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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-09-17

---Logopened Sat Sep 17 00:00:07 2011
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00:00<jardiamj>hello! in my Thinkpad t420 I can't get the mute mic button to work
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00:04<jardiamj>hello! in my Thinkpad t420 I can't get the mute mic button to work
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00:46<shdu>vlc on debian play "friens" no sound
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01:17<jasonsmr>hello channel anyoneon?
01:17<jasonsmr>im getting error>> Starting system message bus: dbusFailed to start message bus: Failed to close "/var/run/dbus/pid": No space left on device
01:18<jasonsmr>and befor that > .udev/ already exists on the static /dev! ... (warning).
01:18<sney>what's the output of df -h
01:18<jasonsmr>the later is of course before that the initrd was self created or rootfs was fully populated in /dev
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01:19<sney>warnings can be ignored. what version of debian is this?
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01:21<jasonsmr>it is > debian squeeze
01:21<jasonsmr>2.6.32-5 kernel
01:22<jasonsmr>also happens only some times?
01:22<jasonsmr>last boot didnt have that
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01:22<jasonsmr>and posgresql errors too
01:22<jasonsmr>need more info myself to debuggg or to post proper issue /problems with it just ATM now
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01:35<jasonsmr>hello again channel, another question, How can I activate a network like the on in the install initrd.gz that debian provides in the download website
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01:36<jasonsmr>anyone used or is using a initrd from this website? and installed debian via netinstall method? Im seeing that my pc ether card was automaticaly detected and used with a correct setup?
01:37<jasonsmr>how can this be dione again with my own initrd, Meaning Question >> How can I duplicate the setup for my system
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01:44<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
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02:41*flyback blames canada for his buggy irc client that shot on a random network
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02:41<raylu>so i'd like to limit the throughput through one of my NICs. and idea how to do this?
02:42<amitz>outbound? inbound can't, but "hack" exists.
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02:43<amitz>you can use tc basically.
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02:44<Bushmills>raylu: check out, or look at the iproute tc utility
02:44<raylu>currently looking at tc
02:45<raylu>oh hey. "easy to use." i like, given that tc's manpage provides no examples :(
02:46<amitz>oh sorry, comment about inbound is somewhat inaccurate,long story.
02:47<raylu>actually, that seems to not be related to my problem..
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02:49<raylu>so i have a wheezy box with two NICs. one hooked up to a cable modem, dhcp. the other hooked up to a windows box. the linux box serves as a router
02:49<raylu>when i transfer a file between the two machines, i can easily push a GB of data at 1Gbps and everything is fine. when i download a file from the internet at 15Mbps, even downloading 300 MB of data makes the NIC hooked up to the windows machine die
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02:51<bones_was_here>raylu: i get a similar thing with recent kernels, when the internet connection is busy lan pings can be 300ms or more
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02:51<bones_was_here>does not happen with 2.6.31 but does with 2.6.37
02:51<raylu>i only went back to 2.6.32... hm
02:51<bones_was_here>have not tried 2.6.31
02:51<raylu>er, you mean .32?
02:52<bones_was_here>could be a problem in the config that has only shown up recently, idk yet
02:52<bones_was_here>yes :p
02:52<bones_was_here>might be worth asking #Netfilter on freenode
02:53<bones_was_here>i havnt got around to it yet
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02:59<CQ>hello, any backupninja users here? I have a .sh backup running, and would liek to get the complete output in the report mail... any ideas?
02:59<Bushmills>... mail yourself
03:00<CQ>Bushmills: problem is that the sh handler from backupninja calls teh script, I could just put that script in another one and have teh one calling it do that I guess
03:01<Bushmills>( commands; command; command ) | mail yourself in the script. or backupstuff() { command.... } , then backupstuff | mail yourself
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03:02<CQ>in bash you can pipe output from a function? cool, didn't know that!
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03:07<CQ>...but makes sense, a function is just like another command...
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03:10<x3464>hi folks!
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03:12<x3464>I have a new computer that I'm trying to install ubuntu 11.10 on along side Windows. Install works fine but when the computer reboots it goes str8 to windows without the grub menu. can anyone help?
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03:19<CQ>if theres no answer here, try on freenode in #ubuntu ...
03:19<blarson>CQ: he left
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03:27<thoidingjam>i cant install google chrome can anyone help?
03:27<thoidingjam>in 9.10 karmic
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03:34<Bushmills>in what?
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03:44<m0>Hello, I changed my SSH port to another port, and I have no idea how I did it. It is currently, set to port 12345 for SSHD, but Iam checking /etc/ssh/ssh_config, I see nothing there defined with Port 12345, any ideas how the SSH server on my debian box is running on 12345 ?
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03:44<Bushmills> /etc/ssh/sshd_conf
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03:45<m0>Bushmills: arr, thanks :(
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03:45<m0>Bushmills: I forgot that ack-grep didn't work, was spending time using ack-grep all this time. Should just switch back to grep
03:45<m0>thanks :)
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03:46<Bushmills>some folks keep logs of changes to system files
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05:18<raylu>how should i install the 2.6.31 kernel on my testing/wheezy system?
05:18<wols_>you shouldn't. why would you want this kernel?
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05:43<raylu>because someone reported a regression that i may be experiencing
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05:46<valdyn>raylu: and that regression persists from 2.6.32 through 3.0 ?
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05:47<victor_uva>where can I search the meaning of letters that appear when using "aptitude search"?
05:47<victor_uva>for example, if a package has an "i", it means that it is installed
05:47<victor_uva>but there are other letters too
05:47<user01>is there somene who evaluates changes to infobots?
05:47<valdyn>raylu: i=installed, p=purged ( same as not or never installed )
05:47<valdyn>victor_uva: ^^
05:48<victor_uva>valdyn: and v? I also have some packages with "i A". What does this A mean?
05:48<valdyn>victor_uva: A is automatic
05:49<valdyn>victor_uva: v is virtual
05:50<valdyn>victor_uva: packages flagged with an A may be removed when the non-A package that depends on it is removed
05:50<victor_uva>does A refer to packages that are installed as a dependency? for example, I installed stellarium typing "aptitude install stellarium"; stellarium has an "i", but stellarium-data has an "i A".
05:50<valdyn>victor_uva: correct
05:50<victor_uva>perfect, thanks :)
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05:51<raylu>valdyn: perhaps. it seems unlikely, but i'd like to check
05:52<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
05:53<valdyn>raylu: theres lower hanging targets you can check to find out about your issue
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05:58<raylu>i might have explored them
05:58<raylu>23:49:01 raylu> so i have a wheezy box with two NICs. one hooked up to a cable modem, dhcp. the other hooked up to a windows box. the linux box serves as a router
05:58<raylu>23:49:39 raylu> when i transfer a file between the two machines, i can easily push a GB of data at 1Gbps and everything is fine. when i download a file from the internet at 15Mbps, even downloading 300 MB of data makes the NIC hooked up to the windows
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05:58<raylu> machine die
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06:10<raylu>hm. ok, unsurprisingly, running the .31 kernel didn't fix it
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06:28<valdyn>raylu: go look how many interrupts your devices are creating
06:29<valdyn>raylu: s/creating/generating/
06:29<raylu>how do i do this?
