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02:27<LuckyMan>Ìîæíî ëè äåáèàí èñïîëüçîâàòü êàê Âåá-ñåðâåð?
02:27<LuckyMan>Ìîæíî ëè äåáèàí èñïîëüçîâàòü êàê Âåá-ñåðâåð?
02:28*LuckyMan slaps markvand1nborre around a bit with a large trout
02:28*LuckyMan slaps mc68040 around a bit with a large trout
02:28*LuckyMan slaps Aketzu around a bit with a large trout
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02:56<K0JIbKA>hi all!
02:59<K0JIbKA>there was sudden abruption in Ethernet communication. Power down for router. Upon waking up debian system I found that it hangs up in graphical mode. All icons and mouse action were OK but I could not logout system normal way. Where to check logs, what was going on?
03:00<K0JIbKA>I mean debian system logs. which are they?
03:03<MrFrood>K0JIbKA: try /var/log/
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03:05<K0JIbKA>MrFrood:they are quite many.
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03:15<K0JIbKA>MrFrood: you mean ALL of them?
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03:18<MrFrood>given what you ddescribed I'dd check the network andd X related logs first
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03:20*Pumba Bonjour à ts
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03:30<K0JIbKA> MrFrood: like auth.log, for example?
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03:31<K0JIbKA>I had no activity on 07:58:17
03:31<K0JIbKA>anything else?
03:31<K0JIbKA>how to check network?
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03:35<K0JIbKA>in case anybody missed interesting part I'll repeat. there was sudden power loss in Ethernet communication. Power loss for router. Upon waking up debian system I found that it hangs up in graphical mode. All icons and mouse action were OK but I could not logout system normal way. Where to check logs, what was going on?
03:36<K0JIbKA>now I found something strange in /var/log/auth.log what else to be checked?
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03:46<K0JIbKA>here comes /var/log/kern.log why processes started to get killed?
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03:49<kenyon>!tell K0JIbKA about oom-killer
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03:51<K0JIbKA>kenyon: is that something concerning SWAP?
03:52<K0JIbKA>cause here comes description with 'messages'
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03:58<K0JIbKA>kenyon: I read about oom-killer few seconds back and wonder if it is able to kill even some 'root' processes too?
03:59<K0JIbKA>ok GNOME panel isn't root but I was not able to run Alt+F2 either!
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04:01<konverguoju>hello, how do I check battery usage by console output?
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04:20<Bushmills>charge level?
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04:42<kenyon>konverguoju: acpi --battery
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04:42<sergey>hello all
04:42<java4>hi #!
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04:44<konverguoju>kenyon: I'd like to know it's usage at the given moment in miliwatts
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05:12<DYSW>I hope somebody can help explain this. Running squeeze on with apache, mysql, clean simple setup. But still my system load times are very high without explantion. Take a look
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05:13<DYSW>The procceses uage of mem and cpu are low. it looks like something besides my system is pulling the panties of the server. Not sure thought how to read that top command
05:14<kenyon>DYSW: something is doing a lot of I/O. see the wa percentage.
05:14<DYSW>wa percentage ?
05:15<DYSW>The server is down atm. cant even ssh into it. its always down this time a day. for the last 3 days in a row between 10 and 10.30 local time.
05:15<DYSW>But my apche and mysql proccess cant be doing this right ?
05:15<kenyon>try iotop or atop
05:16<DYSW>i will when i comes up again
05:16<Aketzu>janitor coming same time every day and plugging vacuum cleaner to server power?
05:16<DYSW>But i need to proof to my hoster that im not doing this, the more likely it is he will admit his faults
05:16<kenyon>is it a VPS?
05:17<DYSW>Aketzu > most likely
05:17<DYSW>yes. qemu/kvm E3 1230 with 8 vps on it. 15gb ram.
05:17<DYSW>16 sorry
05:17<kenyon>if it's a VPS then that load is all due to your processes
05:18<DYSW>How ? look at the tops, mysql and apache takes less than 1% of cpu load 2% memery load. Dont there have to be a proccess doing all this ? I just cant see that proccess
05:18<DYSW>cpus are shared on the vps btw
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05:19<kenyon>the CPU is only 37% idle
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05:20<DYSW>kenyon > doesnt that support my concern that my system is not to be blamed
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05:22<kenyon>DYSW: things happening outside of your virtual machine will not affect the load you see in your top.
05:23<DYSW>Okay. thats good to know. But what proccess is causing this. what can i do ?
05:24<kenyon>like I said, use iotop and other tools. also, top has some other views that might give hints.
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05:27<DYSW>I will, it just strange since iwe been using the same setup for yeras on other vps. This command is all thats installed on the server. got 5 other vps same command run. no problems.
05:27<DYSW>apt-get install apache2 curl imagemagick mcrypt mysql-common mysql-client mysql-server libapache2-mod-auth-mysql phpmyadmin php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common php5-cli php5-cgi php5-curl php5-imagick php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-xcache php-pear unzip
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05:47<DYSW>Now its backup again. Got iotop running. How can i tell if all is good or if all are poor with the disk io loads ?
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05:57<EmleyMoor>Is there something I can easily run on a Debian system to see how well the CPU(s) are performing?
05:57<theocrite>Or tload for the load.
05:57<EmleyMoor>I'm looking for smoothness, not figures
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05:58<EmleyMoor>Though the load is higher than I expeted so that could be it
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06:02<DYSW>top works to
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06:05<EmleyMoor>top actually confirms that iceweasel is my busiest process... psi, java and Xorg also feature highly
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06:06<Aketzu>powertop might tell something
06:06<EmleyMoor>Aketzu: If I had it, it might...
06:06<Aketzu>just apt-get install...
06:07<EmleyMoor>Indeed - looking at it now
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06:08<EmleyMoor>I just turned off C1E in my BIOS to see if it helped my VMs - it has resulted in a change but still a problem
06:08<Jenni_>hey, does anyone know if iptables comes with recent installed by default?
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06:08<DYSW>Jenni > not enabled by default
06:09<Black_Prince>It comes installed by default, but no rules are set ...
06:09<Jenni_>is there a guide somewhere to loading it?
06:09<Black_Prince>man 8 iptables maybe?
06:10<DYSW>Make sure you reallly need it before you start to setup rules.
06:10<Black_Prince>It depends really on what you want to do with them.
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06:10<Aketzu>or maybe just 'modprobe xt-recent'
06:10<Jenni_>i'm trying to set up a blacklist for people trying to brute-force my ftp password, but whenever i use '-m recent' it tells me there was no match
06:11<Jenni_>i presume that means it's not installed
06:11<Black_Prince>I only use iptables for forwarding from outside interface to local one ...
06:11<DYSW>You could change the ftp port. not sure it would do the trick
06:11<Aketzu>'echo xt-recent > /etc/modules' should load it automatically
06:12<Jenni_>that didn't seem to help, Aketzu
06:12<Aketzu>which one?
06:12<Aketzu>(/etc/modules is only read at startup)
06:12<Jenni_>wait, i probably need to restart iptables
06:12<Black_Prince>dpkg, ftp must die
06:12<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
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06:13<Jenni_>wait do i have to reboot the entire system, or can i just restart iptables?
06:13<Thanatermesis>is down or its only me ?
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06:13<Aketzu>Jenni_: 'sudo modprobe xt-recent'
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06:14<Jenni_>module xt recent not found
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06:14<Thanatermesis>or more exactly
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06:15<Jenni_>Thanatermesis, i can read the index for
06:15<Black_Prince>When you use iptables first time it will load netfilter modules ... So no need for restarting on whatever ...
06:15<Jenni_>iptables is already running though
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06:17<Black_Prince>iptables is not a service, so you can't define it as running. netfilter kernel modules may be loaded and running, if that is what you wanted to say.
06:17<Jenni_>well ok then
06:17<Black_Prince>iptables is just low level interface to kernel netfilter system or whatever ...
06:18<Jenni_>it doesn't seem to have recent, and i'm not sure how to get it
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06:18<Aketzu>update to newer kernel
06:19<Aketzu>what kernel do you have?
06:19<Black_Prince>xt-recent module is here on my system with squeeze kernel from backports.
06:20<Aketzu>seems to be there from 2.6.32 onwards
06:20<Jenni_>oh, right
06:20<Jenni_>this is the old vps using lenny
06:20<Black_Prince>Lenny isn't 2.6.18 ... That is etch maybe ...
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06:20<Aketzu>lenny-backports has 2.6.32
06:20<Black_Prince>judd, kernels
06:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
06:20<Aketzu>and updating kernel in vps is probably not possible
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06:20<retro|blah>Depends on the vps
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06:21<Black_Prince>Aketzu, alert your vps provider ... let them upgrade you to lenny, then to squeeze :)
06:21<Jenni_>so there's no way to get it without upgrading the kernel?
06:21<Black_Prince>There is, if you have magic wand, priest and a holly water. Otherwise, no.
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06:22<Jenni_>hm, alright
06:23<Jenni_>changing the port should help, i'll do that instead
06:23<maxb>If your VPS provider is any good they'll have a management interface where you can select a newer kernel
06:23<Jenni_>my vps is $3 p/m <.<
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06:24<Jenni_>anyway thanks for the help everyone
06:24<DYSW>Jenni > you should always pick a vps where you can control kernel if you need it. it costs a bit more though
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06:26<Jenni_>i'll keep it in mind when i finally change providers ; )
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06:26<Black_Prince>Well, we just found out that lenny has 2.6.18 kernel, right? /me chuckles
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06:30<DYSW>,version kernel
06:30<judd>No package named 'kernel' was found in i386.
06:30<DYSW>im a nub,. > but yes Black_prince that sounds about right
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06:31<Black_Prince>DYSW, that was just sarcasm ... Lenny has 2.6.26 kernel. /msg judd kernels
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06:44<r3b00tx>Hi, I install wheezy with 3.0 kernel. Now i need to install the ati proprietary drivers. Can i follow the guide that is available for squeeze?
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06:50<devil>what guide?
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06:52<devil>r3b00tx: well, obviously you need to change the kernel version.
06:53<devil>r3b00tx: but other than that, it should install correctly
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06:53<devil>r3b00tx: but dont hold your breath, that does not mean it will work
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06:56<r3b00tx>devil, ye i must do those changes but i was confused linux kernel version system change might trouble.
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06:56<devil>r3b00tx: i never owned a ATI card, but it should install. just be aware, that fglrx often does not work
06:57<r3b00tx>devil, ati propreitary driver supports 2.6 and greater but i was just skeptical abt 3.0
06:57<r3b00tx>devil, anyway ll give it a try
06:57<r3b00tx>devil, thanks dude
06:57<Zaba>r3b00tx, 3.0 is just 2.6.40
06:58<devil>r3b00tx: kernel is not so much of a problem as the x-server might be
06:58<devil>at least thats true for sid
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06:58<Zaba>yes, fglrx doesn't work with X server 1.11
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06:59<Zaba>at least until fglrx 11.12, but that isn't released yet
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07:03<r3b00tx>zaba, devil, ye seems fglrx packages are not available in wheezy repo :(
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07:03<Zaba>r3b00tx, indeed, they were removed because of
07:04<Zaba>r3b00tx, packages with release-critical bugs disappear from testing
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07:05<r3b00tx>zaba, oops ye but now what shud i do? install squeeze?
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07:05<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to support multiple addresses on the same email account when using icedove?
07:05<r3b00tx>zaba, i was trying to return back from ubuntu but its seems to be a disaster both ways
07:05<SynrG>btw, #debian-next is for wheezy support
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07:06<SynrG>the free radeon driver doesn't work for you?
07:06<r3b00tx>synrG, ye but there i didnt get any help so got back here
07:06<devil>r3b00tx: does radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree not work for you
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07:07<r3b00tx>SynrG, nah its not working up properly
07:07<SynrG>r3b00tx: devil answered you 4m after you left ... not patient enough? :)
07:07<r3b00tx>devil, that is waot i m trying to do
07:08<Zaba>r3b00tx, well, you could install an older xorg server while fglrx is broken this way
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07:08<r3b00tx>SynrG, hehe nah didnt meant that way.
