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00:16<dajhorn>On most of the http mirrors, why does dists/squeeze/Contents-amd64.gz (et al) show an accurate file size but dists/wheezy/Contents-amd64.gz show zero size?
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00:39<TheHunter1337>anyone here proficient in python?
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00:54<wols>aussa: the problem is installing it via sgfxi. ask the provider of this thing for support not us. I still don't get what went wrong with your debian .debs
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04:00<clad>Hello, I dunno if I am in the right channel for that: I have been working on a small 2D game for a while that is starting to get (a little) popular. I never really bothered with other OS than windows before and know nothing of linux. However, since it turns out all the libs I use are available on linux, and I have some users asking, I was wondering where to start to package my software to make it available to linux user ?
04:01<clad>It needs to be made a .deb for maximum convenience for debian as I have seen... Any place to start as to how to package in .deb ?
04:01<valdyn>clad: first of all you need to make it compile, dont you?
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04:01<clad>Actually it's Python so not really, it should work as is as long as the correct libs are available
04:02<dpkg>Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at
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04:02<valdyn>clad: theres probably some scripts too, that make packaging python stuff easier - I wouldn't know about those
04:03<clad>I had a look at that but it seemed to be intended for people already with a good knowledge of linux (and computers in general)
04:03<valdyn>clad: sure
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04:03<valdyn>clad: bad idea to package something without that knowledge
04:03<valdyn>clad: just gives bad quality packages
04:05<valdyn>clad: theres things like checkinstall that create rudimentary packages, *but* those packages arent well suited for publication, they may work ok for someone doing this for himself only
04:05<clad>I'm only a regular user with little computer skills outside of python and SDL, I am afraid I don't have the background enough to comprehend that. So you are saying that distributing a .deb is not trivial at all no matter what and I should not try it myself ?
04:05<valdyn>clad: not exactly
04:06<wols>valdyn: what would be wrong with simply "depend" on a few pertinent libs, python and done?
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04:06<valdyn>clad: but if all youre prepared to do is running a command like checkinstall to package the game, might aswell not do it
04:06<valdyn>wols: probably
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04:06<clad>Well, I am prepared to do a lot of things, as long as I can do them under windows
04:06<wols>clad: there are 20000 packages in debian alone, so it's not too hard to do obviously
04:07<valdyn>clad: on windows in a virtual machine, yes
04:07<wols>clad: you can't. get virtualbox and install the distro of your choice there to package
04:08<valdyn>clad: theres the python-stdeb package that you might want to look into
04:08<clad>I am googling that, seems like what I need
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04:08<clad>Thanks valdyn
04:10<clad>Another question. Basically, a .deb is just my project files + name of the package needed. Can I assume that every deb-based distro will understand "python3" and "sdl", and not need to make a different deb for all distro based on it, or is it assuming too much ?
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04:10<valdyn>clad: its assuming to much
04:11<valdyn>clad: you need to depend on packages that your game needs
04:11<valdyn>clad: those are in many cases the same packages
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04:13<valdyn>clad: like "python3" and "python-pygame" for debian, that might match ubuntu etc
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04:14<clad>Reading about distributing linux package, I really like the idea, must be very convenient for users, no wonder you're getting so popular. But for the hobbyist coder, what a nightmare !
04:14<valdyn>clad: but as far as i can see debian sid even does not have python3 based pygame yet
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04:15<valdyn>clad: for a hobbies coder distributing a tarball and dependencies in a README isnt all that bad
04:15<clad>Can't I just statically link what is not available into my .deb or is it considered malpractice ?
04:16<valdyn>clad: nah, you can do that
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04:16<valdyn>clad: but dont just put files in there that try to replace files that exist on any debian system
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04:17<valdyn>clad: for example, skype ships 2 packages, one statically linked, one using the system qt libraries
04:18<clad>In debian for instance I would need to instruct the system to put it into /usr/lib/mygame/lib-i-want.a, and then instruct my game to use it only if lib-i-want is not available in the system already. As a failsafe sort of.
04:19<valdyn>clad: except you cant do that
04:19<valdyn>clad: err nvm, you *can* do that
04:19<clad>I'm pretty sure python would let me do that
04:19<valdyn>clad: but just dont do it... nothing wrong with using your own shipped stuff
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04:20<valdyn>clad: python yes, but your pygame depends on libsdl libraries. You might not want to modify pygame source code
04:20<valdyn>clad: dependencies work recursively....
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04:21<vss>hello. what's up with evolution not obeying gnome theme in wheezy and displaying notifications like it's running on the latest ubuntu instead?
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04:21<valdyn>vss: theres gnome2 and gnome3, transition is going on
04:21<valdyn>vss: maybe your evolution is the old one?
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04:22<clad>Also, it's probably a very stupid question, but if my project eventually get enough popularity, can I assume that since it's open source, people from the debian project and other distro will spontaneously start packaging themselves ? Or do I eventually need to recruit people myself for doing so ?
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04:22<valdyn>clad: anything possible, doesnt hurt to ask for help or file an rfp bug
04:22<grummund>Does having group write permission on a directory not let you chmod a sub-dir within it? i get "Operation not permitted"
04:23<vss>valdyn: i updated yesterday but nevermind. is there a way how i can stay on gnome2? I am surprised that only evolution started to act this way, everything else is running as it should.
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04:23<clad>And a final question before I stop bothering you, what's your view on releasing into "public domain" ? Is it considered "free software" ?
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04:24<valdyn>vss: "apt-cache policy evolution", tell us the version
04:24<valdyn>clad: im not sure about that legal status
04:24<valdyn>clad: you can release it for anyone to assume copyright by mistake..
04:25<clad>Back in the Amiga days, we all released as public domain, but seems like no one does that anymore, and I don't know why licenses like GPL are prefered, seems like "less" freedom to me, butmaybe I didnt get the point
04:25<valdyn>clad: better use an mit or apache or bsd license when you want complete freedom for your users and 3rd parties
04:25<vss>valdyn: Installed: 3.0.2-1
04:26<clad>If someone wants to improve it and put a copyright on its improvement, I don't see the problem really, it's their work after all, they can do whatever they want with it. Beside, it is very unlikely
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04:28<Mint>it's quite poorly defined with "public domain" though, as opposed to having a clearly defined list of rights and licenses with MIT or Apache
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04:30<clad>I tried reading the GPL3. I have nothing against the spirit on it, but released something under a license I don't fully understand seems like a bad idea to me
04:31<clad>It's like putting money on share derivative you don't really understand the intrinsic value of.
04:31<lindi->clad: some understanding is required indeed
04:32<clad>One thing I like though is that you need to distribute the source with the software. Seems very sensible idea. However with python that problem doesnt really exist.
04:32<weasel>yes it does
04:32<Mint>Well, any language can be compiled
04:33<Mint>Just because it's interpreted currently doesn't mean that there won't be a JIT compiler or something created later on
04:33<clad>Well, I tried to distribute a single .exe blob with everything but the assets to make is more simple for user and never ever found a satisfactory way to do so
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04:33<weasel>I know people who only give out python stuff after freezing it.
