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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-04

---Logopened Sun Sep 04 00:00:39 2011
00:00<kop>tsquad: The detail is there for cases like this. You don't need to read the whole thing. (On another topic: you do need to read at least chapter 4 of the release notes when upgrading from one release to the next!)
00:02<kop>tsquad: If you just want to try "nomodeset" you could probably press the Fn buttons in the isntaller's boot menu to get help....
00:03<tsquad>im not sure what nomodeset is. and Fn as in?
00:04<kop>tsquad: 'nomodeset' is a kernel parameter. Something you put on the command line that starts the kernel. Fn as in one of the keyboard's function keys.
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00:06<kop>Malang: Hi. If you've a question just ask.
00:07<Malang>new to ubuntu and relay chat
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00:07<kop>dpkg, ubuntu
00:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:07<Malang>this is my first time on relaychat
00:07<kop>Malang: This channel's for debian support, not ubuntu. But you can go elsewhere to chat or get ubuntu help. (See above.)
00:07<sney>!ubuntuirc Malang
00:07<dpkg>Malang: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
00:08<user01>ok so i have this weird problem, i have a x201 laptop, and audio was working fine, then i plugged in headphones, and now when i unplug headphones no audio comes out laptop speakers
00:10<kop>sney: Happen to know the way to solve tsquad's problem with video in the installer?
00:11<user01>wow that was weird . . .
00:12<user01>so i plugged in my headphones again, had audio, then unplugged them, and now laptop speakers are working again :P
00:12<tsquad>kop it seems i have to type vga=xxx in the boot: prompt
00:12<tsquad>but finding out what xxx should = is my problem
00:13<sney>try 771, that's 8-bit 800x600
00:13<sney>should be safe
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00:14<tsquad>its saying could not find kernal image: vga=771
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00:15<sney>it has to go after the kernel part
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00:16<tsquad>im very new to install issues like this. do i have to type the kernel version first? then vga=771?
00:17<tsquad>i just had to type install first x.x
00:17<tsquad>got it
00:17<tsquad>thanks alot guys, really appreciate the help
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00:21<kop>parted seems really clunky. It'll, e.g., tell me that the alignment is not right but won't tell me _why_ or what the right alignment is. It also seems to want me to do all the math to come up with the partition boundaries when all I care about is the partition size. :-(
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00:23<BlackSnakeMoan>hey guys. I'm coming from a ESX / Vsphere world. I am familiar with debian and I just installed Xen on Debian Squeeze what do you suggest for managing vms? CLI? I have seen some suggestions on the internet for HyperVM etc
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00:27<kop>BlackSnakeMoan: I am ignorant. My thoughts are to, eventually, use kvm and whatever tools RedHat has released for management.
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00:29<tsquad>kop, i totally agree with you on parted lol, its rather a pain to use
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00:31<kop>tsquad: I've been happy with fdisk and the like, but am experimenting with gpt partition tables. Hence parted. Getting 4kb alignment is painful.
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00:32<kop>BlackSnakeMoan: You could use debtags to search.
00:32<tsquad>kop: that sounds so xD
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00:34<tsquad>yayy, installation complete!! now for the fun stuff
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00:36<Guest8605>hello, I am trying to setup a local area network. I am no expert on this, so please help me. I have a laptop that I want to connect to a LAN that does not have access to internet. My laptop has a wifi card and I can connect but I would like to connect both to the internet with the wifi card and to the LAN with an ethernet cable. Is there anything that I can do?
00:37<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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00:37<sney>Guest8605: you'll want to set up both network cards using interfaces, and make sure your default ... sigh
00:37<sney>oh well!
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00:53<tsquad>does anyone know, in the sshd_config file, if i set PermitRootLogin to no, does that mean i couldnt "su" to change to root once logged in as a non root user via ssh?
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00:54<sney>tsquad: no, you can still su
00:55<tsquad>ok thanks
00:55<sney>you can still login as root locally, too. sshd_config only handles how sshd responds to remote logins
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00:57<kop>tsquad: (But note that you may wish to allow root in with publickey authorization.)
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01:15<tsquad>now, heres an extension of my previous vga problem
01:15<tsquad>2 out of 5 reboots returns a boot error, thta goes like this
01:17<tsquad>vga=771 is deprecated. Use set gfxpayload=800x600x8,800x600 before linux command instead. / error: couldnt read file. / Loading initial ramdisk ... / error: you need to load the kernel first. / Failed to boot both default and fallback entries.
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01:18<tsquad>any ideas on fixing this? as its going to be headless and i dont want to get locked out and have to plug everything back in on a random reboot
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01:19<wols_>no it's not. this problem is totally different. is this disk setup in any way "special"?
01:20<tsquad>nope, i used default disk partition settings, use entire disk
01:21<wols_>raid? special disks? some crappy controller?
01:21<tilde>i normally have a system with two ethernet cards and have temporarily switched to another machine with only one ethernet port and networking is not working... could this change in number of cards available cause ethernet to stop working?
01:21<tsquad>its an old gateway desktop, nothing special, no raid, 1 hard disk
01:21<wols_>what hardware is this?
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01:22<tsquad>P4 2.0, 512 mb ram, onboard video
01:22<tsquad>320 gig hitachi
01:23<tsquad>ide drive
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01:24<tsquad>i find it silly that im having so many "vga" errors on a cli non gui install
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01:28<tilde>how can a working router that currently serves dhcp requests ignore a debian system's dhcp requests on an "up" interface?
01:37<tsquad>do you have any suggestions or ideas wols_?
01:38<tsquad>i found 1 page on the web that sort of relates, that page seems to think its a grub problem
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01:47<tilde>ok then, can anyone recommend a good source of information about troubleshooting debian networking?
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01:55<aussa>hi, in order to configure my touchpad I created a xorg.conf file in /etc/X11, just as the debian wiki page says, but when I restarted my system, I couldn't get to the X login screen... do you know how can I configure it???
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02:00<wols_>what did you create exactly and what is the error you get when starting X (errors are in the Xorg.0.log file only)
02:00<wols_>contents of the file...
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02:01<aussa>I don't get any errors, I just get to tty1 asking me for a login name
02:02<wols_>that means your display manager is not started. we told you about this yesterday
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02:03<aussa>I know, when I got that I removed that xorg.conf file and now I got to X... everything is working, I just don't know how to configure my touchpad
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02:04<aussa>this is what I did:
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02:28<Bushmills>aussa: through tpconfig, xorg.conf or your desktop environment
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02:31<Bushmills>aussa: having an xorg.conf doesn't automatically give you an "X login screen". that screen is produced by a program, a display manager
02:32<aussa>my display manager is working, when I created the xorg.conf file to configure the touchpad is when the display manager did not work
02:33<Bushmills>not getting a login screen is a strong indication that your display manager id *not* working
02:34<aussa>yeah, but I removed the xorg.conf file that I created and the display manager started to work
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02:34<Bushmills>then your xorg.conf is faulty
02:34<aussa>can't find tpconfig :S do I have to add a repository?
02:35<Bushmills>no. it's in main
02:35<Bushmills>,versions tpconfig
02:35<judd>Package tpconfig on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.3-9.2; squeeze: 3.1.3-13; sid: 3.1.3-14; wheezy: 3.1.3-14
02:35<aussa>on amd64?
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02:36<Bushmills>there too
02:37<amphi>aussa: can you not use xinput to configure the touchpad?
02:37<aussa>you tell me
02:38<amphi>does 'xinput list' show it?
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02:42<amphi>'xinput list-props $id' may be of interest
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02:48<Luminous>I'm installing Debian on a computer, and the whole system installed without a hitch, except the bootloader keeps failing to install. Is there a way to install the Debian bootloader from install media without having to redo the whole OS installation?
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02:49<sparky4>ohh dear
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02:49<sparky4>I have ALOT of issues ..... ><
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02:51<blarson>Luminous: boot cd, get to shell prompt, mount and chroot to your root partition, run grub-install
02:51<Aketzu>there might be even rescue mode on newer medias
02:51<Luminous>blarson: K, will do, thanks!
02:51<sparky4>I don't know where to start
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03:06<Bushmills>sparky4, therapist, maybe?
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03:16<sebastianL>Hi guys. Anyone german here ?
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03:20<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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04:10<tecno-java>anybody on?
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04:11<tsquad>i am
04:12<tsquad>probably wont be of much help tho :o
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04:13<tecno-java>kkkkkk no problem, I'm not here to ask you none.. I'm new in this new world about linux rsrs
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04:13<tecno-java>Hey, my english is a little bad.. so.. hehe
04:14<tsquad>lol no problem
04:14<tsquad>so your new to linux?
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04:16<tecno-java>Yeah.. I've installed here in my lap has 2 weeks more or less..
04:16<blarson>tecno-java: what language would you prefer? There are other channels for debian.
