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---Logopened Tue Sep 27 00:00:27 2011
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00:11<weedeater64>Will running the installer from the lxde live , be the same as the netinst ?
00:13<sney>I don't think it's quite the same installer, but it still installs a normal debian system
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00:14<weedeater64>I want a minimal, eg.. uncheck everthing but standard.
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00:28<aussa>can I install debian squeeze from a usb drive without having internet connection? I mean can I have one of those "cd installation" to boot from a usb flash?
00:29<anony>aussa: Yes you can.
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00:30<aussa>anony, ok ty
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00:34<mangan88>Hello, I'm getting issues starting a service, new install of Debian. Bash returns "start: command not found." I'm very new, is this the channel for help, or can someone direct me to the correct place?
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00:37<sney>the command you're probably looking for is 'service servicename start'
00:37<anony>mangan88: This is the right place, my guess is you need to sudo or give your user permissions.
00:39<mangan88>I get the same error with that command as well. To provide more info, the same problem appears when run as root. Also, 'which start' and 'whereis start' provide no values. After some googling I found some tips to check my PATH, which matches the default values
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00:41<anony>mangan88: Lets keep it in the channel, someone/group will know more than I do.
00:42<anony>mangan88: What exactly are you trying to do?
00:43<mangan88>anony: I'm trying to start service "plexmediaserver" after installing from a .deb
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00:44<mangan88>Sney: I should clarify. When I run 'service plexmediaserver start' I get 'bash: service: command not found'
00:44<anony>lolz @ dpkg
00:46<mangan88>I'm getting confused with myself. In this case, I didn't use dkpg -i, but rather added the repo to my sources.list and installed with apt-get
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00:48<anony>found this on github, but I'm not familiar with it.
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02:13<Interwebs>Debian-folk, how stable is kernel 3.0.0-1 at this point? I'm trying to pick between it and 2.6 on a testing install
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02:14<luke3321>Interwebs: I have been using it for a few weeks now with no issue
02:14<luke3321>Slight increase in power consumption, but its small enough it could just be me seeing things
02:15<Interwebs>luke3321: wireless drivers ok? breaking?
02:15<luke3321>Fine on my laptop
02:15<luke3321>No issue whatsoever
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02:16<luke3321>Any laptop wireless driver that holds a steady 8 ms ping with a 10 Mib/s downlink/ 8 MiB/s uplink is fine by me
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02:47<ompaul>zvin: a little late perhaps ;-)
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03:15<helmut>hi. i am trying to debug a possible openssh-client bug. could someone on unstable try reproducing it? ssh -vvv -o IPQoS=ef some.of.your.hosts 2>&1 | grep IP_TOS # do you see any output?
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03:17<amoe>oops :p
03:17<amoe>I guess I need to replace that ;)
03:17<helmut>then it looks like the recent 5.9p1 upload broke it
03:17<amoe>That hangs
03:17<helmut>uhm. correct.
03:17<helmut>i forgot to add a command.
03:17<helmut>ssh -vvv -o IPQoS=ef some.of.your.hosts true 2>&1 | grep IP_TOS
03:18<amoe>no output, completes
03:19<helmut>oh yes and when i downgrade to 5.8p1-7 then it shows up again
03:20<amoe>i am on sid, btw
03:20<helmut>yes, i specifically asked for sid
03:21<amoe>ah sorry I need to read better ;) It's early
03:21<helmut>that bug took me more than an hour. who would expect that a feature just broke in the most recent release?
03:23<weasel>you use the qos thing?
03:23<helmut>weasel: not yet. i was investigating whether it is useful.
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03:24<helmut>weasel: since i have lots of interactive and non-interactive ssh sessions it makes sense to put traffic into different classes. do you have a better option to get good interactive performance on a slow link?
03:25<weasel>I was just wondering
03:27<jm_>hmm I somehow remember someone blogged about similar topic lately, but I am not very sure on this
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03:27<jm_>in connection with -M I beliebe
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03:28<helmut>jm_: -M can save you some time on connection setup
03:28<helmut>jm_: but it makes qos impossible.
03:29<wols>helmut: cgroups?
03:30<wols>helmut: or simply use wondershaper. it was designed for exactly this
03:30<jm_>helmut: yeah that is what the blog post was about - how to disable setting QOS for scp IIRC
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03:30<helmut>wols: wondershaper puts all ssh traffic in the interactive class.
03:31<helmut>wols: if 90% of your traffic is ssh that means no shaping (apart from reducing the bufferbloat)
03:31<jm_>or rather how to prevent scp from using the same connection or somesuch
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03:32<helmut>wols: can you describe how you would do it with cgroups?
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03:32<wols>cgroups can distinguish between user groups. so it only works if the processes run as different users
03:33<helmut>i would like to get "git pull" in the "throughput" class
03:34<helmut>and ssh just has this feature of adding some information to the network packets telling whether they are interactive or not, so why not use it?
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03:35<jm_>helmut: did you check BTS?
03:35<helmut>jm_: of course i did. no one reported it yet. it was likely introduced by the ipv6 tos patch
03:35<helmut>well i'm gonna change that. ;-)
03:37<jm_>maybe try building it with that patch reverted and report it via BTS
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03:38<helmut>i already wasted an hour on this bug and i verified that it is not present in 1:5.8p1-7, so why bother when the maintainer is probably able to fix it within minutes?
03:38<helmut>as far as i know the ssh maintainers know what they're doing
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03:39<jm_>poor soul, one hour, imagine that
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03:40<|Frederik>After an apt-get source package, is there a way to apply all debian patches to the source (without building the whole package)?
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03:41<wols>|Frederik: already done
03:41<helmut>|Frederik: depends on the source format. can you cat debian/source/format?
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03:41<|Frederik>helmut: 3.0 (quilt)
03:41<wols>helmut: if you apt-get source package, the debian patches are already applied
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03:41<helmut>wols: not for all packages. but for most
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03:42<wols>ick. compile time patching :(
03:42<helmut>|Frederik: the patches are already applied.
03:42<|Frederik>ok, thanks for your help!
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03:44<helmut>yeah. now i can type without lag even while saturating my link. :-)
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03:46<amoe>Are there any practical hardware requirements for setting up a Xen dom0 in squeeze? I mean, if I'm happy with tiny and very slow domUs, can I even run one on slow and old hardware?
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04:15<wols>amoe: you usually want virtualization capable hardware for xen, but if you insist, you can use old hardware yes
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04:16<amoe>wols: thanks :)
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04:21<ubunt>hi all
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04:59<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. trying to run an fsck on an ext4 fs, but it just tells me immediately it's clean without properly scanning everything. How can I make it do a proper scan?
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05:00<Black_Prince>Force it :-|
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05:11<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, thanks. I looked in the man file for a force option but it doesn't mention one. Odd that.
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05:11<jm_>man fsck.ext4
05:12<ComradeHaz`>Oh, does it just pass the options on?
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05:12<jm_>yes, read the "fs-specific-options" section
05:13<jm_>(that's in the fsck man page)
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05:14<ComradeHaz`>Ah, I see.
05:14<jm_>no worries
05:14<Black_Prince>Or if you want to force check root file system on boot, touch /forcefsck
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05:23<mehdi_>hi evry body :)
05:24<mehdi_>u too :)
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05:30<gabrielegualco>[11:27] <gabrielegualco> hi
05:31<gabrielegualco>[11:27] <gabrielegualco> i'm in trouble with the ethernet connection in my home
05:31<gabrielegualco>[11:28] <gabrielegualco> browsers are working, but i can't make upgrade
05:31<gabrielegualco>[11:28] <gabrielegualco> it is not fetching
05:31<gabrielegualco>[11:28] <gabrielegualco> from office it is working
05:31<gabrielegualco>[11:28] <gabrielegualco> even with wifi
05:31<gabrielegualco>[11:29] <gabrielegualco> how i can set up eth0 in the way to let it work again?
05:31<gabrielegualco>thanks for any idea
05:31<amoe>gabrielegualco: are you using iptables?
05:32<gabrielegualco>i neve touched it
05:32<amoe>hmm, do you use any firewall?
05:32<mleitner>sounds like your sources.list is not set correctly
05:32<gabrielegualco>i also can't upgrade from office without being root
05:32<gabrielegualco>it is
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05:33<gabrielegualco>it's working from office
05:33<gabrielegualco>that's the strange thing..
05:33<SynrG>so, a laptop, then
05:33<Nemoder>perhaps your isp is blocking ftp ports, try http
05:33<amoe>can you paste the errors from aptitude dist-upgrade?
05:33<gabrielegualco>wait a second
05:33<jm_>second is over
05:34<gabrielegualco>ok wait a minute :)
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05:34<babilen>gabrielegualco: Just as a note: Using is typically not recommended, use something like instead where CC is replaced with your country's code. (uk, hk, us, tw, be, ...)
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05:34<gabrielegualco>it want even start and the line is having troubles
05:35<gabrielegualco>root@host-192-168-1-3:/home/gabrielegualco# apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade0% [Connessione a] [Connessione a] [Connession^C
05:35<gabrielegualco>stop there
05:35<gabrielegualco>and if i do it from not root
05:36<gabrielegualco>i try
05:37<gabrielegualco>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=121 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=2 ttl=43 time=220 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=3 ttl=43 time=109 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=4 ttl=43 time=168 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=5 ttl=43 time=224 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=6 ttl=43 time=214 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=7 ttl=43 time=146 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=9 ttl=43 time=145 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=10 ttl=43 time=302 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=11 ttl=43 time=74.7 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=12 ttl=43 time=88.5 ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>--- ping statistics ---
05:37<gabrielegualco>29 packets transmitted, 20 received, 31% packet loss, time 28271ms
05:37<gabrielegualco>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 74.779/170.942/302.861/62.207 ms
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05:37<SynrG>gabrielegualco: please don't do that.
05:37<SynrG>use a pastebin instead, e.g.
05:37<SynrG>for anything pasted here more than 2 lines
05:38<amoe>what's the relevant line from /etc/apt/sources.list?
05:38<gabrielegualco>ok sorry
05:38<gabrielegualco>so the ping is ok?