04:34<lindi->clad: I've seen generated python code
04:34<lindi->clad: where the real source is a glade file describing the UI
04:35<grummund>Should a user who is member of group 'staff' have sufficient priviledge to run 'make install' to /usr/local ?
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04:36<grummund>i get "Operation not permitted" -
04:37<weasel>you can still copy stuff there.
04:37<weasel>if your make install wants to mess with directories it doesn't own that's a bug in the makefile
04:37<grummund>right, well that was my question...
04:37<weasel>weasel@valiant:/usr/local$ find -type d -ls | grep r-s
04:37<weasel> 1521 4 drwxr-sr-x 3 root staff 4096 Aug 14 23:02 ./lib/site_ruby
04:37<weasel> 1522 4 drwxr-sr-x 3 root staff 4096 Aug 14 23:02 ./lib/site_ruby/1.8
04:37<weasel>703243 4 drwxr-sr-x 3 root staff 4096 Aug 11 18:21 ./share/zsh
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04:37<babilen>grummund: You might want to make use of stow -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage
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04:37<Mint>especially seeing as its the /usr/local/lib directory and not a subdir
04:37<weasel>I wonder if these are bugs tho
04:38<wols>a makefile shouldn't chmod system directories it didn't create
04:38<wols>and only an owner of a file can chmod it
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04:39<clad>Oh well, you probably know better. I'm really lost with today's new stuff, the only thing I really ever mastered is 68K machine language and ASM, where those question of what is a source code and what is a binary don't really apply
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04:39<grummund>i'm not the pacakage maintainer, btw.
04:40<grummund>But typically, would it be reasonable to assume that 'staff' group priv should allow a user to run "make install" if the package has been ./configure'd to /usr/local ?
04:40<grummund>and if not, then the makefile is buggy?
04:41<clad>Recently some young guy even referred to C as "low level language"...
04:41<wols>clad: it is and always was. just cause lots of stupid people use it as an application programming language doesn't change that
04:42<wols>grummund: a makefile which tries to change permissions of a systems folder it didn't create, is buggy, yes
04:42<Mint>clad: you can't deny it has some serious low-level access if it needs it
04:42<wols>C was designed to write a kernel. how more low level can you egt?
04:42<Mint>wols: bootloader?
04:42<clad>Once upon a time we strongly discouraged people to ever use C because it's much too high level and therefore have serious performance issue
04:43<wols>clad: we did not
04:43<wols>possibly applicable to C++, but never to C
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04:43<clad>Believe me, when you have 16K of memory and less than a mhz available, C makes for some very crappy performances
04:44<Zaba>it does not
04:44<wols>clad: checked on what the first unix (for which C was developed) used as hardware?
04:44<Zaba>C has no performance, only its implementations do
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04:45<wols>and as Zaba said, your surround libs (crt1.o and such) might be too big, but never C code itself
04:45<wols>tho yes, it is bigger than hand tuned assembler
04:45<Zaba>the compiler is the implementation
04:45<Zaba>and a C compiler != C
04:46<clad>Well, I can tell you C was probably the highest level language I knew at the time, and it seemed to be like a monstruous overblown thing that no one should ever use under any circumstances
04:47<Zaba>then you definitely weren't very long-sighted
04:47<Zaba>preferring to write completely unportable software and all
04:47<Mint>I suppose back then there was only 1 hardware platform?
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04:47<clad>Only with the ST and Amiga did it start to be a sensible choice for home computers, and even then you need to rewrite A LOT of the generated code, destroying most of the time gained by using it.
04:48<clad>(and portability in the process)
04:49<wols>clad: the pdp-7 (where unix and C were developed for) had a 4k-64k 18bit word memory...
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04:50<wols>vss: welcome to testing. enjoy your stay and don't mind the broken toys on the floor. you get to keep them after all
04:50<d0ct0r>vss: how did you get rid of the icons at the right of the clock?
04:51<vss>d0ct0r : i just moved clock to the right and that was it
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04:53<vss>wols: i know that testing is just... testing, but from where does evolution take a theme like that i have no idea. it just looks like a nightmare from ubuntu world. every other application is working a ok
04:54<clad>wols, I entered contest on the ST on who can have the most sprites on screen without any hardware upgrade. I never seen anyone using C, and I would have seriously laughed if someone had.
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04:56<Mint>clad: well that's clearly a competition for performance on a specific platform
04:56<wols>clad: you cannot compare hobbyist level C compilers on a home computer to a current compiler like intel C. there aren't many assembly coders out there anymore who can consistently write better code than the intel compiler. especially in reasonable time
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04:58<vss>wols: intel c, the one that makes amd processor look intentionally bad?
04:58<clad>Today yes. I don't thin the human mind can ever comprehend the whole of a current gen GPU the way we used to know some computer's custom chips inside out, so relying on a higher level compiler is the only choice. But it hasnt always been like that.
04:58*babilen recommends #debian-offtopic
04:59<wols>vss: yes the same. it still produces the fastest code you can find for x86
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05:00<clad>I remember doing things like using the keyboard's buffer memory to store my variables, and a friend of mine even stopped the floppy reader to use the processing power of its integrated chip.
05:00<vss>wols: ...on selected processors
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05:02<clad>There was even a project to virtualise a C64 using the similar controller chip located into the Amiga's keyboard logic (very similar CPU), way way way back before virtualbox and stuff.
05:03<clad>I don't know if that's even doable in C
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05:04<babilen>clad: #debian-offtopic please -- We even have coffee!
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05:04<clad>Oh, sorry, thanks babilen
05:04<wols>don't bother. it's awful. they're stingy with the beans
05:04<peterS>I hope they don't have kawfee
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05:06<wols>worse. Muckefuck (no, that's not profanity, it's what's "Ersatz"coffee is called here colloquially)
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05:07<Mint>wols: is that actually pronounced muck-ee-fuck?
05:08<wols>Mint: german pronounciation, so yes
05:08<Mint>ahh I see
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05:09<wols>various grains and succory mostly. "popular" right after WW2
05:09<wols>and in WW2 too I guess
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05:20<twenty_>Hi !
05:20<twenty_>Is there somebody ?
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05:30<twenty_>i was on another terminal
05:30<twenty_>exuse for my english i'm french
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05:32<twenty_>I installed Squeeze on a laptop
05:32<twenty_>(Sony VPCYB1S1E)
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05:32<twenty_>but the touchpad is not detected
05:33<twenty_>I don't know how to solve the problem
05:34<twenty_>my administration skills are very limited
05:34<onryo>Of all the soft-phones out there Jitsi seems by far the best. I really like that is has real encryption too. Is there a reason its not in the Debian Packets? I will only use pure FOSS programs. How do I know if a program is 100% FOSS?
05:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
05:36<wols>onryo: you only know when you look at its license
05:36<onryo>This is the program I am talking about.