04:16<tecno-java>I installed the debian.. Fantastic!! That's great hehe
04:17<tecno-java>I'm brazilian.. Hey, my english is so bad? hehe
04:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
04:17<amphi>tecno-java: if you prefer
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04:18<tecno-java>Of course!! I think it's better to me learn about debian in my native language.. but it's good learn english in the same time ehe
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04:21<tecno-java>Hey guys, The debian was better dist that i've found.. do you all use others dist?
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04:23<tsquad>i personally use linux mint 11 for my main pc
04:23<tsquad>its based off of ubuntu, which is based off of debian
04:23<blarson>tecno-java: other dists are offtopic for this channel. I only use Debian.
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04:24<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
04:24<tecno-java>I'm sorry blarson.
04:24<tecno-java>I wont do this again..
04:24<blarson>not a big deal, since the channel isn't busy at the moment.
04:24<tsquad>like anyone talks here anyways...
04:26<tecno-java>Are you development to debian or just common users?
04:26<tsquad>better take that to offtopic :o
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04:29<ummmm>wat up
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04:54<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to create a form in LibreOffice Base, for entering data into a field, where the data may be multi-line. How do I make the box on the form multi-line without making the label move away from the box
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05:07<EmleyMoor>I've got the form right but the field is not enabled for multi-line...
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05:09<tsquad>EmleyMoor type /j #libreoffice
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05:09<tsquad>they can help you better there
05:10<tsquad>its in the freenode irc server, not debian sorry
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05:51<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not getting any help at all from documentation, IRC or anywhere
05:52<EmleyMoor>Is this a reported bug in libreoffice, I wonder...
05:53<vidkun>something very unfortunate has happened to my debian setup, running # apt-get install perlapi-5.10.1 yields the output E: Package 'perlapi-5.10.1' has no installation candidate
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05:54<Bushmills>that's right
05:55<Bushmills>but that's not "unfortunate". that's just as it is
05:55<vidkun>well, the packages i try to install depend on perlapi
05:55<vidkun>and perlapi won't install
05:55<Bushmills>what package depends on it?
05:56<EmleyMoor>I haven't found perlapi at all...
05:56<Bushmills>perl-base should cover the dependency
05:58<vidkun>by perl-base is from this the cause of mischief
05:58<Bushmills>quite possible
05:58<vidkun>i could try replacing it with the stable version...
05:59<vidkun>but, how badly might that mess things up?
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05:59<Bushmills>usually not more than the computer you're installing to will be affected
05:59<vidkun>and how badly will this computer by affected?
05:59<Bushmills>try and see
06:00<amphi>Bushmills: haha
06:00<vidkun>how to go about it then? purge perl-base and reinstalling it from stable? or is there a better way?
06:01<Bushmills>try, in aptitude, to purge it, it may be that you'll get a downgrade option, when looking through the conflict resolving solutions
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06:02<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... this libreoffice problem appears to be a humdinger of a bug!
06:02<vidkun>This is an essential package - it should not be removed.
06:02<vidkun>was the output
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06:05<rpetre>if i send additional info to a closed bug, does it get reopened automatically?
06:06<EmleyMoor>libreoffice in squeeze-backports is affected by bug #617319 - any fix known that doesn't need too much messing around?
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06:07<vidkun>would running apt-get dist-upgrade after removing sid from my sources.list downgrade all packages to stable?
06:07<EmleyMoor>vidkun: No
06:08<vidkun>EmleyMoor: isn't that what is said here?
06:09<EmleyMoor>vidkun: The command you gave is not "in isolation" a way to do it. You'd hawve to follow the whole thing
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06:12<vidkun>hm, this doc is a little outdated? there is no preferences file /etc/apt
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06:14<valdyn>vidkun: its not outdated
06:15<vidkun>valdyn: i should create the file?
06:15<valdyn>vidkun: sure
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06:17<vidkun>so, putting just the three lines in the doc into a preferences file, and replacing * with "perl-base"? then run apt-get dist-upgrade?
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06:19<amitz>oh, debian push an ca-certificatess update. Is it to blacklist that ssl certificate provider that gave out certificates to questionabl people?
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06:21<valdyn>amitz: any authorities that dont do that?
06:21<valdyn>amitz: probably to revoke the certificates from the ca that was cracked recently in the netherlands
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06:24<vidkun>hm, dist-upgrade fails because of package openjdk-6-jre
06:25<amitz>valdyn: oh, I don't know tbh. also don't know if it was cracked instead of knowingly given out.
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06:25<valdyn>amitz: no ca would knowingly give out the root ca as that would make them have no business anymore
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06:27<vidkun>and openjdk-6-jre won't be purged...
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06:28<amitz>oh, I don't know their root ca is owned :-o. M'kay, that's mandatory, need to upgrade every box asap.
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06:28<valdyn>amitz: it was not clear what exactly was "stolen", however even certs of the government were revoked
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06:29<EmleyMoor>If I have installed libreoffice from squeeze-backports, are the packages from wheezy directly installable or can I simply backport them myself?
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06:43<mint>vidkun: if you try to just downgrade one package you're going to really have trouble
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06:43<EmleyMoor>Now, back to an earlier mentioned problem...
06:43<EmleyMoor>I could create another to the other card and use public IPs, if I wished
06:44<EmleyMoor>I've got a very mysterious problem with "flip-flop" being reported between two network cards in the same box, on different logical networks but the same physical one. Is there any way I can stop this happening? One has a static address, the other DHCP but with the server giving a fixed response. Is it possible to do all of this on one physical interface? To do so would be helpful, especially if it also stops the flip-flop reports.
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06:46<mint>EmleyMoor: you just want a network card with 2 ip addresses?
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06:46<EmleyMoor>mint: It would do, if doable - it would also save me a slot
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06:48<mint>EmleyMoor: it's perfectly possible, you can do something like:
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06:50<vidkun>any suggestions for how to make my downgrade work?
06:50<mint>EmleyMoor: or you can do it /etc/network/interfaces if you ned it to persist between boots:
06:50*EmleyMoor is going to try some of this out...
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06:52<mint>vidkun: you can pin all the dependencies of the package you want to downgrade, but why are you attempting to just downgrade perl-base ?
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06:53<EmleyMoor>I'll have to go static IP... still, no great problem
06:54<vidkun>mint: hm, so i should just pin whatever package it complains about and try?
06:55<Malang>My mic is not working in backtrack 5 (debian base), I have installed alsamixer but still the same situation.
06:55<valdyn>Malang: wrong channel
06:56<Malang>wrong channel I think it is debain channel
06:56<ansgar>Malang: But you are not using Debian.
06:56<valdyn>!listkeys oxygen
06:56<dpkg>Factoid search of 'oxygen' by key (1): doxygen.
06:56<Malang>BackTrack 5 is debain base.
06:57<ansgar>!based on debian
06:57<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
06:57<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
06:57<EmleyMoor>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address (x2) when I try to bring up br0... how can I see what's causing that?
06:57<vidkun>mint: pinning openjdk-6-jre doesn't stop it from complaining about it...
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06:58<mint>vidkun: what's the package you're actually trying to downgrade?
06:58<valdyn>vidkun: we cant help when youre paraphrasing error messages, you need to use pastbin
06:58<valdyn>*pastebin* even
06:59<wols_>valdyn: a perl from sid in a frankendebian. do you really want to help him fixing his debian over irc? really?
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06:59<valdyn>wols_: i dont, but no one can with his lack of information
06:59<vidkun>mint: perl-base
07:00<mint>EmleyMoor: you're bridging your interfaces?
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07:00<EmleyMoor>mint: My eth1 was part of a bridge with some tap interfaces for VMs
07:01<EmleyMoor>My eth0:1 is intended to replace eth1
07:01<mint>EmleyMoor: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
07:02<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: why not just make your eth0 the bride, if they are on the same network?
07:02<vidkun>valdyn: here's the paste
07:02<EmleyMoor>OpenTokix: They're not... eth0 is public side...
07:02<valdyn>vidkun: you cant remove that package for now?
07:02<vidkun>valdyn: it won't let itself be purged either
07:03<valdyn>vidkun: probably because your perl is broken? thats some information that should be in the pastebin too
07:03<valdyn>vidkun: the log of "apt-get remove openjdk-6-jre"
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07:04<mint>EmleyMoor: is this a firewall/router machine or something?
07:04<wols_>vidkun: what debian are you actually running. the first problem description you gave mentioned perlapi-5.10.1. that's stable. then you talked about your sid perl and now you show lots of testing in your paste. so what do you actually run?
