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01:09<hagom>does somebody know how to install a 64 bits package on debian?
01:10<sney>if you have a 64-bit debian install it's just dpkg -i filename.deb
01:10<sney>if you have a 32-bit debian install then you can't, sorry
01:10<hagom>that is the problem
01:11<hagom>this is the output of uname -a
01:11<hagom>Linux hagom-desktop 3.0.4-64-bits #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 30 19:35:34 VET 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
01:11<hagom>that tells me that I have a 64 bits system
01:11<hagom>but, for example
01:12<hagom>I am trying to install libreoffice 64 bits packages
01:12<hagom>but dpkg tells me that I have a 32 bits system
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01:13<hagom>it tells me that my architechture is i686
01:13<sney>hagom: then what you have is a multiarch install. that looks like a custom built kernel, I don't know if you built it yourself or downloaded it from somewhere, but that's not a Debian version string
01:13<sney>as long as you have an amd64 cpu, you can install an amd64 kernel, regardless of whether the rest of the system is 32 or 64 bit
01:14<hagom>I built it myself
01:14<hagom>I have a intel core 2 duo cpu
01:14<sney>and you still have a 32-bit system. if you want to install 64-bit libreoffice, then you'll need to install debian amd64
01:15<hagom>but I don't get it, I built a 64 bit kernel why am I still having a 32 bits system?
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01:16<hagom>I'd check on google and every website tells me the same thing that if appears x86_64 whit uname -a then I have a 64 bits system
01:16<sney>because you didn't rebuild your whole OS.
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01:17<hagom>then in that case, how can I do so?
01:17<sney>having a 64-bit kernel and a 32-bit userland is actually recommended on some setups because it's faster than having everything be 64-bit, though I don't think that's true for x86_64
01:17<sney>install debian amd64, or just use 32-bit apps
01:18<hagom>but it is not the same installing a 64 bit kernel?
01:18<sney>not the same.
01:19<sney>file `which bash`
01:20<zykotick9>hagom, i don't know if this will help you, but it's "like" you have 64bit Linux with 32bit GNU right now.
01:20<sney>run that, it'll show you that bash is a 32-bit executable. try it on any other application you have installed, and it'll say the same. you would need to rebuild every single one of them to "switch" to 64-bit... it's much, much easier to just back up your data and reinstall a full amd64 system
01:21<hagom>ok, so by reinstall you mean erase all the partitions that I have on my hdd?
01:21<hagom>or can I just reinstall on /?
01:22<sney>you can just reinstall on / as long as /usr /var aren't on separate partitions
01:22<sney>if you have /home separate you can leave it
01:22<hagom>my partitions are / , /home
01:22<hagom>that's it
01:22<sney>ok, then you can just reinstall on / and leave /home alone
01:23<hagom>thanks sney
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01:23<hagom>but I have another question
01:23<hagom>is it better 32 o 64 bits?
01:23<sney>for most real world uses it doesn't make a difference
01:24<sney>I usually install debian amd64 on the hardware that supports it, though. might as well.
01:25<zykotick9>hagom, how much memory do you have? That is perhaps the biggest factor
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01:25<sney>zykotick9: but even in that case there are still 32-bit bigmem/pae kernels, or using a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland like he has now
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01:25<sney>it would only matter if *individual applications* were going to be pushing that 4GB limit
01:26<zykotick9>sney, like you i use 64bit on any hardware that supports it, including this 1GB Atom Netbook
01:26<hagom>you know, the first time that I install debian 6 the system install a 64 bit kernel, but the 8 dvd's ISO that I downloaded was i386
01:26<hagom>how can you explain that
01:26<sney>some of the installers have both
01:27<sney>you don't need to download all 8 DVDs
01:27<hagom>I downloaded then because I use my laptop in some places where I don't have a internet access
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01:28<hagom>by the way i'm from venezuela, in case my english is not that good
01:28<sney>I had a feeling you were a spanish speaker
01:29<hagom>I'm taking english classes
01:29<sney>but you're a lot better at english than many people who join here so it's ok
01:29<sney>there's also #debian-es for when you don't feel like translating
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01:29<hagom>that's ok sney
01:29<hagom>I need the practice
01:30<hagom>I'm using xchat and I see that the app has a debian channel
01:30<hagom>I didn't know that was in english until I join it
01:31<hagom>so, in a few words, I have a 32 bit system with a 64 bit kernel?
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01:31<sney>hagom: exactly.
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01:32<hagom>I will only download the first dvd of debian amd64, the rest I can install it from internet
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01:33<hagom>sney do you have a good doc about kernel compiling on debian?
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01:33<dpkg>from memory, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
01:33<sney>there is a link
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01:34<hagom>I use make-kpkg for compiling
01:34<nevyn_>make-kpkg is deprecated
01:34<nevyn_>used make deb-pkg
01:34<hagom>what's the difference?
01:34<nevyn_>deb-pkg is in the kernel now.
01:34<hagom>all the websites recomends make-kpkg
01:35<hagom>thanks nevyn
01:36<zykotick9>sney, in a setup like hagom's currently using 64kernel/32userland what are the implications of this? Specifically, is ia32libs required And can the kernel address 4+GB memory (i understand the apps can't) without the 3-6% overhead of PAE?
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01:36<sney>zykotick9: ia32libs shouldn't be required since the userland is native 32-bit, and the kernel can address past the 4GB limit
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01:37<zykotick9>sney, neat thanks
01:37<sney>and sometimes it's faster than running everything 64-bit, in part because 32-bit binaries are smaller
01:38<zykotick9>sney, this seems to be better then PAE from what your describing
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01:38<sney>the disadvantage at least on debian is it can be annoying in the least to build things that rely on module-assistant or dkms
01:39<zykotick9>good to know, thanks again
01:39<hagom>nevyn if I use deb-pkg it will built the image and headers kernel packages?
01:40<nevyn>and firmware
01:40<hagom>so the previous link it's useless, right?
01:41<hagom>because I'm watching it right now and tells me to use make-kpkg
01:41<sney>it's just old
01:41<sney>make-kpkg still works, but it's now recommended to use make deb-pkg
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01:43<hagom>by the way the kernels packages that I'm building with make-kpkg will it work with debian amd64?
01:45<hagom>thank you all for your help
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02:28<M0n3yRuL3z>hey all, im wondering how to use a font in Ubuntu? like i have downloaded the font which i wanted, so now how can i use and type with that font ?
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02:34<M0n3yRuL3z>hey all, im wondering how to use a font in Ubuntu? like i have downloaded the font which i wanted, so now how can i use and type with that font ?
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02:34<streuner__>dpkg, ubuntu
02:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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02:35<robbiethe1st>M0n3yRuL3z, if it's a TTF file, just right-click -> Install
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02:36<M0n3yRuL3z>robbiethe1st, I did it, now how may i type with that font? because as i open a text documents and type it types with default font
02:36<robbiethe1st>That's a different problem.
02:37<robbiethe1st>Unless you're using a program that supports writing with many fonts -- like, say, OpenOffice/LibreOffice, you'd need to go into the preferences of the program and change the default text font
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02:38<M0n3yRuL3z>robbiethe1st, got it thanks, ill try it now )
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02:48<ompaul>also use defoma to manage your fonts that is what it is there for ;-)
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03:01<urbanfbi>does anybody know, how to set dolphin as file manager in iceweasel instead of Nautilus? when I have opened the download manager and do "open in containing folder" Nautilus is used. how can I change this?
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03:06<magenta>what file system allows for multiple r/w mount points?
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03:11<amitz>magenta: i'm not sure what you mean. almost all fs?
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03:13<magenta>amitz: I mean: mount /dev/sda1 /a ; mount /dev/sda1 /b; echo "foo" > /a/bar ; cat /b/bar
03:14<ivchenkoss>magenta: may be you better use soft links?
03:15<amitz>ah, i probably miss the subtlety.
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03:16<magenta>ivchenkoss: it is necessary to mount a single device within a few xen domu
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03:17<amitz>magenta: you mean it doesn't work out of the box?
