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01:49<seeS>hi there, anyone know where i can find xserver-xorg-core version 1.10? 1.11 is not compatible with the fglrx packages
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01:52<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
01:52<seeS>ill go hunting
01:53<seeS>i only realise the incompatibility *after* updating them
01:56<nevyn>seeS: it might still be on the mirror
01:56<nevyn>if you don't have a copy in /var/cache/apt/archives
01:56<nevyn>(which you probably don't anymore)
01:56<seeS>nah i checked both those places, same thought :(
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02:04<bonnix>hi, how do i install graphic driver for nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]
02:05<bonnix>it keeps saying i have X server open
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02:06<bonnix>You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
02:06<bonnix> installing
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02:06<bonnix>but i don't know how to exit
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02:07<bonnix>someone please help
02:07<Kharec>Good morning here!
02:09<bonnix> how do i install graphic driver for nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x it keeps saying i have X server open
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02:12<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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02:20<seeS>hmm lets see if my video card works, or ive turned the laptop into a toaster
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03:05<riley>using mysqldump is like 100 times slower than just copying the .MYI and .MYD files
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03:05<riley>do you know why that is?
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03:19<kannan>how to update compiled software in ubuntu..
03:21<Bushmills>why should #debian know about ubuntu?
03:21<kannan>both are same..
03:21<Bushmills>so why you're using ubuntu, not debian, then?
03:22<Bushmills>and why do they even have different names?
03:23<Bushmills>that "same" must be of a kind meaning something else than "indistinguishable"
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03:31<kannan>let me rephrase myquestion
03:31<kannan> how to update compiled software in linux
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03:33<kannan> Bushmills
03:33<Bushmills>depends, with rathead, you'd probably use rpm or yum or similar
03:33<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
03:34<Bushmills>but non-distribution linux, you're more likely to compile from source
03:34<wols_>kannan: please use the support forums of your distro. not #debian. thank you
03:34<kannan>wols_ wait guys.. i'm using debian
03:34<kannan>it was just a mistake i typed ubuntu..
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03:35<Bushmills>i guess #ubuntu knows how to upgrade their packages
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03:35<wols_>kannan: then it depends how you got this compiled software
03:35<kannan>Bushmills: i'm using debian.. and apt-get is broken
03:35<Bushmills>for non-specified "linux", you want to install gcc and dev libs
03:35<wols_>kannan: broken how?
03:36<kannan>improper shutdown
03:36<wols_>we need error messages it gives to be able to help you
03:37<wols_>kannan: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade should give you some output. paste that output into a pastebin
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03:45<wols_>kannan: I am extremely nearsighted but not even I can read console output in a 100x50 pixel image...
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03:47<Bushmills>looks like arabic script
03:48<kannan>text formm.. sorry for the trouble
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03:50<kannan>wols_ Bushwills ther is some dpkg error code (2)
03:50<wols_>kannan: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libalgorithm*
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03:51<wols_>I suggest you manually purge the packages dpkg complains about (both of them) via dpkg and some force. then immediately reinstall them
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03:51<Bushmills>funny, wols dealing twice with the same problem :)
03:52<kannan_>it doesn't seemed to owrk..
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03:52<kannan_>i tried that few times and with no positive result
03:52<wols_>what exactly did you do. "doesn't work" is not a suitable way to describe a problem
03:53<Bushmills>seems a problem revolves around a directory with the same name the installer scripts expect a file there.
03:54<Bushmills>how that directory by that name got there will possibly remain a mystery
03:54<Bushmills>unless created by buggy testing or unstable scripts
03:54<kannan_>i dont know :(
03:54<wols_>Bushmills: he said how: improper shutdown
03:55<Bushmills>yes. that shouldn't magically convert files to directories
03:55<wols_>that shutdown impaired some dpkg metadata. like in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
03:56<Bushmills>i guess locating that directory-supposed-to-be-a-file and removing it may be worth a try
03:57<wols_>Bushmills: since it's dpkg metadata, you uninstall the package its in with dpkg and reinstall it (since something, no doubt, depends on it)
03:58<wols_>this is dangerous sinec you have to --force dpkg most probably
03:59<kannan_>i tried deleting files few times in my previous installations but again it showd someother lib* and returned with same error code (2)
03:59<kannan_>is there any way to completely reinstall dpkg..
04:00<wols_>no. and it's not dpkg that is broken (at least not that we can see so far). it's data dpkg uses to do its job that is inconsistent
04:00<wols_>I gave you a command above. please show is its output
04:00<kannan_>that ls command?
04:00<Aketzu>sounds like filesystem corruption
04:00<Aketzu>(been there, done that)
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04:04<kannan02>wols_ ttp://
04:06<wols_>kannan02: that is a seriously fscked up listing :(
04:07<valdyn>reiser4 had files that were a directory at the same time
04:07<wols_>kannan02: and a LOT of stuff is missing there...
04:08<kannan02>what should i do..
04:08<wols_>you should restore frmo backup... since there is no telling what other stuff has been broken. and there will be lots of brokenness imho
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04:10<wols_>kannan02: /msg dpkg reinstall that should reinstall all packages, hopefully fixing at least your dpkg database
04:10<wols_>but there are probably other errors too
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04:20<stomanata>i have problem with microsd card
04:20<gsimmons>Frosh: Which NDIS driver are you using? Have you compiled, installed and loaded the ndiswrapper module?
04:20<stomanata>i put it in sd adapter and then in my integrated cardreader
04:20<stomanata>but nothing.....
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04:20<stomanata>dmesg says too must rows with [507044.872198] usb 5-2: reset low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
04:21<stomanata>and at the end [516635.637087] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
04:21<stomanata>what can i do now?
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04:28<alma>hi, I'm using Smuxi, and could somebody tell me how to connect to other irc server? I'm using this program first time and./help didn't help me
04:28<Bushmills>"whilst initialising" - you're trying to create a file system on the card?
04:28<tensorpudding>alma, go to preferences, and the server tab, and add a new server
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04:29<gnugr>stomanata: check this it might help you
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04:29<alma>tensorpudding: thank you :)
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04:59<ayaka> when safe-upgrap
04:59<Kharec>hi, is there anybody that know why aircrack-ng isn't in squeeze? It's in sid, it seems.
05:01<ayaka>Kharec, because it don't be tested 3 years
05:02<Kharec>ayaka: I'm sorry, what do you mean?
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05:02<wols_>yang: output of "df" ?
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05:02<wols_>ayaka:output of "df" ?
05:03<wols_>ayaka: and do you have packages from squeeze main and from dmm installed?
05:03<ayaka>Kharec, anyone program must be tested for 3 years ,then can include in stable realease
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05:03<Kharec>ayaka: oh ok. thanks!!
05:03<ayaka>wols_, me ? aptitude
05:04<wols_>Kharec: ignore ayaka. he's wrong. most probably a license issue or a critical bug
05:04<Kharec>wols_: oh.
05:04<ayaka>wols_, I'm sorry
05:04<Kharec>I will search for it.
05:04<Kharec>thanks wols_
05:04<wols_>!tell Kharec about ssb
05:04<wols_>Kharec: you can backport it if you want as dpkg just told you how
05:05<wols_>ayaka: 'aptitude' isn't a suitable answer to 'output of "df"?'
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05:06<ayaka>wols_, I'm sorry I don't speak english ,so I should paste the df's output?
05:06<wols_>ayaka: yes, the output of "df" and the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list both into a pastebin
05:07<Kharec>wols_: effectively:;dist=unstable
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05:07<ayaka> df
05:08<wols_>ayaka: you don't have enough space in /boot it seems: /dev/sda1 37604 33198 2400 94% /boot which is why your kernel isn't properly installed
05:08<Kharec>wols_: thank you for your fast and useful help!
05:09<ayaka>wols_, I see then is there any way to solve is use gparted?
05:10<wols_>sure, you can resize partitions if you want.
05:10<wols_>ayaka: and you mix debian main repos and debian multimedia repos. choose either, not both
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05:11<ayaka>wols_, but multimedia repos is slow and I need some software sometime
05:12<ayaka>wols_, but can I remove xen kernel then reinstall(I'm in normal mode)
05:12<wols_>ayaka: I told you what to do to fix it. if you don't want to do that, I cannot help you
05:12<ayaka>wols_, no no but I just wonder is there a better way
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05:13<ayaka>wols_, does multimedia repos. has mirrors?
05:14<ayaka>wols_, I see if I remove xen this time then reinstall can solve the space problem?
