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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-03

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00:31<jbarriga>Alguien habla español?
00:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
00:31<yz>hi,I am a new user of irc
00:32<jbarriga> #debian-es
00:32<cmr>yz: Hello, new user of irc.
00:32<jbarriga>= I
00:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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00:33<jbarriga>como cambio de canal a español?
00:33<cmr>jbarriga: /j #debian-es
00:33<sney>con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
00:33<jbarriga>gracias ya pude
00:33<cmr>sney: Thanks :)
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00:36<rockbinxon> como funciona esto
00:36<yz>cmr: hi
00:37<rockbinxon>hello world
00:37<rockbinxon>i'm here
00:37<sney>I guess those netbooks are on sale again
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01:43<veritas>ubuntu is an Ancient African word that means that Linux us now so dumbed down that even 70 or 85 IQ niggers can use. Sing koombuya with the hook nose kike Jewish communist Richard Stallman and the nigger named ubuntu
01:43<veritas>celebrate divershitty !
01:43<veritas>hells yeah niggas
01:43<veritas>FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p2 #4: Mon Oct 10 16:10:10 EDT 2011 root@:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ELITE i386
01:43<veritas>w00t !
01:43<veritas>fuck off
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01:44<g0rs>what is the usual iq of freebsd users?
01:44<bluewater>a lot higher than that moron
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01:52<edong23>wtf was that about?
01:52<cmr>edong23: People are dicks.
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02:39<jm_>I somehow remember there's a package out there which makes it easy to take existing debian source package and build a deb using newer sources, but can't find it with my search patterns - what's the package name?
02:43<gsimmons>jm_: uupdate? (devscripts)
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02:44<jm_>gsimmons: that's it (so no package name), thank you
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02:47<jmfurlott>is there any way to install gnome 3.2 without leaving sid?
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02:57<c33s>bye bye
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03:36<gepla>hallo zusammen
03:38<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
03:39<gepla>kann mir jemand sagen wie ich in einem 5er debian server die zweite netzwerkkarte für eine interne domain einbinden kann und einen proxy zwischen die zwei karten schalte?
03:43<gepla>Ist jemand online?
03:44<retro|blah>This is an English-speaking channel. See above for a German-speaking channel.
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03:45<ompaul>gepla: /join
03:46<cmr>How can I solve this: Should I move it to #debian-next (I'm running sid). I'm using systemd. boinc failed to install (configuration step failed), trying to get rid of it.
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03:47<gepla>ups thanks can somebody tell me how to activate in debian 5 server a second nic with an internal domain and establish a proyserver between the two cards?
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03:47<gepla>eg dns server, binding and ports?
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03:50<jm_>cmr: is systemd running?
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03:51<cmr>jm_: Yes, of course, it is init.
03:52<gepla>shure i´m online here - the problem is I can adress the second card as eth0 with ip4 but don´t get an active state. The proxy takes my config but then blocks all trafic
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03:56<jm_>cmr: do you have nfs-common installed?
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03:57<cmr>jm_: Nope
03:57<cmr>jm_: Should I?
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04:00<jm_>cmr: no, there's a bug which might cause this ( )
04:01<jm_>cmr: maybe also try this
04:01<cmr>Ah, I knew about that nfs-common bug, but not that second one.
04:02<cmr>Hm, "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /run/systemd/private: Connection refused
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04:02<cmr>So, time to go debug that.
04:02<jm_> also mentiones error message "Breaking ordering cycle by deleting job dbus.socket/start" - so maybe something else has caused this on your system
04:03<jm_>would be good to know how to see these error message, maybe logs?
04:04<cmr>jm_: Which error messages?
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04:04<jm_>cmr: I should have said "these error messages" -- anything that it might say on your system
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04:09<alex_>hi there Anybody available to help me to configure Tsocks ?
04:14<cmr>jm_: dbus and systemd are acting strange.. I think I'll just jump back to sysv
04:14<alex_>is anybody available to help me to coinfigure Tsocks ?
04:14<jm_>cmr: yes, it looks like it doesn't start dbus.socket or somesuch, but I am not really familiar with how it works
04:15<cmr>jm_: Me either... but it seems to be important ;0
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04:17<konverguoju>hello, any ideas how do I figure out whether my system supports ASPM and if so is it enabled by default?
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04:21<jm_>konverguoju: try cat /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy
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04:23<jm_>there is a regression where this is disabled by default in recent kernels (the Phoronix story) but you can enable it yourself (echo > /sys... or kernel parameter)
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04:28<afuentes>is there some program that is able to make an snapshot of the process when cpu usage goes to 90%?
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04:29<jm_>afuentes: gcore
04:29<jm_>so yes
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04:35<konverguoju>jm_: thanks, it says it is default on powersaver
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04:36<jm_>konverguoju: looks good then
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04:37<konverguoju>I've seen some forums threads going about editing grub to force aspm on boot, does it matter if I enable it?
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04:37<jm_>not if it's already enabled (i.e. [powersave])
04:38<konverguoju>jm_: ok, thank you :]
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04:38<jm_>konverguoju: no worries
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04:39<Wingless>Hello there. I've noticed that the shutdown command seems to ignore the -t flag. When I run shutdown -h -t 60 now or shutdown -r -t 60 now, the -t 60 part seems to have no effect and the system will shut down / reboot without pauses. Is that normal, or am I missing something?
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04:44<jm_>Wingless: perhaps bug #375274 ?
04:46<jm_>#372668 might also be relevant
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04:51<gnugr>Wingless: name specific time : shutdown -h now , or shutdown -h 11:30 &
04:51<Wingless>I see that telinit / init also accepts a -t flag that does the same thing. I suppose shutdown just forwards this argument. If init doesn't bother waiting to send processes a SIGKILL if a SIGTERM worked, then that would explain why -t 60 seems to have no effect, but I can't find wording to that effectin the man page
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04:52<Wingless>gnugr: My understanding is that -t specifies the time between when processes will be sent SIGTERM and later, if they don't stop, a SIGKILL
04:52<gnugr>i never used -t flag
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04:53<gnugr>time needs to be specific iirc
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04:53<Wingless>I'm not trying to use -t to tell the system when to shut down; that isn't the issue. It isn't used for that as I understand it
04:54<jm_>yes that's what the bugs are about - to improve the man page
04:55<Wingless>the man page for shutdown is definitely a bit confusing when it comes to -t :)
04:56<gnugr>i think -t flag is for seconds
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04:57<Wingless>It is. But I think it refers to the number of seconds that init should wait after issuing a polite SIGTERM before tearing processes down forcefully with a SIGKILL.
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04:59<Wingless>Do you know if init doesn't bother issuing a SIGKILL and just proceeds as normal if every process responds to the SIGTERM immediately?
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04:59<Wingless>that would make sense and explain why -t 60 has no effect on my system under normal circumstances
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05:02<Wingless>I'm guessing init doesn't wait for the specified time if a SIGTERM works just fine.
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05:02<Wingless>probably isn't a bug
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05:03<shanks>to watch a DVD in debian (say with totem) is it still necessary to get libcss from debian-multimedia, or is that process redundant now?
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05:07<newb12466343>hi to all and have a good day :)
05:09<Wingless>gnugr, jm_: thanks
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05:12<alex_>HEY is anybody able to configure Tsocks ??
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05:16<konverguoju>jm_: are you sure catting /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy and output being "[default] powersaver" means aspm interface is being used, or is it just set to be on?
05:16<konverguoju>it's tough with this hardware stuff :D
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05:17<shanks>alex_: tsocks should work automatically. it redirects kernel network calls..
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05:17<alex_>shanks: are you able to configure it ? can u help me?
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05:29<triferema>hi i need help with cache server on debian
05:29<triferema>any good tutorial or manuals
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05:30<jm_>konverguoju: see this message <jm_> not if it's already enabled (i.e. [powersave])
05:31<jm_>konverguoju: so for you it's disabled
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05:43<konverguoju>reading this article, it says If you're not using the Intel Linux graphics driver but another DRM/KMS driver, these options do not carry over to the other Linux drivers.
05:44<konverguoju>how do I know if I'm using linux intel drivers?
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05:44<konverguoju>sorry, but I'm new to linux
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05:44<jm_>!which driver
05:44<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
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05:45<konverguoju>ok, thanks, how do I learn this stuff and what should I study?
05:47<Wingless>I can't find the source code for the init used in Debian. I'm looking here - is this not the right location?
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05:49<Torsten_W>Wingless, i would look here since debian is using sysvinit
05:49<Wingless>oh, awesome
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05:52*Black_Prince points to
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06:06<Lantizia>Hey I want to see what a script meddles with on my filesystem.... is there anything I can run before the script that'll monitor the files added/edited to the filesystem? I've seen this inotify thing but can't find any utility that implements it
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06:21<mahdi>Ciao a tutti
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06:22<mahdi>ho un problema con debian appena installato: non mi riconosce la scheda wireless
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06:22<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:23<mahdi>ho trovato la soluzione ma non so come si fà a installare i firmware...
06:23<mahdi>ok thanks
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06:26<afuentes>is there a technical reason why bash.autocompletion is disabled for root account but its enabled for regular users?
06:26<afuentes>by default?
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06:32<ComradeHaz`>Hey all, does anyone know if compression can be disabled for duplicity backups, and if so, how?
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06:38<jm_>afuentes: probably because regular users are added via useradd and get it via /etc/skel/.bashrc, but root isn't (just speculating)
06:38<ComradeHaz`>Sorry, I completely missed the point of my question. (Not enough coffee drunk yet) What I meant was: oes anyone know if compression can be disabled for duplicity backups through ninja-helper, and if so, how?
06:38<ComradeHaz`>Bangs head, downs coffee and tries one more time.
06:38<jm_>then again, I haven't installed debian for quite a while so I don't know how the default .bashrc looks like for root (if there is one)
06:39<ComradeHaz`>Sorry, I completely missed the point of my question. (Not enough coffee drunk yet) What I meant was: Does anyone know if compression can be disabled for duplicityrdiff backups through ninja-helper, and if so, how?
06:39*ComradeHaz` cries a little bit
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06:39<afuentes>jm_, you are right... thats why its happening technically... my question was... why is that the default? is there something wrong with autocompletion for the root to use or what? the first thing i do when i install a computer is copy .bashrc from my user to root, because it has more sane defaults IMHO
06:39<ComradeHaz`>Maybe I should just go back to bed?
06:40<divine9>need some morning sex to clear your head
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06:40<ComradeHaz`>lol divine9, the lady is over 200 miles away :(
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06:41<wompa>I have a .bashrc in /root, and bash autocompletion seems to work when I make a 'proper' login at a tty (alt+f1 for instance), but not when I start a root terminal in Gnome
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06:41<ComradeHaz`>Have to settle with a website ;)
06:42<divine9>its times like these that you wish you had a live in maid
06:43<divine9>sorry ill stop.. perhaps im projecting
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06:46<afuentes>wompa, then probably you are sourcing /etc/bash_completion in /etc/profile
06:47<afuentes>my question is more why is not default... who would not want bash to autocomplete u.U
06:47<afuentes>maybe there is some evil im missing
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06:59<Wingless>gnugr, jm_: looks like init does indeed skip sending processes the SIGKILL if SIGTERM does its job the first time around, so specifying -t 60 in shutdown will only take effect if a process is taking a long time to stop
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07:31<RAS>Hi people
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07:31<RAS> I'm build a live cd , but i can do this, because i receive this error:
07:31<RAS> W: GPG error: lenny-snapshots Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6F95B4996CA7B5A6
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07:58<konverguoju>anyone here has been recently resolving nvidia optimus under linux issue recently?
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08:18<Duder>Hi, how can I see what video driver I'm currently using? The command on the wiki doesn't work
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08:20<allorder>Duder: grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesnt work ?
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08:21<Duder>This is the output I get
08:21<Duder>doesn't really tell me which one is in use?
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08:22<jm_>sure it does
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08:24<Duder>What is it then? "X.Org Video Driver" ?
08:25<anbe>hi Duder, still working on your problem?
08:25<jm_>it's vesa
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08:26<Duder>Where does it say that?
08:26<Duder>anbe, kinda
08:27<anbe>what's in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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08:28<Duder>it's empty and I get errors when i try to run Xorg -configure
08:28<Duder>"Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed"
08:28<abrotman>empty or missing ?
08:29<abrotman>and what is your video device? lspci -nn | grep VGA
08:29<jm_>you want to use X -configure :1 if X server is running already
08:29<Duder>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1080] (rev a1)
08:29<Duder>it's a 580gtx
08:30*abrotman backs away quickly
08:30<Duder>jm_, I tried with X server not running
08:30<anbe>what version of nvidia-glx did you install?
