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---Logopened Thu Sep 08 00:00:24 2011
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00:00<aussa>hi, is there a virtualbox support channel?
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00:09<edx>hello someone from mexico?
00:10<sney>this is a computer help channel, try or something
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00:15<edx>thank u snay
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00:16<hagom>hello sney
00:16<hagom>thanks for your help the other day
00:17<sney>hi hagom, no problem it's why I come here
00:17<hagom>do you know where I can find thunderbird 64 bit?
00:18<sney>under debian, thunderbird is called 'icedove'
00:18<sney>it's the same software
00:18<hagom>I know
00:18<hagom>but the repository has old icedove
00:18<hagom>I want the new
00:18<aussa>hi, I can't enable the "Enable 3D acceleration" check box in VirtualBox, already installed the guest additions, I don't know what I did wrong
00:18<sney> should
00:18<sney>aussa: have you restarted since installing virtualbox?
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00:19<aussa>mmm.... the host or guest system?
00:20<aussa>ok ty
00:20<sney>try that. virtualbox needs to load some modules and set up some things during init, the easiest way to let it do this is to reboot
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00:20<hagom>aussa: by experience, when you install a VM you should restart for some changes works
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00:21<hagom>but sney according to this link, icedove and iceweasel are backported for debian
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00:22<sney>hagom: that's correct, icedove 'release' from is the current version (or close to it)
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00:38<hagom>does somebody know how to improve alsa performance?
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00:44<Omar_jawd>Hi all
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00:45<Vlam>anyone use vsftpd?
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01:03<butteromnom>hello, currently i think i might have some driver issues. i cant use any opengl programs i make because they end up segfaulting, and even fglrxinfo segfaults. any ideas?
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01:07<sney>butteromnom: is fglrx loaded? how did you install it?
01:07<sney>also, what debian version and what gpu
01:07<butteromnom>i think it was already installed. would that cause my opengl applications to break?
01:07<butteromnom>versions 6.0.2 and an integrated gpu
01:08<sney>Debian does not come with any proprietary video drivers installed
01:08<sney>so if fglrxinfo is present on your system, either you installed it yourself, or maybe someone else did it for you
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01:09<butteromnom>i installed the vesa drivers
01:09<butteromnom>before i upgraded to squeeze from lenny, i didnt have these problems
01:10<sney>when you were using lenny, did you have full 3d support?
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01:11<butteromnom>im not sure what that means. But I didnt have segfaults when i was using lenny
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01:11<wolfpython>hi ,I was wondering why there is no doc at all in /usr/share/doc/guile-doc after installing the guile-doc package
01:11<waster>hello, can I ask some help about filesystem performance on debian?
01:12<wolfpython> it only contains changelog , copyright and NEWs
01:12<sney>butteromnom: well you have this idea that you should be able to use fglrxinfo, so do you know fglrxgears?
01:12<wolfpython>I thought it should have the guile doc from GNU Guile project
01:13<sney>waster: you can ask
01:13<sney>wolfpython: look at the description for that package, maybe there will be some information there
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01:13<waster>I have default ext3 400G partitition on hardware RAID5 for storing maildirs
01:14<waster>it has about 27 millions of files now
01:14<waster>and really poor performance as I see after bonnie++ and it causes high load
01:15<sney>butteromnom: basically, any application that has 'fglrx' in the name is directly related to fglrx, which is ati's proprietary driver for the HD2000 series and newer of Radeon GPUs. If you don't have one of these GPUs, or you don't need 3d support, then fglrxinfo is irrelevant to you
01:15<waster>Sequential Output(Block): 9931 K/sec, Latency: 10722ms
01:15<butteromnom>sney: ah, my forum surfing for how i broke my opengl wasnt successful. any suggestions?
01:16<sney>butteromnom: I can probably help you fix it, but I'll need more information than just "onboard video" as to what hardware you have - what's the output in a terminal of 'lspci -nn |grep -i vga' ?
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01:19<butteromnom>sney: 00:02.0 VGA compatible conrtroller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 12)
01:19<waster>does it mean that ext3 is really bad for such things?
01:20<sney>butteromnom: ok, so you have intel graphics. it'll be a good idea to remove whatever you did that gave you fglrxinfo
01:20<waster>ufs handled it really faster on previous FreeBSD server
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01:21<butteromnom>sney: suppose i dont recall what that was, is there a trivial way to find out?
01:22<aussa>hi, how do I add myself to the vboxusers group? or how can I check if I'm already in it?
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01:24<sney>butteromnom: well, if you can't dig it up then the next best thing is to delete/rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf so everything can be autodetected
01:24<sney>restart X and then see what happens
01:25<Hydroxide>butteromnom: you might want to make sure something hasn't moved aside your libGL* with an fglrx-specific version
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01:26<sney>ah yeah, that too, eesh
01:26<butteromnom>Hydroxide: How would I verify that?
01:26<Hydroxide>butteromnom: maybe debsums -c | grep libGL and wait a while (you might have to install debsums first)
01:27<Hydroxide>butteromnom: alternatively, if you're sure you didn't use an installer from the ATI/AMD website, you can maybe do dpkg -l '*fglrx*' or dpkg-divert --list | grep libGL
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01:29<sney>maybe even 'aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx' would take care of it
01:30<Hydroxide>yeah, that might fix it, possibly.
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01:32<Hydroxide>sney: though also libglu1-mesa and possibly (not familiar with this) libglew1.5
01:32<aussa>hi, how do I add myself to the vboxusers group? or how can I check if I'm already in it?
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01:33<Hydroxide>aussa: to check, type 'groups' as your user. to add yourself, type 'adduser yourusername vboxusers' as root, assuming vboxusers already exists as a group. then log out of your user and log back in
01:35<aussa>well, "groups" showed me this: andres cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev bluetooth netdev, but "adduser andres vboxusers" showed me this: The user `andres' is already a member of `vboxusers'.
01:36<Hydroxide>aussa: maybe you didn't log out and log in.
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01:36<aussa>I did: su; adduser andres vboxusers
01:36<Hydroxide>nope. I mean log out of your desktop
01:37<Hydroxide>and then log back in.
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01:37<Hydroxide>the new group won't take effect for existing login sessions
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01:38<Hydroxide>there are ways to work around that temporarily, but it's rather confusing and error-prone, so unless there's a strong reason it's not acceptable to log out, do that
01:38<butteromnom>sney: after reinstalled libglu1-mesa-glx, should i restart x?
01:39<Hydroxide>butteromnom, sney: shouldn't actually matter, at least for newly launched programs. that's all client-side.
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01:40<butteromnom>Hydorxide: hm, my program still segfaults :[
01:40<sney>butteromnom: what does 'glxinfo |grep -i direct' say
01:40<butteromnom>should I reinstall libglu1-mesa?
01:41<butteromnom>sney: nothing
01:41<Hydroxide>butteromnom: yes, aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa
01:41<Hydroxide>butteromnom: notice those are different - one has a u, one has a -glx
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01:47<aussa>ok, it worked, ty
01:48<aussa>can't enable 3D acceleration, I installed the guest additions, and restarted my system...
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01:51<butteromnom>sney, hydroxide: i have reinstalled both, however gl thread still fails
01:51<scinl>aussa: What are you enabling the 3d acceleration for?
01:51<scinl>The 3d acceleration is so shitty that it's probably not worthwhile, depending on what you're using it for.
01:52<scinl>If frames per second is important to you, and it requires 3d acceleration, see if it's working in Wine, is my professional suggestion.
01:53<scinl>I run Ultima Online, Continuum/Subspace, and even Counter-Strike:Source in virtualbox.
01:53<scinl>I run Ultima Online, Counter-Strike:Source in Wine.
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01:54<scinl>I'm currently installing Windows so that I can get more than 7 FPS in League of Legends.
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01:55<aussa>I have a Win7 virtual machine, in which I run SolidWorks which is a CAD app, it worked, not perfect but it did, and I had 3d acceleration enabled, now, I reinstalled debian, and I added the .vdi file to virtualbox, and then I installed the guest additions, now SolidWorks is not working, and I can't enable the 3d acceleration
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01:56<aussa>I don't think so, how do I check that?
01:56<scinl>$ sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
01:57<aussa>I installed virtualbox-4.1
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02:05<aussa>what do I do?
02:07<butteromnom>Hydroxide: after installing both, does that mean ill be using different drivers for my gpu?
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02:12<Hydroxide>butteromnom: nah, you don't have an ati/amd gpu anyway. those are just standard things for any of the free drivers.
02:13<butteromnom>Hydroxide: to be honest, Im not really sure what my problem is here :[
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02:26<butteromnom>Is there some trivial way to install generic drivers that will work?
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02:30<Bushmills>butteromnom: modprobe
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02:32<butteromnom>Bushmills: Could you expand on that, please?
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02:33<Bushmills>man modprobe can
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02:34<butteromnom>Bushmills: is there some standard generic gpu drivers that i should know about?
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02:35<Bushmills>such as the vesa driver, maybe? or vga driver?
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02:37<butteromnom>Bushmills: is the xserver-xorg-video-vesa what I want?
02:38<Bushmills>not sure whether you want it. but that's the vesa driver for xorg.
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02:40<butteromnom>hm, the package was already installed. does that imply im currently using vesa drivers?
02:40<Bushmills>no. that only means that the driver was installed
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02:46<aussa>haven't been able to configure X to use the nvidia drivers, do you recommend me to install nvidia-xconfig??
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02:47<butteromnom>Bushmills: and id use modproble to do so?
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03:00<aussa>how do I configure X to use the nvidia drivers?
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03:01<scinl>I am having difficulty with a SATA drive, and a good [SOLVED] post, tells me to download and install the "ms-sys.deb" package...
03:01<scinl> is listed, but that's obviously not what I want
03:01<scinl>Is there any equivelant?
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03:09<aussa>non of the xorg.conf files had worked for me, all of them prevents me from entering X, I have to remove the X config file in order to enter.... what do I do? any solution?
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03:10<dirichle1>identify csuamdf85
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03:20<prahal>aussa: tried nouveau driver first ? which distro (squeeze , wheezy ) ? if nouveau driver is not an option then use nvidia config tool should do
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03:25<tux-matt>need help with nivda video card drivers
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03:26<tux-matt>can anyone help
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03:26<prahal>butteromnom: do you know how to use "aptitude" else there is synaptic to maange packages . I hope you did not installed fglrx by hand (ie the non debian installer) else it will become pretty hard to fix .
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03:27<prahal>then search for fglrx pacakges and remove them , search for mesa packages and reinstall all those that are installed
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03:27<prahal>then start glxxgears and paste the output if not working
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03:27<prahal>tux-matt: what is your issue ?
03:29<tux-matt>when i try to install my video card driver it says i am running a x sever
03:29<tux-matt>i ant running no sever
03:29<prahal>you try to install it via the package maanger ?
03:29<prahal>or nvidia own installer ?
