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---Logopened Mon Jun 27 00:00:09 2011
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00:17<canaima>no entiendo estooooo
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00:21<shiloh25>Good Evening
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00:21<knigel>good morning
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01:13<opalepatrick>Hello, I have been using debian 6 for a bit, wired network connection just installed. NO problem. However, I would like to install a usb wi-fi capability and noticed that there isn't an obvious network manager.
01:13<opalepatrick>I installed network manager but it looks like I need wpa-supplicant as well
01:13<opalepatrick>Before I break anything... would this be correct?
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01:15<opalepatrick>or do I alter the /etc/network/interfaces file
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01:30<febus>hello all
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01:47<opalepatrick>any takers?
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01:50<nevyn>network-manager should drag in all it's dependancies automatically
01:50<nevyn>but network manager doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces
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01:53<lifulinghan>hello anyoe
01:53<lifulinghan>hello anyone
01:54<opalepatrick>Thanks nevyn - I did install Network Manager but it just wouldn't pick up any connections
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01:55<opalepatrick>MInd you I didnt install via synaptic so maybe it was missing other dependencies
01:55<lifulinghan>how do you connect the internet
01:57<opalepatrick>nevyn will it override the /etc/network/interfaces file? Or just leave it alone in the background?
01:58<opalepatrick>lifulinghan, you probably need to be a bit more specific
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01:59<opalepatrick>I am no expert but I set my internet connection on install (debian 6) squeeze
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02:06<amanfromtheinternet>Hello. I'm trying to make a shortcut to /var/www from upper panel, but it says 'Could not open location'. Why?
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02:07<nevyn>opalepatrick: it'll ignore it.
02:07<nevyn>how did you instlal it if not via synaptic?
02:07<opalepatrick>aptitude install etc
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02:08<opalepatrick>You are right, it does install a pile of dependencies
02:08<opalepatrick>but it still didnt pick up the existing network
02:09<opalepatrick>Obviously something isnt right (probably me :-) )
02:09<nevyn>had you modified /etc/network/interfaces?
02:09<opalepatrick>no left it alone nevyn
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02:10<opalepatrick>When I uninstalled it, it reverted to the interfaces file no problem
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02:11<opalepatrick>amanfromtheinternet, could it be because it is owned by root?
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02:52<janmejay>need help with ubuntu
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04:29<theo_>Hi ?
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04:30<devil>theo_: if you have aquestion, just ask
04:30<theo_>Hi ?!
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04:57<infinite>Hi There
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05:00<Guest6404>I am trying to compile E17 using, it has not been easy. For some reason the global header files are not recognized, I have to manually edit each "C" filer and add like </usr/include/glib/gtypes.h> instead of just <glib/gtypes.h>
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05:01<cwstephenson>Hello... I have a question, prollyt a noobie question but....
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05:03<cwstephenson>I am using Unbuntu 10.x and Windows 7 on a netbook. Since I installed unbuntu, the boot loader/menu won't let me log into windows. it gives me some weird error. it goes so fast I can'[t see what the error is. Any ideas? or can someone give me a example or give me a snipet of how my glib should look like?
05:04<devil>!tell cwstephenson ubuntuirc
05:04<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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05:05<cwstephenson>thanks, sorry..
05:05<devil>no problem
05:05<Guest6404>Does anyone have a solution to my problem
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05:06<qinbo>hi all, how can I know the package belong which mirror?
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05:08<themill>qinbo: "apt-cache policy packagename"
05:10<qinbo>themill, this is answer, thank you
05:11<devil>Guest6404: there is probably better channels than this one
05:11<devil>qinbo: apt-cache policy <package>
05:11<devil>ups, too late
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05:12<qinbo>devil, aha, the same thanks to you
05:12<Guest6404>Which channel shoudl I use?
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05:12<devil>Guest6404: e17 probably has its own channel
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05:14<Guest6404>devil, Thanks, I will look into e17
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05:18<dpkg>Enlightenment is an advanced <window manager> for X11. DR16 (Development Release) is packaged for Lenny and Squeeze as e16, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #619707. DR17 is packaged as e17 in unstable. The Debian packages from are not supported in #debian. #e on
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05:45<roger>Hi I'm trying to upgrade to 6.0.2, having an issue with e2fsprogs
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05:48<roger>e2fsprogs failed to upgrade and is broken. I tried a reinstall but no luck. Can anyone suggest how I can get my upgrade back on track?
05:50<sosaited>roger, Upgrade from 5?. Have you tried "sudo apt-get purge e2fsprogs" and then installing again?
05:50<roger>No, upgrade from 6.0.1 :(
05:50<roger>I will try purging, however I don't have much hope.
05:51<roger>Hmm, big warning, this is an essential package.
05:52<roger>Got the same thing when I tried to remove. I'm not really comfortable with this.
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05:52<sosaited>roger, Of course it is. But as long as you don't restart the computer before you install it again. You'll be fine
05:52<gnugr>roger: try to install from there " " it might works
05:53<sosaited>gnugr, but since he is getting broken package warning. Must be some messed up config files or binaries, NO?
05:53<roger>gnugr, you'll have to spell that out a little more. Do I put that in sources.list or???
05:53<gnugr>dpkg is broken?
05:53<dpkg>no idea, gnugr
05:53<sosaited>gnugr, LOL. no his installation of e2fsprogs
05:53<roger>I assume dpkg is fine, aptitude just upgraded several packages.
05:54<sosaited>gnugr, roger> e2fsprogs failed to upgrade and is broken.
05:54<themill>roger: the exact command that fails and the entire output in a pastebin would be handy
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05:54<gnugr>what if he tries manual?
05:55<roger>OK. Where is that debian cut-paste thing?
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05:56<roger>web address of debian cut-and-paste facility please?
05:56<sosaited>From personal experience of "broken X pacakge" Complete remove and then install, which is same as purge, works
05:57<Blackleo_handy>Moin debianer
05:58<sosaited>Is it recommended to compile git x264 with --enable-static or shared?
05:58<roger>Sorry just struggling with "screen"
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06:01<roger>Had a look, seems like /usr/share/locale/tr doesn't exist.
06:02<gnugr>roger: run this command and then try to reinstall it "mv /var/lib/dpkg/available{,_bkp}" followed by "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
06:03<roger>OK so this is refreshing some kind of "available" list?
06:03<roger>Sorry, I like to understand stuff if I can. I really appreciate the help.
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06:03<themill>why would rebuilding available help?
06:03<gnugr>will rid off of dump things
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06:07<roger>Tried rebuilding, no change.
06:07<gnugr>did dpkg update?
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06:08<gnugr>and still can't be installed?
06:08<roger>what does /usr/share/locale/tr contain? The other directories look like languages (de, en_GB etc.)
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06:09<roger>Presumably this is some language I haven't installed, but e2fsprogs assumes I have for some incomprenhensible reason?
06:10<gnugr>try " dpkg-reconfigure locales "
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06:11<sml>does the Debian IRC server accept SSL connection?
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06:12<noclue>yes it does
06:13<noclue>port 6667 and 9999 iirc
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06:13<sml>TLS on 6667 SSL on 9999 ?
06:13<noclue>welcher client?
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06:14<roger>error from dpkg-configure locales: tr_TR.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `tr_TR': No such file or directory
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06:16<gnugr>roger: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" not "dpkg-configure locales"
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06:17<roger>yes sorry I did do dpkg-reconfigure.
06:17<sml>might try it
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06:17<gnugr>roger: read this " "
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06:26<roger>OK since this seems to be a locale-related issue, I'm reinstalling locales.
06:27<roger>Or at least, I would, if it didn't depend on e2fsprogs.
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06:32<roger>OK I've created the "missing" directory and we'll see what happens (don't like htis but I don't see too much choice)
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06:34<Lantizia>Hey is there a way I can install a 2nd version of a package I already have installed?
06:34<roger>OK e2fsprogs has installed so I have at least got a system on which I can reinstall packages now.
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06:36<daemonkeeper>Lantizia: Not, if this is not explicitly supported. What are you trying to achieve?
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06:37<Lantizia>daemonkeeper, I want package X version 1 installed and package X version 2 installed :S
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06:37<christ13>bonjour a tous j'ais une petite question ca fais plus d'un moi que je n'arrive pas a configurer une carte wifi pcmcia linksys et j'ais fait presque tous les site sur le sujet et surtout google et autre merci de votre aide
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06:37<daemonkeeper>Lantizia: Got that. But this depends on the particular package X.
06:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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06:38<Lantizia>Daemon, well the package doesn't support it no - so what are my options?
06:38<christ13>oki thx
06:38<Lantizia>they install their binaries to the same place - it doesn't do "alternatives" if that is what you mean
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06:38<daemonkeeper>christ13: /join #debian-fr
06:39<christ13>oups thx
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06:39<daemonkeeper>Lantizia: No, I meant some packages are versioned in its name, for example python, the kernel and others. Those can be installed concurrenty. Others don't.
06:39<Lantizia>well this isn't versioned in its name
06:40<daemonkeeper>So its not supported by Debian and you are on your own, most likely because nobody saw any reason to do what you are trying to do :)
06:41<Lantizia>can't I put it into a jail or something (I know little about this method)
06:41<daemonkeeper>You can, but you need much more than this single package in it
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06:41<daemonkeeper>Alternatively you can install the other version yourself in /usr/local/whatever
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06:43<Lantizia>daemonkeeper, how do I tell dpkg to use local?
06:43<daemonkeeper>You can't use apt/dpkg for this
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06:44<roger>Lantizia, I think people will be able to help you better if you say what you are trying to achieve and why you think you need to install 2 versions of the same package to achieve it?
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06:44<Lantizia>I do not need to say why I think I need two versions
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06:45<Zaba>it could be that your problem is X and you think Y is the solution, even though that isn't necessarily. But instead of asking how to achieve X, you ask about Y.
06:45<Zaba>and we can only guess
06:46<Zaba>not optimal, if you ask me
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06:46<daemonkeeper>Indeed, but that's Lantizia's problem. I told about the general solution, which may or may not work.
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06:46<daemonkeeper>Everything else can't be discussed without further knowledge
06:46<Lantizia>I do not need advice on why I am attempting to achieve this, only on how
06:47<Zaba>good luck getting help then
06:47<daemonkeeper>Well Lantizia, you can think whatever you want, but you want US to help YOU
06:47<nadir>+1 to Zaba. your choice, Lantizia.
06:47*Zaba stops caring
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06:47<roger>Lantizia, we cannot require you to say what you are trying to achieve. But people may choose not to help you if you refuse.
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06:48<Lantizia>well I already had it manually installed, was hoping dpkg would having _something_ for multiple package versions, but obviously it's not that advanced
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06:49<rpetre>Lantizia: trolling and bashing won't get you any help, better explain what your problem really is
06:49<sml>well I'm all SSL'd up now :)
06:49<Lantizia>I'm not doing either, I'm concluding
06:49<Zaba>we don't even know what your problem is, we only know what *you* think is the solution and we have no idea how relevant it *really* is to your problem
06:50<Lantizia>I do not need to explain why I'd like both versions on my system - I already know I want both versions
06:50<sml>Zaba: it sounds like you've worked in support before ;-)
06:50<Zaba>Lantizia, then tell us *why*
06:50<Lantizia>The question is not about the package, but rather about Debians package management
06:50<Lantizia>Zaba, so you can go off topic? No
06:50<rpetre>Lantizia: i've only seen the last 5 minutes of the conversation, but i get the impression you have a number of wrong assumptions about how the package system works
06:51<Zaba>Lantizia, oh, so helping you is not the topic now?