06:29<valdyn>raylu: no offense, but how do you expect to be able to debug this...
06:29<valdyn>raylu: cat /proc/interrupts
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06:31<raylu>i was just trying to reproduce it under a variety of conditions.
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06:31<raylu>eth1 is the card that fails, but only when data is shoved through eth0 simultaneously. (eth0 is connected to the WAN, eth1 to the windows box)
06:33<valdyn>raylu: "fails" how?
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06:33<raylu>i am unable to ping the windows machine from the testing/wheezy one and vice versa. `ifdown eth1`, `ifup eth1` "fixes" it
06:35<raylu>it may also be worth mentioning that ethtool and mii-tool differ wildly on what they report
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06:36<valdyn>raylu: dont just say that, put such relevant information on a pastebin
06:37<valdyn>raylu: and put the outputs for "route -n" on a paste site too for known working and known broken situations
06:38<raylu>mii-tool, ethtool
06:38<raylu>things get even weirder when i try manually setting speeds, autonegotiation, advertising, etc.
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06:41<raylu>route: there's no change on a broken configuration (i just checked)
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06:42<valdyn>raylu: this routing table is fucked up
06:43<valdyn>raylu: no, nevermind
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06:44<valdyn>raylu: try: "route del default eth0; route add default eth0"
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06:46<valdyn>raylu: i got confused by the order in which routes are evaluated, so if this doesnt change anything, nevermind
06:46<raylu>valdyn: that didn't go so well.
06:46<raylu>yeah, the order that they appear in the table is supposedly irrelevant
06:46<valdyn>raylu: yea, still on top
06:47<valdyn>raylu: "route del default eth0; route add default gw"
06:47<raylu>that will also make no difference, won't it?
06:48<valdyn>raylu: no, that will just restore your settings
06:48<raylu>oh right. i've already done that (which is how i'm still speaking here :D)
06:48<valdyn>raylu: alright
06:49<valdyn>raylu: iptable -L is empty?
06:49<valdyn>raylu: iptables -L is empty?
06:49<raylu>not quite
06:49<valdyn>raylu: maybe you should empty that so we dont have to debug that too
06:50<raylu>it's just the NAT rule:
06:50<raylu>though i'm adding it on if-pre-up which i guess is how it got in there twice..
06:51<raylu>it's probably also worth noting that it takes about 5 seconds to print that one nat rule
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06:51<valdyn>raylu: it should be fast with -n
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06:53<raylu>oh, indeed.
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06:54<valdyn>raylu: run your tests and paste the outputs please
06:54<valdyn>raylu: i cant see if its already failing at the nameserver level or which commands are failing with what error exactly
06:54<valdyn>raylu: whatever you use to reproduce your actual issue
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06:55<raylu>well, currently, this is with everything working. you want me to paste iptables, mii/ethtool, route, interrupts with it broken?
06:55<valdyn>raylu: no, just the commands that are broken
06:58<raylu>well, basically, the windows machine loses all connectivity and you get something along the lines of
06:59<raylu>and /var/log/messages shows , though sometimes it doesn't mention that the links speed is undefined
06:59<raylu>though that corresponds with my bringing it down and then up, not the time of failure
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06:59<valdyn>raylu: i dont think we have a hardware error here, that message is ok
07:00<raylu>i agree
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07:01<valdyn>raylu: the "" is your debian box?
07:02<valdyn>raylu: remove your masquerading rules and retry
07:03<raylu>well, the way i break it is by downloading a large file from the internet. transferring many GBs of data from the linux machine to the windows machine doesn't do it
07:03<raylu>nor does downloading that file onto the linux machine
07:03<raylu>so i can't reproduce it without the NAT rule
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07:05<valdyn>raylu: so you mean downloading from the windows machine....
07:05<valdyn>raylu: downloading *to* the windows machine
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07:05<raylu>sorry, just realized that was rather inspecific
07:06<raylu>though uploading a large amount of data from the windows machine to the internet seems to do it too
07:07<dpkg>i heard masq is See: by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L
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07:09<raylu>so my rule is basically that with an additional -s also, i edited /etc/sysctl.cnf instead of setting ip_forward that way
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07:09<valdyn>raylu: yea
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07:17<valdyn>raylu: run "arp" instead of that ping
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07:22<valdyn>raylu: can you switch the interfaces?
07:23<valdyn>raylu: i mean swith lan and wan cable and the corresponding settings
07:23<raylu>oh, interesting
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07:24<valdyn>raylu: i think the error is in your switch or windows machine more likely than linux but i cant debug those
07:24<valdyn>raylu: so this would be one way...
07:24<raylu>i actually don't have a switch any more; took it out of the equation :P
07:24<raylu>but it is a good test to run. i'll be back in a few minutes with the results, hopefully
07:24<valdyn>raylu: ok, but you had the same behaviour when using a switch?
07:24<valdyn>raylu: alright
07:24<raylu>except the switch was 100Mbit and now i have 1Gbit connections :D
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07:35<Bisonte>how do I find the log for that last packages I installed?
07:35<Bisonte>dpkg log inside of /var/log?
07:35<dpkg>Bisonte: are you smoking crack?
07:36<Bisonte>just ol fart
07:36<Bisonte>I did use synaptic
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07:38<Bisonte>It's pretty amazing but I never had to look at the log in about 7 years of using linux ;)
07:38<Bisonte>at least, that I remember ;)
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07:39<Bisonte>but there is always more than one way to skin a cat
07:39<theocrite>Poor cat!
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07:40<Bisonte>I iwll install a package and see if the dpkg log updates that I am thinking about it synaptic might be the GUI for dpkg
07:40<petrol91>Hi, my friend bought domain and he wnat to use it with his debian server. There are dns severs He ask me for help, but i also dont know how do it. Can youn help me with conecting domain to VPS?
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07:42<Bisonte>petrol91, back in the days I bought domains name, the entity would have a remote software so I could glue the ip to the domain name
07:42<Bisonte>dns record, I believe
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07:44<raylu>hm, well. that didn't go so well
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07:44<valdyn>raylu: how ?
07:45<raylu>so i'm on comcast cable. the modem only recognizes one particular mac address (actually, the one of the windows machine). previously, i just set eth0 to that hwaddr. i swapped the configs in my /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted
07:45<raylu>at first, it seemed alright. eth1 had the right mac address. dhcp took much longer than usual, but it eventually got the right ip
07:45<ompaul>petrol91: two go get a HOWTO document for bind9 - and get the glue records pointing to your ip. Have fun.
07:45<raylu>unfortunately, i couldn't make outgoing connections from the linux box, though the windows box could connect to the linux one
07:46<valdyn>raylu: are you saying that between your windows machine and the debian machine 2 nics have the same MAC ?
07:46<raylu>no. on the windows machine i set the MAC address to some other value
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07:47<Erbureth>raylu: have you tried wireshark to see whats going on in the network?
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07:47<raylu>nothing happens in the network when i lose all connectivity. unless you mean right before?
07:48<Erbureth>like no packets at all?
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07:48<valdyn>raylu: this seems to confirm that somhow your eth1 device is broken..
