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00:41<varunj>is this channel alive?
00:42<Haven>could be
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00:55<varunj>stew/Haven - could you guys help me with a filesystem panic error that I am facing with a FAT32 partition?
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01:00<Haven>I'm still kinda learning debian myself... well, kde to be specific
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01:01<MrFrood>varunj: pop back in a few hours & it will be busier
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01:04<bones_was_here>a panic? O.o
01:04<varunj><varunj> The error is: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev hda7)
01:04<varunj><varunj> fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 74404)
01:04<varunj><varunj> File system has been set read-only
01:04<varunj><varunj> Even though the partition mounts as read-write, it automatically converts to read-only when the write operation is attempted
01:05<bones_was_here>oh i thought you meant kernel panic
01:05<bones_was_here>that looks like a corrupt/damaged filesystem
01:06<bones_was_here>is this on a removable/usb device?
01:06<varunj>Nope - on the internal hdd.
01:06<varunj>It sounds like a corrupt/damaged filesystem
01:06<bones_was_here>in many cases, linux will drop to read only when there's a filesystem problem
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01:06<varunj>Most sites suggested running fsck, but that's not available to me
01:06<bones_was_here>is this a dual boot with windows?
01:07<varunj>And fsck will probably solve the problem, but I need to find the cause for it
01:07<varunj>Nope - its an embedded device without any other OS
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01:07<varunj>I have 8 of these devices, 4 of them have the problem now
01:07<varunj>So there's obviously something which is causing it
01:07<varunj>Any ideas on how I could figure this?
01:08<jm_>make a copy of the device to a different system and run fsck there to investigate it
01:08<bones_was_here>not really...
01:08<bones_was_here>does it happen while the device is running?
01:09<varunj>jm_: how do I 'make a copy' of the device?
01:09<jm_>varunj: cat/dd/...
01:09<varunj>the hdd is soldered in, on the embedded device- can't really disconnect it
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01:10<jm_>yeah you can use ssh, NFS, ...
01:10<jm_>even nc would do
01:11<varunj>would those copy the entire filesystem WITH any of the corruptions, etc?
01:11<jm_>sure, as long as block device can be read
01:12<bones_was_here>so the first time it happens, the device is running, and you notice because the filesystem is suddenly readonly?
01:12<varunj>ok sounds like something I could try out - basically will copy just that partition to a pen drive - take it to my desktop and run fsck
01:12<varunj>Yes - it happens in the middle of a copy operation
01:12<varunj>throws up this error, and then keeps throwing it up as the rest of the write operation is going on
01:13<jm_>yup, just keep in mind file size limitation if your USB drive has fat fs on it
01:13<bones_was_here>question... if the only os on the device is debian, why is fat32 the filesystem of choice?
01:13<jm_>if you can reproduce this perhaps enabling blockdump and contacting LKML is in order
01:14<bones_was_here>if its a bug, it could be architecture specific
01:14<bones_was_here>are these ARM or other non- x86 devices?
01:14<varunj>the partition is only 1.5 gigs
01:14<varunj>but thanks
01:14<varunj>these are MIPS based
01:14<varunj>the thing is it is really erratic, and difficult to reproduce
01:14<jm_>dselect lkml
01:14<dselect>well, lkml is the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read before you post there and ALSO read
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01:15<varunj>4 of 8 devices have it. the others are running absolutely fine
01:15<bones_was_here>what happened to dpkg anyway
01:15<varunj>thanks dselect
01:15<dselect>varunj: gern geschehen
01:15<jm_>interesting - are you sure nothing is wrogn hardware wise?
01:15<bones_was_here>used to respond faster than dselect
01:16<bones_was_here>^ might be worth trying with another filesystem (eg ext2) and see if there's any problems using that
01:16<jm_>dpkg is not here
01:16<varunj>Will be trying out ext2 - but it feels a bit like running away from the problem :)
01:16<varunj>Was hoping to find the root cause
01:16<varunj>Do you think it is possible that the content I am transferring to it is corrupting the hda?
01:17<jm_>no, that shouldn't matter
01:17<bones_was_here>its possible, but would be a bug in the filesystem driver
01:18<varunj>Could you elaborate?
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01:18<bones_was_here>i have experienced filesystem drivers that corrupt data when particular data is sent
01:18<MrFrood>so almost 6 hours with no dpkg :(
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01:19<bones_was_here>most commonly i've seen apple's AFS implementations do this, but its possible in other filesystem drivers too
01:19<bones_was_here>very rare though
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01:19<bones_was_here>bugs that damage filesystems or corrupt data aren't tolerated in stable releases...
01:20<jm_>especially for fat which is so commonly used
01:20<bones_was_here>thats why i suspect its architecture specific (otherwise someone else would have noticed it by now)
01:20<bones_was_here>(if it is a bug)
01:20<varunj>bones: That's actually a worry I have - we had 40 of these devices running perfectly before. when we got a new batch produced, an hda from a new vendor was used
01:20<varunj>hmm, ok
01:21<varunj>Do you know how to or what to check to eliminate the filesystem driver issue?
01:21<bones_was_here>try another filesystem
01:21<bones_was_here>if it still happens its probably hardware
01:22<MrFrood>varunj: there is also #mipslinux on
01:22<bones_was_here>but - if its a hardware fault, it might affect different filesystems differently
01:22<bones_was_here>so the problem may not look the same with eg ext
01:22<varunj>ah - this doesn't look like an easy one to fix
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01:23<varunj>will start with fsck, then the change of filesystem
01:23<varunj>maybe will shed some light on the problem cause
01:24<bones_was_here>if you can boot the devices over network, from usb, or otherwise not from the internal hdd, you could try using dd to dump a large file onto the device raw (not onto the filesystem), then checksum it, see if it matches the original
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01:25<bones_was_here>if it doesn't, you almost certainly have a hardware fault
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01:26<bones_was_here>if it does match you're no closer or futher to figuring it out :p
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01:27<varunj>hehe, the thing is the ide has 6 partitions on it - used for various purposes
01:27<varunj>only 2 of them (both FAT32 coincedentally) are throwing up these errors. The other 2 FAT32, and 2 ext2 partitions are running flawlessly
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01:28<bones_was_here>so the same two partitions on all the devices is causing the problem?
01:28<bones_was_here>as in, they would be in the same blocks on both devices
01:29<bones_was_here>that sounds very much like hardware
01:29<varunj>that's true - but these two are the devices we are also copying the multimedia too
01:29<varunj>the rest are used for non-multimedia things
01:30<bones_was_here>maybe try swapping which partitions are used for which tasks, to try other parts of the disk?
01:30<bones_was_here>is it a disk or an ssd
01:31<bones_was_here>either way i would try the checksum test
01:31<varunj>how would i dump a large file to the device raw?
01:31<bones_was_here>since that will test the whole disk (and you could use your multimedia data as the test data)
01:32<bones_was_here>create your file, and make it available via nfs or ssh
01:32<bones_was_here>boot the device from network, usb, or anything that isn't the internal ssd
01:32<bones_was_here>mount the nfs, if applicable
01:32<varunj>I can boot from the RAM? and then mount the USB?
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01:33<bones_was_here>er i'm not sure about the capabilities of your device
01:33<varunj>RAM - I mean basically copying over tftp to the RAM
01:33<bones_was_here>all i know is it has a soldered in ssd
01:33<bones_was_here>can it boot from tftp/pxe ?
01:33<varunj>tftp - yes
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01:34<bones_was_here>ok well you should get debian booting over tftp on the devices as your next step
01:34<bones_was_here>having that working will make whatever troubleshooting work you need to do much easier
01:35<bones_was_here>you need to be able to wipe the entire ssd for proper testing
01:36<varunj>ok, so this is what I will do (please correct if I'm wrong, quite a noob honestly). 1. Boot over tftp, 2. Wipe it clean, 3. Try the large dump, 4. If doesn't point anything out, swap drives and try again
01:37<bones_was_here>thats a good start
01:38<bones_was_here>you dont need to wipe it as a separate step, dd if=file of=/dev/ssd will do that (make sure you use the device's dev entry, not one of the partitions)
01:38<varunj>Cool - thanks a lot
01:38<bones_was_here>you can pass eg bs=1024 to dd
01:38<varunj>bones will you be around on this for longer - alternatively could you give me a way to get in touch with you?
01:38<bones_was_here>which sets the size of the blocks dd will write at a time
01:39<varunj>I'm gonna have to do some reading before I can do this, though it seems hard I'd really screw things up right now :)
01:40<bones_was_here>my irc client is normally connected 24/7, but the machine that runs it might be in the process of failing, so if im not here, thats probably what happened :)
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01:40<bones_was_here>but, i'm not the only person here who knows how to use dd :)
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01:41<bones_was_here>you can always dump the original contents of the ssd back on again
01:41<varunj>yeah - I have that separately, so I'm not worried
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01:42<bones_was_here>if you're looking for fsck for fat, its in dosfstools package
01:44<varunj>is that portable?
01:46<varunj>i.e. could i just copy it to a USB and run it? or do I need to install it?
01:46<bones_was_here>should be
01:46<bones_was_here>oh er hm not sure, if it needs libraries or whatever
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01:46<bones_was_here>i rarely need to do that kind of thing, have never needed to try it with dos fsck before :p
01:47<varunj>ok will try it out
01:47<jm_>/sbin/dosfsck doesn't need anything beyond the core libs (loader + libc6)
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01:48<varunj>cool, thanks
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01:51<IceCold941>is newbie the default user name on linux? my friend set my computer up and i dont know the password? is that somehing he did or is there a default password for newbie?
01:51<jm_>IceCold941: no
01:53<IceCold941>nice.. i dont know the reason he would put a password on my computer
01:53<jm_>I do
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01:54<IceCold941>and why is that?
01:54<jm_>it makes it more secure
01:54<chealer>IceCold941: jm_ is your friend
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01:57<IceCold941>yeah but the problem is that i wont see him again untill november and i dont know the password he put on it
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01:58<sney>!i forgot root's password
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01:58<sney>dpkg: i forgot root's password
01:58<chealer>a good password is always written somewhere
01:58<sney> <dselect> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work)
01:58<chealer>sney: dpkg is ill
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02:01<jm_>I somehow doubt he would install a system for you without telling you the password
02:04<IceCold941>i wouldnt think so either.. but it seems he did.. i didnt tell him to put linux on my computer either.. but he did.. but im kinda liking it.. but the only problem im having is the user name and password?!? i cant change it? user name is Newbie and password unknown..