06:51<Lantizia>rpetre, I just had something in the back of my mind about installing packages into a jail of some kind (seen this done with bind in the past)
06:51<daemonkeeper>As I said, Debian supports versioned packages for certain packages where maintainers think it would make sense. For your packages this is not the case obviously.
06:51<Lantizia>which I was hoping would allow both packages to co-exist
06:51<Lantizia>No one just ends up replacing the other
06:52<rpetre>Lantizia: unless you make a specific chroot (with debootstrap, for instance), there is no generic way of doing this with the same package manager (dpkg or others i'm aware of)
06:53<Lantizia>fair enough, case closed
06:53<rpetre>so unless you get to specifics, there is no generic solution to your generic problem
06:53<Lantizia>specifics about what package will not help
06:53<rpetre>no need to bash people
06:53<rpetre>Lantizia: it might
06:53<Lantizia>I haven't bashed anyone
06:53<daemonkeeper>*sigh* We can stop this discussion now. Please.
06:53<rpetre>daemonkeeper: you're right, sorry
06:54<Lantizia>if anything I'm being bullied in to disclosing irrelevant information!
06:54<Zaba>it's not irrelevant, but you seem to consistently refuse to understand that
06:54<Zaba>did I mention, good luck?
06:54<Lantizia>by the way my shoe size is 11, does this help?
06:55<Lantizia>UK sizes by the way :P
06:55<Zaba>Lantizia, do you want your problem solved or no?
06:55<Zaba>if no, then stop bringing it up. If yes, answer the damned questions.
06:55<Lantizia>I'm not the one continuing the conversation! I got my answers agesago
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07:04<cafenet>hey guys i set up my printer thru windows share and already installed samba but when i send print job i need to turn off and on my printer yet it works fine on windows
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07:07<roger>OK I think I have worked out what happened for me to make e2fsprogs fail.
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07:08<roger>It seems that since I last upgraded, someone has been working hard adding Turkish support to various packages, where there were none before.
07:08<roger>This means the packages need to add files to /usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/
07:09<roger>Packages ought to check if this directory exists and create it if it doesn't, however it seems e2fsprogs doesn't do this properly for some reason.
07:09<roger>As it happened, when I upgraded, e2fsprogs was upgraded first and failed for this reason. If the directory already existed, upgrade will proceed fine.
07:09<roger>Does this make sense?
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07:54<antodaniel>My system is ubuntu
07:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:55<cthuluh>now if you have a question about debian... :)
07:55<antodaniel>Ubuntu 11.04. Can anyone knows how to add xchat irc icon in panel
07:56<mihau>hello, I've got 2 machines, one ip, using a tp-link router to split the network; forwarder (in the router) ports for ssh (one machine's got 22, the other has 18); one port is added to known_hosts, but while trying to connect with other port I get error about changed RSA key
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07:56<mihau>is it possible to add 2 ports to known_hosts?
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07:57<cthuluh> A hostname or address may optionally be enclosed within `[' and `]'
07:57<cthuluh> brackets then followed by `:' and a non-standard port number.
07:58<cthuluh>in man sshd, section SSH_KNOWN_HOSTS file format
07:58<mihau>thanks, gonna take a look
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08:00<juliopeppe>hi for all
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08:08<seeS>hello antodaniel
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08:21<kusanagi>The following packages have been kept back: cheese cheese-common.
08:21<kusanagi>Does anybody know why this packages are being kept back?
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08:22<arand>kusanagi: "aptitude why-not cheese"
08:23<kusanagi>Unable to find a reason to remove cheese
08:23<kusanagi>arand, awesome command btw. i did not know that one!
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08:24<kusanagi>ok, why instead of why-not did give an answer ;)
08:24<grove>We have gotten IPv6 on this network, anyont know how to enable Privacy extensions (RFC4941) on Squeeze?
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08:27<themill>!kept back
08:27<dpkg>somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see Ask me about <full-upgrade>.
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08:33<dpkg>[updates] Ask me about <point release>, <proposed-updates>, <security>, <squeeze-updates> See also <apticron>, <cron-apt>.
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08:34<dpkg>The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>.
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08:37<vvas>guys, with regard to bug #629534: can anyone comment on whether it's definitely been solved?
08:38<vvas>i don't want to dist-upgrade only to find out that my system stops working :^/
08:38<Clusterfusk>Attempting to compile fglrx -
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08:45<nodisc>Hi all, I still have that problem on my netbook: unable to resume from suspend, the LCD backlight doesnt come up, wifi LED stays off, not responding at all. The hard drive spins up, as well as the cpu fan. I have some info here: If you have ideas they will be welcome. Thanks
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08:47<nodisc>Clusterfusk, have you tried installing fglrx this way: fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-control radeontool ?
08:48<nodisc>the dkms system will compile the module automatically
08:48<Black_Prince>nodisc: you still haven't fixed that problem with resume?
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08:49<Black_Prince>I always say that installing with --no-install-recommends is sometimes bad idea
08:49<nodisc>tried lots of fixes, none will work
08:50<nodisc>--no-install-recommends is not in question. I also tried a regular install.
08:51<Clusterfusk>nodisc - E: Unable to locate package fglrx-glx-ia32
08:52<Black_Prince>,versions fglrx-gls-ia32
08:52<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-gls-ia32' was found in i386.
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08:52<Black_Prince>,versions fglrx-glx-ia32
08:52<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-glx-ia32' was found in i386.
08:53<Black_Prince>,versions fglrx-glx-ia32 --arch amd64
08:53<devil>vvas: it is solved.
08:53<judd>Package fglrx-glx-ia32 on amd64 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:11-4-2~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:11-4-2; experimental/non-free: 1:11-6-1; sid/non-free: 1:11-6-2
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08:53<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: that one is only available for amd64 and is in non-free repository
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08:56<vvas>devil: thanks!
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08:56<Clusterfusk>ok, so nodisc assumed I'm on a 64-bit system. is the rest of the package list correct?
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08:57<luisa>ke tal
08:57<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: I didn't saw the list
08:57<Black_Prince>!es luisa
08:57<dpkg>luisa: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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08:57<luisa>aa ok
08:58<luisa>how are you?
08:58<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: (08:47:56 AM) nodisc: Clusterfusk, have you tried installing fglrx this way: fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-control radeontool
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08:58<Clusterfusk>lol autoban
08:59<nodisc>Clusterfusk, yes ia32 is only for 64-bit systems. The rest should be ok
08:59<Clusterfusk>thank you
08:59<nodisc>You're welcome. Hope it works
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09:00<Black_Prince>Also fglrx-driver is only available for amd64
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09:05<nodisc1>i'm back. damn lightning.
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09:08<sml>nodisc1: No UPS?
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09:11<nodisc1>not on my isp's dsl router
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09:12<sml>nodisc1: tie a knot in the cable ;-)
09:12<sml>lil' trick of induction
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09:18<nodisc1>no harm, my main breaker just shut off. I'll try knots in the cable when I want to see nice fireworks
09:18<nodisc1>hi daemon
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09:19<nodisc1>so, still no idea about that suspend problem? I don't even see to what it's related. ACPI? video driver? no clue
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09:19<Daemon>what prob
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09:20<nodisc1>uh.. my netbook won't resume from suspend to ram. No LCD backlight, wifi led off, the drive spins up as well as the CPU fan, but it's not responding at all.
09:20<nodisc1>I have listed some info here:
09:21<Daemon>so you are using windows i see
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09:22<nodisc1>no, not at all.
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09:22<devil>nodisc1: do you get any ACPI errors at early boottime?
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09:23<nodisc1>devil: no errors at boot time, nothing particular in /var/log/kern.log too
09:23<nodisc1>where should i look?
09:23<devil>nodisc1: is bootlogd enabled?
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09:24<devil>nodisc1: /etc/default/bootlogd
09:25<Daemon>maight be laptop firmware prob
09:25<nodisc1>devil: No, it's off. Should I enable it and reboot ?
09:25<devil>nodisc1: yes, maybe you can catch some errors that are to fast to read
09:26<nodisc1>btw I have the same proble on another laptop (old Dell) but that's another story
09:26<nodisc1>ok I'll try now. brb
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09:29<Black_Prince>nodisc: I don't know if this relates to you, but it is something about acpi and squeeze
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09:31<nodisc>Black_prince: you mean the 5.1.6 section. I may check but I don't think it's related
09:31<sml>is freenode a seperate IRC network to this? I thought it was one and the same?
09:32<nodisc>Also, nothing special in boot log
09:32<Black_Prince>sml: freenode != oftc
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09:34<nodisc>devil: are resume events logged somewhere? I thought it was in /var/log/pm-suspend.log but there's nothing about resuming there.
09:35<devil>nodisc: /var/log/pm-suspend.log is correct. but more general: does dmesg | less show anything suspicious?
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09:40<nodisc>devil: dmesg shows nothing suspicious: Don't care about those ugly wlan driver messages, they're not a problem, I still have the suspend problem when I blacklist it
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09:41<nodisc>may there be a serious problem at line 224 in my paste?
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09:41<devil>nodisc: in line 4: nomodeset acpi_sleep=s3_bios,s3_mode acpi_osi=Linux <== did you set those?
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09:42<nodisc>devil: yes, I did, in an attempt to solve the problem
09:43<devil>nodisc: nomodeset makes not much sense with 2.6.39
09:43<nodisc>devil: i saw that, kms is still in use
09:44<nodisc>note that I have tried with 3 different kernels (2.6.32 2.6.38 2.6.39)
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09:45<devil>nodisc: cat /var/log/messages |grep -i error would be a nice paste
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09:45<petemc>!uuoc devil
09:45*dpkg hands devil the "useless use of cat" award
09:45<nodisc>Daemon: what would be that firmware problem you were talking about?
09:46<devil>petemc: :)
09:46<nodisc>Sure. I do it now.
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09:49<nodisc>grep -i error /var/log/messages :)
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09:51<devil>nodisc: ok, basicaly 2 errors, repeated.
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09:52<devil>nodisc: did you ever google those errors? (for the one with ACPI Error: Method parse/execution, leeve the (node:...) stuff out)
09:53<devil>nodisc: i gotta run in a few, but from what i see, you have a lot to read
09:53<devil>nodisc: maybe it leads to something
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09:54<nodisc>devil: thanks, at least i have something to follow now.
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10:17<sml>sudo !! , is the coolest command ever!
10:17<Black_Prince>There is some serious problem about adding usb drives as cdroms when installing ...
10:17<Black_Prince>I've seen many complains and problems with that ... doh
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10:17<Black_Prince>sudo is cool, but su is kewl
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10:18<Clusterfusk>"aticonfig: No supported adapters detected" lspci -v
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10:19<Black_Prince>ATI? What has intel to do with ati :O
10:20<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: ATI is intel, last I heard
10:20<Black_Prince>so as Mercedes is Ford ...
10:20<Clusterfusk>all I know is there was an ATI sticker on this when we bought it
10:21<nodisc>Clusterfusk, i think ATI is AMD
10:21<abrotman>Clusterfusk: lspci -nn is more useful
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10:21<akerl>Clusterfusk: Have you noticed that the last batch of ATI cards now say AMD
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10:22<Clusterfusk>well then I need to have a talk with HP about the stickers they put on this
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10:22<akerl>? What sticker is on it?
10:22<Clusterfusk>If you'd paid attention, I said ATI
10:22<akerl>And what card is in it?
10:22<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: could you provide us with lspci -nn output.
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10:26<sml>got a quickie. joomla. wordpress. etc. they come as Debian packages? And how does one update them ?
10:26<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: it is Intel, no ATI there
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10:27<Clusterfusk>Wait, I'm starting to wonder if my n00b brother stuck an extra sticker on there thinking he was being helpful to remind us what was in it.