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03:20<magenta>amitz: seems to be no
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03:55<anbe>magenta, you can use bind-mounts: mount --bind /a /b
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04:00<magenta>anbe: Unfortunately no, there is only access to the device (like / dev/sda1) in different "chrooted" environments
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04:02<Myon>I think you can mount any FS multiple times. The kernel will make that bind mounts
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04:14<anbe>magenta, mount /dev/sda1 to /what/ever on the host system, and bind-mount it into the chroots: mount --bind /what/ever /chroot/foobar/sda1 and then use chroot /chroot/foobar, don't mount there
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04:16<magenta>Myon: mount /dev/sda1 /a ; mount /dev/sda1 /b; echo "foo" > /a/bar ; cat /b/bar - in result: cat: /b/bar: No such file or directory
04:18<daemonkeeper>How can you mount the same device twice? That should not be possible at all.
04:18<magenta>myon: is xen domu, not chroot
04:20<magenta>daemonkeeper: i tested it on mount -o loop imagefile /a ; mount -o loop imagefile /b ;
04:20<daemonkeeper>you will badly damage your file system that way.
04:22<daemonkeeper>Do it that way
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04:57<vidkun>hiya, some help getting afs to work on debian please? i've installed the openafs-client package, but it needs to build kernel modules as
04:59<daemonkeeper>Install openafs-modules-dkms
05:00<vidkun>hm, there is a problem with my dkms package somehow
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05:01<vidkun>The following packages have unmet dependencies: openafs-modules-dkms : Depends: dkms (>= but it is not going to be installed
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05:02<daemonkeeper>There is something else wrong.
05:02<daemonkeeper>How do you install that package?
05:02<vidkun>dkms is not installed, but why didn't it do that if there is a dependency?
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05:02<vidkun>apt-get install
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05:04<daemonkeeper>Show me your sources.list
05:05<vidkun>i have some packs from unstable, apt hints that this might be the problem
05:05<daemonkeeper>Of course it is. Your problem indicates a completely broken apt setup
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05:06<vidkun>daemonkeeper: i don't understand the reason for not installing dkms?
05:06<daemonkeeper>Well, your policy may prohibit that.
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05:07<vidkun>my sources.list:
05:07<bernat>vidkun: maybe it can't be installed without breaking other packages
05:07<vidkun>deb squeeze main
05:07<vidkun>deb-src squeeze main
05:07<vidkun>deb squeeze/updates main
05:07<vidkun>deb-src squeeze/updates main
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05:07<vidkun>oops, someone didn't like that
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05:10<vidkun>did it set some evil mode on me as well?
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05:10<vidkun>seems not
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05:11<daemonkeeper>All you should do is not flood the channel, but use a pastebin instead ...
05:12<vidkun>apt-get install dkms complains about a dependency on gcc
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05:12<themill>dpkg: tell vidkun about bat
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05:13<themill>vidkun: please start sticking real data in a pastebin, not vague statements that have passed through your heavy filtering.
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05:18<themill>vidkun: why are you trying to mix squeeze and sid?
05:18<vidkun>themill: i wanted an uptodate pidgin package
05:18<themill>and now you know why you shouldn't do that
05:18<vidkun>it seems...
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05:20<themill>vidkun: you have a few options now and none of them are pleasant. (a) reinstall squeeze using your backups (b) upgrade to wheezy and accept the consequences (/msg dpkg moving target) (c) try to downgrade your sid packages to squeeze (/msg dpkg partial downgrade; good luck)
05:21<vidkun>wheezy+sid would mix better?
05:22<bernat>vidkun: you don't seem prepared to take that ride
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05:23<themill>vidkun: considering they have the same version of pidgin, there's not much to be gained by that. And if you have to ask, you really shouldn't...
05:23<vidkun>bernat: there seems to be ample scope for things going wrong in that scenario, yes
05:24<bernat>you can use squeeze and backport packages from wheezy, that should work reasonably well
05:24<themill>pidgin doesn't backport that easily
05:24<vidkun>bernat: if i get option c above to work?
05:25<bernat>I didn't know
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05:26<aussa>hi, who knows about a ppt viewer that works on amd64??
05:26<dba>themill: not true; pidgin is trivial to backport. doing that for years.
05:26<vidkun>for a solution to my immediate problem at hand: can i compile the modules manually?
05:27<bernat>aussa: libreoffice?
05:28<aussa>it messes up some images and slides
05:28<aussa>I found pptview but it is for i386
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05:30<opalepatrick>Need to communicate with a windows PC that has pcanywhere. I tried to install an old windows version of pcanywhere via wine but it is not happy. Is there a simpler more linuxy way I can do this?
05:31<Torsten_W>install teamviever in win and linux
05:32<opalepatrick>would that be on the windows pc as well? bit of a problem as it is an old person in another country, Torsten_W
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05:33<Torsten_W>teavviewer is the easyest way
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05:33<opalepatrick>OK, thanks Torsten_W - I am off to have a look , thanks
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05:34<stomanata>how can i install airodump_ng, aircrack and aireplay?
05:34<stomanata>i can`t see them in synaptic package manager....
05:35<dpkg>aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, ask me about <pyrit>. #aircack-ng on
05:35<vidkun>my problem seems to be stemming from gcc...any chance of a quick "local" fix of that package?
05:36<stomanata>so i need to install it from source?
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05:37<SynrG>or use the suggested alternative
05:40<stomanata>i have 2 choises? pyrit or source of those 3 programs?
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05:43<daemonkeeper>Or try to backport it
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05:45<hoshi411>I just wanna say that you guys are doing an awesome job
05:46<stomanata>i`ll try first with pyrit
05:46<stomanata>10x for ideas :)
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05:46<hoshi411>everytime I boot up my mac I am extremely surprised at how well it runs thanks to Debian
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05:46<hoshi411>no noticeable bugs
05:46<hoshi411>runs so fast.
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05:47<hoshi411>support was dropped from apple and I get great support from you guys all the time
05:47<hoshi411>nice job
05:47<hoshi411>even though it is a ppc machine and most distros dropped support for it. thank you
05:47<hoshi411>thank you
05:48<hoshi411>debian for ppc runs even better than ppc ubuntu and mintppc
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05:50<doodmang>Yeah, somehow I was playing with the hidden files of my home directory and my sound seems to be malfunctioning. Sound is unmuted and volume is up.
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06:07<andres>hi, I'm on tty1, how do I start X, everytime I boot, I get to a full black screen with a line on the top left corner
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06:08<Torsten_W>andres, your hardware is a secret?
06:09<Torsten_W>andres, you use debian stable?
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06:10<andres>I got to tty1 in order to install nvidia graphics drivers.... I installed them succesfully and then when I reboot I got to the black screen :S
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06:10<afuentes>hi, i have installed a 32bit debian in a 64 comp. I want to install a 64bit. I have a separete /home partition. I want to debootstrap /. I'd like to have the same package selection I have now... is it a way to install directly those packages?
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06:11<daemonkeeper>!debian clone
06:11<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
06:12<daemonkeeper>(aptitude clone may remember auto-installed packages)
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06:13<Torsten_W>andres, how you have installed the driver?
06:14<andres>through a script called sgfxi, or something like that... I got that suggestion from debian ask... It was very good actually, easy and clear
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06:14<Torsten_W>this way isn't supportet
06:14<Torsten_W>sgfxi is not a part of debian
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06:16<andres>ok, I know, I tried that option because I had to install wheezy nvidia-graphics-drivers, because my grapichs card isn't supported on the current release, I tried to do it by several means without any result...
06:17<ulukay>try nouveau, i'm using those because the proprietary nvidia drivers are a pain in the ass to install on debian.
06:17<andres>I know that for sure, that is why I tried with sgfxi script...
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06:19<andres>how do I know if X is running?
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06:20<Black_Prince>andres, pidof Xorg maybe
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06:22<babilen>andres: ... a look at the Xorg.0.log would be interesting, support for sgfxi is in #smxi on freenode and it *might* be possible to backport the nvidia package. In particular because the new Xorg version is now available in backports.
06:23<andres>what should I look for in Xorg.0.log??
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06:24<babilen>andres: My idea was that you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to -- But as *we* do not support smxi you should ask about it in #smxi if you plan to use it.
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06:26<andres>ok, I'm using irssi (can't get to run X), is there a way to paste it on pastebin without leaving this channel, and without using iceweasel (is there a commandline browser?)
06:26<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
06:26<andres>ok, ty
06:27<andres>btw, how do I start X from here.... I haven't tried that...
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06:28<andres>I'll be right back, hold all your suggestions!!!