07:04<EmleyMoor>Bearing in mind this is just an intermediate step in a tidyup, - and no, it's an admin machine that serves files internally and other stuff inside and out
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07:06<vidkun>valdyn: oh, that actually worked
07:07<valdyn>vidkun: so process and let us know the results in the pastebin
07:07<valdyn>vidkun: so *proceed* and let us know the results in the pastebin
07:07<EmleyMoor>Well, both interfaces are accessible from my laptop, so that's good
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07:08<vidkun>valdyn: some held packages that's causing trouble now, will purge and see what happens
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07:09<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I can get it so that the bridge dhcps for an address and does not end up with the public one?
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07:12<vidkun>valdyn: dist-upgrade worked this time...let's see if it fixes my problem
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07:18*EmleyMoor will see if this fixes the flip-flopping
07:18*EmleyMoor has another machine with two cards that could at least in theory manage with one
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07:23<vidkun>valdyn: ok, it went through...not sure what was really done to my system
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07:23<EmleyMoor>It still doesn't explain why the flip-flopping was reported, of course - but if it's stopped by this change, great.
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07:30<vidkun>unfortunately, when i try to install libcrypt-blowfish-perl it still complains about perl-base...
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07:32<vidkun>updated the paste:
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07:51<SeriousSam_>Hi guys! When I use c
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07:51<SeriousSam_>command ps how can I form output?
07:52<SeriousSam_>for example I need PID in the first column and command name in the second\
07:52<SeriousSam_>How can I do this
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07:56<lindi->SeriousSam_: ps -e -o pid,cmd
07:56<lindi->SeriousSam_: what are you trying to do?
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08:00<SeriousSam_>Thanks a lot buddy. I just learn opportuninies of ps. And one more question. How can I killall process by specifying it's full name (with parameters, e. g. "sleep 1500")? I tried but it without success.
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08:01<SeriousSam_>When I write killall "sleep 1500" it writes "no process found"
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08:02<SeriousSam_>only kilall sleep works
08:02<SeriousSam_>*killall sleep
08:04<lindi->SeriousSam_: still, what are you trying to do? automate something?
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08:05<SeriousSam_>I am trying to do something like watchdog
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08:06<lindi->SeriousSam_: hmm?
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08:06<SeriousSam_>It observes process list and does kill or start operations
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08:07<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that turned into a nice way to break everything!
08:07*EmleyMoor is reverting to two cards
08:08<lindi->SeriousSam_: I still don't understand what you really want to do :)
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08:10<SeriousSam_>Please, tell me, is killall able to work with commands with parameters? Or it works with commands only?
08:11<SeriousSam_>It is like monitor for some processes
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08:16<EmleyMoor>One day I might get this network totally redone - wiring and all. Until then, the flip-flop reports will just have to be lived with
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08:39<amoe>SeriousSam_: no, it only understands commands; use pkill
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08:40<SeriousSam_>amoe: Thanks for answer!
08:40<SeriousSam_>I 'll rty it
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08:41<amoe>SeriousSam_: there's probably a better way to do monitoring of processes
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08:42<amoe>I have found daemontools to be fine
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08:48<jonas__>Hello. Anyone here that could help me with a bash script/some nifty lines in the terminal?
08:48<daemonkeeper>##bash on Freenode
08:49<jonas__>Thank you :)
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09:02<home-alone>hi...what is the best video editor
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09:10<insigne>tem algum brasileiro?
09:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:33<user01>anyone know what may have caused my issue with audio?
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10:34<user01>i plugged in my 3.5mm for the laptop for the first time to listen on speakers, i unplugged the jack and the laptop speakers no longer worked
10:35<user01>i rebooted no sound etc etc
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10:35<user01>so i plugged in the 3,5mm jack again and there was audio playing in speakers
10:36<user01>as i disconnected with audio playing through speakers laptop speakers came back on
10:37<user01>maybe something physical with jack? dont know
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10:38<RichiH>user01: i have heard stories about laptops with hardware-detection for plug events which could mess with linux
10:39<RichiH>last time something like that happened to me was years ago, though
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10:51<egoga>A question about the linux system base: If I installed lsb-*-3.2*.deb packages using ar -x lsbpackage.deb data.tar.gz; cd /media/hdc5; tar xzvf data.tar.gz
10:51<egoga>, do I have to do anything else to help recover from installing CentOS redhat-lsb?
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10:52<egoga>it's like yo, is anyone here?
10:53<themill>egoga: What are you trying to fix?
10:53<akerl>Out of curiousity, why did you install a centos package on debian?
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10:54<egoga>I was trying to upgrade my Debian linux system bsae to 4.0, but couldn't find files for lsb 4.0 available for download. I decided to uncompress redhat-lsb-4.0-2.el5.centos.src.rpm
10:54<egoga>then I ran a program called redhat-lsb.spec or something. It messed up my system /etc/init.d files etc so it couldn't boot
10:54<egoga>so now I'm trying to recover from it. are there any other files I need?
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10:55<akerl>What is "linux system base", and why do you feel it needs upgrading?
10:55<akerl>Because lsb is Linux Standard Base, and I don't see a reason why it would need random upgrading beyond what's already in repos
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10:56<egoga>I tried running GoogleEarthLinux.bin, version 6.0.3, downloaded from, and it said it requires redhat-lsb 4.0 to install
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10:56<egoga>But Debian's LSB was only 3.2
10:56<user01>RichiH, oh ok, i did this with a thinkpad x201
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10:57<user01>RichiH, intel audio
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10:57<themill>unpacking a single specification package won't suddenly make the package compliant with that specification
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10:57<egoga>it's still giving me all kinds of /etc/rcS.d errors
10:57<egoga>is there any way I can fix it?
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10:58<egoga>What file would be the equivalent of redhat-lsb-4.0-2.centos.el5.src.rpm for Debian
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10:58<akerl>egoga: Did you actually try to start google earth? Or did you assume you didn't have what it wanted/
10:59<egoga>I didn't have google-earth
10:59<egoga>That's why I downloaded it, it was the latest version. But after typing chmod 755 GoogleEarthLinux.bin and then typing ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin, it wouldn't start installing because it needed LSB 4.0
11:00<sney>didn't google release a deb for that?
11:00<egoga>I knew centos used LSB 4.0 so I downloaded
11:00<egoga>I don't know if google did or not
11:01<egoga> is the file that I installed that ruined my init files
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11:01<egoga>actually it was redhat-lsb-4.0-2.1.4.el5.i386.rpm
11:01<sney>you'll have to figure out exactly which init files were changed and then you can reinstall the packages that provide them individually
11:02<dpkg>somebody said debsums was a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`".
11:02<egoga>I see
11:02<egoga>so go to, do individual file search for init files and work from there?
11:02<themill>egoga: ^^ debsums might help, but it doesn't do so well for things in /etc/
11:02<egoga>right now I have to boot from Knoppix Live CD because it's messed up
11:03<egoga>doing ar vx *.deb data.tar.gz etc
11:03<sney>or you could back up your /home directory and anything else that you need, chroot into your debian installation, and do an aptitude clone
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11:03<sney>!aptitude clone
11:03<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>
11:03<sney>and then just reinstall.
11:04<egoga>could I do this using the Debian 6.0 Net Install CD?
11:04<egoga>I can't even get a shell prompt
11:04<mazze>I have problems using brasero: The program recognises the empty CD-R, but when I really want to start to burn, It just eject the CD and exits with an error. In the Log file it says "Unsupported type of task operation". I'm trying to burn .ogg-files. Any hint?
11:05<sney>egoga: do you know what chroot is
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11:06<egoga>no, does chroot make a certain directory root after you type it? (as in / )
11:07<egoga>or does it run bash with that directory as root?
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11:08<sney>that's a question that 'man chroot' can answer better than I can, but the gist is that it puts you inside your debian installation as if you *were* able to boot it, albeit running whatever kernel your livecd has
11:09<sney>still, it's close enough to do dpkg operations
11:09<lastnode>i changd my timezone via tzdata reconfigure
11:09<lastnode>or wait, wahtever the debian commandis
11:09<sney>and rather than searching p.d.o for initscripts, why not dissect that lsb package you downloaded and see what it overwrites?
11:09<lastnode>but my auth.log still displays timestamps from teh old timezone
11:10<lastnode>do i need to rerun an init script somewhere?
11:10<RichiH>there should be a more current xserver-xorg-video-nvidia than what's in unstable. is empty... where else can i find the package?
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11:11<sney>RichiH: I don't know, but I don't think that bug has been fixed yet
11:11<themill>RichiH: experimental?
11:11<RichiH>sney: which are your talking about?
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11:12<sney>!bugs 640157
11:12<dpkg>#640157:I[nvidia-glx] xserver-xorg-core: ABI not support in Nvidia Driver. (upstream); Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:24:01 UTC [639737 640019]
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11:13<mazze>chahibi: and in the Log brasero further tells: "Session error : An internal error occured (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2839)"
11:13<sney>hmm, well there does appear to be a workaround now, but I don't think there's a newer version of the packages in question that keeps it fixed
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11:16<opalepatrick>installed vista after debian squeeze which of course trashed the mbr. Went into rescue mode and reinstalled grub (it saw vista etc) no errors, but on reboot I still have windows only. (mbr was on sda bit windows on sdb)
11:16<opalepatrick>Any ideas?