10:27<Clusterfusk>he's always getting this stuff wrong
10:27<Black_Prince>sml: there is wordpress in repository
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10:27<bremner>what's a good way to convert a color pdf to black and white?
10:27<sml>oh really. cool. are updates done the typical Debian way?
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10:28<Black_Prince>sml: probbably. I do not use them tough.
10:28<blackbeard>hey guys want help with backtrack
10:28<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
10:28<sml>Black_Prince: i'd like NOT to use them but trying to help some friends out that need hosting
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10:31<Black_Prince>sml: if it is packaged as deb, I guess it is updated debian-way ...
10:32<Black_Prince>nodisc: you there?
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10:33<Clusterfusk>While I'm here, what is it that makes the difference between gksu requiring the user's password, or the root password? I started with CLI and installed gnome-desktop later, and can't use gksu because it apparently wants the root password.
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10:34<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: gksu uses root password while gksudo uses users password
10:34<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: if configured to use sudo, that is
10:34<nodisc>Black_Prince: yep
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10:35<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: so, gksu needs to be reconfigured to use sudo by default, right?
10:36<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: as I said, gksu command requires root password, gksudo command requires user password if is user configured to use sudo.
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10:38<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: are you trying to tell me that gksu is not capable of accepting the user's password and is only capable of using the root password?
10:39<nodisc>Black_Prince: sounds interesting. I will have to find a way to use the no-chvt fix, because kms disables pm-suspend quirks: . Maybe at grub command line. Thnaks anyway that looks promising.
10:40<Clusterfusk>That's counter-indicated by the fact that on every debian and debian-based system on which I install the gnome-desktop with the initial system uses the user password for gksu.
10:42<akerl>Clusterfusk: Or you set the same password for root and first user...
10:42<bremner>or not setting a root password in debian-install
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10:44<Clusterfusk>no. login as root is disabled on all systems that I've installed, and there are multiple users with different passwords using gksu(I don't think there can be more than one root password.)
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10:46<bremner>note that gdm might disable root logins, but they are not disabled by default on the console.
10:46<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: /usr/bin/gksu-properties
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10:50<Clusterfusk>bremner: I selected "no" rather than the default "yes" when asked to enable login as root in the expert install mode.
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10:50<bremner>Clusterfusk: ok, that explains the sudo-centric behaviour you see, I expect.
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10:51<bremner>I've never selected that, so I can't be 100% certain.
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10:53<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: using that to select "sudo" rather than "su" did not change the apparent behavior. Does it require a gdm restart to take effect?
10:54<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: I have no idea, I never messed with it.
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10:55<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: Nevermind. I was in a sudo'd shell when I entered that. exiting sudo beforehand fixed it. thanks.
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10:59<Clusterfusk>Alright, so I'm still working on getting to correct drivers for my apparently Intel display adapter, and I don't see a binary in the repository. I checked the Intel site, and they reccomend getting it here ( but I don't know what to do with a git repository.
11:00<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: those drivers are already in repository ...
11:00<valdyn>Clusterfusk: why dont you use the debian packages?
11:00<Clusterfusk>But I can't find it.
11:00<Clusterfusk>valdyn: I said I can't find it
11:00<valdyn>!tell Clusterfusk -about search
11:01<valdyn>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
11:01<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; sid: 2:2.15.0-3; wheezy: 2:2.15.0-3
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11:01<Black_Prince>I'll brb
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11:03<Clusterfusk>Doesn't that family of drivers only provide 2d?
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11:04<valdyn>Clusterfusk: why would you think so?
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11:05<valdyn>Clusterfusk: i wonder what youre doing, the regular way to do this is "aptitude install xorg" and it will just work
11:06<valdyn>Clusterfusk: unless your intel chip is to new, in which case you might need a backport from wheezy or sid
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11:06<Clusterfusk>I've only ever seen "non-free" drivers providing 3d support. I'm used to Nvidia.
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11:07<Zaba>Clusterfusk, intel has no "non-free" drivers
11:07<valdyn>Clusterfusk: theres hardly any hardware with no free driver that supports 3D, not even nvidia
11:07<Zaba>Clusterfusk, also, your information is outdated. Radeon and nouveau both have _some_ 3d support these days.
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11:08<Zaba>valdyn, well, newer amd chipsets tend not to work exactly well with radeon
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11:09<Clusterfusk>Well, I've had outdated hardware until now.
11:09<Clusterfusk>so sue me
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11:11<Clusterfusk>*facepalm* I've spent hours trying to find the wrong drivers because some idiot put the wrong sticker on this computer, then when I find the right driver, it says it's already installed.
11:11<Clusterfusk>sorry for wasting everyone's time.
11:12<Clusterfusk>I'm not used to having new hardware, and made some dumb assumptions.
11:13*Clusterfusk throws ye olde Geforce 2 out.
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11:18<Clusterfusk>there's still something wrong
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11:28<Clusterfusk>I get this trying to run secondlife, and IIRC, it was caused by a lack of 3D support, but the drivers are apparently installed:
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11:30<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: I dont think that integrated intel cards have 3d support ... Mine does not have.
11:30<Gerowen>Does anybody else have an issue with Iceweasel where you will randomly be unable to select right click options? For example most times it's fine, sometimes I'll say right click a link, when I try to actually mouse over the context menu it disappears. Restarting Iceweasel fixes the issue.
11:30<Clusterfusk>SL runs fine in windows on this.
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11:32<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: all games run fine in windows. Intel drivers for windows use software rendering. EOF
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11:33<Clusterfusk>so, whoever here told me that the linux drivers for intel provide 3d support was wrong?
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11:34<Clusterfusk>Valdyn: are you sure this driver provides 3D?
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11:34<Black_Prince>Clusterfusk: did you read my post? I did not tell driver but card itself. If car driver is able to use 4wheel steering, he cannot use it in car that does not have that ... Fair enough.
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11:36<Clusterfusk>Black_Prince: you're not making any sense. if a driver is able to provide 3D support in Windows, it's possible for a driver to provide 3D support in linux.
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11:36<Daemon>can this help in any way
11:37<Clusterfusk>if "Intel drivers for windows use software rendering." then a driver for linux could potentially do the same.
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11:37<Bushmills>what does running glxinfo say?
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11:38<Bushmills>glxinfo|grep vendor, for the essentials
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11:39<Zaba>Black_Prince, uhm, integrated intel graphics _do_ have 3d support
11:40<Zaba>maybe old ones don't, I wouldn't know, but at least some provide acceleration
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11:40<Black_Prince>Zaba: maybe newer ones. Mine does not have ...
11:40<Zaba>Clusterfusk, pastebin glxinfo output
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11:41<Black_Prince>With 865G integrated card I was unable to run game that requires 64MB of memory but that one tells us to have "96MB available memory (shared)" doh
11:41<Zaba>oh, nice
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11:42<Zaba>Clusterfusk, can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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11:44<Clusterfusk>all 485 lines?
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11:47<Clusterfusk>(II) LoadModule: "glx" would indicate that the driver was correctly loaded, right?
11:48<Clusterfusk>there are no errors following it
11:48<Zaba>(II) Module glx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
11:48<Zaba> compiled for 7.5.0, module version = 1.0.0
11:48<Black_Prince>(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
11:48<Black_Prince>You have fglrx-glx installed :|
11:49<Zaba>Clusterfusk, uninstall fglrx-'*'
11:49<Clusterfusk>I thought I uninstalled that
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11:49<Clusterfusk>wait, let me restart x
11:49<Zaba>that, too
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11:49<Zaba>Black_Prince, not fglrx-glx, but fglrx-driver
11:49<Zaba>fglrx-glx is libGL
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11:51<Black_Prince>Well, both could cause problems.
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11:51<Clusterfusk>It's working now. I keep forgetting simple things today. I must be hungry or tired or something. -_-
11:51<Zaba>no problem
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11:51<Black_Prince>Next time you can try using nvidia drivers with intel card :-)
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11:52<Clusterfusk>That might actually work slightly better.
11:52<Zaba>doubtful :P
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11:53<Clusterfusk>I'm surprised I didn't try that, because my old one was Nvidia, and I keep forgetting which machine I'm using.
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11:53<Zaba>although.. I think they use alternatives or something instead of diversions, so maybe they'd just go unnoticed...
11:53<Zaba>never dealt with nvidia graphics on debian, though
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11:54<Clusterfusk>Zab: Nvidia has worked nicely on Debian, I'm actually sad to be giving my old machine away, since I've had such a good experience with it.
11:55<Zaba>I used to have a geforce4 4200 some millenium ago, but I used it with a non-debian linux system, which makes it off-topic :>
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11:56<Zaba>(it worked just great until one day I had to go hunting for a driver version that'd support it)
11:56<Clusterfusk>I don't really have problems even with ye olde Geforce 2.
11:56<Clusterfusk>even with drivers
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11:57<Clusterfusk>I guess that distribution doesn't have nearly as good support for legacy hardware.
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12:00<Clusterfusk>anyone here know if dd bs=1M uses MiB or MB?
12:00<Clusterfusk>groovy. thanks
12:00<Daemon>whats the dif
12:00<Zaba>MiB = 1024 KiB, MB = 1000 KB
12:00<Daemon>between MiB and MB
12:01<Zaba>some people argue that the mega prefix in the context of computers should mean 1024, and use it to mean that
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12:01<Zaba>it's all pretty confusing
12:01<Daemon>megabite and 1024 kilobites
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12:01<Clusterfusk>Daemon: KiB, MiB, GiB, etc are based on 2^10 rather than 1,000
12:01<Zaba>no, it's mibibytes and kibibytes, for 'binary'
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12:02<Zaba>but the usage of those prefixes is not really consistent
12:02<Zaba>bs=1M in dd copies exactly 1048576 bytes :)
12:02<Daemon>BYTE typo, thanks
12:02<Clusterfusk>Zaba: it's frustrating. it's even inconsistent is geek territory such as linux.
12:02<Daemon>english is not my main lenguage as you can see :)
12:02<Zaba>Clusterfusk, personally I don't care much, and just use bytes/sectors when precision is important :>
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12:03<Clusterfusk>zaba: matching a swap file to the size of my RAM.
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12:03<Zaba>Clusterfusk, oh, and bs=1MB will copy a SI megabyte, according to its manpage
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12:04<Zaba>likewise for other prefixes
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12:05<Daemon>so exact prefixes in computer sience (eng.) are Ki,Mi,Gi
12:05<wissem>is there no difference between penjdk-6-jdk and jdk from the java website?
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12:05<wissem>the one in .bin ?
12:05<themill>wissem: they are quite different -- check their licences
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12:06<Zaba>Daemon, not always
12:06<wissem>oh so I should install the other one for complete fonctions?
12:06<Zaba>Daemon, sometimes people say KB or kB but mean 1024 bytes
12:07<Daemon>as I learnt at school we use kB for kilobytes
12:07<Zaba>(let's start with the fact there is no such SI prefix as 'K')
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12:07<Daemon>it represents Kelvin
12:07<daemonkeeper>Kelvin is a SI unit, not a prefix.
12:07<Daemon>not a prefix thats true
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12:08<Zaba>Daemon, well, if you mean 1000 bytes, kilobyte is always correct. If you mean 1024 bytes, you could say either and, depending on the target audience, you might be understood, misunderstood or not understood---but most likely, all three in varying degrees.
12:08<Zaba>okay, the 'not understood' only applies to KiB.
12:08<Zaba>I hope
12:09<themill>no, the "not understood" also applies to kB and kilobyte.
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12:09<Clusterfusk>Daemon: 2^10 is mostly just important for usage in hardware, since most hardware is built using structures that make it only possible to assemble in exponential units like that.