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06:31<babilen>andres: You can then paste with "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log" -- But note once again that further support of your installation has to be done by #smxi or #nvidia on -- You could try to backport the nvidia package(s) which would be the supported way. I don't think that the Xorg version will be problematic as a matching one has been uploaded to backports, but the kernel could make problems. (.39 is ...
06:31<babilen>... in backports, 3.0 in wheezy/sid)
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06:34<andres>wtf are you talking about??? ok, so what I have to do is go to #smxi ???
06:34<babilen>!tell andres about backports
06:34<babilen>!tell andres about ssb
06:35<andres>I'm on isrri, how do I see those messages form dpkg??
06:35<babilen>andres: The second factoid (ssb == simple sid backport) explains how to backport packages yourself from sid. But, yeah, for support with your smuxi installation you should go to #smxi -- I was just offering to take a look at your logs as the problem might be obvious.
06:36<petemc> /win N
06:36<babilen>andres: wait
06:36<babilen>andres: Why are you logging out all the time?
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06:38<meebey>babilen: hey that was a typo and I wondered what his X issue had to do smuxi :)
06:39<babilen>meebey: What was a typo? And AFAIUI andres used sgfxi to install the nvidia drivers.
06:39<meebey>babilen: smuxi vs smxi
06:40<meebey>babilen: and smuxi triggers a highlight for me...
06:40<babilen>meebey: Yes, it is #smxi -- The "typo" was due to wrong information on
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06:41<meebey>that page doesnt contain the word sm_u_xi, which is something else, see
06:42<babilen>meebey: Ok, thanks for pointing that out. I don't care about smuxi, sgfxi and whatever other tools might be related to it :)
06:43<Black_Prince>Those scripts are bad by nature :(
06:44<babilen>Ah, the #smxi channel is here on OFTC -- Anyway, this is really getting OT and pointless to continue without the logs from andres
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07:38<doodmang>Hi, I want to reinstall xfce, but I want to purge all the settings for it
07:38<daemonkeeper>rm -rf ~/.xfce (I GUESS!)
07:39<babilen>doodmang: Why reinstall it?
07:39<daemonkeeper>That too
07:39<doodmang>babilen, because for some unknown reason, xfce stops playing sound whenever I put my settings in it
07:40<doodmang>it worked like 2 hours ago
07:40<doodmang>but after restarting...
07:40<daemonkeeper>oO muted your mixer?
07:40<babilen>doodmang: What have you changed?
07:41<doodmang>It's probably because I did some ugly things with my computer. I messed around with the .files in my home directory. I removed them all now and backed up the important ones
07:41<doodmang>babilen, I tried resetting it up after that but reproduced the problem
07:42<doodmang>daemonkeeper, sound works for 2 seconds and then mutes
07:42<babilen>doodmang: I don't quite follow -- What did you change exactly and how did you reset it? Is it working for a different user?
07:42<doodmang>babilen, it is working for another user. I reset it by clearing out my .files
07:43<babilen>doodmang: See, there is not much we can do without knowing what you've changed. If it works for another user and after "clearing" your dot-files it must be due to your local configuration. So best not "mess" with it :)
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07:44<babilen>doodmang: And I have the impression that you already figured out how to solve the issue. (i.e. by reverting your dot-files to their defaults)
07:45<doodmang>babilen, er.. sorry, I guess I explained incorrectly. It worked when I cleared them out, as well as when I put in some of my old settings, but as soon as I changed the appearance (O_o) sound went wonky again
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07:45<doodmang>babilen, by inserting the config as well as using the manager for appearance
07:45<doodmang>babilen, which is REALLY odd.
07:46<doodmang>and by "inserting the config" I mean putting in the corresponding dot-file
07:46<babilen>doodmang: What do you mean by "inserting the config" -- Apart from that: I have to confess that I know *nothing* about XFCE and its quirks. Asking in a more XFCE centric channel (such as #xfce on might be a good idea as they might be aware of that issue.
07:47<babilen>doodmang: Which dot file is that and what does it contain? (paste to for example)
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07:48<doodmang>babilen, Well, it's more like a folder. I should really give better explanations >_>
07:48<babilen>doodmang: Which directory is it? What does it contain? Does the error occur if you *don't* copy that directory to your HOME and *only* change the appearance with the manager?
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07:49<doodmang>babilen, yes, it still causes the problem even when I only use the manager
07:50<doodmang>babilen, the only reason I can think that it would act like this is that I broke something by experimenting with my computer
07:50<babilen>doodmang: *shrug* -- I have no idea what might case that as I don't know what is changed by "the manager" -- Ask in #xfce and check your mixer settings.
07:50<doodmang>doesn't seem like it should be programmed behaviour
07:51<babilen>doodmang: Is it reproducible with a completely different and new user? Did you change any settings outwith your HOME ?
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07:51<doodmang>babilen, I have yet to give either a try. What do you mean by the second?
07:52<babilen>doodmang: Did you change in, say, /etc or /usr or only in your HOME (i.e. ~)
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07:53<doodmang>babilen, should have only been in home.
07:53<babilen>doodmang: First thing I would do is to create a completely new user and test if the behaviour (change appearance → no sound) is reproducible. If that is the case compare the configuration before the "change appearance" step to the configuration afterwards.
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07:54<doodmang>babilen, alright. I'll try it now
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07:56<babilen>doodmang: You could, for example, copy the home directory of the new user *before* the change to a backup location. (cp -a comes to mind) and then use diff, dirdiff and related tools to see the difference after changing the appearance.
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07:57<babilen>doodmang: The most important thing, however, is to make sure that the behaviour is actually reproducible. If you can do that reliably you could even file a bug. (maybe talk to #xfce first)
07:57<doodmang>babilen, I'll keep that in mind. I have to log off to do it; xfce doesn't support switching users
07:57<babilen>doodmang: Sure, take your time. Lunch time here anyway :)
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08:15<Black_Prince>\ -> /
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08:19<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110831, linux-next: next-20110831, snapshot 3: 3.1-rc4-git2, mainline 3: 3.1-rc4 , stable 3.0: 3.0.4 , stable 2.6.39: , stable 2.6.38: , stable 2.6.37: , longterm 2.6.35: , longterm 2.6.34: , longterm 2.6.33: , longterm 2.6.32: , longterm 2.6.27:
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08:20<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>.
08:20<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>.
08:20<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
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08:25<doodmang>Is there any way to remove a package from gnome without having all of the packages depending on it being listed for autoremoval?
08:26<Black_Prince>doodmang, remove gnome metapackage with dpkg -P gnome then run aptitude keep-all
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08:26<Black_Prince>if necesary, do same procedure for gnome-desktop-environment metapackage and/or gnome-core ...
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08:30<doodmang>Black_Prince, I've already removed some of these packages, so I will reinstall gnome but... apparently one of the the packages can't be retrieved from the server. I got a similar error for one of the gnome packages a few days ago though I can't really remember if it was the same package
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08:31<Black_Prince>1) Never use aptitude when removing gnome packages (in case you installed gnome with desktop task or gnome metapackage) ... (It will remove half of it)
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08:32<Black_Prince>2) If you reinstall but some packages are missing, run apt-get update to update package cache.
08:33<doodmang>Black_Prince, lesson learned. : D
08:33<Black_Prince>dpkg, why not aptitude
08:33<dpkg>Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see
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08:34<doodmang>Black_Prince, so one of the downloads failed because the hash sum didn't match...
08:34<doodmang>Black_Prince, I'm sure I got this same error last time
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08:35<Black_Prince>Hash sum mismatch? Do you have in your sources.list ? I am sure it is mirror problem. If you don't have that one, try changing to some else.
08:36<doodmang>Black_Prince, should I contact the mirror hosts? I am using a different mirror. How can I use a different one for the time being?
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08:37<Black_Prince>Mirrors are defined in /etc/apt/sources.list ... Try changing to some other, then run apt-get update and see if problem persists.
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08:41<lordmadnes>While it is possible that debian can put 2 network cards (WiFi). Can we use independently 1 of those 2 to dedicate a different internet connection to a virtual machine?, In short. Can we have 2 internet's on the same machine?
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08:42<Bushmills>yes, possible
08:42<lordmadnes>with bridge adapter ?
08:43<Bushmills>depends on type of virtualisation. frequently, yes, through bridge.