07:08<Zaba>r3b00tx, I think some comments in that bug report have pointers to how to do that
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07:08<SynrG>i mean, had you stayed on #debian-next, we'd have responded
07:08<Zaba>personally I've just never upgraded xorg server in the first place
07:08<r3b00tx>zaba, ye ye was checking tat link :)
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07:10<r3b00tx>SynrG, ye got tat, but some network issue so left and returned back here
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07:22<jankidudel>wget ... saved as index.html ? Why ?
07:24<EmleyMoor>jankidudel: What did you expect?
07:25<jankidudel>EmleyMoor, I expect to to have .tar.gz file or so , I suppose this happens because this is like a directory /tarball/ where script downloads that file ?
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07:26<retro|blah>Probably. Just rename it.
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07:27<EmleyMoor>jankidudel: If renaming it doesn't work, examine the file to see if it gives you the real URL of the file you want
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07:29<r3b00tx>jankidudel, may be try this
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07:31<jankidudel>thanks, renaming helped. , the size of index.html was around 6 mb :D
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07:35<r3b00tx>\quit leaving
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08:04<eshat>why does sed behave completly different when it comes to variables like (.*) ?
08:05<cthuluh>sed has no variables
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08:08<SynrG>see regex(7)
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08:35<EmleyMoor>Well, the performance issues I'm seeing are not swap-related - I have loads and it's not being used
08:35<EmleyMoor>Do java applications sometimes cause slowdowns?
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08:40<gk>hi... i've installed debian 6 by a usb stick using unetbootin but the grub has been installed in pendrive itself. so the system is unable to boot without to fix this problem??....can anybody help?
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08:44<EmleyMoor>Can we help you, sephard?
08:45<cthuluh>gk: boot into the system, identify your main drive, then grub-install it
08:45<cthuluh>you may need to correct /boot/grub/
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08:46<cthuluh>gk: next time, consider not using unetbootin. it isn't supported by debian
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08:48<gk>cthuluh: thanks for replying....i'm trying to do that u said
08:48<sephard>is just a silly question that I dunno if it's worth the try
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08:50<EmleyMoor>If you don't ask, you'll never know
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08:53<sephard>ok, let's see
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08:53<sephard>I've got a couple of tapes that I want to digitalize
08:53<EmleyMoor>Audio tapes?
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08:54*EmleyMoor congratulates sephard on finding one of his particular areas of knowledge
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08:55<sephard>I'm using an old walkman that works fine. Hearing those tapes through the headphones sound OK but whenever I connect it to my computer and try to record them, nothing is heared
08:55<gk>cthuluh: i tried to boot with out pendrive, it showed this "/bin/sh:can't access tty; job control turned off".....i'm new to linux. can u plz tell me how to correct /boot/grub/
08:55<sephard>I've been testing with arecord, but I get lost with the parameter -D
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08:56<sephard>I've tried on windows and it works OK
08:56<akakaka>I just installed nvidia-glx on testing. Is it right that I have to set up an /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf myself?
08:56<EmleyMoor>sephard: First, check that you are connecting the source to an input... - but if it works on Windows, that's a good sign...
08:57<sephard>It's not a mixer problem, because all channels seem to be at 100%
08:57<sephard>but don't worry I'll try this evening with a different walkman/cable and see what happens
08:57<EmleyMoor>Have you checked the recording mode of the mixer? Which mixer program do you use?
08:57<sephard>do you know any other recorder for linux? audacity maybe?
08:57<sephard>command line would be a plus
08:57*EmleyMoor uses audacity
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08:58<EmleyMoor>... when I can get it to work at all, that is
08:58<sephard>ok, I'll try later
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08:58<cthuluh>gk: can you burn an other usb key?
08:58<sephard>I think the issue might be with the walkman, because when I tested on windows it sounded like crap
08:59<EmleyMoor>sephard: Using a headphone connector can introduce distortion due to the Walkman'-s amplifier and the volume level
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09:00<gk>cthuluh: yes
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09:01<gk>cthuluh: should i do it without using unetbootin?
09:02<cthuluh>gk: dd if=/your/debian.iso of=/dev/<your usb key> bs=32K
09:02<sephard>btw, why certain packages are no longer updated in any of the branches even if new upstream versions are available? lack of maintainers?
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09:03<gk>cthuluh: ok
09:03<EmleyMoor>sephard: If you mean in unstable, then that is likely the reason, yes
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09:06<sephard>no I mean in all branches (stable, sid, experimental)
09:06<sephard>i.e. nmap
09:06<sephard>maybe a change of license?
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09:07<EmleyMoor>No new versions will come to stable - that would break it
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09:09<mewerner_arand>sephard: I would assume it's the maintainer not having enough time:
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09:11<mewerner_arand>sephard: Oh, nvm, that was for the version already in..
09:11<EmleyMoor>nmap is at 5.21-1.1 in sid and wheezy...
09:12<sephard>being a maintainer in addition to uploading new upstream versions you must deal with bugs? I mean, you need to know the ins and outs of the software your packaging?
09:12<EmleyMoor>While I'm on the subject of sound, I appear to have little by way of mixer control on my main sound card...
09:13<sephard>are you using alsamixer?
09:13<mewerner_arand>sephard: Preferably, though I assume many simply relay the bugs upstream.
09:13<EmleyMoor>It doesn't matter what mixer. I'm sure there used to be far more than there is now
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09:14<sephard>for EmleyMoor, in alsamixer press F4
09:14<sephard>you mean that?
09:15<EmleyMoor>No, there's only four levels total even if I F5... there used to be far, far more
09:15<sephard>which soundcard do you have?
09:15<sephard>mine shows a LOT of controls even it's a shitty intel hda
09:16<EmleyMoor>HDA ATI SB, Realtek 892
09:16<EmleyMoor>Mine used to show a lot, now doesn't
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09:17<sephard>and with amixer?
09:18<EmleyMoor>With *any* mixer
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09:18<sephard>sure it's weird
09:18<EmleyMoor>The adjuster in audacity doesn't work at all...
09:19<sephard>mine on linux shows LOT of controls but in windows just 4, lol
09:19<EmleyMoor>I used to be able to get the level "over the top" easily. Now 6dB down
09:19<EmleyMoor>Only 4 on Linux on mine
09:19<EmleyMoor>Any recording I try to make is just hiss
09:19<sephard>same problem here
09:21<sephard>this could be possible?: arecord|aplay
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09:21<sephard>then you connect anything to line input or mic input and it should play oon the speakers, don't it?
09:22<sephard>by anything I mean your mp3 player or anything like that
09:23<EmleyMoor>It shouldn't be necessary. You should be able to mix it straight through if you wish
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09:25<sephard>well, at least I didn't erased windows so I'll record there
09:25<sephard>later I'll give it another try with another walkman/tape player
09:25<sephard>I mean, tape deck
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09:45<kraftwerk>Any help? nvidia-glx is running extremely slow on testing.
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09:52<babilen>kraftwerk: First and foremost: Wheezy/Sid support is done in #debian-next -- You want to use the nvidia-kernel-dkms version that is in experimental (i.e. 290) -- For more information read:
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10:00<aracon>no help wanted
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10:05<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I'd got the wires twixt amp and computer crossed over somehow
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10:11<anbe>babilen, I uploaded new nvidia releases yesterday to sid (275.36, fixes trapezoids aka xserver 1.11.1 slowness with older cards) and experimental (290.06 beta, fixes flash segfault)
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10:14<babilen>anbe: Splendid! Thanks for the work and for letting me know :)
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11:03<kalunga>i'am starting at the first time
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11:14<sney>insert tumbleweed
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11:18<Anthony333>im trying to find out if linux supports a cisco network card i want to buy, but i have had no luck
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11:19<Anthony333>CISCO QUAD PORT ETHERNET 10/100 PCI CARD 124040-01-1102 SC402404-25T
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11:20<sney>you really need to know what the actual chip is called
11:20<sney>if you can find a photo of the nic that's usually good enough
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11:20<Anthony333>erm well that would be good sney or the drivers for the board
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11:21<Anthony333>il go search for images, brb
11:21<sney>that said, I've never seen a 10/100 NIC in the wild that didn't have kernel support
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11:24<Anthony333>amazing thing is i add linux to the search i get no results or specifications dont show up the chipset but....
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11:24<Anthony333>ive never serched for a pci card and found soooo many companies that buy in bulk and refurb and resell this card
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11:25<Anthony333>my search resultss have been full of refurbishers and resellers
11:25<Anthony333>is that a really good omen?
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11:26<Anthony333>if anyone is interested that is the card
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11:26<sney>intel chips
11:26<sney>you're good to go
11:26<Anthony333>yes ....!
11:26<Anthony333>thank you
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11:27<Anthony333>now i just got to win :)
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12:11<Tekk_>how do I authorize a user to install packages with ck?
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12:11<valdyn>Tekk_: give him the root password
12:12<Tekk_>I don't mean "ck-launch-session software-center", that errors since the user isn't authorized
12:12<Tekk_>valdyn: oh the root pass is required no matter what?
12:13<valdyn>Tekk_: you didnt get it. Root isnt tied to a password, but allowing a user to install packages is equivalent to giving a user root permissions
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12:13<Tekk_>valdyn: not exactly, afaict. that would be why ck exists
12:13<Tekk_>I can authorize a user to install packages, but not, say, print
12:13<Tekk_>(anyone correct me if I'm mistaken there)
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12:19<valdyn>Tekk_: no it cant do that exactly
12:19<valdyn>Tekk_: it can put those special permissions on dbus services
12:21<Tekk_>yeah, so it's a dbus thing?
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12:22<valdyn>Tekk_: it does what the package description sais
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12:22<Tekk_>valdyn: you mean the error? it should happen on any package
12:22<valdyn>Tekk_: any program can rely on the information provided by consolekit to change its behaviour
12:23<Tekk_>oh yeah, hold on
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12:24<valdyn>Tekk_: and that information can then be used to differentiate between the same user being logged in locally or remotely
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12:25<valdyn>Tekk_: software-center needs root, as the package description sais however
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12:26<valdyn>Tekk_: maybe you really mean packagekit
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12:27<Tekk_>valdyn: the issue is policykit, got terms mixed up
12:27<Tekk_>fixing it now
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12:48<MD__>Hi! Lately I am trying to configure keyless system (LVM + LUKS + key files on USB memory stick). I am using /lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev script to read the key file from the USB stick (I will paste my cat /etc/crypttab below). Reading the file works correctly, but I would like to type the password if I forget to take the USB memory, so the fallback option should be askpass. I used the time out option to do that, but unfortunately it is not w
12:48<MD__>orking for me. During the boot system tries to read the password from the USB, and if it fails it does not fallback to asking password. I know about the bug but the bug report says, that it was "Fixed in version cryptsetup/2:1.0.7-1" (I am using 2:1.1.3-4squeeze2). Can you help me with that?
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12:49<MD__>cat /etc/crypttab
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12:49<MD__>zbox--vg-root--lv_crypt UUID=a0e4f68b-53ca-43fd-a117-5322f49be662 /dev/disk/by-uuid/BC8D-6044:/s:10 luks,keyscript=/lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev
12:49<MD__>For other logical volumes is similar (config + behavior)
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13:04<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... got to the bottom of part (only) of my sound recording problem - leads were in wrong connectors... however, I can't now record anything but white noise - no sign of the line input on my computer
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13:05<EmleyMoor>As I say, I am sure there used to be more control in the mixer
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13:20<EmleyMoor>Grrr! Why does LibreOffice Writer permit text normal or rotated 90 or 270 degrees but not 180?
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13:22<dardevelin>EmleyMoor, hi, you might want to try do that question in freenode
13:22<dardevelin> /join #libreoffice
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13:25<EmleyMoor>I might want an answer to my main question first... but thanks, dardevelin.
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13:26<chatnix>i'm trying to set up a 6in4 tunnel, but when starting up the network i get the error 'add tunnel sit0 failed: No buffer space available'...especially odd since i'm trying to setup sit1, not sit0?
