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---Logopened Fri Sep 16 00:00:05 2011
00:00<chealer> nkadun: which exact Linux image do you use?
00:00<nkadun> uname -a
00:00<nkadun>Linux debian-hp 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:51:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linu
00:01<chealer>nkadun: what version of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 do you use?
00:02<chealer>nkadun: you mean 2.3.32-29 ?
00:02<nkadun>+29 is the meta package
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00:03<amitz>nkadun: btw, latest as in latest security update. fwiw, i used amd64.
00:03<nkadun>mine is i386
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00:03<chealer>nkadun: which CPU do you use? does is support throttling?
00:04<nkadun>Might I try the -bigmem versioN?
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00:06<nkadun>I'm not sure if T7200 supports throttling..
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00:07<amitz>suppose to be available at .
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00:08<chealer>nkadun: how much RAM do you have?
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00:08<nkadun>2.5 G
00:09<nkadun>I know it's no need, but I really don't know how to fix the fan problem..
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00:10<nkadun>may be it because of X1300 graphics driver?
00:11<chealer>nkadun: right, bigmem is not intended for such a machine, and won't help with the fan problem.
00:11<nkadun>since It's not like this when in Windows XP.
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00:11<Tekk_>I'm trying to install debian on an old latitude CPx. 500 MHz CPU and 492(iirc) MB of RAM. The installer freezes in various places no matter what type of installer
00:11<Tekk_>it always freezes while scanning disks, for example
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00:12<Tekk_>sometimes going to another tty and kill -9ing the install process helps, but eventually it either ends up just freezing the system or I run out of ttys
00:12<Tekk_>installed fedora 14 just fine
00:13<amitz>have you checked if that processor is supported by that debian?
00:13<Tekk_>it should be. pentium 3
00:14<nkadun>chealer: Any other suggestions?
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00:15<chealer>nkadun: well, start by determining whether your CPU supports throttling.
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00:18<nkadun>chealer: I've found the answer: it does support
00:19<chealer>nkadun: what are the maximum and minimum frequencies?
00:19<nkadun>chealer: let me check again...
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00:22<nkadun>ID Voltage Range 1.0375V-1.300V, does this help?
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00:24<chealer>nkadun: at which frequencies are the cores currently?
00:25<nkadun>2.00GHz both
00:26<chealer>nkadun: which frequency governor is being used?
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00:27<nkadun>in BIOS?
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00:30<chealer>nkadun: no, in Debian. see
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00:31<Tekk_>any idea what could be causing freezes in debinst?
00:31<Tekk_>tends to be stuff that involves the hard disk
00:31<Tekk_>scanning it
00:31<Tekk_>ubiquity and anaconda work perfectly fine
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00:37<nkadun>chealer: there is no cpu freq info by now
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00:38<chealer>nkadun: what? what does cpufreq-info output?
00:39<nkadun>cpufrequtils 007: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004-2009
00:39<nkadun>Report errors and bugs to, please.
00:39<nkadun>analyzing CPU 0:
00:39<nkadun> no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
00:39<nkadun> maximum transition latency: 0.00 ms.
00:39<nkadun>analyzing CPU 1:
00:39<nkadun> no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
00:39<nkadun> maximum transition latency: 0.00 ms.
00:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
00:41<nkadun>no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
00:43<chealer>nkadun: what does $ lsmod|grep cpufreq; output?
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00:43<nkadun>cpufreq_stats 1940 0
00:43<nkadun>cpufreq_conservative 4018 0
00:44<nkadun>cpufreq_powersave 602 0
00:44<nkadun>cpufreq_userspace 1488 0
00:46<kellar>I had problems with cpufreq on a gigabyte motherboard with random crashes. until I disabled it in the bios.
00:47<nkadun>somebody said Differentiated System Description Table(DSDT) compiler for M$
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00:50<nkadun>chealer: add acpi_cpufreq to rc.conf?
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00:50<chealer>nkadun: what does # modprobe acpi_cpufreq; do?
00:51<nkadun>FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
00:53<chexsum>asked google yet?
00:55<chealer>nkadun: well, no, that's not normal :-)
00:55<chealer>nkadun: I would check kernel logs
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00:56<nkadun>chealer: thx, I'm also google it for a fix
00:58<nkadun>chealer: might I down to another kernel temply?
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01:04<chealer>nkadun: if I was you, I'd either try a different Linux image or check logs
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01:05<nkadun>chealer: I'm doing so~~
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01:18<wols>!tell nkabout kmuto
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01:25<jardiamj_>I hope I can find here some body that could help me configuring my screen resolution
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01:26<wols>you left WAY too fast
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01:27<wols>what videcard and driver?
01:28<jardiamj_>well I have a laptop thinkpad T420 with hybrid graphic card
01:29<jardiamj_>one is an Intel Sandy Bridge
01:30<jardiamj_>and the other card an Nvidia
01:30<jardiamj_>I know that's not supported
01:30<jardiamj_>and I'm actually using the Intel one..
01:30<wols>it sorta is. you need a backports kernel and backports xorg
01:31<wols>also, you can switch (if outside X) via vgaswitcheroo. and it's probably advised since on my T400 with hybrid graphics, the ati card runs full power if I don't disable it via switcheroo, draining the battery in no time
01:31<wols>,version xorg
01:31<wols>,versions xorg
01:31<judd>Package xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+8; wheezy: 1:7.6+8
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01:32<wols>see the squeeze backport there? that's what you need for a sandy bridge cpu
01:32<wols>!tell jardiamj_ about backports
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01:33<mix22891>when i'm trying to install firmware i've got this error: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
01:33<mix22891>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
01:34<wols>how are you trying to install it?
01:34<mix22891>dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb
01:34*dpkg installs firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb into mix22891's head with a bone saw and a few screws
01:34<kinboster>hey all, I met a problem
01:35<mix22891>-i = install ?
01:35<wols>internat: yes. and you rebooted since? is your eth0 working?
01:35<kinboster>Autodetect proxy not working in konqueror 4.4.5(KDE 4.4.5) .I had added in my DHCP server the following configuration options: option wpad code 252 = text; option wpad ""; I was testing from Debian squeeze 6.0.1 using Konqueror 4.5.5 and in Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Proxy category, I selected the option to automatically detect proxy settings. when I restart kdm, I use konqueror to open a URL, I get a notifications: "Cou
01:36<kinboster>ld not find a usable proxy configuration script".I'm not seeing in the Apache logs any GET to wpad.dat files from konqueror.Any idea?
01:36<wols>mix22891: ^^
01:37<wols>mix22891: yes. and you rebooted since? is your eth0 working?
01:37<mix22891>yes, it didn't work
01:37<mix22891>no internet connection
01:37<wols>I asked more than one question
01:37<jardiamj_>my laptop is working fine with the only issue that my screen resolution is 1024 X 768
01:37<jardiamj_>and it should be 1600 x 900
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01:38<jardiamj_>but I don't have that option
01:38<mix22891>i didn't sow any eth0
01:38<mix22891>no internet connection/icon
01:39<wols>jardiamj_: it's not working fine. not with a squeeze xorg and a intel hd3000. you MUST use backports for your kernel and xorg
01:39<wols>most likely you use vesa right now
01:39<mix22891>where can i post all the error msg'? wols?