07:49<raylu>time to buy a new one. i bought it recently enough that amazon will accept the return (until oct 9th or so, i believe)
07:49<valdyn>raylu: i would say it is broken as it fails to properly communicate with 2 devices now
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07:49<valdyn>raylu: but we dont really know if this is hardware or a driver bug yet
07:50<valdyn>raylu: everything higher level seems to be ok after all we've seen
07:50<valdyn>raylu: which driver is it?
07:50<raylu>i could just stick it in the windows machine...
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08:04*ompaul bzip2s nutterpc
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08:04<ompaul>get back in your box
08:05*nutterpc looks for his beer
08:07<nutterpc>wouldnt believe how much headache it is to sit and whitelist a whole shitload of IP's so u can use things like irc & msn
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08:12<nevyn>nutterpc: doing egress control is insane
08:12*nutterpc offers nevyn a beer
08:14*nevyn accepts the beer
08:14<Bisonte>nevyn, real crowd or in the network?
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08:14<nevyn>Bisonte: both
08:14<raylu>well, the card is broken, as far as i am concerned
08:14<wols_>nevyn: depends on the OS you run...
08:14<raylu>thanks for the help, everyone
08:15<nevyn>egress control is useless in the real world without mantraps or swing barrier gates and no other egress mechanism
08:15<Bisonte>my condolences, it will look good in your resume, though ;)
08:15<nutterpc>nevyn, i got a few friends who want me to set secure leech boxes up, lol
08:15<nevyn>but it also means you can't use the stairwells...
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08:17<Bisonte>ok, dumb head here figured out what everyone already knows: the log for installed packages is at /var/log/dpkg.log ;)
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08:20<Bisonte>now assuming that the often used term half-installed in dpkg log menas installation-in-progress
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08:39<ompaul>Flight FR666 dublin to bristol
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08:39<ompaul>or was that bermingham ...
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09:27<mix22891>good evneng
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09:27<mix22891>what is the ubuntu server please?
09:28<mix22891>how to past a msg'?
09:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:29<mix22891>thank you amphi
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09:31<mix22891>i can't connect to
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09:56<opalepatrick>Been ignoring it for a long time, but I finally need to get the sound/phone part of Skype working in squeeze. Any good resources to help by any chance?
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09:56<friggle>is there a realiable source of pre-built rootfs anywhere?
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09:57<friggle>I can't debootstrap on my system due to (I am in the right place, I'm after a Debian squeeze armel rootfs!)
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10:23<ant13>hi everyone, i'm in the process of installing debian on my mac and I noticed i need refit, i also saw its available in debian repos but the files the repo version installs and the files I'd get downloading it from sourceforge are different (.efi files are different checksum) does anyone know what the cause would be? hopefully I'm not in the wrong place
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10:31<MrFrood>ant13: I'd suggest a fisrt step would be check the debian changelog for the package in question
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10:31<saati>is this a good place to ask why is live-build broken?
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10:33<ant13>MrFrood: actually though shouldn't the sourceforge version change too if there was some big change? Also, maybe I messed it up but source archives seem to be the same, except for png's that debian one doesn't have
10:34<saati>so anyway, live-build dies in lb_build with cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/syslinux/themes/debian-squeeze/syslinux-live': No such file or directory
10:34<saati>does anyone have any idea why does this happen?
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10:34<saati>apart from it's not there which is true of course
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10:35<MrFrood>ant13: it's not unheard of for debian maintainers to add patches so the changelog would be a goodd first step
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10:36<ant13>MrFrood: having a look at it right now, thanks for the hint
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10:52<ant13>MrFrood: yep, looking at changelog and quickly at source it seems that the maintainer patched it massively, thank you again for your time/hint
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11:25<marioxcc>how may I create a raid array without superblock?
11:25<marioxcc>mohammad: what's the problem?
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11:26<mohammad>install lampp
11:26<marioxcc>is that related to my quesiton?
11:26<marioxcc>I think it's not
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11:28<wols_>mohammad: and what problem do you have with LAMP?
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11:30<wols_>marioxcc: why don't you want such a "superblock". and what kind of raid array is it?
11:30<marioxcc>wols_: linear
11:30<marioxcc>there is a full disk I want to append with another one
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11:31<marioxcc>given it's full, I understand the superblock will damage it
11:31<marioxcc>(full as in the filesystem uses it all)
11:31<wols_>marioxcc: what would be the point of a "linear" raid?
11:31<marioxcc>wols_: more space
11:31<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
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11:32<marioxcc>I'm aware of LVM, I don't think it's worth the bother to set it up
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11:32<wols_>but this kind of raid is? *g*
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11:33<marioxcc>wols_: it's not an actual RAID level, of course
11:33<marioxcc>not as defined in the original paper
11:33<marioxcc>to call it 'RAID' is just notation, of course
11:34<start>I have upgraded to squeeze, and now gnome stopped offering me to open documents with wine's ms-office
11:35<mohammad>i have problem whith eclips
11:35<start>anyone knows what is the difference between squeeze and lenny in that regard, and how to do a system wide fix?
11:36<mohammad>who install pakage c++ in eclips
11:36<marioxcc>start: so is your system "system wide brooken"?
11:36<start>marioxcc, yes
11:36<wols_>!tell mohammad about eclipse
11:36<mohammad>ide php and c++ and java ....
11:37<mohammad>Ide for
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11:37<wols_>we know what eclipse is. but you apparently don't know how to ask for help on irc. you don't tell us your actual problem so we cannot help you
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11:39<wols_>something along the way of I try to instal package X into eclipse and why I do this the way Y then I get error Z.
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11:42<mohammad>pas man chi
11:42<Esteban>debian rocks
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11:54<jhutchins_lt>start: You need to re-establish the ms office file association, possibly by re-installing it, or by using the "open with..." dialog and choosing to remember the program.
11:55<jhutchins_lt>start: That seems like very awkward way to handle things though, why not just use OpenOffice?
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11:57<start>jhutchins_lt, re-installing may help, doing manually is not an option, since it is multi-user system
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11:58<start>jhutchins_lt, why not just use openoffice - ... multi-user system, I think that it would be easier to fix that, than to face all the complaints
11:59<sney>openoffice calc isn't quite up to the challenge of lots of people's horrible excel macros. the switchover would not be as easy as some may think.
12:00<sney>start: though if you're doing a full dist upgrade on a production system you must enjoy punishment already
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12:00<sney>I don't think there was a wine upgrade from lenny to squeeze, though. wine in debian has been stuck at one version for a long time.
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12:01<jhutchins_lt>That's because while wine releases monthly (weekly?) updates, few are significant changes.