13:26<dardevelin>EmleyMoor, whats your main question ? i just logged in
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13:26<babilen>EmleyMoor: This is #debian and your question does not strike me as being particularly related to Debian. I think it is more than fair (helpful even) to point out a better suited channel to you.
13:26<EmleyMoor>*That* question, yes, admitted...
13:26<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... got to the bottom of part (only) of my sound recording problem - leads were in wrong connectors... however, I can't now record anything but white noise - no sign of the line input on my computer
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13:30<zxc>Hi. I have Debian Squeeze installed in two pc. A desktop and a laptop. I'm accesing to the desktop with SSH. I can do most of things, but I have a bash alias that is not recognized when I'm using ssh. Any Ideas of why it is and how to solve it? Thanks.
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13:30<EmleyMoor>Until quite recently, I am sure there were more than four levels in the mixer - there was a page of input selection for a start.
13:31<EmleyMoor>Most of the channels in the mixer could be muted too - no longer an option
13:31<EmleyMoor>(and no, I cannot pinpoint when it went like this)
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13:32<babilen>zxc: Use the same configuration for your shell on both hosts?
13:33<zxc>babilen, I bet yes. I just noticed that it doesnt work too when I make an ssh myuser@localhost
13:33<zxc>from the desktop)
13:34<babilen>zxc: Where do you define the aliases? In .bashrc?
13:34<zxc>babilen, Yes
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13:34<zxc>babilen, I defined aliases and redefined PATH
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13:35<babilen>zxc: Well, that won't work. You either need to source your alias definitions from .bash_profile or live with it. (The latter is somewhat suboptimal) -- Read about login shells
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13:36<babilen>zxc: greycat has something enlightening on this:
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13:36<zxc>babilen, Thank you very much.
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13:40<EmleyMoor>Is there anything I can do to find out if the mixer programs really are showing me all that they should?
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13:42<nomad_lw>pardon me for my interference, does this work?
13:43<JoeKickass>!irc tutorial
13:43<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
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13:43<JoeKickass>this irc channel is for support with debian
13:43<EmleyMoor>nomad_lw: "hello" is just noise on here <g>
13:43<nomad_lw>oh, i'm on ubuntu
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13:43<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
13:44<JoeKickass>no problem
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13:44<nomad_lw>okay, well, thanks a lot.! :D
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13:46<EmleyMoor>I'm not 100% sure I ever did any sound recording with this motherboard - though I thought I did. I am somewhat dismayed I can't get it to work... everything is connected properly but I can't see how to access the Line In signal...
13:46<JoeKickass>EmleyMoor: I have the same problem
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13:47<EmleyMoor>All I get whet I record is white noise. I can record OK on my laptop, though
13:47<EmleyMoor>when, even
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13:48<EmleyMoor>JoeKickass: Just out of interest, what is your sound hardware?
13:49<JoeKickass>just looking it up... That machine is at work
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13:49<JoeKickass>Audio device [0403]: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG [1102:0009]
13:49<JoeKickass>I've had bad luck with X-Fi on linux before
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13:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... ATI Azalia here
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13:50<JoeKickass>this is PCIE 1x, in a PCIE 4x riser card on a HP G7 server
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13:50<dardevelin>Tyracy_, boas
13:50<EmleyMoor>Mine is onboard
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13:51<JoeKickass>Mine works for output but I cannot get the thing to record, I just get silence
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13:52<EmleyMoor>Output fine on mine too - recoding is white noise.
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13:53<EmleyMoor>recording, even
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13:55<cq>hello, not sure where to ask this question... i want to run 5 servers in parallel, can be same OS and updates, but I want separate and quickly regenerable userlands... whats the best way? virtualization seems overkill, chroot not enough, ... ?
13:55<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to tell whether the mixer is showing me all it should?
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13:56<JoeKickass>you can run amixer contents|less
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13:57<JoeKickass>that will show you all available options alsa has for your card and their values (man amixer)
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14:00<EmleyMoor>That wouldn't be any good - I can see it really hasn't got what I need - I really need to know if this is alsa's fault
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14:01<rektide>is there any way to prevent aptitude from computing possible resolutions?
14:01<rektide>this embedded hw is very slow, that takes way too long
14:01<JoeKickass>use apt-get, it's faster
14:02<rektide>i don't know how to resolve all the issue i need to in apt-get
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14:02<rektide>i can say 'install this package' and it'll break something in aptitude but let me keep working on the state of the system to eventually make it better
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14:03<rektide>my ability to work out exactly how to reproduce all that resolution with apt-get is only human
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14:03<JoeKickass>well then use aptitude, what can I say :P
14:03<rektide>you could say how to make it not try to resolve packages for me
14:03<rektide>if you knew
14:04<cq>rektide: whats wrong with apt-get?
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14:04<rektide>cq: i don't have enough time and patience to sit down with a paper and graph out the dependencies of the packages i'd liek to install
14:04<cq>else download the packages and install manually with dpkg
14:05<rektide>cq: and i'd rather have a computer do that in the first place
14:05<rektide>knowing what packages to download is what both you kids are missing
14:05<cq>but apt-get downloads packages that you need... I'm missing somethig here I think :)
14:05<rektide>i don't want to take the effort to figure out exactly what versions of everything i need, collect that into some huge file and xargs taht beast to apt-get every change i want
14:06<JoeKickass>apt-get will do it
14:06<rektide>how you two don't grasp the difference between a package manager and a package browser i'm really not sure.
14:06<rektide>i want a usable package browser on an embedded platform
14:06<cq>apt-get calculates and gets dependencies for you
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14:06<cq>apt-cache search
14:06<rektide>cq but often requires you to manually specify versions in complex situations
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14:07<cq>rektide: running unstable?
14:07<rektide>cq and understanding what versions of everything you need to do requries sitting down in front of a laid out graph of dependnecies, on paper, and charting out what needs to bedone to make apt-get find all the right versions
14:07<rektide>cq: yes
14:07<cq>rektide: ah, ok.. because with testig its no proble
14:07<rektide>i think i've done the best job
14:07<rektide>of anyone on the planet
14:07<rektide>explaining the basic difference between a package manager and a package browser
14:07<rektide>pretending apt-get is a substitute for aptitude is pretty comedic
14:08<rektide>i wonder if dselect is still around/faster
14:08<chrisreich>I have read somewhere that one should stick to one or the other of apt-get and aptitude
14:08<rektide>cq: i have testing as my main pin.
14:08<rektide>"Many users find dselect intimidating and new users may prefer to use apt-based user interfaces."
14:08<rektide>that's why.
14:09<rektide>(you've heard what you've heard)
14:09<rektide>oh glorious 999kB, it's been so long since you or a predecessor has been on one of my systems
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14:14<EmleyMoor>At least I'm now reasonably sure I haven't got hosed alsa config...
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14:17<madduck>does anyone have experience with dvd ripping? i am looking for a tool that (a) works, and (b) allows me to select several audio tracks and subtitle tracks, combining everything in a .mkv file.
14:17<madduck>or webm
14:17<madduck>as long as it's licence-free
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14:17<ako>I have some problem with my Debian Graphics configuration, can someone please help me?
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14:18*madduck tries arista, ogmrip, handbrake, winff, dvdrip, and ripmake, but none of them do what I want
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14:19<madduck>ako: ask questions, don't ask to ask questions.
14:19<ako>I think my graphics driver is not installed
14:19<ako>although I have downloaded the driver from NVidia and installed it
14:19<ako>but my windows have some kind of lag
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14:20<ako>they seem to be very slow
14:20<amphi>ako: perhaps check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what driver is actually used
14:20<ako>and not smooth
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14:21<ako>amphi: can you be more specific?
14:21<ako>what should I look for?
14:23<amphi>search for 'ABI class: X.Org Video Driver' and read thereafter, assuming your log looks anything like mine
14:23<amphi>the driver is mentioned after a bunch of modules are loaded near the beginning of the log
14:24<jhutchins_lt>Or, you know, just read the log and see what it tells you is happening.
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14:26<EmleyMoor>Is there anything I can do to find out what ALSA should support on my sound hardware? I am a bit dismayed that I cannot record from line in...
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14:27<ako>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i ABI
14:27<ako>(II) Module ABI versions:
14:27<ako> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
14:27<ako> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
14:27<ako> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
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14:28<MRdinkleburn>Im trying to install debian 6 on a older computer is there a way i can setup a pxe serve on windows 7 to serve the image to the client?
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14:29<ako>why I was kicked?
14:29<EmleyMoor>Pasting into channel
14:30<ako>amphi: Did you see my terminal output?
14:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
14:31<chrisreich>madduck you are looking for "handbrake". It does all you are asking for.
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14:33<madduck>chrisreich: except it wants to scan the entire disk upon start before I can tell it what to do, which takes a long time, does not support VBR audio, and there also seems to be a problem with saving audio settings to profiles.
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14:36<chrisreich>madduck: Initial scanning of the DVD is essential. The need for VBR audio is questionable. I've not had problems with saving audio settings to profiles but I use handbrake under OS X so can't comment from experience.
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14:38<madduck>chrisreich: well, if I encode to Vorbis, I want -q5, no 160kbps, because Vorbis was designed this way and CBR is a hack, AFAIUI
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14:40<chrisreich>madduck I've not seen any app that allows selection of bit rate, constant or otherwise, when using Vorbis. You can only select relative quality. Isn't that the case or do I misunderstand?
14:41<ako>OK, here is my terminal output:
14:42<chrisreich>madduck I wouldn't be conserned about any code being a 'hack' as long as it works as advertised. There is probably more code that could be called 'hack' than most of us know about in any application. :-)
14:42<scraze>ako: since you're using, could you remove the grep (i.e. paste the entire Xorg.0.log) ?
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14:43<madduck>chrisreich: my point, but handbrake seems to allow only setting of constant bitrates, not relative quality for Vorbis audio
14:43<ako>OK, here it is:
14:43<madduck>it does have a quality slider only for video
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14:44<chrisreich>madduck so what do you want to do that handbrake is not allowing?
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14:44<ako>as I said, when I move windows, or minimize or maximize, it is not smooth, and somehow it is lag
14:44<madduck>dinner, bbiab
14:45<chrisreich>bon apetit, madduck
14:45<scraze>ako: hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong but sounds like an ABI incompatibility - Xorg moved up a version but the default NVIDIA driver hasn't yet .. are you on wheezy?
14:46<ako>no, squeeze
14:46<scraze>then I must be wrong :{
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14:47<ako>If I install Ubuntu family or Fedora family, it goes very well
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14:47<scraze>ako: so where did the NVIDIA driver come from? squeeze package seems to has NVIDIA driver version 195, you're sporting 280.13
14:48<ako>I downloaded from NVIdia's web site
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14:49<scraze>ako: newest NVIDIA driver is 285.05.09 - you downloaded this some time ago?
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14:49<scraze>you might have more success with the most recent version
14:49<ako>should I upgrade or use the one on the channel?
14:50<scraze>I'm afraid I don't understand - which channel?
14:50<ako>debian software channel
14:51<ako>or repository :)
14:51<scraze>ah .. well, try NVIDIA's installer first, that's the smallest change - if that doesn't work indeed time for the repo
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14:52<chealer>ako: as you want, but nvidia-installer is not supported here
14:53<chealer>!tell ako about ngd
14:53<ako>all I want is to get a smooth experience
14:53<scraze>thanks chealer
14:53*EmleyMoor is joining the alsa-users mailing list to see if he can get anywhere with the sound
14:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:55<scraze>NVIDIA's own installer is suboptimal because it is not integrated into Debian as Debian would like it - things such as recompiling the NVIDIA driver when installing new kernels work properly with Debian's package
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14:57<scraze>I'm running a badblocks over 1 tb / 931gb disk, it's projecting to take about 75 hours .. does this strike anyone as way too long?
14:59<cybersphinx_>scraze: A full -w run (4 times writing, 4 times reading) needed about two days for my 2 TB drives.
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14:59<scraze>i should add, i'm using -n -s -w
15:00<kraftwerk>Can somebody tell me where the keyboard layout is saved for the new (in sid)?
