin: you! where are you from?
02:41<alvinPH>ah see, thought you're a Filipino.. coz we got the same name :D
02:41<alvin>lol, no :-)
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02:45<alvinPH>no active volunteer here? :D
02:45<mansi>i need to set password for grub2 in squeeze..please advise me with the best method
02:45<mansi>need i manually edit any config file or is there any safer method\?
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03:00<DrivenMad>there is a guide i saw on google for ubuntu.. should be close to waht you need mansi :)
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03:14<twb>Which manpage has the apt hook for mount -o remount,rw /usr in it?
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03:53<woo441>I'm running Debian 6 on a server. I have uploaded a ssh key to /user/.ssh. How do you test that ssh key authentication is working before you turn off password authentication in sshd_config?
03:53<twb>woo441: ssh into it
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03:54<twb>-oBatchMode=yes should turn off password prompting
03:55<mjt>ssh -v will show what auth methods are used
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03:57<twb>That too
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03:57<woo441>twb: ssh -i ~/.ssh/
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03:58<twb>Uh, directories aren't ssh keys
03:59<woo441>of course, thankyou twb
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03:59<woo441>thanks as well mjt
04:00<mjt>you're welcome
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04:04<jm_>woo441: next time use ssh-copy-id
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04:07<twb>Although note that ssh-copy-id assumes OpenSSH on both ends (cf. dropbear, GNU lsh)
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04:08<woo441>jm_: I've heard about it, is it a simple way to place in users (not root for security) ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
04:09<jm_>woo441: yup
04:09<jm_>is there a simple tool that can read sensors output and send mail if thresholds are exceeded?
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04:09<woo441>jm_: thanks, i'll read about it some more
04:09<jm_>I looked at sensord but that doesn't seem to be able to do it
04:09<twb>jm_: collectd
04:10<twb>Well, it may be overkill just for that
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04:10<twb>I replaced munin with collectd for various stat collection, and I'm currently in the process of customizing its email notifications, so it can replace nagios, too.
04:11<twb>I highly recommend it
04:11<babilen>twb: Preferred over Icinga?
04:11<twb>icinga is just a new nagios core
04:11<twb>The shitty pull-oriented fork-and-exec core is still there
04:11<babilen>yes, being a fork that makes sense.
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04:12<babilen>so, yes?!
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04:12<twb>With collectd, spokes push information to the hub, and the hub decides what to do about it
04:13<babilen>Ok, thanks for elaborating. :)
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04:15<jm_>twb: ok thanks, will try that, but dependency list is scarry due to rrd, which I don't intend to use at all if possible
04:15<twb>jm_: yeah, that's sad
04:15<twb>But you only need rrd on the hub
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04:15<jm_>twb: can I avoid writing to a rrd DB?
04:15<twb>For spokes only collectd-core is needed, plus whatever Recommends or Suggests you need to dlopen the plugins
04:16<twb>jm_: yes, if you need no state, or write to something else (like, I guess, SQL)
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04:16<jm_>twb: ok I'll investigate, sounds useful
04:16<twb>My spokes write to UDP, my hub listens to UDP and writes to RRD
04:17<jm_>ahh even -core has plugins included, just what I need
04:17<twb>Yeah, collectd itself just upgrades Suggests to Depends or some shit, and provides an example config file
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04:18<babilen>Suggests → Recommends
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04:21<twb>jm_: lucid (collectd 4.8) notes:
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04:23<jm_>twb: thank you
04:23<twb>The email part isn't in there, tho
04:24<twb>There's a stock email module but it didn't do what I want so I'm now running collectd 5.0 on the hub, with a python module to send the emails
04:25<jm_>yup, will figure it out - the web page seems to have lots of documentation, i noticed collectd-email and thresholds so I will try to combine that somehow, otherwise maybe collectd-exec
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04:27<twb>If you work out any cool stuff that isn't there, let me know -- I value your opinion :-)
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05:57<kusanagi>im trying to compile ls from coreutils with debug symbols to be able to debug... but im not sure how to do it... can somebody help me out?
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06:18<dutchfish>kusanagi, assuming you have buildessential installed, dget -x [link to latest debian sourc epackage you want]; debian/rules build.
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06:19<dutchfish>kusanagi, configure debug symbols if needed, or just use the debug package if available
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06:20<dutchfish>kusanagi, also see
06:21<kusanagi>thanks dutchfish
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06:21<babilen>!tell kusanagi -about package recompile
06:22<babilen>kusanagi: AFAICT there is no -dbg package for coreutils
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06:22<kusanagi>dutchfish, dget is part of devscripts btw
06:22<dutchfish>kusanagi, unnecary to have build-deps satisfied as well
06:23<kusanagi>i did CFLAGS=-g ./configure to get the debug symbols
06:23<dutchfish>kusanagi, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt"
06:24<dutchfish>(if you want to build it as package as in dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc
06:24<babilen>kusanagi: I am curious: What are you trying to achieve eventually? What are you interested in and why do you want a debug build of coreutils?
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06:24<kusanagi>I see dutchfish... I have to go now... but ill be back in 2 hours trying all that stuff thanks :D
06:24<kusanagi>babilen, well, i started stracing ls
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06:25<kusanagi>then I ltraced ls
06:25<kusanagi>and I had a big trouble following along with the shared library calls
06:25<babilen>hmm, ok. Just for fun and profit?
06:26<kusanagi>so i thought itd be better to debug the code along with the ltrace to make some sense out of it
06:26<kusanagi>fun and eventually, profit
06:27<kusanagi>id love to work with all this kind of stuff, but i found out nobody will hire me till i know all the stuff already
06:27<babilen>Ok, could have been something else. (e.g. triaging a bug in coreutils or whatev) -- Was just curious. My you have fun and a nice day! (I would however just compile ls and *not* replace the currently installed coreutils in case you mess something up. A chroot (like, for example, created by cowbuilder) might also be a good idea for "playing" with this.
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06:28<kusanagi>thankis for the tips ;)
06:28<kusanagi>I was not doing make install, just playing with the generated binaries
06:28<dutchfish>kusanagi, do it the debian way ;)
06:29<dutchfish>kusanagi, always build packages
06:29<kusanagi>its easy already having a debian folder
06:29*dutchfish nods
06:30<babilen>kusanagi: I recommend "Advanced Programming in the Unix environment" if you are interested in that
06:30<kusanagi>i found out a couple of packages helping me with that, paco and checkinstall
06:30<kusanagi>babilen, i was about to ask about a book
06:30<dutchfish>kusanagi, sure, but avoid checkinstall where possible
06:31<dutchfish>kusanagi, its good for quick and dirty but does by now way comply to the standards
06:31<dutchfish>kusanagi, it also has anoying pitfalls
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06:32<babilen>kusanagi: There are many other (such as "Understanding the Linux kernel" and other listed on -- But this is getting a bit too off-topic and I would recommend to continue this discussion in #debian-offtopic
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06:32<kusanagi>I g2g anyway
06:32<babilen>kusanagi: Also look into stow/xstow -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage
06:32<kusanagi>thanks for the info babilen and dutchfish :D
06:32<babilen>kusanagi: Sure, have fun!
06:32<kusanagi>in a couple of hours ill check all that info
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06:43<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
06:43<fgagv>mmm chiedo scusa
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07:37<mehdi_>hey guys if a linux distro has only live(without) installation can u set it up on ur PC?
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07:40<babilen>mehdi_: You can install Debian from the Live CDs, but I personally recommend to use the "normal" images. It looks as if you are asking about a different distribution and you have to ask them. I am not aware of a general way to install a Live CD
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08:05<n3lab>can andybody help with sdlmame? :)
08:06*n3lab is trying to run some romes using this emulator
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08:06<n3lab>does anybody use sdlmame? :)
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08:07<engywucz>what is sdlmama?
