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00:06<codingenesis>how to mount hard drives automatically at system start up!
00:08<sney>put them in /etc/fstab
00:08<codingenesis>what to put in ??
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00:08<sney>read the manual. and there are examples all over the internet.
00:09<codingenesis>i just want to know command line to do that thing
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00:09<sney>/etc/fstab is a text document. you open it in a text editor as root, and add 1 line for each disk.
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00:10<sney>or partition, or loopback device, or whatever.
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00:10<sney>read 'man 5 fstab' for all the details.
00:11<codingenesis>ok thanks sney !!!
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00:13<chichimeka>Hi i have a fresh install with squezee but i have no sound could you help me
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00:25<Nemoder_>chichimeka: 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
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00:36<chichimeka>Nemoder: Thank you 1: no alsaconf in squeeze 2: i am in the audio group, 3: alsa mixer doesn't open with "bad-argument" ,,, and the kernel module is loaded,,,,,, aplay aparently works but the control volume says "no devices found"
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00:40<Nemoder_>chichimeka: what chipset is it? try hwinfo --sound
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00:42<chichimeka>Nemoder: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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00:45<Nemoder_>chichimeka: pastebin your output from: lsmod | grep snd
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00:53<Nemoder_>chichimeka: looks like the right drivers loaded, any audio related errors in dmesg?
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00:55<chichimeka>no errors,, everything seems ok, but the alsamixer and the control volume doesn't work
00:56<riley>hey- is it possible to have passwordless loging without a key?
00:56<riley>like say i have a computer on a private network
00:56<riley>and i want anyone to be able to ssh testuser@testbox with no password
00:56<riley>with no rsa-key
00:56<riley>is that possible?
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00:57<jm_>riley: yes
00:57<jm_>but think twice about it
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00:58<Nemoder_>chichimeka: i'm out of ideas.. I gave up on alsa and switched to oss4 for my machine
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00:58<riley>jm_ why?
00:58<jm_>riley: isn't it obvious?
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00:58<riley>yes- but right now we the username as the password
00:58<riley>so there is no point to the password
00:59<riley>jm_ yah- but how do you do it?
00:59<jm_>riley: don't specify a password for the user
00:59<riley>right now it has a password
01:00<riley>whois jm_
01:00<chichimeka>Nemoder: thanks
01:01<jm_>riley: press enter at password prompt
01:01<riley>New UNIX password:
01:01<riley>BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short
01:01<riley>Retype new UNIX password:
01:01<riley>No password supplied
01:01<riley>No password supplied
01:01<riley>No password supplied
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01:01<riley>it says "BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short"
01:02<stderr_dk>It also says "retype".
01:02<riley>passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
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01:03<jm_>probably your PAM config needs changing
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01:04<riley>how do i do that?
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01:04<stderr_dk>Maybe just remove the password from /etc/passwd?
01:04<riley>are you sure that is going to work?
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01:05<jm_>that will work yes but needs care
01:05<jm_>(shadow file)
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01:06<riley>etc/passwd or etc/shadow?
01:07<stderr_dk>Probably shadow, but since you want a empty password, you might be silly enough to not to shadow on either...
01:08<stderr_dk>... to not turn shadow on ...
01:08<riley>well, this is for the user 'source'
01:08<riley>every time we commit to bazaar
01:08<riley>we gotta type the passwd
01:08<riley>which is the same for everyone
01:08<riley>my boss just wants me to make it passwordless
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01:10<riley>any ideas?
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01:10<jm_>do what we told you to do
01:10<riley>which is...
01:11<th>a bit of memory for scrollback buffer is cheap nowadays
01:11<jm_>and don't forget to enable PermitEmptyPasswords in sshd_config
01:12<scinl>I am running Debian Wheezy. I installed fgetty but I get the same error I had 2-4 months ago (when I assumed fgetty was broken) where I try to log in after rebooting and I get, after entering the password, "checkpassword: wrong password"
01:12<stderr_dk>riley: BTW: Why not use ssh keys with an empty password?
01:13<scinl>I've installed fgetty on over 20 machines in the past 3 years and can't figure out what the issue could be..
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01:13<scinl>..has anybody had the same/similar issue?
01:13<riley>stderr_dk, then everyone has to get the key
01:13<jm_>another thing - if your PAM config for SSH enables "nullok_secure" it's not going to work
01:13<riley>we are so upside down that that will not be feasable
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01:13<stderr_dk>riley: No... Everyone has to make their own and ssh-copy-id it...
01:14<scinl>Has this been broken for a while?
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01:14<riley>stderr_dk, yah- exactly. the people i work with cant figure out keys
01:14<jm_>scinl: did you check BTS?
01:15<stderr_dk>riley: They can't copy/paste two lines?
01:15<th>could be this one
01:15<riley>stderr_dk, you don't know the horror
01:15<jm_>and you trust them to commit to you rrepository?
01:15<riley>can you guys feel my pain?
01:16<jm_>wait, fgetty doesn't use PAM?
01:16<th>direct to shadow..
01:17<scinl>version: 0.6-5 severity: important fgetty doesn't support the sha512 algorithm
01:17<scinl>that is used as default in debian squeeze for shadow passwords. authentications
01:17<jm_>looks like it doesn't use PAM so no wonder
01:17<jm_>but changing password type shall help then
01:17<scinl>So this is the same as it was in Jan when I tried it then
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01:18<scinl>Okay, no hurry, even though I need it, I really do respect Debian and all the work ya'll do on it. I'm not going to bitch about it not getting fixed, not for one hot second.
01:18<valdyn>riley: run passwd as root to change a users password
01:18<riley>yah- passwd wont let me do a blank passwd
01:18<valdyn>riley: yes it lets you
01:18<scinl>So good thing I didn't reboot my desktop here after editing /etc/inittab... but now that I can't log into my laptop... how should I?
01:19<scinl>got it
01:19<riley>valdyn: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
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01:19<scinl>Having "Recovery Mode" as a boot option in GRUB, that's got to be a security risk, right?
01:20<jm_>scinl: you can disable it if you want
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01:20<jm_>but recovery mode asks for a password on regular install, no idea how it behaves with fgetty
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01:21<scinl>Ya'll're helpful as always. I wish I knew 1/2 the things you knew about Debian. If you know this much about Debian I can't imagine how much you know about everything else in life. Astounding. Keep it up
01:21<Yossarian>hi guys, i have a problem: i booted up my pc this morning, saw 39 updates available so i ran update manager. then it crashes and i have to kill the process manually because it's using 100% cpu. it does this each time i start it
01:23<Nemoder_>Yossarian: what version of debian are you using?
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01:23<th>talking about recovery mode, recent grub-pc package changed the variable name from GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX__RECOVERY to GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY
01:24<scinl>th: I guess that makes sense.
01:24<amakusa>hello, anyone know how can I enter uncommon characters, like when you enter alt+64 in windows to use "@", I can't find a practical way to do this in debian
01:25<riley>hey- when i try to edit etc/shadow as root- it says readonly
01:25<th>of course, it's a good change. but i choose to keep the old config and starts wondering why the recovery mode suddenly appear
01:25<th>till i carefully read the diff
01:25<th>amakusa, where do you want to type the char?
01:26<stderr_dk>riley: Sounds like you're not root then.
01:26<amakusa>th: anywhere I need to
01:26<Yossarian>Nemoder_, i'm running squeeze and i've kept it up to date until now
01:26<riley>i see a pound sign
01:26<Nemoder_>Yossarian: you might look over the bug reports or file a new one. you might be able to get around the problem by updating with aptitude instead
01:26<miggs>hello. is it safe to use "--no-install-recommends" option when running apt-get
01:27<miggs>it was a question
01:27<stderr_dk>miggs: I "sort of" do that...
01:27<riley>no- i am root
01:27<Yossarian>Nemoder_, can you help me with that please?
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01:27<riley>but i cant modify etc/shadow
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01:27<th>hmmmm, i don't think there is a single "one true way" of doing that in every possible text input
01:28<miggs>stderr_dk: sort of?
01:28<th>perhaps /etc/shadow in that system is immutable
01:28<th>to check: lsattr /etc/shadow
01:28<Nemoder_>Yossarian: just open a terminal and type aptitude, hit 'u' for update and 'g' to install them
01:28<stderr_dk>miggs: echo 'Apt::Install-Recommends "false";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/42-no-recommends is one of the first thing I do after install.
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01:28<riley>------------- /etc/shadow
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01:28<th>miggs, it's safe
01:28<riley>that's what it returns
01:29<miggs>ok. what about suggestet packages?
01:29<th>miggs, it's safe too
01:29<miggs>yes, but are those installed automatically
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01:31<riley>th- so if /etc/shadow is immutable, how do make it mutable
01:31<th>umm, /etc is on ro mount ?
01:31<Yossarian>Nemoder_, uh, i don't think i'm doing this right :-S
01:31<th>riley, not, based on the lsattr result, it's not immutable
01:31<stderr_dk>miggs: Not as far as I can tell.
01:31<miggs>ok. thanks.
01:32<th>miggs, yes, they are installed automatically by default because it is "recommended" to install those packages too
01:32<th>but if you don't install them, it's okay
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01:32<miggs>but there is no option for apt-get not to install those
01:33<stderr_dk>th: Are you talking about "recommends" or "suggests"?
01:33<miggs>i'm talking about suffested
01:34<miggs>th says suggested are installed automatically
01:34<th>no, no
01:34<SorryGuest>I'm trying to run live-helper offline. Because debootstrap doesn't use my apt source.list, I need to get an offline repository, and on a web server because debootstrap doesn't accept file://. So I linked my debian installation DVD to /var/www, but it doesn't have all the packages I need. What can I do?