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11:18<sney>opalepatrick: how many hard drives do you have?
11:19<opalepatrick>2 sney
11:19<opalepatrick>sda has debian, sdb has vista
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11:19<sney>get back into your debian install and install grub to the boot sector of both drives
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11:20<egoga>will aptitude try to download files wieh trying to aptitude install on the live cd? I have no net connection ability whatsoever
11:20<sney>go into your bios and check the hard drive boot order, and make sure the one with debian on it is being booted first
11:21<sney>egoga: the aptitude search ~F ... command will only give information that is already on your machine
11:21<opalepatrick>ahaa that makes all sense. I will try the first first thanks sney
11:21<RichiH>themill: hmm, yah there is one now
11:21<RichiH>sney: mindreader
11:21<themill>RichiH: it will have had to go via buildds etc too, of course.
11:21<sney>RichiH: #debian-next is where sid/wheezy support goes... and where we've seen this nvidia issue maybe 6 times in the last few days
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11:23<egoga>ok coolwhatever I figured it out, thank you very much for your help, I appreciate it
11:25<Xecuter>hi! need some help installing gnome-shell in wheezy, but heres the problem -> (sorry to be asking here, but theres no answer in #debian-next)
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11:28<opalepatrick>sney - on choosing /dev/sdb1 as root in resue mode, I get a mount failed on red screen
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11:29<sney>opalepatrick: you need to chroot into your debian drive and do it with grub-install
11:29<opalepatrick>can I do that from a normal install disk or do I need a live one,sney?
11:29<RichiH>sney: good point, that
11:30<sney>opalepatrick: I believe the rescue console on the install disk has chroot
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11:30<hoshi411>i just noticed that debian completely ignores DVD region settings O_o
11:30<hoshi411>that's great!
11:31<hoshi411>now I can watch all my japanese DVDs
11:32<lastnode>debian devs pirates imo
11:32<lastnode>lock them up
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11:34<hoshi411>welp a region setting is not actually protected by law. It's more like a handshake between the movie companies and windows/apple so they can monetize
11:34<hoshi411>linux I guess wasn't included in the handshake
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11:38<mosno>how do i list all packages that wouldn't be on my system except for the fact that they were pulled-in as a Recommends?
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11:40<opalepatrick>sorry sney, need handholding here, what directory should i chroot to? chroot /dev/sdb1/ isnt a directory
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11:44<Xecuter>hi! need some help installing gnome-shell in wheezy, but heres the problem -> (sorry to be asking here, but theres no answer in #debian-next)
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11:50<sney>opalepatrick: you need to mount your debian install directory and chroot to whatever you used as the mount point. there are howtos all over the internet
11:50<sney>er, debian install partition
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11:54<wols_>,versions gnome-settings-daemon
11:54<judd>Package gnome-settings-daemon on i386 -- lenny:; squeeze: 2.30.2-2+squeeze1; sid: 2.30.2-4; wheezy: 2.30.2-4; experimental: 3.0.2-1
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11:56<opalepatrick>Thank sney, I was able to do it from the default root in the end. Thanks for the help
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12:11<egoga>!aptitude clone
12:11<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>
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12:12<egoga>!aptitude apt-clone
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12:15<egoga>!aptitude apt-clone
12:16<dpkg>rumour has it, apt-clone is a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. For use with squeeze, ask me about <simple sid backport>.
12:16<egoga>I tried typing all of that and it didn't work, can I do xargs aptitude --reinstall install < package_list?
12:17<d0ct0r>Anyone know how to make VLC Player as the default player when I want to click on an avi/mpg/mkv file?
12:17<d0ct0r>Instead of Totem.
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12:17<rudi_s>!tell egoga about selftell
12:18<egoga>Whatever, people here don't know jack
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12:20<rudi_s>d0ct0r: AFAIK you can configure this in one of KDE/Gnome's preferences panel.
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12:30<chaoticmass>Debian user since Sarge here. Trying to run debian squeeze on a ThinkPad 600X. Xorg starts and gives me a blank screen. Xorg log files indicate no errors. Killing X via remote login does not restore console, screen remains blank until reboot. Driver is neomagic. /dev/fb0 is present (1024x768 console enabled). Been googling for hours with no answers, everyone says it should just work. Just doesn't. I humbly ask for guidance.
12:30<GoD_>hello guys who hes a pro at themes :x
12:30<GoD_>i need help rlly.
12:31<wols_>chaoticmass: disable kms
12:32<wols_>chaoticmass: nomodeset kernel parameter normally
12:32<chaoticmass>wols_: I've not learned about kms during my linux journey. Can you elaborate?
12:32<GoD_>i need help with themes lol.
12:32<GoD_>any1 teamviewer
12:33<chaoticmass>googling debian kms...
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12:35<GoD_>lol im being ignore?
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12:36<rudi_s>!tell GoD_ about ask
12:36<GoD_>i need help installing themes
12:36*GoD_ test
12:36*GoD_ someone help me install themes?
12:37<themill>ask a real question with enough details that anyone has a chance of answering it
12:37<wols_>!tell chaoticmass about kms
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12:37*GoD_ alright listen up i need help installing themes onto ubuntu thats really all i need cause some how
12:37<themill>dpkg: tell GoD_ about ask
12:37*GoD_ i find this difficult.
12:37<themill>!ubuntuirc GoD_
12:37<dpkg>GoD_: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
12:38<themill>GoD_: sounds like you want #ubuntu on
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12:38<GoD_>ok ill go
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12:47<d0ct0r>rudi_s: is there a mime type file in debian to do this too?
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12:48<rudi_s>d0ct0r: There is, but I'm not sure if your DE uses that: /etc/mailcap
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13:00<gavroche>hello world!
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13:02<SeriousSam_>Hi there! How can I add my script to autostart?
13:03<rudi_s>!tell SeriousSam_ about startup
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13:05<AquaL1te>SeriousSam: a script can best be added by adding it to /etc/rc.local
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13:06<AquaL1te>or in gnome/kde autostart of course, but /etc/rc.local is best i guess ;-)
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13:14<SeriousSam_>Does gnome autostart allow only startups on log in. Does rc.local work without log in?
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13:15<rudi_s>SeriousSam_: Yes. rc.local is run after boot finished. No need for anybody to login.
13:15<rudi_s>(Same applies to /etc/init.d scripts.)
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13:15<SeriousSam_>Ok, thanks a lot
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13:26<chaoticmass>wols_: I think I disabled kms with "echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf". After restarting the problem persists and I'm not even sure if I disabled KMS.
13:26<wols_>chaoticmass: what has nouveau, a driver for a nvidia graphics card to do with a neomagic chip in a TP 600?
13:27<wols_>chaoticmass: why didn't you read the factoid dpkg messaged you? there is explained how to disable kms
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13:32<anbe>chaoticmass, you need to rebuild your initrd (update-initramfs ...) otherwise the module may have been loaded before the blacklist is read
13:33<chaoticmass>wols_: My quoted command was the result of my best understanding after googling about KMS, nvidia and debian. I missed the factoid dpkg sent me. I wish I knew what it said.
13:33<rudi_s>chaoticmass: Ask it: /msg dpkg kms
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13:35<chaoticmass>I used to use bitchx, now I'm using irssi but I am not familiar with it. I don't think I'm seeing direct messages. Please hold while I read manuals. (and thanks for the assistance wols_, anbe, rudi_s)
13:35<wols_>chaoticmass: /msg dpkg kms
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13:36<wols_>chaoticmass: /window <number> where <number> is the purple one in the statusbar
13:36<chaoticmass>aha thanks
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13:39<chaoticmass>So as far as I understand it, I need to disable KMS. I can either blacklist it or use a kernel parameter. I am unfamiliar with the new way to modify grub to pass a kernel parameter.
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13:40<wols_>chaoticmass: /etc/default/grub
13:40<d0ct0r>anyone know why there is so high cpu usage in debian?
13:40<wols_>d0ct0r: find out what uses your cpu first
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13:41<chaoticmass>and then update-grub, ok
13:42<chaoticmass>brb trying this out
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13:49<chaoticmass>nomodeset option successfully added to kernel command parameters, no change with X. Really surprised I can't find another TP600 or even just a neomagic user who's using squeeze and has documented this issue online...
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13:53<xunubi>Hi all, any debian savvy user got a minute they could spare me? :) Everything is running beautifully, except one issue with my sound. Whenever I speak into my mic, it plays out of my speakers.
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14:01<__Alex_>Is there a way i can set my Volume above 100%?