12:09<Zaba>but with kilobytes and even megabytes, the error can often be disregarded. Trouble begins with gigabytes and higher.
12:09<Zaba>see also: HDD vendors
12:09<Daemon>i understand
12:09<Zaba>320GB is 298GB, go figure.
12:09<Daemon>using 2 as base
12:09<nyov>they should name it 'cb', for computer byte ;) so - kcb, mcb :P
12:10<Zaba>nyov, it wouldn't help people in adopting it
12:10<Zaba>moin koljan
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12:10<daemonkeeper>Well, there is a correct solution with the <prefix><i>. Its just nobody uses it.
12:10<Clusterfusk>Daemon yes, and we of course, use 2 as the base because of the binary nature of data storage.
12:11<Daemon>i understand that
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12:11<s_i_m>nyov, there is kibibyte, mebibyte, etc.
12:11<Clusterfusk>figured you would, since you indicated that you'd taken a computer science class
12:11<Zaba>daemonkeeper, worse: some people criticize it :>
12:11<nyov>daemonkeeper: but how about bit(s)? i always get confused with MB (apparently megaByte) and Mb (should be mega*bit*)
12:11<Zaba>daemonkeeper, and say, "kilo in computer context can and should be assumed to mean 1024" and so on
12:11<Daemon>i dont understand why to use 1000 insted of 1024 waht is natural couse its 2^10
12:12<Zaba>nyov, everything is clear there, B vs. b
12:12<s_i_m>however, for old school ppl 1 kB = 1024 B
12:12<nyov>Zaba: some wirte Mb and mean bytes. you can't trust it to mean bit
12:12<Zaba>Daemon, HDD vendors wanted to sell HDs that would appear to have more capacity that they really have
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12:12<Zaba>Daemon, e.g., 320GB sounds cool, but it's really 298GiB. Many people blindly assume 320GiB.
12:13<daemonkeeper>nyov: True. However in most contexts space is measured in byte and bandwidth in bit. Hence you can draw your conclusion out of the context.
12:13<Zaba>nyov, usually, when people mean bits, it can be understood from context relatively easily, though
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12:13<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:14<Clusterfusk>Daemon: use of 1000 was adopted for measuring file sizes/capacities so HDD manufacturers could scam newbies, but also so newbies can understand human-readable output similar to other metric measurements that use the same prefixes.
12:14<Daemon>if some1 needs help.. i think he will ask
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12:15<Clusterfusk>Yeah, I don't see the harm in having offtopic discussions where there isn't an ontopic discussion.
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12:16<anand>#join #ubuntu
12:16<Daemon>Clusterfusk, thats what i was saying
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12:16<Clusterfusk>i was agreeing
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12:17<s_i_m>Clusterfusk, I do not think many will support you here.
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12:17<nyov>it's not the questions, it's the ppl who want to answer, who get put off by reading that OT-nonsense when looking for questions, now take it to #debian-offtopic ;)
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12:17<nyov>me too
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12:18<Clusterfusk>Well, my part of the discussion has mostly been how it's used in linux.
12:19<Clusterfusk>Remember, it even started with "anyone here know if dd bs=1M uses MiB or MB?"
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12:20<daemonkeeper>Clusterfusk: You could respect channel rules.
12:20<themill>wissem: the functionality is almost the same between the sun java and openjdk; sun java can be faster for something and also has some crypto functions that openjdk lacks. Most of the time, both are quite OK to use. Use openjdk rather than sun java unless you know you need sun java.
12:20<Daemon>whats the dd bs
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12:20<themill>wissem: also, if you're going to use sun java, then use the debian packages not the .bin; /msg dpkg install java
12:20<valdyn>suns jdk network support seems to be somehow broken, openjdk works
12:21<valdyn>or maybe thats actually the vm
12:21<Clusterfusk>daemonkeeper: how is discussing the behavior of Debian's back-end not respecting channel rules? Did I miss something?
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12:22<akerl>Clusterfusk: It's not a debian specific discussion, it's a general computer math discussion. Which is taking up screen space in the debian channel
12:22<themill>valdyn: ipv6 stuff is a little funky with sun java (and was broken for a while in squeeze; /msg dpkg java ipv6; perhaps that's what you mean?)
12:22<valdyn>themill: yea
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12:22<Clusterfusk>Right, because dd is not part of Debian.
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12:23<valdyn>themill: nice, thats what i encountered
12:23<themill>valdyn: yeah, fun for all the family.
12:23<s_i_m>Clusterfusk, please, stop. Breath in, breath out, count until 100.
12:23<Daemon>what is DD
12:24<valdyn>themill: still same breakage on sid on my system, but that might be old config files
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12:25<Clusterfusk>Daemon: some gnu tools might vary slightly between distributions., which is why I asked about it here.
12:26<themill>valdyn: yeah, that config should have been reverted by maintainer scripts though.
12:27<s_i_m>Clusterfusk, the precise answer is in the man page of dd.
12:27<Daemon>so, you transform files for red het to files for debian, for expl
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12:58<samu>AY ALGIEN
12:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:22<nodiscc>quick poll, everyone: does anyone really use evolution ?
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13:22<koljan>no )
13:22<cthuluh>hehe. I know people who do
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13:24<abrotman>nodiscc: ask your real question
13:24<nodiscc>i'm about to do a massive-package-purge, i think icedove will be much better. Do you think i may lose important gnome functionalities when removing evolution ?
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13:26<nodiscc>i mean, considering the way it is strongly integrated to gnome
13:26<bst>nodiscc: view aptitude why evolution
13:26<abrotman>nodiscc: why get rid of evolution if you like it?
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13:27<nodiscc>bst: no dependencies problem, I installed it manually.
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13:27<hollunder>when I boot the debian server hd from my laptop via usb it can't see any network interfaces
13:28<hollunder>shouldn't udev or something handle this?
13:28<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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13:29<hollunder>so there's dynamic udev to make everything static again?
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13:30<hollunder>anyway, my real issue is that I don't know whether the machine boots properly or not, so I guess I need to get a serial to usb adapter
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13:32<nodiscc>abrotman: i don't like it at all, i'm just wondering if some gnome functions depend on evolution. I know i won't be able to edit the events for the panel calendar...
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13:42<K0JIbKA>gnome is hiding bluetooth-applet somewhere. i can't run it from Desktop Environment. if to try it in Terminal it says <** (bluetooth-applet:2802): WARNING **: Applet is already running, exiting> how to make use of bluetooth running Debian Squeeze?
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13:44<foxe>Laptop, built in nic + usb nic. bridge utils with both nics set to promisc. forwarded out a third nic. onboard can reach internet. usb cant?
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13:45<wissem>I just installed eclipse from the repo
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13:45<wissem>and when i Tried to launch it
13:45<wissem>I get the intro screen it freezes :/
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13:46<TCW>K0JIbKA, /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart, now shown?
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13:47<foxe>wissem, have you tried launching it from terminal to see what its spitting out?
13:47<wissem>yes foxe no errors
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13:48<wissem>wissem@debian:~$ eclipse
13:48<hollunder>have you waited two minutes or so? takes long to start..
13:48<venom01>hello, is it true that sid it's copied in testing when stable is released?
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13:51<s_i_m>venom01, sid is constanlty "copied" into testing (with certain filters and a delay applied), except the time of freeze.
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13:52<hollunder>ok, judging by /var/log/syslog the server doesn't boot properly, so at this point it's not the network but probably still some modules missing from initramfs. Any ideas what could be missing? Most likely it can't mount root
13:52<wissem>hollunder: no, i'm just waiting (now for almost 30min) and nothing happens
13:53<s_i_m>venom01, some rules are outlined on this web page
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13:56<hollunder>wissem: that's too long, even for eclipse
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13:57<hollunder>wissem: which WM are you using?
13:57<mralk3>I am trying to connect an ipod touch 8bg silver to my laptop. I have it in the file manager and i can view the directories and photos etc. i am unsure though how to configure my desktop to follow as I am unable to decipher where FUSE has my ipod touch mounted. anyone have any ideas how i can find out?
13:57<wissem>hollunder: actually it worked but after saying there was an error and pointing me out to log files
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13:58<hollunder>java had issues with some WMs
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13:58<foxe>wissem, whats it give you when you run it with eclispe -debug from console?
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13:58<hollunder>in which case eclipse and similar apps were just blank grey
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13:59<war1025>I just installed updates for wheezy, and now gnome-terminal's theme is all messed up
13:59<war1025>I think it's because it switched to gtk3 ?
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14:02<mralk3>i am following i am unsure though why i cannot find my ipod mounted on the file system
14:03<mralk3>mount shows only one change.
14:03<mralk3> fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
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14:04<mralk3>i can see my ipod touch in nautilus but not sure where its mounted
14:04<petemc>its probably using gnome-vfs
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14:04<Black_Prince>mralk3: maybe this can help you
14:05<mralk3>im on that already, linked it
14:05<mralk3>where does gnome-vfs mount
14:05<mralk3>cuz .gvfs in my home dir is empty
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14:08<mralk3>would the usb_modeswitch package effect anything?
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14:12<mralk3>i get an error when i execute step 3
14:12<mralk3>usbmuxd_get_device_list: error opening socket!
14:12<mralk3>No device found with uuid 80b8c4751ee688c5acc4c0361abea976f836d078, is it plugged in?
14:12<mralk3>Couldn't read xml sysinfo from 80b8c4751ee688c5acc4c0361abea976f836d078
14:13<mralk3>unsure how to fix this
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14:13<mralk3>the wiki says it fails with squeeze but i was hoping someone knows how to fix this
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14:18<s_i_m>mralk3, you should better give us the full transcript of what you did on the command line and place it in a pastebin, then someone might help.
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14:25<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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14:27<Reli>hi, who can help me with ArchLinux, my problem a vsftpd+mysql
14:27<s_i_m>why asking on a debian channel?
14:28<daemonkeeper>Debian, Ubuntu, Arch almost the same Windows.
14:28<ompaul>Reli: people in a arch irc channel I guess
14:29<Reli>ok, bye bye!
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14:41<XeonBloomfield>When will be available Debian 6.0.2 images?
14:42<devil>...and the typicalanswer in debian is: when they are ready :)
14:43<daemonkeeper>I guess they are a bit delayed because of
14:44<XeonBloomfield>Is there any bigger difference between installed Debian on desktop from CD and Live USB? :P
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14:45<daemonkeeper>For all Debian images holds: They are all the same, the only difference is the amount of packages shipped on the installation media
14:45<XeonBloomfield>daemonkeeper: Can you say anything more about "" ?
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14:48<XeonBloomfield>Have a nice day
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14:53<Devorador>hi all
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14:53<Devorador>somebody know wich is the repository of linux-image-generic-pae ?
14:53<Devorador>for debain of course
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14:54<Devorador>Have linux amd64 but want change to x86 pae
14:54<cthuluh>the -bigmem kernels are compiled with pae, iirc
14:54<daemonkeeper>... main?
14:54<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: There is no bigmem anymore (in squeeze+1 at least)
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14:55<venom01>is there someone personally responsible for the openssl bug? :P
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14:55<ZykoticK9>NetInstall boot problem on EEE 701 using 6.0.1a i386. I get to the initial install menu, after booting from external USB CD/DVD drive, where I can select: Install, Graphics Install, Advanced Option, Help. Once I select Install, after a short pause there is a small amount of cdrom activity followed by "nothingness" (note there is a slight multi-colour graphical change/distortion at the top of display after Install is selected). debian-508-i386-netins
14:55<ZykoticK9>t works as expected - so my option is certainly to just upgrade from 508, but any suggestions to get squeeze booting?.
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14:55<daemonkeeper>Devorador: You can't just switch to x86/PAE if you installed AMD64.