08:43<doodmang>Black_Prince, alright, so it works. Should I contact the mirror or something?
08:44<Bushmills>some types of virtualisation allow accessing host adapter directly, as the hardware like NICs isn't virtualized. in those cases, you'd not need a bridge
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08:44<Black_Prince>doodmang, could not hurt.
08:44<lordmadnes>fan portatil debian squeeze
08:44<lordmadnes>Traducir del: inglés
08:44<lordmadnes>Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web, o bien, traduce un documento.
08:44<lordmadnes>traducción del español al inglés
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08:46<Black_Prince>dpkg, pastebin
08:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
08:47<zeroXten>would one expected inalloc and dentries count to jump up on hostA when running something like rsync hostA:path /local/path on hostB?
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08:48<waqs>hi guys need some help with a script which I hopefully want to setup as a cron job. I have multiple files in folders /data/1/XXX.jpg /data/2/XXX.jpg I want to move them to windows share in the following format so they look like x:\1\20110902\XXX.jpg x:\2\20110902\XXX/jpg (the date folder is created based on the modified date of the file)
08:49<waqs>is this possible?
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08:57<doodmang>Black_Prince, thanks for the help.
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08:59<erwan>Hello ? :°
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09:02<erwan>I've just install debian but there is no desktop manager, and the installer don't install the network. any body has an idea?
09:03<erwan>i'm in comand-line
09:03<lindi->erwan: what CD did you use?
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09:04<erwan>the iso of the official website, and i boot it from a usb.
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09:04<doodmang>erwan, the installer didn't install the network packages or that you can't install from the network
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09:04<lindi->erwan: the website has many different ISO images unfortunately
09:05<doodmang>I have found the source of my woes that is Skype
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09:07<lindi->erwan: ok
09:07<lindi->erwan: what's the model of your computer?
09:08<erwan>if i install the complette installation, (non net-install) maybe... ?
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09:09<lindi->erwan: you need working network connection to install desktop environment sanely
09:09<lindi->erwan: if you tell me the model of you computer (probably laptop?) I can check if network drivers should work
09:10<erwan>No, it's no a laptop, it's an Acer
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09:10<petemc>acer make laptops..
09:10<erwan>but I haven't got the name of the model
09:10<medicalwei>erwan: is it an Acer desktop?
09:11<erwan>petemc : i know.
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09:11<lindi->erwan: the model name would help
09:11<medicalwei>could you use lspci and paste to ?
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09:12<lindi->medicalwei: that's not really the desktop way :)
09:12<medicalwei>lindi-: ooh. but he doesn't have a desktop. OwO;;;
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09:12<lindi->medicalwei: indeed
09:12<lindi->erwan: the computer doesn't have any model name printed in it?
09:13<medicalwei>It is probably on the back of the computer.
09:13<lindi->oh great
09:13<erwan>lindi- : no.. too bas.
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09:14<lindi->erwan: are you trying to use wifi or ethernet?
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09:14<erwan>The installer can't configure the network, and i'm in command-line mode, so... no.
09:15<lindi->erwan: yes but was the ethernet cable connected when you tried to install?
09:15<medicalwei>erwan: you listed your laptop orz
09:15<erwan>sorry it's an error ^^
09:15<erwan>i'm on 2 computer so...
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09:16<erwan>what line do you need? i can't paste on my other computer (command-line)
09:16<medicalwei>erwan: but since it is difficult to copy and paste... (any better way to diagnose for us?)
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09:16<lindi->erwan: if you can type cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/product_name it should give us the real model name
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09:16<lindi->erwan: it's a lot shorter than trying to manually copy the whole lspci
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09:17<medicalwei>oh. it is a system model...
09:17<erwan>aspire m5800
09:18<medicalwei>Let's see...
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09:19<medicalwei>(seems like a typical model, but i cannot get into detail....)
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09:19<lindi->erwan: so you have Intel Corporation 82567V-2 Gigabit Network Connection
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09:19<lindi->medicalwei: the details are in
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09:20<erwan>lindi- : yes, exactly.
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09:23<lindi->erwan: that should work with the e1000 driver
09:24<lindi->erwan: that should work with the e1000e driver
09:24<erwan>how i can install it with no network connection?
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09:24<lindi->erwan: you have the driver already
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09:24<lindi->medicalwei: is this perhaps case of missing firmware?
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09:25<erwan>ah, so how I can use it?
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09:26<lindi->thinking :)
09:26<erwan>okay :)
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09:27<micha-->hi, i am looking for a way to browse the cablegate.csv in debian, without having >40GB data lying around. Probably I should import the .csv into a database which allows for data compression -- what program can I use for this?
09:27<medicalwei>lindi-: But I think Intel ethernet doesn't need a firmware, but broadcom needs it.
09:27<lindi->medicalwei: are you sure?
09:28<lindi->medicalwei: google finds a lot of complains
09:28<micha-->medicalwei: no, the compression right now is 7z
09:29<medicalwei>lindi-: Not so sure, but I am using an intel gigabit with e1000e without any problem.
09:29<micha-->i am looking for a format that can access the data while it's compressed
09:29<lindi->medicalwei: interesting
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09:30<medicalwei>lindi-: instead, i've seen an broadcom gigabit needs non-free firmware to work.
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09:30<lindi->erwan: just to get more data points, would it be possible for you to try the live environment? you can just "cat" to a USB flash drive
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09:31<erwan>Please, help me ? :° . I'm new in Debian and I don't know install drivers e1000e without network connection
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09:32<lindi->erwan: you have the driver already. we are trying to understand why it fails
09:32<erwan>i'll try it
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09:33<lindi->medicalwei: do you remember some model that has broadcom gigabit?
09:33<lindi->medicalwei: so that I could check how handles this
09:33<erwan>I'm gonna use a cd for the gnome iso.
09:33<lindi->erwan: that's larger than what fits to a CD
09:33<medicalwei>lindi-: an ibm blade hs-20
09:33<lindi->erwan: you need DVD or USB
09:33<erwan>on DVD*
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09:33<erwan>It's a 4.7GO ^^'
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09:34<lindi->erwan: that should work
09:34<erwan>Ok thank's
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09:35<lindi->medicalwei: these?
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09:35<lindi->medicalwei: seems so rare that nobody has rated it
09:36<medicalwei>lindi-: yes.
09:36<medicalwei>or so... i've forget what i've got.
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09:37<dba>medicalwei: they have broadcom netextrem crap, bnx2 firmware required.
09:37<dba>intel nics don't need that, though.
09:38<medicalwei>dba: yes. so i have to put broadcom firmware into usb to use network install.
09:38<medicalwei>and install nonfree drivers while having network connection.
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09:39<dba>medicalwei: jup
09:39<medicalwei>but that's what i have got. this is probably unchangable.
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09:39<dba>medicalwei: i feel your pain, we've got the same 'pleasure' here :)
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09:40<medicalwei>dba: It was some additional procedure for me, but using an non-free driver made me feel weird.
09:41<medicalwei>My intel wireless needs the same thing btw =w=
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09:42<lindi->I'm planning to package the smolt client in case you wonder my obsession with
09:42<medicalwei>lindi-: That's a good compability rating tool OwO/
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09:43<lindi->medicalwei: to me the most valuable part is being able to see how much chipsets vary within the same model
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09:53<BlackFate>hello! i got an ipv6 block.. i try to set the default gateway like this "ip route add 2a01:4f8:131:41a0::1/59 dev eth0" . Everything works fine, but i find this entry anywhere. i used ip addr show but it reports nothing about the specific ip
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09:54<eightyeight>anyone know what's holding gnome3 back from reaching unstable?
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09:54<XeonBloomfield>Hello people!
09:55<XeonBloomfield> /tmp at size 8GB is good for today use?
09:55<XeonBloomfield>it is desktop
09:56<XeonBloomfield>for everyday use*
09:56<towo`>not, if you want to burn a blueray disc
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10:00<vichy>I have tried to install Gnome3 in to ubuntu 11.04 and after that I get white screen with disturbances
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10:00<akerl>!ubuntu | vichy
10:00<dpkg>| vichy: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
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10:01<vichy>So now I am happy debian and gnome 2 user
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10:02<medicalwei>any way to get expresscard to work without reboot?
