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---Logopened Tue Dec 27 00:00:05 2011
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00:04<linkcis>gsimmons, the idea was good, however still didnt work
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00:04<mikah>so is there something i'm missing or can debian just not automount fat filesystems right
00:05<linkcis>gsimmons, I still get "No ethernet detected please pick one from the list. I tried all the athk or ath ones and all of them go straight back to the same screen.
00:05<mikah>s/fat/any non ext/
00:06<dont_hate_the_player>kenyon: i meant it as an example
00:06<dont_hate_the_player>kenyon: when i use backticks, it evals the backticks in my bash
00:06<dont_hate_the_player>not the remote servers'
00:07<kenyon>dont_hate_the_player: then do it like this, with single quotes: ssh host 'echo $(foo)'
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00:08<mutes>$() is the thing to use the output of something right?
00:08<mikah>i mean i end up having to manually mount my ntfs drive
00:08<mutes>its like piping for things that cant pipe
00:09<mutes>i was trying to do that earlier and i forgot the $
00:09<mutes>no wonder it didnt work
00:09<kenyon>mutes: no, it means substitute the output of the command
00:09<kenyon>has nothing to do with pipes
00:10<linkcis>I have a N150 Netgear usb wireless, im trying to get it to work in Debian net install, however it keeps saying "No ethernet detected". I have tried debian firmware unofficila and Kumr unofficial and Debian stable. So any ideas would be greatly appreciated
00:10<gsimmons>linkcis: You can just continue without configuring a network interface, to at least deploy the base system. Post-install, you can configure your wireless interface to connect to your network, then track testing or unstable.
00:10<linkcis>gsimmons, after the install I cant get into though
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00:11<mutes>well as far as i know
00:11<mutes>piping throws the return of something into something else
00:11<mutes>which is kinda what that does
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00:12<dont_hate_the_player>kenyon: use singlequotes instead of backticks
00:13<kenyon>dont_hate_the_player: no, just use single quotation marks around the command you want to run on the remote host. not instead of anything. just like I wrote.
00:14<mikah>Is there something i can add or install or configure that will make dolphin automount my ntfs drive?
00:17<dont_hate_the_player>but i want to use backticks on the remote machine
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00:17<dont_hate_the_player>so i can copy the most recent file on the remote machine
00:18<kenyon>dont_hate_the_player: ssh host 'echo `foo`' is the same as ssh host 'echo $(foo)'
00:20<dont_hate_the_player>ok thanks
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00:22<zach>hello who might be willing to help?
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00:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:24<dont_hate_the_player>hey ompaul: is your nick a reference to paul kruger?
00:25<zach>I just installed Java, now i rename the Complicated File name to simply "Java.Bin" so then i went to Root Terminal and Typed in "Apt-Get install Java.Bin it appears to have gone smoothly but i dont know how to test my theory
00:26<kenyon>zach: why wouldn't you just aptitude install default-jre?
00:27<kenyon>!install java
00:27<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>.
00:27<zach>well for starters i just converted from windows....
00:27<ompaul>dont_hate_the_player: no
00:27<ompaul>a reference to myself
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00:28<zach>could i find iced tea in Synaptics(i dont feel like a command prompt lesson right night)
00:29<ompaul>zach: doing things the windows way is not the way for Debian, if you insist on doing "random" things the idea that you would have a stable system goes out the window. Please stick to apt-get install or aptidude
00:29<kenyon>zach: anyway, to see if you have java installed, just run it: java -version
00:30<zach>ompaul: But you learn more from failure then success
00:30<ompaul>zach: no, you learn how to reinstall and that is frustrating when you need a working machine.
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00:31<kenyon>zach: yes, synaptic will show you all the same packages as apt-get or aptitude
00:31<ompaul>kenyon: I'll leave the additional repos to you ;-)
00:32<zach>ompaul: You're not very nice XD, but what is i wanted an unstable system........ so that one day i get the magical blue screen a little faster
00:32<ompaul>zach: I resemble that remark
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00:34<zach>kenyon: thank you would you mind helping me fix yet another problem?
00:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:36<zach>I seemed to have messed up W.I.N.E i cant play a game i love that uses windows(Boundless Planet) if its any help due to me Extreme noobness, I made thw Wine File my server file(is that what im supposed to do)
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00:37<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are not supported in #debian. #winehq on See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See <newer wine>.
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00:38<zach>kenyon are you at all willing to help with going all mister roboto on me?
00:39<TCW>zach, ask a question and see if one wants to help
00:39<zach>TCW are you familiar with WINE
00:39<TCW>zach, please, call it "wine"
00:39<TCW>or "Wine", but not "WINE"
00:39<zach>ok, TCW are you familiar with wine
00:40<TCW>zach, sort of
00:40<kenyon>zach: Boundless Planet is not in the wine compatibility database
00:40<zach>dang it
00:40<zach>are there any alternatives
00:40<kilelme>zach: the other alternative is crossover
00:41<TCW>to what?
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00:41<kilelme>zach: but is depend on wine to.. and other is playonlinux
00:41<kilelme>zach: buat crossover not free
00:41<zach>to wine, TCW
00:42<TCW>zach, see kilelme
00:42<TCW>zach, my suggestion would be, Play on windows, work on GN/Linux
00:43<TCW>GNU even
00:43<zach>Well i dont trust windows!
00:43<kilelme>zach: that the link
00:44<kilelme>zach: I agree with TCW... if you want play game .. just play on windows
00:44<TCW>zach, but you trust the games? O_o
00:44<TCW>especially lately I tend to not trust a game company at all!
00:44<kilelme>zach: but if you want work and make your own world better use Debian :D
00:44<zach>no, but linux is known for its lack for viruses
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00:46<kilelme>zach: on windows you can install better antivirus but it's cost some money :D
00:46<TCW>see eidos / ubisoft for instance (I happen to love the Splinter Cell, DeusEx and Assassins Creed games), it is just a shame what they do these days to cripple the use of their software...
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00:47<kilelme>zach: maybe u can simple app like deepfreeze :D on your windows
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00:48<kenyon>zach: you can run Windows in a virtual machine on your Debian Linux system
00:48<xubu>anyone familiar with vlc player? when i click show playlist the video is gone, when i click show playlist again, the video comes back...i can't seem to get both to show up at the same time. i looked through the preferences, but can't find anything
00:48<zach>kenyon, right on the money.....
00:49<zach>but still there has to be other alternatives
00:49<kenyon>the better alternative is for the game developer to make their game work on Linux
00:50<zach> kenyon.... I would love to see that day, but then there would be a huge influx of people switching to linux
00:50<zach>i said that wrong XD
00:50<kilelme>zach: maybe you can make some project to make Game on debian
00:51<zach>That sounds fun and all but im still new to programming... i would love to do that
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00:53<kilelme>zach: no problem with that.. maybe you can recrut your friend who had basic on game programing and make game for linux :D
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00:54<zach>who you?
00:55<kilelme>i just new person who use debian
00:55<kilelme>and i have no basic in programming
00:55<kilelme>i just follow tutorial what i found when i search it
00:55<heikkila>zach, you could start playing games which already work in Linux and encourage those who already develop such games. You can check for some indie-games (it's kind of like Steam), a lot of them should work in Linux.
00:57<TCW>heikkila, wtf? A steam clone? DO you know any details about their policy and openness?
00:58<zach>TCW, let me guess to hate all the fortune 500 companies or something
00:58<TCW>zach, pardon?
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01:00<zach>Kilelme you know what im saying right?
01:01<TCW>zach s/to/you/?
01:01<kilelme>zach: what you mean?
01:02<heikkila>TCW, see part 2 for a drm-question. They are against it, but they let developers publish with drm. (I think this is slipping into offtopic though)
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01:02<TCW>heikkila, we are already in the offtopic-waters for some time now ;)
01:02<zach>How to i install Bin games?
01:03<TCW>Bin games?
01:03<kilelme>bin is extention right?
01:03<heikkila>Already compiled games.
01:03<zach>so apperently Dofus runs on linux, well i downloaded it, and its a .Bin file... what do i do?
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01:04<kilelme>try ./*.bin
01:04<kilelme>i think it compress
01:04<TCW>zach, that depends on the company / game / file you downloaded.