14:56<daemonkeeper>Besides, there is no reason to do
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14:56<daemonkeeper>The other way around works though
14:56<bobik>hi. will be released instead of 6.0.2 ?
14:56<daemonkeeper>bobik: Yes
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14:57<cthuluh>hmmm. I still have linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem available here. maybe my apt-cacher-ng is making fun of me
14:57<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: You are on Squeeze then
14:57<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: For Wheezy this is -686-pae
14:57*Devorador sad :(
14:58<bobik>daemonkeeper: what happened?
14:58<cthuluh>daemonkeeper: ah. stupid me, yes I'm on squeeze
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14:58<daemonkeeper>Devorador: What are you trying to achieve? There is no reason to run PAE, that's a dirty, slow hacl
14:58<cthuluh>hmm, not that slow...
14:58<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: Slower than native AMD64 mode? Sure.
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14:59<cthuluh>of course it doesn't make sense if you have an amd64 compatible cpu
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15:00<daemonkeeper>Well, it does make _some_ sense if you really want to keep a IA32 user land and you have more than 3.2G of memory.
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15:00<daemonkeeper>However even there you may just want to run a AMD64 kernel
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15:01<lancelot_of>hi all
15:02<AriMartti>someone said me than 32-bit poiners are faster to run than the 64-bit ones
15:02<lancelot_of>how to download the the tarball of a given package
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15:02<AriMartti>and if you know you never need over 4 GB per process...
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15:02<daemonkeeper>AriMartti: That's bullshit. Its true, AMD64 consumes more memory because of the larger bus size.
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15:03<AriMartti>i really don't know because i have not experience about C language or whatsoever
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15:05<devil>lancelot_of: from?
15:05<daemonkeeper>Well, its easy to literally understand. In 64 bit mode a simple word is of size 64 bit. If you use 32 bit or even less only, you obviously trash your memory with unneeded data.
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15:05<lancelot_of>devil, testing
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15:06<devil>lancelot_of: you want the source?
15:06<lancelot_of>devil, yes, i want the source of i3
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15:08<to6ko>hi all
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15:09<lancelot_of>devil, ok thanks
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15:18<hanez>hi, i have a problem with my dmcrypt partitions after an update some days ago. i am using debian squeeze. my key for the root partition is not found anymore... can someone help?
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16:01<tyler>I am confused on what to set my domain name to in my home network.(I am in the setup) Any tips?
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16:04<Black_Prince>tyler, you need to setup dns to point to your home network.
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16:09<retrospectacus>tyler, you can set it to whatever you want, unless you have a network administrator who tell you something specific to put. Usually I put my "windoz workgroup" name in there
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16:09<retrospectacus>or leave it blank
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16:10<tyler>retrospectacus: thanks! I'll just leave it blank. I have used Ubuntu and others for a few years and just figured out that they left it blank and it hasn't done me any harm.
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16:12<retrospectacus>if it's an office machine and you want to be able to access LAN resources by name you would need the local DNS network name in there
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16:16<Black_Prince>ugh I guess I misread the question, sorry
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16:23<retrospectacus>sup dxb
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16:24<dxb>retrospectacus, hi mate i just install debian lenny at my home compyter cant find the packge manager
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16:24<retrospectacus>Why lenny? lenny is old.
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16:25<retrospectacus>the best package manager is apt-get and it is only available on the command line.
16:25<dxb>Im using Gnome
16:26<retrospectacus>There's no pckage manager in System - Administration?
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16:26<retrospectacus>dxb: you can run ''apt-get install synaptic'' as root on the command line
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16:27<dxb>appreciated mate
16:28<daemonkeeper>Next consider upgrading to Squeeze
16:28<retrospectacus>enjoy. I am still curious why you installed Lenny
16:29<dxb>i think it lenny not sure but if there is a way i can find out what version Im using would be nice
16:29<daemonkeeper>cat /etc/debian_version
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16:30<daemonkeeper>Or "lsb_release -a" if installed.
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16:30<dxb>its saying 6.0.2
16:30<daemonkeeper>That's Squeeze
16:31<daemonkeeper>So you are fine
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16:43<Nik0s>hello guys what should i do with: The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
16:43<Nik0s> firmware-linux-free ?
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16:44<daemonkeeper>Whatever you want. This is what a recommendation is for
16:45<daemonkeeper>Its your choice whether you want/need it or not (however recent versions of Debian install them by default)
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16:45<Nik0s>and why is my "recent" debian version not installing the recommend?
16:45<Nik0s>maybe broken dep?
16:45<daemonkeeper>How did you install your Debian?
16:46<Nik0s>euh what do you mean?
16:46<Nik0s>i installed Debian Squeeze from the usb installer
16:46<daemonkeeper>Chances are, Apt::Install-Recommends is false for some reasons in your installation
16:47<Nik0s>oh and where do i find it?
16:47<P-K>Anyone know when security for Lenny will release a fix for PHP becasue of CVE-2010-1128?
16:47<daemonkeeper>In /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt.conf.d/something
16:47<Nik0s>ok thx
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16:48<streuner>P-K: Debian supports a old release about 1 year
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16:49<daemonkeeper>P-K: DSA-2089-1
16:49<daemonkeeper>It was fixed in Lenny almost a year ago
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16:52<P-K>daemonkeeper: it looks like I have to reconfigure the php.ini
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16:52<daemonkeeper>This is, what the DSA tells you
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16:53<Nik0s>does someone know a little RegEx...? how do i find all recommend packages that are not installed
16:53<rallias>It seems a bit noobish... but what do I need to download to install Debian?
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16:53<daemonkeeper>rallias: Well, an installer image is a good start
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16:54<rallias>daemonkeeper: Thats the problem I'm having... which image?
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16:54<streuner>rallias: and look at the upper right side (multiarch)
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16:54<daemonkeeper>rallias: Whatever suits your needs. For most users the CD or DVD image should be fine.
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16:55<daemonkeeper>If you have Internet access during installation, also the netinst works for you
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16:55<rallias>So I need to download all the images?
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16:55<daemonkeeper>No, the first CD is fine
16:55<streuner>no, just /msg dpkg ig
16:55<Nik0s>is this the correct way? aptitude search '?and(?not(~i),?recommends(~i))'
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16:56<daemonkeeper>You only need the full CD set if you don't have Internet access on the installation site.
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16:56<daemonkeeper>(Or DVD/BD respectively)
16:56<P-K>daemonkeeper: according to CVE-2010-1128 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10 is still vulnerable.
16:56<Nik0s>or maybe just ?recommend(~i) !~i ?
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16:56<rallias>If my current system detects my phone as usb0 as ethernet would it work for the install disk?
16:57<streuner>rallias: /msg dpkg ig
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16:57<P-K>5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10 is the latest patch
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16:58<daemonkeeper>P-K: The DSA says, your issue was fixed in 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9
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16:58<daemonkeeper>That is, lenny10 cumulates your issue as well
16:59<rallias>I guess I get to experiment :D
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17:02<rallias>About how much bandwidth is used in installation?
17:02<daemonkeeper>rallias: This is TCP, TCP uses whatever it can use.
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17:02<rallias>i mean total amount of data sent/recieved
17:03<daemonkeeper>This is up to you. You don't need Internet access for installation after all. However you are prompted to choose among a set of packages what you want to install
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17:04<daemonkeeper>And the more CDs you have, the less you need to download on the installation site (of course)
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17:04<daemonkeeper>However you won't need the full contents of the CDs either and you can safely install everything later.
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17:32<Daemon>hi any1 online
17:32<streuner>just ask
17:33<Daemon>need help
17:33<Daemon>cant boot debian iso to VM
17:33<Daemon>it gives me, fatal error no bootable media
17:34<koljan>boot priority ?
17:34<Daemon>its set to dvd
17:34<Daemon>cd/dvd *
17:34<koljan>boot priority in VM
17:34<bulldog>bad media?
17:35<Daemon>dont have cd to try to boot
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17:35<Daemon>sry its cannot read from the boot medium!
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17:36<Daemon>but downloaded it over debian web page and torrent
17:36<Daemon>it automaticly checks the hashes
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17:37<Daemon>debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-8 <-- name of iso
17:37<daemonkeeper>What makes you think the issue would be the DVD image, not your VM configuration?
17:37<koljan>8 ???
17:38<nodiscc>so... i'm a bit confused about spell-checking systems.. which one should i use: hunspell aspell ispell or myspell ?
17:38<daemonkeeper>you mean debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-8.iso?
17:39<bulldog>best pratice for me is to install from netinstall image
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17:39<koljan>why 8?
17:40<Daemon>nes but downloadet it over torrent
17:40<daemonkeeper>Google says, he used
17:40<daemonkeeper>i.e. a DVD-8 image
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17:40<Daemon>what should i use
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17:40<daemonkeeper>Daemon: Please use official images, you don't know what you get otherwise
17:40<Daemon>i also used update
17:41<Daemon>so just to use 1
17:41<daemonkeeper>Yes. Or even netinst.
17:41<daemonkeeper>If the download is not fast enough for you, use another mirror
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17:43<koljan>what VM use?
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17:46<clock_>hi all!
17:46<Daemon>koljan virtualbox
17:46<clock_>I have such a funny problem - when I start my cable PC together with my cable modem, the Internet doesn't work
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17:47<clock_>Because the modem gives a short lease with temporary IP, and then Debian somehow fails to renew it.
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17:47<clock_>I have always to click on the Ethernet icon, disable wired network and reenable it, and then it works fine.
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17:47<clock_>I even found some log entries in /var/log for this phenomenon happening :)
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17:48<koljan>/etc/network/interfaces - atuto eth* iface eth* inet dhcp
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17:48<Bushmills>clock_: starting modem before PC works?
17:48<clock_>Before I upgraded Debian, it worked fine, with the same modem settings
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17:48<clock_>Bushmills, together, with central power switch
17:49<clock_>Bushmills, when I reboot PC and keep modem running, works.
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17:49<clock_>Bushmills, I could try exactly as you want, if u like
17:49<Bushmills>you're sure the modem is ready to honour the dhcp request when both powered up at same time?
17:49<clock_>sorry, exactly as you write
17:50<clock_>Bushmills, yes, I see in the Debian logs that Debian accepted an IP address that was assigned to it
17:50<Bushmills>i'd still try powering up modem first
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17:52<clock_>Bushmills, OK am going to try now
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17:57<clock_>Bushmills, now I gave the modem 1 minute advantage and came up with Internet without touching any icon :)
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17:58<Bushmills>it's a "transparent" modem, assigning a non-rfc1918 address to PC NIC?
17:58<clock_>Bushmills, sorry I don't understand what u mean
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17:59<clock_>Bushmills, can I run some test to find out answer to your question?
17:59<Bushmills>does your PC get an ip address other than 192.168.x.x?
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18:00<clock_>When I start PC and modem together, my PC first gets example and then example
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18:01<clock_>But since I upgraded, my PC seems to not ask for the other one with some message about internal state of something...
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18:01<clock_>I tried to find the message now but didn't find it yet in the logs
18:01<clock_>Bushmills, now when I started PC 1 minute after modem, it got directly the address like
18:01<Bushmills>that might explain it. 10.x.x.x addresses are also rfc1918 addresses. modem may give those while it hasn't associated with provider yet, thereby unable to assign the final address, because it doesn't know yet.
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18:02<clock_>Bushmills, yes, that's my explanation too
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18:03<hpvincent>hi all, I am looking for some doc about how to manage services in debian squeeze
18:03<Bushmills>seems your pc boots faster after the upgrade
18:03<hpvincent>I am not sure what system is in use in this version
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18:03<clock_>Bushmills, could be!
