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00:16<thasan>I have problem with RubyGems. How can I install html5 gem?
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00:17<thasan>what will be "right" way to do that without break my Debian?
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01:36<tp43>How do you play mplayer via telnet. I wanna play movies on my desktop from my laptop. I can telnet in, but when I play mplayer, it ruins the connection
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01:38<wols_>tp43: do you really use telnet?
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01:39<tp43>just for this one thing
01:39<wols_>don't. use ssh like for anything else
01:39<stoniestfool_>you could copy the movie files to your pc?
01:39<zykotick9>wols_, tp43, just got the same message from freenode as well ;)
01:40<wols_>and then read what dselect messaged you
01:40<tp43>yeah it me her and there, no tried there, so I asked here. I got the answer before, but I find the text file I saved it in
01:41<stoniestfool_>hi wols i got the openssl sucessfully installed on my ps3 yesterday
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01:41<tp43>cool, looks like ssh is more powerful, I will try it one day
01:41<wols_>tp43: you will get the exact same answers in both channels
01:42<wols_>tp43: and dselect messaged you how to accomplish what you want with ssh. read it, follow it
01:42<tp43>Someone gave me the solution in one of these channels, but I lost the note, I scrolled through my command history, but I guess it doesn't go that far
01:43<stoniestfool_>i was looking into febootstraping fedora from my debian squeeze might you know any tutorials for this?
01:43<wols_>ask #fedora.
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01:44<Bushmills>tp43: helps you to find such things again
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03:09<shanet>Hey guys, I am trying to convert my .gp4 file to .mp3, .wav or any other readable format. Does anyone know how to do this? I have tried using JACK to divert the sound and use Audacity to record but that doesnt work for some reason
03:10<th>how do you play .gp4?
03:10<shanet>th: With GuitarPro or under linux with tuxguitar or kguitar, but kguitar only works under KDE
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03:13<shanet>Does anyone know how to get JACK working with tuxguitar?
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03:15<eloystebam>speak spanish??
03:15<th>i have never used tuxguitar but since it seems to be able to use alsa for output, you may be able to redirect the output to a file:
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03:15<shanet>th: That sounds about right
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03:17<shanet>Looks like it wont support tuxguitar
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03:18<shanet>Is dpkg not working?
03:19<dselect>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
03:20<shanet>So anyway it looks like I am stuck with using JACK to divert the output. Does anyone know how to get JACK to divert sound so I can record my tuxguitar tune with Audacity?
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03:31<dselect>[jack] a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything, or a CD ripping front-end (packaged as jack,, or the JACK Audio Connection Kit: a low-latency sound server, allowing multiple applications to connect to one audio device; packaged for Debian as jackd. #jack on
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03:35<jasonsmr>hello channel ,
03:35<shanet>thanks wols_
03:35<jasonsmr>Im installing a mips kernel , and I want to find out the ramdisk size for the commandline
03:36<jasonsmr>how can I find out how large a kernel ramdisk size is?
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03:36<valdyn>jasonsmr: why would there be a ramdisk for the commandline?
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03:41<wols_>valdyn: is the initrd file now mounted directly?
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03:44<EmleyMoor>arpwatch is reporting a flip-flop between the two network cards in this machine... but one of them is set for a static address in a totally different network, so I don't see how it's possible
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04:52<emmetea>anyone know why when my squeeze sleeps it can't be awoken and eventually kicks network connections?
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04:54<dselect>[apm] Advanced Power Management, a long-obsolete standard that allowed the BIOS to handle power management on PC-compatibles, but <ACPI> is better (somewhat). See also <suspend>.
04:54<dselect>Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Etch; kernel patches such as <tuxonice> provide more features. Installing the pm-utils or hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or <kpowersave> should be enough. See also <suspend troubleshooting>, <uswsusp>, <swapwake>, <noresume>.
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04:56<dselect>kpowersave is a utility for managing battery life on notebooks: coordinating processor speed reduction, suspend-to-RAM, suspend-to-disk, backlight brightness etc to help your battery last longer or make your system quieter. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #539999, replaced by PowerDevil in <KDE4> (System Settings -> Advanced -> Power Management). Ask me about <power saving> for other options.
04:56<wols_>!tell emmetea about msgthebot
04:56<valdyn>emmetea: why would a suspended system not "kick" network connections?
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04:58<emmetea>valdyn: normally when the videocard and keyboard sleeps i can still access the computer for a few hours or so
04:59<emmetea>wols: i'd like to but im not sure with irssi how to read /msg's
04:59<valdyn>emmetea: ok, thats neither suspend to disk nor suspend to ram then
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04:59<wols_>emmetea: alt+<number> where <number> is highlighted in your statusbar. if that doesn't work: /window <number>
05:00<valdyn>emmetea: you can probably assume that its suspending after a "few hours"
05:00<emmetea>thank you wols :)
05:00<th>hi, i'm using debian squeeze. how to translate the capabilities from the result of iw list to ht_capab option in hostapd.conf ?
05:01<emmetea>valdyn: yeah just trying to find where that'd be -- having to move large fiels and trying to do it while i sleeps
05:01<valdyn>emmetea: should resume ( or try to resume ) when you hit they keyboard ( if its suspend to ram ) or power button ( if its suspend to disk )
05:01<valdyn>emmetea: is that really a debian system?
05:02<valdyn>i mean debian doesnt suspend to anything by default
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05:02<wols_>valdyn: ACPI?
05:02<emmetea>valdyn: yeah its whatever squeeze comes with the rescue disc
05:02<ompaul>live CD
05:02<wols_>and IIRC I have to use the powerbutton for both resume from sleep and hibernation
05:02<valdyn>wols_: yea well, i dont know about acpi induced suspend
05:02<emmetea>ompaul: yeah, installed via text install option
05:03<valdyn>wols_: its the Fn key on my thinkpad
05:04<wols_>valdyn: putting it to sleep or waking it from it?
05:04<valdyn>wols_: waking it from s2ram
05:05<valdyn>i wonder if theres ever a bios induced suspend anyway
05:05<valdyn>emmetea: have you checked bios settings?
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05:07<emmetea>valdyn: nope haven't yet, i normally avoid rebooting if i can prevent it. ACPI is what replaced that other A one?
05:07<valdyn>emmetea: acpi replaces apm, but thats of no concern yet really
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05:07<emmetea>valdyn: im thinking of a four letter acrnoym tho...
05:08<emmetea>is there another one with for letters ?
05:08<valdyn>emmetea: sometimes this is confused with apic i suppose, but that is something else
05:09<emmetea>valdyn: ah yes that was what i was thinking of because i had to disable it on this box to get it to boot with the livecd to test the other box
05:09<valdyn>emmetea: what is you desktop environment?
05:09<valdyn>emmetea: apic is the advanced programmable interrupt controller, different topic
05:10<s_i_m>a shell guru question: is there an utility that does a similar thing as built-in coproc in bash or zsh? I need a two-way connection trough pipes between two processes.
05:10<wols_>s_i_m: you want threading in shell scripts?
05:11<emmetea>valdyn: not running one yet
05:11<valdyn>s_i_m: you can use fifos, but im not clear as to what you want
05:11*slush was thinking the same as valdyn
05:12<emmetea>valdyn: working on get everything set and compiled before bloating up the box more, its an older box
05:12<s_i_m>valdyn, wols_ I want something like proc1 < out | proc2 > out, but without using a named fifo or file.
05:12<valdyn>emmetea: i cant figure why it would suspend by itself then
05:12<valdyn>s_i_m: not possible afaik
05:13<s_i_m>valdyn, possible with coproc in bash, but that is not posix I guess
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05:15<valdyn>s_i_m: why are you actually trying to do with this mechanism?
05:15<valdyn>s_i_m: *what* are you actually trying to do with this mechanism?
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05:16<emmetea>if i was going to kde with windowmaker, how would i go about accessing the KDE configuration menus from WM?
05:16<s_i_m>valdyn, that will be a shell function that does something similar to what expect or chat does: parsing a command output and reacting to it
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05:19<s_i_m>valdyn, by the 'command' I mean actually pinentry
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05:24<s_i_m>valdyn, how secure is a named fifo? Is it protected similarly to a file? Anyone who has a read access can see what flows there?
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05:25<wols_>s_i_m: everything is a file
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05:26<s_i_m>wols_, no, a stardard unnamed pipe is not represented anywhere on the filesystem so it is more secure
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05:30<lindi->s_i_m: it's in /proc/${PID}/fd/ as file
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05:31<s_i_m>lindi- an unnamed pipe? let me see it myself...
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05:31<lindi->s_i_m: well it has a file descriptor
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05:37<s_i_m>lindi-, well, well. Yep, both ends of an unnamed pipe are accessible through proc.
05:38<s_i_m>in principle, it can be still hidden in a custom-compiled kernel, iirc
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06:11<duri>hi guys. a friend of mine has an old pc which cannot run i586+ kernels. could you tell me whether debian installer for x86 contains i486 kernel and what is the boot parameter to use it during and after installation?
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06:13<hoody>hi there, i'm on a lenovo w520 using wheezy. i just migratet from arch to debian. im experiencing a problem when i attach an external display. xserver starts lagging every 10 seconds. i know this bug from arch but i cant remember the kernel parameter that fixed it. it's a problem caused by polling for devices. does anybody know this parameter?
06:13<raboof>i'm trying to set up transcoding avi's for my tv, and the default VLC transcoding configuration in MediaTomb is 'vlc -I dummy test.avi --sout "#transcode{venc=ffmpeg,vcodec=mp2v,vb=4096,fps=25,aenc=ffmpeg,acodec=mpga,ab=192,samplerate=44100,channels=2}:standard{access=file,mux=ps,dst=out.mpg}" vlc:quit'
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06:14<raboof>it appears the Debian ffmpeg package does not include mpga encoding support for audio though, what might be a good alternative?
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06:15<duri>(i think he rather wants linux but if kfreebsd is better solution for old pcs then please tell me)
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06:16<EmleyMoor>I've not yet got to grips with kfreebsd - or even had a successful install on a VM
06:16<EmleyMoor>(must try again soon)
06:17<lindi->duri: what pc is that?
06:18<duri>lindi-: AMD K6-2/275MHz, 256M RAM, 15G HDD
06:18<hoody>@duri check out distrowatch ->¬basedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=i486&status=Active
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06:19<hoody>you can search for distros beein build for i486 there
06:19<hoody>you can even filter for distributions based on debian if you want to
06:19<opalepatrick>sound is not working since I installed wine yesterday. (I believe that was the start). Alsmixer levels and card choice all seem OK and speaker-test doesnt show problems. So, is there a log somewhere that shows the changes made since say first thing yesterday?
06:20<opalepatrick>to the system
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06:20<opalepatrick>on debian 6 squeeze
06:20<wols_>duri: yes, debian uses a i486 kernel for the installer. the whole distro runs on i486
06:20<wols_>the i486 kernel is the default kernel too
06:20<duri>wols_: thank you very much
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06:26<cahoot>opalepatrick, only one sounddevice (in alsas view) according to cat /proc/asound/cards?
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06:30<opalepatrick>HI cahoot, yes, it is just showing the NVidia HDA-Intel HDA NVidia
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06:31<wols_>opalepatrick: that doesn't sound like only one card
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06:31<cahoot>opalepatrick, try this (unless already done) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test -t wav -c2
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06:34<hoody>for anyone experiencing the same xserver lag problem -> try this one: echo N >/sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll
06:35<EmleyMoor>Oh wow, my kFreeBSD install has at least got as far as installing the base system
06:36<lindi->duri: have you tested linux-image-2.6.32-5-486?
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06:38<opalepatrick>I take it cahoot that I should get some output from that command?
06:38<opalepatrick>NOt getting an error
06:38<duri>lindi-: the problem was that my friend couldn't even install any OS because he was always trying something with i586+ kernel. so we first had to find some distro using i486 kernel during installation
06:39<duri>and i didn't know whether debian uses i486 kernel by default or if i have to use some bootparam or if i have to modify the installer or so
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06:41<opalepatrick>by the way, this was the return on cat /proc/asound/cards -
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06:43<opalepatrick>wols_, does the above paste say one or two cards to you?
06:44<EmleyMoor>It says 2
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06:46<opalepatrick>Thanks EmleyMoor, so I wonder could this be the reason sound stopped.
06:46<opalepatrick>As per cahoots original question
06:46<EmleyMoor>You could be playing to the "wrong" card
06:48<opalepatrick>Well the alsamixer is referring to the HDA NVidia one
06:48<opalepatrick>which is seconf to the HDA Intel
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06:50<opalepatrick>I wonder if I disabled the motherboard sound in the bios and just used the nvidia one related to the graphics card?
06:50<opalepatrick>Wish I knew what I was doing :-)
06:51<EmleyMoor>opalepatrick: No reason why they shouldn't both work, if they do individually
06:52<opalepatrick>Did before this install of wine, but nothing now. Think I need a sandwich break think time
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06:59<EmleyMoor>Can Debian kFreeBSD be used with just a serial console?
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06:59<EmleyMoor>(if so, is setting it up for that easy?)
07:00<madadam1> Hi! I've noticed that in many application are displayed wrong characters, How could I install more fonts? I believe "symbol" is missing
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07:01<EmleyMoor>madadam1: There are lots of packages of fonts in Debian - what you want may well be in one of them. If not, I think it's fairly easy to add your own, but I've never actually done it
07:02<madadam1>EmleyMoor, which is the name of the package?
07:04<Powerfuldevice>Does anyone here have experience with Debian using ispconfig3?
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07:06<th>how to connect to an access point using iw? iw wlan0 connect linksys keys ????????????
07:06<th>i don't understand what to type after keys
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07:08<EmleyMoor>madadam1: Try, for instance, ttf-marvosym - though it may not be what you actually want, it will give you the idea
07:08<madadam1>thank you
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07:11<EmleyMoor>th: Do you know the security key(s) for the relevant access point?
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07:21<raboof>where could I find the correct fingerprint for the RSA key for
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07:25<EmleyMoor>Is there a Debian way to recompile the FreeBSD kernel with a new or changed option?
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07:33<EmleyMoor>(my FreeBSD experience so far has been with traditional FreeBSD)
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07:45<Osiris_X>if patch reports "patch detected" is that a certain indication of that particular patch being applied or just that the source has changed
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08:32<sml>hi all
08:32<Rehnquist>yay! i now understand the 9bit permission string!
08:33<sml>Rehnquist: cool, you'll also understand -perm options in find and umasks and a whole heap of other stuff too then :)
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08:34<Rehnquist>still need to read up on those
08:34<sml>what is the least painful way of running 2.6.39 in debian?