15:00<ako>Ubuntu had a small utility which told me there are restricted drivers available for my hardware and then let me install them
15:00<ako>is there anything similar in Debian (I guess there is)
15:00<scraze>cybersphinx: thanks, I'll just be patient then :]
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15:01<scraze>ako: not familiar with that utility, but if you have non-free in your repository you should have all packages you need available .. for example there is a firmware-linux-nonfree
15:02<cybersphinx_>scraze: It seems a bit long, but for an older and slower drive it might take that long.
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15:02<scraze>it's a relatively new disk but also cheap & sharing the controller with 5 other disks (of which 2 in raid10)
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15:03<scraze>couldn't find any hdparm values to change, in the past hdparm -d 1 did pure magic but alas
15:05<cybersphinx_>Maybe the controller limits it then. SATA should just work fast by default.
15:06<wompa>I ran badblocks (without any options) on a 1TB usb disk recently, it took about 16 hours
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15:06<babilen>ako: Could you remove the nvidia driver (/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall) and try "The Debian Way"™ (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms) please? Or do you have a particular reason for installing version 280.13?
15:07<babilen>ako: Unfortunately we can and will not support drivers installed using their installer. (You would have to ask #nvidia on for support with that)
15:07<ako>babilen: I have no particular reason. I installed it because I thought it might solve my problem, but then I was too lazy to remove it!
15:07<babilen>ako: The <nvidia dkms> factoid also assumes that there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place.
15:08<babilen>ako: Please try it and also show us the output of "glxinfo" after you've done this.
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15:09<cybersphinx_>wompa: Unless it's USB3 it'll be less than 50 MB/s, while current drives do at least double that.
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15:11<ako>I think I should install nvidia-kernel-dkms, but it is not the repository. Is it on non-free?
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15:12<babilen>ako: Yes
15:13<babilen>!tell ako -about non-free sources
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15:14<wompa>cybersphinx_, the disk doesn't say if it's 2 or 3, but I know the port is 2 though. :(
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15:16<chealer>ako: did you see the link dpkg sent you?
15:16<scraze>cybersphinx: i thought USB2 handled 60 mb/s ?
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15:17<chealer>ako: well, the first step is "Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources". that package is indeed in non-free, like most nvidia graphics drivers packages
15:17<ako>I got it
15:17<ako>I am uninstalling nvidia-installer
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15:19<cybersphinx_>scraze: I've only seen less than 50 here (but with only one drive enclosure/mainboard combination), in any case, it's much slower than SATA directly (also because it can't do SATA stuff like NCQ).
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15:22<scraze>cybersphinx: I'm half-sure remembering a backup with 60 mb/s, but that was when booted from a live disk - optimal situation.. the disk I'm badblocking is on SATA though :] (just to avoid confusion)
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15:27<Aquarius>mic doesn't work by me... any ideas?..
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15:28<Aquarius>in skype
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15:31<tale>Aquarius: Does the microphone and sound work in other application?
15:32<tale>Aquarius: ... application*s*?
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15:34<Aquarius>well.. in control panel it does
15:34<Aquarius>if i unmute it
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15:36<tale>Aquarius: What does this command print?
15:36<tale>lsb_release -a
15:36<Aquarius>you see, i just reinstalled everything, and before i had other probs.. like, i couldn't run several audio apps at the same time... something would take over or just jam the sound..
15:36<tale>Aquarius: Copy it to pastebin.
15:36<Aquarius>ok.. let me see..
15:36<Aquarius>hah.. well , you could simply ask me what version i have :)
15:37<Aquarius>Debian 6 Squeeze
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15:37<tale>Aquarius: 32 or 64 bit version?
15:37<Aquarius>and it says, no LSB modules available too.
15:37<Aquarius>that's about it.
15:37<tale>Aquarius: Is Skype even supposed to work in 64 bit Debian?
15:38<Aquarius>yep... it works, but always a bit troublesome. Right now everything is almost perfect, only mic doesn't work.
15:38<Aquarius>i played with Capture and Capture_1 things.. didn't change anything.
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15:38<tale>Aquarius: How and from where did you install Skype?
15:38<Aquarius>from their official website.
15:39<Aquarius>just ran it with gdi thing
15:39<Aquarius>i always installed it like this
15:39<Aquarius>ok... let's see..
15:39<Aquarius>let me guess.. next thing i'll be doing is fidgeting with AlsA settings? Please, anything but that..
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15:40<Aquarius>i tried using that link for source. Didn't work
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15:40<Aquarius>it's been changed or something..
15:40<benja>WTF is it ?
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15:42*tale ignores benja
15:42<ako>I uninstalled the nvidia-installer and rebooted
15:43<ako>my X system could not start, so I logged in as root (single mode)
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15:43<ako>and mover my xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bc, now I have GUI, but very low resolution
15:44<ako>I have also installe nvidia-kernel-dkms
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15:44<ako>how can I have a new xorg,conf?
15:44<tale>ako: What are You using as display driver?
15:45<ako>I suppose nothing, because I have no xorg.conf
15:45<chrisreich>ako are you looking for the command "X -configure" perhaps?
15:45<tale>ako: xorg.conf is not needed nowadays. It works without.
15:45<tale>ako: You just have to use a driver that supports the display card you have.
15:46<ako>I have installed nvidia-kernel-dkms
15:46<ako>how can I tell X to use it?
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15:46<scraze>ako: does your Xorg.0.log show lines with NVIDIA ? in that case the install is successfull, you would just need to configure the screens afaik
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15:46<tale>ako: Show in pastebin the output of lspci | grep -i vga
15:47<ako>one moment
15:47<ako>it is a single line
15:47<babilen>ako: Did you follow the rest of the installation instructions? (i.e. did you create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory and echo'ed the config stanza to a file in there?)
15:47<babilen>!nvidia dkms
15:48<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
15:48<scraze>tale: you might benefit from his previous Xorg.0.log :
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15:48<ako>babilen: no
15:48<babilen>ako: I am talking about the "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
15:48<babilen>ako: Well, it helps to do that
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15:49<ako>babilen: Where should I get the instructions for what to do?
15:50<babilen>ako: dpkg and I just repeated it. I mentioned the <nvidia dkms> factoid earlier. Did you run "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms" ?
15:50<ako>yes, I installed both kernel headers, and then nvidia-kernel-dkms
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15:52<babilen>ako: Ok, then run the rest of the commands. :)
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15:52<scraze>ako: even though no xorg.conf is required any longer, you need to tell Xorg to use the nvidia driver - which is done by the command babilen gave you
15:52<babilen>ako: I am talking about the "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" command
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15:53<ako>can you please give me the commands one by one?
15:53<ako>I can't see well using this low resolution
15:53<babilen>ako: "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
15:53<babilen>ako: "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
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15:53<Guest15932>hello is there somebody that wouldn't mind helping me with a minor audio issue ? rather new to linux here :)
15:54<ako>ok, then
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15:55<babilen>ako: Or just create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and put in there
15:55<ako>done, and next is reboot?
15:55<scraze>ako: just restart your desktop manager (gdm / kdm /.. ), /etc/init.d/kdm restart
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15:56<Guest15932>anybody free to help ?
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15:56<scraze>Guest15932: just state your question as specific as possible, that has the most chance of success :}
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15:57<Guest15932>I'm on a compaq presario cq56 and the audio works on the headphone jack but not on the internal speakers :P
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15:58<Guest15932>can provide any necessary info, but as I'm rather new to *nix I wouldn't know what would be helpful lol
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15:59<ml|>babilen: you are missing the.. Section "Module"... from that paste
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16:00<Guest15932>anybody? lol
16:00<babilen>ml|: Am I? I just reformatted the <nvidia dkms> instructions -- Are they not correct?
16:00<scraze>Guest15932: that could turn out to be a difficult problem :p .. are those internal speakers using the same soundcard as the headphone jack ?
16:00<devil>ml|: babilens paste is sufficient
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16:01<ako>my resolution is back
16:01<Guest15932>mmm I would assume so, this laptop is new to me so IDk is there a command I can run to check ?
16:01<babilen>Alternative: Millions of screwed setups
16:01<scraze>hooray ako
16:01<babilen>ako: Hooray \o/
16:01<ako>but when I minimize the window, still it is not smooth
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16:02<devil>Guest15932: check alsamixer
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16:02<ako>but the fonts are much better!
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16:02<babilen>ako: Incremental progress ;)
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16:02<ml|>babilen: devil:
16:02<devil>Guest15932: make sure, nothing is muted
16:02<babilen>brb (fag)
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16:02<devil>ml|: i never needed that
16:02<Guest15932>well I just installed the alsamixer package so Idk how to access it haha sorry guys sure this very annoying haha
16:03<babilen>ml|: AFAIK that is automagically loaded
16:03<devil>Guest15932: start it from a xterm
16:03<ako>when I minimize, the window border lags behind the window itself (or something like that, sorry if I am not clear!)
16:04<scraze>Guest15932: alsamixer by default opens card 0, supply the -c parameter to access a different card (e.g. alsamixer -c 1)
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16:04<scraze>Guest15932: i think its safe to say that if there is just 1 audio device in lspci that the internal speakers are connected to the soundcard - check lspci | grep -i audio
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16:05<ml|>ok, just thought I pointed that out, I have not touched that file in a while; also, just checked the wiki and also says the same...
16:05<scraze>Guest15932: lspci LiSts the PCI devices ;]
16:05<Guest15932>thx scraze and yes only one pci device is listed
16:05<Guest15932>its an intel hda
16:06<Guest15932>ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
16:06<devil>ml|: rest asured, it works without the module section
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16:06<ml|>devil: I believe you :)
16:07<scraze>Guest15932: just now realising that it's a laptop .. why would i think of a desktop with internal speakers :i d'oh
16:07<Guest15932>hahaha it is saturday...
16:08<scraze>Guest15932: then theres a great chance that as devil pointed out the channel for the speakers might be muted, that would show up in alsamixer (there are GUI mixers out there btw ;p)
16:09<ako>any help?
16:09<babilen>ako: Ok, could you please paste the output of "glxinfo" (mesa-utils package) and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to ?
16:09<scraze>Guest15932: a muted channel has MM with normal background instead of OO with green background, press m to unmute; press Tab in alsamixer to switch channel 'category'
16:09<Guest15932>well when i run alsamixer the master and pcm levels are good. am i possibly missing one ?
16:10<ako>ok, one moment
16:10<babilen>ako: Oh, throw in "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" too
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16:12<lexii>hi I'm having some difficulty finding a tutorial for lda
16:13<lexii>it's OpenLdap Slapd 2.4.23, I want to set up a single authentication server that handles all auth
16:13<ako>all three commands in one place (sorry if they are cluttered):
16:14<Guest15932>still there scraze ?
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16:14<scraze>Guest15932: I believe so :] did you notice what I said just before your last line?
16:14<lexii>sorry nevermind, typed in openldap into google rather than ldap or slapd and that helped
16:15<scraze>Guest15932: a muted channel has MM with normal background instead of OO with green background, press m to unmute; press Tab in alsamixer to switch channel 'category'
16:15<scraze>Guest15932: to clarify, the MM / OO is at the botom of the level sliders
16:15<Guest15932>i have master, pcm both are at 100
16:16<Guest15932>well actually pcm is at 92
16:16<ako>babilen: all three commands in one place (sorry if they are cluttered):
16:16<scraze>if i'm not mistaken, those are system-wide (so no division headphone jack / speakers there yet)
16:16<shanks>evening all. i installed the necessary mp3 libs from debian-multimedia but how do I get Sound Juicer to show MP3 as a possible output format? It's listed in the GNOME Audio Profile, but is not an option in Sound Juicer or Ryhtmn box for that matter
16:16<scraze>in other words, if you'd mute either master or pcm, the headphone jack would lose its sound as well
16:17<Guest15932>capture , digital 65 and 50 respectibely
16:17<devil>Guest15932: they could still be muted
16:17<shanks>lexii: ldap is the work of Satan
16:17*devil is innocent
16:17<Guest15932>ok where else can I check?