01:39<wols>!tell mix22891 about paste
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01:39<wols>jardiamj_: and then it will use the proper res too
01:40<mix22891>wols: see
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01:41<mix22891>i've trying to install debian 4 times ,but no internet connection
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01:41<wols>mix22891: first, I don't see an error anywhere. 2nd, have you checkde if those file(s) exist?
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01:42<mix22891>i think thy not
01:42<wols>don't think. check!
01:42<mix22891>i did
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01:43<mix22891>i even tryed to copy the files by myself
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01:43<mix22891>i didn't got the promision
01:43<wols>do these files exist?
01:43<Tekk_>okay, so I couldn't get installer working right and it kept freezing. if I do an install on a raw qemu image could I dd it onto the hard disk?
01:43<jardiamj_>ok, I'll look for the backports repositories
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01:44<jardiamj_>and then I should install the intel drivers from there, right?
01:49<mix22891>female alarm
01:50<mix22891>no errors there?
01:50<wols>jardiamj_: you should install xorg from there
01:50<wols>mix22891: warnings are no errors
01:50<wols>jardiamj_: and the backports kernel as well
01:51<mix22891>what "missing firmware" means?
01:51<jardiamj_>Ok, I'm new to this. I have installed Debian twice in this laptop. I will see it goes this time
01:51<mix22891>i've tryed to copy the files by my self to the folder
01:52<mix22891>there is no "rtl_nic/" folder
01:52<wols>then maybe you create it?
01:52<wols>and what does ifconfig -a actually say?
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02:08<nkadun>chealer: I'm coming to tell you that when I put the battery on, cpufreq-info works
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02:09<nkadun>current CPU frequency is 1000 MHz (asserted by call to hardware).
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02:10<nkadun>chealer: this may be a defect?
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02:24<raylu>so i was in here 12 hours ago about an NIC that i'm having trouble with
02:24*raylu wonders if kellar is still around
02:24<raylu>i've determined that it only craps out when i shove too much data through it, either down or up
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02:26<jardiamj_>which kernel whould I install from backports
02:26<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)
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02:28<raylu>also, i'm having some trouble getting 1Gbit transfers. in particular, ethtool and mii-tool don't report expected results
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02:32<jardiamj_>Ok, I probably want the squeeze-backports kernel
02:32<jm_>makes sense for sandy bridge yes
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02:52<skainz>hello, does someone know what happens if i have more than 26 disks? i mean after /dev/sda ... sdz ??
02:52<skainz>ok, thanks !
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03:02<raylu>skainz: why? are you about to hit 27?
03:03<skainz>raylu, not me, a co worker asked. He uses volumes exported from a HP lefthand appliance.
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03:09<kellar>raylu: what news from wittenberg?
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03:18<jardiamj_>I just finished installing the kernel from backports... I think I should restart. Shouldn't I?
03:18<raylu>kellar: oh, hi. so the interface dies every time i send about 100Mbit/s of data through it
03:18<raylu>jardiamj_: yes
03:18<jardiamj_>If it worked I'll be back soon... lol
03:18<kellar>raylu: what about manually setting advertised caps and renegotiating? manually setting the link speed at both ends?
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03:19<raylu>with mii-tool or ethtool?
03:19<raylu>i'm not really sure how to set the link speed in windows 7 :P
03:19<raylu>using mii-tool, i tried to advertise 1Gbit HD and FD but that did nothing
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03:20<raylu>i'm not as concerned abuot the link speed right now as i am about it dying
03:21<kellar>i read the manpage earlier
03:21<kellar>for eth-tool (that was you're trouble was, wasn't it?)
03:21<kellar>was it -s ?
03:23<kellar>try ethtool -s eth1 advertise 0x02; ethtool -r eth1
03:23<kellar>to set advertised at 1000FD and renegotiate
03:23<raylu>oh... apparently, the eth1 comes after -s :P
03:23<afuentes>hi, i get this error when using fabric --> . Can anybody help me?
03:24<kellar>it's easy to set linkspeed/duplex in windows, through the device manager, device properties, there's usually a tab with all sorts of driver options
03:24<raylu>0x020, i thinkyou meant
03:24<kellar>yes 0x020
03:24<kellar>and it's: ethtool -s ethX speed N [duplex half|full] [port tp|aui|bnc|mii] ...
03:24<raylu>xis:~$ sudo ethtool -s eth1 advertise 0x020
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03:24<raylu> Advertised link modes: Not reported
03:25<raylu>setting other options works, though
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03:27<kellar>well, that's not what I was hoping for
03:28<kellar>can you manually set it to 1000FD?
03:28<jardiamj>Hello!, I'm back thanks for the help. My monitor resolution looks awesome now!!
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03:28<jardiamj>and my bluetooth that wasn't working that good works great now..
03:28<kellar>raylu: btw, nothing special in dmesg when it dies?
03:29<raylu>nope. nor in messages
03:29<kellar>rayly: you can turn on IPG_DEBUG in ipg.c to get more debug data spewed out, I think
03:29<kellar>though I looked at it earlier, and none of the extra messages seemed really useful
03:29<raylu>i did take out the switch, though, and hooked the linux macine with two NICs directly to the windows one
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03:30<raylu>ethtool still disagrees, though
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03:31<raylu>i guess i'm doing something wrong...
03:31<raylu>xis:~$ sudo ethtool -s eth1 speed 10
03:31<raylu>Cannot advertise speed 10
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03:34<kellar>that paste seems like it might have worked after all, can you see the renegotiation going on on the windows side?
03:36<raylu> no idea how to tell
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03:38<kellar>raylu: you need to set both speed and duplex on the same command line
03:38<kellar>try ethtool -s eth1 speed 1000 duplex full
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03:39<raylu>Cannot set new settings: Invalid argument
03:39<raylu> not setting speed
03:39<raylu> not setting duplex
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03:42<raylu>hm.. be right back. popping open the case
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03:51<skainz>hello, i run a dialog from inside a rc.local script, but i cant user arrow keys, it just displays ^[[A any ideas ?
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04:04<Bushmills>skainz: try to add export TERM=linux
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04:04<skainz>Bushmills, well my term is actually set to TERM=linux
04:04<Bushmills>or just TERM=linux dialiog ...
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04:04<Bushmills>probably not when your rc.local runs
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04:38<rpetre>to anyone using gdm3 without gnome or kde, what is the right way to set keyboard layout? preferably per-user, not system-wide
04:39<rpetre>i tried putting setxkbmap in ~/.xsession , but it gets overridden
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04:41<rpetre>#590534 hints that it might be gdm3's fault, yet i'm still lost regarding where i should properly put my settings
04:41<SynrG>any help?
04:42<rpetre>could be, I'll dig in and see what it's used for, thanks
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04:55<raylu>so it appears i have gigabit transfers working..
04:56<raylu>but even downloading a file from the internet at 15Mbit/s causes the card to die
04:57<raylu>someone mentioned something about turning on some debug messages, but i don't remember what it was
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04:58<kellar>what'd you do?
04:59<raylu>nothing. besides take out the switch, which i had already done
04:59<raylu>ethtool is just lying
04:59<kellar>do everyone a favor, and open a bug.
04:59<kellar>that how things get better.