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02:06<babilen>IceCold941: We already told you. I am still not convinced though, but that won't change the advice.
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02:07<chealer>IceCold941: you would need the user's credential or a superuser's credentials to change it
02:07<jm_>how can you like it when you can't try it without knowing your password? try trolling somewhere else
02:08<chealer>maybe your friend just wanted you to have an unrealized desire for Linux
02:08<sney>jm_: maybe he left it logged in.
02:09<sney>xscreensaver doesn't lock on a default install
02:09<sney>he's using ubuntu anyway
02:09<sney>!otherchannel IceCold941 #ubuntu
02:09<sney>oy vey
02:09<sney>%otherchannel IceCold941 #ubuntu
02:09<dselect>IceCold941: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
02:10<IceCold941>im not trolling.. im just looking for some advice!
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02:11<sney>please follow dselect's advice.
02:11<bones_was_here>maybe ubuntu uses gdm's autologin by default
02:11<bones_was_here>but i dont think that was the case when i last used it (would have been 8.something lol)
02:11<IceCold941>it lets me use it and only ask for password when my cpu dies or goes to sleep.. and i cant change username without that password
02:12<babilen>IceCold941: We've told you how to reset root's password and we told you where to go if you need help with Ubuntu (that you are using) -- This is the wrong channel. You are welcome to install Debian and get our help, but your problem right now has nothing to do with us.
02:12<IceCold941>sorry dude
02:13<babilen>IceCold941: If you did not see the "how to reset roots password advice" it is what sney said earlier .. "For GRUB: ..." -- Good luck and have a nice day. (Further questions in #ubuntu on freenode please)
02:13<IceCold941>oh.. okay ill scroll up didnt catch it thanks
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05:29<jerryclunsford>Are the Lenny backports still available I can not connect to them?
05:32<sml>jerryclunsford: is that a bit like if a tree falls in a forest and you're not there to hear it....
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05:33<jerryclunsford>sml: I assume that is a yes.
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05:34<jerryclunsford>Did they change the address or something I used to be able to access it but not now.
05:35<sml> or use a mirror
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05:36<sml>don't forget to setup your APT pinning correctly
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05:41<sml>anyone know if it's possible to interact with a flash based website programatically?
05:42<kusanagi>when i telnet ip port, the port is tcp or udp?
05:44<sml>kusanagi: use netcat
05:44<kusanagi>thanks :D
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05:45<sml>actually you should use netcat for TCP/IP too since telnet filters out lots of chars that aren't part of the telnet proto
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05:54<fabzor3_>kusanagi, telnet is ancient technology, its how the ancient egyptians played mmo's known as muds. udp is newer technology, used by the romans for quake 3 in the gladiator era
05:54<kusanagi>lol fabzor3_ good analogy
05:54<sml>I thought they played the Royal game of Urr ?
05:54<daemonkeeper>fabzor3_: Your explanation makes no sense.
05:55<fabzor3_>perhaps but im still awesome
05:55<daemonkeeper>telnet is an application layer protocol, UDP is a transport layer protocol.
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05:55<fabzor3_>i just mean telnet predates udp technology
05:55<sml>and UDP is no younger or older than TCP
05:55<fabzor3_>fancy that
05:55<daemonkeeper>And in particular: telnet (i.e. telnet(1)) is a general purpose network client.
05:56<daemonkeeper>At least these days.
05:56<sml>and as such is why it shouldn't be used for testing anything other than telnet. which no sane person uses anyore
05:56<daemonkeeper>I use it regularly to debug HTTP, IMAP and SMTP sessions.
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05:57<daemonkeeper>Of course nobody should use it as telnet client ...
05:57<sml>I use netcat. and there are better tools for testing SMTP
05:57<daemonkeeper>So? I know SMTP, I don't need them.
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05:57<fabzor3_>i still think my analogy is awesome
05:58<sml>daemonkeeper: so using telnet you can spoof your IP to test an ACL? that's cute.
05:58<fabzor3_>quake 3 fights slaves to the death
05:58<daemonkeeper>fabzor3_: Except you are comparing apples and oranges.
05:58<fabzor3_>and slaves and lions
05:58<daemonkeeper>sml: I can't see where I claimed I would.
05:59*sml laughs at the thought of nero burning ROM
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05:59<sml>daemonkeeper: you didn't. but that's where my claim of there being better tools for testing SMTP conections came in.
06:00<daemonkeeper>sml: Well, if you want to spoof IPs you don't rely on any tool but your uplink.
06:00<sml>usually I use telnet when I'm on a windows box and therefore have no other useful tool. Can you believe it's disabled by default in Win 7?!?!
06:00<daemonkeeper>Windows has no telnet client anymore.
06:01<sml>daemonkeeper: it does it's just disabled.
06:01<daemonkeeper>Oh, ok. Don't know this, last Windows I used was Windows 98 or so.
06:01<sml>or at least it does in the Ultimate version. Maybe that's why it's ultimate? heh
06:01<sml>daemonkeeper: I don't use it by choice
06:02<daemonkeeper>Uh, no. I had Windows 2000 for quite some time.
06:02<sml>anyone know about what's happening with the mono development team?
06:02<sml>heard they'd all been laid of
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06:03<babilen>Seriously? Do you have a source for that?
06:03<daemonkeeper>babilen: Yep.
06:03<daemonkeeper>This is however not exactly breaking news.
06:03<daemonkeeper>They did two months ago.
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06:05<babilen>How could I miss that? (Apart from the fact that I have no interest in mono whatsoever)
06:05*babilen blames too much work
06:06<daemonkeeper>Well, this basically happens when Microsoft buys Novell.
06:06<daemonkeeper>So it shouldn't surprise anyone.
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06:06<sml>babilen: it's OK they've been employed by a company that provided support for the GNOME desktop
06:07<babilen>It does not surprise me, its just that I would have expected myself to be well aware of such a change. But here I am, hearing about it in my trusted channel for the time.
06:07<sml>can't remember the name. pretty much the entire team has been offered a job
06:07<sml>I can go dig up the info if you like babilen ?
06:07<daemonkeeper> Summarizes the story
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06:07<babilen>sml: I'll test my .... ^^^ or just use that :)
06:07<sml>that'll be the one ;)
06:09<babilen>Miguel saved them ... I see that as quite a bad sign.
06:09<babilen>daemonkeeper: thanks :)
06:09<sml>babilen: from two days ago:
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06:11<babilen>I will use #debian-offtopic in lieu of google in the future. I have seldom had the pleasure to be served search results in such a pleasant, relevant and timely manner before.
06:12<daemonkeeper>babilen: MrFrood insists on the fact, you don't google but you "do a decent search on the search engine of your choice, including but not limited to Google"
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06:14<sml>Well I read about it in Linux Format magazine. Yeah I read interesting stuff before bed, me.
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06:19<Quite>my backlight won't turn off on my samsung r540 laptop
06:19<Quite>minor issue, but still...
06:20<Quite>hopefully it will be fixed in wheezy
06:20<Quite>i'm not gonna mess with any backported kernel
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06:22<Quite>i should add that instead of a completely shut off light, i get a randomly messed up screen
06:22<sml>Quite: seems a common problem
06:22<Quite>oh, ok
06:23<Quite>that feels somewhat relieving ;)
06:23<sml>Quite: I guess you'll just have to be patient for a fix :) My new laptop arrives today. Yay
06:23<Quite>yes indeed
06:23<Quite>my main focus is on the audio working... and that works dandy
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06:24<Quite>i had audio dropouts in windows 7, after enough experiments i had enough
06:24<Quite>nice on your new lappy
06:24<Quite>knock on wood ;)
06:25<Quite>i have had best results with debian of all distros on laptops, personally
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06:27<sml>err, well I've only played with four distros. And I've not changed from using Debian since woody.. ;-)
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06:28<Quite>i used to run slackware in the past, then freebsd.... then a big unix hiatus of like 10 years
06:28<sml>laptop is an HP G60. Hopefully it'll be painless. First I have to remove the virus that it comes preinstaled with
06:28<Quite>tried some other distros like opensuse and recent slackware, and ubuntu
06:28<sml>Quite: they get a bit funny in here if you mention other distros ;-) shhh ;)
06:28<Quite>not as long as i long debian NOW, i guess ;)
06:28<Quite>as i run , even
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06:29<Quite>but of course, that can be seen as offtopic ;)
06:29<sml>The only difference is I'll probably run testing or sid..
06:29<sml>for a laugh :)
06:29<sml>only because I never have. I usually just setup servers so I've not played with ANY desktop stuff. Well not since wm was first released way back when.
06:30<Quite>i have a samsung r540 with core i5, 4gb ram and 500 gb hdd... pretty nice specs, but the display is pretty washed-out and with a lots of backlight bleed
06:30<Quite>seems they cut corners on the displays
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06:30<Quite>this one is a budget compaq presario with v140 cpu
06:30<sml>my g/f has a samsung and it's much the same story
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06:30<Quite>well, actually my mom's samsung has less specs, but a better screen
06:30<Quite>it's some years older
06:30<sml>she was a bit pissed off with me when she came home and found Google Chrome OS on it. She calmed down when I told her it was booted from USB
06:30*nevyn wants an amoled laptop
06:30<Quite>the presario's display sucks as well
06:31<Quite>yes thanks
06:31<Quite>on amoled
06:31<nevyn>I love the screen on my phone want it but bigger.
06:31<sml>nevyn: I probably have an amoled on the lappy I'm using now. it's a macbook pro 2010 spec. i5.
06:31<nevyn>sml: sif.
06:31<sml>I say probably since I have no idea. I don't really know much about hardware :)
06:31<Quite>i have an idea that apple put good displays in their boxes
06:32<Quite>i mean, designers use them a lot
06:32<sml>Quite: they do. they're nice machines - just very overpriced.
06:32<nevyn>sml: apple use good displays yes but they're not amoled
06:32<Quite>i don't think it's worth it, not at this point
06:32<sml>nevyn: Oh OK.
06:32<sml>Well I run parallels (vm tech) on it and run debian and a few other bits and bobs I need.