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14:05<xunubi>Anyone here who can suggest anything for me to try regarding my sound issues? I've checked the forums, can't find anything, and know little / less than little about how sound works on linux. The only time I've ever had my mic working correctly is when using ubuntu, due to their own sound application, please don't make me go back to using ubuntu *sad face*
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14:06<__Alex_>You can try to install Pulseaudio any try that. (That's what Ubuntu uses)
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14:08<xunubi>__Alex_: if you just want to increase volume above 100% for playback of movies / music, use VLC Media Player, hover the mouse over the play area (where the movie would be for example) and keep turning it up with the scroll wheel, when it hits max on the volume bar, it continues past that point. I've had 380% using that method.
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14:08<xunubi>Thanks I'll have a look now __Alex_
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14:10<xunubi>Alsa is the default in Debian? (wondering if I should remove this before installing PulseAudio)
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14:10<__Alex_>Nope, Pulseaudio works WITH alsa
14:11<xunubi>Okay, thanks :)
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14:34<xunubi>__Alex_: So you know for future reference, that doesn't solve the issue. Microphone still plays out of speakers. I may cry in a minute. :p
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14:37<Charbel>hi, i tried to install Debian Squeeze DVD in VM and i always got "select and install software" step failure & grub installation failure so i did reinstall it using graphical expert install and i skipped the step "select & install software" but i did all the others steps and i booted system everything works fine but i need to know how to install softwares from DVD using a command line, anyone can help me plz ?
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14:40<wols_>Charbel: apt-get install <package>. start with apt-get install xorg gnome-desktop-environment
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14:44<Charbel>wols_, i know how to install from the repos but i'm asking if there is a way to install softwares from the DVD installation and if yes how i can do it ?
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14:56<wols_>Charbel: and I told you how: apt-get install <package>. just cause the packages are on a DVD doesn't change that
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15:26<user01>is there a way to change the menu in gnome so they show just icons only instead of the words Applications Places System? that takes up a lot of toolbar real estate
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15:28<AquaL1te>gnome used to be very configurable, but now those things aren't possible anymore as far i tried
15:29<OpenTokix>you can do most things in gconf2
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15:51<shirish>hi all, can anybody tell/share how i can improve the font-size in the output coming from apt-listchanges, I am using gtk as frontend output.
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15:51<shirish> for my configuration file of listchanges.conf at /etc/apt/
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15:56<d0ct0r>where can i find a guide to install compiz and special effects?
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16:24<Guest8761>when i starting parole it respond with a message "unable to load playbin gstreamer plugin" any idea?
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16:25<Bikkja>is this channel also used for general help, or do you have a dedicated channel for that?
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16:27<Guest8761>it s ..general help.....
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16:29<Bikkja>how do I start a program in the root terminal, without the program being terminated when I close same same root terminal window.. ?
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16:31<Bikkja>Im trying to get used to debian so I can use it for all regular tasks.. kinda replacing windows :)
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16:32<lindi->Bikkja: what sort of program?
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16:35<wols_>Bikkja: nohup, screen
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16:38<Bikkja>lindi-, fwbackups
16:38<Bikkja>like a gui-program :)
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16:39<lindi->Bikkja: "sudo fwbackups &"
16:39<Bikkja>the "&" makes it run in its own "window"?
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16:40<Bikkja>lindi-, that worked fine, just what I was looking for, ty :D
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16:41<lindi->Bikkja: you might not want to use a terminal emulator to start this at all
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16:42<Bikkja>I dont know how to start it otherwise, since there`s no shortcuts anywhere
16:43<lindi->Bikkja: right click the desktop background. choose "Create Launcher"
16:43<lindi->Bikkja: and to "Command" enter "gksudo fwbackups"
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16:51<Bikkja>hmm.... not working.. it asks for root passwd, and after that nothing happens... though, it works if I enter the commands separately in the terminal emulator.. like first "gksudo", then "fwbackups" in the "command"-section..
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16:52<lindi->Bikkja: does "gksudo fwbackups" work in the terminal emulator?
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16:53<Bikkja>just the root terminal, not the terminal itself.. then it returns: "/home/user/Desktop/fwbackups.desktop"
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16:53<Bikkja>wrong message
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16:54<Bikkja>glib-critical **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion str!=null: failed
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16:54<lindi->Bikkja: and nothing else?
16:55<Bikkja>just that
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16:55<lindi->Bikkja: does it exit?
16:55<lindi->or does it just get stuck there?
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16:56<Bikkja>it asks for root passwd.. which I enter.. then that message comes up and it ends there waiting for new command (doesnt need to use ctrl+c to force it to quit)
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16:56<lindi->Bikkja: ok, can you try some other application? fwbackups is not part of debian as far as I can see
16:56<Bikkja>got suggestion for another program?
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16:57<lindi->Bikkja: "gksudo xclock"
16:57<lindi->should be pretty harmless
16:57<Bikkja>it does the same thing with the same message
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16:58<Bikkja>looks like Ive messed up the system a bit, somehow.. not sure how though :)
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17:01<Bikkja>perhaps I should try to reinstall the glib?
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17:02<lindi->Bikkja: huh? reinstalling does not help
17:02<lindi->Bikkja: what version of debian are you using?
17:03<Bikkja>debian 6.0
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17:04<Bikkja>perhaps I should reinstall ?
17:04<lindi->Bikkja: same here. I made a video of how it works here:
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17:05<Bikkja>yeah, there it works fine.. must have crewed up the system a bit, somehow :)
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17:07<Bikkja>its working like that in my root terminal window, but not the terminal window.. I see you are using the terminal windows as well
17:07<Bikkja>could it be related to locals, like language?
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17:08<lindi->Bikkja: sounds like
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17:09<lindi->Bikkja: but there's no more information about it
17:09<lindi->Bikkja: do you know how to report bugs to debian?
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17:11<Bikkja>it says in the report you pasted: "Locale not supported by C library.". I`m using english as default language, but norwegian for my keyboard
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17:11<Bikkja>Never done it, but I will try to use the bugreport-feature in debian
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17:12<lindi->Bikkja: in this case you want to report your information to that existing bug
17:12<lindi->Bikkja: so just mail with all the details
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17:13<lindi->Bikkja: and also send an empty email to so that it subscribes you to receive notifications about that bug
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17:14<Bikkja>is there a guide or webpage with information about which info should be included in the report?
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17:16<lindi->Bikkja: the output of "dpkg-query -W gksudo" at least
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17:16<lindi->Bikkja: oh and hmm, that bug is against gksu, you have gksudo
17:17<lindi->but ok, it's the same package still
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17:18<lindi->Bikkja: just mail what you know for now
17:19<aussa>hi, I need to install wheezy nvidia-installer cleanup, how do I do it, by adding wheezy contrib repo???
17:19<Bikkja>hmmm... gksu works fine
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17:20<Bikkja>gksudo does not
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17:22<Bikkja>gksu is the same package as gksudo right? It doesnt find gksudo, but gksu
17:24<blarson>,file gksudo
17:24<judd>gksudo in squeeze/i386: gksu: usr/bin/gksudo
17:26<aussa>how do I set which version of a package to install... ??
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17:27<d0ct0r>,file grub
17:27<judd>grub in squeeze/i386: fai-client: usr/bin/device2grub; grub-coreboot: etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub, etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub, usr/sbin/update-grub, usr/share/grub/default/grub; grub-efi-amd64: etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub, etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub, usr/sbin/update-grub, usr/share/grub/default/grub; grub-efi-ia32: etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub, etc/kernel/postrm.d
17:27<judd>/zz-update-grub, usr/sbin/update-grub, usr/share/grub/default/grub; grub-legacy: etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub, etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub, usr/sbin/grub, usr/sbin/update-grub; grub-pc: etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub, etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub, usr/lib/grub-legacy/update-grub, usr/sbin/update-grub, usr/share/grub/default/grub; grub-ieee1275: etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub
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17:31<lindi->Bikkja: I'm going to sleep now, I hope somebody else can help
17:31<Bikkja>lindi-, Thank you for your help... I working on the bugreport now :)
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17:36<Bikkja>how do I print out information about language / locals in the terminal emulator?
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17:38<prahal>Bikkja: "locale"
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17:39<Bikkja>what about the keyboard?
17:40<prahal>xx terminal or console ?
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17:41<prahal>if Xorg you define it and you can find out the settings you choosed at least from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:43<prahal>$ grep xkb /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:43<_krash>hi, wonder if one of you could give me a small tipp :) I want to build a live cd which should behave basically the same just like my customized debian install on the harddisk (~2Gb)
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17:43<lindi->prahal: I doubt he specified it in xorg.conf
17:44<lindi->Bikkja: I really doubt the keyboard layout has anything to do with the bug though
17:44<_krash>is there any howto i can take a look at? - i dont want to create a generic live dvd it should just work on that single system
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17:45<Bikkja>lindi-, bugreport sent.. hope its sufficient info to work on :)
17:46<prahal>lindi-: I did not provide an xorg conf to Xorg either . Still the log shows the xkb layout . DOes not the log provides the currently selected layout ?
