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00:01<Nansi>hello all I spend a lot of time as a road warrior. I am curious if there is a way to keep all documents sync'd no matter which work station I edited them at?
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00:11<th>i have 2 netbook (same model). i've just installed debian squeeze on 1 of them. what's the best way to clone the harddisk content? i'm thinking of booting both system using debian live on usb and using dd over netcat, is there a better way?
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00:14<chexsum>ugh yea you can clone the installation rather than clone the harddrive
00:15<nyov>th: what's wrong with dd/netcat ? if you know how to use it, it's a pretty simple way to achieve what you want
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00:16<chexsum>dpkg --get-selections > installed-software
00:16<dpkg>chexsum: I give up, what is it?
00:16<chexsum>on source
00:16<chexsum>dpkg --set-selections < installed-software
00:16<dpkg>chexsum: I give up, what is it?
00:17<chexsum>on destination
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00:17<nyov>that would neither clone the partitioning nor the base install
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00:21<nyov>Nansi: there are many options, but no surefire way (software) that I know of. in simple terms you could go with rsync scripts or versioning, using git for example.
00:26<th>chexsum, i think it would be faster to just clone the harddrive since they're almost identical anyway. thanks for the tip for cloning dpkg selections
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00:28<th>nyov, nothing wrong, but perhaps there are other ideas like adding checksum/hash for verification (rather than doing it manually afterward) and perhaps compression (should achievable by piping it through gzip/bzip2 first, right?)
00:29<th>i'm proceeding with dd and netcat now
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00:29<nyov>th: if you're on a lan, compression will likely only slow down the process
00:31<th>oh, and these are just netbooks
00:31<th>ok then, only dd and netcat combo
00:31<th>thanks, nyov
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00:32<mom>my laserjet seems to die printing a 274k file
00:33<mom>like it has run out of memory
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00:46<mom>should a 274k file really take that long?
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00:48<mom>is there something that needs to be enabled to speed up printing?
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00:50<nyov>has your file started printing?
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00:50<mom>one did
00:50<mom>the second that is 110k hasnt
00:51<mom>looks like it died
00:51<nyov>what kind of files are those?
00:52<mom>nyov, svg printing from inkscape
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00:52<mom>the first was a pdf rendered in inkscape
00:52<nyov>ok, vector files could require lots of memory imho
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00:57<mom>nyov, even 110k?
00:57<nyov>maybe you can convert them to something else first, try printing as bitmap/raster graphics
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00:58<nyov>mom: depends on what the printer or computer needs to 'render', maybe you can somehow scale it down. not having much experience in that department
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00:59<nyov>and 110k vector paths can calculate to pretty big raster graphics depending on quality
01:00<dondelelcaro>(and let alone PS; you can write a 10K of PS which will take days for a printer to render)
01:02<nyov>there is beauty in that ;)
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01:19<mom>ok thaks
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03:10<z30>i have Debian 6 on VPS how i can run VPN PPTP server on it!
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03:10<z30>i install pptpd & i config it
03:10<yadav>hello everyy one
03:10<yadav>good after nooon
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03:11<z30>but when i connect to that server i get 619 Error !!!
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03:12<z30>How can i Run VPN PPTP server on debian squeeze?
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03:12<zeroone_>I've got problem with grub-probe on upgrade to 2.6.32-5-amd64 (squeeze, md)
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03:17<zeroone_>/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk
03:18<nyov>sounds like it gets wrong device parameters
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03:20<zeroone_> shows actual HHDs, but boot partion is on md0
03:21<nyov>grub-probe -d /dev/md0 ?
03:22<zeroone_>grub-probe: error: no such disk
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03:22<nyov>i admit I never used grub on root md0 raid, only done that with lilo
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03:23<nyov>but I guess you could grub-install into the mbrs of both disks
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03:23<zeroone_>grub came with 2.6.32 and for example /dev/sda2 replaced with UUID-XXXXX
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03:27<jm_>if I remember correctly there have been quite a few changes made to grub scripts after squeeze -- you can find some details here
03:27<jm_>(search for grub)
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03:29<zeroone_>i'm already on squeeze it's not distro upgrade just linuximage 2.6.26 to 2.6.32
03:30<zeroone_>ant it fails at grub-probe
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03:32<lindi->zeroone_: I don't think you should use at all
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03:32<jm_>the point was that it was greatly enhanced post-squeeze ...
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03:35<zeroone_>grub-probe -d /dev/md0 returns grub-probe: error: no such disk
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03:41<OpenTokix>zeroone_: don't you install grub to the underlying disks?
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03:42<zeroone_>i didn't
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03:43<zeroone_>asi undersood it came with 2.6.32
03:43<zeroone_>but actualy i don't have grub only grub-install, grub-probe etc
03:44<jm_>what does file -s /dev/md0 say?
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03:44<zeroone_>/dev/md0: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=61752dde-8440-442a-844d-0f988d65b451 (needs journal recovery)
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03:46<jm_>interesting, if I do that here on a system with MD device both file -s and grub-probe work fine on /dev/md0
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03:48<jm_>perhaps try without file (don't delete it, but rename it for testing)
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03:50<zeroone_>renamed grub-probe: error: no such disk
03:50<jm_>hmm try stracing it then
03:50<zeroone_>what do you mean by scraching it?
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03:52<jm_>strace grub-probe ...
03:52<z30>i need help in pptpd package on debian squeeze
03:53<zeroone_>i can't install it, linux image install failed since then i can't install anything
03:53<z30>sudo apt-get install "any package"
03:53<z30>use that
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03:54<jww_>I setuped a nfs server, it works fine with nfsv3 but not for nfsv4, client tell 'rpc error : version mismatch'. here is my config and full error message :
03:54<jww_>does someone have any clues ?
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03:55<zeroone_>already using apt-get install strace
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03:57<zeroone_>this is apt-get install strace output
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03:59<jww_>zeroone_: you should be able to play with the .deb to get strace working.
04:00<jww_>either by forcing install using dpkg, or by extracting it manually and getting the binary.
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04:03<jm_>zeroone_: you can edit kernel-img.conf or whatever is called to not call update-grub
04:03<zeroone_>thanks jm_
04:03<jm_>do_bootloader maybe, let me see
04:04<zeroone_>here's strace grub-probe output
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04:05<jm_>aha, /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub
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04:07<jm_>you need to use grub-probe the same way as normal: strace grub-probe device
04:09<zeroone_>strace grub-probe -d /dev/md0 output
04:11<jm_>it behaves rather differently here -- but I see you still have the file in place
04:11<zeroone_>i renamed it back :p
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04:13<zeroone_>without strace grub-probe -d /dev/md0 output
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04:14<jm_>ok I see it calls mdadm - so strace -f grub-probe -d /dev/md0
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04:18<zeroone_>strace -f grub-probe -d /dev/md0 output
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04:20<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I have a system running an mdadm raid called md0 and I wish to access a raid from another machine also called md0. Needless to say I'm struggling. Can anyone assist me here, please?
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04:22<zeroone_>Isn't it strange mdadm --detail --export /dev/md0 reports MD_UUID=36c8290e:23e4995a:002e1155:4d39d5b7 but file -s /dev/md0 UUID=61752dde-8440-442a-844d-0f988d65b451
04:22<jm_>heh now I also get the same error without
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04:23<zeroone_>fstab have no UUID records for md0
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04:24<jm_>does this show correct symlinks? ls -l $(cat /boot/grub/|awk '{print $2}')
04:25<zeroone_>got no such file
04:25<jm_>ok that's probably why you have the issues
04:25<zeroone_>ls: cannot access /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0_WD-WCATR0205533
04:26<jm_>run ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
04:27<nyov>ComradeHaz`: mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 <component devices of other md0>
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04:27<jm_>maybe reinstalling grub with --recheck will also help (i.e. recreate
04:27<nyov>ComradeHaz`: don't forget to stop it if it's running as something else already
04:27<jm_>right, try recreating
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04:28<lindi->zeroone_: I hope you have read
04:28<lindi->zeroone_: using 2.6.26 with squeeze is going to confuse udev a lot
04:28<jm_>it looks like grub-mkdevicemap is enough for that
04:28<zeroone_>i have amd64
04:28<ComradeHaz`>Thanks nyov , I have a missing element, how does the syntax work for that?
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04:28<lindi->zeroone_: you should always first upgrade the kernel, reboot and then proceed with reset of the upgrade
04:29<nyov>ComradeHaz`: missing element?
04:29<ComradeHaz`>Missing disk
04:29<jm_>zeroone_: the same also applies for amd64 architecture
04:29<zeroone_>kernel upgrade failed it's production server
04:29<ComradeHaz`>so starting a RAID1 with just 1 disk
04:29<ComradeHaz`>do I need to tell it?
04:29<ComradeHaz`>or just specify the one disk?
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04:30<nyov>ComradeHaz`: it will assemble but not run if it's missing the other device
04:31<ComradeHaz`>Well how do I get it running then?
04:31<nyov>ComradeHaz`: running degraded or resyncing?
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04:32<ComradeHaz`>nyov: degraded.
04:33<nyov>mdadm --run /dev/mdX
04:33<nyov>after assembly
04:33<ComradeHaz`>Hah, it actually started ok.
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04:34<ComradeHaz`>I think reason being, it was already running degraded before it was stopped
04:34<zeroone_>lindi-: kernel install failed at grub-probe
04:34<lindi->zeroone_: ah
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04:38<zeroone_>it looks like grub-mkdevicemap fixed thing
04:38<zeroone_>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 status done
04:38<jm_>makes sense yes
04:38<zeroone_>apt-get install udev
04:38<zeroone_>udev is already the newest version
04:38<jm_>you don't need to reinstall the package in such cases - just run dpkg --pending --configure
04:39<zeroone_>dpkg --pending --configure returned nothing
04:39<dpkg>zeroone_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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04:39<jm_>well naturally since there's nothing left to do now that reinstall did it
04:40<zeroone_>now I have to crossfingers and wait for the night to reboot
04:40<zeroone_>thanks jm_
04:40<jm_>zeroone_: no worries
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04:43<ComradeHaz`>OK, so stage one done, thanks nyov. Now I can't access the vg on it though :(
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04:57<[L]i[N]u[x]> /budus macro setup
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05:08<internat>howdy all, this is a sucky question to have to ask. but.. is there a way to make bash or some derivate of it, log every command entered?
05:08<internat>i have some special users that i need to look after
05:09<petemc>if you can force them to run something like script when they log in
05:09<Bushmills>internat: script
05:10<nyov>use a keylogger? :)
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05:10<internat>script eh..
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05:12<SynrG>bash already logs every command entered. it's called .bash_history
05:13<SynrG>now, if you also meant the *output* of every command entered then yes, script
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05:14<petemc>bash histort isnt guaranteed
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05:14<SynrG>it depends on what the *real* problem is
05:15<internat>the real problem is i have stupid users with root access that keep breaking things and trhen claiming ignorance.
05:15<internat>obviously they shouldnt have root
05:15<internat>but thats out of my control at the moment.
05:15<th>script and i think it is preferable to send the output to other computer or even a printer
05:16<SynrG>first of all, mediate root access through sudo
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05:16<SynrG>second, if they have root, they can probably circumvent your attempts to log them
05:17<internat>if they are malicous enough to work out how to circumvent it. then ill have their access removed.. most of these issues are from stupidty rather then malicious intent
05:17<SynrG>then you will inform them they're being logged?
05:17<internat>customized sudo's is on my list, but at over 120 servers, and specific access for each, its not a pretty task.