10:02<medicalwei>(it is working after reboot)
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10:04<marc-andre>i can't manage to setup bridged networking for kvm guests, someone in here has experience with that matter ?
10:05<medicalwei>marc-andre: did you set up a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces ?
10:05<Freddy105>I'll send you
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10:06<marc-andre>medicalwei: i followed the steps on the debian VirtualBox wikipage, the moment i do "ifup br0" i have no connection to the internet anymore
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10:07<Freddy105>check this:
10:07<Freddy105>then: brctl addbr br0
10:07<Freddy105>sudo brctl addif br0 eth0
10:07<Freddy105>sudo restart /etc/network/interfaces restart
10:08<marc-andre>ok, Freddy105, thx, i'll try that right away
10:08<Freddy105>you should change the ip and ethX accordingly to your needs
10:08<Freddy105>it's working for me on debian
10:08<marc-andre>do i need to use a static IP ?
10:09<Freddy105>but if you use DHCP you will need a DHCP server
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10:09<marc-andre>is it interfering with NetworkManager ? i read on the libvirt wiki page i need to delete it
10:09<Freddy105>I did not delete it
10:10<Freddy105>and I do not have problems
10:10<marc-andre>well, i'll apply the changes...
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10:11<Freddy105>for DHCP you should change /etc/network/interfaces to
10:11<Freddy105># Replace old eth0 config with br0
10:11<Freddy105>auto eth0 br0
10:12<Freddy105># Use old eth0 config for br0, plus bridge stuff
10:12<Freddy105>iface br0 inet dhcp
10:12<Freddy105> bridge_ports eth0
10:12<Freddy105> bridge_stp off
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10:12<Freddy105> bridge_maxwait 0
10:12<Freddy105> bridge_fd 0
10:12<Freddy105>you can see thin on
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10:14<EmleyMoor>marc-andre: I've got it working if you're still getting nowhere
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10:19<EmleyMoor>Might be able to refine mine a bit... will probably try next time I have some time...
10:20<marc-andre>ok, i think the DHCP way was the wrong way to go
10:20<marc-andre>now it seems to work
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10:20<marc-andre>when i do a ping, it looks like it's routed through the bridge
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10:22<marc-andre>now i try the guest
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10:23<marc-andre>great ! finally working
10:23<marc-andre>thx Freddy105 , EmleyMoor !
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10:29<marc-andre>Freddy105 or EmleyMoor : do i need for every guest another bridge ?
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10:30<Freddy105>one bridge can handle several eth and several VM
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10:30<Freddy105>if you have more than one eth on different networks for example, it may be interesting to create diferente br
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10:31<marc-andre>nope, only one interface and one network
10:33<Freddy105>marc-andre: what do you mean
10:33<EmleyMoor>I have one bridge with my "inside" network card and all guests.
10:33<marc-andre>one networkcard and one network
10:33<EmleyMoor>I could create another to the other card and use public IPs, if I wished
10:33<marc-andre>2 guests
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10:33<marc-andre>i'm already happy to have gotten that far :D
10:34<marc-andre>the 2 guests are now automatically started on boot
10:34<marc-andre>no more hassle with virtualbox
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10:39<dinus>marc-andre: you know about vde2 and slirp ?
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10:39<marc-andre>no ?
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10:40<dinus>vde = virtuel distributed etrhernet with slirp you hang a dhcp on it --- google to it
10:41<marc-andre>just did
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10:41<marc-andre>reading it
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10:49<Black_Prince>are you crazy or something? why remove NetworkManager daemon and dhclient ?
10:49<dinus>sometimes i don't like them :-))
10:49<Black_Prince>Use dpkg or apt to remove them ... This is not the debian way ...
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10:50<dinus>right I sometimes start this script
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10:51<dinus>i use debian-live to have a fixed ip and make from a pc a nfs-server where i login through ssh so i have to know the ip number in advance
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10:53<__Alex_>How do i find out how many corrupted blocks are on my Disk?
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10:55<dinus>btw I am off the opinion that the way the distro's are made should be done by a standard not the use of debian (just write down what is not standard there in a README)- i use it from kernel version 1
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10:57<__Alex_>I have an old Harddisk, with 40Gigz. The harddisk is old, and i want to know how many corrupted blocks are on it. Ias there a way to do that?
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10:58<jlarson>__Alex_: have you looked at badblocks?
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10:58<__Alex_>I'll look at it
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11:05<abrotman>if you have badblocks before you install, probably time to get a new disk
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11:15<XeonBloomfield>new version of my question
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11:15<XeonBloomfield> /tmp at size 8GB is good for today use for desktop without dvd burner?
11:15<XeonBloomfield>everyday use*
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11:16<jlarson>XeonBloomfield: i would say 8GB is more than sufficient
11:16<jlarson>for a desktop system
11:16<demooriaan>8 g? what are you doing with that machine? video editing?
11:17<XeonBloomfield>demooriaan: currently every folder from "/" except /home have 22 GB :P
11:17<abrotman>way way more
11:18<demooriaan>i wouldn't give /usr a n extra partition, btw
11:18<XeonBloomfield>I am going to reinstall system...
11:18<XeonBloomfield>Every partition except /home will be 8GB
11:19<XeonBloomfield> /boot - 32mb
11:19<XeonBloomfield>swap - 24gb
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11:19<jlarson>XeonBloomfield: just curious, why do you not want just 1 partition for / and 1 for /home?
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11:20<jlarson>how much RAM do you have?
11:20<demooriaan>swap 32 g? way way to much, if no big video etc are dealt with
11:20<XeonBloomfield>jlarson: Maybe I wanna have sda12 in PC, or probably more right answer - security
11:20<XeonBloomfield>demooriaan: swap 24GB
11:20<XeonBloomfield>jlarson: I used one day 30 GB of memory by single 64-bit application ;)
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11:21<jlarson>ah, well i guess that might justify your huge swap space :P
11:21<abrotman>XeonBloomfield: was it called 'Windows'? :)
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11:22<XeonBloomfield>abrotman: Nope... I does not want to support these thieves...
11:22<demooriaan>i'd suggest separate /boot /about 100 mb for more than 3 or 4 kernels, separate /home (size as much as you like/need for data), and maybe some partitions for other storage
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11:22<XeonBloomfield>demooriaan: I am using Debian Stable = one kernel forever ;)
11:23<demooriaan>and / about 20 gib sould be sufficient
11:23<Black_Prince>I have 13GB on / (no other seperate partitions) and 40 GB shared win/lin partition ...
11:23<Black_Prince>I never needed more ...
11:23<XeonBloomfield>demooriaan: Debian Stable kernel is updated time to time, but it does not do additional item in /boot
11:24<demooriaan>i know, i use custom kernel, ususally
11:25<XeonBloomfield>Black_Prince: I am developer. I often use Virtual Machines for work to test applications compatibility with others distributions...
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11:25<demooriaan>and my /tmp folder is in ram (400 mib)
11:25<Black_Prince>8 GB for /tmp is silly ...
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11:26<XeonBloomfield>Black_Prince: If I would buy new PC, I would buy only PC with 8 GiB or more RAM...
11:26<demooriaan>this implies that you need to tell some programmes not to use /tmp, but another place for their temporary files (e.g. k3b, audacity)
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11:27*demooriaan has 2 gib ram, and about the same as swap, sufficient for me
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11:29<XeonBloomfield>demooriaan: Yesterday I built my friend PC with Phenom 2 X4 955 BE (4 x 3.2 GHz) and 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz ;)
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12:45<Freddy105>Hi all, I need help on this:
12:45<Freddy105>Power-on Source: Wake Up Timer
12:45<Freddy105>Specifies whether the system can be set to switch on at a particular time
12:45<Freddy105>or after a particular period of time. The switch-on date cannot be
12:45<Freddy105>specified in BIOS setup. A suitable application is required in order to set
12:45<Freddy105>the switch-on date.
12:45<Freddy105>anyone know of such an application?
12:46<Black_Prince>Freddy105, it is done in BIOS
12:46<Freddy105>no, the bios has no option to set the date
12:46<Freddy105>and this is from the manual
12:46<Black_Prince>Then your bios does not have that capability (application for that)
12:47<jlarson>what motherboard is this
12:47<Freddy105>it's from a fujitsu TX300
12:48<cahoot>wake on lan isn't an alternative?