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17:48<prahal>_krash: if you mean with all the settings from every applications (even the user settings ) . no
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17:49<prahal>short of doing an image of your install and building a livecd that would load this image I do not see how it could be achieved
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17:53<Bikkja>one good thing about using debian is to learn something new.. to do things differently... kind of challenges you a bit once in a while :)
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18:09<Bikkja>btw, is it possible to debug browser hangs, e.g. crome, in systemlogs?
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18:12<nutron>stable server running squeeze, full-upgrade shows 55 packages, can I somehow see the changes files before I upgrade?
18:13<dpkg>apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>.
18:13<nutron>themill: I have that already, but ... maybe I'm expecting more...
18:13<themill>(apt-listchanges is installed by default on squeeze but only in showing NEWS.Debian mode)
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18:14<themill>nutron: "dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges" to have it show you changelogs too.
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18:34<aussa>hi, I'm trying to configure X to use the nvidia driver by reading to this:, it does not recommend to use nvidia-xconfig because of a bug, so I'm trying to do this the manual way, according to the instructions I have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but cannot find one... do I have to create it??? how do I create it???
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18:35<chealer>aussa: did you read the first sentence, "xorg.conf can instruct X to use the nvidia driver. If you have one, modify it, otherwise it must be created. "?
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18:38<aussa>just like that...?? I'm going to try it out, sorry for the question... hope it works... :S
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18:38<Known_problems>GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1296569123
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18:38<Known_problems>wget -q -O- | sudo apt-key add -
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18:40<Known_problems>He did not run the command to add the key
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18:42<kiretooo>hi to all
18:42<kiretooo>i have a question
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18:42<kiretooo>i want to install latest nvidia drivers on debian 6 x64 squeeze
18:42<kiretooo>what i have to do?
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18:43<spidy>call youre girlfriend
18:43<kiretooo>now seriosly?
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18:44<kiretooo>someone ?
18:44<spidy>does it say in x?
18:44<spidy>update driver or some shit
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18:45<kiretooo>i haven't any drivers
18:45<kiretooo>i want to install
18:45<spidy>in ubuntu. it can update automatic
18:45<spidy>you just have to click..
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18:45<themill>spidy: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
18:45<kiretooo>i don't use ubuntu
18:45<spidy>additional drivers?
18:45<spidy>themill, not right now :)
18:45<spidy>but used it for some days
18:45<spidy>wasnt bad
18:46<kiretooo>root@Alpha:~# cat /etc/debian_version
18:46<spidy>is it good?
18:46<themill>spidy: less with the enter key and less with the random noise then, thanks.
18:46<themill>kiretooo: what's your motivation for chasing the latest nvidia?
18:46<chealer>kiretooo: if you don't mind, why do you want the latest version?
18:47<kiretooo>cuz the latest drivers are most stable and have less bugs
18:47<aussa>chealer: the system failed to start X, I had to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in order to enter X, where do I create the file then??? yesterday the same thing happened when I tried to configure the touchpad, instead of creating that xorg.conf file I had to edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf to configure it
18:48<kiretooo>so, i will be happy if someone help me with this
18:48<themill>kiretooo: newer doesn't mean better. It most certainly doesn't mean more stable and it can just mean "different bugs".
18:48<kiretooo>okay, in other side you're right
18:49<chealer>aussa: that is the right localtion. how did it fail? please provide the file's content.
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18:49<kiretooo>so in this case they're may not a latest just the point here is to have it
18:50<kiretooo>i have a really good video card and i want to use it
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18:51<aussa>chealer: maybe the "Video Card" line is wrong :S
18:53<kiretooo>and why xorg.conf missing?
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18:56<chealer>aussa: no, that's irrelevant in general
18:57<chealer>aussa: please provide the X's log when it failed to start
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18:57<aussa>where do I find it?
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18:57<chealer>aussa: in /var/log/
18:58<aussa>chealer: Xorg.0.log, Xorg.0.log.old or Xorg.1.log?
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18:58<chealer>aussa: presumably Xorg.0.log.old
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19:02<chealer>aussa: did you try installing squeeze's stock nvidia drivers version for your video card?
19:03<chealer>aussa: nevermind. how did you install the drivers?
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19:04<aussa>chealer: hahaha, I downloaded wheezy's nvidia-graphics-drivers source and built it on my system and then I installed the .deb files
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19:05<chealer>aussa: that apparently doesn't work, although it's not clear why.
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19:07<zeus>Hi all, i've upgraded from lenny to squeeze and my partitions are vanished. parted tells "Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
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19:08<aussa>chealer: how can I create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file that works... even with the mesa drivers or whatever not proprietary driver
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19:09<ffreitas>Guys I'm with Stephen Fry problem when compiling ... Use of uninitialized value in join or string at line 7 always fiddling with array
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19:10<ffreitas>alguem programa em perl
19:11<ffreitas>someone perl program
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19:15<zeus>is there anyone can help me with parted please ?
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19:16<Black_Prince>zeus, never say "is there anyone" or "can somebody help me" ... just state your question ...
19:17<ffreitas>Black_Prince you can help ?
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19:17<Black_Prince>ffreitas, I don't know perl ... maybe you can try joining #perl on freenode
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19:18<rodrigo_>I'm trying to install libssl-dev, but I got this issue, any suggestions?
19:18<rodrigo_>The following packages have unmet dependencies: libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8g-16ubuntu3) but 0.9.8g-16ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
19:18<rodrigo_>E: Broken packages
19:18<Black_Prince>dpkg, ubuntu
19:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:18<Black_Prince>rodrigo_, ^
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19:19<zeus>Black_Prince: My problem is that i can not mount my partitions anymore. I've dist-upgraded to squeeze. ls /dev/sd* report not all partitions and parted print says Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
19:19<rodrigo_>But are there suggestions on forcing this dependency with apt-get?
19:19<Black_Prince>rodrigo_, ask in #ubuntu on freenode.
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19:20<Black_Prince>zeus, what does fdisk -l say?
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19:20<zeus>Black_Prince: Unable to seek on /dev/sda
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19:21<Black_Prince>zeus, when upgrading from lenny to squeeze there is a prompt that asks you to migrate to uuid based mounting. In newer kernels CONFIG_IDE is deprecated and all IDE devices are recognised as ATA
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19:22<windows98>anyone here familiar with what might cause Xorg -configure to fail and produce a fatal error saying module fbcon not found?
19:23<Black_Prince>windows98, fbcon is just warning, which means fbcon module is built-in into kernel.
19:23<Black_Prince>windows98, that error can ocur if correct drivers aren't installed.
19:23<aussa>chealer: and what if I install wheezy's nvidia-xconfig even with the bug...
19:23<zeus>I know this. I've migrated to UUIDs, but the problem now is not fstab relaed (or partition name related). /dev/sd* does not list all my existing partitions.
19:24<Black_Prince>zeus, lost partitions?
19:24<zeus>Obviously if i reboot in lenny (2.6.26) all partitions are there !
19:24<zeus>Black_Prince: yes, lost !
19:25<windows98>thank you Black_Prince. because yes everything is working, but that error was buggin' me :\
19:25<windows98>do you know anything about INIT: id "co" respawning too fast, disabling for 5 minutes?
19:25<windows98>i can't find any information on what the co is for
19:26<Black_Prince>windows98, any modems?
19:26<zeus>Black_Prince: Unable to seek on /dev/sda it seems due to a bug in the old lenny partman. It has aligned partition to sectors and not to cylinders. Or something similar. I'm not an expert
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19:26<windows98>nope, i am all wireless
19:27<Black_Prince>windows98, check /etc/inittab ... and see if there is line begining with "co: " ...
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19:28<windows98>interesting... there was earlier, but now its gone.. i didn't remove it though lol
19:29<windows98>oh wait. im an idiot
19:29<windows98>im on the wrong installation
19:29<Black_Prince>dpkg, lol
19:29<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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19:31<rodrigo_>dpkg, pc
19:31<dpkg>A PC is a Personal Computer. A Macintosh is a PC. PC doesn't automatically mean x86, damn it. "Performance Computing" in <PowerPC>, or Politically Correct
19:31<Black_Prince>zeus, do you have windows installed?
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19:32<zeus>Black_Prince: Absolutely NOT ! There is only debian
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19:32<windows98>ok i will brb
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19:33<Black_Prince>ok ... It happened to me once and there was a bug in windows partitioner ... screwed up extended one ... And it seems that your problem is exactly what you stated ... your extended partition does not start on cylinder boundary. Similar bug has been discussed on launchpad
19:33<rodrigo_>Black_Prince: there ain't no answer (perhaps someone alive) in Ubuntu chat
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19:34<rodrigo_>Is there any tip on using APT-GET by forcing a dependency? I've found nothing on "man apt-get".
