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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-01

---Logopened Thu Sep 01 00:00:31 2011
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00:20<amakusa>hello, can anyone recommend an alternative to the application gnome uses to input a command by pressing alt+F2?
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00:29<amakusa>hagom: I'm running blackbox and I would like to be able to input a command without having to start a terminal or right-clicking for a menu
00:30<hagom>I wouldn't now how to do that
00:30<hagom>did you search on google?
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00:31<amakusa>hagom: I'm on that but no luck so far
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01:07<aussa>hi, I'm trying to install wheezy nvidia-graphics-drivers on my squeeze system, I downloaded the source code and built it, it created some .deb files, the problem is I don't know which of those to install, files:
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01:19<chealer>did you already install nvidia-kernel-common?
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01:31<sweetandy>I'm going to make two user accounts in a virtualbox debian install with gpg keys that will send mail to each other encrypted
01:31<sweetandy>i'm so fail
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01:36<chealer>aussa: ^
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01:38<aussa>chealer: I think I haven't
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01:42<aussa>chealer: that nvidia-kernel-common is the same for squeezy and wheezy?
01:44<robert>can anyone help install ati video drivers for xubuntu 11.04 I already did a google search and my issue is in the terminal it said I cannot run ./ati-driver-install-9-3-etc-etc
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01:48<chealer>aussa: it's not. wheezy needs nvidia-support 20110729+1
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01:51<aussa>chealer: so, what is the procedure, download its source code and create the .deb file(s)?? or can I get it through back-ports or what do I do? :S
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01:55<chealer>aussa: you should be able to install squeeze's nvidia-support package directly:
01:55<chealer>sorry, wheezy's
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01:56<chealer>frankly, the first think you'll need is a lot of patience to complete that if you're not experienced with Debian package management
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01:57<aussa>chealer: I have a lot, hahaha
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02:01<aussa>chealer: the .dsc file or the .tar.gz?'
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02:02<chealer>aussa: the .deb
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02:02<iph0ne>hi all
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02:03<iph0ne>quiet here tonight i see
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02:04<aussa>chealer: ok, I can't find it... :S
02:04<iph0ne>anyone on iphone here?
02:05<chealer>aussa: see
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02:07<iph0ne>anyone here write code for cydia
02:07<wols>iph0ne: how is this debian related?
02:08<iph0ne>most coded info is deb packages
02:08<wols>aussa: can I ask you why you haven't installed any of the .deb files you created yet? what is so hard about it?
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02:08<wols>iph0ne: again, how is your question debian related? cydia is not debian, iphones don't run debian
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02:09<iph0ne>iphones can run emulated debian apps
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02:10<wols>iph0ne: but iphones don't run debian and hence are not supported in any way here.
02:10<wols>!based on debian
02:10<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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02:12<aussa>wols: well, I don't know, I'm afraid some of those messes up my system... you tell me
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02:13<wols>they don't. the most it can mess up is 3D support vial libgl, but you have not 3D support yet anyways, so no worries there
02:14<chealer>aussa: good night, and good luck with the other 90%
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02:14<aussa>chealer: hahah ty
02:14<aussa>wols: ok so I just install all of them...
02:14*iph0ne wonders what aussas issue is
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02:17<wols>aussa: simply install the nvidia-dkms module
02:17<wols>!tell aussa about nvidia dkms
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02:29<aussa>wols: OK, I installed nvidia-dkms, had to install nvidia-support, nvidia-installer-cleanup and nvidia-kernel-common :S
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02:33<wols>and now read the factoid again
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02:37<aussa>wols: ok sorry about this, but what is the factoid?
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02:42<wols>dpkg sent you a message
02:42<dpkg>wols: bugger all, i dunno
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02:42<iph0ne>funny thing, wols uses internet with almost no security, chances are its not even his. wols ima smack your internal just for lulz
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02:48<robbiethe1st>Ok guys. So, I've heard that zfs is a great filesysten for mass storage of data, but that it wasn't available on debian and I should go for FreeNAS for my server instead. But what about this?
02:48<robbiethe1st>Is that a good solution for zfs on debian?
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03:20<deavid>if i've copied a ext3 partition of 200Mb (with dd) onto another computer inside a partition of 2Gb, "parted" reports 2Gb of space but "df" reports 200Mb. There's any way to "expand" the ext3 partition so it takes the whole space?
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03:21<wols>deavid: resize2fs
03:21<iph0ne> #HACKING-ROOM
03:21<iph0ne>join my room
03:22<wols>!ops iph0ne is threatening to hack people and spamming
03:22<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols complains about: iph0ne is threatening to hack people and spamming
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05:40<mff>g'day every one.
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05:44<yorua007>open debian-apt
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05:50<_Qman>I am wondering if there is a way with nfs3 to mount a share as RO for users not defined on the client side?
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06:21<jaco>i have a problem with dual monitor...
06:21<jaco>how can i restore the original settings of randr
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06:52<rpetre>_Qman: i think you can export that share as readonly for all network and rw for specific clients
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06:53<rpetre>man 5 exports should define the behaviour
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06:56<_Qman>rpetre: yes I did that, but the problem is I get a access deny cause the gid and uid do not exist on that server
06:56<_Qman>I was wondering if there is an easy way to go around that
06:57<_Qman>it is so that apache can read data from the mounted storage, I am not sure adding www-data in the group would be the safest thing to do
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06:59<mff>what irc-client is the one to use now? :)
06:59<petemc>thats a matter of opinion
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06:59<mff>ok, did use bitchx befor, but i noticed i cant get it with apt-get install any more..
07:00<OpenTokix>and my opinion is irssi
07:00<petemc>irssi and weechat are popular
07:00<petemc>12:00 Irssi uptime: 402d 1h 36m 15s
07:00<mff>ok, i test them, thnx.. :)
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07:07<jaco>need help
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07:22<Myon>jaco: ask question
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07:24<jaco>what problem im having if i have dual monitor working?
07:24<jaco>i cant reconfigure it
07:24<kmz>depends on which video driver you're using and in which configuration
07:25<jaco>the driver is readons
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07:26<jaco>and the configuratioon is very simple: i only tried with console
07:26<kmz>do you have it configured as big desktop or separate X screens?
07:26<jaco>separate x screens
07:26<jaco>i wanna big desktop
07:28<jaco>i used xrandr to
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07:28<jaco>configure it
07:30<jaco>when i
07:30<jaco>put it as dual monitor
07:31<jaco>why i get an error tring to separate them?
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07:38<jaco>sorry for my bad english
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07:41<kmz>jaco, which error do you get?
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07:45<jaco>single screen everytime
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07:55<jaco>i put in a shell: xrandr --auto, ththe screen is always like you said before........ even when restart my computer
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07:58<kmz>I guess auto isn't what you really need
07:59<kmz>maybe it's a good idea to read `man xrandr` ;)
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08:08<onryo>Where should I compile a user program. Is it still in /opt in deb or in /usr/share ?
08:09<onryo>old school is /opt
08:09<lindi->onryo: if you make a package then /usr is just fine
08:09<lindi->onryo: if you don't make a package then /opt or /usr/local
08:10<onryo>thx lindi using DDD to get to the bottom of this IW bug.