06:32*nevyn doesn't like apple
06:33<sml>nevyn: you have to admit their laptops are sexy
06:33<Quite>i'm completely windows-free since yesterday
06:33<Quite>for good and bad
06:33<sml>i guess you could just install debian on it natively.
06:33<sml>the thought has crossed my mind. but i need photoshop and various other bits n bobs.
06:33<nevyn>so their ID is good yes. but the policies and strategy is anti free software.
06:33<sml>nevyn: plus Steve Jobs is a law unto himself
06:34<Quite>i had big hopes for win7, but after endless updates without getting rid of the audio dropouts, i resorted to linux
06:34<Quite>and it works fine
06:34<nevyn>sml: plus it's a cult of personality around steve jobs yeah
06:34<Quite>yes it is, nevyn
06:34<Quite>he's like a god
06:34<sml>I have heard that Apple have patented soem tech to put in future iPhones that allows them to TURN THE CAMERA off via infrared. so they can copyright protect venues.
06:34<Quite>steve knows how to make moulah
06:35<sml>Ok then so here's a question. What is the best phone for a Linux geek?
06:35<Quite>so does bill, of course
06:35<nevyn>sml: SGS II
06:35<nevyn>sml: if youre a serious free software geek somethign running maemo
06:35<sml>Galaxy S 2 ?
06:35<fnmueller>nokia n900
06:35<nevyn>isthat even a phone?
06:36<nevyn>it was the n800 that wasn't
06:36<sml>nevyn: I think we call the SGS ii a Galaxy S 2? Isn't that a dual core Android phone?
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06:36<nevyn>sml: yeah
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06:36<Quite>dual core phone.... sounds like overkill
06:36<fnmueller>one can put debian on a n900
06:37<Quite>but then we have the screen estate...
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06:39<Quite>pretty well used estate, i'd say
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06:39<fnmueller>Quite: of course, there also is a way to use debian on that phone in a native way, this is just to show you there is no screen estate problem
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06:39<Quite>seemingly not as much as i thought, no
06:39<sml>I got a quick Q about kernel 3.0 actually. What's this IPSets malarky? is it some big change?
06:40<darkset>how can i make alt+f1 as start menu and alt+f2 as search aplications?? it dont work now :/
06:40<darkset>i have gnome
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06:41<Quite>System/Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts perhaps?
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06:41<Quite>wild guess
06:42<darkset>Quite: I be there but dont find andy positios of "start menu " or "serch aplications" ... i dont know the path to start this windows
06:43<Quite>what do you mean by start menu?
06:43<Quite>i don't have any in my gnome2
06:43<Quite>do you mean the applications menu in the top left?
06:43<darkset>yes... sorry for my english
06:43<Quite>no problemo ;)
06:43<pavi>fnmueller, I just bought an N900 only for the sake of running debian on it , there are very few pieces on the market
06:44<nevyn>pavi: does it works as a phone once debian is installed?
06:44<Quite>alt-f1 works here
06:44<Quite>it opens applications
06:44<darkset>on my gnome no
06:44<Quite>it's called "Main Menu" in the shortcuts
06:44<sml>nevyn: that's quite a funny question
06:44<Quite>under the Desktop section
06:44<darkset>mhmm ok wait a momen please
06:45<pavi>nevyn, its never a 'phone' its a 'smart phone' :P
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06:45<Quite>"show the panel's main menu"
06:45<Quite>that one
06:45<fnmueller>nevyn: but one can make calls and receive those, write sms, etc
06:45<Quite>it has Alt-F1 here
06:45<Quite>and it works like expected
06:45<nevyn>fnmueller: what software in debian does that bit?
06:46<fnmueller>nevyn: I don't recall, I friend of mine has got a n900
06:46<fnmueller>but it works flawlessly for sure
06:46<darkset>yes but i dont have it... only have : start help, start mail, start calc, ... but dont have the positions as you wrote and dont know howto add it
06:47<Quite>ah ok
06:47<Quite>well then i'm stumped
06:47<nevyn>ah so the answer is FSO
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06:47*Quite is not the gnome menu expert he would like to be
06:47<sml>yeah the N9 uses Maemo too?
06:48<sml>Oh no, that' Mego
06:48<pavi>sml, definitely a BIG NO . N9 uses meego
06:48<pavi>meego is *not* close to debian
06:48<sml>So it's quite easy to put Debian on an N900 ? Damn , when's my contract up for renewal ?
06:48<sml>pavi: sorry, was getting confused with my M's
06:48<pavi>sml, N900 production is finished . so not easily available
06:49<sml>meego, maemo. meh. :)
06:49<Quite>is it very new?
06:49<fnmueller>it is quite affordadable
06:50*Quite only has a nokia 1201
06:50<Quite>simple gsm stuff
06:50<Quite>no bells and whistles
06:50<sml>Quite: it's nice having an ssh client on your phone. that's all you need. now if someone were to write a java ssh client..
06:50<Zaba>there is midpssh
06:51<Quite>personally i need a good DAC
06:51<pavi>sml, also an irc client
06:51<Quite>my focus lies on audio
06:51<nevyn>Quite: a good dac? or a good adc?
06:51<pavi>we can run openoffice on easy debian with XFCE :)
06:51<Quite>dac, since i'm mostly listening nowadays
06:51<Zaba>midpssh is a ssh/telnet client for java-capable dumbphones, but most of such have screens too small to be useful :/
06:51<Quite>does the n900 have usb?
06:51<Quite>by the way, does the ipad have usb?
06:52<pavi>Quite, for N900 to act as USB host it needs some hacking
06:52*Quite uses ssh when he needs to manage his humble website, that's about all
06:53<Quite>what about ipad?
06:53<Quite>anyone who knows?
06:54<Quite>if so, one could connect any good USB audio dac to it
06:54<nevyn>lol ipad and peripherals lol
06:54<Quite>and hopefully get bit-perfect output in some way
06:54<Quite>it somewhat forfeits the whole idea, of course
06:55<Quite>for me, an ipad isn't very useful at this moment
06:55<nevyn>Quite: so I'm not convinced that there are any dac's that are truely horrible
06:55<Quite>they can try any advertising, i won't buy one now
06:56<nevyn>like there's things like the arduino soundcard which is obviously aweful
06:56<Quite>you're right nevyn...
06:56<Quite>but i can hear a difference between my edirol ua-1ex interface and a nuforce icon udac
06:56<nevyn>it's a 8bit micro doing pwm to play sounds
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06:56<Quite>the udac is somewhat harsher in the treble
06:56<Quite>probably awful ;)
06:56<nevyn>Quite: that's not the same thing as one is good it's just different
06:56<Quite>well, you're right
06:57<Quite>i just happen to favorize the edirol, since to me it's warmer and more musical
06:57<nevyn>right. but were in fuzzy audio perception land
06:57<Quite>oh yes we are
06:57<Quite>let's say the edirol fits my ears better
06:57<Quite>to each his own, as always
06:57<nevyn>and with a software EQ you could probably tweak the udac
06:57<Quite>that's exactly what i don't want to do
06:58<Quite>as soon as you do some audio processing you destroy the original bits
06:58<Quite>but of course, that would be a possibility
06:58<Quite>i use the udac's line out though
06:58<Quite>with this budget presario
06:58<nevyn>the original waveform was altered by the microphone, the mixing desk the summing system in use etc
06:58<Quite>to get a better sound than the internal crappy laptop speakers
06:58<Quite>i mostly use headphones really
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06:59<Quite>why not change it even more?
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06:59*nevyn looks right to his usb2 card with the AKG141 plugged into them
06:59<Quite>why change it even
06:59<nevyn>I seem to be favoring them over the SH440
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06:59<darkset>I'm beck
06:59<nevyn>something just feels better about the 141's
06:59<Quite>i have Grado
06:59<Quite>and Sennheiser HD650
07:00<Quite>actually i prefer the Grados
07:00<darkset>Quite: so you dont know howto ad this position to shortcuts of gnome?
07:00<Quite>they are only SR80s
07:00<Quite>but they have that typical Grado signature sound, with lots of treble detail
07:00<Quite>i like that presence
07:00<Quite>the Senns are more anonymous
07:00<Quite>more laid-back
07:00<Quite>no, sorry
07:01<Quite>to each his own when it comes to headphones
07:01<Quite>i have even owned Grado SR325,s but the earcup loosened from the headband
07:02<Quite>quite bad quality for such expensive phones
07:02<Quite>mechanically, that is
07:02<Quite>soundwise they are exceptional
07:02<Quite>anyway, at first i thought Grados were too bright.... but you get used to it
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07:03<Quite>they aren't directly piercing.... but they are clearly brighter than most other headphones
07:03<Quite>you can hear the reverb tails very well, and other stuff that simply gets lost with other phones
07:04*Quite is an employee at Grado
07:05<Quite>highly offtopic, sorry
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07:15<Quite>i used AKG K241 or K240 in the past
07:15<Quite>they were nice too
07:15<Quite>i have forgotten what they sounded like
07:16<Quite>more like Sennheisers than Grados, at least
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07:20<gnugr>Quite: join #debian-offtopic to discuss offtopic issue
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07:21<mkad>gnugr, how to connect coffee machine to my laptop ?
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07:29<Quite>i know... sorry
07:29<Quite>that was the last headphone rant
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07:32<Quite>on-topic again: that the backlight on my samsung r540 laptop won't shut off properly.... should i try a backported kernel?
07:32<Quite>the last time i installed one, i needed an updated linux-base
07:32<Quite>i'm just afraid to mess things up
07:32<Quite>afraid of messing, even
07:32<nevyn>gnugr: you need software that implements rfc-2324
07:33<robinetd>Quite: Don't be. Everything can be fixed.
07:33<Quite>not my looks
07:33*robinetd grabs scalpel.
07:33<robinetd>We can try.
07:33<Quite>well... i can live with the backlight issue i guess
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07:35<Quite>the screensaver is of course working, but it's not quite the same
07:37<tic^>Quite: that was alot of rant with all those CR
07:37<Quite>i love you too
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08:35<dominick>Hi! I have once tried a package from debian repository which allows to input text with the mouse. It contains moving alphabets from right to left and we control them with their mouse. A character is read when it passes from near the center of the window. Can somebody help me with the name of the package?
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08:36<lindi->dominick: Applications -> Universal Access -> Dasher
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08:37<dominick>lindi... dasher. that's the one. thanks!!