01:34<th>i thought you are talking about recommended
01:34<SorryGuest>(sorry for the long description)
01:34<th>suggested are not automatically installed
01:34<Yossarian>Nemoder_, if i run aptitude as root and press u then g, i only get press return to continue in terminal
01:35<Yossarian>but i see upgradable packages: 39
01:35<stderr_dk>Speaking of "suggests"... I have never seen anything suggested when I install packages. Where are they suggested?
01:35<Nemoder_>hm try U (shift-u) to mark them for upgrade
01:35<Nemoder_>then g
01:36<SorryGuest>stderr_dk I get them all the time.. when you apt-get things, there's a section for suggested packages...
01:36<Yossarian>downloading :)
01:36<th>stderr_dk, you can see them in aptitude
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01:36<Yossarian>ok that did it, thank you mate!
01:37<stderr_dk>They only show if you run apt-get/aptitude without any options and use the text interface?
01:37<Nemoder_>Yossarian: hopefully that fixes the stall in update-manager, i guess you'll know on the next update
01:37<SorryGuest>maybe, but I doubt it
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01:38<Yossarian>Nemoder_, i guess so, and if not, i know how to use aptitude now :D
01:38<stderr_dk>I'm just used to doing aptitude install whatever and I have never seen anything suggested.
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01:38<SorryGuest>try installing "egg", there's a ton of suggested packages (say cpp-doc)
01:38<Yossarian>Nemoder_, any documentation you might be able to recommend to get me started?
01:38<SorryGuest>(it should show them _before_ it prompts you to yes/no)
01:38<th>stderr_dk, you won't see it if you do it that way
01:39<Nemoder_>Yossarian: for aptitude? it's not too complicated to use the interface, the mouse even brings up menus in X. check the manpage for more options though
01:39<stderr_dk>th: Ah, good... Not going blind then...
01:39<Yossarian>Nemoder_, for debian in general :D
01:40<Nemoder_>Yossarian: i guess that depends on what you want to do with it, but there are some starter guides:
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01:41<Yossarian>great, thanks again :) reboot
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01:42<th>ah... SorryGuest is right
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01:43<SorryGuest>anyways.. you think you can help me with my problem?
01:43<stderr_dk>SorryGuest: I don't see it... I get "The following NEW packages will be installed:" and "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:", but nothing about suggested packages.
01:44<SorryGuest>stderr_dk: maybe it appeared earlier? try piping it to "more"
01:44<stderr_dk>apt-cacher - Caching proxy for Debian package and source files
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01:45<stderr_dk>Or something like that?
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01:45<stderr_dk>SorryGuest: "NEW packages" is the first line of the output.
01:46<Nemoder_>SorryGuest: can you just link /var/cache/apt/archives/ to a full install?
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01:53<SorryGuest>checking apt-cacher
01:53<th>SorryGuest, what about ?
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01:53<KerrMD>hey all
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01:55<stderr_dk>SorryGuest: Maybe it's because I have "no recommends".
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01:56<KerrMD>I am attempting to do a ./configure with wine 1.3.16 on squeeze and get a "checking whether gcc -m32 works... no
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01:56<KerrMD>says something about needing 32bit dev libraries. A google search has garnered nothing
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02:00<Nemoder_>KerrMD: perhaps you need libc6-dev-i386
02:00<KerrMD>will try that
02:00<SorryGuest_>sorry disconnected..
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02:00<SorryGuest_>th: I have the installation DVDs.. why can't I juse use them? -_-
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02:01<KerrMD>Nemoder_: where did you catch the libc6 reference?
02:01<KerrMD>dang... got itt again on freetype....
02:02<Nemoder_>just a guess. m32 is for 32bit machines, if it fails there then likely you are on a 64bit machine without the 32bit support libs
02:02<KerrMD>ah, experience then
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02:04<th>well, as you said before: it doesn't have all the packages I need
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02:04<th>you can use the files on DVD as a base and add more packages then recreate the various Release, Packages, etc. file
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02:07<th>SorryGuest, perhaps this can help you:
02:07<SorryGuest>but I have all the 8 dvds.. it's really annoying I can only use the first this way
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02:09<th>yes, it's annoying. you can start copying *debs from those dvds and regenerate the repository metadata with dpkg-scanpackages
02:10<jm_>you can add extra DVD-s using apt-cdrom add
02:10<SorryGuest>jm_: yea, but debootstrap doesn't use the sources.list file..
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02:11<SorryGuest>reading about repositories
02:11<sosaited>When will the newly patched Adobe Flash version be available in Debian Update?
02:11<jm_>SorryGuest: no, only apt does
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02:15<KerrMD>Nemoder_: I hate to be a bother again but now I get something about checking for -lfreetype... not found
02:16<Nemoder_>KerrMD: you are likely missing the freetype dev package
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02:17<amphi_>KerrMD: 'apt-get build-dep wine' should grab most if not all of what you need to build it
02:17<KerrMD>tried that earlier but will try it again
02:18<KerrMD>unable to get source package for wine
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02:20<KerrMD>as for libfreetyoe6-dev it says I am up to date
02:23<th>sosaited, depends on the package maintainer. you can submit a bug report
02:23<th>KerrMD, are you using amd64?
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02:23<BurtleTurtle>Hello everyone.
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02:24<KerrMD>heya BurtleTurtle
02:25<th>KerrMD, what about installing ia32-libs-dev ?
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02:26<KerrMD>hmm I thought I had when I installed my ati drivers..
02:27<KerrMD>but no dice
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02:31<th>KerrMD, have you tried this doc ?
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02:32<KerrMD>I looked through that. I got through it by doing it without freetype. Everything else I tried did nothing but aggrevate
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02:33<KerrMD>Hmm, I may read that closer. Thanks
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02:42<Obligatory>Hullo again...
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02:44<ompaul>gnugr: they are being secretive about the spelling of hello ;-)
02:44<mdupont>anyone got the ati prop drivers running on sid?
02:44<gnugr>ompaul: wheres dpkg?
02:44<Obligatory>gnugr, yah. I've been logging in to Freenode #debian, and it got changed to OFTC. Ghost town at Freenode...
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02:45<ompaul>freenode has 996 in it
02:45<ompaul>gnugr: no idea
02:45<Obligatory>Ahem, 'maxemumtvguide', or 'mtvg', a tvguide listing proggie; not awful, but showing it's age. Alternative suggestions?
02:46<Obligatory>Also, 'mtvg' seems to be abandonware, nothing new since 2007.
02:46<gnugr>hwat is the question?
02:47<Obligatory>Whatsa good tvguide for debian?
02:47<ompaul>Obligatory: this might help you - popcon is the right way to find out what is popular apt-cache search tv | grep guide
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02:51<Obligatory>ompaul, you don't have any personal preferences as to tvguide proggies I infer. The search thing only turns up 'freeguide' which I've used and is this hulking Java monster, doesn't work that well. Popcon doesn't offer alternatives does it?
02:52<ompaul>go search it for possible results
02:52<Obligatory>s/Java/Jave based/
02:52<ompaul>it won't point to outside sources
02:52<ompaul>and now I have to disappear someone wants to pay me if I turn up
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02:53<Obligatory>Well, he tried. Popcon's no help here alas.
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02:54<Obligatory>Should have added I'm looking for a standalone tvguide, not something bundled into a media manager tivo-ey type clone.
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03:05<gnugr>Obligatory: check this it might help you " "
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03:23<Obligatory>gnugr, beg pardon, but did my last few lines (the last one had a URL) get posted to IRC here? My modem dialup got disconneced, but 'xchat' didn't seem to notice...
03:25<gnugr>Obligatory: check in synaptic for xmltv, mythtv
03:26<Obligatory>gnugr, did my last few lines get through?
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03:28<amitz>what's the keyword to google if i want to set up squeeze to automatically dial out when plugged?
03:29<amitz>observing /proc? or maybe a neater way?
03:30<jm_>plugged where?
03:30<Obligatory>amitz, dial out as in modem dialup?
03:30<amitz>yes, plugged to my usb port.
03:31<amitz>modem dialup
03:31<Obligatory>So you have a USB modem, which you want to login somewhere when you plug it in. Is that correct?
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03:32<mtempest>Hi folks. I've just moved from ubuntu to squeeze. Googling solved most issues but this one has me stumped. /dev/fuse permissions are crw------- but I think they should be crw-rw----
03:32<mtempest>What is the right way to fix those permissions?
03:32<amitz>yes. the login part is already dealt wit wvdial. basically, i want the wvdial to be called automatically.
03:33<jm_>udev rules can be used to trigger an action when USB devices are plugged in
03:34<amitz>nice, thanks.
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03:36<Obligatory>mtempest, if the change is a one shot deal, see 'man chmod'; if you're lazy like me, do 'mc /dev/' select 'fuse', and do 'Ctrl-x c' for chmod options.
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03:37<mtempest>I know I could chmod it, but that seems like a hack :)
03:37<mtempest>I could also add a chmod to /etc/rc.local, and that also seems like a hack
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03:39<Obligatory>mtempest, not a one-shot gotcha. If it's any help, on my system 'ls -l /dev/fuse' shows: "crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Jun 13 00:38 /dev/fuse"
03:40<jm_>mtempest: are you using fusermount?
03:40<th>mine is crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Jun 16 01:10 /dev/fuse
03:41<mtempest>jm_: I'm not sure. I'm using gphotofs, but I don't know what it uses.
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03:42<scinl>I'm ditching wine and going with virtualbox. Any SNAFUs I should be aware of that currently exist for virtualbox in Wheezy?
03:42<scinl>Is it comparatively fast?
03:42<Obligatory>mtempest, that 'ls -l' implies that your system might have some config glitch, in which case it's either some user system issue, or maybe a bug in some config script. If it's just a user system issue, a hack might be a good diagnostic -- e.g. try it, and see if it survives a reboot.