08:10<onryo>got to roll and thx once again.
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08:13<jaimon>i am facing a problem when whenever install a bz2 package it shows make*** no target file specified
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08:15<jaco_>what do i have to configure to get the --output instead of --auto
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08:21<jaco_>sorry, do i have to getting configured --output instead of --auto?
08:22<jaco_>--pos <x>x<y>¿¿
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08:23<jaimon>after ./configure i can't use make
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08:27<bluenemo>i've been looking for a suitable file browser / manager for years but i havent really found one. the one i actually like most is nautilus (i'm using dolphin at the moment), xfe was also nice.. is it possible to install nautilus without shooting the whole system? i mean i just want the file manager, not the wallpaper thing, not the whole gnome stuff actually
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08:31<jww_>I wish to find the encoding of some html files, I tried using file or enca command but they don't show the encoding, what could be wrong ?
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08:38<ayaka>hello babilen I'm using meego,can I ask you few question about english
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08:38<ayaka>I'm sorry
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08:52<afuentes>Im upgrading a few debian servers. The original mantainers are missing. When i make a diff of the conf files its hard for me to tell what changes are made by the package mantainer and witch ones are from the old admin. Im thinking of doing a diff to 3 files (original conf - modified conf - new conf) Is there an easy way to do this or at least to be able to easy pull from the servers the original conf? (i can find the package and path with dpkg -L and
08:54<daemonkeeper>Debian does not overwrite configuration files you modified. This means, every file you, or your predecessor ever touched are kept as is.
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08:55<afuentes>daemonkeeper, yep. I can do a diff of those two files
08:56<daemonkeeper>Which two?
08:56<afuentes>the thing is the original admin is missing, so i cannot tell apart oritinal admin changes from package mantainer changes
08:56<afuentes>the file the server is currently using (with stuff modified from original admin) and the new conf file from pkg mantainer
08:58<daemonkeeper>You can manually compare conffiles, but that's about it.
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09:02<afuentes>daemonkeeper, is there a way to pull a single file from a package?
09:03<Myon>closest is dpkg-deb -x
09:04<daemonkeeper>Yes, or dpkg-source -x which basically wraps around dpkg-deb
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09:04<daemonkeeper>Oh, --fsys-tarfile archive Extracts the filesystem tree data from a binary package and sends it to standard output in tar format. Together with tar(1) this can be used to extract a particular file from a package archive. <- may be helpful
09:05<afuentes>thanks! ill try that
09:05<daemonkeeper>Myon: err, right. I was thinkink of a source package now.
09:05<afuentes>well, conf files must be about the same in source and bin, dont they?
09:05<daemonkeeper>For you its the binary package which matters
09:06<Myon>they are often build from templates and named differently
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09:06<Myon>it's probably much faster to use the binary packages
09:06<daemonkeeper>In the source package the conffile may be generated at build time as Myon says.
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09:06<Myon>(some packages generate configs at install time. but these don't generate these dpkg questions)
09:07<daemonkeeper>Technically they aren't conffiles :>
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09:07<afuentes>well, ill try to generate some script...
09:07<afuentes>and try to upload to debian lol
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09:07<afuentes>this should be useful if you dont know the system you are upgrading
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09:08<Myon>have you tried diff3, btw?
09:09<afuentes>well, ive tried vimdiff file1 file2 file 3
09:09<Myon>that might be the same, yes
09:09<afuentes>it should be similiar
09:09<afuentes>well, ill try to do it
09:10<afuentes>wish me luck because there are a lot of services and lots of virtual machines
09:10<afuentes>hell cant be like this
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09:16<f0rk>hi, does anyone know of an analog of rpm -V for debian?
09:16<Myon>what does it do?
09:18<jaco_>to change the screen to normal view?i have one big screen
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09:20<Myon>f0rk: debsums
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09:20<f0rk>Myon: danke
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09:22<mosno>although rpm also has the concept of a verification script
09:22<mosno>in addition to checksum matching
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09:28<f0rk>mosno: oh? got a link by chance?
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09:29<mosno>f0rk: uh... you already pasted it :)
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09:29<f0rk>well I meant more about how they work not that they exits :)
09:30<f0rk>exist, even
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09:30*f0rk should jfgi
09:30<mosno>f0rk: read up on the parts of the manual that tell you how to create rpms. fedora have good doco. afaik, it's just an arbitrary shell script
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09:31<mosno>eg. foo() && bar() && exit 1
09:31<f0rk>ah, I'll poke around there, thanks
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09:34<jaco_>to make an app recently installed to run inmediatly?
09:35<abrotman>just run it
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09:36<jaco_>to reset or edit the monitor settings
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09:47<dijz>Hi, I get debian-, I burn by wodim speed=4 -eject dev=/dev/sr0 debian- And now I cannot install debian because I get kernel panic... How burn fine? I try reinstall in this same pc I are right now using for chating here
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09:49<dijz>help me please!
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09:50<dijz>How I can complety reinstall debian squeeze without cd?
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09:51<dijz>How I can burn bootable CD by wodim?
09:51<chealer>djj: do you have a desktop environment?
09:51<chealer>djj: there are several installation methods that do not use optical discs; see the installation guide
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09:52<dijz>chealer, yes
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09:53<momolee>can anyone help me with how I can crack my wireless network(for educational purposes) the software i need and any other usefull info
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09:55<lamby_>you will need a hammer. and some elbow grease
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09:55<chealer>djj: do you know K3b?
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09:59<abrotman>!burn iso
09:59<dijz>chealer, boot by network are complex
09:59<dpkg>[burniso] "wodim foo.iso". See also <check iso image>.
10:00<abrotman>dijz: that said .. the image has to be bootable
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10:01<dijz>abrotman, I get menu with install, graphic install, but after select one, I get kernel panic (about my CD)
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10:01<dzoni>need help: i have installed debian squeeze on my lenovo g570 laptop with amd radeon hd 6300 graphic card and i install driver from amd official page my debian don't want to boot and i'm stuck with recovery mode i just one switch to integret graphic card or find solution for amd radeon.any idea?
10:01<momolee>dijz: what's your problem? maybe I can help
10:01<dijz>chealer, I have gnome, not Kde
10:01<abrotman>try brasero
10:02<dijz>abrotman, nice, i will try
10:02<chealer>dijz: GNOME must have a burning application too, in any case you can install K3b
10:02<dijz>momolee, I get debian-, I burn by wodim speed=4 -eject dev=/dev/sr0 debian- And now I cannot install debian because I get kernel panic... How burn fine? I try reinstall in this same pc I are right now using for chating here
10:02<chealer>dijz: there are other methods than ODs and network, such as USB sticks
10:03<dijz>what there ano not package for this?
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10:05<momolee>dijz: so the cd can't boot I assume. ok have you tried burning the cd with the following command "cdrecord -v debian-" the -v parrameter is for checking the writing progress
10:06<dijz>momolee, chealer abrotman thanks, I use another CD I will try now, see you later
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10:07<abrotman>momolee: eh .. wodim is cdrecord in Debian
10:07<momolee>dijz: the best hey, but don't you have a usb flash or external harddrive?