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19:35<windows98>almost forgot where i was
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19:36<windows98>co:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty hvc0 9600 linux
19:36<zeus>Black_Prince: Listen, i do not need to recover "lost" partitions. Because i've lost only a swap partition and /home. I have a full backup of my /home. I now only need to recreate those partitions. Is there a way to do this ?
19:37<Black_Prince>zeus, sure ... any live cd (gparted would be the best) ...
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19:38<zeus>Black_Prince: I didn't mention before. I can not reboot the pc because it's 500 Km far away.
19:38<zeus>Black_Prince: Is there any way to do this
19:38<zeus>Black_Prince: Is there any way to do this on a running system ?
19:38<Black_Prince>zeus, well ... you could try ... but in any case, reboot is required to write partition table ...
19:39<Black_Prince>zeus, But I think you should be safe if nothing on / isn't touched.
19:40<zeus>Black_Prince: go on please ...
19:40<Black_Prince>zeus, fdisk or cfdisk ... I am no expert on that one :)
19:40<Black_Prince>fdisk and mkfs is sufficient.
19:41<zeus>Black_Prince: how can i do this if fdisk report error ?
19:41<Black_Prince>zeus, fdisk /dev/sda ?
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19:41<zeus>Black_Prince: let's see ...
19:42<zeus>Black_Prince: Unable to seek on /dev/sda
19:42<kop>zeus: You could have hardware problems. Does the disk have smart?
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19:43<kop>zeus: Look at the output of dmesg to see what your device is (and the boot logs in /var/log/messages can help too.) Or poke about in /sys/.
19:43<windows98>Black_Prince, what would cause my flash player to be choppy on full screen installations of Debian Testing but work just fine on my aptosid installation?
19:43<zeus>Black_Prince: yes ... the -t long test report no error (test PASSED)
19:43<kop>zeus: That's good.
19:43<Black_Prince>windows98, drivers?
19:44<Black_Prince>zeus, some suggest to try cfdisk instead of fdisk ... But I don't know that one ... So I can't help you there.
19:44<kop>zeus: So, you know the device is /dev/sda, right?
19:44<zeus>kop: it's not an hardware fault. if i rebbot in lenny it works graet
19:44<zeus>kop: it's not an hardware fault. if i rebbot in lenny it works great
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19:45<zeus>kop: yes. the device is /dev/sda
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19:45<kop>zeus: Ah, so I see the problem is an upgrade. Did you follow the release notes? I'm guessing not.
19:45<zeus>Black_Prince: Thank you any way for your help
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19:46<zeus>kop: Yes. I followed ... infact i have a backup !
19:46<kop>So you upgraded partially, then upgraded the kernel and udev, then rebooted, then finished the upgrade, right?
19:46<zeus>kop: the problem seems related to a strange partition map ( partman )
19:47<windows98>Black_Prince, how can i know what driver i am using?
19:47<kop>zeus: Is there info in the irc history above as to the error you get?/when it fails?
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19:47<Black_Prince>windows98, by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:47<zeus>kop: no. all the dist-upgrade process is completed without errors. I've rebooted and i cannot access no mo to my other partitions
19:48<zeus>kop: wait a sec
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19:48<zeus>kop: here is my first help request. Hi all, i've upgraded from lenny to squeeze and my partitions are vanished. parted tells "Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
19:49<Black_Prince>zeus, google says that you are not only one ...
19:49<kop>zeus: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
19:50<zeus>Black_Prince: I know, damn !
19:50<kop>zeus: So "no"? How did you upgrade then?
19:51<kop>zeus: You got as far as the reboot step?
19:51<zeus>Black_Prince: it also seems there is no way to predict this problem. I have to migrate two other Lenny installation. And If this machine is not mission critical if i have problems with other two ... I think i'll be fired !
19:51<windows98>Black_Prince: my graphics card is an intel gm965, the log file shows that being loaded and also vesa and fbdev drivers. is it normal to have multiple drivers load?
19:52<kop>windows98: yes. Compare with the driver loaded in your other distro. It could also be that newer versions work better....
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19:52<Black_Prince>windows98, it shows same here ... it will load best matching driver.
19:53<kop>zeus: At what point is parted even running? What are you doing when you get this message?
19:54<Black_Prince>zeus, also
19:54<zeus>kop: Following debian migation to squeeze tutorial i've dist-upgraded. The dist-upgrade prcess gave me no errors at all. I've rebooted and while booting linux tolt me it wasn't able to mount some partitions. Hitting ctrl-d i've completd the boot process in squeeze without errors
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19:54<kop>zeus: What tuitorial? The release notes I'm talking about are the offical ones at
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19:55<Black_Prince>zeus, I have found this one too ... Maybe it can help
19:55<zeus>kop: because the first partition is / and it caontain all the debian files (/var /usr /bin and so on are all on /dev/sda1)
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19:55<zeus>the problem is i can not mount anymore /dev/sda6 (swap) and //dev/sda7 (/home)
19:57<kop>zeus: I'm trying to ask you exactly what you typed to upgrade so we can rule out upgrade problems. So?
19:57<zeus>kop: Yes, i wrote tutorial but i mean release-notes (from
19:57<kop>zeus: Meanwhile, when you said "boot into lenny" you mean boot the upgraded system with the old lenny kernel or boot a complete backup.
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19:57<kop>zeus: ?
19:58<kop>zeus: Ok. Good.
19:58<chealer>aussa: your X configuration file is "working". it's just the nvidia driver having problems
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19:59<kop>zeus: Fortunately, the outcome _is_ predictable. If your partitions are "wrong" you should be able to tell ahead of time and do something to fix them. But that's for later.
19:59<chealer>aussa: which video card do you use?
19:59<zeus>kop: When i say boot to lenny i mean that i select the lenny kernel at grub with the system upgraded to squeeze.
20:00<kop>zeus: Ok. So, something in the initramfs is running parted and parted is unhappy. Let's see....
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20:01<windows98>Black_Prince: so i should not necessarily be able to run Xorg -configure?
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20:02<aussa>chealer: geforce GT 425m
20:03<aussa>chealer: where is X configuration file located?
20:03<zeus_>kop: I'm here again. So to update i've cecked i had no pinned packages (i do not use backports or other repos so i've skipped those steps)
20:03<gavroche>i was wondering if someone might help me out with a cgi-script
20:03<zeus_>kop: i've updeted my sources.list and after an aptitute update i've done an aptitude dist-upgrade
20:04<chealer>aussa: the main X configuration file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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20:04<gavroche>first of all is it correct, and secondly how would i add information to search the database/table?
20:04<kop>zeus_: No problem. Did you happen to look through all the release notes to see if there's any mention of this problem and a solution? (I don't recall anything but may not have read throughly.)
20:04<aussa>chealer: I don't have one
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20:04<zeus_>kop: sure. the problem is not mentioned
20:05<kop>zeus_: Wait a moment. The lenny->squeeze release notes say to use apt-get instead of aptitude. ?
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20:05<chealer>aussa: you don't have one? didn't you say you created it?
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20:06<aussa>chealer: yes but I removed it because it wasn't letting me enter X
20:06<kop>zeus_: Or do you mean you used aptitude just now?
20:06<zeus_>kop: that's my only difference. I 've always used aptitude and i've used aptitude instead of apt-get
20:06<chealer>aussa: well... I suppose it's normal you don't have it if you removed it.
20:07<aussa>I mean I have never had one, not even for mesa drivers
20:07<zeus_>kop: it this a big problem ? debian release notes say apt-get it's a more suitable option but do not tell to NOT USE aptitude
20:07<kop>zeus_: It seems to have "worked" but they said to use apt-get instead of aptitude for a reason. You can go back to using aptitude after the upgrade is finished.
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20:07<chealer>aussa: you don't need one, until you want a specific driver or settings
20:07<kop>zeus_: In the future you want to follow the release notes. But anyway....
20:07<chealer>aussa: what happens if you try to load the nvidia module ( # modprobe nvidia ) ?
20:07<aussa>chealer: oh ok
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20:08<zeus_>kop: I promise ! :-)
20:08<kop>zeus_: Let me look at the links that Black_Prince dug up.
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20:08<aussa>running "modprobe nvidia"
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20:09<aussa>chealer: by running "modprobe nvidia"
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20:11<kop>zeus_: So "fdisk -lu /dev/sda" won't work? Is there anything in dmesg after you do that? Can you pastebin your /etc/fstab please?
20:12<zeus_>kop: yes... just a sec
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20:15<zeus_>kop: i've also added the sfdisk -l oputput
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20:17<Black_Prince>aptitude dist-upgrade is listed in official upgrade guidelines?