08:30<jm_>Duder: which debian version are you using?
08:30<Duder>How did you read the output about what video driver is in use anyways? The text mentions vesa, nouveau and nv
08:31<Duder>I have not installed any proprietary drivers yet and im using stable
08:31<Duder>is the vesa driver not capable of rendering resolutions over 800x600?
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08:31<jm_>drivers in stable are too old for 580
08:32<jm_>no it can do that if you write xorg.conf
08:32<Duder>I want to try to run a fully free system and see if it's feasible before I install any proprietyar drivers
08:33<Duder>So I need to manually write xorg.conf for that? Xorg -configure gives me errors
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08:38<jm_>looks like it
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08:39<anbe>Duder, All sorts of fun. Not all of these cards already work well using Nouveau, development is in progress. It is recommended to use the Linux 3.1 kernel or newer (or a backported driver from this kernel).
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08:41<Duder>anbe, So what's the difference between using vesa and nouveau
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08:43<anbe>!tell duder about nouveau
08:43<anbe>!tell duder about vesa
08:43<Duder>anbe, would installing that driver make "Xorg -configure" work?
08:44<babilen>Duder: Xorg autoconfigures itself and it is preferred to place little snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d if necessary.
08:44<babilen>!tell Duder -about empty xorg.conf
08:45<babilen>!tell Duder -about xorg.conf.d
08:45*anbe has no experience with nouveau (nor Xorg -configure) - most of my nvidia systems are headless machines for CUDA and OpenCL applications requiring the proprietary driver
08:46<babilen>+1 on that
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08:47<Duder>How can I tell which version of nouveau i need?
08:48<jordanm>,versions xserver-xorg-videa-nouveau
08:48<judd>No package named 'xserver-xorg-videa-nouveau' was found in i386.
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08:49<Duder>,versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
08:49<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1+b2; wheezy: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1+b2; experimental: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1+exp1
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08:49<Duder>Yeah I already saw that but I don't know if is enough?
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08:50<babilen>Duder: -- If not listed: #nouveau on
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08:51<babilen>.oO( That site is really incomplete )
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08:59<rysiek>back again
08:59<rysiek>now I get E: Release file expired, ignoring (invalid since 16h 26min 2s)
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09:00<anbe>rysiek, try a different mirror, that one does not look up-to-date
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09:03<Duder>i installed the nouveau backport drivers but Xorg -configure still doesnt work
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09:04<Duder>any ideas?
09:08<abrotman>you wouldn't need to use Xorg -configure if you're using noveau
09:09<Duder>then how do I tell the system to use noveau instead of vesa
09:10<jm_>it is trying to use it but it looks like it doesn't support your card - man nouveau to see a list of supported ones
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09:12<rysiek>anbe: thanks
09:12<Duder>jm_, that list looks very old, not the same as
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09:13<rysiek>anbe: where do I change that?
09:13<jm_>Duder: the wiki one is for the laste version, not what you have installed
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09:13<Duder>jm_, I installed the one from the backports, is that not the latest version?
09:14<Duder>anyways it just says it might be supported, so maybe there is no support for it at all
09:14<Duder>I just want to change resolution ;_;
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09:15<babilen>Duder: So #nouveau confirmed that the version in backports works with your card? If so: Please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:15<jm_>Duder: no idea, reading through X logfile will often yield more clues (i.e. some drivers dump list of supported cards in there etc.)
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09:16<jm_>Duder: why don't you simply write a config file? it would save you a klot of time
09:16<Duder>babilen, no I never asked them...
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09:17<Duder>jm_, How do I do that? Is there some sample I can copy most stuff from?
09:17<divine9>whats most effective way of installing packages offline with out cd/dvd drive(ie netbook)?
09:18<babilen>Duder: You might want to. Reading the Xorg.0.log might also give pointers into what is wrong, so would the output of "xrandr" -- But please find out which driver version (if any) supports your card. All this is futile and wasted time if you card is not (yet) supported by nouveau
09:18<babilen>!tell divine9 -about apt-zip
09:18<babilen>!tell divine9 -about apt-walkabout
09:18<Duder>babilen, ok thanks i'm going to ask them now
09:21<divine9>thank you babilen
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09:22<jm_>thats without input stuff since I assume you don't need that
09:22<babilen>jm_: That's for nvidia and overkill as not all sections are needed
09:22<jm_>so possibly comment out InputDevice lines
09:22<jm_>babilen: feel free to give him a better one
09:22<anbe>!tell rysiek about sources.list
09:22<duan_huiqiang>i got a warning about duplicate sources when i did "apt-get update",but i think they are diferentsources.the warning like this:
09:22<babilen>There shouldn't the need if you want to use nouveau
09:23<jm_>I know very well that it's for nvidia driver since that's my .conf
09:23<duan_huiqiang>W: Duplicate sources.list entry squeeze/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/
09:23<jm_>nouveau doesn't work for him ...
09:23<rysiek>anbe: lol, I thought there's a live-build specific way
09:23<babilen>duan_huiqiang: Show us your sources.list and the complete output on please
09:23<babilen>jm_: Has that been confirmed?
09:23<andres>kilall skype
09:23<babilen>andres: ETERM
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09:25<Duder>they don't seem to know about if my gpu is compatible in #nouveau
09:25<duan_huiqiang>babilen: yes,i will past them there,thank you
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09:25<Duder>I just want to get my native resolution, how do I do this with vesa drivers?
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09:26<babilen>jm_: yes? IIRC that was for the nouveau version in squeeze, wasn't it? I would just like to know if that card is supported by nouveau and in which version support for the card was introduced.
09:26<babilen>Duder: They are just busy with another discussion ;)
09:26<Duder>babilen, haha ok
09:27<Duder>But how do I change my resolution with vesa drivers?
09:28<jm_>Duder: that's something I often would like to know - driver version specific support matrix
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09:28<jm_>Duder: sorry wwas not meant for you
09:28<jm_>babilen: that's something I often would like to know - driver version specific support matrix
09:28<babilen>jm_: I'm just asking -- They might have that or other ways to check. In the end looking at the source code would probably help.
09:29<jm_>babilen: no doubt
09:30<Duder>Why is there nothing in the debian wiki on how to set up vesa drivers? It just says run Xorg -configure which doesn't work
09:30<jm_>Duder: because no-one has written it?
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09:31<Duder>but aren't vesa drivers like 10 years old or something? Surely more people probably have this problem
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09:32<babilen>Duder: Ok, lets assume for the sake of keeping this going that nouveau supports your card. Please provide the output of the commands + logs I mentioned earlier on
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09:32<jm_>no-one really wants to use vesa driver, and if they do, they simply write xorg.conf
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09:34<Duder>jm_, can I use your sample xorg.conf with vesa?
09:34<jm_>Duder: sure, just adapt it for your needs
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09:35<babilen>Duder: That is with the nouveau version from bdo? I thought that would be not .15 :-/
09:35<babilen>Duder: Please also paste the *complete* Xorg.0.log
09:36<Duder>babilen, well I ran the command "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
09:36<Duder>" like it says you should on the backports wiki
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09:37<Duder>babilen, here is the full Xorg.0.log
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09:39<willemb>Hi. I am using a program called ftpsync to keep local mirrors up to date. when I run /home/mirror/bin/ftpsync sync:archive:debian manually, it all works out. when it runs from cron, it fails with the following in the log: rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)
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09:39<willemb>rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(794) [receiver=3.0.3]
09:39<willemb>Any tips as to why?
09:39<duan_huiqiang>babilen: there is my sources.list at
09:40<mix22891>hello, i'm gonna install debian right now,but i don't know how to setup the internet connection -Pleasae help.
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09:41<mix22891>is the new version of Debian will make it better?
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09:43<babilen>duan_huiqiang: You have squeeze's main repo twice in there. (line 16 and 20)
09:44<duan_huiqiang>mix22891: edit your /etc/Networkmanager/Networkmanager.conf,change false to true,and then reboot
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09:45<mix22891>duan_huiqiang> how to edit Networkmanager.conf ?
09:46<duan_huiqiang>babilen: one is "main",another is "main contrib none free",they are same?
09:47<mix22891>i've forgot! just x2 cick on it?
09:47<duan_huiqiang>mix22891: sudo vim /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
09:47<yron>Hello after some upgrades and à reboot ,my server x failled to the connection ... Any ideas ? Please
09:47<babilen>duan_huiqiang: main two times
09:48<babilen>duan_huiqiang: Just remove line 16 and it should be fine
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09:48<duan_huiqiang>babilen: ok,i will try,thank you.
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09:48<mix22891>duan_huiqiang: thanks alot!
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09:52<duan_huiqiang>babilen: it works,thank you!
09:53<babilen>duan_huiqiang: Have fun!
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09:55<willemb>any chance my problem is just that too many people try to sync exacly one hour after my upstream mirror gets his updates, and thus I am kicked off?
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09:58<babilen>Duder: Ok, so your device is not supported by *any* version that is shipped by Debian. I would recommend to either buy different hardware or use nvidia's proprietary drivers. (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms)
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09:58<Duder>babilen, can I not download the newer drivers from elsewhere?
09:58<babilen>Duder: I fear that you might need a newer version of the proprietary drivers as well.
09:59<babilen>Duder: Of nouveau?
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10:00<babilen>Duder: You'll have to compile a 3.2 kernel and the git tip of nouveau and even then it is not guaranteed to work "hassle free"™
10:01<Duder>ok, i'm wondering, can I use jm_'s xorg.conf and just replace nvidia with vesa? Would that allow me to choose more resolutions?
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10:04<Duder>this one:
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10:07<yron>I'd installed the official and privator nvidia driver and i wanna install nouveau because the driver fails to connect the server X... How to delete the driver and install nouveau ?
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10:09<babilen>yron: What is your native language? How did you install the "official and privator (whatever that might be) nvidia driver" ? What errors *exactly* are you seeing? What is your graphic card? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga)
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10:11<Duder>babilen, would it work?
10:11<babilen>Duder: I don't think so
10:11<babilen>Duder: TIAS
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10:12<Duder>So then my only option is to isntall the proprietary drivers fron nvidias website
10:12<Duder>babilen, TIAS?
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10:12<babilen>Duder: I already told you my recommendations. If you don't want that upgrade your kernel + compile nouveau from git ... you really don't want vesa
10:12<babilen>Duder: Try it and see
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10:13<yron> french but they are iddling
10:13<Duder>thanks for the help
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10:14<babilen>yron: There is a larger #debian-fr on and you might want to try there too. I don't mind if you stay here though :)
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10:21<konverguoju>anyone here tried their luck with debumblebee
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10:32<babilen>yron: How did you install the "official and privator (whatever that might be) nvidia driver" ? What errors *exactly* are you seeing? What is
10:32<babilen>your graphic card? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga)
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10:33<Duder>When installing the proprietary nvidia drivers I get 2 errors, one about I have the incorrect gcc compiler so I installed the right one, now I need to change the symlink somehow?
10:33<babilen>!nvidia dkms
10:33<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
10:33<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
10:34<babilen>,checkbackport nvidia-kernel-dkms
10:34<judd>Backporting package nvidia-kernel-dkms in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied.
10:34<Duder>I have to install from nvidia because the regular ones are not packaged
10:35<babilen>Duder: How so? What are "the regular ones" ?
10:35<babilen>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
10:35<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; experimental/non-free: 290.03-1
10:35<Duder>I mean the drivers from debian are old
10:35<babilen>Duder: Which version do you need?
10:35<Duder>I need 275
10:35<babilen>Backport it from sid then -- /msg dpkg ssb
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10:37<babilen>Duder: If you want to use nvidia-installer: Ask in #nvidia on for support. You can specify the gcc version with something like "CC=gcc-4.? make" (or whatever the actual command is, absolute paths can also be given)
10:39<anbe>Duder, get the nvidia-graphics-drivers source package from sid (or experimental) and read debian/README.source - it has instructions how to prepare a backport
10:40<babilen>Duder: You can do that ^^^^ with, for example, "apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers" or "debcheckout nvidia-graphics-drivers" (if devscripts is installed)
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10:45<mudu>env WINEPREFIX="/home/mudu/.PlayOnLinux/wineprefix/birds2" wine C:\\Program\ Files\\Rovio\\Angry\ Birds\\AngryBirds.exe
10:45<mudu>how to crack that game?