05:17<internat>honestly? maybe. probably.
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05:18<internat>i think if they realise there is proper logging and recording that they'll be more accountable for their actions
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05:28<OdyX>it sounds like you're trying to solve a human problem with technique. Bad.
05:28<OdyX>Either teach them clue or get their root access removed
05:28<internat>unfortunately in the real world you have to.
05:28<OdyX>That doesn't make it a better solution.
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05:29<internat>i know i sit here and preach the same thing. but sometimes you have to put a work arround in
05:30<internat>when there are people like hr, managers, and other clueless people involved. sometimes you just have to suck it up and do what you can
05:30<internat>and im at that stage.
05:31*nevyn thinks custom sudo exec rules are often more leaky than people think
05:31<SynrG>unfortunately, doing such things can sometimes be worse than nothing.
05:31<nevyn>there are just way too many ways to get a shell..
05:31<SynrG>people generally don't take kindly to being logged
05:31<internat>in an ideal world, id have a sudoers file that limits everyones access down to the command(s) they need to do their job, and nothing more. id have people that are rhce or some other qualifications as the only people that can access. but i just dont have it at the moment.
05:31<SynrG>so the backlash may be worse than the initial problem
05:32<nevyn>SynrG: people can be not loged on their systems
05:32<internat>these arent desktops, there servers. there is no expectation of privacy, likewise my companies policy states this.
05:32<nevyn>internat: mine too.
05:32<SynrG>nevyn: see above observations by internat on circumvention. he's not looking for something watertight, just 'good enough'
05:32<daemonkeeper>internat: We have customers with the same problem. Its their hardware, so they insist on their root login. So, we renamed their unprivileged user to root, renamed root (the uid 0 that is) to youwontfindme and everyone is happy. Yet they feel to have super r00t p0werz
05:32<nevyn>SynrG: good enough is what you can do.
05:33<internat>i understand that there will be ways arround it. i really and truely do. i have sysadmins that i expect are smart enough to
05:33<nevyn>daemonkeeper: be careful...
05:33<nevyn>does anyone know if sudosh is maintained these days?
05:33<internat>i just need something that works most of the time, and provides a good method of logging
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05:34<nevyn>internat: sudosh?
05:34<internat>im not looking for malicious intent. im looking for cluelessness/stupdity/a nicer word
05:34<th>politically correct word
05:35<internat>yeah i couldnt work out what it was
05:35<nevyn>managing risk ;)
05:35<internat>i think i shall play with script, and see how well it plays on a few of our dev servers.
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05:36<internat>ill just chuck it in bashrc or one of those places..
05:36<nevyn>internat: script, sudosh tmux|screen
05:36<nevyn>internat: ^^ those are the things I'd look at ^^
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05:36<internat>make a specific log file, chattr +a it so its not easy to kill, probably set write only, no read/execute etc.
05:36<nevyn>internat: are you worried about the idam stuff?
05:37<nevyn>internat: off box logging to a central machine and having the logger write to syslog is how I'd do this
05:37<nevyn>and have the log box be hardened with selinux style controls
05:37<SynrG>if you're already looking for ways to prevent people from circumventing, you've already lost :/
05:37<th>what about "no, i didn't do that. the admin must have tampered with the log" ?
05:38<internat>im thinkig write to our nfs exported san.
05:38<nevyn>internat: Identity and Access Management
05:38<internat>th: i can accept that risk.
05:38<internat>th: in most cases i just want the logs to know what they did so i know what to undo.
05:38<internat>depends what you mean by am i worried about it.. i have centralised authentication
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05:39<nevyn>internat: do you have shared accounts? (root is the usual culprit but also oracle, tibco, "backup" etc)
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05:40<internat>but they have to log in as themselves first. they cant log in as those users
05:41<nevyn>and access to those users is via sudo?
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05:41<nevyn>so sudosh is probably the right answer for what you want. but I don't know how maintained/alive it is these days
05:42<internat>yeah. i think ill play with those options tommorow in my sandpit and then punch it onto a dev/staging machine.
05:42<nevyn>running screen or tmux as a pseudotty logging
05:42<nevyn>or script which is mature and might be good enough
05:42<internat>i know where my weakpoints/users are.
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05:43<zsolt>hi is it possible,to display picture during boot?I would like to show text on a background image
05:43*OdyX hands internat a cluebat.
05:43<nevyn>sudosh is designed for security purposes and can give keystroke level logging which is awesome
05:43<zsolt>google didn't help
05:43<OdyX>internat: go hit them.
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05:44<internat>i have a "user re-education mallet" on my desk..
05:44<internat>its even made of rubber so as to not leave a big mark..
05:44*nevyn recently made his sudoers about 60 lines shorter by saying the web admins sit right beside us. and have editors and all sorts of stuff.. they can just run anything.
05:44<zsolt>I would like to apply some optical tuning on my loved debian laptop
05:44<nevyn>and if they fuckup we'll just hit them .
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05:46<internat>i trust my dba's and my sysadmins.. i dont trust a few of the app support team
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05:46<internat>ive seen the stupid commands that theyve tried running, that i had to sit there for 10 minutes and work out what it actually would execute and what forked etc.
05:46<zsolt>I mean framebuffer image during boot
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05:47<Black_Prince>dpkg, plymouth
05:47<dpkg>Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Packaged since Debian Squeeze, see /usr/share/docs/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. #plymouth on
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05:48<zsolt>thank you very much
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05:51<internat>i do appreciate everyones ideas and assistance :)
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06:01<nyov>internat: maybe the linux auditing system can help you, too
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06:02<nyov>found a little overview.
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06:09<wissem>which version is latest
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06:10<nyov>,versions iceweasel
06:10<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-9; wheezy: 5.0-6; sid: 6.0.2-1; experimental: 7.0~b5-1
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06:12<wissem>doesn't equal the same stable release for firefox?
06:13<wissem>3.5.16 is the ff 6?
06:13<nyov>wissem: see for backports
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06:15<wissem>okay thanks
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07:04<neal>I'm trying to determine the file in /var/cache/apt/archives that corresponds to a package using python-apt. As there doesn't appear to be a function to get this, I'm writing my own based on apt/apt-pkg/ I'm having a problem with a package: libsdl-mixer1.2 (version: 1:1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3, arch: armel). I'd expect the file name to be "libsdl-mixer1.2_1%3a1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3_armel.deb", but
07:04<neal>apt saves the file as "libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.6-5+0ogg+mp3_armel.deb", i.e., without the epoch! What am I missing?
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07:11<looksinglisten>I would like to know how can I force the system to reload the network firmware
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07:13<jm_>neal: heh interesting
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07:16<nyov>looksinglisten: connection reset by peer... figured it out? ;)
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07:16<nyov>maybe not
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07:29<AgentC>is it possible to make a netinstall on a notebook by WLAN/USB adapter ?
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07:39<lindi->AgentC: if you have unencrypted WLAN and the adapter is supported then yes
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07:42<nitalaut>Hi, does anyone know the right way to update /etc/hosts on many systems from one central server ? Afaik /etc/hosts does not support includes (
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07:44<Zaba>nitalaut, use dns
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07:48<gillesMo>you have several choices in nsswitch.conf : nis, ldap, dns and if you really want a static file, let it be managed by puppet or cfengine
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07:55<nitalaut>Zaba, I don't want to depend on dns
07:56<nitalaut>gillesMo, is puppet capable of adding entries to /etc/hosts (not replacing the whole file) ?
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08:05<grove>nitalaut: The default behaviour for the host ressource seems to leave entries in /etc/hosts alone if nothing is defined for them
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08:07<gillesMo>nitalaut: not natively, but a little custom function can do it. A better way is using template(s) (
08:08<nitalaut>gillesMo, looks like what I needed, thanks
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08:19<tetr>hi, i have a custom kernel installed, how do i prevent apt-get from trying to install debian's official kernels?
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08:21<jm_>tetr: how did you install the kernel?
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08:21<tetr>i created a deb pkg for it
08:21<tetr>and then dpkg -i
08:22<jm_>why is it trying to install the official kernel then?
08:22<tetr>not sure, maybe because it has kinda different pkg names
08:22<jm_>try aptitude why
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08:23<jm_>or if you know which package causes it check its dependencies
08:23<neal>jm_: I guess interesting means you don't know the answer. Do you have any ideas for a better forum to answer this question?
08:24<tetr>jm_: i did aptitude why linux-image-3.0.3-p .. which is my kernel pkg, it gives me a list of suggests/recommends/depends .. what should i look for?
08:25<jm_>neal: yes, it was just observation after looking at several package filenames which have epoch in version and that one was the only one (out of only 5 I looked at), that didn't follow the pattern you assumed will work; perhaps mailing list(s) would be a better place
08:25<jm_>tetr: no I meant with package it tries to install, or just provide apt* install ... output that shows it
08:25<tetr>yeah i just figured that i still have linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 installed
08:25<tetr>but now it wants to update it of course
08:26<neal>jm_: Ok. Thanks.
08:26<jm_>tetr: ahh sure, you can put it on hold
08:26<neal>jm_: Did those packages all have an epoch later than 1?
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08:27<jm_>neal: that's what I thought of yoo, but no, some had 1 and some 2 and they still had %3a
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08:27<jm_>too even
08:27<tetr>jm_: if i do update it, do you think it will be placed #1 in grub's boot order? (my own kernel is #1 currently)
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08:29<jm_>tetr: what does this return? echo /boot/vmlinu[zx]-* /vmlinu[zx]-*
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08:30<jm_>tetr: never mind, it puts the latest versions first, so 3.0 should come first
08:31<jm_>tetr: you can run /etc/grub.d/10_linux to find out
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08:32<tetr>jm_: yeah nice, my 3.0 is first
08:32<jm_>tetr: so you should be fine
08:32<tetr>also i've moved the 10_linux to 21_linux anyway, which prioritizes the xen stuff
08:33<tetr>and /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen returns nothing about 2.6*
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08:34<tetr>thanks for helping me see things more clearly :)
08:34<jm_>no worries
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08:46<jm_>neal: hmm I have re-checked things and I have no idea why I didn't notice this earlier, but it's OK here - that package has no epoch in version, where did you find this version?
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08:49<__Alex_>May i ask? Does anyone know, what to append to my Kernel tine to have Numlock automaticly enabled?
08:49<jm_>__Alex_: in X?
08:50<__Alex_>Nope, when it starts
08:50<jm_>so in console?
08:50<__Alex_>Because i have Encrypted disk, and it's annoying allways pressing the numlock key to type my passphrase
08:51<__Alex_>(I have numbers in it)
08:52<jm_>you can use setleds tool for it
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08:52<__Alex_>Does it live in the InitRD?
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08:53<jm_>I doubt that but it should be simple to include it
08:53<jm_>however I need to run now
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09:16<chealer>lbt: ping
09:16<lbt>chealer: pong
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09:17<chealer>hi lbt. did you ask about a network problem in July?
09:17<lbt>quite possible... nasty thing
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09:17<lbt>routing issue...
09:17<chealer>lbt: yes, with your IRC clients reconnecting when you come back to your PC after a while?
09:17<lbt>ah... that too
09:18<lbt>I did - still happens ... I tracked it down to powersave setting
09:18<lbt>I disabled all power-save and it's OK
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09:19<lbt>if I just set "screen energy saving" ... then I lose my irc sessions
09:19<chealer>lbt: well, I just had something really odd happen on my wheeze install, it seems to be the same thing you had. happened to Konversation and Kopete.