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08:51<aurimai>How to make programs, started by ssh on a remote server, use the X server on my local machine, which I run ssh from?
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08:52<jm_>aurimai: enable X11 forwarding and you need xauth on remote host
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08:54<aurimai>jm_, that's the thing: I don't have xauth on the remote host.
08:56<jm_>aurimai: in that case you'll need to use its generic forwarding feature
08:56<jm_>but I have to go now, sorry
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09:28<tt>hi, someone using open-iscsi on squeeze here?
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10:09<madadam1>Hi, someone can help me to create an ap with a acer netbook with debian installed? I've not gnome
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10:38<dattebayo>has anyone ever had problem with ATI?
10:39<dselect>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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10:42<dudz_>why is it when i boot into rescue mode and then i try to install grub does it install the base system ?
10:42<dudz_>i didn't want to do that
10:42<dudz_>all i wanted to do was re-install grub
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10:42<scisteffan>hi, not sure how to get prerouting to work (basically I want to reroute all internet connections on my machine to squid). Here's the rule I've tried: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i wlan0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
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10:59<abrotman>scisteffan: you probably should ask #netfilter on
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11:01<Kaimei>is it possible to set that "ps aux" shows only as root the processes of other users ?
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11:01<abrotman>you could use grep -v perhaps?
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11:20<moha>j'ai besoin d'installer easyubuntu mais j'y arrive pas
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11:21<themill>moha: → #ubuntu-fr
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11:33<madadam1>Hi someone can tell me which driver should I specify in hostapd.conf using
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11:51<madadam1>Hi how could I control if my wifi card is on or of from terminal?
11:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 561] by themill, themill
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11:52<sney>madadam1: with iwconfig
11:53<madadam1>sney, which voice?
11:53<Zaba>madadam1, probably nl80211
11:53<Zaba>if the kernel is new enough
11:53<madadam1>Zaba, at startup fails the initialization
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11:53<madadam1>sney, from power management?
11:54<sney>madadam1: what?
11:54<madadam1>Zaba, 2.6.32-5-686
11:54<sney>you mean whether the card is enabled? rfkill can do that iirc
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11:55<sney>madadam1: yes, that's normal iwconfig output. if you want to learn how to use it, read man iwconfig
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11:56<madadam1>sney, from that output how can I understand if the card is on or off?
11:56<sney>reeeaaad theee maaanuaaaal
11:56<madadam1>sney, ok I'm reading
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12:04<moha>est-ce y a qulqu'un qui parle francais ici
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12:05<dselect>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:07<Quite>vive la france!
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12:15<moha>Salut, je veux savoir comment installer easyubuntu sur ubuntu11.04. S'il y a quelqu'un qui peut m'aider, ca me faira plaisir.
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12:16<babilen>%otherchannel moha #ubuntu-fr
12:16<dselect>moha: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-fr on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu-fr. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
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12:21<moha>connect /server
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12:46<gob_bluth>trying to install ubuntu 10 onto a debian/xen hvm system. it seems to work and i get the ubuntu boot screen, then when i press enter to continue it hangs.
12:47<gob_bluth>just goes to a blank screen
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12:48<daemonkeeper>What's the reason to do that that complicated?
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12:49<daemonkeeper>You can just install Ubuntu by using xen-tools.
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13:36<mewmin>is CrunchBang the same as deiban?
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13:37<ompaul>mewmin: no
13:37<mohamed>can i have help to install easyubuntu?
13:37<ompaul>nor is like debian
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13:38<ompaul>mohamed: ehh no, there may be a channel on freenode for that
13:38*ompaul backs away
13:38<mewmin>does anyone know if its possible to install graphic drivers at crunchbang?
13:39*ompaul gives up
13:39<kop>ompaul: Yes, the bot is missing.
13:39<dselect>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
13:39<ompaul>kop: just went looking
13:39<ompaul>MrFrood: thanks
13:40<ompaul>mewmin: as I said, no, I guess you can read what the bot says
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13:41<mohamed>quelqu'un peut m'aider pout installer easyubuntu?
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13:42<ompaul>mohamed: nobody uses it here this is #debian
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13:45<mewmin>what do they mean with live cd? cant i run it on my desktop
13:46<MrFrood>mewmin: livecd = try before you buy type of thing
13:47<dselect>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
13:47<mewmin> - theres no live cd on the download page
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13:47<MrFrood>mewmin: see above bot message
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13:48<MrFrood>mewmin: ask in crunhbang irc
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13:48<stew>mohamed: anglais seulement en ici ; pour l'aide pour ubuntu en francais, utiliser / #ubuntu-fr
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13:54<shundake>Somebody could help me to downgrade my kernel (2.6.38-2-686) to 2.6.35-24-generic?
13:54<shundake>I don't know how I can do this
13:54<stew>shundake: 2.6.35-24-generic is a ubuntu kernel?
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13:55<winsen>hello everybody
13:55<shundake>stew: So.. I don't know...
13:55<stew>shundake: are you running debian or ubuntu? why are you downgrading your kernel?
13:56<winsen>does anyone know if i can use knoppix and UBCD with same stick? thanks
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13:56<winsen>i mean with multiboot
13:56<shundake>stew: Debian.. but I need to test the 3dsp wireless+bluetooth driver
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13:57<stew>shundake: what makes you think you want specifically 2.6.35-24-generic?
13:57<shundake>stew: The website of manufcturer only have a few kernel compiled drivers....
13:57<shundake>stew: Sorry for my bad enlgish...
13:57<stew>shundake: do they provide patches or source as well?
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13:57<shundake>stew: Don't
13:58<derric>Hello, anybody know if debian can grab file over USB from Canon FS100 Flash camcorder?
13:58<shundake>stew: So.. I received a package from my boss, that contains the install script, and it only have the drivers for kernel 2.6.35 ....
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14:00<shundake>stew: so.. I downloaded other package... Named for Debian... But the kernel it uses is too old (2.6.26)
14:00<shundake>stew: And I can't use any kernel older than 2.6.32
14:00<stew>derric: all the canon devices I've seen unfortunately don't support usb-mass-storage, but you can access the data via libgphoto2.2, so you might "aptitude search '~Dlibgphoto2-2'" to find applicaitons which use this library
14:00<stew>shundake: that sucks, you should get source code
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14:02<shundake>stew: I tried a package from this link
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14:05<shundake>stew: It compiled as well, but when we modprobe the drivers... It returns this message for alll drivers:
14:06<derric>Stew: Thanks I will.
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14:09<pgianni>hi is any body there?
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14:09<tic^>nope, no one is here.
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14:13<shundake>stew: So... Do you know something or somebody who may help me with this?
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14:20<Rehnquist>hi guys, i've just reinstalled my system, upgraded to wheezy using apt-get distro-upgrade and everything seems to be fine except for one detail
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14:21<stew>shundake: i don't know, sorry
14:21<Rehnquist>whenever i run apt-get now, it gives a list of packages that were auto-installed and are no longer needed - almost the entire system is listed here, however
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14:22<MrFrood>Rehnquist: #debian-next for testing issues
14:22<shundake>stew: Oh.. Ok.
14:22<shundake>stew: Thx
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14:22<stew>Rehnquist: if there are packages in that list you wish to keep you can mark them as manually installed with "apttiude unmarkauto pacakgename" or "apt-mark unmarkauto pacakgename"
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14:23<shundake>stew: So.. Do you may teach me how I get dowgrade this kernel?
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14:24<stew>shundake: i don't think that running a ubuntu kernel is the right thing to do
14:24<shundake>stew: It may be any old kernel... Only to show to my boss the compiled driver
14:25<shundake>stew: May be the kernel 2.6.32-5-686
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14:26<shundake>stew: Coz's I know it is the stable kernel of Squeeze... But I need to test, and show the drivers with all current configurations
14:26<stew>shundake: what version of debian are you running?
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14:28<shundake>stew: SId.. I think... Coz' the modules in /lib/modules I see is 2.6.26-2-686
14:28<SynrG>that's lenny
14:29<SynrG>sid is unstable, which is at 2.6.39 (soon to be 3.0.0)
14:29<SynrG>lenny is oldstable and has 2.6.26
14:29<shundake>stew: But I can't see the init and vmlinuz .. And It doesn't appear in grub, even I run update-grub
14:29<SynrG>not surprising, which says it's for ubuntu, doesn't work on debian
14:29<shundake>SynrG: Thx ^^x
14:30<shundake>SynrG: But, I saw some foruns where some user's got it working with this package
14:30<SynrG>the new stable release, squeeze, supercedes lenny. you're encouraged to upgrade.
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14:30<shundake>SynrG: But... All I saw is too old
14:30<SynrG>it has been out since february
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14:31<shundake>SynrG: So... may you help me?
14:32<SynrG>you're trying to get a package *made for ubuntu* to work on a deprecated old version of debian. and you want help here? good luck.
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14:32<shundake>SynrG: Oh.. Sorry to disturb you man... But.. The only package that contains anything about debian is only for 2.6.26
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14:33<SynrG>what do you mean 'anything about debian'? is there doc in the package saying it should work with debian?
14:34<shundake>SynrG: So.. If you have all the intelligence of this world... May show me what I can do with .
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14:34<SynrG>or are you just guessing based on the presence of a directory named 'debian'? if the latter, then you've been misled.
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14:36<shundake>SynrG: Look
14:36<SynrG>dpkg-buildpackage requires a directory called 'debian' which contains all of the packaging material (control file, changelog, rules file, maintainer scripts, etc.)
14:36<SynrG>the presence of such a directory does *not* indicate compatibility with debian
14:36<shundake>SynrG: I didn't said anything about it.. I just said that I had trid it.
14:36<shundake>SynrG: Did you never had a mistake?
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14:37<shundake>SynrG: Oh.. Wrong link
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14:37<shundake>SynrG: I'll back later
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14:38<SynrG>shundake: ah
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14:38<SynrG>and that says specifically Debian 5.0
14:38<SynrG>which is lenny ... so ... you're out of luck there.