16:17<lexii>I'm a devils advocate so that's ok :P
16:18<Guest15932>the label on capture is red, dunno if that means anything lol
16:18<scraze>Guest15932: capture is for recording, shouldn't influence the output
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16:18<babilen>ako: Looks fine and confirmes that your card is supported
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16:19<Guest15932>any other levels I should be checking?
16:19<babilen>ako: Which desktop environment or window manager are you using? Do you see the same behaviour with another?
16:19<shanks>and just in case no one knows that answer to that one, I have another minor niggle. If I hibernate my laptop , I have to play russian roulette with whether it will restore successfully the next time I boot up. Quite often it fails, restarts and on boot it boots normally and journals are recovered (and inodes fixed etc). Is this 'normal' for Squeeze?
16:19<ako>babilen: do I have compiz here too?
16:20<babilen>ako: Do you?
16:20<scraze>Guest15932: well, my snd_hda_intel has a lot more channels such as Headphone and Front .. if you Tab'd through alsamixers channels and found no such thing, it might be a deeper lying issue
16:20<ako>I am using Gnome
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16:20<ako>babilen: I don't have anything else
16:20<Guest15932>i did and yeah, i think your right about it being a deeper issue
16:20<ako>just my old Gnome
16:21<babilen>ako: Ok, I think I know what you are referring to and that would be normal. You could enable metacity's compositing feature with "gconftool-2 -s '/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager' --type bool true"
16:21<Guest15932>ive only got master, pcm, capture, digital
16:21<shanks>Just need to know if I need to file a bug with gnome-power-manager team or not
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16:22<ako>babilen: Cool, that's it
16:22<babilen>ako: Is the "slow minimising effect" gone with that?
16:22<ako>one more thing, does the last command persist on reboot?
16:22<shanks>just looking on;dist=squeeze. Hope that's teh right place to look
16:23<ako>babilen: yeap
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16:23<ako>All done
16:23<babilen>ako: It does ... The effect was not due to Gnome being slow, but to it using that "animation" or so ... enabling compositing is a nice thing. Wonder why it is still not on by default.
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16:24<babilen>ako: Enjoy :)
16:24<ako>babilen: Thanks so much, but one more thing:
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16:24<babilen>.oO( You already had your "one last thing" )
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16:26<ako>ok, but YAOLT (Yet Another One Last Thing): can you guide me how to learn more about this internals of Debian? I like to help the community which has helped me so much
16:26<shanks>or is it an ACPI thing maybe?
16:27<babilen>ako: Hmm, sure. But what do you mean exactly? Learning about Debian and how to use it in general? Do you want to contribute to Debian? Both?
16:27<ako>babilen: contribute to Debian. I have a bachelor's degree in Software Engineering, but I know little about Linux
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16:28<ako>I like to dive deep and learn and help others
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16:29<babilen>ako: A good think to do is to stay here and help people whenever you can. You might want to read the debian reference (/msg dpkg reference) and a good book about Debian ( -- If you want to contribute I would recommend to read and
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16:30<shanks>babilen: isn't that Debian System mainly useful for developers?
16:30<babilen>ako: If you are interested in packaging, read: + +
16:30<ako>babilen: cool
16:30<ako>thank you so much
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16:31<FlamingToe>Hello everyone. i currently use a program named Servers Alive. It verifies if servers are up through a number of different checks(it can check M$ serveices / if its getting a certain page) I'm sure there is something like this in the *nix world. Just don't know the name of this service type. Does any one have suggestions on this?
16:32<babilen>ako: Another great thing to do is to help to triage and fix bugs. I would recommend to find an area/package you want to contribute to. You don't necessarily have to maintain your own new package, but you can also become a member of one of Debian's teams - - It is very appreciated if you fix bugs and come up with patches.
16:32<babilen>ako: Have fun and enjoy!
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16:32<valdyn>FlamingToe: nagios, icinga
16:32<shanks>FlamingToe: SNMP?
16:33<ako>babilen: I try to dive in as deep as I can, thanks again
16:33<shanks>valdyn: I heard nagios is quite horrific to configure. don't know if that's still true
16:33<FlamingToe>shanks: interesting we are currently running zabbix as a monitoring service.
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16:33<valdyn>shanks: i dont know, but icinga was developed because nagios is so horrific to configure
16:33<valdyn>shanks: and it can use the nagios plugins
16:33<shanks>valdyn: very useful. will bear that in mind
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16:34<FlamingToe>I have experienced setting up zabbix. Which isn't that bad but the install guide kinda assumes you've had exp with zabbix.
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16:34<shanks>FlamingToe: zabbix is quite good. should do everything you need. if you're already using that then carry on.. :)
16:35<shanks>babilen: I installed that debian reference. where does it put the docs?
16:35<valdyn>shanks: /usr/share/doc/
16:35<babilen>shanks: /usr/share/doc/debian-reference/*
16:35<FlamingToe>shanks: yeah like i said we use it to generate usage reports etc. I was looking for non work stuff.
16:35<shanks>babilen, valdyn thanks :)
16:35<babilen>shanks: if in doubt "dpkg -L PKG"
16:35<FlamingToe>btw channel is very active today.
16:36<babilen>FlamingToe: Caturday
16:36<shanks>FlamingToe: it can do usuage reports. shows graphs of load etc
16:36<shanks>FlamingToe: very useful for then writing accurate scripts that monitor things like load average as you then have a better idea of what average load actually is
16:36<FlamingToe>babilen: its home coming at U of A(wildcats) so Caturday is slightly over used here haha
16:36<shanks>babilen: noted. though in this case I have a chicken and egg problem. what i need to know is in the darn manual ;-)
16:37<babilen>shanks: Well, there is always the Interactive-Friendly-Google-Frontend (i.e. IRC)
16:37<shanks>babilen: i mean. i'll probably only find out that i need dpkg -L PKG by reading the manual, and to install the manual i need to know where it is (dpkg -L). yeah, good job i have you guys :)
16:38<FlamingToe>shanks: Yeah I'll have to look @ what other people are doing with their implementations.
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16:38<babilen>shanks: You might also like doc-central -- Install it and you can browse/search installed documentation in your locally running webserver.
16:38<shanks>FlamingToe: one thing I don't like about Zabbix is that it has lots (and i mean LOTS) of half open or TIME_WAIT connections that you can see in netstat
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16:39<babilen>shanks: But all documentation for a given package can be found in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE
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16:39<FlamingToe>shanks: Yeah i have noticed that. It also has some memory leaks that cause it to grab upwards of 2 gigs of memory while doing very little
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16:40<shanks>babilen: and those docs are in html (not looked in there yet , been too busy chatting!) ?
16:40<babilen>shanks: Some are, but not all of them (or even the majority)
16:42<shanks>did anyone see my earlier question about MP3? I've got the MP3 libraries now and can play MP3s fine BUT can't rip to MP3. won't show up in any GNOME app though in the GNOME Audio Profile I can see it listed. Do I somehow need to 'refresh' the list ?
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16:42<valdyn>shanks: you need lame, thats in dmm
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16:42<shanks>valdyn: got lame. got it from dmm
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16:42<shanks>valdyn: folloed the guide on
16:43<babilen>Don't you also need some gstreamer-*-lame-* something to be able to use it in Gnome?
16:43<shanks>babilen: got that too..
16:43<valdyn>shanks: got what exactly?
16:43<FlamingToe>heading home now guys. Thanks for the advice. I'll install zabbix on home box tonight!
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16:44<shanks>valdyn: hang on and I'll jsut take a look
16:44<shanks>I did: aptitude install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 ffmpeg sox twolame vorbis-tools lame faad
16:45<valdyn>shanks: on which debian release is this?
16:45<shanks>valdyn: current stable
16:45<valdyn>shanks: you need gstreamer0.10-lame
16:46<valdyn>shanks: the fluendo thing is only a decoder
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16:46<babilen>I should have learned by now that foo-bar-*-something is not precise enough. (even though shank's packages did not match that glob)
16:46<shanks>awwww... you guys are brill! it works :)
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16:47<shanks>babilen: to be honest I knew I'd installed gstreamer0.10-something but it's obvisouly a different one. sorry :)
16:47<babilen>shanks: happy ripping
16:47<shanks>valdyn: why doesn't it say decoder instead of fluendo! grr. thanks tho :P
16:48<Aquarius>i fixed the sound.
16:48<babilen> |
16:48<shanks>now you chaps may know the answer to this. apparently, or so the wikipedia page says, PulseAudio has AirPlay support. Can't find any docs on it ANYWHERE. does anyone know if it's possible and it it's transmit, send, or both?
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16:49<babilen>never heard of that
16:49<babilen>What would you like to do?
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16:49<valdyn>shanks: its probably both and the usual protocol of pa
16:50<shanks>babilen: I did a google on Linux AirPlay. Could only find reference to some Python add-on for Totem which is available in a git repo only. Got that installed but it didn't work. The only other reference on the net to Linux + AirPlay was in the PulseAudio article on Wikipedia
16:50<babilen>airplay the proprietary something of apple?
16:50<shanks>valdyn: would be very nice to get that working. then I can ditch my Mac completely and go fully Debian
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16:52<valdyn>shanks: apt-get install pulseaudio-module-raop
16:52<babilen>shanks: Hmm, #pulseaudio on might know more -- I've never played with that. -- Don't you rather want to package something or configure a firewall or so?
16:52<babilen>,info pulseaudio-module-raop
16:52<judd>Package pulseaudio-module-raop (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: RAOP module for PulseAudio sound server. Version: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; Size: 169.5k; Installed: 260k; Homepage:
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16:52<shanks>babilen: what would I like to do? Erm, well I have an AirPort Express and an Apple TV and I'd like to be able to stream from Linux to teh Apple TV for video and teh Airport express for audio. Linux streaming
16:53<shanks>will apt-get that package - thanks.
16:53<valdyn>shanks: its probably just the sink
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16:54*babilen recommends #pulseaudio
16:54<shanks>valdyn: pardon?
16:54<valdyn>shanks: err, reverse that. Its probably still just the recieving side
16:54<shanks>babilen: I do like PulseAudio :)
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16:54<valdyn>shanks: "sink" is what pa calls the destination pa sends sound to
16:55<babilen>shanks: I mean the IRC channel -- They most likely have much more experience with these kind of problems.
16:55<valdyn>shanks: thats usually the sound card
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16:55<valdyn>shanks: but that raop module seems to be the recieving end. So you can probably play the sound on your debian machine but not send sound elsewhere via airplay
16:55<Black_Prince>What's wrong with pulseaudio?
16:55<shanks>there is a #pulseaudio! no way! cool, well will go there. Need to go raed the Debian reference right now
16:56<shanks>bit of light bedtime reading
16:56<Aquarius>PulseAudio is disturbing.
16:56<Black_Prince>Not for computers that can't play sound from several sources at once.
16:56<valdyn>Black_Prince: not much is wrong, but some people distrust it
16:56<Aquarius>actually you can setup your system with only ALSA... BUT... you must know how to do it. Either you're lucky and you set it up by chance or... bummer.
16:56<valdyn>Black_Prince: same as any new tech, debian users in particular are conservative
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16:57<Black_Prince>Yeah, they think it will throw your computer into black hole or whatever ...
16:57<Black_Prince>OMG, dude this is zoo unstable ... you should not use it!
16:57<Black_Prince>Dammit, it is my computer and I will install what I want on it!!! (same stuff with contrib and non-free) grrrr
16:57<shanks>pulseaudio allows me to watch True Blood over HDMI on my large LCD TV. So I'm a fan.
16:59<shanks>valdyn: from apt-cache show : This module enables PulseAudio to stream audio to an Apple Airport Express. (yay?)
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16:59<valdyn>shanks: probably, I don't know much just read the first post i found
16:59<Black_Prince>I have pulseaudio-module-raop and it unlocked second option on first tab of paprefs ...
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16:59<shanks>valdyn: I'll go play but it looks good. thanks a lot.
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17:00<shanks>Black_Prince: paprets not pacvcontrol ?