05:36<twenty_>There are nobody on the french room
05:36<onryo>hello wols
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05:38<onryo>wols says this but I am not really sure that this means it is 100% FOSS. Jitsi is Open Source / Free Software, and is available under the terms of the LGPL.
05:38<lamby_>is there a way of reading eml files on debian other than evolution? some numpty sent me an attachment from outlook and I can't read it
05:38<Mint>twenty: paste lspci into
05:39<twenty_>Sorry Mint, i'm in the terminal mode
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05:40<Mint>ah, well can you see the touchpad in the output of lspci?
05:40<twenty_>i can't use my desktop environment
05:40<Mint>lamby: they should be standard email files that you can open with nano/pico/vi
05:41<lamby_>Mint: the are but how do i read the base64 encoded attachment?
05:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
05:42<lamby_>Mint: I'm not the terminator ;-)
05:42<wols>you can still paste without desktop environment
05:42<wols>use pastebinit instead
05:42<wols>base64 can easily be decoded
05:43<Mint>lamby: true enough! you could always copy it into a file and decode it
05:43<lamby_>wols: which command do I need to raed the man page for?
05:43<lamby_>Mint: if I try openening it it gnome it tries to fire up evolution. maybe that's my best bet
05:44<twenty_>I don't see the touchpad in the output of lspci..but i try to send you the ouput with the program pastebinit
05:44<Mint>lamby: I don't use X very often so I can't really help you there I'm afraid
05:45<wols>lamby_: man base64, part of gnu coreutils
05:45<lamby_>Mint: me neither. but evolution sounds like an outlook clone to me which is something that doesn't interest me. I'm more a mutt person
05:45<lamby_>wols: ta
05:45<wols>twenty_: use lsusb instead. touchpads are rarely pci devices
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05:46<Mint>lamby_: have you tried thunderbird/icedove
05:47<tnnnS>wols: are you 100% positive that a working touchpad will show in lsusb/lspci? Mine seems to be missing... but it still works.
05:47<lamby_>Mint: i use thunderbird on my work pc which is windows. generally i use gmail. the person sent it from their outlook to my gmail account. even google can't read it so i thought i might try and read it on this laptop which runs debian. i may as well just wait till monday when i can use thunderbird to open it or get them to print the darn thing out
05:48<Mint>tnnnS: my laptop's touchpad is classed as a ps/2 device, but it is pretty retro
05:48<wols>tnnnS: not 100%. e.g you can attach it via rs232c I guess, but only for very old hardware
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05:49<themill>,info xdeview
05:49<judd>Package xdeview (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Smart multi-file multi-part decoder (X11 GUI). Version: 0.5.20-3.2; Size: 67.3k; Installed: 232k
05:49<wols>yes ps/2 too. basically anything a mouse would use
05:49<themill>Mint: ^^ might be useful
05:49<__Alex_>My Netbook's Touchpad classes as a PS/2 too, evem if the Netbook's from 2010
05:49<lamby_>themill: looks very interesting. thanks. of course if people used standards compliant email programs..... !
05:49<Mint>themill: thanks for that, I've not seen that before!
05:50<babilen>lamby_: The output of "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices", "xinput list" (you have to install xinput for that to work), "synclient -l" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be of interest too. It is probably best to run "script touchpad_problem.txt" and then the commands. (use "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" to "show" this file) You can exit the script mode with CTRL-d and paste the file with "pastebinit -b ...
05:50<babilen>... touchpad_problem.txt"
05:51<twenty_>I just send the output of lsusb (
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05:53<twenty_>ok i will send you the output of the above command, thanks in advance
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05:57<lamby_>themill: that program worked. but has the UI that only its mother could love
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05:57<Mint>haha, sounds like most powerful utils
05:58<lamby_>Mint: as a command line util it would look better. lets put it that way. well at least im back in business
05:59<twenty_>sorry, the command egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices
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05:59<themill>lamby_: there is also a cli version of the program
05:59<twenty_>give no ouput
05:59<themill>,info uudeview
05:59<judd>Package uudeview (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Smart multi-file multi-part decoder (command line). Version: 0.5.20-3.2; Size: 48.5k; Installed: 124k
05:59<lamby_>themill: i think i'd prefer that one to be fair.
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06:00<tnnnS>twenty_: Have you seen this url: ?
06:00<twenty_>No, i haven't seen it
06:00<twenty_>thank you
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06:02<babilen>twenty_: You are better advised to read (linked from ranjith's post)
06:02<tnnnS> can post url to ubuntuforums here...? :O ;)
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06:04<tnnnS>anyway, I'd start by greping through Xorg.log looking for 'PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with' - if it's there this solution might help.
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06:05<twenty_>ok i read the web pages ... i have to use ekinks...
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06:16<twenty_>Just a question , how can i append boot parameters with GRUB2 ?
06:17<towo`>write them in /etc/default/grub
06:17<towo`>after that do update-grub
06:18<twenty_>Ok thank you.
06:19<twenty_>Do i modify the variable "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" or "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX"?
06:20<towo`>i allways use "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX"
06:22<twenty_>thank you
06:22<twenty_>i try to reboot
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06:32<twenty>Thank you very much
06:32<twenty>The touchpad works
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06:33<twenty>Have a nice day
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06:41<lastnode>how much disk space should i budget for a deb squeeze install with apache + mysql?
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06:42<OpenTokix>With zero data and static files
06:42<OpenTokix>for the actual web-application
06:43<wols>OpenTokix: why so much?
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06:43<Mint>My home server uses 3.77GiB for root and that's with plenty of junk on
06:43<OpenTokix>wols: Because disk i cheep, and the basic install is about 2G, taking in account of the apt-cache growth etc. etc.
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06:44<lastnode>thanks OpenTokix
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07:02<jaco>im using dual monitor and it shows the primary screen on the two of them even when is booting. do i have to configure the config file or what. i use raedons driver
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07:06<valdyn>jaco: you can use xrandr
07:06<valdyn>jaco: and you can probably do it the old way via xorg.conf
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07:32<CaBa_>in genereral (not debian specific) - is it "legal" when a RDNSS / DHCP6 assigns a link-local IP as DNS server?
07:32<CaBa_>and if so, how? does the client attach an interface identifier himself, depending on what interface he got the assignment?
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07:38<weasel>good question.
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08:14<aussa>hi, is there a support channel for sgfxi script?? I used it to install the nvidia drivers, and now X is not working...
08:16<towo`>#smxi on freenode?
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08:17<aussa>ok ty, is it
08:17<towo`>aussa, and let me oracle, you use sid?
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08:18<towo`>nvm, smxi is not supportet in debian
08:18<aussa>ok, how do I unistall it o solve this thing??
08:18<towo`>who knows?
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08:19<towo`>no one knows, what smxi is doing in your system
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08:20<aussa>ok, I'm going to the sxmi channel... ty
08:20<zeropiel>Trying to make madwifi. Missing /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build. Can I fix this with a package?
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08:22<anbe>zeropiel, linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
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08:27<zeropiel>I'm guessing there is no support for making or installing madwifi here?