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12:03*MrFrood would love a bpo version of wine that was kept something approaching uptodate
12:03<valdyn>more likely because wine packaging in debian is in a bad state
12:05<saati>and you need the direct input patch anyway to use anything modern
12:05<saati>which was not in the debs when i last checked
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12:09<sney>that may not be dfsg-compliant
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12:11<saati>i think it's gpl like the rest of wine
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12:15<wols_>last I checked wine wasn't GPL
12:17<saati>yes, sorry lgpl
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12:51<tensorpudding>how can i automatically remove all the files that 'debuild' creates while making a package
12:51<tensorpudding>specifically, the .pc folder
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13:28<qwd>MrFrood: Wine 1.3.28 recently came to unstable, so maybe
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13:37<Erbureth>qwd: 1.3.28 in unstable? aptitude still says 1.1.34
13:37<Nik05>hello guys
13:38<Nik05>someone who can help me with gnome :P
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13:38<Nik05>where does gnome save its configuration of which program needs to be used when opening a file
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13:40<qwd>Erbureth: Oh sorry you're right, it's the package wine-unstable and that new version isn't in the repo yet it's an unofficial binary package.
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13:41<Erbureth>qwd: however that unofficial repo looks good :) finally having more current wine to run some games ^^
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13:45<MrFrood>qwd: thanks for the info
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13:56<darek>czesc wam mam pytanie dlaczego jak wlaczam film na pelnym ekranie to mi mnie automatycznie wylogowuje
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14:08<Erbureth>wols_: he is Polish
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14:23<fridim>Hi there.
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14:24<fridim>I'm running a preseeded squeeze installation (from PXE), but it fails. Is it possible to ignore the preseeded answer from inside the installation?
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15:21<spencer>so, is it possible to serve http requests over ssl for multiple domain names on a single ip address? i thought i got it working a while back however the next time i started the server up it wasn't working
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15:23<Erbureth>spencer: you need apache from debian squeeze and your clients whose browser supports SNI
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15:24<spencer>what's SNI?
15:24<cthuluh>Server Name Indication
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15:25<Erbureth>many modern ones do
15:25<cthuluh>or use subjectAltName / multiple CommonNames in your cert
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15:25<spencer>ok, thanks
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15:25<Erbureth>Firefox from version 3 afaik, chromium...
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15:26<cthuluh>more info here:
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15:26<Erbureth>i think only some older IEs and Konqueror <= 4.6 (i think they fixed it in 4.7)
15:26<Erbureth>don't support it ^
15:26<pde>Erbureth, spencer : unfortunately most Windows XP clients do not support SNI
15:26<pde>most browsers on Windows rely on the OS rather than implementing TLS themselves
15:26<jhutchins_lt>The setup instructions for Lenny imply that you can have different certificates for different named hosts.
15:27<pde>so it doesn't help if you have a modern IE or Safari, it's still not going to do SNI
15:28<Erbureth>jhutchins_lt: Lenny's Apache is too old, you need to use Squeeze's one
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15:29<pde>that leaves you needing multiple IPs, or certs that are compatible with all your hostnames
15:29<pde>has anyone else noticed a security upgrade just exploded network-manager-gnome in unstable?
15:30<jhutchins_lt>Erbureth: Which is why it's strange that the documentation implies that you must duplicate the TLS configuration for each named host.
15:31<Erbureth>jhutchins: it is confusing, i fell for it too :)
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15:34<spencer>so, bottom line: it's do-able but not a good idea if a lot of your visitors are using XP?
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15:35<Erbureth>spencer: true :) reminds me of IE6 times :)
15:35<Erbureth>spencer: well, only if they are using IE on XP
15:36<Erbureth>firefox and chrome support SNI even on XP
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15:37<spencer>so pde is incorrect?
15:38<Erbureth>spencer: pde is correct, as he stated, this is concerning browsers that use Windows TLS implementation
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15:39<Erbureth>spencer: see the wiki link
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15:40<spencer>will do, debugging dns right now :-)
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15:43<Arjuna_>is there any command line currency converter in the main archive?
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15:45<jhutchins_lt>spencer: The problem with the old system is that you only have one certificate per IP address, which means you can only match one hostname.
15:45<cthuluh>apt-cache tells me about keurocalc
15:45<cthuluh>Arjuna_: ^
15:45<jhutchins_lt>spencer: All the other hostnames will generate a warning that the certificate may be invalid.
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15:46<shem>is it possible to connect to quakenet with this client? i just installed this and ubuntu
15:46<jhutchins_lt>spencer: Of couse, if you use a self-signed certificate, they're going to generate warnings anyway, so for that case it hardly matters.
15:46<cthuluh>!ubuntu > shem
15:46<dpkg>> shem: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
15:46<Arjuna_>cthuluh: it's not cli
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15:46<shem>uhm yeah but i assume this program smuxi is the same in all distris?
15:47<cthuluh>Arjuna_: ah. didn't read properly your question
15:47<jhutchins_lt>shem: Nope.
15:47<jhutchins_lt>shem: Different ones configure things differently, even though it's the same package.
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15:48<shem>ok, well how can i get to freedone ?
15:49<spencer>is there a standard dns query tool for testing dns?
15:50<cthuluh>I guess dig is the most standard and complete tool for that
15:50<shem>how can i connect to freenode dpkg?
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15:51<cthuluh>spencer: (ok, perhaps not as standard as host(1) or nslookup(1), but far nicer)
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15:51<SynrG>shem: why are you asking on oftc?
15:52<shem>because i was connected here atuomaticly
15:52<shem>and i dont know where to go or what to do :(
15:52<SynrG>just /query dpkg
15:52<meebey>Server -> Quick Connect -> select freenode -> Connect aint that difficult
15:52<SynrG>dpkg lives on oftc too
15:52<dpkg>SynrG: wish i knew
15:52<cthuluh>shem: then read the documentation for your software
15:52<meebey>shem is also on #smuxi but preferes to ask on #debian...
15:53<shem>:O ok
15:53<jhutchins_lt>shem: Try /join #ubuntu - that works with most clients.
15:53<cthuluh>meebey: with #smuxi being on freenode, I guess?
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15:53<meebey>cthuluh: no its on oftc :)
15:53<jhutchins_lt>meebey: We're friendly.
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15:54<cthuluh>meebey: ah, right. 32 users vs. 4 users
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15:54<jhutchins_lt>I do wonder how/why a ubuntu irc client connected to by default.
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15:55<cthuluh>because the ubuntu packager didn't bother changing that?
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15:56<meebey>cthuluh: it has an ubuntu specific patch that suddenly was no longer applied and then released
15:56<meebey>and shem suffers from the "where is the application menu?" issue ubuntu has these days :/ see
15:57<meebey>but thats off-topic, but annoying nonetheless
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15:59<weedeater64>Is ktorrent the only client in squeeze with socks support ?
16:00<meebey>smuxi has socks proxy support but the version from squeeze-backports is needed for that
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16:01<meebey>er nvm, thats torrent not irc
16:01<weedeater64>hehe , I do stuff like that too.
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16:03<jhutchins_lt>meebey: Oh, that's the irc client. THe version just says "hybrid". Pretty poor quaity packaging I guess.
16:03<cthuluh>weedeater64: apt-cache search torrent socks also talks about fatrat. I suggest a web search for more results
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16:03<meebey>jhutchins_lt: what is hybrid?
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16:04<jhutchins_lt>meebey: /version returns hybrid-7.2.2+oftc1.6.8(STABLE). egIqKMZ6 TS6ow
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16:04<meebey>jhutchins_lt: thats the version of the IRC server
16:05<jhutchins_lt>meebey: D'Oh!
