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---Logopened Thu Sep 29 00:00:06 2011
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00:06<eightyeight>for, the contents of that file should be found in the './debian/' directory of the source tree, yes?
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00:07<eightyeight>i'm getting 'cp: cannot stat `AUTHORS': No such file or directory', yet it's right there
00:08<eightyeight>nevermind. wrong path. ツ
00:09<lunar>nice smiley, in any case.
00:12<eightyeight>japanese katakana 'tsu' if you're interested
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00:14<lunar>ahh... it only shows up in Y-Chat for me, just a blob in vim
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00:16<Planet8>Why the hell is there no fsck when booting debian into recovery mode?
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00:25<lunar>hmm... why register a channel if it's going to be empty for 3 years?
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00:27<Planet8>Let me try another way: I boot into recovery mode on a drive that has gone read only. It needs a filesystem check. There is no fsck, what do I do? It's not possible to boot the system from an extensive cdrom/usb.
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00:28<lunar>Perhaps run a LiveCD and use fsck on it?
00:28<lunar>(the drive, not the CD)
00:28<Planet8>not possible, there is no dvd, cd or usb drive.
00:29<Planet8>I don't get this. There is "cat" "unzip" and all other commands available in recovery mode, but one of the most important commands like fsck isn't there!
00:29<lunar>I think there's a setting in, umm, fstab, that determines whether the drive gets a fsck
00:30<lunar>but as to recovery mode lacking it, perhaps opening that door would have ppl asking for filesystem tools for other types, like reiser (duck), xfs, jfs, etc.
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00:30<lunar>I'm just speculating, and only because the channel is dead quiet. ;)
00:31<lunar>Planet8, so it's a single hard drive
00:33<Planet8>I would think the standard filesystem would have a standard tool like fsck in recovery mode. When there is a problem with the drive (perhaps it lost power), it sometimes goes into read only mode and cant boot until it has been checked. But it's not possible to check the drive in recovery mode. In this case I need to remove the freaking disk from the machine and connect it somewhere else to check it. That's a pain in the ... !
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00:35<lunar>yes, and my solution was going to be, install another drive (temporarily) in the machine, and do it that way. but I understand your concern. there must be some way to allow it, though. I wonder if it's a distro- or version-specific situation. it's too bad nobody else is responding, like the people who could recite code backwards
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00:48<eightyeight>hmm. i'm signing my package with a subkey of my public key, and uploading to fails, saying the signature is bad, even though i've uploaded my key using dput(1)
00:48<eightyeight>any ideas?
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00:59<David>oh hey there it is
00:59<eightyeight>it appears that it only signs the .dsc and .changes files. is this correct? running 'gpg --verify' on both files show a valid signature
00:59<eightyeight>so, what am i missing?
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01:02<Guest11913>how do i change my nickname?
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01:05<Guest11913>how do i change my nickname?
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01:05<Guest11913>no one? seriously?
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01:06<eightyeight>/msg NickServ
01:07<Burnward>nope /'nick <name>
01:07<Burnward>thanks anyway
01:07<Burnward>google tells me things
01:08<eightyeight>well, it's obvious you haven't identified. so, rather than spam the channel with nick changes, identify first, then change with '/nic'
01:08<Burnward>wel i have now so im fine thx
01:09<Burnward>*have it
01:09<Burnward>also it's rather obvious this channel is full of dicks so kthxbai
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01:21<antonio>hi men!! i need to install mysql on my debian, who can help me?
01:22<wols>apt-get install mysql-server
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01:25<antonio>i know but i get errors when i try to connect for create a database
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01:25<antonio>wols, can you help me? :)
01:25<wols>!tell antonio about errors
01:26<wols>best, read this:
01:26<antonio>Could not connect to host 'debian'.
01:26<antonio>MySQL Error Nr. 2003
01:26<antonio>Can't connect to MySQL server on 'debian' (111)
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01:27<antonio>wols, did you read the error?
01:27<wols>did you read the link and the factoid I gave you?
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01:28<antonio>:) yes i know it
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01:28<jm_>it comes with a readme file which explains how to configure it
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01:33<wols>antonio: since you "know it", I suggest you start "acting it" too
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01:34<antonio>sorry wols
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03:31<wols>good morning
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03:36<KALRONG> hi, i have a probelm with my aptitude, when i try to install whatever it give me some errors with python (I know i have messed the packages python-apt and apt-listchanges) it says file
03:36<KALRONG> "/usr/lib/python2.6/" line 1258 in module import binascii as _binascii importerror no module named binascii
03:37<wols>how have you messed up your python exactly?
03:37<KALRONG>trying to instal renpy :(
03:37<chaosIrssi>is there a tool to see current net traffic?
03:37<wols>binascii is part of the python standard lib
03:38<wols>chaosIrssi: iptraf, ntop and lots of others
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03:38<KALRONG>I donwloaded the .deb package form the debian website and it installed ok but still the same problem
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03:38<chaosIrssi>wols: cool and which one is console based? :)
03:38<wols>chaosIrssi: both
03:39<chaosIrssi>thx :)
03:40<KALRONG>also i tried to remove python to reinstall it but there are a lot of dependencies and it doesnt allow me
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03:41<wols>how did you try to reinstall it?
03:42<KALRONG>aptitude remove and with dpkg -P
03:42<wols>neither of those installs anything, thoes commands remove. use apt-get reinstall for example
03:43<wols>and you still haven't told us how you actually broke your python. which might be important for fixing it again
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03:44<KALRONG>It was installing renpy, I downloaded the dependencies and when I built them looks like it touched something in python
03:44<KALRONG>actually it installed another zlib but i also downloaded and installed the zlib from the debian website
03:45<wols>we need specifics. stuff like "downloaded the dependencies" is meaningless for us. please be exact in what you actually did
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03:47<KALRONG>I downloaded the renpy-deps.tar.bz2 from renpy's website, uncompress it, and run and then, after that I downloaded the renpy-6.12.tar.bz2 from renpy's website and uncompress it and run python, nothing else, and thats exactly step by step what i did
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03:47<wols>,versions renpy
03:47<judd>Package: renpy on i386 -- lenny: 6.6.2.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 6.10.2.dfsg1-1; sid: 6.12.2-1; wheezy: 6.12.2-1
03:47<wols>next time, please do a backport
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03:48<wols>so what did the reinstall do?
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03:48<KALRONG>apt-get reinstall python doesnt recognize reinstall
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03:48<Ping>int lireEntier()
03:48<Ping> int entierLu;
03:48<Ping> int nbEntiersLus;
03:48<Ping> char videTampon;
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03:49<wols>KALRONG: aptitude does. and you did more than just that, cause you said something about zlib?
03:50<KALRONG>yes, because i just saw a zlib.tar.gz file in the renpy-deps folder
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03:52<KALRONG>wols im copying the whole error to this computer from the other one (the other one doesnt have internet)
03:53<mrw>how did you install all this stuff if the other computer doesn't have internet access
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03:53<KALRONG>moving the network cable when needed
03:56<wols>I strongly suggest to use dpkg only to fix this mess, not apt-get anymore
03:57<KALRONG>thats what i was trying but dpkg send the same error you can see there
03:57<mrw>does he have a sane python .deb though?
03:57<wols>I'd start with reinstalling (via dpkg only!) libpython2.6 python2.6 python2.6-minimal
03:57<wols>well, that python "all" package he tried to install looks normal. but it was of course the wrong package
03:57<KALRONG>I have the python2.6_2.6.6-8+b1_amd64.deb package downloaded
03:59<KALRONG>If its of any use im using the kernel 2.6.38 from the backports
03:59<wols>that's irrelevant
03:59<KALRONG>well, just in case, so, what i need to download if that package is the wrong one?
04:00<wols>I just gave you 3 package names
04:00<KALRONG>oh, sorry
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04:01<KALRONG>any order in the installation?
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04:04<KALRONG>done in this order, python2.6, python2.6-minimal, libpython2.6
04:04<KALRONG>looks like fixed
04:04<KALRONG>it now configured the ones that previously failed
04:05<wols>please use a backport for renpy. /msg dpkg ssb
04:06<KALRONG>tfi, noob of me never thought about looking if renpy was in the repos ....
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04:07<Golfgeo>Hi all :-)
04:07<KALRONG>wols mrw thanks a lot for your help ^o^ Im connecting the network cable to the other one, see you and hopefully not for another problem :P
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04:08<Golfgeo>Anyone know of a great howto, to get virtualbox running on a headless server (Debian stable)?
04:09<wols>Golfgeo: how hard is it to apt-get install virtualbox-ose (or whatever the package name is)?
04:09<Golfgeo>wols, that isn't the problem... the problem is that X is pulled in too... And Since there is no need for X on that server...
04:10<Golfgeo>Read posts on fora and saw scripts posted there, but need a version that simply works...
04:10<wols>Golfgeo: X server or X client libs?
04:10<Golfgeo>wols X server
04:11<wols>Golfgeo: disable recommends then
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04:13<Golfgeo>wols, that might indeed be a possibility, checking the depend on the install right now and... x11-common is pulled in on stable
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04:14<Golfgeo>wondering what mixed version of Debian I'm running on my personal server where I checked the depends first...
04:14<Golfgeo>oh well
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04:16<wols>Golfgeo: x11-common is not a X server...
04:17<Golfgeo>wols, I know :-D
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04:17<Golfgeo>wols, I wonder why there are all those scripts flowting arround then, but what the hell :-)
04:17<Golfgeo>Thanks mate :-)
04:18<wols>cause these people have no clue?
04:18<Golfgeo>That might be the case indeed :-)
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05:32<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Having some issues with a machine that's had a change of NIC with domain name resolution and also network file system not loading successfully. Can anyone advise what I can check?
05:32<petemc> /etc/resolv.conf for dns
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05:35<wolfgangsz|2>what does "sudo ifconfig" show?
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05:42<ComradeHaz`>wolfgangsz|2: it all lookks goo
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05:44<ComradeHaz`>petemc: resolvconf contains nothing other than that it's generated by network manager
05:45<wolfgangsz|2>Then your DHCP server isn't giving you the necessary details. Do you have an IP address on the connected interface?
05:45<ComradeHaz`>Although actually I can't ssh it now either.
05:46<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, it's statically assigned
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05:46<wolfgangsz|2>If you assign an IP address statically, then you have to configure /etc/resolv.conf manuallry with the correct settings.
05:47<ComradeHaz`>I'd show you the /etc/network/interfaces file if I could
05:47<bittin-> Hello, iam trying to install an Logitech Quickcam Express webcam with volume id 046d:0870 in Debian what do i want?
05:47<ComradeHaz`>wolfgangsz|2: Can it not be specified in the interfaces file?
05:47<wolfgangsz|2>ComradeHaz: can you not acquire an address via DHCP?
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05:48<ComradeHaz`>Umm, I suppose I could these days. This used to be my DHCP server as well as everything else
05:48<ComradeHaz`>I've been using my ADSL router recently, so I suppose I could
05:49<ComradeHaz`>Let's try that.
05:49<wolfgangsz|2>That would make life a lot easier.
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05:56<ComradeHaz`>Looking better
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05:57<ComradeHaz`>Now, I purged nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common, but it left the file /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs
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05:57<wolfgangsz|2>Let's start with the basics. Does /etc/resolv.conf now contain the correct settings?
05:58<ComradeHaz`>Yes. Resolving is now fine. :)
05:58<ComradeHaz`>Thanks for that. I don't know why I was still pushing for static.
05:58<wolfgangsz|2>Don't worry about the leftover file. It won't get used if nfs-common isn't installed.
05:59<ComradeHaz`>Well, I want to install it.
05:59<ComradeHaz`>but it was getting used
05:59<wolfgangsz|2>OK, so what's the problem with that?
05:59<ComradeHaz`>when I restarted networking it was throwing errors about nfs not being installed, essentially.
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06:01<wols>then reinstall your nfs packages?
06:01<ComradeHaz`>I was about to elaborate: the file, of course, was created before when I had static IPing. and it was reporting a syntax error. Something about [:space:] instead of [[:space]]
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06:01<ComradeHaz`>I corrected it, and have now moved the file out.
06:02<ComradeHaz`>Am I right to assume that file is created by installing nfs-kernel-server and it will be fine to just let that happen?
06:02<wolfgangsz|2>that file is a shell script that will try to mount your NFS shares if any are defined in /etc/fstab. Do you have any NFS shares defined in there?
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06:03<wolfgangsz|2>Well, then of course, you must have NFS installed, else it won't work. Alternatively, remove the NFS share definitions from /etc/fstab
06:04<ComradeHaz`>Sure, I do want them, I removed it as part of the diagnosis process as it was throwing loads of errors clouding the issue
06:05<wolfgangsz|2>OK, so reinstall the NFS packages, make sure the NFS share is actually available and mountable, and then try to manually mount them. If that works, you should be able to restart networking and the shares should mount automatically.
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06:05<ComradeHaz`>The thing is installing nfs-kernel-server doesn't recreate the file
06:06<wolfgangsz|2>Did you delete it or just move it out of the way?
06:06<ComradeHaz`>move it
06:06<wolfgangsz|2>Then move it back.
06:06<ComradeHaz`>I can pop it back
06:06<ComradeHaz`>That change I mentioned, any idea what that's about
06:06<wolfgangsz|2>which change?
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06:07<ComradeHaz`>it had [:space:] instead of [[:space]] which ifup was moaning about
06:07<wolfgangsz|2>Hmm, not sure, would have to google that.
06:09<ComradeHaz`>I'm not sure which is correct, even after reading that.
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06:09<ComradeHaz`>There's suggestion it's a grep bug
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06:11<ComradeHaz`>Is there a way I can test if nfs is working locally?