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05:21<ayaka>wols_, can I remove initrd.img-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 then remove xen because no space to use dpkg
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05:27<ayaka> when safe-upgrap df I can resize my disk gparted take too much time
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05:42<ayaka> can't visit I need kenel 3 's source where can I get it
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05:42<ompaul>git images of it
05:42<ompaul>if only there was a way to search the internet
05:45<ompaul> apt-get install linux-source
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05:53<arno_>totaly lost feeling
05:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:54<arno_>oh i see
05:54<arno_>i am used to skype
05:55<arno_>but seems not available on here
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05:55<SynrG>!tell arno_ about skype
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05:55<arno_>please do
05:56<SynrG>see your private messages. i just triggered the dpkg bot to send you the skype factoid
05:57<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
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05:58<arno_>this is first time i am using this linux os on apple i book
05:59<ayaka>ompaul, thank you you always save me
05:59<ompaul>ayaka: not true, I help sometimes :)
06:00<ayaka>ompaul, I means that every time you help saving me
06:00<arno_>i am a 77 year old novice from australia
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06:01<ompaul>arno_: it's never to late to start debian to get out and have some fun, the sun will be shining just as bright in the morning as the first day the world began ;-)
06:01<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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06:03<arno_> i guess i am out of place here
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06:03<arno_>but thanks for comments
06:03<bartm>arno_, why would you be out of place here?
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06:04<ompaul>arno_: there is a message from dpkg our bot where we have well thought out canned answers - however if you never saw the bot before you might be saying "Hu?"
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06:05<arno_>you see i feel illiterate
06:05<ompaul>arno_: /msg dpkg <stuff-typed-in-here> not the brackets themselves
06:05<arno_> what is bot
06:05<ompaul>arno_: robot
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06:05<ompaul>it sent you a message - its name is dpkg
06:05<ompaul>I called it for our russian friend to tell them where to talk in russian
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06:06<ompaul>arno_: bottom line, it's just another tool on the internet, what you walked into is like a market with a few hundred people milling around, some of them ask questions, others answer
06:07<arno_> been a new experience thanks ompaul
06:07<ompaul>arno_: we don't do private conversations generally because that would mean I could give you a bad command and there is nobody to peer review the answer and call me on it
06:07<ompaul>or better yet save you from a malicious party
06:07<ompaul>arno_: its fun
06:07<nevyn>also nobody learns from the community knowledge.
06:08<ompaul>and then I say
06:08<arno_>getting it
06:08<ompaul>nevyn: either make that comment less vague or back it up with some facts :)
06:09<arno_>which comment
06:09<ompaul>which nevyn used ... three lines before yourse
06:10<ompaul>arno_: and welcome to the cruel land of bad grammar, and worse typos
06:11<arno_>its not that so much its just barely keeping up with whats going on
06:11<ompaul>arno_: that comes with time.
06:11<arno_>but ompaul you saved me from
06:12<ompaul>arno_: what?
06:12<ompaul>arno_: saved you from what exactly?
06:12<arno_>from feeling in a different world
06:12<nevyn>ompaul: pm'd fixes don't get seen in passing by others.
06:12<arno_>skype is more real
06:13<arno_> less technical
06:13<ompaul>nevyn: which is why I don't use them and advocate new users don't
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06:14<wols_>arno_: but skype isn't suited very well for offering public tech support for debian. hence, debian uses IRC and mailinglists mainly
06:14<arno_>sure i misunderstood the context of this site
06:15<arno_>its DEBIAN
06:15<ompaul>arno_: and as we can't see what is going on under the bonnet of skype some of us won't trust it at all
06:15<arno_>not communication general
06:16<nevyn>irc is general communication
06:16<nevyn>this particular channel is focused on debian
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06:16<ompaul>nevyn: how did you know I was going to type that line ... ;-)
06:16<arno_>bye ta
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06:39<bonnix>extra libraries for ffmpeg?
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06:40<__Alex_>What's the Kernel module loading program in linux? I know that in FreeBSD it's kldload, but i can't remember in linux.
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06:43<bartm>bonnix, what's the question about "extra libraries for ffmpeg"?
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06:45<wols_>__Alex_: modprobe?
06:46<bonnix>yes- where do i get ffmpeg extra libraries to convert files to .mp3 and such, not available from repository due to legal reasons
06:47<wols_>!tell bonnix about dmm
06:47<wols_>bonnix: but those are not "extra libraries" but a whole new number of packages for multimedia stuff. do not mix normal squeeze main and dmm or you will get problems
06:49<SynrG>that's a kind of schizoid bit of advice. "get them here!" "but don't use them!"
06:49<bartm>i was thinking the same :)
06:49<ompaul>these days it is better to just use debian
06:49<wols_>SynrG: you mean what I wrote?
06:50<wols_>SynrG: non-free is the same btw
06:50<SynrG>i'm not saying you don't have a point
06:50<SynrG>just work on the presentation a bit
06:51<wols_>well, if you mix ffmpeg from squeeze and some other library/codec from dmm for examply, you will get problems cause sooner or later your apt/dpkg combo will break and refuse to work until you resolve the problems
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06:51<wols_>so if you use dmm, use it for all your multimedia stuff
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06:52<SynrG>fair enough
06:53<SynrG>but "for all your multimedia stuff" is not always possible, as dmm doesn't have nearly the breadth debian has.
06:53<SynrG>perhaps the safest thing, if you really have a need for this, is to set up a media conversion squeeze chroot
06:53<SynrG>and layer on the dmm tools in that, isolating it from breaking your main system
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06:57<wp>is there any way to know when kernel 3.0 from wheezy will be backported?
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06:59<SynrG>this is interesting:
06:59<wp>also, is there a package in debian that will allow me to create a centralised media server. needs contain music, video and photos.. and need to be able to access those using a variety of OSes that I have in the house. I want to ditch iTunes and AirPlay since that route is great but only works if you want to keep paying Steve Jobs your pay check.
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07:00<wp>I'm guessing some kind of dnla type thing, but a heads-up would be good
07:01<wp>also is there an open-standard protocol that offers what AirPlay does? And is it prevalent. Would I be able to actually buy the hardware in a store and use it with Debian.. ?
07:02<valdyn>wp: theres a few dnla server in debian
07:02<wp>valdyn: have you used any of them? could you recommend one?
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07:03<valdyn>wp: I use mediatomb
07:03<wp>ideally i'd like to migrate from my macwhoring ways into the open source world of cross platform and open rather than closed standards.
07:03<wp>valdyn: will investigate ta.
07:03<valdyn>wp: itunes doesnt really use closed standards
07:04<valdyn>wp: its just a closed program using open standards
07:04<wp>valdyn: that could be true. but i can't run iTunes on Debian and even if I could (WINE et al) it wont let me have a centralised library. it's just not how it works :(
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07:05<wp>so i need to come up with a better solution. me having my MacBook on so that my girlfriend can use home sharing to stream a film to teh tv or stream a song to the home hi fi is great but just no scalable. and doesn't work if the laptop is off. there has to be a better way to solve this using Debian...
07:06<valdyn>wp: even samba is supported by most
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07:06<wp>valdyn: Samba is supported by most whats?
07:06<valdyn>wp: between samba and mediatomb, i don't even have a preference
07:06<valdyn>wp: windows, macos, linux, wtdtv, psx
07:06<wp>valdyn: but samba/mediatomb would centalise the media, graet, but now how to stream? and what hardware to buy?
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07:07<valdyn>wp: i dont stream audio, so i dont really have a dedicated audio client
07:07<valdyn>wp: for video -> wdtv
07:08<wp>I know there is some software written originally for FreeBSD that allows you set up a fairly pwoerful NAS box. maybe it's in Debian. I forget its name.
07:08<valdyn>wp: wdtv kind of was first in class, there may be alternatives now
07:08<wp>FreeNAS or something
07:08<wp>will look into wdtv. thanks!
07:09<valdyn>wp: i wouldnt know about that freebsd thing, because i do not use dedicated operating systems, those are just linux or bsd with a graphical user interface which i have no need for
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07:11<wp>well you've given me food for thought. will go away and do some googling. thanks valdyn
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07:12<wp>SynrG: that looks interesting too..
07:12<SynrG>(a fork of mt-daapd, aka Firefly)
07:13<wp>just looking at the wikipedia page for it
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07:13<wp>hasn't been updated in three years. it may no longer work..?
07:14<valdyn>wp: its in debian
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07:14<wp>well in that case :) i shall go install and play.
07:14<wp>later all. and thanks again
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07:20<stomanata>thanks gnugr but dmesg don`t show the device
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07:21<stomanata>it only show mmc0, usualy sdcard is something like mmcop1 or similar
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07:29<stomanata>did anybody have other solutions for this error "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card"
07:30<stomanata>when i plug 2gb microsd card
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07:32<SynrG>crappy card reader?
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07:33<SynrG>or maybe a dead card
07:33<stomanata>mmmm no. other card work
07:33<stomanata>now i use sd adapter and integrated cardreader in my laptop
07:33<stomanata>may be :)
07:33<stomanata>but in nokia it work, and i format it 2 days ago
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07:35<ompaul>plug the phone in over usb and see if you can get into it
07:36<stomanata>no. nothing.
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07:40<SynrG>which kernel? uname -r
07:40<stomanata>can i update my kernel to 3.0**** with synaptic btw?