03:29<tux-matt>no i download it though
03:30<prahal>first try to use the debian package available via the debian package manager
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03:30<tux-matt>tough the software center
03:31<prahal>yes . it could be a bit older than on nvidia site though it will be made to install well
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03:32<tux-matt>dont have it
03:32<prahal>enable non-free and contrib in the "sources" for the package manager
03:33<prahal>ie there are no sources for nvidia driver so it is not in main repository . You might want to test "nouveau" driver first (it lacks CUDA but it might not be an issue for you)
03:35<prahal>sorry not to tell exactly where to add "non-free" and contrib in software center . I greew accustomed to editing the files by hand and using aptitude package manager so I do not use the software center very often
03:35<tux-matt>i found it
03:36<tux-matt>thanks for your help
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03:43<tux-matt>i dont eather
03:43<tux-matt>its apt-get install for me
03:44<tux-matt>it installs it from the software center any how
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03:53<s4br3>Hi, my recent Inkscape installation in Debian "testing" has gone corrupt. I no longer can copy and paste or open old Inkscape .svg files, even if Gimp can open them. .eps works fine as far as reopening older files is concerned. Deleting preferences.xml and have it autogenerated does not help. what else can I look out for?
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04:04<prahal>ie what are the permissions of /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/ ? ls -ld /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/
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04:12<s4br3>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 1 21:28 modules/
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04:25<robbiethe1st>Ok guys... Level with me: Who's messed up idea was it to decide that rebooting a debian system(debian sid in my case) doesn't do a full reboot, and instead does some sort of half-assed reboot that begins with "starting kernel"?
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04:25<robbiethe1st>...And how do I fix it?
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04:31<lindi->robbiethe1st: kexec
04:32<lindi->robbiethe1st: I already replied to e.g. #640677
04:32<lindi->robbiethe1st: please report this as a bug
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04:32<robbiethe1st>Link, please?
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04:32<lindi->robbiethe1st: hmm?
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04:36<robbiethe1st>lindi-, erm... <lindi-> robbiethe1st: please report this as a bug
04:37<robbiethe1st>s4br3, Yea. ok. fine. Now how do I disable it?
04:37<lindi->robbiethe1st: you use testing and don't know how to report bugs..?
04:37<robbiethe1st>lindi-, I've never had to.
04:37<robbiethe1st>Plus, I'm not sure this is a bug :\
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04:39<robbiethe1st>Hm... removing kexec-tools ought to do the trick
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04:43<s4br3>prahal: It appears i already had the correct permissions on that directory
04:45<lindi->robbiethe1st: it definitely is a bug
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04:48<prahal>s4br3: hum did you use (-d switch . What you showed to me was the directory inside it
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04:51<s4br3>True! "/etc# ls -ld /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/" gives: "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 1 21:27 /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/"
04:52<prahal>ok . There was a second issue in the bugreport about locale . What is the ouput of running inkspace and loading the files that do not work inside a temrinal
04:55<s4br3>If i start it from the terminal I get this error message in the terminal window: "(inkscape:8120): libgnomevfs-CRITICAL **: gnome_vfs_uri_is_local: assertion `uri != NULL' failed"
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04:56<afuentes>I want my apt to autoupdate the system. My doubt is if i should set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades or in /etc/cron.daily/apt
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04:58<s4br3>afuentes: That sounds dangerous
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05:00<afuentes>i know, s4br3 i want just to test how it goes in my desktop machine to get an idea of how often it breaks... and if i rather that than to be obsolete on servers
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05:00<afuentes>maybe and upgrade for debian-security only or something like that
05:00<prahal>afuentes: there is a package to do that
05:01<afuentes>prahal, I saw 2, apticron and cron-apt but if apt can take care of it itself i think it would be better, wouldnt it?
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05:03<wblitz>hi everyone
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05:04<wblitz>i'm building a custom package
05:04<wblitz>it installs the program in /opt/<package>
05:04<wblitz>but, when i purge the package, it removes /opt dir
05:05<wblitz>how can i protect /opt to be deleted when i purge the package (when there is only <package> in /opt of course)
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05:06<s4br3>prahal: Maybe i found a solution here "" which suggests "apt-get install libgnome-vfs2.0-cil"
05:07<prahal>afuentes: cron-apt (apticron only send emails) . I only use cron-apt to pre download the packages . auto upgrade might be safe on stable though I am on unstable and it is a no go
05:08<prahal>afuentes: why so ? I mean apt is not a daemon , and cron-apt is just a cron script
05:09<prahal>s4br3: -cil is for mono . Weird . Might drag a few packages that helps in the process
05:09<s4br3>prahal: No, it didn't help. TW, I also get ""(inkscape:9536): WARNING **: Error: Could not open file '/home/s4br3/drawing-3.svg' with VFS"
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05:09<s4br3>I run KDE 4.6.5
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05:10<afuentes>prahal, my point is, the less packages involved, the less points of failure ^^. Besides, apt seems to contemplate the issue, why not use it? I run testing on desktop and half of the times i dont have time to check the updates and hit enter barely looking at the name of the packages...
05:10<s4br3>Sad, I need to leave. Have an appointment soonish... Gotta run
05:11<s4br3>Thanks for the feedback!
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05:11<afuentes>prahal, I may aswell let the apt do the upgrade and fix problems, if any, afterwards... im just going to check how well it works anyway :)
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05:11<afuentes>I have a farm of servers with stable, so its a pita to upgrade them manually :)
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05:12<afuentes>i plan to let the system handle the upgrades... Its not like a reboot often, but i think it should be safe
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05:13<prahal>afuentes: cron-apt calls apt
05:13<prahal>it is not a different tool
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05:14<prahal>only apt is not a daemon, ie it does not run whole day . SO it cannot start itself
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05:15<prahal>so if you write a cron file that calls apt . You would have reinvented the wheel :)
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05:16<prahal>about the farm . You might want to gice a shot at puppet
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05:17<lindi->update-notifier however is a daemon
05:18<Black_Prince>update-notifier is a service
05:18<prahal>well it needs a gui ?
05:18<prahal>at least to set it up
05:18<lindi->Black_Prince: service?
05:18<Black_Prince>It runs as normal user ... x session starts it
05:18<afuentes>prahal, the thing is i dont have to write a script... apt have the scripts to be used already, the file in cron and another in preferences.d. I just have to set a variable to 1 in either the crop script or the preferences script
05:18<prahal>daemon = unixxxx way of calling service
05:19<prahal>I believe it is so we feel better when calling kill on them :)
05:19<afuentes>prahal, i have in my todo list to checkout puppet, yes :) thanks
05:19<themill>prahal: remember that guy you were helping with mysql the other day? It wouldn't start etc.. very hard to get error messages out of him, kept offering for you to use teamviewer?
05:19<prahal>afuentes: been a long time I installed cron-apt . Might be that apt has a cron file nowadays . Thanks for the clue
05:20<themill>prahal: mysql couldn't bind the socket because he'd managed to screw up his loopback network device.
05:20<prahal>themill: yes I saw you succeeded in getting the thing running . What is weird is that at the time he ended up giving me a log telling there was no space on /var .
05:21<prahal>well I told him not to remove the lo iface
05:21<themill>yeah, that'd probably slow things down too...
05:21<themill>he was struggling.
05:21<adris>Does aptitude remove circular recommends, when all are flagged as being automatically installed?
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05:22<afuentes>prahal, it actually have two... (thats why my first question) /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and in /etc/cron.daily/apt its like duplicate functionality (in both i just have to set a varible to 1) im kinda new on this... witch one should i use?
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05:25<prahal>afuentes: apt.conf.d are for apt itself . I believe it is to make the upgrade process automatic (ie remove the debconf question UI and let the process complete
05:26<prahal>so you need both the cron to trigger the apt upgrade and the apt.conf.d to let the thing run without stopping waiting for you to answer
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05:27<themill>apt does have some configuration knobs that are purely there for the benefit of unattended-upgrades
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05:29<afuentes>omg, i think u are right prahal! the real deal is on the cron file only!
05:29<afuentes>I think i missread the conf file, thanks!
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05:33<prahal>afuentes: themill gave a new clue . Ie the apt.conf.d unattended file purpose is to let configure unattended-upgrades daemon
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05:36<afuentes>i do have unattended-upgrades installed... did apt installed this?
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05:39<Black_Prince>afuentes, apt-cache rdepends unattended-upgrades
05:40<prahal>afuentes: also about puppet . You might want to look into fabric too .
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05:42<afuentes>thanks for the packages prahal ;)
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05:43<prahal>afuentes:it is in the recommands of synaptic, software-center and update-notifier via python-software-properties dso it comes in quite easely
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05:43<afuentes>i see ^^
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06:10<CiccioPasticcio82>hello all, a simple question... which folders should/shall I exclude from my full system backup? (/tmp, /proc, /var/tmp... also /sys??)
06:10<disposable>i'm trying to run nsd3 (3.2.8) as an authoritative nameserver. every time i start it, i get "nsd[1224]: warning: xfrd: could not bind source address:port to socket: Cannot assign requested address" even though there's nothing bound to that ip address/port. this is on squeeze 2.6.32-5. has anybody else come across it?
06:11<rpetre>CiccioPasticcio82: imho it's better to use the "no filesystem traversal" flag in your scripts (-x for rsync, for instance) and include the ones you want
06:12<rpetre>also, see this
06:12<rpetre>!what to backup
06:12<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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06:13<CiccioPasticcio82>rpetre: I am on lvm... different volumes but same filesystem in all of them... will that exclusion flag work in this case? does it look at the devices or at filesys type only?
06:13<mosno>hardly critical
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06:14<CiccioPasticcio82>I am backing up /var (and var/www) with different frequency... so I use another backup profile for that
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06:14<rpetre>CiccioPasticcio82: it means "stay on this filesystem", i.e. rsync -x / won't inlcude /boot or /home if they're on different fs
06:15<CiccioPasticcio82>by now I am only interested in what is created by the system at boot time... e.g. (the /sys should be empty at boot time... so should I back it up or not?)
06:15<rpetre>but since /dev, /sys, /proc are always on different fs, they won't be included
06:15<CiccioPasticcio82>ok rpetre it is clear now
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06:16<CiccioPasticcio82>in my case they are all in the same root filesystem...
06:16<CiccioPasticcio82>only /var, the swap, var/data, /backup and /boot are on different volumes of the volume group
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06:20<CiccioPasticcio82>on some websites they suggest to exclude /sys and also /dev... on some others they don't mention these exclusions...
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06:23<CiccioPasticcio82> Content in system directories; /dev, /proc, /sys and /tmp are excluded because they are created by the system at runtime, while the directories themselves need to be preserved since they are not regenerated at boot.
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06:23<CiccioPasticcio82>and also this... Even though /dev is excluded, 4 files that are not dynamically created by udev need to be preserved. These are console, initctl, null and zero.
06:24<CiccioPasticcio82>but I think this is specific to Archlinux... is there a guide for debian full-systems backup?
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06:36<CiccioPasticcio82>also rpetre, please note this... I don't know if it is still applicable
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06:51<lindi->ComradeHaz`: just use -x
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07:07<dpkg>it has been said that pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
07:07<przemek>i need help
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07:55<eshat>Does anyone now of a system monitor for my virtual guests? I use libvirt with kvm on a server without GUI.
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08:28<jaco>i can not find the spanish server for debian... help
08:28<jaco>debian in spanish?
08:28<themill>jaco: #debian-es
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08:36<jaco>i am not geting help from the spanish chanel....
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08:38<jaco>i want to have a bog desktop in two screens
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08:47<anathema>bonjour, vous connaissez l'outil pour extraire le contenue d'un zip dans un repertoire en ligne de commande svp ?
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08:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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08:51<anathema>i would like extract a .zip file for a folder with terminal . What the device who can do it plz ?
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08:51<skilz>anathema, unzip?
08:51<themill>"unzip" is your friend.
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08:55<anathema>it's work tks :) , but who i can do to create a folder in same time as i use unzip sudo unzip "folder ?" ?