18:03<clock_>Bushmills, I try to reboot now hopefully I can find the message!
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18:04<Bushmills>hpvincent: "manage"?
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18:05<Bushmills>two main means: config files, and runlevel dirs
18:05<retrospectacus>hpvincent: squeeze uses ''insserv''
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18:06<hpvincent>ok thanks
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18:11<clock>Bushmills, woohoo, found the desired messages :)
18:11<clock>Bushmills, line 106 is first DHCP ACK
18:12<clock>Bushmills, second ACK is on 152 (expired in between)
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18:16<hpvincent>how can I list running services ?
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18:16<Bushmills>hpvincent: netstat is your friend
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18:16<hpvincent>netstat ??
18:16<hpvincent>what does it have to do with services ?
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18:17<hpvincent>I am talking about runlevel manager, services launched daemon at startup, sorry if I was not completely clear
18:17<Bushmills>" hpvincent: how can I list running services ?" <- that
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18:17<hpvincent>not network services
18:17<clock>Bushmills, and I suspect lines 164-172 could suggest the problem
18:18<hpvincent>just system services, dae,ons
18:18<Bushmills>ps is your friend
18:18<hpvincent>no, not just processes
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18:18<Bushmills>then i have no idea what you call "services"
18:18<hpvincent>system init scripts
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18:19<hpvincent>I call this services, but it might be the wrong word sorry about that
18:19<clock>hpvincent, so you want to know which init scripts have been started by "start", as opposed to those not started at all or suffering a "stop" command?
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18:20<clock>hpvincent, unfortunately i don't know
18:20<clock>and rather guess there is no support for that
18:20<hpvincent>that's pretty bad
18:20<clock>the only idea is to take all from /etc/init.d and run with "status" command
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18:20<clock>But I am not sure if it can't screw something up
18:20<hpvincent>well it involves running lots of scripts
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18:21<clock>hpvincent, but maybe there is a way, and I just don't know
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18:21<Bushmills> ls /etc/rc2.d/S* , assuming your runlevel is 2
18:21<hpvincent>ok but I thought insserv had supplanted this ?
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18:21<clock>hpvincent, you are interested in those that factically run, or those that are supposed to run?
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18:21<Bushmills>insserv just massages the number behind the S
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18:22<hpvincent>actually I put a service into rc2.d, but it didn't get run
18:22<hpvincent>(I put it there manually)
18:22<Bushmills>read up on update-rc.d
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18:22<hpvincent>Bushmills, ok I see , so it's basically still using the rc?.d directories ?
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18:23<hpvincent>insserv is a just a kind of tool above that system
18:23<clock>Bushmills, hmm, what u think about the DHCP log?
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18:23<Bushmills>sysvinit does. there's file-rc which doesn't
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18:24<Bushmills>clock, actually i didn't look at it as the reason for the problem seemed to have been found
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18:24<clock>Bushmills, so what u think is the reason for the problem?
18:25<Bushmills>hpvincent: there's also systemd which has been hitting testing already
18:25<Bushmills>clock: Bushmills: that might explain it. 10.x.x.x addresses are also rfc1918 addresses. modem may give those while it hasn't associated with provider yet, thereby unable to assign the final address, because it doesn't know yet.
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18:25<hpvincent>ok thanks guys
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18:27<clock>Bushmills, I don't understand how this could be a reason why my Internet would stay indefinitely not working
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18:27<clock>Bushmills, I would expect to get the temporary address and renew it until it gets a solid one
18:27<clock>The renew period is 8 seconds.
18:27<clock>So after max. 8 seconds, I would get Internet
18:27<Bushmills>clock, because your pc has obtained an ip address and no immediate need to request another one
18:28<clock>Bushmills, I disagree, there is an immediate need because the lease is only for 8 seconds
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18:29<Bushmills>modem may assign same ip address again
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18:29<clock>Bushmills, I can see in the log happening and then Debian sends a DHCP request, says "giving up DHCP transaction" before getting the ACK, and stops any DHCP activity
18:29<clock>Bushmills, yes, that's true, and it also does
18:30<clock>Bushmills, I believe the reason for the problem is that Debian spontaneously gives up DHCP activity
18:30<clock>It just doesn't renew anymore
18:30<clock>After renewing few times
18:30<Bushmills>no idea. sounds like modem needs debugging, not the PC. insert a delay during PC boot somewhere at a stratetic place.
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18:32<clock>Bushmills, I will insert laptop with Wireshark and determine what needs debugging, PC or modem
18:34<clock>Bushmills, I suspect PC needs debugging, because in logs it says it sends a DHCP request, doesn't say anything about ACK, and after 8 seconds (!) it says "timeout" and marks the interface as "invalid"
18:34<clock>In my opinion, 8 seconds for DHCP request timeout is a bit short.
18:34<clock>I have seen situations where DHCP server responds in 17 seconds
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18:35<Bushmills>in my opinion, a dhcp server not replying within 8 seconds is buggy
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18:35<clock>Bushmills, why is it buggy? Is maximum DHCP response time prescribed by the RFC?
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18:36<Bushmills>probably not, but some reasonable response time could be expected. or would you want to wait, say, 1 week for it to reply?
18:37<Bushmills>8 seconds to reply is what i'd not consider reasonable
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18:44<Guest25>I have a question how does Debian unstable compair to openSUSE? I currently use openSUSE for my desktop and Debian stable for my server, but i was thinking about making my desktop also Debian
18:45<daemonkeeper>If you know what you're doing, its probably ok, but better go with Testing for now
18:45<themill>unstable isn't much fun for a desktop unless you like spending your time unbreaking things (and know how to do so) rather than doing work.
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18:46<daemonkeeper>Which is a bit pessimistic. I run Sid on all of my desktops since 2003 or so. Crucial is anyhow you know what you're doing
18:47<clock>Bushmills, do u mind if I talk about the problem further?
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18:47<themill>!moving target
18:47<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
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18:49<Bushmills>clock, other people on this channel should have a say with that too
18:49<daemonkeeper>Its not suitable for someone who just wants a running system.
18:49<devil>themill: ^
18:50<themill>dpkg, moving target =~ s/shiner/shinier/
18:50<dpkg>themill: OK
18:50<themill>devil: good catch :)
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18:52<nyov>themill: might wanna fix s/shinier that/shinier than/ too ;)
18:52<daemonkeeper>You can as well ...
18:53<daemonkeeper>(but please do in a query)
18:53<nyov>true, thx daemonkeeper
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19:00<clock>I felt happy having Debian after I was unable to make scanners work in Ubuntu under non-root user after long effort, and they work just out of the box in Debian :)
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19:02<devil>clock: that issue with scanning and root was due to user not being member of group scanner iirc
19:02<deboff>hi all, I did a a dist upgrade, had many many problems, currently X won't start. When I run X -configure I get errors saying No supported AMD display adapters were found and (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such directory
19:03<clock>devil, not it wasn't, because the user is member of group scanner
19:03<devil>clock: i ran into this a while ago in unstable
19:03<deboff>I have been messing with this for a long time now and I have probably screwed up some things along the way
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19:04<nyov>deboff: dist upgrade to where?
19:04<deboff>to testing
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19:04<deboff>I suppose it is a driver problem
19:05<devil>deboff: show /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
19:05<deboff>I don't know why but I installed fglrx which gave rise to the first error
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19:07<devil>deboff: facts please :)
19:07<nyov>that came over scrambled
19:07<devil>01:04:55] <devil> deboff: show /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
19:08<devil>and i guess, #debian-next is better suited
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19:08<devil>fglrx is b0rked, btw
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19:11<devil>a channel for testing and unstable issues
19:11<deboff>so I'll uninstall fglrx again?
19:11<devil>deboff: let me look at the log
19:11<deboff>oic thanks
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19:11<deboff>ok devil, thanks
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19:13<devil>deboff: Using config file: "/root/" wtf?
19:14<devil>line 326
19:14<deboff>hmm, well I followed some guys on some forums...
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19:14<nyov>looks like it breaks on loading fbdev though or something. why all the video drivers?
19:15<devil>[ 56.062] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
19:15<devil>and loading every vid driver in the known universe
19:15<deboff>I don't know where they all came from
19:15<daemonkeeper>That guy was an expert, apparently :)
19:15<devil>deboff: advice 1: dont follow some guys on some forums...
19:15<deboff>i didn't install all of them by hand
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19:16<devil>deboff: they are installed default, but in your case they are all loaded as well
19:16<deboff>I see
19:16<devil>deboff: can you paste /root/ please?
19:16<devil>for the lulz
19:16<deboff>howbecause of /root/xorg.conf?
19:17<devil>deboff: probably, we will know in a minute
19:17<nyov>I seriously lol'd there
19:17<devil>deboff: and of course /root is completely wrong place for .conf
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19:18<devil>deboff: delete that please
19:18<devil>deboff: and remove fglrx for now
19:19<devil>install firmware-linux-non-free instead and reboot
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19:19<deboff>what is the first thing I should delete?
19:19<devil>deboff: then come back and we look at the log again
19:19<nyov>that looks like a complicated setup, you got two graphic cards?
19:19<devil>deboff: the in /root
19:20<devil>deboff: you can save it somewhere if you like
19:20<deboff>I had a different graphics card a couple of years ago
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19:20<deboff>i'm not worried, it was auto generated
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19:20<devil>deboff: xorg.conf is depricated nowadays
19:21<devil>deboff: for proprietary drivers you need a small stanza, thats all
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19:22<devil>deboff: also make sure, xserver-xorg-video-radeon is still installed
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19:23<deboff>will check
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19:26<deboff> xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed
19:26<devil>i still wonder what loads all those drivers
19:26<deboff>i'll reboot now
19:26<devil>do it to it
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19:28<deboff>I am in recovery mode btw, because I can't even get tty1 if I use regular boot
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19:29<devil>still now?
19:29<devil>well, (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory is not nice
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19:30<deboff>hmm, I just booted normally
19:30<devil>does X start?
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19:31<deboff>there is a little message saying my saved session type 'kde' is not valid anymore
19:31<deboff>on the debian splash screen
19:31<devil>deboff: do you get to kdm? if so, set it back to kde
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19:32<deboff>but neither mouse nor keyboard work
19:32<deboff>can't get tty1 either
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19:32<devil>hm, keyboard and mouse should just work
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19:33<devil>so, where do you get stuck?
19:33<deboff>i'k booting again
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19:35<deboff>I'm opens the logon screen but there is the message about the session type and keyboard still doesn't responf
19:36<devil>deboff: can you set it back to kde?
19:36<devil>oh, no keyboard :)
19:36<deboff>I'll go back to recovery mode
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19:36<devil>it looks like your install is pretty messed up
19:36<nyov>if it's usb, just try to plugin it out an in again. worked for me some time ago. whatever the reason
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19:37<deboff>I think my installation is completely messed up
19:37<deboff>well, its not the keyboard...
19:38<deboff>I can soft reboot
19:38<deboff>thanks tho
19:38<coruja>deboff, as something is rather borked there, i would suggest downloading a testing snapshot and make a fresh install (mind a backup)
19:39<devil>i would like to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log once more
19:39<deboff>fs check running, 2-3 more min
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19:39<deboff>I'll post new Xorg log
19:40<deboff>a fresh install is prob the best option, I'm kind of determined at the minute tho
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19:41<nyov>it's a nice challenge
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19:41<devil>and feasable
19:41<deboff>I've been through alot getting it this far
19:41<deboff>I lost grub last night
19:41<devil>dqgetting it this b0rked?
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19:44<devil>deboff: when upgrading to wheezy, did you use upgrade or dist-upgrade?