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08:28<ComradeHaz`>Hey all, what's the best way to file system check an ext3 volume? Do I just use fsck and specify the type or is there a better way of calling the check? I seem to recall there is. Second, how can I check the partitions I want to check actually are ext3?
08:29<CaBa_>call e2fsck
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08:30<wols>fsck /dev/sdXY is all you need
08:30<ComradeHaz`>fsck assumes ext2 though
08:30<wols>and you can run file on your filesystems or check how they are mounted
08:30<ComradeHaz`>running just that on an ext3 fs would be Bad
08:30<CaBa_>how comes?
08:31<wols>ComradeHaz`: why do you think so?
08:31<ComradeHaz`>No, CaBa_, I think you're right.
08:31<ComradeHaz`>wols, I fear may be incorrect.
08:31<wols>ComradeHaz`: fsck calls e2fsck fyi
08:31<CaBa_>and e2fsck is for ext2/3/4
08:31<ComradeHaz`>Is that incorrect then?
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08:32<Zaba>fsck will try to call the correct fsck for the actual filesystem
08:32<ComradeHaz`>(I am asking genuinely here, by the way, not being confrontational :) )
08:32<Zaba>see man fsck
08:32<wols>considering you can mount any ext3 filesystem as ext2... and considering ext3 uses the exact sile e2fsprogs as ext2 does...
08:32<ComradeHaz`>A'ight, cheers.
08:32<lindi->ComradeHaz`: that is from 2005, does not specify distro or name of author?
08:33<CaBa_>in an unmounted state there is practically no difference between ext2 and 3 - i dont think that blog post was ever true
08:34<wols>and it would be very foolish to fsck a mounted filesystem too
08:34<ComradeHaz`>lindi-: Valid point.
08:36<zeropiel>how can i tell what version of gcc/gpp was used to build my kernel?
08:36<wols>uname -a tells you
08:36<wols>usually :(
08:37<wols>zeropiel: if it's a debian kernel, it uses the gcc current for this debian version
08:37<zeropiel>wols: so apt-get install allways gets the correct package
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08:38<wols>correct for what?
08:39<zeropiel>correct for building modules etc. for my system?
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08:39<zeropiel>like madwifi.
08:39<wols>usually yes. and why would you want madwifi which was deprecated years ago?
08:39<wols>does it even still compiled under current kernels?
08:40<zeropiel>appearently not. Its conflicting with at least one header.
08:40<wols>!tell zeropiel about errors
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08:40<wols>note how the kernel comes with its own headers. doesn't use system headers
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08:41<zeropiel>want to try madwifi because my wifi keeps dropping. Only thing that helps is to power down and take out the battery. Could be hw I suppose, but I wanted to try.
08:41<wols>zeropiel: which kernel version? and which atheros chip?
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08:42<zeropiel>Linux tosh 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:42:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:42<zeropiel>14:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
08:42<wols>this one was compiled with gcc 4.4 which ships with squeeze
08:43<wols>madwifi is probably too old to be compiled under current kernels anymore
08:43<zeropiel>yeah. Don't think I'll be making madwifi.
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08:43<wols>have you tried a backports kernel yet?
08:43<dpkg>ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCIe device support, ask me about <ath9k>.
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08:44<wols>babilen: .39 might have work done on ath5k since .32 (if we are lucky)
08:44<anbe>wols, I think that kernel is compiled with gcc 4.3
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08:44<anbe># dpkg -s linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 | grep gcc
08:44<anbe>Depends: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common (= 2.6.32-35), linux-kbuild-2.6.32, gcc-4.3
08:44<wols>I know that ath9k does
08:45<wols>,versions gcc-4.3
08:45<judd>Package gcc-4.3 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.5-4
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08:45<wols>anbe: you are probably right. didn't know there was gcc-4.3 in squeez still
08:46<babilen>zeropiel: Could you give us the line for your ar5001 card from the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network"
08:47<zeropiel>4:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
08:47<ComradeHaz`>Um, guys, I was expecting fsck to fully scan my disks when I run it, rather like those checks that run every 30 mounts or so. What am I missing here?
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08:51<wols>what checks that run ever 30 minutes?
08:51<zeropiel>hey said: mounts
08:51<wols>fsck checks your filesystems for logical inconsistencies, that's what it's supposed to do
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09:13<sirEgghead>howdy. i'm running squeeze on a core i5 with an intel board as well. i'm pretty new to intel graphics, but from what i understand the graphics is integrated. anyway i'm having trouble getting it to work well enough to not freeze or lag
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09:13<sirEgghead>system runs great other than the graphics
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09:14<nevyn>sirEgghead: stop trying to use compiz or fancy 3d games
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09:14<sirEgghead>nevyn, i'm not
09:14<sirEgghead>nevyn, neither one
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09:14<nevyn>dunno then.
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09:15*mshuler 's i5 with intel gpu (thinkpad x201) "Just Works"
09:16<sirEgghead>mshuler, i had this problem on a core 2 duo system i built and also a core i3
09:16<mshuler>sirEgghead: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that is interesting? or ~/.xsession-errors?
09:17<sirEgghead>mshuler, i've always been pretty fail with xorg logs, but i didn't see anything that flagged my attention when i looked through there
09:18<sirEgghead>mshuler, nothing good in .xsession-errors. just some ssl errors probably due to my iptables config
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09:22<sirEgghead>mshuler, Xorg.0.log fpaste ->
09:22<sirEgghead>mshuler, err...pastebin
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09:24<themill>sirEgghead: the intel drivers from squeeze-backports (and perhaps also a newer kernel from the same repostitory) are well worth it for i{3,5,7} on-board graphics.
09:25<sirEgghead>themill, alrighty. i got the backports repo active. do you mean the xserver-xorg-video-intel package?
09:26<sirEgghead>themill, and i think i got the kernel from there as well. i know i installed the bigmem kernel
09:26<sirEgghead>themill, does that sound right?
09:26<themill>sirEgghead: yes, and also the rest of the xorg related things.
09:26<sirEgghead>themill, thanks for the link
09:26<sirEgghead>themill, i'll have a look
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09:27<themill>yeah, you've already got a newer kernel that should help; there's 2.6.39 too, but I think 2.6.38 has sufficient improvements for that chipset to be more happy
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09:29<sirEgghead>themill, apparently i didn't use the backports repo for the intel drivers. i didn't use the -t option when installing them :)
09:29<sirEgghead>themill, only did that with iceweasel and maybe a few others
09:30<themill>yes, that's the normal way of using backports -- you only pick the bits you know you want
09:32<sirEgghead>themill, how are the nouveau drivers on debian and intel? i remember when i was running nvidia graphics on fedora i would always blacklist the nouveau drivers for the kmod drivers
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09:43<sirEgghead>ok gonna give this a go. thanks for the help. will be back if i have more trouble
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09:55<sirEgghead>themill, still freezing up :(
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09:56<sirEgghead>i'm just using a youtube video for testing. runs without freezing on normal size, but you can see some video lag here and there. fullscreen is pretty frozen. at times i can't even esc out of it
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10:00<sirEgghead>anyone any good with intel sandy bridge video? i'm running a core i5 on an intel board. 2.6.38-bpo bigmem kernel and the squeeze-backport intel drivers. getting some pretty bad lag or freezing on my video. i'm not running any 3d games or applications nor am i running compiz
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10:08<sirEgghead>here's a pastebin of my lshw and my xorg.conf
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10:11<sirEgghead>i guess everyone is either asleep or enjoying the long weekend :)
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10:27<Mint>hmm is down for anyone else currently?