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10:45<mudu>I don1t see location of playonlinux
10:45<mudu>I`m green at linux
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10:46<babilen>mudu: I would try #winehq on -- Which version of Linux are you using?
10:46<devil>mudu: you will not get any info on cracking stuff here.
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10:47<babilen>mudu: Cracking is also quite off-topic and frowned upon in this community. (or even oftc/freenode in general) so you are probably looking for a different network.
10:47<babilen>mudu: This is #debian not #ubuntu -- For Ubuntu support you want #ubuntu on
10:47<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
10:47<mudu>only ask how to find playonlinux location?
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10:47<babilen>mudu: Good luck and have a nice day!
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10:51<metaspike>hmmm, the installer's wireless authentication could use some work, im guessing that kinda stuff must be difficult to program for busybox to handle.
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10:52<yron>WTF ?
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10:53<kooll>yron: et c'est quoi le wtf ?
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10:56<metaspike>lalala :)
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10:57<babilen>yron: What's wrong with that?
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10:58<scraze>isn't it obvious? his whole system is in french! the poor guy.
10:58<mohammadetakie>السلام عليكم
10:59<yron>I've no GNOME 3 GUI ...
10:59<yron>but 2.3...
10:59<babilen>mohammadetakie: Sorry, this is an English support channel and I am not aware of an active Arabic one. Do you speak English?
10:59<babilen>yron: Check your version of "gnome-about"
11:00<yron>I'm french... scraze
11:00<yron>It's not the problem but the GUI...
11:00<scraze>yron: my apologies, I was joking :}
11:00<yron>kool , bah c'est toujours GNOME 2 et pas 3... regarde...
11:01<babilen>yron: What is the actual problem you are trying to fix? Please also note that wheezy/sid support is typically done in #debian-next
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11:01<babilen>,versions gnome-about
11:01<judd>Package: gnome-about on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-2; wheezy: 2.30.2-2; sid: 2.30.2-3
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11:01<yron>2.30.2 > about GNOME...
11:02<babilen>Hmm, that is not it. :)
11:03<yron>GNOME-about: 2.30.2 and system monitor: 3.2
11:03<yron>so WTF ? :o
11:03<scraze>yron: perhaps you could provide a paste of dpkg -l "gnome*" | grep ii ?
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11:05<babilen>,version gnome-system-monitor
11:05<judd>Package: gnome-system-monitor on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-1; squeeze: 2.28.1-1; sid: 3.2.1-1; wheezy: 3.2.1-1
11:05<babilen>yron: What actual problem are you trying to fix? I still don't quite understand what this is about :-/
11:07<shanks>is there anyway I can find out why aptitude wants to upgrade a load of libraries. it did it after I added an apt source for debian-multimedia. I'm guessing there are just more uptodate media related libraries available for squeeze via their site. The interesting thing was it also wanted to install NEW apps.
11:07<yron>I want GNOME 3
11:07<yron>and Debian use GNOME 2.3
11:07<babilen>,versions gnome-shell
11:07<judd>Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-5; experimental: 3.2.1-1
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11:07<yron>amd64 for me
11:08<babilen>yron: No difference there
11:08<babilen>yron: /msg dpkg tum -- "apt-get -t sid install gnome-shell"
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11:20<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>.
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11:20<jhutchins_lt>yron: Notice the "not yet complete" part there.
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11:20<jhutchins_lt>yron: There are distributions that are using the parts released so far kludged together with Gnome2 components to pretend to have Gnome3, but they really don't have it.
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11:31<newb12466343>Hi to all, could anyone help me with vsftpd on Debian 6.0.3?
11:32<newb12466343>I have 2 VPS servers with Debian 6.0.3 installed, it works fine for me at the first VPS, and it is fail at another one
11:32<newb12466343>configs are the same with no changes after installation
11:33<newb12466343>when im trying to connect with Filezilla there is an error
11:33<newb12466343>Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
11:33<newb12466343>Response: 220 (vsFTPd 2.3.2)
11:33<newb12466343>Command: USER anonymous
11:33<newb12466343>Response: 331 Please specify the password.
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11:35<newb12466343>anyone can help?
11:36<retro|blah>newb12466343: Use a pastebin.
11:42<retro|blah>Are you able to get a directory listing if you connect to the second FTP from the first VPS?
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11:46<newb12466343>im trying to connect from desktop
11:46<newb12466343>first vps works fine
11:46<newb12466343>second one doesn't work
11:46<retro|blah>Are you able to get a directory listing if you connect to the second FTP from the first VPS?
11:48<newb12466343>im not
11:49<newb12466343>in server's log file it look like Login OK
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11:57<kabars_edge>seems like a slow day here
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12:00<newb12466343> Hi to all, could anyone help me with vsftpd on Debian 6.0.3?
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12:01<kabars_edge>newb12466343: what is the prob?
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12:02<scraze>newb12466343: if the VPS's are indeed exactly the same, a functional difference like this indicates a problem more complex than any of us should be able to induce without more information .. but perhaps you can find out more by trying out active instead of passive ftp? here's some more info:
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12:08<jhutchins_lt>kabars_edge: same thing it was ten minutes ago.
12:08<kabars_edge>I wasn't here 10 minutes ago
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12:08<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: What is your virtualization system?
12:09<newb12466343>it works fine with openvz vps and it doesn't work with xen pv
12:10<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: Perhaps you should look for xen support.
12:10<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: Afik you can diff the files for the two vm's and see if there is a difference you haven't caught.
12:10<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: Could be a simple as a corrupt image.
12:10<dpkg>Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see . #debian-xen on See also <virtualization>.
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12:11<newb12466343>jhutchins_lt: u mean i need to contact my xen vps provider? sorry for my bad english
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12:12<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: I would start with #debian-xen
12:12<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: Also review the wiki.
12:13<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: You could also try reinstaling vsftpd on the one that's not working.
12:14<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: You could also ask your provider if there might be a reason it doesn't work on the second instance.
12:14<newb12466343>thanks a lot, i will take a look
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12:15<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: You might also want to look at more secure alternatives to FTP for file transfer.
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12:16<newb12466343>for example?
12:16<newb12466343>i need to give access to my coder to webserver
12:16<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: Definitely scp.
12:16<scraze>rsync over ssh!
12:17<newb12466343>in this case, how to create user for that? what shell?
12:17<jhutchins_lt>newb12466343: Add a regular system user with the default shell, read the OpenSSH docs.
12:18<babilen>newb12466343: Do you need to restrict access somehow?
12:18<babilen>!tell newb12466343 -about scponly
12:19<babilen>newb12466343: What kind of restrictions are you after? What are the requirements?
12:20<newb12466343>lock user in home dir and access to edit files and dir in his home dir
12:20<newb12466343>no other commands or something
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12:33<kabars_edge>FYI, I was helping newb12466343 troubleshoot his prob, and it's system wide, I believe it's a firewall/router config issue that's common with passive ftp/sftp, info here:
12:35<jhutchins_lt>kabars_edge: That would be relevant if it weren't for the fact that one of the VMs is working and the other isn't.
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12:39<scraze>kabars_edge: TFMI
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12:41<kabars_edge>scraze: I don't know what that means
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12:42<scraze>kabars_edge: probably because the acronym doesn't exist :] 'Thanks For My Information' as a play on 'For Your Information'
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12:43<scraze>kabars_edge: i suggested a few things to try but wasn't too successful, glad you could help him better
12:44<kabars_edge>scraze: I had him try to do a transfer with sftp vs vsftpd and received the same issue.
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12:49<dpkg>smhar: I give up, what is it?
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12:52<kabars_edge>mix22891: welcome
12:53<mix22891>i've installed Debian but i can't connect to the internet, the command "sudo vim /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf =Command Not Found,please help
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12:53<mix22891>i can't connect to the internet
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12:54<mix22891>trough Debian ver.6.0.3 i386
12:54<retrospectacus>first, install vim
12:54<mix22891>what is vim?
12:54<retrospectacus>it is a CLI text editor
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12:55<gdb>mix22891: Can you please pastebin the output of /sbin/ifconfig -a and /bin/netstat -nr and cat /etc/network/interfaces ? And how are your Internet connectivity issues and vim connected?
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12:55<mix22891>and whats next please?
12:55<retrospectacus>mix22891: you were trying to use it and I guess you haven't installed it yet (Command Not Found) so if you want to, you should install it
12:55<babilen>mix22891: To what kind of network are you trying to connect? Is your wireless adapter configured?
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12:55<mix22891>ADL connection
12:55<mix22891>no wireless
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12:56<retrospectacus>mix22891: what is the exact output of ''lspci -nn|grep -i net'' ?
12:56<babilen>mix22891: Do you use a router? (a box that most ISPs give to their customers) -- You would connect to that one via ethernet.
12:56<mix22891>retrospectacus> i don't know
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12:57<mix22891>babilen> no router, this is adsl modem
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12:57<mix22891>babilen> yes,modem
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12:58<babilen>mix22891: How do you connect to that modem? Does the modem handle the pppoe connection or do *you* have to do that?
12:58<mix22891>the modem handle the pppoe connection i think
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12:58<babilen>mix22891: So, you connect to the modem via Ethernet?
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12:59<mix22891>i connect to the internet via the modem
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13:00<mix22891>BoradBand connection right now from windows
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13:01<babilen>mix22891: Is your computer connected to the modem? If yes: How? How is the network configured in Windows? Do you use a program from your ISP to dial/authenticate with your ISP?
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13:01<babilen>dial out to
13:01<mix22891>babilen> cabels
13:02<mix22891>ADSL connection
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13:02<mix22891>---- CABEL
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13:04<mix22891>babilen>and i don't use any program to connect to the internet from windows
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13:05<mix22891>Username and password
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13:05<mix22891>the modem called allso router?
13:05<mix22891>it's not wireless
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13:06<grandie>cable modem as in tv cable?
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13:07<retrospectacus>you said ADSL
13:07<mix22891>yes adsl connection
13:07<retrospectacus>well which is it, CABLE or ADSL ???
13:08<gdb>mix22891: The cord that goes into the wall -- does it look like a cable TV cable or does it look like a fat phone cord?
13:08<gdb>Does it go into what looks like a phone jack?
13:08<mix22891>just a moment
13:08<mix22891>it's 1Mb internet connection
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13:09<grandie>i think it is a 75 ohm cable he is using to help provider
13:09<grandie>sorry to "his" provider
13:09<mix22891>the second cabel connect to the phone
13:10<mix22891>the frist is from the modem to my computer
13:11<gdb>So he one from the modem to the computer is a "fat phone cable" with large "phone jack" plugs on both ends, right? (i.e.; Ethernet). The cable that goes from the modem into the wall looks like what?
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13:11<gdb>the one from*
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13:11*babilen guesses that all that is needed if "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" (or similar)
13:11<mix22891>gray cabel
13:12<grandie>is it round or flat?
13:12<babilen>mix22891: Ok, please wait a minute and I explain why we are asking all these questions. OK?
13:12<mix22891>wait my english is not perfect
13:12<mix22891>babilen> i want to connect to the internet trough Debian
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13:13<mix22891>how do i do that?
13:13<grandie>is debian running on your box
13:13<marutukku>mix22891: should be as simple as "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0"
13:13<mix22891>what box? on my computer H.D
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13:14<grandie>the computer itself, sorry about that
13:14<mix22891>marutukku> i remember somting like this
13:14<babilen>mix22891: What most ISPs give their customers are boxes that they connect to the phone or cable network. (cable vs adsl vs vdsl vs ...) -- These boxes (hf. "router") initiate the connection with the ISP, provide the login detailes (i.e. your user name + password). You computer connects to these routers via ethernet with cables that look like
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13:15<babilen>mix22891: Furthermore your computer typically retrieves the network configuration via DHCP from this router and configures itself automatically.
13:15<zeus_>Hi all, i need help with a script. I have this expect script "" and i'd like to include it in a bash script. The expect output should be saved as a variable. It this possible under bash ?
13:15<mix22891>babilen> YES
13:16<babilen>mix22891: That is how it is normally done these days. It might, however, also be the case that you really only have an ADSL modem and that *you* therefore need to take care of initiating the PPPoE connection and authentication.
13:16<kop>mix22891: (Which is actually a "nicer" option, technically. Although it requires more fussing. Start with "stock" and then decide to improve things.)
13:17<mix22891>babilen> how do i do that?
13:17<babilen>The configuration of Debian for both is different .. I strongly believe that you do, in fact, have been given an ADSL router and that we only need to configure your network in Debian via DHCP.