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08:57<ansgar>anathema: man unzip
08:58<skilz>anathema, sudo mkdir /new/dir && unzip /new/dir
08:58<anathema>yep, i'm reading :)
08:58<skilz>Just a guess, but it should work
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09:00<ansgar>skilz: Umm, mkdir does not need root permissions...
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09:00<skilz>Oops sorry
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09:12<neal>Is there a channel for APT (in particular, Python APT)?
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09:13<AzaToth>themill: :-P
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09:16<Rehnquist>hi all! i need some help with something... let's say we have a system set up in the following manner:
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09:17<Rehnquist>how can i know what is the router that it's configured to use?
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09:18<Rehnquist>what about the Destination field?
09:18<mosno>Rehnquist: that means "any IP address"
09:19<Rehnquist>i see. where can i see the speed of the interface?
09:19<mosno>Rehnquist: ethtool perhaps
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09:20<Rehnquist>mosno: ifconfig won't help?
09:20<mosno>Rehnquist: not sure
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09:20<mosno>Rehnquist: np
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09:23<Rehnquist>also... i read quite a bit on forums lately, i'm a bit confused about the usage of $ and # when people advise shell commands
09:23<Rehnquist>what does it actually mean?
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09:24<petemc>Rehnquist: # is prompt you get when you are root, $ is the prompt for a normal user
09:24<Rehnquist>ah thanks
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09:35<Rehnquist>is there any way to find out what commands were run from a tcpdump?
09:35<Rehnquist>the first four lines look like a ping
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09:37<Rehnquist>the next 8 possiblt a traceroute?
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09:39<anathema>can you help me whith shell plz ?
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09:42<Rehnquist>not sure, but maybe you should execute it from the same place the folder is placed?
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09:42<anathema>can you give more detail plz ?
09:43<neal>themill: I'm not sure what you mean.
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09:43<nyov>what kind of paste is that?
09:43<nyov>anathema: what are you trying to do there?
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09:43<neal>themill: Oh, I get it.
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09:44<anathema>i want do a shell code who's go on the folder who's download et create a folder "hma" and unzip
09:44<anathema>in the folder "hma"
09:45<nyov>mkdir hma; cd hma; unzip ../
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09:46<nyov>why do you want a shell script for that?
09:47<nyov>ooooh now i get your paste. sorry
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09:48<nyov>anathema: you should change that line to: sudo unzip -d hma44/
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09:54<Rehnquist>bump :)
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10:35<aussa>hi, I installed nvidia drivers with nvidia-installer, the I created and xorg.conf file, I thought it haven't worked because xdm wasn't appearing, but a black screen, even without seeing it I typed my user and password, and I entered X, now I want to check if I have 3D acceleration, how do I do that?
10:35<aussa>a xorg.conf*
10:36<towo`>nvidia-installer is not supportet
10:37<aussa>ok, I just want to see if I have 3D acceleration... do you know how?
10:37<towo`>start a 3d app
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10:37<towo`>or look with glxinfo
10:37<aussa>I saw this: glxinfo |grep rendering
10:38<aussa>but I don't have glxinfo...
10:38<towo`>this sayes nothing
10:38<aussa>how do I install glxinfo?
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10:38<towo`>install the package, which contains this tool
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10:39<aussa>can't find it
10:39<mosno>aussa: apt-file is your friend
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10:39<aussa>apt-get install mesa-utils?
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10:48<jthomas_>I'm running Firefox6.0.2 (not iceweasel) on Sid with KDE; every time I try to open my Downloads window or Preferences window, Firefox crashes. This was the case with Firefox5 as well. Anyone know why this may be??
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10:48<jthomas_>or even better, how to fix it?
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10:48<jthomas_>./firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/ undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_unescape_string
10:48<jthomas_>i'll start there
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10:50<jthomas_>found a woraround in
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10:56<quitte>slashdot linked to an article that concluded that bsd is faster at running linux games than linux with its linux abi. i guess that also means that a lfbsd kernel could be used for the i386 debian userspace and it might even make sense?
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10:57<mosno>quitte: you mean kfreebsd?
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10:58<quitte>mosno: yes
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10:59<lindi->quitte: last thing we want to support is non-free linux games on kfreebsd :P
10:59<mosno>quitte: what games would you want to play?'
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11:00<quitte>i'm more interested in a way to use a freebsd kernel with my linux userspace. it sounds doable.
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11:01<quitte>if there actually was a significant speed advantage it'd make linux and bsd way better comparable.
11:01<mosno>i'm more interested in a decent set of games for linux
11:01<mosno>read: zero effort
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11:02<quitte>mosno: i spent the better part of the last two days with privateer gemini gold
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11:03<lindi->quitte: why not just use kfreebsd?
11:03<mosno>quitte: love the visuals on that game
11:04<mosno>quitte: gameplay looks boring as hell
11:04<quitte>lindi-: there are a couple of proprietary programs.
11:04<mosno>i don't have any spare bandwidth for thinking after trying to configure debian
11:04<quitte>mosno: it is just as boring as privateer was. i love it.
11:04<mosno>or just live life in general
11:04<mosno>i like stupid, simple games mostly. the most complex i get is zelda
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11:05<quitte>mosno: try telltales puzzle agent.
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11:07<mosno>quitte: also looks boring
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11:09<quitte>lindi-: does kfreebsd have an equivalent to the initrds?
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11:09<lindi->quitte: not used on debian by default
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11:10<quitte>and the linux abi emulation is a module?
11:10<lindi->quitte: I think so
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11:11<lindi->quitte: I too thought about running normal linux userland. 6 years ago. now I understand it's not feasible :)
11:11<quitte>lindi-: dooes pivot_root exist and work the same?
11:11<lindi->quitte: pivot_root is not used on linux either
11:11<quitte>lindi-: what is the deal breaker?
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11:11<quitte>lindi-: switch_root then. whatever the initrd does last.
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11:11<lindi->quitte: switch_root isn't a syscall
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11:12<quitte>i was talking about the command.
11:12<lindi->quitte: but anyways, the linux syscall support in kfreebsd has been written only to run some non-free programs
11:13<lindi->quitte: for example gnu screen won't run since half of the terminal support is missing. good luck rewriting that without adding a lot of interesting bugs
11:13<lindi->quitte: also linux is changing quite fast, I doubt you can keep up
11:13<lindi->quitte: udev in debian unstable already requires linux 2.6.37 on ARM
11:14<lindi->quitte: so if you want to run debian gnu/linux binaries you need to implement all these linux APIs and really fast
11:14<quitte>ok. thanks. /me forgets about it.
11:14<prahal>gish is great game
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11:15<prahal>simple and efficient
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11:18<Rehnquist>i've asked this not long ago, sorry for bumping it - i need to find out what commands were run on a system from a tcpdump, but i'm largely clueless:
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11:19<Rehnquist>the first four seem to be ping and the next 8 lines look like a traceroute to me
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11:20<nyov>Rehnquist: I think the best you can do is guess as per the data that got transmitted, open that dump in wireshark and analyze it
11:22<Rehnquist>nyov: i have no further data, just the tcpdump from the pastebin
11:22<lindi->Rehnquist: that is incomplete
11:22<nyov>Rehnquist: well a real tcpdump file also includes what data goes
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11:24<Rehnquist>i know, but this is all i've been given. anyhow, an educated guess will suffice
11:25<nyov>Rehnquist: then the best you can probably do is try to emulate it; run a traceroute and compare it to your log
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11:27<Rehnquist>the traceroute part seems to check out, but the latter part i'm really not sure about
11:27<quitte>Rehnquist port 80 is http
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11:28<nyov>on second look, a traceroute would do ICMP. so this UDP could be whatever. without the actual bits you won't know
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11:29<quitte>are we doing some schoolish assignment for you?
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11:32<Rehnquist>hehe sort of
11:33<quitte>Rehnquist: /etc/services may be helpful.
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11:52<grove>Any hints (or links) about configuring fvwm in Squeeze? I used to like fvwm, and since Gnome has gotten unusable, KDE and xfwm (not xfce as a whole, just the wm), I though about going back to good old fvwm, but I remember beiong able to configure it with some small hook files where I only had to put what I wanted to be different from the default, but looking at the configuration I can'
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11:53<mosno>grove: you're safe from gnome 3 in squeeze
11:54<grove>+t figure out where those files were aupposed to be, and what names worked. Further I've found #598948 which suggests a major change, but doesn't have any comments
11:54<grove>mosno: Gnome got unusable before 3
11:55<grove>(Things like gnome-screensaver that couldn't (easily) be replaced with xscreensaver, just isn't acceptable to me)
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11:59<prahal>no screensaver at all in gnome 3 :)
11:59<prahal>I wonder if they really save something on lcd
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12:00<lindi->grove: unusable?
12:00<grove>They don't, I'm just old fashioned and like a screensaver
12:00<lindi->grove: gnome-screensaver is a screensaver too?
12:00<prahal>lxde ?
12:01<cybersphinx>If you have a static image for a really long time, the display gets kind of used to it, and remains. But if you ever watch fullscreen movies or something, it's not a concern.
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12:01<cybersphinx>Also, displaying something else then will get rid of it again.
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12:01<grove>lindi-: Yes, but gnome-screensaver has too few options, and it felt like a general trend in gnome
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12:02<prahal>cybersphinx: this was true of catodic screen where a beam was sent to the sceen . Does this still old for chemical screen (ie lcd)
12:02<lindi->grove: but it supports some things that xscreensaver doesn't. I guess those make it difficult to use xscreensaver as a drop-in replacement
12:02<grove>lindi-: I have tried lxde, didn't like it much
12:02<lindi->grove: like fast user switching
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12:03<prahal>anyway as the gneom screen saver is becoming a locaker that turn the screen to standby via dpms
12:03<lindi->prahal: locaker?
12:04<cybersphinx>prahal: Yes, but with crts it was faster, and permanent iirc. With lcds, it takes much longer and is reversible.
12:04<nyov>prahal: i think burn in still applies to plasma screens to some extend, but not totally sure
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12:04<prahal>ok thanks for the hint
12:04<grove>lindi-: I'm the only user of my machines - and as I said, feature criple seemed like a trend in gnome, it's not the only reason I had for dumping gnome (gnome-keyring is another)
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12:05<prahal>Gromit: ion3 ?
12:06<prahal>sorry, was intended to grove
12:06<lindi->grove: to some level maybe but they do care about a much larger user base than just terminal emulator users
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12:06<prahal>maybe you should give us more hints of what you want (and do not want)
12:06<lindi->grove: for example xscreensaver man page guides you to add symlinks to /usr manually, wtf?
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12:07<grove>prahal: Never tried it, but from what I've read it doesn't offer anything (interesting to me) that fvwm doesn't and as I liked fvwm from 95 to ~05 (when I made the bad decision of trying gnome) I really feel much more like going back
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12:08<grove>lindi-: I don't care what the gnome people are caring about, their product is unusable for me!
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12:08<grove>prahal: I want fvwm!
12:09<lindi->grove: right
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12:09<aussa>when I run X -configure a xorg.conf file is created, but it is created with Screen 0 and Screen 1, why?
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12:11<grove>I've just been away for a few years, and though looking at the default configuration would enabled to remember how configuration worked, but it seems to have changed a lot, that why I'm asking for hints or links about configuring fvwm on debian.
12:11<grove>aussa: are you sure you even need a xorg.conf?
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12:11<cybersphinx>grove: Did you use fvwm-crystal or some other kind of premade configuration before?