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08:35<Rehnquist>sml, i'm still confused by setuid/gid thing
08:35<sml>Rehnquist: once you understand how bits are used they're all over the place. you'll be working out CIDR subnet masks in your head before long :)
08:35<sml>Rehnquist: I think that's the effective uid or guid a program runs as
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08:36<sml>Rehnquist: so if you were to, and don't do it, setuid 0 /bin/ash, it would give you a root shell if you ran it as a non-priv user
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08:37<sml>Rehnquist: capish ?
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08:39<sml>hmm anyone know how to use the bot for advice?
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08:39<wols>sml: a backport
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08:39<wols>%tell sml about msgthebot
08:39<sml>wols: i thought only 2.6.38 was backported
08:40<wols>,versions linux-image-2.6-686
08:40<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.39+35.1; wheezy: 2.6.39+35.1; experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38
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08:40<sml>ah so I could just use testing then.
08:41<wols>no. you can use a backport. you don't want to use a kernel from testing
08:41<sml>wols: err OK. so i get the docs on how to do this from
08:41<wols>you definitely don't want to put a testing source for main in your sources.list. or you will reinstall soon
08:42<wols>%tell sml about backports
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08:42<sml>wols: so it's just the kernel package from sid but compiled on a stable box with stable dependencies?
08:43<sml>I mean where does the package come from in the first place to be backported?
08:43<wols>it comes from testing
08:44<sml>ok cool. that's fantastic. thanks a lot. will go read
08:44<wols>but a normal testing package has testing dependencies. a backported does not
08:44<sml>wols: sure I get that bit.
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08:44<sml>wols: would you think that's a better option that me just getting the sources and using kernel-package?
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08:45<wols>no. using the normal sources is fine. you can use the debian sources from testing too. whatever you want
08:46<wols>the backported kernel isn't extensively tested like a stable kernel is anyways
08:48<sml>wols: my Sunday is gonna be fun then :)
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08:51<Black_Prince>Kernel is linked staticaly, so I don't see a point why one could not use a kernel from testing on stable
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08:54<wols>Black_Prince: Depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 3~), initramfs-tools (>= 0.99) | linux-initramfs-tool that's why
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08:55<wols>at this point in time this might not be a problem but it is once in a while. udev is another
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08:56<Black_Prince>ah, another initramfs tools version
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08:57<Black_Prince>well, it wasn't problem before, but now testing has moved far from stable
08:57<Black_Prince>I see your point
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08:58<TCW>KDE and Gnome installed, using KDE right now. Download window of iceweasel, rightclick on a file already downloaded, open the location it is stored in a folderview... nautilus opens... where do I change that to dolphin?
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08:58<vmassuchetto>i accidentally removed the mysql root password... the database is blank, so its fine... how can i purge everything to regenerate the user?
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08:59<TCW>as it seems in icewesel settings there is no value for "folder" in the preferred applications settings...
08:59<Black_Prince>vmassuchetto, you want to regenerate mysql root password?
09:00<vmassuchetto>Black_Prince, Black_Prince no, the user itself
09:00<vmassuchetto>Black_Prince, i imagine doing something like installing mysql-server for the first time
09:00<Black_Prince>vmassuchetto, there should be debian-sys-maint user with all privileges
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09:01<nyov>removing the root user is a good thing imo ;)
09:03<vmassuchetto>purged everything with apt... wasnt doing it on the right packages
09:03<Black_Prince>vmassuchetto, it's password is in /etc/mysql/conf.d/debian.cnf
09:03<vmassuchetto>Black_Prince, thanks.... but too late =/
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09:05<Black_Prince>I don't know if this is a problem or bug in but there is libgweather-3 version 2.91.6 in experimental, but libgweather-3 version 3.0.2 in unstable
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09:06<TCW>Black_Prince, apt-cache policy libgweather-3-0 shows the same... so not a bug, probably some old remains in experimental...
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09:18<sml>wols: you still there?
09:18<wols>just ask the channel
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09:19<sml>wols: I followed the docs on backports. added squeeze-backports repo. if i do aptitude -t squeeze-backports search linux-image I only see kernels up to .38
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09:20<wols>then there is no .39 backport yet
09:20<wols>you might have to compile your own
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09:20<sml>damn :(
09:20<Black_Prince>judd kernels
09:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
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09:21<patrickh>debian squeeze does not recognize my sd cards what can i do to identify the problem?
09:21<sml>wheezy has .39 but backports only .38. guess they haven't ported it yet
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09:21<dselect>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
09:22<qc>bye next time to chat
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09:23<madadam1>how could I see which command match with a particular graphical event on myt desktop. for example how can I open gnome menù from command line
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09:23<sml>madadam1: top?
09:24<lindi->madadam1: what are you trying to do?
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09:24<madadam1>lindi-, I would create a keyboard shortcut to open globalmenù menù
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09:26<lindi->madadam1: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
09:26<lindi->madadam1: scroll down to "Show the panel's main menu". Alt+F1 by default
09:26<patrickh>how can i find the brand of my card reader?
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09:27<patrickh>it does not seem to show up in lspci
09:27<lindi->patrickh: possibly USB device
09:27<patrickh>kern.log says USB device
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09:27<patrickh>but then it does not show up in /dev
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09:27<lindi->patrickh: that's normalå
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09:27<lindi->patrickh: lsusb
09:28<patrickh>command not recognized
09:28<lindi->patrickh: apt-get install usbutils
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09:29<madadam1>lindi-, non the gnome menù
09:29<lindi->patrickh: also apt-get install command-not-found so that next time you know what package to install
09:29<lindi->madadam1: gnome menu?
09:29<madadam1>lindi-, the menù of global menù
09:29<lindi->madadam1: what's that?
09:29<madadam1>wait, I paste a screenshot
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09:30<patrickh>lindi-: when i insert the sd card it shows up as ENE Technology, Inc.
09:30<madadam1>mmm I can't
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09:30<patrickh>then now how can i mount it?
09:30<madadam1>a secondo
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09:30<wols>patrickh: /dev/mmb*
09:31<patrickh>i see no mmb*
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09:32<madadam1>lindi-, gnome2-globalmenu
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09:32<lindi->madadam1: I have no idea what that is
09:32<dominique>good morning
09:33<lindi->madadam1: screenshot might indeed help
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09:33<madadam1>lindi-, I can't
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09:34<patrickh>in the kern.log i find
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09:35<lindi->patrickh: and nothing more?
09:35<lindi->patrickh: what kernel is this?
09:35<patrickh>its debian squeeze
09:38<lindi->patrickh: and that's aspire one?
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09:38<patrickh>packard bell dot se 615nl
09:39<patrickh>it look pretty similar to an aspire one
09:39<lindi->patrickh: suggests it is just not supported yet
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09:40<lindi->madadam1: well how do you normally access it?
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09:41<patrickh>lindi-: thanks, so i guess i need an usb adapter then
09:41<madadam1>lindi-, by left clicking on it
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09:41<lindi->madadam1: I have just Applications, Places and System menus
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09:43<madadam1>lindi-, gnome2-globalmenu is an application that enable you to have the contextual menù on the toolbar and moreover it has a menù in which are listed all the opened windows. I would find a way to access it by keyboard. That's all
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09:44<lindi->madadam1: which package has that application
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09:45<lindi->madadam1: there's no such package in debian:§ion=all
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09:46<madadam1>lindi-, no there isn't, you should add the repo
09:46<lindi->madadam1: ah
09:46<lindi->madadam1: well I'm sorry but I have enough trouble with official software already :)
09:47<BAroneNero>ciao a tutti
09:47<madadam1>lindi-, ok
09:47<madadam1>BAroneNero, il canale italiano è #debian-it
09:47<BAroneNero>hi madadam1
09:48<raboof>'apt-file search avformat.h' returns 'libavformat-dev: /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h' and 'libavformat-dev: /usr/include/libavformat/avformat.h' for me
09:48<BAroneNero>i speack a little bit english
09:48<raboof>is there an easy way to tell where it's getting '/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h' from exactly? I don't see a /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h in any version of that package.
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09:48<BAroneNero>could you give me a information?
09:49<BAroneNero>are here macosx user?
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09:49<wols>BAroneNero: this is #debian
09:49<BAroneNero>i know
09:49<BAroneNero>i love debian
09:49<BAroneNero>and other
09:49<dselect>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
09:50<themill>raboof: it's in the squeeze version of that package at least:
09:50<wols>raboof: apt-cache policy
09:50<wols>themill: no it's not
09:50<wols>damn it is :(
09:50<raboof>themill: no, that's libavformat/avformat.h, not ffmpeg/avformat.h
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09:51<BAroneNero>wols ,sorry for that, but do you now a channel for hepl me?
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09:51<themill>raboof: ohh
09:51<dselect>Mac OS X is a BSD and NeXTSTEP based operating system from <Apple> Inc. A complete overhaul from previous versions of Mac OS (v1.0-9.2). ##apple on See also <hfsplus>.
09:51<wols>raboof: then maybe you got a package from some other place. e.g. dmm
09:51<BAroneNero>thanks dselect
09:51<dselect>de nada, BAroneNero
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09:52<themill>raboof: that package also exists on dmm so that's quite possibly the origin
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09:52<BAroneNero> ##apple on
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09:53<raboof>i actually have the dmm version installed, and don't have a /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h :)
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09:54<themill>raboof: have you run "apt-file update" recently?
09:54<wols>BAroneNero: "/join ##apple"
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09:55<raboof>ah, found it :)
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09:55<wols>BAroneNero: sorry. apple on freenode of course. you need to change irc networks
09:56<BAroneNero>thanks wols, but how i do it?(insert the new channel)
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09:56<themill>raboof: some grepping through Contents.gz is the next step :)
09:57<wols>you connected to to get here. for freenode you connect to
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09:57<BAroneNero>is it in the list of channel of xchat
09:57<jak0>i have a problrm with flash player... it says somthing is blocking it..
09:57<wols>no. it's a different server. and no, I won't do a irc tutorial here
09:57<wols>%tell jak0 about errors
09:58<jak0>i have brand new squezee
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09:58<BAroneNero>so i must find the solution thanks guys bye
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09:58<jak0>We had a problem loading Flash. You may have a Flash blocker installed. If so, please disable the blocker (or add an exception) and reload to start listening
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10:00<cahoot>flash installed even?
10:00<wols>and if it's installed, which one?
10:00<jak0>i think thats the problem
10:01<jak0>that i have the alternative
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10:01<jak0>for flash
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10:03<jak0>i stil have the same problem...
10:04<jak0>and i dont now
10:04<jak0>where to find the error
10:04<jak0>log error
10:04<weedeater64>jak0: Debian doesn't come with flash-player installed.
10:04<jak0>i have a brand new on it
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10:05<wols>jak0: dpkg -l |grep -i flash
10:05<Black_Prince>jak0, and if you installed it via netinst, selecting desktop task, you have an open source alternative (gnash)
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10:25<george_>anyone here play quake live?
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10:30<srtu>quake for linux?
10:31<ulfrey>ich hab den smuxi
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10:41<WayeR>alguien sabe cambiarse de canal en smuxi?
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11:37<rapperdon>I need help
11:37<rapperdon>i am using xubuntu 11.04
11:38<rapperdon>Update manager kept popping up
11:38<Black_Prince>dselect ubuntu
11:38<dselect>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:38<rapperdon>it need me to update free ffmpeg codecs for chromium browser
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11:39<babilen>%tell rapperdon -about ubuntuirc
11:39<rapperdon>but everytime i click install updates, it always say package broken
11:39<babilen>rapperdon: Good luck there :)
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11:39<rapperdon>how can i fix it?
11:39<babilen>rapperdon: This is the wrong channel, please ask in #ubuntu
11:40<babilen>good luck :)
11:40<fektom>hello all
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11:41<fektom>I'm beginner with linux, and have just installed this gnome environment successfully
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11:41<fektom>simple question: how can close gnome if I dont need it
11:42<fektom>I mean, I would like to get the normal terminal with black screen waiting for order
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11:43<sney>if you log out, gdm may have a 'terminal' option
11:43<sney>you can also use terminal emulators from within gnome
11:44<fektom>simple like that? Just click on the log out in the menu?
11:44<sney>I haven't used gnome in years so I can't make any promises
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11:45<fektom>i give it a try
11:45<sney>but your login manager, gdm, should have an option to log into a plain terminal session
11:45<fektom>wait wait
11:45<fektom>I think gdm is the gnome login screen
11:45<fektom>I don't use it
11:46<duri>it'll appear if you log out
11:46<fektom>give it a try and come back
11:46<sney>if you don't have a login manager, then simply logging out may return you to a terminal
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11:48<fektom>hi all again
11:48<fektom>yeah it works:)
11:49<fektom>I have some more question, maybe you can help me with this as well
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11:50<fektom>I'm really beginner, so unfortunatelly i don't know if I can take seriously everything what the computer says to me
11:50<sney>like what
11:50<fektom>for example, what I installed the xorg on the computer
11:50<fektom>sorry when I installed the xorg
11:51<fektom>it said to me, that: the folowwing packages were automatically installed and are no longer required
11:51<fektom>and than listed a lot of packages, most of them started with lib
11:52<sney>yeah, it will automatically remove stuff you don't need. sometimes things get removed that you still want, but you can always install them again
11:52<sney>and if you see something in that list that you want to keep, you can use unmarkauto
11:53<dselect>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
11:53<weedeater64>fektom: see; run levels
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11:55<manu>hello need some help with my laptopn mic
11:55<fektom>I think I got this message when I tried apt-get install xserver-xorg
11:55<manu>i need some help with my laptop mic
11:55<klur>can anything break if I sometimes cancel "configure" or "make" with ctrl+c ?
11:56<sney>klur: it might hose whatever you were compiling, but you can always just 'make clean' to start over
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11:56<manu>need some help with laptop inbuilt mic
11:57<manu>its not working
11:57<klur>sney, thanks
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11:57<sney>manu: does your sound work?
11:57<manu>sound is alright
11:57<manu>by inbuilt mic is not working
11:57<klur>manu, did you already check the settings in alsamixer ?
11:57<sney>yes, you said that
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11:57<manu>i am having sony vaio cw series notebook
11:58<manu>it is showing mic
11:58<sney>I remember there was something stupid about the vaio mic
11:58<manu>but its not working
11:58<klur>manu, you sure that there is nothing muted or Volume close to 0 ?
11:58<manu>yeah i checked it
11:59<manu>it is not muted
11:59<Ruusento>manu: have you modified your modprobe.conf to put the audio card in SONY Vaio's mode?