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03:44<mtempest>Obligatory, I'll try that.
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03:45<jm_>mtempest: do you have fuse-utils installed?
03:45<jm_>bah too late
03:45<BurtleTurtle>jm_: how goes it sir
03:45<jm_>scinl: works fine here
03:45<Obligatory>gnugr seems to be away, sigh...
03:48<Obligatory>Different take on prior question: Does anyone now on IRC use a standalone tvguide program (for US listings) under debian?
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03:52<classical>hello guys
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03:53<classical>does anybody know how to display size in mb using Midnight Commander
03:53<Obligatory>classical, size of what?
03:54<classical>sizes in human readable format
03:54<classical>like du -sh
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03:54<jm_>classical: it does that if size is bigger than 1M
03:55<jm_>uhm not 1M but 1G
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03:55<Obligatory>classical, 'F9'>Listing mode...>Full file list>OK
03:56<classical>Obligatory, it is marked already
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03:56<classical>i mean
03:57<classical>it does not displays
03:57<classical>the size of folders with files inside them
03:57<Obligatory>classical, just to make sure, exactly which Listing mode is marked?
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03:57<classical>Obligatory, only full file list is marked
03:58<Obligatory>classical, ah you want _folder_ sizes then...
03:58<jm_>classical: press ctrl-space to get dir size
03:58<classical>jm_, wow nice thanks
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03:59<classical>it displays in kb it would be nice if it was in human readable format
03:59<classical>but its ok
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04:00<mtempest>Obligatory, chmod'ing /dev/fuse did survive a reboot.
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04:00<mtempest>Thank you - I thought it wouldn't
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04:00<jm_>it uses the same format as for file size - it's in kb until it reaches 1G, after that it's in M
04:01<Bystander>mtempest, how'd the /dev/fuse reboot go?
04:01<th>i thought /dev/fuse is created by udev on boot
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04:02<th>/lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:KERNEL=="fuse", MODE="0666", OPTIONS+="static_node=fuse"
04:02<mtempest>After reboot, /dev/fuse is crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Jun 16 09:58 /dev/fuse
04:02<Bystander>Argh, I'm still logged as Obligatory, new name, one sec...
04:03<jm_>courtesy of the above
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04:03<mtempest>th - thanks for pointing me to where to find the rule. I was looking in /etc/udev. No wonder I didn't find it.
04:03<classical>i have installed flac package (Free Lossless Audio Codec) but i cant play flac files totem it says that: Could not determine type of stream.
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04:03<th>you need gstreamer plugin
04:03<classical>do i need to install some more Codec ?
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04:04<Bystander>Still 'Bystander'. Doesn't matter. mtempest so that's good, no?
04:05<kornerr>i want to move to debian sid from slackware to ease my development with the latest tools
04:05<th>mtempest, :)
04:05<classical>th it is installed already
04:05<th>try file filename.flac
04:06<th>in terminal
04:06<kornerr>how do i make it into sid after i intall debian dvd?
04:06<jm_>kornerr: read the topic to find out where to ask sid related questions
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04:08<classical>th ups i cant play mp3 files even
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04:08<th>now, it's getting weird
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04:09<Obligatory>Ah, that's better.
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04:11<classical>th it seems that thus files are corrupted or something i have tried other and it plays well
04:12<th>those files used to be working normally?
04:12<classical>yea as i remember i used to listen thous
04:12<classical>but i copied it from scp
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04:13<classical>maybe something is missing
04:13<classical>or similar kind of stuff
04:13<Obligatory>classical, I missed a bit while relogging on. Did you mean the corrupted files were suer data or files put there by some package?
04:13<th>you may want to check your fs and your harddisk
04:14<classical>Obligatory, pardon, what ?
04:14<classical>th fs ? what do you mean ? :)
04:15<Obligatory>classical, you said "file are corrupted"...
04:15<th>filesystem, run fsck
04:15<Obligatory>s/file/files/ agh
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04:15<jm_>classical: fs= file system
04:16<classical>Obligatory, maybe they are i dont know . . . i can play other files so that's why i thought that maybe they are corrupted
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04:17<Obligatory>classical, not sure which are corrupted if any. Hmm. Well checking if package files are corrupted is easy enough, install 'debsums', then run 'debsums <packagename...>', and it'll check for ya.
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04:19<classical>th i should first unmount the partition to run fsck ?
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04:20<classical>Obligatory, yea i know about debsums thanks :)
04:20<classical>th kk
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04:22<Obligatory>classical, therefore 'debsums' allows you to know with reasonable certainty whether any package file corruption exists. If the packages are OK, the user data might not be. 'fsck' will check problems at the OS level, but won't catch file corrupted by high level software, (as with some bugs).
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04:24<mtempest>Obligatory, /dev/fuse permissions are correct after a reboot. However, I have no fuse rule in 50-udev-default.rules. Instead, I have one in 60-fuse-utils.rules.
04:24<mtempest>However, it does work now, and I now know where to look.
04:25<mtempest>Thanks :)
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04:25<Obligatory>Surely it'd be nice if we had file format integrity standards, tho'. Then we could run some util that could check for such high level corruption...
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04:25<BurtleTurtle>Hey i kind of have a more general question. I understand if you guys don't want to anser. I am trying to get my vpn working on my cellphone(android) i need to create a pfx file to do this though. I only have a Root Cert a Host Cert and a p12(PSK file)
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04:26<BurtleTurtle>.. continued(sorry for enter) I found a how to that describes a usercert a userkey and a ca
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04:26<classical>Obligatory, i think packages are Ok, but .mp3 files might be corrupted so i will copy it again
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04:28<Obligatory>classical, wouldn't a compare be more informative than a copy?
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04:30<classical>Obligatory, what are you going to suggest me ? i dont quite understand why i need to check some package via debsums
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04:32<classical>how can i tar all files, but not hidden one ?
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04:32<Obligatory>classical, if you suspect corruption, first check the package, that easiest. If it's corrupt, reinstall. If it's not corrupt, and you have good originals and suspect copies, run a compare, that way you know whether the copies were actually bad, which would be useful to know.
04:33<Obligatory>ahem, orignials=good original user data files
04:33<classical>Obligatory, ah okay so what package should i check the player ?
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04:34<Obligatory>classical, what's the program's name?
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04:35<Obligatory>classical, totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
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04:36<classical>Obligatory, neither
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04:37<classical>totem is okay according debsums
04:37<Obligatory>classical, checking, 1 sec...
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04:40<Obligatory>looks like gstreamer... say something like 'debsums totem totem-common totem-plugins libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 | grep -v OK' ought to be enough.
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04:41<Obligatory>So if totem's OK, use 'mc' or 'cmp' or whatnot to compare the good original user data to the possibly corrupted copes...
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04:43<classical>Obligatory, ya packages are the same but not files
04:43<classical>size is different
04:43<Obligatory>classical, incidentally 'totem' doesn't play as many formats & odd codecs as 'mplayer' or 'vlc'.
04:44<Obligatory>classical, files _are_ different? And you've never intentionally modified 'em?
04:45<classical>ya mplayer is good one im installing it now
04:45<Obligatory>I like Debian; I wouldn't know how to check for package file corruption on Windows, assuming it's possible, which seems doubtful.
04:46<classical>i dont remember yesterday i was very sleepy :-D
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04:46<Obligatory>classical, well did you want to modify these user data files?
04:47<classical>anyway it is files fault not package so i'll reCopy them
04:47<Obligatory>classical, absolutely.
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04:51<Obligatory>Bye all!
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04:58<classical>I'm copying tar file using scp: scp -P 62 classical@xx.xx.xx.xx:/home/classical/xxx /home/xxx
04:59<classical>but there is nothing in my /home/xxx directory
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05:00<korencia>classical do you have any errors from scp?
05:01<classical>it is copying file
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05:02<jm_>copying /home/classical/xxx to /home/xxx does't sound like a good idea
05:02<korencia>Mh.. So it takes the time for copying itself, no error reported, you aren't copying no hidden file ('.' in the beginning) and after copying no file is found when ls /home/xxx ?
05:03<classical>jm_, why ?
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05:03<korencia>Hm.. Try to use ~ instead /home/xxx in the destination address
05:03<jm_>classical: try this: touch /home/classical/foobarcrap; cp /home/classical/foobarcrap /home/foobarcrap
05:03<classical>i thing that it will appear after download will end from remote server
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05:06<classical>ah my download is complete but file is not in my pc
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05:06<classical>where did it go ?
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05:07<korencia>jm_ DO you think about not enough privileges to create /home/xxx file?
05:07<jm_>korencia: yes
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05:08<classical>i copied it inside
05:08<korencia>classical --> use ~ instead /home/xxx -there you should have enought priviledges.. Using shortcut adresses is very good -especialy if you are using the script/commands only for actual userspace..
05:08<classical>sudo scp -P xx classical@xx.xx.xx.xx:/home/classical/geonet /home/Music
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05:09<classical>i run command with root privilege
05:09<korencia>Hm.. geonet is that actual file -it doesn't seem as .tar
05:09<korencia>Yes it should make it.. What about not enought space on the destination drive?
05:10<classical>ya it is without a .tar
05:10<korencia>(I know.. scp should complain.. but for sure.. I have no idea now...)
05:10<classical>but it is a tar file
05:11<classical>no i have more than enough space on my drive
05:11<korencia>Ok.. Irrelevant detail of extension..
05:12<korencia>OK. I will try something.. just a minute
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05:13<classical>aww it is under /home directory
05:13<classical>dunno why
05:13<classical>i mean a geonet file which i copied from remote pc
05:15<korencia>Try this command: $ scp classical@xx.xx.xx.xx:geonet ~
05:15<korencia>It will prompt for password..