05:38<amoe>actually, that was a ping to
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05:38<amoe>you should ping (but not to the channel ;))
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05:39<gabrielegualco>amoe what you mean?
05:39<gabrielegualco>i have to do ping again?
05:39<amoe>you missed out the ".it."...
05:39<gabrielegualco>i try
05:39<amoe>but can you paste the relevant line from /etc/apt/sources.list
05:40<gabrielegualco>sorry again :) what you mean for relevant?
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05:41<Nemoder>just put the whole thing on pastebin
05:41<gabrielegualco>all sources.list?
05:41<gabrielegualco>ping: unknown host
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05:41<gabrielegualco>this is result of ping
05:42<Nemoder>you got it backwards:
05:42<babilen>gabrielegualco: As I mentioned earlier .. It should be -- Using is not recommended
05:42<gabrielegualco>ok i ping that and i give you the result
05:43<babilen>gabrielegualco: No, change your sources.list accordingly (and paste it) and try "apt-get update" as well ... Paste all output to
05:43<gabrielegualco>ah all right
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05:46<gabrielegualco>i can't use
05:47<gabrielegualco>can explain how it does work?
05:47<gabrielegualco>i'm a newbie
05:47<Nemoder>you just paste the text there instead of irc then give us the URL it returns
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05:48<gabrielegualco>Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
05:48<Nemoder>name can be anything, call it fred if you want :)
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05:49<Nemoder>it just has to be under 10 letters
05:49<gabrielegualco>and before send what i need to write?
05:49<Nemoder>yes paste in the box there
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05:50<gabrielegualco>this is my sources.list
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05:50<gabrielegualco>it does work from office even with wired, but not working at home
05:51<gabrielegualco>and usually upgrade is ok
05:51<amoe>what happens if you try to visit in a browser?
05:51<gabrielegualco>i try now
05:52<gabrielegualco>i see an html page with some ftp. debian etc addresses
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05:52<Nemoder>gabrielegualco: can you pastebin the complete output of apt-get update?
05:53<gabrielegualco>yes i do it now
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05:54<gabrielegualco>it is working, just a moment
05:54<amoe>you seem to have fairly bad packet loss
05:55<amoe>did you say this is a wired connection?
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05:56<gabrielegualco_>it disconnected me from online
05:56<gabrielegualco_>as you see
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05:57<gabrielegualco_>now i paste the result
05:58<amoe>gabrielegualco: are you using wireless or a cable at the moment? (sorry if you mentioned this earlier)
05:58<gabrielegualco_>i'm using cable from home
05:58<themill>what a mess
05:58<gabrielegualco_>at the office wonì't fail
05:58<gabrielegualco_>what you mean?
05:58<Nemoder>it looks like your home connection is very poor
05:58<gabrielegualco_>but everything else work
05:59<gabrielegualco_>and before a mouth ago was fine
05:59<gabrielegualco_>so you don't see any trouble in the file?
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05:59<babilen>gabrielegualco: To be honest: Rarely have I seen such a, well, convoluted sources.list -- I wouldn't call your system Debian anymore and I would strongly recommend not to mix mint, ubuntu, debian, various third-party repositories and PPAs -- This is not supported. Not here and nowhere else fwiw.
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06:00<gabrielegualco_>yes i know, but i need to have varoius staff..
06:00<gabrielegualco_>i'll contact isp to see if they have an answer to this trouble
06:00<Nemoder>gabrielegualco: pastebin your ping to
06:00<gabrielegualco_>ok wait
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06:02<amoe>gabrielegualco: maybe even a problem with your network cable
06:02<gabrielegualco_>i suppose router has troubles
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06:02<chatnix>upon doing '#apt-get install firestarter' i neither see it in the gnome menus, nor do i have a /usr/bin/firestarter...package is installed though, what's going on?
06:03<gabrielegualco_>the ping wont finish
06:03<gabrielegualco_>do i have to interrupt?
06:03<gabrielegualco_>i past it now
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06:04<Nemoder>chatnix: dpkg -L firestarter should list all the files it installed
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06:04<gabrielegualco_>i forgot to say
06:04<Nemoder>hm strange that ping looks good
06:04<gabrielegualco_>that another pc with linux mint DE works fine
06:05<gabrielegualco_>and here from last upgrade i can't anymore install not being root
06:05<gabrielegualco_>i show the output
06:05<Nemoder>I think you may have corrupted your system with experimental and non supported packages
06:06<gabrielegualco_>i suppose i didnìt accept the new version of sudoers file
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06:07<gabrielegualco_>i send you output from sudo apt-get install firestarter
06:07<chatnix>Nemoder: it put it in /usr/sbin...but why no path?
06:08<Nemoder>chatnix: sbin is in root's path, likely the app needs root permissions to function
06:08<chatnix>Nemoder: right, there is path for bad
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06:08<wols>chatnix: cause only root has /usb/sbin in its path. and firestarter configures a netfilter firewall. only root has the priviledges to do this
06:09<themill>!sudo path
06:09<dpkg>As of sudo version 1.8.2 (wheezy/sid), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
06:09<Nemoder>gabrielegualco_: you really should reinstall debian and dont use experimental pacakges unless you know what you are doing
06:10<gabrielegualco_>well, maybe i'll do it, but there is no way to see for a solution?
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06:11<gabrielegualco_>i mean as root i can install even from home
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06:12<gabrielegualco_>where i can find a place to see a debian structur like an /index and see the differences with mine?
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06:13<Nemoder>you can use debsums to find corrupted files but that wont solve configuration problems
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06:14<gabrielegualco_>is it an application or a web page?
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06:14<gabrielegualco_>is it in debian repositories?
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06:15<gabrielegualco_>i'm installing as root
06:15<Nemoder>I dont think it will help you though, if you have broken packages installed it will just say they are installed fine
06:15<Nemoder>but it wont hurt
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06:15<gabrielegualco_>i'll make a new debian on virtualbox
06:16<gabrielegualco_>and i'll see with my post installation script what come out
06:16<Nemoder>if the host machine has network problems that wont help :)
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06:16<gabrielegualco_>no does not have
06:16<gabrielegualco_>i mean at least i have the office
06:17<gabrielegualco_>and anyway i'll find the space in the disk for another boot if it is necessery
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06:17<gabrielegualco_>i ask you another thing before i go
06:18<gabrielegualco_>in the installation debian won't permit to try the system, you can just install it
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06:18<Nemoder>you would need the livecd for that
06:19<gabrielegualco_>it goes from external flash usb key too?
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06:19<Nemoder>I believe so yes
06:20<gabrielegualco_>mm i didn't find it first time..
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06:20<gabrielegualco_>thanks amoe
06:20<gabrielegualco_>do you all advise me to use squeeze or other one?
06:21<amoe>use squeeze
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06:21<themill>and don't mix in PPAs with debian. Ever.
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06:22<gabrielegualco_>but if i need other applications what i can do??
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06:22<amoe>what else do you need?
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06:23<gabrielegualco_>i used ubuntu before, for me it is normal to have themes and staff from there
06:23<gabrielegualco_>yes need :)
06:23<gabrielegualco_>when you use an application or something like you like to carry on using it
06:24<gabrielegualco_>like awoken icon theme
06:24<amoe>probably manually installing themes under /usr/local etc is preferably to using ubuntu packages
06:24<gabrielegualco_>for axemple
06:24<Guest11739>Does anyone here program C?
06:24<gabrielegualco_>ok, i get it
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06:25<wols>!tell Guest11739 about anyone
06:25<gabrielegualco_>but after they don't update themeself..
06:25<amoe>life is hard ;)
06:25<gabrielegualco_>mmm i'll try to keep on this road and make the other one too..
06:26<wols>gabrielegualco_: the way you run things now, your icon theme updates itself and after a month or two you have a broken debian which you should reinstall. is that better?
06:26<gabrielegualco_>well maybe not, but it's not only icon theme
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06:27<gabrielegualco_>there is other staff working well on debian
06:28<wols>it's not the icon theme that is the problem. it's your using of repositories from everywhere that is
06:28<gabrielegualco_>and this looks more like something little, otherwise it wouldn't ever work, from everywhere
06:28<gabrielegualco_>anyway you are basicly right
06:28<gabrielegualco_>i'll keep trying to fix this
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06:28<gabrielegualco_>and i'll put on another one with "classic" debian staff
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06:29<Nemoder>it may work and it may not but there is no way for us to help solve problems that arrise from taht
06:29<gabrielegualco_>last thiing (really)
06:29<gabrielegualco_>where i can find repositories for debian only??
06:29<gabrielegualco_>and are it the testing ones right?
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06:30<Nemoder>just stick with the official repository, add nonfree and backports if needed
06:31<gabrielegualco_>virtualbox is nonfree right?
06:31<gabrielegualco_>the oracle one?
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06:32<themill>,info virtualbox --release squeeze-backports
06:32<judd>Package virtualbox (misc, optional) in squeeze-backports/i386: x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. Version: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; Size: 14641.6k; Installed: 41260k; Homepage:
06:32<themill>gabrielegualco_: ^^ as you can see, it's available in debian main (not non-free).
06:33<gabrielegualco_>mmm :)
06:33<gabrielegualco_>that was a command from terminal?
06:34<gabrielegualco_>anyway thanks to everybody!
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06:36<gabrielegualco_>i'll come back soon to ask other staff
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06:39<gabrielegualco_>maybe you are interested to know that debsums FAILED on /etc/sudoers
06:40<themill>yes. we covered that a while back
06:40<gabrielegualco_>and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf FAILED
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06:41<gabrielegualco_>/etc/libreoffice/sofficerc FAILED
06:41<gabrielegualco_>/etc/libreoffice/ FAILED
06:41<gabrielegualco_> /etc/kde4/kdm/backgroundrc FAILED
06:42<babilen>gabrielegualco_: Haven't we mentioned before?
06:42<gabrielegualco_>sorry i thought one line for a time was ok..
06:43<babilen>gabrielegualco_: I have not followed the discussion completely, but I would recommend to reinstall squeeze *and stick with only Debian repositories* -- The mix-n-match you have right now is nothing that could be considered to be Debian and is certainly nothing we can and will support.
06:43<babilen>gabrielegualco_: You pasted four lines ;)
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06:43<gabrielegualco_>not togheter..