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12:12<cybersphinx>Normal fvwm is "start with an empty file".
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12:13<prahal>aussa: which version of debian ?
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12:14<prahal>I though -configure was gone long ago that s why I ask
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12:16<aussa>yes, in order to configure X to use nvidia driveres, when I see nvidia-settings I get Failed to create NV-CONTROL handle for screen 1. squeeze
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12:16<grove>cybersphinx: Well, back in 95 I got a copy of a .fvwm2rc from some other student at the university, but that about it for premade configurations. And I've looked at fvwm-crystal, too much transparency, and a general feel, that it was further from what I wanted than default fwvm
12:17<themill>grove: now that's a familiar sounding story... right down to the year of copying. My .bash{_profile,rc} have the same archaeology, actually.
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12:17<grove>aussa: There's an nvidia card in my current desktop at work, I don't have a xorg.conf for that
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12:18<aussa>how do I configure X to use the nvidia drivers then?
12:18<prahal>depends on the version of X
12:18<prahal>of you have a 4 years old version -configure still exists
12:18<aussa>how do I check the version
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12:20<prahal>X -version
12:21<aussa>with sudo?
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12:23<grove>Sudo is probably not needed for that, but try - and I just checked, and can see that I actually do have a xorg.conf, but it's something nvidia-settings generated, and I've never had think about it
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12:24<prahal>cat /etc/debian_version
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12:24<prahal>aussa: no as user
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12:25<aussa>X.Org X Server 1.7.7
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12:26<prahal>aussa: you might be better by removing the xorg.conf generated by -configure then run nvidia-settings
12:26<aussa>when I do that it tells me that can't find the xorg.conf fille
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12:27<uno1>como estas??
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12:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:29<prahal>aussa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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12:29<prahal>might not generate an xorg.conf due to it checkign if you attempted to change it . I have to downlaod the script to check where it store the marker
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12:30<aussa>do I rm xorg.conf file and restart xdm first?
12:32<kamran>hi every one
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12:34<aussa>prahal: do I rm xorg.conf file and restart xdm first?
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12:35<aussa>prahal: done
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12:38<prahal>well I found that the files used to prevent the reconfigure script form behing run are in /var/lib/x11/... for squeeze and before ... though I cannot remind which one to remove or else . Might be faster to just move those in another directory
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12:39<prahal>yes the debian script to do the initial configuration was trying really hard to prevent overwritting a user modified xorg.conf
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12:39<prahal>so it kept control sum of it under /var/lib/11/<subfolder/
12:40<kamran>can anyone help me? i am newbie here
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12:41<prahal>kamran: we could if only we knew what is the issue
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12:41<prahal>aussa: did it worked without any need to fiddled with the files in /var/lib/x11 ?
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12:46<kamran>hi prahal, i am copletly new in debian, i had access to debian 5.0.4 amd64 and i installed it on my sony vio laptop. it seems that it does not support the laptop's wireless, ethernet and sound card?
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12:49<shawn>Hi all
12:50<cybersphinx>kamran: Possible, since it's quite old and the current stable release is 6.0.
12:51<shawn>Can someone tell me why my laptop can't obtain an ip address hooked up to my modem but my desktop can?
12:51<jhutchins_lt>!tell kamran about lenny->squeeze
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12:53<aussa>well, is there any consequence in having that error there? does if affect me in any way?
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12:54<ballison>i need help. I tried to migrate over a dns zone file from one server to another and when i do the rndc flush; rndc reload it gives me " multiple RRs of singleton type"
12:54<kamran>cybersphinx: during the last week i read documentations about debian specifically in official site and i noticed that maybe it does not going to support some devices due to open source nature. if you think it may support my laptop's devices so i can try network install of debian 6.0
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12:55<shawn>Can someone tell me why my laptop can't obtain an ip address hooked up to my modem but my desktop can?
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12:57<nyov>shawn: if you can tell us what kind of modem and how it hooks up to your computer, maybe
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12:58<shawn>its a Motorola SURFboard SB5101U DOCSIS 2.0 Cable Modem
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12:58<shawn>its hooked up direct with a network cable
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13:00<shawn>I reset the modem to factory settings and rebooted it. I should just be able to switch the cord between pcs
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13:00<weinzwang>Maybe the desktop NIC supports auto-MDIX and the notebook doesn't
13:00<nyov>never had to configure a cable modem
13:01<nyov>shawn: do you need to authenticate to your cable provider? is it using ppp or ethernet or something?
13:01<shawn>no. Its just a comcast isp
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13:01<nyov>maybe all you need is a dhcp client, no idea
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13:02<cybersphinx>Yeah, usually it's just dhcp.
13:02<weinzwang>shawn: Is the link led on?
13:02<weinzwang>k never mind then :)
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13:03<shawn>it even shows pc activity.
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13:03<weinzwang>have you tried dhclient eth0
13:03<nardev>hello is there an application to print/convert few images that i have to one pdf document? from shell?
13:04<shawn>dhclient eth0 from the network manager?
13:04<weinzwang>any root shell
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13:04<nyov>better check if it's actually eth0, first
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13:05<weinzwang>makes sense :)
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13:07<shawn>permission denied
13:07<weinzwang>then you're not root
13:07<weinzwang>try su
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13:08<raitech>shawn: the main cable ISP here, in Brazil, take care of the MAC of the NIC and require a modem reboot if another NIC is hooked up in place of the first
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13:09<shawn>unknown id?
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13:09<shawn>Is it because I am not on my own network presently?
13:10<kamran>cybersphinx: if i report here the output of lspci can you please tell me if debian 6.0 supports the wireless and sound card of my laptop?
13:10<raitech>shawn: from where is this 'unknown id'?
13:10<weinzwang>raitech has a point, that would explain it
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13:10<shawn>the terminal
13:10<shawn>su dhclient
13:11<weinzwang>only type su, it should prompt for the root password
13:11<raitech>shawn: normal :) dhclient is not a user id :P
13:11<weinzwang>and make you root
13:11<raitech>yeap :)
13:11<raitech>only 'su'
13:12<shawn>Even if I change load a new OS. Its the same crap on my home network
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13:13<shawn>sorry I'm new to unix
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13:14<raitech>shawn: :) - but what do you mean by 'new OS'? is a result of 'su'?
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13:14<shawn>Literally deleting the hard drive, and loading a new version of linux.
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13:15<shawn>I even took the wireless router out of the equation.
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13:15<weinzwang>Do you have a root shell now? What does "whoami" say?
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13:16<shawn>it tells my my user name
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13:16<weinzwang>so not root then
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13:16<kamran>can anybody help me please if i report here the output of lspci, if the latest version of debian supports the wireless and sound card of my laptop?
13:16<raitech>shawn: so you are not root
13:16<shawn>simply su is root. But my password won't authenticate.
13:17<nyov>are you on ubuntu?
13:17<raitech>maybe your user is not allowed to su
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13:17<nyov>use sudo, that should work
13:17<raitech>holly crap... ubuntu ... hhehehehehe
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13:17<raitech>yes, 'sudo dhclient eth0'
13:18<weinzwang>and sudo ifconfig to see what's actually configured
13:18<shawn>it just brings me to a new line
13:18<weinzwang>that's a good sign
13:18<weinzwang>no news are good news with dhclient :)
13:18<shawn>I know ifconfig.
13:19<shawn>ok cool
13:19<weinzwang>sounds like success :)
13:20<kamran>if i report here the output of lspci, can anybody help me if the latest version of debian supports the wireless and sound card of my laptop?
13:20<shawn>eth0 & eth1
13:20<raitech>shawn: really?! a new, freshened IP to your machine?
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13:21<weinzwang>So you have two wired nics - maybe the wrong one is configured for dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces
13:21<bremner>I'm having trouble debugging lighttpd with mod_userdir. It returns 301 (moved permanently) both for users that exist and those that don't.
13:22<weinzwang>look at that file and try swapping eth0/eth1 to make it work automatically
13:22<nyov>kamran: lspci -nn
13:22<cybersphinx>kamran: Google might be able to help.
13:22<shawn>i got
13:22<aussa>at X start my xfce4 panel does not show up
13:22<shawn>auto lo
13:22<shawn>iface lo inet loopback
13:23<nyov>kamran: but only post one line for each card
13:23<raitech>kamran: yeap, google is better then us in this point
13:23<nyov>not necessarily :)
13:23<raitech>shawn: you probabily using network-manager... and the config is 'on the fly'
13:24<weinzwang>shawn: Which interface does have the correct ip now?
13:24<kamran>i googled and i was not able to find any helpfull information i will post lspci -nn her .
13:24<raitech>kamran: or use
13:24<bremner> is better
13:24<shawn>it looks like eth0
13:25<shawn>I tried network manager and wicd. They both do the same thing
13:25<weinzwang>shawn: You need two lines in /etc/network/interfaces: allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp
13:25<raitech>shawn, weinzwang well, I have to go by now
13:25<raitech>shawn: good luck!
13:25<shawn>thanks a lot. I appreciate the help
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13:26<shawn>what is hotplug?
13:26<weinzwang>man interfaces
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13:27<cybersphinx>Plugging something in while the system is running.
13:28<kamran>nyov: i will send the output of lspci -nn one by one
13:28<bremner>kamran: please use a paste site
13:28<bremner>kamran: the bot will kick you otherwise
13:28<kamran>bremner:what is pate site?
13:29<nyov>kamran: you only need to paste the line for the wireless and the soundcard. or paste to pastebin
13:29<kamran>bremner:what is paste site?
13:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:30<bremner>what does dpkg not recommend
13:31<nyov>it does
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13:31<bremner>oh, stupid me
13:31<kamran>ok i paste line for wireless which is just one line
13:32<kamran>04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device [11ab:4380] (rev 10)
13:32<nyov>,judd pciid 11ab:4380
13:32<nyov>judd: pciid 11ab:4380
13:32<judd>[11ab:4380] is '88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in squeeze. See also
13:32<d0ct0r>how do i upgrade an application in debian? what do i write in terminal if i want to upgrade Transmission bittorrent client to the newest?
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13:33<kamran>judd i tried modeprobe sky2 but after it i didn't see anythine expect lo when i checked it by ifconfig
13:33<stomanata>what can be the reason to receive this errors in console (because iceweasel crashes often i start it in console)
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13:34<nyov>kamran: that is not a wireless device
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13:35<kamran>nyov, maybe it is the ethernet card?
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13:35<nyov>lsmod | grep sky2 - should tell you it's probably loaded and working fine
13:35<kamran>nyov: may be this line is for wireless card
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13:36<kamran>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:422c] (rev 35)
13:36<nyov>that's it
13:36<nyov>hm, maybe
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13:36<theperfectpunk>i am trying to execute this command
13:36<theperfectpunk>repo init -u git://
13:36<theperfectpunk>Traceback (most recent call last):
13:36<theperfectpunk> File "/root/bin/repo", line 603, in <module>
13:36<theperfectpunk> main(sys.argv[1:])
13:36<theperfectpunk> File "/root/bin/repo", line 570, in main
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13:36<crushinator>does anyone have an 8.9 inch netbook and, if so, how is it to type on
13:37<nyov>kamran: no it's not
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13:37<nyov>oh ok, i'm stupid and it is
13:38<nyov>kamran: check
13:38<kamran>nyov: can i send you the lspci -nn as a file because i don't know which one is ofr wireless card
13:39<nyov>what's the problem with copy&pasteing it on
13:39<kamran>after copy and paste it on what shoud i do?