09:19<lbt>so now I just hit the power button on my screens when I walk away
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09:20<lbt>so in Settings/Power Management/Power Profiles
09:20<chealer>lbt: that's odd because I upgrade on testing daily, and I always let the PC open for the night.
09:21<chealer>I got that for the first time this morning.
09:21<chealer>it "woke up" 9 minutes ago
09:21<lbt>I'm sad to say I run a pretty random set of packages ... stable base with updates as wanted
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09:22<lbt>but the sign is that the wakeup happens on pressing any key that wakes the screens up... and I know the main machine doesn't sleep
09:22<chealer>lbt: OK, I see it
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09:23<chealer>lbt: yeah, it didn't look like it went to sleep. also woke up with a keypress
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09:23<chealer>got some 30 Konversation/Kopete notifications queued popping
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09:24<lbt>I suspect something inside KDE/Qt that recognises some kind of powersave state
09:24<lbt>total guess though
09:24<chealer>lbt: I think I'll try to reproduce a few times before working around.
09:25<lbt>FWIW I didn't report it since I have a mixed system
09:25<lbt>however now you have it then it may make sense to log a bug
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09:25<chealer>I see I had suggested your powersaving workaround :-)
09:26<chealer>lbt: I'm on a 99% pure testing/unstable mix
09:26<lbt>ah, it was you ? thanks :)
09:26<__Alex_>May i ask? Does anyone know, what to append to my Kernel line to have Numlock automaticly enabled?
09:26<lbt>__Alex_: isn't that a BIOS thing
09:27<chealer>lbt: thanks for reporting :-)
09:27<chealer>lbt: but didn't you say it also happened with a command-line client or something?
09:28<__Alex_>Even when i press numlock in LiLo, it automatically turns off when i boot
09:28<lbt>chealer: hmmm
09:28<lbt>yes, it was irssi I think
09:29<lbt>but .... I also think that I could still ssh in from another box
09:29<lbt>don't take my word on that
09:31<Bushmills>__Alex_: check out /etc/kbd/config
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09:31<chealer>lbt: yes, you said you ssh in
09:32<chealer>lbt: [21 July 2011] [17:32:06] <lbt> chealer: in those 2 logs notice that irssi stays connected longer... but also both lbt and lbt_irssi join at 07:46
09:32<chealer>[21 July 2011] [17:34:07] <lbt> chealer: I don't... I just press the shift key ... the monitors wake up and both irssi and konversation connect!
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09:33<chealer>[21 July 2011] [17:35:33] <lbt> but... I can ssh into the machine before I wake it up
09:33<lbt>*nod* ... I found it quite illogical
09:34<chealer>lbt: I also see my logs indicate that the connection is lost when I come back.
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09:35<chealer>[2011-09-13 03:17:35] --> Wilkins a rejoint ce canal (
09:35<chealer>some delayed messages then
09:35<chealer>[2011-09-13 09:11:37] [error] Closing Link: pdpc/supporter/student/chealer (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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09:36<chealer>lbt: the only two unusual things: I'm using the radeon driver since yesterday, rather than fglrx as I used almost all the time since April 2010
09:36<chealer>and I now lock my screen more frequently
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09:36<lbt>I use radeon
09:36<lbt>never fglrx
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09:37<lbt>I'm also fairly bleeding edge on xorg stuff
09:37<lbt>and 2.6.39-2-amd64
09:38*Solver has his squeeze laptop at 3.0.4 now
09:38<chealer>I switched to radeon yesterday, went out in the evening, pretty sure without locking the screen, came back without issues, looked at mail, then went to sleep probably locking the screen under radeon for the first time.
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09:41<chealer>does KDE log screen locks?
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09:41<chealer>lbt: do you lock your screen?
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09:45<chealer>lbt: what proportion of the occurences of this issue are at night?
09:45<lbt>they all were - but I haven't had a problem since july
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09:46<chealer>lbt: and how many times did it happen? I mean based on what we know shouldn't it happen during the day sometimes, when you're AFK?
09:46<lbt>afk? me? :)
09:47<chealer>lbt: hehehe. I went out for 4-5 hours yesterday, didn't had this issue coming back.
09:48<lbt>I noticed the timeout was after a long while - I could have had a long delay on monitor powerdown
09:48<lbt>and I won't say it never happened during the day
09:48<chealer>I don't think I changed the screen power saving time, and it's set to 20 minutes - that would happen a lot during the day if it happened every time you leave for 20 minutes
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09:52<chealer>lbt: OK. mine apparently happened about 2 hours after I left the PC.
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09:54<chealer>lbt: so KDE, radeon, screen powersaving... I'll pay attention to it and let you know what I find.
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09:54<lbt>OK - if you do raise a bug let me know and I'll cc
09:54<lbt>if we get any dev interest then I'm OK doing diagnostics too
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10:08<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I am in the process of setting up a new machine using the config files of a machine that suffered hdd failure, so the config should be fine... However, I have a samba share that is refusing logins saying username and password is incorrect whatever I try to access using what in theory is the correct credentials. Iguess there is something else I need to configure other than the /etc/samba/smb.conf file, but I don't know what. Can anyone assist, please?
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10:14<ComradeHaz`>never mind all. Got it!
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10:14<antonio>hey, how i can setup the language in squeeze?
10:15<rikk>hi there. i have an ATI radeon HD 4350 and i'm following the instructions on but it says that on squeeze there are no xorg.conf file. Should i create it and put what's in the page or i need to add more options? thanks!
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10:17<towo`>rikk, you don't need an xorg.conf file, if you use radeon
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10:18<rikk>ok, but i did all that's on the page and graphics are still slow
10:18<rikk>should i reboot?
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10:18<antonio>ehy how i can setup the language in debian squeeze?
10:18<towo`>rikk, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
10:19<towo`>antonio, dpkg-reconfigure locales
10:20<rikk>here it is towo` and thanks
10:20<antonio>thanks towo`
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10:21<towo`>rikk, have you installed firmware-linux-nonfree?
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10:21<omry>how do I make a route change persist across reboots?
10:21<chealer>rikk: I think like towo`, I think that section should be removed or at least changed
10:22<rikk>hi chealer thank you for your help yesterday :)
10:23<rikk>i installed firmware-linux-nonfree and it installed without problems
10:23<chealer>rikk: your log shows you're already using Radeon.
10:23<chealer>rikk: is the radeon LKM loaded?
10:23<rikk>although it says " CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set"
10:24<rikk>idk how do i see if it's loaded?
10:24<chealer>rikk: it says that where?
10:24<rikk>after i installed linux-nonfree
10:24<chealer>rikk: what does $ lsmod|grep radeon; output?
10:24<rikk>let me pastebin the shell
10:24<rikk>ok wait
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10:25<rikk>says this:
10:25<ComradeHaz`>Hey guys. If I want all users of a particular group to be able to read and write each other's files as created by samba, does their primary group need to be the same or is it enough that they are all just in a common group?
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10:25<chealer>rikk: it's loaded then
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10:26<rikk>but it's slow like there's no acceleration
10:27<rikk>maybe i need to reboot?
10:27<rikk>but if it's loaded then should work?
10:27<chealer>rikk: you should only need to restart X
10:28<chealer>rikk: what does $ glxinfo |grep ender; output?
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10:29<rikk>direct rendering: yes OpenGL render string: Software Rasterizer
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10:30<towo`>rikk, that should not shown, with libgl1-mesa-dri installed
10:31<towo`>or maybe mesa in stable is to old for hd4xxx chipsets
10:33<rikk>how do i restart X? i migth try it just in case it starts working..
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10:34<rikk>control alt backspace?
10:34<ComradeHaz`>Think that's been disabled
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10:34<ComradeHaz`>just restart your desktop env
10:34<rikk>gdm restart?
10:34<ComradeHaz`>invoke.rc.d gdm restart
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10:35<lindi->are you supposed to use invoke-rc.d like that?
10:35<ComradeHaz`>Don't see why not
10:36<lindi->ComradeHaz`: "NO. invoke-rc.d is for package maintainer script use. It shouldn't be used
10:36<lindi->anywhere else.
10:36<lindi->" -- Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <>
10:36<lindi->ComradeHaz`: --
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10:36<rikk>by the way what do you guys use to see youtube videos? i don't like flash and i had troubles with gnash.. in fedora i used minitube but it's not showing up on debian repository..
10:37<rikk>then what command should i use to restart X?
10:37<lindi->rikk: youtube-dl
10:37<ComradeHaz`>How else can one restart things then?
10:37<ComradeHaz`>I use that routinely
10:37<lindi->ComradeHaz`: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
10:37<Bushmills>,versions minitube
10:37<judd>Package minitube on i386 -- sid: 1.5-1; wheezy: 1.5-1
10:37<ComradeHaz`>same thing, surely?
10:38<lindi->ComradeHaz`: well see what hmh said :)
10:38<ComradeHaz`>Fair enough
10:39<ComradeHaz`>Anyway, anyone see my question?
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10:40<kop>ComradeHaz`: It's enough they be in the group. See also (IIRC).
10:40<ComradeHaz`>thanks kop
10:41<ComradeHaz`>I need to have someone sit me down and teach me permissions one day
10:41<chealer>lindi-: you're free to
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10:41<ComradeHaz`>I completely fail to grasp them :(
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10:42<kop>ComradeHaz`: Read the info pages. There's a reference to the right section in 'chmod' (it might just be called "permissions" or something.)
10:42<ComradeHaz`>lindi-: just a thought, isn't hmh's gripe with people calling it in scripts left right and centre rather than using it as a mechanism for manually restarting a service.
10:42<ComradeHaz`>thanks kop, I'll have a read
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10:43<rikk>it did not restart
10:43<rikk>i had to reboot
10:43<rikk>but thanks anyway
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10:44<rikk>graphics are okay now
10:44<rikk>many thanks
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10:48<bittin>why do i get this error?
10:49<amoe>bittin: broken link
10:49<bittin>try this instead:
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10:50<amoe>those programs are missing in root's PATH :p
10:50<devil>dpkg tells you exactly why.
10:50<amoe>what does 'which ldconfig' output, as root
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10:50<amoe>also, are you root :p
10:50<devil> dpkg tells you exactly why.
10:50<bittin>yea iam root
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10:50<bittin>amoe, /sbin/ldconfig
10:50<amoe>echo $PATH
10:51<towo`>this looks like using sudo
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10:51<grove>How did you become root?
10:51<bittin>/usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin:/bin
10:51<bittin>towo`, yea i was trying to use sudo
10:51<towo`>and it looks like not using debian stable
10:51<bittin>nope iam on testing
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10:52<grove>bittin: Can you see the error in that yourself?
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10:52<bittin>so i should ask in #debian-next ?
10:52<towo`>then you shold open your yes, if you upgrade your system
10:52<towo`>bittin, there was an update of sudo
10:52<bittin>hm it works with su and password
10:52<bittin>but not with sudo
10:52<bittin>towo`, yea
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10:52<towo`>bittin, you'r missing a new parameter in /etc/sudoers
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10:53<bittin>towo`, ah what parameter?
10:53<towo`>bittin, look in the file from the new version
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10:53<z30>i have problem with install PPTPD package in debian Squzee!
10:53<bittin>towo`, i ditched that file :p
10:53<bittin>maybe i shoulden't had
10:53<z30>i config that but i cant connect to it
10:54<towo`>bittin, you should not use testing, if you can't manage it
10:54<z30>i diconnect with error 619 any one know any thing?