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08:08<n3lab>m.a.m.e. game emulator
08:08<n3lab>it has too crazy config(
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08:33<Aleric>Anyone know a good gigabit ethernet card that will work in a athlon 900 MHz box?
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08:34<thewanderer1>Aleric: it will not handle Gbit speeds at all, sorry (besides, this is offtopic here)
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08:35<Aleric>Well, I'm having problems with my debian box... packetloss. It might be the LAN.
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08:36<thewanderer1>checked the cable yet? for me, it was the hungry rabbit eating half of the wires... :P
08:36<jm_>Aleric: my atom has realte gigabit onboard and it can do gigabit just fine, so athlon 900mhz shouldn't be far behind
08:36<Aleric>I think that currently it has a 100 Mbit/s card... not even sure :/. It might be that this card can't handle my new modem, which basically requires a gigabit card.
08:37<thewanderer1>Aleric: get an e100e or sth like that... also, PCI will have a hard time supporting real gigabit, so don't expect 1000Mbit/s throughputs
08:37<Aleric>The total data throughput is not that high, max is 120 Mbit/s, I just want things to work right at low speeds (too, or especially).
08:37<thewanderer1>er, I meant e1000e
08:38<Aleric>but it's just a guess :/ ... maybe it's my ISP :(
08:38<thewanderer1>um, try it on a LAN and see
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08:38<thewanderer1>packet loss at ISPs is pretty common, that's why we have TCP :P
08:39<daemonkeeper>TCP doesn't like packet loss
08:39<jordanm>doesn't like it, but can handle it via retransmissions
08:40<daemonkeeper>Up to some degree
08:40<Aleric>The problem is internet radio.
08:41<seeS>high loss you use something else, either a funky tcp or a better layer 2 protocol
08:41<daemonkeeper>Having a lot of out of order packets and/or loss brings TCP into serious trouble.
08:41<Aleric>I have to manually restart it when it stops and that happens up to several times per hour :(
08:42<Aleric>I'm flood pinging the first gateway and that shows that I lost internet when it happens... but when I traceroute I have see packetloss to my firewall (which is weird, cause I have 0% packetloss when I use ping to it)
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08:43<thewanderer1>Aleric: you mean you're pinging the ISP's edge router?
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08:43<thewanderer1>and you're directly connected to the modem?
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08:44<Aleric>no, PC (fast one) --> (gigabit) HUB (100Mb/s) ----long cable---> PC (athlon 900) (100 Mb/s) ---> modem
08:45<Aleric>I am thinking about replacing the two ethernet cards in the athlon with gigabit too... but if it's too slow for that... Again, the MAX data through put I get from the modem is 120 Mbit/s, not a gigabit.
08:45<jordanm>if HUB is really a hub, perhaps that's the problem
08:45<jordanm>it must be atleast 10 years old :P
08:46<thewanderer1>hehe, true
08:46<seeS>wont be a hub if it switches speed
08:46<Aleric>It's not 10 years old :p .. what is it called. A switch then.
08:46<Aleric>It's smart and good.
08:46<weasel>there's no such thing as gigabit hubs.
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08:46<thewanderer1>so run something like smokeping on all your hosts and make them ping both each other and the ISP's edge router
08:46<thewanderer1>you'll see which part of the link is failing
08:47<seeS>so.. you're not losing ping but you are losing traceroutes?
08:47<thewanderer1>you might be able to correlate different readings
08:47<Aleric>seeS: yes
08:47<jordanm>Aleric: its not likely that your bottleneck on a home network with a home ISP is the LAN, unless there is some type of misconfiguration or hardware issue
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08:48<Aleric>For some reason I can't paste here ... but I see: 1 0.266 ms * * // 2 8.478 ms 8.045 ms 8.070 ms for example
08:48<Aleric>the stars are not there always, but often (more than half the time)
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08:49<seeS>try mtr, its pretty good for this sort of thing
08:49<Aleric>what's WRONG with this window?? I can't paste :/
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08:50<thewanderer1>is it just me or does 10.15 look strange and not quite ISP-ish?
08:50<Aleric>The command for that was: sudo traceroute -n -T -w 0.2 -N 1 -m 2
08:50<Aleric>It's just you :p
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08:50<thewanderer1>you seem to be behind NAT
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08:51<thewanderer1>there should be no difference between traceroute and ping, too, since traceroute is really ping but with changed ttl
08:51<Aleric>I thought it was my modem, but the ping is too high for that. So, it's the first gateway that the modem is connected to
08:51<Aleric>just lost music again :/
08:51<seeS>that's not true
08:51<seeS>ping is icmp echo request and response
08:52<seeS>traceroute is udp and icmp port unreachables
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08:52<thewanderer1>I can't imagine though how any ISP router would differentiate between ICMP echo and other ICMP
08:53<Aleric>It's possible that my firewall can keep up with icmp echo requests on one ethernet card, but has problems with the packets on the card connected to the new modem, maybe.. on the other hand, I don't see a lot of errors there :/
08:54<Aleric> RX packets:114452821 errors:825 dropped:0 overruns:846 frame:825
08:54<Aleric> TX packets:80034166 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
08:54<Aleric>And that might even be cause I played with the plug a bit
08:54<seeS>is errors increasing?
08:54<thewanderer1>tackle it part by part... check connectivity between two hosts, move on to next two
08:54<seeS>isp routers can and do handle them differently
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08:55<seeS>anyhow they are TCP traceroutes
08:55<Aleric>Every evidence points in the direction of the ISP.. but it will be near to impossible for me to convince them that "they have a faulty something that makes my internet drop away for 10 seconds every hour"
08:56<thewanderer1>Aleric: run smokeping and point it at the edge router... it should discover some outages if any are to appear
08:56<jordanm>thewanderer1: the manpage indicates that UDP is used by default
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08:57<seeS>the -T flag means use TCP
08:57<Aleric>thewanderer1: I'm running ping -f, that also shows me that it just drops away for several seconds, and then I lose the music stream (of course).
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08:58<Aleric>seeS: I tried several flags for the traceroute... what would best simulate a music stream?
08:59<seeS>music streams are tcp flows so traceroute doesnt look like it much at all, but its probably the best you can do
08:59<Aleric>Get *'s without the -T too.
09:00<seeS>they'll probably all act about the same
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09:01<thewanderer1>for discussing with the ISP, some graphs would probably do... they love graphs and you'll be more convincing :P
09:02<seeS>time to go
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09:03<Aleric>I wonder if it's normal that if you flood ping the nearest ISP router (that responds to pings, not the 10.* number, but one after that) that you can packetloss at all. On average I get about 0.2% packetloss.
09:04<Aleric>I'd be thrilled with that if it wasn't just gone for 10 seconds on a row sometimes :/
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09:04<Aleric>466351 packets transmitted, 465416 received, 0% packet loss, time 2262150ms
09:04<Aleric>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.057/5.182/161.136/4.714 ms, pipe 14, ipg/ewma 4.850/4.356 ms
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09:04<Aleric>That aint bad if you look at it like that :/
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09:05<thewanderer1>heh, only 1 thousand lost packets, no, who would give a crap :D
09:06<Aleric>Makes it a bit harder to convince my ISP ;)
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09:06<thewanderer1>try with a gbit card attached to the modem, though - ISP will not accept your complaints if you don't match their "hardware requirements", and I bet a 100Mbit/s card is not enough in their rulebook for running this
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09:08<Aleric>I could hook it up directly to my main PC - but then I'll have to turn that into a firewall first :(... And I'm getting old, I forgot how to do that :/. More and more I'm relying on things (from the past) to just work. Not really a clue anymore how to turn this box into a working firewall :/
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09:08<Aleric>Will a standard debian kernel work for a firewall with two ethernet cards?