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06:12<wols>sure: mount a nfs share locally
06:14<wolfgangsz|2>The man page is quite clear about this: the double square brackets are required.
06:15<ComradeHaz`>OK, well that's what I changed it to.
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06:17<wolfgangsz|2>Hmm, the funny thing is that if I copy that line out of mountnfs and execute it in a shell, it actually works without the double square brackets. Strange...
06:18<wolfgangsz|2>what version of grep are you running?
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06:18<ComradeHaz`>It works, it just moans
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06:18<ComradeHaz`>2.9, though
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06:19<wolfgangsz|2>Hmm, I am running 2.6.3 (squeeze). Might worth having a look at the changes between these versions
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06:20<ComradeHaz`>Aye, looks like it's a minor bug
06:20<ComradeHaz`>but also looks like it's reported
06:20<Guest11940>help ,pentium 4 1,8mhz 512mg memoria nao instala adobe no lubuntu
06:21<Guest11940>navegador chromium
06:21<ComradeHaz`>Guest11 #ubuntu
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06:21<ComradeHaz`>Guest11 #ubuntu on freenode
06:21<Guest11940>yes lubuntu lxde
06:21<ComradeHaz`>This is the #debian channel.
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06:21<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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06:22<Guest11940>thank vou procurar
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06:28<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, don't suppose any of you know how etckeeper works do you?
06:28<ComradeHaz`>It seems I stupidly purged my exports file
06:28<ComradeHaz`>(my proper backups aren't available right now)
06:29<wolfgangsz|2>that's what I call being up the creek without a paddle.
06:29<ComradeHaz`>No, they're safe
06:29<ComradeHaz`>just in the middle of a bit of a hardware move around.
06:30<wolfgangsz|2>OTOH, how hard can it be. Surely you can remember what you exported?
06:30<ComradeHaz`>I can't remember which options I used
06:30<ComradeHaz`>I remember what an where, but not the stuff in brackets
06:30<wolfgangsz|2>Right now this is just about testing that it actually works on startup, so just use the default options.
06:31<ComradeHaz`>So you don't know how etckeeper works then?
06:31<wols>ComradeHaz`: we don't care
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06:39<ComradeHaz`>I can't work out how I mount locally
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06:40<smokey>Good morning @ll
06:40<smokey>maybe someone can help?
06:40<wols>!tell smokey about anyone
06:41<smokey>I'm trying to start a program,
06:41<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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06:41<smokey>but it needs library's
06:42<smokey>which program I use, to trace which lib's are needed, and whre it looks for it?
06:42<smokey>tried trace, but that doesn't seems to wrk?
06:42<wols>smokey: can you please hit your enter key a LOT less? please?
06:43<smokey>yeah, su, sorry
06:43<wols>and the answer to your question is: ldd
06:43<jm_>smokey: man and find LD_DEBUG, but even ldd shall show it unless it's using dlopen or so
06:43<smokey>okay! Thx a lot!
06:43<jm_>uhm man, is solaris
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06:45<smokey>Yeah! That did the trick! Thanks @ll :-)
06:46<ComradeHaz`>Sorted it all.
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06:46<ComradeHaz`>Thanks for your help, guys :)
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07:45<zsolt>hi is it possible to query the default nameserver?don't want to get it from resolv.conf.I know,that linux is querying from somewhere,but want to know a command for that,because I write a network configuration script
07:45<jm_>zsolt: host -v or nslookup show it
07:46<zsolt>thank you
07:48<zsolt>ok,but I need to grep it than write it to a host -v or nslookup don't work in this way
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07:49<jm_>surely someone who's writing a configuration script would know how to achieve this
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07:51<zsolt>that's why I ask that,I don't know that,i just came to that channel to ask somebody
07:52<jm_>I recommend you read advanced bash scripting guide
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07:52<zsolt>thank you
07:52<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on and
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08:00<Roken>hey guys - I have an odd problem. I have a couple of scripts that run fine if run directly (./ but produce syntax errors if I run with sh Am I missing a package?
08:02<wols>Roken: do your scripts use bashisms?
08:02<Roken>Well, the failing scripts use tests - so yes
08:02<dpkg>Many people think all that is in bash is in sh and put #!/bin/sh to start their script with bash extensions instead of #!/bin/bash. From squeeze onwards, /bin/sh won't be bash but <dash>. See "checkbashisms" in the <devscripts> package -- you will need to either fix your scripts to only use real "sh" functionality (and leave them as #!/bin/sh) or change the first line to read #!/bin/bash.
08:03<Roken>I have them as #!/bin/bash
08:03<jm_>Roken: doing "sh foo" doesn't mean bash always runs them\
08:04<Roken>Hmmm. OK - guess I'll have to stick with my workaround :(
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08:08<kuLa>guys, I forgot how to check sha1 for confile for installed package, any hints?
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08:51<Max82fr>Hi guys im on the terminal and want to access my usb key directories.How do I do that pls???
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08:53<Max82fr>Hi guys im on the terminal and want to access my usb key directories.How do I do that pls???
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08:54<petemc>Max82fr: type mount
08:54<petemc>if they're mounted normally they should appear in the output of that
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08:55<Max82fr>if i do fdisk -l it gives me /dev/sdb1 for my usb! how to get there??
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08:55<petemc>mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
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08:57<Max82fr>but to go to the folder shouldn't it be: cd dev then cd sdb1 ??
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08:58<wolfgangsz|2>You can't use the device files directly. You have to mount them in a folder.
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08:58<Max82fr>ok and lets suppose Ive got a JPEGS folder on the usb, hopw can I get to it??
08:59<wolfgangsz|2>once you have mounted /dev/sdb1 on /mnt, you should be able to see the folder with "ls /mnt"
08:59<Max82fr>yeah in blue
08:59<Max82fr>then how do I get in the directory??
09:00<wolfgangsz|2>OK, then do "ls /mnt/JPEGS" and you'll see the contents. You're not much of a shell user, right?
09:01<Max82fr>nah, nothing
09:01<wolfgangsz|2>Well, you've got one hell of a learning curve coming your way.
09:01<wolfgangsz|2>You can change into that folder using "cd /mnt/JPEGS".
09:01<Max82fr>Im using backtrack 5, running from live cd and want to recover some jpeg to the USB key.
09:02<wolfgangsz|2>And then I would suggest you start reading man pages. Lots of them. And use "apropos <whatever>" to find man pages that could be of interest to you.
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09:03<babilen>!tell Max82fr -about bt4
09:04<babilen>Max82fr: You also want to ask in the backtrack channel as we only support Debian here. You are always welcome to install/try Debian and come here for support though.
09:05<babilen>Max82fr: But to give you something on the way: If you use a desktop environment such as Gnome the stick should be mounted automatically by nautilus. Check in your filemanager. Good luck and may you have a nice day.
09:05<Max82fr>well i don't think there's a backtrack channel. PLUS it's linux, so should work the same in terminal
09:05<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
09:06<themill>Max82fr: please take it to #backtrack-linux on; you may need to register to use that channel, "/msg nickserv help register" once you're on freenode.
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09:08<Max82fr>it worked with cd /mnt !! thanks Wolgangz!!!
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09:10<mattcen>Hi all. Is there official documentation somewhere explaining how to create and maintain your own .deb file(s)?
09:10<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see ,
09:10<mattcen>Ah cool, thanks wols.
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09:14<hermelin>hi folks, could anyone help me with package dependencies?
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09:17<Max82fr>themill > how do i msg nickserv???
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09:17<wolfgangsz|2>hermelin: what's the problem?
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09:19<Max82fr> themill > how do i msg nickserv???
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09:19<daemonkeeper>Don't prepend "themill >" but /msg :>
09:20<babilen>Max82fr: themill told you: <themill> ... "/msg nickserv help register" -- You have to do this on though and not here (i.e. OFTC)
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09:30*winsen is away: Occupé
09:31<wols>winsen: please disable that
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09:39<eightyeight>that's what i've been working on. thx for helping
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09:39<babilen>eightyeight: Ah, hi aaron :)
09:40<eightyeight>hello. ツ
09:40<babilen>eightyeight: Ok, you should really fix those lintian warnings. In particular does your package need to close an ITP (/msg dpkg itp) bug, which should be mentioned in the changelog.
09:41<eightyeight>no. if i took it out, it complained about it as well
09:41<eightyeight>saying that it must close a bug number. i figured seeing as though it was a first release, it could be ignored?
09:41<eightyeight>(if this is more appropriate in -mentors, i can move there)
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09:42<babilen>eightyeight: No, the first upload closes an ITP (intent to package) bug -- But I would also recommend to discuss this in #debian-mentors -- You might also want to look for a sponsor officially. Give me a second and I'll take a look at your package. Follow-Up in -mentors. :)
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09:43<eightyeight>i'm there
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09:46<babilen>!tell eightyeight -about itp
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09:47<petani>hi all
09:47<oxaqata>Can anyone tell meho to install the "Screen Resolution" app on XFCE? :)
09:48<wols>oxaqata: use xrandr?
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09:48<oxaqata>I will look into it
09:49<oxaqata>I'm using s graphics chip that MUST use default drivers and I want to lower my resolution but cant :(
09:49<wols>what driver do you use and what is in your Xorg.0.log?
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09:50<oxaqata>don't have a Xorg.0, tried to force it to make one with no luck
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09:51<wolfgangsz|2>oxaqata: wols is talking about the Xorg.0.log file in your home folder. Must be there if you tried starting X
09:51<oxaqata>oh ok :)
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09:52<zero_>does anyone know when is gnome3 coming to wheezy?
09:53<wols>!tell zero_ about wir
09:53<oxaqata>oh ok :)/ :)
09:53<wols>oxaqata: it's not in your /home directory but /var/log
09:53<wolfgangsz|2>Sorry, apologies, got the folder wrong
09:53<oxaqata>Got it
09:54<oxaqata>Got it/
09:54<oxaqata>which part do you need?
09:54<wols>all of it. use a pastebin
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10:07<gabrielegualco>hi all
10:08<gabrielegualco>i had some troubles some day ago about updating
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10:08<wynk>Hey there. I have a problem with exim. When i send a mail to my server it says "Unroutable address". But exim -bt tells me that everything is fine. How can i figure out what's wrong?
10:08<gabrielegualco>actually my squeeze was too full of repositories ubuntu mint and some more
10:09<gabrielegualco>i fixed up commenting mint and some of ubuntu
10:09<gabrielegualco>now upgrade quite well
10:09<gabrielegualco>the question is
10:09<gabrielegualco>debsums tells me that sudoers FAILED
10:09<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help.
10:09<bea>question: i have multiple client machines accessing an nfs server, user IDs are not consistent among these clients, hence ownership chaos on nfs server. is umask=002 (default being, i assume, 022) in fstab a viable solution?
10:09<koollman>gabrielegualco: sudoers, the file ? if you edited it, it's pretty normal
10:10<gabrielegualco>but just one thing
10:10<koollman>gabrielegualco: I mean /etc/sudoers
10:10<gabrielegualco>yes tha
10:10<gabrielegualco>i want to try to fix it up
10:10<koollman>gabrielegualco: well ... if you changed it or it comes from another package, yes, the checksum will be different
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10:10<gabrielegualco>the thing is that i can make intallations only as root
10:11<koollman>if you want to compare easily, mv /etc/sudoers{,.bak} , and aptitude reinstall sudo
10:11<gabrielegualco>how i can do it
10:11<koollman>I just said it.
10:11<koollman>then make a diff between /etc/sudoers.bak and /etc/sudoers
10:11<gabrielegualco>htat was the command line
10:11<gabrielegualco>i try
10:11<gabrielegualco>but that moves?
10:12<gabrielegualco>it will work after or i just send it away?
10:13<gabrielegualco>how i make diff?
10:13<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
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10:13<gabrielegualco>dpkg i have done that yet..
10:13<dpkg>gabrielegualco: i haven't a clue
10:13<babilen>gabrielegualco: But please make sure you run a pure Debian -- Your system very much sounds as if there is absolutely no way to support this frankensteinesque mix of distributions.
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10:14<babilen>gabrielegualco: Please note dpkg's remark about the "sudo" group
10:14<wynk>So if i send a mail ON the server via exim -v everything is fine. But if i send a mail from another server it will be rejected with "unroutable address"...
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10:15<gabrielegualco>sudo: unable to stat /etc/sudoers: File o directory non esistente
10:16<wynk>Any hints? :-(
10:17<gabrielegualco>how i can put back /etc/sudoers after mv?
10:17<gabrielegualco>there is not anymore :(
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10:21<gabrielegualco>i've made cp /etc/sudoers.bak /etc/sudoers
10:21<gabrielegualco>to bring it back..
10:23<wynk>Even verbose logging enabled doesn't help :-/
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10:25<gabrielegualco>i reinstalled sudo
10:25<gabrielegualco>it got it from testing/main sudo i386 1.8.2-1 [625 kB]
10:25<gabrielegualco>is that right?
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10:26<gabrielegualco>look i understand that i'm frankestein
10:27<gabrielegualco>but i just want to understand some things
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10:27<babilen>gabrielegualco: Which Debian version are you trying to run? Why can't you install it with your package manager? Please read "/msg dpkg confmiss" or/and "/msg dpkg confnew" -- Also paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy sudo" to
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10:27<gabrielegualco>i'm running squeeze
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10:28*babilen waits for the paste
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10:28<gabrielegualco>i paste it in a minute
10:28<oxaqata>Can someone help me with lowering my resolution? Here's my log:
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10:29<insigne>Estou sem midia player
10:30<gabrielegualco>here is the sources.list
10:31<gabrielegualco>Please read "/msg dpkg confmiss" or/and "/msg dpkg confnew" how i read this
10:31<insigne>Qual que eu abaixo
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10:31<babilen>gabrielegualco: wtf -- I don't need to see the rest. Please reinstall a pure Debian or try to get support in #linux on (but I doubt they are inclined to help you)
10:31<insigne>GNU linux 5.0
10:31<gabrielegualco>why you all are so cold!!