05:15<jm_>i told you why it's in /home but you don't want to pay attention
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05:15<classical>jm_, ya i understand
05:15<classical>thank you
05:16<jm_>classical: also try to avoid runnig things like scp as root
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05:16<korencia>Excuese me.. I wanted to try to copy it ANYWHERE inyour PC at first.. Maybe there is some bloody problem in destination..
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05:22<classical>jm_, i needed to specified the destination filename also
05:22<jm_>classical: right, use ~foo/ or ~/ syntax for that - it's easier to avoid a mistake this way
05:23<classical>okay :)) thanks again for advice
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05:32<fireman112>how2 install gnome3?
05:32<fireman112>in testing sources?
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05:51<Angelita>quien eres
05:51<Angelita>d q cole eres
05:52<OdyX>where is dpkg ?
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05:53<MrFrood>dpkg quit 8+ hours ago :(
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05:53<grove>Who has the power to bring it back?
05:53<Angelita>de donde sois
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05:55<Angelita>quienes sois
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05:56<Angelita>kien ai en el chat
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05:57<MrFrood>Angelita: "/join #debian-es" I think, try the command "/list"
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06:01<Helel>sorry but
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06:01<Helel>I've got a computer connected to internet through ethernet cable with a normal non-wifi router
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06:02<Helel>this computer has got a wifi pci card
06:02<korencia>Helel :) So -congratulation.. You are successful
06:02<Helel>what I need to do to share my connection with ipad ?
06:03<Zaba>Helel, you mean, you want your computer to be a wifi access point?
06:03<korencia>Do you want to connect iPad to your PC (and maybe through your PC to Unternet)?
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06:03<korencia>Do you want to connect iPad to your PC (and maybe through your PC to Internet)?
06:03<Helel>yes I need to make my computer my wifi access point
06:04<Zaba>Helel, well, firstly you need your hardware to support being an AP
06:04<Zaba>Helel, then you need hostapd
06:04<Angelita>soy española
06:04<Helel>Zaba, thank you, thats a start :)
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06:04<Zaba>Helel, hostapd comes with documentation and an example config, it should get you started
06:05<Helel>i installed it now through apt
06:05<Zaba>see /usr/share/doc/hostapd/
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06:06<Helel>so with hostapd I can use my wired pc connected through a non-wireless router like a wifi access point ?
06:06<Helel>that's what I searched :D
06:06<grove>Angelita: Por favor, inténtelo #debian-es de ayuda en español (google translate)
06:06<Zaba>Helel, well, with hostapd you can configure your wifi card as an AP
06:06<Zaba>Helel, afterwards, you also need to set up routing
06:06<Sara>hola gente
06:06<Angelita>ola paxu
06:06<Zaba>Helel, you either bridge the wired and the wireless interfaces together, or set up NAT
06:06<Sara>hola amiga angela
06:06<Angelita>ola amiga paz
06:06<Zaba>Helel, in your case, a bridge would be more appropriate
06:07<Sara>zaba vete ya
06:07<Sara>out zaba, out!
06:07<Zaba>Helel, since you are already behind a router
06:07<Sara>in critian please
06:07<Zaba>Helel, for that, you need bridge-utils
06:07<Angelita>out zaba out
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06:07<Sara>out zaba out
06:07<Angelita>q te den por culoo
06:07<Helel>thank you Zaba
06:07<grove>Angelita & Sara: Dejar de hablar español
06:07<Sara>jajajjajajajaj q vasta killa
06:07<Sara>grove quien eres
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06:08<Sara>quien eres grove?
06:08<Sara>who are yo?
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06:08<Helel>sorry Zaba, but where are the executables of bridge-utils
06:08<Sara>helel, who are you?
06:08<Zaba>Helel, best would be to configure a bridge interface in /etc/network/interfaces
06:09<grove>Sara: I'm a non-spanish speaking debian user,
06:09<Sara>mira nena de mi no te cachondeas en?
06:09<Sara>porque tu a mi no me vacilas es mas me resbalas
06:09<Zaba>Helel, man bridge-utils-interfaces
06:09<Sara>tequiero angela!
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06:09<Angelita>y yo!!1
06:10<Zaba>Helel, basically, iface br0 inet dhcp\n\tbridge_ports $your_wired_interface
06:10<Sara>can you speak in Spanish please?
06:10<Zaba>Helel, and remove everything related to $your_wired_interface in /etc/network/interfaces
06:10<grove>Anyone know how to bring dpkg back? Anyone able to convince Angelita and Sara to go somewhere else?
06:10<koollman>oh. dpkg broken ? :/
06:10<Zaba>Helel, oh and 'auto br0'
06:10<Sara>yes or no
06:10<Angelita>mira niña tu a mi no me vacilas es + me resvalas corta el rollo luserr
06:10<Helel>thats to put on /etc/network/interfaces
06:11<Sara>grove: hi!
06:11<Helel>right ? :)
06:11<grove>koollman: 11:53 < MrFrood> dpkg quit 8+ hours ago :(
06:11<Zaba>Helel, yes
06:11<koollman>Sara: try #debian-es
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06:11<Zaba>Helel, then, in hostapd config, you specify bridge=br0
06:11<Sara>killa q me ables en español coña!
06:11<Sara>q pesas
06:11<koollman>< dpkg> Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:11<koollman>there we go :)
06:11<Helel>and then ifup br0
06:11<Helel>right ?
06:11<Zaba>Helel, no, wait
06:11<grove>koollman: Thank you
06:12<Sara>thank you
06:12<Zaba>Helel, here's what I use on my homeserver:
06:12<Sara>quereis salir con nosotras?
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06:12<Sara>somos del orgullo gay
06:13<Sara>we went to the manifestation
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06:13<Zaba>Helel, in my case, the homeserver is also the dhcp server, so I use static address assignment. In your case, I guess you use the router's dhcp, so you make it use dhcp
06:13<Helel>i share my internet connection through router via eth0, so I need to specify on bridge_ports my eth0 ?
06:13<Zaba>Helel, no
06:13<Zaba>Helel, you use br0 instead of eth0, and include eth0 in bridge_ports of br0
06:13<Sara>how is the name of de page in spanish of here?
06:13<Helel>yeah right
06:14<Zaba>Helel, as I said, iface br0 inet dhcp\n\tbridge_ports eth0 should do
06:14<Sara>ok but how is the name?
06:14<Sara>I don know
06:14<Zaba>Helel, then, you need to create /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
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06:15<Sara>bye people
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06:15<Sara>hola ana
06:15<Sara>eres la de clase?
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06:15<Zaba>Helel, here is what I use:
06:15<MrFrood>try 'join #debian-es'
06:16<Sara>hola ana!+
06:16<anaa>ola 'sara'¡¡¡
06:16<Sara>vamonos a otra pagina tia q esto es en ingles
06:16<Helel>I need to change something ?
06:16<Sara>ok ana
06:16<anaa>a cual??
06:16<Zaba>Helel, the important parts are: interface=wlan0 (should be your wireless interface), driver= (should be nl80211 for new kernels, wext for older, I think...), bridge=br0 (adds the interface to the bridge)
06:16<Sara>no se aora te lo digo tu sal
06:16<Sara>bye people
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06:17<anaa>ok,os vamos a la 2º??
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06:17<Zaba>Helel, you need to specify the ssid (name of the network), encryption parameters (the passphrase, maybe a different encryption method, though I don't see why)
06:17<Helel>wpa is right for me :)
06:17<Zaba>Helel, hw_mode/channel might need adjustment depending on hardware and what channels are occupied in your area
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06:18<Zaba>Helel, once you are done with both /etc/network/interfaces and hostapd.conf, you can ifup br0, and check 'ip a' to make sure that eth0 is deconfigured, and br0 is configured
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06:19<Helel>I'm sorry for the delay but I'm configuring all in the right time you're speaking :D
06:19<Zaba>Helel, it might interrupt your connection and dhcp might get a new address
06:19<Zaba>don't panic ;P
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06:19<Helel>I hope it work right :D
06:20<Zaba>Helel, you could show me the resulting configs if you have doubts :P
06:20<Helel>rt2800pci should be my driver ?
06:20<Zaba>Helel, no
06:20<Zaba>Helel, try nl80211
06:20<Helel>ok thanks :)
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06:21<Zaba>Helel, it's not the driver in the kernel sense, it's what hostapd uses to talk to the interface
06:21<Helel>now everything is clear :D
06:21<Helel>also the driver :P
06:22<Helel>now I'll test all with ifup br0 :P
06:22<Helel>THANK YOU
06:22<Zaba>Helel, if ifup br0 works, do ifup wlan0
06:22<Zaba>Helel, that should actually start the AP
06:23<Helel>there is a little problem
06:24<Helel>root@debian:~# ifup br0
06:24<Helel>Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.1.1-P1
06:24<Helel>Copyright 2004-2010 Internet Systems Consortium.
06:24<Helel>All rights reserved.
06:24<Helel>For info, please visit
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06:24<Helel>Failed to bring up br0.
06:24<Zaba>Helel, use a pastebin
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06:24<Helel>yeah :)
06:24<Zaba>Helel, pastebin that output, plus /etc/network/interfaces
06:26<Zaba>Helel, argh, by \t I meant tab :P
06:26<Zaba>Helel, look at the example config I provided
06:26<Zaba>Helel, that is,
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06:27<Helel>eheh sorry I'm a little dummy today because of fever I think
06:27<Zaba>try that :P
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06:27<Helel>now I'll test all :)
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06:28<Zaba>Helel, also, you might want to kill the dhclient that operates on eth0
06:28<Zaba>Helel, before ifup br0
06:28<Zaba>pkill dhclient should do
06:28<Helel>ok thank you
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06:29<Helel>wow wonderful :D now I'll test all
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06:30<Helel>mh why I don't found my network on ipad when I'm searching for wifi net ?