19:44<deboff>for new log
19:44<devil>broken link
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19:45<deboff>am, ... when I upgraded first then dist-upgraded
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19:45<devil>cant access the log
19:46<deboff>2nd one?
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19:46<devil>none of them
19:47<nyov>wrong url
19:47<nyov>tno pastebinit
19:47<deboff>I am sorry
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19:48<devil>deboff: ahh, there is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf as well
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19:48<devil>please mv to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
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19:49<devil>deboff: and reboot
19:50<devil>deboff: you still have fglrx stuff installed
19:50<devil>deboff: dpkg -l | grep fglrx
19:50<devil>and purge the ones that have ii
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19:52<deboff>looks like they all have II
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19:52<devil>deboff: remove then, delete the xorg.conf and reboot
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19:56<deboff>purge xserver-xorg-video-***** is it?
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19:57<devil>deboff: no, the fglrx stuff
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19:58<devil>xserver-xorg-video-***** has nothing to do with fglrx
19:58<deboff>some other drivers are purged now too...rebooting
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19:58<devil>is xorg.conf gone as well?
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19:59<deboff>normal boot same as before
19:59<deboff>rebooting to safemode
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20:03<deboff>new xorg log at
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20:04<devil>is that an old log?
20:05<devil>it has: Using config file: "/root/"
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20:05<nyov>i wonder how that gets included in the first place
20:05<nyov>xorg.conf.d ?
20:06<devil>deboff: the log seems to be the very first one you posted
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20:06<devil>all the plethora of drivers is loaded as well
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20:07<devil>deboff: ?
20:07<deboff>I only purged a couple
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20:08<devil>deboff: the drivers were not loaded after deleting /root/
20:08<devil>so, is this the current Xxorg.0.log or is it .1.log or .2.log?
20:08<deboff>I did X -configure again
20:09<devil>i didnt ask you to do that
20:09<devil>its 2:30 past midnight, so lets not go in circles please
20:10<devil>is there a /root/
20:10<deboff> no /root/xorg doesn't exist
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20:10<coruja>deboff, normally you don't need any xorg.conf at start, at least for a suboptimal 2d desktop
20:10<deboff>nor does /etc/X11/xorg
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20:11<deboff>actually it is there
20:11<deboff>I'll remover again and reboot
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20:12<coruja>and _don't_ create a new one :)
20:12<devil>deboff: then you pasted the wrong log
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20:14<deboff>new xorg log at
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20:15<quant>hello, I have no syntax highlighting in vim (squeeze), I get it with 'syntax on' though... any ideas, please?
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20:15<devil>132.690] (++) Using config file: "/root/"
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20:15<devil>i never seen this before
20:16<nyov>quant: edit you ~/.vimrc or /etc/vim/vimrc
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20:16<nyov>quant: uncomment the "syntax on -line
20:16<deboff>and it definitely doesn't exist this time
20:16<flaccid>i'm looking at and and wondering about the status on this? i remember that there may be a reason why debian has retained not supporting .sh in cron etc. ?
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20:18<devil>deboff: as a last try, can we seewhats in: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
20:18<quant>nyov, that was it, thanks
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20:19<devil>deboff: an ls -l of whats there will do
20:19<deboff>10-evdev.conf 50-synaptics.conf 50-wacom.conf
20:21<devil>deboff: lets have a look at dmesg
20:21<devil>and then i give up for today
20:23<deboff>dmesg at
20:23<deboff>thanks devil
20:23<deboff>thanks devil
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20:23<deboff>thank you devil
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20:24<deboff>haha slow updates
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20:26<devil>it caught only part of the log, its too big. whats there is unsuspicious
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20:26<deboff>I'm no expert but I don't see any obvious errors
20:27<devil>some config file is fscking with X
20:27<devil>but i have no idea what that could be.
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20:27<devil>anyways, gotta run, its late
20:28<deboff>ok devil, thank you for your patience
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20:31<nyov>deboff: what was your chipset again?
20:32<deboff>hmm chipset
20:32<deboff>how do I check?
20:32<nyov>lspci -vv
20:33<nyov>-nn indeed
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20:34<deboff>lspci at
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20:35<nyov>what, is that some old ati card?
20:36<nyov>ati rage pro, agp? that sounds like oooold
20:36<deboff>yes, that is one oold ati card
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20:36<quant>rage128... 90's if I'm not wrong
20:36<abrotman>is it a server?
20:36<nyov>i got some lying around :P
20:37<deboff>i haven't a clue how old
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20:37<deboff>It's my media centre ;)
20:37<deboff>it's my desktop
20:37<abrotman>quant: they still put those in newer servers or were a few years ago .. they're basic cards, well tested
20:37<dvs>deboff: it might be supported by vesa, but definately not by the radeon driver.
20:38<quant>abrotman, sounds like a good idea
20:38<nyov>I believe you want the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver instead
20:39<deboff>it is installed
20:40<deboff>12 mins
20:40<deboff>haha 2 minutes
20:40<nyov>wait, there is also an -r128 driver. hmm
20:41<nyov>ah ok, it depends on those
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20:46<deboff>I was guessing the r128 too
20:46<nyov>deboff: maybe you should remove all the other xserver-xorg-video-* packages and only check -ati and those it depends on
20:46<deboff>I think I installed that one myself
20:46<nyov>or even only the -r128
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20:47<nyov>so it can't choke on trying to load other crap, seeing your strange xorg log
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20:47<deboff>i suppose nothing bad will happen if I remove all of them
20:47<deboff>this will take some time#
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20:48<nyov>deboff: you know the aptitude curses interface?
20:48<deboff>i only use cli
20:49<nyov>deboff: should be fairly easy deselecting those then re-selecting r128
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20:57<nyov>hmmm i just gathered (++) lines come from the commandline...
20:57<nyov>[   132.690] (++) Using config file: "/root/"
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20:58<nyov>soo, deboff, maybe you changed your /etc/init.d/ scripts?
20:58<deboff>not that I recal
20:58<deboff>could have done a long time ago
20:59<deboff>but I removed /
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21:00<lotus-blade>is there a way to make debian a server for networkboot boxes acting as dummy terminals?
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21:04<nyov>deboff: well i wonder what you'd get from this grep ;) grep -R '' /etc/init.d/; grep -R '' /etc/default/
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21:06<deboff>both are empty
21:06<nyov>very strange indeed
21:07<deboff>I think I might have royally screwed this installation
21:08<nyov>that commandline ought to come from somewhere, but oh well
21:08<nyov>deboff: you custom compiled something?
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21:09<deboff>like a kernel? no
21:09<nyov>then it might be screwed, but not royally I'd say ;)
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21:10<nyov>lotus-blade: you mean PXE boot?
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21:10<nyov>lotus-blade: sure
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21:13<Dreakon>Hey guys, I'm having kind of a random problem. When I go into the Software Center, it tells me everything "is not available for this type of computer (i386)". It's a 32-bit laptop and it worked just an hour or so ago.
21:14<lotus-blade>yes that is what I mean
21:14<lotus-blade>ltsp? or is there something better?
21:14<Dreakon>Also, when I hope the Update Manager and click "Settings", nothing happens. :(
21:14<Dreakon>when I open*
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21:15<nyov>lotus-blade, to make the terminals boot, you need a dhcp/bootp server and tftp on your server - yes ltsp does that
21:16<quant>Dreakon, is that Ubuntu?
21:16<Dreakon>Debian Testing
21:17<lotus-blade>so I can not use my router dhcp server?
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21:17<nyov>lotus-blade: no, it needs to tell the clients about where to find the TFTP server and pxe images. unless you router can be configured to send that information
21:18<nyov>lotus-blade: in any case, you don't want multiple dhcp servers running on the same network
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21:20<lotus-blade>shoot, so now I need to get my router to not serve the dhcp and run dhcp from the comp then
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21:22<Dreakon>Nevermind, somehow my sources.list got all messed up
21:22<lotus-blade>now is that possible?
21:22<Dreakon>should be good now. Thanks guys. ;)
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21:23<nyov>lotus-blade: depends on your router, but it should be
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21:25<lotus-blade>I have the option to turn off dhcp. so this may work?
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21:27<Dreakon>Hey guys, another random question. Is moc (music on console) in the Debian repo's? I swear I've gotten it from them before but it isn't showing up in Synaptic or the Software Center.
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21:29<nyov>deboff: news on the driver front?
21:30<quant>Dreakon, it is, indeed
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21:30<Dreakon>Hmm... then that begs the question why it isn't coming up in Synaptic or the Software Center.
21:31<quant>Dreakon, did you do aptitude update after fixing source.list?
21:31<deboff>my latest xorg log is at
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21:32<quant>Dreakon, pastebin sources.list if you want, it's suspicios
21:32<deboff>does it make any difference that it was built on a different kernel to the kernel I am using?
21:32<Gerowen>Is Iceweasel 6.0 a stable release, or is it like the Debian modified version of Firefox 6 that hasn't been released yet?
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21:33<quant>Gerowen, since FF 6 isn't released yet, I doubt that Iceweasel is stable, being based on it, but I could be wrong :)
21:33<Dreakon>quant, I'll pastebin it so hopefully you guys can take a look and see if something strange is going on. However I just apt-get update'd and installed moc through the terminal and it's working.
21:33<nyov>deboff: no
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21:33<nyov>deboff: looks much better already
21:33<deboff>it does:)
21:33<quant>Dreakon, ok, there you go
21:33<deboff>I don't see any EE
21:34<Gerowen>quant: That's what I figured, and defaults to 5.0, but they had it listed separate from "beta" so I wasn't sure.
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21:34<deboff>No DFP detected#
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21:34<quant>Gerowen, I'm happy with my 3.5.19 or something here on Debian Stable :)
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21:35<Dreakon>Just for curiousity sake though, is this a proper sources.list file for the Debian Testing repo's?
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21:36<nyov>Dreakon: looks good
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21:37<Dreakon>nyov, alright, thank you. :) I'm still a bit new to this and most of my knowledge stems from information people post on forums. Never know when I'm steered in the wrong direction. ;)
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21:37<nyov>Dreakon: sure, no problem
21:38<nyov>deboff: i can't find any info about that problem. what is DFP anyway
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21:40<dvs>deboff: [ 91.855] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
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21:40<nyov>deboff: since it's not fatal, it can possibly be ignored
21:40<nyov>dvs: that's a recurring error ;)
21:40<deboff>I have no idea what dfp is
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21:41<nyov>dvs: any clue how to fix that? is it udev related maybe?
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21:41<sney>Dreakon: it's generally recommended to use the codename instead of 'testing', but it's not as important as it is with stable
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21:42<nyov>dvs: ah, install xserver-xfbdev maybe? :P
21:42<deboff>I did install fbdev when I saw that
21:43<deboff>I'll try that
21:44<nyov>deboff: ah wait
21:45<nyov>looks like that is another x server or something. uh I have no clue
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21:45<nyov>deboff: do you have -video-fbdev ?
21:46<deboff>I don't know if I am starting X at all since I'm only booting to recovery mode
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21:46<deboff>i have video-fbdev
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21:47<nyov>ok, now question is, do you even need fbdev...
21:48<deboff>I begin to wonder if my problem is with kde and not drivers
21:49<nyov>now it might be, does X start?
21:50<nyov>deboff: and why do you boot recovery console?
21:50<deboff>I'm opens the logon screen but there is the message about the session type and keyboard still doesn't responf
21:50<nyov>deboff: can you switch to a tty with ctrl-alt-f1 ?
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21:51<deboff>I can't even get tty1 if normal boot gets to logon screen
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21:51<deboff>not in normal boot
21:51<flaccid>is there some approval process for bug submittal? i got a mail back, but the bug is not submitted - no url
21:52<deboff>only thing that works is ctrl+prnt scrn s-u-b
21:52<nyov>deboff: do you have some splash screen, or do you get text output when booting?