10:54<bittin>only testing has new enough packages for ppc
10:54<bittin>but thx
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10:56<z30>help me to run VPN server in debian 6 (squeeze !!!)
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10:57<bittin>got some help in #debian-next and now it works :)
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11:00<chealer>rikk: what OpenGL reder string do you get now?
11:00<rikk>wait, let me check
11:00<chealer>rikk: I use Adobe Flash Player
11:01<rikk>whats the command to see the OpenGl string? ( lol sorry i forgot how i saw that)
11:02<towo`>glxinfo | grep -i render
11:02<chealer>rikk:$ glxinfo |grep ender;
11:02<rikk>i don't like flash.. there are many security vulns on it :S and it keeps my dad out of porno sites :P
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11:02<rikk>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV710 954F) 20090101 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL DRI2
11:03<rikk>thanks alot dudes :)
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11:03<chealer>rikk: great
11:03<rikk>i wish i know this much about linux
11:03<chealer>rikk: don't worry, your dad won't be able to run .exe files, you shouldn't see all kind of crap suddenly appear on Debian.
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11:05<rikk>although my first distro was slackware and then fedora, and i use linux for 4 or 5yr i don't have a deep understanding of all what goes on, i mean on windows i had a firewall and things like that and here i don't even know how to make my own iptable rules ( lol). But i order some linux books and i hope i can go deep in linux world
11:06<rikk>yeah i know linux doesn't run exe's, except if i had wine installed
11:06<loopcoop>this is my first time on irc... hello (am i on a debian server?)
11:07<petemc>you are indeed
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11:07<loopcoop>very interesting... i shall continue reading up on this on the great wikipedia :D
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11:14<rikk>by the way guys can you recommend me some books and sites/forums about linux and security? what have you read and things like that. thanks. i already have open source security tools and linux pokect guide and linux iptables (pocket reference). thanks
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11:15<rikk>i haven't read the last 2 books i mentioned
11:15<lindi->rikk: what kind of security?
11:16<rikk> network security and linux security
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11:18<rikk>i saw this book, silence on the wire but i think it might be too advanced for now
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11:20<chealer>rikk: what are you doing that needs to be secure?
11:20<rikk>nothing, i just think want to be a sys admin in the future
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11:21<rikk>and in this dangerous times when privacy are at risk it may come handy to know how to protect yourself from the big brother
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11:25<shiloh25>can anyone point me to the correct iso, i built a new pc
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11:25<shiloh25>amd black edition processor
11:26<ComradeHaz`>Not without knowing what you want.
11:26<shiloh25>i would prefer to go to the next level, i am running stable
11:26<ComradeHaz`>Only you can know that
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11:26<shiloh25>well i want debian 64 bit
11:26<chealer>is it normal that # apt-get update; fetches a translation index even though I have "Acquire::Languages "none";" ?
11:26<chealer>Hit sid/main TranslationIndex
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11:27<shiloh25>but ive never had a pc that wast i386 yet
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11:28<ComradeHaz`>try the amd64 testing net install then
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11:29<rikk>so any recommendations?
11:30<shiloh25>ComradeHaz` tyvm
11:30<chealer>shiloh25: you don't need x86-64 Debian, 32 bits will still work.
11:30<shiloh25>chealer, yes but i got 8 gig ram in it
11:30<shiloh25>so might as well
11:30<ComradeHaz`>shiloh25: yw. How well do you understand grub?
11:31<chealer>shiloh25: you don't need x86-64 to utilize more than 4 GB of RAM
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11:31<shiloh25>ComradeHaz`, minimal, im newer to debian, been on mint since mint 1 Ada
11:31<ComradeHaz`>K. nm then. :)
11:31<shiloh25>just switched to debian about two months ago
11:31<ComradeHaz`>chealer: is there any down side to x64 these days?
11:31<shiloh25>and will never turn back either, i love this distro
11:31<ComradeHaz`>Possible exception being flash?
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11:33<shiloh25>chealer, i wasnt aware 32 bit could utulize more than 4 gig
11:34<shiloh25>also have nvidia 285's x2 going to run sli
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11:35<rikk>ok guys thank you for your help, many thanks and keep up the good work
11:35<rikk>may the force be with you :P
11:35<rikk>hasta la pasta
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11:37<chealer>ComradeHaz`: some incompatibilities, but I heard very few recently. didn't try it yet.
11:38<ComradeHaz`>Well, I use it and have come accross no issues I believe to be 64 bit specific
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11:38<ComradeHaz`>Any samba gurus know what might be causing my samba share for my home to be limited to one client at a time?
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11:45<prahal>CompWiz: smb.conf : max_connections ?
11:45<prahal>ComradeHaz`: ^
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11:48<ComradeHaz`>prahal: I don't think so.
11:48<zsolt>hi there!I need some advice.I would like to display a picture during boot with framebuffer
11:48<zsolt>like the gentoo does
11:48<ComradeHaz`>Using a .conf that previously worked.
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11:48<zsolt>or opensuse
11:48<ComradeHaz`>zsolt: splashy?
11:49<zsolt>not really,because i would like to see the boot messages
11:49<zsolt>but in a background picture
11:49<ComradeHaz`>Oh, I see. Cool.
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11:49<ComradeHaz`>No idea then, I'm afraid
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11:49<zsolt>because I installed fbi
11:50<zsolt>it displays want to find out how is it possible to achieve my goal
11:50<alexandru>hy ! I have an issue with an ideapad y560 running debian testing .. the battery always shows as charging , and the power profiles do not change
11:50<alexandru>any idea if/how it can be fixed ?
11:52<zsolt>testing is buggy.use squeeze.that's my opinion
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11:52<shiloh25>ComradeHaz`, tyvm, got the iso \o/
11:52<alexandru>it did the same before before updating the sources.list ..
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11:53<zsolt>well any Idea how to display picture during boot?
11:53<prahal>zsolt: was it "bootsplash" the in kernel graphical boot ?
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11:54<prahal>zsolt: you want splashy
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11:54<zsolt>tried splashy,but it doesn't display boot messages
11:55<prahal>zsolt: it can . If I remind well there was a key to press and/or a theme option to display the messages above the picture
11:55<sylar>I have upgraded to squeeze, and now when I plug a usb flash drive it error with not authorized to mount
11:55<alexandru>so nobody ran into issues with the battery shown as charing ?
11:56<sylar>before, in lenny, it didn't auto mount, but every user with plugdev group could mount it
11:56<sylar>so I want the same behavior
11:56<prahal>sylar: you could remove the automount feature .
11:56<zsolt>I recomend squeeze to use,because testing is buggy I think,that's why you got charging problems
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11:57<prahal>or fix your setup ofr consolekit/policykit authorization scheme
11:57<sylar>prahal, where is the automount defined now?
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11:58<zsolt>well didn't find how to display messages with splashy
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11:58<zsolt>is it possible to set it to default?
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11:59<prahal>that s the issue . I am now on gnoem3 and that has changed .
11:59<prahal>zsolt: I will take a look asap
12:00<prahal>sylar: I bet it was available in gui via gnome-control-cnter removable device item
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12:02<zsolt>thank you
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12:02<prahal>sylar: you could try via command line to set /apps/nautilus/preferences media_automount_open to false
12:02<prahal>or via the gui gconf-editor
12:03<sylar>prahal, I am looking fro removeable device item, not finding it yet
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12:05<prahal>sylar: try gconf-editor . It is raw but will do the job
12:05<sylar>prahal, found it in gconf-editor
12:05<sylar>prahal, now what about the not authorized error?
12:06<prahal>do you use gdm ?
12:06<sylar>I am a member of plugdev, isn't that enough for being authorized to mount stuff anymore?
12:06<prahal>to login
12:06<sylar>and yes
12:07<sylar>i have gdm installed and running, but there is also an option to login without it
12:07<sylar>currently I didn't login through gdm
12:07<prahal>also do you have /usr/lib/ConsoleKit/ck-get-x11-display-device file ?
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12:08<sylar>I have that file
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12:09<prahal>ps ax»»»»»»|grep polkitd shows the daemon running ?
12:09<prahal>sorry : ps ax | grep polkitd
12:09<prahal>I have an issue with the x key of the keyboard :/
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12:10<prahal>then ck-list-sessions . It should show your user with active and is-local at TRUE
12:11<prahal>the latest command in an X terminal inside the X session where automount fails
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12:12<sylar>prahal, I have usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd process
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12:13<prahal>ok so you have the required daemons .
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12:14<prahal>could you run as root : "/usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --replace" in a terminal and check what it shows when you plug the device ?
12:14<prahal>it shoudl print authorized or not authorized with more details
12:15<sylar>prahal, ok
12:15<sylar>prahal, btw I have no active = TRUE
12:15<prahal>ok that is an issue
12:15<prahal>it cannot work tho
12:16<prahal>active means your user owns the currently active console
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12:16<prahal>gdm manage this for you . Otherwise it is handled by ck-launch-session
12:16<sylar>prahal, well, I don't own the active console (If that means the hardware graphics card's screen)
12:17<prahal>yes that means that
12:17<sylar>so everything is find with that regard
12:17<prahal>you ar elogged via ssh ?
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12:20<prahal>I am a bit puzzled . When your user has the not authorized error he is on an active console
12:20<sylar>he is loged in through network
12:21<sylar>with gnome and everything
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12:22<prahal>thin client or vnc ?
12:22<sylar>also disabling the media_automount, and media_automount_open didn't help
12:22<sylar>prahal, NX
12:24<sylar>o, it didn't filtered to the users
12:24<sylar>I have set it as default
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12:25<prahal>this will prevent the error from spawning as soon as the user attach the media . But it will be left for when he tries to mount it
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12:28<sylar>"/usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --replace" exit, so it is not running when I plug the device
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12:29<sylar>it has lots of errors such as:
12:29<sylar>(process:7817): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion
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12:29<sylar>(process:7817): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
12:29<sylar>Error registering authority: Could not become primary name owner for org.freedesk
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12:30<sylar>can't I just mount from console to see the error?
12:30<prahal>you run it as root ?
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12:32<prahal>ther is another way . That is to tweak the dbus file that start polkitd automatically yto output debug info to syslog ( I bet as root was via ssh too , that might cause the above error
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12:33<prahal>anyway now that I know this is an active console issue you might as well let polkitd be started again without twea&ks by the system (it does so when it is called into)
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12:34<sylar>prahal, how do I restart polkitd?
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12:35<secher>Heyas all. My wife's sister handed me her macbook in tears - she was getting a whitescreen. I've sledded the disk onto my Debian box but cannot mount it. It spins up, I can hear the drive head doing it's spinup checks, but no mount. testdisk shows a read error at every cylinder. ddrescue cannot find the partitions. foremost cannot find any files. testdisk does see the correct drive size. ot
12:35<prahal>it will by itself if there are no other instances of it running
12:35<secher>DOes anyone have any ideas of what else I can try to recover data from this thing? It's hfs+ I'm pretty sure.
12:36<sney>secher: sounds toast to me. but try sealing it in a vapor-proof container (triple-bag freezer bags are good enough, 1 bag inside another bag inside another) and freeze it for 24 hours
12:36<sney>try recovering it again while it's still cold
12:36<sylar>prahal, so I should kill it?
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12:36<secher>sney: Really? Will do? any idea what freezing it does?
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12:37<secher>sney: rather, Will Do! :)
12:37<prahal>if you have one instance run from ssh that errors out and is still running yes kill this one . Otherwise the system should manage this itself
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12:37<secher>That's so strange.. testdisk sees the drive and the correct geometry, but fdisk cannot see the disk.. wtf?