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13:17<mix22891>i'm so confuse
13:18<scraze>zeus_: let's say the expect script is at /usr/local/bin/adslinfo ; you can just use varname=`/usr/local/bin/adslinfo` and then $varname holds the output
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13:18<babilen>But we can not know which one of these scenarios is actually the case. I would therefore suggest to start your Debian box and run "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient -v eth0" on the command line as root and report the results.
13:18<jhutchins_lt>mix22891: Maybe you should start out by learning a bit more about what kind of connection you have and how it works in Windows.
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13:18<grandie>babilen: should he not see the adsl modem with dmesg?
13:18<Bushmills>zeus: read foo < <( command )
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13:19<kop>scraze: But that requires 2 files, one for expect and one for bash. He might be able to use a here document (<<EOF). Search the bash man page for "here document".
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13:19<mix22891>to type: "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient -v eth0" in terminal and tell you the results?
13:20<grandie>mix22891: how are you running debian, live or installed version?
13:20<zeus___>Hi all, i need help with a script. I have this expect script "" and i'd like to include it in a bash script. The expect output should be saved as a variable. It this possible under bash ?
13:20<scraze>kop: indeed, i perhaps wrongly assumed that he wanted to include the expect script by running it instead of in-line substitution
13:20<mix22891>grandie> installed on my computer
13:21<mix22891>it's Debian-6.0.3 i386
13:21<babilen>mix22891: Can you come here when you are using Debian?
13:21<grandie>mix22891: do you have a live version?
13:21<scraze>mix22891: you did mention username & password at 18:05 - do you mean that you need a username & password in Windows to be able to make an internet connection?
13:21<mix22891>babilen> i'll log in back to here trough windows and tell you the results
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13:22<mix22891>grandie> yes i have
13:22<mix22891>on CD
13:22<grandie>mix22891: did you try to connect to the internet using that?
13:22<mix22891>scraze> yes
13:23<mix22891>grandie> no
13:23<mix22891>grandie> via live cd?
13:23<babilen>mix22891: Ok -- "ifconfig eth0 up" brings up the ethernet interface and "dhclient -v eth0" runs a DHCP client that will ask for network configuration. You have to be root to run those commands and you can either log in as root, or use "su -" to become it. Please give your root password in the latter case.
13:24<grandie>mix22891: did you get some kind of disk from your provider when you installed the modem in windows
13:24<babilen>mix22891: So, you have to switch between Debian and Windows in order to try things? You don't have a second computer on which you can try things?
13:24<jhutchins_lt>grandie: If you people are going to insist on doing this for him, it might be useful to determine the nature and settings of the windows network configuration.
13:24<babilen>jhutchins_lt: So much karma for you today :)
13:24<mix22891>grandie> no
13:25<mix22891>babilen> no
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13:26<grandie>mix22891: did your live linux cd find the modem when you booted it up?
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13:27<mix22891>grandie>i didn't tryed to connect to trough live cd
13:27<mix22891>i didn't tryed to connect trough live cd*
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13:28<grandie>mix22891: you might try just to see if it will idiomatically identify the modem.
13:29<mix22891>babilen> is this command will bring a window that i can put the password and username to connect to the internet?
13:29<grandie>mix22891: sorry
13:29<mix22891>ifconfig eth0 up"?
13:29<mix22891>grandie> ok
13:29<scraze>(is NM able to work with ADSL modems requiring user&password? in that case maybe skip installing vim and just find another way to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf)
13:30<mix22891>scraze> how to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf?
13:31<mix22891>instand vim
13:31<scraze>mix22891: there should be an editor installed, either ae or nano i believe
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13:31<mix22891>scraze> i'm not a linux professional
13:32<scraze>mix22891: in terminal, do sudo ae /etc/NetworkManager/Networkmanager.conf
13:32<scraze>mix22891: so the same thing but with 'vim' replaced by 'ae' - and if 'ae' also yields a "command notfound", then try 'nano'
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13:32<mix22891>when i've type: sudo vim /etc/NetworkManager/Networkmanager.conf it says: command not found
13:32<weasel>ae? welcome to the 1990s
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13:33<grandie>mix22891: try vi if you know vim!
13:33<retrospectacus>use nano if you don't
13:34<scraze>then you can follow duan_huiqiang's original pointers - change the line 'managed=false' to 'managed=true', and restart networkmanager: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
13:34<mix22891>grandie> i don't know vim!
13:35<scraze>i hear votes for nano :} so sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
13:35<grandie>mix22891: than go with nano like scraze said.
13:35<mix22891>i'm printing all have you sayed
13:35<mix22891>now i need to install Debian again
13:36<scraze>you do ?
13:36<mix22891>it will take a wile
13:36<babilen>So, you've concluded that mix22891 does indeed have to setup the ADSL connection in Debian?
13:37<scraze>he mentioned that he needs to enter user & password, so - yes
13:37<scraze>good luck mix22891!
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13:37<babilen>In which network-manager version was support for DSL added? I can just configure it in NM's connection editor
13:37<grandie>babilen: I have not concluded anything, I was trying to get him to use his live version to see if it would identify the network.
13:37<babilen>With 0.9.0 that is
13:38<scraze>i've no idea :} in fact I'm not even sure now that he really installed Debian or whether he ran into connectivity issues in the part before the reboot - what with the comment of having to reinstall
13:39<babilen>Wouldn't that be a much easier route than trying to work on NetworkManager.conf directly?
13:39<scraze>apologies for the relative hijack :/
13:39<babilen>Well, he's gone anyway
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13:40<scraze>i though NM wouldn't cooperate without changing managed=false to managed=true, but wouldn't be the first time today I've been wrong :]
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13:43<scraze>weasel: i was actually thinking of 'joe' first, but that went with Potato if memory serves ;]
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13:49<jhutchins_lt>scraze: You might want to update yourself on how to use Network Manager in current releases.
13:49<jhutchins_lt>scraze: There are very few cases where editing the config file is appropriate.
13:50<jhutchins_lt>scraze: Also, it would be smart to find out how Windows is managing this connection before starting in on a configuration when we don't know the nature of it, just that it uses a username and password.
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13:51<jhutchins_lt>scraze: Could be pppoe or it could be something else more like DSL/Dialup.
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13:53<scraze>jhutchins_lt: thanks :}
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14:15<rysio>jest tu kto ?
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14:41<Nik05>i have a problem...
14:41<Nik05>i just got a new modem and now DNS lookup is really slow on debian but not on Windows
14:41<OpenTokix>Nik05: what does your /etc/resolv.conf say?
14:42<Nik05>hm so its using my modem as dns server?
14:42<OpenTokix>Nik05: and what ns are you using in windows?
14:42<OpenTokix>looks like it
14:42<Nik05>euh i think in Windows its on automatic so also from modem....
14:42<Nik05>but not sure :p
14:42<FingerWizard>Nik05: It doesn't use your modem, it defaults to what your ISP provides
14:42<Brekkjern>Hello. I have been trying to install Debian on a software RAID for a while now and the guides I find through Google are not really that helpful. I have 6x identical 1TB disks that I want to put in RAID6. Can anyone lend a hand?
14:43<FingerWizard>Nik05: Do a ping test of OpenDNS vs GoogleDNS and see what's faster for you
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14:43<Nik05>FingerWizard im never going to use googleDNS :P
14:43<FingerWizard>Nik05: Fair enough
14:45<ml|>Nik05: install namebench and see which dns is faster for you
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14:46<Nik05>thanks ml| and FingerWizard
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14:49<Nik05>ml| how do i start namebench
14:50<Nik05>it wants to start a gui....
14:51<thorgrin>Nik05: -x or --no_gui
14:51<Nik05>ah ok
14:51<thorgrin>read the man page;-)
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14:52<Nik05>do you guys have any experience with modems...? :P
14:53<Nik05>i see something about WAN > UMTS.... wtf isnt that for mobile phones?
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14:54<thorgrin>no wonder it is so slow then ;P
14:54<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: When you say "modem" I think standard RS232 to POTS modem.
14:54<Nik05>i dont know what i mean :P
14:54<Nik05>the provider calls it a modem
14:54<jhutchins_lt>Which I have used since before they were 300 baud, so...
14:54<Nik05>baud is?
14:54<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Roughly characters per second.
14:54<cmr>A word from an age long gone.
14:54<Nik05>Line standard ADSL2+
14:54<Sicelo>umts is fancy name for 3g
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14:55<Nik05>yes i know
14:55<Nik05>but that a ADSL modem have to do with UMTS?
14:55<jhutchins_lt>We have a number of different "3g" standards here in the states.
14:55<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: ADSL is Asymetrical Digital Subscriber Line, a digital version of POTS.
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14:56<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Usually provided by a phone company on multiple copper pairs.
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14:56<Nik05>you are not reading Wiki right?
14:56<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: No, I've worked with this stuff since the 1970's.
14:56<erikmt>i just had a question about dst
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14:57<Nik05>cool jhutchins what is ATM? :P
14:57<erikmt>is there any simple bash way to get the exact day when current timezone shifts to dst?
14:58<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: So: You've possibly got a DSL modem that your computer connects to over ethernet and gets configured via DHCP from the modem, which has a stored configuration that connects it through DSL to the phone company's TCP/IP network.
14:58<jhutchins_lt>ATM is Asynchronous Transfer Modem
14:58<Brekkjern>Hello. I have been trying to install Debian on a software RAID for a while now and the guides I find through Google are not really that helpful. I have 6x identical 1TB disks that I want to put in RAID6. Can anyone lend a hand?
14:58<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: First thing I would do is disable ipv6
14:58<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
14:58<Nik05>ok how do i disable IPv6? :P
14:59<Nik05>oh not on my modem? :P
14:59<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: On the Debian box which is where the problem is presenting itself.
14:59<Nik05>kernel commandline option...
15:00<cmr>Nik05: man bootparam
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15:01<Nik05>who the hack put that option in the bootloader and not in ifconfig or something? :P
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15:01<erikmt>is there any application that returns the exact day when current timezone shifts to dst?
15:01<Nik05>sorry i have no idea how linux kernel works.
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15:03<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: We knew that <grin>.
15:04<Nik05>jhutchins i am looking into modem and the part that says Primary DNS server... Secondary DNS server... is empty
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15:04<themill>erikmt: zdump can do that
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15:05<Nik05>so how can i even get DNS information if i dont have a dns server... :S
15:06<ml|>since those are blank, you are using your ISPs DNS
15:06<Nik05>ok and where does it get those?
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15:07<erikmt>themill: thank you for the clue, reading about that
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15:09<Nik05>Google Public DNS-2 is, 561.4%, Faster, than your current primary DNS server
15:09<Nik05>i hate Google :P
15:09<sney->but if you use google dns then you can't use
15:10<Nik05>huh what?
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15:11<sney-> is a dynamic mirror service that automatically points you to the mirror closest to your estimated location, but it's incompatible with google dns
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15:11<Nik05>oh and jhutchins namebenchs says that the dns server take 200ms to an answer
15:11<jhutchins_lt>It says OpenDNS is 147% faster than my local DNS. Great, until I need to reach a local machine.
15:11<Nik05>in iceweasel it take like 10 seconds to get a new page...
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15:12<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: It's probably running a caching DNS server that's using your ISP's server.
15:12<Nik05>(new page euh new domain)
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15:13<Brekkjern>Nobody can help me? ;_;
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15:13<sney->Brekkjern: re-ask
15:13<Nik05>so jhutchins do i get my DNS information via or do I get an ip from for a DNS server?
15:13<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: So did you try disabling ipv6, and did that have any effect.
15:13<Brekkjern>Hello. I have been trying to install Debian on a software RAID for a while now and the guides I find through Google are not really that helpful. I have 6x identical 1TB disks that I want to put in RAID6. Can anyone lend a hand?
15:13<Nik05> Hello. I have been trying to install Debian on a software RAID for a while now and the guides I find through Google are not really that helpful. I have 6x identical 1TB disks that I want to put in RAID6. Can anyone lend a hand?
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15:13<Nik05>no jhutchins how do i do that? :P
15:13<Nik05>sorry im a noob
15:14<sney->Brekkjern: software raid as in md?
15:15<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Follow the instructions dpkg gave you depending on which release you're running.
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15:15<Nik05>so just add it in /etc/default/grub or something and then do update-grub?
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15:17<Nik05>jhutchins this is what says: Disable ipv6 in kernel : echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf will disable ipv6 at next reboot.
15:17<Brekkjern>jhutchins_lt, that didn't really answer my question. :S
15:17<Nik05>something else...