07:41<SynrG>there is no backport of 3.0 to squeeze yet
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07:43<SynrG>see this recent inquiry about that:
07:43<lord_rob>Hi ! I'd like to buy a new laptop to put Debian on it. Any recommandation ?
07:44<SynrG>i think to get useful answers you need to narrow down the parameters a bit more than that.
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07:45<ayaka>could you tell where is audacious's IRC because I'm tring to compile it but it don't support my jacd1
07:45<lord_rob>SynrG: are you talking to me ?
07:45<dpkg>Audacious is an audio player forked from Beep Media Player #audacious on
07:45<SynrG>lord_rob: yes
07:46<stomanata>i think tha this isn`t for me :)
07:46<stomanata>something aboud card?
07:46<lord_rob>well actually I had a thinkpad for which I was very happy with. But now it's dead, screen dead :/
07:47<ayaka>SynrG, thanks, I can visit there page like show a temp page
07:47<bartm>lord_rob, repair?
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07:47<lord_rob>and thinkpads are very difficult to find if you aren't professional
07:47<lord_rob>bartm: it's from 2005 ;)
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07:47<SynrG>stomanata: multiple conversations ... my last comment to you was about backports. there is not yet a backport, though there has been a request for one, that's all.
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07:48<SynrG>stomanata: it is not generally recommended to try mixing testing/unstable kernels into squeeze but it is apparently possible with a udev upgrade.
07:48<ayaka>SynrG, by the way,do you know what happen in ?
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07:48<lord_rob>it still works when I connect it to an external screen screen, but that's not exactly the point of a lappy :)
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07:49<SynrG>ayaka: don't know. maybe related to the compromise a while back?
07:49<bartm>lord_rob, get a small flat screen monitor and some duct tape :)
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07:49<lord_rob>hehe :)
07:49<SynrG>lord_rob: so you're looking for an upgarde on a tight budget?
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07:50<SynrG>my only recent experience is with netbooks. i'm generally happy with my 1001PX, which is fairly cheap. if you're used to a laptop from 2005 you might be OK with the performance of such a thing
07:50<stomanata>ok. thanks SynrG
07:50<ayaka>SynrG, compromise what happen maybe I shall go to the offtopic
07:51<lord_rob>as I usually use my laptop to go in my garden or so, everything else is done with my standard box
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07:51<stomanata>question for kernel was just for info. my big problem is this stupid micrsd card :(
07:51<lord_rob>laptop using ssh to my main box would be the goal
07:51<lord_rob>I do that with my eeepc but well ...
07:51<ayaka>iceweasel is a little old gmail will not support it
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07:54<lord_rob>the problem with netbooks is not performances but is the screensize (I'm a programmer
07:54<bartm>do you need more than 80x24 ? :)
07:55<lord_rob>no but multiple windows with 80*25 is great ;)
07:55<SynrG>stomanata: the answer *may* be in a more recent kernel. that was my only reason for bringing it up.
07:55<SynrG>stomanata: otherwise, i don't know how to proceed with your problem.
07:55<lord_rob>displayed simulteanously
07:55<Zaba>lord_rob, hm, I find 11.6" @ 1366x768 large enough for programming
07:56<ayaka>could you tell which is the jacdk1's dev package?
07:56<Zaba>lord_rob, but anything smaller would be terrible
07:57<lord_rob>Zaba: got a netbook ?
07:57<Zaba>lord_rob, it's pretty much the only machine I use these days (well, coupled with my homeserver, but that's headless)
07:57<SynrG>lord_rob, Zaba: i'm a programmer as well. i agree the screensize is a pain, but i tend to use my desktop for programming, or else a vnc session (with panning) to my desktop system at work
07:58<Zaba>lord_rob, when I have a real shortage of disk space I connect a second (1680x1050, 20") monitor, though
07:58<Zaba>screen space
07:58<SynrG>otherwise, i use my netbook with vim fully maximized in it ...
07:58<SynrG>and that's fine
07:58<SynrG>as a primary mobile programming workstation, no, a netbook won't cut it
07:59<SynrG>i *have* attached it to a large display sometimes, but that's a hassle, too
07:59<SynrG>(kiss "mobile" goodbye, and that's the point of an ultraportable)
07:59<lord_rob>sure, and replacing a dead thinkpad by an eeepc is not exactly the same thing
07:59<lord_rob>it was just some kind of fashion thingie
08:00<Zaba>my netbook is a thinkpad x120e
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08:01<lord_rob>already more pro netbook
08:01<lord_rob>it did not exist when i bought mine
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08:01<Zaba>and I find it that the jump from 10.1" to 11.6" in screen size is really very noticeable
08:01<lord_rob>and if it did I wouldn't have bought it
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08:02<SynrG>x120e is not exactly a budget upgrade choice :)
08:02<Zaba>I have another older laptop with a 4:3 12.1" screen, that's even better, but it lacks a working battery, not to mention it's ten years old
08:02<lord_rob>I suppose SynrG they have that at work
08:03<lord_rob>their lappy are T500
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08:03<lord_rob>a t500 is a dream machine :)
08:03<SynrG>i wish my work would buy me a nice laptop. but they don't consider such expenditures essential for me :/
08:03<SynrG>but we're getting OT for here
08:04<lord_rob>sure if I could buy a t500 problem solved
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08:09<lord_rob>my eeepc's screen resolution is 1024*600
08:09<lord_rob>cannot code with that
08:09<lord_rob>only read mails
08:09<lord_rob>irc ;)
08:11<bartm>you could configure a larger virtual desktop and then scroll all the time :)
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08:14<stomanata>SynrG, can i download livecd with newer kernel to try?
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08:16<lord_rob>bartm: good idea, didn't think of that. Yes actually first time I tried Linux I had this virtual desktop thingie, and I found that cool (I was 15 tho)
08:19<cwood>Run your eeepc without X and use vim or emacs or something coder-friendly?
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08:20<lord_rob>I use phpmyadmin all the time
08:20<SynrG>stomanata: not yet. working on that, though.
08:21<lord_rob>and the goal is to write a java graphical program so no I can't go without X
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08:21<cwood>Oh, okay. You can do all of that except testing your java app without X, if you're interested.
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08:23<stomanata>so, no solution at this time?
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08:25<SynrG>no easy/supported solution
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08:27<stomanata>ok. thanks :)
08:27<ayaka>I'm tring compile audiacous 3 plugins but can't find jack even I install libjack-dev(I'm jacd1)
08:28<SynrG>stomanata: and besides, that a new kernel would help is only a hunch
08:28<SynrG>you might do some searching yourself for the message text to see if you can find out more.
08:29<stomanata>i search. and somebody says that kernel might be the problem
08:29<stomanata>i also try in win7, but he don`t "see" new usb device....
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08:30<lord_rob>cwood: to be honest I use XEmacs and I don't know how it works without X :-) (it works like Emacs if you use xemcs without X but well ...)
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08:32<lord_rob>if there wasn't X I would have never used Debian or Linux in general
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08:34<lord_rob>but I'm going offtopic here ...
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09:22<jaco_>i can not see the page of grooveshark on my computer..... this is the explorer advice:
09:22<jaco_>Tuvimos un problema cargando Flash. Debes tener un bloqueador de Flash instalado. Si es el caso, por favor desactiva el bloqueador (o añade una excepción) y recarga la pagina para empezar a escuchar.
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09:22<jaco_>it sais that the plugin is not installed
09:22<jaco_>but i have gnash
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09:23<jaco_>how can i make it work without installing adobes
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09:23<jaco_>or is this impossible??
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09:26<bartm>jaco_, what is "page of grooveshark" ? some website ?
09:27<wols_>!tell jaco_ about adobe flash
09:27<jaco_>it is for listening music
09:27<wols_>you can't if it requires a feature that only adobe flash has
09:28<jaco_>ok :)
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09:51<r4co0n>I need exim to accept mail supposedly from a localuser to another localuser only if the user(1st) has authed. How can this be done, I'm running exim4 on a lenny system.
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10:32<valdyn>r4co0n: do you want to recieve mail with that exim that is sent from elsewhere, say google?
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11:09<bartm>chewyboy000, do you have a debian related question?
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11:12<zxzChaos>How can I install the jre 6, it dosenot works on the firefox
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11:14<chewyboy000>What is this I am using my friends computer is this some facebook?]
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11:16<chewyboy000>What is this? Is this some social network?
11:16<Black_Prince>zxzChaos, apt-get install sun-java6-plugin (non-free repo needs to be enabled)
11:16<bartm>chewyboy000, google for "irc"
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11:18*babilen strongly recommends openjdk
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11:18<Black_Prince>Does not work with some java apps :-|
11:18<Black_Prince>Or even eats all my memory and causes 100% cpu usage when loading some ...
11:19<babilen>!tell zxzChaos -about install java
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11:20<r4co0n>valdyn: I do want to receive globally, but the guys on exim@freenode solved the issue already. Now I only need to be able to send from aliases as well, they get refused like non-authed users.