04:59<kellar>users bitch
05:00<kellar>and complain
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05:01<raylu>before that, i just ran 'ifconfig eth1 debug' and it just assigned some random ip address to that interface
05:01<raylu>(previously, it was
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05:01<raylu>it gave it which seems rather... random
05:01<kellar>I didn't know that ifconfig had a debug switch
05:02<kellar>nor does the man file
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05:02<kellar>where did you see that?
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05:14<kellar>raylu: I just skimmed through the source-code for ifconfig on wheezy, there' no such thing as a debug option
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05:14<kellar>just -v
05:14<kellar>don't know which version that man file talks about
05:14<raylu>hm. i guess it took 'debug' to be the ip address in some form, then..
05:15<SynrG>randomly searching the internet for doc is not exactly a reliable way to learn about debian
05:16<SynrG>try checking the doc that ships with debian instead
05:16<kellar>though u would have to make it base 22 or something
05:16<kellar>maybe it's a mayan ifconfig
05:17<kellar>raylu: so you have gigabit running, that's fine. still you have stability issues.
05:17<kellar>go the other way, is it still unstable at 10FD?
05:17<kellar>and note that the craziness might be from the other side of the link
05:17<kellar>since you're not getting getting any panics or errors in dmesg
05:18<kellar>in other words. maybe windows isn't working right. imagine that.
05:18<raylu>ok, i'll try stepping it down to 10
05:18<raylu>what was the debug logging thing you suggested earlier?
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05:19<raylu>woah. mii-tool now reports that eth1 is advertising: 1000baseT-FD 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
05:19<raylu>and, more importantly, eth1: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok
05:20<kellar>how come?
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05:20<kellar>the driver for your card is ipg, ther kernel source code for it has a bunch of error messages hidden behind a define called #IPG_DEBUG
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05:20<kellar>turn it on recompile, reload the module and see what your logs say
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05:21<kellar>I can't find anything in make config to turn it on at any rate
05:21<raylu>how come mii-tool changed what it reported? i assume because i took out the switch (i haven't checked since)
05:22<raylu>so i ran `mii-tool -F 10baseT-FD eth1` and got: eth1: 1000 Mbit, full duplex, link ok ... basic mode: 10 Mbit, full duplex
05:22<kellar>mii-tool is deprecated. let's stick with ethtool
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05:24<raylu>well... that was unexpected
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05:24<raylu>i tried to check the file transfer rate and it was definitely 10Mbit/s... for like 10 seconds. and then i lost a connection
05:24<raylu>i've been unable to do that transferring a file between the two machines; only downloading a large file from the internet or streaming video out
05:25<raylu>mii-tool correctly reports the link speed, though, and ethtool does not. i'm aware mii-tool is deprecated, but...
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05:27<raylu>how should i go about compiling the module? grab source from ?
05:28<kellar>hmm, dunno, I use the git repo
05:28<raylu>which git repo?
05:28<kellar>apt-get source PKG; edit sourcefile; debuild -us -uc -j4; dpkg -i ../<PKG>*.deb
05:29<kellar>should work I guess
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05:29<raylu>well, i don't think i'll need to package the entire kernel..
05:29<kellar>but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. none of the those error messages looked very informative
05:29<kellar>you can compile just the module, true, don't remember how...
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05:31<raylu>i'm still wondering what that wire that came in the box with the NIC was for..
05:31<kellar>make drivers/net/ipg.ko in the source directory root works
05:31<kellar>the remove the old driver and insmod the new one
05:32<raylu>i have no .config
05:32<kellar>hmm. does the debian kernel save a copy of the config under /boot ?
05:32<raylu>iirc, there is some debian package that generates "the" debian config
05:32<raylu>oh, hey, it does
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05:36<raylu>error inserting './ipg.ko': -1 Invalid module format
05:38<kellar>are you on the exact same kernel version as the one you downloaded
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05:38<classical>Hello everyone
05:38<kellar>btw, ./network/if-up.d/ and ./network/if-pre-up.d/ have a bunch of cruft the mucks about with ethtool settings whenever you bring your interface up
05:38<kellar>might be part of the whole situation
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05:39<classical>i have problem while im tring to run jvm on hps ilo
05:39<classical>the whole system freezes i have tried it with diff browsers but same
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05:40<classical>i restarted gdm3 and it does not help
05:40<raylu>i believe i am. i even went and applied the debian patches. also, defining ipg_debug gives
05:40<raylu>(i previously tried to compile without)
05:40<classical>i cant even kill the java process with kill -9
05:43<raylu>hm.. those (pre-)up scripts are installed by the ethtool package itself... i wonder why they're there
05:43<raylu>classical: what does `ps x | grep java` say under STAT?
05:45<classical>raylu: 2934 tty2 S+
05:45<kellar>yeah, can't be helped, comment out those two error lines. And, again, I don't think this will lead anywhere.
05:45<kellar>try forcing 10mbps first, better chance at success
05:45<raylu>uninterruptable sleep :D nice
05:46<classical>what this means ?
05:46<classical>how can i kill process if kill -9 does not work ?
05:46<raylu>you can't if it's in uninterruptable sleep :D it's uninterruptable :D
05:47<kellar>there should be an interrupt uninterruptable kill switch
05:47<kellar>kill -666 perhaps
05:47<classical>kidding ?
05:47<kellar>classical: isn't there more then one jvm available, whatever you're using, try the other one.
05:48<raylu>kellar: do i need to move the ipg.ko to /lib/modules/...?
05:48<classical>i installed it via repo it worked nice before
05:48<kellar>raylu: not if you use insmod.
05:48<kellar>I think
05:48<kellar>you do for modprobe
05:48<raylu>oh, interesting
05:48<kellar>and depmod -a... or so they say.
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05:49<kellar>they being them ofcourse.
05:50<classical>kellar: actually i have openjdk-6-jre installed
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05:51<kellar>classical: well then, you should have used the other one
05:51<raylu>the ipg.ko in /lib/modules is 32k... the one i compiled is 429k o.0
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05:52<kellar>> strip ipg.ko
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05:52<Black_Prince>You should select Kernel Hacking - Strip Assembler Generated Symbols During Link
05:53<Black_Prince>Also, strip --strip-unneeded kmodule.ko
05:53<raylu>hm. well, moving it to /lib/modules didn't help much
05:53<raylu>Black_Prince: yes, but i'm using the config in /boot to build it
05:53<kellar>no reason why it should
05:54<Black_Prince>raylu, debian does not strip build symbols by default (because of -dbg package)
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05:54<raylu>oh, strip does indeed reduce the size way down
05:55<raylu>too far, even :P
05:55<kellar>I told you I was handsome
05:55<raylu>btw, the file at is named [linux-2.6_3.0.0-3.dsc]
05:55<raylu>this is rather strange
05:55<Black_Prince>raylu, because of the transition ....
05:55<kellar>no a dsc file is like a debian .torrent
05:56<daemonkeeper>ehrm, Black_Prince all Debian packages are stripped (by default), so does install(1) in most targets (by default)
05:56<kellar>oh, yeah the changeover
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05:56<raylu>i'm tempted to just try an older kernel
05:56<raylu>or 3.
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06:00<kellar>raylu: last commit on ipg.c was November 2010
06:01<kellar>that's before 2.6.37
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06:05<raylu>darn. 2.6.32 was doing _so_ well
06:05<raylu>and then it crapped out too.