14:39<SynrG>shundake: anyway, i wasn't being critical. i was just trying to make guesses, since before you gave the link you were a bit vague about how, in particular, it "mentioned debian"
14:40<shundake>SynrG: I didn't know the current kernel (away coz' I'm in skype conference)
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14:40<shundake>SynrG: I guessed the kernel was the 2.6.26
14:40<shundake>SynrG: I'll back
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14:48<tai>Where can I find an install guide for the code running
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14:48<winsen>hi,anybody knows if grml works on graphic ?thanks
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14:50<ml|>winsen: #grml on
14:50<klur>I am sick of disabling those annoying system beeps for any tools (bash, less...). How can I disable that for all tools regardless of whether it's a real or virtual console?
14:50<winsen><ml|>thanks foe answer
14:51<dudz_>klur, disconnect the motherboard speaker
14:51<stew>klur: /msg dselect bell
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14:53<winsen>no grml on and #grml is empty
14:53<klur>stew, thanks
14:54<stew>winsen: i see 82 users there
14:54<winsen><stew>where please?
14:54<stew>winsen: in #grml on
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14:56<devil>winsen: btw.: your comment in was rather stupid when you were pointed to #debian
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14:56<winsen><ml|><stew>yes that's right thanks , sorry cause i was in OFTC server
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14:58<winsen><devil>sorry i am just stupid man
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15:08<Fully>How can I set a custom keymap for the console?
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15:08<Fully>I now do install-keymap, but I would like it to be persistent after restart
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15:13<valdyn>judd: keymap
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15:16<ml|>dselect: keymap
15:16<dselect>Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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15:18<Fully>thanks, I have tried that, but the thing is, I have a custom keymap
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15:29<Fully>I finally solved it, thanks anyway!
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15:30<Class>i cant manage to mount my external hdd
15:30<Class>its on usb interface
15:31<Class>actually i mounted it manually
15:31<Class>but normal user cant access the date
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15:31<Class>but only the root
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15:31<Class>i cant chown since its read only
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15:32<Class>i need to access information as normal user
15:32<Class>i have photos movies etc and need gui to see
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15:33<Class>i do not have much space on my internal hdd to copy them'
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15:34<shundake>SynrG: I'm back
15:34<devil>Class: ever tried pmount?
15:34<Class>no i have never heard
15:35<devil>Class: its a tool to mount external devices
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15:36<devil>Class: you use it like: pmount /dev/sdX
15:36<Class>devil, wow cool
15:36<Class>it works
15:37<babilen>what have you been using before to mount it?
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15:37<Class>babilen, just simple
15:37<Class>mount command
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15:38<babilen>Class: Ok, that would explain it. What kind of desktop environment/window manager do you use? But pmount is nice and I use it myself ... there might just be solutions that are better integrated into your setup.
15:39<Class>babilen, i have gnome
15:39<babilen>Class: And you can not mount it through nautilus?
15:39<Class>i cant mount it via gui
15:39<Class>even when i mount via terminal i cant access it
15:40<Class>with normal user
15:40<babilen>You are probably a member of the "plugdev" group, aren't you? (check with "groups")
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15:40<Class>babilen, yes
15:41<babilen>Class: Please consider using punctuation instead of the enter key ;)
15:41<Class>so thats why im having this problem ?
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15:41<babilen>Class: You are *not* a member of that group?
15:41<Class>no im a member if that group plugdev:x:46:classical,username
15:42<babilen>You have to be, if you are it is probably due to permissions. Do you get an error when you try to mount it through nautilus?
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15:43<Class>anyway pmount works great i will use it
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15:45<babilen>ok, if you are happy I will seize my support.
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15:46<jhutchins_lt>babilen: cease?
15:47<jhutchins_lt>Your English is still a lot better than my German.
15:47<babilen>Class: One thing I would try, however, is "chown youruser:youruser /media/whatever" now. Then unmount it (with pumount) and try nautilus again.
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15:48<Class>babilen, i tried
15:48<babilen>Class: Or mount it manually with root and chown it as root to youruser:youruser -- then try again with nautilus if the first didn't work.
15:48<Class>but since its read only i cant chown it
15:49<chewyboy000>i can't get the iso for debian can somebody tell me how
15:49<babilen>Class: It is still read only, even after mounting it with pmount? Or for root when you do it manually? Which filesystem is that?
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15:49<babilen>chewyboy000: Which ISO are you looking for?
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15:49<chewyboy000>the debian iso
15:50<Class>babilen, aa after mounting with pmount i think its not anymore
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15:50<Class>ya this will work
15:50<themill>chewyboy000: there's a very prominent link at
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15:51<chewyboy000>ive tried using it would not boot'
15:51<babilen>chewyboy000: You can get them from, for example, -- but there are many links on the main debian website as well.
15:51*themill wonders what is
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15:51<babilen>chewyboy000: Try -- Do you have a working network connection during the installation? Have you used Debian or Linux before?
15:51<retrospectacus>"bellini" ?? it has a link to d.o though
15:52<babilen>themill: redirects to
15:52<babilen>chewyboy000: Which ISO did you try and what happened when you tried to boot it?
15:52<themill>babilen: I've never tried to boot from a website...
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15:52<chewyboy000>i tried the network boot it did not work
15:52<babilen>themill: heh
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15:53<babilen>chewyboy000: Did you setup a tftp and dhcp server for the network boot?
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15:53<wildwolf>hi everybody
15:54<chewyboy000>i just want the whole operating system so I can use it on a virtual maching
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15:54<babilen>chewyboy000: Please tell me what you are trying to achieve (I want to install Debian amd64/i386/ppc/... on a ... system and can connect to the internet with a ... connection)
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15:55<babilen>chewyboy000: Which architecture? Do you want a desktop environment or just a minimal system? Do you have a working internet connection?
15:55<chewyboy000>I am trying to get a iso that will work on virtual box
15:56<babilen>chewyboy000: Be that as it may, get your image from -- *All* the images will work on a vbox, but not all architectures.
15:56<babilen>chewyboy000: Which ISO did you try *exactly*
15:56<chewyboy000>I want a desktop environment everytime
15:57<chewyboy000>I get the iso it sends it to a debian grub prompt
15:57<babilen>chewyboy000: Ok, get the CD1/DVD1/BD1 of your choice of architecture in that case. There are different flavours for CD1 -- /msg dpkg various cd1
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15:58<retrospectacus>chewyboy000: if that's the problem you're having, why would you come in here and ask "where can I get a debian ISO"????
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15:58<babilen>chewyboy000: Which iso *exactly* did you try? What happens when you try to boot Debian? You obviously found the ISOs already and have a different problem now. What is it?
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15:58<hachi>hello, I'm having an issue with apt-get where it won't install recommended packages, I have the value of the setting in the config file set to "1" and I'm even including --install-recommends on the command line
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15:59<retrospectacus>chewyboy000: the correct question is "I installed debain version __ from __ iso and it's going to grub instead of booting"
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15:59<hachi>does anyone know what might be going on that I've got this bungled up?
15:59<chewyboy000>well I tried the dvd iso then after I installed it it sent me to a grub prompt
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16:00<chewyboy000>grub is the boot manager
16:00<retrospectacus>chewyboy000: installing again with a different iso is not going to help
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16:01<retrospectacus>yes you said that
16:02<retrospectacus>and caps lock day was yesterday
16:02<babilen>chewyboy000: Which ISO did you use? What happens if you try to boot the installer from the grub meny?
16:02<dselect>Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. #vbox on See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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16:02<devil>chewyboy000: are you familiar with booting ISOs in virtualbox?
16:02<chewyboy000>I USED THE DVD ISO
16:02<devil>no caps please
16:02<chewyboy000>WHOOPS THE CAPS LOCK IS ON'
16:02<jhutchins_lt>chewyboy000: Does the grub menu eventually time out?
16:02<devil>oh, is it? ;)
16:03<chewyboy000>sorry its off now
16:03<babilen>chewyboy000: Which one? amd64? i386? armel? ia64? -- Did you let vbox boot from the ISO?
16:03<jhutchins_lt>chewyboy000: There are something like 52 different iso's available. WHICH one did you use?
16:03<retrospectacus>paste the iso filename here
16:03<chewyboy000>i386 yes it did let me BOOT the iso
16:04<chewyboy000>Do you want me to try downloading the iso again
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16:04<themill>chewyboy000: no, they want you to actually say which iso you used.
16:05<jhutchins_lt>chewyboy000: If you ran the installer and got a grub prompt the installer must've done something. What happens at the grub prompt?
16:05<jhutchins_lt>chewyboy000: Does it have menu entries?
16:05<babilen>themill: Thanks ;) -- The question "Which ISO did you use?" might have been a bit ambiguous
16:05<chewyboy000>it says type a command
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16:06<babilen>chewyboy000: Just hit enter. What happens if you do that?
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16:06<chewyboy000>command error
16:06<themill>babilen: yeah, I noticed that was the case.
16:07<jhutchins_lt>Sounds like maybe it's not finding /boot
16:07<chewyboy000>I just want a direct download of the iso
16:07<retrospectacus>and we still don't know which ISO he used
16:07<retrospectacus>chewyboy000: we gave you that long ago... and told you it won't make a difference
16:08<jhutchins_lt>We also don't know what virtualization he's on, or if it needs a special kernel.
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16:08<chewyboy000>but I axedently downloaded the network boot
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16:09<chewyboy000>I just found the iso I wanted
16:10<chewyboy000>It's confusing it says amd64 i286 powerpc sparc
16:10<retrospectacus>if you had the wrong one before it would not have installed....
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16:11<chewyboy000>problem fixed I downloaded the wrong iso
16:12<retrospectacus>glad to hear everything is working great now... see you again in a few minutes
16:12<chewyboy000>hAha very funny
16:13<retrospectacus>can you tell us the ISO filenames now?
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16:15<chewyboy000>knj lvvvvvbgmh,kulik,ntgvghguiyohjgvyftujhknbgvytu8
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16:16<themill>chewyboy000: enough of that, thanks
16:16<thomas_>Hi everyone,, have a problem with my laptop (P3 750Mhz - 128Mb Ram - 10Go HDD). I installed debian, slim, xserver and openbox. Installation is fine but when i restart my laptop, black screen appear and nothing else, even if i right click. But the funny thing is that if i plug another screen in VGA when i restart the laptop... the screen of the laptop work fine... Can you help me ? Because... I d like to use my laptop without an other screen :D
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16:17<lindi->thomas_: 750 MHz processor and 128 MB of RAM?
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16:17<thomas_>yep lindi
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16:18<thomas_>and i try to do something with it :D
16:18<lindi->thomas_: does it boot properly?