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11:59<Ruusento>you should do that
11:59<manu>how do i do that?
11:59<Ruusento>or the internal "ATAPI" microphone won't work
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12:00<Ruusento>manu: modify (as root) the file /etc/modprobe.conf
12:00<Ruusento>and add the following line:
12:00<Ruusento>options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
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12:00<manu>in my alsa mixer window its showing two options 1. HDA intel (alsa Mixer) 2. Realtek AL262
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12:01<Ruusento>manu: good, it's the AL262, set /etc/modprobe.conf as I've said and reboot the PC.
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12:02<Ruusento>then you can play with the sliders to check if the mic actually works
12:02<sney>fektom: please keep your questions in the channel.
12:03<sney>fektom: I have to leave in a few minutes. if you ask me questions in /msg then nobody will answer
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12:04<manu>Russento i tried to edit /etc/modprobe.conf but its showing-- bash: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory
12:04<wols> /etc/modprobe.d/
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12:05<Ruusento>manu: you could touch it or do as wols said you
12:06<Ruusento>you can make a file under /etc/modprobe.d/ called sony-vaio.conf
12:06<Ruusento>and put that line
12:06<Ruusento>just as a reminder
12:06<fektom>very stupid question: is there any chance to change the resolution in the normal, non-graphical environment?
12:07<fektom>my letters are very small, very hard to read it
12:07<wols>sure. fbset, kernel boot parameter or change the font
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12:08<wols>fektom: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
12:09<manu>Russento please check this
12:09<manu>cat /etc/modprobe.d/sony-vaio.conf
12:09<manu>options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
12:09<manu>is it correc?t
12:09<manu>is it correct?
12:10<Ruusento>actually manu you should use nano, vi or any other editor
12:10<Ruusento>but a plain:
12:10<manu>yeah i used vi and made that file
12:11<Ruusento>cat > /etc/modprobe.d/sony-vaio.conf <<EOF
12:11<manu>i just displayed it uing cat
12:11<Ruusento>options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
12:11<Ruusento>should work well
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12:11<duri>Ruusento: i don't think manu experiences problems with editing text files
12:12<manu>please checkt h screen shot of my alsa mixer
12:13<Ruusento>manu: yes, it should be correct
12:13<Ruusento>in any case you shouldn't send screenshot via DCC
12:13<manu>how do i sent then?
12:13<Ruusento>but using some image hosting such as imageshack or tinypic
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12:15<Ruusento>in any case the file is good
12:15<Ruusento>you can reboot the PC and try the mic after that
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12:15<manu>Russento i am going to restart my pc and check. Thank you very much for your help
12:15<manu>will join after reebooting
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12:17<service>hello everyone
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12:27<klur>where to post questions about WINE? #wine on freenode is invite-only...
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12:30<fektom>I have problem when I read the helps of certain orders
12:30<fektom>I'm in the console and for example type in: tar --help
12:30<fektom>the help is so long that one full screen is not enough to list everything
12:30<klur>fektom, you mean you got a problem with commands?
12:31<klur>type tar --help | less
12:31<fektom>how can I go back to the beginning of the help?
12:31<wols>fektom: when you do what klur told you, you can scroll up with cursor keys
12:32<fektom>oke, thanks
12:33<weedeater64>fektom: also, you can use PageUp, Pagedown, Home, and End keys.
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12:34<fektom>this less option supports many key on the keyboard
12:34<fektom>I tried the effect on the gnome terminal
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12:35<fektom>how can I exit, because the prompt is not my user name
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12:36<klur>fektom, 'q'
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12:36<fektom>that was simple, thank you klur
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12:37<klur>fektom, I recommend you to read some tutorial about UNIX basics
12:37<fektom>yeah, definitelly need them
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12:39<klur>fektom, unfortunately, I don't know a good one :)
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12:42<sml>is it best to run amd64 debian if you're on an i3? I appear to be running 383 binaries
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12:43<wols>not necessarily best. depends on how much RAM you have mostly
12:45<sml>I have 3GB. I read that if you have over 2GB it's worth using amd64
12:45<wols>only if you have more than a 512MB discrete videocard
12:45<sml>but you can't believe everything you read on forums ;-)
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12:46<sml>wols: is there a command I can run that tells me how much videocard RAM i have?
12:46<wols>what videocard do you have?
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12:47<sml>"intel HD graphics with shared memory" is all it says in the specs
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12:47<wols>then you have no discrete videocard
12:47<sml>wols: and so.. running x86 is fine then?
12:48<sml>cool. won't bother reinstalling then
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12:51<ml|>klur: type .. /msg dselect reference and /msg dselect grounding then look for a new tab or window named dselect
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12:56<klur>ml|: we were talking about unix basics; not Debian specific stuff. For that one I recommended him . What do you think about it?
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13:00<sml>is the LDP kept up to date?
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13:00<ml|>klur: yes tldp is s good resource
13:02<ras>can someone help me with my sound card, i can't manage to have any hearable sound, tried some stuff in the doc, but it won't work :(
13:02<ml|>and sorry that was meant for fektom
13:02<ras>00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
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13:02<wols_>sml: so what laptop did you buy? main specs? I'm guessing an intel I3?
13:03<wols_>sandy bridge or arrandale?
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13:03<sml>wols_: it's an HP G62 452 SA i3 2.4 GHZ
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13:04<wols_>so what is not working for you?
13:04<sml>I'm just compiling my own custom kernel with support for the wireless chipset that is only in 2.6.39 and so hopefully after that there will be no more drama
13:05<ml|>judd: kernels
13:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
13:05<wols_>arrandale should be reasonably supported. sandybridge is problematic since it came out after squeeze was frozen
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13:05<sml>main problem really is getting wifi working. i'm not sure sounds works though. something to do with alsa?
13:05<sml>wols_: I'm not sure, sorry, what either arrandale OR sandybridge is? intel specs?
13:06<wols_>sml: what wlan chipset is it? and: there is always too which would let you run the debian stable kernel (just with some needed wlan upgrades)
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13:06<wols_>thoes are intel cpus. arrandale is from january 2010, sandy bridge is from january 2011 (roughly)
13:06<sml>wols_: ralink 5390
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13:07<wols_>ouch! that is another reason why I rather buy a used thinkpad than some new consumer crap from any vendor...
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13:07<sml>would preferably like to stick with squeeze but im wondering how compatible my hardware is with the current stable distro and kernel :(
13:07<sml>shoulda bought an older s/h laptop
13:08<wols_>kernel should be all you need. then the drivers are there and userland doesn't care about drivers a whole lot
13:08<jhutchins_lt>dselect: tell ras about alsa checklist
13:09<sml>wols_: that's what im hoping. how long do these kernels take to compile!? also i could only see the kernel sources for this version in sid. so i just got the tar ball from
13:09<ras>already done jhutchins_lt
13:09<sml>i was wondering if i would just be better off using ubuntu or mint? though i'd prefer not to.
13:09<wols_>the tarball from kernel org you usually need to configure yourself first before it's usable. the debian kernel is easier to use
13:10<ml|>sml: you can try and install the sid kernel first without having to compile your own
13:10<sml>wols_: i just copied the config for the currently booted kernel to the top level of the kernel source dir so that i could take teh defaults
13:10<wols_>and it mainly depends on the harddisk speed. say 2 hours for a distro kernel on laptop hdd. 1 hour or less for a customized kernel for your exact hardware
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13:10<wols_>sml: and did you enable the ra5390 driver as well via menuconfig?
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13:10<sml>the only change i made to the config was to enable the ralink driver
13:11<sml>wols_: yes
13:11<wols_>should work then I guess :)
13:11<wols_>and if all fails you still have the debian stable kernel installed
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13:12<sml>wols_: that's what I'm hoping! I'm using make-kpkg so that all the meta-data and symlinks gets done properly. but if it doesn't work then I guess I'll have to get teh drivers from the manufacturer..
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13:13<sml>wols_: You know I nearly got a Thinkpad too! heh
13:13<wols_>sml: don't. ralink is notoriously awful :)
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13:15<sml>wols_: the laptop was a bargain though at £300 :)
13:16<wols_>ok, that's fairly cheap, agreed
13:16<wols_>tho says nothing about screen, build quality etc :)
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13:18<tal>I get errors when trying to compile something with GL. For example, "gcc -lGL" shows me error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
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13:19<sml>looks like the linker can't find the GL libs?
13:19<tal>But why?
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13:19<tal>It's in the "cashe
13:19<sml>tal: there will probably be a package called gllib-dev or somesuch
13:20<sml>tal: but if you compile a package properly there is a buildep thing you can do
13:20<tal>sml: It does make sence, but I can't found this lib.
13:21<sml>tal: by that i mean, get the debian source package. because it included dependency info. then you wont run into trouble :)
13:21<tal>"libgl1-mesa-dev" is this the one?
13:21<wols_>yes. tho the library is ""
13:21<wols_>and that's in libg1-mesa
13:22<tal>wols_: The weird thing is that there's already headers for GLX
13:22<wols_>from where?
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13:23<tal>wols_: Don't know. I have this package "mesa-common-dev" but it conflict the package above
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13:23<ras>any expert in audio card here ? :\
13:23<wols_>ras: ask your real question
13:23<wols_>,versions mesa-common-dev
13:23<judd>Package mesa-common-dev on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; sid: 7.10.3-3; wheezy: 7.10.3-3; experimental: 7.11~0-2
13:23<ras>can someone help me with my sound card, i can't manage to have any hearable sound, tried some stuff in the doc, but it won't work :(
13:23<ras>00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
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13:24<wols_>%tell ras about alsa checklist
13:24<ras>i already had dselect help, but it didn't (help)
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13:24<sml>ras: i feel your pain :)
13:24<tal>v 0.2~7.11
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13:25<wols_>tas: Replaces: libgl1-mesa-dev (<< 7.5~rc4-2), libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev (<< 6.5.2), xlibmesa-gl-dev (<< 1:7), xlibosmesa-dev
13:25<sml>wols_: .... it's compiled!! brave new world. time for me to reboot
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13:26<cahoot>ras try this: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test -t wav -c2 - any errormsg?
13:26<jhutchins_lt>ras: lspci -nn
13:26<jhutchins_lt>ras: What's the pciid of the chipset?
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13:27<ras>cahoot, workjs
13:27<jhutchins_lt>ac97 should be pretty universal.
13:27<ras>no error, and i hear the woman spaeking !
13:27<sml>erm, installing newly made kernel gives 'possible missing firmware' warnings..
13:27<cahoot>ras problem solved then
13:27<wols_>sml: you can install all of the wheezy firmware if you want
13:27<tal>It tells me when trying to install from unstable: libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 7.10.3-3) but 7.11~0-2 is to be installed
13:28<sml>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169
13:28<wols_>tal: why do you want to install from unstable?
13:28<wols_>sml: ignore it for now. not strictly necessary for booting and easily fixable later :)
13:28<tal>wols_: Because of some troubles in fglrx-glx(ATI non-free driver) in testing
13:28<sml>wols_: what's it trying to tell me and what is the answer? err OK then. right well i'm going to give this a whirl. if you don't see me for ages it didn't work! ;-)
13:29<ras>cahoot, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
13:29<ras> juste make crackling
13:29<wols_>sml: basically if you are unlucky your ethernet doesn't work. no big deal
13:29<cahoot>ras it should
13:29<sml>wols_: true. but at teh moment neither does my wifi which basically means no internet :)
13:30<tal>wols_: Please see my post:
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13:30<sml>.. things could go from bad to worse. mind you can always reboot into previous kernel if there's an issue
13:30<wols_>sml: you are still here. you have internet. QED
13:30<ras>cahoot, so, what should i do ?
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13:30<cahoot>ras if speaker-test -t wav -c2 gives you a nice lady tlking soothingly alsa is just fine
13:31<ras>yep, but then ?
13:31<cahoot>then what?
13:31<ras>cahoot, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav juste make crackling
13:31<cahoot>so don't play that
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13:32<jhutchins_lt>ras the filename should give you a hint as to why.
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13:33<ras>thought it was an other kind of "noise"
13:33<ras>guess everything is ok, then ><'
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13:34<ras>so the comand line you gave me apparently resolved the problem cahoot, speaker-test alone didn't work before that
13:34<sml>I think I'd have to call that a partial success. Am using the new kernel but obviously set the wrong option as I still see no wlan0.. but at least my NIC works :)
13:34<cahoot>alsa-utils sets sane mixerlevels
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13:35<tal>Thanks guy. Downgrade mesa-common-dev to testing helped
13:35<ras>thank a lot !
13:35<ras>i'll just reboot, just in case
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13:36<sml>wols_: isn't there some way of asking the bot what option it is in the .config?
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13:37<wols_>what option do you mean?
13:37<sml>err, the kernel config option for ra5390
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13:38<wols_>no. use "grep 5390 /path/to/linux/.config"
13:38<klur>how can I regex search with iceweasel?
13:38<wols_>you can't afaik
13:39<sml>I'm assuming that's it. And it looks like it's set alright?
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13:39<wols_>yes. set as a module.
13:40<weedeater64>klur: lynx -dump or w3m -dump may serve you better.
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13:40<sml>wols_: so... any ideas on why I can't see my wifi card using iwconfig ? I don't have to do insmod or something?
13:40<klur>weedeater64, so I got to take a text browser to regex search stuff? ... what's that...
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13:42<weedeater64>Well Iceweasel does have a find, just /keyword or, Ctrl+f keyword, but I don't know about using regex..
13:42<wols_>sml: dmesg |grep 5390 and lsmod |grep 5390
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13:43<sml>wols_: dmesg shows output; lsmod doesn't.
13:43<wols_>klur: you can try something like
13:43<wols_>sml: and the output is?
13:43<sml>[ 1.097470] pci 0000:02:00.0: [1814:5390] type 0 class 0x000280
13:43<Rehnquist>quick question of popular preference: what email client do you peeps use?
13:44<wols_>sml: do a modprobe ra5390 (if that's the module name) then
13:44<sml>Rehnquist: mutt is very good. and gnus.
13:44<klur>wols_, thanks
13:44<wols_>%tell Rehnquist about polls
13:44<wols_>klur: if that doesn't work, search for regex
13:44<Rehnquist>how about icedove?
13:45<wols_>Rehnquist: please don't take polls. and see /msg dselect best
13:45<sml>wols_: that's not the module name. any idea on how to find out what it is? or do I have to look for the .o file under the source where I compiled it?
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13:45<cahoot>lspci -k
13:45<sml>Rehnquist: why not try it and see? they're all free :)
13:46<Rehnquist>sorry, no more polls, i wasn't aware it's not allowed :)
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13:46<Rehnquist>good point there
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13:46<wols_>sml: let me check
13:46<wols_>Rehnquist: you want a g gui or console?