16:05<meebey>jhutchins_lt: /ctcp $nick VERSION
16:05<weedeater64>ah, I had 'client' as well in my search, and only got ktorrent back.
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16:07<wp>hi all. anyone know how to install the guest additions ISO for virtualbox on debian/
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16:08<meebey>jhutchins_lt, cthuluh: the good news is that the ubuntu package no longer joins #debian but #ubuntu instead, which the next ubuntu version will make use of
16:09<wp>cant seem to find virtualbox-guest-additions for v4 of virtualbox that's in squeeze-backports
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16:11<valdyn>judd: versions virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
16:11<judd>Package virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on i386 -- sid/non-free: 4.1.2-1; wheezy/non-free: 4.1.2-1
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16:12<valdyn>wp: its just an iso image, you can get it from sid or wheeze or
16:12<daddy>aww dumb stupid goofy ass room
16:12<daddy>its channel wow your so smart
16:13<amphi>whose so smart?
16:13<wp>valdyn: how come it's not in squeeze-backports alongside virtualbox-ose?
16:13<valdyn>wp: i dont know
16:14<wp>Ah OK.
16:14<daddy>some dumb ass
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16:14<valdyn>judd: versions virtualbox-guest-additions
16:14<judd>Package virtualbox-guest-additions on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 3.2.10-1; sid/non-free: 4.1.2-1; wheezy/non-free: 4.1.2-1
16:15<daddy>huge fuck tards here
16:15<wp>do i need to install the guest additions on the host. can i not install the software on the guest via a package instead? does this exist?
16:15<valdyn>!ops see daddy's backlog
16:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: see daddy's backlog
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16:18<weedeater64>!beer Ganneff
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16:24<daddy>hey bitches
16:25<daemonkeeper>Ganneff removed the ban too early.
16:26<daddy>gay user
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16:29<wols_>it's nice if you can count on the idiocy of the trolls
16:31<Praxis>The radeon driver is a complete disaster on my testing ATI Fusion e-350 card, all kinds of problems (no virtual terminals, zero 3D support for things like compiz, occasional freezes, high X CPU usage, lousy performance, inability to log off without scrambling my display until I reboot, etc.). I think it is properly installed (should be in the kernel, I have relevant firmware).
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16:32<Praxis>I guess I have 2 questions: 1. Where should I bug-report my problems? Debian radeon driver? Kernel?
16:33<wp>i've downloaded the virtual box guest additions ISO. should i put it in /usr/share/virtual or /usr/lib/virtualbox? where does debian usually put it?
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16:35<Praxis>2. I realize that this is newish hardware, maybe I should install the fglrx driver. I've tried sgfxi and it failed. Should I use the Squeeze section for the ATIProprietary wiki? There is nothing for testing.
16:35<spencer>how do i kill all my routes using route?
16:35<daemonkeeper>spencer: The lazy method is to shutdown the related interface.
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16:42<wols_>Praxis: the radeon driver package. xserver-xorg-video-ati
16:42<somicuthbert>hi all
16:43<wols_>Praxis: yes you should. and after you used sgfxi all bets are off, you might already have broken your debian
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16:43<Praxis>I have the latest version installed: Installed: 1:6.14.2-1
16:43<wols_>spencer: man route. the route del stuff is the interesting one for you
16:43<somicuthbert> i have download debian operating system and try create an image to be bootable in a dvd
16:43<wols_>,versions xserver-xorg-video-ati
16:43<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-ati on i386 -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:6.14.2-1; sid: 1:6.14.2-2
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16:44<wols_>!tell somicuthbert about live dvd
16:44<spencer>i have this routing problem where the default routing table is " * U 0 0 0 eth0" and when i enter "route add gw eth0" it adds " UGH 0 0 0 eth0" to the routing table... routing to the internet is not working but i can access the router... i'm thinking that there should be a "default" in the routing table and it's not there
16:44<wols_>!tell somicuthbert about debian live
16:44<wols_>spencer: how do you set up your network?
16:45<Praxis>I hadn't heard sgfxi was dangerous. But I was having problems before using it or I wouldn't have bothered with fglrx.
16:45<somicuthbert>but wha am iasking is could that bootable dvd be used as live cd
16:45<spencer>wols: can you clarify? the debian system has a static ip address
16:45<wols_>Praxis: all those cool tools to install proprietary drivers are simply: shit. and they usually break debian in new and creative ways
16:45<wols_>spencer: you assign this IP how?
16:46<Praxis>So <wols_> "Praxis: yes you should" refers to using the squeeze method of installing fglrx from the wiki?
16:46<wols_>somicuthbert: yes
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16:46<wols_>Praxis: yes it does. hasn't really changed
16:46<Praxis>I'll give it a throw.
16:46<wols_>!tell Praxis about fglrx dkms
16:46<somicuthbert>am try too boot but it doesnt gave me an option to use it as live cd
16:46<wols_>Praxis: that's the short version what dpkg just messaged you
16:46<spencer>wols: i assign the ip address on the router and tell the debian system to use it
16:46<wols_>somicuthbert: what did you actually do?
16:47<wols_>spencer: so you use dhcp?
16:47<wols_>spencer: what program(s) do you use to set up your network interface on your debian?
16:48<somicuthbert>mine am new in debian and before installation i want to see it interface how it look like
16:48<spencer>wols: i don't use dhcp... i manually set ip info with network-manager
16:48<valdyn>somicuthbert: it doesnt look one way
16:48<wols_>somicuthbert: then download a debian live cd iso.
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16:48<somicuthbert>thats why i want to use first as a live dvd
16:48<wols_>somicuthbert: and debian has no default desktop like other distros. debian likes to give you choices
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16:49<wols_>spencer: then I guess you set it up wrong and didn't give a default gw or such. I suggest you edit your /etc/network/interfaces instead of using network manager
16:49<wols_>spencer: man interfaces
16:50<Praxis>OK, it seems to have installed, wols, so far, so good, I have dkms & fglrx-driver 1:11-8-2, time to go to INIT 3 (probably by rebooting since I'm having trouble with virtual terminals) and doing the rest. I don't have to purge or remove the radeon driver or use any boot options?
16:50<weedeater64>some might say that gnome is the default desktop
16:50<dpkg>Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
16:51<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. #ati on
16:51<wols_>Praxis: you have to edit your xorg.conf properly
16:51<wols_>!tell Praxis about msg the bot
16:51<valdyn>Praxis: you can also /msg dpkg
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16:52<somicuthbert>wols i have download now this copy of dvd with 4.3GB
16:52<Praxis>I figure the 'aticonfig --initial' will do that once I drop to init 3 and back up my xorg.conf, wols
16:53<wols_>somicuthbert: then burn the image. as image
16:53<Praxis>I don't know what KMS is, really, do I have to worry about stopping it?
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16:55<somicuthbert>wols yes i done it through ashampoo burning studio
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16:56<somicuthbert>when i restart it book fresh without any problem
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16:57<somicuthbert>it boot not book
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16:57<somicuthbert>soory please i mean it boot not
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16:58<valdyn>somicuthbert: the debian cds are not usable as live cd
16:58<wols_>somicuthbert: when you put in the dvd and look at its contents. what files do you see there?