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11:21<r4co0n>I am authing against saslauthd
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11:26<bartm>Seven[up], english only please
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11:27<Seven[up]>bartm нет, саси
11:27<dpkg>from memory, ri is #del#
11:27<Seven[up]>вы странные
11:27<Seven[up]>зато я вас понимаю а вы меня не понимаете
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11:27<babilen>dpkg: ru
11:27<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
11:28<Seven[up]>dpkg нет, не пойду
11:28<dpkg>wish i knew, Seven[up]
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11:28<Seven[up]>мне и тут хорошо
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11:28<babilen>Seven[up]: /join #debian-russian
11:28<Seven[up]>babilen nope
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11:29<babilen>Seven[up]: Speak English then.
11:29<eightyei1ht>why does last(1) and lastb(1) not return the entries in /var/log/wtmp and /var/log/btmp respectfully?
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11:30<SovietSoldier>eightyei1ht просто ты еблан криворукий
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11:30<eightyei1ht>SovietSoldier: i don't speak russian
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11:31<eightyei1ht>i just did both a successful and unsuccessful login attempt as root, through a local pty, and i don't see the entries. is there something i'm missing?
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11:33<bartm>eightyei1ht, where are you looking for "the entries"?
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11:34<eightyei1ht>bartm: what do you mean 'where'? i'm using last(1) and lastb(1)
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11:34<eightyei1ht>they should be returning successful and failed logins
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11:35<eightyei1ht>however, paying closer attention to the manpage, it appears that it only logs tty entries, rather than pty entries
11:35*eightyei1ht tests
11:35<bartm>eightyei1ht, anything in /var/log/auth.log ?
11:36<eightyei1ht>yes, of course
11:37<eightyei1ht>i'm not necessarily interested in the actual login, as i am understanding the last(1) and lastb(1) commands, and the /var/log/?tmp files
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11:38<zxzChaos><Black_Prince> jre 6 works thank you very much
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11:41<noah1989>which package do i need to install to get package suggestions when i enter an unknown command?
11:41<bartm>which command ?
11:42<cthuluh>command-not-found, I guess
11:42<bartm>ah I understand now :)
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11:42<noah1989>cthuluh: thanks :)
11:43<chealer>heh, makes sense
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11:52<mercutio22>Hi. I just come across this link regarding better font rendering in ubuntu:
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11:52<mercutio22>and it works beatifully in debian
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11:53<mercutio22>I was thinking of submiting a bug as a wishlist or something so this can come by default in the future.
11:53<mercutio22>how can I do that?
11:54<mercutio22>which package would I have to file a bug against?
11:55<bartm>when would you have it installed ? I mean, in combination with which package ?
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11:56<bartm>oww I misunderstood that
11:56<sney>mercutio22: you'd have to understand exactly what is fixing it first, rather than that blogger's shotgun solution
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11:57<mercutio22>sney: what do you mean by shotgun solution?
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11:58<mercutio22>sney: he created a file ~/.fonts.conf with this:
11:58<sney>I mean the .fonts.conf with 6 statements in it and the "I don't know which is the magic setting responsible for letting the fonts come out all pretty"
11:58<mercutio22>sney: I see
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11:59<sney>he just tried a bunch of different things and it happened to work. Before you file a wishlist bug, you'll have to take his work apart and find exactly what is making the difference
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12:01<mercutio22>sney: I think he just copied the ~/.fonts.conf file from a ubuntu machine which happens to have the font rendering as he wants.
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12:02<sney>congratulations to him. why are you telling me? that doesn't change what you'd need to do for your bug to be taken seriously
12:03<mercutio22>sney: no reason. I was just trying to figure out how he came up with that xml config.
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12:13<clock>hi my skype sometimes hangs the computer up that it doesn't react to clicks, ctrl-alt-delete, reacts only to alt-sysrq-u-s-b
12:14<ompaul>clock: doubt that is skype
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12:17<clock>ompaul, X application should be able to hang computer, right?
12:17<clock>it hangs when webcam is used
12:18<clock>but the sound still works
12:18<clock>i can speak and hear during the call
12:18<ompaul>clock: I don't accept that the computer has hung,
12:18<ompaul>clock: try to ssh in remotely
12:18<ompaul>or have a session established where you have an ssh in from some other computer
12:19<ompaul>then test your theory
12:19<ompaul>I guess you will still be able to get in and do stuff
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12:19<noah1989>clock, ompaul : i guess it just crashes the X servr
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12:20<ompaul>noah1989: most likely, but sysrq is a ... very radical step
12:20<ompaul>clock: you are in danger of doing something nasty to your drive
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12:21<ompaul>clock: because when you ask the box to "reboot" like that you are operating outside the operating system
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12:21<ompaul>nothing clean and the disk could have a nasty write to somewhere you don't want, hopefully journaling helps but it may not
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12:22<ompaul>clock: I have seen it where a box forced reboot a hundred times or so and the n+1 reboot killed it
12:22<Zaba>depends on the sysrq commands that you issue
12:23<Zaba>alt+sysrq e+i+s+u+o is a -relatively- clean shutdown
12:24<ompaul>Zaba: when you have to, it is all well and good, but he appears not to have to.
12:24<Zaba>most processes will terminate cleanly on sigterm, then you sync filesystems, unmount all and remount / read-only, and only then actually poweroff
12:24<Zaba>it's nowhere near as bad as pulling the plug
12:24<Zaba>heck, it's roughly the same as the normal shutdown routine, if properly timed
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12:24<Zaba>of course, just alt+sysrq+o is more like pulling the plug :P
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12:25<Zaba>also, journaling in most cases just guarantees consistency of the filesystem itself, which is already great, but not necessarily the _data_
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12:30<clock>ompaul, aha yes, i can do that, I have laptop nex to it
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12:31<clock>ok thanks folks!
12:31<ompaul>clock: so if you know that plugging in something while skype is running is bad maybe tell the skype people
12:31<clock>next time when it happens, I ssh into the computer
12:31<ompaul>then look at dmesg
12:31<ompaul>and other logs
12:31<clock>aha! through the ssh, right?
12:32<clock>i find this recommendation very clever :)
12:32<clock>thanks :)
12:32<Zaba>what was the problem, originally? Skype froze X?
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12:32<clock>Zaba, yes
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12:35<clock>so i should look into dmesg, /var/log/syslog, X log and somewhere else?
12:35<ompaul>try top just to see if something is blitzing the machine
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12:36<clock>top also, ok
12:37<clock>u mean blitzing 100% cpu?
12:37<clock>i saw once firefox taking 104% cpu ;-)
12:37<Tone>hi i have some time using debian and i want to be part of debian project,some body can helpme
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12:37<wols_>Tone: how do you want to be a part?
12:38<clock>Tone, like some simple task for beginner?
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12:39<SCaraian>Tone: Here are some ways to help
12:39<Tone>yes a simple task to start
12:40<kristina>Hey everyone. I'm backing up some files and it gives me the option to either skipping or replacing the repeated files. Is there a simple way to make it skip all the repeated files at once?
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12:40<kristina>option of*
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12:42<Tone>clock : yes a simple task ,I want to participate in another way than sending bugs
12:43<clock>Tone, linux kernel had these kernel janitors, that was meant for such people
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12:44<SCaraian>Tone: Try fixing some bugs, write for the wiki or translate something. IF you have some programming experience try joining a team
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12:47<Tone><SCaraian> now I have a small development, alternative to networkmanager or wicd to connect to a wifi ap written in perl and bash
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12:50<Tone>SCarian : can i pack my program to upload to the repo and contribute it?
12:50<bartm>Tone, are you familiar with ?
12:53<Tone>bartm : I heard something about that, but I could not find
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12:54<nano-_>I'm getting denied changing wifi with network manager in debian sid. Do I have to be in some special group to do that?
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12:56<nano->it's the resource that my user is denied access to.
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12:57<nano->Any idea where that's configured?
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13:08<Tone><bartm> <SCaraian> <clock> thanks anks when I finish ncurses interface i tell you
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13:16<maxx>jeremiah__: did you try /usr/sbin/sensors-detect - it loads the modules and configures /etc/modules
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13:19<jeremiah__>maxx, i initally ran sensors-detect
13:20<jeremiah__>it87 does appear in my /etc/modules file
13:20<jeremiah__>but it doen't appear to be loaded
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13:20<jeremiah__>trying to modprobe it87 yields FATAL: Error inserting it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/it87.ko): Device or resource busy
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13:24<maxx>interesting, anythin in dmesg before that
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13:25<maxx>which kernel version are you running?
13:26<maxx>jeremiah__: acpi could be the reason
13:26<jeremiah__>Anything in particular I should look for in dmesg? Im running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64
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13:29<maxx>dmasg | grep it87 for example
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13:29<jeremiah__>i ran that command and nothing really jumped out at me
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13:30<maxx>according to the rh/fc bug it seems like a conflict with acpi as both drivers want to access the same i2c
13:30<jeremiah__>would an error of that kind look something like this?