06:44<gabrielegualco_>anyway i'll remember to paste with the web page
06:44<gabrielegualco_>ok o really have to go
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06:44<gabrielegualco_>thanks again, at least now i have the prove some files need to be fix
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06:44<gabrielegualco_>i will install debian again on same or other machine
06:44<gabrielegualco_>see you!
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07:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:20<aitor>hay aalguien
07:20<themill>!es-social aitor
07:20<dpkg>aitor: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:20<aitor>quien eres
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07:54<Golfgeo>Is there a way to use my (old) ipchains firewall script on an iptables debian install?
07:55<Golfgeo>Building a replacement firewall/routing machine and if I could I would like to use my old script
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07:55<Bushmills>there was an ipchains module for iptables, to provide compatibility
07:56<Golfgeo>hmmm.... module, like kernel module?
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07:56<Bushmills>not sure whether that's still provided with stock kernels
07:56<Golfgeo>k, googling on it now :-)
07:56<Golfgeo>well, I'll give it a try eh :-D Thanks mate :-)
07:56<Nemoder>might be worth the headache to just rewrite the scripts in the long run :)
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07:58<Golfgeo>I know Nemoder, but for the moment I'm time limited... argh! :-D whahha
08:00<Golfgeo>Last time I re-wrote the script I needed to add PPPoE over a functional network I needed to be able to access too.... so, this time I'm hoping it will be easier to just use the (working) script haha
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08:01<Golfgeo>but me is off for now, testing the beast for a could of minutes :-)
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08:07<ralle>On my computer, Debian is installed on a 512 MB NAND. I have filled the space and got a SD card today, which I plugged in and mounted. I found /usr to be 500 MB so I want to move that to the SD card. I did cp -pr /usr /media/sd and then moved /usr to /usr.old and made a symlink. Is this the recommended way of doing this?
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08:11<ralle>Seems not to be the way.. It won't respond to SSH now..
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08:13<Nemoder>ralle: i think that would work in theory but you have to make sure that device is mounted on boot
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08:17<ralle>Nemoder: hmm.. How can I do that? I need to recover the computer first as it's "broken" now
08:18<Nemoder>ralle: edit the /etc/fstab
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08:18<ralle>That's where I added the sd as a drive
08:19<Nemoder>it should mount it on startup then unless noauto was set
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08:22<wols>ralle: what's in your fstab? do you have an entry for the new card? do you know the new cards's device name?
08:22<ralle>wols: I do.. But right now I need to get the thing working again as after rebooting, there was no /usr/bin
08:22<wols>the "proper" way would be to boot debian and copy /usr while debian is running
08:23<wols>then copy your /usr/back where it belongs
08:23<wols>I hope you have a JTAG on this plug....
08:23<ralle>okay, I am in now
08:23<ralle>and fixed it
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08:24<ralle>how do I restart it without the reboot command? init something
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08:26<babilen>ralle: "init 6" ?
08:26<ralle>lol… -bash: init: command not found
08:26<ralle>how do I make a syscall?
08:26<ralle>I will just do it the hard way then
08:26<user01>hi guys . . . how do i file a bug report on iceweasel backport?
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08:27<user01>it seems to be interfering with the gimp libcairo2
08:27<ralle>oh,.. I guess I could just have entered the full path of reboot
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08:28<user01>i am unable to print pdfs or anything in the gimp after installing iceweasel dependency libcairo2
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08:29<ralle>Nemoder: wols here is my fstab
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08:30<Nemoder>ralle: if the problem isn't with the mount you'll have to check startup logs
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08:31<user01>ok i have to go to work, ill ask again later
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08:33<gigginoooo>Hi I got stalled on libc6 upgrade :-( anyone that could help me ?
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08:40<wols>!tell gigginoooo about bat
08:41<ralle>I can't seem to find any logs about this
08:41<wols>gigginoooo: and you maybe should tell us what you wanted to do that lead the the problem
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08:42<wols>ralle: what logs are you looking for and why?
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08:43<ralle>wols: I moved /usr to /media/sd/usr and symlinked. After that, I could not ssh into the server anymore.. So I connected through USB and moved usr back. Now I wanted to see what was wrong but didn't find anything
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08:43<gigginoooo>wols, here is the apt-get -f install output
08:43<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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08:44<wols>I suggest you look into dropbear, install it into /sbin and run it on some nonstandard port
08:46<ralle>I was trying something along the lines of using the second option
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08:48<wols>gigginoooo: what kernel version do you run?
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08:48<gigginoooo>wols: 2.6.22-3-686
08:48<saulo>Hello! I need install xulrunner 1.9.x on Debian testing. Tryed add lenny, but I receive errors, somebody can help me?
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08:49<wols>gigginoooo: you cannot install to testing with a edbian that old (if it even is a debian version). you need to upgrade to lenny (oldstable) first, then to debian squeeze and then to debian wheezy
08:49<Bushmills>mixing lenny and wheezy?
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08:49<wols>Bushmills: that's not lenny there.
08:50<wols>gigginoooo: and you need to install and run a 2.6.26 kernel before everything else
08:50<wols>Bushmills: rather, lenny when it was testing
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08:51<saulo>wols, Bushmills: How can I proceed to have this xulrunner version? Install from testing tolds me "No candidate version"
08:51<Bushmills>what wols said. upgrade makes life easier, eventually
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08:52<gigginoooo>wols : can i get back to libc6 2.7-6 ?
08:52<wols>!tell saulo about errors
08:52<wols>gigginoooo: not really
08:52<wols>!tell gigginoooo about downgrade
08:52<saulo>But I'm runnint debian testing, back to lenny now only to install 1 package is crazy for me :(
08:52<wols>,versions libc6
08:52<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21
08:52<wols>gigginoooo: I don't understand why you'd want to either
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08:54<wols>gigginoooo: you want to upgrade to a working, proper lenny install. from then on you can go forward. or you reinstall your debian which could be the faster way to fix
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08:55<saulo>wols, Bushmills: Let me explain better my problem: I have this application , who runs on xulrunner 1.9.1.x, but I'm running Debian testing in my computer. But I'm unable to run the Pencil application :(
08:55<saulo>,versions xulrunner
08:55<judd>Package: xulrunner on i386 -- lenny-multimedia:
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08:56<wols>saulo: you explained that problem before, but you didn't show us any relevant errors installing xulrunner. as you've noticed yourself, it's not available in testing anymore, so you tried lenny. but you didn't give us anything to go on. until you do, we cannot help.
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08:56<saulo>ah ok! sorry! xD Let me get the problem here
08:56<saulo>(what's that command to bring my terminal messages in english? :P)
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08:57<wols>export LANG=C
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08:57<ralle>where is the boot log?
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08:58<wols>ralle: I wrote above bootlog above. please scroll up
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08:58<gigginoooo>wols: I just would like to get back to the 2.7-6 to have a working old release. it just upgraded locales and libc6 packages...
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08:59<gigginoooo>wols: are 2.7-18lenny7 verions OK as well ?
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09:00<wols>gigginoooo: yes
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09:08<ralle>wols: take a look at this
09:08<gigginoooo>wols, libc-bin (2.13-21) breaks libc6 (<< 2.10) and is there any 2.7-18lenny7 version or have I just to remove that?
09:09<wols>gigginoooo: cause you still have wheezy in your sources.list. you MUST have lenny in there, nothing else
09:10<wols>and with a system like yours, apt doesn't work anymore since you broke it. to fix it, you need to download packages manually and install with dpkg -i usually
09:10<wols>gigginoooo: which is something a testing user should be able to do since testing has dependency problems all the time
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09:11<wols>ralle: your system puts /var or /var/log in a tmpfs and you wonder why you can't access logs from before you booted?
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09:12<saulo>wols: This is all I have, no idea about how to proceed :(
09:12<gigginoooo>wols, I'm doing dpkg -i
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09:13<wols>gigginoooo: install both problematic packages at the same time
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09:14<gigginoooo>wols, the problem is that I got libc-bin installed and haven't found any 2.7-18lenny7 vesion...maybe should I just remove that package?
09:14<gigginoooo>wols, libc-bin is 2.13-21
09:15<wols>gigginoooo: yes. and the questin is, what other packages from wheezy have you installed?
09:16<gigginoooo>wols, just libc-bin, libc6 and locales
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09:21<themill>libc-bin is part of libc6 in lenny
09:21<themill>this sort of downgrade is very easy to get wrong. I hope you have local access to this machine and a live-cd or similar handy
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09:22<gigginoooo>themill, how can I remove libc-bin ?
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09:27<ComradeHaz`>Hi guys. I have migrated my software RAID1 of os partitons to two new disks but forgot to reconfigure grub and this install boot loaders on them. Can anyone tell me how I can fix this now or where I can find a trustworthy guide? It's a 'testing' install, so is GRUB2. All partitions are on lvm on the RAID.
09:27<saulo>Trying instal xulrunner-1.9.1 from source, I receive this error:
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09:29<ComradeHaz`>Gah, back in a short while. :/ Advice in the mean time gratefully received. :/
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09:31<wols>!tell ComradeHaz` about fixgrub
09:32<wols>saulo: you miss lots of -dev packages
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09:36<gigginoooo>wols, I tried dpkg -i libc6_2.7-18lenny7_i386.deb libc6-i686_2.7-18lenny7_i386.deb libc6-dev_2.7-18lenny7_i386.deb locales_2.7-18lenny7_all.deb but libc-bin breaks libc6
09:37<wols>you need to remove libc-bin then
09:37<gigginoooo>so I need to remove libc-bin ..but if I do dpkg -r libc-bin it tells me that is an essential package...there is a way to force ?
09:38<wols>there are. man dpkg
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09:38<wols>but I still wonder: wouldn't it be faster to reinstall your debian. cause even when you then run lenny properly (which will take quite some time), you still have to upgrade to squeeze and then to wheezy
09:38<saulo>wols: I made some progress, but now this output:
09:40<saulo>wols: found!! sudo apt-get install libxt-dev
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09:43<gigginoooo>wols, dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH :-(
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09:45<wols>unpack your new lenny libc manually. this is the problem with libc manual operations: it kills the whole system
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09:54<gigginoooo>wols, I copied the ldconfig in /sbin direcotry If I do dpkg -i libc6_2.7-18lenny7_i386.deb I get invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/ not found.