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06:33<Helel>the ssid is case sensitive eheh :P
06:35<dselect>[dselect] a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: Also ask me about <aptitude>. see <fix-unmet>
06:38<gnugr>Ganneff: ?
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08:25<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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08:48<broeni>Does anybody have a list of what is needed after a min. net-install to compile a kernel module?
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08:51<jm_>install kernel headers and build-esssential
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08:51<jm_>essential even
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08:57<broeni>Agreed, but does not help me: I'm trying to compile the Realtek module R8169 for their latest NIC after a net-install (wheezy, AMD64)
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08:57<broeni>Thus using apt... is not an option: I'll permanently have to reload the module...
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08:58<lordy>Hello there :)
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08:58<lordy>anyone with openvz experience here/now?
08:59<lordy>d like to discuss a predicament :)
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09:01<lordy>someone played with debian 2.6.38 kernel and openvz?
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09:02<lordy>is it always that quiet here? or it's just one of those times ;)
09:03<MrFrood>just one of those times
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10:13<avilsc>my wifi is off, if anyone can help me
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10:23<gnugr>avilsc: what get you with " iwlist scan " ? to see if you can see it
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10:25<avilsc>my wi-fi cannot activ
10:25<gnugr>did you try " iwlist scan" ?
10:26<avilsc>how to try it
10:26<avilsc>i'm new
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10:26<gnugr>run it with a terminal
10:27<avilsc>"iwlist scan"
10:27<avilsc>" iwlist scan"
10:27<gnugr>yes in a terminal
10:27<gnugr>as root
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10:27<avilsc>root "iwlist scan"
10:28<avilsc>i don't know
10:28<avilsc>please help me
10:28<gnugr>open a terminal on your system
10:28<gnugr>on PC
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10:28<gnugr>type " su - " to be as root
10:29<avilsc>please type the full command as to what
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10:30<gnugr>you sure are with debian OS ?
10:30<avilsc>pinguy linux
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10:31<gnugr>pinguy linux?
10:31<avilsc>debian system
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10:32<gnugr>open a shell (terminal)
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10:34<gnugr>type in the shell " su - " (without "" )
10:34<gnugr>give password
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10:36<gnugr>or you may be already as root
10:37<gnugr>can you see root on your terminal/
10:38<avilsc>I'm just learning Ubuntu, I really did not catch you
10:38<gnugr>oh you are with debian or ubuntu/
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10:39<avilsc>Linux Pinguy
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10:40<gnugr>did you open a shell?
10:40<ml|>whoami can tell you if you are root or not
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10:41<avilsc>I increasingly do not understand,OMG
10:42<ml|>avilsc: are you using debian?
10:42<gnugr>you must be as root not as simple user to run those commands
10:42<ansgar>avilsc: Neither Pinguy nor Ubuntu are Debian (even though they are based on Debian).
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10:43<ansgar>avilsc: They also have their own channels and are not supported here.
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10:44<avilsc>yes, I believe it's debian, since I installed chrome debian version
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10:44<dselect>Pinguy OS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. #pinguyos on See also <based on debian>.
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10:47<gnugr>avilsc: first time with linux distribution?
10:47<grove>Is the dselect bot a replacement for dpkg?
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10:47<gnugr>grove: yes
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10:49<gnugr>lets check if (!tell works)
10:49<avilsc>my ubuntu cannot update "sudo apt-get update" not activ know
10:49<gnugr>%tell avilsc -about pinguy
10:50<avilsc>now can
10:50<avilsc>I'm really confused
10:50<gnugr>first time with linux?
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10:52<avilsc>I originally installed ubuntu 10.04LTS, but all internet connections can not function
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10:53<symen>avilsc: did you have internet connectivity before?
10:53<symen>avilsc: and it broke?
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10:53<avilsc>yes,i'm install win7,no problem
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10:55<avilsc>so how do I activate my wifi
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11:06<symen>avilsc: Not every Linux distribution supports every (embedded) wireless card. Maybe you are just in bad luck! :)
11:07<symen>Although Ubuntu is known for supporting lots of hardware out of the box.
11:07<avilsc>my laptop acer 4745G
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11:08<symen>To get my wireless card working in Debian, I had to compile, install and modprobe the driver manually.
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11:08<symen>Acer should be well-known enough to be supported.
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11:08<symen>Did you try the 64-bit install or 32-bit?
11:09<avilsc>32 bit
11:09<symen>That would be the best bet, yes.
11:10<SynrG>symen, avilsc: you should continue this support conversation off channel
11:11<symen>SynrG: I am leaving anyway, but thanks for the heads up.
11:11<symen>avilsc: Try the ubuntu forums, ask them which diagnostic information they need to help solve your issue.
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11:12<avilsc>thks all
11:13<babilen>avilsc: could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and give me the output?
11:13<avilsc>i try
11:14<SynrG>babilen: haven't we established this is a pinguy support question and doesn't belong here?
11:14<avilsc>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002a] (rev 01)
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11:14<babilen>SynrG: No idea, just popped in. Is it?
11:14<SynrG>as per the dselect pinguy factoid, see #pinguyos @
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11:15<SynrG>which avilsc was already sent
11:15<babilen>Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for pointing it out. (I arrived in time for "so how do I activate my wifi")
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11:19<avilsc>if my wifi can be helped
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11:19<Yukai>Can someone help me with the MPlayer YouTube plugin?
11:19<Yukai>it says: GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error.
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11:26<gnugr>Yukai: be sure you have flashplugin-nonfree installed
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11:27<gnugr>Yukai: also get multimedia in your sources.list if you don't have them (msg dselect dmm squeeze)
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11:27<Yukai>gnugr, flashplugin-nonfree is installed
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11:29<Yukai>also totem-gstreamer is the latest version
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11:31<gnugr>Yukai:do you have alsa-base and alsa-oss also installed?
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11:32<gnugr>yukai: do you have multimedia in sources.list/
11:33<Yukai>gnugr, do you mean: deb lenny main ?
11:34<Yukai>if so then yes
11:34<gnugr>%dmm squeeze
11:34<dselect>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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11:39<Yukai>gnugr, thanks but it still gives me trouble
11:39<Yukai>I seem to have everything you mentioned installed and updated
11:40<Yukai>I can search YouTube fine from within MPlayer, but I can not play anything
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11:48<pde>sid security update to libvte -> *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'
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11:48<pde>now my gnome-terminals are broken :/
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11:49<babilen>pde: restart
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11:49<babilen>pde: Also note that wheezy/sid has a new dedicated channel (#debian-next)
11:49<pde>babilen: restart what?
11:50<pde>do you mean reboot?
11:50<babilen>pde: You fridge! (No, just kidding ... restart the computer. Or hunt down the service that need to be restarted, checkrestart might help with that)
11:50<babilen>pde: Yes, that was what I was trying to refer to by "restart"
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11:58<SorryGuest>trying to disable eth0, so I'm running ifconfig eth0 ifdown at startup, but it's kinda silly. How do I tell debian to not "up" interfaces?
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11:59<jhutchins_lt2>SorryGuest: Don't configure them as auto.
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11:59<scisteffan>hi, how do I adjust colour options for a ghostscipt hp laser printer?
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12:00<jhutchins_lt>scisteffan: Depends on what driver/print spooler you have set up.
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12:00<SorryGuest>jhutchins_it2 how to configure them, than? (I know where to edit)
12:01<scisteffan>the driver is: HP Color LaserJet cp2025n pcl3, hpcups 3.11.5 (color, 2-sided printing). Is pcl3 the spooler?
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12:02<Lantizia>Lo, if you have a file that is mode 660 (because you don't want 'others' having access)... how can you allow two standard users to read/write to this file?
12:02<Lantizia>I've tried making a group for both users to belong to and making the file owned by that group - but it didn't work
12:03<SorryGuest>jhutchins_lt2: eth0 isn't at /etc/network/interfaces at all..?
12:04<SorryGuest>isn't there a place I can tell it to go without the whole thing?
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12:19<cr7>quien vive
12:20<gnugr>asta la vista
12:20<gnugr>vamos amigos
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12:21<gnugr>devil: use dselect
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12:21<dselect>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:26<omni>My update Manager is freezing when i open it. I get the little "Update-Manager" box, however everything else locks up and i cannot go from there. Is there any way to restart this program and get it to open w/o auto checking for updates?
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12:29<brahim>that command what mean
12:29<brahim>in ubuntu
12:30<dselect>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:31<Zaba>brahim, man pr
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12:46<mik_>Salut a tous
12:47<mik_>Quelqu'un est la ? svp
12:47<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
12:48<babilen>mik_: Or English here :)
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12:50<mik__>i wanted to ask you if someone have a link to download
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12:50<mik__>Debian 5 lenny in French pleez ?
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12:51<babilen>%install lenny
12:51<dselect>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>.
12:51<babilen>mik__: ^^^
12:52<mik__>Thanks you
12:53<babilen>de rien
12:53<mik__>C'est un chann Fr ?
12:54<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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13:04<omni>My update Manager is freezing when i open it. I get the little "Update-Manager" box, however everything else locks up and i cannot go from there. Is there any way to restart this program and get it to open w/o auto checking for updates?
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13:52<prime>how play my AUDIO playlist "killer.xspf" from bash use ssh on the server by VLK player
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13:58<prime>how play my AUDIO playlist "killer.xspf" from bash use ssh on the server by VLK player
13:58<prime>how play my AUDIO playlist "killer.xspf" from bash use ssh on the server by VLK player
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14:01<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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14:03<babilen>prime: I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Starting with "killer.xspf" and ending with "VLK player" -- You might want to elaborate on that if you need help.
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14:04<devil>same here.
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14:04<prime><babilen>я wanna play music on server
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14:04<prime>babilen:я wanna play music on server
14:05<prime>babilen:я wanna play music on server by ssh command
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14:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
14:06<babilen>good call :)
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14:09<madduck>any idea how in I can configure a numbering style to automatically restart at 1 after a new heading 1?