09:09<thewanderer1>um, you don't have to turn it into a "firewall" if you're using it just for testing
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09:09<thewanderer1>(it will cut off access from the second PC, though)
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09:10<babalu>can you guys help me plz my ubuntu 10.10 wont start stays on a black screen whit some lines on it
09:10<Aleric>Main reason I need a firewall is to filter my mail by IP# :/... Still getting so much spam that I have to block all of china and korea and stuff like that.
09:11<Aleric>Just lost music again, did a traceroute and get:
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09:11<Aleric> 1 0.301 ms 0.221 ms 0.201 ms
09:11<Aleric> 2 * * *
09:11<Aleric>So, I lose internet to the 10.* number.
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09:12<babilen>babalu: You want #ubuntu on -- irc:// (click that if you are using Xchat)
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09:16<Aleric>The only solution I see is to write my own music player and read the incoming data into a buffer, buffer it for 30 seconds. But I don't want to wait when I switch stations, so then play the music back at a low pitch (ie, 99% speed) so it fills over time. Disadvantage would be that once the buffer is full I'd have to switch to 100%, which I suppose I could hear... hmm. I guess I could switch slowly from pitch 0.99 to 1.0 when the buffer fills
09:16<Aleric> up..
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09:19<Aleric>Hmm, mpg123 can use a proxy no?
09:22<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell babilen about ubuntuirc
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09:23<babilen>daemonkeeper: I know -- wanted to make a personal statement
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09:23<daemonkeeper>It has $nick in it!
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09:23<babilen>daemonkeeper: heh :)
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09:24<SynrG>Dear daemonkeeper, you may have already won $1,000,000. Personally yours, the bot.
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09:25<daemonkeeper>Oh, that's cool. Where do I need to send invoices for bank charges to? Nigeria?
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10:10<TCW> <. anyone a clue what might go wrong here? audacity refuses to start, only those error messages are shown.
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10:13<nevyn>TCW: is anything else using sound?
10:14<TCW>nevyn, vlc is pasuing, but using mplayer or something else, sound is played nevertheless
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10:14<TCW>pausing even
10:15<nevyn>do you have a .asoundrc or a /etc/asound.conf
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10:16<TCW>nevyn, I did stop vlc and some other tools that might use sound (but did not play right now) to no avail... oh... and yes, I do have a .asoundrc... and that makes me thinking, wait a sec :)
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10:16<nevyn>do you have dsnoop configured?
10:16<nevyn>or just dmix
10:18<TCW>nevyn, I did not configure anything apart from a basic change through .asoundrc (which I did delete just now and audacity works again) so I guess only dmix. And I have no idea what dsnoop myight even be :)
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10:20<TCW>nevyn, this is the former .asoundrc a little thing that did not work anyway... but it did not prevent any other audio tool I can think of from working... just audacity. Any idea there?
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10:22<us3r>is there an ubuntu channel here
10:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:22<TCW>us3r, maybe... but freenode is suggested
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10:35<messn>Hi, i have a minimaly installed (with fluxbox, software with less dependencies) Debian system on my laptop. If hardware temperature becomes so high, is system suspending or shutting down enabled by default? Do i need a package to install and configuration for this?
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10:41<thewanderer1>messn: it's normally the BIOS which controls shutdown on overheating, yet it should be possible to configure it in the OS too (for lower levels of temperature, of course)
10:41<thewanderer1>you could write a script which looks at `sensors` output every minute and suspends if the temps are too high, for example
10:42*babilen wonders if such a script exists already
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10:43<babilen>messn: I would look into lm-sensors ... Or actually I wouldn't really worry much about it. Your hardware will be turned off (BIOS) before it damages itself.
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10:44<edbian>Just tried to burn a DVD. What caused this write error?
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10:46<thewanderer1>babilen: there is some merit to suspending the system instead of shutting down and losing your work, though
10:47<messn>thanks for the replies. then no need to fear. i asked it because you know, summer is getting back. :)
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10:47<babilen>thewanderer1: yes, that is exactly my concern and the direction of the searches I am throwing at the interwebs now ... to no avail so far :-\
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10:50<babilen>thewanderer1: it seems to be handled by the kernel (at least some posts indicate that "Critical temperature reached ... shutting down" -- /me digs the source.
10:50<thewanderer1>sounds like an ACPI notification to me
10:50<daemonkeeper>I had the same impression
10:52<babilen>yeah, but I would still like how to configure/tune this. Not that important and I've never run into it, but once confronted with a question, I just want it answered :)
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10:57<edbian>Just tried to burn a DVD. What caused this write error?
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11:02<edbian>Nobody knows? Debian can't burn DVDs and there is no reason?
11:02<dondelelcaro>edbian: obviously Debian can burn DVDs.
11:02<edbian>dondelelcaro: Not for me!
11:02<edbian>dondelelcaro: What causes write errors?
11:03<daemonkeeper>Beyond that, not everyone is waiting for your problem. Maybe try again a bit later or ask in d-users
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11:03<edbian>d-users? What is that (not a channel?)
11:03<dondelelcaro>edbian: that looks like a bad dvd
11:03<dondelelcaro>edbian: however, most everyone uses growisofs to burn dvds nowadays
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11:04<edbian>dondelelcaro: Is it more reliable? Why is it more popular?
11:04<dondelelcaro>edbian: because it's not schilly-ware
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11:04<edbian>What is schilly-ware?
11:05<daemonkeeper>The developer of the former tool.
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11:05<daemonkeeper>Sort of a excentric mate.
11:05<edbian>I've burned 3 DVD's. with different ISOs and this keeps happening. I don't think that 3 DVDs out of the box were bad in a row
11:05<edbian>So k3b is not quality software?
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11:05<daemonkeeper>k3b is a frontend for either one
11:06<edbian>wodium is schilly-ware ?
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11:19<edbian>daemonkeeper: Thanks for the suggestion. I'm trying growisofs right now
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11:42<edbian>I'm getting very similar errors using growisofs!
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11:45<dondelelcaro>edbian: then either something is wrong with the DVDs, something is wrong with the kernel driver, or something is wrong with your drive
11:46<edbian>dondelelcaro: How can I figure out which one it is?
11:46<dondelelcaro>edbian: try entirely different manufacturer's dvds, try a different drive
11:46<edbian>dondelelcaro: ANYTHING will help right now. I don't expect you to fix it. Just give me some ideas of what to look up
11:46<edbian>dondelelcaro: Trial and error... What about the driver?
11:46<dondelelcaro>edbian: it's not unheard of for entire boxes of DVDs to be bad
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11:47<dondelelcaro>edbian: pretty difficult to fix that, but you can try a newer/older kernel
11:47<edbian>dondelelcaro: Well the first disc was fine. Perhaps it's the ISO ?
11:47<edbian>dondelelcaro: The first disc was a different eISO
11:47<dondelelcaro>edbian: that would give you a different error usually
11:47<edbian>I consistently get stuck at 3.4 % burned
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11:48<dondelelcaro>but it's possible
11:48<wintellect>edbian: if you have a spare DVD, you could always try to burn the first ISO again, if it works then you know the DVD burning software is ok
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11:48<edbian>wintellect: Yeah. Good idea.
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11:48<wintellect>edbian: have you also tried an MD5 checksum of the ISO?