01:04<kilelme>you must extract
01:04<zach>thank you
01:04<kilelme>maybe you can find readme how to install it
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01:04<TCW>zach, what does "file file.bin" say?
01:05<zach>Well im renamed it to dofus.bin
01:06<TCW>zach, the file dofus.bin... *rolling eyes*
01:06<TCW>then even
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01:07<benjr>whats the command to force pending data ot get written right now?
01:07<TCW>benjr, sync
01:07<TCW>benjr, if you mean data in the cache and written on the filesystem
01:07<benjr>thanks, i wish that was the default for usb sticks, everytime i potu one in and transfer data it wont unmount straight away
01:08<benjr>i put*
01:08<TCW>benjr, umount *does* a sync before umounting
01:08<benjr>really? it just pops upa message about not being able to unmount for me
01:08<TCW>benjr, does umount complain about still open files?
01:08<kenyon>use pmount --sync
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01:09<benjr>i was unmounting via the gui (xfce), perhaps if i do it ocmmandline evrey time itll work
01:09<TCW>benjr, then some process is occupying the fs
01:09<zach>anyone know any good MMOs
01:09<TCW>benjr, that should work accordingly on Xfce (and KDE or Gnome as well)
01:09<kilelme>zach: i play Atlantica Online but in windows OS :D
01:10<benjr>well unmount failed, and ive just issued a sync command in commandline and its bussy doming something
01:10<benjr>can sycn also tell me what is pending? cause i dont get any output
01:10<TCW>benjr, fuser -mv /mountpoint
01:11<TCW>ideally as root
01:13<benjr>zach, ive heard trhe new star wars is good but i cant get it to work in wine properly, the launcher starts, ti downlaods content, intro movie plays, but game loading screen stalls
01:13<benjr>TCW, thanks for the help :)
01:13<TCW>benjr, so what did fuser show?
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01:15<zach>ok well i've got a Nvidia Geforce 210... i cant play every game i see
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01:23<kilelme>i trying install my debian on amd
01:23<kilelme>what iso i use
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01:23<kilelme>i386 or amd64
01:24<kilelme>because my computer using 32 bit
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01:25<heikkila>kilelme, your computer uses 32 bit what? 32 bit cpu?
01:25<heikkila>i386 then
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01:26<kilelme>oh thank you
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01:30<zach>hello yea so how do i extract the bin again?
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01:36<kilelme>read this maybe it can help you
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01:38<poobert>anybody in here run debian on apple hardware?
01:38<kilelme>zach: or try it*.bin+on+debian :D
01:39<poobert>cuz it's no fun
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01:42<kilelme>poobert: sorry poobert is not for you
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01:42<kilelme>poobert: its for zach who wnat install bin file
01:43<poobert>i figured :(
01:44<kilelme>poobert: i'm sorry if you hurt
01:45<TCW>poobert, I run it on a G3 mac
01:46<TCW>but actually... it is rather not running, as the G3 is in the celar on a shelf (powered down, "archived")
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01:56<Jef91>Does anyone know if there are khronos EGL packages already for Debian somewhere?
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03:29<mou>hi all
03:29<Guest21797> /back
03:29<Guest21797>Opps, sorry
03:29<mou>i need help with Debian 6 : my wifi is not reconize by the system
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03:30<mou>and i can't connect to any network
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03:30<mou>i m on a netbook 1001px
03:30<mou>thanks for help
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03:36<cahoot>mou, find out its usbid (lsusb)
03:37<cahoot>err pciid
03:37<cahoot>lspci -v
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03:45<ashkan>dpkg: hi
03:45<dpkg>niihau, ashkan
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03:45<ashkan>hi dpkg
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03:58<tziOm>I am trying to write a ebtables module similar to xt_TEE, but I am struggelig queueing the packet .. seems.. anyone willing to take a look?
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05:32<zimme>i've created a ntfs filsystem in debian squeeze live system, but the partition doesn't show as ntfs in windows, any ideas why?
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05:36<heikkila>zimme, no. Did you format the partition?
05:38<zimme>just saw that the partition type is 83 "linux" so i think that's why windows doesnt see it as ntfs even tough the partition filsystem is ntfs and i can mount it in debian as ntfs
05:38<zimme>is there a way to change partition type without compromising the data in the filsystem?
05:40<Zaba>zimme, of course
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05:40<Zaba>zimme, just change it in fdisk using the t command
05:41<Zaba>zimme, the partition type is just a byte in the partition table
05:41<zimme>ok, i'll try that =)
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05:42<ottero>Just installed the latest stable and have no sound.
05:42<zimme>*!# IM clients, making me do smilys everywhere
05:42<ottero>Anybody here think they might be able to help?
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05:43<OpenTokix>ottero: have you made sure its not muted or so?
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05:43<ottero>Been searching for answers on the web for almost a day now.
05:44<OpenTokix>ottero: is the sound hardware properly identified in dmesg and lspci?
05:44<heikkila>ottero, if you type "groups" in the terminal do you see "audio"?
05:44<ottero>Found some stuff about changing the alsa-base.conf-file.
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05:44<ottero>Yep, and I'm in it.
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05:45<OpenTokix>ottero: and you have logged out and in after you added yourself to the group?
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05:45<ottero>Rebooted several times since.
05:45<ottero>I have an intel hda onboard chip.
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05:45<ottero>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
05:46<ottero>When I start up ALSA says something about not finding "REALTEK ALC883".
05:46<heikkila>ottero, list the soundcards with: cat /proc/asound/cards
05:47<heikkila>If you have two or more it might be that wrong one is loaded first.
05:47<ottero>0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf9ffc000 irq 16
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05:48<ottero>Only have one.
05:50<ottero>The most annoying thing as I see it is that a few years ago I ran Lenny on the same machine and everything worked out of the box.
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05:51<heikkila>ottero, how do you try to get sound? Are you using Gnome?
05:51<ottero>But back then I ran alsa-config and everything worked fine, now there's some alsactl init or something, and it just returns an error-message.
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05:52<ottero>Using awesome.
05:52<Zaba>ottero, so, what does 'amixer' say
05:52<ottero>So, through playing up a video in m,playerat the moment.
05:52<Zaba>(pastebin output)
05:53<fedora81>lxpanel 0.5.8 problem at my debian wheezy/sid
05:53<fedora81>any solutions..?
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05:54<fedora81>after installed
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05:57<cahoot>ottero, run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 , the speaker-test -t wav -c2
05:58<heikkila>fedora81, elaborate what kind of problem it is. Also wheezy is currently the testing branch (and sid is always the unstable branch) so you would like to ask in #debian-next , and sorry, I'm no lxde-user
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05:59<fedora81>sometimes after ten minutes seem slow his panel
05:59<ottero>cahoot: Nothing.
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06:00<fedora81>and the panel does not function normally
06:00<cahoot>no sound and no error?
06:00<ottero>Nope, it continues on and I get no sound.
06:01<cahoot>ottero, try alsa force-reload
06:01<fedora81>no terminal-->alsamixer--->speaker volume
06:02<cahoot>well you must unmute also
06:02<ottero>Everything is unmuted and no sound.
06:02<cahoot>fedora81, in debian alsa-utils unmutes and sets sane levels
06:03<ottero>I can almost feel that in the end a pretty silly problem will be found to be at work here.
06:03<heikkila>ottero, the cables are connected? :)
06:04<cahoot>ottero, you did reload alsa?
06:04<ottero>Both of those.
06:04<ottero>Checked the cables three or four times now.
06:04<ottero>And alsa was reloaded.
06:05<cahoot>ottero, no .asoundrc* present and messing thingd up?
06:05<fedora81>I installed..debian wheezy lxde desktop....not problem sound
06:05<fedora81>I installed notebook
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06:06<ottero>No .asound, but a .pulse-cookie and .pulse if they might be problematic.
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06:07<cahoot>ottero, run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* (as root) anything occupying the soundcard?
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06:08<ottero>no file such as dsp*.
06:08<cahoot>that's ok
06:09<ottero>Should I have created it anything?
06:09<cahoot>it's there only if you enable oss-emulation
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06:10<cahoot>ottero, from alsa's point of view all seems fine - hw error seems plausible
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06:11<ottero>Huh, ok.