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14:10<retrospectacus>madduck: I would ask that in #debian-oo on or on
14:11<babilen>madduck: I would actually recommend LaTeX, but good luck!
14:11<madduck>babilen: i WISH
14:11<babilen>I know ...
14:11<madduck>retrospectacus: #ooo is generally unhelpful
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14:12<babilen>Hmm, any other good channels? You could try your luck with "/msg alis list *fooglob*" on freenode. But I haven't written anything important in OO for a long time. Sorry. </offtopic>
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14:18<mark>q all
14:18<mark>я кстановил линукс
14:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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14:19<TCW> <- how is that graph supposed to be read?
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14:22<babilen>TCW: RC, M & W and F & P refer to bug priorities (rc, minor, wishlist, fixed, patch, ..)
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14:23<TCW>babilen, I & N?
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14:24<babilen>TCW: normal and .... *drumroll* ......
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14:25<TCW>and is there a frontpage for the bts which lists all bugs of a certain dist? For example I want to see how many bugs squeeze has reported since the release and maybe what kind of bugs (grave, critical, minor, normal...) those are...
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14:25<TCW>babilen, ah, thanks :)
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14:26<babilen>udd can probably do that ...
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14:29<TCW>babilen, thx again... is it normal that a search in udd uses local ressources like hell? CPU and RAM for instance (RAM usage rises like hell and the CPU is very busy...)
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14:30<babilen>TCW: Yes, Debian is outsourcing package compilation to users of UDD.
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14:31<Silicium01>my default installation of postfix will not start, is there a way to troubleshoot?
14:31<Silicium01>Where are postfix error files?
14:31<babilen>TCW: But more serious: I never had a problem with it. It is probably rather your browser than udd
14:31<TCW>babilen, I was just about to ask if you mean that serious ;)
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14:32<Silicium01>apparently port25 is already in use
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14:33<Silicium01>I shought bu installing postfix I'm automatically uninstalling whatever else is running on 25?
14:33<alex> alguien me puede ayudar a conectar mi antena WIFI ??
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14:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:33<TCW>UUps :)
14:33<TCW>nice that dpkg is smart enough to not answer a second time :)
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14:34<alex>hah ahaha . ok tnks
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14:34<errr_>if you have /tmp mounted noexec is there a way to have apt use /var/tmp or something for its runnning of scripts when you upgrade or install a package?
14:35<alex>no body answer to me on debian-es
14:35<alex>ok . some body hel me to instal my wifi ??
14:37<alex>nop :-(
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14:37<sney>alex: I can try. please tell me what 'lspci -nn |grep -i net' says
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14:39<__Alex_>Does anyone know a program for Debian that can stream my desktop to
14:39<alex>00:07.0 Bridge [0680]: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet [10de:03ef] (rev a2)
14:39<alex>01:06.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105/VT6106S [Rhine-III] [1106:3106] (rev 86)
14:39<alex>my wifi , its by USB
14:39<sney>do you know what chip it uses?
14:39<sney>you can lsusb to see
14:40<alex>let me seach the model...
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14:41<sney>rtl8187b, probably
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14:43<alex>it's RTL8192SU
14:43<babilen>errr_: Yes, that is covered in the securing debian manual -- see "APT::ExtractTemplates::TempDir" in "man apt-extracttemplates", and
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14:44<alex>i have the driver installer of windows "RTL8192SU_AutoInstallPackage"
14:44<errr_>babilen: oh wonderful thanks!
14:44<babilen>errr_: You are welcome. Have fun :)
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14:44<diego>Hello, I'm trying to think if something is safe enough ... lets say I ask for a string and concat to a path starting with /home/diego/ if the string is ../../etc/passwd then it will get to /etc/passwd
14:45<diego>is it safe enough not to permit '../'
14:45<diego>or there is another way to jump out /home/diego
14:45<diego>(I need to permit '/' to get to subdirs)
14:45<babilen>errr_: Ah, something like in /etc/apt/apt.conf or (better IMHO) /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/25extracttemplate (or another filename)
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14:46<alex>tnks i will read :-)
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14:47<alex>i have question ...
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14:48<alex>how can do . to download "" to my penddrive to install offline at my home ????
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14:49<alex>i need lear to install offline :'( because in my home i dont have internet :-(
14:49<TCW>alex, what do you want to download? Just a debian package or a whole set of CDs / DVDs to install *everything* offline?
14:49<Namo>I've got a tv set digital decoder that has got port 111/tcp and 111/udp opened, has it got a nfs server running on it?
14:50<alex>realy ! ! !
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14:52<jhutchins_lt>Namo: Got a linux system handy too?
14:52<jhutchins_lt>!tell alex about usb install
14:53<Namo>jhutchins_lt: I don't know wich system is on it :)
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14:53<jhutchins_lt>Namo: How about the system you're on?
14:53<Namo>debian squeeze
14:53<jhutchins_lt>Oh, in a console grep 111 /etc/services
14:53<TCW>alex, pardon?
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14:54<jhutchins_lt>Namo: ^
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14:54<Namo>jhutchins_lt: I know that 111 is rpcbind
14:54<errr_>babilen: nice thanks. What about packages that were installed/upgraded before we saw this being a proble.. can we force a reinstall of them?
14:54<Namo>jhutchins_lt: then? Why this is the only open port on that box?
14:54<errr_>babilen: or do we even need to worry about that..
14:54<jhutchins_lt>Namo: So it's probably running an rpc daemon which is probably how a microsoft system would connect to it.
14:55<alex>jhutchins_lt i try to install my usb wifi
14:55<Namo>jhutchins_lt: connections to samba'
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14:55<jhutchins_lt>Namo: No, it probably uses an rpc call to launch some other service.
14:55<Namo>jhutchins_lt: or shared folder on win machine?
14:55<babilen>errr_: My crystal ball is not working that great now and I can not tell you if "that" is a problem. If it wasn't a problem until now it won't be a problem in the future though. And yes, it is naturally possible to reinstall (packages and Debian)
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14:56<jhutchins_lt>Namo: Most likely requires special Windows software.
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14:57<alex>I want to download drivers for my pendrive, and install them offline at home. to work my usb-wify
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14:58<__Alex_>Does anyone know a program for Debian that can stream my desktop to
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14:58<devil>__Alex_: what is
14:58<__Alex_>Something like
14:58<__Alex_>Works the same way
14:58<devil>well, i guess i am out :)
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14:59<devil>i barely know youtube :)
14:59<alex>HELP ! I want to download drivers for my pendrive, and install them offline at home. to work my usb-wify
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14:59<devil>alex: where is the problem?
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15:00<errr_>babilen: sorry "that" being the Permission denied errors like this: Can't exec "/tmp/linux-base.config.51711": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/ line 168 and simialr other errors regarding not being able to run the scripts.
15:00<TCW>alex, it would help if you would listen _carefully_ and answer questions... shouting does not help at all.
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15:01<alex> at my home i dont have internet to download the driver , and i don now. how use the DVD to install the drivers :(
15:01<babilen>errr_: you can probably just reinstall those packages. They won't be installed anyway and linger in an inconsistent unconfigured state. Something like "aptitude -f install" or "dpkg --configure -a" might help (read about that first!!)
15:01<TCW>alex, we know that much already...
15:01<devil>alex: then download them elsewhere
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15:02<alex>on or were ?
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15:03<alex>i go to realteck , and i don fount for gnu-linux
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15:03<devil>alex: debian stuff can be found on
15:04<devil>alex: that means packages that could be installed by apt-get/aptitude
15:04<errr_>babilen: will do thanks for the help
15:04<TCW>alex, the driver is already in the kernel! And someone showed you a link to instructions what to do with that hardware to get it going... just fowwlow this instructions and ask specific questions if something is not clear to you.
15:04<alex>, but i don have internet on my home
15:05<TCW>follow even
15:05<TCW>aleso what? download everything you need now.
15:05<TCW>alex, even
15:05<babilen>errr_: Hard to debug without further information about your current status. And I am too tired to take any responsibilities for presumably important boxes now.
15:05<babilen>errr_: Good luck and happy hacking though :)
15:06<errr_>babilen: :-)
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15:09<alex>ok. will try at tonigth
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15:43<maylow>just installed debian
15:44<maylow>its really nice
15:44<maylow>and much faster than ubuntu
15:44*babilen removes maylow's enter key and throws a couple of punctuation characters in the general direction
15:44<maylow>boot time, ui, everything
15:44<babilen>But great that you enjoy it so for. Welcome :)
15:45<maylow>10x :)
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15:46<alex>yes , i tink , it bether that ubuntu :-O
15:46<maylow>honestly - it looks like a better version of ubuntu, not vice versa, as one would expect
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15:46<maylow>alex, precisely
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15:59<tommy_gunz>I'm new to this...Anyone know a good channel to try to get torrent invites???
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15:59<daemonkeeper>Well, tommy_gunz, definitively not here
16:00<daemonkeeper>But I appreciate your question. Really. You proof not _everyone_ is Italian, showing up here and asking questions like you did.
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16:04<deniz>Can someone please help me get my surround sound working in Wheezy? The woman only says front-left and front-right:
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16:05<daemonkeeper>If you don't get an answer here, see topic, deniz.
16:05*Black_Prince points deniz to #debian-next
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16:05<deniz>o ok, i'm there now, thanks
16:05<deniz>is this a recent change?
16:06<maylow>ok, greetz to all, i'm off, sweet dreams or whatever for your time zone :)
16:06<Black_Prince>It is :|
16:06<babilen>deniz: The channel has been created recently, yes.