06:06<raylu>Sep 16 03:00:46 localhost kernel: [ 8.984472] r8169: WARNING! Changing of MTU on this NIC may lead to frame reception errors!
06:07<raylu>oh wait, that's the eth0 one.
06:08<kellar>why is you're MTU changing?
06:08<kellar>your even
06:08<raylu>not a clue.
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06:11<rpetre>tagged vlans by any chance?
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06:16<new->hi guys, i'm feeling stupid with the following : when i launch my pssh (clustering ssh in python) command line in a shell it works fine, but when i insert it in a bash script it simply dont do anything, no matter what i do : for or while loop .... any idea ?
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06:22<raylu>rpetre: hopefully not :P i have 2 machines: a linux box with two NICs and a windows machine with 1
06:23<raylu>the linux box acts as a router but the NIC connecing the two dies when i push too much data through it
06:23<raylu>new-: show us the script and how you invoke it outside the script
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06:31<kellar>raylu: is it an old machine btw?
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06:32<Rehnquist_>quick question guys: can i configure vnc server to listen on port 80 or will it conflict with something? the company i work in has most ports blocked...
06:32<petemc>it would conflict with a web server, if you ran one
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06:35<EmleyMoor>For one of my future projects, is there a good guide to setting up and managing a diskless Debian workstation?
06:35<ompaul>Rehnquist_: the other problem is going against a company security policy might just get you sacked
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06:49<aktiv[b]>are there any mac-bootable debian live images available?
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06:58<jeremiah_>aktiv[b]: When you say "mac-bootable" what do you mean?
06:58<jeremiah_>aktiv[b]: Do you mean a live CD that you can boot from on your Mac?
06:58<jeremiah_>Or are you referring to PXE boot?
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07:02<aktiv[b]>jeremiah_: i just downloaded debian live 6.0.2 img, dd'ed it over to a usb disk, but the mac boot loader won't recognize it as an bootable option
07:03<aktiv[b]>so what i mean is, is there another image that i can dd in, or do i have to start tinkering with refit etc
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07:03<dba>live images are not efi-enabled,
07:03<jeremiah_>aktiv[b]: Have you told your Mac to boot from the USB?
07:03<dba>if you can't boot them in mbr compat mode in your mac, then you're lost.
07:03<jeremiah_>I think in OS X it is called "target disk"
07:03<jm_>I think they are working on EFI support for hybrid images so it shall be OK in the future
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07:04<dba>well, we're basically waiting for syslinux 5 which will have efi support.
07:05<dba>grub-efi doesn't look like it's a worthwile 'workaround'.
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07:05<aktiv[b]>jeremiah_: i need to a special mac bootable flag on the drive?
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07:06<aktiv[b]>dba: why not? to much work? to fickle ?
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07:06<aktiv[b]>and when is syslinux 5 expected?
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07:07<dba>aktiv[b]: well, patches welcome of course, but grub has always been 'difficult' to be used in chroot situations.
07:08<dba>there's no clear ETA for syslinux 5.
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07:11<eso25>tu puta madre
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07:12<eso24>fuck you mother
07:12<eso25>fuck your moder
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07:12<eso25>fuck your mother
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07:14<aktiv[b]>so, when what i need is debian live on usb bootable on mac and pc both, it's saying i'm planning my private mission to mars ?
07:15<petemc>you'll struggle to get usb booting on a mac i think
07:16<aktiv[b]>i've seen guides to install refit on the usb, which in turn boots grub, that's what i'm aiming to set up
07:16<jm_>probably the easiest path for now
07:17<aktiv[b]>but now i need to just boot into debian from another usb stick, to get an ext-partition on the stick
07:17<aktiv[b]>this is like rubiks cube
07:17<kellar>EmleyMoor: I fooled around with drbl, and was up and running in 10 minutes
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08:13<Mundz>hello is there anyone here that can script in bash ? I am looking for a little bit of help if possible
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08:15<kellar>Mundz: speak
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08:19<dpkg>i guess bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. #bash on and
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08:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:25<mattux_>salut les biloutes
09:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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09:26<wols>yes, better to insult them over there instead of us. good bye (and don't come back)
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09:43<Nikola>cpufreqd failed on startup and my i3 processor now work on 800mhz freq, help please.
09:43<Nikola>i use debian squeeze stable
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09:50<nnamdi>good day
09:51<nnamdi>pls i have a debian 6 server and windows base systems on my network
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09:52<nnamdi>i need an opensource backup server to install on my debian and also to be able to backup linux client machines i.e windows on the server
09:52<nnamdi>any clue or help
09:53<wols>nnamdi: it's already in debian
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09:53<wols>or backuppc
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09:55<Nikola>cpufreqd failed on startup can comebody help me with that
09:56<nnamdi>wols: amanda seems a little bit complex to be honest
09:56<nnamdi>but i have not tried backuppc
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10:53<CiccioPasticcio82>hi, which is the defult IMAP server in the squeeze distribution? thanks
10:54<petemc> tasksel --task-packages mail-server
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10:55<petemc>i would recommend dovecot over anything else
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11:06<chaosIrs1i>how do i make apache2 "nice" in terms or cpu hogging?
11:06<akerl>Use a bat
11:06<chaosIrs1i>and collect guano?
11:07<wols>how is it cpu hogging?
11:07<chaosIrs1i>load was 13
11:07<LordShiva>what version you use
11:07<wols>maybe don't run php? or use cgroups?
11:07<wols>chaosIrs1i: "load" is irrelevant
11:07<LordShiva>install atop
11:07<LordShiva>and htop
11:07<chaosIrs1i>stop too? :)
11:08<LordShiva>and watch what hoggs
11:08<LordShiva>atleast you should see what hogging mostly
11:08<LordShiva>what sort of problem do you have
11:09<LordShiva>slow disks
11:09<LordShiva>slow cpu
11:09<wols>!tell LordShiva about enter
11:09<chaosIrs1i>well.. when top says there are 7 apache2 processes and once i killed apache and load went back to 0.2 i think i'm quite clear what was using the cpu :) and yes ... it's the php script but i need that script but wouldn't mind it being less greedy
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11:11<chaosIrs1i>the script is 80% cpu dependent and 20% hdd (mysql)
11:11<CiccioPasticcio82>thanks petemc, does anybody know any nice how-to related to setting exim4 virtual users with mySQL on debian squeeze? thanks
11:12<chaosIrs1i>there's nothing wrong with LordShiva 's enter usage :P i hit enter once i typed what i came to my mind too
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11:12<LordShiva>try to run :$ top -d 1 | grep Cpu
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11:13<LordShiva>try to run :$ top -d 1 | grep apache
11:13<LordShiva>and watch output while script is running
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11:14<LordShiva>it will give you continuous output of how much apache2 proc is using a resources in realtime :)
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11:16<LordShiva>btw i have a question
11:16<chaosIrs1i>48 lines (page height :P) 90+%
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11:16<LordShiva>how to change a letter of multiple times plugged a usb hdd external
11:17<LordShiva>I every time get a other letter
11:17<LordShiva>is there a way to unplug purge its state
11:17<chaosIrs1i>umm... what letter?
11:17<LordShiva>and plug again
11:17<LordShiva>/dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc ...
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11:18<chaosIrs1i>try the disk id?