10:09<momolee>abrotman: oh thanks I didn't know but that's what I use to burn my isos though and they all boot well
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10:11<dpkg>wodim ("write optical disk media") is a <DFSG> compliant fork of <cdrecord>, part of <cdrkit> and found in the wodim package. See for the release notice. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab.
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10:13<egoga>I have a question about debian
10:14<egoga>I recently tried installing CentOS's Redhat-fsb version 4.0, since no version of Debian had lsb v 4.0 (only 3.2)
10:14<egoga>It messed up my system and I can't boot
10:14<egoga>how can I restore it back to lsb 3.2 with a live CD
10:14<abrotman>are you asking us about centos or debian ?
10:14<egoga>I'm asking about Debian, that's why I came to a Debian channel
10:15<egoga>I installed from an SRPM called redhat-lsb-4.0-2.el5.src.rpm
10:15<abrotman>ugh .. ew
10:15<egoga>Since Debian's lsb was only 3.2 and I couldn't find the source code elsewhere
10:15<egoga>Now my /etc/rc.2 files boot with 4.0 and it doesn't boot up correctly
10:15<abrotman>did you try to reinstall lsb-base or lsb-release ?
10:15<grove>egoga: You've probably screwed your system beyond repair
10:16<egoga>First of all, what is lsb (Linux System Base)? I was installing v4.0 so I could use the GoogleEarth instlaler since it required v4.0
10:16<egoga>I can't reinstall because I can't boot up
10:16<abrotman>wait . you don't know what LSB is .. and you installed it from another system ?
10:16<abrotman>egoga: get a rescue CD
10:16<egoga>I have a Knoppix Live CD
10:16<abrotman>judd: versions lsb-base
10:16<judd>Package lsb-base on i386 -- lenny: 3.2-20; squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2-27; sid: 3.2-28
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10:16<egoga>see what I mean, it needs 4.0 to install, no version of Deabin has 4.0
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10:17<egoga>try downloading GoogleEarthLinux.bin from and see for yourself
10:17<grove>Your not going to make any debian system lsb 4.0 compliant
10:17<abrotman>why? there's a googleearth package in Debian
10:17<egoga>is the googleearth package v6.0.3?
10:17<egoga>judd: versions googleearth
10:17<judd>Sorry, no package named 'googleearth' was found in i386.
10:17<egoga>I thought so
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10:18<Black_Prince>Google Earth has debian packages ... and even the repository. Why such complications?
10:18<egoga>Basically, what can I do to fix my system? Is there a way to use dpkg -i to install the old lsb
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10:18<egoga>by aking /media/hdc5 my root install dir
10:18<Black_Prince>Depends: lsb-core (>= 3.2)
10:18<grove>There is a googleeartch package on this squeeze box, so it's probably just not in i386
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10:19<dzoni> need help: i have installed debian squeeze on my lenovo g570 laptop with amd radeon hd 6300 graphic card and i install driver from amd official page my debian don't want to boot and i'm stuck with recovery mode i just one switch to integret graphic card or find solution for amd radeon.any idea?
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10:19<grove>Anyone remember how to specify an architecture when you ask judd?
10:19<egoga>Besid3es googleearht, how can I fix my system once I boot up my live CD and mount the HD
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10:19<Black_Prince>grove, --arch
10:20<grove>judd: version googleearth --arch amd64
10:20<grove>judd: versions googleearth --arch amd64
10:20<judd>Sorry, no package named 'googleearth' was found in amd64.
10:20<grove>judd: versions googleearth-package --arch amd64
10:20<judd>Package googleearth-package on amd64 -- lenny/contrib: 0.5.4; sid/contrib: 0.6.1; squeeze/contrib: 0.6.1; wheezy/contrib: 0.6.1
10:21<egoga>judd: versions googleearth-package on i686
10:21<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <squeeze>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
10:21<egoga>judd: versions googleearth-package on i286
10:21<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <squeeze>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
10:21<egoga>judd: versions googleearth-package on i386
10:21<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <squeeze>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
10:21<Black_Prince>eoga stop it
10:21<Black_Prince>egoga, stop it
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10:21<Black_Prince>Or be banned :/
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10:28<sebastia1>bb :)
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10:31<ima>I am still unable to install nvidia-glx in unstable
10:32<Black_Prince>API mismatch ...
10:32<Black_Prince>or ABI ... whatever
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10:33<ima>No, I did get that at first, but then after another update it removed nvidia-glx, I didn't pay enough attention and let it. nvidia-glx is not installable due to missing dependencies
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10:35<jhutchins_lt>ima: What part of "unstable" didn't you understand?
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10:36<ima>I do understand it, I just want to know if there's some way I can get back to an older version available prior to the update
10:37<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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10:37<ima>Thank you :)
10:38<anbe>ima, you'll have to use the Xorg Xserver from testing (1.10.x) not unstable (1.11.0) to use nvidia driver - upstream does not yet support the new one
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10:43<jhutchins_lt>ima: Restore your backups. You make a backup every time you update unstable, because updates break unstable, right?
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10:45<Black_Prince>or don't use unstable at all ... use testing instead.
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10:47<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Well, same rule applies. Updates will break testing.
10:47<Black_Prince>I don't think that would happen with testing
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10:48<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Sure, happens all the time.
10:48<Black_Prince>and one can always pin specific packages from unstable if necesary ...
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10:50<ima>Oh well, lesson learned
10:50<lancelot_of>hi there
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10:51<lancelot_of>how to simply change fonts in grub?i tried with no success this way:
10:51<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Yes, but one doesn't know that until SPARK! ZAP! Fssssssssssssss.
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10:53<Black_Prince>Yeah ... Shortest way to hell.
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10:53<Black_Prince>Just do it as it asks ... But never ask yourself if is it safe or whatever :-|
10:53<lamby_>on slackware there's a cool command called setadpu.. that allows you to revert
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10:58<ima>I'll just use the binary blob till it gets fixe
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10:58<ima>Thank you for the support
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11:04<lancelot_of>i fallen did i miss anything?
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11:08<lamby_>lancelot_of: the end of life as we know it
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11:09<daemonkeeper>lamby_: Is it december 2012 already?
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11:17<lamby_>daemonkeeper: yup. 21st dec.
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11:20<lancelot_of>no suggestion for me?
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11:41<vichy>hello everyone
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11:46*lamby_ loves dselect
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11:46<lamby_>sorry about that, wrong window ;-)
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11:49<vichy>What the hell is gtk-gnash?
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11:51<daemonkeeper>A Flash replacement
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11:53<jhutchins_lt>vichy: A poor attempt to reverse-engineer Adobe Flash Player which is usually at least one version behind if it works at all.
11:54<vichy>Sadly it works terrible
11:54<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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11:55<petemc>you could say the same about adobe flash
11:55<matsp888>at least in linux
11:55<petemc>ime, on every platform
11:55<matsp888>well, to some extent
11:55<sney>we'll all be happier once html5 takes over
11:55<matsp888>works better in windows, in my book
11:55<petemc>it turns my macbook into a heat generating device
11:56<petemc>devours my phones battery
11:56<matsp888>i have already converted my humble pages to html5
11:56<daemonkeeper>sney: Except no one agrees on supported algorithms for video decoding
11:56<sney>eh, that happens every time. the dominant standard will become clear through usage
11:56<jhutchins_lt>adobe flash at least plays flash videos, however well. It works fine in 32b, and I have not seen problem reports for 64b in a while.