16:06<daemonkeeper>Well, rather new. However the improvement is, the channel exists at all. Before there was no channel supporting testing/unstable after all
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16:06<deniz>lol i wasn't aware that testing/sid wasn't supported
16:07<deniz>i mean in terms of help
16:07<sney>well, testing was supported sometimes, but people asking for help with sid were just made fun of
16:07<deniz>o i guess i never experienced that since i never used sid
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16:08<deniz>testing is REALLY stable
16:08<daemonkeeper>Depends on your point of view.
16:08<deniz>i only use stable for my school laptop just in case
16:08<babilen>!tell deniz -about stable
16:08<babilen>deniz: Debian's definition of stable has very little to do with "running without problems"
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16:09<deniz>i'm not new to debian ;)
16:09<deniz>i just love it that's why i said that :$
16:09<babilen>indeed :)
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16:26<lol123>pls, how do i start vmware on the latest ubuntu?
16:27<retrospectacus>lol123: this is #debian. Ubuntu is not supported here
16:27<babilen>!ubuntuirc lol123
16:27<dpkg>lol123: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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16:27<lol123>ok, thanks
16:28<babilen>Have fun over there :)
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16:37<equimanya>how do I crack a password protected .rar archive?
16:37<daemonkeeper>Not at all
16:37<devil>equimanya: not by asking here
16:38<retrospectacus>start guessing
16:38<equimanya>devil: where should I?
16:38<devil>equimanya: no idea
16:38<daemonkeeper>There is no reliable way, after all, unless you can use a dictionary attack. RAR uses AES as far as I can tell
16:38<daemonkeeper>Maybe you get more information in ##security on Freenode
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16:39<equimanya>it's a file I get via bittorrent. The password is likely some domain...
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16:39<daemonkeeper>So, use that domain.
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16:40<daemonkeeper>If you don't know, there is no reliable way to crack it. Period.
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16:50<aurum>Could someone help me with an NFS issue?
16:50<towo`>we don't know
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16:51<aurum>I just upgraded an NFS server that was running Lenny to Squeeze and now HP-UX based clients are unable to lock files on NFS mounts.
16:51<aurum>AIX and Solaris clients seem fine though.
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17:52<Lanz>Check out this bug, probably the funniest thing I've seen in a while:
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18:07<catsup>oh my
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18:10<ompaul>it is rather "OOCH"
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18:11<ompaul>see the authors didn't learn from history and like the people in this file they were doomed to repeat the mistake over and over
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18:46<equimanya>aurum: you asked an NFS question some time ago. If it is not solved yet, maybe try in ##networking on freenode
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18:49<mickj>Hello all. I just installed Debian Squeeze (6.0.1a + network updates, without contrib/non-free) on my ThinkPad R31 laptop using the xfce+lxde CD 1. Largely just a basic install, plus an encrypted partition mounted out of the way. All was well during the installation, but on the initial boot, apparently when the system tries to switch to framebuffer mode I get a blank, black screen without even as much as a cursor. Passing fb=false, vga=normal,
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18:50<devil>since KMS is used, vga is depricated
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18:51<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
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18:54<mickj>Adding 'nomodeset' to the kernel parameters list has no apparent effect.
18:54<devil>no, nomodeset is deprecated as well, as KMS is mandatory
18:55<devil>can you try to boot with vesa?
18:56<devil>what gfx card is that anyways?
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18:56<mickj>If it helps, when I boot quiet nomodeset, the screen blanks during or immediately after waiting for udev to be fully populated. Without quiet, things scroll by much too quickly to be useful.
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18:58<kop>mickj: I had that problem and wound up reading the wiki page and setting a parameter for the module in /etc/modules.d/. I forget the details.
18:58<kop>mickj: (To turn off kms.)
18:59<mickj>Looks like the graphics circuitry is Intel 830M.
18:59<devil>kop: maybe that still works in squeeze, in sid it does not
18:59<kop>mickj: You could ssh in and see about fixing it by passing the module an argument.
18:59<kop>devil: Yup. Squeeze.
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18:59<mickj>kop: No SSH server installed, this is a laptop.....
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18:59<kop>devil: It'd be nice to have it all in one place, and the kernel parameter line satisfies that.
18:59<equimanya>is there any IRC channel for the openprinting project?
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19:00<kop>Jonny: Hello. If you've a debian question just ask.
19:00<Jonny>im new, i just installed debian on another computer
19:00<kop>Jonny: FWIW, see the private message the bot sends you below.
19:00<kop>!tell Jonny about introduction
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19:01<mickj>kop: I will try to follow the KernelModesetting wiki page instructions for disabling KMS and see if that helps.
19:01<kop>Jonny: (You type in irc something like "/msg dpkg overview" to see the factoids. (I like the overveiw factoid, and the reference docs.)
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19:02<devil>maybe i was wrong in thinking, KMS was mandatory from 2.6.32 on
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19:02<kop>devil: Well it sucks that there's no one way to disable it. (The teensy console fonts suck. I'm still getting around to complaining to the bts.)
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19:03<Jonny>i need to get wireless working on the debian computer
19:03<devil>kop: for intel, I#d probably use i915.modeset=0
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19:04<devil>Jonny: to help with that, we need the pci-id. 'lspci -nn |grep -i net' will tell you
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19:05<Jonny>i got 2 results
19:06<devil>yeah, one is wireless
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19:06<devil>in the line you have something like xxx:yyy
19:06<Jonny>ah ok
19:06<devil>thats what we need (vendor-id and product-id)
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19:07<Jonny>im ont sure which is wirelss though
19:07<devil>Jonny: you can pastebin the output
19:08<Jonny>it has no internet though
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19:08<gezgin>mickj: My card is radeon and I have the following in short: 'echo options radeon modeset=0>/etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf'. If it does not suffice you might also consider something like the following: 'echo blacklist radeon>/etc/modprobe.d/disable-radeon.conf'.
19:09<devil>Jonny: what vendors and models are mentioned in the 2 lines?
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19:09<Jonny>00:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet [1039:0900] (rev 91)
19:09<Jonny>was first result
19:09<mickj>devil, kop, gezgin: Well, I'm not certain which file did the trick, but I edited i915-kms.conf and radeon-kms.conf in /etc/modprobe.d to say modeset=0 instead of =1, and now I got to a desktop. Thanks, people!
19:10<devil>wrong one
19:10<devil>mickj: after some future kernel upgrade you will have to revert that.
19:10<gezgin>mickj: Have fun.
19:10<mickj>devil: I will keep it in mind.
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19:11<Jonny>devil: do you mean I gave wrong information or the other result is the wireless
19:12<devil>Jonny: the latter
19:12<Jonny>ok for the second result: [10ec:8139]
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19:14<Jonny>in case it matters, the full result for the second was: 00:08.0 Ehternet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
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19:17<Jonny>i had ubuntu before, i wanted to try something else. Although I haven't used linux in a while. Getting wireless to work was always a pain in the butt
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19:20<Jonny>em, anyone there?
19:20<devil>yeah, its a RTL-8139. you need to install firmware-realtek. that is nonfree
19:20<devil>so, you have to edit your sources.list to enablen non-free
19:21<devil>i gotta run, its quite late. someone else will guide you from here
19:21<Jonny>alright, thanks for your help
19:21<franklyn>no problem
19:22<Jonny>so is there anyone else that could help me?
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19:25<ml|>judd: pciid 10ec:8139
19:25<judd>[10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in squeeze. See also
19:27<Jonny>i have microsoft wireless thing, connects via USB, and I have the installation CD that has the drivers for it (for windows)
19:27<Jonny>once before I was able to get it working with NDISWrapper
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19:29<Jonny>but that was on ubuntu
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19:30<ml|>Jonny: /msg dselect non-free sources and install firmware-realtek like devil suggested
19:30<Black_Prince>8139 does not require any firmware
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19:32<Black_Prince>Jonny, what is your lsusb output when you have your wireless usb card plugged in.
19:33<Jonny>the line for the card is:
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19:33<ml|>yep Black_Prince is right, devil was mistaken
19:34<Black_Prince>I have two realtek 8139 in one box, both work without firmware.
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19:34<Black_Prince>One was about 5 euros ... Too damn cheap
19:34<Jonny>BUS 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00c2 Microsoft Corp. Wireless Adapter MN-710
19:34<Black_Prince>judd pciid 045e:00c2
19:34<judd>[045e:00c2] is 'MN-710 wireless USB paddle' from 'Microsoft' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
19:35<Black_Prince>Jonny, it looks like you will have to try with ndiswrapper again.
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19:36<Jonny>ok, i have anohter usb im using right now, i could try it and give u the lusb info on it, should I do that? i would lose internet for a little bit
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19:37<Black_Prince>Jonny, if necesary, then do it.
19:38<Jonny>i just mean, is there an easier way than ndiswrapper
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19:38<Jonny>if there were kernal modules for the other adapter
19:38<Black_Prince>For that one, no.
19:38<Black_Prince>Well, it's worth a try.
19:38<Jonny>ok itl be a second
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19:42<Jonnyb42>haha thx
19:42<Jonnyb42>im not jonnyb42...
19:42<Jonnyb42>here is lsusb
19:42<Jonnyb42>Bus 001 Device 006: ID 07d1:3b11 D-Link System DWA-130 802.lln Wireless N Adapter(rev.A1) [Marvell W8360USB]
19:43*leafar91 is away: Ausente por ahora
19:43<Black_Prince>judd pciid 07d1:3b11
19:43<judd>[07d1:3b11] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
19:44<Jonnyb42>so that means ndiswrapper for that one as well?
19:44<Black_Prince>So, you are out of luck. It looks that ndiswrapper is only way for you.
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19:44<Black_Prince>dpkg tell Jonnyb42 about ndiswrapper
19:44<Black_Prince>It's good starting point.