13:31<jeremiah__>[ 189.586585] ACPI: I/O resource it87 [0x295-0x296] conflicts with ACPI region IP__ [0x295-0x296]
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13:31<nano->For some weird reason being in the netdev group doesn't give the user permission to access it seems.
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13:31<maxx>jeremiah__: yes. that's listed on as well
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13:32<maxx>jeremiah__: can you check if the sensors data is already available via acpi (cpu and fan stuff usually is)
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13:33<jeremiah__>All I see the the temp. output of k8temp-pci. I'm expecting to see more, like my fan speeds and the temp of the other two sensors
13:33<jeremiah__>and voltages
13:33<hello>sombody know how decrypt this wpa password dd1c0050f20101000050f20202000050f2040050f20201000050f2020c00
13:34<maxx>jeremiah__: looks like a kernel issue. you might want to try reporting a bug against the kernel or try a different kernel
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13:34<wols_>hello: you're on a fast track to get k-lined
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13:36<maxx>jeremiah__: anything pas 2.6.35 should do, you might want to give 3.0 a try
13:37<lleroy>I'm trying to get hdparm to spindown my harddrives after x amount of time, and i have edited hdparm.conf as i should, but when i boot i get a couple of error messages regarding hdparm, but i don't know how to fix it as this is a new install of debian and i haven't changed anything. I uploaded my hdparm.conf here: and my bootlog here: .
13:37<lleroy>The errors is on line 2 and 27. Anyone knows how to solve this?
13:37<jeremiah__>Thanks a lot maxx!
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13:42<lord_rob>I didn't know wpa2 was now the only secure algorithm remaining for WiFi
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13:42<hello>and it not a do for wpa 2?
13:42<hello>i have
13:42<hello>a .cap file
13:42<hello>with all
13:43<hello>mic key wpa key
13:43<hello>all detalis
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13:44<hello>and the wpa password have a 26 lenght default passsword
13:44<hello>a try with aircrack to crack the passsword but
13:44<hello>i not sure about dictionary
13:46<hello>an exploit something for wpa
13:46<hello>know sombody
13:46<wols_>hello: cracking support is against freenode policy. please stop
13:46<ompaul>and oftc
13:46<maxx>(and OFTC policy as well)
13:46<hello>ok ok
13:47<wols_>oops. oftc too, yes :)
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13:49<hello>i wa internet and fine wols
13:50<hello>and i have this network but it is lock
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13:51<jeremiah__>When I run lspci I can see my firewire hub but should I also be seeing devices attached to the firewire hub?
13:51<maxx>hello: since you're online you seem to have internet. please state your problem or question wrt debian, your other question is offtopic
13:52<Colin__>I'm having issues with the graphics (burred text, discolorations, pixelations) from a clean install of Debian. The only extras I put on were a graphical desktop and system utilities. Its on a 2.3 GHz dual-core G5 (old Power Mac) with an nVidia GeForce 6800 video card that is connected to a CRT monitor. I did had to put "nomodeset" at boot for it to even produce an output once it fully booted into the system. Does anyone know what might be
13:52<Colin__>causing this problem?
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13:53<maxx>Colin__: do you run non-free nvidia drivers?
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13:53<cwood>Colin__: I don't know what gives, but I can tell you how I'd start troubleshooting: is the issue only when you see it on the monitor, or does the screenshot look odd on another system?
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13:54<cwood>And if it's only on your CRT screen output, I'd check into a bad CRT, if using VESA fixes things, and how your system looks at the console.
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13:55<maxx>jeremiah__: i don't think so. fw devices are not pci devices. there's lspci, lsusb and i think ls1394 for firewire
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13:56<jeremiah__>ls1394 not found
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13:56<Colin__>I can't tell what its using because the text is blurred so badly.
13:57<cwood>Colin__: can you ssh into the system and check?
13:57<nano->this is what it looks like is there anything weird there?
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13:58<Colin__>No, I dont think network connections are open, but i can ping it from my computer. I tried to install ssh but it gave another error I can't read.
13:59<cwood>Can you boot from a live cd or something else and see your screen? Can you use another monitor?
13:59<bartm>Colin__, attach a different monitor?
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14:01<Colin__>I plan on doing that when I get a chance. Whenever I use a CD the display is normal. Actually it is normal during most of the boot sequence. I can see the penguin logo clearly. then is switches.
14:01<cwood>So with a livecd the display goes bad when it switches after the penguin logo?
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14:03<Colin__>No, sorry about the confusion. with any type of CD system, ie Mac OS X, the Debian installer. the display worked the whole time. When I use it now it changes to the messed up type at some point during booting
14:03<cwood>At least that implies the issue is with the installed OS, not your hardware.
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14:05<Colin__>I dont know if it helps, the video output is Apples DVI connector. I convert it to VGA then attach it to the monitor. And I dont think the OS is even recognizing the monitor.
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14:05<cwood>Colin__: Take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard that kernel mode switching can occasionally be a culprit. Perhaps see if this helps?
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14:06<espenh>If I want to discuss something about, what is the irc proper channel? Any alternative to #debian-doc? Not many people in that channel.
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14:07<niquil>Wow... ( this is from my nickserv info ): Last seen: Sun 21 Mar 2004 00:47:47 +0000 (7y 6m 13d 17:17:51 ago)
14:08<maxx>you should auth or otherwise if someone wants that nick he might get it
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14:08<Colin__>cwood: I had to use the "nomodeset" parmeter to get an output after the point where it switches. It's working in the sense that I get a picture, but its a really messed up one. I'll try that later.
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14:18<Colin__>Does Debian install with ssh on it? Where do I have to go to enable it? That would solve my graphics issues.
14:18<bartm>Colin__, apt-get install ssh
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14:20<chealer>Colin__: it depends on the choices you make in the installer
14:20<Colin__>bartm: When I do that it says Insert [debian versionx.x.x] Binary-1 CD and press enter. Isnt that the one I installed debian from?
14:20<bartm>Colin__, could be, depends on what cd you used to install debian from :)
14:21<cwood>apt-get install openssh-server # ssh is a metapackage
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14:22<Colin__>when I do that, It gives me some error I cant quite read then asks for my password, then tells me I'm not allowed to do that and it will be reported.
14:23<cwood>Use "su" to get to root. Then run apt-get after that.
14:23<cwood>Sudo isn't a default option here.
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14:27<Colin__>I keep getting something about being unable to lock admin directory
14:30<bartm>Colin__, do you know the root password ? use that password after typing this : su -
14:30<bartm>Colin__, and after that, type this : apt-get install openssh-server
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14:31<Colin__>I did and the prompt switched to root@debian: /home/colin But when I used apt-get it still gave that error.
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14:32<wols_>Colin__: does your debian have network access?
14:33<Colin__>Yes, it downloaded the graphical desktop and some utilities last night with a problem
14:35<wols_>then edit your sources.list and there is no more message of "please insert CD..."
14:35<wols_>and if the admin directory can't be locked then there is some other program running which uses libapt. update-manger, apt-get synaptic, etc
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14:37<Colin__>there shouldnt be anything else running. Its a clean install. parents=annoying I'll have to wait till later to do stuff. Where is the sources.list file at?
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14:38<bartm>Colin__, /etc/apt/sources.list
14:38<laarmen>Colin__: /etc/apt/sources.list I guess...
14:39<Colin__>Thanks everyone. I "should" be able to handle this once ssh works.
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14:39<bartm>Colin__, success with it, and greetz to the parents ;)
14:40<Colin__>I dont think would like to know that Im on this right now :)
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14:43<jafa>can i have burg in debian boot
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14:53<jafa>hi same one can help me
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14:56<bartm>jafa, what is "burg" ?
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14:59<dpkg>burg ("Brand-new Universal loadeR from GRUB") is a bootloader based on GNU <GRUB2>. Not in Debian, <ITP> filed as Debian bug #585827.
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15:00<amphi>jafa: what is grub not doing for you, that you yearn for burg?
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15:07<jafa>burg is an graphical boot splash
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15:09<jafa>as you can see
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15:09<bartm>jafa, so I guess bst_ has answered your question
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15:17<jafa>oh tenks
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15:20<Frosh> 64-bit DEBian, trying to install dwl-g122 d usb wireless adapter
15:20<Frosh>It recognize that its plug in, but wireless not up
15:20<Frosh>Any ideas?
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15:26*xfire78xx sera :)
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15:36<bonnix>i still get 'Unsupported codec for output stream' with ffmpeg even though i downloaded dmm
15:37<amphi>what is the output stream? file(1) should tell you something about it
15:39<Onryo>I was told to make a new user called Kali. Done. I was then given an example how to set him up. The example looks like this uid =1001 (kali) gid= 10 (wheel) groups = 0 (wheel), 10 (wheel). What I see when I do a "id" is uid =1001 (kali) gid=1001 (kali) groups=1001 (kali)
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15:39<Onryo>when I do a group on kali is is is not in any.