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10:27<Nik05>Mint its redirecting to
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10:31<roovel>anyone able to help out for a wine problem ?
10:32<wols>!tell roovel about ask
10:32<PIrr_>roovel: problem opening the bottle?
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10:34<roovel>"I have a problem with launching "PhotoImpression.exe"; I'm running Debian version Linux U35JC 2.6.35-30-generic #56-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 11 20:01:08 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:34<roovel>. When I try to do ___ I get the following output (~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/ArcSoft/PhotoImpression 6$ wine PhotoImpression.exe
10:34<roovel>err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap (nil)!
10:34<roovel>err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap (nil)!
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10:34<valdyn>nice one debhelper ;)
10:34<wols>so economical :)
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10:36<themill>roovel: it looks like you want #ubuntu on (or perhaps #winehq on
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10:39<roovel>ok back have been kicked pasted too much info (it s my first here)
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10:39<roovel>I have a problem with launching "PhotoImpression.exe" with Wine; I'm running Debian version Linux U35JC 2.6.35-30-generic #56-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 11 20:01:08 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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10:40<roovel>Behavior : takes time to load then popup window with abnormal program termination
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10:40<roovel>execution in terminal : ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/ArcSoft/PhotoImpression 6$ wine PhotoImpression.exe
10:40<roovel>err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap (nil)!
10:40<roovel>err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap (nil)!
10:40<roovel>err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap (nil)!
10:40<roovel>err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap (nil)!
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10:41<roovel>anyone got my early messages ?
10:41<themill>roovel: stop pasting into the channel. And it still looks like you want #ubuntu on (or perhaps #winehq on
10:42<wols>roovel: you confirm all our prejudices we have against ubuntu users
10:42<roovel>no one is at winehq
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10:42<wols>then ask #ubuntu on freenode. gazillions of people there
10:42<themill>roovel: there are 173 people there.
10:42<ricqlesice>i'm surely accorded with you themill ;)
10:43<roovel>for a newbie on the forums that s a nice welcome wols
10:43<themill>!ubuntuirc roovel
10:43<dpkg>roovel: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
10:43<roovel>i hear you. thanks.
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10:46<Nikola>can somebody helpp me with upgrade kernel i have dependencies problem between some package
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10:48<wols>!tell Nikola about bat
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10:48<Nikola>depends:linux-base (>=3) but 2.6.32.-35 is to be installed
10:49<themill>Nikola: you should be pulling these packages from
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10:50<Nikola>and i have breaks:initramfs-tools
10:50<Nikola>can you type me what to do command
10:50<Nikola>i beginner user
10:50<themill>dpkg: tell Nikola about bdo
10:50<themill>Nikola: why are you trying to install a new kernel in any case?
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10:51<Nikola>because i need to install driver for my graphic card
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10:51<Nikola>and i need new kernel for that
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10:53<wols>Nikola: sandy bridge cpu?
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10:54<wols>Nikola: do not install drivers from the intel site or anywhere else. instead, install xorg from backports as well, just like your new kernel
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11:00<Nikola>wols: i do what dpkg said i paste output in
11:00<Nikola>what now?
11:01<wols> you tell us the url you have for your paste
11:01<wols>but: themill already told you what to do
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11:02<Nikola>i do what themill said and don't work
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11:03<amarc>so if I did "apt-get install build-essential" what would be reverse action to remove all compilers from Debian ?
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11:04<wols>apt-get remove them. /var/log/apt/ and /var/log/dpkg.log keeps a log what was installed. remove those packages
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11:05<aussa>hi, when I boot I got to a terminal image in which I habe to enter my user and password... how do I get X running??
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11:06<valdyn>aussa: aptitude install xorg gdm gnome
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11:06<valdyn>aussa: or be a little more specific on what you want
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11:07<wols>aussa: install a display manager
11:07<aussa>mm.... I have xfce4, slim and Xorg installed
11:07<wols>then make sure slim is started when you boot up
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11:09<aussa>how do I know if slim is running??
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11:10<rking>What is the admin account for the cups web interface?
11:10<rking>I can't remember if it's root or cups or cupsd or admin or cupsdamin or something else entirely.
11:10<wols>aussa: ps aux |grep slim for example
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11:24<EmleyMoor>I've got a very mysterious problem with "flip-flop" being reported between two network cards in the same box, on different logical networks but the same physical one. Is there any way I can stop this happening? One has a static address, the other DHCP but with the server giving a fixed response. Is it possible to do all of this on one physical interface? To do so would be helpful, especially if it also stops the flip-flop reports.
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11:43<neowarez>czesc wam
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11:44<themill>neowarez: #debian-pl is on
11:45<blarson>rking: root works, if you have the root password
11:45<neowarez>password wery good!
11:45<themill>rking: you can also "adduser rking lpadmin" and then use your own user's credentials.
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11:47<blarson>EmleyMoor: why don't you use one card on both nets?
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11:58<opalepatrick>I need to dual-boot Vista after Debian install. Did it before with Mandriva and menu.lst, but sqeeze seems not to have this but a grub.cfg. Are there any instructions anywhere that I can work through?
11:59<wols>opalepatrick: run os-prober ?
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12:00<opalepatrick>did that, what does it do wols? :-)
12:00<sney>opalepatrick: if you have os-prober installed, run update-grub and it will automatically generate your grub menu
12:01<opalepatrick>I did run update-grub, would it be called menu.lst or something else sney?
12:01<wols>there is no more menu.lst. grub.cfg only
12:01<sney>opalepatrick: you're thinking of the way to use grub 1, but debian has grub 2. completely different configuration
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12:02<sney>you can edit the text files in /etc/grub.d/ as well as /etc/default/grub to tweak settings on your own if you want, but it should just add your windows entry automatically
12:03<opalepatrick>Thanks sney, yes I had a look at grub.cfg before and it appears to be auto-generated.
12:03<opalepatrick>Oh right
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12:03<chealer>opalepatrick: debian-installer should have found your other operating systems during the installation
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12:04<th3gh0st>does anyone know if I can install battlefield heroes on linux?
12:04<opalepatrick>Ah, debian is the first system. I want to now install the vista platform on a separate partition/harddrive
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12:04<wols>th3gh0st: is this a windows game? if so:
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12:05<chealer>opalepatrick: ah, thought you were talking about the same computer. the easiest way is to install Windows first, then Debian.