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19:47<Jonnyb42>lol oh that was the other me
19:48<Jonnyb42>which ndiswrapper files do i need to get on the debian comp? i see commands which use internet
19:48*leafar91 is back.
19:49<Black_Prince>Oh, that'd do lot of packages.
19:49<Black_Prince>Tell me what debian version are you using?
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19:50<Jonnyb42>um, well i just downloaded today, so the newest i assume? which command would i use
19:50<Jonnyb42>sorry I am a linux newbie
19:51<Black_Prince>And you don't have any other way of getting online than with wireless?
19:51<Black_Prince>Not good.
19:53<Jonnyb42>well i might be able to give it internet through my phone
19:54<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, it will require about 15 (50+ MB all of them) packages to download. How did you install Debian? What image did you download?
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19:55<Jonnyb42>i got the CD image through bittorent on my windows computer, and burnt it to a disk
19:55<Jonnyb42>CD 1 from here:
19:55<Black_Prince>DVD or CD?
19:56<Black_Prince>Ah, CD`1
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19:57<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, it will be very hard without internet connection, because I don't think that CD1 provides necesary packages to install ndiswrapper without accessing mirrors.
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19:57<Jonnyb42>i see
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19:58<Jonnyb42>well im trying to give it internet right now through my phone, but it probably won't go through
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19:58<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, I guess you will need network manager for that, which is on CD4 I think.
19:59<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, there is a way. But it's too hard even for advanced user.
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20:00<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, Debian is still installed, right?
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20:02<Black_Prince>On the same machine you are currently on?
20:02<Jonnyb42>no, a seperate computer
20:02<Black_Prince>And is there any other linux distro that computer?
20:02<Jonnyb42>no its pure debian right now
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20:03<Black_Prince>You could use Ubuntu Live CD if you can connect to internet with it, and then chroot into debian, and install everything you need. That is the hard way.
20:03<Jonnyb42>what is chroot?
20:04<Black_Prince>Change root filesystem to debians ... It's done via terminal.
20:04<Jonnyb42>oh *change root
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20:06<Jonnyb42>i remember i got ndiswrapper before by downloading some package, and taking it over to the computer and running some commands
20:08<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, problem is that it is not only one package. There are several of them.
20:08<Jonnyb42>how come they aren't grouped together?
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20:09<Black_Prince>You will need compilers, kernel headers, development headers, make utility, kernel module for dkms and dkms utils.
20:09<Black_Prince>They are not installed by default.
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20:09<Black_Prince>It is hard to track down all dependencies
20:09<Black_Prince>I told you before, there are about 15 packages.
20:09<Jonnyb42>its ok i think when I can hook up the computer with ethernet I will continue this
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20:10<Black_Prince>Jonnyb42, sure.
20:10<Jonnyb42>maybe tomorrow
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20:10<Jonnyb42>but what do i do once i have ethernet connected?
20:10<Black_Prince>There is a wiki page dpkg msg'd you before
20:10<dpkg>NDISwrapper enables use of Windows XP network device drivers in Linux (x86 and x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver available, consider using that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> or see to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. #ndiswrapper on
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20:11<Jonnyb42>ok so on the debian ndiswrapper page it gives instructions how to get it
20:11<Black_Prince>Yeah, but those instructions require internet connection and configured sources.list
20:12<Jonnyb42>so ill look at that when i get internet
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20:13<Jonnyb42>thanks for the help!
20:14<Black_Prince>you welcome
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20:15<Jonnyb42>are u a linux pro
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20:17<Black_Prince>I just know little more than average.
20:17<Jonnyb42>alright cool
20:17<Jonnyb42>what do you think of windows
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20:18<Black_Prince>I started on it, so that's enough. Anyways, that is not a topic for this channel.
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20:19<daemonkeeper>Jonnyb42: This channel is strictly dedicated to Debian support. If you want to discuss about Linux in general or do social chats, feel free to ask in #debian-offtopic or any other channel having a more general purpose
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20:20<eanthonyallen>can i automount a samba share on login?
20:20<eanthonyallen>or on boot?
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20:20<daemonkeeper>eanthonyallen: Just add it to your /etc/fstab
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20:25<Jonnyb42>ok well thanks again, I'll be back some time
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20:57<eanthonyallen>daemonkeeper: so it just takes a mount command?
20:57<eanthonyallen>can I try that first?
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20:58<daemonkeeper>mount -t smbfs //server/name /location -o flags,notably,username=,and,password=
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21:03<eanthonyallen>daemonkeeper: ok
21:03<eanthonyallen>daemonkeeper: smbf is deprecated please migrate to cifs
21:04<daemonkeeper>So, do that. Its probably the same for you anyway. Just replace smbfs by cifs
21:04<eanthonyallen>let me check on that pw/un combo
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21:51<kruz>I'm wondering if anyone can give me any insight into this. I'm running Debian 32bit Squeeze (originally Lenny) Everything was working fine with Lenny and when I did the update to Squeeze, I had to reinstall the nvidia drivers, which was fine. Now I have no sound and I don't even show a sound card.
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21:53<Black_Prince>kruz, pastebin your lspci -nn
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21:54<kruz>sorry it took long. I'm on a stupid windows box. I couldn't remember how to copy and paste lol... highlight middle click wtf?!
21:55<Black_Prince>judd pciid 1102:0002
21:55<judd>[1102:0002] is 'SB Live! EMU10k1' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module.
21:56<Black_Prince>kruz, pastebin output of lsmod | grep snd-emu10k1
21:56<dvs>kruz: paste "lsmod | grep snd"
21:56<kruz>no output
21:56<Black_Prince>It looks like that device requires firmware.
21:56<Black_Prince>kruz, do what dvs said
21:56<kruz>first command did no output
21:57<kruz>snd does, 1 sec. Yeah I had the module installed pre-update. But when I was doing lspci -v I wasn't seeing the soundblaster
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21:59<Black_Prince>kruz, when you installed lenny, did your sound worked out of the box?
22:00<kruz>I installed Lenny so long ago... /: I think all I did was alsaconf and unmuted the speakers in alsamixer ... I don't remember installing the sound driver
22:00<kruz>I've got several boxes with debian though, so i'm not totally sure
22:00<Black_Prince>kruz, run alsamixer again
22:00<Black_Prince>And see if anything is muted.
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22:01<Black_Prince>Check for any ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf files.
22:01<kruz>No I can't. It gives a : cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
22:02<kruz>aplay: device_list:235: no soundcards found...
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22:02<kruz>I do remember having to create the audio group or just having to add the users to the audio group because the sound worked for root but not anyone else. I use this box to play movies for my son (:
22:03<Black_Prince>kruz, there is problem with driver.
22:03<Black_Prince>What kernel version are you using?
22:03<kruz>Linux minuit 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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22:04<Black_Prince>kruz, do rmmod snd-emu10k1 && modprobe snd-emu10k1
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22:06<kruz>module is in use so I can't "remove" it. trying to find a command on forcing or unloading it
22:07<Black_Prince>It is rmmod -f and it is in use by snd-emu10k1-synth
22:07<kruz>yeah I tried -f and it can't either ERROR: Removing 'snd_emu10k1': Resource temporarily unavailable
22:08<kruz>can I modify a config somewhere and drop it to init 1 or something?
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22:08<Black_Prince>Do you have pulseaudio, jackd, esd running?
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22:10<kruz>I don't see them running with ps and I don't have any other the above installed except maybe esd libesd0 <~ that's all that has esd installed when I run an aptitude search
22:11<Black_Prince>kruz, what's the output of cat /proc/asound/cards
22:11<kruz>--- no soundcards ---
22:11<Black_Prince>kruz, look at dmesg and see if there is anything strange about emu10k1
22:12<kruz>yeah: [ 8.385654] EMU10K1_Audigy 0000:02:02.0: PCI INT ?: no GSI [ 8.385846] EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -16
22:15<Black_Prince>kruz, indeed it looks like you need firmware
22:16<Black_Prince>Alsa is at 1.0.23 at squeeze, so you may want to download that version.
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22:17<kruz>oh... good thing I didn't copy the firmware yet lol. I downloaded and compiled the 1.20 version. let me find the updated one
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22:21<kruz>I installed the firmware and it's in the process of coming back up. I'm trying to see if it will load without an error this time.
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22:24<kruz>Same issue with the firmware.
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22:25<dvs>kruz: I'd get a backported kernel.
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22:28<kruz>I'm just looking to see how long nouveau has been supported, cause that's what I'm currently using for my graphics card
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22:32<th>how to change the unit in gtk print dialog from inches to mms?
22:34<kruz>dvs: it's a P4, should I use linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-486
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22:35<Black_Prince>No way.
22:36<Black_Prince>i686 is introduced with Pentium II I think
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22:36<kruz>hmm... currently I have both i686 and i486 installed.
22:37<Black_Prince>And you booted 686 one?
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22:37<kruz>uhm, I only have a usb keyboard and it doesn't initialize usb until after it boots the OS, so I can't choose. It always boots with the i686
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22:42<th>something about usb legacy in bios setting can be used to initialize usb keyboard
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22:42<kruz>^_^ I know, but if your usb keyboard is the only interface you have, you can't enter the bios to enable it
22:43<kruz>I need to find an old ps2 keyboard in order to do it
22:44<kruz>lol, I know I did the same thing actually, I rebooted and started tapping F2 >.<
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22:49<kruz>Installed the 2.6.38-bpo.2-686, reinstalled the 1.0.23 firmware and nada.. /: I'm going to try the 1.0.20 firmware and then maybe try an older kernel
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22:57<kruz>crap... I just removed the 2.6.26 kernel. I tried to reinstall it and I'm getting an E: Package 'linux-image-2.6.26-2-686' has no installation candidate
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23:03<kruz>Thanks for all your help guys. I gotta go. Hopefully I'll figure it out soon
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