10:31<babilen>gabrielegualco: You execute those commands in your IRC client.
10:32<babilen>gabrielegualco: Because there is no way to support your mix-n-match Frankendebian.
10:32<gabrielegualco>in my irc client?
10:32<gabrielegualco>yes but i don't want you fix it up
10:33<gabrielegualco>i just want understand how can i move understanding
10:33<gabrielegualco>i mean next debian will be pure
10:33<gabrielegualco>i swear
10:33<insigne>1 passo
10:35<gabrielegualco>babilen i donì't understand what is my irc client.. you mean konversation?
10:35<insigne>Bem onde que eu vou no ICR CLIENT
10:36<gabrielegualco>sorry i speak italian not portugese
10:36<gabrielegualco>icr client
10:36<babilen>gabrielegualco: yes
10:36<gabrielegualco>where i find it?
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10:37<wolfgangsz|2>oxaqata: It seems your machine can't load the correct driver for the video card: "(WW) Warning, couldn't open module siliconmotion". You will need to identify the package and then re-install. Plus read up whether that package does actually support the model of video card in the machine.
10:37<gabrielegualco>ok where i do it?
10:37<babilen>gabrielegualco: In your IRC client.
10:38<babilen>!tell gabrielegualco -about irc tutorial
10:38<babilen>gabrielegualco: And please to not expect us to support your system. (seriously)
10:38<insigne>No gerenciador de pacote ok
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10:39<oxaqata>the available silicon motion driver causes X to crash (documented bug). Is it possible to lower my resolution on the default driver? :(
10:39<oxaqata>its 1024x600 and I need 800x600
10:40<wolfgangsz|2>Yes, but you will need to handcraft an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for that. There should be a file there, can you please check?
10:40<gabrielegualco>babilen i'm sorry but i can't folllow you
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10:40<gabrielegualco>dpkg sent me a link
10:40<dpkg>gabrielegualco: i don't know
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10:41<babilen>gabrielegualco: You have to type and execute "/msg dpkg confnew" in your IRC client. That is: You write it instead of your other sentences. And please take it somewhere else now. Thank you.
10:41<gabrielegualco>i'll try to read all the documentation as soon as possible
10:41<oxaqata>no xorg.conf unfortunately. I attemptd to force the creation of one
10:41<wynk>Could someone help me with my exim issues?
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10:41<wynk>Please :-)
10:42<oxaqata>is it possible to manually create one and copy it there?
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10:42<wolfgangsz|2>oxaqata: google around for a default file. Make sure you read the man page for xorg.conf, then make sure you remove the driver or specify the normal vga driver in the device section.
10:42<babilen>wynk: #exim on might
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10:43<wynk>babilen: i'll try that channel. thank you.
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10:43<babilen>oxaqata: What is your graphic card? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) Which driver are you using/trying to use? How do you configure it?
10:43<insigne>Qual e o pacote que eu marco para atualizar
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10:43<oxaqata>ok wolfgang thanks for your help, will see what I can find
10:43<wolfgangsz|2>oxqata: Finally specify a SubSection "Display" and define the allowed video modes in there. Details and examples can be found in the man page.
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10:44<oxaqata>its a silicon motion I use xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion
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10:44<insigne>estou ainda np gerenciador
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10:44<oxaqata>well I try to
10:44<oxaqata>theres a bug with it that crashes X
10:44<wolfgangsz|2>It might be the best to remove that package, so that it can't be loaded and has no chance of crashing X11.
10:45<oxaqata>yea I am running on defaults atthe moment
10:45<oxaqata>had to remove it to get into X
10:45<oxaqata>it magically selected the best res available and wont let me use a worse one haha
10:46<wolfgangsz|2>If you don't have a xorg.conf file in place, then X11 will guess the correct hardware and attempt to load the relevant drivers, which, in your case doesn't work, so you have to force it to use a standard driver by removing the driver. You should then be able to select a resolution. If not, create an xorg.conf file (must be root for that) and specify the resolution.
10:47<babilen>!tempty xorg.conf
10:47<Aketzu>Current temperature: Kilo: 12.3 °C (12.9 °C) Otaniemi: Kehä 1 11.8, JMT3 11.8 °C (1013.91 hPa)
10:47<babilen>!empty xorg.conf
10:47<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>, <xorg config lenny>.
10:47<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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10:48<wolfgangsz|2>babilen: thx, I am still quite new here and working out how to use this the best way.
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10:48<gabrielegualco>babilen thanks for harsh help
10:48<babilen>insigne: What is your native language? Can we help you with a Debian problem?
10:49<gabrielegualco>i understud something important today anyway
10:49<gabrielegualco>i'll be back making question with a debian pure, and won't bother with this one
10:50<gabrielegualco>may i ask something about installation? or i'm definitely banned? :)
10:50<babilen>gabrielegualco: Seriously: You would make it much easier to help and support you if you were using a supported system. Yours is not support and I will contribute *all* breakage to your wild mixing. Please decide which distribution you want to run and use *only* their repositories and do not mix various branches.
10:50<babilen>gabrielegualco: You are not banned -- If you have a question about installing Debian you can just ask it.
10:50<insigne>Eu não consigo acompanhar o seu raciocinio
10:51<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
10:51<babilen>insigne: ^^^^
10:51<gabrielegualco>ok that's what i need
10:51<insigne>assim esta melhor
10:51<babilen>insigne: Or speak English here.
10:51<insigne>espere ok
10:52<gabrielegualco>i would like to install it with kde sistem. i've installed gnome and after kde
10:52<gabrielegualco>how i can make it with a script starting from base server only? if it is a good question?
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10:52<babilen>!install kde4
10:52<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
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10:53<gabrielegualco>i've made here kde-full
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10:54<babilen>gabrielegualco: I typically just install a minimal system (i.e. just the standard task) and use smaller metapackages for desktop environments, but dpkg mentioned the various ways you can install a system with KDE. The easiest way is probably to use the CD1 with KDE or the netinstall where you have to select KDE as alternative desktop environment.
10:54<gabrielegualco>so it is good to install debian without nothing else and let go a bash script with adding backports repositories and desktop and few applications?
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10:54<gabrielegualco>or i make another frankenstein?
10:54<babilen>gabrielegualco: That really depends on the bash script -- I wouldn't deem that necessary.
10:55<babilen>gabrielegualco: Are you sure that there are KDE backports?
10:55<gabrielegualco>of course no
10:55<insigne> escreve para min ,como eu tenho que escrever no terminal ok
10:55<oxaqata>whats the best way to disable X so I can try force X
10:55<gabrielegualco>that's why i ask everythig
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10:56<oxaqata>*xorg -configur
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10:56<babilen>insigne: Please go to the #debian-pt or #debian-br channel with "/join #debian-br" if you want to speak Portuguese. Obrigado.
10:57<gabrielegualco>the bash usually starts with adding repositories (nedeed) and update and dist-upgrade and then installations
10:57<gabrielegualco>nothing special
10:57<gabrielegualco>so kde-full and what about cups?
10:58<babilen>gabrielegualco: What bash script from hell are you talking about? Executing that sounds like a horrible idea, but do you have a link or is it shipped by Debian? (I really doubt it, but meh)
10:58<gabrielegualco>no it's done by me :) no good?
10:58<babilen>Could you paste it to please?
10:59<gabrielegualco>no it's not done now
10:59<gabrielegualco>i have one that makes the frankenstein
10:59<insigne>gabriel eu não sei nada de inglês e também pouco disso aqui
10:59<babilen>Doesn't matter -- I just want to get an idea of what you are doing as your explanations sound as if you are just recreating another unsupportable Frankendebian.
10:59<gabrielegualco>insigne i don't speak portugese but i understand
10:59<insigne>Tem que ser passo a passo ok
10:59<gabrielegualco>you are not nice
11:00<babilen>insigne: /join #debian-pt
11:01<babilen>insigne: /join #debian-br
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11:01<gabrielegualco>babilen, this time i just want to make a bash that adds the necessery starting with the most basic debian server
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11:02<gabrielegualco>i'm asking you wich packages i have to let run from bash even with the basic debian repositories from basic installation
11:02<babilen>gabrielegualco: Why don't you use something like puppet for that? What are you trying to achieve? Apart from that I do not think that KDE belongs on a server, but YMMV
11:02<gabrielegualco>i'm not cleart
11:03<gabrielegualco>when you install debian from cd
11:03<babilen>gabrielegualco: What constitutes a basic Debian server? Just install the corresponding packages, which is not that hard. (apt-get install PKG0...PKGN)
11:03<gabrielegualco>you have at a certain point a tasksell
11:03<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
11:04<gabrielegualco>that ask you if you desire install desktop, preinter server, apache and other staff
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11:06<gabrielegualco>i would like to make everything adding from terminal or bash any package needed, just to learn what is needed and see the output of each ones
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11:08<babilen>gabrielegualco: You can list the package with "tasksel --task-packages TASK" or take a look at
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11:09<gabrielegualco>thank YOU!
11:09<babilen>gabrielegualco: ← that is the link I meant
11:09<gabrielegualco>there is a way to save our conversation? or i make copy paste?
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11:10<babilen>gabrielegualco: I don't use Konversation -- I would guess that it has a logging mechanism. Pasting it somewhere sounds like the easiest solution.
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11:10<gabrielegualco>ok thank you, last thing.. is it good to let be togheter gnome and kde or it creates troubles?
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11:11<babilen>It does not
11:11<gabrielegualco>and how i can let run theme on to differents Xservers?
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11:12<insigne>O que vc fala de canal ex:
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11:13<insigne>terminal #
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11:14<insigne>Ok terminal # aqui ,ok
11:15<insigne>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
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11:16<themill>!ubuntu-br insigne
11:16<dpkg>insigne: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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11:19<lamby_>is it normal, though rare, to see dependency changes in packages in stable?
11:19<valdyn>lamby_: no
11:19<insigne>Eu não tenho Ubuntu
11:20<gabrielegualco>babilen i'll ask you next time or i'll find documentation about that, i have to leave,thanks for help for now, and have a good day
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11:20<lamby_>valdyn: OK. I 'apt-get upgrade' 'd a box earlier and there were packages that were held back. What is this a typical symptom of? A box with SOME packages pulled in from non-stable ?
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11:21<valdyn>lamby_: what does this matter?
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11:21<valdyn>lamby_: why do you keep asking about proabilities
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11:22<lamby_>valdyn: err, want to get some understanding as to why dependenices changed. basically in stable i'll never have to do apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade some pacakges?
11:22<themill>lamby_: it's usually a sign that you either need to dist-upgrade (or use aptitude instead), or that you've got some misconfiguration there and you've actually got a mixed system.
11:22<lamby_>themill: well my worry is that it's a mixed system. But I'm not sure how to check that easily ? Is there a way?
11:23<themill>"apt-cache policy", /msg dpkg not available
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11:24<valdyn>lamby_: maybe a point release happened
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11:25<valdyn>lamby_: or maybe this was needed to fix an insanely important bug
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11:25<lamby_>valdyn: ah OK. thanks.
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11:26<valdyn>themill: some dependencies did change in stable or stable upgrades
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11:26<themill>valdyn: I've not seen any in squeeze yet, but in lenny libkrb and various bind-related libraries changed several times.
11:26<valdyn>themill: but since i didnt follow the dsa or read the changelogs i dont really know why
11:26<themill>SONAME changes
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11:27<valdyn>themill: java dependencies changed
11:27<lamby_>themill: i think it was the bind9 stuff that was held back.
11:28<valdyn>icedtea-6-jre-cacao was removed
11:28<valdyn>quite strange
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11:28<valdyn>( thats squeeze )
11:28<lamby_>i know some of the deps changed for iceweasel taht i grabbed from backports and so i had to dist-upgrade to pull in the new pacakges but i expected this by running squeeze and a couple of packages from backports. this apt-get update i did was on an old lenny box and it's only ever been tracking stable
11:29<valdyn>lamby_: either its a lenny box or its tracking stable, cant do both
11:29<lamby_>valdyn: yes, exactly that actaully. in references to icedt.. i had to sort that out this morning
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11:30<lamby_>as for lenny box it's tracking lenny by name
11:30<valdyn>lamby_: see DSA-2311
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11:31<valdyn>lamby_: and to your original question, security issues can cause all kinds of stuff, this is up to the debian security team
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11:32<lamby_>yeah, I've had to dist-upgrade things before where deps have changed, but it was just strange that i had to do it on a lenny box since i didn't think the stable (or old stable in this case) branch had dep changes.
11:32<lamby_>but it was only really to aid my understanding of how packages can be in (possible) flux.
11:32<lamby_>valdyn + mill. Thanks
11:32<valdyn>lamby_: lenny got that security fix too, just the same
11:33<lamby_>lamby_: super. will go read it
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11:34<insigne>vamos com calma
11:35<insigne>estou no gerenciador de pacotes ou packages
11:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:37<insigne>semptoshiba:/home/insigne# /j#debian-br
11:37<insigne>bash: /j#debian-br: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
11:37<sney>insigne: aqui.
11:38<sney>en la linea de chat.
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11:39<insigne>xchat mas onde que eu vou
11:40<insigne>o que eu faço
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11:41<sney>irc:// <= botão direito do mouse, conecte
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11:42<themill>except he wants #ubuntu-br ....