12:05<th3gh0st>yes it's a windows game. Thanks :)
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12:11<opalepatrick>ugh. I only want to install windows to play an old game (unreal tournament) with a windows 7 PC on my LAN :-)
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12:13<AzaToth>should I use pulseaudio?
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12:15<PIrr_>opalepatrick: ut runs natively under linux
12:15<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. #pulseaudio on
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12:16<AzaToth>wols: the sound situation gets me homocidial at times
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12:16<opalepatrick>I am a gaming novice PIrr_ - will I be able to host it and network with a windows machine then?
12:16<AzaToth>tried to use pulseaudio before, but then only one program could use the sound card at a time
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12:17<PIrr_>you can host a server where windows clients join and you can join a windows hosted server
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12:18<opalepatrick>THanks PIrr_ - that could save a lot of hassle
12:18<PIrr_>if you mean network shares, too, then search for samba
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12:18<opalepatrick>Yeah just someohne else on local network
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12:22<opalepatrick>PIrr_, this appears to be a windows install, are you suggesting a wine install?
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12:23<PIrr_>no, there has to be a linux installer, but I don't know if there is a debian package
12:24<PIrr_>is it the game of the year edition?
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12:24<opalepatrick>just says unreal tournament III, PIrr_
12:25<PIrr_>I saw no numbers so I assumed it's unreal tournament (without numbers)
12:26<PIrr_>ut3 was planed to be ported to linux but never was as far as I know
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12:27<Zaba>it was ported but not released
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12:27<PIrr_>Zaba: ah, didn't know
12:27<opalepatrick>Thanks PIrr_ - I am going to give it a go via wine and see what happens. You never know.
12:28<Zaba>well, not officially, but I'm fairly sure it's not technical but political issues holding it down :P
12:28<opalepatrick>Would make life for me a lot easier :-)
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12:51<rking>What's the cups admin username (for logging into the web interface)? I can't remember if it's root or cups or cupsd or admin or cupsdamin or something else entirely.
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12:54<jhutchins>rking: Are you in Debian or Ubuntu?
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12:54<rking>jhutchins: Debian.
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12:56<jhutchins>rking: What makes you think there's a special user?
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12:57<jhutchins>rking: It requires that you've enabled remote admin in the local configuration.
12:57<rking>jhutchins: So... you log in as root? I'm trying to add a new printer, and it has been over a year since I had to log in and administrate it
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12:58<rking>jhutchins: OK. Thank you.
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13:13<Olypoly>I have a laptop running windows with a samba debian server. Is there anything in debian which works like windows offline files, I want to run debian on laptop but need files from the server avaliable offline?
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13:17<jforjackjohnson>what the heck are you playing at in -offtopic?
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13:20<jforjackjohnson>jkzdfohibj r9ptun;dojbwtnb9utnhndgh
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13:21<babilen>jforjackjohnson: Stop it please.
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13:22<wols>jforjackjohnson: some sort of rsync magic perhaps
13:23<america>que xubuntu puedo instalar en una pc viejita
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13:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:24*babilen recommends #ubuntu-es over at
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13:25<bestplaya>anyone online?
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13:25<babilen>bestplaya: No, you are alone.
13:25<bestplaya>who can help me a little bit?
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13:25<bestplaya>u can awailable also
13:25<bestplaya>or no?
13:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:26<bestplaya>dont need ask
13:26<bestplaya>i need vnc help
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13:27<babilen>bestplaya: You might want to join for help in German. There is also very little we can do to help you if you don't ask a question or let us know what your problem is.
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13:29<bestplaya>its not simply..
13:29<bestplaya>i need a flash plugin install help
13:29<EmleyMoor>How does that have to do with VNC?
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13:30<bestplaya>i cant install with tar
13:30<bestplaya>im a newbie
13:30<bestplaya>doesnt work
13:30<babilen>!tell bestplaya -about flashplugin-nonfree
13:30<bestplaya>./configure make make install..
13:30<bestplaya>i did
13:30<bestplaya>doesnt work.
13:30<bestplaya>i try it many many ...
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13:31<bestplaya>apt-get... tar etc
13:31<bestplaya>i need some 64 bit *deb file
13:31<babilen>bestplaya: And please use punctuation instead of the enter key. Installing from tarballs is not necessary for most software. Adobe's flashplugin is, for example, easily installable from the Debian repositories.
13:31<bestplaya>but on Adobe site itsnot
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13:31<bestplaya>you need to copy
13:31<bestplaya>some files..
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13:32<EmleyMoor>No you don't
13:32<bestplaya>but for me its not a simply..
13:32<babilen>bestplaya: Please read the private message dpkg (our bot) sent you. You might also want to read the Debian reference and other documents to learn about linux.
13:32<bestplaya>i have mc etc..
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13:32<babilen>!tell bestplaya -about grounding
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13:33<babilen>bestplaya: You can ask dpkg about all the things in <..> -- For example "/msg dpkg reference" will cause it to tell you about the Debian reference. And *please* use punctuation in lieu of the enter key.
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13:34<bestplaya>installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically
13:34<bestplaya>NOT auto...
13:34<bestplaya>this is my problem
13:34<bestplaya>and i need vnc help..
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13:34<babilen>bestplaya: Not automatically what?
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13:34<bestplaya>like .run or .deb
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13:36<EmleyMoor>bestplaya: What happens, or clearly doesn't work, when you try?
13:36<babilen>bestplaya: You have to enable <contrib> and <non-free>, run "apt-get update" and you can easily install the flashplugin-nonfree package with "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
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13:36<bestplaya>i made it
13:37<bestplaya>but flash doesnt work..
13:37<bestplaya>i try again..
13:37<EmleyMoor>Will you stop pressing enter?
13:37<bestplaya>fuk u?
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13:37<bestplaya>go watch ut tv
13:37<bestplaya>fukin noob
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13:37<ansgar>bestplaya: Insulting people will not make them help you.
13:37-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen
13:38<babilen>bestplaya: You have been silenced for ten minutes. I would appreciate it if you do not insult people in this and other channels. You have been given clear instructions that explain how to install the flash-plugin.
13:40<zeroed>hello debian channel. I've a question about full disk encryption. I've chosen the full encryption for my installation, but now, if I want to partion my HD, maybe with a live and Gparted, this would be impossible... or at least very dangerous for my encrypted data. It's correct? Thanks in advance.
13:40<lindi->zeroed: yes
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13:42<lindi->zeroed: why are you trying to repartition?
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13:42<zeroed>lindi-: thanks. I was thinking for a second to a dual boot...
13:42<lindi->zeroed: ok, I have hit the same problem.
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13:43<zeroed>lindi-: and you have found a brilliant solution diffent from "format reinstall"?
13:43<lindi->zeroed: nope
13:43<zeroed>lindi-: ^_^ thanks... I was suspecting the same.
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13:44<lindi->zeroed: I suppose it can be done but it is certainly not documented
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13:44<lindi->zeroed: you need to first somehow resize the LVM physical volume, then the dmcrypt container, then the partition
13:44<lindi->zeroed: then create new partition after the original one
13:44<aussa>how do I make sure "slim" is open at boot?