11:18<LordShiva>chaosIrs1i, what version of apache you have
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11:18<LordShiva>but I dont have problem with mount
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11:19<LordShiva>it is i hate to get all the time other letters for same disk
11:19<chaosIrs1i>searching ... something newish :)
11:19<chaosIrs1i>Version: 2.2.19-2
11:19<LordShiva>chaosIrs1i, what version of apache you have installed ?
11:19<chaosIrs1i>^- that one
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11:21<LordShiva>i meant is it itk or mpm-prefork or mpm-itk or mpm-worker
11:23<LordShiva>open aptitude hit / and search for apache and tell me what one of those versions of appache are installed
11:23<LordShiva>they use different thread model
11:23<LordShiva>some spawn a lot of processes
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11:27<LordShiva>chaosIrs1i, did yu found what type of apache you have installed
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11:27<LordShiva>here are all versions§ion=all
11:28<chaosIrs1i>LordShiva: same pastebin
11:28<chaosIrs1i> <-- this one
11:28<chaosIrs1i>i added installed apache stuff @ the end :)
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11:29<LordShiva>ok you use apache2-mpm-prefork
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11:30<LordShiva>try apache2-mpm-worker
11:31<LordShiva>or apache2-mpm-itk
11:31<LordShiva>you can always go back on prefork
11:31<LordShiva>or just test did you need some other module
11:31<LordShiva>update a mysql
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11:32<chaosIrs1i>i updated everything at the same time a while ago
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11:36<chaosIrs1i>well.. i think i'll try them another time but thanks :) gotta go soon and i don't wanna break stuff for the weekend
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11:41<LordShiva>it is not a breaking things it is a different thread model
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11:41<LordShiva>different way of handling requests for apache to process
11:42<LordShiva>threading or spawning processes
11:42<LordShiva>having preloaded or load on demand
11:42<LordShiva>have a keep-alive or have normal serving of any request
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11:44<LordShiva>chaosIrs1i, throw this query and follow links,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=fd655ff93d1d1d94&biw=1023&bih=591
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11:44<LordShiva>"apache thread model" is query
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11:46<wols>LordShiva: the makers of enter key called. they want you to stop harming their product. thank you
11:48<LordShiva>whaaaaaat wols
11:48<LordShiva>r u nuts
11:48<LordShiva>I'm helping a man here and you only mumble jumble wols
11:49*jrib thinks the enter key maker may not be alone
11:49<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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11:49<LordShiva>if we would meet somewhere you would eat that enter :p
11:50<wols>LordShiva: please stop the threats. and stop misusing your enter key
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11:51<LordShiva>well what you ppl like writing a essay while you typing on irc :P
11:52<wols>gruetzkopf: you have a debian problem we may help you with?
11:53<gruetzkopf>no.. i dont like the way LordShiva talks
11:53<gruetzkopf>my systems running debian run just fine
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11:55<LordShiva>damn it not working uh i need to make a custom package bot whit that name :)
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11:55<wols>!pal LordShiva
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12:09*xfire78xx giorno..
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12:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:13<nkadun>Hi all, I'm using HP NC6400 Laptop with squeeze. The fan is always in a high speed and one of the Thermal Zones (TZ2) is always 77 degree C
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12:14<nkadun>Could somebody tell is it normal or not?
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12:17<Erbureth>nkadun: i would say graphic powermanagement, if it didn't have intel card
12:17<Erbureth>nkadun: does your cpu run always at max freq by chance?
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12:19<nkadun>half when it's free
12:19<wols>nkadun: check what your cpu governor is set to
12:20<wols>a nc6400 should run at 800MHz when idle
12:20<Erbureth>or maybe simple cleanup of the fan would do the trick, it certainly helped me :)
12:21<nkadun>min is 1000mhz with mine
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12:25<lindi->wols: really?
12:25<lindi->wols: I get a cpu speed distribution like for nc6400 and nothing runs at 800 MHz from this population
12:25<wols>lindi-: core2duos run at 800MHz normally in lowest setting. mine do
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12:26<wols>lindi-: this looks like the max cpu speed it can run on. not the idle speeds
12:26<lindi->wols: aha
12:26<wols>all core2duos I saw so far use 800MHz on idle with speedstep
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12:27<lindi->wols: I thought that because it varied so much it would be the real frequency in use
12:28<lindi->wols: but indeed it is collected from /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq
12:28<wols>1600 to 2300 is not a lot of variation :)
12:28<wols>typical for a cpu family
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12:29<lindi->wols: yep, matches the model:
12:30<wols>lindi-: where do you get this kind of data btw?
12:30<lindi->wols: maybe should add a patch that collects also temperature information
12:30<nkadun>I'm going to cleanup the fan for a try
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12:30<nkadun>wait for good news from me~~
12:30<lindi->wols: I'm planning to packge it so I need to play with it first :)
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12:31<lindi->wols: you can get a complete database dump from -- it has data from around 2.7 million gnu/linux installations
12:32<lindi->linuxcounter is completely lame in comparison :)
12:32<wols>is the data gathering step automated?
12:33<lindi->wols: yes
12:33<wols>maybe I should add my colinux setup :)
12:33<lindi->wols: the installer asks the user if they want to participate
12:33<lindi->wols: and after that it will periodically refresh your profile in the database
12:34<wols>so it's a popcon for hardware
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12:34<lindi->wols: sort of yes
12:34<lindi->wols: except that it is cross-distro
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12:34<lindi->wols: and you can see how long a given piece of hardware has been in use
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12:35<ajes>Hi, how can I found, which package is a 'leaf' (package, who is not a dependency for any other package, and is explicity installed. Something like orphan, but orphans are installed as dependency).
12:35<lindi->wols: popcon has no state on the client side but smolt has an UUID
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12:56<lindi->wols: if you have any ideas for improvement I'd like to hear about them :)
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12:57<wols>improvements for what?
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13:16<wols>ubuntu34234: please use another channel for testing. /join Ineedtotest and spam there to your hearts content
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13:27<eviltoaster>when will be up again or where can i find linux kernel source?
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13:28<Scurz>I've got a problem with my dvd/cd reader, it doesnt reader anymore my audio CDs, it sometimes reads data CDS. Here are the errors I get , any ideas?
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13:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:31<theocrite>Hello everyone.
13:32<theocrite>I have a question concerning Debian patching policy.
13:32<theocrite>Dotclear is a new Debian package. Very quickly a Swedish translation was available.
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13:33<theocrite>Are these contributions always forwarded to upstream?
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13:42<adi>hi all !
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13:46<ansgar>theocrite: If they are not Debian-specific, they should be forwarded. But the bug you mentioned refers to debconf so it might not need to be forwarded upstream.
13:46<adi>I have sound problem with my realtek sound card :s
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13:55<thenewguy>I need help setting up an encrypted partition during installation (squeeze i386) with the graphical installer. I created a new encrypted partition, it shows up as "not active". The handbook says I should choose "configure encrypted volumes", what I do, but it doesn't prompt for a password. the only options I get are "create encrypted volumes" (what I've already done) and "finish". on pressing finish it alerts because of unsafe swap
13:56<thenewguy>I followed this guide:
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13:57<thenewguy>as I said, it does *not* prompt for a password or asks wether to erase the partition
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14:03<theocrite>ansgar: thanks.