17:00<Black_Prince>paprefs ...
17:00<Black_Prince>shanks, this one
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17:01<shanks>Black_Prince: where do I find that or is it another package?
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17:01<Black_Prince>paprefs package :-|
17:01<Black_Prince>judd, info paprefs
17:01<judd>Package paprefs (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: PulseAudio Preferences. Version: 0.9.9-2; Size: 65.3k; Installed: 652k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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17:01<shanks>installing right now. You know Debian has everything you just need to know where the heck it is! :)
17:02<Black_Prince>Nice program, no need to tweak any config files.
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17:04<shanks>Black_Prince: ok i'm there now. however this will allow me to stream TO my Linux box right? not FROM it?
17:04<Black_Prince>You want to stream sound from another box to pulseaudio on other one?
17:05<shanks>Black_Prince: my ideal, it it's at all possible, is to be able to stream music and video FROM my linux box to my AirPlay devices in the house.
17:05<shanks>(but being able to recieve stuff over AirPlay is still cool, though not as useful).
17:05<Black_Prince>I don't have any airplay devices ... So I am unable to tell ...
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17:06<shanks>hah:) ok
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17:06<Black_Prince>I know it is able to play sound from one linux box on another using pulseaudio
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17:08<Black_Prince>shanks, not sure if this is what you want, but have a look at this
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17:15<Nazcafan>any guys running unstable, around?
17:16<dpkg>Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
17:16<shanks>Black_Prince: it looks like precisely what I'm looking for though it hasn't worked. do you need to do anything once you've changed a setting in paprefs? like restart pulseaudio or something?
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17:16<retro|blah>Nazcafan: Try #debian-next
17:16<Nazcafan>I see that gnome3 is about to hit testing and I would like to know your opinions on it before upgrading my system
17:16<Black_Prince>shanks, no ... It reloads itself if I am right ...
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17:17<Black_Prince>Just don't start gnome3 is bad war because you don't like it.
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17:21<leo_>Hi, I tried to run a program and get this message on terminal: leonardo@debian:~$ '/home/leonardo/Desktop/electrum/electrum'
17:21<leo_>Traceback (most recent call last):
17:21<leo_> File "<string>", line 6, in <module>
17:21<leo_> File "", line 128, in <module>
17:21<leo_> File "", line 588, in <module>
17:21<leo_> File "", line 23, in <module>
17:21<leo_> File "gtk/", line 40, in <module>
17:21<leo_> File "gtk/", line 14, in <module>
17:22<leo_>ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ undefined symbol: g_simple_async_result_take_error
17:22<tale>leo_: Use pastebin.
17:22<leo_>How to fix it?
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17:22<leo_>tale: ok wait
17:22<shanks>Black_Prince: thanks for your help. i'm going to run off and see if i can get it working. looks possible, or at least it looks like it WAS possible. maybe Apple changed something to block it
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17:22<leo_>tale: here is pastebin:
17:22<tale>leo_: What program is that and where did you get it from?
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17:23<leo_>tale: I'm still here
17:24<leo_>Anyone know how to fix this problem:
17:24<tale>leo_: What program is that and where did you get it from?
17:24<leo_>I'll show you the link
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17:25<leo_>tale: I asked the developer but he didn't know what cause the problem
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17:27<valdyn>leo_: the developer of python code isnt responsible for this issue
17:27<Black_Prince>judd, versions libglib-2.0-0
17:27<judd>No package named 'libglib-2.0-0' was found in i386.
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17:27<Black_Prince>judd, versions libglib2.0-0
17:27<judd>Package: libglib2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; wheezy: 2.28.6-1; sid: 2.28.8-1; experimental: 2.30.1-2
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17:28<Black_Prince>That symbol is comming from glib. Either, gdk-pixbuf needs to be recompiled or whatever.
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17:28<leo_>As I'm newbie. It's a debian bug? how to fix it?
17:29<leo_>or a program bug?
17:29<leo_>I'm using debian 64 wheezy
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17:30<Black_Prince>judd, versions libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
17:30<judd>Package: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 on i386 -- sid: 2.24.0-1; wheezy: 2.24.0-1
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17:32<valdyn>leo_: i would say you need to import libgio first, but then again i dont know python
17:32<shanks>has Black_Prince gone?
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17:33<leo_>valdyn: didn't understand
17:33<shanks>just wanted to tell him after restarting pulseaudio the AirPlay thing is ...... WORKING :)
17:33<valdyn>leo_: ask the developer
17:33<Black_Prince>dpkg, congratulate shanks
17:33<dpkg>Yay shanks, you did it!
17:33<shanks>Black_Prince: :))))
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17:34<shanks>Black_Prince: time to go watch soem movies. yay Debian.
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17:34<Guest15932>anybody know anything about the realtek id 270 codec issue ?
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17:34<valdyn>leo_: you need to understand python and the linux shared library system to fix this. I dont know python
17:34<leo_>valdyn: what should I ask to the program developer?
17:35<Black_Prince>ask him to make that program work?
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17:35<valdyn>leo_: first paste the output of "ldd /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/"
17:36<leo_>I already asked this
17:36<leo_>valdyn: wait
17:36<Black_Prince>And don't post that into channel ... Use pastebin
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17:37<valdyn>leo_: show him what you showed us and tell him that the missing symbol is in that libgio
17:38<valdyn>leo_: if he cant fix it then, tough luck, i dont know python. I can see that its appearantly not using ld as I just did but probably its own library loader
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17:38<Black_Prince>In libgio >> 2.27.x ...
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17:39<valdyn>leo_: "grep g_simple_async_result_take_error /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/" should show a hit
17:39<leo_>will add this command
17:40<valdyn>Black_Prince: how do you know?
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17:42<valdyn>leo_: ok, that explains that, your libgio appears to be missing
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17:42<leo_>valdyn: why? how to install it?
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17:42<valdyn>leo_: but my spanish sucks, if thats even spanish
17:42<leo_>no, it's portuguese
17:43<leo_>file or direcotory not found
17:43<valdyn>leo_: which debian release are you on again?
17:43<leo_>debian wheezy 64
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17:43<valdyn>leo_: try "apt-get install --reinstall libglib2.0-0"
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17:44<leo_>ok, will try
17:45<valdyn>leo_: that file is in /usr/lib/
17:46<leo_>valdyn: reinstalled. Tried to run the program
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17:46<leo_>same error
17:46<leo_>will see if the file is on the directory
17:46<valdyn>leo_: yea, but run the grep again, with the file /usr/lib/
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17:46<valdyn>leo_: im not on wheezy so gave you the wrong path
17:46<leo_>please, the command is?
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17:47<leo_>the exactly command
17:47<valdyn>leo_: "grep g_simple_async_result_take_error /usr/lib/"
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17:48<valdyn>leo_: looks fine
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17:49<valdyn>leo_: theres a transition going on in debian where those libraries are moved to the x86... path
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17:50<valdyn>leo_: i cant tell what python is doing, takeing a wild guess its that it might not find that library being in a different path, but then again that could be nonsense
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17:50<leo_>valdyn: the file is on /usr/lib/ and a symbol link
17:50<leo_>as a symbol link
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17:51<valdyn>leo_: yes
17:52<leo_>valdyn: so no solution?
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18:00<wRz>Hi all
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18:06<Black_Prince>leo_, that program works here ... it is a simple python script or whatever ...
18:06<Black_Prince>(just note I didn't download precompiled source)
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18:46<zerothis>where can I go to chat about cwiid/wminput/wiican?
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18:54<iuriguilherme>AAW, just enabled sid main contrib non-free and did an apt-get update upgrade
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18:54<iuriguilherme>result: no sound
18:55<Arpuus>Can anybody tell me how many letters GnuPG allow or where i can read more about it ?
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18:55<iuriguilherme>alsamixergui looks ok, maybe some package screwed something up
18:56<cmr>Arpuus: What do you mean by letters?
18:56<Arpuus>iuriguilherme > is it just a test box ?
18:56<Arpuus>cmr > charracters, can just newer spell it right
18:56<iuriguilherme>Arpuus: no it is a production box, not sure why i enabled the unstable repositories
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18:57<iuriguilherme>Arpuus: if i left only the squeeze repository the packages will be uninstalled? or i have to do it manually using my synaptic history?
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18:58<iuriguilherme>well, nevermind, i can answer that trying that here
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18:59<Arpuus>No the packages will not be uninstalled if you remove testing in sources.list
18:59<cmr>Arpuus: Characters where?
19:00<cmr>In the encrypted message?
19:00<Arpuus>Well, leason learnt dont do testing on a live box
19:00<Arpuus>cmr > in the pw
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19:00<cmr>Arpuus: There is no limit.
19:00<devil>iuriguilherme: sid likes dist-upgrades, not upgrades
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19:01<Arpuus>cmr. Lol lets test that
19:01<babilen>iuriguilherme: Depending on the number of packages you installed from sid and which packages exactly you might not be able to downgrade to squeeze again. Restoring the system from your backups is probably the easiest and fastest way. That being said: You should at least make sure that you run a completely up-to-date sid system. So, a "apt-get dist-upgrade" is most likely needed.
19:02<cmr>Arpuus: I lied, the limit is just under 2 exabytes for sha1
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19:03<cmr>Given that you're running on a computer with finite memory, it probably has to fit in there too.
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19:04<Arpuus>cmr > using RSA and DSA
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19:06<cmr>Arpuus: Why would you want a passphrase longer than about 20ish characters anyway? That's a hassle to type.
19:06<iuriguilherme>babilen: i was running squeeze until yesterday, i put all sid repositories, did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. since i dont backup often, i will remove sid from sources.list, apt-get remove all that were installed after i did that, empty the cache, and reinstall what is needed. that will download around 1GB, but thats not a problem (only problem is that my torrent leechers will remain the saturday night pinging me without sucess)
19:06<Arpuus>Seems like dotdeb got tired of waiting for sid to contain mysql-server-5.5. Mmm
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19:07<Arpuus>cmr > np my apps allow paste
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19:08<iuriguilherme>JUST FOUND THE SHIFT BUTTON
19:08<babilen>iuriguilherme: That might not be possible as you might not be able to downgrade everything. Could you remove sid from your sources.list and run:
19:08<babilen>!not available
19:08<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
19:08<cmr>Arpuus: Saving your keyphrase to disk kinda defeats the purpose, no?
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19:09<iuriguilherme>babilen: but i can purge everything
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19:10<babilen>iuriguilherme: You might not be able to purge *all* packages as doing so would render your system unusable. Please remove sid from your sources.list and run "aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'"
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19:11<Arpuus>cmr > im not saving the pw to any of my own disk, parts of it are places around the net on public sites i know will be up for years.and i always add a few letters to the pw i have to remove by memoery at use.
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19:52<iuriguilherme>babilen: actually my system is very minimal. usually after boot it drops on tty1 and the basic openbox only comes when i startx
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19:53<babilen>iuriguilherme: I am talking about packages such as libc6, apt, base-files, ...
19:53<iuriguilherme>babilen: and every app i use saves configuration in my $HOME so i will not lose anything
19:54<iuriguilherme>babilen: i am aware of that but apt is not smart enough to find dependencies when i use apt-get install?
19:54<iuriguilherme>babilen: and i will not purge everything, just what sid installed
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19:55<babilen>iuriguilherme: Just decide what you want to run. All I am saying is that you can most likely not downgrade back to squeeze from sid. (s/most likely//) -- If you decide to run sid, do it right. Read and make sure that you are up-to-date
19:55<babilen>iuriguilherme: I already said you might not be able to purge all packages as that would render your system unusable. If you want to pursue this further do what I suggested earlier.
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19:57<iuriguilherme>babilen: i was thinking about using a bootable usb drive to do that
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19:57<iuriguilherme>babilen: mounting the system on /target and doing all that in a shell
19:58<iuriguilherme>babilen: so it doesnt really matter if the system gets unusable
19:58<babilen>iuriguilherme: You can *not* downgrade every package.
19:58<babilen>iuriguilherme: But well, try it.