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09:59<gigginoooo>wols, copied the same seems it worked
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10:17<PietroTux88>can i use xfs?
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10:17<PietroTux88>i want istall on root partion
10:17<PietroTux88>is xfs stable?
10:17<PietroTux88>or btrfs is stable?
10:17<PietroTux88>im comfused
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10:21<SynrG>PietroTux88: maybe read up on the doc for each upstream and make that determination yourself?
10:21<babilen>PietroTux88: You can use both, but using btrfs is not recommended. I would personally recommend ext3/4, xfs or jfs. What kind of system is this for?
10:22<PietroTux88>i want know if xfs is best?
10:22<SynrG>"best" depends on what you use the system for
10:22<babilen>Depends on what you want to use it for
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10:22<PietroTux88>for 1 TB of space. i want install debian wheezy amd64
10:22<PietroTux88>on external harddrive
10:22<babilen>What will the system be used for?
10:23<SynrG>if you have no special needs and/or are confused about what to use, just use the default
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10:23<SynrG>which is currently ext3
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10:23<PietroTux88>is xfs support for many?
10:23<PietroTux88>i want this
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10:24<babilen>But use it if you want it
10:24<PietroTux88>i want know this if XFS is support for many years
10:24<babilen>You know our recommendation (i.e. ext3) -- ext4 is an option, but if you have reasons to use xfs nobody will stop you.
10:25<PietroTux88>but i want know of you
10:25<PietroTux88>if xfs can be support for many years
10:25<SynrG>as recently as three years ago it was very badly broken
10:26<PietroTux88>and now how is?
10:26<PietroTux88>i have seen xfsprogs
10:26<SynrG>it is supposedly better now. but i am not speaking from personal experience.
10:26<PietroTux88>status august 2011
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10:27<PietroTux88>i have make this ask for be sure
10:27<PietroTux88>i have tried JFS
10:27<PietroTux88>but is very slow
10:28<PietroTux88>i remember when i have SGI computer
10:28<PietroTux88>on 1990's
10:28<PietroTux88>sgi use xfs?
10:28<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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10:29<SynrG>i don't know the history of xfs. that is something that is best to just read about in upstream's documentation.
10:30<SynrG>did you have any more questions about xfs, or are you satisfied now by our answers?
10:31<SynrG>ok. good luck, then
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10:49<rainiux>Привет! Тут кто из росийских палестин бывает?
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10:52<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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10:56<rainiux>O! Spasibo!
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11:13<lord_rob>Hi ! I've a microSD card that seems broken and not detected anymore. Is there a way to reformat it ?
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11:14<loply>Hi folks
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11:15<loply>I have a Debian Squeeze server, and despite repeatedly correcting it I keep finding the system time has ended up 10 minutes behind the real time
11:15<loply>I fix it about once a month then somebody informs me it's out again!
11:15<loply>I've never come across this before and I'm wondering what might be causing it?
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11:18<voobles>Hi everyone. Is there a way to tell debian, which packages to install from which repo? ie. i would like to use package X from unstable and package Y from testing, yet i want the rest of system to use stable. Can anybody point me in the direction i should be digging?
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11:18<jhutchins_lt>!tell loply about ntp
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11:19<jhutchins_lt>voobles: That's called frankendebian, and the system is designed to prevent it, as it results in unusable systems.
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11:20<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
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11:20<babilen>voobles: Please do not mix stable with anything but backports. If you want to run testing/sid then do that, but do not mix-n-(un)match them with stable as you will bork your system.
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11:21<babilen>voobles: If you still want to go ahead with this (which is possible), pinning or setting the default release is the way to go.
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11:22<voobles>Thanks everybody! I do realize the dangers ofcourse, thanks for the warning again!
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11:23<babilen>voobles: I would recommend to run wheezy directly or use stable+backports. That is a much saner setup than what you are attempting to create.
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11:25<mosno>is there any talk of backports getting proper security team support?
11:26<voobles>babilen: Thank you!
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11:26<babilen>mosno: proper? it is on a best-effort basis by individual maintainers
11:28<mosno>babilen: yes, i assume that the security team would be more consistent across the archive
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11:28<mosno>babilen: ie. formally, if not practically
11:28<babilen>mosno: I have not read anything about that (which by no means implies that nobody was discussing this)
11:28<yopyop>How can i ask for package to be insert to backports ? insserv has a bug on stable which is solved on testing/unstable.
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11:30<babilen>yopyop: You can backport it yourself, kindly ask on the bdo mailing list or send a couple of cakes to the maintainer in Debian. Which bug are you referring to? insserv might be a problematic package which should be well maintained ...
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11:31<voobles>another question: is there a mechanism for debian which is like PPA for ubuntu? ie. When i don't find a needed version in backports and i've got the skill and time to update the package from upstream source and then later on provide something like PPA for everybody who wants to use my version of the package.
11:32<themill>yopyop: insserv is highly unlikely to be backported, but serious bugs can be fixed in a point release.
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11:34<babilen>yopyop: Yes -- I realise that my sentence did not convey the meaning I was trying to convey -- insserv will quite likely not be backported.
11:34<yopyop>this bug
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11:35<yopyop>my goal is to replace portmap by rpcbind
11:35<mosno>voobles: i've never used a PPA but i don't see why you couldn't host your own apt archive
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11:37<yopyop>install on a fresh system works fine, but when i install it using FAI, it goes wrong because of this bug. I can solve it by changing insserv from stable to testing but i'm not fan of this solution
11:37<mosno>voobles: or just use launchpad to host a PPA that is compatible with Squeeze :)
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11:39<voobles>mosno: indeed, i haven't thought of it, thank!
11:39<kellar>anyone else experiencing weirdness with keyboard application-shortcuts on xfce4 in wheezy?
11:41<ComradeHaz`>wols: Thanks for that though I seem to be doing something wrong. :-(
11:41<ComradeHaz`>Anyone know what I'm doing wrong given
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11:57<wols>ComradeHaz`: yes. you run the wrong distro
11:57<wols> 8/lastlog ComradeHaz`
11:58<sney>ComradeHaz`: also, you're probably trying to chroot into an amd64 system from a 686 one.
11:59<ComradeHaz`>my distro is Debian, ubuntu live cd was just handy
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11:59<sney>not handy enough, it would seem
11:59<ComradeHaz`>sney: you are correct.
12:00<ComradeHaz`>Gah, didn't know that was a problem.
12:00<ComradeHaz`>There is no Debian live CD is there?
12:01<ComradeHaz`>Oh my
12:01<ComradeHaz`>Is this new?
12:01<sney>I think it's been around since Lenny at least
12:02<ComradeHaz`>Crikey, the air is freshh out from under my rock.
12:02*ComradeHaz` stretches
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12:04<nodiscc>Hi, how do I specify that usb devices should be automounted with the 'noexec' mount option?
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12:05<nodiscc>something with udev rules, I guess, but could not find anything relevant in /lib/udev/rules.d or /etc/udev/rules.d
12:05<__Alex_>When i try to do a Debootstrap on my FreeBSD box (With Linux emulation Enabled.), once i get to the part where it chroots with ldconfig, it shows me "FATAL: Kernel too old". I'm using FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, I'm trying to install Deb Squeeze, and i installed debootstrap from ports. Does anyone know Why it doesn't work?
12:05<nodiscc>I've just seen someone running an exploit on evince-thumbnailer that runs a script from an automounted usb drive.. uncool
12:06<sney>I suspect it's a freebsd issue
12:06<__Alex_>It would be nice to have a Debian CHROOT on FreeBSD
12:06<mosno>__Alex_: why not just virtualise?
12:06<nodiscc>noexec option for all automounted drives would be much safer.
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12:08<__Alex_>mosno: It's a P4, a (Today's standarts) old machine. Virtualization is slow on it
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12:10<valdyn>__Alex_: linux adds new interfaces all the time, and libc6 uses those. Not a good idea to use the same libc6 on a bsd kernel
12:10*daemonkeeper lacks context, but a Linux libc obviously won't run on a BSD kernel. Even Debian kfreebsd has its own libc.
12:11<sney>he's trying to run debootstrap under freebsd
12:11<daemonkeeper>That works.
12:11<valdyn>__Alex_: so what you would need is a libc6 that is not compiled against linux but against freebsd
12:11<daemonkeeper>But not because of the libc, bu because of the FreeBSD Linux emulation layer.
12:12<mosno>sounds like a support nightmare waiting to happen, imho
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12:12<valdyn>__Alex_: now that i tink about it, trying a linux chroot on top of a freebsd kernel is very silly
12:13<daemonkeeper>Yet it works ...
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12:13<daemonkeeper>Or worked, rather.
12:13<__Alex_>valdyn: Very Silly? Lol. That's the only way to get Flashplayer to work for Example
12:13<themill>,info libc0.1-i686 --arch kfreebsd-i386
12:13<judd>Package libc0.1-i686 (libs, extra) in squeeze/kfreebsd-i386: Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]. Version: 2.11.2-10+b1; Size: 1101.7k; Installed: 2406k; Homepage:
12:14<daemonkeeper>You don't use a Linux chroot, but the Linux emulation to use flash, __Alex_. I am not sure how this is related to #debian though
12:14<valdyn>__Alex_: id think it runs no top of freebsds linux emulation layer
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12:14<mosno>__Alex_: just out of curiosity, what's stopping you from removing FreeBSD and just running Squeeze natively?
12:15<__Alex_>mosno: Hardware support
12:15<__Alex_>mosno: Linux barely works with my Hardware
12:15<__Alex_>That's just my shitty computer
12:15<daemonkeeper>The hardware which runs on FreeBSD but not Linux has yet to be developed.
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12:16<__Alex_>Linux runs here, but is very, but VERY unstable
12:16<Ulbri>Hi, does someone know if we can have Debian CUT through Debian Stable without making a completly new instalation?
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12:16<daemonkeeper>Ulbri: The actual question is: Can you have CUT at all. As far as I know, this is no more than a concept right now.