11:42<sney>ha well once he's speaking the right language they can get that part sorted out
11:42<sney>hi XeonBloomfield
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11:43<shlstrm>Hello everyone! I have a fairly simple question. I just sudo:ed a file and it got saved owned by root:staff. Isn't the root supposed to belong to its own group (root:root)? Thanks in advance if someone can give me some advice!
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11:43<sney>shlstrm: yes, on a standard debian system root is a member of root, not staff
11:43<XeonBloomfield>Where can I report bug where package "avr-libc" is not automatically installed with "gcc-avr", without it command "avr-gcc" cannot link executable files for AVR processors...
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11:44<sney>shlstrm: it might be a default in the program you were using to edit the file
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11:44<shlstrm>sney: I thought so, I'm using Debian 5 and haven't messed around much with it. I also tried sudo mkdir foobar and it's also owned root:staff. Weird
11:45<insigne>oftc #debian -br
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11:45<sney>XeonBloomfield: file a bug against gcc-avr, then. you can use the 'reportbug' package
11:46<shlstrm>I mean, changing group for root isn't something I'm supposed to be able to do unless I delibaretely run a command with sudo etc
11:46<shlstrm>and I haven't done anything... deliberately :)
11:46<XeonBloomfield>sney: But I wonder, why it is marked as "suggested" if "avr-gcc" compiler cannot work without it? :P
11:46<insigne>onde que eu fico #debian -br ou aqui
11:46<sney>!ops insigne
11:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: insigne
11:47-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
11:47-!-mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
11:47-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by Maulkin
11:47-!-mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin
11:47-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
11:47<sney>shlstrm: I do know sudo has some of its own defaults
11:47<Maulkin>insigne: /join debian-br
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11:48<sney>shlstrm: regardless, I don't think it'll cause any actual problems as long as the file is supposed to belong to root, since root has rights to everything regardless of group
11:49<shlstrm>sney: ok, might just be that I seldom create stuff with sudo for root, but I only noticed just now and came to think of it as strange..
11:49<sney>it is strange
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11:50<sney>I just tried it on my system and the directory was created as belonging to root:root, but I'm on wheezy (2 releases ahead of you) so I don't know when that was changed
11:51<cparker>I'm experiencing a pretty strange problem. I just installed a 2.6 kernel on an old Debian etch system, adding udev, etc., and now networking doesn't work if I use DHCP. I have to set a static address in /etc/network/interfaces in order to get a connection. If I keep eth0 configured to use dhcp, then there's no activity at all; even the link light on the switch is off. What would cause this to happen?
11:51<cparker>(I had to install 2.6 so I can upgrade to lenny and then to squeeze.)
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11:52<shlstrm>sney: something is definately weird here. If I ls /, /usr, /bin etc it's all owned root:root but /usr/local appears to be the only that's owned by root:staff ?
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11:53<sney>oh, same here
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11:54<shlstrm>and /var/local is also root:staff
11:54<shlstrm>must be a reason why
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11:55<sney>the answers would appear to be in
11:55<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
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11:56<shlstrm>sney: just also realised why, they're all shared dirs
11:56<shlstrm>so I guess it's for the sake of letting everyone in staff mess with them and not just root.
11:57<shlstrm>just love unix-like systems
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12:03<insigne>como que faço para o gerenciador de pacotes ficar em português
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12:04<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:04<themill>and what makes you think that will suddenly work on the 18th attempt...
12:04<wols>themill: persistence always pays off!
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12:17<Ti-chan>Hey everyone. Could someone be of assistance? I have a question about partitioning.
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12:20<wolfgangsz|2>Ti-chan: ask away
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12:26<NickMind>hello all im try to pipe service --status-all command to anything. and not getting a full list
12:26<NickMind>is there a better cli service command I should use?
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12:32<wolfgangsz|2>Whether or not the service command returns a full list depends on whether the individual scripts in /etc/init.d/ actually implement the status command. If they don't you won't get a full list.
12:33<SynrG>NickMind: service --status-all 2>&1 | grep urandom
12:33<SynrG>seems to do something useful to me
12:34<SynrG>the output goes to stderr, not stdout
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12:36<NickMind>SynrG: thanks that worked. Is it suppose to be that way?
12:36<NickMind>better yet is there a better cli command for this?
12:37<SynrG>it's not unusual for something that normally produces some other kind of output to put 'status' sorts of output to stderr instead of stdout
12:37<SynrG>so you can distinguish them
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12:38<SynrG>tbh, before you mentioned it, i hadn't even thought to use this command
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12:40<SynrG>if it's just a matter of seeing if a given service is running, i'd use pgrep or so
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12:40<SynrG>but that's not service-oriented. that's to locate a process
12:40<SynrG>(and i'm aware service init scripts don't always match process names)
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12:40<SynrG>but it has always been good enough for me
12:41<NickMind>im looking for a command much like chkconfig on hatred distros
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12:41<NickMind>but a command native to debain
12:41<SynrG>since i don't run those distros, i don't know what it does ... so ... can't really say what the best alternative would be in debian :)
12:42<NickMind>SynrG: thanks for the help
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12:43<SynrG>!tell NickMind about service
12:43<SynrG>that's about all else i can point you at
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12:44<NickMind>SynrG: just out of curiosity how would you know what service/init is been ran at what runlevel?
12:44<NickMind>what command would you use
12:44<NickMind>that is what i want to find.
12:44<SynrG>i've never had to solve that problem.
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12:45<NickMind>thanks for the dpkg msg
12:45<themill>NickMind: "ls /etc/rcX.d" shows you that information
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12:47<NickMind>themill: not as clean as chkconfig or something simiular
12:48<NickMind>but thanks
12:48<themill>needing a tool to give you the output of "ls" is an interesting definition of "clean".
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12:50<SynrG>not as conformant to the "one tool solves all problems" model of tool development
12:50<NickMind>a tool like chkconfig can check all runlevels at once.
12:50<NickMind>do i ls in every director?
12:50<themill>"ls /etc/rc?.d"
12:51<themill>,info chkconfig
12:51<judd>Package chkconfig (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: system tool to enable or disable system services. Version: 11.0-79.1-2; Size: 9.0k; Installed: 68k
12:51<NickMind>themill: thanks. But not clean. Sorry.
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12:52<NickMind>i know i can install chkconfig
12:52<themill>"clean" ...
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12:52<NickMind>but trying to find a native command, i guess there is not. Thanks all
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12:52<themill>"I want something that is exactly like chkconfig but don't want chkconfig..."
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12:52<NickMind>themill: :) Sorry bro, i know you hate the world
12:53<NickMind>themill: thanks anyhow
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12:55<Max82fr>hey peoiple
12:55<Max82fr>how do you mount a usb key in terminal pls??
12:56<SynrG>NickMind: no, i'm with themill on that one. why doesn't just installing chkconfig solve your problem?
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12:56<Max82fr>cause im running it from the live cd
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12:57<NickMind>SynrG: that is a valid question. We host user env of all flavors, i writing a work instrution that give as many navtive tools to use as possiable
12:57<SynrG>Max82fr: "the" live cd ... which one?
12:58<NickMind>we run every distro at every version level in a VM farm.
12:58<SynrG>NickMind: ah. not what i had envisioned
12:58<SynrG>randomly sampling answers from irc is probably not going to yield good results for such a project
12:58<Max82fr>backtrack 5 synrg
12:58<NickMind>So have people install a command to use is not always appoved by QA
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12:59<NickMind>SynrG: :) has always lead me down the path of greatest in the past
12:59<NickMind>I even rememeber themill years ago.
12:59<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
13:00<SynrG>NickMind: ok, then you know the drill ... not everyone who may have the answer you need will be around on irc when you need them
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13:01<NickMind>SynrG: wow. We are good... Don't know whats wrongs... in fact you have given me thanks to look at with the dpkg message
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13:03<NickMind>Thanks again guys. I got my answer or something close
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13:12<Golfgeo>Hi all
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13:12<Golfgeo>Wondering if there is a way to find out an ip adress from it's mac adress?
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13:13<valdyn>Golfgeo: arping
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13:14<Golfgeo>valdyn: tried it and it doesn't even know it's own adress haha
13:14<Golfgeo>User error is suspected ;)
13:15<retrospectacus>Golfgeo: arp -n
13:15<retrospectacus>you can see your own mac and ip in ifconfig
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13:17<Golfgeo>with arp -n I can't see my own ip and mac :-D
13:17<Golfgeo>with ifconfig I can :-D
13:17<retrospectacus>nothing gets by you
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13:18<Golfgeo>This is wierd though, two DHCP leased IP's don't have an MAC assosiated in ARP
13:18<Golfgeo>(arp -n)
13:19<retrospectacus>a machine will only have ARP entries for other machines if 1) they are 1 hop away MAX and 2) it has been talking to that machine recently
13:19<Golfgeo>ah, I guess a ping -b would be in order then :-)
13:20<retrospectacus>should work
13:20<Golfgeo>didn't though haha
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13:20<Golfgeo>oh oh
13:20<Golfgeo>I'm too rusty for this stuff
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13:21<retrospectacus>worked for me ''ping -b -c2 && arp -n ''
13:21<retrospectacus>arp table went from size 1 to size 15
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13:23<Golfgeo>Did the trick :-) Thanks mate :-)
13:23<retrospectacus>hmm now it's back to 2
13:23<retrospectacus>you can always use wireshark or tcpdump -nei eth0
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13:24<retrospectacus>to see the ethernet headers
13:25<retrospectacus>''tcpdump -nei eth0 not port 22'' if you're ssh'd in ;)
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13:27<Golfgeo>Oke, lets complicate things...
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13:29<Golfgeo>I have openwrt running on my laptop via a bridged nic... So I should be able to see it's IP based on it's MAC adress...
13:29<Golfgeo>Yet... argh!
13:29<Golfgeo>openwrt running on my laptop via openwrt
13:29<Golfgeo>brr, tired too haha
13:30<robson>haw can I install new command ("screen") to my shell?
13:31<petemc>apt-get install screen
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13:31<retrospectacus>!tell robson about installit
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13:32<retrospectacus>Golfgeo: that depends how Virtualbox handles bridging, which is unknown to me. ''brctl show'' might tell you something
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13:50<hotwings>is there a way to suppress the "dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove bla bla" messages when doing dpkg -P <package>
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13:57<SynrG>aside from piping to grep to filter it out? not that i know of
13:58<hotwings>that sucks but thanks SynrG
13:58<SynrG>they're perfectly legit
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13:59<SynrG>they're reminding you that this is stuff you may want to manually clean up later
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13:59<SynrG>i often make use of them to find files/dirs left behind that i have no need of and are not owned by any other package
13:59<hotwings>i have no use for it, just a bunch of screen clutter here
13:59<SynrG>and then toast it by hand
13:59<SynrG>well, ignore them then if you love cruft
14:00<hotwings>im trying to ignore them by not having them displayed in the first place :)
14:00<SynrG>how else would you know the cruft was left behind unless dpkg told you?
14:00<hotwings>its a non-issue
14:01<SynrG>(or i should say 'potential cruft' as the warnings only indicate potential, not positive identification)
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14:01<hotwings>never had a problem with that but if i did, it wouldnt make any difference to me at all
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14:04<SynrG>there's always the potential that cruft will come back to haunt you later.
14:04<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, how do I change the domain my machine belongs to?
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14:05<wols>change your DNS entry
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14:05<ComradeHaz`>DNS entry?
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14:05<ComradeHaz`>Maybe I'm using the wrong term.
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14:06<ComradeHaz`>I mean machinename.thisbit
14:06<petemc>ComradeHaz`: /etc/hosts
14:06<hotwings>SynrG - in the very very slight chance it ever becomes a problem for me, i guess ill reconsider ignoring the warnings at that time.. otherwise its just a bunch of screen clutter like i said
14:06<wols>that is the domain name and is DNS
14:06<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: that is usually provided by your dhcp server
14:06<wols>ComradeHaz`: but various other services my have this setting elsewhere. /etc/mailname for example for some MTAs
14:07<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, I need to make sure I do it everywhere.
14:07<ComradeHaz`>retrospectacus: my DHCP server is my ADSL router, presumably in this instance it won't do this?
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14:07<wols>ComradeHaz`: it will
14:08<wols>ComradeHaz`: you need us to give a lot more context if you wans applicable suggestions what to do
14:08<retrospectacus>usually you can just set it in your router's web interface
14:09<retrospectacus>"local domain name" or something, in the dhcp server settings
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14:10<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, OK. Um, that's tough given I don't know what is affected here, but bottom line is this. I have my own domain, which my friends server hosts for me. I have been asking him about how to sort out geting exim to use that server as smart host so I get all emails from my machine. He' away at the moment and all he's said is that the server only performs as a smart host for domains it hosts, so I...
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14:10<ComradeHaz`>...figure I need to change my domain here to match the domain I own that that server hosts.
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14:11<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: you don't, just configure exim to use his smarthost
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14:11<ComradeHaz`>I have. It refuses connections.
14:12<retrospectacus>well then he probably shut it off or hasn't got the port forwarded, something like that
14:12<ComradeHaz`>2011-09-29 19:02:20 1R9Kw2-0003Du-Jz ** tom@pluto.olympus <logcheck@pluto.olympus> R=hub_user_smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<tom@pluto.olympus>: host []: 550 relay not permitted
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14:12<retrospectacus>that's not "refuses connections"
14:12<ComradeHaz`>Valid point.
14:12<ComradeHaz`>Bad choice of words.
14:12<retrospectacus>see you have RCPT TO:<tom@pluto.olympus> - that is not a valid email address
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14:13<retrospectacus>now, I guess pluto.olympus is your machine
14:13<ComradeHaz`>Not, of course, the domain I own.