13:47<TCW>fscking iceweasel!
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13:48<TCW>How do I convince icewesel to use dolphin and not nautilus to open a folder? Rightclick in the downloads window "open containing folder" and nautilus opens...
13:48<TCW>I am stracing icewesel and it seems to me to care a lot about gnome stuff... shouldn't it be DE agnostic?
13:49<wols_>sml: what's the PCI ID of your chip again?
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13:49<sml>wols_: gosh. what's that and how to I find it? you mean 5390 ?
13:49<wols_>lspci -nn
13:49<wols_>a number like xxxx:xxxx there
13:50<Rehnquist>wols_, gui :)
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13:51<wols_>Rehnquist: popular choices are icedove, evolution, kmaik, claws, sylpheed. That should probably account for 90%
13:51<TCW>Rehnquist, icedove
13:51<lindi->TCW: what DE are you using?
13:51<TCW>not perfect, but "ok" enough for GUI users I guess
13:51<Rehnquist>okay, i'll try all those out and see which one suits best
13:51<TCW>lindi-, right now KDE, but Gnome and Xfce are installed too...
13:52<sml>I've not heard of any of those MUAs heh. I only know elm, pine, mutt..
13:52<lindi->TCW: is XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable set?
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13:52<TCW>lindi-, it is set to /usr/share:/usr/share:/usr/local/share
13:53<lindi->TCW: ok
13:53<lindi->TCW: in squeeze with gnome it's XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/gnome:/usr/share/gdm/:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
13:53<wols_>sml: the module should be named rt5390 but where did you get the info that it was in kernel 2.6.39?
13:53<TCW>lindi-, ah, I see
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13:54<TCW>lindi-, anyway... I played around with all sorts of proposed settings for mime-files in ~/ this afternoon to no avail... this just drives me nuts!
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13:55<lindi->TCW: and then $ grep inode/ /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list
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13:55<sml>wols_: sorry. if you replied about teh PCI ID I lost my connection. laptop battery died. and no warning the whole thing just shutdown.
13:55<lindi->TCW: sounds odd that KDE does not add its own path to XDG_DATA_DIRS but I don't have much experience on KDE
13:56<TCW>lindi-, as Gnome is installed too, sure that file is there and gas that content...
13:56<TCW>lindi-, so you think that is the culprit?
13:56<wols_>sml: the module should be named rt5390 but where did you get the info that it was in kernel 2.6.39?
13:56<lindi->TCW: can't be sure
13:56<sml>wols_: someone on here said yesterday. babilen perhaps?
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13:56<TCW>lindi-, you have gnome?
13:56<lindi->TCW: yes
13:57<wols_>sml: it's not in the kernel right now :(
13:57<TCW>lindi-, mind installing KDE for a test? ;)
13:57<sml>wols_: :( I guess that means it's game over then
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13:57<lindi->TCW: this isn't really a test system sorry :)
13:57<TCW>just around 1 - 1,5GB of downalod for a clean gnome system :)
13:58<TCW>lindi-, no harm can be done with that :)
13:58<lindi->TCW: need to play with virtualization more I guess
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13:58<TCW>but true... I can't force you to install KDE... damn :p
13:58<lindi->I'm trying to buy a bike from an auction right now and I can't things as root from this user account :P
13:58<sml>wols_: on the web it seems to suggest that rt5390 is builtin.
14:00<wols_>sml: you need to get the driver frm ralink... no other way :(
14:00<wols_>it#s not game over. many google hits with people who have a HP G62. and there are success stories :)
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14:01<wols_>sml: and you have enabled exactly this config?
14:01<sml>wols_: that git changeset id from the kernel developers seems to suggest support is now native..
14:02<valdyn>sml: "Support for these devices is non-functional at the moment and is..."
14:02<wols_>sml: modprobe rt2800pci then
14:02<sml>wols_: is it RT2800PCI_RT35XX that I have to enable?
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14:04<sml>wols_: erm. FATAL: Module rt2800pci not found.
14:04<sml>I'll just enable it and re-compile. only abnother two hours :)
14:05<wols_>no. it's much faster now but see what valdy said...
14:05<sml>I should've went to the shops and bought a wireless USB card heh
14:05<demooriaan>also have a look into staging section
14:05<wols_>sml: wasn't this laptop for learning about linux? now you lean
14:06<TCW>sml, btw. why no debian kernel?
14:06<sml>TCW: couldn't find a 2.6.39 in anything other than sid
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14:07<sml>TCW: though was careful to try and use the old kernels config as defaults and have buit using kernel-pacakge
14:07<wols_>and the .39 in debian has no driver for it either
14:07<TCW>sml, does this sid kernel not work with stables udev?
14:07<wols_>so I doubt yours from will ever
14:07<wols_>TCW: it works
14:07<TCW>just asking because /lib/modules/2.6.39-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2800pci.ko is there
14:08<valdyn>TCW: that driver is not functional, sais abovementioned changeset
14:08<wols_>sml: which is why a kernel recompile is not really the way forward anymore
14:08<sml>wols_: nope. agreed. will follow your ubuntu link. thanks
14:09<wols_>sml: it sucks but what can you do?
14:09<TCW>valdyn, ah... wols_ suggested to miodprobe it just a second before your message...
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14:09<dselect>Experimental support for Ralink RT53xx PCI-E 802.11n devices (e.g. RT5390: PCI ID 1814:5390) was added to the <rt2800pci> driver at Linux 2.6.39 (CONFIG_RT2800PCI_RT53XX), enabled by default since Linux 3.0-rc1. Support of HP's RT5390 variant (PCI ID 1814:539f, found in the DM1-3000 and DM1Z-3000) was added at linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc4-1~experimental.1 (BTS #630960).
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14:09<TCW>sml, and for your hardware you need a very recent kernel?
14:10<wols_>TCW: yes. said rt5390
14:10<sml>wols_: the question is , would using a more laptop-orientated distro have helped? I guess not. in which case I don't mind spending the time. it's been 'fun' :)
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14:10<wols_>sml: no distro right now has a driver for it
14:10<wols_>see the part about 3.0.0rc4 there.
14:11<sml>TCW: I was just looking for the best way of getting rt5390 working in Debian. I thought there was support for it in .39 which lead me on a wild goose chase.
14:11<wols_>personally I'd download the experimental kernel and install it with dpkg -i just to check what happens when one modprobes rt2800pci
14:11<TCW>sml, in general it is just a kernel thing... you can get EVERY kernel run on EVERY distro, so the distro does not matter much :)
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14:12<wols_>%dbugs #630960
14:12<dselect>DONE:#630960:W[linux-2.6] linux-image-3.0.0-rc3-686-pae: Please add support for HP version of Ralink RT5390 wireless card (patch); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:27:01 UTC []
14:12<sml>wols_: so, do I go for that experimental kernel or just get the tgz from the manu. ?
14:13<fektom>bye all
14:13<TCW>smget the kernel-image... it will most likely just work
14:13<TCW>sml, even
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14:13<sml>TCW: from which repo?
14:14<TCW>sml, from any official debian mirror
14:14<sml>TCW: I mean is it in squeeze?
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14:14<TCW>sml, what? The 3.0 kernel image?
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14:15<sml>it says linux-2.6 3.0.0...
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14:15<dselect>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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14:15<TCW>sml, "it"?
14:16<Black_Prince>linux-2.6 3.0.0 ... What is the logic please?
14:18<wols_>Black_Prince: it's sid and experimental
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14:18<wols_>and there has nothing changed, so linux-2.6 is still approprate technically
14:18<TCW>Black_Prince, the 3.0 kernel is in pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ ...
14:18<sml>okay in for a penny in for a pound. going to have a play with that kernel from experimental. hadn't even heard of the experimental repo until five minutes ago
14:18<sml>wols_: thanks
14:19<klur>is the usage of dpkg's --instdir option the preferred way to install software inside a user's home (sub-)directory?
14:19<TCW>as in
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14:19<wols_>klur: I'd use dpkg -x normally
14:19<TCW>wols_, any reason not to suggest rc6?
14:20<wols_>TCW: no. didn't see it on pdo. rc6 is fine
14:20<wols_>sml: see above. rc6 is already out
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14:21<TCW>btw. since what kernel release was this chip (regardless of the pci id) supported?
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14:22<babilen>sml, wols_: It wasn't me. I could dig up the logs, but I hope you believe me :)
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14:22<valdyn>klur: no, thats not going to work
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14:23<alazare>so for some reason with the new version of deb mint or ubuntu i dont have xorg.conf and i cant do Xorg -configure to create one any ideas?
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14:23<sml>babilen: I believe you. and frankly it doesn't really matter as today i've learnt how to get stuff from backports, compile a debian kernel the correct way and now i've found out about the experimental repo.. :) all been a good ride. just wish my wirelss worked as this ethernet cable is too short and im getting a bad neck
14:23<klur>valdyn, wols_'s or my way is not going to work?
14:23<valdyn>alazare: wrong channel
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14:24<sml>wols_: does it matter what architectuyre i go for? am running x86 distro does that mean i can't get the amd64 kern ?
14:24<alazare>valdyn, what channel should i go to?
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14:24<wols_>sml: you can get the amd64 one
14:24<sml>cool. well wish me luck all :)
14:24<valdyn>alazare: no idea
14:25<alazare>valdyn, is this not a support irc?
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14:25<wols_>alazare: to the channel for the distro you are using
14:25<valdyn>alazare: its for debian
14:25<alazare>valdyn, im using debian now :P
14:25<valdyn>klur: instdir is useless, -x can be useful for certain packages
14:26<sml>ah looks like a no go. Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-35 is to be installed, amoungst two other unmet deps also :(
14:26<alazare>i went to debian since its the source of all them ironically i started with mint went to ubuntu and finally decided after many years on both i like debian the most seems alot more nimble
14:26<valdyn>klur: generally this is not supported by debian anyway
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14:27<valdyn>klur: theres plenty systems to install software at $HOME, independent of distro youre using
14:27<klur>valdyn, you mean it is not supported by Debian to install software in user space?
14:27<valdyn>klur: user space is something else
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14:27<valdyn>klur: debian *packages* are not suitable for this
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14:28<Rehnquist>how much a good idea is it to add mount option noatime to /home ?
14:28<Rehnquist>on a laptop with single user :)
14:28<klur>valdyn, the point is I want to use wine 1.3 but don't want to do a system wide install of unstable software
14:29<valdyn>klur: whatever software, as i said, theres plenty ways to install them at $HOME independent of debian
14:29<lindi->klur: a good alternative is to use an unstable chroot
14:29<lindi->klur: I use this all the time.
14:30<wols_>sml: get the source for the package and use make-kpkg on it?
14:31<klur>lindi-, looks interesting, thanks
14:31<sml>wols_: yeah. good idea. managed to update base via backports but can't do muchb about initramfs and firmware-linux-free as there aren't any more recent versions in squeeze-backports. at least i'm a seasoned pro at make-kpkg today.
14:32<wols_>sml: firmware is irrelevant. initramfs might be too
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14:33<lindi->make-kpkg creates packages that differ quite a lot from the real packages
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14:33<wols_>lindi-: how so?
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14:34<lindi->wols_: well for one it does not create a source package at all
14:34<valdyn>lindi-: umm
14:34<lindi->wols_: you can't use 'apt-get source' with packages that you've created with make-kpkg
14:34<valdyn>lindi-: make-kpkg --help
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14:34<wols_>lindi-: you do know that debian makes its kernels with make-kpkg, right?
14:34<lindi->wols_: it doesn't
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14:34<valdyn>lindi-: sure you cannot apt-get source unless you create a repository
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14:35<lindi->valdyn: I have a repository
14:35<lindi->valdyn: but make-kpkg does not create a source package (.dsc)
14:35<sml>wols_: is it called linux-headers-3.0.0-rc6-amd64 as a source package?
14:36<wols_>sml: what?
14:36<valdyn>lindi-: im not sure why that would be a problem
14:36<sml>wols_: err, was just wondering what the name of the source package for that kernel is called.
14:37<lindi->valdyn: I want to be able to get the source of all my packages easily and in an uniform way
14:37<lindi->valdyn: I hate this "hmm gee, I built this package on X Y Z when I was waiting for a bus, the build directory is probably still on an usb stick in my back pocket somewhere..."
14:37<sml>wols_: as in, apt-get -t experimental source linux-source-3.0.0-rc6-amd64
14:37<sml>doesn't work.
14:38<lindi->valdyn: so: repositories rule
14:38<wols_>sml: do you have an experimental deb-src line?
14:38<valdyn>lindi-: i see, that never bothered me, but i dont build kernels for more than 1 machine
14:38<sml>wols_: god I'm a numpty. no i don't! :)
14:39<lindi->valdyn: ok that explains it
14:39<lindi->valdyn: I want to debug bugs and it helps a lot to have the same kernel on all machines
14:39<alazare>ok lets retry this om on the latest debian release and im trying to setup xorg.conf any ideas?
14:39<lindi->valdyn: at least for comparing memory dumps
14:40<wols_>alazare: what is the problem when you run startx?
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14:41<alazare>wols_, no problem its just i dont have xorg.conf in etc/x11/xorg.con ive tried xorg -configure in terminal it errors said some file i need to delete deleted and retried and still errors...
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14:41<wols_>alazare: what is the problem when you run startx?
14:41<topyli>alazare: nobody has an xorg.conf. why do you want one? :)
14:42<alazare>topyli, so i can setup my dual monitor the gui doesnt see my external monitor adapter
14:43<topyli>alazare: i suppose you can just create xorg.conf with a text editor and add the lines you need
14:43<topyli>x will auto-guess the rest
14:43<jhutchins_lt>alazare: You do not usually need an xorg.conf
14:44<jhutchins_lt>alazare: Gnome or KDE?
14:44<jhutchins_lt>alazare: Actually, I think xrandrtray will work with either and may be all you need.
14:44<alazare>jhutchins_lt, lxde
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14:45<alazare>jhutchins_lt, none of the gdm's can see the external monitor adapter
14:45<jhutchins_lt>alazare: It might work, I'm not familiar with lxde.
14:45<valdyn>lindi-: looks like i can trivially build the source package from my make-kpkg tree "dpkg-source -b"
14:45<jhutchins_lt>alazare: If you could pastebin the actual error -configure gives you it might help.
14:45<alazare>jhutchins_lt, tried gnome kde lxde xfce icewm and a few others none see my external monitor adapter on my laptop so i have to manually set it up on xorg.conf
14:46<jhutchins_lt>alazare: Did you try xrandrtray?