12:16<valdyn>Ulbri: if you tell us what "CUT through" is supposed to mean.. maybe
12:16<themill>Ulbri: there's no such thing as CUT, really. But you can run testing if you want. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
12:16<ComradeHaz`>wols: sney, what about now? :'(
12:17<ComradeHaz`>(Or indeed anyone else?)
12:17<sney>go for the full path
12:18<sney>though likely the issue is you just don't have /usr/sbin in your path right now.
12:18<Ulbri>yes, you can use debian cut, but I don't really know if it's good enough right know
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12:18<ComradeHaz`>Ah, sney, I might not.
12:18<ComradeHaz`>Can I just mount that too?
12:18<ComradeHaz`>or do I need to give special options/
12:19<Ulbri>cause like you said, it's more a concept than a real distribution
12:19<sney>ComradeHaz`: er, it should be on one of those other partitions
12:19<nodiscc>so, any idea how to make udev automount USB drives with 'noexec' ?
12:19<ComradeHaz`>sney, yeah, it is, well, they're lvms
12:19<sney>ComradeHaz`: just try running /usr/sbin/update-grub
12:19<ComradeHaz`>it won't work, you;re right, /usr is a seperate lvm
12:19<ComradeHaz`>well, lv
12:20<sney>when you're doing this sort of thing you really need to mount all of the important system volumes
12:20<themill>Ulbri: you'll notice that all that is on that page is a lot of talk
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12:22<themill>Ulbri: please keep it in the channel so that others can help too
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12:23<Ulbri>as i said, I was searching for a rolling release
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12:23<Ulbri>and debian testing isn't stable enough for what i would like to do i guess
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12:24<valdyn>Ulbri: rolling distros are not stable by definition
12:24<bluenemo>moin guys. i would like to start some new project as i have some time left and was looking for a distribution only for firewall / routing. i know i can do this with deb (of course :) but i just want to play. is there any most popular distri?
12:24<daemonkeeper>FSVO of stable. Not in Debian's understanding of stable.
12:24<Ulbri>yup, but a bit more than debian testing it seems, don't want to lose programs, things like that
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12:25<daemonkeeper>Note Debian's usage of "stable" does not mean "bug free", but "stable code base".
12:25<ComradeHaz`>sney: I think I have no but still get "Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys.)"
12:25<ComradeHaz`>what is /sys ?
12:26<ComradeHaz`>I mean, why is it not mounted as part of root?
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12:26<daemonkeeper> /sys is a virtual (pseudo) file system, just like /dev and /proc
12:27<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, so mount with bind?
12:27<SynrG>you're in a chroot?
12:27<ComradeHaz`>well, I will do it in another terminal
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12:27<ComradeHaz`>but yes, the chroot is moaning
12:28<ComradeHaz`>*chrooted terminal
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12:29<ComradeHaz`>need to rush off again, but perhaps I can bug you chaps a bit more later?
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12:41<DYSW>I was wondering about mysql 5.5, does it come in any repository for easy use or a is manual compiling the only way with debian ?
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12:42<jhutchins_lt>DYSW: Is that the one they just announced all the security vulnerabilities for?
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12:43<DYSW>maybe. Havnt been readin the mysql news
12:44<jhutchins_lt>,versions mysql-server
12:44<judd>Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1
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12:46<DYSW>Got my answer there, still would like to install and see how it diffs
12:47<sney>yeah, build it from source, install with checkinstall or stow so it's easily removable later
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12:56<themill>Guest11764: yes, your keyboard is working.
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12:59<chealer>DYSW: see
13:01<DYSW>chealer > very nice to see that the community is working on these things.
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13:03<DYSW>Hey there. Using debian ?
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13:06<lord_rob>nobody here uses debian I think
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13:08*Bushmills was told of somebody who does
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13:10<lapfrog>yeah we just hang out here ironically
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13:11<lapfrog>hey does anybody use WindowMaker?
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13:12<tensorpudding>used to
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13:15<tensorpudding>if you have a question, you should ask it
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13:27<anonym_>hi. Has anyone an idea how i can set different wallpapers for each monitor, when i use 2 monitors? i am currently using squeeze and gnome 2
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13:28<paris>Hi folks, how to make a wobby windows like on Ubuntu.
13:29<tensorpudding>you can get wobbly windows using compiz
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13:29<daemonkeeper>KDE supports that out of the box. Not sure about Gnome. Some cool kids also use Compiz.
13:29<tensorpudding>yes, kde might support them too
13:29<tensorpudding>but if you want to use gnome 3, i don't think that supports compiz
13:29<tensorpudding>they use their own compositing wm called mutter
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13:32<tensorpudding>personally i prefer mutter's effects
13:32<tensorpudding>but you can't get wobbly windows there
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13:53<XeonBloomfield>How to make grep to work in real time?
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13:54<XeonBloomfield>I have one command which produce few lines of output but in big breaks between these lines - I want to show each line of output and grep it
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13:57<johnfg>hi folks
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14:16<johnfg>I've got a firewall/router problem that I'm not sure how to fix...
14:16<nardev>hello, how to change display without x restart? is ti possible i use gnome on debian
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14:17<johnfg>I'm using arno on squeeze and have all the port's open that I want/need. However, when I run nmap, it doesn't show all of those ports open.
14:17<petemc>is there anything running on those ports?
14:18<johnfg>From my other lenny server, which is using arno but a different setup with modem and router, the ports show up as being open.
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14:19<johnfg>petemc, Yeah, like what I need for openafs-client. But they don't show up with nmap, but are working.
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14:24<johnfg>petemc, Good call (although you didn't point this out), as on this squeeze 'client' machine, I hadn't yet installed the openssh-server.
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14:25<johnfg>petemc, I'll run nmap after install and see what it shows for the ports.
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14:29<riley>hey- i just set up a new server with hostname "bigserver2". how do i get the other computers on the network be able to ssh to "bigserver2" by the hostname and not have to use the ip? right now i can ping bigserver2 with the ip, but not the hostname
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14:31<anonym_>I wann make a backup of my system (not only the home folder, everything with installed programs configurations etc.) How can I do this? I heard that its enough to just copy alle the files from "/" but everytime i try to make a backup it freezes when trying to backup /proc/. (I tried rsync and keep). What Folders do in need to copy if a want to make a backup of my system for later use?
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14:34<Nemoder>anonym_: proc is not a real filesystem, you dont need to back that up
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14:35<crd>riley: if you have a DNS server, you need to add an entry for bigserver2; if you don't you can add entries for it in /etc/hosts on your machines
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14:35<anonym_>I heard that its the output of the system for some informations, but I didnt knew wether its necassery to save it too, if I want to have a running system in the backup folder
14:35<anonym_>thanks nemoder
14:36<Nemoder>anonym_: /proc, /dev/ and /sys are all generated on startup, you shouldn't need to back those up
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14:37<nodiscc>how do I set noatime to be a *default* mount option? so that each volume in /etc/fstab is automatically set to noatime.. thx
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14:38<johnfg>If anyone knows arno-ip-firewall, do I have to add my openvpn as an internal interface? I.e., tun0?
14:39*daemonkeeper needs to rethink his highlights.
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14:40<ml|>nodiscc: just add 'noatime' to the <options> section
14:40<crd>i think he wants it configured so that new entries that are added are given the noatime option automagically, without intervention on his part.
14:40<johnfg>Looks like now my ssh to the client is timing out, not getting that Connection refused.
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14:41<ompaul>!tell riley about bind
14:41<ompaul>riley: check out the message from the bot
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14:43<johnfg>Gonna check something. ttyl.
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14:55<daemonkeeper>!ops Please help us to tell VALEO about the exit.
14:55<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: daemonkeeper complains about: Please help us to tell VALEO about the exit.
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14:57<zoor>Hi! I'm trying to get the WLAN abilities on my laptop to work. I've done everything now. Everything from Ndiswrapper to the step-by-step guide provided by debian. Nothing. I can see my network aswell as a number of others but I'm unable to connect to them. Any ideas??
14:58<wols>you can "see" them via iwlist?
14:58<steinex>zoor: what hardware are you using?
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14:58<wols>zoor: then what encryption does your AP use?
14:58<zoor>steinex, Inprocomm IPN 2220
14:58<zoor>wols, WAP2
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14:59<crd>you have wpasupplicant installed?
14:59<steinex>zoor: can you give the output of lspci please?
14:59<zoor>I've even tried to connect to an open wlan network. Samething there..
14:59<zoor>steinex, sure hold on!
14:59<steinex>zoor: and what driver are you using to drive that chip?
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15:00<zoor>I dont want to flood main... where can I post the outut?
15:00<steinex> i think
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15:00<wols>zoor: you are currently using ndiswrapper, right?
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15:01<zoor>steinex, output =
15:02<zoor>wols, yes thats right
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15:03<wols>zoor: so what is your current setup? how do you try to use wpasupplicant?
15:03<zoor>driver is called neti2220.inf and thats the one recommended everywhere as far as I can see.
15:03<steinex>zoor: Hrrm to bad. I thought i could help you because i had the same issue with a broadcom-chip. Free driver b43 made iwlist and friends work, but connect never worked. Using the propritary wl fixed it then... But that doesn't help in your case.
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15:05<crd>zoor: you essentially followed the documentation at, right?
15:05<zoor>wols, What I've done so far is that I've installed ndiswrapper. Downloaded the appropriate driver and installed it. I den installed wpasupplicant and then wicd because I heard it would be easier to config... but I might have missed something. This is the first time I setup wlan ever in debian.
15:05<zoor>steinex, ok... too bad.
15:05<babilen>.. might also be a problem with wicd
15:06<crd>so you're using wicd, did you remember to tell wicd which wireless interface to use? a lot of people miss that :-)
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15:06<zoor>crd, yes thats the guide. as far as I can see
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15:07<babilen>zoor: What does "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" give you? If you see your wireless interface do you see networks when you run "iwlist INTERFACE scan" ? (replace INTERFACE with the interface in question)
15:07<zoor>crd, hmm.. how do I do that? Something tells me that I told it to se wlan0 which is my interface...
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15:08<babilen>zoor: You can configure that in wicd's settings (can't walk you through them though)
15:08<crd>open up your prefered wicd front-end, open the preferences and fill in the Wireless Interface textbox.