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12:51<Freddy105>if there is no other way
12:51<jlarson>i would contact fujitsu
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12:52<jlarson>sounds to me like a function that they just did not fully implement
12:54<Freddy105>as I understood, the expect that one uses an application from the OS to set this parameter
12:54<Freddy105>it seems stupid to me
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12:55<Freddy105>but, it's in the manual... and one only reads the manual as a last resort...
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12:56<jlarson>might look through here:
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12:57<jlarson>it seems stupid to me as well, i think perhaps something was lost in translation...
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13:00<juboubuntu>*had to reboot to finish upgrades*
13:01<Freddy105>I checked, all available option on bios, nothing there to set the date
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13:01<Freddy105>since today we'll have a scheduled power cut, I expected to set the server to normally start tomorrow
13:02<juboubuntu>how many times have you had an "I want my <swearwordgoeshere> old version of myTunes back!!!!!
13:02<jlarson>why not just set it to automatically power on?
13:02<jlarson>when power is restored?
13:02<juboubuntu>I want the old wintunes pls ploxx
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13:02<Freddy105>jlarson, because I don't know how many times the will cut, power up, cut power
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13:03<Freddy105>and after the system power up, if there is another cut, it's a hard landing
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13:06<juboubuntu>Now installing CompizConfig and then just turn "Scale" on and you've got the "full screen tast switcher" ( googel that)
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13:13<__Alex_>Does anyone here know anything about Cheapy-ass USB sound-cards?
13:13<__Alex_>Because my USB soundCard Works Perfectly in FreeBSD, and Windows, but not in Debian (Or linux in General, I tried Fedora and Ubuntu, both did then same thing.), it works, but after a couple of minutes of listening to music, ALSA crashes (In Ubuntu, PulseAudio crashed)
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13:15<abrotman>__Alex_: uname -r ?
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13:19<cahoot>__Alex_, just FYI PA runs on top of alsa
13:20<juboubuntu>oh noes.. Now CompizConfig doesn't boot
13:20<juboubuntu>I WANT MY COMPIZ!!!
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13:20<Mery>Anyone to speak on private?
13:20<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
13:21<Mery>chacho!? alguien que hable español cojones .
13:21<juboubuntu>'k my bad I thought I was on #ubuntu-offtopic ..
13:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:22<juboubuntu>Mery, and not your cojones
13:22<juboubuntu>we couldn't care less about your cojones
13:23<juboubuntu>This'd be bliss if I could get Compiz and it's Scale unit to work
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14:24<efxa>Hello Debian Hackers
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14:25<efxa>Is there anyone who can answer?
14:26<efxa>Does anyone like GNU/Linux?
14:26<Black_Prince>dpkg, ask
14:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:26<efxa>Only for questions here?
14:27<Black_Prince>dpkg, offtopic
14:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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14:30<efxa>Those who are kernel / OS / system hackers, testers, packagers may register to A corner where all OS hackers can see each other.
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14:32<banjo597>hey guys
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14:34<banjo597>hey guys
14:34<banjo597>i'm trying to look for a channel that involves helping with connecting to another computer
14:34<Black_Prince>No need to repeat yourself.
14:34<Black_Prince>banjo597, from or to debian computer?
14:34<banjo597>sorry didn't think i wrote it before
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14:37<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: So you're looking for a way to share a power supply?
14:38<banjo597>no not really i need to connect it through its system
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14:38<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: It's cooling system?
14:39<banjo597>i need to connect it remotely
14:39<jhutchins_lt>So maybe with pulleys and string?
14:40<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: You have a network connection with a remote computer already, that's how you got on IRC.
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14:40<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: You really have to tell us what you are actually trying to do. Hiding details will only waste time and result in bad answers.
14:40<banjo597>but i'm looking to connect to another computer
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14:40<Black_Prince>!more info
14:41<banjo597>i'm looking to access another computer and connect to it
14:42<ompaul>banjo597: you an AI?
14:42<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: How about "I need to connect from <type of computer> to a <type of other computer> over <medium> so that I can <purpose>".
14:42<banjo597>but i'm only planning to clean it
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14:42<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: Use compressed air.
14:42<banjo597>my computer to my dad's computer over a router so i can clean it
14:42<Black_Prince>banjo597, are you using ubuntu?
14:42<ompaul>banjo597: use someone's name when you answer them
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14:43<jhutchins_lt>banjo597: Ah, now we're getting somewhere. What OS is on your computer? What's on your Dad's?
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14:44<banjo597>i don't know how to use someones name. specifically
14:44<banjo597>linux to windows 7
14:44<ompaul>!tell banjo597 about ubuntu
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14:45<jlarson>ok banjo, here is what you need to do. on your dad's router forward port 3389 to his computer
14:45<jlarson>then, use rdesktop and connect to his ip
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14:45<banjo597>but which ip
14:46<jlarson>are you just kidding around or what?
14:46<banjo597>his computer or his ip that gateway gives
14:46<ompaul>jlarson: he's on ubuntu
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14:46<ompaul>banjo597: go to and ask in #ubuntu
14:46<banjo597>alright peace
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15:57<jaco>i have got a problem starting my computer
15:57<jaco>nfs common
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15:58<jaco>is the error....any idea??
15:58<ompaul>jaco: and this started to happen three years ago, and you discovered irc today ;-) welcome to irc, perhaps a bit more information would be useful to those who know anything about nfs can work out what you have or have not done
15:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:59<ompaul>jaco: please use that format for the question
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15:59<awaxa>make sure your loopback interface is in /etc/network/interfaces
16:00<awaxa>for rpc.statd
16:00<jaco>thx awaxa thats the problem
16:00<awaxa>i always forget to put the loopback in there when i debootstrap
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16:05<mirkokk>anyone have a web site ?
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16:05<abrotman>lots of people
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16:07<mirkokk>I had have an idea very originaly
16:07<mirkokk>sory for my bad english
16:07<mirkokk>I'm Italian
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16:08<dpkg>Test failed.
16:08<jlarson>Test... succeeded?
16:08<valdyn>!what are you
16:08<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
16:08<mirkokk>this is the idea translate with google
16:08<sney`>mirkokk: this is a help channel for users of the Debian operating system
16:08<mirkokk>because is in italian
16:09<mirkokk>I'm sorry
16:09<mirkokk>sorry ;)
16:09<sney`>if you don't have an issue that you need help with, maybe you should find another channel?
16:09<mirkokk>yes you have
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16:09<abrotman>sney`: i have an issue i need help with :)
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16:10<valdyn>hope he was banned
16:10<sney`>do I really need to point you to the ask factoid, abrotman, or are you yanking my chain?
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16:10<arancha>i dont speak english very well
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16:11<sney`>arancha: no worries, how can we help
16:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:11<abrotman>sney`: i was just poking that your sentence didn't include Debian anywhere :)
16:12<sney`>it was a follow-up to my previous sentence. sheesh.
16:13<arancha>I'm talking to a translator, sney
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16:13<Black_Prince>I want to play with dpkg, too :/
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16:14<arancha>Traducción de texto o de páginas web
16:14<arancha>Traducir del: español
16:14<arancha>Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web, o bien, traduce un documento.
16:14<arancha>traducción del español al inglés
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16:17<Black_Prince>dpkg, pastebin
16:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
16:17<sney`>arancha_: do you have a debian question?
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16:18<arancha_>what is a debian question?¿
16:18<abrotman>sney`: heh
16:18<sney`>ay dios mio
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16:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:19<sney`>^ lea
16:19<arancha_>jejeje my level of English is painful
16:19<abrotman>then use the spanish channel
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16:20<sney`>dpkg just told you in spanish
16:20<dpkg>sney`: i haven't a clue
16:20<hi1>is selinux enabled by default on debian?
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16:21<Black_Prince>hi1, no
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16:22<arancha_>but I'd like to talk with different people from another country
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16:22<abrotman>arancha_: this channel is for Debian support, not socializing
16:22<arancha_>i am from Spain
16:22<ompaul>!tell arancha_ about offtopic
16:22<sney`>arancha_: this channel is not for social chat. try #moocows
16:23<jaco>arancha tienes un privado
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16:24<arancha_>then that is this chat?
16:24<hi1>does anyone know ?
16:25<hi1>Black_Prince: thamk
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16:27<kusanagi>whY .torrents does not have checksums? for example....