13:40<nyov>post the link it tells you
13:40<prahal>copy and paste the provided link on the channel
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13:42<kamran>nyovand others: this is the link,
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13:45<nyov>kamran: ok, for the wireless card read and for the soundcard you should have the snd-hda-intel module
13:48<kamran>nyov: do you think if i install the debian latest version my problem would be resolved
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13:48<nyov>what problem do you have?
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13:49<kamran>i have installed debian stable version 5.0.4 and it does not detect my wireless,ethernet and sound cards
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13:49<bremner>kamran: you should definitely upgrade to 6.x if you can
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13:50<nyov>for the wireless card, you need non-free drivers. you have to enable them in your apt sources first. that goes for both 5.x and 6.x
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13:51<ompaul>kamran: the problem will not be resolved, it is just easier to manage
13:52<nyov>it's all explained in that wiki entry. as for the hda sound, that might be fixed in 6.x/squeeze if it does not work in lenny
13:52<kamran>nyov:but how can i get data from internet when the os does not detect the wireless card e.g.
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13:52<ompaul>kamran: you have ethernet cables or you can download the software to another machine stick it on a usb key and get on with it
13:52<nyov>you could use that gigabit ethernet card?
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13:53<kamran>nyov:it does not work too
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13:53<ompaul>you are on the internet now get your packages in advance
13:53<nyov>uh, was sky2 non-free? hm, that's actually possible.
13:54<ompaul>,versions firmware-linux-nonfree
13:54<judd>Package firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.33; wheezy/non-free: 0.33
13:54<ompaul>that will get the ethernet card going
13:55<ompaul>stay with stable for the moment
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13:56<cybersphinx>I think the lenny kernel is too old for sky2.
13:56<nyov>i had some Dell servers on lenny, it worked just fine there
13:57<bremner>ompaul: lenny is not stable anymore
13:57<ompaul>bremner: that has squeeze on it
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13:57<ompaul>and in fact says ... squeeze (stable)
13:57<bremner>sure, but the supplicant is running lenny
13:58<kamran>dear all, i am not new to linux but i am new in debian, so to become clear i ask the following question
13:58<ompaul>the op said the third party should go to 6.0 regardless, they have options from there
13:58<ompaul>kamran: get version 6 install it, use that non free package which will give you firmware (99.9% certain of that) for your network card
13:59<ompaul>then you can go do funky stuff, for this I suggest a full install cd
13:59<ompaul>not net install
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13:59<ompaul>most times netinstall is funky enough to make people happy but it likes a working network card
14:00<metal55>Hi room
14:00<metal55>I am very very new ro debian and have a realy sinple question, how do I create the equivelent of a Windows batch file?
14:01<metal55>I just want to be able to call a script that runs a bunch of commands
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>metal55: There are many different scripting languages available.
14:01<petemc>the (superior) equivalent is a shell script
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14:01<ompaul>metal55: petemc answered
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14:01<metal55>Ah shell script thank you petemc
14:01<MrFrood>metal55: a shell (BASH) script is perhaps where you want to start
14:02<jhutchins_lt>metal55: At the most basic level you just put the commands in a text file.
14:02<ompaul>metal55: bash sed and awk all you ever need
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14:02<kamran>ompaul:by your response i discard posting more question because it answered my not posted question,so you suggest me to first install version 6 from full cd and then i would probably have access to my wireless card to use internet.
14:02<metal55>Thanks guys very much appreciated
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14:03<ompaul>kamran: no that is not what I suggested, it is almost what I suggested
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14:04<ompaul>kamran: 1) debian 6 install kde / gnome whatever 2) get that package I pointed to in the url you will want to install that, it will enable your network card. Then you can fix your wireless
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14:04<ompaul>kamran: that is 99.9% certain on my part
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14:04<ompaul>kamran: how to install it - put it on a usb key
14:05<nyov>sky2.ko is in linux-image, looks like it's a free driver
14:05<kamran>ompaul let me look prevous messages to see what was that "URL" which you mentioned? i didn't noticed it
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14:05<ompaul>you can then later cd to the key or drag it onto your desktop and install it with dpkg -i firmware-linux*
14:06<ompaul>kamran: include the full file name with dpkg it will be the first and last time you use dpkg to install anything unless you fancy breaking your computer, you know you get to keep the parts then :)
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14:08<nyov>so if i'm correct that ethernet card should work regardless of nonfree drivers. my advice, just make it work and dist-upgrade from there
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14:10<kamran>ompaul, i saw the
14:10<ompaul>nyov: one would hope so, but he suggested it won't
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14:11<ompaul>kamran: get that disk and the package I suggest as insurance then do your dist upgrade
14:11<ompaul>whats the worst that can happen - you need your backups
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14:12<kamran>ompual: there is no link there available to download there is four links which route me to just information about non-free packages
14:12<nyov>ompaul: $ dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko
14:12<nyov>linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko
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14:13<kamran>nyov:there is already a sky2.ko in my debian version but it does not detect my ethernet card
14:14<nyov>kamran: what does it say when you modprobe it?
14:14<kamran>i loaded it but there is no ethx on my network devices
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14:14<kamran>nyov:nothind and when i check it by lsmod it show usage 0
14:15<nyov>what does 'dmesg' tell you after you loaded it? there should be some output
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14:15<kamran>i didn't check it but i can check it now
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14:16<nyov>alright then maybe it does need a binary blob
14:16<ompaul>kamran: get the right version for your card
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14:16<neal>AzaToth: Is there a way using python-apt to determine when the last time an "apt-get update" was performed?
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14:17<kamran>nyov:no messages in dmesg
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14:18<kamran>ompaul:does sky2.ko has different version for different card?!
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14:19<ompaul>what card is it?
14:19<Nemoder>neal: maybe just check the date of the /var/lib/dpkg/available file
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14:21<AzaToth>neal: I don't think so, you'll have to look at the modification date of the list files
14:21<nyov>ompaul: lspci was here: < kamran> nyovand others: this is the link,
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14:22<kamran>ompaul:i am so sorry but i can't underestand which one may for for my ethernet card from link you posted:
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14:23<ompaul>kamran: my question is are you going to use version 6?
14:23<ompaul>or are you using 5 at this time
14:23<ompaul>kamran: what is your current config?
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14:24<ompaul>kamran: or better yet tell me what is uname -r
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14:25<kamran>if it is possible to use the current version it is better my installed version is lenny 5.0.4
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14:26<kamran>i cert6ainly upgrade to version 6.
14:27<ompaul>kamran: just a sec
14:27<kamran>ompual:ok thanks
14:27<neal>AzaToth: Ok, thanks.
14:28<neal>Nemoder: That's an idea, thanks.
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14:28<kamran>ompaul:sorry i correct it
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14:30<__Alex_>There is also an Utility for Importing Windoze drivers.
14:30<kamran>ompaul:thanks i will try it now to see if it is working, thank and others so much
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14:32<neal>AzaToth: I'm trying to figure out if a version of a package is in /var/cache/apt/archive. help(max(apt.Cache()['coreutils'].versions)) does seem to suggest anything helpful. Any suggestions?
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14:34<neal>AzaToth: Or do I need to construct the filename on my own?
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14:35<Rhonda>I have bought a new mobile phone, and both my old one and my new one support bluetooth. I want to copy over the phonebook (and potentially also short messages) from old mobile phone to new. Old one is sony ericsson k660i, new one is samsung gt-b2710. Any suggestions?
14:35<amphi>neal: won't ls tell you?
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14:36<neal>amphi: I want to do it in python-apt. I have a package and I need to figure out that package's file name.
14:37<jhutchins_lt>Rhonda: Pair it via bluetooth, see what messages you get. A PIM like kdepim or kaddress might be able to sync with it.
14:37<neal>amphi: It is an escaped version of + '_' + version.version + '_' version.architecture + '.deb'
14:37<jhutchins_lt>Rhonda: If you're real lucky, photos and MP3's can be swapped as a storage device.
14:37<Rhonda>jhutchins_lt: anything gnome? don't have kde :)
14:38<jhutchins_lt>Rhonda: If you're unlucky, it will be detected as a PTP camera and cause your system to lock up hard.
14:38<Rhonda>photos and mp3s aren't the issue, I can fetch them via bluetooth to my computer
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14:38<jhutchins_lt>Rhonda: Then look for sync features in whatever you use for contacts in the PC.
14:38<Rhonda>but phonebook and short messages are something completely different …
14:38<jhutchins_lt>SMS probably won't sync.
14:38<Rhonda>abook? :P
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14:38<amphi>Rhonda: or multisync perhaps
14:39<amphi>Rhonda: multisync worked with my ancient ericsson t39 for what it's worth ;)
14:39<jhutchins_lt>Any time I seen gnome I run screaming, so the only details of operation I know is that gnome starts processes that don't close even if you log out and kill X.
14:39<kamran>ompual: i installed it by issuing "dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb" should i restart because there is no available ethx card yet?
14:39<Rhonda>amphi: ancient might be the success factor here, I fear :)
14:40<Rhonda>amphi: and isn't that opensync these days?
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14:40<amphi>Rhonda: could well be ;)
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14:42<kamran>ompaul: i installed it by issuing "dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb" should i restart because there is no available ethx card yet?
14:43<Rhonda>hmm, evolution claims to support multisync
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14:44<ompaul>kamran: yes
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14:44<ompaul>kamran: this should fix the card
14:44*ompaul hopes
14:45<kamran>ompaul:ok i will restart
14:45<rigved>Rhonda: there is wammu. but i have never tried it myself.
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14:48<Rhonda>rigved: At some point I think I tried all: opensync, multisync, wammu, gammu, but I think the results were rather depressing, especially for my k660i sony ericsson. It might be better for the samsung phone, I don't know.
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14:49<Rhonda>But first I need to get the data off the ericsson. Actually, there was iSync that I used on my powerbook before, that worked with my former sony ericsson but *not* with the k660i. I think that one is hosed somehow.
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14:50<emptty>Hey there. Any ikiwiki users around?
14:50<Rhonda>emptty: please just explain your specific issues, that would be better to judge from whether we can help you or not.
14:50<emptty>I'm fighting since hours to find the list of variables passed to the template, or define new ones from the page content
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14:51<kamran>ompaul:unfortunately there is no ethx devices yet,because i have just one ethernet cable i didn't attach it to lan yet, but i must see the device by using "ifconfig -a" or looking "dmesg|less" some information about ethx. isn't that true?
14:52<emptty>Absolutely specifically, I'm trying to setup the disqus comments, and I need to set the disqus_url variable because of having several websites
14:52<emptty>but I'm unable to find the current page from the templates
14:52<ompaul>kamran: /sbin/ifconfig -a
14:53<Rhonda>amphi: multisync UI is strangely obscure
14:53<emptty>I need to do something like "var disqus_url = '<TMPL_VAR PAGE>'; " in the tmpl, but the PAGE variable is not set
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14:53<kamran>ompaul:i su as root so i use just ifconfig -a
14:54<ompaul>kamran: ok
14:54<rigved>Rhonda: is the sony phone a cdma phone?
14:54<Rhonda>rigved: what is cdma?
14:54<ompaul>kamran: you have the most oddball hardware I have come across in years :-)
14:54<Rhonda>Actually, it's a onetime thing, I guess I'll go the windows way.