15:40<Onryo>Anyway what am I doing wrong?
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15:40<Onryo>if anything
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15:42<Onryo>jhutchins_lt, thanks for the 800 page book. I know what wheels are etc.
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15:44<Onryo>jhutchins_lt, chapters about the Linux kernel, schematic pictures of a hard drive is not was I was asking about.
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15:47<bonnix>i'm trying to convert from .mp4 (or .flv) --> .mp3 with ffmpeg do i have to install ffmpeg from the dmm? or just extra libraries or what
15:48<Onryo>bonnix, ffmpeg -i file.flv -acodec movie.mp3
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15:48<Onryo>bonnix song name not movie.mp3
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15:50<amphi>bonnix: or you could extract the sound with mplayer -dumpaudio and convert the result
15:50<Onryo>bonnix take a look at the codec in your file. Often you just need to change the container and not recompress.
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15:51<Onryo>bonnix if you get a flash video often you can do this. Take 30 sec max. No loss of quality. ffmpeg -i move.flv -acodec copy -vcodec copy movie.mkv
15:51<bonnix>but i should just be able to do 'ffmpeg -i file.mp4 file.mp3'
15:52<bonnix>hmm, weird. now it works.
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15:52<Onryo>mp4 is just the container.
15:52<Onryo>bonnix did it work?
15:53<bonnix>yes i used libmp3lame0
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15:53<Onryo>nice to hear.
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15:54<Onryo>bonnix, you can save your youtube flv and other flv 9 ot of time times to any container you want in a few seconds like this.
15:56<Onryo>bonnix, I give some examples here
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15:57<Onryo>bonnix, and a script that does all the boring work
15:57<archman>how come "aptitude update" still downloads a repository if i removed it from /etc/apt/sources.list?
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16:00<bonnix>cool-- what i do is use a firefox addon 'Video Downloadhelper' .. it has an option to convert using ffmpeg after it downloads. it's free in iceweasel but you have to pay in firefox for conversion enabling
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16:02<Onryo>bonnix download helper and all the other little toys for mozilla suck. Try this get_flash_video You can even download encrypted stuff ie hulu with some of the plugins.
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16:04<Onryo>bonnix to really make your life ultra easy here is a step by step for making it work with ALL sites. Don't have to worry about lame cookies and crap.
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16:07<Onryo>I have a question. I use a wheel for my sudoers. Thing is that I got some crappy instructions to make a user like this uid = 1001 (kali) gid =0 (wheel) groups = 0 (wheel), 10 (wheel)
16:07<Onryo>OK I made a user called kali
16:07<Onryo>he is in no groups
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16:07<Onryo>whats up with the gid=0 ?
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16:08<Onryo>and then the , 10 (wheel) part ?
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16:10<Onryo>what I think I know is that gid=0 refers to group id of te group root?
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16:10<Onryo>So whats up with that 10?
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16:12<babilen>Who gave you those instructions? (10 is uucp) What should this user be used for? What do you mean by "I user a wheel for my sudoers" ? Why don't you use adduser and have the user added to the standard groups as configured in /etc/adduser.conf ?
16:13<babilen>You might also want to take a look at /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz and /etc/group
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16:13<Onryo>babilen, my boss who cant find his head with both hands.
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16:15<Onryo>babilen, it is for a VPN that is going to only allow some users to use it.
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16:16<babilen>!tell Onryo -about wheel
16:16<Onryo>babilen, The first step to solve a problem is to know what it is. What do you think he wants from me here?
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16:17<babilen>Onryo: My shot in the dark would be: Create a user that belongs to its user group and can gain root privileges. The latter would be achieve by adding it to the "sudo" group or configuring /etc/sudoers accordingly -- Ask your boss about the semantics.
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16:19<Onryo>babilen Yeah I guess so. Same thing as just making a user and adding him to my sudoers list and then belonging to no groups? You think?
16:19<babilen>(maybe even belongs to the root group, but I would recommend to use a more fine-grained approach such as adding it to the "adm" group to allow access to logs (etc)
16:19<Onryo>babilen in my world not even God is in my root group. Ill tell my boss that if he is that dumb.
16:19<babilen>Onryo: No idea -- Ask ... as you can see in dpkg's message adding it to a "wheel" group wouldn't achieve anything. (unless you implement that)
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16:20<Onryo>babilen, truth is I don't think he knows what he is talking about. Going to ask him for details
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16:22<Onryo>babilen, thx, you have have confirmed what I suspected.
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16:22<babilen>Onryo: Good luck :)
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16:30<jardiamj>I've been trying to find ways to maximize battery time in my laptop and one tip I found was putting GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet pcie_aspm=force i915.i915_enable_rc6=1" in /etc/default/grub
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16:30<babilen>What does that do exactly?
16:31<jardiamj>but I don't know what it does, and I haven't been able to find so much information about it
16:31<jardiamj>that's exactly what I want to know babilen
16:31<jardiamj>I'm always reluctant to do something to my laptop if I don't know what it does
16:31<babilen>Apparently module options -- You might want to look into the i915 code if nothing else can be found.
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16:32<jardiamj>I was hopping somebody here could enlighten me about what it does..
16:33<ml|>jardiamj: /msg dpkg laptop mode ; might help
16:34<babilen>Not from the top of my head -- #intel-gfx on might though. I would look in the code .. Elaborated guess: pcie_aspm=force forces ASPM (power management) for PCI Express cards (not sure if that is needed) and i915_enable_rc6=1 enables whatever rc6 is
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16:36<babilen>jardiamj: thinking about it intel-gfx might not necessarily know that.
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16:38<wols_>aspm is powering down PCI(E) devices when idle. normally your ACPI should do this on its own, but as usual, ACPI is often bugge
16:38<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
16:38<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2:2.16.0-1; wheezy: 2:2.16.0-1
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16:39<Black_Prince>O ... Backported version is there. /me downloads it
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16:41<babilen>Looks as if intel-gfx enables i915_enable_rc6 by default nowadays -- I would take it to #intel-gfx and ask them about the specific semantics of that option and if it makes sense to disable it in the version that comes with squeeze. (see above)
16:42<babilen>(cf. and on SNB (i.e. sandybridge) too)
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16:46<jardiamj>thanks babilen I'll go to #intel-gfx
16:47<babilen>jardiamj: Lets see what they say -- bisecting that is fun, but not that interesting for me :)
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16:47<jardiamj>hahahaha... ok, I'll see what they say
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17:01<Onryo>Thinking about upgrading my P4 to a newer computer. I like older gear since I only use main. Anybody know if the Sandy Bridge 2600 with internal GPU works with Debian? I won't use binary firmware though.
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17:02<Onryo>and yes I am quite happy to use the testing (wheezy) repos if needed.
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17:14<wols_>Onryo: it works and no testing is needed. kernel 2.6.39 and xorg 7.5 are both in backports and work fine with sandy bridge
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17:16<jardiamj>babilen, This is what they say at #intel-gfx: rc6 is short for render c-state 6, it enables the GPU to automatically power down when not being used.
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17:16<Caro>hablan español?
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17:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:16<jardiamj>yo hablo español pero hay otro canal para debian en español
17:16<Caro>Ok :)
17:17<jardiamj>qu es #debian-es
17:17<Caro>Esque no manejo esto muy bien :S pero gracias
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17:17<babilen>jardiamj: thanks -- I've read it there :)
17:17<wols_>interesting how even gpus now have c states :)
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17:19<jardiamj>babilen, I didn't notice you were on that channel as well... lol
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18:11*NedC - IRC client sponsored by (Canadian stuff)
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18:11<NedC>helloooo, I'm rather desperately in need of help if anyone's around. should be an easy fix for someone with experience
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18:13<NedC>or alternatively if you could direct me to a help channel if there is one
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18:15<FingerWizard>NedC: With what?
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18:16<NedC>well, the short version is: install a package from a usb via command prompt
18:16<NedC>the long version is much more exciting if you want it though :P
18:16<NedC>or command line rather, my appologies
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18:17<NedC>so I'm using dpkg I figure but I'm not sure what command to use to direct it at the flash drive
18:18<laarmen>NedC: in root (or with sudo): dpkg -i /path/to/my_package.deb
18:19<laarmen>and then if there is a dependency problem, still in root: apt-get install
18:20<NedC>I do not have internet btw, side tip. let me try that
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18:23<laarmen>If you have all the dependencies either installed or on your drive, you can simply do dpkg -i /my_mount_point/*.deb
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18:29<NedC>dinner, thank you though!
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18:29<laarmen>You are very much welcome :-:)
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18:35<i3ear>how do I check my drivers?
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18:37<laarmen>i3ear: Hi ! Could you be a little more specific ?
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18:38<i3ear>how do I open the program that tells me what drivers I have, their status, their release, their name, and gives me general information about the hardware installed or built into my computer
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18:39<laarmen>I don't know if such thing exists in Debian, since most of the drivers are built into the kernel.