15:09<zoor>babilen, <-- output of ifconfig -a and iwconfig
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15:10<babilen>zoor: Do you see networks when you run "iwlist wlan0 scan" ?
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15:10<crd>zoor: another thing, tell wicd to use the ndiswrapper backend. wext is the default and probably won't work with ndis drivers.
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15:11<zoor>babilen, yes I can see the networks with iwlist wlan scan
15:11<zoor>crd, hmm... I'll look into that
15:11<babilen>zoor: Wonderful -- Continue with the wicd configuration. If that insists on not working you can also try wpasupplicant directly (see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz)
15:12<zoor>babilen, I will thank you!
15:13<babilen>zoor: network-manager would also be an option -- In particular because wicd is not actively developed anymore the last time I checked.
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15:15<zoor>crd, I cant see ndiswrapper as an option...??
15:16<crd>heh, i remember that being there last time i had to use an ndis driver, sorry...
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15:16<crd>lemme go dig that laptop out actually, i'll take a look at it
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15:19<zoor>babilen, in network manager it dont even detect my unit. in other words I have no wlan...
15:19<crd>bother, it's not charged and i've no idea where the charger is
15:20<zoor>crd, Thanks anyway.
15:20<zoor>I really appreciate the help. This is starting to drive me nuts!
15:20<amphi>zoor: can it you tell it to use wlan0?
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15:21<zoor>amphi, how do I tell the network manager to use wlan0?
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15:21<amphi>zoor: no idea, I don't use it; wicd-curses has always worked well for me
15:21<zoor>ok :)
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15:26<fVckingmania>hello, any body can tell me what meens this error? W: Imposible obtener La suma hash difiere
15:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:30<arri>hoi ppl! - i'm in need for help with a very odd situation, prob. caused by some stupid mistake i made myself... But i'm short of imagination/logic in solving it anymore: My server (remote) has 1 NIC with IP x.x.x.x, it's up and it is fine. i also have a series of 'virtual NIC's assigned to a subnet with additional public IP's in another range, say q.q.q.q/29. This is workling fine for years now, until last week 1 ip of this additional range (the first?!) became be
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15:30<arri>and then it's probably handy to know it's about a squize-box.
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15:32<arri>i guess this is also not exactly a debian related topic, but for now, i'm a bit lost.
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15:33<Bushmills>"(the first?!) became be" - then it stops
15:34<arri>oh? so you're looking at only some intro?
15:35<crd>that's all that was posted, some of your first message got cut off.
15:36<arri>well, to finish it very short: this (first) IP address became completely inaccessable from my home/office network.
15:38<arri>at first it looked like something obvious was wrong, but it's not. weird thing is that it;s just this one ip, only from my ofice network.
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15:39<arri>no ping, no traceroute, nmap says 'something' is there on that ip, but all ports are filtered
15:39<arri>and looing at (shore
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15:40<arri>shorewall and auth logs (logged-in via another ip) - it appears there no traffic whatsoever reaching that ip from my home network.
15:40<Bushmills>could be firewall issue
15:42<arri>yes. i have a pretty strict but simple shorewall configuration.. but that didn't change at all. besides, it's mostly setup to drop most everthing regardless which ip address was destination.
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15:42<arri>i'd think if it's the firewall, i would have any access to any of the ip's.
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15:45<arri>locally, also nothing has changed. but to be sure, i ofcourse checked my adsl-modem/router (ovislink) - it only does some nat and dhcp, no filtering at all.
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15:47<jack>hi i'm a new one to debian
15:47<jack>anyone now how to change a large file (>4G) to utf8
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15:48<arri>summing up, locally i have no firewall or something, not on the machines nor this modem/router - and can connect fine to the other IP's of the same machine.
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15:48<jack>iconv or recode doesn't work
15:49<crd>jack: try uni2ascii
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15:49<arri>on the server, no traffic AT ALL reaches the iP in question. if i monitor with TCPDUMp, there's nothing reaching the server network.
15:50<jack>thanks, but i want to change a large file from ascii to utf8
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15:51<themill>ascii already is utf-8
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15:53<jack>sorry,my question is a large file is ascii text ,could not be vimed
15:53<simm>Hi all. I'm realising I'm a little out of date on the virtualisation world. I have a server running squeeze and I want to install a vm to run a fully isolated squeeze install within it - virtual PC/vmware type of thing. Does debian have packages available for this and if there is a selection does anyone have a recommendarion
15:53<crd>that's a problem with vim, not your text encoding
15:53<daemonkeeper>As themill says, ASCII is already UTF. Are you sure you don't actually mean ISO-Latin-whatever?
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15:53<jack>thanks,is there any solution?
15:53<crd>simm: kvm/qemu would do the trick
15:54<MrFrood>jack: vim sould be able to open an ascii text file
15:54<themill>simm: both kvm and virtualbox are able to do that quite nicely and are both in debian.
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15:55<jack>but when i input "vim fff",it shows as a new file
15:55<simm>crd, themill - thanks exactly what I was looking for!
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15:56<jack>but more/cat command does work
15:56<babilen>MrFrood, jack: eases editing of large files
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15:57<jack>"file fff" show it is a ascii text
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15:57<crd>and ascii is a valid subset of utf-8, so that's not the problem.
15:58<jack>thank,i'll try the large file patch with vim
15:59<daemonkeeper>Or don't use vim at all, if all you want is a recoding.
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15:59<MrFrood>jack: can you open it in other editors (ed, nano etc) ?
15:59<daemonkeeper>There are better tools which don't slurm (parts) of a file into memory and/or swap
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15:59<daemonkeeper>That's helpful if your file is huge.
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16:00<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have a system that's lvm on software raid1 that I have need to reinstall grub on (longish story). Bottom line is that having chrooted and, I thought successfully, reinstalled grub to all drives, it still does not successfully load. I Think the reason for this is that the first raid does not come up, though I also get warning about cdrom not being loaded and so forth too. Can anyone....
16:01<ComradeHaz`>help please? Been trying to do this for over 5 hours. :'(
16:01<jack>MrFrood,yes,nano does work
16:01<crd>well, we've done it. we've put and end to the editor wars once and for all.
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16:02<MrFrood>jack: how about vi instead of vim (the vi compatability mode of vim iirc will have less backgroundd stuff going on)
16:03<tables_>i'm trying to chroot like "chroot lenny-chroot /bin/bash" and it will say chroot: failed to run command /bin/bash' : No such file or directory
16:03<MrFrood>crd: yay at last a victor :P
16:03<tables_>and the folder lenny-chroot does have /bin/bash
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16:04<tables_>anyone know what's wrong?
16:04<crd>try doing the same with just /bin/sh, see if that works?
16:04<tables_>tried that already
16:04<tables_>no worky
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16:05<daemonkeeper>tables_: You are most likely missing a dependency, i.e. a shared library within the chroot.
16:06<crd>if that were the case, surely /bin/bash would complain about it, not chroot?
16:06<tables_>how do i fix this probleM?
16:06<tables_>i don't know what that means
16:07<tables_>or how to check if it's missing dependency
16:07<crd>run ldd lenny-chroot/bin/bash and make sure it's got all the libs it needs.
16:07<daemonkeeper>How would it, if it fails to load its dependencies which are dynamically linked into the binary itself. That's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem.
16:08<crd>yyou can put the output on if you need help understanding it
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16:09<tables_>i'm gonna try one more thing
16:09<daemonkeeper>Note, in addition to crd's hints (which are right) the paths are relative to the chroot.
16:09<tables_>it might be the way i mounted this disk
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16:09<tables_>i can't really paste the ldd output easily
16:09<tables_>but it looks about the same as the host system, the output
16:09<tables_>minus the addresses
16:09<tables_>the addresses are different
16:09<crd>they would be
16:09<daemonkeeper>That's no the point. The very same libraries must exist within the chroot too
16:10<daemonkeeper>In their Lenny versions.
16:10<crd>if all the libs are accounted for then it's probably not a dependency problem.
16:10<crd>in which case, it just got interesting
16:10<daemonkeeper>crd: Noe, ldd outside the chroot resolves libraries outside too
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16:10<jhutchins_lt>tables_: permissions?
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16:11<daemonkeeper>Permission is an option too
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16:11<crd>it does? news to me...
16:11<tables_>i got a working lenny-chroot called lenny-chroot1
16:11<tables_>and the one i want to work is lenny-chroot
16:11<crd>now that i think about it, that seems obvious, daemonkeeper...
16:11<tables_>i messed with the lenny-chroot a bit, i make my livecd's on it
16:12<tables_>lenny-chroot1 is in the same hierarchy as lenny-chroot
16:12<tables_>and it chroots just fine
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16:14<daemonkeeper>crd: Yes, its all about the ld loader used. Outside the chroot its relative to your host system. Within the chroot those paths are not reachable. This is why creating a chroot manually is a bit tricky.
16:14<tables_>screw it, im just gonna start all over
16:15<crd>hang on
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16:15<crd>make a copy of lenny-chroot for safe keeping then copy the libs you saw in the output of ldd from lenny-chroot1 to lenny-chroot.
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16:15<crd>then give chrooting one more try
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16:16<tables_>what is the full path to that?
16:17<daemonkeeper>A virtual dependency. Ignore that.
16:17<tables_>woot worked
16:17<tables_>thx much
16:18<tables_>except now all the programs complain
16:19<tables_>for instance
16:19<tables_>"ls: error while loading shared libraries:"
16:19<tables_>blah blah
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16:20<crd>yeah i think you're missing all your libraries
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16:20<daemonkeeper>As soon as the shell is running, debugging that is much easier though.
16:20<crd>oh yeah a lot easier
16:20<daemonkeeper>Well, you see which library is missing. Install it
16:21<tables_>i don't wanna have to do that for everything
16:21<tables_>i'm just gonna start all over
16:21<tables_>i must have screwed up somewhere
16:22<crd>you could copy the dependencies for dpkg/tasksel then use those to isntall the standard task, which would include all the libraries you're missing.
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16:22<crd>or you could just start again, but that's not as much fun.
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16:23<daemonkeeper>... or you copy the library.