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11:49<edbian>wintellect: I created the ISO. I can't checksum it against anything
11:50<wintellect>I thought it was one you downloaded. My bad
11:50<edbian>wintellect: no worries
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11:54<vizzord>Does anybody know how to create a .deb package for directory ? i need install some files to /usr/ directory but i want to do it through the package system
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11:55<thewanderer1>vizzord: yeah, use dpkg-deb for that (man dpkg-deb)
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11:55<thewanderer1>you *can* google it as well
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11:56<vizzord>thewanderer1: thank you
11:56<babilen>vizzord: And you are sure that you don't actually want to install them to /usr/local?
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11:58<vizzord>babilen: what the difference ?
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11:58<babilen>vizzord: "man hier" -- basically /usr/local is for locally installed software. What are you installing?
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11:59<vizzord>babilen: ah, i've compiled the parrot vm for my system, but it does not have "make install" rules, therefore i can't install it with checkinstall
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12:01<vizzord>babalu: actually i realy don't know where it must be installed, /usr/local/ or /usr/ , there is not specified in documentation
12:01<babilen>,versions parrot
12:01<judd>Package parrot on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.0-1; sid: 3.3.0-1; wheezy: 3.3.0-1
12:01<vizzord>but there is not difference between the /usr and /usr/local/ , technically ))
12:01<babilen>vizzord: Why don't you just install the Debian package? (i.e. "aptitude install parrot")
12:01<vizzord>i need the git version that i've checked out
12:02<vizzord>i mean from repository
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12:02<babilen>vizzord: somthing newer than 3.3.0 that is?
12:03<arand>vizzord: The easiest way to do it quickly, is to substitute the "make install" step with "checkinstall".
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12:04<vizzord>babilen: no there is not "install" rules in makefile. exactly it installs to the directory where it had been compiled
12:04<vizzord>sorry ))
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12:05<babilen>vizzord: No problem. I would just copy it to /usr/local/stow/parrot and run "stow parrot" -- See "/msg dpkg stow usage" for a small tutorial.
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12:06<babilen>vizzord: And you need something newer than 3.3.0? Has the version you need been released yet or are you after a very specific commit in the git repo thathas not yet made it into one?
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12:09<vizzord>babilen: in tutorial specified the commit with will work with examples. just for compatibility i'll use this version
12:10<vizzord>ok, it's not a problem, i'll remove it later, and it's a reason why i need .deb for it, for farther removing )
12:10<babilen>vizzord: Is it newer or older than the 3.3.0 (or 2.0.0) release?
12:10<babilen>vizzord: Just copy it to /usr/local/stow/parrot which you can remove easily later on. Do not mess with /usr/ (except for /usr/local) ..
12:11<babilen>vizzord: Do you actually have problems with the default parrot release on your Debian version?
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12:13<vizzord>babilen: "/parrot_install/bin$ ./parrot --version \n This is Parrot version 3.4.0-devel built for amd64-linux."
12:15<babilen>vizzord: I wouldn't recommend to develop against a version that you will find on no production machine. And 3.3.0 gives you errors? Aren't there other tutorials for the released versions?
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12:18<vizzord>babilen: hm, i don't know the difference between 3.3.0 and 3.4.0 but there said to install the parrot from a git repository.
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12:19<vizzord>i just want to try it. production is not my case
12:19<babilen>vizzord: Ok, install that to /usr/local (best handled with stow) or just develop against a supported version of parrot.
12:20<vizzord>babilen: ok, thank you
12:21<babilen>An official tutorial that targets an unreleased version is weird
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12:22<daemonkeeper>Parrot is weird by definition
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12:24<vizzord>daemonkeeper: interesting, why do you think so ?
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12:27<daemonkeeper>vizzord: Honestly I was trolling (a bit). I don't particularly like the idea of parrot as VM for perl.
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12:36<dudo>sono un novellino ma come si fa per scaricare i film?
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12:38<gnugr>!it dudo
12:38<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:40<babilen>dudo: Or speak English in here :)
12:40<dudo>grazie ma non so di che cacchio stai parlando dove come e quando grazie!!!!
12:40<babilen>prego, ciao!
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12:42<dudo>come si fa ad andare su #debian-it?
12:42<daemonkeeper>dudo: Sei falso qua. Questo canale e su Linux
12:42<daemonkeeper>dudo: Niente film qua
12:42<daemonkeeper>(FWIW: dudo was asking about XDCC channels ...)
12:43<daemonkeeper>And he said not /that/ nice things to you babilen :)
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12:43<candrea>dudo, scrivi "/join #debian-it" (senza virgolette)
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12:44<babilen>daemonkeeper: ugh, that is not nice indeed.
12:44<dudo>Ma che cosa vuol dire sei falso? questo canale e su linux?????????
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12:44<daemonkeeper>dudo: Vai via, non siamo interessati in xdcc qua, nemeno scariciamo film qua
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12:45<candrea>dudo, in questo canale si parla solo in inglese
12:45<daemonkeeper>This as well.
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12:47<dudo>Nice but i can't understand anything. someone can explain me how's work that bullshit?
12:48<babilen>dudo: Please take it somewhere else. This is an official Debian support channel and "non siamo interessati in xdcc qua, nemeno scariciamo film qua"
12:50<daemonkeeper>dudo: In questo canale a) si parla inglese b) non siamo interessati a scaricare film o in altre attività simile. Questo canale e su Linux (il sistema operativo) e nient'altro.
12:51<dudo>Ok Ok scusate per la domanda "ALTAMENTE ILLEGALE" è ovvio che nessuno in questa chat ha mai scaricato niente in vita sua.
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12:52<daemonkeeper>dudo: Vai su un altra rete. Questa e la ultima volte che te lo dico, e non continuo a parlare in italiano con te (last warning + no Italian anymore from my side)
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12:54<dudo>daemonkeeper excuse me now i know you are a fucking angel This is the last time that you say me???? I'M SCARED man
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12:55<daemonkeeper>!ops dudo doesn't find the exit
12:55<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: daemonkeeper complains about: dudo doesn't find the exit
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13:08<tehKitten>So, I'm now multiple days trying to get a Squeeze to act like a pxe server but it refuses to work right. Does anybody has an up-to-date quide?
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>tehKitten: The only way I've gotten pxe to work is with the ltsp packages.
13:10<jhutchins_lt>tehKitten: The documentation is inconsistent.
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13:12<tehKitten>jhutchins_lt: Thanks, I'll look into it
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13:46<timekiller>i have a problem installing kernel from backports in squeeze
13:47<timekiller>i paste it here it's not so long
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> hi
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> i got a problem
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 : Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-34squeeze1 is to be installed
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13:47<timekiller><timekiller> Recommends: firmware-linux-free (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-34squeeze1 is to be installed
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> E: Broken packages
13:47<timekiller><timekiller> any idea ?
13:47<timekiller>let me know if you got an idea
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13:48<timekiller>i need to trythis kernel coz the one in squeeze repositories sucks
13:48<babilen>timekiller: You want "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686" (or the same with apt-get)
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13:48<babilen>timekiller: And the kernel in squeeze definitely does not "suck"
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13:51<babilen>X2000: welcome
13:52<X2000>hey i have a question since i pretty new to linux which i begining to love
13:53<babilen>Just ask :)
13:53<babilen>X2000: Are you using Ubuntu or Debian?
13:54<X2000>i have a 64 bit system and what to use Virtualbox to run some other os for project
13:54<babilen>X2000: You want a different channel in that case either
13:54<dpkg>babilen: This is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://
13:54<X2000>i like xbuntu just bc its clean and low the resources
13:55<babilen>X2000: Or #xubuntu on -- this is the official Debian channel and we can not support Ubuntu in here. Good luck over there!