15:18<kaeptnb>hi there. anybody an idea why chromium/firefox don't see my ipv6 adress, which are otherwise working great (e.g. ping6 to an official ipv6 address works)
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15:20<kaeptnb>problem is that sites like say i have no ipv6 connection at all ?!
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15:21<sney->Brekkjern: section 6.3 of the install guide has a lot of information on it as well. Or you could go the lazy/easy to maintain way and install the OS on a small SSD and put everything else on the raid.
15:22<rpetre>kaeptnb: what does the "technical info" tab say in the site?
15:23<Nik05>jhutchins_lt final question :P
15:23<Nik05>my /etc/network/interfaces has this line #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp
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15:23<Nik05>shoudlnt that be iface eth0 inet dhcp without #?
15:23<kaeptnb>everything related to ipv6 times out
15:23<kaeptnb>strange... why does ping6 work then?
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15:27<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Whether you use /etc/default/grub or /etc/syscntl.d depends on which release you're running.
15:27<Sicelo>no Nik05. anything configured in /etc/net... won't be managed by NetworkManageer
15:27<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: The # disables that line from ifup/down, and would seem to indicate that NetworkManager is going to handle eth0 instead.
15:28<Nik05>ok thanks
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15:28<sney->(it is possible for network-manager to manage interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, but this behaviour is disabled by default)
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15:28<rpetre>kaeptnb: maybe you ping6 a local address and you don't have routes?
15:28<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: If it's not something that changes a lot, I would go ahead and enable it in interfaces and remove NetworkManager.
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15:28<Brekkjern>I understand now. Thanks :D
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15:29<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: NM is great if you have a laptop that moves from network to network. Not useful for a static connection.
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15:29<Nik05>and jhutchins i put the line in /etc/default/grub but update-grub gives an error
15:29<jhutchins_lt>(Well, I suppose you can see traffic graphs.)
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15:29<Nik05>/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 35: /etc/default/grub: ipv6.disable=1: not found
15:29<jhutchins_lt>Right, it needs to be in the boot options line.
15:30<Nik05>ok but Debian is installing NetworkManager automatically...
15:30<Nik05>then why does it do that? :P
15:30<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Mine is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet ipv6.disable=1 splash"
15:30<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: It's trying to be friendly and convenient.
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15:30<Nik05>so should i remove it?
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15:31<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: I remove stuff i don't need, or at least tell it not to run.
15:31<kaeptnb>rpetre: nope, i ping6 a remote adress (AAAA record of
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15:31<Nik05>ok change grub to:
15:31<Nik05>no i didnt
15:31<Nik05>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet ipv6.disable=1"
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15:31<kaeptnb>so everything tells me, ipv6 _should_ work, but it doesnt :)
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15:32<Nik05>going to restart jhutchins brb thanks :)
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15:32<kaeptnb>funny, the other guy wants to disable ipv6, i want the opposite hehe
15:32<Nik05>oh and what is the package name of networkmanager?
15:32<rpetre>kaeptnb: http://[2a02:2e0:3fe:100::8]/ in browser redirects you to 's page?
15:32<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: network-manager
15:33<Nik05>aptitude purge network-manager :)
15:33<rpetre>kaeptnb: if it does, it is a dns issue
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15:33<kaeptnb>rpetre: yes, on my windows box it does; not here on my debian box, although it has also a valid ipv6 adress just like the windows box
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15:34<rpetre>for instance, check in firefox's about:config what network.dns.disableIPv6 is
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15:35<kaeptnb>its not disabled in about:config
15:35<rpetre>telnet -6 2a02:2e0:3fe:100::8 80 ?
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15:35<kaeptnb>hmm. that telnet seems to timeout
15:35<kaeptnb>hmmmm. pmtu?
15:36<kaeptnb>or what could that be?
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15:36<kaeptnb>you mean iptables wise?
15:36<kaeptnb>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
15:37<rpetre>then it might be a firewall
15:37<kaeptnb>but: ping6 -s 3000 2a02:2e0:3fe:100::8
15:37<kaeptnb>works good
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15:37<rpetre>if icmpv6 goes and tcpv6 doesn't
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15:38<rpetre>ip6tables on your machine or the router?
15:39<Nik05>ok back
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15:39<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Better?
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15:39<Nik05>not really...
15:40<jhutchins_lt>iirc the windows command ipconfig /all will show the DNS servers.
15:40<kaeptnb>rpetre: damn. thanks!
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15:40<kaeptnb>there was an old iptables-script active
15:40<rpetre>you're welcome ;)
15:40<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Check the windows DNS setting and compare.
15:40<kaeptnb>with a drop-all-ipv6-except-icmpv6 rule in it....
15:40<kaeptnb>thanks for your hints!
15:40<rpetre>kaeptnb: heh, looks obvious _now_ :)
15:40<jhutchins_lt>kaeptnb: That would do it.
15:40<kaeptnb>yep :)
15:40<Nik05>name a site i havent been on to check dns time... :P
15:41<Nik05>3 seconds...
15:41<Nik05>still long
15:41<Nik05>but shorter
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15:42<kaeptnb>rpetre: but whats this about the redirection from http://[2a02:2e0:3fe:100::8]/ to - you mentioned a dns problem?
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15:44<rpetre>kaeptnb: i've seen resolvers that filter out aaaa responses
15:44<rpetre>i was just trying to locate your issue
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15:46<kaeptnb>ok then.
15:46<kaeptnb>thanks again!
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15:49<Nik05>jhutchins_lt im now on Windows and it is also use as DNS
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15:50<Nik05>is it possible it has DNS information cached?
15:50<Nik05>lets do a ipconfig flush or something...
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15:50<Nik05>damn i hate it `man ipconfig' does not work :p
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15:51<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Some systems install a DNS cache by default - I don't think Debian does but I'm not sure - that would speed repeated lookups but not new ones.
15:51<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Also check the contents of /etc/nsswitch.conf
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15:51<Nik05>ok tell me that againwhen im on debian lol :p
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15:52<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Dualboot?
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15:52<yo9fah>You can install Pidgin 2.10.0 on Debian Squeeze !? Thanks!
15:52<Nik05>aptitude show pidgin
15:52<Nik05>and you see the version ;)
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15:53<Brekkjern>I am following this guide here:
15:53<yo9fah>I have version 2.7.0
15:53<blarson>,versions pidgin
15:53<judd>Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b1; wheezy: 2.10.0-1+b1
15:53<Nik05>ok that is also possible...
15:53<Brekkjern>But whenever I do the "Configure software RAID" step, it just goes back to Partition manager and no RAID array is displayed.
15:53<Nik05>but the answer is yes
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15:54<yo9fah>Thanks all!
15:54<OpenTokix>Brekkjern: you have to start by configure the disks as volumes for raid
15:54<OpenTokix>Brekkjern: then go to softwareraid config
15:54<Nik05>so yo9fah the answer is no :p
15:54<Nik05>2.7 is the newest on squeeze
15:54<Brekkjern>OpenTokix, I know. I have done so.
15:54<ml|>judd: checkbackport pidgin
15:54<judd>Backporting package pidgin in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.11.0-2).
15:55<Nik05>brb guys going to flush dns and not really working in Windows, you know the problems...
15:55<jhutchins_lt>Brekkjern: You could just do scheduled rdiff backups to the second drive and have one less thing to go wrong with the system.
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15:55<Brekkjern>I am trying to set it up with RAID5 though
15:55<yo9fah>I tried to compile it but we did... :P
15:55<Brekkjern>Not RAID1
15:55<Brekkjern>RAID6 actually...
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15:59<Nik05>still on windows
15:59<Nik05>looks like windows is also little slow...
16:00<yo9fah>Nik05 But if you add a test environment?
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16:00<Nik05>what test environment?
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16:00<Nik05>sorry what do you mean?
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16:01<Nik05>huh? :S
16:02<Nik05>what do you mean with add a test environment?
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16:03<yo9fah>Pidgin Pidgin source wheezy
16:03<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: To the limit of the router's hardware, it will provide some speed improvements in repeated lookups, depending on how much memory it allocates for cache and such.
16:03<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: The DNS it looks to is probably the one run by the ISP, and may not perform very well, so it's up to you.
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16:04<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: The benchmark showed that OpenDNS was a lot faster than my local DNS, probably because mine had to fail to find an address, then go get the authoritative record, then get the actual host.
16:04<Nik05>ok i get it i have a choice in dns server but what do you mean with the first sentence?
16:05<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Theoretically, it will be faster using the router. Practically, the router may not be up to the job.
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16:05<scraze>Brekkjern: you never get to the dialog with "Create MD device" ?
16:05<Nik05>i can configure the dns server address in my router
16:05<Nik05>should i enter the opendns onces there?
16:05<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Servers like OpenDNS and Google are fast because they keep a LOT of previously fetched answers in cache.
16:06<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: You could consider using the ones suggested by namebench.
16:06<Brekkjern>scraze, I get the dialogue, but when I have selected the partitions and press "Finish", there are no RAID arrays in the list.
16:06<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Make sure that whatever is there actually works though - if the primary is timing out that'll make you slow.
16:07<Nik05>I have a question useing OpenDNS
16:07<Nik05>where do they get the money from?
16:08<Nik05>selling my DNS requests?
16:08<scraze>Brekkjern: so you get again instead of ?
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16:09<mercutio22>Nik05: adds on redirects?
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16:10<Nik05>what kind of redirects?
16:11<scraze>Brekkjern: perhaps there is an error-message in the syslog, check Alt-F4 (Alt-F1 to get back)
16:11<Nik05>ok this is what their site says: "OpenDNS makes money the same way Google and Yahoo do — by showing relevant ads when we show you search results."
16:11<Nik05>but what do they mean with search results?
16:12<yo9fah>Thanks: Nik05, judd
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16:12<ml|>when you type a wrong url
16:12<cmr>OpenDNS has a paid service too, iirc.
16:12<Brekkjern>scraze, just let me try it again so I get a clean log
16:12<ml|>cmr: yep
16:13<Brekkjern>scraze, I see a few messages relating to /dev/sdb1
16:14<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: I think they get money from selling DNS services, possibly selling advertising, and they may redirect bad searches for money too.
16:14<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: I really don't know.
16:14<Brekkjern>scraze, "mdadm: super1.x cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy"
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16:15<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: They may have something about it on their webpage.
16:15<Nik05>they say they make money just like Google...
16:15<Nik05>If they make money just like Google I dont want them :P
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16:16<Nik05>jhutchins_lt how is it possible that the pages loaded faster when ipv6 was disabled?
16:17<scraze>Brekkjern: that would be a fatal problem.. if you're indeed intending to use /dev/sdb1 in the array, then you need to make sure it's not in use
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16:17<Brekkjern>scraze, the only thing running on the computer is the installer :S
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16:17<scraze>Brekkjern: and it runs from cd / usb ?
16:18<scraze>hrm.. does the output of 'mount' show /dev/sdb1 at all?
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16:18<Nik05>rebooting to Debian :)
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16:19<scraze>Brekkjern: hmm :/ there doesn't appear to be a /bin/fuser or /usr/bin/lsof on the install image, those could show what's supposedly using /dev/sdb1
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16:20<gungfuwayne>i have a kernel command line arg "init=/etc/init.d/"; passes "start" to "", "", "networking", and "ntpdate" then attempts to run a script that uses dialog to solicit user input
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16:21<gungfuwayne>the problem currently is that the terminal settings to not seem to be set properly (when I call "resize" in the script that uses dialog, i get the message "resize: can't open terminal /dev/tty")
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16:23<gungfuwayne>i guess i could just strace resize to see where it is finding /dev/tty instead of /dev/ttyS0
16:23<scraze>Brekkjern: open a terminal (Alt-F2 / F3) and see what you get for dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sdb1 | wc -c
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16:25<Brekkjern>scraze, "1+0 records in" "1+0 records out" "512"
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16:26<Nik05>jhutchins_lt what file did i need to check on Debian?
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: /etc/nsswitch.conf
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16:26<scraze>Brekkjern: ok, that's good.. although it stumps me, obviously your /dev/sdb1 can be read ..
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16:27<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: I would use the router's DNS and point it to the two externals recommended by namebench, or re-test it using your ISP's nameservers in namebench.
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16:28<scraze>Brekkjern: if you're brave you could try writing instead of reading (/dev/sdb1 doesn't contain data yet right?)
16:28<ballison>i'm trying to figure out if my webserver is vunerable to the Partial Content exploit. HOw do i test this? if i telnet to the webserver and do a GET on a pdf I see the Request-Range and Range lines. What should those be set to ?