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14:15<retrospectacus>somehow your system (exim?) needs to put your email in there. Not sure how to do that exactly but you shouldn't have to mess with your local domain name
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14:18<retrospectacus>apparently the answer is /etc/email-addresses ComradeHaz`
14:18<ComradeHaz`>Your Googling skills must be far superior to mine
14:18<retrospectacus> :)
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14:19<retrospectacus>fwiw I googled "exim mail to my address"
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14:20<ComradeHaz`>So which section is of consequence here?
14:21<ComradeHaz`>Oh, I see
14:21<retrospectacus>1.3.6 :)
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14:22<retrospectacus>sez there is a man page for that file but it's not there for me
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14:23<retrospectacus>or is it 1.3.4
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14:24<ComradeHaz`>Sadly that's made no diference
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14:26<retrospectacus>aha see here
14:26<ComradeHaz`>Other than when I use mail to send an email it appears to come from my proper address (although cleary not properly as envelope from is still pluto.olympus andit thus ends up in junk
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14:27<retrospectacus>see Rewriting section
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14:29<retrospectacus>right above Update 11-Feb-05
14:29<ComradeHaz`>Aye, got it
14:29<ComradeHaz`>trying to work out exactly how to utilise it
14:30<ComradeHaz`>See, I think we might be barking up the wrong tree
14:30<ComradeHaz`>because I can send mail as me
14:30<retrospectacus>ya not sure if that will work actually
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14:30<ComradeHaz`>it's things like logcheck and ninjahelper that are failing to send mail
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14:33<retrospectacus>and those are run by cron right
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14:33<ComradeHaz`>well, they run as users logcheck and root respectively
14:34<retrospectacus>I mean they are run via cron right
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14:36<retrospectacus>sez to put MAILTO="" in the crontab above the jobs
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14:41<kingsley>In lyx, after doing insert->list/TOC->Table of Contents, how do you fill in the table with parts, sections, subsections, etc...?
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14:44<babilen>kingsley: That should happen automatically and is rather a #latex (freenode) problem than a #debian one -- Just create parts, chapters, sections, ... in your document.
14:45<ComradeHaz`>retrospectacus: he tells me I need to forward all mail to my own address
14:45<ComradeHaz`>apparently at the moment I am sending mail to tom@pluto.olympus
14:45<ComradeHaz`>It is that which I need to change
14:45<kingsley>babilen: Have you actually filled a table of contents with a version of lyx distributed by debian?
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14:46<retrospectacus>well put MAILTO="" in the crontabs
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14:48<amphi>ComradeHaz`: perhaps something for /etc/aliases
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14:49<ComradeHaz`>amphi: that's a very good poit
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14:50<babilen>kingsley: No, I use vim and xelatex/pdflatex directly. Are you suspecting that this is a LyX specific bug as manually compiling the document works?
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14:51<kingsley>babilen: Yes, I do suspect a debian specific bug, but I also suspect I just don't know how to fill a table of contents.
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14:51<kingsley>babilen: If you're so inclined, I'd be interested in your elaboration on what compiling a document entails.
14:52<babilen>kingsley: It happens when you compile the document, you do not fill it manually. (you need /tableofcontents in your document)
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14:53<babilen>kingsley: You might want to read lshort and/or -- I would personally also recommend to use XeLaTeX in lieu of LaTeX. You should also take it to #latex on freenode.
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14:53<babilen>kingsley: In short: "pdflatex document.tex" would be a start.
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14:54<vfaronov>Hi. The latest OpenJDK security update seems to break icedtea-6-jre-cacao. Is this a known problem?
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14:55<ComradeHaz`>*@machine.mydomain $1@mydomain where machine is the hostname of your laptop or PC and mydomain is the domain name of the machine and the outgoing mail.
14:55<ComradeHaz`>Does it really mean that
14:56<ComradeHaz`>does it not mean domain name of machine and domain name of your email providor?
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14:57<vfaronov>okay, got it
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15:23<ComradeHaz`>I find it absolutely bizare that something as fundamental as mailing oneself logcheck mail is so hard to set up.
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15:24<ComradeHaz`>Really doesn't help attract people to the linux community :/
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15:24<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Try to set it up on Windows.
15:24<ComradeHaz`>It Just Works in my experience
15:24<ComradeHaz`>Although the logs are hopeless :D
15:25<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: It really depends on the simplicity of the mail route.
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15:25<ompaul>mail root
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15:25<ComradeHaz`>All I want is all mail from all apps to end up at my user, and for my user to flip it onto my smarthost using a domain it recognises
15:26<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Not something difficult to me, but then again I've already got the full blown public mailserver.
15:26<ComradeHaz`>I've got aliases set up so all root ultimately goes to m
15:26<babilen>ComradeHaz`: Just edit /etc/aliases and redirect mails to root to your user
15:26<babilen>ah :)
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15:26<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Maybe ssmtp?
15:26<mrw>ComradeHaz`: how is it failing? do you have any errors or do you just know it's not arriving?
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15:27<ComradeHaz`>*me, the defaut options I believe, and every app is going to root. So all mail should be ending up for me. Then I am trying to get it to rewrit the header so the domain is something sensible so my smarthost doesn't moan, but it just won't have it.
15:27<ComradeHaz`>I can do 'mail' and get it
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15:28<ComradeHaz`>mrw: yeah, it's faiing thusly
15:28<ComradeHaz`>2011-09-29 20:22:47 1R9MBt-0003GG-T6 ** tom@pluto.olympus <logcheck@pluto.olympus> R=hub_user_smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<tom@pluto.olympus>: host []: 550 relay not permitted
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15:29<ComradeHaz`>Now the point is, that address, as I understand it should have been rewritten
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15:29<ComradeHaz`>*@pluto.olympus E
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15:30<ComradeHaz`>Maybe I don't get the syntax, but to me that should take all mail destined for anyone at this machine and flip it so it is destined for me.
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15:30<ComradeHaz`>Rwwarrrgh :D
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15:31<mrw>ComradeHaz`: did you test it using the command in section 3
15:31<ComradeHaz`>This is frustrating me so much :D
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15:31<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: maybe the no relay comment on here
15:31<mrw>exim -brw tom@pluto.olympus it looks like
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15:32<ComradeHaz`>mrw: Ah-ha!
15:32<mrw>ComradeHaz`: what do you see?
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15:32<ComradeHaz`>Clearly the 'E' doesn't do quite as I expected.
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15:32<ComradeHaz`>Specifically: to: tom@pluto.olympus
15:33<mrw>so maybe the 't' flag
15:33<mrw>or 'h'
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15:36<ComradeHaz`>mrw: I can put them all it doesn't change some of the fields :/
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15:37<mrw>ComradeHaz`: you mean 'h' isn't doing what you expect?
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15:38<ComradeHaz`>No, and neither is 't', which seems fairly unambiguous
15:39<mrw>ComradeHaz`: then maybe the pattern is wrong
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15:39<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, it must be
15:40<ComradeHaz`>I'm not sure what's changing some of those to the correct addres
15:40<ComradeHaz`>presumably something else I changed!
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15:41<mrw>ComradeHaz`: you only have one rewrite rule?
15:41<ComradeHaz`>mrw: yes. the other thing that was effecting it was /etc/email-addresses
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15:42<mrw>ComradeHaz`: maybe clear that out?
15:42<ComradeHaz`>I have wiped out my entry in there. It seems prudent to rely on just one method of changin thing.
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15:42<ComradeHaz`>So, that done, I see the reqrite rule is having no effect at all.
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15:44<mrw>what was in that file?
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15:45<ComradeHaz`>*@pluto.olympus $
15:45<mrw>that doesn't appear to be the correct syntax
15:45<ComradeHaz`>I agree.
15:45<ComradeHaz`>less the $0
15:45<mrw>for /etc/email-addresses it looks like you want tom:
15:45<ComradeHaz`>I just tried that in desperation
15:46<mrw>see man 5 etc-email-addresses
15:46<ComradeHaz`>Well, yes, but I think we agree this should be doable with just rewriting
15:46<ComradeHaz`>and the /etc/email-addresses doesn't do enough
15:46<ComradeHaz`>So let's leave that out of the picture for now
15:46<mrw>ok, well, i don't think it should do anything except work
15:47<mrw>and it's clear that exim wants /etc/email-addresses
15:47<ComradeHaz`>Well, true, but that doesn't affect the to field
15:47<mrw>also the manpage says that file is used to 'is used to rewrite the email addresses of users.'
15:47<ComradeHaz`>and that, I am told by my friend who admins the server, is the critical factor here
15:48<mrw>i'm also pretty sure the rewriting rules you want should be in another file
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15:48<ComradeHaz`>So it seems to me, given I need to use rewriting for that, I might as well specify it all in one place
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15:49<ComradeHaz`>Oh, yeah, they should
15:49<ComradeHaz`>I believe
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15:51<ComradeHaz`>I just don't understand the syntax at all
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15:52<Max82fr>hey people
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15:52<Max82fr>i need you help pls
15:53<mrw>ComradeHaz`: what do you mean? did you put the rewrite rule into that file?
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15:53<ComradeHaz`>Um, yeah?
15:53<ComradeHaz`>Should I not have?! :D
15:53<retrospectacus>Max82fr: when you shorten "please" to "pls" I shorten "yes" to "no"
15:53<Max82fr>ive just installed debien on virtualbox but at some point it asked me if i wanted to install the grub loader onto the root system file and I chose No.
15:53<Max82fr>Was I corretc???
15:53<mrw>ComradeHaz`: and exim -bwr doesn't show any change?
15:53<ComradeHaz`>He comes from Luton. Game over already.
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15:53<ComradeHaz`>mrw: correct.
15:54<Max82fr>> no really relevant comment!
15:54<ComradeHaz`>Max82fr: No.
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15:54<jemurray>Max82fr: If you want the system to boot up you need to install it.
15:54<ballison>what's the best way to see if a host is actively swapping/paging ?
15:55<ComradeHaz`>Max82fr: probably easiest to start again.
15:55<jemurray>ballison: vmstat
15:55<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so you have a) /etc/aliases which contains ??, b) /etc/email-addresses which contains tom:, and c) 00_exim4-config_header which contains *@pluto.olympus E
15:55<Max82fr><jemurray> yeah but it runs on virtualbox on win 7. If I choose to install it does it mean I will get a boot option choice everytime I start my machine??
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15:55<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so what's in /etc/aliases?
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15:55<ComradeHaz`>mrw: aliases essentially points everything to root and root to tom.
15:56<mrw>ComradeHaz`: no no, what's actually in it. because maybe the syntax is wrong
15:56<jemurray>Max82fr: If you are installing it in a VM environment, it will only affect the VM client. Your VM won't update your host system.
15:56<ComradeHaz`>mrw: There is nothing in email-addresses, as I said, I felt that was clouding the issue at this stage.
15:56<mrw>ComradeHaz`: though maybe it's not because that seems to be wrong
15:56<ComradeHaz`>mrw: c) Correct.
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15:56<Max82fr><jemurray> ok so it means I can install the grub loader and it will only be installed in the VDI (hard drive) for Debian?
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15:57<ComradeHaz`>well, mrw, it's a number of lines. Shall I pastebin it?
15:57<jemurray>Max82fr: That is the way it has always worked for me.
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15:57<Max82fr>ok wicked > thanks Jemurray!! If only more people were as nice and helpful as you!!
15:57<ballison>how do i make vmstat run remotely? looks like the first line returned from vmstat is throw away
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15:58<mrw>ComradeHaz`: and right now exim -bwr doesn't show ANY changes
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15:58<jemurray>ballison: I run: vmstat 1 then look for the si so (swap in / swap o)
15:58<mrw>ComradeHaz`: yes pastebin it
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15:59<ComradeHaz`>mrw: refresh
16:00<mrw>why does mailer-daemon go to postmaster and not root
16:00<ComradeHaz`>Not sure, that is all default
16:00<mrw>ComradeHaz`: also as of right now exim -bwr tom@pluto.olympus doesn't show ANY rewriting?
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16:01<ComradeHaz`>In fact the only change I made to that file was to move the "root: tom" definition to the bottom
16:01<ComradeHaz`>mrw: nope, I just added the output to pastebin
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16:01<jhutchins_lt>mrw: So that the mail administrator has the option of being a different person than the system admin.
16:02<mrw>right but if this is parsed the way i think it is, then it's going to root anyway :)
16:02<mrw>anyway the updated paste isn't coming through
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16:03<jhutchins_lt>mrw: That's the way mine's set up <any mail related> -> postmaster, postmaster -> root
16:03<ComradeHaz`>Ah, it changes address, sorry
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16:03<mrw>no prob
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16:05<mrw>ComradeHaz`: if you restore /etc/email-addresses to 'tom:' what does exim -bwr show
16:05<rebeca>what's up?
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16:06<yron>Je dois compiler le kernel nvidia et je dois acceder au xorg.conf pour qu'il prenne en compte les modification avant un restart mais le problème c'est que la commande nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf me renvoie vers un fichier vide
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16:07<yron>normalement il est plein et je dois éditer ou rajouter une ligne... donc où est le fichier xorg.conf please ? :o
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16:08<rebeca>Où suis-je?
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16:08<rebeca>Quelle langue parlez-vous?
16:09<ComradeHaz`>mrw: sorry about that, spilt my drink :/
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16:09<yron>oops bad debian cannal
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16:11<ComradeHaz`>lol cthuluh :D Love the nick
16:11<mrw>ComradeHaz`: if you restore /etc/email-addresses to 'tom:' what does exim -bwr show
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16:12<ComradeHaz`>mrw: link above should reflect that
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16:13<ComradeHaz`>Sorry, seems I can't even work pastebin tonight!