06:12<cahoot>ottero, one other thing you might try is - keep speaker-test running in one terminal and alsamixer in another, toggle analog/digital output
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06:20<ottero>I knew, stupid fucking mistake.
06:20<ottero>Now there's sound.
06:20<cahoot>care to explain?
06:20<heikkila>And ottero said: let there be sound! And there was sound…
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06:21<ottero>I have all my sound from all my devices which is just this pc and an xbox, connected to a receiver which then sends stuff to speakers.
06:22<ottero>Something had been wrongly pushed on that one.
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06:22<ottero>Now, there's sound. =(
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06:22<ottero>Knew it.
06:22<ottero>Oh well, thank you all for your help. =)
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07:22<el>como te llamas
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07:23<heikkila>el, I don't know, we only speak English here
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07:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:23<apt>hi all
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07:24<apt>there is a channel in french ?
07:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:25<apt>thanks, merci
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07:26<kerman>what sort of old nonsense is this?
07:26<ottero>Old nonsense?
07:27<el>habla en Español
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07:27<el>por que
07:27<kerman>oui, el nonsenso!
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07:29<zdingxiaomei>:-( can not open flash,
07:30<el>ay alguienn he :)
07:30<el>que te pasa
07:30<heikkila>zdingxiaomei, have you installed some flash plugin?
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07:31<el>que pasa
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07:32<babilen>el: /join
07:32<babilen>!tell zdingxiaomei -about adobe flash
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07:36<zdingxiaomei>heikkila:no ,i install,but type no package.
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07:38<babilen>zdingxiaomei: You have to enable <contrib> (and <non-free sources>) in /etc/apt/sources.list. This is done by making sure that every deb line ends in "main contrib non-free" and running "apt-get update" -- You can then "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
07:38<zdingxiaomei>su apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ,type no package
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09:17<hook>Does the Debian installer support installing on a LVM volume *inside* a Luks-encrypted partition?
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09:18<hook>i.e. whole disk (minus tiny partition for boot) is already encrypted with Luks and has LVM on it. I'd want to install Debian on just one volume inside it and leave everything else intact.
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09:22<babilen>hook: It does (I frequently do it) -- You have to configure it manually though IIRC
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09:46<roddie>Hi, can anyone help with a problem using a Rii Touch N7 wireless compact keyboard/mouse? When I try to right click it opens a new tab in Opera on this laptop and on my HP ProLiant N40L it opens Epiphany. Both are running Squeeze with Gnome 2.
09:47<hook>babilen: Cool, thanks :)
09:47<hook>Was worried that I'd have problems with that :P
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09:48<hook>But it's just using the advanced/manual partitioner in the installer, right?
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09:58<jhutchins_wk>roddie: On one of them you've made Opera the preferred browser.
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10:00<roddie>Yes. Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear with the problem.
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10:01<roddie>The keyboard has a built-in touchpad and two mouse buttons
10:02<roddie>When I try to right-click anything it is just opening a browser
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10:02<roddie>How can I find out what the computer is seeing that button as?
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10:18<dood>I'm using Ubuntu, and have just reformatted and installed ALL of my software and have everything EXACTLY where I want it. Is there any ubuntu software that will backup my hard drive to a single file that can be restored to another hard drive if needed later?
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10:20<jhutchins_wk>dood: How would we know? This is #debian, not #ubuntu.
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10:21<dood>isn't ubuntu built on debian?
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10:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:23<dood>wooo what great rules. LOL bye
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10:34<unixabg>Greetings, I am looking for best way to make a content filter for http and https, I like privoxy, but it does not peak inside the https
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10:34<unixabg>I believe squid can with the --enable-ssl on configure
10:35<unixabg>Would anyone here have ideas that would assist on best way to peak in to http and https text streams?
10:35<unixabg>I initially only want to substitute words or just drop them.
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10:37<petemc>unixabg: if you could do that it would be very bad for the user
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10:40<unixabg>petemc: yes, I understand your concern and the user will be notified that the session is being monitored. The box will set with
10:41<unixabg>one interface on private network and one interface on public network
10:41<unixabg>sort of a http(s) gateway.
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10:42<unixabg>petemc: I need a good way to keep inappropriate content off https.
10:42<petemc>i dont believe (and i hope) what you want is not possible
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10:44<unixabg>I am open to better solutions, but without being able to peak at the text of the https stream I am down to monitoring at the workstation
10:44<unixabg>which is a nightmare.
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10:51<blast007>unixabg: even a commercial filtering system I use at work doesn't do that - I think all it can do is get the domain so it can block based on the domain
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11:09<hemmysoft>hey all, I have a what I hope to be a quick question.... I have been trying to install an on demand X Server that will NOT start at boot. Likewise, I want a GUI to start with X ONLY when I call for X server to start... does anyone have any ideas how this would work. I have tried various install methods... my Window Manager of choise would be Gnome2
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11:10<roddie>Couldn't you just uninstall your login manager?
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11:11<ZekeS>And then use startx from the console to start x
11:11<hemmysoft>would I still be logged in as the user I was in the prompt?
11:12<hemmysoft>also, what is the login manager's package name?
11:12<roddie>most likely gdm3
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11:13<hemmysoft>I thought GDM stood for GNome Desktop Manager?
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11:13<ZekeS>display manager
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11:13<hemmysoft>ok, but if I removed gdm3, wouldn't I loose gnome altpgether?
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11:14<hemmysoft>ok, I'll give it a go.. thanks for the help
11:14<ZekeS>The thing you would need to make sure of is that your .xinitrc covers everything gdm does when starting gnome
11:14<dtw>hemmysoft, you can also just edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager file. Add "#" character in the beginning of the file so it won't start.
11:15<ZekeS>unless debian does that for you, in which case yay :p
11:15<unixabg>blast007: the filter system I use now only does by url or ip address. And the issue is https pages from places like youtube put text and other links that
11:15<unixabg>are not appropriate for my users.
11:15<bighornram>Is there a way to configure network manager to order the available wireless networks?
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11:16<hemmysoft>ok, I'll go experiment with this stuff again...
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11:16<hemmysoft>thanks again for the help
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11:16<unixabg>blast007: s/use now/use now for https/
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11:32<hate29>I have amd dual-core zacate e350 @ 1,6 Ghz running squeeze but I have trouble running youtube videos at 480 full screen. I have ati propieraty drivers with radeon hd6310 installed too. It should be able to run in full hd.
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11:39<jhutchins_wk>hate29: Are you playing them locally or off the internet?
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11:39<hate29>off the internet. With minitube I have no problem.
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11:47<jhutchins_wk>hate29: So use minitube.
11:47<jhutchins_wk>hate29: I presume you have the current adobe flash player?
11:48<hate29>jhutchins_wk: I installed flashplugin-nonfree package. I assume it is the best solution?
11:48<jhutchins_wk>I have a decent 1.8G AMD single core with decent graphics card, and flash is much smoother locally than it is off the 'net.
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11:49<jhutchins_wk>hate29: Yeah, remember to run update-flashplugin-nonfree --install once in a while.
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11:50<hate29>I'm really just worried about the performance of my pc. I didn't know flash is so 'heavy'
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11:53<jhutchins_wk>That's why people love to hate it.
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12:01<Aleric>In gnome3, the window menu that allowed me to move a window to another WorkSpace disappeared :/. Is there a way to get it back?
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12:01<Aleric>I get it with ALT-space, but I want the button back in the title bar :/
12:03<mikah>heh there's a lot of bullshit with gnome3 that's ass backwards and retarded
12:03<mikah>it's like they devolved
12:03<Aleric>I 100% agree...
12:03<Aleric>I want gnome 2
12:03<Aleric>Can I just apt-get install gnome2 or something, to get it back?
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12:04<jardi>i believe there is no way back from Gnome 3
12:05<Aleric>what package do I need to get KDE?
12:05<mikah>google is fucking retarded
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12:05<mikah>i search for debian specific shit, it hilights ubuntu
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12:06<wondering>Tried google but I think it would be easier asking someone here... I need to change my doc. viewer to view pdf files and it asks other but I don't know where the .pdf viewer is???