14:46<lindi->valdyn: what sort of copyright information and changelog information will that contain?
14:46<alazare>jhutchins_lt, yep...
14:46<lindi->valdyn: is it lintian clean?
14:46<alazare>jhutchins_lt, that was actually my first attempt my old laptop had a similar problem and xrandtray worked but not for this old toshiba
14:47<alazare>jhutchins_lt, as far as attempting to pastebin it i have to do the command in recorvery mode as i cant ctrl alt backspace kill x idk how to reenable it
14:47<jhutchins_lt>alazare: Run a console.
14:47<sml>wols_: do I need to do anything DIFFERENT to what I did when I just grabbed the source from I mean whereas before I had just my tgz now I've got a whole host of files
14:47<jhutchins_lt>xterm, whatever.
14:48<wols_>sml: apt-get source <package> will create a directory. go in there and run make-kpkg again
14:48<alazare>jhutchins_lt, k
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14:49<wols_>sml: apt-get source will apply all the debian patches, among them the one that makes it support the HP version of that rt5390. also, before you run make-kpkg put the .config there again.
14:49<sml>wols_: I don't need to create the .config? that's the extra step i probably had to do last time because I WASNT using a deb src package right?
14:49<valdyn>lindi-: no idea, I wouldnt know how to verify that, i suppose it will be as good as the debian directory created by make-kpkg is
14:49<wols_>you still need the .config. you got get it frm the .deb experimental kernel you downloaded. you can unpack that package with dpkg -x somewhere and grab the /boot/config* from there
14:49<lindi->valdyn: I doubt that it can meet my quality requirements :)
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14:50<sml>wols_: I can just cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .
14:50<alazare>ooooo alt systeq/print screen key and k kills x server now
14:50<wols_>cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) <path to kernel source/.config
14:51<wols_>must rename it to ".config" when copying
14:51<sml>wols_: yep. done.
14:51<klur>lindi-, can I have a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit host?
14:51<wols_>and no, not /boot/config-$(uname -r) but the 3.0.0rc6 kernel you couldn't install. the .config file from that. hence why you need to unpack that .deb with dpkg -x somewhere
14:51<wols_>klur: yes
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14:54<sml>wols_: well.. i'll let you know how that goes in two hours :) i made an initial ramdisk. i dont know if that was necessary or not but..
14:55<wols_>yes you should
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14:57<sml>wols_: sorry read your comment about the .config file a bit late. the failed install of the .deb from earlier. where will the actual .deb be on my filesystem? i looked in /var/cache/apt/archives.. not there
14:58<wols_>sml: you downloaded it with a browser or such. wherever that browser put it
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14:58<sml>wols_: I never downloaded it I just did apt-get -t experimental install ... blah blah..
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14:59<wols_>sml: if you did that. remove experimental from your sources.list again NOW. RIGHT NOW!
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14:59<sml>wols_: I'm on it...
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15:00<sml>done. even for source packages too?
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15:03<wols_>sml: deb-src lines aren't a problem normally. deb... lines are
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15:04<sml>wols_: you have a wget url for linux-2.6-3.0.0~rc6 ?
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15:05<sml>am battling the ui on
15:05<lindi->there really should be some sort of karma system for unofficial repositories
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15:08<wols_>sml: rc5 only
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15:16<sml>wols_: all done. I got the deb , extracted it, nicked the config file, copied the config file to .config in the dir of the patched source. am now compiling with make-kpkg. you can't say i've just sat about today ;-)
15:16<sml>just the eternal wait for the compile now to see if it's all been fruitfull.
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15:18<sml>but if this doesn't work i am just gonna go out and buy a damn wireless USB that has good kernel support :)
15:18<wols_>sml: but you did. you watched lots of "gcc blah.c" fly by while doing nothing!
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15:19<sml>wols_: the problem was i was still reading howtos and forums whilst it was doing that. i guess i should eat! thanks for your help. will let u know the outcome.
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15:21<malecrickett>hey all
15:21<usiaa>hej adema
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15:37<sandra>Hi everyone
15:37<sandra>oh oh something tells me this isn't the Pinguy OS channel
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15:45<_SeriousSam_>Hello! I have a trouble. On installing I left root password blank. And now I can't log in as root with blank pass. What is wrong?
15:45<jhutchins_lt>%forgot root password
15:45<dselect>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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15:47<sml>dont u also need to use runlevel 1?
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15:47<_SeriousSam_>jhutchins_lt: What can I do in this situation? The pass was blank (I entered it twice).
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15:48<_SeriousSam_>I mean I just pressed enter on "enter your root password" and confirmation.
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15:49<_SeriousSam_>And I can't use su. I need it.
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15:49<sml>_SeriousSam_: read what dselect wrote
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15:55<mintacious21>hey do you know to make usb stick work with mint 11 gnome desktop iso?
15:55<Black_Prince>dselect, mint
15:55<dselect>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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15:56<the_grifter>o hi
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15:58<the_grifter>what's e'ryone doing
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15:59<Black_Prince>Nothing ... Just chillin .... 'n killin ...
15:59<the_grifter>i'm potty training my son ... you win
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16:01<dselect>apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt> but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>,, or or
16:01<sml>If LMDE is based on testing, does that mean you can have the same new software as LMDE by running Debian testing?
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16:03<raboof>when i 'shh -X' into my server, I get 'DISPLAY is not set'. /etc/ssh/sshd_config does have 'X11Forwarding yes'. what else could I check?
16:03<raboof>iirc this worked fine before, but i upgraded some stuff since
16:03<alazare>ok i got the external monitor working now with xorg.conf how can i get the alsa manager in debian to show up in ubuntu and mint it is stock
16:03<Black_Prince>raboof, do you have xauth installed on the remote server
16:04<raboof>Black_Prince: yes
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16:04<sml>don't you have to export teh DISPLAY variable on the remote X client?
16:04<raboof>iirc before this was set automatically (presumably by sshd or some login script or other?)
16:04<sml>I seem to recall you have to do something like that, but it was a long time ago that I had to do that so can't remember exactkly
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16:05<Black_Prince>raboof, just ssh from an X session and use current user terminal
16:06<raboof>setting it to some obvious values (':10', ':1', etc) manually doesn't help either
16:06<raboof>Black_Prince: I want to forward a GUI app
16:06<the_grifter>raboof: when you ssh -X are you then switching to another user ?
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16:06<raboof>the_grifter: nope
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16:08<raboof>adding '-vv' to ssh gives me some logging, - not sure what to make of it though
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16:09<the_grifter>what did you upgrade
16:10<raboof>the_grifter: a lot... the system was still on lenny before this weekend :)
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16:11<the_grifter>gotcha. just curious
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16:18<nshine>hey all, i was install samba and then remove it with aptitude remove.. and now when im trying to install it again i get:
16:19<devil>nshine: dpkg -l | grep samba
16:19<wols_>nshine: dpkg -l |grep samba
16:19*devil wins :)
16:19<nshine>a-lot of stuffs
16:20<devil>nshine: pastebin it please
16:20<wols_>nshine: put it in a pastebin
16:20<nshine>i got gadmin samba, samba, samba-common, and samba-common-bin
16:20<wols_>nshine: put it in a pastebin
16:21<wols_>dpkg --purge
16:21<devil>nshine: aptitude purge samba*
16:22<wols_>dpkg --purge gadmin-samba samba samba-common-bin samba-common
16:22<wols_>this deletes all samba configs you have too. so back them up if you need them
16:22<nshine>wols_, done.
16:22<nshine>devil, (your command didn't work)
16:22<devil>nshine: possible
16:22<nshine>now what? to try again?
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16:23<nshine>mess :-0
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16:24<wols_>nshine: you didn't do what I told you to
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16:24<nshine>wols_, i did, but now i reading the log and i see: dpkg: warning: while removing samba, directory '/var/lib/samba' not empty so not removed.
16:24<wols_>no you did not
16:25<wols_>if you had it wouldn't just try to install samba, but the other ones too. so I know you didn't
16:25<klur>I can't use a chroot as regular user although I am in the group "sid" and the schroot.conf contains the line "groups=sid". Any idea?
16:25<nshine>even when cleaning it, doing your command, and trying th einstallation again - it failed again
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16:25<nshine>wols_, thats the log from your command
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16:27<zalaey>so im using squueze, kde 4.4 and windowmaker. ihow would i go about accessing the KDE menus with WM?
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16:27<wols_>nshine: why don't you react on errors?
16:28<wols_>nshine: and use apt-get purge gadmin-samba samba samba-common-bin samba-common then
16:28<nshine>ok, i think i got it now :]
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16:33<zalaey>i ask because i was trying to use some program called powerdevil, but according to dselects message that is included with KDE and can be found in "system settings"
16:33<zalaey>but since im using WM, not plasma, there ovbiously aren't any KDE menus
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16:35<zalaey>and whenever i load up KDM, its lets users log in, however it says un that screen. i can clt+alt+f1 to get to a terminal login and startx from there, however im not sure why its doing this
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16:41<sml>wols_: almost made it to the finish line but not quite: make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop.
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16:46<PietroTux88>all debian users
16:46<PietroTux88>debian rulez for life
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16:50<zalaey>its been in mine for 13 ;p
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16:52<zalaey>anyone know if i can use mount like ln -s ?
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16:54<daemonkeeper>I guess you are looking for bind mounts.
16:54<daemonkeeper>Read the manual about it.
16:54<zalaey>was looking to mount a directory toa users home directory so they could access it, but so that the rest of the mount was un accessable to them
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16:54<zalaey>daemonkeeper: whats the man? man bind ?
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16:54<daemonkeeper>man mount
16:54<Ruusento>sml: even my build stopped there (it's 3.0-rc6?)
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16:58<zalaey>daemonkeeper: awesome, thanks, my mount knowledge only had gone about as far "using it and using it with loopback devices" dont know why i thought there would be another command
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16:58<sml>Ruusento: yes. looks like a bug then?
16:59<Ruusento>sml: seems that way, tried already placing a dummy Makefile in that directory, but it gets deleted and it makes the same error every time
16:59<Ruusento>in Debian experimental's repo you'll find 3.0-rc4
17:00<sml>Ruusento: that one works ok?
17:00<Ruusento>yes I'm using it at the moment
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17:00<Ruusento>actually it's rc5
17:00<Ruusento>lucent@motherbrain:~$ uname -a
17:00<Ruusento>Linux motherbrain 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae #1 SMP Tue Jun 28 20:45:17 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
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17:01<sml>well i'll play with rc5 at some point then. two compiles today is enough for me.
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17:01<Ruusento>sml: you need to add the experimental repo to the sources.list
17:01<sml>Ruusento: yeah already done.
17:01<Ruusento>and then do aptitude/apt-get selecting the experimental branch
17:01<Ruusento>since it won't be selected automatically
17:02<Ruusento>apt-get -t experimental install linux-image-686
17:02<Ruusento>and then for the headers: apt-get -t experimental install linux-headers-`uname -r`
17:02<Ruusento>obviously after you restarted
17:03<sml>Ruusento: that's how I got the source in the first place ;-) I've done all this. Shame it failes to complete the bulid. but if it fails for you too, then at least its not me
17:03<Ruusento>sml: maybe it's a good idea to file a bug about this
17:03<raboof>hmm, when I log in with 'ssh -X', a '.Xauthority' file appears in my homedir owned by root
17:03<raboof>that doesn't seem right, does it?
17:03<Ruusento>raboof: actually it's right
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17:04<raboof>ok - but it remains 0 bytes, that *really* can't be right, right? :)
17:04<Ruusento>vps1:~# ls -l .Xauthority
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17:04<Ruusento>-rw------- 1 root root 148 10 lug 23.04 .Xauthority
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17:05<Ruusento>if it's 0 bytes, kill that file logging in as root and try reconnecting
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17:10<raboof>hmm, when i delete it just appears again
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17:11<trinisoljah>i have 10 inch dick now
17:11<trinisoljah>i took extenze
17:12<PietroTux88>Attention all users KDE 4.6.4 is on testing debian and sid please upgrade if you have wheezy and sid
17:12<PietroTux88>KDE 4.6.5 is be available on end month
17:13<vrkalak>PietroTux88, did you post this in #debian-next ... this is for Sid and testing
17:14<trinisoljah>im a hacker
17:15<trinisoljah>i hacked this ip address
17:15<trinisoljah>my CPU is so advanced
17:15<trinisoljah>after i hacked it
17:15<trinisoljah>my CPU crashed
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17:16<trinisoljah>cuz i was sending so much bots on the server
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17:16<Black_Prince>!ops trinisoljah
17:16<Black_Prince>dselect, ops trinisoljah
17:16<dselect>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: black_prince complains about: trinisoljah
17:16<Zborg>I am trying to get alsa's softvol working, but all I get is this "sample format not available for playback: Invalid argument, Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument"
17:17<raboof>.Xauthority sometimes is briefly 52 bytes, then goes back to 0 bytes again
17:17<raboof>logging into as another, newly-created user doesn't have X either
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17:19<trinisoljah>is there any girls in here
17:20<trinisoljah>do u want to skype with me
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17:20<Black_Prince>cheers Ganneff
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17:42<zalaey>whats an easy way to edit the users available for sudo? i can't use visudo because i have no ctrl key (macintrash keyboard)
17:44<dvs>zalaey: vi /etc/sudoers ?
17:44<zykotick9>zalaey, add the users to the "sudo" group
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17:46<zalaey>dvs: still wouldnt be able to save using vi.
17:46<zalaey>zykotick9: thank you
17:46<slush>zalaey: using vi, you wouldnt need the ctrl-key
17:47<slush>zalaey: sounds more like nano or smth :)
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17:48<zalaey>weird, so why doesn't visudo follow vi rules?
17:48<lindi->zalaey: visudo has nothing to do with vi
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17:50<zalaey>lindi: except that its an editor and it starts out vi....
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17:50<zalaey>s/out/out\ with
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17:51<slush>no, its just a command, that executes an editor with the sudoers file
17:51<lindi->zalaey: it doesn't start vi, it starts whatever editor has bee configured
17:51<Noz3001>yeah, my visudo starts nano
17:52<lindi->the name is misleading
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17:52<zalaey>lindi: yeah thats all i was saying.
17:53<zalaey>when i first started using unix i only used vi because thats what was included with everything, so when man sudo says i need to edit it with "visudo" its not a leap of logic to assume that the editor it used would be "vi"
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17:54<slush>if you're that quick with asuming things, you'll have hard time on using linux :)
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17:55<zalaey>slush ive been using linux since debian was bo. i just a seven year break from bedian because i got in the habit of rolling things by hand.