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16:14<mrw>ComradeHaz`: and the tom@address in the output corresponds to what's in /etc/aliases?
16:14<ComradeHaz`>Yep, indeed.
16:14<ComradeHaz`>Probably shouldn't have pasted that :D
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16:14<mrw>no prob, delete that pastebin
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16:15<ComradeHaz`>Can't see how to delete it
16:15<mrw>one sec
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16:15<rebeca>what's up?
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16:15<rebeca>where i'm?
16:16<mrw>ComradeHaz`: oh that is so weak. pastebin requires you to have logged in to delete a paste
16:16<mrw>ComradeHaz`: yergh
16:16<ComradeHaz`>Expiry: Never.
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16:17<mrw>ComradeHaz`: anything else in exim/conf.d/rewrite/
16:17<mrw>ComradeHaz`: or whatever that conf directory was
16:18<ComradeHaz`>Nope, nothing else
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16:18<Wall>Hi :)
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16:18<Wall>Anyone use netatalk to share files with Macs?
16:18<mrw>ComradeHaz`: did you restart exim after editing it
16:19<rebeca>what's this for a chaat?
16:19<themill>rebeca: no. Try #moocows.
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16:20<rebeca>wer kaaann den antwoorten
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16:20<ComradeHaz`>!praise /ignore
16:20*dpkg prostrates herself before /ignore. "You rock, /ignore!"
16:20<cthuluh>rebeca: oui c'est un chat. non ce n'est pas un chat en français. si tu veux de l'aide sur debian, tape /join #debian-fr . sinon, ciao :)
16:20<rebeca>where are you come froooom?
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16:21<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
16:21<ComradeHaz`>!whois cthuluh
16:21<ballison>I keep getting ";; Got recursion not available from, trying next server
16:21<cthuluh>try '/' next time
16:21<cthuluh>ballison: so what? :P
16:21<ballison>I keep getting the following error when I nslookup a hostname. It's skipping my primary DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf and going to the second one. The error is ";; Got recursion not available from, trying next server
16:22<ballison>cthuluh: bad cut and paste. sorry
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16:22<mrw>ComradeHaz`: oook. so what if you have no E flag
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16:22<cthuluh>ballison: what is ""? is that really a dns resolver?
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16:23<ballison>cthuluh: it's my primary local DNS server
16:23<ComradeHaz`>mrw: makes no diference
16:23<mrw>why does so much mail software use such terse configuration languages
16:23<rebeca>Kann jemand deutsch sprechen?
16:23<cthuluh>ballison: are you in the access list for this server?
16:23<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:23<amphi>ComradeHaz`: when you tried with /etc/aliases, you did remember to run newaliases? ;)
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16:24<cthuluh>!ops rebeca
16:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: cthuluh complains about: rebeca
16:24<towo`>and now, go trolling elsewhere rebeca
16:24<ComradeHaz`>Oh, actually, mrw, it does make a differnce.
16:24<ballison>cthuluh: Yes. When I nslookup a different servername i don't get the error. seems to happen randomly
16:24<mrw>ComradeHaz`: what's that
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16:24<themill>rebeca: please play elsewhere.
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16:24<cthuluh>ballison: so dig foo @ fails, but dig bar @ succeeds?
16:25<ComradeHaz`>mrw: it does the same as what I had in pastebin
16:25<mrw>oh ok
16:25<ComradeHaz`>so changes sender and from
16:25<mrw>no change then
16:25<ComradeHaz`>amphi: no.
16:25<ComradeHaz`>But I don't think that will be affecting this, will it.
16:26<ComradeHaz`>It certainly appears not to have.
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16:26<ballison>cthuluh: dig foo @ fails for every name i give it.
16:26<amphi>if you don't run newaliases, aliases.db (the file that is actually used) is not regenerated
16:26<ComradeHaz`>amphi: understood.
16:27<ComradeHaz`>But as I said a little earlier, all I changed was to move root: tom to the bottom
16:27<ComradeHaz`>everything else was appropriate
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16:28<ballison>cthuluh: but from another host dig foo @ works
16:28<amphi>ComradeHaz`: ah - I missed that, I was afk
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16:29<cthuluh>ballison: for values of "foo" belonging to your domain name, no? such as
16:29<ComradeHaz`>amphi: np, appreciate that you're paying me some attention!
16:29<ballison>cthuluh: works for hostnames within my domain. fails for other domain names
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16:29<cthuluh>ballison: that's perfectly normal. it's just an authoritative only nameserver
16:30<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so i have a hunch. what if you change your rewrite rule *@pluto.olympus $
16:30<cthuluh>ballison: (and not a resolver)
16:30<ballison>cthuluh: then i'm it working or not?
16:30<ballison>and why was nslookup giving me those errors and skipping the primary name server ?
16:30<cthuluh>ballison: it is just doing the work it is asked to do.
16:31<cthuluh>ballison: please search the web about authoritative nameserver vs. resolver
16:31<ComradeHaz`>mrw: restarting exim4 should pick up these changes, right?
16:31<ballison>cthuluh: I restarted bind9 (named) on the server and now all the nslookups are working correctly
16:31<ComradeHaz`>If so, sadly no change.
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16:32<cthuluh>ballison: then you made a change to the config without reloading it
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16:32<cthuluh>ballison: but think twice. it is better to run authoritative only and resolver only nameservers
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16:34<ballison>cthuluh: so dig @ will always fail and that's expected?
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16:35<ballison>cthuluh: that does not make sense. why can i run dig @ from another server on the same cluster and it resolves correctly?
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16:35<mrw>ComradeHaz`: well, this isn't a great idea, but what about if you put '*@*.hitch.fict.example $1@hitch.fict.example' as your only rewrite rule and then run exim -bwr fp42@restaurant.hitch.fict.example
16:36<mrw>ComradeHaz`: since that is the example rewrite rule from the exim docs, you should see SOMETHING rewritten
16:36<cthuluh>ballison: then the other server is in the nameserver acl allowing recursion ; but you are not
16:36<mrw>ComradeHaz`: if nothing comes through, i wager your rewrite rules are not being read in for some reason
16:36<ballison>cthuluh: yes. on the one that's failing it says, ";; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
16:37<ballison>cuthuluh: how do I fix that?
16:37<ballison>i looked in the named.conf and didn't see anything for recursion
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16:37<cthuluh>ballison: lies
16:37<cthuluh>ballison: anyway. you have to configure bind. start with reading the documentation
16:38<peterS>ballison: yeah if is not configured to do recursion, you probably shouldn't use it as a name server in /etc/resolv.conf
16:38<ballison>:/etc/bind# grep recu * |wc -l
16:38<cthuluh>$ man named.conf | grep -c recursion
16:39<ballison>peterS: but does recursion for other servers just fine. that doesn't make sense.
16:39<peterS>you've done _something_ to it. Debian's default bind configuration _does_ do recursive lookups
16:39<ComradeHaz`>mrw: afaict, no rewites.
16:39<cthuluh>.... on localhost
16:39<mrw>ComradeHaz`: pastebin exim -bwr fp42@restaurant.hitch.fict.example
16:39<ComradeHaz`>Yep, on it
16:40<mrw>ComradeHaz`: also see if there's anything in mainlog or paniclog when you restart exim
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16:40<Max82fr>hi ya
16:40<Max82fr>got a problem people
16:40<Max82fr>what's the default sudo password in debian???
16:40<petemc>the users password
16:40<jemurray>Max82fr: There isn't a "default" it is your password.
16:40<daemonkeeper>No, none.
16:41<ComradeHaz`>mrw: Will look at logs now.
16:41<ComradeHaz`>mrw: nothgin in syslog
16:41<jemurray>Max82fr: This assumes you setup sudo.
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16:41<Max82fr>well when I installed it I specified my password but it isn't that opne CLEARLY!
16:41<mrw>ComradeHaz`: i think it's /var/log/exim/
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16:41<peterS>Max82fr: yeah and there's no users allowed to use sudo, by default. to allow a user to use sudo, try 'adduser {username} sudo'. then that user will have to log out and back in
16:41<daemonkeeper>Max82fr: Type "su", not "sudo su"
16:41<retrospectacus>Max82fr: debian by default does not use sudo. use 'su'.
16:41<Hydroxide>sudo by default isn't enabled even if you install it
16:41<ComradeHaz`>mrw: nothing in mainlog
16:42<mrw>ComradeHaz`: dunno, it's been like 10 years since i ran a mail server
16:42<mrw>ComradeHaz`: what's this 'begin rewrite' business
16:42<mrw>oh i see
16:42<ComradeHaz`>Was there by default, I assume that's the required syntax.
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16:43<Hydroxide>peterS: doesn't the sudo group bypass the password requirement entirely?
16:43<Max82fr>it says unknown id: sh. /
16:43<daemonkeeper>Hydroxide: Depends on your setup.
16:43<Hydroxide>I think I vaguely recall it changing between versions of debian...
16:43<Hydroxide>daemonkeeper: I mean by default
16:43<Hydroxide>daemonkeeper: after installing sudo
16:43<Max82fr>I'm only trying to full screen my debian on virtualbox!
16:43<daemonkeeper>Hydroxide: No. Only users in the sudo group.
16:43<peterS>Hydroxide: I don't think it does, by default. I think by default you still need to use a password
16:43<Hydroxide>daemonkeeper: that's what I was saying. "the sudo group"
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16:43<mrw>ComradeHaz`: you sure you don't have /etc/exim4/conf.d/rewrite/31_exim4-config_rewriting
16:43<daemonkeeper>Hydroxide: Users in the sudo group are prompted for their password.
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16:44<daemonkeeper>Hydroxide: But those /can/ use sudo
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16:44<Max82fr>How do you full screen on virtualbox?
16:44<Hydroxide>I seem to recall it being different in squeeze as compared to sid/wheezy, but the only squeeze machines I currently have access to have non-default sudoers. time to check the stock file from the deb on my local mirror :)
16:45<Max82fr>Oi Oi
16:45<Max82fr>I'm only trying to full screen my debian on virtualbox
16:45<peterS>Max82fr: we heard you the first time
16:45<ComradeHaz`>um, mrw, I do, but I'm sure I read somewhere it's the other one that we edit
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16:45<themill>Hydroxide: the introduction of the "sudo" group was new with squeeze, that is perhaps what you're thinking of.
16:45<retrospectacus>Max82fr: we are debian users, not virtualbox users... go ask in a virtualbox channel
16:45<Max82fr>>peterS well reply then?
16:46<ComradeHaz`>Max82fr: We know it's normal to shout as you walk arouind in Luton, but most of us find it uncouth and annoying.
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16:46<Max82fr>ComeradeHaz> was this meant to be funny?
16:46<themill>Max82fr: Isn't there a view→fullscreen menu entry or similar?
16:46<Max82fr>good cos it really wasnt
16:47<Zerith>Hello, I'm using a tap device to transfer network data from a virtual machine to the host. My problem is, it doesn't transfer the data to the real network device (eth1). how would i forward data from the tap to eth1?
16:47<Max82fr>themill> yes but it's not real fullscreen
16:47<themill>dpkg: tell Max82fr about patience
16:47<Max82fr>there's something to do but I cant remember
16:47<Hydroxide>themill: I just confirmed that it works as you describe, yes.
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16:47<mrw>ComradeHaz`: sigh. it looks like you can dump your rewrite rules in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template...
16:48<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so dumb. there must be a way to enable the conf.d stuff
16:48<@babilen>Max82fr: I would try #vbox on -- fwiw fullscreen works perfectly with kvm/virt-manager ;)
16:48<Max82fr>what do I do then?
16:48-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by ChanServ
16:48<Max82fr>thanks babilen
16:48<Hydroxide>Max82fr: if this is debian's virtualbox you probably want to be sure you have the virtualbox-ose-guest-additions installed
16:48<Hydroxide>Max82fr: I may have the package name wrong
16:48<themill>Max82fr: do you have virtualbox-*guest* packages installed inside the guest?
16:48<mrw>ComradeHaz`: i'm suspicious of 31_
16:49<Max82fr>yeah it is installed
16:49<mrw>ComradeHaz`: well, it sure looks like 31_ is the reason /etc/email-addresses is working
16:49<Hydroxide>babilen, ComradeHaz`: we *do* ship a version of virtualbox. if he's using ours instead of's, it's totally on topic here, and the help from anyone who knows would be more Debian-suitable than in #vbox.
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16:49<Hydroxide>Max82fr: and is it properly configured in the guest?
16:49<Hydroxide>Max82fr: and is it the same version as in the host?
16:50<mrw>ComradeHaz`: you can try putting your rewrite rule in 32_exim4-config_foobar
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16:50<babilen>Hydroxide: Yeah, I totally agree, just thought that #vbox might have more people that can help than #debian
16:50<Max82fr>hydroxide> I do I know that???
16:50<Hydroxide>babilen: probably true
16:51<Hydroxide>babilen: honestly, that's something I'm not sure of. I've never used the linux guest additions. you might want to do lsmod inside the guest and see if there's a suitable module loaded
16:51<ComradeHaz`>mrw: doesn't see to work either :(
16:51<Hydroxide>babilen: probably with vbox in its name
16:51<mrw>ComradeHaz`: which?
16:52<Hydroxide>Max82fr: those were both meant for you, not babilen
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16:52<Hydroxide>Max82fr: the last two lines I said to babilen were meant for you. mistake on my part
16:53<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok
16:53<ComradeHaz`>mrw: you've done enough though, pal. You deserve a beer!
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16:53<mrw>ComradeHaz`: try putting it in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template
16:54<mrw>ComradeHaz`: also -- try starting it in debug mode
16:54<Max82fr><Hydroxide> ??I don't know what the hell this means!! Im new
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16:54<mrw>ComradeHaz`: heh, a beer would be just about right, but why not two?