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13:45<EmleyMoor>aussa: What's "slim"?
13:45<lindi->zeroed: if you try this, please let me know :)
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13:46<lindi->zeroed: I would very much want to have debian stable and testing installed on my laptop easily
13:46<zeroed>lindi-: It could be interesting... but this lose priority because my dual boot purpose it's 'gaming-related'
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13:50<onryo>How can I see if my VPN connection gets dropped?
13:51<EmleyMoor>onryo: we'll need more information - such as how the connection is made in the first place
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13:52<onryo>EmleyMoor, I am using openvpn . I login with my user name and pw.
13:52<onryo>EmleyMoor, not using anything a GUI. Just a bash script.
13:53<onryo>EmleyMoor, seems like its working since my IP is now from the USSR
13:53<EmleyMoor>onryo: You probably need to check the log - or perhaps tail -f it
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13:54<onryo>EmleyMoor, yeah I have been digging around in them using grep. Is there one just for vpn?
13:55<EmleyMoor>The log in this case should be specific to openvpn - not that I've ever used it, but the principle is applicable to other things too...
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13:55<onryo>EmleyMoor, been using VPN now for about 30min. The company I am working for asked me to use encrypted communications for out net meetings etc
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13:58<onryo>EmleyMoor, Yeah I would think so. Looking around /var/log now ... no joy.
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13:58<EmleyMoor>Another possibility - set up a ping across it that won't work without it
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13:59<onryo>EmleyMoor, hmmm... that sounds like a easy way of doing this.
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14:42<kristian1aul>hun, why dpkg dont know about ecryptfs?
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14:51<kristian1aul>gotcha :)
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15:06<shirish>how do I install the enlightenment desktop in debian ?
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15:09<shirish>ok, solved it. its e17 .
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15:41<jumper>Hello! Debian is my once in 1-2 days "shows" me the picture - Tell me, what logs can help me understand the causes of such failures!
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15:45<jackyf>jumper: sounds like a kernel radeon driver bug, the only thing you can do is to report a bug against your kernel, use 'reportbug' program
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15:48<kingsley>How would you diagnose why the command "$ shutdown -h -P now" brings the system down but then fails to turn off the power?
15:48<Known_problems>Mirro kernel for Debian removed ? deb squeeze main contrib non-free
15:48<Known_problems>mirror does not work
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15:49<kingsley>Known_problems: Do you get a specific error message?
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15:49<mint>kingsley: sounds like an ACPI issue. Has it ever worked on that machine?
15:49<themill>kingsley: has had some problems in the last week; I would assume they dropped their mirror and are starting afresh.
15:50<themill>Known_problems: ^^
15:50<kingsley>mint: I like your reasoning. Yes, the hardware did shutdown with a different operating system.
15:51<Known_problems>Failed to fetch Cannot initiate the connection to
15:51<kingsley>mint: s/shutdown/power off/
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15:51<themill>Known_problems: use a different mirror -- /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list
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15:52<Glanzmann>?? nvidia
15:53<mint>kingsley: you could check your grub config to make sure you don't have acpi=off in it
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15:54<kingsley>mint: I like your reasoning, and I may have more relevant info.
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15:55<kingsley>mint: The BIOS is configured to use "Power Management/APM" instead of acpi (which it seems to have mistakenly labeled "IPCA").
15:56<kingsley>mint: Would you agree that I could check my grub config to see if APM is off?
15:56<mint>kingsley: in that case edit your grub config and set acpi=off apm=on
15:58<kingsley>mint: Your suggestion seems reasonable to me.
15:58<kingsley>mint: I'm open to trying it.
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15:58<kingsley>mint: First, may I please have the benefit of any thoughts you may happen to have on...
15:59<kingsley>mint: 1.) Do you happen to know if APM is capable of turning off the power supply?
15:59<kingsley>mint: 2.) Is ACPI newer, and
15:59<kenyon>ACPI is newer
16:00<s_i_m>1) yes. 2) yes.
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16:00<kingsley>mint: 3.) Would a better option for the future be to reconfigure the BIOS to use ACPI (which is evidently misnamed as "IPCA") instead of APM?
16:00<mint>I'd stick with APM if it works
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16:02<mint>although I can't imagine it'd really make much difference either way
16:03<kingsley>mint, kenyon & s_i_m: OK, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
16:03<kenyon>I don't think any of my computers even support APM anymore
16:03<mint>I think I have an old 486 somewhere that does
16:03*kingsley often finds he benefits from other people's points of view.
16:03<kenyon>if it's a computer from the last decade, it ought to be better with ACPI, but I'm just making that up
16:04<mint>I wonder if there's a specific reason why it's disabled, buggy implementation or something
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16:08<kingsley>For what it's worth, the BIOS is dated 2004.
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16:10<kingsley>I just appended "acpi=off apm=on" to grub's kernel line and rebooted...
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16:14<kingsley>Much to my chagrin, appending "acpi=off apm=on" to grub's kernel line while booting ultimately failed to cause the machine's power to turn off.
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16:15<kingsley>Unless someone objects, I suppose I'll try reconfiguring the BIOS to use ACPI instead of APM.
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16:22<mint>did you remember to update-grub after you changed the config?
16:22*kingsley wonders if running "shutdown -h -P now" as root might do a better job of turning off the power, possibly via calling poweroff(8), than sudo, which is not configured to authorize normal users to run poweroff(8).
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16:23<mint>unless you've done something really wierd to your sudo config it shouldn't make any difference
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16:24<kingsley>mint: I did not run update-grub. Here's the big but. But, I edited the kernel line while running grub at boot time. My understanding is that obviates the need for update-grub.
16:25<mint>oh I see
16:25<kingsley>I now see that reconfiguring the BIOS to use acpi instead of apm also failed to turn off the power.
16:26<mint>kingsley: that's booting without acpi=off ?
16:26<kingsley>mint: I have news.
16:27<kingsley>mint: Running "$ shutdown -h -P now" as root with the BIOS configured to use acpi turned off the power.
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16:27<kenyon>and it didn't power off when you used sudo with everything else otherwise the same?
16:27*kingsley will experiment with acpi, apm, root and sudo...
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16:28<mint>yeah, like kenyon says, try it identically with sudo
16:29<kingsley>kenyon: My understanding is "yes", that's correct. My only hesitation is that the sudo based shutdown was run from a recently changed script, which I don't completely yet trust.
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16:30<kenyon>there should be no difference. if you do sudo id you should see that you really are root.
16:30<mint>yeah, unless you've limited the commands that can be run
16:31<mint>kingsley: can you try just running "sudo shutdown -hP now" directly from bash?
16:32<kingsley>I edited /etc/sudoers (sp?) to allow the normal user to run /sbin/shutdown, and it does indeed run as the normal user. My concern is that shutdown may call poweroff(8), which is not authorized in /etc/sudoers
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16:34<kingsley>I'm happy to report that running "$ sudo /sbin/shutdown -h -P now" as the user in /etc/sudoers succeeded in turning off the power.