17:56<zalaey>bo then slink if i remember correctly.
17:57<zalaey>then again if i see something now thatstarts with g i assume it has a good chance of being a gnome rpogram and the same with misspelt c words as a k, i assume they are KDE, its not until shown otherwise that assume otherwise.
17:58<lindi->zalaey: *nix is full of such misleading names. they just can't be fixed
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17:58<zalaey>lindi-: but they can be aliased once found otherwise ;p
17:59<zalaey>i actually wouldnt care what editor is is, but the box doesn't have a keyboard so i borrowed a nearby imac's 97key keyboard
18:00<slush>zalaey: if it were vi, (like I said before), it wouldnt matter
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18:01<zalaey>slush: yes but apparently its not since it lists ctrl+codes for its comments
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18:02<zalaey>slush: not sure what editor is installed by default, but im not going to change it when there isn't normally even a keyboard on this box. just trying to get it setup for relatives i don't really know too well and don't want them calling about it either
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18:04<zalaey>and yes, it looks like its nano
18:04<zalaey>whomever sais it sounded like nano
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18:06<t232>Is there a way to build a package from a deb without having the orig sourcE?
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18:07<lindi->t232: from a deb?
18:08<t232>More so than anything, pulling rules from the deb
18:08<streuner>t232: does the deb has a name? :-)
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18:08<lindi->t232: what do you mean by deb?
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18:08<t232>The actual debian package.
18:08<streuner>so there is a source then
18:08<t232>And it's util vserver I just need a newer version than what's in the repo and build it out for several distros
18:09<t232>I'm looking more for extraction of rules than anything ;)
18:09<lindi->t232: but then you have original source, don't you?
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18:10<t232>I have a source yes.
18:11<streuner>every deb has a debian/rules ...
18:11<lindi->depends on what 'deb' means :)
18:11<streuner>dselect, debian/rules
18:11<dselect>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>.
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18:12<t232>I want to know if there is a way to extract the rules file of a package.
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18:12<lindi->t232: apt-get source util-vserver
18:12<streuner>we told you, just extract the deb itself
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18:12<t232>The repository that offers newest versions of util-vserver does not have a source repo.
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18:13<lindi->t232: that's a bug
18:13<t232>No it's not, it's their own repository it's not debian
18:13<streuner>dselect, tell t232 about compile options
18:13<lindi->t232: well vserver is under GPL, they need to provide source code
18:13<lindi->t232: :-)
18:14<t232>lindi- they do; but they don't need to provide source for dpkg. I can't say that enough :)
18:14<t232>streuner; if a provider does provide a source repository that won't work :)
18:15<streuner><t232> The actual debian package.
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18:16<lindi->streuner: do you mean binary package?
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18:16<lindi->streuner: ah, you mean the source package that is in debian
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18:16<t232>Maybe I haven't been clear.
18:16<lindi->it has Vcs-Browser: but is empty
18:16<streuner>he asked us about a deb package which should be in Debian itself and how to modify in order to get a newer version
18:17<t232>Repo A provides: util-vserver.deb but does not provide deb-src
18:17<lindi->t232: yeah, forget that repo
18:17<t232>Yeah; but that repo has the version I require.
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18:17<lindi->t232: you can get the source tarball too
18:18<t232>... Yes; I just simply want to know if I can extracer debian/rules from a [dot]deb packag.e
18:18<lindi->if I could just find the version control system of the util-vserver I could say more
18:18<t232>Without a source repo
18:18<lindi->t232: there's a lot more than debian/rules
18:18<t232>I fully underestand that lindi-.
18:19<t232>But nobody has answered either yes, or no, or I don't know.
18:19<lindi->this alioth migration messed up all Vcs-Browser paths :(
18:19<lindi->t232: well I need to see the version control system before I can say anything :P
18:19<lindi->t232: maybe it already has the version you want
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18:20<kyentei>Good evening everyone.
18:20<t232>Maybe; in sid/wheezy/squeeze currently is 0.30.216-pre2864-2 I'm looking for pre2981 - if Alioth has a version for any of those that I can backport but hasn't been migrated into main branch
18:20<t232>I'll be happy to wait for that
18:21<PovAddict>t232: binary packages don't includethe 'rules' file, no
18:21<kyentei>My alt-gr dead keys (US layout) configuration isn't working at all on all of my machines (Running Wheezy). Is this a known issue and does anyone happen to know if there is a fix?
18:21<t232>thanks PovAddict; that's all I was looking for ;)
18:21<t232>lol @ name btw.
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18:21<PovAddict>t232: what src package do you need?
18:22<lindi->trying to find git svn recipe to checkout it
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18:22<t232>util-vserver pre2981 version.
18:22<t232>Or something remotely close to that.
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18:23<lindi->blargh, wagner does not have git svn
18:23<t232>According to changelog from deb repo; it hasn't been updated in 3 year woot for maintainers.
18:24<streuner>feel free to help
18:24<t232>I already do ;)
18:24<streuner>kyentei: did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales yet or did you look at the BTS?
18:24<lindi->I'm rsyncing the svn repo now
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18:25<lindi->t232: also do you know that vserver is going to be removed from debian?
18:25<kyentei>streuner: Yes, in fact - I used dpkg-reconfigure locales to set alt-gr dead keys
18:25<PovAddict>t232: pre2864 is the oldest version ever packaged, so...
18:25<PovAddict>er latest
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18:26<t232>lindi- Thanks for letting me know, I was not aware.
18:26<t232>PovAddict - I knows, 2008 :\
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18:26<lindi->t232: it was never in mainline kernel afaik and now linux containers are offering an alternative
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18:26<t232>Not sure if it was in mainlien, it's a piece of shti though, so I'm not surprised it was never added
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18:28<TCW>KDE does feel somewhat... broken / not well tested / buggy in Debian...
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18:28<lindi->t232: blah, even by rsyncing the svn repo and running git svn it takes ages
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18:29<t232>:) the nature of the large repo game
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18:29<PovAddict>TCW: as compared to what other distro? :)
18:29<lindi->t232: we should just forbid svn :P
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18:30<TCW>PovAddict, I don't know other distros... so it shouldn't be read as other distros would be better there, but that I just know of debian :)
18:30<t232>Haha; i know a shit load of teams have started migrating away.
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18:30<PovAddict>TCW: I mean it could be that KDE is just broken / not well tested / buggy and it's not debian's fault
18:31<TCW>PovAddict, I agree there
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18:31<PovAddict>what version of KDE/Debian?
18:32<TCW>PovAddict, but I guess the problems arise from all different directions... some may be debian centric, some apps centric and some KDE upstream...
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18:32<TCW>PovAddict, sid... the one platform one should not complain about "issues" ;)
18:32<PovAddict>so KDE 4.6.4?
18:33<streuner>TCW: why do you open such a case at this time now?
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18:34<streuner>TCW: the perfect OS/DE/WM isnt available yet, i think you just have a bad day today :-P
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18:35<TCW>PovAddict, a mixture of 4.4 to 4.6 according to dpkg -l|grep kde :)
18:35<PovAddict>what problem are you having?
18:35<streuner>sounds like bobbitt then
18:36<streuner>TCW: a more accurate channel would be #debian-kde
18:36<TCW>PovAddict, bluetooth, printer, iceweasel to name the three most annoying
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18:36<PovAddict>iceweasel is not KDE
18:36<streuner>in #debian-kde are usually hanging all debian KDE devels around, they should know more about
18:36<craigevil>should be a mixture of 4.6.3 and 4.6.4 since not everything was upgraded to 4.6.4
18:37<PovAddict>craigevil: kdepim is at 4.4
18:37<streuner>omg, it even worser as i thought before
18:37<TCW>PovAddict, _I know_ :) as said, the problems vome from all different directions, this is one where iceweasel (firefox upstream) is at fault
18:38*streuner wonders what kind of crap TCW smoke today
18:38<craigevil>kdepim is just a metapackage
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18:39<TCW>craigevil, whatever... sid currecnt, I upgrade daily
18:39<TCW>current even
18:39<craigevil>same here
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18:40<TCW>craigevil, oh, you use KDE? Try opening the printer settings KCM module please
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18:41<PovAddict>I don't even have that kcm module o.o
18:41<jrib>what is the bots name in this channel?
18:41<streuner>jrib: dselect, but please use /msg
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18:41<jrib>streuner: thanks, note the topic says dpkg
18:42<streuner>dpkg is in vacation
18:42<jrib>streuner: ah ok :D
18:42<TCW>PovAddict, you're on KDE/sid as well?
18:42<PovAddict>testing actually
18:42<craigevil>TCW, weird message about no KCMmodule, i have an HP printer i setup using CUPS in firefox
18:42<PovAddict>but I think unstable and testing have the same KDM at the moment
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18:44<TCW>craigevil, see #633499, reported (from me) hours ago.
18:44<PovAddict>I don't see anything printer-related even listed in systemsettings
18:44<TCW>printing works nevertheless for sure... it is just teh KDE gui that is broken
18:44<TCW>PovAddict, then install it? ;)
18:45*streuner installed once a GNOME util printer thingie, after that nothing worked...
18:45<TCW>PovAddict, system-config-printer-kde
18:45<streuner>it broke my whole printer settings
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18:46<wargreen>Hi world
18:46<craigevil>TCW, pic of the message in systemsettings
18:46<PovAddict>damn that kcm sucks
18:47<TCW>craigevil, exactly... start it in a xterm: kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde and you get the output reported in the bugreport
18:47<PovAddict>I get no errors
18:47<Black_Prince>Ah lot of kde users
18:47<PovAddict>but the UI looks ugly and confusing and buggy
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18:48<TCW>PovAddict, you get no erros with the printer thingie in KDE?
18:48<Black_Prince>Can anyone of you tell me what is average memory usage with kde+some basic apps running (like browser, irc client, mail client)
18:48<wargreen>Sorry for my english, but do you know how to control another soundcard's mixer with the multimedia keys ?
18:49<TCW>Black_Prince, same as with gnome... around 1GB if you reboot daily 2GB if you reboot once a week 16TB if you never reboot ;)
18:49<PovAddict>TCW: now you're trolling :P
18:49<PovAddict>I haven't rebooted in 17 days and my RAM usage looks OK
18:49<TCW>PovAddict, but just a bit ;)
18:49<devil>Black_Prince: impossible. what is: browser? after i boot, ivceweasel and chromium open ~ 80 - 100 tabs
18:50<PovAddict>Black_Prince: asking the RAM usage of a browser is like asking how long is a piece of string :)
18:50<Black_Prince>same as gnome = 1GB ... I am running gnome with transmission, rhythmbox, skype, emesene, iceweasel 5, evolution + 5 or more applets (none of the services disabled, eg bluez, avahi, etc)
18:50<devil>Black_Prince: so, right after boot, i have ~ 2 GB ram usage
18:50<craigevil>Memory 391.9/2025.9MB thats in kde4 in sid, firefox 6 tabs, xchat 7 channels, shell-fm running in yakuake
18:50<Black_Prince>And RAM usage = 290MB
18:50<PovAddict>how do you even measure "RAM usage"?
18:50<TCW>Black_Prince, it heavily depends on the stuff you do there... iceweasel alone can take up to 1GB RAM if you have many tabs and complex websites open...
18:51<PovAddict>I have 3GB used RAM, but more than 2GB of that is disk cache
18:51<kyentei>devil: Err, that's interesting right there. 80 to 100 tabs?
18:51<TCW>craigevil, oh... and by chance... do you have bluetooth?
18:51<Black_Prince>TCW, you are right on that one, but I only have 4-5 tabs open at a time ... It never exceeded 120MB of ram
18:51<devil>PovAddict: ram used. and used ram is good ram, you payed for it :)
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18:51<PovAddict>devil: exactly
18:51<chealer>craigevil: kdepim is also a KDE module
18:51<TCW>Black_Prince, so I guess the minimum to be happy is 1GB
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18:51<Black_Prince>Mine problem is that I only have 760MB of RAM ...
18:51<PovAddict>devil: I currently have 287MB free, that's too much, I should readahead something :P
18:51<PovAddict>Black_Prince: so try it and see
18:51<craigevil>TCW, nope this is an older thinkpad R40
18:52<Black_Prince>Gah, I am scared of all that K in kde ...
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18:52<TCW>craigevil, you know... USB got invented some years ago! ;)
18:52<devil>kyentei: yes, it fits my workflow to have that many tabs open, close the ones that are not needed anymore and open new ones in the process
18:52<chealer>PovAddict: kdepim versioning is no longer in sync with the rest of KDE
18:52<PovAddict>chealer: kdepim 4.6 is out, but it's not in debian
18:52<craigevil>never had any reason for bluetooth
18:53<kyentei>devil: Hmm alright. Quite some workflow you got there.. hehe ^.^ I was rather surprised to see you have so many tabs open at boot
18:53<TCW>Black_Prince, are you afro-american? :) I sometimes have the same thought there... even if it has only ONE "K" in it ;)
18:53<Black_Prince>TCW, I am bosnian :|
18:53<Black_Prince>Konzole, Konqueror, Kopette, Kamera ... It just looks scary to me :(
18:54<TCW>Black_Prince, dunno... does the KKK have issues with you folks as well? :)
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18:55<chealer>TCW: you should have only 4.6 (ignoring kdepim) for user stuff
18:55<devil>kyentei: i just open last session in kde (reboots happen ~ once a week)
18:56<devil>kyentei: and, as an author, i need to do a lot of research
18:56<kyentei>devil: I see, I see ^.^
18:56<TCW>ii libsmokekdecore4-3 4:4.4.5-7 <- chealer
18:56<kyentei>devil: And you have these tabs open in multiple browsers?
18:57<chealer>TCW: yeah, that's kdebindings
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18:57<Black_Prince>libsmoke? KDE does drugs?
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18:57<devil>kyentei: i 2 browsers, iceweasel (7 atm) and chromium (14.0.795.0)
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18:58<devil>Black_Prince: just tobacco
18:58<nodisc>Hello, following a discussion on #gnome i'd like to know what you use to play your music folders (direct file/folder access or a media library system). I'm trying to achieve a better music player integration on GNOME
18:58<devil>kyentei: but different tabs in both
18:58<nodisc>My experiences and people I know made me think folder>right click>play was the "standard" behaviour.
18:58<nodisc>someone said otherwise
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18:59<kyentei>devil: This is on GNOME or KDE? I think I picked up someone mentioning using Iceweasel on KDE before.
18:59<chealer>craigevil: you prefer xchat to Konversation?