16:54<Hydroxide>Max82fr: we're trying to help you. please remain calm :)
16:55<themill>Max82fr: can you pastebin the output of running "aptitude versions ~nvirtualbox" inside the guest.
16:55<Max82fr>how do I run what?
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16:56<Max82fr>ping themill
16:56<Hydroxide>themill: pastebinning that will be a little tricky from within a guest...
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16:56<Max82fr>oh for god's sake?! why is evrything such a pain?!
16:56<ComradeHaz`>hehe, mrw: why not 2 indeed.
16:57<themill>Hydroxide: he can run a browser within the guest...
16:57<Hydroxide>Max82fr: we're trying to ask you for information to help you with your question. we're doing this as volunteers in our spare time. please do not get angry at us.
16:57<mrw>ComradeHaz`: it IS almost friday
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16:57<Hydroxide>themill: I guess that's probably true, yeah.
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16:58<Wall>Max82fr, what is your host machine?
16:58<Max82fr>hydroxide> I get it but you guys want to show the world how cool Linux is but everything is such a drama to run on it!
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16:58<themill>Max82fr: are you actually running debian this time or is it still backtrack, by the way?
16:58<Max82fr>Wall> my pc
16:58<Hydroxide>Max82fr: even if the answer for your situation is simple, we aren't looking at it and you are
16:58<themill>Max82fr: no, you're the drama queen. Lots of noise and ranting and never much doing
16:58<mrw>ComradeHaz`: do try putting in that .conf.template. and good luck!
16:58<mrw>putting IT in
16:58<Hydroxide>Max82fr: and therefore we need to ask questions to determine the answer we need to give you
16:59<Max82fr>themill> that's debian on this machine!!
16:59<Wall>Max82fr, so are you running Vbox for Windows?
16:59<ComradeHaz`>mrw: so
16:59<ComradeHaz`>mrw: so, we have something here. An error, but it's something!
16:59<mrw>ah HA
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16:59<mrw>ComradeHaz`: what's it saying now?
16:59<Max82fr>Wall> yeah
17:00<Wall>Max82fr, with debian as guest system then
17:00<Max82fr>WTF> Wall?
17:00<mrw>ComradeHaz`: yay. it's reading SOMETHING
17:00<Wall>Max82fr, please stay polite, I'm trying to determine your exact configuration. Can't help you if I have no idea of your host/guest config
17:01<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok, so there should be a 'begin rewrite' thing in there
17:01<Wall>Max82fr, so taking things one at a time
17:01<ComradeHaz`>Ah ha, of course.
17:01<Hydroxide>Max82fr: if you're running the version of virtualbox from on a windows host, I'm not sure what the requirements are to get the guest additions running properly in debian. the version shipped in debian may or may not be compatible with the version ships, but probably ships one that will work if ours doesn't
17:01<Max82fr>Wall> nothing special: running vbox on win7> can't get it to full screen properly
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17:02<Hydroxide>Max82fr: ok, and which version of debian?
17:02<mrw>ComradeHaz`: it looks like it should be rebuilding the config from the conf.d stuff
17:02<themill>Max82fr: in what way is it not "properly full-screen"? black bars on the sides?
17:02<Hydroxide>and which version of vbox on win7? (yes, these are all relevant questions)
17:02<ComradeHaz`>mrw: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken ... failed!
17:02<Max82fr>4:3 screen on a 16:9 sort of thing
17:03<Wall>Max82fr, like Hydroxide, I would tend to think that this might be something to do with your Windows version of Vbox, and not with Debian
17:03<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok, that's because paniclog has that previous error in it
17:03<Max82fr>OK so what should I do??
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17:04<Hydroxide>Wall: well, I"m more saying that we need to know the versions of everything to understand the situation. if the vbox on windows is newer than whatever guest additions we ship, he probably has to use the version of the guest additions provided by the host vbox
17:04<Wall>Max82fr, have you tried the easy option, i.e. Host key + F?
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17:04<Hydroxide>Wall: that's not really the fault of either version, just an incompatibility between them
17:04<ComradeHaz`>mrw: I think we're winning
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17:04<Wall>Hydroxide, ok ;)
17:04<mrw>ComradeHaz`: i'm gonna say that what you SHOULD be doing is running update-exim4.conf
17:04<Max82fr>Wall>> can't believe you're asking me this?!
17:04<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok
17:04<mrw>ComradeHaz`: yeah
17:04<mrw>ComradeHaz`: here's what SEEMS to be happening
17:05<ComradeHaz`>mrw: the rewrite is working for the exampole
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17:05<themill>Max82fr: and yet you don't answer the question...
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17:05<ComradeHaz`>Trying to switch it to tom@pluto
17:05<mrw>ComradeHaz`: exim doesn't walk the conf.d directories on its own -- you have to manually generate a config file from them by using update-exim4.conf
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17:05<ComradeHaz`>but the syntax confuses the hell out of me
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17:05<mrw>ComradeHaz`: that's why your rewrite rule was failing
17:05<Wall>Max82fr, try downloading the latest additions, Hydroxide's suggestion seems highly plausible
17:05<mrw>ComradeHaz`: exim never even saw it!
17:05<ComradeHaz`>mrw: , i see, that's mental
17:05<Max82fr>wall> where do you get it from?
17:05<Hydroxide>Max82fr: even if you have tried that, many people forget the obvious. for example, trying to see why a printer isn't working and forgetting to ensure that it isn't plugged in
17:06<Wall>Max82fr, I ran into the same difficulties on my Mac OS X host when I updated Vbox
17:06<mrw>ComradeHaz`: eh, yes and no
17:06<Wall>the additions had to be updated too
17:06<mrw>ComradeHaz`: what's crummy is that there isn't more info about regenerating the exim config
17:06<babilen>Max82fr: Which version of vbox (host) and guest additions (guest) do you have installed? (you can check that with the command themill mentioned earlier)
17:07<ComradeHaz`>mrw: restartin it seems to do it
17:07<babilen>.oO( why not use kvm? )
17:07<themill>the vbox 4 additions from squeeze-backports should be compatible (presuming the vbox 3 ones in squeeze aren't... assuming that they're installed at all...)
17:07<Max82fr>babilen> dunno!! how can I tell ya?
17:07<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so here's what we do now
17:07<ComradeHaz`>mrw: what was the syntax you thought would work for me
17:07<Max82fr>Vbox 4.1.2
17:07<ComradeHaz`>I think it's time to try that out
17:07<mrw>ComradeHaz`: *@pluto.olympus $
17:07<Hydroxide>babilen: kvm isn't an option if his host is win7, that's a good reason why
17:07<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so that foo@pluto.olympus ->
17:08<babilen>Max82fr: Run "aptitude versions ~nvirtualbox" on your Debian system.
17:08<Hydroxide>(also it is less friendly for new users in my opinion)
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17:08<mrw>ComradeHaz`: rather than foo@pluto.olympus ->
17:08<Max82fr>babilen > How??
17:08<babilen>Max82fr: You type that command and hit enter
17:08<Max82fr>ok bear with
17:08<ComradeHaz`>mrw: WIN!
17:08<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok
17:08<mrw>ComradeHaz`: and that's in exim4.conf.template
17:09<ComradeHaz`>mrw: yes
17:09<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok!
17:09<Hydroxide>Max82fr: babilen may have been assuming you knew this, but in case not, you need to open a terminal first (e.g. konsole or xterm or gnome-terminal) - you should be able to do that via the menus in your environment
17:09<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so here's what it looks like to me
17:10<mrw>ComradeHaz`: pull that up
17:10<mrw>ComradeHaz`: go to
17:10<aure>hello somedy can help on debian???
17:10<Max82fr>babilen> done it!
17:10<mrw>ComradeHaz`: i *think* you didn't choose 'split into small files', so it's ignoring the stuff in conf.d
17:10<Max82fr>then what?
17:10<babilen>Hydroxide: Thanks for pointing that out :)
17:10<ComradeHaz`>what's odd, is when it attempts to send now it gets unroutable address.
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17:10<mrw>ComradeHaz`: haha
17:10<mrw>ComradeHaz`: there's always another problem!
17:10<ComradeHaz`>mrw: correct, I did not.
17:10<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok! so
17:11<babilen>Max82fr: Ok, so which versions are to be found on host and guest?
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17:11<themill>Max82fr: what were you doing when you got the message "[21:43] <Max82fr> it says unknown id: sh. /" ?
17:11<ml|>aure: just ask
17:11<mrw>ComradeHaz`: when you want to configure stuff, put it in that exim4.conf.template file
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17:11<mrw>ComradeHaz`: phew
17:11<Max82fr>babilen > 3.2.10-dfsg-1
17:11<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so! unroutable address
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17:12<aure>i ve got a probleme i can?t install xbmc but i don t understand because i m begin in debian and the message i have his :N: Ignoring file '' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
17:12<Wall>Max82fr, alternatively, you can go into the Devices menu and click "Install guest additions". The installer will look for updates, if any
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17:13<babilen>Max82fr: So, it might actually be due to the version mismatch.
17:13<Hydroxide>yeah, so if the guest additions are 3.2 and the host is 4.1, he'd need newer guest additions, either from squeeze-backports or whatever's provided with the host copy of vbox (the last option is simplest)
17:13<Max82fr>Wall> already done that 10 times!
17:13<dentych>Hello! I have a couple of question regarding remote connection to linux servers. Is it possible to browse and download files from a certain directory on the server from the browser? A little like FTP - but maybe something easier?
17:14<dentych>Also - is it possible to share a directory between two different linux systems?
17:14<ComradeHaz`>dentych: nfs
17:14<mrw>ComradeHaz`: looks like it's trying to send to an external domain off the local interface
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17:14*Hydroxide has to go afk now - good luck :)
17:14*Hydroxide &
17:14<mrw>ComradeHaz`: i.e. off lo instead of eth0/vif.1 or whatever
17:15<ComradeHaz`>oh for flip sake :D
17:15<dentych>ComradeHaz`: Thanks :)
17:15<mrw>ComradeHaz`: hmm
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17:15<mrw>ComradeHaz`: so you could do that a really dumb way
17:15<Max82fr>how do you get the latest guest addition???
17:15<mrw>ComradeHaz`: with iptables
17:15<mrw>ComradeHaz`: but that is too dumb!
17:16<mrw>ComradeHaz`: this is starting to get beyond me. what should happen is that it gets put in a different queue, i think
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17:17<ComradeHaz`>mrw: I am ready to kill someone! :D
17:17<inkbottle>About bug #643696, will some of you install the add-on directly from Firefox?
17:17<ComradeHaz`>mrw: but you have been amazing
17:17<babilen>dentych: You can also use "connect to server" in nautilus (assuming you are using Gnome) which will allow you to browse remote hosts on which you can login via SSH -- Gnome also provides -- Not exactly sure what you are after though as those might not be optimal solutions. (easy though)
17:17<mrw>ComradeHaz`: welcome to mail servers :)
17:17<ComradeHaz`>thankyou so much
17:17<mrw>ComradeHaz`: yeah dude
17:17<Wall>Max82fr, the latest guest additions seem to be available from
17:17<amphi>ComradeHaz`: try postfix ;)
17:17<mrw>ComradeHaz`: be an expermentialist. that's how you handle this stuff
17:17<mrw>postfix may be the solution!
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17:18<dentych>babilen: Thank you, but I am on a CLI-only system, but thank you for your reply anyway :)
17:18<ComradeHaz`>mrw: yeah, I am a bit. Nearly losat all my data once l)
17:18<mrw>ComradeHaz`: hah! yeah, i know a bit about that ;)
17:18<dentych>Now that you mentioned gnome - Is there any short-termed gnome-vs-kde talk? Like why one of them is better than the other? Or is it just a matter of taste?
17:19<babilen>dentych: yeah, I wasn't sure about your setup/knowledge and wanted to point it out. NFS is probably the way to go
17:19<ComradeHaz`>amphi: what's this postfix?
17:19<ComradeHaz`>mrw: again, dude, thanks so much :)
17:19<ComradeHaz`>I owe ya one!
17:19<mrw>ComradeHaz`: no problem! glad i could help
17:19<dentych>babilen: Alright, thanks again :) I'm looking up on nfs :)
17:19<Max82fr>Wall> ok it's an ISO file, how do I then install it??
17:20<dpkg>Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: . #postfix on
17:20<babilen>dentych: Both are horribly bloated desktop environments ;) -- There is no reasonable way to compare them as they are both good, but quite different. It is a matter of taste that is hard to quantify.
17:20<Wall>Max82fr, some reading:
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17:21<Wall>Max82fr, sorry
17:21<dentych>babilen: Alright, I see your point :) I have heard of some light-weight desktop environments, but I forgot their names. What is the best one? If there is a "best one" ;)
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17:22<MrFrood>dentych: fluxbox appears to be a populer 'my-first-wm'
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17:23<babilen>dentych: There is no "best one" -- I personally like small window manager (e.g. fluxbox) and in particular tiled ones. (awesomewm, wmii, xmonad) -- Lighter desktop environments comprise LXDE and XFCE. I would recommend to try different setups until you found the one *you* like. It is about your needs and your taste not about an arbitrary measure of "best"
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17:24<Max82fr>unable to mount ISO
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17:24<mrw>ComradeHaz`: hm, there's some kind of smarthost trouble
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17:25<dentych>Alright, again I see your point :) I have one final question.. I have a linux server which I do not have physical access to. Is it possible to install a desktop environment and mount the server so I can use this desktop environment?
17:25<mrw>ComradeHaz`: do you have your smarthost configuration stuff in conf.d still?