13:55<X2000>thanks take care then :)
13:55<babilen>X2000: You too! Enjoy your Linux experience. If you are ever interested in trying Debian come here and we can help you with that.
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14:15<relisal>Is it possible to create a supercomputer with clusters? I mena, if i want a headnod that runs vmware or something and takes resources from 2 nods on the network.. helping my virtual os:es to run smooth..
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14:18<daemonkeeper>There is no such thing like "resources" on the network. How do you imagine this to work? "Borrow me 10 CPU cycles" or what?
14:18<daemonkeeper>Of course there are clusters working in distributed architectures, indeed most super computers are.
14:19<daemonkeeper>But you should realize this is a complex topic
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14:20<ompaul>relisal: vmware ain't going to scale to super computer cluster power level
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14:21<ompaul>relisal: interesting to share out mutiple tasks, now most of the clever boxes use the video cards to throw out the hard questions to
14:21<thewanderer1>relisal: see Kerrighed. might work on Debian too...
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14:22<relisal>ompaul: so vmware won´t use the connected nods?
14:23<ballison>i have a question about running two mysql servers in master-master configuration. how do i know if it's working. i've done show slaves and i see they are running, but how can i check ? the bin logs? how do i know when the replication has fallen behind and how do i fix that?
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14:23<relisal>thewanderer1: checking it out
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14:25<timekiller>thx babilen and chealer
14:25<timekiller>gonna check this out
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14:25<timekiller>by suck, i mean "on my laptop"
14:25<ompaul>relisal: install debian on the bottom of a machine install kvm over it and get lots of kvm nodes on the same box to share a set of tasks for better performance but you really need to start looking at really specialised envionments
14:25<timekiller>it sucks for sure...
14:26<ompaul>relisal: it is not that it won't use them but if you want fast crunching you have to understand what you are doing - and vmware is not built for super computing that is all
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14:30<GCS>Hi! I'd like to login on a developer machine. Where can I find information about it?
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14:32<adb>for doing what there ?
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14:36<GCS>adb: Check for a FTBFS reason.
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14:39<GCS>jordanm: It's for Alioth only as I see. I talk about agricola.d.o .
14:39<relisal>ompaul: ok
14:40<jordanm>GCS: ehh, what is hosted there?
14:40<relisal>ompaul: <-- here is it doing what i want it to do..
14:41<jordanm>GCS: I see. I would check with the devel channel. are you a DD?
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14:41<GCS>jordanm: It's an ARM ported box. I'm a DD for some years now.
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14:42<ompaul>relisal: read this - it is not debian - it is not vmware and enjoy
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14:42<jordanm>GCS: check with #debian-devel or #alioth
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15:07<babilen>editor5897: Welcome
15:08<editor5897>what do u guys do in the linux chatroom I luv linux
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15:22<editor5897>sup linux lovers
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15:23<babilen>editor5897: This is an official support channel. We help users if they have problems with they Debian system. If you are looking for a social/chat channel, please go to #moocows or #debian-offtopic. :)
15:23<devil>editor5897: you might want to enter #debian-offtopic
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15:23<editor5897>thanks for the inof man ;
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16:02<And1>Hey folks. 'aptitude upgrade' posts a lot of such lines "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/for for module sg" while upgrading my linux-image... what's wrong here?
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16:05<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>.
16:06<daemonkeeper>If you meant "tg", you need to install firmware-linux-nonfree:
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16:14<kingsley>What's the easiest and least disruptive way to network a virtual machine to its host? Create a bridge with the same name as the replaced ethernet interface (eth0)?
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16:15<daemonkeeper>That's exactly what Xen does
16:16<Osiris_X>can ksm yield any benefit in a non-KVM environment?
16:16<daemonkeeper>I wouldn't call this "least disruptive" though.
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16:17<kingsley>daemonkeeper: That's interesting.
16:18<daemonkeeper>To be precise Xen supports three network modes by default, with the bridge one of them (and the primary)
16:18<kingsley>daemonkeeper: Perhaps a better question is... Is there a less disruptive way to network a virtual machine to its host than creating a bridge with the same name as the replaced ethernet interface (eth0)?
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16:20<kingsley>daemonkeeper: Please elaborate.
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16:28<daemonkeeper>kingsley: Sorry, I was busy in several channels at once. Xen (or any hypervisor in general) provides some sort of virtual interface you can route traffic to as for every IP traffic. Basically it works by announcing the virtual server IPs on the public interfaces (ARP proxying) and some IP magic
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16:32<nyov>daemonkeeper: hmm with arp proxying wouldn't you need a real IP on the external interface for every VM?
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16:34<nyov>then again you definitely would need that with the bridging approach earlier
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16:35<daemonkeeper>nyov: Yes, see how Xen does it
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16:37<nyov>daemonkeeper: just curious, because I do eth0 <-iptables-NAT-> br0-vethX
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16:38<nyov>or in case of IPv6, with neighbour proxying on eth0
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16:42<daemonkeeper>nyov: FWIW you don't need an external IP, but you need the host at least make it known somehow. For Xen its the virtual interface
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16:52<nyov>daemonkeeper: roger, checked your link and it's how I'm set up (except natting not arp proxying)
16:52<daemonkeeper>If you use NAT you don't need to route at all
16:52<daemonkeeper>Well, you do
16:52<daemonkeeper>But not that way
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16:53<nyov>true, i'm abusing iptables here for that
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17:36<brohelm>My printer worked under linux mint, but not debian. It just moves the paper through the machine but with no ink (even though it does have ink in it). What should I do? Any hints?
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17:37<devil>brohelm: did you set it up?
17:38<devil>brohelm: http://localhost:631
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17:38<kop>brohelm: Using cups? (http://localhost:631) You could see what the interface says. Also check out to see if you're using the right driver.
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17:38<kop>brohelm: The logs are also your friend.
17:39<brohelm>yeah I knew it had SOMETHING to do with "cups"... yeah it says cups on the localhost page
17:39<devil>brohelm: thats because its the cups setup :)
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17:39<brohelm>thank you both for guiding me.
17:39<dabir>how do i scan for wireless / wifi connections on my laptop?
17:39<michael_>how are u?
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17:40<devil>brohelm: if asked for pw, give it: root and root-pw
17:40<babilen>dabir: "iwlist INTERFACE scan" is a start, or you can use wicd/network-manager
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17:40<babilen>!tell dabir -about wireless
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17:46<dabir>ok i executed hwinfo, where do i find what i need to find to use wireless?
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17:49<dabir>that's what showed up
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17:52<dabir>can someon help me with wireless
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17:54<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38, enabled in Debian kernel images at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide.
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17:55<babilen>dabir: You'll have to install a newer kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) and install the firmware-realtek package from non-free (/msg dpkg realtek firmware -- /msg dpkg non-free)
17:55<babilen>dabir: Please also take a look at the wiki page referenced above
17:55<streuner_>dabir: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
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17:56<dabir>Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-34squeeze1) ( (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Wed May 18 23:13:22 UTC 2011
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17:59<lee-0>Hi, I´m getting a message "l2cap_recv_acldata: Unexpected continuation frame" when sending SMSs via bluetooth. Is that something I need to worry about? Google shows that this problem seems to exist for quite some time now.
17:59<babilen>dabir: Reboot after you've done that and ping me, or ask in here again.
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18:05<streuner_>dabir: if you dont find a backport just download this package and install it ->
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18:07<babilen>why? the kernel is in backports and dabir also needs a new linux-base
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18:07<babilen>!bdo kernel
18:07<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
18:07<babilen>dabir: That ^^^ is how to install the kernel
18:08<dabir>i opened up wicd and said no wireless networks found
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18:08<dabir>after unplugging ethernet cable also
18:08<streuner_>dabir: did you install a .38 kernel yet?