16:28<Brekkjern>Or, what is on it doesn't matter
16:29<ballison>for example -->
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16:29<Nik05>ok thanks
16:29<Nik05>but isnt the ISP nameserver already in namebench?
16:29<Nik05>its says at top
16:29<camilla>I have still the problem with my sound but i have found out that if i trying to play sound through laptop speakers there come nothing but if i plug in a jackstick it play just fine. and i have booting at the old kernel now and it doesnt help
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16:30<camilla>im on linux mint 11
16:30<dpkg>it has been said that int is an integer
16:30<sney->bloody hell dpkg
16:30<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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16:33<scraze>Brekkjern: ok, if you want to take the shot: dd count=1 bs=512 seek=1234 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1 (this fills the 1234th sector of /dev/sdb1 with zeros)
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16:35<Brekkjern>scraze, "1+0 records in" "1+0 records out"
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16:36<scraze>Brekkjern: then we've surely crossed the border of my ability to help .. /dev/sdb1 allows reading & writing but yet mdadm complains about it being busy .. beats me :(
16:36<Brekkjern>I don't get it :S
16:36<scraze>Brekkjern: there is a #mdadm channel out there..
16:37<Brekkjern>Give them a shot then...
16:37<Brekkjern>If one could find them :P
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16:38<ballison>what's the impact of adding "RequestHeader unset Range" to your httpd.conf
16:38<sney->sounds like a job for the apache manual or irc channel
16:39<scraze>Brekkjern: they're hiding indeed :p
16:39<Brekkjern>Not on EFNet, Quakenet or here :S
16:39<scraze>Brekkjern: just a shot in the dark, cat /proc/mdstat
16:40<Brekkjern>scraze, what are we looking for?
16:40<scraze>Brekkjern: suggests
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16:40<scraze>Brekkjern: a working RAID :/
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16:41<Brekkjern>"Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
16:41<madduck>the #mdadm channel is not for suer support
16:41<scraze>Brekkjern: something like this:]
16:41<Brekkjern>"md126 : inactive sdb[0]"
16:41<scraze>madduck: whoops - apologies
16:42<Brekkjern>scraze, it shows a similar output with both lines "inactive" and have "sdb[0]" in them
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16:45<scraze>Brekkjern: both lines.. there's a md0 and md1 ?
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16:45<Brekkjern>I'll pastebin it
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16:49<Nik05>jhutchins_lt help me :P
16:49<Nik05>i runned namebench again and it gave me this conclusion
16:49<Nik05>In this test, Google Public DNS-2 is 767.8%: Faster
16:49<Nik05>lol :P
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16:51<scraze>Brekkjern: ok, i'm going to guess that you've tried creating the array ~127 times :P?
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16:51<Brekkjern>Hurr... I don't think I have tried that many times :P
16:52<scraze>ok, that's interesting by itself .. but at any rate, one RAID array = one mdX, so - is it your intention to have two arrays?
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16:52<Brekkjern>As I understood it, /boot can't be on RAID6 so it has to be on its own RAID1
16:53<Brekkjern>And the guide I followed said that you should have a raid array for swap
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: I'm not sure about the validity of the second test.
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: What did you test it against, the router or the ISP DNS?
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16:55<Nik05>what is the difference between ISP DNS and router?
16:55<Nik05>where do i find the ISP DNS?
16:55<Brekkjern>ISP DNS is on the other end of your internet cable. Router is in your house :P
16:56<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: ISP dns is configured in the router, possibly listed on their tech help page.
16:57<Nik05>this is what my ISP says on its site
16:57<Nik05>but arent those the default the router uses to get dns information?
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16:58<scraze>Brekkjern: right, I usually boot from an entirely different disk but if booting from RAID1 is easy to setup than that surely is the way to go
16:58<genius>how can i join an other server?
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16:59<tale>genius: /connect irc.somenet.somewhere
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16:59<scraze>Brekkjern: however, /proc/mdstat still shows 2 arrays with the same disk assigned to it, that doesn't seem right .. I suppose if you have 6 disks you'd have a RAID1 over /dev/sda1 through /dev/sdf1 and a RAID6 over /dev/sda2 through /dev/sdf2
16:59<Brekkjern>scraze, should I try setting it up excluding sdb entirely?
17:00<Brekkjern>RAID6 is on sd?3
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17:01<genius>tale: where do i have to type this in?
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17:01<tale>genius: In your irc client.
17:01<genius>tale: i have xchat for linux, i cant find it^
17:02<sney->you type it where you're typing the things you say
17:02<scraze>Brekkjern: i was thinking that mdadm might be trying to create 2 arrays that use the same disk, hence the disk being busy in one instance
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17:02<tale>genius: Like sney- said. You seem to be typing things OK on your XChat.
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17:02<themill>genius: from the server list you can select "Ubuntu servers" to let you connect to #ubuntu on freenode
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17:03<Brekkjern>scraze, hmm. Trying to delete the partition table on sdb, but it doesn't work.
17:03<genius>tale: it says "You're not an IRC operator"^^
17:03<scraze>Brekkjern: s/disk/partition/g
17:04<scraze>Brekkjern: eep! why would you do that :P
17:04<Brekkjern>To try again? :P
17:04<scraze>heh :} it just might work as well
17:04<Brekkjern>Try with fdisk?
17:05<jhutchins_lt>Does hitting F1 in an application not open a useful helpfile in Ubuntu?
17:05<genius>k, found it
17:05<tale>genius: Add more networks, you get more servers and IRC nets.
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17:05<scraze>Brekkjern: well, you should actually be able to do it through the installer, just go back a few steps
17:06<Brekkjern>scraze, I know, but it just reverts to what it was
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17:06<cmr>Nik05: Thanks for introducing me to namebench
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17:07<eeemsi__>i just wanted to ask if ketchup is working for some of you
17:07<scraze>Brekkjern: perhaps an error-message in syslog again, describing how the partition table cannot be re-read?
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17:08<jhutchins_lt>cmr: ml| just introduced us to it earlier.
17:08<Brekkjern>scraze, doesn't look like it :S
17:08<cmr>ml|: Then thanks to you!
17:09<cmr>Thankfully my DNS is already plenty fast; google-dns2 is only 67% faster, and at <120ms I don't care.
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17:10<tale>Can Google DNS really be faster than the DNS of your own ISP?
17:10<eeemsi__>tale: yes
17:10<eeemsi__>Brekkjern: ^^
17:10<tale>I have always just assumed ISP DNS is the nearest, so it answers the fastest.
17:10<Nik05>dont thank me cmr ...
17:10*rpetre uses with no forwarders
17:11<sney->eeemsi__: do you have an actual question?
17:11<scraze>Brekkjern: perhaps I don't understand correctly what you mean by 'reverts to what it was' .. if it shows the old list of partitions, you should be able to select a partition (ie go to next screen) and delete it there
17:11<cmr>I use OpenDNS
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17:11<Nik05>jhutchins_lt i just check to and
17:11<eeemsi__>sney-: well, yes
17:11<Sicelo>so did i tale. until i was only one able to browse internet in the office. isp dns server was down, and i was on google dns :P
17:11<Nik05>and namebence says they use the same shares-cache... :S
17:12<Nik05>what does that mean?
17:12<ml|>cmr: np, enjoy
17:12<tale>Nik05: Does the namebench docs not explain that?
17:12<sney->I hate to be the wet blanket but isn't all of this DNS talk a bit offtopic?
17:12<Nik05>i dont know :P
17:13<Brekkjern>scraze, if I press enter with /dev/sdb marked to erase the partition table and go through with the process, it doesn't actually do anything to it from what I can see on the screen
17:13<Nik05>lets take a look
17:13<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: It means they're probably both on the same physical machine.
17:13<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: When you run a network, you're supposed to put the nameservers as far apart as possible, so what takes out one won't get the other one. They should at least be on different subnets.
17:13<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Microsoft learned this the hard way.
17:13<eeemsi__>is ketchup(version in testing) working for you
17:13<ml|>sney-: I think so, since it has been going for a while now
17:13<scraze>Brekkjern: does fdisk -l confirm that?
17:14<eeemsi__>sorry facing some connection problems on my side
17:14<Brekkjern>scraze, how do I scroll in that log?
17:14<jhutchins_lt>sney-: We're optimizing slow DNS response on a Deian system.
17:14<scraze>Brekkjern: use fdisk -l /dev/sdb ;]
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17:15<scraze>Brekkjern: you could also pipe to more, fdisk -l | more
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17:15<Brekkjern>scraze, it shows that the partitions are still there
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17:16<scraze>Brekkjern: the installer really isn't on your side, is it
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17:17<scraze>Brekkjern: here's an interesting command from to copy a partition table (eg from sda to sdb) ; sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
17:18<DYSW>Lately iwe been hearing alot of KDE, Thought ill give it a go. But how do i install it. ? Just apt-get install kde or is there anything special to it ?
17:18<scraze>Brekkjern: although that skips the step of actually deleting the partition table first
17:18<sney->!install kde
17:18<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
17:18<sney->DYSW: you have a couple options ^
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17:18<DYSW>Thanks Sney, quick as always
17:18<jhutchins_lt>Would it help to install to a regular disk, add the raid software, then copy the installation to the RAID?
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17:19<evaldo>Hi, database error connection ubuntu 11.04 with postgres 9.1. any help?
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17:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:22<scraze>Brekkjern: that url also describes how to remove disks from an array & add them again .. that may provide you with more detail than a 'device busy' error
17:23<Brekkjern>scraze, I don't have any raid arrays to remove the disks from :S
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17:23<scraze>Brekkjern: but /proc/mdstat contains md126 & md127 ?
17:23<scraze>Brekkjern: mdX is an array
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17:24<scraze>Brekkjern: even though the array may not be set up :]
17:24<Brekkjern>Still contains md126 and 127
17:24<Brekkjern>The command listed in the guide also requires that the disk is in an array :S
17:25<scraze>Brekkjern: both md's have sdb in the line in /proc/mdstat right?
17:26<scraze>mdadm --manage /dev/md126 --remove /dev/sdb should work
17:26<scraze>and the same for md127
17:27<Nik05>guys can you ping for me?
17:27<Nik05>its a university, just a check cause i get time out...
17:27<scraze>Nik05: actually, no!
17:27<Nik05>ok thanks
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17:27<DYSW>Nik05 > it doesnt respond
17:27<Nik05>and ping
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17:28<Nik05>its also on :S
17:29<Brekkjern>scraze, "mdadm: Cannot remove disks from a 'member' array, perform this operation on the parent container"
17:30<scraze>Brekkjern: some new terminology for me :] parents, members.. hold on
17:30<Brekkjern>I really appreciate the help :D
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17:32<Brekkjern>scraze, I tried doing --remove on md127 and it said "mdadm: /dev/sdb is still in use, cannot remove."
17:33<ml|>Nik05: nothing from
17:33<Nik05>yeah its a little down :P
17:34<Nik05>huh but i can go to with iceweasel :S
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17:35<scraze>Brekkjern: np :} i wish i could provide more accurate help
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17:35<Nik05>strange wy would they block ping requests
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17:36<tale>Nik05: Lots of places block ping.
17:36<cmr>For no real reason.
17:36<Nik05>but why would a university block imcp ?
17:36<Nik05>or is it icmp? :P
17:37<Brekkjern>scraze, I just noticed something. When I did "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" it said "/dev/sdb1" "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundrary."
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17:37<scraze>Nik05: many evil scripts ping entire subnets just to find victims to portscan - so in turn if you disable icmp, you'll probably receive a lot less attacks
17:37<Brekkjern>As it was set to the beginning of the drive, shouldn't it be on the very beginning?
17:37<sney->there was a very common windows virus back in 2002-2004 that flooded the crap out of icmp as part of its propagation method
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17:37<sney->a lot of campuses blocked icmp then and never got around to unblocking it
17:37<Nik05>how do i block icmp?
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17:38<Nik05>and would that getting me kicked on game servers? :P
17:38<scraze>Brekkjern: I suppose that means that partition 1's size is not exactly divisible by the size of the disk's cylinders - it starts at the beginning of a cylinder but ends in the middle of one
17:38<Nik05>cause they ping alot...
17:38<tale>Nik05: You seem to be asking quite a lot. Are you sure you have read the relevant instructions, books and documentation before asking?
17:38<Nik05>nope :p
17:39<scraze>Nik05: you can block icmp with a simple iptables entry
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17:39<Nik05>ok i will search it :)
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17:41<Nik05>iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j DROP w00t :)
17:41<Brekkjern>scraze, I guess so, but sdb3 ends on a cylinder boundry and that was set to begin on the beginning after sdb1 and 2
17:41<Brekkjern>Logically shouldn't there be a beginning boundry and an end boundry?