19:59<ml|>good luck, don't waste your time tho, just reinstall stable if that is what you want
20:00<iuriguilherme>babilen: i see, well if the sound gets working again without me spending a day fixing it it will be enough, because debian can do what i said without my intervention
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20:00<babilen>iuriguilherme: Ok, to drop the british understatement. s/might// s/could// and all that. → "Depending on the number and nature of the packages you installed from sid you will not be able to downgrade your system to squeeze."
20:01<themill>I'm yet to see someone successfully downgrade from a multi-arch libc to a non-multiarch one.
20:01<iuriguilherme>ml|: yes, i could reinstall and resotre the home and the apt-cache dir, that could be done without intervention too
20:01<weasel>the upgrade path to wheezy will be .. interesting
20:01<weasel>especially partial upgrades
20:02<iuriguilherme>well i installed squeeze from a 50mb iso, and installed lxde-core aftewards
20:03<iuriguilherme>there should be less than a thousand libs to deal with
20:05<babilen>iuriguilherme: I told you what would be needed to investigate this further. If you are so adamant about trying this yourself then do it. It will not work if you installed some of the more important packages a Debian system is comprised of.
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20:05<mib_ekq3ks>I have a problem installing Debian
20:05<mib_ekq3ks>When I installed netinst on my VM and mounted of the disk it wont start
20:06<mib_ekq3ks>just a black window
20:06<mib_ekq3ks>Cant type anything...
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20:07<mib_ekq3ks>Nobody can help me?
20:07<iuriguilherme>babilen: Thanks for the tips! Maybe i will try that and will post here what happens
20:08<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: maybe a problem with your VM?
20:08<babilen>iuriguilherme: Try what?
20:08<iuriguilherme>babilen: Waht you suggested
20:08<iuriguilherme>babilen: I will try what I said anyway, but will try that you said too
20:08<babilen>iuriguilherme: I am not sure what you think what I suggested actually is :-/
20:08<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: Should a install it on my PC?
20:08<iuriguilherme>babilen: To use aptitude
20:09<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: Well, if you are installing in a VM I can think that you are doing that inside of Windows
20:09<babilen>iuriguilherme: Well .... I wanted to investigate *which* packages *exactly* are installed from sid. But, frankly, I somehow lost interest in continuing this.
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20:10<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: Maybe you should read some documentation on debian, especially the basics, so you won't have to go back to your previouus OS after installing Debian on your physical drive.
20:10<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: My VM is VirtualBox and my OS is Windows7, should I instead install Debian 6 netinst amd64 on the whole HDD?
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20:10<iuriguilherme>babilen: I could pastebin my synaptic history if you want
20:11<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: I really dont want to install Win7 again...
20:11<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: You can install both systems, but you would have to study MBR, GRUB and partioning
20:11<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: And there is the possibility of resizing the NTFS partition of W7, but i do not reccomend this
20:12<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: I know about dualbootning, I have two HDD (One for gaming) and others for Linux
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20:13<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: cool, then i suggest you install Debian the old fashioned way instead of using VM
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20:14<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: Yes sir!
20:14<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: I believe VMs are intended to test compatibilty and development of multi plataform apps
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20:15<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: But that is how i use them
20:16<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: How is flash with Debian? My flash player crashes on Win7 ALOT!
20:16<majora>Anyone ever have iceweasel not connect at all upon a clean installation of the OS? :/
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20:18<iuriguilherme>majora: I would say your problem is not related to Iceweasel
20:19<iuriguilherme>majora: Have you tried ping?
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20:19<majora>my internet is fine
20:19<Aquarius>can anyone tell me how do i open rar files in Debian?
20:19<majora>chromium can connect
20:19<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: It depends. What crashes your flash?
20:19<majora>Aquarius: do they have 7zip for debian. get that.
20:19<Aquarius>hm.. ok, thanks
20:19<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: Youtube, Poker
20:20<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: Youtube works fine here
20:20<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: I'm using the alpha 11
20:20<majora>iuriguilherme: iceweasel can't connect. chromium can though. and my internet overall seems to be fine. another program (Dropbox) complains about an http_proxy environment variable or something.
20:20<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: One more question, you using Wine?
20:21<iuriguilherme>Aquarius: There is unrar-free, unrar, rar, p7zip-rar
20:21<Aquarius>ok, thanks...
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20:22<iuriguilherme>majora: Probably you set the proxy when you were installing
20:22<iuriguilherme>majora: I did that accidentally once when i hit enter to disable the proxy, i accidentally hit the key next to enter
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20:23<majora>iuriguilherme: oh. how do I change it then. :s
20:24<mib_ekq3ks> iuriguilherme: You using Wine? :)
20:26<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: I use Wine to play win32 games
20:26<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: That means I don't use Wine for a long time now
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20:26<iuriguilherme>majora: I forgot which file is, I am looking here in my history
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20:27<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: You wondering, I play alot of Poker. How smooth will it full if I run .exe program
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20:28<Aquarius>is it any better to use VirtualBox instead of Wine?
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20:28<Aquarius>cause by me wine works pretty much cheesy..
20:29<mib_ekq3ks>Squarius: Last version?
20:29<cmr>Emulating windows is guaranteed to work, but will be slow.
20:29<mib_ekq3ks>cmr: So if I play poker will that effect me?
20:29<iuriguilherme>majora: My bash history says i used this command: unset http_proxy
20:29<mib_ekq3ks>I have a good PC due
20:29<cmr>mib_ekq3ks: Try and see for yourself.
20:29<cmr>I can't tell you.
20:30<mib_ekq3ks>cmr: I will :)
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20:30<cmr>Wine works Ok, but what doesn't work, doesn't work.
20:30<Aquarius>i think Wine works a bit less than ok
20:30<Aquarius>you can never know how it acts.
20:30<majora>iuriguilherme: thank you, will try that
20:31<Aquarius>as i said, by me it never works normally with ANY game whatsoever.
20:31<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: Some apps work faster in Wine that Windows, some work faster on native Windows.
20:31<Aquarius>a few glitches at the very least, but mostly often just doesn't work at all.
20:32<iuriguilherme>I always managed to get every .exe to work on Wine
20:32<Aquarius>if you're on Ubuntu then no wonder.
20:32<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: I will try it, but dont your FPS get down alot?
20:32<iuriguilherme>But I haven't needed to run many, so I can tell if everything works on Wine
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20:32<Aquarius>but i tried several things, and none of them worked normally.
20:32<cmr>Aquarius: Most apps need manual fiddling, but it's documented on the appdb when they do.
20:32<mib_ekq3ks>You sayied that you are gaming in Wine
20:32<Aquarius>for example....
20:33<majora>iuriguilherme: it didn't work. I open the terminal and type that in but nothing happens. the terminal just makes a new line.
20:33<Aquarius>Resident Evil 2... Fighting Force... or just Neo-Geo emulator... everything either crashes at once or just run incorrectly with distortions and other troubles.
20:33<cmr>Aquarius: All of them heavily graphical, no?
20:33<iuriguilherme>majora: maybe it worked
20:33<iuriguilherme>majora: that command has no output
20:33<majora>iuriguilherme: iceweasel can't find any pages
20:33<majora>or load them, rather
20:33<Aquarius>cmr, well... Resident Evil 2 MAY be heavily graphical, but common... it's yet as old as mammoth's shit
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20:34<iuriguilherme>majora: try to run apt-get update
20:34<cmr>Aquarius: Even old stuff relies on apis that wine hasn't gotten to yet.
20:34<Aquarius>what else can i run in Wine? DOS games? :) I have DOSBox for that, and damn it works million times better than Wine
20:34<iuriguilherme>majora: if it doesn't work the problem is the proxy, otherwise it is really iceweasel
20:34<cmr>Windows is *huge*, in case you haven't noticed, and they need to implement everything.
20:35<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: I used to run things like Gravity Wheel, Vortex, and other Win95 games
20:35<iuriguilherme>mib_ekq3ks: I never used Wine to run COD, FO, GTA, etc.
20:35<Aquarius>i did, i'm just saying all this because i don't understand the excitement about Wine. It works 50/50. Meaning, compatibility is highly questionable.
20:35<mib_ekq3ks>iuriguilherme: Well, thesse games are old so you wont drop much FPS
20:36<cmr>Aquarius: I'm excited because it works at all and continues to get better.
20:36<cybersphinx_>mib_ekq3ks: Poker just for fun, or real money with lots of tables and hud?
20:36<majora>iuriguilherme: nope ;_;
20:36<Aquarius>cmr, tell me what you're using? Debian or Ubuntu? Because there is a difference
20:36<Aquarius>well tell me, what do you get to work on Wine? Any examples?
20:36<iuriguilherme>I suspect it is better to rip dlls from the Windows CD itself than trying to build everything manually.
20:36<aeb>I used to run Half Life 2 (and Team Fortress 2 I think) in Wine
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20:36<mib_ekq3ks>cybersphinx: Both, freerolls and moneyt :)
20:36<iuriguilherme>majora: apt-get update did not worked?
20:37<mib_ekq3ks>aeb: CS 1.6 works fine?
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20:37<majora>iuriguilherme: I just saw a large list being created.
20:37<cmr>The only which I use with any frequency is internet explorer... 6 I think.
20:37<wompa>I didn't get TF2 to run with Wine, but maybe I should try it with Nvidia drivers instead of Noeuveu?
20:37<Aquarius>i dunno.. i'd rather try VirtualBox... no matter if it's consuming, maybe it shows me more than Wine which is only glitchy..
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20:37<majora>but iceweasel continues to not be able to connect
20:37<cybersphinx_>mib_ekq3ks: You can try wine for that, but some time ago it didn't work well. kvm with real windows in it was way better.
20:37<Aquarius>maybe it's hardware dependant too, i dunno
20:37<iuriguilherme>majora: Yes, but it said there was an error?
20:37<majora>iuriguilherme: the command did not give any errors
20:38<iuriguilherme>majora: like it could not find the addresses?
20:38<aeb>mib_ekq3ks: I never played CS so I don't know, and I also switched to installing an actual Windows just for games…
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20:38*cybersphinx_ wouldn't trust wine with real money games.
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20:39<majora>here, iuriguilherme :
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20:40<Aquarius>common.. linux is linux and it's not obliged to run win apps good...
20:40<Aquarius>but yet why to bring up such things as Wine?
20:40<Aquarius>'cause again.. it's 50/50 efficacious... and the rest is just a bunch of glitchy crap.
20:41<Aquarius>let's say.. it's not 50/50.. it's just 50%
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20:41<Aquarius>and which game of yours gets to be in that 50% working part is a big question
20:42<cmr>And the appdb answers that question.
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20:42<mib_ekq3ks>One question people!!! = How is 6870 AMD drivers with Linux?
20:42<iuriguilherme>Well I don't use much Wine because I believe porting Windows to UNIX is kinda pointless, for example I think Warmux is way better than Worms, and there is no Windows sudoku generator better than any in Linux.
20:42<aeb>yeah, I installed Windows just so I'd have those things just work rather than maybe, maybe not… but rebooting just to play games is a pain
20:43<cmr>Aquarius: And some people have ethical issues or whatever with using non-free software
20:43<iuriguilherme>So for me there is nothing that I must use that i HAVE to use in Windows
20:44<iuriguilherme>majora: What is the error you get in Iceweasel?
20:44<Aquarius>same here. Almost.
20:44<Aquarius>at least i don't play modern games. But i MAY fool around a bit with old but yet win based games... or emulators.
20:45<Aquarius>and no.. NO! I can't do it. 'cause of bloody Wine. I wish there was no Wine at all.
20:45*Black_Prince uses play station or snes emulators when he wants to play games
20:45<Black_Prince>What would you drink then? Beer? ...
20:45<majora>iuriguilherme: Server not found Iceweasel can't find the server at
20:45<iuriguilherme>Aquarius: That's the point. The only modern game that I ever played after my 16 birthday was Fallout
20:45<Aquarius>heard of it, never played
20:45<Aquarius>anyways.. modern games suck badly
20:45<cmr>Aquarius: No software is perfect. Wine is still very much NOT ready.