18:08<babilen>dabir: You installed firmware-realtek and rebooted into the new kernel?
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18:09<dabir>no i don't know why i need a new kernel.. i'm fairly new to debian so i think i'm up-to-date unless u can explain please ?
18:09<streuner_>we told you already
18:09<streuner_>your wireless nic in only supported by a newer kernel -> 2.6.38 ...
18:10<babilen>dabir: Your wireless card is not supported by the kernel version you have. The kernel is what handles the hardware drivers -- Read and follow to enable backports and run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686" (replace 686 with amd64 if you use that)
18:10<streuner_>"... vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38, enabled in Debian kernel images at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide."
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18:11<brohelm>!dpkg beer
18:11<dpkg>i heard beer is liquid gold mate
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18:13<babilen>dabir: Do you know what you have to do now?
18:13<dabir>i think so.. hang on
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18:15<babilen>sure :)
18:15*streuner_ look not confused at babilien :-)
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18:16<dabir>now i put 'aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-68' ?
18:17<dabir>i just edited sources.list to main backport
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18:17<retrospectacus>aptitude update, then install the bpo kernel
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18:17<babilen>wonderful, you ran "aptitude update" after you've edited it? Do you use i386 or amd64?
18:19<dabir>amd64 and yes i ran aptitude update
18:20<dabir>is it safe to put aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-68 now
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18:21<babilen>dabir: You want to replace "686" with "amd64" in that command
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18:21<babilen>dabir: I.e. run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64" (because you are using amd64 not i386)
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18:32<dabir>ok now what
18:32<dabir>wicd is still saying no wireless netorks found
18:32<streuner_>what does the kernel say about?
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18:33<streuner_>Did the kernel "saw" the nic now?
18:33<jhutchins_lt>dabir: Does it see your card?
18:33<brohelm>for the model, in adding a printer in cups, do I want hpijs or hpcups?
18:33<dabir>how do i check
18:34<streuner_>!install cups
18:34<dpkg>i guess cups setup is "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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18:34<ml|>dabir: did you install the firmware required? /msg dpkg rtl8192ce
18:35<dabir>yes installed firmware yes
18:35<dabir>i got everything i think
18:35<streuner_>brohelm: hpijs is for HP printers...
18:36<brohelm>and so is hpcups, right?
18:36<jhutchins_lt>dabir: Try iwlist wlan0 scanning
18:36<streuner_>Do you have a HP printer, its easy then?
18:36<jhutchins_lt>dabir: (You'll want to shut down wicd first).
18:36<jhutchins_lt>dabir: Also make sure network-manager isn't installed/running.
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18:36<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys hpcups
18:36<dpkg>Factoid search of 'hpcups' by key returned no results.
18:37<streuner_>dpkg, listvals hpcups
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18:37<dpkg>Factoid search of 'hpcups' by value returned no results.
18:37<jhutchins_lt>dabir: In my experience, network-manager works better with more cards than wicd.
18:37<dabir>bash: iwlist: command not found
18:38<streuner_>judd, file iwlist
18:38<judd>iwlist in squeeze/i386: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist
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18:38<streuner_>brohelm: what is hpcups?
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18:38<streuner_>dabir: aptitude install wireless-tools
18:38<dabir>i got wireless-toosl
18:39<jhutchins_lt>dabir: Try it as root.
18:39<dabir>ther we go
18:40<dabir>so how do i scan for wireless now and connect to one
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18:41<streuner_><babilen> dabir: "iwlist INTERFACE scan" is a start, or you can use wicd/network-manage
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18:42<dabir>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.
18:42<dabir>eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
18:42<dabir>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
18:42<dabir>pan0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
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18:43<babilen>jhutchins_lt, dabir: I am not entirely sure if the firmware-realtek package contains the firmware needed -- See the wiki and run "modprobe -r r8192_pci ; modprobe r8192_pci ; dmesg | tail -12" , "ifconfig -a" and "iwlist" and paste the output to (i'm more or less of, wanted to mention it) -- You probably also need "ifconfig wlan0 up" before you run "iwlist wlan0 scan" (try that first)
18:44<mjt>ifconfig wlan0 up. And the rest should go to some wifi support channel, i think...
18:44<streuner_>dabir_: well, in order to use iwlist you have to configure wlan first, how about to follow jhutchings_lt suggestion and use network-manager?
18:44<dabir_>my system had a kernel failure showing in top right error
18:46<dabir_>ok il just use wicd network manager
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18:46<dabir_>but it says no wireless networks found
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18:47<dabir_>???????? y cant i be so simple
18:47<jhutchins_lt>dabir_: Is this a virtual host running on vbox?
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18:48<jhutchins_lt>Howcome one of the networkcontrollers is vboxnet? Did I just get the wrong pastebin?
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18:48<dabir_>i have virtualbox ose installed
18:49<streuner_>jhutchins_lt: i saw the same...
18:49<dabir_>and configured internet inside of XP host
18:49<dabir_>maybe thats why, idk
18:49<dabir_>but linux debian is my main OS
18:49<babilen>dabir_: Please run the commands I gave you -- btw, the "iwlist" after "ifconfig -a" should have been "iwconfig"
18:49<jhutchins_lt>dabir_: Can you get the pciid of the card? lspci -nn, look for the eight digit ID of the card.
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18:50<babilen>dabir_: The problem is that your device is quite new and you therefore have to go through some hoops
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18:51<dabir_>my device??
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18:51<babilen>dabir_: the wireless adaptor
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18:52<babilen>,pciid 10ec:8176
18:52<judd>[10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also
18:52<babilen>jhutchins_lt: ^^^
18:52<babilen>dabir_: Can you confirm this? (run "lspci -nn|grep -i network")
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18:53<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38, enabled in Debian kernel images at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide.
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18:54<coffee>cant connect to windows network with debian.... help anyone?
18:54<dgr57hj>koito go guha si go guha...
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18:54<dabir_>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01)
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18:56<babilen>dabir_: And now please paste the output of the commands I gave you earlier. Ta!
18:56<coffee>is it ok for debian use ubuntu packages?
18:57<streuner_>dpkg, bobbitt
18:57<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
18:57<dabir_>k babilen posted
18:57<babilen>dabir_: Can you give me the URL?
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18:58<coffee>can't connect to any wireless.... care to help?
18:58<babilen>dabir_: Ah, found it. One second
18:59<jhutchins_lt>coffee: What chipset?
18:59<streuner_>coffee: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
19:00<coffee>version 2.6.32-5-amd64
19:00<babilen>dabir_: Ok, (multiple commands, each in "...") -- "modprobe -r rtl8192ce ; modprobe rtl8192ce ; dmesg | tail -10" + "ifconfig -a" + "iwconfig"
19:00<coffee>i got the driver working... but still nothing happen
19:00<dpkg>b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
19:01<coffee>i use the b43 lpphy one....
19:01<jhutchins_lt>coffee: Troubleshooting can be done with iwlist from the command line (as root) without wicd or network-manager running.
19:01<dabir_>under 'anonymous'
19:02<dgr57hj>kak e havata pi40ve?...
19:02<coffee>yeah..... read about it on forum....
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19:02<jhutchins_lt>Um. Line 11?
19:03<babilen>dabir_: Ok, now run "ifconfig wlan0 up" and "iwlist wlan0 scan"
19:03<retrospectacus>line 11 is very suspect
19:03<babilen>oh yeah!