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16:19<thomas_>yeah, no problem, i see the grub, can choose and can see prompt command with the other mode.
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16:19<fnmueller>thomas_: maybe the external vga port is prioticed in the bios
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16:20<thomas_>i look at it
16:20<lindi->thomas_: so it's only rebooting that causes the problem?
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16:21<thomas_>no it's xserver i thing
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16:22<thomas_>no probl with the priority fnmueller
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16:23<fnmueller>thomas_: ok, what does xrandr tell you if the external montor is plugged in?
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16:25<thomas_>maybe i can give you some log events. But, i m new with debian and dont know where find it
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16:25<thomas_>fnmueller, 1 sec, i try
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16:27<thomas_>when i wrote "xrandr", it tell me : can't open display
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16:28<fnmueller>hmm, in that I someone more experienced in that matter should take over
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16:28<jhutchins_lt>thomas_: need to run it as user, not root.
16:30<thomas_>same. But, do i have to boot with my vga plugged ?
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16:31<thomas_>no, but actually i thing that we are going to find the problem in the log file. But, where can i find it ?
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16:36<thomas_>oh, i thig i find something, my slim log file is very big. (can't open it with nano) more thant 800 Mo !
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16:37<retrospectacus>thomas_: read the end of it with ''tail''
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16:39<thomas_>(EE) R128(0) R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE idle -9
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16:40<thomas_>(EE) R128(0) Idle timed out, resetting engine...
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16:40<thomas_>(EE) R128(0) R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE stop -9
16:40<thomas_>(EE) R128(0) R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE start -9
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16:43<thomas_>any idea ? :(
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16:48<jifix>i want to make a script to take text from a website
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16:49<jifix>can someone help
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16:50<babilen>jifix: python + beautifulsoup is working perfectly for scraping. But you probably want to ask in channels that are specific to the programming languages you speak, or what does this have to do with Debian? Are you looking for readily available scrapers?
16:50<retrospectacus>jifix: If you just want to dump/render HTML, see (links|links2|lynx|w3m) -dump, html2text, or vilistextum. For parsing out pieces of data, see tidy+(xmlstarlet|xmlgawk|xpath|xml2), or learn xslt
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16:51<koosha>does any one have an idea about the problem: "stack protector enabled but no compiler support"?! any patch, or solution?!
16:51<babilen>jifix: There are probably a million ways to do this and you have to specify your needs and what you are trying to achieve just a little bit more precise ;)
16:51<babilen>koosha: Never heard about that. Please provide some context. Preferrably on if applicable.
16:52<thomas_>Sorry, but any idea for my problem ?
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16:53<devil>thomas_: did you google the above output? there is lots of input
16:53<fnmueller>thomas_: to me it sounds liek all you have to do is specify the correct gpu and output to use in xorg.conf, but I can't verify
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16:54<thomas_>devil : yeah i did it but don't found anything.
16:54<chealer>thomas_: which Debian suite do you use?
16:54<babilen>thomas_: I'll be with you in some minutes if no help has been found until then. I would be very interested in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the fact if you can start X manually (i.e. without slim) -- One way to do that is: X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm
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16:57<thomas_>thx for help everyone. For the version : how can i find it ? (because i've install it long time ago (2-3 month)
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16:57<thomas_>fnmueller : sounds me good, i have to check my configuration .
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16:58<fnmueller>thomas_: good, luck, babilen should be pretty apt
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16:59<chealer>dselect: version
16:59<dselect>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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17:02<thomas_>Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Débian 2.6.32-35) ( (gcc version 4.3.5 (debian 4.3.5-4)
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17:04<chealer>thomas_: I was asking about your Debian version
17:05<chealer>thomas_: what does $ cat /etc/debian_version; output?
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17:05<thomas_>oh sorry 6.0.2
17:06<chealer>thomas_: which graphics card do you use?
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17:08<thomas_>lspci, right ? ati rage mobility m3 agp 2x
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17:11<thomas_>Mmmmh. maybe driver problem ?
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17:12<chealer>thomas_: right
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17:13<chealer>thomas_: yes. did you try the vesa driver instead?
17:13<thomas_>don't think so... is there a command for this ?
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17:16<chealer>thomas_: not really. you could install the vesa driver (xserver-xorg-video-vesa) and uninstall r128 (xserver-xorg-video-r128) but there's a certain risk if vesa works even worst than r128 that you'll need to recover on the command line
17:16<chealer>thomas_: otherwise you can configure X to use vesa but there is no UI for that (xorg.conf)
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17:21<troll>I installed pulseaudio but some applications (iceweasle) still use the the monitor boxes and not what i choose under sound preferences
17:21<troll>hep me plz hep!
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17:22<__Alex_>Why woul'd you install Pulse?
17:23<thomas_>it works with vesa !!! WAOUH
17:23<thomas_>THX a lot chealer !!!!
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17:23<__Alex_>troll: And what do you mean by 'Monitor boxes'
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17:23<babilen>troll: You want something like in /etc/asound.conf. Restart PA afterwards.
17:23<retrospectacus>!google translate czech en Zdolávání vrcholu ze všech světových stran
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17:23<retrospectacus>oops sorry wrong place....
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17:26<__Alex_>retrispectacus: It means: Fighting to the tops from all world Partys
17:27<troll>__Alex_ i had the problem i was to retarded to switch from my boxes to the headset. so someone here tould me to install pulseaudio. I like it and would like to use it but all applications do not care what i select in that pulseaudio sound preferences
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17:28<__Alex_>I guess you need to kill somehow alsa
17:28<__Alex_>I need to go now
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17:31<babilen>troll: Is it a USB headset? Have you tried what I've mentioned earlier?
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17:33<troll><babilen> no i dont wanna rewrite a config file everytime i wanna switch between headset and boxes. i want get the sound woring with pulseaudio
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17:34<babilen>I don't quite follow. Please elaborate.
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17:34<lindi->troll: you say iceweasel but do you perhaps mean adobe flash plugin?
17:35<babilen>lindi-: Almost certainly.
17:35<troll>lindi i think all applications generally
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17:35<babilen>troll: What makes you think that what I suggested would cause you to have to change a configuration file every time you switch? And is it an USB headset?
17:36<babilen>troll: Is it just iceweasel, *all* applications or just a specific subset? Why don't you at least *try* what I suggested?
17:36<troll><babilen> is your sugestion working with pulseaudio or alsa?
17:37<lindi->babilen: do you know if there's some package in debian that adds pcm.!default { type pulse } automatically? Ubuntu must have someting like that?
17:37<babilen>troll: Pulseaudio -- It's what you are using, so I am working under that assumption.
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17:38<babilen>lindi-: No, I don't.
17:38<troll><babilen> no its what i wanna use but some applications still dont realise that
17:39<babilen>lindi-: But you are right, I am almost certain that PA ships that in Ubuntu, but I haven't investigated it. I am also a bit surprised that PA's README.Debian does not mention it.
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17:39<troll><lindi-> yes i think its just these plugin
17:39<babilen>troll: So, do they behave differently if you use the /etc/asound.conf I gave you and restarted PA?
17:41<lindi->babilen: yes it sounds like something we need to fix
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17:41<troll>its just urban terror
17:42<troll>and the flashplugin
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17:42<babilen>lindi-: Indeed. I'll have a look later, but I want to spend my Debian time on getting some packages ready. It is a bit problematic though.
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17:43<babilen>lindi-: And I don't know enough about PA in order to suggest that /etc/asound.conf should be shipped by default. But this should at least be mentioned in the README.Debian. Would be good to open a bug to discuss this as the fix is quite trivial.
17:44<troll>i dont need to modify it
17:44<babilen>troll: So, is it working now?
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17:44<lindi->babilen: on maverick "strace -o s -s4096 -f speaker-test -t sine; grep open\( s | grep pulse | grep alsa" lists /usr/share/alsa/pulse.conf which is part of pulseaudio
17:45<troll>babilen generally yes but just for some things not
17:45<troll>system sound not as well
17:45<troll>okey i install it
17:45<babilen>troll: With the configuration I provided?
17:45<babilen>lindi-: Looks as if it would make sense to ship it by default then.
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17:47<lindi->babilen: seems it was added in ubuntu in 2008
17:47<troll>babilen done! how to restart?
17:47<troll>/etc/init.d/asound restart ?
17:47<lindi->troll: not needed, there's no state
17:48<babilen>troll: "service pulseaudio restart" or " /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart" is a start.
17:48<babilen>troll: But just try it now.
17:48<Black_Prince>service isn't in Debian by default and init.d pulseaudio script is for system daemon which isn't either configured by default
17:49<lindi->babilen: indeed you shouldn't run pulseaudio as systemwide service
17:49<troll>babilen use it => no good
17:49<babilen>lindi-: right, I suck at PA :)
17:50<babilen>lindi-: That bug needs some love ...
17:50<Black_Prince>and interesting thread from fdn which worked for me
17:51<lindi->babilen: replying to
17:51<troll>the system sounds still use the wrong output too
17:51<troll>the system sounds still use the wrong output too
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17:52*Black_Prince corrects himself. -> "service" is included in default debian install ...
17:52<babilen>lindi-: That sounds like a good approach.
17:53*babilen goes back to packaging ...
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: is there any advantage to using service as opposed to just calling the init script directly?
17:56<Black_Prince>jhutchins_lt, I tought that the "service" thing was upstart-related
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17:56<Black_Prince>My bad :)
17:56<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Nah, it was on RH long ago.
17:56<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: I think it's just a tool so people don't have to remember the init path.
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17:56<Black_Prince>invoke-rc.d is the one I use :)
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17:57<troll>i restarted noo good
17:57<troll>the system sounds still are on the boxs
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17:58<lindi->Black_Prince: is invoke-rc.d someting that administrators should use?
17:59<babilen>Black_Prince: invoke-rc.d is not to be used by users IIRC -- There was this horribly lengthy thread on d-d once ... (mainly concerned with disabling services)
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17:59<anirban>to install firefox do i have to remove iceweassl
17:59<lindi->babilen: indeed, I remember that thread
18:00<lindi->babilen: and it's sad that we still don't have a good solution
18:00<lindi->babilen: I'm using my own hand-hacked solution still
18:00<Black_Prince>For disabling I use insserv ... Also, update-rc.d is for disabling services, invoke-rc.d is for starting services by maint scripts iirc...