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14:04<theocrite>ansgar: isn't there a way to make people contribute upstream instead of making the modifications as Debian specific ?
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14:13<wols>theocrite: no. but everything debian does is public. so if the maintainer doesn't tell upstream, any user can
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14:17<d0ct0r>is this the Debian netinstall with firmware included or is it only firmware? ->
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14:18<chealer>theocrite: in general, Debian-specific modifications are applied on Debian, not upstream.
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14:19<timothy>People! hi.. I want to migrate my debian unencrypted sytem to an encrypted partition with lvm2. After setting up crypttab I am able to boot and open the encrypted disk but lvm does not unlock my logical volumes. By the way lvm2 is installed in my unencrypted debian squeeze and initramfs updated
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14:22<raylu>kellar: no, the machine was bought this summer
14:23<d0ct0r>is this the Debian netinstall with firmware included or is it only firmware? -> - anyone who knows?
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14:24<thewanderer>d0ct0r: considering the size, it looks like netinst+firmware... try it and see
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14:24<raylu>and the name..
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14:24<d0ct0r>thewanderer: will it work on USB?
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14:39<theocrite>wols: sure any user can. But will any user do it? Isn't there a way to send automatic notifications to upstream as soon as a new translation is available?
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14:40<wols>the answer doesn't change, no matter how often you ask
14:40<ansgar>theocrite: Why should debconf translations be forwarded upstream? They are not relevant for them.
14:40<theocrite>chealer: yes of course it's not applied upstream. But Debian should at least notify upstream, don't you think so? It would be very unfortunate that the upstream wouldn't even be aware of imrpovements and unable to make it avialable to it's own users.
14:41<ansgar>theocrite: And if upstream wants to, he can subscribe to the package and receive all bug mail (there is a link on<source-package-name>).
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14:41<theocrite>Ok thanks, i'll forward this information.
14:42<theocrite>I'm a bit sad to learn it works that way though.
14:42<wols>theocrite: how else can it work?
14:43<wols>there cannot be any automatic system unless debian provides such a system which will mean a LOT of additional work for them since every upstream project is utterly different
14:45<Hydroxide>theocrite: and some of the changes are inherently debian-specific, too - like "you may need to install X other package for this to do Y" - so not all changes are even relevant to upstreams. we do have an upstream frontdesk available to help upstreams deal with debian though
14:47<Hydroxide> if upstreams want a simple place to get in touch with us
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14:48<Hydroxide>though the specific maintainer may be best if they know how to find that
14:48<chealer>theocrite: The information is available if upstream wants it, but it's hard to see why Debian should willingly notify upstream of Debian-specific changes if they're not going to be integrated upstream.
14:49<Hydroxide>the debian-upstream archive from this month has the beginnings of what may become a feature to allow upstreams to subscribe to only the bugs with certain tags, or only the bugs that aren't dealt with in a certain time frame
14:49<Hydroxide>that might be a good way to handle some of this
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15:04<mercutio22>I need to remove the gnome-desktop. How can I tell aptitude to do it/:
15:06<Black_Prince>tell apt-get ... aptitude can do serious mess
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15:10<mercutio22>Black_Prince: but how?
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15:11<Black_Prince>mercutio22, I am not sure if you just want to remove meta package or whole gnome desktop ...
15:13<mercutio22>Black_Prince: I want to remove the whole gnome desktop
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15:14<Black_Prince>Ah, that is going to be hard ... I'd rather suggest to reinstall minimal system. Or you can try by removing libgconf2-4 on which all gnome packages are linked
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15:17<brunoramos>Anyone else getting weird messages about an invalid key for "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze)" when running apt-get?
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15:18<brunoramos>s/apt-get/aptget update/
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15:20<Black_Prince>brunoramos, no ... what debian mirror?
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15:22<brunoramos>can I paste the whole line here ?
15:23<brunoramos>W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <>
15:25<brunoramos>I haven't found anything explaining the problem in google ...
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15:26<Black_Prince>brunoramos, don't use ... use mirrors
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15:27<brunoramos>I'm getting the same error with my mirror
15:27<brunoramos>W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <>
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15:28<Black_Prince>brunoramos, dpkg -l | grep debian-archive-keyring
15:28<brunoramos>already checked that, it's installed
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15:28<brunoramos>dpkg -l | grep debian-archive-keyring
15:28<dpkg>ii | grep debian-archive-keyring 3.3-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
15:28<brunoramos>ii debian-archive-keyring 2010.08.28
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15:30<Black_Prince>brunoramos, same version here, .be and .ba debian mirrors work fine for me.
15:30<brunoramos>It seems it's not a general problem ...
15:31<Black_Prince>brunoramos, when was last time you ran apt-get update?
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15:31<brunoramos>without the warning?
15:31<Black_Prince>last time ... when the error appeared.
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15:33<Black_Prince>brunoramos, well you can try reinstalling apt and debian-archive-keyring if that will help.
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15:34<brunoramos>in fact I might have happened after the last upgrade of apt in sid ... but I'm not absolutely sure :/
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15:45<brunoramos>The warning disappeared after I changed my sources to use
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15:50<brunoramos>Now I re-enabled the Belgium mirror and the warning is not there anymore ... got not idea where the problem was coming from. Thank you for your help anyway :)
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16:17<Arjuna_>people advice to update ones system in single-user-mode. Is upgrading in multi-user-mode without X (including graphical login managers) any worse?
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16:18<cthuluh>I've never heard of that practice (ie. using single user mode)
16:19<ml|>same here
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16:20<Arjuna_>cthuluh, ml|: have you heard of the practice not to upgrade the system while X is running?
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16:21<ml|>yes, I quit X before doing any upgrades
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16:22<cthuluh>doing oldstable -> stable upgrades, perhaps, else I just don't bother
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16:25<Arjuna_>cthuluh, ml|: thanks
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>I haven't seen any need for that since Etch, but on marginal systems it could be faster.
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17:06<debacle>Hi, i've just now assembled a raid device. now i have /dev/md0 working. Can i run now mkfs dr do i have to crate a partition first ?
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17:27<tensorpudding_>i've got the source to a debian package here, but it has no debian/rules
17:28<tensorpudding_>i got the package via apt-get source
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17:28<tensorpudding_>so debuild is confused
17:28<tensorpudding_>how do i build the source package?
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17:29<blarson>tensorpudding_: what repository did you get it from? what package?
17:30<tensorpudding_>the debian directory has a plugins subdirectory with the usual stuff in it, but debuild doesn't seem to be interested
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17:31<tensorpudding_>because there isn't a debian/changelog file
17:32<blarson>,versions quodlibet-plugins
17:32<judd>Package quodlibet-plugins on i386 -- lenny: 20080601-1; squeeze: 1:2.2.1-1; sid: 1:2.3-1; wheezy: 1:2.3-1
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17:33<blarson>tensorpudding_: sounds like serious policy violations that should be reported, but you could email the maintainer if you aren't sure.
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17:35<tensorpudding_>lintian says taht it's clean
17:36<tensorpudding_>wait, this package is really old
17:36<tensorpudding_>what the heck
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17:38<tensorpudding_>the debian changelog last was changed in 2006
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17:39<tensorpudding_>apt-get source failed, and i was browsing an ancient svn checkout that happened to be in the same directory
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18:00<jhutchins_lt>tensorpudding_: that would explain the missing bits.