11:57<daemonkeeper>sney: i.e. the one, Microsoft chooses?
11:57<matsp888>i was about to say that daemonkeeper
11:57<matsp888>on the video decoding
11:58<sney>you mean how windows media was/is the dominant standard for internet videos? have I fallen into a parallel universe or something?
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11:58<matsp888>it's a cpu hog, though
11:58<matsp888>flash, that is
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11:59<matsp888>at least on my machines
11:59<sney>because it doesn't take advantage of mpeg decoding hardware
11:59<matsp888>anyway, it works
11:59<matsp888>maybe so
11:59<sney>anyway, this is a discussion for #debian-offtopic
11:59<matsp888>but compare it to mplayer.... it is very lean on cpu resources
11:59<matsp888>and it doesn't use any h/w mpeg decoding on my box at least
11:59<daemonkeeper>sney: Well, but the opinion of the company which produces the operating system and browser for 98% of all users matters. Whether that company is a relevant factor in Internet standardization or not, is not relevant there.
12:01<matsp888>good point
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12:01<matsp888>sad, but true
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12:11<vichy>I am little bit stuck here. How to install adobe flash player?
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12:11<daemonkeeper>!adobe flash
12:11<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
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12:21<vichy>It is still too complicated
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12:25<stomanata>somebody free to help me with mount
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12:25<jlarson>what's up stomanata?
12:25<stomanata>general problem is with ntfs partition, and other partitions also
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12:26<stomanata>i want on every startup my partitions to be auto mounted
12:26<stomanata>and to have read/wirte acc with my user
12:26<stomanata>now i`ll show my fstab
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12:27<jlarson>you have not yet tried to add the nfs mount to fstab then?
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12:29<stomanata>/dev/sda1 /rack1 ntfs-3g rw 0 0 this is that i add, but don`t work...
12:29<jlarson>ah sorry, i misred, though you were doing nfs
12:30<jlarson>ok, does it not get mounted at all then?
12:31<vichy>Thank you daemonkeeper for help
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12:31<fir31ight>can anyone argue the point why I _shouldn't_ use UTC as my timezone for servers?
12:33<daemonkeeper>fir31ight: localization problems.
12:33<jlarson>as long as no applications require localtime to be correct there is nothing wrong with using UTC
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12:34<fir31ight>daemonkeeper: how about routers/firewalls?
12:35<daemonkeeper>fir31ight: Unless you run some applications which depend on the local time (typically web application scripts), the time does not matter.
12:35<jhutchins_lt>Timezones are for humans. Machines don't care. Humans smart enough to make the calculations can choose not to care as well.
12:36<jhutchins_lt>Is the Space Station on Houston time or Baikonour?
12:37<fir31ight>when you looking at logs from gloabl systems it become a pain in my ass
12:37<daemonkeeper>Anyway, the time /does/ matter, not its particular time zone, but especially on a firewall you erely on pluasible logs.
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12:38<fir31ight>just looking for discussion, as i have pondered this
12:38<fir31ight>suppost i should move to !chat
12:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, chat is what we do in #debian-offtopic
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12:41<vichy>jhustchins_lt what does that "lt" mean? Leitenant?
12:42<daemonkeeper>vichy: see fir31ight -^
12:43<vichy>Oh, I am sorry
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12:45<jhutchins_lt>vichy: laptop
12:46<jhutchins_lt>Currently there's me, me-work, me-laptop, and me-mac.
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12:54<wols>and I thought MPD was a myth...
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12:57<vipinb>Hi all, Is there any way to watch video from in debian
12:57<Nik05>hello guys, how can i unmount a usb completly?
12:58<Nik05>cause the green light on my usb is still burning...
12:58<Nik05>in windows it stops i think...
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12:58<jlarson>if it is not listed when you run the 'mount' command, it is safe to remove
12:58<Nik05>and if i want to format my usb should i use mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb or sdb1?
12:59<lindi->Nik05: what are you doing with it?
12:59<jlarson>you should use the full path and specify the partition: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
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12:59<Nik05>and what happens if i do /dev/sdb?
13:00<kop>Nik05: Then your drive has a filesystem but no partitions.
13:00<jlarson>it will format the device as ext3 without using a partition table
13:00<Nik05>ok coo
13:00<Nik05>and how do i create a partition? :P
13:01<jlarson>use cfdisk for cli, or use gparted for gui
13:01<kop>Nik05: fdisk or cfdisk or parted or gparted....
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13:01<lindi->Nik05: again, what are you planning to use the drive for?
13:01<Nik05>installing debian...
13:01<lindi->Nik05: then let the installer do this
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13:01<jlarson>use unetbootin to create a bootable thumbdrive
13:01<Nik05>oh but i want to learn...
13:02<kop>Nik05: But it's often best to leave the stick with the partition table with which it comes because otherwise I can't figure out how to make such a stick bootable.
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13:02<jlarson>i don't think you could make it bootable
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13:02<kop>Nik05: You really want to just copy the installer image to the stick like it says in the install guide. (The install guide is your friend.)
13:03<Nik05>should i use something like debian.iso > /dev/sdb1 ?
13:03<jlarson>that does not seem to work
13:03<Nik05>cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb1
13:03<jlarson>at least not in my experience
13:03<Nik05>oh wait no not that one
13:03<Nik05>euh the image.iso one
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13:04<jlarson>it will not be bootable as far as i know
13:04<jlarson>it will have the data on it though
13:04<Nik05>so cat image.iso > /dev/sdb1 && mount /deb/sdb1 /mnt && cp debian.iso /mnt/debian.iso
13:04<Nik05>something like that?
13:04<kop>Nik05: You want to use dd: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb
13:04<kop>Nik05: See the install guide.
13:04<Nik05>ah ok :P
13:05<kop>Nik05: Note that the dd trashes your existing partition table so it'd make sense to back it up first!
13:05<Zaba>(and all the data, too)
13:05<Nik05>and what partion table type does it use?
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13:06<Nik05>sorry want to learn something about linux... :P
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13:07<jlarson>something i'd like to mention, is one should be very cautious when outputting cat or dd to a disk device. be absolutely certain of the device you're writing to
13:08<jlarson>there will be no gentle reminders that you are about to destroy data
13:08<lindi->the whole idea of using "sdb" is quite bad :)
13:08<lindi->in this dynamic age of device naming
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13:08<Nik05>im sure its sdb and i know i destroy data :P
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13:09<jlarson>i only mention it because i once learned the hard way ;) and i'd rather others not make the same mistake
13:09<jlarson>it's painful
13:10<Zaba>that's the -easy- way of learning it. Triple-checking things and making the mistake anyway is what'd be considered -hard- :P
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13:16<user>What's the channel for packages please?
13:16<user>nvm found it :)
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13:20<Nik05>why is my partition not starting at cylinder 1 but at 2048?