14:55<Rhonda>And afterwards just try to get my samsung phone working properly with debian and be happy after that
14:55<ompaul>kamran: I have yet to find hardware that linux does not deal with for the last few years
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14:55<ompaul>kamran: I know the guy who ported the firmware into an earlier kernel version for your hardware
14:56<ompaul>kamran: this makes it doubly strange it does not work.
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14:56<rigved>Rhonda: well, cdma is different technology for your phone connection. normally, phone use GSM with a sim card. generally, cdma phone do not need/do not have a sim card.
14:57<Rhonda>no, it's a gsm one
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14:57<kamran>ompaul:i used to use opensuse for year and it at least supports my laptop hardware for the last two years which i bought the laptop
14:58<nyov>kamran: dmesg | grep sky2 ? lsmod | grep sky2 ? /etc/network/interfaces configured? sky2 blacklisted?
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14:58<ompaul>kamran: something is funky with your setup that stuff has been main line kernel since 6.16 or so
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14:58<kamran>nyov:i check it befor and it does not loaded automatically sky2
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14:59<kamran>nyov:i must load it by modprobe
14:59<ompaul>kamran: so I'm slightly surprised.
14:59<rigved>Rhonda: give zhone a try. or you can use windows software which came with the phone.
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15:00<Rhonda>rigved: … if I can find that, that was 2 years ago and I didn't had windows back then. :)
15:01<nyov>kamran: does grep 'sky2' /etc/modprobe.d/* say something about blacklist sky2 ?
15:01<rigved>Rhonda: long shot: download the phone software from the internet and run it in wineconsole
15:01<kamran>nyov:ok i check it
15:01<nyov>otherwise somehow it doesn't like your pci-id I think
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15:04<kamran>nyov:no there is nothing when i "grep sky2 /etc/modprobe.d/*"
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15:07<nyov>hmm, maybe installintg a backport kernel would solve the problem?
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15:07<kamran>nyov:what is a backport kernel?
15:08<nyov>kamran: what was your uname -r again?
15:08<kamran>nyov: 2.6.26-2-amd64
15:09<nyov>a backport kernel is a newer release kernel backported to an older release.
15:09<ml|>that looks like a lenny kernel
15:09<nyov>hm i thought lenny had 2.6.18 and there seemed some sky2 bugs up to 2.6.21, but yours is already newer
15:10<nyov>ok so 2.6.18 was etch probably
15:10<cybersphinx> says supported since 2.6.27.
15:10<ml|>judd: kernels
15:10<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
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15:10<nyov>cybersphinx, nice one! :P
15:11<neowarez>help dys is my ip!!!
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15:12<nyov>kamran: add backports to your sources and get a newer kernel,
15:12<nyov>or do that squeeze update first, after all
15:12<kamran>nyov:because i must upgrade to newer version so, because my internet connection is very slow i would like to know if i download the latest dvds it detectes my ethernet card and as mentioned befor i can download iwlagn module to get the wireless card working.
15:13<kamran>nyov:i hav no network connection in debian yet so it does not help me to add anything to the sources
15:13<nyov>oh wow
15:14<ml|>kamran: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze read the release notes
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15:14<nyov>well, if you want to load the dvds anyway, go ahead. or you could fetch the backported kernel and get your network working, then "dist-upgrade"
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15:17<nyov>kamran: that would be your backport kernel
15:17<nyov>or rather
15:18<szad>hello everyone, anyone can help me with samba?:-)
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15:23<kamran>nyov,ompaul and others: thank you, first i will try to download the backport kernel if it didn't help me i will download the full dvds and if i had any problem in connecting internet i will be back here i hope you be the here at that time because you know my hardware configuration now
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15:24<nyov>kamran: i'll be around another few hours for sure. that backport kernel should work though
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15:28<kamran>nyov:i hope i manage to underestand how to get the correct version of the backport from the link you mentioned. it looks a little strage for me now. thank you and i will be back when i managed to install the new kernel
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15:29<Gr0und_zer0>guten abend.
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15:32<Gr0und_zer0>kennt sich jemand von euch mit ruby 1.9 unter squeeze aus?
15:33<nyov>kamran: well, here
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15:34<kamran>nyov:thank you i am downloading it and it take 10 minutes to complete
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15:46<kamran>nyov: the downloaded package did not installed successfully
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15:48<nyov>kamran: why is that? missing dependencies?
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15:48<kamran>nyov: it says there is some package dependency and reports that there must be installed linux-base kernel version >=2.6.32-35~bpo50+1
15:49<nyov>ah fubar. ok, anything else besides linux-base?
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15:49<kamran>nyov:i don't see anything else
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15:51<kamran>nyov:ok thanks i will inform you then
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15:51<nyov>a newer firmware-linux-free is also recommended, maybe you'll neew it
15:51<nyov>sorry i missed those before
15:52<kamran>nyov:no your help is great
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15:54<newbie>hi I have a kvm installation on debian and I'm looking at kernel hardening and intrusion detection systems
15:55<rigved>newbie: ids - snort
15:56<nyov>hey newbie, hardening on what level? how much?
15:56<newbie>so I've been looking at grsec for debian and there is a pretty good guide for setting it up, but I'm surprised that it isn't already built in or something you can just autoinstall or whatver so I'm wondering if there is a debian way to do it that people use over grsec
15:57<nyov>for grsec there is a kernel patch package in debian you can manually apply
15:57<newbie>rigved: thanks, yes I installed snort, my problem with that although was going to reserve this for a snort channel was that it seems to imply that I have to install apache and mysql. I really don't want security software for a single machine depending on complex applications
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15:58<newbie>now they do give the option of writing to flatfiles but I just couldn't find any tutorials that take that approach
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15:59<newbie>nyov: well I was thinking that if the host had snort running on it it could monitor the network and then if each guest and the host had grsec installed then it would be harder to escallate any intrusion
15:59<__Alex_>Hi people, i'm making a bootable USB stick with LiLo, and it prettymuch already works, there is one thing. I wanna make a 'image=' to chainload the 1st harddrive. Can someone help me? (This is my current .conf file:
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16:00<nyov>newbie: grsec is great, and you might be interested in auditd, too
16:00<newbie>nyov: I mean I read or I should say skimmed the debian security guide and did take a lot of notes about things like reducing the number of applications, the way partitions are mounted etc
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16:01<kamran>nyov:linux-base is depend on libuuid-perl, i tried to install it first and then install linux-base but i got a graphical warning that suggest me to "automatically update disk device IDs update" should i continue by "YES" to prompt? it says that if i don't do that my system will not be usable on next boot!
16:01<newbie>nyov: that sounds good :)
16:02<nyov>kamran: it should be safe to say yes there
16:02<nyov>kamran: it will modify your /etc/fstab - but it will include backup lines of what was there before
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16:09<nyov>newbie: i use prelude ids and it can correlate with linux audit system messages, not sure about snort. you might also want to look at OSSEC
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16:09<newbie>nyov: how do you mean correlate?
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16:11<newbie>nyov: when you say not sure about snort why is that? I've had ossec running on a server before it was good. However there is a binary package for snort so I went with that thinking there was no good reason to choose one over the other aside from that
16:11<nyov>well it takes the data together with other sensor input and makes a threat assumption based on that
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16:12<nyov>i said not sure if snort can use the linux audit system as a sensor, because i never tried
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16:13<newbie>nyov: ok thanks
16:13<nyov>use whatever ids you're comfortable with, of course
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16:16<kamran>nyov:i installed the linux-base but i think i didn't installed backport kernel yet because it got error so i reboot the system and befor installing the backport kernel i surprisingly saw that in response of "ifconfig -a" there is entry for both ethernet card and wireless card and even my sound card seems be fine also i didn't test them. how can i underestand if the backport kernel is installed or not by "dpkg -l linux-image*"?
16:16<nyov>newbie: if you want to go to extremes, you could look at TPM stuff -
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16:17<nyov>kamran: run dpkg --configure -a
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16:17<nyov>that should finish the backport kernel install it aborted earlier
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16:18<kamran>nyov: "dpkg --configure -a" returned me nothing?
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16:19<nyov>that's ok
16:19<nyov>what's uname -r saying?
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16:23<kamran>nyov:it is 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64, my problem is now configuring the wireless card? there is no *-cfg files in /etc/network folder
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16:24<newbie>nyov: yeah that would require altering hardware
16:24<newbie>sounds fun but I don't have the machine beside me :(
16:24<newbie>and I wouldn't even know what to do it with it then
16:25<nyov>newbie: altering hardware? either your system has a TPM chip or it does not. afaik
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16:25<kamran>nyov:i am trying the network connection "system/administration"
16:25<ndairou>hi al
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16:26<newbie>nyov: I believe you can add the chip....
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16:26<newbie>nyov: or rather you probaby have to replace the mobo
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16:27<nyov>ah, ok. maybe. anyeay i said 'going extreme' for a reason ;)
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16:27<newbie>so nyov, if I had a TPM... what could I do with it?
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16:29<nyov>you would prevent people modifying your boot procedure to circumvent your ids or whatever OS level security
16:33<nyov>basically you could have a chain of trust from the bios onward, a bit similar to DNSSEC for dns zones from the root onwards
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16:47<kamran>nyov:my ethernet card works fine but when i configured wireless when i try to activate it i see the following messages in reponse of "dmesg|tail"
16:47<newbie>nyov: ... sounds good... I guess it would be simpler to have a read only boot drive
16:47<kamran>nyov:firmware: requesting iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode
16:48<kamran>nyov:iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode firmware file req failed: -2
16:49<kamran>nyov:this sequence is repeted for iwlwifi-6000-3.ucode,iwlwifi-6000-2.ucode and iwlwifi-6000-1.ucode
16:50<Black_Prince>kamran, do you have firmware-iwlfifi installed?
16:52<kamran>black_prince:maybe no because "modprobe iwlwifi" returns not found
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16:54<kamran>nyov: there is tree versions avaiable in which one is for my kernel
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16:55<kamran>nyov: can i use "firmware-iwlwifi_0.33_all.deb" for my wireless card?
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16:56<nyov>sorry, been afk
16:56<Black_Prince>kamran, it is iwlagn, not iwlwifi ...
16:57<nyov>kamran: what Black_Prince said
16:58<kamran>black_prince ,nyov: "lsmod iwlagn" returns 0 usage and as i said befor i see the wireless card in my connections
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16:58<Black_Prince>kamran, that module requires firmware which can be found in firmware-iwlwifi package ...
16:58<nyov>kamran: remember i gave you this link earlier?,
16:59<Black_Prince>kamran, it could be nice if you can post contents of /etc/udev/rules./70-persistent-net.rules
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16:59<Black_Prince>er, it should be /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules
16:59<Black_Prince>damn it ... /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
17:00<nyov>hm there it says firmware-iwlwifi should be right
17:00<nyov>but maybe needs a backported version on lenny
17:01<kamran>black_prince:ok a few minute
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17:05<kamran>nyov:because when i installed the debian i used the default it proposed for my system there just 71m avaiable on "/" filesystem so install of backport kernel got error and for now i can not install it untill i reinstall the linux
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17:06<nyov>71MB root? you meant /boot maybe?
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17:07<kamran>black_prince: this is the link to paste site for file 70-persistent-net.rules
17:07<nyov>well if it's /boot you could remove an old kernel backup there maybe
17:07<Black_Prince>kamran, acording to the paste, your wireless is iwlagn ... (look at wlan0 line)
17:08<kamran>nyov:unfortunately for root filesystem there is just 71m avaiable ant its size is just 327m
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17:08<kamran>nyov:i used the suggestion of debian installer cd
17:09<nyov>kamran: got another partition for /usr and /var ?