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16:59<somicuthbert>it boot fresh but i need to see its interface before installation to the harddrive
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16:59<valdyn>somicuthbert: thats not possible with that dvd
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16:59<valdyn>!debian live
16:59<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
16:59<wols_>somicuthbert: what file did you download? please give us the URL to that file
17:00<somicuthbert>valdyn thanks i didnt knew that
17:00<wols_>somicuthbert: I made dpkg message you this not long ago. please read the stuff people send you
17:00<somicuthbert>okay wait am give you the link
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17:02<somicuthbert>what does dpkg mean
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17:04<Arjuna_>somicuthbert: type: /msg dpkg dpkg
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17:05<spencer>ok wols, you were right, thanks
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17:06<somicuthbert>wols the link is this one if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:06<somicuthbert><somicuthbert> hey
17:06<somicuthbert><dpkg> niihau
17:06<somicuthbert><somicuthbert> english please
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17:12<somicuthbert>wols the linl is this one
17:13<wols_>somicuthbert: as valdyn said, this is not a live CD. you want something from
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17:16<somicuthbert>but i have create an image and become bootable as it can startup booting process when i boot from cd/dvd
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17:22<flyback> i need to do some cleaning outside so it can dry
17:23*flyback bbl
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17:23<somicuthbert>have gunyt guyss
17:24<somicuthbert>have a gudnyt guys
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17:27<victor_uva>hi; some days ago I asked here a question about my AMD HD Radeon card; 3D acceleration didn't work with free drivers (they did with fglrx); although I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, it still didn't work (for example, Stellarium was very slow and didn't show the words correctly)
17:27<victor_uva>I left Debian for a few days to relax; now I came back and finally my card is working
17:28<victor_uva>the problem was that the version of xserver-xorg-video-ati in Debian Squeeze was too old for this card model (AMD HD Radeon 6370M)
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17:29<victor_uva>there is a new version in Debian Backports for xserver-xorg-video-ati, I did "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-ati libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx" and this card is working as good as with fglrx
17:29<victor_uva>this problem is solved for me, but I wanted to share it with you, after having asked here so many times
17:32<devil>victor_uva: fglrx is a pita and that will not change
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17:33<devil>as is nvidias proprietary driver
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17:35<victor_uva>devil: yes, it was not easy for me to install, although at the end worked moreless (except a few things); I was trying to make my card work with the free drivers, and there was no way; it was curious that finally a simply backport was sufficient
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17:36<devil>victor_uva: in stable that might work for a while, in unstable these drivers are unusable most of the time
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17:36<victor_uva>devil: are you referring to fglrx or to the free driver?
17:37<devil>victor_uva: to fglrx and its nvidia pendant
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17:37<victor_uva>I thought to use the free driver in backports after seeing that ubuntu uses now a more recent free driver than in squeeze and my card worked in ubuntu without doing anything
17:39<devil>radeon and nouveau are catching up, but its gonna take time for full 3d coverage, if ever
17:39<victor_uva>devil: in fact, after installing fglrx I had a watermark at the right bottom of the screen with the text "AMD Not Supported Card"; I had to use a script that I found on the Internet
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17:54<PsySc0rpi0n>Need some help
17:55<PsySc0rpi0n>Anyone who can give me a hand?
17:55<wols_>!tell PsySc0rpi0n about ask
17:55*tnnnS gives PsySc0rpi0n one of his spare hands
17:55<PsySc0rpi0n>Well, i'm trying to compile some programs via svn but i'm having issues on make command
17:56<PsySc0rpi0n>I'm downloading libtorrent via svn
17:56<PsySc0rpi0n>them i perform
17:56<PsySc0rpi0n>then make
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17:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
17:57<bzed>PsySc0rpi0n: and why are you doing that?
17:57<PsySc0rpi0n>but in mkae i get this
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17:57<PsySc0rpi0n>I'm configuring a dedicated server
17:57<bzed>PsySc0rpi0n: and why don't you install packages?
17:58<PsySc0rpi0n>And i need libtorrent, xmlrpc-c with --disable-cplusplus and rtorrent with --with-xmlrpc-c
17:58<wols_>bzed: sns
17:59<PsySc0rpi0n>i don't know how to enable this options via packages
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17:59<PsySc0rpi0n>does anyone knows why do i get those errors?
17:59<PsySc0rpi0n>2 weeks ago i followed the same steps and everything went smoothly
17:59<PsySc0rpi0n>installing 2 other dedicated servers
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18:00<bzed>wols_: sns?
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18:01<ml|>dpkg: sns
18:01<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
18:02<bzed>aaah ;)
18:02<bzed>PsySc0rpi0n: so again, why do you need these options?
18:02<bzed>PsySc0rpi0n: or why do the packages provided by debian not work for you?
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18:05<PsySc0rpi0n>because rtorrent is to be used along with rutorrent and i need those options
18:06<PsySc0rpi0n>And besides that, some options i need in rtorrent configuration files need those too
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18:06<bzed>PsySc0rpi0n: you want to modify the packages then instead of making a mess in /usr/local
18:06<bzed>apt-get source package
18:07<bzed>and then edit debian/rules for example
18:07<bzed>or use stow at least to manage /usr/local
18:07<weedeater64>hehe, dpkg ur killn' me
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18:07<bzed>why your build fails - no idea, your paste doesn't even show all error lines.
18:07<bzed>PsySc0rpi0n: ^
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18:10<tnnnS>looks like some compiler bug - most likely the code is buggy or incorrect libraries are used
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18:13<tnnnS>the header file that the compiler is complaining about seems be troublesome:
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18:40<lluvia>I must have a problem in sources.list
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18:40<lluvia>apt-get update give me problems
18:40<lluvia># squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
18:40<lluvia>deb squeeze-updates main
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18:41<lluvia>is it ok?
18:42<matematiko>Hello all...Can I get some help with the X window system please?
18:42<daemonkeeper>lluvia: There is no volatile anymore
18:43<dvs>lluvia: is that all you have?
18:43<lluvia>no, I have more
18:43<dvs>lluvia: well, that line is correct
18:43<lluvia>deb squeeze main
18:43<lluvia>deb squeeze/updates main
18:43<daemonkeeper>Don't paste it. Paste to a pastebin and give your actual error
18:44<dvs>lluvia: Those three lines are fine
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18:45<lluvia>how can I obtain apt-get messages at english from reporting them?
18:45<tnnnS>matematiko: I guess you should ask your question... or you will be hit with !ask or something simillar :)
18:46<dvs>lluvia: LANG=C ?
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18:46<matematiko>oh ok
18:47<matematiko>thx tnnnS
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18:47<ml|>dpkg: localized errors
18:47<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
18:48<matematiko>I am running a configure script but get this error:xboard requires the X Window System header files and libraries!
18:48<matematiko>They were not found on your system. See FAQ topic C.2.
18:49<matematiko>kib I do not even know what I have...looks like XORG
18:49<urbec>matematiko: xorg-dev?