16:29<sney`>possibly because the bittorrent protocol is constantly checksumming
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16:29<kusanagi>i mean a checksum for the .torrent itself
16:29<abrotman>kusanagi: it's built into a torrent
16:30<sney`>why don't READMEs have checksums?
16:30<abrotman>they do?
16:30<Black_Prince>Why don't checksum files have checksums?
16:30<abrotman>they do
16:31<sney`>if you're worried about the security of the .torrent file itself, you can open it in a text editor
16:32<sney`>kusanagi: but clearly we're just speculating here. the ftp master types may know the real answer
16:32<abrotman>kusanagi: you mean for security reasons?
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16:33<kusanagi>is this what i am looking for in the bt file? ?
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16:33<Guest8374>hello does anyone know how to fix the flash fullscreen focus problem with dual monitors
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16:34<kusanagi>abrotman, well, Yes.. not that i have that level of paranoia... just wondering...
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16:35<kusanagi>i like to checksum mY files and since i cant check the .iso as is part of the job of the torrent, i wanted to checksum the torrent itself
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16:35<kusanagi>im downloading it form debian servers themself but... still
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16:36<ansgar>kusanagi: You can check the iso once you finished downloading. But just comparing checksums ist not too interesting (does not help against manipulated files).
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16:37<Guest8374>i have a 47 inch tv i use for movies and such and a 19 inch crt for the computer stuff however when i make a youtube vid full screen then move to the crt it loses full screen. I have no cable tv only internet so this kinda matters.
16:38<kusanagi>checksum the iso when downloaded... Yeah, im more happY with that answer :) and also... whY is not too interesting?
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16:38<Guest8374>its not platform specific i know but i am not sure how to fix it
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16:42<ansgar>kusanagi: You would need to check the checksums as well, for example by verifying a cryptographic signature (next problem: need to validate the public key). Otherwise they could just have been changed by the same person that gave you modified ISO images.
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16:44<kusanagi>ansgar, Yeah, right... Iassume that the checksums i find under are fine, but u are right
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16:47<kusanagi>wow, i can see bt download is not a verY popular choice...
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16:47<daemonkeeper>Why should you use Bit Torrent, if you can use straight HTTP
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16:48<kusanagi>to save bandwith? i dont know
16:49<daemonkeeper>There are mirrors.
16:49<kusanagi>i dont know how expensive is nowadaYs... but it used to be expensive...
16:49<kusanagi>but Yeah, mirrors...
16:49<kusanagi>good point ^^
16:50<kusanagi>im just kind of new
16:50<abrotman>kusanagi: it's more popular when a release happens
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16:52<kusanagi>abrotman, You mean debian-6.0.0? because otherwaY the complete column is not a verY high number
16:52<sney`>daemonkeeper: bittorrent is often absurdly fast. plus, once the download finishes, you leave it seeding to pay the favour forward
16:53<abrotman>at release time, if oyu're running i386 or amd64 ... bt is way faster than the hammered mirrors
16:53*daemonkeeper casts some doubts.
16:53*sney` casts dispel
16:54*ompaul auto corrects to this spell
16:55*retrospectacus dispels sney`s spell
16:55<abrotman>casts or has?
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16:56<ompaul>abrotman: you should seriously try looking at the heanet mirror - it is on so much bandwidth that if you are on any half decent isp it should fly in your direction once the connection is established
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16:57<abrotman>ompaul: perhaps .. just my experience .. not all mirrors mirror debian-cd AFAIK
16:57<retrospectacus>hey I have a server I wouldn't mind using to help my favourite OS. How can I be a mirror?
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16:57<daemonkeeper>Yes there aren't many debian-cd mirrors
16:58<daemonkeeper>Some are slow
16:58<ompaul>abrotman: try it you'll like it
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17:02<retrospectacus>it's an 8core Xeon with 32G ram, unlimited bandwidth, pllllllenty of HDD and of course running debian. Can it be a mirror?
17:03<k100>unlimited bandwidth?
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17:04<retrospectacus>unlimited transfer allowance, I guess.
17:04<k100>where is the best online doc resources for debian networking?
17:04<retrospectacus>100Meg bandwidth
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17:04<k100>debian & ne tworking i suppose
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17:05<ompaul>retrospectacus: I could see 100Megs getting hammered
17:05<k100>same especially with large isos
17:05<retrospectacus>I would like to see that :)
17:06<ompaul>retrospectacus: lets put it this way, 10 people with 10 megs down looking for dvds
17:06<k100>how big are the isos your mirroring
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17:06<daemonkeeper>A CD mirror is huge
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17:06<ompaul>retrospectacus: for a few hours ... you could be soaked
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17:07<k100>my bandwidth is 2.5mbps so thatd be about 40 of me max
17:07<daemonkeeper>A full Debian CD mirror is surely about 4 TiB I would guess
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17:07<sney`>an apt mirror might make more sense
17:07<ompaul>mine is 7 here 10 in one office and 100 in another
17:07<ompaul>and a couple of offices with 12
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17:07<k100>very nice lol
17:07<ompaul>I could ddos you for the weekened ;-)
17:08<o11c>am I being completely incompetent, or did recent changes make it impossible to build anything with -m32 due to missing headers?
17:08<ompaul>retrospectacus: you need to be talking gigs and we are slightly offtopic
17:09<ompaul>retrospectacus: some kind of pastebin would be a better idea
17:09<ompaul>if you want to do community stuff
17:09<o11c>apt-file search doesn't show asm/socket.h for x86 target on amd64 host
17:09<sney`>o11c: there is some tomfoolery currently going on in testing/sid with headers I believe
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17:10<sney`>#debian-next is the place to take those questions
17:10<o11c>ah sorry
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17:11<o11c>with this many users the topic went off the top of the screen, and irssi only shows the first line worth of the topic
17:11<sney`>yep no worries
17:11<ompaul>o11c: you can do /topic in your own windows
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17:12<TikFA>good evening! may I kindly ask a question regarding an error I'm getting : "warning: fms start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB" ?
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17:12<daemonkeeper>You are having an old legacy init script
17:12<sney`>TikFA: that's a warning. if your initscript is otherwise working as expected it can be ignored, however you should bring it up to current standards eventually
17:13<TikFA>it doesn't work unfortunately.
17:13<sney`>is it from apt or did you install it from somewhere else?
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17:14<TikFA>it's the start at boot time flash media streaming server script
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17:18<TikFA>sney` : any ideas in regards to what I should change in order for it to work ?
17:18<sney`>open the init script and another one, look at them side by side, and edit the fms one to match
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17:21<TikFA>sney` : and after that "insserv fms" ?
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17:25<TikFA>no good unfortunately
17:25<TikFA>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (3 4 5) of script `fms' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5).
17:25<TikFA>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 6) of script `fms' overwrites defaults (1).
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17:28<sney`>TikFA: but does it work? again, those are warnings - not necessarily errors. check 'netstat -l' to see if your server is listening
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17:31<TikFA>sney` : its not. and thanks for your patience!
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18:12<stephankn>I need some advice how to debug a problem. My php script no longer creates transparent images using GD. The only thing I remember that has changed was aptitude upgrade. That switched to apache 2.2.16-6+squeeze2
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18:12<stephankn>can I somehow see what was changed by the upgrade? did it touch any configs? /etc/apache2 looks unchanged based on the timestamps.
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18:24<SeriousSam_>HI there! I have a very simple code. But why it output nothing on screen? Please anybody explain me. Thanks in advance.
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18:25<SeriousSam_>There is a link:
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18:25<portaro>serioussam probably your code dont calls correct to the graficmode execute him in terminal for return porblems
18:26<lindi->stephankn: /var/log/dpkg.log shows the upgraded packages. /usr/share/doc/${packagename}/changelog.Debian.gz shows what it changed
18:27<lindi->stephankn: do the images have white background now?
18:27<SeriousSam_>portaro: please look at my code. If I write just "for" loop it works
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18:28<SeriousSam_>In this state it does not write anything on the screen and array is empty
18:28<themill>SeriousSam_: perhaps you wanted #bash here or on
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18:28<lindi->SeriousSam_: I would suggest you use something else than bash indeed
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18:29<lindi->SeriousSam_: simply because not many users know bash specific features well
18:29<stephankn>lindi-: thanks for your answer. Sorry, I'm a bit too unspecific. I already know it did fix CVE-2011-3192. But what script was actually executed? Is the script available somewhere? Do I have to uncompress a deb file?