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17:10<kamran>nyov:yes for /var /usr /tmp and /home and most of the space is available in /home
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17:10<nyov>also if you're using lvm, maybe you can resize that. if you want to reinstall anyway that's a waste of time though
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17:12<nyov>kamran: then your new kernel shouldn't take much space on root, except for /lib i think
17:12<kamran>black_prince: i see device wlan0 and i configured it but when i activate if i get the bove error
17:13<kamran>nyov:so how can i install backport kernel in /usr
17:14<kamran>nyov:/lib has used 175m up to now
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17:14<Black_Prince>kamran, and for 28534 time I tell you that you need firmware-iwlwifi
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17:15<kamran>black_prince i see iwlagn module loaded?
17:16<kamran>black_prince : isn't it enough?
17:16*Black_Prince bangs his head on the table
17:16<Black_Prince>dpkg, firmware
17:16<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
17:17<kamran>black_prince: i must explain i am newbie to debian, so forgive my misunderestanding
17:18<nyov>haha nice show Black_Prince
17:18<nyov>dpkg, slap Black_Prince
17:18*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Black_Prince's face
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17:18<nyov>kamran: maybe look in /lib/modules/ if you got any old kernels you don't need anymore and uninstall them with apt,
17:19<nyov>2.6.32-5-amd64 will use 126mb there
17:19<kamran>nyov:ok i will remove my previous kernel so free some space
17:19<nyov>don't remove the one you're using right now!
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17:20<nyov>only whatever is older if you have it
17:20<kamran>nyov: i remove 2.6.26-2-amd64 which was my previous kernel
17:21<nyov>make sure uname -r is something else first
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17:24<Black_Prince>ok, I feel better now :-|
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17:26<nyov>sorry Black_Prince, should have known dpkg can't do a little bitchslap :/ but don't go scaring the newbs away :P
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17:28<kamran>nyov:before uninstalling the previous kernel in response of "aptitude search linux-image" i see tree lines bellow with installed flag
17:29<kamran>nyov: id linux-image-2.6.amd64
17:29<nyov>tree lines?
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17:29<nyov>kamran: that's a virtual package
17:30<kamran>nyov: idA linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64
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17:31<kamran>nyov: and iB linux-image-2.6.342-bpo.5-amd64 which is my current and must be kept
17:31<nyov>are you SURE you're not running that kernel anymore? you DID say you couldn't install the .32 before
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17:32<kamran>nyov:so i must remove the first one to free space ?
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17:32<kamran>nyov:yes because in response of uname -r i get 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64
17:33<nyov>ok then it should be safe
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17:33<kamran>nyov:i installed linux-base 32 without any problem
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17:36<nyov>once you removed that old kernel, make sure you fix the broken 32 kernel
17:36<nyov> iB linux-image-2.6.342-bpo.5-amd64 means the package is not installed correctly
17:36<nyov>so better reinstall it
17:36<kamran>nyov:when i tried to install "linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64_2.6.32-35~bpo50+1_amd64.deb" i got error
17:37<kamran>nyov:i get space problem error
17:37<nyov>that's why you remove the other first
17:37<kamran>nyov:so am i safe to remove previous linux-image?
17:37<nyov>hopefully that free's up enough space
17:37<nyov>don't reboot until you fixed that
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17:39<nyov>still, if you are running on LVM there might be a chance to resize that partition so that won't happen again
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17:42<Black_Prince>You can resize any ext partition ... does not matter if it's lvm or not.
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17:44<nyov>true, but then it would probably destroy the following partition
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17:57<kamran>nyov and others: thank you so much at least i have ethernet access to internet i must reinstall the os and give more space to root file system. i am ver exhousted to see such online help is avaiable.the thing that i was not able to do during the last week you helped me on a few hours. for this thank you so much all specially nyov and ompaul.
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17:58<ompaul>kamran: it should not be that hard - good look going forward
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17:59<nyov>ok, good luck. or maybe you want to check if you have lvm? ;)
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18:07<kamran>nyov:accually i wuld be very happy if i can resolve space problem without reinstalling,so can i merge the /root /usr and /var in an lvm?
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18:08<nyov>kamran: see if you get any output from "dmsetup ls" and "lvdisplay"
18:08<nyov>that would mean you have some underlying lvm
18:09<nyov>but even if you don't, you can go create another partition and move /lib there for example as another mountpoint
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18:09<nyov>or /etc if it's on /
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18:12<kamran>nyov:dmsetup ls failed due to incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.27 and kernel driver, so i try moving /lib to /usr partition
18:13<kamran>nyov:i am sorry i didn't think when i tld that
18:13<nyov> /lib has the kernel modules and should be available even when /usr isn't mounted
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18:14<nyov>anyway, what happened with the old kernel? still not enough space after removing that?
18:14<kamran>nyov:ok check if i can add another partition in the extended partition
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18:16<kamran>nyov:i tried to remove linux-image-2.6-amd64 by command "aptitude remove linux-2.6-amd64" but still i see iB flag beside it and no space freed from root file system
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18:17<nyov>kamran: it's still a virtual package. it does not use up much space
18:17<nyov>you need to remove that 2.6.26 package
18:18<lindi->correction: it is a meta package
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18:19<nyov>lindi-: now i'm not so sure if removing /lib from root is a good idea. any comments on that? though initramfs should have a copy of the required stuff for boot?
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18:19<nyov>I remember you had some ideas about initramfs stuff and mayb boot process?
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18:21<nyov>because now i'm not so sure and maybe nothing cares if /lib is symlinked from /usr? :P
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18:25<kamran>nyov:i am resizing the swap partion and create 1 gb partition for /lib
18:26<ompaul>kamran: might I suggest that is far too much
18:26<nyov>haha indeed
18:27<kamran>ompaul:sorry but,I don't underestand the meaning of "far too much"
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18:28<nyov>could you pastebin the output of 'df -h' and 'cat /proc/partitions'?
18:28<kamran>ompaul:oh you mean /lib do not need so much space?
18:28<nyov>kamran: lib will probably not use more than ~200mb ever
18:28<kamran>nyov:ok i post it
18:29<monit0r>hi, i have a newb question about how to increase my root filesystem( / ) which is almost full. its just over 6GB and at 90% and seems that it is using LVM
18:29<nyov>unless you have a wastage of kernels installed
18:29<ompaul>kamran: how much room have you got?
18:29<monit0r>Im booted into gprted live cd now, but have no idea what im doing from here
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18:30<kamran>nyov: it is used 175m but and there is 71m available there but when install linux-image i get space problem
18:30<ompaul>kamran: what is the disk size in total?
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18:30<nyov>monit0r: you can resize lvm online, in your system
18:30<lindi->nyov: what's the context here?
18:31<ompaul>kamran: don't split it except for a swap - you don't know how you want to set it up yet, put lvm on it and work it out later
18:31<lindi->nyov: I didn't read the past discussion
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18:31<monit0r>thanks nyov, do i do that with gparted or something?
18:32<nyov>lindi-: my idea was/is to move /lib to a new partition, but i'm not sure if the kernel depends on it being on the root partition at boot time
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18:32<lindi->nyov: uhm. why do this?
18:33<aussa>hi, how do I build a source package downloaded from apt?
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18:33<nyov>monit0r: i don't know gparted. but lvm tools you can use are lvdisplay/lvextend vgdisplay/vgextend resize2fs,...
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18:34<nyov>lindi-: < kamran> nyov: it is used 175m but and there is 71m available there but when install linux-image i get space problem
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18:35<lindi->nyov: oh right
18:35<nyov>lindi-: 2.6.32 kernel requires about 126mb on /lib
18:35<lindi->nyov: well initramfs mounts only / and then runs init
18:35<lindi->nyov: init is a dynamically linked executable that needs /lib/libc*
18:35<lindi->nyov: you fail
18:36<nyov>but it does include kernel module in the initramfs, and only does pivot_root later, no?
18:36<Black_Prince>bin etc sbin lib should always be on rootfs
18:36<nyov>oh great
18:36<lindi->nyov: I don't understand why people think that pivot_root is used. it is not used
18:37<lindi->nyov: but yes, initramfs has the kernel modules that you need to mount /
18:37<nyov>well then i am misinformed
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18:37<lindi->please keep informing people who try to misinform about this :)
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18:38<lindi->pivot_root _was_ used around 2002
18:38<lindi->nyov: anyways, surely you can add an initramfs hook that mounts /lib too
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18:39<nyov>it popped up when i read about keeping the root on a ramdisk.
18:39<nyov>well, damn
18:39<nyov>now what
18:40<nyov>kamran: you removed 2.6.26 by now and still missing space?
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18:41<kamran>nyov:actually i dont know how can i remove 2.6.26. i was not able to find the right package name for it
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18:42<nyov>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64
18:42<kamran>nyov: i am not so familiar with dpkg and aptitude now
18:43<lindi->nyov: 1) create /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/mount-lib that just has "#!/bin/sh" and "mount /dev/foobar /root/lib"
18:43<lindi->nyov: 2) run update-initramfs -c -k all
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18:44<nyov>lindi-: oh, neat. thanks, maybe we get to use that
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18:45<kamran>nyov:it freed 89m
18:45<nyov>is that enough?
18:45<lindi->nyov: untested but the idea should be sound
18:45<kamran>nyov now i have 159m avaiable
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18:47<nyov>kamran: neat, do aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64
18:47<nyov>then that should not be broken anymore
18:47<nyov>and hopefully upgrades grub
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18:48<Black_Prince>and screw everything up </joke>
18:48<kamran>nyov:do i need to .deb files to some where which is know to aptitude? i fails now
18:48<kamran>nyov:do i need to move .deb files to some where which is know to aptitude? i fails now
18:49<nyov>wait a sec
18:49<Black_Prince>kamran, if you are installing via deb files, just run dpkg -i file.deb ...
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18:49<nyov>move it to /var/cache/apt/archives/
18:50<kamran>nyov: i did it but i see the iB flag for it when id list it by "aptitude search linux-image"
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18:51<nyov>aptitude reinstall <package name>
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18:51<nyov>should work, actually it should even fetch it if it's not there
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18:52<nyov>what is your error?
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18:56<kamran>nyov:isn't it enough that i installed .deb file by dpkg -i?
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18:56<monit0r>nyov: if i create a new vol i get- device /dev/sda3 not found, and i think thats the first step i have to do..?
18:57<nyov>kamran: not if it didn't finish because you were missing dependencies before
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18:58<nyov>monit0r: what's your drive setup and what are you trying to achieve?
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18:59<nyov>if you want to add another physical disc, you need pvcreate
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19:00<kamran>nyov:"dpkg -i xxx.deb" finished without any visible error for me
19:01<nyov>ok, and it's not listed broken anymore?
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19:02<nyov>maybe run update-grub just to make sure. and then you should be done with that
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19:05<monit0r>nvoy: thanks, i just found theres a gui for lvm, let me try and figure it out.. thanks
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19:06<monit0r>trying to achive: increase of root partition and the rest is filled by home, so i gues i have to somehow reduce home partition so that i can assign some to root
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19:09<MOSPET>Can I get gcc-3.3 in squeeze?
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19:13<zeropiel>I'm trying to get my fancontrol to work, but there is no configfile that follows it. pwmconfig is supposed to help me make a config file but apt-searching fails.