18:50<matematiko>like I said.. I do not kn ow what I have....this is the latest release
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18:50<lluvia>this is my problem when updating
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18:52<tnnnS>matematiko: Did you check the FAQ? :)
18:53<lluvia>(I just removed volatile line of sources.list)
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18:54<matematiko>urbec..I understand now..I am installing xorg-dev now...let's see
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18:55<matematiko>urbec....that did the trick, thank you very much
18:55<lluvia>nandows: why did you cited my log error in pastebin?
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18:56<anbe>lluvia, looks like does not include mipsel, so try a different mirror
18:56<matematiko>tnnnS Yes I did lots of research.....I hade come long ways since I just installed linux debisan easy to get lost in FAQ
18:57<matematiko>I am gone, thank you all
18:57<lluvia>anbe, but it worked before. Maybe they have changed something
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18:59<ShanaLover>Hello, any chance for tech support, seeing as I didn't get a reply on forums for few days?
19:00<lluvia>it worked fine with
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19:02<anbe>!tell ShanaLover about ask
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19:03<ShanaLover>alright thanks anbe
19:04<ShanaLover>here goes. I have a problem with plugging in USB headphones. Every time I do, modprobe process spikes to 100% CPU usage and the system freezes or as I suspect, grind to a halt really quickly
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19:04<ShanaLover>I have tried various things and outlined them here
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19:07<tnnnS>ShanaLover: appears to be x crash - did you check xorg log after 'hard' reboot?
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19:07<ShanaLover>tnnnS: how can I check that?
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19:08<tnnnS>ShanaLover: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (root access might be required)
19:08<riley_>hey- how do i make a text message show anytime a user logs into a machine?
19:09<riley_>like a motd?
19:09<riley_>but for just one user
19:09<riley_>like, anytime user foobar logs in:
19:09<riley_>it emails me and write a text message to his screen
19:09<anbe>ShanaLover, do you have another computer available so that you can log into the X61 remotely via ssh?
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19:11<ShanaLover>Not that I could use right now, only other box at home is a family desktop running XP and I'd rather not impose on the household members at 10 minutes past midnight
19:12<ShanaLover>I just realised that my last reboot was initiated by myself when I went to buy some hardware today, should I make the problem occur before I read the log again or does the log contain information from more than one reboot
19:13<anbe>ShanaLover, after the fresh install while the headphones were still "working" - could you boot the machine while they were plugged in?
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19:14<ShanaLover>Yes, everything worked fine until some time later after a fresh install. I suspect that maybe an update is breaking something but I couldn't tell as the machine stays on for days at a time and I didn't use headphones that often so am unable to exactly say what might have caused the problem
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19:19<user01_>hi are there any fixes for the libcairo2 bug that prevents gimp printing?
19:20<user01_>libcairo2 is installed if you install iceweasel release backport apparently
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19:21<anbe>ShanaLover, what happens if you login at the console, stop X (by stopping gdm3/gdm/kdm/xdm/...), and plug it in? 'dmesg | tail' should show some information about the usb device just plugged in, if the machine lock up in that situation, too, it seems to be a kernel issue, not an X issue
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19:26<ShanaLover>as I explained to tnnnS who is trying to help me in private, I lose control pretty much the second I plug the headphones in
19:26<ShanaLover>I could maybe try and squeeze one command in though
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19:27<ShanaLover>I will try it and be back soon as it will surely result in a freeze
19:27<tnnnS>ShanaLover: They yes, x is not to be blamed then
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19:34<ShanaLover>Okay, back
19:35<tnnnS>Did it hang then?
19:35<ShanaLover>here is dmsg | tail I managed to JUST get after plugging it in
19:35<ShanaLover>What is strange though is the following
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19:35<ShanaLover>The BUG: soft lockup came up after I unplugged the headphones
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19:36<ShanaLover>What might also be worth noting is that the indicator LED on the headphones itself did not go on after trying to plug them in again after unplugging (so after the BUG message)
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19:38<ShanaLover>X log: X log.old:
19:38<ShanaLover>Not sure what other info I can provide
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19:43<anbe>ShanaLover, seems to be something with the kernel driver for your device. You could try a newer kernel from squeeze-backports, eventually it's fixed there.
19:44<ShanaLover>Any possibility that you could indicate how to do that?
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19:46<ShanaLover>Well, I found instructions on how to add the backports to sources list but how do I go about upgrading the kernel itself?
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19:51<zaq>I cannot seem to see wifi using firmware-iwlwifi package in squeeze. Had it working in wheezy though
19:51<anbe>ShanaLover, you'll just need to install the updated linux-image-<version>-<flavor> package using your favorite package manager
19:52<ShanaLover>I see, thanks
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19:55<zaq>can aynone offer suggestions for troubleshooting wifi? been through many docs, wikis, using iwconfig, etc etc
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19:55<mentor>zaq: What exactly is the problem?
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19:56<zaq>I'm not seeing any wifi networks in my tray icon
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19:56<ShanaLover>I have a networking problem as well but I want to solve this first
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19:57<zaq>mentor: wlan0 has no signal or packet activity
19:57<mentor>The rf kill switch is on
19:58<zaq>mentor: nope rfswitch is on, unless there's a software switch
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20:00<zaq>mentor: I'm puzzled because it works in Wheezy, but not Squeeze (stable)
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20:02<dvs>zaq: use a backported kernel?
20:03<tnnnS>zaq: Wheezy has much newer kernel
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20:05<zaq>dvs: I could upgrade to wheezy for kernel 3.x, but i want to stay in stable, because Evolution mail went down for like 3 days last week, until it got bug fixed
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20:06<zaq>squeeze has all the components needed, but for some reason, I can't make it wotl
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20:07<dvs>!tell zaq about backports
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20:09<shanachan>It worked!
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20:09<shanachan>Just dropping by to thank anbe and tnnnS for help.
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20:09<zaq>dvs: i guess i'll give a backported kernel a try thnx
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20:33<serhyi>hey guys! is anyone of you familiar w/ mail servers? I installed imap/smtp/postfix/mysql system.. and now I try to test if it works ok before I move on.. so I'm trying to connect with it through telnet. telnet localhost on the server works, but telnet mysite.mydomain doesn't work so I assume something is not letting the signal through.. do you have any ideas of what I could check?
20:35<anbe>serhyi, firewall config?
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20:35<jasonsmr>hello debian fantastic channel
20:36<jasonsmr>anyone use uboot to boot debian?
20:36<jasonsmr>I cant find a good walkthrough
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20:36<serhyi>anbe, sorry just found a problem.. silly as always.. port forwarding.. :) thanks anyways
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21:12<aussa>hi, why am I getting this error: Startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap... failed! ?
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21:26<Flechmen>Hey, how could I get a hold of the debian source code?
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21:31<Black_Prince>Debian source code? You mean source of some package?
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21:33<aussa>hi, why am I getting this error: Startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap... failed! ?
21:33<Flechmen>Yeah, like the kernel and base packages. I'm looking to make a derivative distro for an ARM device
21:34<Black_Prince>Flechmen, well you can always access source through ... Just specify what you want ..
21:35<Black_Prince>Also, source is available via git, svn and whatever ...
21:35<Flechmen>Ok.. For future reference, is there a way to work on a derivative and then mak an install ISO for it? I'm quite new to all of this
21:35<kop>Flechmen: You might be better served by using debian's armel binaries, or using emdebian. Of course you're free to do as you like.