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18:29<SeriousSam_>Ok, thanks
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18:30<stephankn>lindi-: the image have a black background. probably because I did $transparent = imagecolorallocatealpha( $img, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 127 );
18:30<lindi->stephankn: what do you mean by script?
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18:31<lindi->stephankn: shows what happens on upgrade
18:31<stephankn>lindi-: I would imagine that apt is calling a bunch of scripts during the installation of a package. Is it not? I worked last week. Then I installed the security fix. This week it's no longer working.
18:31<lindi->stephankn: it's dpkg
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18:32<lindi->stephankn: but yes, it does run files from both the old and new package on upgrade. that page visualizes it
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18:33<stephankn>lindi-: looks like information i can check. Still have no idea why it stopped working. cli of PHP works, from inside apache no longer :-(
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18:33<stephankn>my best guess was that some config files got changed during the upgrade
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18:34<themill>stephankn: apache also gets restarted which means that config file changes that were made but not applied will now take effect.
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18:36<stephankn>themill: good point. file modification dates on /etc/apache2 are older than uptime. So I think this does not apply...
18:36<themill>this applies to php5 config files too
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18:38<stephankn>themill: can't be sure about php5.ini. I had played with the memory limit (increasing from 128M to 256M to test it). I diffed the php.ini version of CLI gainst the apache version. looks not much different. I can try exchanging them...
18:39<themill>the -c option may be useful
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18:40<stephankn>even better than renaming the files. thanks for the hint
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18:43<stephankn>calling php with the ini file of the apache version produces correct output. So it's not the ini file....
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19:01<stephankn>the squeeze2 version replaced a lot of mod_*.so modules. looks unchanged. Could someone do me a favor and try the php script on their server? preferably running apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.16-6+squeeze2
19:02<stephankn>is located here: and should display a transparent 256x256 image with a yellow box in the upper left corner.
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19:13<themill>stephankn: works fine here
19:14<stephankn>any idea how to proceed with tracking down this? I'm running out of ideas. Maybe I focus too much on apache... But that was my first idea as it looks so much related...
19:15<themill>it's more likely to be php (php-gd) related
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19:16<stephankn>themill: it's working fine when called from the command line. Even when using the php.ini used with apache.
19:18<themill>stephankn: you're sure it's not your browser lying to you about this? caching or proxying in the road making life hard?
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19:21<stephankn>themill: yes. it's not the browser. Can rename the script to something new and have the same result
19:22<stephankn>could it be some other module in the output chain corrupting the png data?
19:23<stephankn>My browser is sending Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, but can this affect PNGs?
19:25<themill>stephankn: not that I've ever seen. Have you tried #php here or ##php on They might have some clue.
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19:27<stephankn>themill: I tried #php before but got no answer. also asked in a web forum specialized in php and gd.
19:28<themill>php and gd are an unholy mess at the best of times and Debian's php-gd tends to be even more annoying. I'd definitely be looking at a local configuration difference there. Perhaps setting up a virtual machine in which to play would help
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19:32<stephankn>themill: could help, but honestly I don't have much ideas of what setting to change. A local ubuntu does not show the problem. Maybe would need to replicate the server setup locally bit by bit until it fails.
19:34<stephankn>I hoped that by isolating the problem as only occurring inside apache the solution would be there already. maybe I should try a shutdown -r and see if it's still there...
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19:57<stephankn>this worked last week, now it produces a black background. Works fine from CLI. Can it be caused by a side-effect of the CVE-2011-3192? running apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.16-6+squeeze2
19:58<stephankn>ups, wrong channel. should go to #httpd on freenode...
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20:44<gpf>hello all
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20:48<gpf>i have recently installed Debian Squeeze from a DVD on my 'i386' laptop. Installation disc name is indeed "Debian i386 1", however if I type 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease' it displays '2.6.32-5-amd64', same message once GRUB starts. Is that OK? I mean, my computer is not amd-64 architeture.
20:48<gpf>kind regards
20:49<sney`>gpf: what's the output of uname -m?
20:49<sney`>your computer is amd64 architecture
20:50<akerl>gpf: Have you done anything since the install?
20:50<sney`>you're running a 32-bit system with a 64-bit kernel.
20:50<gpf>but how is it possible to install by using "Debian i386 1"?
20:50<gpf>i see. that's a surprise indeed
20:51<sney`>I think even the i386 installer includes the 64-bit kernel now. not sure why, but it's not going to break anything unless you need to build something weird with module-assistant
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20:51<sney`>you can install the i386 kernel manually with 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686'
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20:52<sney`>how much memory is in that system?
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20:53<sney`>I wonder if the installer leans towards the 64-bit kernel when more than 3.x GB is present
20:53<sney`>weird that it wouldn't even inform you, though.
20:53<gpf>it didn't
20:53<gpf>thing is I had OpenSUSE installed previously
20:53<gpf>and it was i386 version
20:54<gpf>not a complaint, after all Debian is running fast and stable... which is even more strange, in my opinion
20:55<gpf>please, do you think this would become an issue somehow?
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20:55<sney`>gpf: I think it will be fine.
20:56<gpf>sney': ok, I really appreciate your help
20:56<gpf>thanks a lot
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21:07<gpf>akerl: nothing besides installing Icedove and Postgres8.4
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21:28<lisa7>lenny->squeeze installer regression on my laptop. the kernel nonsensically loads the "floppy" module (there is no floppy), and installation is stalled indefinitely with errors mentioning "fd0"
21:29<lisa7>for the netinst cdrom, is there a magic incantation to prevent loading of the "floppy" module?
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21:43<amdgoon>lisa7: is the floppy device off in the bios?
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21:48<lisa7>turns out i'm NOT exempt from reading the fine documentation ;) item 5.2.4 of the Installation Guide
21:49<lisa7>amdgoon: dunno
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21:54<amdgoon>sounds like the bios is telling the kernel the floppy device is there
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21:58<lisa7>yeah, but i didnt have to care in lenny. right now i cant look at the bios setup because it's installering
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22:02<squiddly>Hi guys - quick question: I have a debian server running lighttpd/php/mysql, I need to install a mail server so that php scripts can send mail from the server via the php mail() function. All other mail is handled by another server. Can you reccomend a simple mailserver to install? I have done some googling and I think I should be OK if I only install sendmail of postfix?
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22:06<nevyn>send it to the other mailserver
22:08<squiddly>hmm. I cant relay it, I need it to send the actual emails..
22:08<akerl>exim :-)
22:09<squiddly>ok, thanks. looking into it now :)
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22:36<aussa>hi, when I boot my system I don't get to the "slim" screen where I log in, but a black screen appears, with a white line on the top left corner, then, the only option I have is to go to tty1 through ctrl + alt + f1, I installed nvidia graphic drivers yesterday through a script called sgfxi or something like that, its installation was succesful, I did not see any problems, any clue what the problem is??? I use squeeze
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22:47<aussa>I'm using irssi, is there a way to use the commandline without leaving irc??
22:48<akerl>aussa: screen? Or a new terminal?
22:50<aussa>mmm... I don't know, I just don't want to leave irssi everytime I want to do something...
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22:51<akerl>Both those things are answers
22:52<akerl>Either run irssi in screen, or ctrl-alt-f#
22:53<aussa>mmm....ok, question: what is the difference between tty#'s ??
22:54<akerl>They're different.
22:54<akerl>They all function identically. Their main difference is that they have different numbers in their name
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22:57<aussa>can I have several irc channels open using irssi?
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23:06<aussa>hi, after install nvidia graphics drivers through a script called sgfxi, now, at boot instead of getting to the "slim" login screen, I get to a black screen, what could be the problem??
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23:45<aussa>hi, after install nvidia graphics drivers through a script called sgfxi, now, at boot instead of getting to the "slim" login screen, I get to a black screen, what could be the problem??
23:49<anbe>aussa, could be your problem
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23:54<anbe>what does 'ld --version' say? if it starts with 'GNU gold', uninstall the binutils-gold package and rebuild the nvidia kernel module and retry ...
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23:59<anbe>besides that, why don't you use the Debian packages? nvidia-glx from wheezy is current, integrates well in Debian and works around e.g. the problem
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