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18:04<tensorpudding_>it's strange though
18:04<tensorpudding_>it shouldn't have had a debian dir at all, since it wasn't packaged?
18:04<tensorpudding_>unless the upstream tarball came with it
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18:41<marioxcc>how may I resize a partition upwards disk?
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18:46<kingsley_>marioxcc: Try gparted and/or parted.
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18:48<streuner_>marioxcc: what FS?
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18:50<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys resize
18:51<dpkg>Factoid search of 'resize' by key (6): _default resize2fs ;; ext2resize ;; _default ntfs resize ;; resize2fs ;; ntfs resize ;; _default ext2resize.
18:51<marioxcc>I have already tried parted
18:51<streuner_>dpkg, resize2fs
18:51<dpkg>resize2fs is a filesystem resize utility for <ext2>/<ext3>/<ext4>, provided by the e2fsprogs package: man 8 resize2fs. Growing ext3/ext4 while online requires the resize_inode filesystem feature to be set (only possible during filesystem creation).
18:51<marioxcc>streuner_: i'm aware of the resize2fs program, however, its manual says:
18:52<marioxcc>When recreating the partition, make sure
18:52<marioxcc> you create it with the same starting disk cylinder as
18:52<marioxcc> before! Otherwise, the resize operation will certainly not
18:52<marioxcc> work, and you may lose your entire filesystem.
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18:53<marioxcc>so, unless I'm missing something, resize2fs can't handle a resize which moves the beginning of the filesystem
18:53<streuner_>marioxcc: well, just follow its suggestions?
18:53<streuner_>make a backup and resize then
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18:55<marioxcc>streuner_: that's the obvious method, I'm obviously asking for a way other than to make a backup and left it to luck
18:55<marioxcc>thanks you anyway :)
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18:57<Grape_>Hello. Im trying to setup nfs on my server. I want to connect the client to a nfs server on the same machine as the client at boot. Doesnt seem like it works with a /etc/fstab configuration. Can anyone help me getting it to work? The server takes incredible long time when im trying to connect with the /etc/fstab config
18:58<streuner_>marioxcc: what do you want then, a secure way or you dont care about your data at all?
18:58<marioxcc>streuner_: well, i'm not asking for something 'secure' because we all know software might have bugs and hardware too
18:59<marioxcc>i'm just asking for a procedure which don't contradicts what the manual says
18:59<marioxcc>and I think it says resize2fs can't move the beginning of the filesystem
18:59<marioxcc>which is what I want to do
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19:05<Grape_>Well another (maybe easier) question. I have a file that is 11GB is it possible to trim it down to only save the last 100mb of lines?
19:05<funkyHat>marioxcc: gparted will move the beginning of a partition for you. It will take a very long time though if you are moving the beginning to the right
19:06<marioxcc>funkyHat: I mean to a lower address
19:06<funkyHat>marioxcc: I think that will be quite quick
19:06<marioxcc>isn't gparted for gtk?
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19:06<marioxcc>parted refuses to work because of incompatible features
19:06<funkyHat>I don't know if it's just a straight interface for parted or not
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19:07<marioxcc>funkyHat: I think parted enforces an fsck before and after the operation
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19:07<marioxcc>I'd rather prefer to skip these
19:07<marioxcc>and the GUI don't seems to have an option
19:07<funkyHat>marioxcc: that doesn't seem sensible
19:08<funkyHat>fsck on ext4 should be pretty fast anyway?
19:08<marioxcc>funkyHat: well, usually, it is
19:08<marioxcc>most files there don't use extents
19:08<marioxcc>so it's not
19:09<marioxcc>(the filesystem has been upgraded from ext3)
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19:09<funkyHat>Well I would say it's still sensible to let it run the fsck. And still a lot faster than moving all to a different drive and repartitioning
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20:02<AuroraNites21>How do I get wine to install the my C drive?
20:02<AuroraNites21>It keeps installing to Drive Z ?
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20:24<keeldragger>debian or fedora?
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20:26<keeldragger>is debian superior to fedora?
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20:27<rgm1960>Hello, does anyone know if wheezy will use gnome3 by default?
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20:29<cygnus>rgm1960: That's what I've heard, but don't quote me on it
20:29<rgm1960>Thanks cygnus. I was hoping it wasn't so...
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20:30<cygnus>I'm saying it probably will be so
20:30<rgm1960>I agree
20:30<rgm1960>Do you like gnome3 cygnus?
20:30<cygnus>Ah, misread your comment :)
20:31<cygnus>I've only briefly played with it a few months ago and no I didn't like it, but I know it's under rapid development
20:31<cygnus>Could be a lot different in a year
20:31<rgm1960>Same here.
20:32<cygnus>People hated KDE 4 when that first came out but now they seem to like it. At least those people who like KDE in the first place
20:32<rgm1960>Did you notice keeldragger's question?
20:33<keeldragger>wasn't sure if my question was sent. looking for objective pro vs. con on debian vs. fedora.
20:33<cygnus>Yeah, it's so general as to be meaningless. Superior in what sense? I'm sure Fedora is better at some things and Debian at others
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20:34<rgm1960>I personally prefer Debian.
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20:34<keeldragger>community/stability/# of installations/drivers for commodity hardware, etc.
20:35<marioxcc><keeldragger> is debian superior to fedora? <- which kind of question is that?
20:35<marioxcc>if there was a single superior model for a GNU/Linux distribution there would be only one, following that model
20:35<keeldragger>I really like ubuntu but fedora-based distributions seemed to be better for enterprise
20:35<marioxcc>different distribution exists because of differing people's preferences
20:35<keeldragger>debian-based seem better for individuals
20:35<marioxcc>so that's a silly question
20:36<marioxcc>but, given we're in #debian, i think it's safe to say most of us prefer debian
20:36<rgm1960>A question is just that, a question...
20:37<keeldragger>i understand i might get a slanted view #debian... guess i wasn't expecting the 'that is a dumb question' response...
20:37<keeldragger>new to linux. sorry if that is a crime.
20:37<rgm1960>Don't sweat it bro
20:38<rgm1960>Everyone learns somewhere
20:38<keeldragger>probably i am one of few 12 year-olds trying to learn this stuff
20:39<rgm1960>Keep learning
20:39<rgm1960>Linux is fantastic
20:39<marioxcc>why does young people likes to say their age?
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20:39<cygnus>Well, the biggest / best / most dumbed down community support would definitely be for Ubuntu
20:39<marioxcc>does learning in an early age makes you feel superior?
20:40<rgm1960>Chill out bro
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20:40<keeldragger>why are old people threatened by kids? .... that is a dumb question :-) haha
20:41<cygnus>The most stable might be Debian or CentOS. Generally, the older a release is the stabler it is, but that has trade offs
20:42<rgm1960>Big reason as to why i use Debian
20:42<marioxcc>same here :)
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20:43<rgm1960>What do you think of GNU and FSF?
20:43<keeldragger>everyone tells me unity sucks. have a friend using mint and likes it. doesn't appear to have as much uptake.