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19:00<chealer>IRC channels shouldn't take much RAM BTW :-)
19:00<Black_Prince>Mine xdchat takes only 8MB of ram heh ... 2 networks 4 channels
19:00<Black_Prince>xchat .. :(
19:00<TCW>chealer, my IRC client takes around 100MB and even more! :)
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19:00<Black_Prince>TCW, you own a botnet?
19:00<chealer>TCW: huh. which one?
19:01<TCW>Black_Prince, nah... :)
19:01<TCW>chealer, smuxi :)
19:01<Black_Prince>TCW, your best choice whould be to use irssi then :D
19:01<Black_Prince>OR BitchX :/
19:02<TCW>Black_Prince, why? I have enough RAM :)
19:03<chealer>TCW: ew :-P
19:03<ml|>irssi here using 30MB 8 channels on two networks
19:03<Black_Prince>Those two look more kewl ...
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19:03<devil>kyentei: kde, i never used gnome
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19:05<nodisc>pidgin is using 32MB now here, 7 channels on 2 networks
19:05<nodisc>but it's light on irc features
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19:06<TCW>chealer, what should I say? It may have the features I really want one day... until then... a little suffering here and there ;)
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19:07<kyentei>devil: Alright. ^_^ I got curious about KDE just now. As it is the other way around to me. So I'm currently installing SID in a virtual machine, going to install KDE on that and test it some.
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19:08<devil>kyentei: kde 4.6.4 in sid is quite mature imho
19:08<TCW>devil, is it? Really? ;)
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19:09<TCW>Ok, it did not crash... yet... as earlier versions did... but mature?
19:09<kyentei>devil: We'll see ^_^
19:09<kyentei>devil: Hey, isn't a guy with your nickname supposed to run BSD? =p
19:09<devil>kyentei: heh, nah, never ever
19:09<Black_Prince>kyentei, yeah BSD's mascot is girl in devil costume according to uncyclopedia ...
19:10<TCW>Black_Prince, uhh! Is it a hot one? ;)
19:10<chealer>TCW: no such bug here
19:10<kyentei>TCW: Devil + girl does sound kinky, don't ya think?
19:11<TCW>kyentei, depends on the girl actually ;)
19:11<TCW>chealer, pardon?
19:11<kyentei>TCW: I suppose you're right.
19:11<chealer>TCW: "renders package unusable" means unusable period, not just unusable on a certain system or for a certain system
19:11<kyentei>devil: Never ever, even. Why so? =p
19:11<devil>kyentei: yeah, not much girl resemblance in this here devil
19:11<chealer>TCW: I can't reproduce
19:11<TCW>chealer, huh?!
19:11<kyentei>Black_Prince: Where did the girl part come from?
19:11<devil>kyentei: nothing against it really, just debian fulfills my needs
19:12<kyentei>devil: No one mentioned abandonning debian, right? :-p
19:13<devil>kyentei: i got enough to do keeping on top of 1 OS...
19:13<kyentei>devil: Hehe, alright. :-p I shall keep my mouth shut about BSD then ^_^
19:13<TCW>chealer, this bug was confirmed here for several users.
19:13<kyentei>devil: You mentioned being an author. What do you write about?
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19:14<chealer>TCW: here meaning on your machine or on this channel?
19:14<devil>kyentei: linux, hardware
19:14<TCW>chealer, on this channel
19:14<kyentei>devil: Is your work available online?
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19:14<devil>kyentei: parts of it, but in german
19:14<chealer>I would agree with TCW. KDE 4.6 is perhaps "stable", but still quite buggy
19:15<kyentei>devil: I am Dutch myself, I may be able to understand parts of it
19:15<chealer>TCW: then please mention that in the report
19:16<devil>kyentei: the stuff on linux-community is members only, so you cant read much of it:
19:16<Black_Prince>TCW, look at #d-offtopic
19:17<devil>kyentei: but the same article is also on:
19:17<TCW>chealer, I was just sure it happens for all users (it does on all machines here that run KDE), didn't bother asking here before reporting the bug. Just a few minutes ago for example craigevil confirmed it
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19:18<kyentei>devil: Alright! I love all the linux stuff when it narrows down to different countries.
19:18<TCW>chealer, but why does it not happen on your box? You're on sid current KDE as well?
19:18<kyentei>devil: Once the owner of the website finds time to replace the website, I will be the new maintainer of myself.
19:18<kyentei>devil: Anyway, I'm going to give this a read.
19:18<devil>kyentei: i do a daily column in the news section of also
19:18<chealer>TCW: I'm on testing
19:19<devil>kyentei: we are a bit OT btw :)
19:19<TCW>chealer, ah... it does only happen on sid, testing users are not affected (at least one testing user told so here)
19:20<kyentei>devil: Yes, we are. Though no one has corrected us so far and we aren't _really_ flooding the channel, are we?
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19:20<chealer>TCW: well, that's another key information
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19:21<kyentei>devil: I can't say I understand all of it. But it does at least seem interesting. (And I learned some about the pricing of SSDs)
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19:22<TCW>chealer, so tag it as sid?
19:22<kyentei>devil: On the Window Manager/Desktop Environment subject: Why KDE?
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19:22<devil>kyentei: well, they are expensive, and damn fast, if you get the right one
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19:23<devil>kyentei: because i support(ed) a debian derivate that uses kde as default desktop
19:24<kyentei>So really just because you are used to it?
19:24<kyentei>devil: So really just because you are used to it?
19:24<kyentei>There we go.
19:24<kyentei>devil: (same here with GNOME, really. Though I can't say I like the way Gnome3 is headed)
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19:25<devil>kyentei: i never liked gnome, whenever i looked at it. i enjoy lxde and make use of awesome and a lot of CLI
19:25<devil>gnome3 is a love/hate thing unfortunately (like kde3-kde4)
19:26<devil>gnome-lovers should give the new concepts of gnome3 a chance
19:26<kyentei>I already have. And it's okay..ish
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19:26<kyentei>Well, gnome-shell is what I tried. The gnome3 fallback mode does look a lot like gnome32
19:26<kyentei>gnome2, even.
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19:28<Black_Prince>gnome3 falback = gnome-panel3 + metacity
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19:28<Black_Prince>There is only difference in the panel, nothing else
19:28<kyentei>Well, the main difference is in how it works.
19:28<kyentei>The menu, the bar.
19:29<kyentei>gnome-shell is terrible if you have more than 5 windows open.
19:29<Black_Prince>especialy if you have old hardware
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19:30<kyentei>And then it takes an actual extension to add a shutdown button to your system.
19:30*kyentei sighs
19:30<Black_Prince>That's the feature that mostly sucks :|
19:31<kyentei>But I'm quite curious to see what other things are going to be built on top of gnome3
19:32<Black_Prince>I am waiting for 3.2 release ... 3.0 doesn't seem just ready yet
19:32<kyentei>I haven
19:32<kyentei>I Haven't quite looked into that.
19:33<kyentei>Is a release date planned yet?
19:33<TCW>I wonder how the future may look like... regardless of how stable / feature-rich google-shell will get, its concepts drives many folks just crazy...
19:33<Black_Prince>IIRC their release cycle is every 6 months
19:33<TCW>argh! s/google/Gnome/ :)
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19:35<kyentei>TCW: Hah, google-shell.. Hmm, who knows. Google is almost everywhere nowadays already, it might just be your window-manager or desktop-environment really soon!
19:35<kyentei>6 months, alright. Well, we'll see then.
19:36<kyentei>Is there any big difference in battery usage between KDE and Gnome btw?
19:36<kyentei>My netbook has a good six hours using wheezy and gnome
19:37<TCW>kyentei, not untill power-management is broken under any DE
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19:37<kyentei>TCW: So the special netbook-plasma thing KDE offers doesn't really improve battery life?
19:37<TCW>And I guess... regardless if Gnome or KDE, they are both bloated :)
19:37<devil>just a bit
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19:38<nevyn>and so's bash but everyone still uses it. because those features are convienient
19:39<TCW>kyentei, no real idea what that thing does... but it is just a workspace gui, isn't it?
19:40<kyentei>TCW: I suppose. Don't ask me, I'm no KDE expert :p
19:40<TCW>me neither... I just use it a little more since a few days (as the gnome3 day comes faster and faster)
19:40<Black_Prince>Wow looking at your talk about KDE made me more comfortable, and my fear about all those K's went off for a bit :P
19:40<kyentei>I know Ubuntu stopped shipping their Netbook Edition because Unity is to be perfect for netbook usage too. And yet it eats your ram and ... well, talk about bloated.
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19:41<TCW>Black_Prince, remember... there are some good things starting with "K" too! ;)
19:41<kyentei>Black_Prince: Haha, I am currently installing KDE in a VM to test it all out. Though, all my previous attempts made me love gnome even more.
19:41<kyentei>TCW: *tries to come up with one*
19:41<Black_Prince>kyentei, don't tell me .. Last time I installed KDE I didn't know how to setup a internet connection :(
19:42<TCW>kyentei, what is your DE focus? What do you want from your DE?
19:42<kyentei>TCW: Totally depends on the system I use it on. Though, I frequently change from Gnome to Fluxbox and back.
19:42<Black_Prince>TCW, kromium-browser? KDE's version of chromium-browser :P
19:43<kyentei>TCW: Good things starting with a K, I have this irresistable urge to say "Kunt" now.
19:43<chealer>TCW: you could, but as long as we don't know what component is causing this, it may transition to testing at any time and affect it too
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19:43<TCW>Black_Prince, ok... I have a hard time finding international / english words starting with "K" and which are "good" but I can tell you many good "K"'s in german! ;)
19:44<chealer>TCW: I would rather say the bug was reproduced on a/x testing machines tested, and b/y unstable machines tested
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19:44<TCW>chealer, I thought the error message is quite a hint?
19:44<Black_Prince>K+english words are more scarier than Debian GNU/Hurd
19:45<TCW>I mean... *I* have *no* idea about KDEs internals, but "kcmshell(21320)/kcontrol KCModuleLoader::loadModule: This module has no valid entry symbol at all." reads to me as a quite obvious direction to lokk into.
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19:45<TCW>look even
19:46<kyentei>Black_Prince: GNU/kFreeBSD
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19:46<kyentei>Black_Prince: kFreeBSD starts with a K!
19:46<TCW>AHHH! kyentei there you go! Good job! ;)
19:46<Black_Prince>kyentei, I didn't mean a word, but a system itself.
19:47<nodisc>Bop, audacious is way better than the las time i tried. Easy to integrate in file manager with nautilus-actions too. Thanks
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19:47<nodisc>oops wrong channem
19:48<kyentei>Interesting! I did an "apt-get install kdm" and an "aptitude install kde-desktop" and now I have both KDE and GNOME!
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19:48<chealer>TCW: what direction is that? I don't know KDE internals neither.
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19:52<TCW>chealer, KCModuleLoader missing any reference to the printer kcm module... th next part in that error talks about another possible place to look at "X-KDE-FactoryName not supported anymore". I have a *STRONG* feeling a KDE guy may have an idea there ;)
19:52<chealer>TCW: yeah but meanwhile that doesn't give me any package
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19:53<TCW>chealer, me neither, but you and me we have no idea about KDE...
19:53<Black_Prince>TCW, try using xterm+twm :P
19:53<Black_Prince>xterm+twm+browser is everything that I could be happy with
19:54<TCW>chealer, somehow I get the feeling you think only real insiders are allowed to file grave bug reports?
19:54<chealer>TCW: sure, so considering that, I recommend the report is not tagged sid
19:55<chealer>TCW: no. I was under the impression you set the severity to grave just because you couldn't use the package on your machine, like many users do. if you thought it was really broken everywhere, that's fine, just please mention what makes you think so
19:56<kyentei>KDE lovers here, can someone tell me how I get gtk-using applications to look nice on KDE?
19:57<TCW>chealer, err... the two things I expect from a maintainer is 1.) he runs sid "somewhere" 2.) he klicks that one damn button, even just out of pure curiosity to see what happens...
19:58<TCW>kyentei, do you have a backlog of yesterday? There I had the same question... but nothing really worked here :)
19:58<kyentei>TCW: No, as I just joined.
19:58<kyentei>TCW: But then again, I could just google it. (Using google-shell and all ;-))
19:59<chealer>TCW: partially, but there's a channel log
19:59<dselect>[irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at
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20:00<kyentei>chealer: The log of yesterday is not on there yet.
20:00<chealer>TCW: yeah, well that's a good reason to note you think that's sid-specific
20:01<TCW>chealer, isn't one reason to run sid to find bugs before they hit testing?
20:01<dang6>Does anybody know anything about SSD alignment in the Squeeze installer? Is it done automatically?
20:01*themill wonders how to educate that there are TZs other than east coast US
20:02<chealer>TCW: yes
20:03<TCW>chealer, so? :)
20:03<zalaey>anyone know why the example around line 1176/1395 of the manual page for sudoers wouldnt work with the user changed and the host part changed? "pete HPPA = /usr/bin/passwd [A-Za-z]*, !/usr/bin/passwd root" is what it is and i changed pete to zalaey and HPPA to ALL
20:04<TCW>kyentei, sorry, it was the day before :) search for "TCW" first hit ;)
20:04<chealer>TCW: so please indicate you believe the bug affects all sid installs and only these, and ideally what makes you think so
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20:05<kingsley>Is my understanding correct that dpkg, apt-get and aptitude are smart enough to retrieve the latest version of a package that's archived by multiple lines in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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20:05<kyentei>TCW: That doesn't _really_ point towards an answer, does it now? =p
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20:06<jrib>kingsley: dpkg expects a .deb but the others should do that by default, yes
20:07<TCW>chealer, I think that is the default? As we agreed on why to run sid in the first place...
20:07<chealer>kingsley: dpkg doesn't know about sources.list
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20:07<TCW>kyentei, have a look down from 07:58
20:07<chealer>kingsley: APT front-ends won't necessarily install the latest version available from your sources.list. do you know about apt-cache policy?
20:08<themill>kingsley: there also pinning to take account of in determining which is the candidate version of a package on your weirdo frankendebian box
20:08<kyentei>TCW: Thanks. :-)
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20:09<kingsley>jrib, chealer and themill: Thank you for jogging my memory. That all makes sense.
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20:10<TCW>kyentei, please report back if it works on your box
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20:13<kyentei>TCW: Hm, I can't really figure it out right now. I may need to install more gnome stuff before I get this to work, which is lame - because I wanted KDE.
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20:14<TCW>kyentei, why do you need to install gnome stuff?
20:14<kyentei>TCW: To get gtk things to look okay?