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18:00<MrFrood>anirban: iceweasel is firefox in all but name
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18:01<anirban>MrFrood, i know that, i am building a deb of firefox5 , so if i want to install it [ btw if its build properly]
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18:02<MrFrood>anirban: for iceweasel 5
18:03<anirban>so thats it, i dont have to build XD
18:03<jhutchins_lt>MrFrood: Is that "beta"?
18:04<MrFrood>current I think. they just switched vrom using version numbers
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18:05<Black_Prince>m.d.n sources line changed? doh
18:05<MrFrood>I still have the line deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0 in sources list - I need to update
18:06<jhutchins_lt>MrFrood: Prob'ly ought to take a look at the site, they have 3.0, 3.5,3.6, beta, and aurora. (and "release").
18:06<anirban>what about arurra
18:06<anirban>aurora *
18:06<Black_Prince>the iceweasel-5.0. still works, wow
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18:08<MrFrood>yeah, I meant release
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18:08<MrFrood>jhutchins_lt: it has only just changed
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18:09<jhutchins_lt>They should explain that better.
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18:13<jhutchins_lt>I mean on the page, where it would be useful.
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18:14<MrFrood>jhutchins_lt: now you are just being silly, that would go against years off Debian tradition...
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18:15<MrFrood>grifter: try %test
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18:18<retrospectacus>hello again
18:18<the_grifter>sorry was trying to get this irc client working.
18:18<dselect>Test failed.
18:18<the_grifter>i was wondering if someone could do me a favor.
18:19<the_grifter>can someone `apt-get update` and then give me a `ls -lt` of /var/lib/apt/lists
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18:19<the_grifter>i want to see how debian names the packages and source files it downloads
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18:20<retrospectacus>it will depend a lot on your sources.list
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18:21<jhutchins_lt>the_grifter: stuff like security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_non-free_binary-i386_Packages
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18:22<the_grifter>so on base i can't use apt-get update etc. when i was on ubuntu i hacked together a script that used wget to download the packages i needed then used `apt-get update --force` to update
18:22<the_grifter>thank you to jhutchins and retrospectacus
18:23<MrFrood>the_grifter: why not dpkg if downloading with wget
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18:23<the_grifter>honestly because i didn't think of doing it :)
18:24<the_grifter>i was in apt-get mode and sort of had blinders on
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18:24<dselect>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.
18:24<troll>how do i go into the system sound settings?
18:24<the_grifter>apt-zip is new to me, thank you dselect
18:24<retrospectacus>troll: it depends
18:24<MrFrood>new to me too
18:25<the_grifter>err, thank you to "themill"
18:25<troll>thats what i do
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18:26<the_grifter>bathtime for my son, sorry to bug out, i'll be back to lurk
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18:26<retrospectacus>troll: I'm not reading all that. Just explain your problem
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18:59<Black_Prince>XFS or JFS (File system)? Which one should I try?
19:00<Black_Prince>Myself :P
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19:01<Black_Prince>I want to reinstall Debian and I want to change file system (ext3 currently), to try something new.
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19:03<lindi->Black_Prince: to get exciting new bugs? :)
19:03<Nemoder>why not go with ext4
19:03<retrospectacus>I've used XFS with no trouble on a NAS box I have. I think it is suitable for large files. Don't know anything about JFS
19:04<Black_Prince>lindi-, yes
19:04<retrospectacus>ext4 is too mainstream for Black_Prince
19:04<Black_Prince>Nemoder, I want to try something other than ext file systems
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19:04<Black_Prince>retrospectacus, Then I'll give jfs a try :P
19:04<Nemoder>oh well, I still run reiserfs
19:05<Black_Prince>I can try btrfs :>
19:05<dselect>i guess jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!
19:05<retrospectacus>sounds aight
19:05<Black_Prince>kewl, jfs here I come
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19:07<retrospectacus>I have ocfs2 on some server hardware - now that's interesting
19:08<Black_Prince>According to this one (Even it is a bit old, but my hardware is similar) xfs should be fine.
19:11<Black_Prince>Major problem for me with either jfs or xfs would be that they don't support shrink/grow
19:11<Black_Prince>But I can live without it ...
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19:12<sylar>I was fsck-ing a disk, and it found an error,and asked me if to ignore, I answer yes, and now it ask me if to force rewrite
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19:12<sylar>anyone knows what that force rewrite is?
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19:12<jhutchins_lt>sylar: One server or the other.
19:13<jhutchins_lt>sylar: While the manpage is quite alarmist, the average user only has one option.
19:14<Black_Prince>The option to throw your disk into garbage and buy a new one?
19:14<sylar>jhutchins_lt, apologies to those monitoring both servers
19:14<bluenemo_>hi guys, i'm normally only doing servers, i just installed a fresh debian without gui and am now installing lxde. i want to auto startup a login manager (you know click your user and give the pw and get a running lxde) how do i do that?
19:14<sylar>I hope not Black_Prince there is some important stuff there
19:14<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo_: kdm,gdm, xdm, nodm, etc.
19:14<Black_Prince>bluenemo_, gdm kdm xdm x
19:15<sylar>jhutchins_lt, and the option is to answer yes?
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19:15<jhutchins_lt>sylar: If you did not back it up it is by definition not important.
19:15<jhutchins_lt>sylar: Read the manpage so you know what's going on first, but yes.
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19:16<bluenemo_>just install xdm and it will do the rest by itself?
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19:17<sylar>jhutchins_lt, from brief look at the man page I didn't find the section wehre it discusses the force rewrite, and the word rewrite doesn't appear
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19:17<sylar>in the man page
19:17<lindi->bluenemo_: if you want to click your user then use gdm3
19:17<bluenemo_>hm... wont that install all the other gnome bull? i really only want a login manager :)
19:18<lindi->bluenemo_: you wanted to click :)
19:18<bluenemo_>my customer does :D
19:18<lindi->bluenemo_: it supports a lot more than xdm does
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19:18<lindi->bluenemo_: and xdm is horribly ugly if you ask me
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19:19<jhutchins_lt>sylar: There are 3-4 man pages, and there's some online docs too.
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19:19<sylar>what do u mean by 3-4?
19:20<sylar>(not in sections 3,4)
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19:24<jhutchins_lt>3-4 different man pages.
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19:26<bluenemo_>hm when i install gdm and update-rc.d gdm defaults it it should work on startup right?
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19:31<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo_: Yup.
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19:43<jovy>quiet in here!
19:44<retrospectacus>everyone's debian is working perfectly
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19:50<jovy>Has anyone here use puppet to configure their debian boxes?
19:51<stew>jovy: its safe to assume many do. just ask your real question
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20:17<gob>my sound stopped after I pressed the mute button. When I pressed the mute button a second time the sound did not return.
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20:17<gob>How do I fix this?
20:17<gob>I tried to restart alsa-utils.
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20:18<lindi->gob: which mute button did you press? gnome? pulseaudio?
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20:18<gob>The mute button on my laptop.
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20:20<lindi->gob: uhm ok, no idea then
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20:21<gob>I guess I will have to reboot.
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20:21<estudante>ufa!! get connect to IRC
20:23<estudante>I was problem in the sudo
20:23<babilen>estudante: What is that problem? And would you perhaps prefer to chat in a different language?
20:24<estudante>bash: sudo: command not found
20:24<gob>my sound stopped after I pressed the mute button. When I pressed the mute button a second time the sound did not return.
20:25<gob>How do I fix this?
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20:25<estudante>but i used the command su-to-root
20:25<babilen>estudante: You have to install and configure it. Debian does not ship is by default and you can work as root. ("su" + root password or "su -c 'command_to_run_as_root'")
20:25<babilen>%tell estudante about sudo
20:27<babilen>estudante: The easiest way is probably to install sudo and add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser YOURUSER sudo" -- relogin and it should work as you probably expect it to behave.
20:28<jovy>try to use the function keys on your laptop to increase the volume,gob
20:28<gob>I did.
20:28<estudante>but "su" failed
20:28<jovy>are you using pulseaudio
20:29<gob>I have to check that. One moment...
20:29<estudante>but "su-to-root -c <command>" works
20:29<babilen>estudante: You run "su" and give your root password and that fails? How does it fail?
20:29<MrFrood>estudante: su -c 'comand' with the quotes
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20:30<gob>I think I am using alsa-mixer.
20:31<estudante>su: failed authentication
20:31<MrFrood>if more that just one command to be run just su by its self
20:31<gob>How can I tell if I am using pulse-audio?
20:31<gob>I tried "ps aux | grep audio".
20:31<nevyn>gob: pactl stat
20:31<MrFrood>gob: you will have horrible latencies
20:32<nevyn>MrFrood: you're kidding right?
20:32<MrFrood>nevyn: no
20:32<MrFrood>it's why I don't like pulse
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20:32<gob>pactl: command not found
20:32<nevyn>gob: you don't have pulse.
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20:33<gob>What now?
20:33<babilen>estudante: That is not the output you get. Are you sure that you got the password right? Do you use the same password with su-to-root and su?
20:34<babilen>estudante: May I see the output of: su-to-root -c 'echo "foo"'
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20:35<babilen>estudante: Paste that to please.
20:35<jovy>gob: ls /etc/init.d and check to see if pulseaudio is there.
20:35<gob>I already did. It is not there.
20:35<nevyn>if you don't have anything in ps -ef|grep audio and you don't have pactl you're not running pulse.
20:35<estudante>look post
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20:36<jovy>gob: type alsamixer for levels
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20:37<estudante>babilen: ?
20:37<gob>jovy: I did that. Then I did "alsactl store"
20:38<gob>Sound is back!
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20:38<babilen>estudante: yes, please show me the output of the su-to-root command I gave you and the output of the same with su instead of su-to-root. Paste that to and give me the URL
20:38<jovy>gob: what was it?
20:38<gob>I have sound now.
20:39<jovy>gob: What did you do to get sound?
20:39<gob>The levels needed adjusting.
20:39<gob>I raised one of the levels up to the green part.
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20:40<gob>It was at the lowest level.
20:40<gob>Thanks for the help.
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20:41<estudante>babilen: One moment...
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20:47<estudante>how capture screenshots in the XFCE
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20:48<gob>I have a hardware device that does not seem to work. I think I need to compile the driver into the kernel. I know how to compile the kernel but how do I find the driver I need?