20:45<Aquarius>i mean.. common.. there's not even much to look at.
20:46<iuriguilherme>And whenever I want to play it i have an old hd with W98, WXP and @7
20:46<mib_ekq3ks>How is 6870 AMD drivers with Linux?
20:46<iuriguilherme>majora: You need to be more specific
20:46<aeb>at least Wine gets the credit for getting me back into gaming
20:46<iuriguilherme>majora: Normally it gives you an error code, 404 for example
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20:47<majora>there is no error code
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20:47<iuriguilherme>Aquarius: But since I work too much I don't have time to play these things
20:47<iuriguilherme>Aquarius: last time I played was when Fallout 3 came out
20:47<majora>it just tells me it can't find the server :P perhaps a DNS issue but the fact is that chromium can browse the net just fine but iceweasel can't do anything.
20:48<majora>iuriguilherme: brb
20:48<iuriguilherme>majora: no details?
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20:48<iuriguilherme>maybe his iceweasel settings are messed
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20:49<iuriguilherme>majora: so?
20:49<majora>iuriguilherme: no numerical error codes. iceweasel acts as if I had no internet connection at all.
20:50<iuriguilherme>majora: well then it must be an iceweasel setting
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20:51<iuriguilherme>majora: try edit> preferences > advanced > network > configure connection > no proxy
20:51<iuriguilherme>majora: I'm not sure if that's the proper translation, my Iceweasel is in portuguese
20:52<majora>iuriguilherme: it's correct. I just did it and nothing. then again I can maybe see about an iceweasel IRC channel. xD if there's one on this server.
20:53<iuriguilherme>majora: Iceweasel is Firefox actually.
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20:53<iuriguilherme>majora: why you are running as root?
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20:54<majora>I used the terminal for something else that needed root
20:54<iuriguilherme>majora: Have you tried a normal user to see if Icceweasel works?
20:54<iuriguilherme>majora: oh ok
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20:59<iuriguilherme>majora: There is a file /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
21:00<majora>got it
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21:07<majora>iuriguilherme: there's only ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" in that file.
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21:47<jcress>apt installs the 686-pae kernel automatically, but this laptop only has 3gb ram, and booting to the pae kernel, gnome fails to load... how can i tell apt to stop installing it?
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21:51<dvs>jcress: Is this an initial install?
21:52<jcress>dvs: nope
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21:53<dvs>jcress: Then i'm guessing that the linux-image-686 package is installed
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21:53<dvs>or linux-image-2.6-686 package
21:53<jcress>dvs: i just removed it
21:53<dvs>jcress: Then install the linux-image-486 package
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21:55<babilen>jcress: And it works with another kernel? Which? -- /me wonders what might cause this and it would certainly be a bug if -pae kernels would render some hardware unable to run a DE
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21:55<jcress>babilen: when i boot to 486, everything works. when i boot to 686-pae, it does not
21:55<babilen>-486 shouldn't be necessary (unless you *do* have an 486 processor, but then Debian won't work anyway)
21:56<babilen>dvs: Software is compiled for 586
21:57<amitz>486 as in 80486.
21:57<babilen>jcress: That should be more closely investigated. I would recommend to either come back or file a bug. /me is too tired to investigate this now, but it should.
21:57<babilen>amitz: indeed
21:57<jcress>babilen: its probably just nvidia drivers
21:58<babilen>yeah, most likely. wheezy/sid?
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21:58<babilen>try the nvidia package from sid, it has most recently been upgraded and finally fixes the trapezoid rendering performance issues -- also: We have a #debian-next channel for wheezy/sid support
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22:11<redjustice>question: i'm trying to install a second hard drive, "fdisk -1" is returning as an invalid option, what do i do?
22:11<cmr>Replace the '1' with an 'l'
22:12<cmr>And/Or use a better font
22:12<redjustice>i can't read!
22:12<redjustice>thanks cmr
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22:27<XXX_NICK_XXX>etch is very far better than squeeze
22:27<XXX_NICK_XXX>squeeze sucks!
22:27<XXX_NICK_XXX>etch is the best!
22:28<kb1rma>\me ಠ_ಠ
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22:34*cybersphinx_ likes etch. In a vm.
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22:35<XXX_NICK_XXX>etch is the best anywhere
22:35<XXX_NICK_XXX>software of the Gods!
22:35<aeb>what about lenny? come on, we need to know.
22:35<XXX_NICK_XXX>lenny sucks
22:36<cybersphinx_>On recent real hardware nothing but unstable.
22:36<XXX_NICK_XXX>worse than winshit
22:36<daemonkeeper>Don't feed the trolls ..
22:36<XXX_NICK_XXX>lenny sucks everywhere
22:36<daemonkeeper>Do you have a question?
22:37<XXX_NICK_XXX>not really, just needed to spread the word
22:37<daemonkeeper>Thanks. We noticed.
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22:40<darkztk>i'm new user of Linux, and i can't play mp3 file in Debian. I've installed debian-multimedia repo, but the LXMusic when i click to play the program close
22:40<XXX_NICK_XXX>using astsd?
22:40<darkztk>i dunno
22:41<darkztk>i have alsa install
22:41<XXX_NICK_XXX>dont know much about alsa, never could get it to work
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22:45<XXX_NICK_XXX>try toss
22:47<amitz>darkztk: i use mplayer or vlc.
22:48<darkztk>tried to play with "aplay" the system give me a message: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
22:48<darkztk>aplay: main:654: audio open error: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
22:48<darkztk>aplay: main:654: audio open error: file or directory not found
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22:51<wompa>darkztk, the debian multimedia repo won't do much good for playing mp3s until you have actually installed some mp3-library.
22:52<scraze>wompa: if it errors on snd_pcm_dmix_open, doesn't it mean either alsa or the soundcard driver is not properly installed?
22:52<darkztk>wompa, i've installed lame
22:52<iuriguilherme>darkztk: try gstreamer
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22:52<wompa>scraze, no idea :(
22:53<wompa>darkztk, I'm not sure, but I thought Lame was purely a mp3 encoder
22:53<darkztk>the strange is, when i use alsamixer to config my vol, i can choose between my USB Camera and my Soundcard
22:54<iuriguilherme>Lame Ain't MP3 Encoder
22:55<scraze>darkztk: could you execute this as root: wget -O /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; chmod 700 /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; alsa-info
22:55<wompa>darkztk, yes it sounds a bit strange, unless your camera also has a speaker
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22:55<wompa>(or mic perhaps, which would make some sense)
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22:58<darkztk>wompa wait a sec, i will put the terminal results in a paste =D
22:58<wompa>well, it's scraze who would like it :)
22:59<scraze>oh yes, i just can't wait
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23:01<scraze>woah, something went terribly wrong there
23:01<darkztk>my system is pt-br so i translate part of message
23:01<scraze>looks like /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info now contains the output of wget
23:02<scraze>are you sure you copied the wget command literally ?
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23:02<scraze>notably, the -O option needs to be with an uppercase O
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23:03<darkztk>i entered downcase ¬¬, let me try again
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23:05<scraze>it should show the output after the question "Automatically upload ALSA information to [y/N]" if you hit enter /press N, or give you an URL if you press Y
23:05<scraze>the relevant output*
23:06<scraze>and it should show in a ncurses dialog ..
23:07<darkztk>it's a huge txt file
23:07<scraze>yes, that's it
23:07<scraze>the auto-upload function is fine though
23:09<darkztk>ok, i guess i will put in Docs to you read the file
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23:09<scraze>the auto-upload function is a kind of pastebin, it should be the easiest
23:10<scraze>if you call it as alsa-info --pastebin then it will even upload to pastebin instead of alsa-project (although for us the difference is not important)
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23:13<scraze>darkztk: here's a guess - since your LifeCam is card 0 (the first card to be initialized), programs may be trying to interact with it instead of card 1 (your actual soundcard) .. and I guess your LifeCam has no speakers
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23:14<darkztk>yeah, so it's possible i put the LifeCam to device 1 and my soundcard to 0?
23:16<scraze>yes, that should be a matter of two lines & files in /etc/modprobe.d
23:16<scraze>but first lets see if it really is causing the problem
23:17<scraze>there are various ways to get alsa to use the soundcard as the default card, i think this is the fastest - as root: rmmod snd-usb-audio
23:17<scraze>that's to disable the cam, i'm assuming alsa then takes card 1 as default
23:19<darkztk>i check with "#cat /proc/asound/cards"
23:19<darkztk>and show only my intel HD =P
23:19<scraze>yay - does LMthingy still crash?
23:19<darkztk>so now when i try to play the mp3 with aplay give me another error message
23:19<scraze>which one ?
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23:20<darkztk>the system don't find my card 0 :'(
23:21<scraze>ok so I was wrong about alsa choosing card 1 as default if card 0 is missing :}
23:21<scraze>then do : rmmod snd_hda_intel; modprobe snd_hda_intel
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23:21<scraze>just to reload the sound card
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23:21<scraze>now in the output of cat /proc/asound/cards it should show as card 0 instead of card 1
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23:22<darkztk>yeah, the snd_hda_intel now is the 0
23:22<darkztk>let me check the aplay again
23:23<darkztk>i have sound, when i play start a little noise but nothing about the song, maybe is a problem with codec
23:24<scraze>aplay can't handle mp3 so that could be :]
23:24<scraze>LMthingy should work then as well
23:24<darkztk>LXMusic still crash :(
23:24<scraze>oh, wow
23:25<darkztk>i will install audacious
23:25*XXX_NICK_XXX smacks lenny for having the wrong name!
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23:26<scraze>darkztk: i think we can safely assume that the card indexes were causing the problem .. normally there is a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf in which at the bottom is a line "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" , if you don't have that file or line, create it
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23:27<scraze>if you do have that file/line, there is a problem somewhere ..
23:27<darkztk>ok, the sound is good
23:27<darkztk>let me check the alsa-base.conf
23:27<scraze>actually there would be a problem if you don't have that file as well :]
23:27<scraze>actually .. if that file is not there, check if package alsa-base is installed ( dpkg -l alsa-base )
23:28<darkztk>i have the file
23:28<scraze>ok nice
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23:29<darkztk>my ears are saying thank you =D
23:29<scraze>so did you have the line "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" ?
23:30<scraze>hrm, that's problematic then .. that should make sure that the LifeCam is never card 0, but obviously it didn't work
23:30<darkztk>i need replace with "options snd_hda_intel index=-2" ?
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23:31<scraze>no, but you could add options snd_hda_intel index=0
23:31<scraze>and options snd-usb-audio index=1
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23:31<scraze>then you'll always have the intel as card 0 and LifeCam as card 1
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23:32<darkztk>ok, i make the changes =D
23:33<scraze>but the worrying thing is that the line with index=-2 doesn't seem to work, perhaps it means that modprobe.d is not being read properly and in that case it wouldn't work with index=0 either
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23:33<scraze>still you can try & see what happens on a reboot
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23:34<darkztk>scraze, i will reboot my system tomorow hehehe
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23:34<scraze>:D ok
23:34<darkztk>i'm looking for now how install flash-player ins Chromium, any website suggestion?
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23:35<scraze>magical key-combo switched screen on me!
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23:35<scraze>closed screen that is, i missed the last thing you said
23:35<scraze>btw, you can reload the LifeCam now: modprobe snd-usb-audio
23:36<darkztk>nah, i'm not using the cam, so i'm thinking about remove from my pc this cam
23:36<scraze>ha :} well if you boot without the cam connected, then the whole problem won't occur :)
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23:36<wompa>darkztk, not more than is on
23:37<darkztk>gnash is good?
23:39<wompa>You sure could try it :)
23:39<darkztk>i'm doing this right now =D
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23:49<Nudar>whois Nudar
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23:51<darkztk>wompa, the gnash package just forget to install browser-plugin-gnash :'(
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23:54<scraze>darkztk: that's because gnash doesn't depend on browser-plugin-gnash to work, even though browser-plugin-gnash does require gnash
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23:56<darkztk>my mouse pointer dissapear from screen O_o
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23:58<prgmrchris>how do people use gnash :(
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