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21:36<kop>Flechmen: If you want to do something special you could, e.g., start an offical debian sub-project.
21:36<Flechmen>Yea, I wanna slim it down as much as possible, only include drivers for my hardware, etc.
21:36<kop>Flechmen: That's exactly what emdebian does.
21:36<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. #emdebian on
21:38<Flechmen>Thank you :)
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21:44<jasonsmr>I was attempting to install debwrt which uses emdebian
21:45<jasonsmr>I have suceeded in installing debian for my devices arch to a qemu hard drive that is readable micro drive by the embeded device.
21:46<jasonsmr>however, how do I make a boot loader of debootstrap from the devices nvram? or flash (inorder to boot from the pointed device ) the micro drive
21:46<jasonsmr>The micro drive is not the default boot device
21:47<jasonsmr>some dugesstions I have read or witnessed are a pivot root, which meand that I need something like openwrt on the device, or a Uboot whhich I havent seen any good explanations
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21:52<kop>jasonsmr: You probably want uboot, but I don't know anything about it. You might try the #emdebian channel.
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21:58<jasonsmr>kop, thanks
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22:17<Flechmen>hey, kop, I was talking to th friend of mine that's working on this, and he's wantin to do somthing from the ground up based on debian. Instead of doing emdebian
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22:18<jasonsmr>kop,,, no-bodys-on that channel I left a long set of messages , and ended up saying I'd leave the channel open all day just if*
22:18<Flechmen>kop, so, the kernel source would be a place to start with that
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22:22<jhutchins_lt>jasonsmr: Remember it's about 3:20 AM in western europe right now.
22:23<jhutchins_lt>jasonsmr: Further east they're just having coffee, and probably not quite ready for IRC.
22:24<jasonsmr>I just finished mine , maybe Im a bit uptight about getting help while I can, im far east
22:24<jhutchins_lt>Most of the US is heading for whatever happens on Saturday Night, which probably isn't irc...
22:24<jasonsmr>that funny
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22:25<jasonsmr>thanks for the reminder
22:26<jhutchins_lt>Seeing your actual question over on freenode, you're probaby going to have to find forums and mailing lists anyway.
22:26<jhutchins_lt>Trying to find enough people with experience on that on irc and awake at the same time is going to be tough.
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22:29<RaineGalanti>hi, when I use sasl-sample-server/client to test my sasl GSSAPI/ldap configure, it complains "Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm". However my kinit/klist work very smoothly. Anyone can give me some hints ?
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22:37<jasonsmr><jhutchins_lt> yea ill post to emdebian and the debian mailing list, any ones in particular that you would have in advice mind/
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22:47<bones_was_here>RaineGalanti: iirc you need libsasl2-2 installed
22:48<bones_was_here>and libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit
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22:48<bones_was_here>(assuming your'e running mit kerberos not heimdal)
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22:49<bones_was_here>do you have the dns entries for autodiscovery of your KDC?
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22:50<RaineGalanti>bones_was_here, hi, I have installed libsasl2-2, libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit and sasl2-bin
22:50<RaineGalanti>and kinit/klist works well
22:51<bones_was_here>you shouldnt need sasl2-bin
22:51<bones_was_here>not for kerberized ldap anyway
22:51<bones_was_here>so if you run ldapwhoami it says it can't contact the KDC?
22:51<RaineGalanti>hold on
22:53<RaineGalanti>ok, it cannot find ldap server
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22:53<RaineGalanti>I am figuring out
22:53<bones_was_here>is it configured in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf ?
22:53<bones_was_here>(on the client)
22:53<RaineGalanti>it used to work
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22:55<RaineGalanti>thanks for the hints, will figure out the ldap issue first and back later
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23:16<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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23:28<Hospes>Hey, I've got a bit of a problem with GRUB after a Debian install, anyone got a minute to help me?
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23:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
23:31<Hospes>right, you got me there.
23:31<Hospes>here goes.
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23:34<Hospes>I've installed Debian (I believe it was the latest package, used Unetbootin to do it from a USB stick). Installed it as the only OS over an old Mint install (disc formatted beforehand). After reboot, GRUBs loader indicated "No such partition.". I rebooted and chose to boot from the USB with the Debian install on it, at which point it booted into Debian. I've configured that USB back into being a Mint Distro because I like to use it on the move,
23:34<Hospes>however on rebooting the PC, I ended up with an identical "no such partition" error
23:34<Hospes>Wut do?
23:35<sney>sounds like grub was configured wrong. did you have your usb stick inserted during the whole install?
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23:36<Hospes>I preformed a guided install, largest continuous free space
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23:36<sney>some motherboards always set usb drives as the 'first' disk device, and since debian sees everything from usb drives to sata to scsi as a /dev/sd* device, this makes your usb drive /dev/sda. you most likely installed grub to the root of /dev/sda thinking it was your hard drive, but it wasn't
23:36<Hospes>Any way I can fix grub without having to reinstall Debian?
23:37<sney>sure, boot any rescue disc that has chroot (your mint usb stick will probably do the job), mount your debian install and chroot into it, check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ to make sure settings are kosher, then run update-grub
23:38<seeS>you can boot in rescue mode and then attempt to fool grub into working. its not simple but ive done it many times
23:38<Hospes>No, that's not the case, gparted (through this mint distro) shows the proper partition as having a /boot label
23:38<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
23:38<sney>partition labels and grub presence are two completely unrelated things
23:39<Hospes>err, 'boot' flag even
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23:39<Hospes>hm, this is strange.
23:40<Hospes>gparted shows /dev/sda1 as being an extended partition with /dev/sda5 as the boot partition, could that be causing the problem?
23:43<sney>that does seem kinda weird but I thought you installed all of debian to a single partition ... largest contiguous free space
23:44<Hospes>I did.
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23:44<Hospes>seems it's split up /home
23:45<sney>you've probably got bits of your previous mint install on there.
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23:47<sney>if all you did was reformat and not delete the partition table, then whatever partitioning scheme that existed prior to your debian install is still there
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23:47<Hospes>I deleted the partition table, though
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23:49<Hospes>Okay, it might be because it's 5 am, but this isn't making sense anymore, could you walk me through trying to fix grub, please?
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23:50<mshuler>Hospes: 22:38 < dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> simply...
23:50<Hospes>I saw that, but I'm not understanding, sadly.
23:51<mshuler>not sure how to be more clear than that help from dpkg - the step-by-step commands are in parentheses
23:52<Hospes>I currently feel like an idiot given a way too complicated toy.
23:54<haru3>You can make a boot usb or cd by going to on a spare computer.
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23:55<haru3>then run sudo update-grub in terminal
23:55<Hospes>Haru3: I've got a boot USB, running off of one
23:56<Hospes>hey, it's working
23:57<haru3>Super grub lets you boot to the partitions on your harddrive. I hope that helps Hospes.
23:57<Hospes>thanks haru3
23:59<haru3>Your welcome. :) That's happened to me on a number of occasions. Try expanding or shrinking your partitions. You'll find yourself in a similar pickle.
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