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12:08<mikah>yea looks like you're gonna have to reinstall if you wanna do away with gnome3
12:08<mikah>they should have thought of that
12:08<mikah>sometimes i question the intelligence of those upstream
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12:13<kilelme>mikah: what you mean that gnome use gnome-shell? i stiil use the classic gnome
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12:13<mikah>i'm saying if you upgraded to gnome3, you're stuck with it
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12:16<mhall119>how are you stuck with it?
12:16<kilelme>mikah: on login screen you can select gnome classic if you don't like gnome3
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12:17<mikah>well unless you can provide a howto on removing gnome3 and fully reverting to gnome2 wihtout using the 'gnome classic' that 'is only going to be around for a short time'
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12:18<mhall119>can't you just remove gnome3/gtk3 and install gnome2/gtk2?
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12:19<mikah>read through that
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12:20<mhall119>I still don't see what you mean by "stuck" when you can still switch to something else
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12:23<mikah>well sure, if you want to go ahead and switch to another DE, but when someone was happy with gnome2 and it got upgraded to gnome3 without telling them "YOU SHALL NOT DOWNGRADE" (pretty much that's the issue here) then yes, the term 'stuck' applies
12:23<mhall119>I mean, you're not stuck with Gnome3 anymore than you were stuck with Gnome2
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12:23<mhall119>You can still install and run Gnome2
12:23<mhall119>it's just not going to be developed any further
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12:24<mikah>so, you /can/ apt-get install gnome2 ?? and apt-get remove gnome3 ??
12:24<mhall119>depends on the repository
12:25<mhall119>course, there'll be a lot of dependencies on Gnome3 and GTK 3, so you may have to downgrade a bunch of apps too
12:25<mikah>cause i ran into that problem with ubuntu, it's like they're all trying to jump on the 'gee your pc should be a smartphone' bandwagon so i tried out gnome-shell, which was a biiiiig mistake, had to blow out the installation to make it work the way I wanted.
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12:25<mhall119>yeah, I think Gnome2 is gone from the 11.10 repos
12:26<mhall119>they were both in 11.04 I think
12:26<mhall119>or 10.10
12:26<mhall119>one of the two
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12:26<mhall119>bottom line is that Gnome2 is legacy code, nobody wants to support it or improve it anymore
12:27<mhall119>if you want to use it, you've got to accept that reality
12:27<mikah>except for the people that prefer it over this unity/gnome3/smartphone bullshit
12:27<mhall119>with the exception of Mint and Mate, I haven't heard any of any serious efforts to keep Gnome2 alive
12:27<mikah>and given the amount of people complaining in #ubuntu on freenode, that's a lot of people
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12:28<mhall119>mikah: a lot of users, yes
12:28<koollman>mikah: well, great. they can maintain it then :)
12:28<mhall119>but when all the developers say "We're done with it, we don't want it anymore", then complaining ain't gonna do much
12:28<mikah>i mean, to me, it's starting to act more like microsoft than foss
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12:29<mhall119>because developers are doing what they want, rather than what they're told to do?
12:29<mikah>'here we're gonna force these changes on you, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it cause we don't support legacy code'
12:29<koollman>mikah: there is something you can do about it.
12:29<mhall119>nobody's forcing anything on you
12:29<koollman>mikah: no one stops you from taking gnome2 sources, compiling them and installing them. or making a package
12:29<mhall119>if you want to run and maintain Gnome2, it's a simple fork
12:30<mhall119>but nobody else wants to do that for you anymore
12:30<koollman>and even distributing them to the large amount of interested users
12:30<koollman>so far, no one has bothered.
12:30<mhall119>mikah: fact is, a lot of users still want Gnome2. If you fork it and maintain it and improve it, you'll be a FOSS hero, so what's stopping you?
12:30<koollman>so, yes. it's starting to act more like a microsoft *customer* than foss *community member* ;)
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12:31<mikah>well for one, i'm not a developer, and have no experience writing code for an operating system i just started using a year and a half ago
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12:31<mhall119>why hasn't anybody except Mate taken the Gnome2 code and committed to maintaining it?
12:31<mikah>so telling /me/ to fork is basically like me telling you to go eat snow
12:31*koollman likes to eat snow
12:31<mhall119>mikah: and nobody who is a developer and has experience writing code wants the job of maintaining Gnome2, what does that tell you?
12:32<kilelme>mikah: if i'm not wrong fresh install debian squeeze is depend on gnome 2 right?
12:32<jardi>koollman, hahahahhahaaha. But why do you think so far no one has bothered to fork gnome2?
12:32<koollman>jardi: it's huge, probably hard to even just maintain or compile
12:32<koollman>also, any developper I know either use gnome3, or no desktop at all :)
12:32<mikah>probably, i got the kde version of squeeze so
12:33<koollman>personnally ... i3 is quite ok and if things go wrong I'm sure I can find a window manager I can hack a bit to my taste :)
12:34<jardi>koollman, I'm running gnome3 and it has bugs, but every new software will have bugs it's just a matter of filing then and the developers will eventually take care of them.. I personally don't dislike it...
12:34<mikah>yea i'm finally getting kde the way i want it, hopefully there's no drastic upgrade that kills functionality like gnome3 did
12:34<mhall119>mikah: or like KDE4 did
12:34<koollman>mikah: in my opinion, foss is not about 'serving the user'. it's about 'serving oneself, and letting others profit from that work too'.
12:34<jardi>and if I would, I would just install other DE or just a window manager like Openbox..
12:34<mhall119>remember all the complaining about KDE4, and how everyone wanted to stay with KDE3?
12:34<mikah>i dislike gnome3 for one reason and one reason alone. not being able to put anything on the friggen panel anymore
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12:35<mikah>cause they all think you want to use some gl slidey dock type bs
12:35<dpkg>Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 packaged). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. #trinity-desktop on Ask me about <kde squeeze>.
12:35<dpkg>awesome is probably a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. #awesome on
12:35<dpkg>The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available for Debian since Lenny. To install, ask me about <install lxde>. #lxde on
12:35<jardi>but there is already a tool that allows you to do that mikah
12:35<koollman>so, someone do care enough about kde3 :)
12:35<mikah>jardi, what's that
12:36<koollman>now you just need to find someone who cares about gnome2
12:36<mhall119>koollman: yeah, and there's Mate for Gnome2 as well
12:36<mhall119>but neither one of them is going to go very far
12:36<mikah>also i'm using kde4 atm
12:36<roddie>I thought the Gnome 2 fork was called XFCE ;)
12:36<koollman>mhall119: well ... if it's still, but keep compiling on new platforms, it might be ok for most complaining users
12:36<mikah>i have no experience with <kde4
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12:36<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. #xfce on
12:36<mikah>so i don't know how it was
12:37<mhall119>koollman: except the users are going to want all the cool new stuff as well
12:37<koollman>mhall119: ah. yes.
12:37<mhall119>so it's not going to be enough to just keep it compiling
12:37<koollman>easy answer then. 'go f*ckin use gnome3' ;)
12:37<mhall119>they'll have to track new features while desperately trying not to change anything
12:38<mhall119>it's certainly not a task I'd want to commit to
12:38<jardi>mikah, I think it's called dconf-editor
12:38<koollman>(or a more reasonnable 'ok, I will merge your patch adding that feature as soon as you are done' ;) )
12:38<jardi>but I haven't used it, I rather have my desktop clean, I like it that way
12:38<mhall119>koollman: you don't often hear software devs (people capable or writing said patches) complaining about Gnome-Shell/Unity....I wonder why that it
12:38<mikah>but I do know i prefer the ui of gnome2 over gnome3 because of mainly the panel, and the inability to configure it the way it was in gnome2, this along with the way it doesn't like to play with my gfx card in ubuntu, there was an issue with jockey not reporting my driver in use, therefore limiting my gl capabilities... all that's gone now though cause i choose to blow out ubuntu and use debian instead..
12:38<mikah>but yea, complaining won't get anywhere
12:39<koollman>mhall119: I'm sure some did complain
12:39<mhall119>mikah: if all you care about is the panels, use Xfce
12:39<koollman>I remember Linus having quite a few disagreements with the design.