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17:42<Nik05>damn linux/debian is advanced
17:42<Nik05>ok i already knew that
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17:43<Brekkjern>You wouldn't have these issues on Windows, but you would have other midnboggling ones instead :P
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17:44<scraze>Brekkjern: got lost at "to begin on the beginning after" :o
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17:45<Brekkjern>sdb3 begins after sdb2 and ends on the cylinder boundry
17:45<Brekkjern>sdb1 should begin on the opposite cylinder boundry and end at sdb2
17:46<Brekkjern>But sdisk -l says it does not end on any cylinder boundry
17:46<Nik05>how do i disable a rule...? :P
17:46<retrospectacus>Brekkjern: it doesn't matter.
17:46<scraze>oh hey, someone with actual knowledge :D!
17:46<Nik05>in iptables
17:47<scraze>i guess that by design every partition starts on a cylinder boundary, but doesn't necessarily end on one
17:47<retrospectacus>yes, I have arrived to help in all your ass-kicking debian needs
17:48<Nik05>hm what about -D :)
17:48<scraze>Nik05: iptables -h / man iptables :P ? iptables -D chain rulenum, so if this was your first rule for OUTPUT then iptables -D OUTPUT 1
17:48<Nik05>yes i can read man :P
17:48<scraze>oh, took so long to type the answer .. sigh :}
17:48<Nik05>lol :P
17:48<scraze>Brekkjern: still trying to find out about parents & members
17:49<scraze>but I think it's safe to say something went horribly wrong at the setup of the arrays ;]
17:49<Brekkjern>I am going to continue pressing the shortcut keys to swap desktops in linux on this laptop that runs windows...
17:50<Nik05>ok i disabled ping but can just ping me...
17:50<Brekkjern>Multi desktop is so awesome... I can't believe Microsoft have not implemented that in windows yet :P
17:50<Nik05>but thats what i would expect....
17:50<Nik05>cause my ip address is not only for my comptuer
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17:50<retrospectacus>Windows users can't handle multiple desktops, it makes them lose track of things and break down crying
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17:51<Brekkjern>retrospectacus, I am 50-50 windows and Linux. I prefer Linux solutions and structure, but Windows compatability.
17:52<scraze>Brekkjern: iirc they did implement something like that in Vista, but it's not enabled by default
17:52<cmr>Compatability as in what?
17:52<cmr>scraze: Not to my knowledge.
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17:52<Brekkjern>Oh, I don't know... Battlefield 3? :P
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17:53<scraze>cmr: you're right, it requires a separate download:
17:53<cmr>scraze: Stuff like that has existed for a while, the dwm only made it easier.
17:54<cmr>Never seen one from microsoft though.
17:54<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
17:54<Nik05>damn when i try to ping my ip with i get 3 timed outs in 10 pings
17:55<scraze>Brekkjern: we should probably fail the disk before removing it (removing doesn't auto-fail)
17:55<Brekkjern>I tried :S
17:55<scraze>different error?
17:55<Brekkjern>"No such device"
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17:55<Brekkjern>I beg to differ, but... Well.. That is what it says.
17:56<scraze>(perhaps we should move to private messages as well, was hoping a RAID 'guru' would step in but instead we're kind of flooding the channel)
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17:57<Brekkjern>If you insist.
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17:58<Nik05>ok pinged my ip with a server at the university at it gives this:
17:58<Nik05>iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j DROP
17:58<Nik05>no not that :P
17:58<Nik05>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 22.298/23.503/29.533/1.444 ms
17:59<Nik05>so good :) no timed outs
17:59<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: it'd help if you showed us /proc/mdstat and explained again what you want to do
17:59<scraze>here's his mdstat:
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18:00<Brekkjern>Was just about to link it :S
18:00<Brekkjern>I have 6x matching 1TB drives that I want to set up in RAID6
18:00<scraze>first partitions in a RAID1 array right?
18:01<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: ok
18:01<Brekkjern>Yes. For /boot
18:01<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: what is sdb?
18:01<Brekkjern>sdb is a 1TB samsung drive
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18:02<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: it looks like you've got some odd combination of IMSM and mdadm going on there
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18:02<Brekkjern>I don't know what IMSM is, but if you say so :P
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18:05<Brekkjern>Intel Matrix Storage Manager.
18:05<scraze>see, that's something I didn't catch at all :)
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18:07<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: so, I'm going to guess that you have some kind of intel raid controller? [or an intel chipset?
18:07<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: presumably, you can disable it in the bios (or set it to a JBOD mode?), and then use mdadm regularly
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18:07<Brekkjern>I had a raid controller before. I can't remember using the disk with the built in though.
18:07<dondelelcaro>alternatively, if you're using mdadm > 3.0 (and kernel > 2.6.27), you can use IMSM directly
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18:09<Brekkjern>I am not sure what versions I am using.
18:10<jhutchins_lt>Brekkjern: Perhaps it is getting toward time to put it away for the night, get some sleep, and come at it with a fresh mind tomorrow.
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18:11<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: anyway, what's the output of mdadm -Ebvvsc partitions;
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18:11<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: and do you want to use the IMSM? or just mdadm?
18:12<jthomas>Might anyone know why my Apache2 on Debian5 will display the public_html/ directory at ~jthomas/test/ but not at ~jthomas/www/ ? also it won't show www2/ but it will show w/ and ww2/ and test2/
18:12<Brekkjern>I would prefer mdadm
18:12<Brekkjern>That command you asked me to run.
18:12<Brekkjern>There is an entry called [RAID1] with RAID Level 5
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18:12<Brekkjern>I had that on my last setup with the other raid controller
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18:15<Brekkjern>Do you know of any software that can reset a drive to factory?
18:15<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: you can just write 0's to it; zero'ing out the partition table will pretty much do that
18:15<Brekkjern>Could try that.
18:15<retrospectacus>"cat" :P
18:16<Brekkjern>That command there writes 0 to entire drive?
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18:16<steinex>Brekkjern: man dd. an input you use /dev/zero.
18:19<dondelelcaro>or you can cat /dev/zero > /dev/foodrive;
18:19<dondelelcaro>either way works
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18:20<Brekkjern>I guess that is going to take a while :P
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18:21<scraze>Brekkjern: the partition table is at the beginning of the drive, if you don't need the partitions themselves to be overwritten you can just interrupt the cat
18:21<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: yes, that's why you don't really need to do it completely; something like dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=20 of=/dev/foo; will do more than good enough.
18:22<Brekkjern>Then I can just abort the cat now then
18:22<jthomas>depends if you want your data gone; ddrescue or photorec may still be able to see that data even without the partition and fs tables
18:22<Brekkjern>The data on it is securely backed up, so no issue there
18:22<jthomas>more an issue of securely recovered by someone that shouldn't be :D
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18:24<Brekkjern>I ran the command dondelelcaro suggested and did the mdadm -Ebvvsc partitions again and it still shows that raid array
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18:27<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: you'll have to reboot first; the partition tables are not automatically resynced
18:28<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: when you reboot, you'll also want to make sure that the intel storage thingie has those drives set up to be non-raid
18:28<Brekkjern>They are not.
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18:28<Brekkjern>I made sure they were all set to AHCI
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18:28<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: yes, they're set to AHCI, but they still can be part of the intel raid
18:29<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: see for details
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18:30<scraze>dondelelcaro: what's wrong with /sbin/blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdb :P ?
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18:32<dondelelcaro>scraze: nothing
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18:33<scraze>oh right, the BIOS thing
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18:34<Brekkjern>I don't have windows to open up IMSC
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18:35<Brekkjern>And everything is set to AHCI
18:35<dondelelcaro>Brekkjern: uh... it's part of the bios, not windows
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18:36<Brekkjern>The PDF you linked only refers to the console in Windows
18:37<Brekkjern>And I can't find any settings relating to raid apart from IDE/RAID/AHCI setting on the controller
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18:37<Brekkjern>Lets set it to raid and take a look though
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18:38<Brekkjern>I hate PDF files :P
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18:39<streuner__>help yourself and read it
18:39*streuner__ streuner
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18:46<Brekkjern>Checked up on the mobo. It does not have Intel chipset
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18:48<Brekkjern>The previous mobo had it, but I used a fake raid card to use raid on it.
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18:49<sney->motherboard raid is basically worthless anyway
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18:51<Brekkjern>I agree
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19:01<scraze>Brekkjern: strange.. i believe dondelelcaro inferred the presence of IMSM from the line "2257 blocks super external:imsm" in /proc/mdstat
19:01<Brekkjern>I guess so
19:01<Brekkjern>But it isn't here now :S
19:01<scraze>lspci really shows no Intel ?
19:01<Brekkjern>Uh. Can't check right now
19:02<Brekkjern>Trying to whipe the drives through the raid utility in the mobo
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19:02<scraze>what's the mobo's RAID controller called?
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19:03<Brekkjern>AMD SB850
19:03<Brekkjern>I have never used it
19:03<Brekkjern>Before now that is
19:04<sney->that's just the name of the southbridge. the "raid" controller is probably just the same parityless silicon image one that everyone uses
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19:05<Brekkjern>That is the mobo I have right now
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19:22<scraze>Brekkjern: the mobo docs do speak of SB850 as a controller for RAID, but indeed no mention of BIOS options apart from the IDE|RAID|AHCI seletion
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19:36<frozencemetery>hello #debian. My sound (alsa) just stopped working properly. Testing with both mplayer and mpd, I can get no more than 10 seconds play before sound locks up and the players block on sound play. My system is squeeze (current point release), and I have seen a similar problem earlier with just mpd, though killing mpd and restarting alsa caused it dissapear in the past.
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19:44<scraze>frozencemetery: sounds like a problem beyond my scope but perhaps a service is grabbing the soundcard forcefully - try lsof /dev/snd/* to see what's grabbing onto the card
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19:47<frozencemetery>when not locked up, there is nothing there
19:47<frozencemetery>when it locks up, four mplayer processes are on it
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19:48<frozencemetery>two are on pcmC0D0p, one on timer, and one on controlC0
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19:49<frozencemetery>they disappear when mplaye is killed
19:49<Brekkjern>Router died :S
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19:49<Brekkjern>Or something
19:50<scraze>frozencemetery: ok, that's normal .. then sadly it's beyond my scope, it almost sounds like a hardware problem
19:50<scraze>Brekkjern: condoleances
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19:51<Brekkjern>No idea if it is permanent of temporary. The LEDs are still on, but the WiFi isn't working.
19:51<frozencemetery>thanks for the help
19:51<frozencemetery>if it's of interest to anyone, this is a MacBook 3,1; card is an Intel; it's been running Debian without problems for more than a year
19:52<frozencemetery>snow leopard has occasionally failed to recognize the card but Debian never had any trouble
19:52<frozencemetery>(apple shipped this card)
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20:03<frozencemetery>restarting does seem to have fixed the issue
20:03<frozencemetery>thanks scraze
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20:10<tesy>Hey all
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20:11<Dexter>Hello all
20:12<tesy>Hi Dexter
20:12<Dexter>How are ys' tesy?
20:13<tesy>Dexter: Generally, I'm OK, just some trouble with IPv6
20:13<Dexter>Oh? Didn't think that was available.
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20:14<tesy>Shall be available, at least, with tunnelbroker or so
20:14<Dexter>I must really be behind the times!
20:14<Dexter>What is "tunnelbroker"?
20:15<tesy>I tried tunnelbroker, made config like in tutorial and in their sample config - ping6 to target sais: "Destination unreachable: Address unreachable"
20:15<Dexter>Are you sure you have it configured properly?
20:16<tesy>Dexter: Looks like many ISP do not provide IPv6 so if you want to have it you must use services of some "tunel brokers", one of them is "(www)" from Huricane Electro
20:16<tesy>Dexter: You set up your system for IPv6 but need a router - they give it to you.
20:16<Dexter>I see!! Thanks for the tip, but what advantage is there to having IPv6?
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20:17<tesy>Dexter: You register there, create a tunnel, make settings like they say, and it should work - but it doesn't work for me.
20:17<tesy>Dexter: The address space of IPv4 is told to come to the end, IPv6 shall solve the problem.
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20:18<tesy>Dexter: There are much more addresses available for IPv6 than for IPv4
20:18<Dexter>Well, yeah! IPv6 is long overdue!!
20:18<tesy>Dexter: Also with IPv6 you can have a static address for a machine, even if it is behind NAT or so
20:19<Dexter>I see! that makes sense.