12:38<sylar>prahal, I have that one, and 4 other /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
12:39<sylar>killed them too
12:39<sylar>just in case
12:39<prahal>sylar: does you version of gnoem still has the "system > preferences > authorizations" ?
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12:41<sney>secher: I don't know what the mechanical result of freezing is, but it's revived quite a few dead drives long enough to get the data off. but make sure you keep that moisture out! any further discussion on this topic please take to #debian-offtopic
12:41<secher>sney: Many thanks man.
12:41<BALLIA_HATALLIA>to install only one CD?
12:41<BALLIA_HATALLIA>debian- example
12:42<chealer>sney: seriously...heh
12:42<BALLIA_HATALLIA>or i386-CD-2.iso i386-CD-3.iso ?
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12:43<prahal>sylar: I am getting out of the area I practiced . tells how to setup a local policy for an action
12:43<prahal>could you check the not authorized box > "+details"
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12:44<prahal>to double checkwhich service is managing the mount
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12:44<prahal>so we know for which actoin a policy should be written
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12:45<retrospectacus>BALLIA_HATALLIA: you only need one CD to install debian
12:45<retrospectacus>!ig BALLIA_HATALLIA
12:45<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
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12:46<BALLIA_HATALLIA>images as you need to install from the CD?
12:46<prahal>sylar: on my box this is "pkaction --action-id org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount --verbose"
12:47<BALLIA_HATALLIA>read that only 1. tried to load was a lot of mistakes "can` t find the kernel "and a reading error." possible to write a bad disc .. try again
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12:50<lindi->retrospectacus: it depends on what you want to install. CD1 is not enough for desktop
12:51<lindi->retrospectacus: you need to use terminal emulators to install more
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12:51<BALLIA_HATALLIA>okay ... first CD which was recorded scratching
12:51<BALLIA_HATALLIA>okay now put
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12:54<BALLIA_HATALLIA>I'm sorry, but there are Russian-language channel debian?
12:54<sylar>how do I know which /dev/sd? is the USB disk on?
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12:57<BALLIA_HATALLIA>dmesg|tail -n 20
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12:58<BALLIA_HATALLIA>file -s /dev/sd?
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13:00<prahal>zsofor splashy . Pick a theme and set <textbo<<enable>yes</enale> instead of no
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13:01<prahal>sylar: dmesg output
13:02<prahal>sylar: why do you need to know the sd? ?
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13:02<sylar>prahal, I tried to mount it from cli
13:02<sylar>as a user
13:02<sylar>and got
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13:02<sylar> an error: "mount: only root can do that"
13:02<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:03<prahal>the mount command you were able to run beforehand as user ?
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13:03<prahal>I mean the mount service udisk run as root so it has the required privileges
13:04<pavi_>why was
13:04<prahal>you only need to have the rights to tell it to mount (via polkit or else)
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13:04<jhutchins_lt>If you configure the drive correctly in fstab you can mount it as a user.
13:04<sylar>prahal, before I set the user group to plugdev, and that was enough to say that the user have privilage to mount
13:05<prahal>yes via clicking in nautilus . But via "mount" directly ?
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13:05<prahal>the cli command I mean
13:05<sylar>prahal, I think so
13:05<dominik>nick dominick was unable to login
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13:08<prahal>I cannot remind if so . EIther way it would nto go through dbus/policykit/consolekit so it is a different issue
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13:10<dominick>Hi! My IP has been banned from #debian. I don't understand why, and I am not able to connect from home.
13:10<dominick>It was working fine until yesterday, was wondering if there was a way to get it unbanned.
13:11<dominick>s/was a/is
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13:11<ompaul>dominick: you are in #debian
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13:12<sylar>should I have a plugdev entry in passwd file?
13:12<cherrybone>any idea how to download all .pdf files from the resources section of a moodle account on a web server via https? (I don't want to download all single files by hand anymore...)
13:12<dominick>ompaul, I'm not connected from home.
13:12<ompaul>what nick were you using from there?
13:13<dominick>this very.
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>dominick: Does your home IP address change?
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13:13<dominick>jhutchins, not often, but after a great period, yes.
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13:14<dominick>jhutchins, once in 4 months or so.
13:14<jhutchins_lt>dominick: It's possible that a range of IPs from your provider was banned due to spam or abuse. Can you join other channels?
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13:15<dominick>jhutchins_lt, #debian is one of the channels I can't live without.
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>dominick: That's not what I asked.
13:15<dominick>jhutchins_lt, oh! yes, I can.
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13:20<toabctl>should bugs for packages from experimental reported to the debian bugtracker?
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13:23<dominick>jhutchins_lt, I have confirmed that the IP hasn't changed since the last time I logged on, and also, that I cannot connect to the OFTC server itself. The only instance I was able to connect to another channel is through mibbit. Mibbit says I am banned from channed #debian, for anonymous nicks.
13:23<daemonkeeper>toabctl: Yes.
13:23<daemonkeeper>dominick: mibbit is generally banned on #debian.
13:23<jhutchins_lt>dominick: Is your nic registered?
13:23<dominick>jhutchins_lt, yes.
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>I guess you could use the freenode debian channel until the problem gets sorted out.
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13:24<daemonkeeper>Well, the problem could be solved by using a real IRC client, not Mibbit.
13:24<dominick>daemonkeeper, I use irssi.
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13:25<BALLIA_HATALLIA>OpenRC stably in Debian?
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13:25<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Read more carefully. His regular client can't connect, he can only connect by relaying through mibbit.
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13:26<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
13:26<dominick>daemonkeeper, no change in my system since yesterday, and my ISP sends and email for every small change.
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13:27<dominick>jhutchins_lt, I don't know if the problem will get sorted by itself. Do I need to raise a request in the mailing list?
13:27<jhutchins_lt>dominick: You could do that.
13:27<toabctl>daemonkeeper, ok. thx
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13:30<dominick>jhutchins_lt, does that mean I'm banned from OFTC and not debian?
13:31<jhutchins_lt>dominick: That indicates a ban from (and has a support email).
13:31<jhutchins_lt>dominick: What is the banned system running?
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13:31<dominick>jhutchins_lt, the OS? it's debian.
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13:37<jhutchins_lt>dominick: So email the support address with your IP and ask them why it's banned and what you can do about it.
13:37<antonio>hi, can anyone help me? my webcam is upside/down
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13:38<dimitri_deb>I have tried "Networking Support -> Networking Options -> IP: kernel level autoconfiguration"
13:38<dimitri_deb>and enabled the different options there... after that... in "File systems -> Network File Systems ->
13:38<dimitri_deb>the Root file system on NFS " option does NOT appear!.
13:38<dimitri_deb>that is at the time of configuring linux 3.1.0 for Dom0
13:38<dimitri_deb>Any idea of what's happening? Thank you!
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13:43<jgoppert>anyone having trouble push to a git repo on googlecode?
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13:59<dpkg>Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for many Ralink chipsets are present in mainline Linux kernels, ask me about <rt2x00>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2800>.
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14:03<sylar>can anyone help me debug why I can't mount usb-disk as a user despite being on plugdev group?
14:04<hipy>Hi how can i find out what driver i need for my wifi device in my laptop? it says ralink device 5390
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14:07<dimitri_deb><@ hipy @>·
14:07<dimitri_deb>I have the answer for you, hold on a second please
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14:11<dimitri_deb><@ hipy @>·
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14:11<dimitri_deb>there you can choose your model and download the driver you need
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14:12<hipy>well i dont know what model i have
14:12<hipy>i cant find it out either-.-
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14:13<dimitri_deb>you can do
14:13<dimitri_deb>#lspci | grep Wireless
14:13<dimitri_deb>and it should retrieve the model you've got
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14:14<Black_Prince>hipy, lspci -nn | grep -i ner
14:14<Black_Prince>hipy, lspci -nn | grep -i net
14:14<hipy>ok hold on
14:14<Black_Prince>use second one, first one is typo :-|
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14:15<hipy>if i use your command Black_Prince i get: atheros communications device 1969:1083
14:15<hipy>note that ethernet is working now(thanks to that custom version)
14:15<Black_Prince>judd, pciid 1969:1083
14:15<judd>[1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also
14:15<Black_Prince>Ah, it is only for ethernet.
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14:15<hipy>heh where is my wifi device
14:16<Black_Prince>hipy, use just lspci -nn and look for line that is wireless.
14:16<Black_Prince>only number like 1969:1083 is important
14:16<hipy>Black_Prince, i dont have a line with wireless
14:16<hipy>i do have network controller ralink device 5390
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14:16<Black_Prince>Can you pastebin output of whole command
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14:16<hipy>oki hold on
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14:19<Black_Prince>judd, pciid 1814:5390
14:19<judd>[1814:5390] is 'RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also
14:19<Black_Prince>hipy, you'd need backported kernel + backported ralink firmware.
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14:19<hipy>ah ok
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14:20<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo kernel
14:20<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
14:20<Black_Prince>dpkg, bdo
14:20<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
14:20<Black_Prince>hipy, ^
14:20<hipy>lets see
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14:23<hipy>Black_Prince, what package do i need to install to get the wifi driver to work?
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14:23<Black_Prince>firmware-ralink (you may need -t squeeze-backports switch when installing via apt)
14:23<Black_Prince>judd, kernels
14:23<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
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14:24<hipy>ok hold on
14:24<Black_Prince>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae firmware-ralink
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14:24<hipy>ok hold on
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14:24*Black_Prince holds on
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14:26<Black_Prince>or ... if you are using amd64 version - apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 firmware-ralink
14:26<hipy>ah that explains it
14:27<hipy>lol i got an error that it couldnt find it
14:27<hipy>it says its all installed and at the newest version already
14:27<Black_Prince>hipy, and firmware-ralink ?
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14:28<hipy>also, i already installed that to try to fix it
14:29<Black_Prince>hipy, iwconfig -> pastebin
14:29<hipy>Lo, eth0 and pan0 no wireless connection, thats all
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14:29<Black_Prince>hmm ...
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14:29<Black_Prince>hipy, lsmod | grep rt2800pci
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14:30<hipy>returns nothing
14:30<Black_Prince>hipy, bad news ... only 3.0 series support your card.
14:31<Black_Prince>and linux 3.0 is not backported, yet.
14:31<hipy>kernel 3.0
14:31<hipy>oh bloody hell
14:31<Zaba>(don't let the round number confuse you, it's just 2.6.40)
14:31<hipy>so basicly my laptop is to new
14:31<Black_Prince>hipy, yes.
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14:35<hipy>t is included in the mainline Linux kernel since version 2.6.33
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14:36<Black_Prince>hipy, one module supports several device models.
14:36<Black_Prince>hipy, support for model you have has been added in kernel 3.0
14:36<hipy>i see
14:36<hipy>is wheezy using kernel 3.0?
14:36<Black_Prince>hipy, yes
14:36<hipy>is it stable?
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14:37<hipy>not in the form of version release, but a stable operating system
14:37<Black_Prince>hipy, I can't guarrante if it's stable ... But it is pretty usable.