12:39<mikah>again.. ALL THAT'S GONE
12:39<mikah>and I'M USING KDE
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12:39<mikah>this argument isn't about me either
12:39<mhall119>koollman: to be honest, I'm surprised Linus uses a full on DE at all
12:40<mhall119>then again, Linus also complained about Gnome2 and KDE4
12:40<mhall119>probably KDE3 too, if you look hard enough
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12:41<mikah>i simply stated that it was difficult, if not impossible to revert to gnome2 from gnome3, unless youall have a procedure that you follow that is well documented, then I will admit i was mistaken.. then you all shitstormed on me cause that's what people love to do when someone says something they disagree with.
12:41<koollman> . right. so, he went to xfce back then ... and ... coming back to gnome 3.2 somehow
12:41<koollman>mikah: I don't disagree with you. I have no opinion on gnome, really. no matter which version :)
12:42<mhall119>mikah: we were simply pointing out that the developers had moved on, and it wasn't fair to criticize them for not wanting to maintain an old project anymore
12:42<mikah>now i've had enough of this DE wars,
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12:42<mikah>i wasn't criticizing them for not supporting an old project
12:42<mhall119>koollman: yeah, he's not exactly wedded to his DE
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12:42<mikah>i was criticizing them for breaking the UI and removing functionality
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12:43<jhutchins_wk>roddie: xfce is it's own thing, actually owes more to CDE which became KDE.
12:44<charchess>it's not working :D (need a lil help with some package building for openca, seems it's not icluding complied binary with the dpkg-buildpackages)
12:44<Zaba>jhutchins_wk, CDE "became" KDE?
12:45<jhutchins_wk>Zaba: No, CDE was a precursor of both KDE and XFCE.
12:45<koollman>CDE is CDE. KDE is KDE. they are not or were not ever mixed, except by the name :)
12:45<roddie>jhutchins_wk: I know, I was just joking because a lot of people are moving from gnome-panel to xfce
12:46<Zaba>koollman, indeed.
12:46<jhutchins_wk>Mint has forked Gnome3 and Ubuntu has gone unity.
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12:49<jhutchins_wk>I wonder why people think xfce is a gnome fork?
12:50<roddie>They do?
12:50*atoz-chevara is away: Silahkan meninggalkan pesan...
12:52<jhutchins_wk>roddie: Some people seem to. I've encountered that assertion twice in the last few days.
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12:54<mhall119>jhutchins_wk: probably because the default Xubuntu configs make it look like the old Gnome2 default
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12:57<axkibe>Hi, whats the most painless way to upgrade 32bit Squeeze to 64bit?
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12:59<jhutchins_wk>axkibe: Clean install.
12:59<jhutchins_wk>axkibe: There really isn't an upgrade path.
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13:00<axkibe>Owww, i feared that, my mongodb just started complaining reaching its 32bit limit due to it memory map.
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13:11<mhall119>axkibe: you have a 4GB mongodb?
13:12<axkibe>Its a tweet database with 500000 tweets. I tried to add an index and it complained it went over 2GB
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13:15<axkibe>its not 4GB large, but its indexing and memory mapping technique seems to bust the limits. I picked 32bit then since I thought, the machine only has 1GB of memory, so why should I 64?
13:15<mhall119>do you write your own indexing method, like couchdb?
13:15<mhall119>or does mongo do that itself
13:16<axkibe>Mongo does it:{timestamp: 1}); -> bust
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13:16<mhall119>hmmm, indexing a timestamp doesn't sound efficient
13:17<mhall119>especially for tweets
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13:17<mhall119>are you doing this just for ordering speed?
13:17<axkibe>Its a number, seconds since 1970. So why isn't it efficient?
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13:18<axkibe>Its for querying.
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13:19<mhall119>since there's not likely to be many duplicates
13:19<mhall119>your index will be about as long as the table itself
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13:19<mhall119>so checking the index and checking the table itself won't be drastically different in terms of speed
13:20<axkibe>then i don't index it :-)
13:20<axkibe>but since I got now worth of 2 months of data, and duplicating would have busted it, I can expect the database to go bust in any few weeks in future
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13:21<mhall119>can you tell mongo to order it based on the timestamp?
13:21<mhall119>without creating a separate index
13:21<mhall119>because out of your 500,000 tweets, you likely have 480,000 unique timestamps
13:22<axkibe>dunno. I'm not knowledge enough about databases to have cared so far :-)
13:23<axkibe>And I didn't pick mongodb since its speed, but because I wouldn't have to care about specifing the columns, I just took the data as I got it from twitter and pushed it into a collection
13:24<mhall119>you may have actually been better off with a traditional RDBMS for this one
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13:25<qdb>hello. how do you think my system is again hacked? :
13:26<axkibe>maybe most people are.
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13:28<koollman>qdb: that looks like a useless hack, if it is one. I doubt it is hacked.
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13:30<qdb>koollman, one man in other irc says looks like bad ram chip during installation
13:30<koollman>might be. (not very likely too, but easier to test. reboot and do a memtest)
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13:31<Deckard>hi all :)
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13:32<Deckard>anyone knows how to specify the listening interfaces in ntp.conf ?
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13:33<qdb>koollman, indeed it has crashed many times during installation and i tried to increase frequensy and multiplier . may be now it will not make errors with current settings
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13:37<mhall119>qdb: you're overclocking?
13:37<qdb>mhall119, yes i tried
13:37<mhall119>stability and reliability goes out the windows when you do that
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13:38<qdb>mhall119, now it is overclocked a little
13:38<qdb>should be 200mhz*11 by default but it is ... may be 202 and may be 12
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13:39<qdb>or 201 and 11.5
13:39<qdb>like that
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13:41<theocrite> /win 28
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14:09<dc4481>getting "GPG error: stable Release: The following signatures were invalid"...any hints :) ?
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14:10<sney>try a different mirror
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14:12<squid>Hi, I am running squeeze 688 fully updated, on a scrap box AMD motherboard for a Debian trial/plaything. All works well from install. I am using a TNT2 NV card & a panasync 5g monitor. The monitor will only produce a resolution of 1024x768. Looking in /etc/X11 I do not have an xorg.conf File. After consulting, all methods fail with file not found/exist. I presume...
14:12<squid>...xorg is producing a default config on the fly each time at boot up which is a great example of its powers. Any ideas as to how I can produce xorg.conf to fine tune the system !
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14:14<dc4481>sney: yeah that did the trick. thanks
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14:15<sney>squid: yeah, current Xorg does not require an xorg.conf, it just autodetects your hardware... if you really want one, you can generate it with X -configure, or just write one from scratch and put it in /etc/X11
14:15<sney>there is also:
14:15<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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14:17<sney>squid: you will probably want to use the 'nv' driver for your tnt2 instead of 'nouveau'
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14:18<squid>yes that is part of my plan also. Many thanks for your help
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14:22<justiceiro_df>someone from Brasil???
14:22<qdb>koollman, you know from machine codes enough that it is useless?
14:23<jardi>I'm not from Brasil but I speak Portuguese
14:23<justiceiro_df>tks jardi
14:23<justiceiro_df>but I can also speak in english
14:23<jardi>I can see, I just didn't know why you asked for someone from Brasil... lol
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14:24<justiceiro_df>to try to speak in portuguese
14:24<justiceiro_df>my english is so poor
14:24<justiceiro_df>I'm getting a Dell Server
14:25<justiceiro_df>poweredge t410
14:25<jardi>justiceiro_df, you can try #debian-br channel
14:25<justiceiro_df>that cames with perc 6i controller
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14:26<justiceiro_df>did you know
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14:32<justiceiro_df>I really need to know
14:32<dont_hate_the_player>yo- so i am in /dev... how do i browse the contents of the devices? i don't know which device to mount- sg0? sdd? sda1?
14:32<justiceiro_df>wich of all the versions
14:32<justiceiro_df>I need to install on it?
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14:33<sney>justiceiro_df: just get the installer from the upper right corner of
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14:33<justiceiro_df>but on there
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14:34<sney>justiceiro_df: this link
14:34<sney>dont_hate_the_player: eh, what are you trying to do exactly
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14:36<dont_hate_the_player>i have an HP SAN
14:36<dont_hate_the_player>i want to mount it to /mnt/san
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14:38<dont_hate_the_player>any ideas sney?