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19:14<streuner__>judd, versions gcc
19:14<judd>Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.1-2; wheezy: 4:4.6.1-2
19:14<nyov>monit0r: you can 'lvreduce' a lvm logical volume, but make sure to shrink the filesystem on it first. not many filesystems can be shrunk
19:14<streuner__>MOSPET: why do you think you need 3.3?
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19:15<MOSPET>I'm trying to compile an older program
19:15<nathangrammel>Hello, I've just installed Debian, and I'm trying to set up Wireless. In Mint, I used the "Broadcom STA wireless driver" which states it is for "BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4321-, and BCM4322-based hardware". However, "lspci -vnn | grep 14e4" states my device is a BCM4313, with PCI-ID of 14e4:4727. However, the brcm80211 driver isn't working.
19:16<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
19:16<nyov>streuner: read first :P
19:16<nyov>,pciid 14e4:4727.
19:16<judd>[14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
19:17<nyov>nathangrammel: why do you say it's not working?
19:17<lindi->nathangrammel: shows that there are many variants with mixed reports from users
19:17<monit0r>nyov: oops, too late :( i found the lvreduce but didnt do the fs shrink
19:17<nyov>THAT might be a big ooooops
19:18<lindi->nathangrammel: blah, sorry! that URL is useless to you since all the links are 404 due to a bug right now
19:18<nathangrammel>I tried "modprobe -r bcm80211 ; modprobe 80211"
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19:18<nathangrammel>I've been following this:
19:18<nyov>monit0r: if you did that in gparted, maybe it shrunk your fs first
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19:18<monit0r>i hope not.. it looks like something is happening, i did df -h and it looks
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19:19<monit0r>oh, i did it with the cli instead
19:19<nyov>uh, then I don't know if your filesystem is recovereable
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19:19<monit0r>ok, let me reboot and pray
19:21<MOSPET>there is a source package for gcc-3.3...but I think it just makes libstdv5
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19:21<streuner>nathangrammel: and you are using d-i?
19:21<nyov>maybe try and shrink it first. if it's ext something it might not notice it's actually missing some space? hmm
19:22<monit0r>looks like a prob now.. on boot i get: unexpected inconsistency run fsck manually
19:22<nyov>what filesystem do you have?
19:22<streuner>nathangrammel: d-i = debian-installer
19:23<monit0r>and now i get a chance to run maintenance shell
19:23<monit0r>fs is ext3
19:23<nathangrammel>streuner: I don't think so...
19:23<nyov>then try resize2fs
19:23<monit0r>ok, just by itself?
19:24<nathangrammel>streuner: I installed from a LiveCD
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19:24<nyov>monit0r: resize2fs /dev/whatever <size>
19:25<monit0r>ahh ok
19:25<nyov>make sure size is exactly what you shrunk lvm to, or smaller
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19:25<streuner>nathangrammel: is the FW installed?
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19:26<nyov>monit0r: size can be suffixed by 's', 'K', 'M', or 'G'
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19:26<nyov>monit0r: or do [#debian] monit0r: or do
19:26<nyov>or do resize2fs /dev/whatever -M
19:27<nathangrammel>streuner: I thought it was, but maybe I missed something
19:27<nyov>to shrink to the smallest possible size
19:27<nyov>and grow back later
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19:27<streuner>nathangrammel: default is usually /lib/firmware in Debian
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19:28<nyov>monit0r: after that do the fsck
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19:28<monit0r>ok, i get told to do e2fsck first, so ill do thst
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19:28<nyov>sheeet, then better pray
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19:30<kamran>nyov: i am using ethernet card in my debian linux now can you please resend me the firmware-nonfree link you suggest me befor to add to sources.list?
19:31<streuner><non-free sources>?
19:31<nyov>!tell kamran about non-free sources
19:32<monit0r>superblock has invalid journal id.. clear(y)
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19:32<monit0r>this is what i was scared of :)
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19:33<nyov>kamran, does that help you?
19:33<monit0r>now i get: either the superblock or partition tble corrupt
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19:35<kamran>nyov:i have already main contrib non-free in the sources.list file
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19:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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19:38<nyov>kamran: copy that fisrt deb line or make sure yours looks like it, and add "contrib non-free"
19:38<nyov>what mirror you use is up to you of course
19:40<nyov>volatile is not enough, that's only for some updates
19:40<kamran>nyov:ok but which pakage should i install/update to make my wireless works
19:42<nyov>apt-get/aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
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19:55<kamran>nyov:thank you my wireless card is working fine now, from know i will try internet search to educate myself on debian
19:56<nyov>kamran: well done, and good luck
19:57<kamran>nyov and all others:good lock to you
19:57<nyov>kamran: a last one
19:58<nyov>!dpkg lenny->squeeze
19:58<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
19:58<nyov>so next time you're up to date when you come around ;)
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19:58<kamran>nyov:ok thank you so much
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20:10<monit0r>ok, quick reinstall with settings just as i want, only few pdfs lost which is aklready backed up - will be very careful next time ;)
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20:59<antonio>anyone can help me?
21:00<antonio>i need to install my graphic card on my squeeze :)
21:00<antonio>because i have 800*600 resolution
21:00<antonio>when i like to have 1366*768
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21:12<antonio>hi, no help?
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21:14<matty>any one there im new to this
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21:16<antonio>hi matty, i'm searching for help too
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21:25<nyov>well, don't ask to ask, just ask
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21:32<streuner>s/some/most/ :-P
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22:03<nathangrammel>So, I installed the brcm80211 firmware and suddenly got a black screen. I can no longer boot debian (GNOME). I've just tried, and I'm currently at a black screen with vertical white lines. I've successfully booted in recovery mode, and was able to start x11 and GNOME from the terminal there (both as root and my normal user)
22:03<nathangrammel>Can anyone help?
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22:06<nathangrammel>I'm going to try reinstalling the firmware from recovery mode
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22:07<nathangrammel>I'm still at a black screen :(
22:08<streuner>that sounds like ion :-P
22:08<streuner>but not like GNOME
22:09<streuner>well, FW shouldnt be a problem in order to get a working screen within GNOME...
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22:11<nathangrammel>The black screen shows up after grub. The console outputs I/O errors before the black screen
22:12<streuner>that makes more sense then
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22:12<nathangrammel>Also, it wasn't immediately after installing. It happened right after modprobe
22:12<nathangrammel>The initial black screen, that is
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22:13<nathangrammel>Will I have to resort to uninstalling from recovery?
22:14<streuner>I/O errors sounds to me like HD errors?
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22:15<blarson>nathangrammel: sounds like a firmware bug that needs to be reported to whoever supplied the firmware.
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22:15<nathangrammel>That could be the problem. Maybe I'll try uninstalling for now at least, and see if that does anything
22:15<streuner>normally it should be reported?
22:16<nathangrammel>Unfortunately, it is proprietary.
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22:16<blarson>nathangrammel: you may need the older version of the firmware to have a completly usable system.
22:16<linuxrules>can somebody tell me what's the best way to get best optimized graphics card drivers
22:17<linuxrules>i installed debian 6.0.1a DVD image
22:18<nathangrammel>How can I get the older version?
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22:18<tidux>I have a serious problem
22:18<streuner>you arent alone :-P
22:18<tidux>I think there might be a corrupted package in Wheezy
22:19<tidux>every time I start the "luakit" browser, it automatically starts libreoffice
22:19<streuner>make sure you have a working sources.list an reinstall the package(s)
22:19<tidux>I've done that
22:19<tidux>with apt-get remove --purge luakit && apt-get install luakit
22:19<tidux>same error
22:19<tidux>as my regular user, and as root
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22:20<nathangrammel>I've just removed the firmware and gnome starts fine again.
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22:20<streuner>please show us your sources.list and the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"
22:20<streuner>nathangrammel: more headaches
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22:21<nathangrammel>This is frustrating indeed
22:21<streuner>nathangrammel: the consequences are, you need to know WHICH FW is working fine...
22:22<streuner>nathangrammel: maybe you know which version did you use within *mint*...
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22:24<tidux>there's that output, streuner
22:24<tidux>I guess it was a problem with libreoffice
22:25<tidux>I reinstalled libreoffice and everything that got automatically pulled in for it (remove --purge && autoremove && install)
22:25*streuner thinks, sometimes we need to make a source.list smite :-)
22:26<nathangrammel>I used one that was listed as "Broadcom STA wireless driver"
22:26<tidux>I didn't end up changing sources.list at all, though
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22:26<nathangrammel>I'm not sure what version
22:26<streuner>tidux: Are you really think, that this sources.list is able to work at all?
22:26<tidux>yeah, it works fine
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22:27<tidux>I install stuff from it fairly often, thanks to updates
22:27<streuner>well, you already have problems
22:27<tidux>I told you, reinstalling libreoffice fixed the problem
22:27<tidux>I seem to remember dpkg doing something weird, but I didn't save the output
22:27<tidux>stupid me
22:27<streuner><tidux> I have a serious problem
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22:28<tidux>yeah, that's gone now
22:28<tidux>I was worried somebody had tweaked the luakit default rc.lua to spawn other programs
22:28<streuner>lucky you, but in future, you will get more problems
22:28<gsimmons>nathangrammel: That is the vendor driver, it also supports the BCM4313 and is packaged for Debian; /msg dpkg wl
22:28<tidux>of course
22:28<tidux>nothing's perfect
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22:29<streuner>argh, gone, but "testing *AND* sid in ONE line.."
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22:30<nathangrammel>gsimmons: I'll give it a try, thanks
22:31<streuner>insane, but some people MIX sources.line(s) like whatever
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22:36<mshuler>I run a mostly-testing, some sid, some experimental system - it all has to do with /etc/apt/preferences :-)
22:36<streuner>some people mix different arches in Debian and a FEW third party "debian based distros" and should work? ;-)
22:38<streuner>mshuler: congratulations :-)
22:39<streuner>dpkg, bobbitt
22:39<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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22:45<jhutchins_lt>streuner: That factoid is way beyond it's best used by date.
22:46<abrotman>the idea is still correct
22:46<jhutchins_lt>The idea, but not the metaphore.
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22:47<sney>yeah, most of these kids weren't even alive when that happened
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22:47<abrotman>anyway ...
22:47<jhutchins_lt>Of those that were, many were not imprressed
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22:49<sney>testing and sid can be mixed safely anyway so long as Default-Release is set or pinning is used
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22:49<abrotman>FSVO safely
22:50<sney>naturally, but at least he wasn't mixing stable and sid
22:51<blarson>not much less safe than pure sid. For example, sid has broken xpdf currently.
22:52<hagom>my experience, if you use stable then use stable, if you use testing then use testing, if you use sid the use sid
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22:52<abrotman>there are still points where mixing would be bad
22:54<blarson>but dependancies should take care of them
22:54<sney>and any responsible testing user has apt-listbugs installed and checks the relevant lists before upgrading
22:54<nathangrammel>Yay, I've got wifi now. Thanks everyone
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22:57<abrotman>that won't catch all issues
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23:00*chealer is an irresponsible user
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23:02<abrotman>we know
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23:10<nathangrammel>I've got to get used to the menu bar being up top now
23:10<chealer>is there such a thing as a responsible user?
23:13<nathangrammel>Is there any particular reason that the user created when installing debian is not allowed to sudo?
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23:14<sney>because that's not suited to every use case. it's left up to the user to decide.
23:14<sney>by default, sudo isn't even installed.
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23:18<nathangrammel>I'm just used to installing with sudo, rather than as root, I suppose.
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