20:44<cygnus>keeldragger: And that trade off goes with your third question, hardware support / drivers. The newer a release is, the more hardware it will support. Also keep in mind that Debian keeps proprietary binary blobs out on purpose, while, for example, Ubuntu and Linux Mint don't
20:44<marioxcc>also note Debian free software is somewhat different from GNU free software definition
20:45<cygnus>So again, there is no perfect solution. You can have old, stable and less hardware support, or new, less stable and better hardware support. There are trade offs and no distro is absolutely superior in every sense
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20:46<marioxcc>cygnus: hmm, it seems like you're implying a dichotomy
20:46<rgm1960>Hit the nail on the head
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20:47<keeldragger>my dad has a couple of old computers he will let me use... i may test drive a couple distributions rather than just start with one
20:47<cygnus>Life is full of trade offs
20:48<rgm1960>marioxcc: ever tried gnewsense?
20:48<marioxcc>rgm1960: no, I see no point in trying distributions
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20:49<rgm1960>I like to experiment, but always return to Debian.
20:49<keeldragger>my next dilemma is mongodb vs. cassandra. LOL
20:50<cygnus>keeldragger: It's nice to have so many choices, even if they are bit overwhelming at first. :) I stick to the "aptiverse", the Debian-based distros, although the Arch people are pretty fanatical about their distro, so maybe worth checking out. I don't particularly like unsigned packages, though
20:50<rgm1960>Good advice cygnus
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20:52<marioxcc>other than free software policy I see no real difference between distributions, so nowdays I limit myself to use debian, if it ever happens to not to met my needs then I will consider another option
20:52<rgm1960>Well, good night to all...:-)
20:52<marioxcc>i'm closing this too
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20:54<cygnus>Well, once you start using the command line (almost) exclusively, yeah, it's all Linux underneath, except for the package manager. Different distros really amount to different repos and default DEs / themes / installed apps, all of which you can change. So the real questions are: 1) what's the shortest path to my ideal setup, 2) how likely are these repos to break / support my system
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20:57<nevyn>cygnus: structures in /etc vary a bit
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20:59<keeldragger>leaning towards debian or a derivative, i guess... ubuntu or mint. doesn't sound like it matters too much.
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21:00<cygnus>nevyn: Yeah, like /etc/init vs /etc/rc.d , true true
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21:00<cygnus>keeldragger: Normally it wouldn't matter, but now there's Unity
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21:01<cygnus>Which, like Gnome 3, is probably a few release cycles away from being usable and likable by most people :)
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21:05<nevyn>some distro's use /opt or other odd fhs structures.
21:05<nevyn>cygnus: the way init works on suse is different
21:05<keeldragger>people i have talked to about unity hate it.... is that the general consensus?
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21:08<cygnus>keeldragger: I've heard mixed reviews. I personally didn't like it. But all that matters for you is whether you like it. You can burn a 11.04 (or 11.10 beta) live CD and test it out.
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21:11<cygnus>I used to be all about bleeding edge, but after 6+ years on Linux, I've learned that it's more trouble than it's worth. Unity might mature into an excellent DE in 2 years (like KDE did for its users), so I'll just wait
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21:12<cygnus>Same with Gnome 3
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21:17<tester>ok, now i am at my wits end an need help
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21:19<Bisonte>hi, i added the debian multimedia repos and installed some codecs
21:19<Bisonte>did upgraded some packages and now my dual monitor does not work properly
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21:19<tester>any one here with konledge on how to set up an properly execute a partitioning method to get AV to launch from the HDD?
21:19<Bisonte>both monitors have my eeepc resolution
21:20<Bisonte>tester, what is AV?
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21:21<tester>a really nice Linux distro that has a lot of goodies for those of us that do video an audio editing
21:21<tester>just a sec ill send link
21:21*plusspeed need good repositorys for debian . can someone help me?
21:21<MrFrood>Bisonte: debian multimedia has some video drivers packages, you probably needd to ddowngrade to the ebian versions and then lock them before using debian multimedia again
21:22<Bisonte>partition the drive by leaving has much swap size has your memory if you don't have much memory
21:22<cygnus>plusspeed: ?
21:22<Bisonte>MrFrood, ok, sound good
21:22<tester>AV Linux is a non-GPL custom shop modded and rodded Linux based Operating System built from a hand-picked selection of available tools including Debian/GNU Linux, the LXDE Desktop Environment and Remastersys. AV Linux is first and foremost a well-rounded OS suited for most common daily computer tasks and runs on most PC's and Intel Macs.
21:22<plusspeed>cygnus thanks
21:23<tester>its great but trying to install it is a real.....because they do not use the traditional method for installing
21:23<tester>you have to de every thing by hand
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21:24<gsimmons>tester: AV Linux is not supported here, their support forum is at
21:25<tester>ah ty
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21:27<plusspeed>cygnus, great website ! thanks help me a lot
21:28<cygnus>no problem, plusspeed
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21:31<plusspeed>cygnus, i need the wget key for every repository?
21:32<cygnus>plusspeed: Every repo is different
21:33<cygnus>I think that web site configures a sources.list with comments that tell you how to install the keys
21:34<cygnus>In each case
21:34<cygnus> uses the same key, for example, so there's nothing to add
21:35<plusspeed>i just saw that now
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22:05<user01>grrr how is it that installing iceweasel release prevents the gimp from printing? libcairo2?
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22:29*plus quanta or bluefish?
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22:38<MrFrood>user01: have you restarted gimp, quanta and bluefish since installing iceweasel release?
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22:39<user01>MrFrood, yes
22:39<user01>MrFrood, it looks like someone mentioned the bug when i google it
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22:40<user01>MrFrood, these are symptoms
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22:47<mattcen>Hi all. I'm trying to debug a problem with Samba, and am trying to determine which Git commit the Samba deb I'm using was pulled from. Is there a standard place where that should be mentioned in the deb source?
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22:57<user01>i think dpkg's info on ian murdock is out of date
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23:00<MrFrood>user01: so update it
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23:00<user01>man dpkg
23:00<user01>nothing :(
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23:03<MrFrood>user01: /msg dpkg infobot
23:04<MrFrood>user01: if I couldd manage to update a factoid (gopher) anyone should be able too :P
23:04<user01>ok let me see then
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23:07*plus i put debian and now my soundcard wasnt detected any helps?
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23:15<plus>my sound card doenst work
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23:15<plus>any help?
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23:33<plus>my sound card doenst work
23:33<plus>any help?
23:33<user01>So does my dpkg bot change get reviewed first?
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23:41<cygnus>plus: What's the output of: sudo lshw -C sound
23:41<cygnus>plus: paste it in
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23:47<plus>cygnus, i paste it now thanks
23:48<cygnus>And the url? :)
23:48<cygnus>I just want to see if your system is using a driver
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23:49<plus>im n00b in ldebian
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23:50<cygnus>plus: Do you have two soundcards?
23:51<cygnus>One of them is "unclaimed"
23:51<plus>im not sure
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23:51<plus>because i think that i have one internal
23:51<plus>and other where the jacks go into
23:52<plus>im using a laptop
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23:52<cygnus>Look at the output, there are two devices listed. One is RV710/730 which is using driver=HDA Intel. The other is SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA), which has no driver listed.
23:53<cygnus>so either you can switch devices or you need to find a driver for the Azalia
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23:56<cygnus>plus: go to Preferences -> Sound
23:56<cygnus>Then the "Hardware" tab
23:56<cygnus>Do you have two devices listed?
23:56<cygnus>System -> Preferences -> Sound
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