14:38<sney>dont_hate_the_player: sorry, I didn't think you were done describing the problem.
14:39<dont_hate_the_player>oh -haha
14:39<sney>which san is it? esata?
14:39<justiceiro_df>is this will usefull to this server?
14:39<sney>justiceiro_df: yes.
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14:40<justiceiro_df>I'll try this
14:42<sney>dont_hate_the_player: I haven't used much sas stuff, but provided it was detected, the array should show up in fdisk -l or dmesg
14:42<justiceiro_df>for a Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5620 2.4Ghz 12M
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14:42<sney>justiceiro_df: the manual is the same for i386/amd64
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14:43<sney>you can go to if it makes you feel better
14:44<justiceiro_df>sorry man....
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14:45<sney>dont_hate_the_player: unfortunately you can't just 'browse' the nodes in /dev
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14:49<arthur8>Hi everyone!
14:50<arthur8>Is anyone able to help with a Debian PowerPC query??
14:53<sney>maybe, why don't you just ask and then if anyone knows
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14:54<sney>or you can try #debianppc
14:55<arthur8>ok, thanks sney
14:56<arthur8>i got halfway through installing Debian PowerPC in a G3 Imac, but the install failed. now i can't either boot into the half-installed system or bring up the firmware menu to boot from cd again. any ideas??
14:56<sney>getting to the firmware menu is a huge pain, are you sure you're hitting all 4 keys at the right moment?
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15:00<arthur8>well it starts to boot from HDD. when i get the menu saying "First Stage GNU/Linux Bootstrap" it gives options for either "l" to boot linux (but that doesn't work) or "c" for CD. If I choose "c" it drops into open firmware. but i don't know if or how you can tell open firmware to boot from cd.???
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15:01<arthur8>if i try to let it boot all the way on HDD it gets as far as mounting root but can't find it.
15:01<arthur8>it gives me an ash shell and a basic set of commands, but that's all.
15:02<arthur8>maybe i could mount the cd and continue the install from there, but i don't know how, if so.
15:02<sney>I'd imagine there's a reference of openfirmware commands
15:02<sney>but I think you can also type 'help' and there is a boot command, so it ends up being something like boot deviceidentifier
15:03<sney>it's been a very long time since I used a powerpc system, sorry
15:03<arthur8>ok thanks sney i'll have a dig around.
15:03<mutes>could anyone help me real quick with a bash script?
15:03<mutes>its probably simple
15:03<mutes>but i wouldnt know
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15:05<Bogdan>i want to ask somehting : i want to give a user on my server but this user to not have acces to see other folders only what is in his home folder
15:05<Bogdan>how i can do this ?
15:05<dpkg>For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', and . For further information, see and and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>.
15:05<Bushmills>Bogdan: ^^^
15:05<mutes>whats a dollar sign mean in directory
15:05<Bogdan>you can say me concret man
15:06<Bushmills>don't bother to try settings things up such that user can't look into directories containing stuff which is freely available on internet anyway
15:06<justiceiro_df>I'm around
15:06<justiceiro_df>just reading
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15:06<Bushmills>mutes: "in directory"?
15:07<Bushmills>leading a string a $ is used for substituting contents of variable for its name
15:07<mutes>oh i see
15:07<Bushmills>blah=foobar; echo $blah
15:09<mutes>i see
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15:09<mutes>so it lets a variable act withing a string?
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15:10<Bushmills>$ indicates "following string is not to be taken literally, but interpreted as name of a variable"
15:10<mutes>thats cool
15:10<mutes>(i think
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15:11<mutes>i just replaced the entirevariable with my personalized directory, should work
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15:11<mutes>i just remember in ubuntu, a $ used to be at the beginning of the prompt
15:12<Bushmills>not related
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15:26<justiceiro_df>tks for all
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15:27<Peanut>Hi - I'm using 6.0.2 here and I would like to enable the Xserver to listen to TCP connections (not ssh forwarding). I've removed the entry in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverc, but X still starts up without listening to port 6000, ps shows that Xorg still has '-nolisten tcp' somewhere. I've done quite a lot of Googling but can't find how to make this work :-(
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15:44<Myon>Peanut: /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and security/DisallowTCP I guess
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15:53<linkcis>I have a netgear N150 card, im trying to get the firmware installed for it during the net install of debian. Can someone point me to the install firmware file I will need to put on the USB flash drive for it to work during the net install of debian?
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15:54<jhutchins_wk>!installer firmware
15:54<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
15:54<linkcis>jhutchins, yes thats not the problem. I need help finding the firmware for it, since I have found the file but it keeps saying its wrong when I try to use it
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16:00<sney>linkcis: have you tried using the unofficial installer with firmware included?
16:01<sney>!firmware image
16:01<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install guide>.
16:01<linkcis>sney, yes and I have also tired I want to say the Kmurt or Kurmt unofficial as well, both keep saying the same thing right where they detect network it says No Ethernet Detected please pick one of the modules, tried all the ath ones which my netgear says its an atheros in linux and it just goes back to that same screen
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16:02<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: kmuto?
16:03<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, yeah thats it couldnt remember the name exactly lol
16:03<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: Can you get the product ID from lspci (or lsusb)?
16:04<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, not right this moment, I had to be get back on Windows 7 just to get xchat, my debian install is just the base nothing more
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16:05<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: I don't know if you can get the eight character ID in Windows, but if you have a base install just write it down, then we'll ask judd what module & firmware it needs.
16:05<linkcis>okay let me restart and then I will brb
16:05<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: The internal ID is much more reliable than make & model.
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16:06<sney>you can get an 8 character id in windows, it's in msinfo32 somewhere, but it's obnoxious to find
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16:12<Aleric>Since my last upgrade (testing), my hostname isn't resolving anymore :/
16:12<Aleric>in /etc/hosts I have:
16:12<Aleric> hikaru.localdomain hikaru
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16:13<Aleric>If I set DISPLAY to hikaru:0.0 I used to be able to open an xterm with that, but not anymore. Using :0.0 still works...
16:13<Aleric>host hikaru now doesn't work anymore
16:13<Aleric>what's wrong?
16:13<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, it says "ID 0846:9030 Netgear, Inc"
16:15<sney>,pciid 0846:9030
16:15<judd>[0846:9030] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
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16:16<Weston>Can anyone help me with kexec?
16:16<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:17<paul_30>anyone can help me with a very strange grub2 problem ??
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16:18<Weston>I am passing in crashkernel=64M@16M in debian 5 in the /boot/grub/menu.lst then I load my crash kernel `kexec -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 --initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 --append=`cat /proc/cmdline`" 1 irqpoll maxcpus=1 reset_devices"` and then `kexec -p` however no matter what I do it always fails with Memory for crashkernel is not reserved Please reserve memory by passing "crashkernel=X@Y" parameter to the kernel Then try loading kdump kernel
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16:22<Aleric>what was the file that specified the order /etc/hosts , dns etc?
16:23<Weston>hosts line
16:23<Weston>file dns
16:23<Weston>is hosts first then dns
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16:30<linkcis>sney, I exported the information from my lsusb and this is exactly what I got. "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. "
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16:30<sney>oh yeah it's usb
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16:30<sney>linkcis: sorry, I'm not really here right now, hopefully someone else can help you
16:31<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, are you still here?
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16:34<linkcis>!firmware 0846:9030
16:34<linkcis>!pcid 0846:9030
16:34<linkcis>,pcid 0846:9030
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16:35<linkcis>!pciid 0846:9030
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16:35<linkcis>,pciid 0846:9030
16:35<judd>[0846:9030] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
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16:36<sney>it's not a pci id because it's not pci, it's usb. try googling the id.
16:37<ml23>quick question - for personal desktop use, does debian still need a swap partition. Back in the day it helped alot, but my computer has 1GB RAM. Would it even use swap?
16:37<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: Hey, you got it!
16:37<jhutchins_wk>At least, you got the syntax. Is that from lspci or lsusb?
16:38<sney>ml23: it would use it, sure, but you might not want it to, since swap is really slow
16:38<jhutchins_wk>It shouldn't be unknown vendor.
16:38<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, thats from the LSUSB. I have the LSPCI but it doesnt show up at all in the list
16:38<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: ah, well, pciid isn't going to know a usb ID.