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14:37<hipy>Would it be a good idea to try it out. Usually the unstable versions of debian are more stable then ubuntu
14:37<Black_Prince>However there are ongoing transitions like multiarch support and gnome 2 -> gnome 3
14:38<Black_Prince>Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable. LTS ones are more like Debian Testing
14:38<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
14:38<hipy>I dont see how a long term support and a testing version are related
14:39<Black_Prince>I meant "by stability"
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14:39<hipy>So if i understand correctly, debian testing is as stable as a long term support version. In other words the testing version would be more stable then the unstable:p
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14:40<Black_Prince>dpkg, unstable
14:40<dpkg>Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
14:40<Black_Prince>dpkg, testing
14:40<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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14:42<hipy>well lets test that then :)
14:43<hipy>If it containts gnome3, can i remove that and install gnome 2
14:44<Black_Prince>short answered, no
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14:44<jhutchins_lt>I don't think gnome3 is even complete in sid yet.
14:44<Black_Prince>yet it is not full gnome 3 ... it is still in transition.
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14:45<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
14:45<Black_Prince>you can check this page for gnome3 transition
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14:54<GuilhermeCunha>Hi, my installation of Debian 6 is changing the ip address seted as fixed address why ?
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15:10<GuilhermeCunha>Hi, my installation of Debian 6 is changing the ip address seted as fixed address why ?
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15:16<petemc>GuilhermeCunha: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
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15:19<jhutchins_lt>GuilhermeCunha: Make sure network manager isn't grabbing it.
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15:29<captainkurt>having a prob installing wine in debian
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15:30<__Alex_>Debian Wheezy?
15:30<__Alex_>Or squeeze
15:31<captainkurt>think its squeeze
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15:31<__Alex_>in terminal, type 'cat /etc/debian_version', and report output
15:32<captainkurt>on another machine brb
15:34<captainkurt>is this done in the console (sorry new to distros)
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15:35<__Alex_>Ok tell me, what exactly do you want to install Wine, how do you want to install Wine?
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15:37<captainkurt>in terminal typed sudo -s then apt-get install wine
15:37<__Alex_>what error you get?
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15:37<__Alex_>May i ask? You migrated from Ubuntu, right?
15:38<captainkurt>no, clean
15:39<__Alex_>Try "su -c 'aptitude install wine'"
15:39<__Alex_>Wothout the DoubleQoutes
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15:40<captainkurt>yes, got it brb
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15:42<hipy>Black_Prince, i installed the testing but it says at wifi no firmware
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15:42<hipy>or something
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15:44<captainkurt>__Alex_: seems not to be able to find package. did download to download folder though
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15:47<captainkurt>do i need to put package in any folder or decompress?
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15:48<Black_Prince>hipy, again, firmware-ralink should be package you need.
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15:48<hipy>Black_Prince, it cant be found, i cant enable non free
15:49<Black_Prince>hipy, download deb then ...
15:49<Black_Prince>hipy, also, why you can't enable non-free?
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15:50<hipy>Black_Prince, when i try to check the checkbox it wont klet me
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15:50<hipy>but i got the deb, but i got an error that i cant get a lock on var/lib/dpgk/lock
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15:51<Black_Prince>hipy, don't use gui tools to install packages, it is bad habit. Close synaptic or any gui software management tool when trying to install deb
15:51<hipy>they are closed:S
15:51<ompaul>hipy: did you do this? [Monday 12 September 2011] [21:28:50] <ompaul> hipy: use this CD
15:51<AquaL1te>short question, i want to test grsec2 on my debian machine, i can use a tool for that called paxtest... it's in the repository:
15:51<AquaL1te>but aptitude can't find it
15:52<ompaul>or is this one of those new bits of hardware
15:52<AquaL1te>can you guys find it?
15:52<hipy>ompaul, nope
15:52<Black_Prince>ompaul, he used it, but his wireless card was not supported by 2.6.39 - only by 3.0
15:52<hipy>oh i did
15:52<ompaul>Black_Prince: ahh so he was given another link
15:52<ompaul>hipy: we only want you to be fixed
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15:53<hipy>ompaul, yes i understand, only i didnt know i had used that afaik:p
15:53<hipy>installing firmware-ralinknow
15:53<hipy>when i type iwconfig, i do get a wlan device so there is hope:P
15:53<AquaL1te>ah wait, i see the problem, i have amd64... the package is only for i386 :S
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15:54<hipy>Black_Prince, it works! thanks!:)
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15:55<hipy>little question only, when i update, will my gnome be updated everytime(so when the transitions finishes i got gnome 3?)
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15:55<Black_Prince>hipy, yes
15:56<hipy>What is the sources url for non free on wheezy?
15:56<Black_Prince>append non-free to end of wheezy sources line
15:57<captainkurt>wandering if my prob is the same
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15:57<ompaul>don't go mixing up things if you want a working system a backport is more or less ok but rampant grabbing might leave you with unexpected results
15:58<captainkurt>good sourse for wine i386 for debian
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16:00<captainkurt>good sourse for wine i386 for debian?
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16:01<ompaul>captainkurt: apt-cache search wine and start there
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16:02<captainkurt>? (n0ob)
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16:03<jumper>debian or ubuntu? the best?
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16:05<tank___>the driver I need for my USB wifi is not available... can I add a repository with all the extra drivers?
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16:07<captainkurt>ompaul: libary used by effects for the KDE window manager then start: commant not found
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16:09<ompaul>captainkurt: no idea what your comment means, perhaps you could include a little context?
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16:11<captainkurt>this was after typing the apt-cache command U told me about
16:12<captainkurt>apt-cache search wine and start there
16:13<ompaul>captainkurt: do this apt-get update && apt-get install wine wine-utils
16:13<ompaul>captainkurt: and you should be ok from that
16:13<ompaul>if not you got other problems
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16:14<jhutchins_lt>tank___: What repository has the drivers you need?
16:14<ompaul>captainkurt: and I suggest you go and read how to use wine so you can understand what it does and why
16:14<BALLIA_HATALLIA>apt - this main package system in debian ?
16:16<ompaul>BALLIA_HATALLIA: it can be as can aptitude, why do you feel the need to put the smiley on another line after your question, in fact why did I bother with this question at all?
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16:17<captainkurt>ompaul: have a general idea. need to start learning debian (first hill to climb)
16:17<BALLIA_HATALLIA>ompaul what ?
16:17<BALLIA_HATALLIA>ompaul "=)" - auto , sorry
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16:20<ompaul>captainkurt: wine is not the best thing to do on debian
16:20<ompaul>it just supports a co dependent culture which is harder to break
16:21<captainkurt>ompaul: it worked i think. thanks and is this how packages are installed?
16:21<jumper>Aptitude vs Apt-Get? the best?
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16:22<ompaul>jumper: there is no best there is only preference I prefer apt-get some like aptitude and heres the rub they are almost 100% identical in output
16:23<tank___>jhutchins_lt: on ubuntu the drivers are there also with fedora, i understand debian does not include non gnu software and since this is a desktop I don't care if software is GNU so I was asking if there is a repository I can add that would have the drivers I need.. or a simple way to get the driver?
16:23<ompaul>captainkurt: yes, if they are available you can apt-cache search nokia and find out what software might talk to a nokia maybe you should check out the wiki for contrib and nonfree
16:23<jumper>ahh ok, very thanks
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16:24<ompaul>tank___: wrong, it includes non gnu software bind for instance, however you want to do what I suggested to captainkurt
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16:25<jhutchins_lt>tank___: It's possible that the drivers are available in a newer kernel. Debian usually does distribute GNU licensed drivers, but sometimes the non-free firmware in in the non-free repository and needs to be installed manually. It would be better to discuss the specific chipset/driver you are actually looking for rather than speculate in general terms.
16:26<captainkurt>got ya on the co-thing but its one of the few things i heard about in debian lol
16:27<tank___>this was actually a general queshton.. as this was a issue I had in general, I dont want to deal with unecisary headace on my desktop.. I think you answered the queshton though, there is a repository in the wiki I can add
16:27<ompaul>captainkurt: so you are happy then?
16:28<tank___>yea thanx... although I have yet to find the repo lol
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16:29<tank___>found it
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16:32<captainkurt>ompaul: very thanks. first lesson in distros : >
16:33<ompaul>captainkurt: ok. Enjoy.
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16:41<nioubi404>Hi :)
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16:44<lindenle>Hi guys. Trying to use python yum in a web service and getting "error: rpmdb open failed". Same code is working on an Ubuntu system and I cannot figure out the difference.
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16:45<lindenle>well it appears that the rpm version on my debian machine is very very new...
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16:47<lindenle>where would I be able to get an older version of rpm for wheezy (without building it?)
16:48<dpkg>RPM is both the RPM Package Manager and the file format for its packages. Convert a .rpm to a <cpio> archive using the rpm2cpio tool (rpm2cpio package in squeeze, rpm in lenny). <alien> can convert a .rpm package to a .deb file format; this doesn't do a very good job of converting a package for use with Debian, you should use a proper Debian package in preference to alien. Also ask me about <stow>, <checkinstall>.
16:48<lindenle><jhutchins_lt> that has nothing to do with my question
16:49<jhutchins_lt>lindenle: Why are you using yum/rpm on Debian?
16:49<lindenle><jhutchins_lt> As I said I am hosting a web service that needs to look up things in a yum repo. Has nothing to do with package management on the debian system
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16:50<jhutchins_lt>lindenle: Ok, sorry, that's way beyond my scope. Sometimes dpkg comes up with helpful things.
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16:51<lindenle><jhutchins_lt>: no stress. It must have to do with the rpm version in wheezy..i am hot on the trail
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>lindenle: Running a production server on testing is a pretty bad idea to begin with.
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16:53<lindenle><jhutchins_lt>: yeah I did not realize I had wheezy on it until just now...silly me
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16:57<lindenle><jhutchins_lt>: probably just grabbed the latest debian-installer from developers because that is what I used to do for my laptop :(
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16:58<ballison>i have a stupid question: remotely sshed into a linux box. i see /dev/sb1 is almost full. how do i know if /dev/sb1 is a 1- hardware raid? 2- software raid or 3- just a big disk?
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16:59<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Do the mdadm tools let you query that on mounted systems?
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17:01<ballison>jhutchins_lt: I just installed lshw to look at the hardware that's installed.
17:02<ballison>jutchins_lt: If it were a software raid (mdadm) device wouldn't it be mounted at /dev/md0 ?
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17:16<odoardo>salve qualcuno puo aiutarmi? con ubuntu
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17:20<streuner_>odoardo: #ubuntu
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17:21<streuner_>dpkg, ubuntu
17:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:25<trave11er>does anyone have any ideas on how to switch the audio output to usb audio (usb headphones) instead of the built-in intel hd audio if not running gnome/kde?
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17:28<weasel>cat .asoundrc
17:28<weasel>pcm.usb { type hw; card Headset; }
17:28<weasel>ctl.usb { type hw; card Headset; }
17:28<weasel>pcm.!default pcm.usb
17:28<weasel>ctl.!default ctl.usb
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17:28<weasel>trave11er: maybe like that?
17:29<bh>how to view a list of all the services in which they state?
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17:31<BALLIA_HATALLIA>есть похожие функции, как в gentoo (rc-status -a, rc-update show) ?
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17:31<trave11er>BALLIA_HATALLIA: try #debian-russian
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17:32<BALLIA_HATALLIA>trave11er thank you
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17:34<trave11er>weasel: magic!
17:34<trave11er>now i need to figure out how it works :-)
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17:46<jhutchins_lt>bom dia
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17:54<nioubi404>I have troubles with xorg on my Asus 1215n, after installing (and uninstalling) nvidia proprietary drivers, xorg warn me about missing GLX, vesa and fbdev modules, and glxinfo say this : 'Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig'
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17:55<streuner_>dpkg, nvidia
17:55<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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17:56<nioubi404>thank you streuner_ but I have allready read this :)
17:56<streuner_>nioubi404: well, are you able to reinstall?