20:17<zeus_>kop: dmes has no new lines the last line is related to 4 hours ago
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20:17<gavroche>can anyone help me with a cgi script?
20:18<Black_Prince>apt-get update && apt-get install apt dpkg libc6 linux-image-2.6 && apt-get dist-upgrade is probbably best way.
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20:18<Black_Prince>gavroche, try #perl on freenode (I presume it is a perl script)
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20:20<zeus_>can the dmesg full output be helpful ?
20:20<dvs>Black_Prince: Why are you guessing when the instructions are written out in full?
20:20<gavroche>nah black prince, sorry php, but have trouble getting into #php ##php
20:20<Black_Prince>dvs, no idea. I never read them. I installed plain squeeze
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20:21<Black_Prince>gavroche, what is the problem with your script?
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20:23<kop>zeus_: Your fstab says /dev/hda, why, or why are we looking at sda? (I now turn into a pumpkin and leave. I'll be back in a few hours, perhaps) In any case, I'm sure you can, say, shrink the filesystem and then shrink the partition table and recover. If that's really the problem. First step is to figure out exactly what's wrong lest we break things further.
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20:24<zeus_>kop: under 2.6.26 the device is named hda. under 2.6.32 the same device is named /dev/sda
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20:25<zeus_>kop: now i'm running 2.6.32 (squeeze) so i use /dev/sda (infact my root filesystem is /dev/sda1)
20:26<dvs>zeus_: you should use the UUID instead.
20:27<zeus_>dvs: the dist-upgrade process has done this for me. This is not a UUID problem. Partitions are NOT detected under 2.6.32
20:27<dvs>but do in 2.6.26? weird.
20:28<zeus_>dvs: really weired. it's a partition map problem. Not a debian/linux problem
20:29<Black_Prince>zeus_, and fdisk -lu /dev/sda does not report anythung?
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20:30<zeus_>kop: you mentioned before that there is a way to predict this problem. May I ask you how ?
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20:35<zeus_>I'm leaving ... i think i'll came back in some hours. Thank you to people who helped me !
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20:55<zoufeng>anybody here?
20:55<lastnode>hi zoufeng
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20:56<zoufeng>Do you know when the latest Debin released?
20:57<craigevil>zoufeng, /msg dpkg squeeze
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20:58<zoufeng>I see,thank you.
20:58<allorder> /msg dpkg squeeze
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21:25<aussa>wols: hi
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21:31<aussa>hi, I installed the nvidia drivers "the debian way", now I want to configure X to use the nvidia driver, I don't want to use nvidia-xconfig because of a bug, I want to do it the manual way, I created a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with a configuration code, that file prevented me from enter X at boot, now I don't know what to do...
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21:41<jankidudel>hi, my USB is empty, but only 40 mbs from 4 GB can be used, when formatting it says "error creating file system" dev/sdb1 is mounted , Pendrive's filesystem type is Ms dos
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21:50<jankidudel>could anyone help to format my USB"s . I don't know what's the problem, just says /dev/sdb is busy , on both USB drives
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21:59<Bushmills>umount them. your automatic mounting has kicked in
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22:01<jankidudel>haha, thank, I found it too :) umount /dev/sdb1
22:02<nutron>so, seems that some mirrors are down...? Should I specify a specific mirror? If so, which one?
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22:02<Bushmills>aussa: fix it
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22:03<aussa>Bushmills: how?
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22:03<Bushmills>by removing or changing the offending line(s)
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22:05<aussa>Bushmills: this is what I had on the xorg.conf file:, which line is wrong?
22:06<mosno>does Thunar in Squeeze not have copy dialogs?
22:06<Bushmills>consult your xorg log file
22:06<mosno>i don't see any progress meter
22:09<chealer>aussa: as I told you, your configuration file is fine. something non-obvious is wrong with the drivers. #nvidia may be more helpful.
22:10<aussa>chealer: ok, #nvidia @freenode?
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22:11<Sark>Hello channel.
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22:20<TwoD>hello anyone well versed with privacy issues online...specifically with Google?
22:22<TwoD>i'll try the offtopic channel...sorry :)
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22:23<mosno>strange, i retried the file copy, and now i have a progress dialog
22:23<mosno>even though it was definitely copying before (destination dir tree size was growing)
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22:32<chealer>aussa: yes
22:32<aussa>chealer: before you told me to run "modprobe nvidia", I did
22:32<chealer>aussa: again, telling us the output when you load nvidia may be useful
22:33<aussa>chealer: running "modprobe nvidia"?
22:34<chealer>aussa: yes, # modprobe nvidia
22:34<aussa>chealer: I did, no output...
22:35<chealer>aussa: OK, that doesn't help then
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22:35<aussa>chealer:hahhaa, is that bad or good?
22:40<chealer>aussa: it's good in the sense that it's normal, bad in the sense that it doesn't help you find what is wrong
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22:52<aussa>chealer: say I install nvidia-xconfig, say I reboot my system and X does not start, just by purging nvidia-xconfig I will be able to enter X again?
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22:54<Sark>aussa - rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
22:55<chealer>aussa: no. and your problem is not your X configuration
22:55<aussa>chealer: ok :(
22:56<Sark>I just had the same problem a half hour ago. I had installed the nvidia stuff, and it wrote a bogus xorg.conf file. Renaming it and using the defaults worked to get X to load again
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22:58<aussa>Sark: ok, so you are saying I should install nvidia-xconfig and then change the name of the file it creates? :S
22:59<Sark>no, just that if you hose it up, that might be able to get you back to where you were before
23:01<aussa>oh ok
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23:27<aussa>Sark: were you able to configure your drivers, do you have 3D acceleration?
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23:29<Sark>I have 3d.
23:29<Sark>I wound up using the drivers from Nvidia, since my card is too old to be supported by the Debian packaged version.
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23:33<ThomasJ73>Hi everyone.
23:33<Sark>Hello ThomasJ73
23:34<ThomasJ73>Ws wondering if someone might be able to answer a few questions I have about Ubuntu. I have installed it to a 60GB portable drive to use at home and work.
23:35<ThomasJ73>However, I made some changes, downloaded a few apps & images and when I rebooted, everything was gone/back to original state
23:35<wols>ThomasJ73: we are not able to since this is not #ubuntu. please ask the ubuntu folks about their distribution
23:35<ThomasJ73>Also, after I used the universal usb installer, it shows I only have 25MB free
23:36<ThomasJ73>Yeah, no one in there :\
23:36<wols>!they don't know
23:36<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
23:36<sney>!ubuntuirc ThomasJ73
23:36<dpkg>ThomasJ73: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
23:36<ThomasJ73>Thought maybe someone in here mught be be running it
23:36<sney>wols: he probably just did /join #ubuntu on here
23:36<sney>but since #ubuntu is on a different network...
23:36<Sark>Yeah, sorry. Can't help you. I use Debian. :)
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23:37<Sark>The distros are based on the same sort of package manager, but the installer and default envionments are very different.
23:37<Sark>environments even.
23:37<sney>thomasj73: if you were using debian we could certainly help. something to consider. Debian support is almost always awake.
23:37<ThomasJ73>Thank you, Sark.
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23:38<ThomasJ73>sney: Just trying different live distro's that I can trasport from work to home
23:39<ThomasJ73>Sorry to bother you all. Have a good day/night
23:39<Sark>ThomasJ73, If you're installing on a USB hard drive, you don't need a "live" distro. Just a regular installation.,
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23:40<Sark>Wouldn't happen to be anyone here that's proficient with xkb or the keyboard modmaps, would there? I'm trying to correct a nagging problem with the numeric keypad not functioning as arrow keys...
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23:48<aussa>recommended forum to post my problem?
23:48<sney>what problem
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23:51<chealer>aussa: did you ask #nvidia? I would ask on their forum.
23:51<aussa>I did, no answer
23:51<Luigi>Hi, so I'm updating a Debian-Unstable box and for some reason it failed in the middle of configuring linux-base, and it asked for permission to make a change in /etc/fstab. It was saying something about a UUID change but it doesn't appear to have modified the file. What can I do?
23:52<Luigi>Oh, hold on
23:52<wols>Luigi: you should learn to give exact error messages. we still don't know how it failed
23:52<IsoPop>hello all. I am thinking about tunneling certain things through my home debian box from my laptop while at coffee shops. Does the tunnel need to be done at the router(home) or can it be cone @ my node?
23:52<wols>!tell aussa about nvidia dkms
23:52<Luigi>I was going to wols, but running dpkg --configure -a a third time seems to have fixed it.
23:53<wols>aussa: this exactly tells you what to use for a config file, and it's not xorg.conf (that one would be empty in your case)
23:53<Luigi>I'm not certain what the original problem was, the output text was scrambled a bit among newlines
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