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19:04<babilen>dabir_: Do you have a hardware wireless switch? If so, change it and run the first command again (the modprobe one)
19:04<babilen>(only if the iwlist scan fails)
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19:04<coffee>i able to scan and all that.....
19:05<coffee>but the problem come when try to connect to WEP secured network
19:05<jhutchins_lt>coffee: Using what to manage the connection?
19:05<coffee>used wicd to connect.... and it keep asking passwd although i gave one...
19:06<coffee>it work fine with windows....
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19:06<coffee>but not with debian....
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19:08<coffee>should i switch to knetworkmanager instead?
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19:08<streuner_>just use interfaces, if you have only one wireless connection
19:08<babilen>dabir_: hmm?
19:09<streuner_>coffee: besides <b43> should mention the stanza for interfaces...
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19:10<coffee>i don't think driver module is the problem.... i just can't connect to windows network....
19:10<streuner_>coffee: _and_ make sure every other daemon is disabled then (network-manager, wicd...)
19:11<coffee>did that.... wicd still ask for passwd....
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19:11<babilen>coffee: I thought you are connecting to a wireless network, not a windows one :-\ ?
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19:12<jhutchins_lt>coffee: I find that network-manager works better with more cards than wicd.
19:13<coffee>can i connect to windows network anyway?
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19:13<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys wireless
19:13<dpkg>Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15): wireless howto ;; _default wireless ;; wireless connection managers ;; wireless lan ;; wireless-tools ;; wireless tree ;; wireless help ;; whats my wireless ;; #debian wireless ;; wireless ;; wireless connection manager ;; compat-wireless ;; wireless-more ;; wireless-testing ;; what's my wireless.
19:13<streuner_>dpkg, wireless howto
19:13<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at . Additional resources and links to related information/websites is also available. See also and . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>.
19:13<jhutchins_lt>coffee: Yes, Can be a little tricky with w7.
19:14<jhutchins_lt>coffee: I use a Debian server as a domain controller/fileserver for an office network.
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19:14<babilen>coffee: What is a "windows network" ?
19:14<babilen>streuner_: "/msg dpkg listkeys wireless" ;)
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19:15<coffee>windows local wireless lan
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19:16<tharkun>Gentlemen good evening, i need the sha256 hash of a file, what program can i use to get it?
19:17<shiloh24>can anyone recommend a package for compiling?
19:17<babilen>tharkun: What about sha256sum ?
19:17<babilen>shiloh24: Install "built-essential"
19:17<retrospectacus>that's build-essential
19:17<babilen>haha, yes
19:18<shiloh24>cool, ill check em out, thanks :-)
19:18<streuner_>tharkun: apt-cache search sha256?
19:18<tharkun>babilen: hmm i meant the ssha256
19:18<streuner_>amset:/tmp# apt-cache search sha256
19:18<streuner_>gtkhash - GTK+ utility for computing checksums and more
19:19<streuner_>sound promising ;-)
19:19<babilen>tharkun: Yeah, what is wrong with running "sha256sum file" ?
19:19<tharkun>streuner_: :D i know little problem is there is no X
19:19<tharkun>babilen: ssha != sha256
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19:19<tharkun>now it is right. Today is typo day
19:20<coffee>what's the difference between NetworkManager and Wicd anyway?
19:20<babilen>ah, I thought that was a typo
19:20<tharkun>ssha256 = sha256 +salt
19:20<tharkun>therefore the extra s
19:20<tharkun>coffee: NetworManager is a completely different beast from Wicd although they both do the same stuff
19:21<tharkun>As a makefile with a little scripting would also do
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19:21<streuner_>tharkun: is that Dovecot related by any chance?
19:21<coffee>are you referring to the network-manager-kde package? or it is something else?
19:22<tharkun>streuner_: not directly but eventually it will also work for that
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19:23<dabir_>babilen u still there, sorry
19:24<dabir_>i ran those two cmds: ifconfig wlan0 up
19:24<dabir_>iwlist wlan0 scan
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19:24<dabir_>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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19:24<tharkun>dabir_: turn your wifi card on
19:24<retrospectacus>dabir_: like dmesg said (and we repeated several times) your physical switch is off
19:25<tharkun>usually there is a little swith on one of the sides of your computer
19:25<tharkun>or there is a fn key plus the little antena
19:25<tharkun>dabir_: don't do that again please
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19:25<babilen>dabir_: so, you do have a hardware switch, eh?
19:26<babilen>dabir_: And yes, please don't do that again. thank you
19:26<tharkun>Gentlemen there used to be a program that gave md5 sha256 and sha512 hashes, does anyone remember its name?
19:27<retrospectacus>md5sum, sha256sum, ...
19:27<tharkun>all in one pass?
19:27<babilen>retrospectacus: he does not want sha256sum
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19:27<tharkun>sorry gentlemen it is part of a bigger project
19:28<tharkun>babilen: i am to error prome today to script my way through. I remember there is a program that does it. No use reinventing the wheelñ Specially today
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19:31<babilen>tharkun: I would just use Python's hashlib.sha256("foo").hexdigest() ... but meh
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19:32<babilen>but that is probably still not what you want :-\
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19:38<tharkun>babilen: thanks i'll take a look at it. Although the bash part is gpg. Among other niceties it does the sha256 and sha512 algos?
19:39<tharkun>babilen: Just don't make a big fuss out of it. I know only one thing about python. It's logo is a little snake :)
19:40<tharkun>Got to go now. I'll be back in about 2 hours see you then
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19:41<babilen>tharkun: and yes, hashlib implements sha512 too
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19:43<tharkun>babilen: Please pm a GOOD primer for python it seems it is worth the try once again
19:44<babilen>tharkun: fwiw -- the result is the same as sha256sum, but + is what I'm talking about
19:45<babilen>tharkun: I can also recommend:
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19:59<daemonkeeper>I can nothing but blindly recommend "Learning Python" from O'Reilly (the usual suspect)
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20:06<nyov>is it possible to have apt automatically not cache downloaded packages?
20:07<diederik>nyov: no (afaik), but with aptitude autoclean/clean you can clean up the cache
20:08<diederik>autoclean -> non references pkgs, clean -> all pkgs
20:09<dondelelcaro>nyov: it has to cache them at least temporarily, you can set AutocleanInterval or similar if you want
20:10<dondelelcaro>nyov: see /etc/cron.daily/apt
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20:11<nyov>diederik: i know, it's what i would like to avoid doing on several VMs
20:12<diederik>maybe you can let apt clean it up afterwards automatically. How, I do not know, probably apt preferences
20:12<nyov>dondelelcaro: that looks good. now I only need to script this from the host, since the LXC containers are missing Cron
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20:12<nyov>diederik: that's what I was hoping actually
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20:16<diederik>a quick google search didn't reveal sth to work with. Maybe someone else knows?
20:17<diederik>Is there a location where the various APT:: key-value pairs are listed/explained?
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20:19<nyov>diederik: what I found is, dselect would do it automatically after each run, but that's about it - well except for a puppet module. but puppet, meh
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20:24<diederik>nyov: if you use dselect, you can use it, but I have no experience with it. If it can't be done with some apt/dpkg preference, I'd go for scripting
20:25<nyov>diederik: I'll certainly not revive dselect :D
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20:28<diederik>I don't know anything about LXC containers, but if you can install packages, can't you install the cron package?
20:28<cthuluh>diederik: seems like you're looking for man apt.conf
20:29<cthuluh>(about "02:17 < diederik> Is there a location where the various APT:: key-value pairs are listed/explained?")