16:38<jhutchins_wk>,usbid 8046:9030
16:38<jhutchins_wk>Don't think that works...
16:38<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, i didnt know that, i thought it was worth a shot lol
16:39<sney>ml23: you don't need a swap partition unless you want to do suspend to disk/hibernate. otherwise you can create swap files later if you want more (slow) memory
16:39<jhutchins_wk>That's something we should implement as soon as someone comes up with a way to keep it up to date.
16:39<ml23>sney: thank you. I might still use it on my netbook, since it has a solid state hard drive. I don't think double the RAM size is necessary though.
16:40<sney>yeah, ssd swap is fast-ish but you still feel the slowdown
16:41<ml23>sney: my current setup with 1GB RAM, rarely even writes to swap. I think I might delete that swap partition. I could always add it back on later. thanks again
16:42<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, any ideas?
16:42<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: Double check that ID please, I'm not having any luck finding it.
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16:43<jhutchins_wk>Oh, you probably have to reboot....
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16:44<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, that is the exact output from lsusb and lspci on debian
16:44<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, I mounted my drive in linux and then echoed it into a file so thats how I have it on windows 7
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16:46<jhutchins_wk>THat's pretty smart.
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16:47<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: ath9k_htc is the driver.
16:47<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, okay could you help me by helping me find that driver? i found one that was in .deb form but the installer debian stable didnt want to work with it
16:47<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, so I dont know if I need the deb file or the so file or what
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16:48<jhutchins_wk>Need firmware-atheros from non-free
16:50<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, okay im going back to my debian base, I got the wireless tools and that deb file now I just hope I can get it to work lol any luck Ill be back in a few minutes on debian
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16:50<linkcis>jhutchins_wk, ty for helping
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16:51<jhutchins_wk>linkcis: Glad I could!
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17:04<zach>how do i install adobe flash 11
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17:05<sney>!adobe flash
17:05<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
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17:12<zach>ok whats the package name for the flash plugin... cuz that didnt help at all
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17:15<devil>zach: its still flashplugin-nonfree
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17:17<jhutchins_wk>zach: Gonna be flashplugin-nonfree ten minutes from now too.
17:18<ompaul>jhutchins_wk: say it isn't true :)
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17:25<jhutchins_wk>Wait, you not only want an incorrect answer, you want a SPECIFIC incorrect answer?
17:26<devil>zach: you are probably missing non-free in your sources
17:27<devil>zach: its contrib, not non-free
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17:32<linkcis>sney: hey sney
17:33<linkcis>Ty for the help I am on debian now via CLI. But I have a working internet with that USB netgear wireless lol now just have to install the whole system like DE
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17:34<jeff1947>Hello. I?m a newby on Debian and am trying to install it on my old Gateway 2000 computer, purchased in 1998 or 1999. All of basic install seems to go successfully. Though I don?t recall exactly what it says, during the install process there?s a screen that asks what you want and lists a number of server options as well as certain utilities. The item at the top of the screen (which I think says graphical something) and the utiliti
17:34<jeff1947>es at the bottom of the screen are both checked. I?ve installed Debian this way twice and I get the same result: When I try to boot (after removing the Debian installation CD that I?d burned after downloading from a mirror), the computer starts up scrolling through a bunch of things and then there?s a blue and green band along the top with Debian printed a few times within it. And then everything stops. I?d let the computer sit
17:34<jeff1947> for a couple of hours and nothing changes?just the otherwise blank screen with the blue and green band at the top. I also did the installation once checking only the utilities and unchecking the ?graphical something? at the top and the boot was fully successful. However, I?m hoping to successfully use the computer with all the available graphics and other resources that Debian has. A helpful person yesterday suggested that I go
17:34<jeff1947> to and use their fix. I downloaded Rescatux from and put it on a usb drive that I then plugged into the Gateway 2000. I?d set the Bios to go first to removable items before the CD drive and the hard disk. The computer has two USB ports and a disk drive also for the small plastic cassettes that were commonly used prior to CDs. (I assume?but please correct me if I am wrong?that the computer will
17:34<jeff1947> first look to this USB drive that has Rescatux on it.) I started up the Gateway, but the computer froze at the same point with the blue/green band at the top. Do I need to put the Rescatux on a CD rather than a USB drive? Any any other suggestions? Thanks for your thoughts and help. The specifics of the computer are: Intel Pentium II Processor, 447 MHz, 128 MB of RAM, Hard Drive Quantum Fireball EX10.2A, Video Card NVIDIA RIVA TNT
17:34<jeff1947>16MB, BIOS Version 4W4SB0X0.15A.0005.P03
17:35<linkcis>whoa slow down some jeff thats a lot to read
17:35<sney>I remember this guy
17:35<linkcis>sney: is he serious ?
17:35<jeff1947>Sorry for putting in too much. And yes, I am serious in trying to get it to work.
17:35<sney>jeff1947: yes, it's likely that your gateway is too old to boot from usb. try it on a cd.
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17:36<ompaul>intel P2 .,, how big a hard drive?
17:37<sney>looks like a 10 gig
17:37<sney>should be fine
17:37<sney>most of those p2s came with 6 or 10 gig drives
17:37<jeff1947>OK. I'll do that next. Just to make sure what your saying. I should put the Rescuatux file on a CD. Then with the Debian software already installed, I should boot with the Rescuatux in the CD holder.
17:38<jeff1947>And yes, there's 10 GB of hard disk. I remember how big it felt when we bought the computer.
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17:39<jeff1947>I saw from looking at the requirements for Debian that the 10 GB should be fine. I was concerned about the 128MB of RAM.
17:39<sney>jeff1947: if the debian install worked and you can boot into it, then you don't need the rescue cd anymore...
17:41<jeff1947>The problem now is that when I try to boot, the computer freezes during the bootup process. And what's on the screen at that point is this band across the top of the screen that's blue and green with Debian printed a few times within it.
17:41<sney>ok, so same problem as before.
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17:42<jeff1947>Same problem as yesterday. Unless you tell me to do something different, the next step I'll take is to put the Rescuatux on a CD and then try to boot with that CD in the computer's CD tray.
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17:43<jeff1947>I'll try that a little later this afternoon (I'm on the West Coast) and see what happens.
17:44<jeff1947>SNEY, thanks much for the suggestion. I'll let you know later what happens. Have a good holiday to all.
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18:23<scientes>404 not found
18:23<scientes>from here:
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18:26<daemonkeeper>Is this a question?
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18:32<ompaul>scientes: you know you need to look here - what you have on the screen does not match that directory
18:32<Deckard>best way to set a vpn between 2 debian boxes ?
18:32<Deckard>only way ?
18:33<ompaul>you asked best
18:33<ompaul>I'm not interested in other ways it's what I use to keep a multisite business talking
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18:33<Deckard>that should do the trick
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18:35<ompaul>Deckard: start with the simplest of configs get two ips talking remember one of them must be static and with nat for ipv4 allowing exteral traffic in or a bridge and real ip space on a firewall
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18:37<Deckard>thanks :)
18:39<sney>the openvpn site has a very comprehensive howto under the community section.
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18:42<Deckard>i think i 'm gonna start there
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19:10<priv1>How can I help Debian by translate texts into my language?
19:11<sney>volunteer on the documentation mailing list
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19:15<daemonkeeper>What is "your" language?
19:15<jhutchins_lt>I thought German was pretty well covered.
19:15<daemonkeeper>Hence I'm asking.
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19:35<dc4481>question: is it a bad idea to switch from "testing" to "unstable" with an up-to-date "testing" build?
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19:39<dc4481>I think I found my answer here:
19:39<dc4481>time to break some shit
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19:40<priv1>daemonkeeper: Yeah it's German. Perhabs and with difficulty it can be French, too.
19:40<daemonkeeper>While I'm sure there is some help needed, I bet German is pretty well covered.
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19:41<daemonkeeper>Ask in #debian-i18n
19:42<priv1>Yeah so I think, but I think there could be some work in the wiki
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19:44<daemonkeeper>graphical clients ftw1
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19:45<linkcis>lol what are we all talking about
19:47<sney>dc4481: it's only a bad idea if you don't know what you're doing, or if you need to rely on that computer for some reason. otherwise, testing/sid discussion goes in #debian-next
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19:49<linkcis>how do I uninstall flashplayer in debian? some reason my debian doesnt autocomplete like when I type like apt-get remove flash or adobe and then tab.