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17:57<streuner_>its a real mess acutally, so it sounds to me
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17:59<miimnon>I have installed Debian 6 off of a usb. Now when I stick in a usb it will not auto mount. The second usb drive I put in WILL auto mount.
18:00<miimnon>Is there something wrong with udev?
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18:02<miimnon>I have installed Debian off a usb onto a hard drive.
18:02<ompaul>miimnon: you should say what version you are using and please make sure that pmount is installed
18:02<miimnon>Debian 6 = Squeeze
18:03<miimnon>I will check for pmount
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18:03<nioubi404>streuner_: yes, and I allready uninstall the proprietary driver an relaunch X whith nouveau but the probleme still here, now i've reinstall nvidia's packages and no more result :/
18:03<jhutchins_lt>miimnon: Might be interesting to see what is in dmesg after you plug in the first one.
18:03<miimnon>I have done that.
18:03<ompaul>miimnon: jhutchins_lt is speaking volumes of sense pastebin it
18:03<miimnon>Let me do that again.
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18:04<nioubi404>I don't understand this sentence : " its a real mess acutally, so it sounds to me"
18:04<miimnon>pmount has not been installed.
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18:05<ompaul>kbar: FAIL
18:05<ompaul>miimnon: install it :) and then tell us how you installed
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18:06<ompaul>miimnon: the system not the program :)
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18:10<jrk>Hello. I am configuring reportbug to submit ITP in WNPP via gmail account ( I have "smtppasswd" commented out in "~/.reportbugrc". Will reportbug ask me for password when I will try to submit?
18:11<miimnon>ompaul: What do you mean "the system not the program"?
18:11<ompaul>miimnon: how did you install the base debian system
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18:12<ompaul>miimnon: udev sees the key but does not see a partition on /dev/sdb1
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18:12<ompaul>but it sees a label for same
18:13<ompaul>what kind of a stick is that
18:13<miimnon>ompaul: I installed the base Debian system with only the system and laptop selected. Then I installed xorg gdm3 and a few other packages.
18:13<miimnon>It is a Patriot usb flash drive.
18:13<ompaul>miimnon: you might have been better installing gnome and so on from a standard desktop install
18:13<ompaul>miimnon: what is on it>?
18:14<ompaul>what should be on it
18:14<miimnon>ompaul: gnome-core is installed.
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18:15<ompaul>miimnon: for a pretty basic functional desktop if you do the desktop install from the installer you tend not to have those problems
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18:16<miimnon>I know, I just did not want everything from gnome.
18:16<miimnon>Why would the only the first usb drive not mount but the second one always automount?
18:18<lindi->miimnon: are you using gnome?
18:18<miimnon>I can manually mount the first usb drive in /mnt to get to the files.
18:18<miimnon>Yes, I am using Gnome.
18:18<lindi->miimnon: ok, gnome does not need pmount
18:18<lindi->miimnon: it uses udisks to mount usb flash drives
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18:19<lindi->miimnon: so you have stick #1 that works but stick #2 that does not work?
18:19<miimnon>Yes, I can mount the second usb drive and the third. Which ever comes first does not mount.
18:20<lindi->miimnon: that is peculiar
18:20<miimnon>No. It is always the first no matter which one comes first.
18:20<lindi->miimnon: shows what should happen. can you compare against that?
18:23<miimnon>lindi-: What is this at the end of dmesg mean?
18:23<lindi->miimnon: not very sure
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18:27<kellar>miimnon: is it one of those usb sticks that pretends to be a cd-rom drive? like cruzer, u3?
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18:27<miimnon>No, It is a normal usb.
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18:30<miimnon>It thinks the USB is a CD-rom?
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18:31<kellar>there are some usb drives that do that to do all sorts of autorun tricks
18:31<kellar>I see a reference to UDF-fs in your dmsg paste, which is the dvd filesystem. and it complains that it can't find a cdrom
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18:34<miimnon>I found this in /etc/fstab: /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto
18:35<miimnon>Then I deleted it. Problem solved.
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18:38<miimnon>Amigos, thanks for all your help.
18:38<lindenle>OK guys I need some help. I am getting a yum (the python module) exception under mod python in debian. I have the exact same code working on my dev system (ubuntu). I cannot seem to find anything different...
18:40<catsup>why's it called 'cron'? is it a mispelling of the prefix 'chron'?
18:42<abrotman>saving characters!
18:43<jhutchins_lt>lindenle: Yet more evidence that Ubuntu isn't just a different version of Debian, but is it's own seperate distribution and does things it's own way.
18:43<jhutchins_lt>lindenle: The python stack is very complex, with lots of options.
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18:48<miimnon>catsup: One less character to type will save months over a lifetime.
18:48<miimnon>It adds up.
18:49<abrotman>space, not time
18:49<miimnon>a joke.
18:49<miimnon>It depends on how fast you type.
18:49<catsup>heh fast
18:50<miimnon>It saves space too. I did not think of that.
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18:59<miimnon>Can I mix different packages from different Debian release without destroying my system? I would like Python2.7.
18:59<abrotman>with which version of Debian?
19:00<miimnon>python2.7 from wheezy
19:00<miimnon>on squeeze.
19:00<abrotman>you can try, but if you try to make it /usr/bin/python, it will break your system
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19:00<abrotman>(very likely break your system)
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19:01<miimnon>Okay, I'll wait. I already have other problems that need fixing. No need to add to them.
19:02<mxf>hi, i'm trying to install from the current debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso which leads to
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19:02<mxf>this is the standard guided crypto-lvm everything on one partion option
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19:03<mxf>nothing changed whatsoever
19:03<abrotman>mxf: did you try with the squeeze installer?
19:04<mxf>abrotman, not yet. is there a option to change to the testing repository within the installer?
19:05<abrotman>mxf: with the current flux of the testing installer, i'd be using the stable installer anyway
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19:05<mxf>ah, okay
19:05<abrotman>mxf: kinda the point of the 'testing' installer is to *test* the installer, not install testing
19:06<abrotman>mxf: sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you get a big ball of noworkie
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19:06<mxf>abrotman, oh, okay, that was new to me.
19:07<abrotman>that's a technical term .. noworkie
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19:26<gthing>My computer is hanging at where it says "Configuring MTA: exim4" What should I do besides reformat
19:27<gthing>Edit the bootup script to remove MTA?
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19:27<gthing>Why isn't anyone here/
19:27<gthing>Go pink floyd this ass
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19:30<jota>i have a problem instaling Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) driver
19:30<jota>can somone help me?
19:30<mxf>abrotman, okay, the stable installer works (obviously?). thanks.
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19:34<jota>the turial in the wiki doesnt work for me
19:34<abrotman>tutorial ?
19:34<jota>and i cant undurstand why
19:34<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>.
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19:34<abrotman>can't be good
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19:35<jota>i was reading that
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19:35<abrotman>does your device match one of those IDs ?
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19:36<jota>14:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
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19:37<jota>is not realy the same
19:37<jota>hum ... maby is why it doesnt work :( ...
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19:42<jota>cant you help me?
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19:44<mxf>hm, looks like i have to change the sources.list in /target, chroot, apt-get update && dist-upgrade? i only skimmed the installiation guide, is there a more straight-forward solution?
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19:50<jota>nobody have that wifi card ?
19:50<jota>raight-forward solution?
19:51<jota>14:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
19:51<jota>i need help
19:51<jota>to make it work
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19:54<scisteffan>Hi, how do I set up iceowl-extension with google calendar?
19:55<scisteffan>does it require the iceowl app?
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19:55<scisteffan>(the package inserts a calendar add-on to icedove based on owl)
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19:58<jota>i did it
19:58<jota>but it doesnt work
19:58<kellar>can you be more specific
19:58<jota>de interface wlan0 cant show
19:58<jota>after i did it
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19:58<jota>says to make "iwconfig"
19:58<jota>root@jota:/home/jota# iwconfig
19:58<jota>lo no wireless extensions.
19:58<jota>eth0 no wireless extensions.
19:58<jota>pan0 no wireless extensions.
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19:59<kellar>jota: is it a built-in card?
19:59<jota>and i got that
19:59<jota>lo no wirless extesion
20:00<jota>eth0 no wireless extensions.
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20:00<jota>and in pan 0
20:00<jota>y it is
20:00<jota>my laptop is a toshiba l500 13w
20:01<kellar>do "lsmod | grep 819" at a termina, is the module loaded?
20:01<jota>r8192_pci 252684 0
20:02<jota>it is
20:02<jota>but not in use
20:02<kellar>anything in dmesg about the device?
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20:03<jota>[ 0.000000] pcpu-alloc: s90328 r8192 d24360 u1048576 alloc=1*2097152
20:03<jota>[ 2689.453648] r8192_pci: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned.
20:03<jota>[ 2689.458654] Linux kernel driver for RTL8192 based WLAN cards
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20:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:05<kellar>did you install firmware-realtek? does wlan0 show up in "ip addr"?
20:06<jota>i instaled firmware
20:06<kellar>is there a little disabe wlan to save battery on your laptop which is in the wrong position?
20:07<jota>it is on
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20:07<kellar>"uname -a"?
20:08<jota>on ip addr show eth0 and l0
20:08<jota>and pan0
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20:08<jota>but the pan as no IP
20:08<jota>Linux jota 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:23:16 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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20:11<kellar>what's the [vid:pid] string for the devince in the output of "lspci -nn"
20:12<kellar>something like "[8086:4227]"
20:13<kellar>easy now. yeah
20:14<jota>if you say that's easy say me
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20:15<kellar>the page i posted earlier shows this device supported in a v3.0.0 version kernel, you're running 2.6.32
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20:15<kellar>can you upgrade the kernel to a recent version?
20:15<jota>i cant
20:15<jota>just need some help to do it
20:16<jota>how do i do it ?!
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20:17<MrFrood>!tell jota about bpo
20:18<MrFrood>the bot is playing up :(
20:18<MrFrood>dpkg: tell jota about bpo
20:18<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
20:20<MrFrood>jota: try the command /msg dpkg bdo kernel
20:22<kellar>jota: basically, you have a driver modules installed which doesn't seem to identify your card, this is probably because it is too old. you need to upgrade your kernel or install the drivers from realtek yourself (avoid if you can stay with repository packages, simpler)
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20:23<kellar>jota: what distro are on?
20:23<jota>hum ... ok i will try upgrade kernel
20:23<jota>debian squeez
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20:24<MrFrood>jota: /msg dpkg realtek might also help you
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20:27<kellar>yeah, that page i posted says your card isn't supported on squeeze, is supported in wheezy
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20:28<MrFrood>kellar: that means a bpo kernel should work with any luck
20:28<jota>ok i will see
20:29<jota>ty a lot for the help
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20:31<kellar>and lxr confirms that support for this card awass added in kernel version 3.0.0
20:31<kellar>I think that upgrade will further your cause. good luck
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20:32<miimnon>Incorrect metadata area header checksum. I always get this message when booting. I tried to fix it.
20:32<miimnon>Do you guys/girls know a way to fix that?
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21:05<user01>pfff thats lame that gmail no longer supports iceweasel in debian stable
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21:06<MrFrood>user01: newer versions of iceweasel are available from
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21:07<user01>MrFrood, i know but they seem slower to me
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21:09<user01>MrFrood, i installed on my family computer last night and there is something wrong about how it was handling that it wouldnt install properly unless i like installed differently
21:09<user01>i had to go with the second option for package dependency
21:09<MrFrood>user01: use a proper email client with gmail then - alpine works fine with gmails imap mode
21:09<user01>with xulrunner5 or whatever it is
21:10<abrotman>these are not the droids you're looking for ...