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20:48<nevyn>what device?
20:48<gob>It is a serial port adapter.
20:48<estudante>not works
20:48<babilen>estudante: Why can't you just *paste* the information to the website I gave you (i.e. )
20:48<nevyn>usb serial port adapter?
20:49<gob>for my laptop. pcmcia to serial.
20:49<estudante>babilen: sorry!?
20:49<babilen>estudante: Do you understand "paste" as in "copy & paste" ?
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20:51<gob>Maybe I just need to patch the kernel. What do you think?
20:52<nevyn>gob: is there a driver?
20:52<estudante>babilen: look here also
20:52<gob>yes it came with a cd.
20:53<Aleric>What is a good way to format a SSD (parameters of mke2fs)?
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20:54<babilen>estudante: That is *not* the same output and not the same commands. Please run 1. su -c 'echo "foo"' 2. su-to-root -c 'echo "foo"' -- and paste the complete output to
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20:55<gob>The driver is MCS9922.
20:57<kop>Aleric: The fs matters a lot less than ensuring that the partitions are aligned on 4KB boundries.
20:57<ring0>would recommend reading the book 'the debian system - conecepts and techniques' by martin krafft?
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20:58<kop>ring0: I've not read it but heard it highly recommended here.
20:59<ring0>kop, so, should be worth a shot
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21:00<kop>Aleric: You probably want -j.
21:01<Aleric>kop: I was thinking, wouldn't it be better to use a block size of 1024 bytes instead of the default 4096?
21:02<ring0>i somehow enjoy reading actual books more than ebooks or wikipages
21:02<babilen>estudante: Is there something I could do? I really need to see that output in order to be able to help you.
21:03<dselect>Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See and for more information.
21:03<kop>Aleric: ^^
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21:04<kop>Aleric: SSDs have underlying 4k sectors so you want a 4k sector multiple in your fs or you can really slow things down.
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21:06<kop>ring0: You may also want "The Linux System Admistration Handbook" ISBN-13: 978-0136805960, or a later edition.
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21:11<Aleric>kop: this SSD has sectors of 512 bytes
21:11<Aleric>Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
21:11<Aleric>I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
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21:13<kop>Aleric: It's probably lying. Read the 4kb links.
21:14<Aleric>It's even advertising 512 as optimal :/
21:14<Aleric>hikaru:~>cat /sys/block/sdc/queue/hw_sector_size
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21:30<tgregory>alguem fala brasileiro ???
21:30<dselect>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:38<cybersphinx_>Aleric / kop: SSDs usually have a larger erase block size (that's the important part for speed/longevity) than 4 KB, like 32 KB. I suggest you use gparted to partition it, with the partitions aligned to 1 MB.
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21:39<Aleric>I'm aligning it to 512 kB now, as per
21:39<gob>What is the addr of the paste bin site?
21:39<Aleric>You think I should use 1 MB?
21:40<dselect>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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21:40<cybersphinx_>Aleric: Yeah, since it's easy to do with gparted (unlike mucking around with fdisk), and better too large than too small.
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21:41<estudante>hi babilen
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21:42<gob>I am compiling using "make" and getting an error.
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21:44<cybersphinx_>Aleric: If you already have partitions aligned to 512 KB that's ok I guess (sorry, misread and thought you didn't have any yet).
21:45<Aleric>I'd rather just find out what the erase block size is for this disk.. it's the corsair P3-128
21:45<Aleric>On someone says 512 kbytes.
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21:47<Collateral>wlan doesnt work. iwl3945 debian 64 bit
21:48<Collateral>fresh install
21:48<magyar>hi, I followed this link ( to capture packets on a obsd gateway, now when I try to open it under debian with wireshark i get "pcap: network type 51 unknown or unsupported"
21:49<babilen>estudante: yo
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21:52<collATERAl>how can i get wlan running?
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21:52<collATERAl>iwl3945, linux-firmware installed. wicd etc.
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21:53<collATERAl>but still no network available
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21:56<estudante>babilen: the address --->
21:56<estudante>my computer was as problem
21:59<ZykoticK9>collATERAl, see assuming you are using squeeze
21:59<babilen>estudante: So, everyhting works now?
21:59<collATERAl>ZykoticK9, yes, 64 bit
21:59<babilen>estudante: great, what was the problem?
22:00<ZykoticK9>collATERAl, you need non-free
22:00<estudante>ifconfig: command not found
22:00<ZykoticK9>estudante, /sbin/ifconfig
22:00<collATERAl>ZykoticK9, already done that.
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22:01<estudante>ZykoticK9: thanks
22:01<ZykoticK9>collATERAl, does lsmod show iwl3945?
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22:01<estudante>other problem
22:02<ZykoticK9>collATERAl, i got nothing then. Best of luck.
22:02<estudante>/sbin/ifconfig ---> bash: ifconfig: command not found
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22:02<collATERAl>iwl3945 53466 0
22:02<collATERAl>iwlcore 77842 2 iwlagn,iwl3945
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22:09<estudante>why i need execute ./ifconfig?
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22:15<kop>ring0: Rats. I recommended the wrong linux admin book. You want the one that's a derivitive of the Unix admin book going back to the 1970s. :-(
22:15<estudante>how configure PATH of the bash?
22:16<kop>estudante: Usually only root has /sbin and /usr/sbin in $PATH.
22:17<kop>estudante: You can mess with ~/.bashrc (or /etc/profile IIRC) if you like. man bash
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22:20<estudante>how configure this path?
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22:24<dselect>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.
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22:25<syntaur>estudante: You could try the "ip" command instead of ifconfig. "ip address" is the equivilent of "ifconfig"
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22:27<estudante>syntaur: how use "ip" command?
22:29<ring0>kop, found it. although it doesn't appear to have debian referrence?
22:29<babilen>estudante: You need to run ifconfig as root.
22:29<syntaur>estudante: If you're wanting to list the interfaces, just type "ip address" without the quotes. Here's a site with a comparison of ip versus ifconfig:
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22:32<estudante>babilen: but I want allow others users to run ifconfig
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22:35<estudante>syntaur: thanks, the ip command is great
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22:36<gob>estudante: You can do this too "ip addr list eth0".
22:37<gob>estudante: You can do this too "ip route".
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22:38<estudante>how use "ip tunnel"
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22:54<babilen>estudante: configure sudo accordingly -- what should these users be able to do? how many users?
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23:01<estudante>one user
23:02<estudante>sudo not exist in /usr/sbin
23:02<estudante>bebilen: why?
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23:06<babilen>estudante: It is probably still not installed. I mentioned that in the very beginning and linked you to relevant documentation. Please see above.
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23:07<jaonsmr>hello again channel
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23:15<estudante>hi jaonsmr
23:15<estudante>babilen: i got it
23:16<estudante>babilen: i copied the command "ifconfig" for /bin
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23:18<babilen>estudante: no! don't do that. install and configure sudo if you have to have it.
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23:19<jaonsmr>estudante, wow thanks
23:19<estudante>babilen: but I could not to install sudo
23:19<babilen>estudante: Why not?
23:20<estudante>I not found the command for to install
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23:20<babilen>estudante: "aptitude install sudo" -- Read the documentation I linked earlier!
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23:21<estudante>babilen: ok thanks !!!
23:21<estudante>babilen: excuse me
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23:21<babilen>But meh, here it is again: -- Install sudo, run "adduser YOURUSER sudo" relogin, done. I've told you that in the very beginning though.
23:22<syntaur>Hm, copying a program from /sbin to /bin. Interesting... approach..
23:22<babilen>estudante: And do *not* ever never ever ever move files from /sbin to /usr/bin (or permutations of those paths) -- Do *not* mess with files that belong to the system.
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23:22<stew>babilen: it says "adduser: The user `YOURUSER' does not exist" (/me ducks)
23:23<babilen>stew: hahahaha :)
23:23<syntaur>stew: Hey, I tutor people on linux, and do you know many times people say "But it says /path/to/file cannot be found"
23:23<estudante>babilen: thanks
23:24<babilen>estudante: Does it work now?
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23:24<estudante>babilen: accordingly move of /bin to /sbin ?
23:25<estudante>babilen: back the command?
23:25<estudante>babilen: yes, it do
23:25<estudante>it does
23:26<babilen>yes, please. You could also just reinstall the package, but I fear that you will break something.
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23:26<babilen>estudante: And yes, undo that.
23:27<estudante>babilen: oh yeah
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23:28<jaonsmr>estudante, are you anygood with embeded systems and uboot ?
23:28<estudante>babilen: but "arp" still not works
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23:29<estudante>jaonsmr: what is "anygood"? please
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23:29<babilen>estudante: Show me the output of "groups", "sudo cat /etc/sudoers" and "sudo arp" please.
23:29<babilen>estudante: → paste it to
23:30<babilen>jaonsmr: Just ask your question.
23:30<babilen>estudante: By the way, what is your native language?
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23:30<jaonsmr>well I want to do a debian mips uboot sith the malta image from the snapshost
23:31<jaonsmr>I am working with a router that I know is capable of this senerio
23:31<jaonsmr>have the openwrt in now do a cat /proc/cmdline
23:32<dselect>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
23:32<jaonsmr>there are some other** suggested commandline options that I done understand/
23:32<babilen>estudante: There are two portuguese channels ^^^^^^
23:34<estudante>babilen: :-), but I am learning english
23:34<kingsley>Is there a dpkg, apt or aptitude-like tool that accepts the name of a package and its version as input, and reports their corresponding release, like "lenny" or "5.0", or ideally the date that that version was released?
23:35<jaonsmr>herese a aste bin of what im exclaming >>
23:37<estudante>babilen: how add user to sudoers?
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23:39<ZykoticK9>estudante, i'm quoting babilen here (they've already told you, possibly more then once) "adduser YOURUSER sudo" replace YOURUSER with the username you want to add
23:40<ZykoticK9>estudante, you need to logout/login for it to take effect
23:41<babilen>estudante: Please read this:
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23:43<estudante>babilen: excuse me, you are already tired of my questions...
23:44<babilen>estudante: I am tired, but not necessarily of your questions. ;)
23:45<estudante>babilen: you are tired of my english? ... rsrs :-)
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23:48<babilen>estudante: But seriously, read the Debian reference. It is a very good book.
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23:49<estudante>estudante: yes, i do. thanks
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