16:24<crd>you could do that but that's fairly tedious compared to having dpkg take care of it for you
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16:26<daemonkeeper>crd: Its librt, that's glibc. That means you need it to bootstrap dpkg itself.
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16:27<chabbat>tu kien eres
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16:29<Daemon404>so uh, i may have missed earlier convo
16:29<Daemon404>why not just use debootstrap (if you arent)
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16:33<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. I have a system that's lvm on software raid1 that I have need to reinstall grub on (longish story). Bottom line is that having chrooted and, I thought successfully, reinstalled grub to all drives, it still does not successfully load. I Think the reason for this is that the first raid does not come up, though I also get warning about cdrom not being loaded and so forth too. Can anyone....
16:33<ComradeHaz`>help please? Been trying to do this for over 5 hours. :'(
16:33<ComradeHaz`>This looks promising but it tells me I need procfs mounted, but I cannot work out how to do that.
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16:43<NoxDaFox>evening everybody. just trying to write a simple module in python but I'm a bit stuck with a really stupid problm... is there someone who coul help?
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16:45<crd>ComradeHaz`: mount -o bind /proc /path/to/chroot/proc
16:46<crd>wait no, that's for /dev, you'd use something like mount -t proc /path/to/chroot/proc for proc
16:47<NoxDaFox>I'm not able to write in any way to files contained in sys dir... I just would like to adjust laptop brightness programmatically.
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16:47<NoxDaFox>with a simple python program
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16:48<NoxDaFox>but if I launch it, with root privileges off course, I get the IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor error
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16:50<valdyn>NoxDaFox: this is not a pyton programming channel
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16:51<NoxDaFox>I know that, my question is not a python specifical, just asking if someone know how to access to a system file programmatically
16:52<NoxDaFox>not using a syscall I mean...
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17:01<NoxDaFox>found thx anyway
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17:09<ComradeHaz`>crd, thanks
17:10<arri>apologies for stirring-up my some old issue ;) i still haven't got a clue.. anyway, a very simple (?) question: what possible locations (config-files, state of running binaries etc..) would i want to search if i have an very strange network-error on 1 particular interface, and only TO one particular host/ip???
17:10<crd>no problem ComradeHaz`
17:10<ComradeHaz`>Already got that, though
17:10<ComradeHaz`>Think I might be winning
17:10<ComradeHaz`>thinnk I keep making mistakes though
17:10<crd>eh, you'll get the hang of it eventually.
17:10<ComradeHaz`>Actually starting to get really really frustrated
17:11<ComradeHaz`>Have literally been battling this issue for over 5 hours
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17:11<crd>that's when you start making bad decisions, put it down and come back to it later
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17:11<ComradeHaz`>I just wish I could get my usual friend to ssh in and do his magic :D
17:12<ComradeHaz`>Sadly he's away at the moment!
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17:12<crd>I wish I had a friend who knew how to set up an SSH server for me to get in on!
17:12<ComradeHaz`>Hahaha :D
17:13<ComradeHaz`>I can manage that, at least!
17:13<arri>i'm asking, because there is a complete block between that 1 NIC/ip on my server and my home network. what i don't get, why only this exact connection? they both can connect to the rest of the world just fine.
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17:14<crd>I know one guy who could mod the hell out of your Crysis install but put a command line in front of him and tell him how to get documentation and he just blanks. It's kinda frustrating.
17:14<ComradeHaz`>crd: aye, know what you mean
17:15<crd>meanwhile i'm sat here in front of tmux/irssi/bitlbee/mutt/mplayer and if you asked me to mod a game of solitaire i'd fall over my own feet :L
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17:17<ComradeHaz`>hehe, sounds about right
17:17<ComradeHaz`>!praise tmux & irssi
17:17*dpkg prostrates herself before tmux & irssi. "Can I have your baby, tmux & irssi?"
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17:18<crd>that sounds more like a threat of kidnap than a praise!
17:18<ComradeHaz`>hehe, if you knew our bot over on quakenet
17:18<ComradeHaz`>Her name is ComradeBob.
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17:19<ComradeHaz`>She's a raving lesbian that has a fetish for baby hamsters.
17:19<crd>Oh Amanda you must be so confused right now!
17:20<ComradeHaz`>Cue: "Hi I'm Timmy, I'm 7 and what's a lesbian"
17:20<amanda> jjaaaj
17:20<amanda> what do you say thath im confused?
17:21<ComradeHaz`>crd: how would I mount sysfs?
17:21<arri>oh, that not ok? tmux and irssi;?
17:22<ComradeHaz`>tmux and irssi rock.
17:22<crd>mount -t sysfs /sys i think
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17:22<ComradeHaz`>I imagine, though I don't, together they would make quite a team
17:22<crd>or mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys
17:23<crd>they are quite a spectacular combo
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17:23<crd>throw bitlbee into the mix and you'll never need another client
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17:23<ComradeHaz`>Never used bitblee
17:23<arri>huhu..i asked since i'm looking at for about 26 hrs nonstop..
17:24<ComradeHaz`>Once i get this bloody install booting I'll take a look
17:24<crd>it's really quite slick
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17:24<ComradeHaz`>Can you have different irssi windows in different tmux panes?
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17:25<crd>definitely recommend it if you prefer sitting in front of tty1 rather than :0.0
17:25<crd>only reason i have X on this machine is for when w3m doesn't cut it and i need to fire up chromium
17:27<ComradeHaz`>getting annoyed
17:27<ComradeHaz`>should I be mounting sysfs from inside or outside the chroot?
17:27<Golfgeo>Hi all
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17:28<crd>i think...
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17:28<crd>and if that doesn't work...
17:28<crd>inside :L
17:28<Golfgeo>looking for a good example of a iptables firewall script that deals with things like ISP dynamic ip and ICMP limitation... An example I can use for building my own firewall
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17:29<Golfgeo>oh yea, it should be an example aimed at a router :-D
17:30<ComradeHaz`>crd, and you think it's systfs sysfs /mnt/pointofroot ??
17:30<ComradeHaz`>mount -t systfs sysfs /mnt/pointofroot ??
17:30<jhutchins_lt>Golfgeo: Check out the IPMASQUERADE HOWTO on
17:30<crd>mount -t sysfs sysfs /path/to/chroot/sys/
17:30<jhutchins_lt>Golfgeo: If you need more than that, follow the links to the author's web site where had has a much more thorough guide available,
17:30<Golfgeo>jhutchins Will do, thanks mate :-)
17:31<Golfgeo>ah, great :-)
17:31<jhutchins_lt>That's how I got my start in Linux - auto-dial-up routers.
17:31<jhutchins_lt>Usually built on an old XT.
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17:31<ComradeHaz`>crd: mind if I pm you 3 lines?
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17:33<ComradeHaz`>Guess he does :D
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17:35<tables>i need a doc, for the best way to upgrade lenny to squeeze
17:35<SynrG>just sent it to you :)
17:35<SynrG>if you run into trouble, ask here
17:36<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, how do I mount /dev propery when chrooting?
17:36<Golfgeo>jhutchins_lt: Yep, that's something interesting indeed :-) Thanks mate! :-D
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17:48<Bushmills>ComradeHaz`: mount --bind
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17:49<ComradeHaz`>thanks Bushmills, *just* got it.
17:49<ComradeHaz`>I am stuck again though
17:50<ComradeHaz`>The guide says to rebuilt initramfs
17:50<ComradeHaz`>How do I do that?
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17:53<ComradeHaz`>Apparently I run update-initramfs -uv -k $yourkernelversion
17:53<ComradeHaz`>But what exactly is my kernel version?
17:53<ComradeHaz`>just the bit?
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17:57<ComradeHaz`>The trouble is, the kernel that it sees is the one running on the live cd, not the one on the chrooted system.
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17:59<themill>ComradeHaz`: the man page has examples -- they're using "uname -r" there.
17:59<ComradeHaz`>themill, I have seen
17:59<ComradeHaz`>but note my previous comment
17:59<ComradeHaz`>uname -r returns the kernel of the live cd
18:00<ComradeHaz`>NOT, the chrooted system
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18:00<themill>sure, so you obviously need to use uname -r of the kernel you want
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18:00<ComradeHaz`>How do I do that then?
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18:01<ComradeHaz`>Have I not mounted / chrooted properly?
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18:07<buntu>hey can anyone tell me how to save my hda analyzer settings on boot?
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18:08<streuner>hda analyzer settings sounds to me more like smartcontrol
18:10<ComradeHaz`>themill, if you're able to elaborate I would MASSIVELY appreciate it. I've been at this for over six hours now and am becoming very frustrated. :(
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18:10<themill>ComradeHaz`: I don't know what it is you're trying to do... have you bind-mounted /dev into the chroot?
18:11<ComradeHaz`>themill, yep
18:11<themill>(I assume you're trying to fix grub here... or are you just playing with initramfs)
18:11<ComradeHaz`>The former. Using
18:12<ComradeHaz`>as a guide. I do have lvm on raid. That includes boot and root.
18:12<ComradeHaz`>boot, usr, var now all mounted from within the chroot
18:14<themill>I'm not sure what bit you're stuck on then
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18:14<ComradeHaz`>How I specify my kernel as it doesn't seem to see it.
18:14<ComradeHaz`>As I say, uname returns the kernel of the live cd not the chrooted one.
18:15<ComradeHaz`>I guess that's obvious, but also no good.
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18:15<themill>"update-initramfs -uv -k $yourkernelversion" where $yourkernelversion is the "uname -r" of the kernel that is in the chroot
18:16<ComradeHaz`>I know, but I do not know exactly what that is
18:16<themill>ls /lib/modules
18:16<ComradeHaz`>vmlinuz-3.0.0-1-amd64 is in /boot on the chrooted machine
18:16<ComradeHaz`>but that's not the name of it, is it.
18:16<ComradeHaz`>is it just the last bit?
18:17<ComradeHaz`>so "update-initramfs -uv -k $" ???
18:17<ComradeHaz`>or do I drop the $
18:17<themill>thing about it....
18:18<ComradeHaz`>what does that mean?
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18:18<themill>why would you want $3 there... what does $ mean to your shell?
18:19<ComradeHaz`>I honestly don't know.
18:19<ComradeHaz`>Does it mean something special?