20:29<nyov>diederik: no problem, but a cron on each of them would just waste ressources
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20:30<diederik>cthuluh: does indeed seem like what I was looking for, thanks :)
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20:31<diederik>nyov: I haven't measured it, but I doubt cron uses a lot of resources, but I don't know your constraints
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20:32<cthuluh>cron uses forks and exec. they can be wasteful if numerous
20:32<diederik>nyov: apparently there is a apt-preference Clean-Installed, but it functions as autoclean, not clean
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20:33<diederik>but it defaults to on, so unless you turned it off, it apparently already does that
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20:33<nyov>yeah, and the cache clean is only for dselect
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20:35<nyov>so actually that's a nice followup question, what is your favourite SCM/configuration management software if you use one? (puppet, cfengine2/3, dpsyco, ...)
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20:37<nyov>puppet always gave me ruby problems, dpsyco is nicely working with debians package management but seems limited, and cfengine is intense learning IMHO
20:37<dabir>how do i go back to last kernel i had?
20:37<dabir>this one is still in testing and has given me problems
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20:38<dabir>and multiple errors
20:38<soloflyer>dabir: you should still have the old kernel installed... unless you uninstalled it... just select it on boot up
20:38<diederik>dabir: if you still have it installed, reboot and select that kernel?
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20:38<falala>Hi, i installed debian off of a debian live image, and now I am wondering if I can remove the live-boot and the live-config packages
20:39<diederik>falala: yes you can, you don't need them in a normal system
20:39<dabir>oh, ok tha should work. so how do i uninstall the one that installed from that selection?
20:39<dabir>or remove it
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20:39<soloflyer>dabir: although chances are its not the kernel that is having the problems but rather some mismatched userspace stuff or missing kernel modules
20:40<soloflyer>nyov: what ruby problems were you having? was that with puppetd?
20:41<diederik>dabir: you installed it with "apt-get install" or "aptitude install", how about switching install with uninstall or purge
20:41<diederik>or didn't I understand your question correctly? (it seems so basic to me)
20:42<falala>diederik, i notice they load live-boot and live-config at startup even after i installed, which posed the question why
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20:43<nyov>soloflyer: it's been a year or something, i believe it was some packaging problem, aside from puppet having code issues apparently
20:43<diederik>I know you don't need them in a normal system, but for a definitive answer, you should ask on #debian-live
20:43<diederik>afaik all the live developers are there
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20:44<soloflyer>falala: i believe they stick around because its safer to leave them that to remove the and find that they WERE required... but that would only be the case if you were installing to something that was thing going to ack as a live system again
20:44<nyov>soloflyer: all in all it was too unstable and hard in fixing for a non-ruby guy, so I dropped it
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20:46<soloflyer>nyov: ive been looking at using ruby with local configs managed by git
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20:47<soloflyer>nyov: although i hadnt heard of dpsyco... and im wondering if that would suit me
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20:47<falala>I am having trouble with stunnel - seems to be loading before networking loads - and wondering if that is because i am using the network-manager instead of doing it manually
20:48<soloflyer>falala: i would say that sounds like a reasonable explanation
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20:49<falala>it looks that way in my logs, but networking should be loading at S16 and Stunnel at S21
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20:50<diederik>is stunnel a daemon, started through /etc/init.d/ ?
20:50<diederik>if so, you should be able to add a dependency to stunnel for networking
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20:52<soloflyer>falala: are you using a wireless or wired network?
20:52<diederik>then again, it should already do that. If not, it looks like a bug (but I'm not familiar with stunnel)
20:52<falala>its wired
20:53<falala>i use stunnel to ssl into my newsgroup provider, it works if i manually /etc/init.d/stunnel restart it
20:54<soloflyer>falala: i would suggest using /etc/network/interfaces to manage you wired ethernet
20:54<falala>i bet that is what is going on then
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20:55<soloflyer>falala: i dont use networkmanger except for on basic desktop installs...
20:56<nyov>soloflyer: there are a lot more such tools, small, and mostly ruby out there already - but I'd rather just stay away from ruby
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20:56<nyov>soloflyer: if you just want to manage local configs, maybe etckeeper is for you
20:56<soloflyer>falala: and i suspect that it might be because the network-manager daemon comes up too late for stunnel... this might be a bug with network-manager or with stunnel i stunnel
20:58<falala>yea, i notice that minidlna, my upnp dlna server is not connecting unless i manually connect it either.
20:59<diederik>looking at stunnel's init script, I'd say sth is missing from the header
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21:00<diederik>spamassassin has $network in it's Should-Start section, stunnel does not
21:01<soloflyer>nyov: ill have to look in to that... thanks :)
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21:05<diederik>carlos: if you have a question, just ask
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21:06<carlos>I not speek inglish
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21:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:04<college>How to install flash on Xbuntu
23:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:04<Hydroxide>college: see ^^^
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23:10<kevke_buntu>Okay I am on ubuntu now, I think I died yesterday night, I just don't know it yet. How should I go from here
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23:14<falala>soloflyer, that seemed to fix that - as far as network/interfaces is concerned, and starting stunnel... everything working as it should now.
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23:14<kevke_buntu>I think I am in troubble, fsck fried my server. With var, almost eversything is gone. Could anyone be so kind and help me with this one?
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23:15<sney>fsck can't fry anything unless it's close to dead already
23:15<virusuy>hi all
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23:15<sney>hi virusuy
23:15<virusuy>you realize how powerfull and easy is debian when you install and configure nagios in less than 30 minutes
23:15<nyov>kevke_buntu: first of all, boot a rescue system on the raid machine, that doesn't use your raid root partition
23:15<virusuy>happy debian user over here :-D
23:16<kevke_buntu>that is done
23:17<nyov>kevke_buntu: ok, then you somehow want to get that data imaged over the network to you. you have a big pipe i hope?
23:17<nyov>at home or the office, that is
23:17<kevke_buntu>35Mbit tops
23:18<kevke_buntu>I think 7 up, give or take
23:19<nyov>ok, I gotta go soonish, but you need something like netcat or just maybe ssh, and pipe dd_rescue or whatever through that to your local disk
23:20<nyov>maybe someone can come up with a command for you
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23:21<nyov>then run your rescue tools on that image, or mount it through a loopback device locally if needed
23:22<kevke_buntu>how do I get the immage from there to here
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23:31<nyov>kevke_buntu: you have netcat on both systems?
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23:32<kevke_buntu>netcat, dunno on this one, but the other system has
23:33<kevke_buntu>both have netcat
23:33<nyov>on your machine, run something like this: nc –l –p 7000 | dd of=/dev/hda -- where p is the port number and of= the device where you want your image to be safed
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23:34<ccarrasquero>alguien que me ayude a desintalar de forma manual el turpial porque no se instalo bien
23:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:35<nyov>on the rescue disk, run: dd if=/dev/hda | nc 7000 –q 10 -- where if= is your md device, the IP is YOUR home IP and hopefully has no NAT
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23:36<nyov>this was shamelessly stolen from - if you need more info go there.
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23:38<nyov>right, almost missed it. don't dd of=/dev/hda ! put a filename ther or you waste another disk
23:39<kevke_buntu>how should this filename be deigned, is there any convention, or can it be anything
23:42<nyov>just put in of=/path/to/your/nas/recue-image.img
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23:43<nyov>*rescue, well whatever you fancy. but not your blockdevice
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23:53<Wyzard>kevke_buntu: If you're doing your transfer over the Internet, remember that netcat does not encrypt
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23:57<kevke_buntu>Okay, I am a biut reliefed now... all is found in lost&found, well I can't be certain, but from the looks of it, I'd make an educated guess, that it is
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23:59<chl501>anyone has seen linux powered water plant machine? : p
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