13:21<Freddy105>I all I need help creating a bridge
13:21<Freddy105>I did as seen on this link:
13:21<Freddy105>now when I reboot the system it hangs on statd and the it fails
13:21<Freddy105>any ideia?
13:22<jlarson>Nik05: run the following: /sbin/sfdisk -l /dev/yourdevice
13:22<jlarson>and do a pastebin of the output
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13:24<Nik05>did i fucked it up? :P
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13:27<Juanma>K tarr chav eaa
13:27<Juanma>esto k ess
13:27<Juanma>noo meee veass chaaaavall
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13:32<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, if I am getting disk access errors on ata10, how can I establish which device / SATA controller is responsible?
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13:35<ComradeHaz`>!last luth ata%sd
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13:39<wols>ComradeHaz`: check your dmesg output?
13:40<ComradeHaz`>ah, that seems to help!
13:40<ComradeHaz`>always forget about dmesg and go straight to syslog
13:40<ComradeHaz`>How would you describe the distinction between those two, by the way?
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13:42<Nik05>wtf my partition on my usb is ext3 (i hope so cause i used mkfs.ext3)
13:42<Nik05>and i just mounted the partition with mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
13:42<Nik05>and when i use mount to see mounted partitions it says:
13:42<Nik05>/dev/sdb1 on /mnt type vfat (rw)
13:42<Nik05>how is that possible?
13:43<koollman>you did mkfs on another partition ?
13:43<koollman>file -s /dev/sdb1
13:43<koollman>what's the output of that ?
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13:44<Nik05>ooh wait so dd if=bla of=/deb/sdb1 changed it to fat...
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13:44<koollman>you used dd ?
13:44<Nik05>/dev/sdb1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "SYSLINUX", sectors/cluster 8, root entries 512, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/FAT 240, heads 64, sectors 489472 (volumes > 32 MB) , serial number 0xdeb00001, label: "Debian Inst", FAT (16 bit)
13:44<Nik05>yes... :p
13:44<koollman>is there a reason for that ? :)
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13:44<Nik05>euh someone here said that... :P
13:45<Nik05>kop did...
13:45<jlarson>when you run that dd command, i believe you want to specify the device, and not a particular partition, correct me if i'm wrong kop
13:45<Nik05>wait brb
13:45<wols>Nik05: yes, overwriting a whole partition with dd might change its filesystem. and it certainly deletes ALL data on that partition
13:46<Nik05>i know it deletes data... -_-
13:46<Nik05>so if i use dd i should use of=/dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1?
13:46<wols>then what is your problem?
13:46<jlarson>i believe so
13:46<koollman>Nik05: why do you want to use dd in the first place ?
13:46<Nik05>euh why did dd change it to fat? :p
13:47<Nik05>dont know...
13:47<wols>depends what you actually want to do. and sdb will rewrite the whole disk not just a partition
13:47<koollman>Nik05: well, don't use it, then.
13:47<jlarson>because whatever image you wrote to it was a fat filesystem
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13:47<Nik05>koollman what should i use?
13:47<wols>cause the "blah" file you dd'ed over is a fat filesystem
13:47<Nik05>just cat bla.img > /dev/sdb1?
13:47<koollman>Nik05: what do you want to do ?
13:47<wols>!wayttd Nik05
13:47<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Nik05?
13:47<jlarson>i told you before to use unetbootin to make a bootable thumbdrive, you really should use that
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13:47<Nik05>i want to write an image to usb koollman :P
13:48<wols>Nik05: what is the content of that image?
13:48<koollman>right. so mkfs isn't needed, look at whatever documentation comes with the image. dd might be the good choice, and you probably want to write to /dev/sdb directly
13:48<Nik05>boot.img thats the one :p
13:49<wols>Nik05: why do you want to put that on a usb stick?
13:49<jlarson>you'd dd it right to the device
13:49<koollman>wonderful. so there *is* documentation to read, too :)
13:49<jlarson>rather than a particular partition
13:49<wols>Nik05: you want the netinst iso normally, not hdmedia
13:49<__Alex_>Nik05: You can just dd the mini.iso
13:49<jlarson>he is in the right place i believe
13:49<jlarson>if he just does dd to a regular iso image, it will not be bootable
13:49<Nik05>and i dont need boot.img?
13:50<jlarson>i believe this img is a bootable image
13:50<wols>jlarson: you are wrong
13:50<wols>!hybrid image
13:50<dpkg>The Debian 6.0/Squeeze installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <businesscard>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>.
13:50<Nik05>oh ok :P
13:50<__Alex_>so download this and dd it to your stick:
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13:50<Nik05>so i just do cat business.iso > /deb/sdb1?
13:50<wols>Nik05: you don't want the "mini.iso" either. you want the netinst.iso which is around 180MB or so
13:50<jlarson>wow, i wasn't aware this had changed, thanks wols
13:51<wols>Nik05: are you sure the businesscard iso will work for you?
13:51<Nik05>yes why not?
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13:51<Nik05>its small...
13:51<__Alex_>I use the mini.iso
13:51<__Alex_>It's even smaller
13:51<wols>cause it MUST have a network connection when installing, the netinst iso instead can install a full debian without any network access
13:52<lindi->well depends on what "full" means
13:52<wols>so you can use the businesscard iso ONLY if you know that you can access the internet while instaling, including having all necessary drivers and such
13:52<lindi->maybe s/full/bootable/
13:53<Nik05>ok i just did cat bla.iso > /deb/sdb1 and now it says
13:53<Nik05>/dev/sdb1 on /mnt type iso9660 (ro)
13:53<Nik05>iso9660 what the hack is that...
13:53<__Alex_>That's good
13:53<wols>haven't you told not five minutes ago, NOT to dd it to sdb1?
13:53<__Alex_>It's the CD-FS
13:53<wols>*you been
13:54<Nik05>wols i just did cat bla.iso > so that not dd i gues...
13:54<__Alex_>You can now just put it in the comp you want and boot it
13:54<Nik05>ok cool
13:54<Nik05>let me try...
13:54<jlarson>you still need to write the data to the device, not to a partition
13:54<__Alex_>wols: It's supposed ti be iso9660
13:54<wols>Nik05: same thing.
13:54<wols>__Alex_: i know that it is
13:54<Nik05>huh jlarson what do you mean?
13:55<jlarson>Nik05: /dev/sdb1 is a partition, /dev/sdb is the device
13:55<__Alex_>You copied the ISO into a partition, you must overwrite the whole MBR
13:55<wols>Nik05: we mean that your "sdb1" stuff is wrong. and you've been told before
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13:55<Nik05>oh ok :)
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13:55<__Alex_>cat bla.iso>/dev/sdb
13:55<Nik05>but dont you put files in a partition?
13:56<__Alex_>But it needs to be bootable
13:56<jlarson>you do not need partitions for what you're doing
13:56<wols>Nik05: this is not a file. it's a filesystem. and no, in this case you don't
13:56<__Alex_>CDs don't have partitions
13:56<Nik05>oh ok...
13:56<Nik05>sorry im a noob :p
13:56<Nik05>how do i umount if the device is "busy"?