16:34*kingsley needs to go soon...
16:34<mint>well excellent
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16:34<kenyon>subprocesses inherit the user of the parent process
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16:39<kingsley>mint & kenyon: Thank you for your time and attention.
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17:15<paradox>hello !
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17:23<SynrG> /win 2
17:23<sney`>lose 3
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17:50<CharlieZ_>sup you guys have ubuntu?
17:50<CharlieZ_>yh, anyone here?
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17:51<ansgar>chealer: Try #ubuntu on freenode.
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17:52<ansgar>Hmpf, evil tab completion...
17:53<sney`>ha indeed
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18:59<ramon>Xorg please
19:01<XayOn>Oo ¿?
19:01<ramon>Using Intel board and want to change my Xorg change resolution
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19:02<ramon>I'm beginner
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19:05<d0ct0r>Does "su" - command in debian means "Super User" or "Switch User"
19:06<daemonkeeper>switch user
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19:10<rudi_s>d0ct0r: man su
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19:11<Ruusento>"The su command is used to become another user during a login session. Invoked without a username, su defaults to becoming the superuser."
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19:25<victor_uva>I have installed debian squeeze in an old computer (4-5 years) that uses an ATI Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] but when I tried Stellarium it didn't work properly: when I try to move the sky this is done fluently, and words are not shown correctly (some don't appear, others are substituted with dots)
19:25<victor_uva>doesn't this card work with free ati drivers?
19:26<victor_uva>indeed, I typed glxgears in the terminal and the wheels are shown correctly
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19:55<happie>what is debian?
19:55<dpkg>from memory, debian is See
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19:56<happie>how partion a hard disk
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19:56<daemonkeeper>The installer will do for you
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19:57<happie>how to corrupt ubuntu?
19:57<daemonkeeper>Just install Debian.
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19:57<happie>how to format a pendrive ?
19:57<daemonkeeper>When asked, delete existing partitions (minus those you want to keep)
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19:58<daemonkeeper>Use mkfs
19:58<happie>mkfs what's this?
19:58<daemonkeeper>A command
19:58<happie>how to format with mkfs ?
19:59<daemonkeeper>Read the corresponding manpage. You don't need to format to install Debian.
19:59<happie>are you a computer bot ?
20:00<happie>debian rocks
20:00<daemonkeeper>We know.
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20:00<happie>you know about flex ?
20:01<daemonkeeper>Flex as in the lexical scanner or the Flash crap?
20:01<happie>lexical scanner
20:01<happie>what is flex?
20:01<dpkg>somebody said flex was a sucky nick used by freaks, or flex is also the Fast Lexical analyzer generator. A Lex compatible scanner generator., or an early operating system (uniflex, its single user pendant flex09 for 6809 processors). flex09 fitted into 8 kbyte of memory, this includes drivers and an overlay region to loads commands, read from disk, into.
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20:02<happie>what is lex /
20:02<happie>what is lex?
20:03<daemonkeeper>If you don't know it, you don't need it. Lexical scanners are grammar parsers for programming languages
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21:46<albertomoreno>alguien con quien hablar
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22:27<linuxman410>how do i fix i was updating when it got interupted
22:28<sney>if it was only downloading you can just run your apt command again
22:28<sney>if it was installing things, run aptitude (or apt-get) -f install
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22:47<mie>se puede conectar por aca con latinchat????
22:47<mie>help me
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22:47<mie>its can conect with latinchat?
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22:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:53<linuxman410>Use of uninitialized value $text in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/ line 101, <GEN1> line 5.
22:53<linuxman410>substr outside of string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/ line 130, <GEN1> l
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22:53<linuxman410>what does this mean
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22:55<sney>linuxman410: it means there's a perl error.
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22:56<linuxman410>sney how do i fix
22:56<Esteban>debian rocks
22:56<sney>linuxman410: with no context, I don't even know where to start.
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23:06<Duczan>Buenas Noches
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23:14<tsquad>hey, im trying to install squeeze and the install is hangin up at the installer boot menu. I chose, "install" and it spins up the CD, some matrix stuff goes on at the top of the screen, then it stops and is unresponsive
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23:14<tsquad>i have installed debian on 3 other systems with this same cd, and the computer im trying to put it on is already running ubuntu 9.4
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23:15<tsquad>any ideas as to why this is happening
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23:36<tsquad>i have installed debian on 3 other systems with this same cd, and the computer im trying to put it on is already running ubuntu 9.4
23:36<tsquad>hey, im trying to install squeeze and the install is hangin up at the installer boot menu. I chose, "install" and it spins up the CD, some matrix stuff goes on at the top of the screen, then it stops and is unresponsive
23:36<tsquad>read those bottom to top :o
23:37<tsquad>and plz helpppp
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23:47<user01>my audio seems to have stopped working for no reason . . .
23:48<kop>tsquad: Did you try it in graphical or text mode?
23:48<tsquad>text mode
23:49<tsquad>the first install option "install"
23:49<tsquad>and it just locks up
23:49<kop>tsquad: You know the box works? (Never hurts to run memtest86+.)
23:50<tsquad>yea, it has been running ubuntu 9.4 for the past year just fine as a server
23:50<tsquad>its a p4 with 512, it can handle it
23:51<kop>tsquad: You might try a netinstall, just in case your cd has gone bad....
23:51<kop>tsquad: Did you look in the install guide for hints?
23:52<tsquad>no i did not
23:52<kop>tsquad: It sounds like one of those things you might be able to fix with a kernel option like "vga=", or something.
23:52<tsquad>hmm, the install guide is on debian site?
23:52<kop>tsquad: Yes.
23:53<tsquad>ok, ill check that out, and ill also look into a net install. thanks
23:53<kop>tsquad: And, it wouldn't hurt to tell the channel exactly what "that matrix stuff" said.
23:53<tsquad>lol, umm its really small, and you cant really read it
23:54<tsquad>the top line is half cut off by the top of the screen
23:54<tsquad>and the other line, is half cut off by the top of the install screen
23:54<kop>tsquad: Yeah. I hate it that it's now really small. It's readable if you try through, and there's nothing like an error message that tells you what the problem is.
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23:55<kop>tsquad: I suspect you need the nomodeset kernel command line parameter. That's a guess.
23:55<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
23:55<tsquad>umm, ok, it looks like its saying undefined video mode number
23:56<kop>tsquad: See the install guide for how to set a kernel parameter. (If that's the message it may also benefit with the vga paramater, or maybe not.
23:57<tsquad>ok, thanks ill check it out
23:58<kop>tsquad: Yeah. It's something video releated so the netinstall won't help. When you figure it out you could file a bug report against the installer.
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23:58<kop>tsquad: See the install guide as your first step to see if it has hints.
23:59<tsquad>yea im looking at that now x.x kinda overwhelming, lots of blue links
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23:59<tsquad>but ill get it in time
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