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21:11<user01>instead of an android tablet id really like a debian one
21:11<user01>and a debian phone
21:12<MrFrood>user01: is "deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-release" the line you used in your sources.list ?
21:12<user01>MrFrood, yep
21:12<MrFrood>should work then :-/
21:12<user01>MrFrood, it was a fresh install so there were some package issues with the old iceweasel when upgraing
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21:13<user01>MrFrood, first it removed the old iceweasel
21:13<user01>then it wouldnt install the new one
21:13<abrotman>apt-get or aptitude?
21:13<user01>abrotman, aptitude
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21:13<abrotman>user01: i want to see the errors
21:13<MrFrood>I installedd fine with aptitude
21:14<user01>MrFrood, it installed fine when i chose choice 2
21:14<MrFrood>I have to go now
21:14<user01>MrFrood, the first one caused dependency hell
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21:14<user01>user01, it happened when i installed on my other laptop too
21:15<user01>somthing with xulrunner5 depending on libmozxx
21:15<user01>but if i said no to the first choice, the second aptitude choice worked
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21:17<user01>abrotman, where would it show those errors in the log? is there an aptitude log?
21:17<abrotman>it would show them on the sscreen ...
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21:17<user01>abrotman, yeah but selecting the 2nd suggestion for package resolution worked
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21:18<user01>abrotman, so im not sure it recorded the other log somewhere
21:18<user01>abrotman, im sure i can replicate it in a vm though
21:18<abrotman>so there's no error ?
21:18<user01>it happened twice
21:19<user01>abrotman, the first choice given by aptitude uninstalls a bunch of files and fails to install
21:19<abrotman>PASTEBIN ..
21:19<abrotman>you telling me this does nothing, thanks
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21:20<jota>i m back
21:20<jota>i did kernel update
21:20<jota>but i cant make it work
21:20<user01>abrotman, so does pastebinning if i already resolved it
21:20<jota>something stil wrong with my wirless card
21:20<user01>abrotman, ill just have to wait until next time
21:20<jota>Linux jota 3.0.0-1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sat Aug 27 17:34:31 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
21:21<jota>and lsmod return something better now
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21:21<jota>r8192u_usb 247718 0
21:21<jota>rtl8192se 74276 0
21:21<jota>rtlwifi 89753 1 rtl8192se
21:21<jota>mac80211 186805 2 rtl8192se,rtlwifi
21:21<jota>usbcore 128195 7 r8192u_usb,rtlwifi,uvcvideo,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
21:21<abrotman>jota: STOP PASTING .. use
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21:24<jota>ups ok sorry
21:25<jota>my problm stil's about 14:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
21:26<jota>kellar, i did the kernel update
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21:26<abrotman>jota: lspci -nn
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21:27<jota>14:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8172] (rev 10)
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21:29<jmfurlott>Hello all, I just did a fresh install of Squeeze and I followed the guide to getting my bcm card working. I seem to have to gotten the firmware installed however I cannot get the network manager to "keep" connected. It will just drop and then won't connect again
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21:32<jota>kellar: i did the kernel upgrade
21:33<jota>i m now runing kernel 3.0 ... but stil cant make iterface wlan0 work
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21:33<jmfurlott>jota, what card are you using
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21:34<jota>RTL8191SEvB Wireless
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21:36<jota>jmfurlott, RTL8191SEvB Wireless
21:37<jmfurlott>jota, man. Im having a similar problem with another card
21:38<jota>jmfurlott, some here said to me my card was not working in debian 6 with kernel 2.6 but should work in 3.0
21:38<jmfurlott>jota, interesting. it could be worth an update. did you update?
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21:39<jota>i did the upgrade and i can say something is diferent about de card ... the modules it loads ... but cant make it work
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21:39<jmfurlott>jota, can you show me how you upgraded?
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21:40<jota>jmfurlott, i changed main sources to de sid version
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21:41<jota>jmfurlott, then updated
21:41<jota>jmfurlott, and instaled
21:42<jota>jmfurlott, Linux jota 3.0.0-1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sat Aug 27 17:34:31 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
21:42<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>.
21:42<abrotman>jota: did you install the firmware?
21:42<jota>yes ....
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21:43<kellar>i'm here
21:43<jota>abrotman, i did all says in that page
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21:43<jmfurlott_>jota, i lost connection and missed the first bit for "then updated" mind sending it agian?
21:43<jota> i changed main sources to de sid version
21:43<jota>kellar, i updated to version 3
21:44<jota>and lsmod now report more modules working
21:44<kellar>i sae
21:44<kellar>but it look like it's loaded the usb driver, not the pci driver. btw, why the RT kernel?
21:45<jota>was the last version xd
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21:46<kellar>no that's ok, rtl8192se is the right driver
21:46<kellar>so, still now wlan0? no card device identified in demsg?
21:46<kellar>err, dmesg?
21:47<abrotman>did you install just the kernel from sid?
21:47<jota>abrotman, y
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21:47<abrotman>probably why it doesn't work ...
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21:48<jmfurlott_>is there any way to update to kernel 2.6.33 while on squeeze?
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21:49<kellar>i think, abrotman is saying you also need the other packages mentioned, taken from side, realtek-firmware especially
21:49<kellar>yeah, the firmware is failing to load
21:50<kellar>you've made progress, though
21:50<abrotman>and probably all sorts of udev and god knows what else
21:50<abrotman>judd: kernels
21:50<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
21:51<jota>let me try then instal the firmware
21:51<jota>form sid
21:51<dpkg>from memory, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> and <sid faq>
21:51<abrotman>!sid upgrade
21:51<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>.
21:51<abrotman>there we go
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21:52<kellar>abrotman: he has a device which is only supported in kernel 3.0+, and he's on squeeze, can you suggest a solution?
21:52<kellar>other then upgrading the kernel?
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21:53<jota>i m just instaling some packeges from sid
21:53<jota>was kernel
21:53<jota>and will be the firmware
21:53<abrotman>yeah .. that's not really how it works
21:53<jota>nothing else
21:53<jota>it is not a good ideia?
21:54<abrotman> .. and also all those dependencies ...
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21:55<kellar>those dependencies are important, but since he's booted into 3.0 already, I'd say install the firmware first and see if you're on the right track
21:56<kellar>right now he can still go back to the old kernel, and nothing's changed. if he upgrade those deps, he's commited
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21:59<jota>it is almost workin
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22:01<jota>kellar, it is almost working
22:01<jota>i got wlan0
22:02<jota>now need find networks
22:02<kellar>I wouldn't disregard abrotman's warning about the dependencies, I just can't offer good advice on the matter.
22:02<jota>yy i know ... just installed kernel and changed my sorces to squezz sorces
22:02<abrotman>might be easier with a GUI tool
22:03<jota>i know it's not a good way but its almost working
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22:03<jota>on GUI tool says cant mange the wirless
22:05<kellar>need to use sudo?
22:06<jota>hum ... maby
22:07<cygnus>jota: What kind of wifi card do you have? Because I have a RealTek 8192se and I just compiled / installed the driver myself on the existing kernel
22:07<cygnus>It was pretty straightforward
22:07<jota>i can find networks in the console
22:07<jota>14:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8172] (rev 10)
22:07<jota>that my card
22:08<cygnus>Yep, mine too
22:08<cygnus>SEvB exactly
22:08<cygnus>I got the driver from here:
22:09<jota>so do i
22:09<jota>but got errors on make
22:09<jota>it didnt instal :(
22:10<cygnus>Did you install build-essential first?
22:11<cygnus>What error did you get?
22:11<jota>something like could not find something in /usr/lib/linux2.6xxxxxx
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22:12<cygnus>Did you download the right version? There's one for 2.6.35 and above, and another for lower kernels
22:13<jota>i know
22:13<jota>but it is almost working for now
22:13<cygnus>Did you install compat-wireless? The readme suggests installing that for kernels below 2.6.35
22:14<jota>just need to find the way to put de GUI managing the networks
22:14<jota>nop i didint
22:15<cygnus>That might solve the problem for 2.6.32. the readme explains why. who knew you're supposed to actually read that? :P
22:16<jmfurlott_>i'm getting an error that says this when trying to update my system "Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl'"
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22:18<jota>i read
22:18<jota>but i didnt read all
22:18<jota>just do topics xD
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22:19<jota>for now it is working ;)
22:19<jota>ty all guys ;)
22:19<jota>kellar, tanks it is working
22:19<kellar>what was the prob with the gui?
22:20<jota>just some dependences
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22:20<jota>update and upgrade
22:20<jota>and it is working
22:21<kellar>ok then. I dunno what to tell you about upgrading with packages from side without the dependencies
22:21<kellar>that actually doesn't sound like the right way to do it.
22:21<jota>i undurstand that
22:21<jota>its like making legos
22:21<kellar>I'm running a distro based on testing , so it's not a problem.
22:22<kellar>but if squeeze ships with a kernel from 2009 (2.6.32)
22:22<kellar>where are you supposed to upgrade from? I don't see kernel-image updates in squeeze backports
22:22<cygnus>jota: My point is that it's entirely possible and probably easier to install the driver on 2.6.32 kernel in Stable, so you're better off booting back into that, following the directions, and removing 3.0
22:23<kellar>cygnus: you're running a 2 year old kernel??/
22:23<jota>hum ... i will see the advantages and disvantages and i will see better way to do it
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22:24<kellar>I'm still interested in an answer, if someone has one, shout my name...
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22:25<jotarada>for now it is working ;)
22:26<jotarada>tanks for ideias form all ...
22:26<jotarada>now i go sleep ;)
22:27<kellar>I guess if you cherry-pick packages from future release, youre supposed to use testing (Which is wheezy right now) and not unstable (which is always sid)
22:28<jotarada>y i know you are rigth
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22:28<jotarada>i will make it work in the better way tomorow
22:29<cygnus>kellar: On some of my machines, yes. I got Debian Stable to work on a laptop from March 2010. Of course, I had to compile the driver myself.
22:29<cygnus>kellar: 2.6.39 is available in squeeze-backports
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22:29<kellar>cygnus: ofcourse it works, it's just.... there's been a lot of improvments.
22:30<cygnus>And regressions
22:30<cygnus>ACPI power bug
22:31<cygnus>Reduces battery life by an average of 20% on some machines and still not going to be fixed in kernel 3.1
22:31<kellar>autogroup schedueling for dekstop usage was a nice improvement
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22:31<kellar>nouveau didn;;t exist back then
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22:31<kellar>well, no use in arguing about THAT.
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22:33<cygnus>Does cgroup scheduling actually make a noticeable difference in routine desktop activity? My understanding was that it was only really noticeable when compiling a kernel
22:34<cygnus>while simultaneously playing HD video :)
22:34<kellar>well, that exactly my typical usage ;)
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22:36<kellar>if it's a youtube video i use make -j8 and if it's a feature film I just use make
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23:21<aussa>hi, why does this happen? No rule to make target `/usr/lib32/', needed by `bin/fbxtest'.
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23:24<user7-3>есть кто
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23:30<user7-2>Оо нас вообщето выслеживают
23:31<user7-3>тока все спят походу тут
23:31<user7-3>пошли на другой канал
23:31<user7-2>ололололо троолололо
23:33<user7-3>прыш 25пы12щ
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23:33<user7-3> оло1лоло2л
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