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20:15<TCW>apart from the GTK-libs (which should be already there as the GTK-apps need them anyway) it is only one package
20:15<Black_Prince>kyentei, you only need engines :P
20:15<Black_Prince>(and possibly some fuel for them)
20:15<kyentei>Right, which did not apply
20:15<kyentei>The gtk2 theme should apply that oxygene theme, aye?
20:15<kyentei>The, ehh, gtk2 engine.. thing.
20:15<TCW>Ok, maybe two or so... didn't mind the deps... but it was fairly small
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20:16<kyentei>So, I don't need to have gnome-settings-daemon running?
20:16<TCW>kyentei, at least not that I am aware of :)
20:16<Black_Prince>kyentei, you do if you run some gnome-specific apps that depend on settings and gconf
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20:17<kyentei>Black_Prince: Just tried to use chromium, really.
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20:17<kyentei>Black_Prince: Which looked absolutely poopsmear.
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20:18<Black_Prince>kyentei, chromium browser doesn't depend on any piece of gnome, but it is an gtk+ app, so you need gtk2-engines for it ...
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20:18<Black_Prince>gtk2-engines-qtcurve may help
20:18<kyentei>I just spotted gtk-qt-engine-kde4 somewhere in a manual.
20:19<kyentei>I shall take a look.
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20:19<Black_Prince>gtk2-engines-qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for Gtk2 based apps
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20:19<kyentei>I am getting quite sleepy. I think I would've figured this out faster if it wasn't so late
20:20<Black_Prince>2:20 AM here
20:20<kyentei>Same here.
20:20<kyentei>I did spend the day at a youth centre though, charity work.. we had an open day.
20:20<streuner_>hm, so you have not to work today :-)
20:20<Black_Prince>I am still at school :|
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20:20<kyentei>And I had to fix some irc-server issues for my company too
20:21<kyentei>at school.. as in physically there?
20:21<kyentei>at this very moment?
20:21<Black_Prince>No, I mean I didn't finish school, yet ... Summer holiday currently :(
20:21<streuner_>Black_Prince: and school just open at 10:00 AM?
20:21<kyentei>Black_Prince: Same here. I'm in the 3rd year of college.
20:21<streuner_>oh, that makes sense
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20:22<Black_Prince>kyentei, 21?
20:22<kyentei>Black_Prince: 19
20:22<Black_Prince>kyentei, well you aren't much older than me ... Here college starts with 18yrs ...
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20:22<kyentei>Ah, I started at age 16.
20:23<Black_Prince>We have 8 yrs of elementary school, 4 years of middle school (or 3 for some) and college if you want it.
20:24<kyentei>Where are you from?
20:24<Black_Prince>Bosnia and Herzegovina
20:24<kyentei>I see
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20:25<kyentei>Black_Prince, TCW: I just installed that qt package you mentioned earlier. Didn't fix a thing.
20:25<kyentei>And yes, I did restart kdm.
20:25<kyentei>What's with the KDM login screen looking like the old gdm one, though?
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20:26<TCW>kyentei, it may be we missed something... and as said, I am as new to KDE as a virgin to a <censored> :)
20:26<Black_Prince>judd versions gtk-qt-engine
20:26<judd>Package gtk-qt-engine on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.8-4; squeeze: 1:1.1+svn5-4+b1
20:27<Black_Prince>Well, I guess no package for testing/sid
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20:28<kyentei>I'm adding some extra packages
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20:29<Black_Prince>kyentei, also
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20:30<kyentei>Black_Prince: Why thank you.
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20:33<kyentei>Black_Prince: Bleh, I'm too tired for this I'm afraid. I will try all this tomorrow
20:33<zalaey>anyone know why the example around line 1176/1395 of the manual page for sudoers wouldnt work with the user changed and the host part changed? "pete HPPA = /usr/bin/passwd [A-Za-z]*, !/usr/bin/passwd root" is what it is and i changed pete to zalaey and HPPA to ALL, yet when itry to save visudo says there is a syntax error
20:34<kyentei>Oh, yes - why I initially decided to visit. Is there anyone else here having issues with alt-gr dead keys too?
20:34<Black_Prince>↓→↓← no ...
20:35<kyentei>Fuck me. It's working again.
20:35<Black_Prince>No, thanks
20:35<kyentei>Where... did I initually have the issues on.
20:36<kyentei>Hm, I don't understand.
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20:37<kyentei>I shall try on my netbook.
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20:43<kyentei>Hm, fixed.
20:43<kyentei>Seems dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-properties doesn't apply to all users.
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20:51<zalaey>anyone know why editing /etc/sudoers with "ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/mount /media/cdrom, \ /sbin/mount -o nosuid,nodev \ /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom" wouldn't bring back a syntax error?
20:51<zalaey>err wouldn't work/bring back a syntax error
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20:54<kyentei>zalaey: I'm not an expert, but why the backslashes?
20:55<zalaey>because they were included with samples in man sudoers
20:57<kyentei>zalaey: Also, the command /sbin/mount is not to require a password
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20:57<kyentei>I don't think the parameters are that important
20:57<kyentei>NOPASSWD: /sbin/mount
20:57<kyentei>Is that not enough?
20:58<zalaey>for security reason's id rather not any user be able to mount anything they'd want to?
20:58<kyentei>Hm, right.
20:58<kyentei>Not knowing a quick answer to this, I'd write a bash script somewhere in /usr/local/bin
20:58<kyentei>That mounts that location for you
20:59<kyentei>And add that to your sudoers
20:59<kyentei>ergo; NOPASSWD /usr/local/bin/zalaeymount
20:59<kyentei>But that'd just be a solution for me personally, as a quick workaround.
20:59<kyentei>And of course be sure to give everyone the execute rights to that file, and not write
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21:01<kyentei>Something else: Is anybody else experiencing huge fonts on wikipedia using Debian?
21:01<stew>only after I hit "ctrl +" a bunch of times
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21:02<zalaey>kyentei: thanks, had to step away for a second because of kids, but that sounds like a wonderful work around, ill just comment out the lines from /etc/sudoers and figure it out later :) thanks again
21:02<stew>it goes away when I hit 'ctrl -'
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21:04<zalaey>wow stew >_> couldn't just say your fonts are zoomed in?
21:05<kyentei>stew: I meant the font itself is totally b0rked. Even though ctrl+0 was my first response too.
21:05<kyentei>stew: It seems the actual font is completely b0rked.
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21:06<kyentei>zalaey: You're welcome, I wish I was able to give a direct answer to your sudoers question. If you do find a solution regarding the /etc/sudoers file, feel free to inform me how you got it to work ^_^
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21:08<zalaey>kyentei: that script, chmod 0600 /usr/local/bin/zmount ; chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/zmount ?
21:08<zalaey>or is that too paranoid?
21:10<kyentei>zalaey: I am a total noob when it comes to numbers like that. I'll tell you what I'd do
21:10<kyentei>zalaey: chmod ugo+rx /usr/local/bin/zmount
21:10<kyentei>zalaey: chmod go-w /usr/local/bin/zmount
21:11<kyentei>read and execute rights for everyone on the system
21:11<kyentei>and write rights only for the owner of the file
21:11<zalaey>zalaey: sorry chmod 600 makes it so only owner can read and write
21:11<kyentei>You could do that too :p
21:11<zalaey>sorry been up too long
21:11<kyentei>I see no harm in letting users read the script
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21:12<kyentei>But do as you please, as long as everyone can execute the script
21:12<zalaey>but do they need read permissions to run it?
21:12<kyentei>No they don't.
21:12<zalaey>sorry wide variety of age of people will be using the computer, not sure how openi want to leave it
21:12<kyentei>Depending on the person they might want to view/read what they're about to run though
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21:12<zalaey>good point.
21:13<kyentei>And if they don't understand much about Debian or GNU/Linux systems, they probably won't end up reading it anwyay
21:13<kyentei>anyway, even
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21:14<kyentei>And, obviously, I'd say the owner and group of the file to root:root
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21:15<kyentei>3:15 AM, might be time to go to bed.
21:16<Black_Prince>have sweet dreams
21:17<kyentei>I shall try ^.^
21:17<kyentei>Same to you
21:17<kyentei>I thought you had already gone to sleep, hehe.
21:17<kyentei>Anyway, I think I'm going to stick around on the channel.
21:17<Black_Prince>I'm watching something on youtube
21:17<kyentei>I see
21:17<Black_Prince>I can't sleep till 4-5 AM
21:18<kyentei>Haha, I have that issue a lot too.
21:18<kyentei>And then I have to skip a night in order to get my sleeping pattern straight.
21:18<kyentei>Anyway, before that happens: goodnight!
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21:21<zalaey>ah you people from tomorrow eh?
21:22<zalaey>3:15 in the 11th?
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21:50<zalaey>if i've edited my /etc/sudoers file, should i reboot to have the changes take effect?
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21:53<TCW>oops... the KDE4 effects make me wonder if I really still want / need compiz *scratches head*
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21:57<SQlvpapir>somebody needs to end the life of Andy Rooney
21:58<TCW>SQlvpapir, who?
21:58<SQlvpapir>guy who ends 60 minutes
21:59<TCW>SQlvpapir, err... pardon? :)
21:59<abrotman>SQlvpapir: hi, this is #debian
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22:00<TCW>abrotman, I wasn't sure if he was maybe talking of a dd :)
22:00<abrotman>TCW: in your whois .. are you a smuxi dev/
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22:03<TCW>abrotman, nope... just a beta-tester, feature-requester, dev/maintainer-basher, irc-friend (whatever that may imply *g*) of the smuxi dev/maintainer :) why are you asking?
22:03<abrotman>TCW: i was trying to use it some time ago .. not as easy as i was hoping
22:03<TCW>abrotman, what was your issue?
22:04<abrotman>TCW: it was awhile ago ..
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22:04<TCW>abrotman, did you use it with a local engine or a remote one?
22:04<abrotman>TCW: hrm .. a) the stuff where the versions have to match is a bit silly .. b) when they did match, it was buggy
22:04<abrotman>TCW: i tried both
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22:05<TCW>yeah, early versions were silly, laggy, buggy, picky about versions (api did change in between)... but since 0.8 it is just laggy ;)
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22:06<TCW>abrotman, if you have stable, there are backports available (if you haven't noticed)
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22:09<abrotman>TCW: this was awhile ago .. i just thought it was a bit strange that if i wanted to use smuxi with squeeze, i had to scour the intarweb for a compatible client
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22:11<TCW>abrotman, squeeze does have a compatible server / client
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22:11<TCW>,versions smuxi
22:11<judd>Package smuxi on i386 -- lenny-backports:; squeeze:; squeeze-backports: 0.8-2~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8-7; wheezy: 0.8-7
22:11<abrotman>TCW: only if both the server and client are on squeeze
22:11<abrotman>if the remote is squeeze and the client is wheezy ..
22:11<TCW>squeeze-backports: 0.8-2~bpo60+1 <-
22:13<TCW>abrotman, sad but true, 0.7 and 0.8 are incompatible... but the dev thinks this would be (hopefully *g*) the last api change :)
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22:13<abrotman>sure sure ...
22:14<TCW>yeah... famous last words :)
22:14<abrotman>but why doesn' the 8.x client recognize that the server is 7.x and change the protocol :(
22:14<TCW>I guess because the dev was a bit lazy there...
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22:14<sney>the main smuxi dev hangs out in here sometimes, he must be off now because I think the name hilights him
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22:15<TCW>meebey <- the dev, and haven't seen him for days, maybe he is on vacation or something.
22:15<abrotman>it's okay .. i was just curious .. i tried to use it with multiple versions of clients, and having to force the versions to match turns that into a pretty silly game pretty quickly
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22:16<TCW>abrotman, even rsync had issues there... and other apps that rely on a perfect match in versions come to my mind...
22:17<abrotman>i know, i just said it was a pain .. i put that idea aside for now, i'll revisit it in the future
22:19<TCW>abrotman, as a beta-tester I am a bitch... and I must say, it is no way near "finished" / "prime-time ready" (and meebey will kill me for that statement probably *g*)
22:21<abrotman>it's okay .. i'll revisit it later ..
22:21<abrotman>super long weekend, heading for a pillow
22:21<TCW>0.9 should fix the most annoying things... I hpe :)
22:22<TCW>abrotman, very good idea... I'll do the same... g'nite :)
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22:39<f_santos93>testing my xchat, i don't know what to do
22:40<dselect>Test failed.
22:41<f_santos93>thanks for the help
22:42<f_santos93>leaving now
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22:46<wissem>how can I see the man of dpkg( the bot) ?
22:46*wissem wanna play
22:48<babilen>wissem: dpkg is on vacation. It is an infobot and you can read the infobot manual and play with your own bot.
22:49<wissem>babilen: I hope he is enjoying himself then ;D
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23:08*nevyn misses dpkg.
23:09<nevyn>babilen: having an infobot doesn't give you the database that was oh so useful and amusing that's dpkg
23:10<sney>nevyn: see dpkg's backup, dselect
23:10<sney>dselect: lart nevyn
23:10<sney>well anyway, it has the other functions
23:10<thckx>Hi to all. :)
23:11<thckx>who can give me a help regarding a doubt with networkmanager, wep key q in the 12-hexadecimal 40/128 bits will not let me set the "connect". :P
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23:13<nevyn>thckx: ask an actual question.
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23:18<nevyn>thckx: it's not obvious what you're trying to do that isn't working or what you expect.
23:18<nevyn>thckx: something networkmanager sometthing something web 40/128bit something something.
23:19<nevyn>I use networkmanager with wpa mostly.
23:20<thckx>ahahaha broadband is neighbor to use. : (
23:21<thckx>I have internet for the girl who lives next door for that.
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23:52<dyek>Hi! I was "figuring my way around" and eventually changed Gnome2's ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session/*.desktop files to start "slow" apps as shell's background tasks. However, I am not sure what I touched such that the desktop apps' appearances changed. Without a reference to compare side-by-side, it is hard for me to identify exactly what changed, but I think the desktop menu and gnome-panel changed to be more gray, the application menu bar
23:52<dyek> shadow changed to be darker and thicker, all application tabs showed "x" (the close button) while only one tab showed it before this, etc. I suspected that my experimental change to delay startup of nautilus by 1 second (turned out not what I need) might have disconnected it from GSettings, but I really have no clue yet how the accidental change occurred. Anybody has a better guess what could have changed on my desktop? My current desktop is fr
23:52<dyek>om Debian 6, Squeeze, install and quite close to the default configuration.
23:52<gord>Does anyone know how to adjust the default volume stepping for mousewheeling over the gnome volume icon or using the keyboard shortcut?
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23:58<gord>nvm, seems to be hardcoded -_-"
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