17:25<ml|>dentych: list of wm's ...
17:25<mrw>ComradeHaz`: move it to the appropriate place in the template file
17:25<dentych>Thank you, ml| :)
17:25<dentych>And also thank you to you, MrFrood
17:25<ComradeHaz`>mrw: wdym?
17:26<Wall>Max82fr, working on it?
17:26<Max82fr>I think Im going to throw my pc out the window!!!!1
17:26<ComradeHaz`>I configured that with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf
17:26<mrw>ComradeHaz`: hm
17:26<ComradeHaz`>mrw: I would have thought all that is in place.
17:26<Max82fr>Wall> cant mount the image
17:26<mrw>ComradeHaz`: ok, fair enough
17:26<babilen>dentych: Yes, you can use a VNC server/clint setup to access the remote server. A lot of people just use ssh though.
17:26<Wall>Max82fr, before you mount the image, you need to install dkms as explained in the manual I linked to
17:27<babilen>!tell dentych about vnc
17:27<mrw>ComradeHaz`: search for ^smarthost:$ in exim4.config.template
17:27<Max82fr>who wants to do remote assistance with me pls???
17:27<mrw>ComradeHaz`: in that stanza, is driver set to manualroute
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17:27<mrw>ComradeHaz`: switch it to dnslookup?
17:27<Wall>Max82fr, read the manual patiently, it is pretty straightforward
17:27<Wall>Fire up your guest system,
17:27<Wall>open a terminal
17:28<Max82fr>ok hang on
17:28<Wall>type the following commands:
17:28<dentych>Thank you kindly, babilen. You have been of great help :)
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17:29<ComradeHaz`>mrw: there is nothing in /etc/exim4.config.template other than what we put there
17:29<mrw>ComradeHaz`: uh oh
17:29<babilen>dentych: You are always welcome to come back if you have further questions. May you enjoy your experience and have a nice day/night. :)
17:29<ComradeHaz`>Oh no.
17:29<ComradeHaz`>I think I wiped it out.
17:29<mrw>ComradeHaz`: :(
17:29<mrw>ComradeHaz`: you can try dpkg-reconfigure, just remember to put your rewrite rules in the right place
17:29<ComradeHaz`>Know how to use etc-keeper?!
17:29<Wall>Max82fr, you told me to hang on
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17:30<mrw>you don't happen to have etc-keeper set up, do you?
17:30<Max82fr>sorry, was waiting for u
17:30<dentych>Thank you very much, babilen. I certainly will :) And you may have a nice day or night as well :)
17:30<Wall>Basically, follow the instructions under the Ubuntu heading here:
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17:30<ComradeHaz`>mrw: yes
17:30<mrw>ComradeHaz`: oh shoot
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17:30<mrw>ComradeHaz`: got a good commit?
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17:30<ComradeHaz`>Dunno how to use it though!
17:31<Max82fr>is there a way someone can connect to my machine and sort me out!?!? pls
17:31<Wall>Max82fr, you need to open a terminal and login as root (type 'su' without the quotes, then your root password) before you type the commands
17:31<mrw>ComradeHaz`: did you init the repository?
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17:31<Wall>Max82fr, no can do, sorry
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17:32<mrw>ComradeHaz`: it's 'just' a front end to git. i say 'just' because that joey hess character does all sorts of crazy neat stuff with git
17:32<Wall>Max82fr, if I may, why do you want to run Linux?
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17:32<Max82fr>on windows there's remote assistance! no such thing on Debian???
17:32<ComradeHaz`>mrw: I just have the default config.
17:32<Max82fr>for studies
17:32<ComradeHaz`>Should there not be some auto-backups when it was installed?
17:33<Wall>Max82fr, you're on an IRC channel and I'm just another Debian user, not some professional hotline attendant ;)
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17:33<Max82fr>i cant understand what you've sent me
17:33<Max82fr>too confusing
17:33<mrw>ComradeHaz`: hm
17:33<Wall>Max82fr, Using the command line is part and parcel of using Linux
17:33<mrw>ComradeHaz`: i'd note the rewrite rule, do dpkg-reconfigure and put the rule back in
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17:34<babilen>Max82fr: There are many ways, but we do not provide that support (intentionally) -- You have to figure it out yourself with our help. (Ask questions, answer ours and so on)
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17:34<mrw>then make sure the smarthost got configured with the appropriate router
17:34<ComradeHaz`>mrw: it doesn't recreate it when I do a reconfigure
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17:34<mrw>ComradeHaz`: but i'm afraid i've got to go now.
17:34<Wall>OK, Max82fr, here goes:
17:34<ComradeHaz`>maybe if I delete the file
17:34<babilen>!tell ComradeHaz` about confnew
17:34<Wall>Max82fr, open a terminal
17:34<babilen>!tell ComradeHaz` about confmiss
17:34<Max82fr>following the steps but it doesn't even mount the iso file!
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17:35<Max82fr>terminal open
17:35<Wall>Max82fr, type 'su' without the quotes, then <enter>
17:35<mrw>ComradeHaz`: my hypothesis is a) that your smarthost is messed up and b) that you probably want its driver set to dnslookup NOT manualroute
17:35<mrw>ComradeHaz`: good luck!
17:35<ComradeHaz`>thanks so much mrw
17:35<Wall>Max82fr, type your root password, then <enter>
17:35<ComradeHaz`>babilen: nice one, cheers.
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17:35<Wall>type 'apt-get update' (still w/o the quotes)
17:36<Wall>then <enter>
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17:37<Wall>Max82fr, type 'apt-get upgrade', then <enter>
17:37<Wall>This will update your system.
17:37<Max82fr>do I want to continue?
17:37<Wall>You will have to confirm that you want the changes made to your s
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17:38<Wall>Max82fr, sorry. Yes -> 'y', then <enter>
17:38<Max82fr>doing it
17:38<Wall>It will take some time.
17:38<Wall>Max82fr, when it is done, type 'apt-get install dkms', then <enter>
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17:39<Wall>Max82fr, that will install dkms and its dependencies (mainly the libraries it needs to run)
17:39<Max82fr>pls bear with me
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17:39<Wall>Max82fr, I'm going to have to go rather soon, so take down the instructions while your updates are running
17:40<Wall>Max82fr, so, once dkms is installed, you'll need to reboot your guest system
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17:41<Wall>Max82fr, here is how you mount an .iso image in Vbox:
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17:42<Wall>Max82fr, open the Devices menu, click on "mount CD/DVD-ROM", then "CD/DVD-ROM image"
17:42<Wall>That brings up the virtual media manager
17:43<Wall>Max82fr, in the virtual media manager, click "add" and navigate to the .iso file you have downloaded
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17:43<Wall>Max82fr, once you've added it, select it in the Virtual media manager
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17:44<Max82fr>yeah and?
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17:45<Wall>Max82fr, that will mount the .iso as an external media in your guests system: it should appear on your Debian desktop and in the left menu of your file browser
17:46<Wall>Max82fr, once that is done, double-click it to open it
17:46<Max82fr>something appeared saying devices recently plugged in
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17:46<Wall>Open a terminal and login as root ('su', <enter>, password, <enter>)
17:48<Wall>Max82fr, type 'sh ' (notice the space after sh) and drag the file from your file browser window into your terminal window
17:48<Wall>and press <enter>
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17:49<Max82fr>it's installing apparently... you think that's gonna work??
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17:50<Wall>Max82fr, hope so! That's what I would've done
17:50<Max82fr>ok all done
17:50<Max82fr>then what?
17:53<babilen>reboot + try it?
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17:54<Max82fr>reboot only debian or also vbox?
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17:55<babilen>Debian. No idea how one could possibly reboot vbox :)
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17:56<Max82fr>WOWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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17:57<Max82fr>is it normal that the bar art the bottom of the screen is not the full width of the screen?
17:57<Wall>Max82fr, congrats!
17:58<Max82fr>thanks a lot Wall
17:58<babilen>Max82fr: btw, I would say that it is about time to thank Wall for his/her patience ... just saying
17:58<Max82fr>big snog to Wall
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17:58<Wall>Max82fr, there's a setting (right-click on panel bar) to make it the full width of the screen
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17:59<Wall>You're welcome (but true enough one had to overcome a certain initial... impatience on your part ;) )
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17:59<dentych>Goodnight everyone!
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17:59<Max82fr>I know I was but it's just so frustrating!!
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18:00<Max82fr>what s desktop activity??
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18:00<Wall>Well good night to all so, I'm gone ;)
18:00<Max82fr>night night! thank u so much!!1
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19:16<Guest12030>does anyone know why I get "Conflicting distribution" messages
19:17<Guest12030>such as "expected stable but got squeeze"
19:17<Guest12030>when I upgrade my distribution list?
19:17<Guest12030>(in synaptic)
19:18<craigevil>squeeze=stable same thing
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19:19<streuner_>do you try to upgrade Knoppix?
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19:20<Guest12030>I have the latest Knoppix (DVD) distribution installed on HD; it's great, it's just these probably benign messages: also "expected testing but got wheezy"
19:20<abrotman>but this isn't #knoppix ?
19:21<Guest12030>no steuner, I haven't upgraded all my packages yet, just run "Reload Package Information"
19:21<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
19:21<chealer>Guest12030: this channel is focused to Debian support. BTW, if you want to use GNU/Linux seriously (perhaps as your main operating system), forget Knoppix
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19:22<chealer>s/to Debian support/on Debian support/
19:22<Guest12030>OK -- thine arts of advocacy are showing muchly ... ;)
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19:24<chealer>Guest12030: I say that as an ex-Knoppix user. if you want to use GNU/Linux as your main OS, you really don't want to stay on Knoppix.
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19:26<Guest12030>thanks chealer, I'll have to upgrade my (existing) Debian ASAP! I even used it to make the latest Knoppix DVD. By the way, the claim during the Knoppix install is that the system is identical except for the setup files....
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19:31<abrotman>you cannot upgrade from knoppix to Debian
19:31<sney`>what if he really wants to
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19:35<sney`>I came in to ask dpkg some questions and it seems the answer is "bad ram"
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19:36<Guest12030>#abrot, you mean in the technical sense. In the general sense, it is an upgrade ;0)
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19:43<jhutchins_lt>Guest11554: You are heading for a crash if you keep this up. You can not use the dpkg system to change from Knoppix to Debian - in spite of what they may say, they are more different than you understand.
19:43<jhutchins_lt>Guest11554: I would strongly recommend re-installing debian stable (squeeze) NOT testing (wheezy). Testing is for testing new packages and combinations and is intended to be BROKEN from time to time.
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20:06<chealer>jhutchins_lt: I believe you're talking to the wrong Guest :-)
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20:07<chealer>jhutchins_lt: I wouldn't say testing is intended to be broken at any time
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20:10<themill>actually, what jhutchins_lt said is quite true, testing is intentionally broken from time to time
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20:18<chealer>perhaps for a certain definition of "broken"
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20:21<themill>chealer: packages can have unsatisfied dependencies for a period of time to force a transition through. Apt calls that "broken". People wanting those packages call it "broken". Release team call it "broken". Perhaps if you realised this, you'd stop removing warnings from squeeze->wheezy and stop pretending that testing is in a fit state to be used by new users.
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20:30<chealer>themill: neither APT nor the release team will call the whole distribution "broken" because some packages have unsatisfiable dependencies.
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20:33<abrotman>chealer: the maintainer of those packages will call them broken .. and if it's your kernel, or libc, or X ... that could be construed as the whole thing being broken
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20:33<abrotman>chealer: or you can keep arguing ... it's what you do best
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20:36<chealer>abrotman: I wasn't talking about specific packages being broken, I said I wouldn't say testing is intended to be broken at any time. libc is not intentionally broken in testing.
20:36<abrotman>and you ignored what i said .. shocker
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21:28<ladoga>good I didn't know testing is broken as I've used rolling testing on my laptop since 2005 I think ;)
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21:29<ladoga>sure there have been some issues along the way, but nothing bad enough to force reinstall
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21:32<ladoga>I agree that stable is the way to go for any production systems...or even minimal maintenance desktop
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21:36<abrotman>ladoga: it's different for everyone
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21:59<cparker>I think I just hosed my Debian install... Would someone mind taking a look?
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22:02<abrotman>cparker: that's a dump .. there's probably more above that
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22:04<cparker>abrotman: There's no way for me to see what it could be... :-( Not like I can pipe it into less or anything.
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22:04<abrotman>does the old kernel boot?
22:04<cparker>Nope. Incompatible udev version.
22:05<abrotman>how far does it get?
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22:08<cparker>abrotman: "Gave up waiting for root device. ... ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<uuid> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" ... It then drops me into an initramfs shell.
22:08<abrotman>can you boot a livecd?
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22:09<cparker>BIOS only understands booting from hard disk and floppy.
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22:24<h4m5t3r>HELLo ppl!! :d
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22:47<Burton>Question, im not a fluent linux user
22:47<Burton>adobe flash has poor support for debian, correct?
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22:47<Burton>a client of mine if having issues connecting to flash application
22:48<kop>Burton: Adobe has poor support for Linux. Nothing debian can do.
22:48<cmr>Flash has gotten better on linux over the years. It still doesn't perform as well as it does on windows though.
22:48<kop>!adobe flash
22:48<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
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22:49<Burton>any tips, my client wants tinychat embeded on their website. But when they use tinychat and try to use there cam, or broadcast, it crashes their browser
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22:49<Burton>i presume flash (adobe) is too blame
22:49<boscuit>i concur
22:49<Burton>lol ^
22:50<Burton>my client
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22:51<Burton>alright thanks cmr and kop
22:51<Burton>have a good one
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23:57<d-b>hi does joss@debian idle in one of these channels?
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