13:56<wols>__Alex_: he isn't writing it to a CD and isn't writing a CD image (at least the cd image won't be used)
13:57<Nik05>oh wait i was busy -_-
13:57<wols>and depending how his MBR is set up, it probably would even work what he's trying to do
13:57<wols>but it introduces another point of failure which is why he shouldn't do it
13:57<__Alex_>It will work, i promise
13:57<jlarson>you are probably in the directory where the filesystem is currently mounted, you need to cd somewhere else, then umount
13:57<__Alex_>Nik05: cd ..;umount /dev/sdb
13:58<Nik05>yes i did that alex :P
13:58<Nik05>was still in /mnt...
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14:03<vichy>another question. I have downloaded thunderbird and how to install it?
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14:04<jlarson>you can just untar/bzip it and run the thunderbird script
14:04<Bushmills>vichy: unpack it, then read the instructions
14:05<Bushmills>there's icedove, as debian package, btw
14:05<__Alex_>vichy: Debian has Thunderbird packed, no need to doenload a tarball, "aptitude install thunderbird"
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14:06<Bushmills>,versions thunderbird
14:06<judd>Sorry, no package named 'thunderbird' was found in i386.
14:06<__Alex_>s/"aptitude install thunderbird"/"aptitude install icedove"
14:06<__Alex_>It's named Icedove
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14:07<__Alex_>It got rebranded because of copyright issues
14:07<misha>hey, there is channel for nginx here?
14:08<Bushmills>"here", on #debian ??
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14:08<__Alex_>nigix? Who's that?
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14:10<misha>there is some channel here for web servers?
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14:19<tsquad1>can someone help me with my flash plugin D:
14:20<tsquad1>im unsure of what ftp site i need to add to the repo's
14:20<tsquad1>running squeeze
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14:22<Bushmills>contrib you'd need
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14:23<Bushmills>(for the flashplugin-nonfree, at least)
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14:24<tsquad1>ill add that, thanks
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14:25<Maiku>hi all
14:26<Maiku>could you advice me how to run two separate x desktops from different users using startx?
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14:27<lindi->Maiku: why do you want to use startx?
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14:27<Maiku>because I want light dm with switch user function
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14:28<Maiku>not so large as gdm/kdm
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14:28<lindi->Maiku: you want the same features but you want it light?
14:29<Maiku>yes, that's what I want
14:29<Maiku>especially that "switch user" function
14:29<Nemoder>startx -- :1
14:29<Maiku>that's why I can't use slim/xdm
14:30<lindi->Maiku: why do you want it light? ;)
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14:30<tsquad1>Bushmills: thanks alot for that, have been looking for that answer for days, it worked :D
14:30<Bushmills>no pain. was a no-brainer.
14:31<Maiku>lindi-, why should I spend a lot of disk space just to small piece of software? )
14:31<lindi->Maiku: because disk space is very cheap compared to developer time
14:31<tsquad1>lucky you x.x my linux brain is still growing
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14:32<Maiku>Nemoder, I get "Server is already active for display 0" message
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14:33<Nemoder>Maiku: strange, :1 should tell it to use display 1 instead of 0
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14:33<abrotman>why not just use gdm?
14:33<abrotman>or gdm3
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14:34<Maiku>Nemoder, yeah, it helps
14:34<Maiku>thanks a lot
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14:34<Maiku>abrotman, because it requires damn 50mb just for desktop manager
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14:34<abrotman>and your hard drive is only 1TB?
14:34<Maiku>I don't like to install many useless libraries just for those gnome dependencies
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14:35<lindi->Maiku: have fun building your custom desktop then :)
14:36<Maiku>lindi-, thanks, already done it
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14:59<wp>is there a better way of upgrading packages on multiple machines than manually doing so individually?
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15:00<jlarson>wp: pssh?
15:00<retrospectacus>for i in hosta hostb hostc ; do ssh $i apt-get upgrade; done :)
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15:04<koosha>I want to adopt an orphaned package. How should I upload the package with my name as the maintainer?!
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15:04<koosha>please help
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15:06<koosha>is there anybody who is not asleep?!!!!!
15:06<retrospectacus>we're here. You should probably ask in the mentors channel about that
15:06<dpkg>i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
15:06<ml|>koosha: #debian-mentors is a better place for what you want
15:06<koosha>thanks everybody
15:08<daemonkeeper>koosha: Short answer,
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15:12<abrotman>and also, thanks!
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15:13<lindi->koollman: what package is it? what is your name?
15:14<wp>did anyone else see strange characters in maum's quit message?
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15:16*jhutchins_lt blocks join/part messages.
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15:18<abrotman>wp: asian letters .. so what?
15:19<wp>abrotman: err, it was just that I saw them as boxes with letters and numbers in. bit weird
15:19<ansgar>wp: Missing fonts.
15:19<abrotman>wp: you're missing a font or encoding
15:19<wp>how to fix?
15:20<wp>im on a default squeeze setup. netinstall with basic packages. do i need to install some fonts?
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15:22<abrotman>do you read chinese often?
15:22<wp>abrotman: :)
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15:25<streuner_>some cool music ;-)
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15:25<Black_Prince>streuner_, when you mention it ... is there some software to stream from Debian to shoutcast?
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15:26<streuner_>Black_Prince: icecast or vlc?
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15:26<streuner_>oh wait, you menitoned shoutcast
15:26<Black_Prince>I could not find that in vlc ... I shall try icecast, but I think that icecast is different type of server ...
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15:27<streuner_>Black_Prince: shoutcast isnt free, but its a nice piece of software when it works :-)
15:28<Black_Prince>I know ... I am just asking a way to connect on shoutcast server from linux ...
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15:29<streuner_>Black_Prince: thats easy
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15:29<streuner_>Black_Prince: as client you are able to connect via xmms or mpg321
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15:29*Black_Prince bangs his head on the table
15:30<Black_Prince>Simple question: I want to be a DJ on shoutcast server. What software do I need to connect to shoutcast to be a Dj?
15:30<Black_Prince>Google says VLC can do it ... But none says how ...
15:31<Black_Prince>There is command line way, but that is not suitable for noobs .. .
15:31<ml|>mplayer works fine here
15:32<amarc>when will Lenny support end ?
15:32<streuner_>ml|: sure, but Black* needs to know how to *feed* his shoutcast server
15:32<wp>which reminds me. is there a debian linux way of streaming video and audio akin to apple tv and airport express via mac os / ios ?
15:32<streuner_>amarc: usually after one year next release is out (squeeze)
15:32<ml|>oh, thought he wanted a player; ftw, cvlc works too
15:32<wp>i want to replace my closed standards way of home streaming to one that uses open protocols
15:33<Black_Prince>Every player that supports url playing can play shoutcast ... Even totem and rhythmbox
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15:34<wp>Black_Prince: was that for me?
15:35<Black_Prince>OpenTokix, I don't see anything about streaming to shoutcast ... Just icecast ... which != shoutcast.
15:35<Black_Prince>Nevermind ... Forget that
15:36<streuner_>shoutcast isnt in Debian, just search for a forum or channel
15:36<streuner_>most of us dont have much experience with shoutcast, because it isnt in Debian
15:37<Black_Prince>95% of companies use shoutcast servers for selling ...