21:52<leidson>aqui só tem nerd
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21:52<nyov>deboff: but you get text when booting, up until X starts?
21:53<nyov>okay I guess thats a framebuffer thing then
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21:54<deboff>and where do I start with a framebuffer problem?
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21:56<nyov>heh. what do you call a deer with no eyes? yeah, i got no-i-dea
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21:57<deboff>i just looked, kde-full is not installed
21:58<nyov>that can't be it, at least not for the no-tty thing
21:58<deboff>or kde-plasma-desktop
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22:00<nyov>deboff: do you have an xorg.conf.d folder?
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22:00<nyov>in /etc/
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22:02<deboff>I have one in /usr/share/X11/
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22:03<nyov>deboff: ok, let's try creating an xorg.conf with r128, maybe then it won't try fbdev
22:04<nyov>deboff: write that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :
22:04<nyov>but nothing else
22:04<deboff>also. I moved /usr/share/ to my home partition and symlinked it because /usr partition got full
22:05<sney>flaccid: it just takes a little while
22:05<flaccid>yep all good now
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22:06<nyov>deboff: ok it might work. if those partitions are all there on boot
22:06<xovan>wow I've never had a /usr partition fill up before.
22:07<nyov>i don't know if /usr/share is that important. maybe not
22:08<kusanagi>how do i know what a virtual package is pointing to?
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22:10<sney>nyov: it contains all your icons, all system-wide fonts, lots of other things that are _shared_ among different applications
22:10<deboff>xorg.conf updated
22:10<sney>but having it symlinked shouldn't break much as long as the permissions are the same
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22:11<nyov>sney: but are those necessary on boot?
22:11<sney>not usually
22:11<xovan>kusanagi, try looking here
22:11<deboff>my /usr partition is 4.8GB and is now 79% full with /usr/share moved out
22:12<nyov>but maybe there's something doesn't like symlinks there. i wouldn't know
22:13<nyov>deboff: did it work with that configuration before?
22:13<nyov>or did you just move that out on the upgrade?
22:14<deboff>'ve been upgrading from more than a week now and never got anything very stable but I was atleast able to log in
22:14<deboff>yes moved druing the process
22:14<kusanagi>thanks xovan. I read that, but I dont understand why abuse-sdl is a virtual package for example
22:16<deboff>with the new xorg.conf now I'm back to the error /dev/fb0: no such file or directory
22:16<nyov>deboff: with that xorg.conf, can you switch to a terminal now?
22:17<nyov>hmm looks like it depends on that
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22:17<nyov>deboff: are you running udev?
22:17<deboff>what is udev?
22:17<xovan>kusanagi, because "abuse" conficts with "abuse-sdl" to correct this abuse-sdl is a virtual package that can be satisfied by "abuse"
22:17<deboff>no, still can not switch to console
22:17<xovan>kusanagi, did I confuse you enough?
22:18<th>i thought /usr/shared is for things that can be shared between arch
22:18<nyov>deboff: udev is what should handle creating the device files in /dev
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22:19<deboff>before I moved it I read around a little and it seemed to be some way safe to move
22:19<kusanagi>xovan, i think so... x)
22:19<deboff>how can I check if its running?
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22:20<nyov>ps aux | grep udevd
22:20<xovan>kusanagi, because abuse-sdl is the old package name for abuse they made abuse-sdl a virtual package that really just points to abuse so that abuse is used when someone installs new or upgrades instead of using the old abuse-sdl
22:20<kusanagi>xovan i can see abuse conflics with abuse-sdl and abuse-sfx, but you can install abuse-sfx but you cant install abuse-sdl because it says its virtual package... shouldnt abuse-sdl point to abuse?
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22:21<xovan>sort of.
22:21<deboff>3 deamons
22:21<xovan>what it does is tell you that abuse-sdl isn't what you need.
22:22<kusanagi>what i dont get is, if abuse-sdl is pointing to abuse? why it does not say so? or just try to install it?
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22:22<kusanagi>therefore my initial question, how can i see where is pointing a virual package
22:23<kusanagi>i cant even do a apt-cache show of the package
22:23<nyov>deboff: looks like you need to wait for someone with some framebuffer knowhow. i have no idea where that /dev/fb0 should come from
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22:24<deboff>thanks nyov
22:24<deboff>I'll try to read some bits about it
22:24<xovan>kusanagi, do you get this message when you apt-get install abuse-sdl?
22:24<nyov>deboff: yeah, good luck with that upgrade
22:25<kusanagi>xovan, mmm i got virtual packages wrong.... i guess. It is not pointing to anywhere. It just sits there so when some1 upgrade from older, apt does not says the new package does not exist and remove it?
22:25<deboff>thanks nyov, tomorrow is another day...
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22:26<xovan>kusanagi, sometimes it'll complain that you need to remove a package because it no longer exists. Sometimes somebody gets lazy and doesn't throw a bug report over.
22:26<kusanagi>xovan... mmm, yes! i guess i skipped that or i just didnt try to install it and just tried to apt-cache show it :S
22:27<kusanagi>i guess thats what i was looking for ^^ thanks xovan
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22:28<kusanagi>xovan, somehow virtual packages and metapackages got confused in my mind
22:28<kusanagi>now i see the difference :D
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22:30<xovan>when I apt-cache showpkg abuse-sdl it tells me little more than it has a reverse dependency of abuse
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22:31<xovan>which means that abuse has to be installed because abuse is the only package that can correct abuse-sdl
22:32<nyov>deboff: do you firmware-linux installed? (free and nonfree)
22:32<kusanagi>i did not know about showpkg :)
22:32<nyov>+have ..d*mnit
22:32<deboff>I think so
22:32<kusanagi>the concept of reverse-dependence blows my mind tho...
22:32<kusanagi>i guess that means bed time :D
22:32<deboff>rebooting again
22:34<xovan>night then :)
22:35<deboff>yes both free and nonfree are installed
22:37<nyov>deboff: ls -l /dev/fb0
22:37<deboff>no such file or dir
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22:38<deboff>fd0 and fd/ exist
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22:41<nyov>deboff: they are floppydisk devices
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22:45<nyov>deboff: you still have that xorg.conf? try adding this in Section Device: Option "UseFBDev" "false"
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22:48<deboff>now I have tty1
22:48<deboff>but no X
22:49<nyov>no X?
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22:49<deboff>so I'll boot normally ...
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22:50<deboff>no X, unfortunately
22:51<nyov>what's the error?
22:51<deboff>prob parsing config
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22:54<deboff>I think I had a typo
22:54<deboff>rebooting again
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22:57<deboff>nyov: same result ad before, I get a logon screen but can't use mouse or keys and can't switch to tty1
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23:00<nyov>no mouse or keys... i wonder if that's related
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23:03<xovan>nyov, Xorg contains the mouse and keyboard drivers for use inside of X
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23:10<nyov>deboff: lsmod | grep aty128fb
23:11<nyov>ah you're booting rescue again, which is another system?
23:12<nyov>livecd or something?
23:12<nyov>anyway, grep -R 'aty128fb' /etc/modprobe.d/
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23:15<itzurabhi>is there a minimal debian installtion iso available?
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23:19<amitz>without internet connection?
23:19<nyov>itzurabhi: netinstall
23:19<itzurabhi>no,iso image
23:19<itzurabhi>without net
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23:22<nyov>itzurabhi: netinstall contains a very minimal bas system. only everything else need to be downloaded
23:22<itzurabhi>i am looking for a minimal os ,so that i can customize it for me needs
23:22<itzurabhi>is there a minimal install option in a debian dvd?
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23:24<xovan>actually itzurabhi you might try
23:24<xovan>damn small is a tiny debian based distro.
23:25<xovan>50 MB of goodness
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23:25<nyov>itzurabhi: never installed from dvd, but you definitely can customize it, maybe needs booting the expert option
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23:26<itzurabhi>is this DSL fully compatible with debian packages?
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23:30<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, personally, I'd recommend the netinstall (but I haven't played with DSL)
23:31<itzurabhi>does the netinstall have X or just CLI?
23:32<xovan>it only contains the base cli system.
23:32<xovan>it needs an internet connection to install anything else
23:33<xovan>that's why the standard cd installs are better for this purpose
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23:34<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, if you aren't comfortable using aptitude at cli - then don't use netinstall
23:34<xovan>the install dvd usually has your choice of desktop environment + X
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23:35<xovan>along with some of the most used programs
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23:35<c3rb>soup all?
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23:37<itzurabhi>i am not going to use a printer,do i need to install CUPS? i couldn't uninstall it from ubuntu.
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23:39<xovan>no you don't need CUPS if you aren't going to print anything.
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23:41<susa>Hey so I just got a sd card for my netbook. I want to install debian squeeze on it but I was wondering if I could dualboot it as well. I'm not quite sure how to get around the fact that dd just writes over everything and you need to use the device name not the partition. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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23:42<itzurabhi>thanks to all for the help
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23:43<vupham>i can't find directory download of mldonkey
23:43<vupham>can you help me
23:43<itzurabhi>@susa are u talking abt how to configure the bootloader?
23:43<ZykoticK9>susa, do you want to install onto, or from, the sd card? Where do dd come into play here?
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23:46<ZykoticK9>itzurabhi, just FYI putting @ before nicks prevents highlighting on xchat clients
23:46<susa>itzurabhi, ZykoticK9 I want to install debian to the sdcard. But I also want to install another linux distro to the same sdcard.
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23:47<ZykoticK9>susa, that should be possible (space permitting), just partition it
23:47<Dreakon>Anyone here know how xbindkeys works? I set the hotkeys to do various commands in moc (Music On Console)... but it doesn't seem to want to work.
23:47<susa>ZykoticK9, but the instructions say you need to use the device name and not the partition name in order for it to work
23:47<ZykoticK9>susa, i've found running from sd cards to be very slow
23:47<itzurabhi>susa:just set sd card as the first boot device and install as usual
23:47<ZykoticK9>susa, sounds like you are following direction to setup the sd card to be used as an installer
23:48<susa>ZykoticK9, yeah its just as a recovery image. it's more convenient than dedicating a usb to it when i can carry the sdcard in the netbook all the time easily.
23:48<ZykoticK9>susa, dd is NOT a step in typical debian install
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23:50<itzurabhi>susa,i prefer a usb drive instead of an sd card ,since they are faster than sd
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23:51<debon>my internal sd card reader uses usb bus and appear as a usb mass storage device when plugged
23:52<ZykoticK9>susa, oh, are you putting a Live environment on the sd? personally i'd consider doing a full install onto it.
23:52<ZykoticK9>again, space permitting
23:52<susa>ZykoticK9, it's an 8gb sd card
23:53<itzurabhi>debon:thats ok,but u get more speed from usb drive(thumb drive)
23:53<ZykoticK9>susa, assuming you want 2 distros on there - you can technically get away with a 4GB install (i did one today, but it's kinda cramped after Gnome was installed)
23:54<susa>ZykoticK9, that's what i had been referring to for using dd
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23:55<susa>ZykoticK9, the other install i want is
23:55<ZykoticK9>susa, ya, that's going to put a netinstall onto the SD card - would only be good for future installs, but running as a live environment. Is that what you want?
23:56<ZykoticK9>susa, i'm afraid I'm not sure how you could get 2 installers onto that SD following those directions. Best of luck.
23:57<ZykoticK9>susa, ^^ s/but/not/
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23:59<susa>ZykoticK9, yeah this seems difficult. thanks anyway.
23:59<ZykoticK9>susa, using the entire 8GB SD card for the small netinstall installer would kinda be a waste IMO
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