18:39<i3ear>I am trying to get this program to work, and I am talking to the person who programmed it
18:40<i3ear>he says that it is probably my graphics card driver
18:40<i3ear>so I want to know if I already have the proper driver installed or not
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18:40<i3ear>because I am scared to double install the driver :P This ain't windows babe
18:40<i3ear>also I am a linux noob so please keep that in mind
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18:40<laarmen>No problem.
18:41<i3ear>so can you help me out?
18:41<laarmen>Well, I can try.
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18:41<laarmen>What is your graphic card ?
18:41<i3ear>no idea, couldn't give you the exact model number
18:42<i3ear>all I know is that it is an integrated intel graphics thing
18:42<jardiamj>i3ear: lspci | grep VGA
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18:42<i3ear>what does that mean? should I put that in terminal or something?
18:43<laarmen>Exactly :)
18:43<jardiamj>yes, that should give you you graphic card info
18:43<i3ear>Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
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18:44<i3ear>also what is the copy/cut/paste keyboard shortcuts? I am used to windows ctrl+c, ctrl+v, and ctrl+x stuff :/
18:45<laarmen>They are the same, except in the terminal
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18:45<jardiamj>just highlight what you want to copy and then press the scroll, where you want to paste it
18:45<i3ear>ahhh alrighty, so can you help me out?
18:45<i3ear>highlighting is copy?
18:46<i3ear>did not know that
18:46<i3ear>no matter what terminal I use?
18:46<i3ear>I mean unless otherwise noted and all that
18:46<laarmen>It works with every application, not just the terminal.
18:46<i3ear>what if I don't want it to do that?
18:47<i3ear>like if I am highlighting stuff to delete and I want to repeatedly copy the same thing over and over again
18:47<laarmen>You delete, and then you highlight what you wanted to copy ;)
18:47<i3ear>haha alrighty alrighty
18:48<i3ear>anyway, my VGA issue plox?
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18:48<i3ear>does intel release first party drivers for linux?
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18:48<laarmen>IIRC (but I am no specialist) you should already use the intel drivers
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18:49<laarmen>Sadly, I have no idea how to test that.
18:49<i3ear>whell thank you though
18:49<laarmen>What is the software you wanted to use ?
18:49<i3ear>the issues is that this programmed called Phoenix Viewer, which is a third party second life viewer
18:50<i3ear>my gf personally knows the guy that wrote it
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18:50<laarmen>And what is the problem ?
18:50<i3ear>the graphics are not showing up properly and it is difficult to use
18:50<i3ear>like it works better on my windows box
18:50<i3ear>and that just disappoints the hell out of me :/
18:51<laarmen>Is it a native linux program or is it a windows app used through wine ?
18:51<i3ear>Hahaha I am not good eough for wine
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18:51<laarmen>Oh, and I forgot : what version of debian do you run ?
18:51<i3ear>uhm... not exactly sure
18:51<i3ear>I used the i386 minimal CD
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18:53<laarmen>type in a terminal: cat /etc/debian_version
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18:54<abrotman>i3ear: what's wrong with your system that you need to check the driver version ?
18:54<laarmen>He seems to have broken OpenGL
18:54<laarmen>For a third party program
18:55<abrotman>i doubt it
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18:55<laarmen>Well broken might be a bit too strong.
18:55<abrotman>i3ear: so what's wrong with your system ?
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18:55<i3ear>a program isn't displaying properly
18:56<i3ear>sorry if I restart by the way, having a hardware issue with my windows box
18:56<abrotman>right .. that's not telling us much ..
18:56<i3ear>I got the best of both worlds : D
18:56<abrotman>i3ear: what about it doesn't display correctly?
18:56<i3ear>Whell ok hold on let me get some copy pasting done here
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18:56<i3ear>whelp the program is called phoenix viewer
18:57<i3ear>it is a second life viewer
18:57<i3ear>when you go into preferences
18:57<i3ear>the sliders that control graphics quality don't work
18:57<i3ear>and won't show up
18:57<i3ear>it also lags an unusual amount
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18:57<i3ear>the whole program doe
18:58<laarmen>Oh! I thought it was graphic problems within the 2nd Life view, not the GUI !
18:58<abrotman>i3ear: can you get a screenshot?
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18:59<riley_>hey guys- where does sshd look for keys?
18:59<riley_>~/.ssh? or /home/user/.ssh?
18:59<dabir>i'm able to scan for networks, but it doesn't connect. here are the pastebin logs .. hoping someone can help : Oct 2 15:57:51 rallaX kernel: [ 7536.131780] ################>rtl8192ce_InitMAC()Reg0xEC:98053f15:11
18:59<dabir>Oct 2 15:57:51 rallaX kernel: [ 7536.131836] ################>rtl8192ce_InitMAC()Reg0xEC:98053f15:10
18:59<dabir>Oct 2 15:57:51 rallaX kernel: [ 7536.132747] gen_RefreshLedState first init
18:59<dabir>Oct 2 15:57:51 rallaX kernel: [ 7536.342154] rtl8192_SetWirelessMode(), wireless_mode:10, bEnableHT = 1
18:59<dabir>Oct 2 15:57:51 rallaX kernel: [ 7536.342216] InitializeAdapter8190(): ????
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18:59<babilen>riley_: yes
19:00<abrotman>riley_: those are the same ...
19:00<abrotman>yes ...
19:00<riley_>user mysql
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19:00<riley_>mysql's home is /var/lib/mysql
19:00*abrotman thinks the first problem is sshing as the mysql user ...
19:00<i3ear>abrotman: alrighty how do I send you the screenshot? email? tinypic?
19:00<riley_>-bash-3.1$ whoami
19:00<riley_>-bash-3.1$ cd
19:00<riley_>-bash-3.1$ pwd
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19:00<babilen>riley_: In the HOME directory
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19:01<babilen>But why would you want to ssh as the mysql user?
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19:01<Erbureth>riley: AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys
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19:01<Erbureth>(from sshd_config
19:02<abrotman>that looks fine to me
19:02<babilen>same here
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19:02<Erbureth>%h is replaced by the home directory of the user being authenticated
19:03<i3ear>see where it says "mesh detail"?
19:03<i3ear>"objects, flexiprims, trees, etc etc"?
19:04<riley_>#AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys
19:04<riley_>is that commented out?
19:04<abrotman>i3ear: yeah .. so what?
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19:04<babilen>riley_: What are you trying to do?
19:04<abrotman>riley_: the man sshd_config will have a default
19:04<riley_>ssh into user mysql without having to enter a password
19:04<Erbureth>riley: i guess that's default settings
19:05<i3ear>there should be sliders there
19:05<Erbureth>riley_: see man sshd_config
19:05<i3ear>hold on let me get another screenshot
19:05<i3ear>of what it should look like
19:05<babilen>riley_: Just use "ssh-copy-id" fwiw .. I am still not convinced that this is a good idea, but meh
19:05<riley_>i know it's a horrible idea
19:05<riley_>but i work for retards
19:06<Erbureth>riley_: why would you wanna do that anyway?
19:06<riley_>because my boss told me to
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19:06<Erbureth>ah, i see :D
19:06<riley_>we are copying mysql .MYI, .MYD, and .frm files
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19:06<riley_>*i know i know* it's fucknig retards
19:06<abrotman>i3ear: i have no idea what that would have to do with your graphics drivers
19:07<Erbureth>riley: i do not think that way of backing up data is safe
19:07<riley_>if someone touched the db while trying to copy these files, everything gets fucked up *i know i know*
19:07<abrotman>i3ear: you have the driver that is currently in Xorg in squeeze .. you can see the versoin with dpkg -l
19:07<Erbureth>it can lead to inconsisten files
19:07<riley_>i told him, but i also need a paycheck
19:07<Erbureth>riley_: mysql-dump
19:07<babilen>riley_: You really want mysql-^^^
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19:07<riley_>mysqldump is orders of magnitude slower than copying the files
19:08<abrotman>but it's the correct way?
19:08<riley_>we have GIGANTIC tables
19:08<riley_>i told my boss that
19:08<babilen>riley_: But well -- The key's are searched for in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and I recommend to use ssh-copy-id to copy keys around.
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19:08<Erbureth>riley: then maybe some replication server
19:08<Erbureth>or just backing up logs
19:08<riley_>i set up the keys- it doesnt work for user mysql
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19:08<Erbureth>so you can replay transactions
19:08<riley_>i think there is something special about the mysql user
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19:08<i3ear>what it is supposed to look like
19:09<i3ear>the person that prorammed this told me that it might be my graphics driver
19:09<owner_>need some help setting up grub to dual-boot windows, can someone im me? ive tried every tutorial i can think of
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19:09<i3ear>and gave me no other leads :/
19:09<babilen>owner_: Install os-prober, run it and paste the output to
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19:12<dabir>i'm able to scan with wicd, but some reason i'm not able to connect to my wireless. here are the logs:
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19:23<dabir>anyone see what's wrong with my wireless ? it scans and sees the wireless network, but is not able to connect
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19:25<Golfgeo>Hi all
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19:28<Colin__>I installed Debian on a Power Mac and it over wrote the BIOS that was there now it wont boot the Mac CD.