15:37<Black_Prince>So it isn't a great thing for a Dj to use GNU/Linux in general ...
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15:38<streuner_>true, but you prolly dont have much luck to find someone here, who is able to help.
15:40<streuner_>Black_Prince: and besides most of them using shoutcast on linux
15:40<jhutchins_lt>A HUGE amount o streaming is done with Windows Media Server.
15:40<Black_Prince>shoutcast server ... But you need windows client like winamp or sam broadcaster to feed it with music :/
15:40<streuner_>oh well, most of the streams i got, are from Linux servers :-P
15:41<OpenTokix>Black_Prince: seems to be a plugin for rythmbox
15:41<Black_Prince>I'd wonder if they weren't from HURD servers ...
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15:45<streuner_>Black_Prince: lots of infos
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15:46<Black_Prince>Nothing that would help me
15:46<Black_Prince>I told before, forget this topic ...
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15:51<ballison>can anyone tell me what these error messages mean?
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15:52<ballison>anyone? i can show you what lspci says as well..
15:53<streuner_>in what context?
15:54<streuner_>ballison: these error message make no sense to me at all
15:54<ballison>here's this is with the lspci -->
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15:54<ballison>i have no idea. it's just showing up in syslog
15:54<ballison>and i'm trying to figure out what it means.
15:54<ballison>it's something about the PCI bus...
15:54<ballison>for all the ports
15:54<streuner_>what kind of problem do you want to solve?
15:55<ballison>does that mean the motherboard is going bad?
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15:56<ballison>steruner_: I have an error in syslog that i need to understand. that's the problem
15:56<ballison>it's about aer/acpi
15:56<ballison>because i have an error in syslog that i don't understand
15:56<ballison>and i want to know if that means my motherboard is going bad
15:56<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Have you fed it to google?
15:56<ballison>it says probe of _____pcie failed
15:57<ballison>no luck
15:57<streuner_>acpi? do you use a laptop?
15:57<streuner_>forget acpi, acpi has issues...
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15:58<streuner_>dpkg, acpi
15:58<dpkg>Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see See also <acpid>, <suspend>.
15:58<ballison>maybe they are just boot errors.
16:00<streuner_>ballison: you shouldnt care much about *ALL* log, Linux is very informative...
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16:00<jlarson>your motherboard just doesn't support the _OSC acpi control set. the driver should probably not log this
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16:01<jlarson>i found a number of sites that discuss this by searching via google
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16:12<amitz>how to grab "remote address" of ppp0 when connecting using wvdial? or I have no choice but to parse the wvdial display?
16:12<amitz>as a normal user.
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16:12<amitz>who happens to be in dip or dialout group if necessary.
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16:14<wols>you can parse the output of ifconfig. it's what the old ipmasq package did
16:15<amitz>ah, dang...ifconfig eh... I guess yet another sudo -_-
16:15<jlarson>you shouldn't have to be root to execute ifconfig
16:15<wols>amitz: no. just run /sbin/ifup
16:15<wols>run /sbin/ifconfig
16:16<amitz>oh, thanks. I never realized, it's just that no path for /sbin :-o
16:16<amitz>for normal user.
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16:17<wols>yes cause "permission denied" looks exactly the same as "command not found"
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16:18<amitz>oh...I laways assume that the lack of autocomplete means it magically know it can't run the app, i overestimate the shell :-p
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16:25<Black_Prince>amitz, is this maybe what you wanted? /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr' | awk '{print $2}' | sed 's/^.\{5\}//'
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16:27<amitz>Black_Prince: neat, thanks. I'll work on that for weird one like ppp
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16:33<debianrules>what does if [ -n "${1:-}" ] mean ????
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16:33<debianrules>I am concerned about the "${1:-}" part
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16:36<debianrules>what does if [ -n "${1:-}" ] mean ????
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16:37<Black_Prince>wrong channel ... try in #bash on freenode
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>!bash tutorial
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16:55<dpkg>A good reference guide to /bin/bash can be found at
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16:58<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: you mean ?
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: There's a bunch
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17:03<rpetre>i tend to recommend that one, it's way better than the dated adv. bash scripting guide from linuxdoc
17:03<rpetre>(which was the classic recommendation years ago)
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17:18<wp>bug in gnome-power-manager? seems to show battery indicator twice
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17:19<kusanagi>the Y keY stopped working... I have to press shift to use it... I rebooted the comp and changed keYboards and is still happening... in ttY1 it works fine.... anYbodY knows what could be happening??
17:20<wp>no one knows Y
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17:20<SeriousSam_>Hi there! Very very stupid question. How can I run loop right in console?
17:20<SeriousSam_>For example "for (()) loop"
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17:21<rpetre>kusanagi: maybe you remapped the 'y' key in gnome or whatever DE you use
17:21<Black_Prince>for x in a b c d ; do cp -rf $x / ; done
17:21<Black_Prince>would be an example
17:21<kusanagi>well plaYed, wp
17:22<kusanagi>rpetre, i did not do such thing... u.U how do I check that?
17:22<rpetre>kusanagi: check if it's the same in all apps(terminal, browser, other)
17:22<SeriousSam_>Thanks a lot
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17:23<kusanagi>rpetre, Yep, its gnome-wide... in all apps
17:23<rpetre>if it is, look into menu > system > preferences > keyboard shortcuts (if it's gnome)
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17:41<kusanagi>rpetre, all shortcuts seems ok... (well, i havent touched there, so i was not surprised :))
17:41<rpetre>kusanagi: in that case, i don'thave other ideas :/
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17:42<kusanagi>:'( thanks anYwarpetre
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18:27<since96>how are you, me lady
18:27<sney`>lady? where?
18:27<since96>between myself =)
18:27<since96>(sorry for my englis, i'm français)
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18:28<since96>i have a problem with device
18:28<since96>an isa card
18:28<since96>can you help me ?
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18:28<sney`>maybe, there is also #debian-fr for help en francais
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18:33<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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18:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:55<Malivon>Is anyone familiar with MySQL? I have to set it up for a class and need a little assistance. (prof doesn't have great office hours)
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19:56<funkyHat>Malivon: what's the problem?
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19:58<retrospectacus>Malivon: I'm sure a lot of us are quite familiar with mysql; please go ahead. If you need a real expert you could go to #mysql on the freenode network too.
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19:59<Malivon>We have to set up a server I believe and a few things need to be correct with the server: 1) It has to be in developer machine, it can only be a transactional database only, and has to have dss/olap.
20:00<Malivon>She hasn't really gone over how to set it up, she just expects us to be wizards :/
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20:13<Black_Prince>Malivon, I am not sure if this will help you, but take a look ... If it does not, try #mysql on freenode as retrospectacus suggested.
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20:16<Malivon>It's a start. Thanks :) Went from being in the dark to be shade heh
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21:36<hoodride>can someone help me change the login from green, please?