20:20<rpetre>there is no nat for ipv6 currently (at least on linux)
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20:20<tesy>Dexter: I tried like what they wrote in tutorials + sample config for Linux, but didn't work for me.
20:20<Dexter>I didn't know there was one on Windows
20:20<tesy>Dexter: Gonna try something else, maybe I did something wrong
20:21<Dexter>sometimes the only thing to do is keep trying, I wish you luck
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20:22<tesy>rpetre: I'll periphrase: You have one connection to Inet, one public IP address, and it will be most probably a dynamic one
20:22<Dexter>Oh yeah. That's the way my ISP works
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20:22<rpetre>tesy: currently my isp gives me a dynamic /64 range over dhcpv6
20:22<rpetre>different each time I connect
20:22<tesy>rpetre: With IPv6, you can have static addresses for all your machines, and they can be accessed even throuh NAT, if you want
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20:23<rpetre>they're not static unless i have a static range
20:23<tesy>rpetre: Cool ISP, but not all if them seem to be so.
20:23<Dexter>That sounds like a good thing to jhave
20:23<tesy>Dexter: I use Linux
20:23<rpetre>tesy: they charge extra for static IPs :)
20:23<tesy>Dexter: But Windows can work with IPv6 since Xp
20:23<Dexter>Well, same here but am still in the getting acquainted stage of things
20:23<rpetre>Dexter: stay away from teredo/miredo
20:24<rpetre>windows tried to push it for a while
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20:24<Dexter>I taek it it didn't work very well?
20:24<rpetre>it's a pain to debug
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20:25<Dexter>Most anything to do with Windows is. why do you think I made the switch to Knoppix?
20:25<rpetre>get a range from HE or other providers and play with it while you pester your ISP to get a v6 range
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20:26<rpetre>in a year or two it'll become commonplace anyway, so it's best to get used to the oddities
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20:26<Dexter>Hopefully some of the bugs will diappear as well
20:27<tesy>Dexter: Knoppix might be good to take a look at "what's that - Linux?", but in my view not really god for earnest work, until you make own Knoppix boot CDs/DVDs to boot diskless machines from
20:27<rpetre>lately i've had most of the stuff work properly
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20:27<rpetre>a few years ago conntrack was badly broken for v6
20:27<tesy>Dexter: Kinda you have a LAN with server running some other Linux, and all Knoppix diskless machines are just clients.
20:27<rpetre>and had to do firewalls kernel 2.2 style :)
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20:28<rpetre>anyway, word of advice, if you don't use v6 actively, firewall it anyway
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20:28<rpetre>it is wonderfully autoconfigurable
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20:28<Dexter>tesy, Im still in the getting aquainted stage, but sti8ll, knoppix is awfully good at detecting hardware and thazt saves a lot of headaches
20:28<tesy>rpetre: I don't care about if ISP will have an IPv6 range or not if I'll be able to have IPv6 connectivity from somebody else for free.
20:29<rpetre>so you may wind up as openly online with various services
20:29<rpetre>non-tunnelled v6 is much better if you access nearby resources
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20:30<rpetre>until a month ago i had to tunnel to my vps provider in uk (from romania) to get to v6 internet, even formy v6 servers nearby
20:30<rpetre>now i have direct connectivity, it's much easier
20:30<rpetre>especially since dual-stacked sites prefer the v6 address
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20:31<rpetre>so if you suddenly have a v6 default route, you'll be surprised by how much it will be used
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20:33<tesy>Dexter: Do what works for you. That's a rule for real life. If it is Knoppix - use Knoppix.
20:33<Dexter>Wow!! Sounds like you really get around the internet, rpetre.
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20:34<tesy>rpetre: Non-tunneled IPv6 is what I'd like to try for my LAN.
20:34<Dexter>Thanks, tesy.
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20:34<rpetre>i'm a sysadmin, i'm supposed to know about these things, so i need to do homework :)
20:34<tesy>rpetre: Non-tunneled/direct - be independent
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20:36<Dexter>Yeah, a sysadmin does have to stay on top of things
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20:39<Dexter>Hi drmanys
20:39<tesy>Yo, got it
20:39<tesy>Was just other way
20:39<tesy>Yo hey drmanyx
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20:40<drmanyx>I need help because my grub debian 6 , no detect my windows
20:42<Dexter>You need advice from an experienced Linux user, which I am not
20:43<themill>!grub2 config
20:43<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian and Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and (GRUB wiki).
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20:45<Dexter>I have a tior boot system, but its not due to any skill. GrUB loaded itself to the MBR of XP and Viola!!
20:46<Dexter>This was after installing Kmnnoppix on a separate hd
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21:11<Molly83>Hi all, I am trying to set up mutt for sending and reiceving emails from terminal, I fail to send msg getting the advice " Mailing to remote domains not supported"
21:11<JoeKickass>your mta is not configured properly
21:11<dpkg>A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
21:12<Molly83>ok, thanks
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21:12<Molly83>what should I do to format it properly?
21:13<JoeKickass>you'll first want to determine which mta you have. Probably exim4 or postfix
21:13<JoeKickass>run dpkg -l|grep exim
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21:13<Molly83>ok, I try to recall it
21:14<JoeKickass>or dpkg -l|grep postf
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21:14<JoeKickass>etc. or there is probably an aptitude command to tell you
21:14<Molly83>ii exim4 4.72-6+squeeze2 metapackage to ease Exim MTA (v4) installation
21:15<rpetre> aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent
21:15<JoeKickass>alright, then try ''dpkg-reconfigure exim4'' I think will prompt you to reconfigure it
21:15<JoeKickass>nice rpetre :)
21:15<Molly83>mmm rpetre I do not understand
21:16<rpetre>~i means installed
21:16<rpetre>~P means "provides what follows"
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21:16<rpetre>"search for any installed package that provides mail-transport-agent"
21:17<JoeKickass>rpetre's aptitude-fu is strong
21:17<rpetre>JoeKickass: not that much, but i try to keep it sharp :P
21:17<Molly83>~i~Pmail-transport-agent gives command not found
21:17<JoeKickass>never mind that Molly83, you already know it's exim4
21:17<rpetre>aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent
21:17<Molly83>~i~Pmail-transport-agent gives also command not found
21:18<Molly83>I meant
21:18<Molly83>dpkg-reconfigure exim4 gives also command not found
21:18<syntaur>Are those tilde's.. or do I have an odd font.
21:18<Molly83>ah ok, shoud I change them in -?
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21:18<rpetre>yes, tildes. there's an extended syntax, but i never learned it
21:18<Molly83>ok it's exim4
21:19<rpetre>Molly83: it's irrelevant, we already determined you have exim
21:19<syntaur>Ah.. I've never used aptitude.. I'm just used to those types of things being dashes :p
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21:19<Molly83>ok, perfect
21:19<rpetre>now you need to configure it to accept outgoing mail
21:19<Molly83>ok, dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does not work, what is wrong with it?
21:20<Molly83>ah, missing space?
21:20<JoeKickass>you probably typed it wrong - you should absolutely definitely have that command
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21:21<Molly83>bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
21:21<JoeKickass>oh, you need to be root
21:21<JoeKickass>or use sudo
21:21<Molly83>ah, ok
21:21<JoeKickass>the command is not available to regular users
21:22<JoeKickass>since it reconfigures part of your system :)
21:22*cmr has the sbin's in his PATH
21:22<Molly83>root@debian:/home/user# bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
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21:23<cmr>Molly83: try /usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure
21:23<cmr>/usr/sbin sorry
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21:24<JoeKickass>but if it is saying that you have other problems
21:24<Molly83>ok, i get a different page of the terminal
21:24<JoeKickass>great, it's asking you how to setup your mta
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21:25<Molly83>it says: Riconfigurare exim4-config anziché questo pacchetto
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21:25<JoeKickass>you probably want to choose the smarthost option (adjust for your language) and enter your ISP's SMTP server
21:25<Molly83>it says to reconfigure exim4-config instead this package
21:25<JoeKickass>yeah that's fine
21:25<JoeKickass>exim4 is not the real package
21:26<JoeKickass>so dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
21:26<Molly83>it suggests dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
21:26<Molly83>wow, that's it
21:27<Molly83>now i have to swich option
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21:28<JoeKickass>Molly83: it's up to you how it's configured. You may need to contact your ISP to decide how it needs to be
21:28<Molly83>what kind of configuration should I choose?
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21:28<JoeKickass>the correct one :P
21:29<Molly83>ok, maybe the one who says "internet site: sent mail and received direclty with SMTP"?
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21:29<JoeKickass>probably not
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21:30<JoeKickass>that's for actual mail servers with their own domain names and stuff
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21:30<Molly83>sent mail using a smarthost; received via SMTP of fetchmail?
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21:30<Molly83>I have just 5 possibilities
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21:31<JoeKickass>like I said above, you probably want "smarthost"
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21:32<Molly83>ah ok, sorry. and what about received emails?
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21:32<JoeKickass>you basically want to configure it like you would Outlook. I don't know what options it asks about though
21:33<Molly83>I will sort it out somehow
21:33<Molly83>thank you all guys
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21:39<MrFrood>also available as the `newbiedoc; package if you want it locally
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21:42<Molly83>no problem to read it via web :)
21:43<JoeKickass>when your 'net is working ;)
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21:44<Molly83>oh, I think I will have to deal with email issues just as long as my connection works :D
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22:01<tesy>Yo, I think I'll go out.
22:01<tesy>Bye all
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22:02<mix22891>i got the log file
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22:03<mix22891>with who did i talk before?
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22:05<MrFrood>mix22891: when? I just scolled back through the last 4 hours and did not notice your name
22:05<mix22891>it was more then 4h'
22:06<mix22891>about connect to the internet trough debian
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22:06<JoeKickass>mix22891: you were talking to scraze, grandie, babilen, and others. You were having trouble with your ADSL connection. Go ahead please :)
22:06<MrFrood>whoever it was could well be sleeping now
22:06<mix22891>where to post the log?
22:07<JoeKickass>there are always people here to help
22:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
22:07<ph4nt0m_>can someone pls help me with virtual box install im getting this error then it crashes : The virtual machine window is optimized to work in 32 bit color mode but the virtual display is currently set to 24 bit.
22:07<ph4nt0m_>whoops sorry
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22:07<ph4nt0m_>i just got that message
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22:08<JoeKickass>ph4nt0m_: you should ask that in a virtualbox channel. Someone here might know though
22:09<ph4nt0m_>ahh right thankyou
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22:09<mix22891>please help
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22:09<mix22891>i don't know how to connect to the internet trough debian
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22:11<JoeKickass>looks like you should be good. How are you not online? Can you ping your gateway? DNS? Google?
22:11<MrFrood>mix22891: you use adsl?
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22:14<mix22891>JoeKickass> i don't know how to do this
22:14<mix22891>MrFrood> yes
22:14<JoeKickass>mix22891: how are you not online?
22:15<MrFrood>ping -c3
22:15<mix22891>i don't know
22:15<JoeKickass>mix22891: I mean, what makes you think you aren't?
22:15<mix22891>MrFrood> i've tryed to surf to but no luck
22:15<MrFrood>mix22891: your router uses dhcp?
22:16<JoeKickass>he doesn't have a router
22:16<JoeKickass>adsl modem only - we deduced this before IIRC
22:16<MrFrood>mix22891: that was just an example of the ping command
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22:17<MrFrood>ah ok, so no dhcp?
22:17<JoeKickass>mix22891: what is the output of: ''/sbin/route -n'' , ''ping -c3'', and ''cat /etc/resolv.conf''
22:17<JoeKickass>yes dhcp, he used it in his paste there
22:18<mix22891>MY GF IS TRASH
22:18<mix22891>she drop me before 1h' and now she call me
22:18<JoeKickass>mix22891: you may complain about that in #moocows
22:18<MrFrood>JoeKickass: that was how the computer was set up no the modem
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22:18<Xenguy>There's no way that is the correct output =)
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22:25<mix22891>JoeKickass> she go to one to another
22:26<mix22891>a whore
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22:26<JoeKickass>mix22891: please, if you want to chat about that, go to #moocows. It is not allowed here.
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22:28<MrFrood>mix22891: this is a family-friendly channel, tone down the language and keep on topic if you don't want a ban
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22:33<amitz>#tardigans has never ban policy for trash talk. it's an official spin of #moocows. i thought i should let #debian knows.
22:33<sney>good to know, thanks
22:35<simonlnu>and we care why exactly?
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22:35<sney>so we know where to send the chatty hooligans
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---Logclosed Fri Nov 04 00:00:57 2011