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19:29<Golfgeo>How does one enable acpi on a 2.4.27 kernel? Installing Sarge as a virtual machine and need it so the guest can be powered down via the command line of the host
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19:30<daemonkeeper>As far as I recall, ACPI was pretty broken in times of 2.4
19:31<Golfgeo>Yep, reusing an ipchains firewall and that kernel supports it...
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19:31<oscartapialuviano>WHO ARE YOU
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19:32<daemonkeeper>Golfgeo: Why on earth do you need ipchains? iptables is sooo much better
19:32<daemonkeeper>Also, a firewall which wasn't updated for 5 years is probably a bad idea, security-wise.
19:33<daemonkeeper>No, s/probably//
19:33<daemonkeeper>it IS a bad idea.
19:33<Golfgeo>Since the script is complicated and I don't have time to rewrite it atm...
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19:36<Golfgeo>But to get back to the question, acpi should be compiled into the kernel (>= 2.4.20) but I need to (if I remember correcly) append to lilo an option... but what is that option?
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19:37<Golfgeo>My grammer sucks once again :-D
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19:37<schwagg>anyone help with a grub setup? got disconnected earlier
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19:40<Golfgeo>acpi=force :-D
19:40<Golfgeo>lets see if it will work :-)
19:40<daemonkeeper>I doubt it. ACPI was really broken in most 2.4 kernels.
19:42<Golfgeo>well, I know I got it to work on Sarge somehow... If it won't work, then I'll guess I'll have to use some sort of vm appliance for routing, but I hope this solves the powerdown issue
19:42<schwagg>need to know how to setup a windows/debian machine to dual-boot
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19:43<daemonkeeper>schwagg: Install Windows first, Linux later, have fun. Don't forget to install os-prober.
19:44<schwagg>thats what i did.....
19:45<schwagg>and if there isnt gonna be a better responce than here read this tutorial, or do something you already did, than dont bother responding
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19:46<daemonkeeper>As far as I can see, you didn't tell about any particular problem.
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19:48<schwagg>im trying to dual-boot windows and debian, ive installed os-prober and ran it as well as doing an update-grub/2 with no todo
19:48<daemonkeeper>That's no problem. It didn't find any Windows or what?
19:49<schwagg>ive tried manually editing it as well, according to several different tutorials
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19:50<schwagg>when i run it it finds all my different linux kernels and update-grub readds them to grub.cfg, but no windows is added
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19:50<schwagg>i dunno if its how its partitioned or what
19:50<schwagg>i have 1 hdd, with two partitions, one being windows and one being linux
19:50<schwagg>im thinking maybe its because it expects me to have 2 different hdds?
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19:50<daemonkeeper>Unless you really knew what you did, you will have at least two Linux partitions.
19:50<laarmen>schwagg: have you installed os-prober ?
19:51<schwagg>yes laarmen
19:51<schwagg>er well if you wanna be technical i have 3, manual setup with a swap partition
19:51<daemonkeeper>So sda1 Windows, sda2 root and sda3 swap or so?
19:51<schwagg>im saying two because theres two major ones, windows and linux
19:52<schwagg>im not including the boot sectors from either lol
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19:52<laarmen>And when you mount your windows partition, do you succeed, with all the right content etc ?
19:53<schwagg>i had thought at first i needed to mount the partition before i ran os-prober, but i did and it did nothing
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19:54<daemonkeeper>Can you run os-prober /dev/sda1 (or wherever your Winows is)
19:54<schwagg>when i run os-prober is it supposed to say anything? or am i doing something wrong, cuz it just waits a few seconds and goes straight back to the terminal
19:54<schwagg>ok yeah ill run it and use a pastebin
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19:54<schwagg>it did nothing
19:54<daemonkeeper>It is supposed to find a Windows and telling you that :>
19:54<schwagg>just went back to the prompt again
19:55<schwagg>sda5 is my windows partition, should i use it?
19:55<schwagg>well i tried and it did nothing as well o.O
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19:56<Golfgeo>Well, the shutdown from the virtualbox terminal isn't processed, but if given on the commandline of the host, then the guest is powered down properly... So a 50% succesrate :-)
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19:56<Golfgeo>*succes factor I should say
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19:58<schwagg>ok so nothing i do in os-prober does anything, it just goes straight back to the prompt after a couple seconds
19:58<Golfgeo>gtg people :-)
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19:59<daemonkeeper>That's not exactly what it is supposed to do.
19:59<schwagg>oh whats it do?
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20:03<schwagg>it does nothing o.O
20:04<schwagg>perhaps i got a botched version? os-prober --help doesnt even give the help file
20:04<daemonkeeper>Because usability of os-prober sucks. It is not supposed as end user program.
20:04<daemonkeeper>What's your Windows by the way?
20:05<schwagg>windows xp
20:05<daemonkeeper>Well, that should be ok.
20:05<schwagg>ok well i did an apt-get remove --purge os-prober, then reinstalled and it still does nothing
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20:06<daemonkeeper>Can you join #debian-boot and ask there? They are who are providing os-prober.
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20:08<gsimmons>Frosh: Again, which driver are you using? I don't believe a 64-bit NDIS 5 driver was made available for the 88W8338 chip.
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20:20<Frosh>gsimmons: I took the one from the windows 7 64 bit
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20:21<gsimmons>Frosh: That won't work, as NDISwrapper currently does not support NDIS 6.x.
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20:24<Frosh>O that sucks, I don't think I'll find WinXP 64bit
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20:26<gsimmons>Frosh: A device based on the same chip (ZEW2502) has a driver which may be compatible, just a moment.
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20:35<riley_>hey- in rsync, say a i want to copy a file to /foo/bar/jo/fat/tone/foo
20:35<riley_>and ..fat/tone/foo doesn't exist yet-
20:36<riley_>how can i say, create if doesn't exit?
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20:43<abrotman>should do it magically
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20:50<hdon>hi all :) does postfix support SSL?
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20:51<daemonkeeper>Of course it does.
20:51<hdon>do i need to configure inetd to listen on smtps then?
20:52<daemonkeeper>Postfix does not run from inetd.
20:52<hdon>oh, whoops i had the wrong file open
20:52<gsimmons>Frosh: Try using the driver from . It's basically the 64-bit NDIS 5 driver portion from, with the DWL-G122 revision D's USB ID added. You would want to remove the existing oem12 and netmw226 drivers from your system first (via ndiswrapper -e foo).
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20:52<hdon>well my smtps port is definitely not open on any interface :(
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20:58<hdon>what's the distinction between SSL and TLS? i thought they were just different implementations
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21:08<daemonkeeper>TLS is SSL. The difference is just when the encryption is established. For SSL its before the handshake, for TLS an unencrypted connection is upgraded to a SSL connection.
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21:09<hdon>daemonkeeper, thanks :)
21:09<hdon>i think i figured it out
21:09<hdon>the file was not an example inetd configuration file, postfix has its own "master" process that that file is for
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21:10*hdon waits while his smtp client seems to hang
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21:12<hdon>hmm, now i need a sasl authentication mechanism
21:13<hdon>warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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21:17<Frosh>gsimmons: That worked, amazing..
21:19<gsimmons>Frosh: np
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21:42<fullname>what irc clients allow port customization?
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21:50<hdon>is it wise for me to put dovecot and postfix users into the "mail" group?
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22:01<hdon>ok... why am i even trying to use dovecot sasl? all i want is passwd authentication over ssl. what sasl method do i tell postfix to use for that?
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22:16<hdon>i see i only support cyrus and dovecot sasl in postfix
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22:33<hdon>can i tell postfix not to tarpit/throttle me? it's making troubleshooting more timeconsuming :(
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22:52<i3ear>hey I am trying to install this
22:53<i3ear>I get the debian package and I get this error
22:53<i3ear>Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python2.3
22:53<i3ear>what do? D:
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22:56<sney>do you see the word "deprecated" on that page?
22:57<sney>just use the first link
22:57<i3ear>Whell... I got the debian installer
22:57<sney>the deprecated debian installer.
22:57<i3ear>how do I do the linux soure package?
22:57<sney>download it, untar the archive to a directory, and run the python script it tells you to
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22:59<sney>that debian package is 6 years out of date. whoa
22:59<i3ear>:( I don't know where the python script is
23:00<sney>also, that notifier program is so old that I doubt it'll work anyway
23:00<sney>gmail has changed many times since 2007
23:00<i3ear>whell, I would like something that works like it
23:01<i3ear>something that notifys me when I have mail in my gmail
23:01<i3ear>but I don't want a full on mail manager
23:01<i3ear>any ideas?
23:02<sney>I think aMSN and pidgin have mail notify support built in
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23:02<i3ear>I got amsn
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23:02<i3ear>and pidgeon
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23:04<i3ear>heh you are right thanks
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