21:38<cacosapo>how can i install debian in netbook asus 1201t
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21:40<hoodride>I used "apt-get purge desktop-base" to get rid of the space-fun theme and now I cannot change the color (green) of the login window
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21:41<nik_>hi doods
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21:42<hoodride>hi nikl
21:42<hoodride>hi nik
21:42<nik_>I'm still having trouble with my network timeouts :(
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21:44<hoodride>sorry, nik, I am crap with network setups
21:44<jlarson>what's happening nik?
21:44<nik_>my connection just cuts out periodically, no matter if I'm on wireless or ethernet, only on this laptop, my other devices don't experience it
21:45<jlarson>how exactly does this manifest itself?
21:45<nik_>and it just recently started happening, it was fine until I think something updated but I'm not sure, it probably has to do with my card, it's a new one
21:45<hoodride>nik, I had a HP dv9220us (laptop) that would do that often
21:46<nik_>webpages dont load? the network icon does the "reconnecting" animation, and the network graph flatlines
21:46<jlarson>what sort of system? is this a laptop? do you know the ethernet chipset?
21:47<nik_>I know the card model, its a centrino advances 6205 N, it's a wheezy build on a laptop
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21:48<jlarson>ok, so that's the wireless adaptor, and you are also having trouble with your wired? what chip is that?
21:48<nik_>is it not the same?
21:49<nik_>Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
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21:49<nik_>I downgraded iwlwifi to stable, but it still happens
21:49<hoodride>nik, are you using DHCP? switch to a static setup with the wired connection and disable the wireless
21:50<jlarson>well, that shouldn't have anything to do with the wired...
21:50<jlarson>i'm having a difficult time understanding how you would have the same issue with both the wireless and the wired
21:50<nik_>okay so hook it up and disconnect from the wireless?
21:50<nik_>I'll give it a show
21:50<jlarson>the only common thing between the two, would be the router/ap
21:51<hoodride>anyone know how to change the color (green) of the login window
21:51<nik_>during the times it cuts out I can get internet on other wireless devices
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21:53<jlarson>sorry hoodride, i wouldn't know off the top of my head... why is your login screen green anyway? that's not default...
21:54<jlarson>it is gdm that provides the login screen, perhaps you could do some googling on gdm configuration
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21:56<nik_>okay well I can't even get internet access with just wired
21:56<jlarson>ah, so you don't have random disconnects when you're wired
21:56<jlarson>you just don't connect at all when you're wired
21:57<nik_>yeah :(
21:58<jlarson>ok, this makes a little more sense then. obviously the wireless package that you updated caused the breakage for you. perhaps you can grab the original version?
21:58<nik_>I can't really remember what the original version was
21:58<nik_>one sec
22:00<jlarson>looks like 0.28 is what's in the stable repo, is that what you've got?
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22:00<nik_>oh okay
22:00<nik_>I updated iwlwifi back to what it was before and now wired connects
22:00<nik_>changing to that made wired not work
22:00<nik_>I'm using
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22:01<jlarson>yeah, that's not what is in stable, so i'd expect problems
22:02<nik_>so...I can't use wired in stable but the connection cuts out in both
22:02<jlarson>i'm not sure how that affects your wired...
22:03<nik_>yeah me neither
22:03<jlarson>can you install 0.28?
22:03<nik_>well searching iwlagn returns that package
22:04<nik_>isn't iwlagn the wired driver?
22:04<jlarson>iwlagn doesn't return anything for me...
22:05<jlarson>what is the actual package name that you're installing?
22:05<jlarson>is it firmware-iwlwifi?
22:05<jlarson>i would see if you could install 0.28
22:06<nik_>I did that, that's what caused wired to not work
22:07<jlarson>so when you install 32, both work, but both randomly disconnect
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22:08<nik_>yeah 0.28 kills wired :(
22:09<jlarson>well, 0.33 is currently available, i guess you could try it... but i have extracted the package contents and there is no way this package alone could have any affect on your wired connection
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22:10<jlarson>it is just binary firmware files, it dumps them into /lib/firmware
22:10<jlarson>it really doesn't do anything other than that!
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22:10<jlarson>it doesn't even have any dependencies
22:11<harvey38>are these firmware updates referencing the wrong address?
22:12<nik_>why does 0.33 not show up as a new version in synaptic?
22:12<jlarson>not sure, but you can download it here:
22:13<jlarson>harvey38: i'm not sure what you mean by that
22:13<nik_>can someone paste me their sources list?
22:13<harvey38>I'll take a look
22:13<jlarson>i'm stable, so it wouldn't do you any good, didn't you say you were wheezy?
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22:14<nik_>I need to go to wheezy to get a graphics drivers to work
22:14<jlarson>i suspect you should have something like: deb wheezy main contrib non-free
22:15<jlarson>you can of course just grab the deb and use dpkg
22:15<nik_>yeah I did
22:15<nik_>I think my sources list is messed up
22:15<jlarson>any luck?
22:15<nik_>where is that located?
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22:18<nik_>by the way is there a way to make a package stop reminding me it has an update?
22:18<nik_>I hate the new version and I want the keep the old one
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22:19<jlarson>hmm... i'm not quite sure how you do that for a specific package. i always disable all the update alerts myself
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22:20<nik_>how do you do that?
22:21<nik_>I just want it to not show up in update manager anymore
22:21<jlarson>well, in synaptic, under the Package menu, you can select 'Lock Version'
22:21<nik_>yeah I did that
22:21<nik_>but it still shows up :(
22:21<jlarson>i uninstall update-notifier
22:22<jlarson>or disable it...
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22:22<nik_>how do I remove this annoying norification message thing
22:22<nik_>in my taskbar
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22:23<jlarson>just do dpkg -r update-notifier
22:23<jlarson>it will never bother you again
22:23<nik_>not that
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22:24<nik_>it's like a little envelope
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22:24<nik_>that tells me when something like my battery is not charging anymore
22:24<nik_>or i disconnect from a network
22:24<jlarson>hmm, not sure what that is off the top of my head
22:24<nik_>it might be a new thing
22:24<nik_>since I'm in wheezy
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22:25<jlarson>does it appear on the taskbar itself? or is it that popup right below the taskbar
22:25<nik_>its an icon in the taskbar
22:25<jlarson>perhaps that is the notification-daemon?
22:26<nik_>i think it's fixed
22:26<nik_>anyways I'm going to play a game
22:26<nik_>thanks for the help again
22:26<jlarson>really? the firmware fixed it?
22:26<nik_>it seems like it
22:26<nik_>it's not cutting out
22:26<nik_>and wired works on its own
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22:27<jlarson>well that's good news, glad it's working
22:27<nik_>I think :3
22:27<nik_>I'll come back if it doesn't dont worry about that
22:27<jlarson>hah, well if not, file a bug report with the maintainer haha, i couldn't possibly help any further
22:28<nik_>bye :)
22:28<jlarson>i'm signing off, later
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23:14<dpkg>i heard bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. #bash on and
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23:34<AtaraxiaRS>I asked for help correcting a mistake in the bash channel, and was referred back here. I executed this script: and now when I try to run a program (DreamDaemon) it shows the wrong directory path. I was just wondering what files to look for to edit the paths back to normal.
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23:40<retrospectacus>AtaraxiaRS: I hope your user is "foundation"? Make a pastebin of you executing this script and running Dreamthing
23:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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