18:20<themill>you've been around the block enough times to know that $something means the value of the "something" variable to the shell. try "echo $PATH".
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18:24<ComradeHaz`>You know that had totally escaped me
18:24<ComradeHaz`>OK, I think that ran
18:24<ComradeHaz`>got another issue now though
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18:25<ComradeHaz`>update-grub throws: /var/lock/lvm: mkdir failed: No such file or directory. File-based locking initialisation failed.
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18:37<jhutchins_lt>lvm wins again
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18:39<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins_lt: can you help, at all?
18:40<jhutchins_lt>Nope, wouldn't touch lvm with a 10 meter Pole.
18:40<ComradeHaz`>love the capital on Pole
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18:40<ComradeHaz`>That's one tall Polish person ;)
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18:47<pron>im trying to get rid of: /usr/lib/ no version information available (required by /usr/lib/
18:47<pron>i compiled sasl fromsources with some patches
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18:48<pron>as far i understand the is missing some kind of stuff ( version symbols? ), is there a simple way of adding them?
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18:53<jhutchins_lt>pron: Did you have a question on getting sasl working in Debian?
18:54<nifiona>Which channel is the pkg dev channel?
18:54<dpkg>methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
18:54<cthuluh>compiling libsasl on debian, wow. plus, stuffing it in /usr... nice
18:54<jhutchins_lt>pron: If you rebuild the debian package and install it, it should find the correct dependencies.
18:55<pron>yeah but debian source package does not have patch i need, and actualy does not build on lenny
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18:56<jhutchins_lt>pron: Then fix THAT.
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18:57<pron>sasl debian package is a little bit complicated for me ~.~
18:57<pron>i just thought there is someone that can explain me about those version symbols :}
18:57<jhutchins_lt>pron: It might seem like the long way around, but down the road you'll be glad you did it the right way instead of kludging it. Even if it's for a personal system you might find it useful knowledge in the future.
18:58<retrospectacus>!tell pron about package recompile
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18:58<pron>well on that box only one software is using that sasl actualy , and that software is going to be built form source too
18:58<pron>i just wanted to stop those annoying errors :}
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19:01<pron>jhutchins_lt: yeah i understand your point of view, and im actualy reading trought all theat packaging docs , but it takes alittle bit more time to understand all that dh_ stuff :}
19:02<streuner>is that a production server?
19:03<pron>nope its test server
19:03<pron>actualy there are atm 3 of them
19:03<pron>all the cyrus stuff
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19:03<pron>with some patches
19:04<pron>atm need to add some functionality , and test it
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19:55<Screwba>heya gang quick question
19:56<Screwba>if I want to have a script run at boot time, should I use update-rc.d
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19:56<Screwba>it is just a configuration script which sets some stuff in the OS during boot time so it is available to the users session
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19:57<Screwba>also, if I do us update-rc.d, should I write start/restart sections for the script even though it is not a daemon and/or it does not continue to run?
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20:03<ptr>Good afternoon. I'm trying to set up an internal partial debian mirror using debmirror, and debmirror is exiting after 404ing on a number of gziped files from ...../Packages.diff/. My output is here: Any idea what's going on?
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20:23<Screwba>of all the people here, nobody can/could answer my question?
20:23<Screwba>is anyone around
20:24*Screwba knocks on the door REALLY LOUD...
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20:27<cthuluh>Screwba: just use /etc/rc.local
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20:37<rsmith_>what's the path for the old /proc/ide in the newer kernels?
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20:39<jojo>can any one here help me
20:39<rsmith_>jojo: you answer my question; I'll answer yours :)
20:39<jojo>ok that good of you
20:39<rsmith_>what's the path for the old /proc/ide in the newer kernels?
20:40<jojo>i wanted my internet to be like this i follow all the instruction but no success, :
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20:41<jojo><rsmith_>i wanted my internet to be like this i follow all the instruction but no success, :
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20:48<ptr>Hi, folks. So, I'm trying to set up an internal partial debian mirror using debmirror, and debmirror is exiting after 404ing on a number of gziped files from ...../Packages.diff/. My output is here: Any idea what's going on?
20:48<jojo>no one answer me
20:49<jojo>any one here who can help me
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20:50<rsmith_>jojo: aren't you just trolling?
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21:10<ejb>Having some trouble installing eclipse on sid...
21:11<ejb> says it's been addressed?
21:11<ejb>Should I just use the package straight from the eclipse site?
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21:25<chealer>ejb: more or less, the report's topic was modified from the original issue. The original issue has basically been declared invalid.
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21:30<navysealltblue>I went to use octave, and have been having problems, researched it online, and found that its a problem with the package libatlas being of a different instruction set, in lenny, the atlas package had different versions for each instruction set, but squeeze does not, on the package page for squeeze, it talks about making your own package if you need to remedy it... Any advice on where to look for said information about customizing a package to your ar
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21:31<sney>!package recompile
21:31<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
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21:31<navysealltblue>thanks sney
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21:42<jack>hi anyone know how to convert a large file from ascii text to ascii programme c++ text?
21:43<jack>is any tools to make it?
21:45<rjsalts>jack: what is ascii programme c++ text?
21:46<jack>i've no idea, it showed by the command "file"
21:46<tensorpudding>what is it you actually want to do
21:47<jack>i've a large txt file, but i could not be recognized by another programme
21:48<tensorpudding>be more clear, recognized how?
21:48<jack>such as vim
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21:49<tensorpudding>vim is a text editor, it will work on any text file
21:49<jack>but the file could be read by more or cat
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21:49<tensorpudding>more and cat work on any text file
21:50<jack>yes,they works on this file too
21:50<tensorpudding>you still aren't clear what you mean by recognized
21:51<jack>when i try to vim this file ,it shows like a new file
21:51<jack>but it exists
21:51<tensorpudding>that's strange
21:51<tensorpudding>does it give an error
21:51<tensorpudding>do you have the path right
21:51<jack>no error
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21:52<jack>path and name is absolute right
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21:53<tensorpudding>are the permissions right?
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21:53<jack>yes the permission is 644
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21:54<tensorpudding>are you the owner?
21:54<jack>yes i'm the owner
21:55<jack>i doubt that reason is the code,because i compare to the other file
21:55<tensorpudding>that's pretty weird
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21:57<jack>do you have any idea?
21:58<fingerwizard>Have you tried any other editors or checked VIM's plugin's? I'm not a VIM user, it's the best I can come up with.
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22:00<jack>i've tried another editors or vim's plugin. it works.
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22:01<jack>but my large file must be used by the another programme
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22:02<jack>not just vim
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22:02<jack>so i want to finish it completely
22:03<jack>change the code from ascii text to ascii programme c++ text
22:04<jack>but the tools(iconv and recode) doesn't work with large files
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22:14<tensorpudding>jack: wait, you think it's an encoding problem?
22:14<jack>yes i think so
22:14<tensorpudding>they're both ascii
22:14<tensorpudding>also i'm pretty sure vim handles encoding
22:15<jack>i know ,i want to convert it to see the result
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22:15<jack>at first the large file could not read by the third party programme
22:16<tensorpudding>third party program?
22:16<tensorpudding>what exactly do you mean
22:16<tensorpudding>first you were just talking about editing in vim
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22:17<jack>yes, maybe my explaination is too confuse
22:18<jack>it could be fixed by the plugin of vim
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22:18<th>what plugin?
22:19<jack>large file plugin of vim
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22:19<tensorpudding>how big are we talking?
22:19<tensorpudding>i've seen vim handles tens of thousands of lines
22:20<jack>almost 4.7G
22:20<tensorpudding>so for vim to completely choke it'd have to be massive
22:20<tensorpudding>okay, 4.7 G of text is massive
22:20<tensorpudding>i'm going to guess it's a rainbow table?
22:20<jack>yes it is
22:20<jack>you are right
22:20<tensorpudding>those aren't really meant to be hand-edited
22:20<tensorpudding>because you can't even put the whole thing in memory
22:21<tensorpudding>you'd have better luck using sed to match lines
22:23<jack>you mean devide the file into many files?
22:23<tensorpudding>i mean, using a script to edit the file by line number
22:24<amitz>oh nice, sed doesn't load everything to memory. can i load file from the bottom, or impossible by design?
22:24<jack>could you give me a script?i know nothing about that
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22:25<tensorpudding>i don't have any idea what you actually intend to do
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22:26<tensorpudding>i'm just saying, you should try and write a shell script to do it, and edit the file using sed or some other scriptable tool for editing text
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22:27<jack>thanks for giving me the direction
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23:12<infoLoco>Hello, what is the difference between propietary vs free/openSource driver?
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23:16<wols_>"proprietary" = closed source, no source available. you are at the mercy of the hardware maker and his support. kernel is tainted and no one will debug your issues you then get
23:17<infoLoco>wols_:TY FYI
23:17<wols_>on the upside: 3D acceleration is faster than with the Free drivers
23:19<infoLoco>wols_: I have weird lines on my screen, do you know what kind of drivers are on my PC?
23:20<NickMind>Hello all, I have one user with one application that needs to run the application using a different user account. So we set him up with a icon on his desktop that run "gksudo app". But the user keeps forgeting the password to the account. Is there a way to pass the password to gksudo over command line?
23:20<wols_>how would we know. we don't see your PC. check your Xorg.0.log. or even the glxinfo output
23:21<wols_>NickMind: no. you set up the sudoers file correctly to not need a password
23:21<wols_>you can even run the app as a different user by default. suid permissions bit
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23:23<NickMind>wols_: Ok so i found that solution. But wanted to know if there was a way to pass on command line. Thanks for the answer
23:24<wols_>have you checked man gksudo?
23:25<NickMind>wols_: yes.
23:26<wols_>if it's not there...
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23:28<ptr>Hi, folks. So, I'm trying to set up an internal partial debian mirror using debmirror, and debmirror is exiting after 404ing on a number of gziped files from ...../Packages.diff/. My output is here: Any idea what's going on?
23:28<NickMind>nothing is in there. But lots more questions. Like gksudo running app in sudo mode, I know how to pass the password to sudo on command line, but does not work for gui apps.
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23:39<amitz>ptr: aptcacher-ng :-p
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