19:50<sney>apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree assuming that's the one you installed
19:50<dc4481>sney: thanks
19:51<linkcis>actually it keeps saying gtk-gnash when flash loads
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19:57<priv1>apt-get purge browser-plugin-gnash gnash gnash-common ?
19:58<sney>you're learning
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20:10<jeff1947>SNEY, you were right that I needed to put Rescatux on a CD. I?ve now started up the computer with the Rescatux CD in the tray. The Rescatux screen that came up gave me some choices and I chose the first one, which was ?Live?. It scrolled through a bunch of diagnostics (which sadly I don?t understand and they went by too fast for me to jot anything down). If you need me to do so on my next try, I?m happy to try to get down a l
20:10<jeff1947>ittle. In any case, I believe that Rescatux finished whatever it does and the Debian boot-up process started. There was a little thing that looked a bit like a clock-face in the center of the blank screen that eventually turned into the cursor arrow. And since then, nothing further has happened on the screen. I can move the cursor arrow around the screen, but that?s about all. During this frozen time, the CD tray would not open and
20:10<jeff1947>the computer would not turn off when I hit the off button. I eventually pulled the plug so that I could try a reboot. On the first reboot, I tried the second Rescatux choice, which was ?Live [Failsafe]?. It initially gave me the same result?a blank screen with the cursor in the middle. After a few minutes, though, a box appeared labeled at the top ?Rescatux 0.30b3 Rescapp?. I could click on a few boxes, but nothing happened
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20:10<jeff1947>with it. For a while, until they mysteriously disappeared, there were some icons along the bottom of the screen including a clock. After clicking a bit on them, what looked a little bit like an OS X finder came up. I started trying to work with it, but all (including the icons on the bottom of the screen) disappeared, except the initial Rescatux box. I look forward to any further suggestions that you might have. All the best. Jeff
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20:13<sney>jeff1947: ok, rescatux is just a live operating system that you can use to fix an existing linux install. I have never used it personally. what you want to do is fix the grub installation on your hard drive. if you go back to the supergrub website there should be instructions for doing this.
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20:13<Guest21921>Yo hey, got a problem
20:13<Guest21921>DynDNS + mail. Any solutions?
20:14<Guest21921>Well, let me say it easily: I DON'T F*ING WANT TO SEND ANY SPAM
20:14<jeff1947>SNEY, thanks. I'll go back there and see what I find. Until next time. Jeff
20:14<Guest21921>More, I F*ING GET SPAM IN MY MSIL BOX
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20:14<Guest21921>no matter what they F*CKING say abou "we fight spam"
20:15<Guest21921>It's all shit
20:15<dondelelcaro>Guest21921: this is #debian, not #antispam.
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20:15<Guest21921>dondelelcaro: OK, then, what channel is the best for issues about DynDNS and own mail server?
20:16<Guest21921>My problem is: when I try to send mail, I am handled like a spammer, but that _I_ get spam - no-f*ing-body cares about
20:17<dondelelcaro>Guest21921: there may not be one, but you can try #linux or something similar... and you might try just stating what your actual problem is
20:17<Guest21921>dondelelcaro OK thanks, gonna try
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20:20<Guest21921>seems they have no idea there
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20:21<sney>"hi, I'm running a debian mail server and I want to reduce the amount of spam incoming and outgoing" "thanks for clearly stating your problem. I advise you to install and configure spam assassin"
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20:24<Guest21921>sney: the question was _not_ about spamassassin, keep in mind
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20:24<Guest21921>sney: thanks for a nice try to show how clever you are
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20:26<sney>well, you joined a support channel and gave a bunch of vague complaints with weird censored profanity and didn't get any satisfactory results, so I thought I would demonstrate how else it could have gone
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20:26<sney>we're volunteers so we're not required to help you if you won't provide useful information
20:27<Guest21921>sney: once again, the topic was mainly how I can send mail without being handled like spammer
20:29<Guest21921>sney I don't ever send any crap, I just want to be able to communicate with my friends using _my own mail server_, with no that crap "so super great free email providers" have
20:29<Guest21921>Own mail server is much more comfortable
20:29<sney>and you communicated that very poorly. good job.. you should find a dns provider that is not on any blacklists. this can be difficult due to the size of the spam industry. dyndns may be completely out of the question. maybe
20:29<Guest21921>sney: gonna try, thanks for hint
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20:30<babilen>Or buy a real domain -- but really, I still don't see how this is related to Debian at all.
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20:32<Guest21921>babilen: A Debian or generally linux channel is better for such questions than a some kind of "#nph - Nice Pussies Here! :*" channel, like most on other IRC servers
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20:36<babilen>Guest21921: Are you running Debian? Please try to keep it professional in here and note that questions about some topics are better asked in different forums/channels.
20:36<Guest21921>babilen: OK, for sure, then, can you maybe give me a hint what channel is the best for issues with DynDNS and sending mail?
20:37<Guest21921>babilen: As to web forums - how do you think, would I ask here if there were any help in dah forums? Just crap, nothing more.
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20:38<sney>Guest21921: as I previously implied, you might want to work on asking clearer questions.
20:39<Guest21921>sney: OK I'm gonna "work on asking clearer questions", but first, let me clear some questions wih
20:39<sney>'s own website can answer those questions better than I can
20:40<Guest21921>sney: So I'm gonna ask it, just am doing that
20:40<Guest21921>sney: that's what I mean
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20:45<Guest21921>By the way, don't they block whole IP ranges, so when a server connects they block it on IP base no matter DNS service?
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20:55<Guest21921>Seems 2 b same crap with
20:57<priv1>Hibernation doesn't work to me :(
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20:58<Guest21921>priv1: hibernate it with a hammer
20:58<priv1>Guest21921: Sounds like not a good idea
20:59<Guest21921>priv1: depends on
20:59<priv1>Guest21921: Yeah like all, all is depending on all.
21:00<Guest21921>priv1: How do you try to hibernate? Just from kinda logout menu in Gnome?
21:00<Guest21921>priv1: What version of Debian?
21:03<priv1>Guest21921: It's Squeeze. Yeah in the logout menu in LXDE
21:03<Guest21921>priv1: I know that with Gnome in Lenny, it works, to some extent
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21:03<Guest21921>I normally don't use it
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21:04<priv1>Yeah me too, since i recognized it doesnt work
21:05<Guest21921>priv1: I just don't need it. Anyway, to each his own
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21:13<Guest21921>Yo, anyone want to take a look on my little server, before I go away?
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21:16<qxt>What is the current kernel in Sid?
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21:18<Guest21921>qxt: Shall be 3.x
21:19<qxt>I would think so since testing is 3.1.0-1
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21:19*atoz-chevara is away: Silahkan meninggalkan pesan...
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21:24<Guest21921>bye all
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21:32<Guest21928>hi there.
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21:33<priv1>hi Guest21921
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22:46<tux-matt-usb-drive>how can i add ppa data from other websites
22:46<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
22:46<tux-matt-usb-drive>im not running ubuntu
22:47<sney>debian does not use ppas
22:47<sney>so whatever you're trying to do is probably a bad idea
22:47<tux-matt-usb-drive>oo i was trying to add them earler thanks sney
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22:48<tux-matt-usb-drive>how it is a bad idea i was just adding stuff for games
22:48<sney>the software in ppas was built for ubuntu, not debian
22:48<sney>so there are bound to be incompatibilities, dependencies you can't provide, and it could even break your system
22:49<tux-matt-usb-drive>yea it took me 6 hours to install it
22:49<tux-matt-usb-drive>i am running it on a usb drive
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22:52<priv1>oh ubuntu
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23:30<dondelelcaro>jack_thompson: why not just use resolvconf or similar? it's not like it's difficult to manage your nameservers.
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23:56<mou><mou> "Sing it for me, baby!"
23:56<mou><mou> _____ /
23:56<mou><mou> / _/\\ /
23:56<mou><mou> | / oo
23:56<mou><mou> \( _\
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---Logclosed Wed Dec 28 00:00:25 2011